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>>>WELCOME BACK TO “MORNING>>>WELCOME BACK TO “MORNING JOE.” JOE.” 2020 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES 2020 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES PUSH AHEAD FOR THEIR CALLS FOR PUSH AHEAD FOR THEIR CALLS FOR THE IMPEACHMENT OF SUPREME COURT THE IMPEACHMENT OF SUPREME COURT JUSTICE BRETT KAVANAUGH. JUSTICE BRETT KAVANAUGH. SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS HIT THE SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS HIT THE NOMINATION PROCESS AND DOUBLED NOMINATION PROCESS AND DOUBLED DOWN ON INVESTIGATING KAVANAUGH DOWN ON INVESTIGATING KAVANAUGH LAST NIGHT ON MSNBC. LAST NIGHT ON MSNBC.>>IT WAS A SHAM.>>IT WAS A SHAM. WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE PROCESS BY WHICH HE WAS PROCESS BY WHICH HE WAS CONFIRMED HAS CREATED A CRISIS CONFIRMED HAS CREATED A CRISIS OF CONFIDENCE IN THAT COURT. OF CONFIDENCE IN THAT COURT. ONE OF THE WORST THINGS THAT ONE OF THE WORST THINGS THAT HAPPENS IS THAT WHEN WE ARE NOT HAPPENS IS THAT WHEN WE ARE NOT WILLING TO BELIEVE THE VICTIM WILLING TO BELIEVE THE VICTIM AND TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY. AND TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY. TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY, INVESTIGATE TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY, INVESTIGATE THE THE THE CASE. THE CASE.>>BETO O’ROURKE ECHOED A>>BETO O’ROURKE ECHOED A SIMILAR SENTIMENT ALLEGING SIMILAR SENTIMENT ALLEGING KAVANAUGH LIED UNDER OATH. KAVANAUGH LIED UNDER OATH.>>THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVED>>THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVED BETTER AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT BETTER AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT APPEARS AS THOUGH BRETT IT APPEARS AS THOUGH BRETT KAVANAUGH LIED UNDER EETH E OATH KAVANAUGH LIED UNDER EETH E OATH IS A CRIME THINK THERE HE HAS IS A CRIME THINK THERE HE HAS DIS DISQUALIFIED HIMSELF FROM DIS DISQUALIFIED HIMSELF FROM SERVICE ON THE SUPREME COURT. SERVICE ON THE SUPREME COURT. HE SHOULD STEP DOWN OR BE HE SHOULD STEP DOWN OR BE IMPEACHED. IMPEACHED.>>BUT WHILE THE CALLS FROM 2020>>BUT WHILE THE CALLS FROM 2020 DEMOCRATIC HOPEFULS CONTINUE TO DEMOCRATIC HOPEFULS CONTINUE TO COME IN, KEY DEMOCRATS ARE COME IN, KEY DEMOCRATS ARE CAPITOL HILL ARE THROWING COLD CAPITOL HILL ARE THROWING COLD WATER ON THE IDEA. WATER ON THE IDEA. HERE’S JUDICIARY CHAIRMAN JERRY HERE’S JUDICIARY CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER. NADLER.>>THE JURISDICTION THAT WE>>THE JURISDICTION THAT WE WOULD HAVE WITH RESPECT TO A WOULD HAVE WITH RESPECT TO A SITTING SUPREME COURT NOMINEE IS SITTING SUPREME COURT NOMINEE IS DID HE LIE TO THE SENATE? DID HE LIE TO THE SENATE? FRANKLY WE ARE CONCENTRATING OUR FRANKLY WE ARE CONCENTRATING OUR RESOURCES ON DETERMINING WHETHER RESOURCES ON DETERMINING WHETHER TO IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT. TO IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT. WE HAVE OUR HANDS FULL WITH WE HAVE OUR HANDS FULL WITH IMPEACHING THE PRESIDENT RIGHT IMPEACHING THE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW. NOW.>>ON THE SENATE SIDE, MINORITY>>ON THE SENATE SIDE, MINORITY WHIP DICK DURBIN OF ILLINOIS WHIP DICK DURBIN OF ILLINOIS ANSWERED, QUOTE, GET REAL WHEN ANSWERED, QUOTE, GET REAL WHEN ASKED BY “POLITICO” ABOUT THE ASKED BY “POLITICO” ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF IMPEACHING POSSIBILITY OF IMPEACHING KAVANAUGH. KAVANAUGH. DURBIN CONTINUED, WE’VE GOT TO DURBIN CONTINUED, WE’VE GOT TO GET BEYOND THIS IMPEACHMENT IS GET BEYOND THIS IMPEACHMENT IS THE ANSWER TO BE EVERY PROBLEM. THE ANSWER TO BE EVERY PROBLEM. IT’S NOT REALISTIC. IT’S NOT REALISTIC. IF THAT’S HOW WE’RE IDENTIFIED IF THAT’S HOW WE’RE IDENTIFIED IN CONGRESS AS THE IMPEACHMENT IN CONGRESS AS THE IMPEACHMENT CONGRESS, WE RUN THE RISK THAT CONGRESS, WE RUN THE RISK THAT PEOPLE WILL FEEL WE’RE IGNORING PEOPLE WILL FEEL WE’RE