Media Using Cancel Culture To Smear Bernie


>>There was an opinion piece written over
at Jezebel that caught my attention. The writer is Ashley Reese and I wanna preface
this by saying, she’s not a bad guy, she’s a good guy, okay? She seems to be a Bernie Sanders supporter
and she wants to, at least the feel that I get, encourage Bernie Sanders supporters to
avoid provoking some of the centrist Democrats who have been smearing him and his supporters. And what she references is the Bernie Would’ve
Won line which I think is a completely accurate line. But she thinks that it’s actually causing
more harm than good. So the title of her piece’s The End of Bernie
Would’ve Won. And I wanna give you a few excerpts and then
we can discuss it. Because again, I think she’s well meaning,
but I think that she hasn’t been hit with everything that’s made me super jaded about
about this country and about centrist Democrats specifically.>>By the way, an alternate headline that’s
also online. Is Bernie Would’ve Won is canceled. Okay, that sounds even more obnoxious. But a lot of times the writers don’t write
the headlines just to be fair.>>Right, so let me give you a few excerpts
from Ashley Reese’s article. Out of the anger, the dismay, the fear that
followed November 8, 2016, came a bitter refrain repeated by those who supported Bernie Sanders,
Clinton’s main competitor in the Democratic party, Bernie Would’ve Won. Effectively poured salt on the post-election
wound. Its central argument drew from early stats. Sanders gained more votes than Clinton in
crucial states like Michigan and Wisconsin during the primary, which later turned red
during the general. Additionally, Sanders was considered the anti-establishment
candidate during a year when being anti-establishment was en vogue. Trump ran and won on it, and though he didn’t
get the popular vote, Clinton should have won, his anti-establishment messaging proved
victorious in a slew of swing states. Now, this is where it starts to get maybe
a little shaky where people could disagree.>>Hold on, before we get to that part->>Yeah.>>Let me just both agree and disagree already. So you can tell she’s a good guy because she
gets that there was an anti-establishment vibe. She gets that that’s why Trump won. Already that makes her leagues above all the
mainstream media who have never acknowledged that because it would mean that there’s an
anti-them vibe, right? So she’s correctly deduced that, that was
the driving force. And I don’t disagree with Clinton should’ve
won. We shouldn’t have the Electoral College in
the first place, so it’s not about bitterness at all. In fact, I am bitter at the Electoral College
because she got 3 million more votes and she should have been president. But the part that I disagree with and it’s
really problematic is, just that little phrase she had said in the beginning, effectively
poured salt on a post-election wound. No, that’s not the point. So folks on the other side, in the corporate
Democrats said, you guys you’re being mean. This is really hurtful, you’re trying to pour
salt on the wound. At least from our point of view, and I think
from the overwhelming majority of Bernie Sanders supporters, that’s not the point at all. The point is to say let’s not make that mistake
again.>>Yes, exactly, especially when centrist
emocrats like Joe Biden, are really relying on this message of electability to win the
Democratic nomination. But the fact of the matter is he is certainly
not more electable than someone like Bernie Sanders, because Biden represents more of
what Hillary Clinton represented. In fact, I think he even goes further in talking
about his willingness to work with Republicans. In fact, recently he noted that he would be
open to choosing a Republican as his VP. Disaster, right? So if you think that that makes you more electable,
you’re insane. And so that’s the reason why the Bernie would
have won line gets used so often. Because there are progressive voters in this
country who are hoping that that message gets across. That someone who is progressive, who actually
cares about fixing this rigged economic system is more electable than someone who wants the
status quo.>>Yeah, so my main beef with this piece is
that Ashley is not acknowledging that progressives and the whole country is being gaslit by corporate
Democrats and the mainstream media saying, remember, the establishment candidate, the
so-called moderate centrist candidate, is more electable. But that’s what you told us last time, and
she didn’t win. She’s not president. It’s not about putting salt on the wounds,
it’s that they’re gaslighting us just like they did last time. Look, I will go further. The mainstream media is engaging in a lie,
it’s on a mass scale. They are saying even though it is the most
obviously provable lie, the person you told us who was more likable last time has the
same policies as Joe Biden is the more establishment candidate and she lost. But you turn around and go, nope, nope, nope,
nope, nope, nope. Bernie’s not electable, just like we told
you last time. Populism doesn’t work even though Trump won. Anti-establishment doesn’t work even though
Trump won. No, you shouldn’t believe your lying eyes. You should believe our propaganda. But the establishment candidate is more electable. And they’ve repeated it a million times, a
billion times until it drilled into people’s heads. I was talking to friends and family recently,
and they’re like, I don’t necessarily agree with Biden, but I gotta vote for him. Cuz he’s more electable. God damn it, their propaganda worked. That’s the whole point here.>>Yes, exactly, exactly. So, I’m gonna skip ahead to where she kind
of talks about why she wants to cancel that line, right? The Bernie should have won line. As much as I largely agree with the ethos