IGNORING THE ISSUES THAT MEAN A LOT TO THE ISSUES THAT MEAN A LOT TO THEM AS FAMILIES. THEM AS FAMILIES. ONE OF THE ISSUES MAY BE THUS ONE OF THE ISSUES MAY BE THUS FAR THE INVESTIGATIONS CONDUCTED FAR THE INVESTIGATIONS CONDUCTED HAVE NOT REVEALED ANY HAVE NOT REVEALED ANY CORROBORATING WITNESSES IN ANY CORROBORATING WITNESSES IN ANY OF THE FOUR INSTANCE WHO’S OF THE FOUR INSTANCE WHO’S CONFIRM THE ALLEGATIONS TOOK CONFIRM THE ALLEGATIONS TOOK PLACE. PLACE. JOE, YOU HAVE THIS CONFLICT JOE, YOU HAVE THIS CONFLICT BETWEEN PEOPLE OUT ON THE BETWEEN PEOPLE OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL CALLING FOR THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL CALLING FOR THE IMPEACHMENT OF THE SITTING IMPEACHMENT OF THE SITTING SUPREME COURT JUSTICE AND THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE AND THE PEOPLE WHO SIT ON CAPITOL HILL PEOPLE WHO SIT ON CAPITOL HILL THAT WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT SAYING WE’RE NOT GOING THAT SAYING WE’RE NOT GOING THERE. THERE.>>IT’S ALMOST LIKE THEY’RE>>IT’S ALMOST LIKE THEY’RE BEING “POLITICO,” APPLYING FOR BEING “POLITICO,” APPLYING FOR THE CHEAP SEATS ON THE CAMPAIGN THE CHEAP SEATS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. TRAIL. MIKE, I HEARD KAMALA HARRIS SAY MIKE, I HEARD KAMALA HARRIS SAY WE HAVE TO BELIEVE THE VICTIMS, WE HAVE TO BELIEVE THE VICTIMS, OF COURSE FIRST OF ALL, AS A OF COURSE FIRST OF ALL, AS A PROSECUTOR SHE REALLY SHOULD PUT PROSECUTOR SHE REALLY SHOULD PUT AN ALLEGED IN FRONT OF THE WORD AN ALLEGED IN FRONT OF THE WORD VICTIMS, ESPECIALLY IN THE CASE VICTIMS, ESPECIALLY IN THE CASE IN THE “NEW YORK TIMES” ESSAY, IN THE “NEW YORK TIMES” ESSAY, THE BAFFLING ESSAY, THE BAFFLING THE BAFFLING ESSAY, THE BAFFLING EDITING PROCESS THAT THEY PUT EDITING PROCESS THAT THEY PUT FORWARD. FORWARD. BECAUSE IF YOU BELIEVED THE BECAUSE IF YOU BELIEVED THE ALLEGED VICTIM IN THE ALLEGED ALLEGED VICTIM IN THE ALLEGED INCIDENT, THE ALLEGED VICTIM IN INCIDENT, THE ALLEGED VICTIM IN THE ALLEGED INCIDENT DOESN’T THE ALLEGED INCIDENT DOESN’T EVER REMEMBER THE ALLEGED EVER REMEMBER THE ALLEGED INCIDENT OCCURRING. INCIDENT OCCURRING. SO IF KAMALA HARRIS IS BELIEVING SO IF KAMALA HARRIS IS BELIEVING THE, QUOTE, VICTIM, THE ALLEGED THE, QUOTE, VICTIM, THE ALLEGED VICTIM, THE ALLEGED VICTIM SAYS, VICTIM, THE ALLEGED VICTIM SAYS, I DON’T EVER REMEMBER THAT I DON’T EVER REMEMBER THAT HAPPENING, ACCORDING TO FRIENDS. HAPPENING, ACCORDING TO FRIENDS. SO I’M JUST — AGAIN, FOR A SO I’M JUST — AGAIN, FOR A LAWYER, I’M CONFUSED. LAWYER, I’M CONFUSED. AND BETO SAID HE LIED UNDER AND BETO SAID HE LIED UNDER OATH, OKAY. OATH, OKAY. WHAT SPECIFICALLY DID HE LIE WHAT SPECIFICALLY DID HE LIE ABOUT? ABOUT? AGAIN THERE IS COMING AFTER A AGAIN THERE IS COMING AFTER A “NEW YORK TIMES” ESSAY OVER THIS “NEW YORK TIMES” ESSAY OVER THIS WEEKEND THAT, AGAIN, EVEN THE WEEKEND THAT, AGAIN, EVEN THE MOST LIBERAL OF LIBERALS ARE MOST LIBERAL OF LIBERALS ARE SCRATCHING THEIR HEADS AT HOW SCRATCHING THEIR HEADS AT HOW BADLY “THE NEW YORK TIMES” BADLY “THE NEW YORK TIMES” BOTCHED THAT. BOTCHED THAT.>>YOU KNOW, JOE, THERE ARE>>YOU KNOW, JOE, THERE ARE REALLY ONLY THREE THINGS THAT REALLY ONLY THREE THINGS THAT ARE QUITE CLEAR IN THIS STORY. ARE QUITE CLEAR IN THIS STORY. ONE AS YOU’VE JUST POINTED OUT, ONE AS YOU’VE JUST POINTED OUT, THE ALLEGED VICTIM HAS NO MEMORY THE ALLEGED VICTIM HAS NO MEMORY OF THE ALLEGED CHARGE AGAINST OF THE ALLEGED CHARGE AGAINST JUDGE KAVANAUGH, THEN AN JUDGE KAVANAUGH, THEN AN 18-YEAR-OLD AND 19-YEAR-OLD 18-YEAR-OLD AND 19-YEAR-OLD STUDENT. STUDENT. THE SECOND THING THAT’S PRETTY THE SECOND THING THAT’S PRETTY CLEAR IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS CLEAR IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS CALL FOR IMPEACHMENT OF CALL FOR IMPEACHMENT OF EVERYTHING IS A DRAIN ON THE EVERYTHING IS A DRAIN ON THE DEMOCRATS CAMPAIGNS. DEMOCRATS CAMPAIGNS. AND THIRDLY, ELISE, IT’S PRETTY AND THIRDLY, ELISE, IT’S PRETTY CLEAR, THE THIRD ELEMENT IS THAT CLEAR, THE THIRD ELEMENT IS THAT DICK DURBIN MIGHT BE THE ONLY DICK DURBIN MIGHT BE THE ONLY DEMOCRAT WHO GOES HOME AND DEMOCRAT WHO GOES HOME AND LISTENS TO PEOPLE DURING THE LISTENS TO PEOPLE DURING THE WEEKEND. WEEKEND.>>WOW.>>WOW. I MEAN, IF DEMOCRATS JUST WANT I MEAN, IF DEMOCRATS JUST WANT TO TAKE THAT SLIVER OF TO TAKE THAT SLIVER OF INDEPENDENCE THAT EVERYONE’S INDEPENDENCE THAT EVERYONE’S GOING TO BE FIGHTING OVER IN THE GOING TO BE FIGHTING OVER IN THE NEXT ELECTION, THIS IS THE NEXT ELECTION, THIS IS THE CULTURE WAR THAT THEY NEED TO CULTURE WAR THAT THEY NEED TO PURSUE, THE IMPEACHMENT OF PURSUE, THE IMPEACHMENT OF JUSTICE KAVANAUGH. JUSTICE KAVANAUGH. YOU LOOK AT “THE NEW YORK TIMES” YOU LOOK AT “THE NEW YORK TIMES” OPINION ESSAY THAT CAME OUT OVER OPINION ESSAY THAT CAME OUT OVER THE WEEKEND AND IT’S JUST THE WEEKEND AND IT’S JUST STAGGERING AND CONFUSING THAT IF STAGGERING AND CONFUSING THAT IF A WOMAN IS AN ALLEGED VICTIM AND A WOMAN IS AN ALLEGED VICTIM AND YET SHE SAYS SHE IS NOT A YET SHE SAYS SHE IS NOT A VICTIM, A MAN IS STILL ALLOWED VICTIM, A MAN IS STILL ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON HER BEHALF AS TO HER TO SPEAK ON HER BEHALF AS TO HER SO-CALLED VICTIMHOOD? SO-CALLED VICTIMHOOD? THIS IS ALL JUST MADNESS. THIS IS ALL JUST MADNESS. IT MAKES NO SENSE. IT MAKES NO SENSE. AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE FACTS AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE FACTS AND WHAT ACTUALLY WAS IN THE AND WHAT ACTUALLY WAS IN THE BOOK THAT I FOUND INTERESTING BOOK THAT I FOUND INTERESTING WAS ANOTHER WITNESS WHO WAS WAS ANOTHER WITNESS WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WITH KRISTINE SUPPOSED TO BE WITH KRISTINE BLAZESY FORD DURING THE BLAZESY FORD DURING THE INCIDENT. INCIDENT. THAT WAS ACTUALLY FAR MORE OF A THAT WAS ACTUALLY FAR MORE OF A NEWS PEG IN THE BOOK THAN THIS NEWS PEG IN THE BOOK THAN THIS OTHER POORLY SOURCED — OTHER POORLY SOURCED — ANECDOTE. ANECDOTE.>>EXACTLY.>>EXACTLY. AND THE FBI CLEARLY IT DID NOT AND THE FBI CLEARLY IT DID NOT DO A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. DO A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION.>>SO MORE DETAILS ON THE>>SO MORE DETAILS ON THE FALLOUT OVER THE ESSAY IN THE FALLOUT OVER THE ESSAY IN THE “NEW YORK TIMES” PUBLISHED THAT “NEW YORK TIMES” PUBLISHED THAT IGNITED THIS ENTIRE SITUATION. IGNITED THIS ENTIRE SITUATION. LAST NIGHT THE AUTHORS OF THE LAST NIGHT THE AUTHORS OF THE PIECE TOLD MSNBC’S LAWRENCE PIECE TOLD MSNBC’S LAWRENCE O’DONNELL THAT THE KEY ELEMENT O’DONNELL THAT THE KEY ELEMENT OF THE BOOK’S ACCOUNT THAT, OF THE BOOK’S ACCOUNT THAT, QUOTE, THE FEMALE STUDENT QUOTE, THE FEMALE STUDENT DECLINED TO BE INTERVIEWED AND DECLINED TO BE INTERVIEWED AND FRIENDS SAY SHE DOES NOT RECALL FRIENDS SAY SHE DOES NOT RECALL THE EPISODE WHICH WAS ADDED MORE THE EPISODE WHICH WAS ADDED MORE THAN A DAY LATER TO THE ORIGINAL THAN A DAY LATER TO THE ORIGINAL “NEW YORK TIMES” ARTICLE WAS “NEW YORK TIMES” ARTICLE WAS INCLUDED IN THEIR DRAFT OF THE INCLUDED IN THEIR DRAFT OF THE PIECE. PIECE.>>IN YOUR DRAFT OF THE ARTICLE,>>IN YOUR DRAFT OF THE ARTICLE, DID IT INCLUDE THOSE WORDS THAT DID IT INCLUDE THOSE WORDS THAT HAVE SINCE BEEN ADD TO THE HAVE SINCE BEEN ADD TO THE ARTICLE? ARTICLE?>>IT DID.>>IT DID.>>IT DID.>>IT DID. SO SOMEWHERE IN THE EDITING SO SOMEWHERE IN THE EDITING PROCESS THOSE WORDS WERE PROCESS THOSE WORDS WERE TRUMPED? TRUMPED?>>I THINK WHAT HAPPENED>>I THINK WHAT HAPPENED ACTUALLY WAS THAT WE HAD HER ACTUALLY WAS THAT WE HAD HER NAME AND, YOU KNOW, THE TIMES NAME AND, YOU KNOW, THE TIMES DOESN’T USUALLY INCLUDE THE NAME DOESN’T USUALLY INCLUDE THE NAME OF THE VICTIM. OF THE VICTIM. AND SO I THINK IN THIS CASE THE AND SO I THINK IN THIS CASE THE EDITORS FELT LIKE MAYBE IT WAS EDITORS FELT LIKE MAYBE IT WAS BETTER REMOVE IT. BETTER REMOVE IT. AND IN REMOVING HER NAME THEY AND IN REMOVING HER NAME THEY REMOVED OTHER REFERENCE TO THE REMOVED OTHER REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT SHE DIDN’T REMEMBER FACT THAT SHE DIDN’T REMEMBER IT. IT.