behind Bernie would have won, I’m canceling it for 2019. Too many people are losing the plot. A useful identifier like neoliberal has become
so abused that is has become trite, and criticizing milquetoast Democrats for supporting centrists’
policies or policy agendas is now grounds for being called a Russian bot. And then later in the piece she kinda talks
about how well, Bernie has managed to build this diverse coalition. The reputation is that they’re a bunch of
Bernie bros, right? That there isn’t diversity, that it’s a bunch
of white males who are super aggressive on Twitter, and maybe we should move away from
lines like Bernie would have won so the centrist Democrats don’t go after us so hard. But this is my biggest issue with her piece
because, don’t make the mistake that I think a lot of people make. They’re not the good guys. The centrists that go after Bernie Sanders
supporters and smear them and put out propaganda against them and propaganda against Bernie
Sanders, they have no interest in playing fair or speaking the truth. They are ruthless, they play dirty, and they
have no interest in telling the truth. So don’t allow them to frame the discussion. And don’t allow them to influence the way
you behave. Now, obviously, be respectful, be civil, but
I think that making arguments like Bernie would have won are important arguments to
make, especially when it comes to all the misinformation about electability.>>This centerpiece, Ashley is clearly smart
and has the actual facts. That’s why it’s frustrating that I think she’s
accidentally helping the propoganda of the wrong side. So let me explain what I mean by that. She also talked about avoiding the mistakes
of last time, so it’s not like she doesn’t know that. She does and she did put it in the piece,
so that’s important to note. But when she talks about the Sanders’ people,
she says they have a reputation. Well, okay and she says they have a reputation
of being surly white leftist dudes. Then she goes on to say that’s not an accurate
representation of Sanders base. So she knows and acknowledges in the piece,
but so then why did you repeat it?>>She repeated it because she’s trying to
make a point about how, hey, let’s get rid of that reputation. And one way to get rid of that is by avoiding
phrases like, Bernie would’ve won.>>Yeah, and so that gets to the very heart
of this. So the last paragraph she says, there’s too
much work to do to get caught up in the same skirmishes on loop for another three years. No, so those skirmishes are not a sideshow,
are not counterproductive. They’re actually the real battle. I don’t mean like being too vituperative online,
etc. No, I’m talking about, you have to acknowledge
that the corporate media is on the side of the corporate Democrats. And even those words might be offensive to
some, but they are, in fact, the corporate media. They’re all multibillion dollar corporations
who wanna maximize profit including the money they get from money and politics being spent
on ads in their stations, okay? And the access that they get to politicians. Those corporate Democrats are corporate. They do take money from corporations and do
serve their interests. So those folks are the ones that are together,
gaslighting the whole country and telling them remember the Bernie supporters are all
bros and surly white leftist dudes. And something about Bernie Sanders makes me
sick to my stomach even though I don’t know what it is. But I’m gonna do propaganda on the so called
left wing channel of MSNBC. And so Ashley, they’re all doing that in unison
and so then they turn around and go, is it reminds me of, I’ll use an old, old analogy. Rowdy Rowdy Piper in the old WWF. He was a bad guy wrestler. He’d hit somebody over the head with a chair. When they turn around to hit him, he’s go
whoa, whoa, whoa, what, right? And that’s what the media does. They smash us over the head, say, you guys
are just all white males. You’re only the like minorities, all these
slur, smears, etc, right? None of a base, in fact, as Ashley recognizes,
etc. Then when we turn around and go, that’s not
true. Everybody goes, there goes the Bernie Bros. Guys, now, you’re starting the skirmish. Why are you doing this skirmish, we’re on
a loop.>>They’re actually in bad faith.>>Because we’re trying to desperately get
our message out that they’re lying to you, they’re lying to you that populist is more
electable. Independents don’t want corporate politicians
that are Democrats or Republicans. They want someone who is actually gonna fight
for them. That is an honest politician, then that’s
more populist independents inside the election. These are facts and I can back it up with
polling, so why do I raise my voice to try to get past the din of the corporate media
that oppresses us all with their propaganda that is based on lies? Those are facts. So don’t take it out on us when we fight back. We didn’t start the fight. They started the fight. And they did it in 2016 when they said Hillary
Clinton is already leading, she has an overwhelming lead. When they hadn’t done a single vote, they
did it based on super delegates who hadn’t even voted yet and who were part of the corrupt
establishment. They’re doing it this time by saying on a
loop a million times over, Biden is more electable. Biden is more electable, establishment is
more electable, moderate and centrist is more electable, even though it’s empirically incorrect,
right? So just all I’m saying is, don’t bash us for
trying to fight back against this giant machine that is spewing lies and propaganda.>>Right, and the establishment wants to intimidate
you from speaking the truth. Really, that’s at the bottom of all of this. They want to dissuade you from telling the
truth about the candidates, from speaking the truth about what actually happened in
2016, and don’t let them do that. Don’t give them that kind of power.