>>OKAY.>>OKAY.>>MEANWHILE, VANITY FAIR>>MEANWHILE, VANITY FAIR REPORTS THAT THE AUTHORS OF THE REPORTS THAT THE AUTHORS OF THE ESSAY INITIALLY PITCHED THEIR ESSAY INITIALLY PITCHED THEIR SCOOP TO THE NEWS SIDE BUT TOP SCOOP TO THE NEWS SIDE BUT TOP EDITORS ULTIMATELY FELT THAT EDITORS ULTIMATELY FELT THAT THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH JUICE TO THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH JUICE TO WARRANT A STORY THERE, LET ALONE WARRANT A STORY THERE, LET ALONE A BIG PAGE ONE TREATMENT. A BIG PAGE ONE TREATMENT. INSTEAD THEY WERE TOLD THAT THEY INSTEAD THEY WERE TOLD THAT THEY COULD PITCH THE PAPER SUNDAY COULD PITCH THE PAPER SUNDAY REVIEW SECTION WHICH IS ENTIRELY REVIEW SECTION WHICH IS ENTIRELY INDEPENDENT OF THE NEWS INDEPENDENT OF THE NEWS DEPARTMENT. DEPARTMENT. THE TIMES DECLINED TO COMMENT TO THE TIMES DECLINED TO COMMENT TO VANITY FAIR, BUT DID POINT OUT VANITY FAIR, BUT DID POINT OUT THAT IT’S NOT UNUSUAL FOR THAT IT’S NOT UNUSUAL FOR OPINION OR SUNDAY REVIEW PIECES OPINION OR SUNDAY REVIEW PIECES TO BREAK NEWS. TO BREAK NEWS. LOOK, THERE’S A LOT OF QUESTIONS LOOK, THERE’S A LOT OF QUESTIONS HERE, SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY HERE, SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. AND THAT SHOULDN’T BE AND THAT SHOULDN’T BE INVALIDATED, BUT POLITICALLY, INVALIDATED, BUT POLITICALLY, JOE, IT MAY NOT BE FAIR. JOE, IT MAY NOT BE FAIR. THIS PLAYS RIGHT IN THE TRUMP’S THIS PLAYS RIGHT IN THE TRUMP’S RE-ELECTION IF 2020 DEMOCRATIC RE-ELECTION IF 2020 DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES WANT TO TAKE THIS ON CANDIDATES WANT TO TAKE THIS ON AS AN ISSUE. AS AN ISSUE. JUST IT WON’T WORK. JUST IT WON’T WORK. I DON’T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT. I DON’T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT. IT WON’T WORK. IT WON’T WORK.>>WELL, YOU KNOW –>>WELL, YOU KNOW –>>THIS IS A BAD TOPIC FOR THEM.>>THIS IS A BAD TOPIC FOR THEM.>>YOU ACTUALLY SAID THIS IN THE>>YOU ACTUALLY SAID THIS IN THE LEAD UP TO 2018 FOR THE SENATE LEAD UP TO 2018 FOR THE SENATE CANDIDATES REPEATEDLY. CANDIDATES REPEATEDLY.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>CLAIRE McCASKILL CAME ON>>CLAIRE McCASKILL CAME ON AFTER LOSING AND SAID THAT YOU AFTER LOSING AND SAID THAT YOU WERE EXACTLY RIGHT, THAT SENATE WERE EXACTLY RIGHT, THAT SENATE DEMOCRATS THAT WERE RUNNING FOR DEMOCRATS THAT WERE RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION GOT HURT BECAUSE OF RE-ELECTION GOT HURT BECAUSE OF THAT. THAT.>>PLEASE REMEMBER I SAID THERE>>PLEASE REMEMBER I SAID THERE ARE IMPORTANT MORAL QUESTIONS ARE IMPORTANT MORAL QUESTIONS HERE, THERE ARE IMPORTANT HERE, THERE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS THAT ARE LEGAL, THERE QUESTIONS THAT ARE LEGAL, THERE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS I’M NOT ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS I’M NOT INVALIDATING THAT. INVALIDATING THAT. IT’S NOT GOING TO WORK IT’S NOT GOING TO WORK POLITICALLY. POLITICALLY. IT’S A HORRIBLE CHOICE. IT’S A HORRIBLE CHOICE.>>YOU KEPT TALKING ABOUT DUE>>YOU KEPT TALKING ABOUT DUE PROCESS. PROCESS. THAT’S WHAT YOU KEPT TALKING THAT’S WHAT YOU KEPT TALKING ABOUT. ABOUT. AGAIN, DPEEN, WE AGAIN, DPEEN, WE AGAIN, GENE, WE GO BACK TO A AGAIN, GENE, WE GO BACK TO A CANDIDATE WHO WAS A PROSECUTOR CANDIDATE WHO WAS A PROSECUTOR FOR A LONG TIME TALKING ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME TALKING ABOUT THE VICTIM INSTEAD OF THE THE VICTIM INSTEAD OF THE ALLEGED VICTIM AND THE ALLEGED ALLEGED VICTIM AND THE ALLEGED VICTIM SAYS THIS NEVER HAPPENED. VICTIM SAYS THIS NEVER HAPPENED. IN THE “NEW YORK TIMES,” THAT IN THE “NEW YORK TIMES,” THAT INTERVIEW LAST NIGHT IS EVEN INTERVIEW LAST NIGHT IS EVEN MORE DAXINGMNING FOR SOMEBODY IN MORE DAXINGMNING FOR SOMEBODY IN “NEW YORK TIMES” FOR SOMEBODY “NEW YORK TIMES” FOR SOMEBODY WHO DECIDED TO TAKE OUT THE PART WHO DECIDED TO TAKE OUT THE PART THAT SAID OH, WAIT, A MAN SAID THAT SAID OH, WAIT, A MAN SAID IT HAPPENED BUT THE WOMAN WHO’S IT HAPPENED BUT THE WOMAN WHO’S THE ALLEGED VICTIM SAID, NO, THE ALLEGED VICTIM SAID, NO, I — TOLD HER FRIENDS I DON’T I — TOLD HER FRIENDS I DON’T REMEMBER THAT EVER HAPPENING. REMEMBER THAT EVER HAPPENING.>>WELL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I>>WELL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I WON’T PILE ON “THE NEW YORK WON’T PILE ON “THE NEW YORK TIMES” EDITING PROCESS EXCEPT TO TIMES” EDITING PROCESS EXCEPT TO SAY THAT THEY NEED TO FIND OUT SAY THAT THEY NEED TO FIND OUT WHY THAT HAPPENED AND HOW THAT WHY THAT HAPPENED AND HOW THAT HAPPENED AND THAT ISSUE HAPPENED AND THAT ISSUE SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN MADE AND SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN MADE AND THEY TRIED TO CORRECT IT BUT TOO THEY TRIED TO CORRECT IT BUT TOO LATE. LATE. I MEAN, JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS. I MEAN, JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS. YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THIS YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THIS STORY SHOULD HAVE BEEN STORY SHOULD HAVE BEEN PHRASED — I THINK IT IS A PHRASED — I THINK IT IS A STORY — IS THE SHODDINESS AND STORY — IS THE SHODDINESS AND INCOMPLETENESS OF THE FBI INCOMPLETENESS OF THE FBI INVESTIGATION OF KAVANAUGH. INVESTIGATION OF KAVANAUGH. AND IT IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT AND IT IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO CHARACTERIZE IT AS BASICALLY TO CHARACTERIZE IT AS BASICALLY A SHAM, I THINK IT WAS. A SHAM, I THINK IT WAS. I THINK THEY DIDN’T — THEY I THINK THEY DIDN’T — THEY DIDN’T DO A THOROUGH JOB. DIDN’T DO A THOROUGH JOB. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY DIDN’T — THE FBI DIDN’T TALK TO DIDN’T — THE FBI DIDN’T TALK TO AND SHOULD HAVE TALKED TO BE. AND SHOULD HAVE TALKED TO BE. PEOPLE WERE WILLING TO TALK TO PEOPLE WERE WILLING TO TALK TO THE FBI. THE FBI. NOW, AND I’LL MAKE ONE OTHER NOW, AND I’LL MAKE ONE OTHER POINT, WHICH IS THAT IN CASES OF POINT, WHICH IS THAT IN CASES OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, IF THE WOMAN WHO SEXUAL ASSAULT, IF THE WOMAN WHO IS THE VICTIM, HYPOTHETICALLY, IS THE VICTIM, HYPOTHETICALLY, BUT IN A CASE WHERE THERE IS A BUT IN A CASE WHERE THERE IS A VICTIM, SOMETIMES THE VICTIM VICTIM, SOMETIMES THE VICTIM DOES NOT FULLY RECALL OR RECALL DOES NOT FULLY RECALL OR RECALL AT ALL WHAT HAPPENED. AT ALL WHAT HAPPENED. BUT, I DO BELIEVE THERE USUALLY BUT, I DO BELIEVE THERE USUALLY IS A RECOLLECTION THAT SOMETHING IS A RECOLLECTION THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED. HAPPENED. AND SO IT’S UNCLEAR TO ME FROM AND SO IT’S UNCLEAR TO ME FROM THE PIECE AND FROM THE REPORTING THE PIECE AND FROM THE REPORTING ABOUT THE PIECE WHETHER THIS IS ABOUT THE PIECE WHETHER THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, GEE, NOTHING JUST, YOU KNOW, GEE, NOTHING LIKE THAT EVER HAPPENED OR I’M LIKE THAT EVER HAPPENED OR I’M JUST, YOU KNOW, I’M JUST KIND OF JUST, YOU KNOW, I’M JUST KIND OF NOT SURE. NOT SURE. BUT IT’S NOT UNPRECEDENTED OR BUT IT’S NOT UNPRECEDENTED OR ALL THAT UNUSUAL THAT SOMEONE, ALL THAT UNUSUAL THAT SOMEONE, IF, INDEED, THE VICTIM IF, INDEED, THE VICTIM HYPOTHETICALLY WERE INTOXICATED HYPOTHETICALLY WERE INTOXICATED WOULD NOT NECESSARILY RECALL THE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY RECALL THE ATTACK. ATTACK.>>ALL RIGHT.>>ALL RIGHT. COMING UP, SOURCES TELL NBC NEWS COMING UP, SOURCES TELL NBC NEWS THAT THE ATTACK ON SAUDI OIL THAT THE ATTACK ON SAUDI OIL FACILITIES DID NOT IN FACT FACILITIES DID NOT IN FACT ORIGINATE FROM IRAN. ORIGINATE FROM IRAN. AND THE PRESIDENT IS — IT DID AND THE PRESIDENT IS — IT DID IN FACT, EXCUSE ME, IT DID IN IN FACT, EXCUSE ME, IT DID IN FACT ORIGINATE FROM IRAN. FACT ORIGINATE FROM IRAN. AND THE PRESIDENT IS SIGNALING AND THE PRESIDENT IS SIGNALING THAT HE’S OPENING TO RESPONDING THAT HE’S OPENING TO RESPONDING TO LETHAL FORCE. TO LETHAL FORCE. WE’LL DISCUSS THAT WITH ONE