100 Replies to “Media Using Cancel Culture To Smear Bernie

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  2. I love Anna's "bad faith" line. Lately, I've been using the word disingenuous a lot. Its a very important tool in this time.

  3. you're way too soft she knows what she's doing and especially her editors, centrists are always giving benefits of doubt to republicans compared to progressives, they're enablers to this fascist administration.

  4. In all of the liberal blogs and news sites, it was the Hillary supporters who initiated all of the caustic vitriol and accusations. A lot of the push-back from Bernie supporters was in response to a lot of that flak. Hillary supporters have been accusing Bernie and his supporters of "pulling a Ralph Nader", causing division in the party, throwing chairs, and all sorts of bullshit. Pointing out that Hillary won in states that would never go Blue in the general election was unfair, pointing out that the DNC was putting fingers on the scales was met with laughs of tinfoil hat nuttery, and (after the primary) there was a very heavy attitude of "this is our party, we don't need you" … the centrists and Hillary supporters (and Hillary herself) were the ones who have, and still do, perpetuated a bitter and caustic divisiveness — especially after Hillary's loss and they flailed around for excuses and scapegoats. The revisionist history (and outright lies) of Hillary and her supporters hasn't helped at all, and it's continued to provoke Bernie supporters to defend themselves and the truth.
    In those echo-chambers, those liberal blogs and whatnot, it is still very prominent. Which will give politically involved people, who go to the wrong sites (or visit there without an exposure to the history), a skewed perception of all the caustic political infighting and feelings that still linger.

  5. The "But Bernie would've beat Trump in '16" defense is in response to the "Bernie is not electable" accusation. I don't see a problem here. And, Bernie would've beaten Trump in '16 as indicated in the polls at the time.

  6. ENOUGH WITH THE "BERNIE" BLOWHARDS — THE GUY IS A MEME CANDIDATE AND WILL NEVER, EVER BE PERMITTED TO BECOME PUPPET-IN-KNESSET 👈👈👈

  7. Bernie DID win.🤺🗣(He freak'n WON da democratic nomination) 👈😒the corporate 🤥centrists 🤫Democrats🤑, Hillary's club,🤨 CHEATED. 🗣Cheaters, bad🧐 cheaters at that…‼🤺🤺🤺

  8. How ironic. Progressives helped foster cancel culture and now it's coming back to bite them in the ass. What goes around comes around.

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  10. You lost the argument when you said she works for Jezebel. That place hates men, I dare anyone to link anywhere Jezebel pointed out toxic femininity.