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  2. The reason Jerry Nadler and his kangaroo court is such a sham is because the president has committed crimes in plain sight. There is nothing that needs to be proved. Impeachment is a political process not a legal one. There isn't even any burden of proof. There is conviction, however, and Democrats don't seem to have it. Hence, the dithering will continue as our version of the Weimar Republic circles the drain.

  3. The Kavanaugh battle is lost, it's sooo stupid to concentrate now on fruitless impeachment proceedings for him, when we obviously need to concentrate on Voldemort-in-Office.

  4. I'm surprised at Morning Joe . They are usually spot on. The victim was unconscious! How could she remember? Harris didn't say the alleged victim should be believed,she said the victim should be taken seriously and the account investigated.

  5. The fact the FBI was told not to complete a thorough investigation of Kavanaugh says all we need to know. Hes guilty of something.

  6. More waist of time and incompetence of the democrats, these ppl are useless! What about bathroom Booker? Kampala? Ya they don’t count right?😆🤣🐑

  7. Joe a true Republican full of half truths. All (ex-)Republicans defending an ultra right wing judge and using half truth and 1/3 of the story to proof their point.

  8. WTF is wrong with Joe, he knows very well that Kavanaugh lied under oath about his alcohol problem. There are at least 4 incidents and 3 victims have spoken out about it. The FBI did not investigate the incidents that were reported to them, incidents that are corroborated by several witnesses including the victim herself.

  9. No, talk about impeachment itself is not harmful, but going through with it and losing the case against McConnells Senate WILL help Trump getting reelected cause then he could repeat his "fully exonerated" lies.

  10. The story I heard was that the victim was unconscious. Passed out from drinking too much. This is why she does not remember the sexual molestation, and all the reports come from witnesses who watched the incident.

  11. I dont think that whatever tRuMp [does or doesn't] do should not matter one dam bit. The problem here is……..tRuMp is the blindfold and therefore you need to take the blindfold off. In laymen terms…..stop bringing tRuMp into every dam move that's made ….and do your fking job!