  11. You are right it is all a lie. This country elected a racist and misogynist and I am supposed to believe Bernie can't win? who is the most popular politician.

  12. They will lie, grossly exagerrate, never say when their side is responsible for same ro usually of coarse for far worse BUT WORST OF ALL HIDE SO MUCH FROM VOTERS BEFORE THEY VOTE just like they did here before Geberal Election 2019 in UK to get their Tories in again all for vested interests of thise behind media, corporate inbteerests attached to it and certainly as in UK s sense Id be surproised if it doesnt go on in USA too to get people in that will continue to let them get away with avoidng taxes which wsa main reason for media smearing Corbyn and Lab here and main prob hiding so much form almost all voters before they went tovote all so Tax Avoign Owners of most media cpould get in Tories who wotn tax them, got to encourage most US Voters to not trut a thing form main stream media mainyl tellingt hem abiut all the things they hiude in order to try and lead their vote just for the interests of corrupt f who won media or their corrupt friemds i bet be r surpside if not true in US too for other corporate interests too but bet a lot of it is so they can continue egttign away with avaoiding taxes just like main reason was here for hiding so much from most voteres befire they went to vote

  13. And as others have commented: Yes, you are being anti-establishment cancel culture, so you should probs cut back on trying to claim any sort of high ground. You seem to spend a lot of energy attacking everyone and everything from all parts of the government to all "main stream media"…
    I am starting to wonder why you want people to only trust 'indy news' like yourselves.
    Why do you want to make everyone distrust every piece of the government AND all mainstream media..¿
    Whose messaging are you pedaling, hmmm¿

  14. I agree with tyt in this video. Great job Anna. Also I think it’s very big of Chenk to continue supporting Bernie after Bernie retracted his support for Chenk.

  15. I was one of the disappointed Hillary voters who was irritated at Bernie supporters who said that "Bernie would have won." I doubted that then, but now, I know I was wrong. Bernie would have won, and I misjudged the situation. I was always a Bernie supporter, but I was scared he was "unelectable." Bernie is very electable, if people like me would face the truth: they were wrong. Can't we just admit that and adjust our expectations? It sounds to me like this person who wrote the editorial was still trying to defend her position–that Bernie supporters were the enemy. Give us all a break: corporate Dems and R's are the enemy. Let's keep that straight.

  16. Centrists only fight progressives but roll over for rightwingers hence why we've had all this gerrymandering, had supreme court appointees denied under Obama but confirmed under Trump, had two uncontested elections decided by an archaic election system, had corporations made into persons, had continuous wars with very little protest, and nearly 4 years of Trump while our society has marched closer and closer to fascism. But because they are afraid of "radicalism" and being labeled as such they will hold back progressives if not trip them up out of fear of disharmony. If we let centrists have their way (and we already have too much already) we'll end up in a neo-fascistic oligarchic society more so than we already do now.

  17. Bernie would have campaigned in the Rust Belt.
    Bernie would have won.
    Electability is important, but we can't talk about proof of Bernie's electability from 2016?
    Trump pretended to be like Bernie's campaign against the rigged system and endless wars but Trump won't be able to pull that off head-to-head, especially after accomplishing only tax cuts for the rich and a yuge expansion in defense spending, way more than enough to pay for all public higher ed tuition.
    Bernie's fundraising crushes the other Dems in counties that flipped from Obama to Trump – the places that voted for change in 2008 & 2016. The status quo political and media establishment says all day and night that Bernie can never win, yet there is a lot of evidence that Bernie could win and win big with base turnout, earning the independent vote and bringing in non-voters.

    I believe its clear that Bernie would have won, but let's say it this way from now on…
    Hindsight Is Bernie 2020.

  18. It's a historical counterfactual. We'll never know: just as we'll never know anything like that — would the Republic have fallen if Augustus had never lived? Etc. It's possible he would have won; possible he wouldn't have. As for this article, whatever. I can't stand the centrist Democrats but I'll back anyone against Trump if Sanders doesn't win the nom. I expect centrists — and any decent human being, whatever the party or ideology — to do the same. Fight hard now; unite around whoever it is. There's nothing else to talk about.