  12. Again you can’t impeach without a crime or evidence. A justice or president. And you demwits have nothing in either case. How stupid do you have to be.

  13. Short answer: NO.
    Sone may say it will ignite trump's base, threatening the balance of the Supreme Court and legalizing abortion. That's exactly what ot will do for Democrats as well, and we all know when both bases are roused, dems win. Record turnout on both sides of the aisle in 2018, record breaking Blue Wave ensued.

  14. All of the Republicans are working hard to derail the impeachment hearings. It is disgusting the way they are trying to protect Trump. They all know Trump is guilty. They all deserve to lose their seats.

  15. These imbeciles can't decide which Republican to charge with which false allegation. Unfortunately, the American taxpayer finances their delusional investigations. The Democrats, and media will say and do any thing to obstruct the President. They lost the Black vote, Hispanic vote, Women vote, now targeting 18 year olds. I can't make up my mind. Is it MSNBC or the Democrats that are most disgraceful ? Both embarrassing to America, neither to be trusted.

  16. Where's the crime? Even the witness said she didn't remember it. With that in mind and I'm no brilliant open minded liberal but I would say that's gonna make a hard case to win. Much like the impeachment case of the greatest president ever, Da Don.

  17. DUE PROCESS!!!! Due process is basically the golden rule. Treat others how you would like to be treated. Would you like people to be able to destroy you without having to prove their accusations? No, of course not. So we should not do that to anyone else. Kavanaugh has never been proved to have done what he was accused of. In fact, the opposite seems to have been true, according to the vast number of people who were with him in those days.

  18. Following the Constitution does not play into the criminal in chief's hands. He should be impeached, indicted and doing hard time for his crimes. Before he let's the Saudis order us into another war for oil.

  19. The actual accuser has said she has no recollection of anything ever happening – do you people know how effing insane you’ve become ? We’re getting tired of winning

  20. Humm, good question corporate media, thanks… Should we follow the rule of law, and the system of checks and balances enshrined in our Constitution? That's basically what you're asking. Perjury is a criminal offense btw, ya'll should know that.

  21. The fact that they didn't investigate what were legitimate complaints, is why he should be impeached. When the GOP rushed the investigation to 10 days, and then they confirmed him, is the reason why he should be impeached. The fact that the GOP didn't even vote on Garmin's confirmation while Obama was in office, and delayed it for about a year, and yet they rush through Kavanaugh regardless of questionable character, shows the GOP's politicization of the SCOTUS. They didn't even investigate the main accuser, nor another who could corroborate her claims of his character? Hey GOP…come 2020, you will NOT have control of the Senate either, you barely hold a majority, and with 22 seats up for reelection, and some saying they will not seek reelection, beware the Democrats controlling both the House and the Senate. The Senate can then start investigating why he was rushed through, and then seek why the FBI didn't investigate into this further. He can still be impeached, and there are a lot of Independents like myself who are tired of the GOP holding America as a hostage to their traitorous political ploys.

  22. How can this be the impeachment congress when they haven't even impeached anybody? This is more like the, "let's talk about impeachment" congress. Democrats ignoring their own stated principles and just talking about impeachment is what plays into Trump's hands; actually impeaching him will not.

  23. If Kavanaugh committed perjury he should be investigated and indicted. There's no OLC opinion protecting HIS beer-swilling butt.

  24. I'm a black man but it's odious listening to this black gentlemen turn due process on its head. How many people do FBI has to talk to to convince guys like him especially when the witnesses can only provide hearsay. So it doesn't matter if the victim herself can't even remember something like this happening?

  25. Politics or law? Which should prevail? Did Kavanaugh lie or not? Did the FBI investigate thoroughly or not? Did Trump obstruct, tamper, defy and violate emoluments or not? If yes, your oath requires impeachment. If not, drop it. The nation of laws is giving way to political maneuvering and that will be fatal.

  26. Does making decisions based on ratings and what gives us a better chance of "winning", instead of doing your jobs, destroy faith in politics and media? 

    In case your investigative journalism does not unconver the answer, let me help you. The answer is YES.

  27. Crooked corporate Democrats can not or will not protect this nation. Corporate Democrats are oath breaking, lying, deceitful scum. Don't get me started on Republicans.

  28. Morning Joe is hot air: a typical white blowhard that loves the sound of his own voice.
    Mika, good God. Wake up- he thinks you’re his side kick, not equal. You’re way smarter than him.

  29. Come on Joe are you that ignorant? We know it was a sham and you know they didn't even investigate it, you can't find anything without an investigation & the WH telling you to avoid over 25 witnesses.
    I think Joe is definitely still Republican I feel sorry for Mika

  30. A drunken coed at a binge party doesn't remember being assaulted even if there are dozens of witnesses to the crime. Picking on the drunk girl (gang assault) is a thing – you know. There are multiple incidents reported with numerous witnesses – and this entitled jerk skates. AND who called off the FBI in their investigation during the hearings? Lets hear from the witnesses. What does it do the the legitimacy of the highest court in the land when we have strong evidence that some of the justices are perverts and serial assaulters maybe even rapists.