  19. I think the establishment is saying that anti-establishment gave us (you, I'm not American) Donald Trump and look what a disaster that has been. Let's get back to normal. Vote Joe.

  20. Sleepy Uncle Joe will get eaten alive by Trump.
    Nominate anyone but Bernie and you get another 4 years of the Cheeto.

  21. We'll quit saying Bernie would have won when Hillary quits blaming Bernie for her loss. Just watch her Howard Stern interview, it's disgusting.

  22. Obama tried civility politics with with Republicans how'd that work out. Nah, Bernie would have won and bullying works. And we all know that civility is only supposed to go one way, Bernie Bros have to behave while centrist DNC slugs get to remain vile and toxic.

  23. Hey TYT! You guys have to check out the coverage on the Bernie camp that was on Anderson 360 on the 27th of December. I just got around to listening to the podcast version this morning, and there's a good chunk of the show where they are talking about the Bernie campaign gaining support. They know he's a force to be reckoned with!

  24. Also, while you're right that the media does this to Bernie supporters, this is what you do to everyone else. Slur them as racists and bros and fools, then act surprised when people react.

  25. My Parents (age 75) didn't vote for Bernie partially because they liked Clinton a lot and thought she was well qualified.

    They didn't vote for Bernie partially because they thought Bernie like McGovern 1972 couldn't win,

    They are more liberal then Clinton, but think a Democratic Fighter is important, and were disappointed with Obama because he didn't fight enough, and Democrats in congress didn't support Obama enough. They thought Clinton would be Tough and fight the Republicans.

    An argument like Bernie would have won, didn't work on my parents, but I explained my views and they understand it. Good well meaning people are Democrats, and my parents being well off middle class professionals are not political junkies and will support the democratic mainstream candidate because that is who they feel comfortable with. Be positive with your support of candidates, when approaching voters you don't know. I am not Voting for Bernie because I was voting against Biden. I am voting for Bernie, For Bernie! and I am excited about it.

  26. White People shouldn’t vote for Bernie.Warren is a better choice for White Values. Hillary will wrangle the
    Black vote from Bernie when she steals the Nomination.Hispanics and Half White Blacks will jump to
    Trump because they are doing better under a Republican Patriarch.

  27. The problem as I see it is that no person who has self-proclaimed himself/herself as a “liberal” or a “socialist” as ever won a national Presidential election in the USA. Hubert Humphrey, George McGovern, Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis, Howard Dean, and yes, Bernie Sanders come to mind. Many of these guys were
    not only beaten, they were absolutely crushed in the national election. Unless and until, somebody can change this basic fact of “liberal means loser,” then this narrative of the main stream media will continue unabated. Trump, the GOP, corporate Dems, and the mainstream media will relentlessly brand this “Liberal is loser” narrative into the electorate. Liberals: you must break through and actually win the damn thing, not merely come close. Close only counts in horseshoes. “Just win baby.”

  28. The MSM and neoliberals just don't get it. There are some who SHOULD be offended. Republicans don't give a s**t about what Democrats think and they keep winning elections!

  29. Saying Bernie would have won doesn't help anything, and it doesn't f**** matter. It's over. Move on with life. Or keep rehashing it and maybe Hillary will get into the race. Worried about this election people please this election the last one is over Let It Go Al Gore won too but who f**** cares

  30. Let's cancel whining and demanding things be canceled. Cancel culture is the beginning of fascism you whiny morons that support it.

  31. Sounds to me like maybe we should dump centrist dems because they are more aligned with Republicans than they are with FDRs original platform and now Bernies

  32. Is it weird to listen to a MULTI millionaire condemn millionaires and somehow gather millions of supporters. His answer “ well if you write a best selling book you can be a millionaire too”. You sure can!!! UNDER CAPITALISM!!!!! 🤣

  33. Suck it up Reese…"Bernie would have won", is simply the truth. The oligarchs do not care if Biden loses, Trumpet is one of them and their lives just gets better under his leadership. There is only one party and it's the corporate party. Bernie is not in their murder of crows, so anyone but Bernie is just fine with them. All the oligarchs, are as awful, and likely worse than Trumpet…wake up America.