  31. DO Your F#@$$ job democrats. Let the Senate go on record that they voted to keep that immoral crook in office. This will not be forgotten….

  32. Gee, SCOTUS picked our President in 2000, but you think SCOTUS is messed up now? Whatever… But I'm glad we can pick rageaholics for the court now, that's progress.

  33. ZERO corroboration of ANY of Ford’s allegations. ZERO corroboration of alleged Ramirez incident (which Ramirez herself and friends have no memory of occurring). And claims (by self-identified leftists) of an alleged 3rd incident have NOT been corroborated, AT ALL. Hey dems, can we please stop trying to destroy Kavanaugh’s life with baseless accusations and get back to trying to impeach Trump with baseless accusations?

  34. All that matters is that Trump must be defeated, and conclusively enough that his inevitable pushback can only be seen as ridiculous and '16 can be seen as a freak mistake.
    You want campaign talking points? That's the only one you need. Agree on a general policy agenda that no reasonable people could disagree with and then focus on what second-term elections always are – referendums on the incumbent. Don't have to make it an attack – just keep saying to voters "do you really want 4 more years of this?"
    In short, you don't have to win, just make sure you don't lose. Sadly, self-defeat seems to be a Democrat habit, and it's one we can't afford.

  35. Failing to Impeach plays into Trumps hand. Democrats have made serious Charges and have a Duty not Option per their Oath of Office to Impeach.
    "Democrats are Oathbreakers!"
    The rally cry for 2020.

  36. The woman in question has no memory of the event and none of her friends remember her ever talking about it. In addition to this there is recent news about Christine Blassey Ford's own attorney and a friend. Her attorney has admitted ON CAMERA that Ford's allegations were politically motivated and her friend said that she didn't believe Ford and that she was pressured by Ford's attorneys.

  37. If someone witnessed a murder, you don’t ask the “alleged” victim. The victim would not be able to recal because he’s dead. You rely on the witness who saw the murder happen. Come on Morning Joe! In this case, the victim supposedly did not recall because she was drunk. Then, rely on the witness Mr. Stier!

  38. Being called a sexual predator will always be an indelible stain that Justice Kavanaugh will carry for the rest of his life!!! That will be his punishment if he did what they say he did!!!

  39. Why yes…. they will. Perpetual Impeachment talks that bear no fruit will have a derogatory effect on independent voters that will see the democrats as inept and frankly……losers.

  40. Look at these anchors going on and on about due process to defend a man when the investigation into him was heavily curtailed by the white house. Must be less than a week, you can only talk to four people. If you're going to talk about due process, talk about the FBI investigation and why the White House was so keen to shut it down.

  41. …actually the foolish media played right into his hands. NYT left out the bit where the supposed accuser couldn't recall the incident. If this happened to a democrat then they would be completely exonerated by everyone that the media broadcasts to. But we all know that even with real accusations democrats get away with everything.

  42. Can someone please explain to me why they want to impeach kavanaugh? I mean as far as i know, there is no proof that he did anything like what they claim.

  43. This is why People do not vote for Coward Democrats.
    Republicans Roll Back Regulation for Guns, Environmental Protections, Health, Put Children in Cages and get away with it because Weak Useless Democrats are afraid of their own shadow.

  44. Beer swilling Kavanaugh and trump SCOTUS justice patsy is chomping at the bit
    to get his grubby little hands on this Roe v Wade issue. This punk sexual pervert
    can’t wait to serve his master.

  45. They merely could not establish any of his guilt. (One wonders why). As if he was on trial – instead of him demonstrating how much without blemish and how well above any suspicion he was, in order to be deemed eligible for such a presitigious function. AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, instead of him deflecting, obfuscating, not answering questions, and acting indignant like a spoiled brat who feels about to be denied the goodies he felt and feels entitled to (on top of the proven lying under oath). He was applying for a job, or, well, Trump had recommended him for it. Some recommendation. And once again, one wonders why. It was an embarrassing circus, and the entire senate judiciary committee either made it happen (R) or fell for it (D), and much of the US population fell for it too. And so Republicans keep going on, digging themselves in and doubling down -how could they admit and retreat?! Indeed: get real.

  46. Start undoing everything trump has done and help save the country. Why are dems so weak? trump has been systematically dismantling nearly every positive thing Obama accomplished, and their laughing about it. Get some backbone democrats or expect this crap to happen forever…

  47. Who is this Black guy the FBI did their job the people didn't want to put their name on Record what do you want the FBI to go knocking down their door for interview you guys better stop this Nonsense of FBI

  48. Folks make it seem like impeaching Presidents is something that happens all the time with the way they argue about it. This is a time where it is absolutely necessary. Regardless of the Constitution there are behaviors that go too far and are worthy of punishment. If that weren't the case all criminals would be walking free but here we are, watching and listening to people high up argue on behalf of a person who is abusing one of the highest authorities and responsibilities. Why not just release everyone from prisons and jails that are being made an example of for far less. Seriously!

  49. Cavanaugh smear is all a lie. Lying about sexual assault and using to advance political motives takes away from real victims. Shame on sickening Democrats.

  50. I wish the Republicans were so timid and scared to do their jobs (obstructionists). They are not worried how it "looks". Democrats need to stop over thinking and start going on the offense.

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