  34. trumps victory poured salt on the wound for bernie supporters who were cheated out of the preferred candidate by the dnc. Bernie would have won and the world would have been better for it.

  35. The super aggressive white males are supporting trump. Theyre also the ones marching in the street with torches and chanting hate slogans at synagogues.

  36. The Electoral College isn't really to blame. Rather the 'Winner Take All' policy of nearly every state is the issue. If Electors were pledged proportionally then we wouldn't have such disagreement between the Electoral College and Popular vote.

  37. Who started cancel culture???? Far leftists! Such as the subs to this channel! OMG how good does the shit taste once it’s shoveled back in ya face ya bitches???😂😂😂😂🖕🏼😂

  38. If Biden wins the general election, Trump (or another republican) will be in the white house until 2024. "Hear me now, quote me later" as they say.

  39. Ana, tell her that the truth is always correct. The truth is that on election day 2016, in a poll taken that day, Bernie beat orange boy by 12 points!

  40. When Bernie wins, let's vote to get rid of the electoral college. That is just in the way of the REAL majority popularity votes. Bernie2020. Popularity is the real amount. Not the cult amount

  41. 4:40 I'll go even easier, the mainstream media is engaging in CLASS WARFARE while at the same time trying to cancel and denigrate progressive and anti-establishment voices for engaging in class warfare. Hypocrisy 101.

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  43. yes, centrists have always been on the side of the right, all you have to is read the history of the left, since the very beginning.

    a famous leftist* back in the 19th century said "the revolutionaries of today are the conservatives of tomorrow" and I wanna turn that phrase to say, "the centrists of today are the far left of tomorrow" because due to the center supporting "both positions" the right always wins shifting the political spectrum to the right.

  44. Check the entire clip where Joe Biden said more. I don't like him, but I think we should research such statements to make sure what has been publicized is fsctual. Enjoy your videos.

  45. Weird how we're told to not provoke people who hate us. When will they live by the same rules they want us to follow? "Don't say 'Bernie would have won' say smearers".

  46. Republican propoganda are now comparing Bernie Sanders to the Ayotollah Khomeni of Iran to scare women. Report it everytime you see it.

  47. I love Jezebel, but I have never read a positive article from them about Bernie. Ever. Jezebel commenters appear to mainly consist of Hillary-loving democrats, which is exhausting. Bernie beat Trump by 10 points on election day 2016. That is a fact. corporate democrats can cry a river over it. But it's still a fact.

  48. History will not look kindly on the identity politics and societal censorship that happened during the 2010s. Here's to a Bernie presidency.

  49. Translation: The 'Bernie Would Have Won' line makes them butthurt because they know it's true, and they don't want to be reminded.

  50. Three words Bernie 20/20 it's that easyI also think at least have now it might be best that Bernie didn't get the nomination in 2016 because now boerne can f**** scream at Trump and all the lies you dispute about better than Obamacare better than the greatest thing that ever was the greatest thing ever

  51. Hey Republicans isn't it weird that the greatest champion of rebuilding our nation is a socialist named Bernie Sanders he says forget the border wall I want better interstates better Bridges better schools to get us off of fossil fuels when has Trump said that oh yeah he did it in like 2016 to get elected and then said oops I didn't mean it cuz I was hearing at the time and now I'm not hearing any more

  52. Self selective outrage machine.
    Can you imagine such a lazy organisation which finds things that criticise their candidate.
    Take the worst spin possible. It's just lazy

  53. White People shouldn’t vote for Bernie.Warren is a better choice for White Values.Blacks are going to be very disappointed when anything came of the money they threw at Bernie because he just can’t convince White People that his commie nonsense is legitimate.

  54. Cenk, seriously bud, I need you to work on not fillibustering over Ana this year. I feel you on the rants but it's a bad look and it's something you gotta work on. Otherwise, Cenk For US Congress 2020.

  55. Hillary beating Bernie was the worst thing for America. Trump beating Hillary was the best thing for America. If Hillary had won, we wouldn’t be looking at a highly possible Bernie presidency.

  56. 0:05 notice how Ana subliminally thinks she gets to decide who's good and who's bad for her viewers 🤣 oh man. She is the narcissistic gift that keeps on giving the whole year round.

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