Political Action Committees in New Mexico Politics | The Line


>>TWO DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR
SENATE LOOKING TO REPLACE SENATOR TOM UDALL IN 2020
ANNOUNCED LAST WEEK, THEY WOULD NOT ACCEPT ANY POLITICAL
CORPORATE ACTION COMMITTEE OR PAC MONEY FOR THEIR CAMPAIGNS. ON APRIL 28, SECRETARY OF STATE,
MAGGIE TOULOUSE OLIVER ANNOUNCED SHE WOULD STAND WITH THE PEOPLE
AND, QUOTE, NOT TAKE BIG MONEY FROM CORPORATIONS. LAST WEEK, REPRESENTATIVE AND
SENATE HOPEFUL BEN RAY LUJAN EXPRESSED A SIMILAR SENTIMENT
SAYING HIS CAMPAIGN WOULD BE, QUOTE, RUN ON NEW MEXICAN VALUES
BUILT BY THE PEOPLE NOT CORPORATIONS. JANICE, REJECTING CORPORATE PAC
MONEY SEEMS TO BE A NATIONAL TREND NOT JUST A LOCAL TREND OF
THINGS TO DO. BUT I AM CURIOUS FROM YOUR SIDE
OF THE AISLE, DOES THIS MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU WHEN YOU SEE
CANDIDATES NOT TAKING PAC MONEY OR PLEDGING NOT TO TAKE PAC
MONEY.>>LET ME BE POLITE. I THINK THIS IS RUDE. CORPORATE PAC MONEY PLAYS SUCH A
SMALL ROLE, SUCH A SMALL ROLE ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME,
ESPECIALLY THE MEDICAL PACS ARE QUITE LARGE, AND I DON’T SEE
ANYBODY WALKING AWAY FROM THOSE, BUT IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS A
CORPORATE PAC IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT THE ISSUE. IT IS OTHER SUPER PACS AND YOU
NEED TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THEM. SO, YOU CAN LOOK OVER HERE BUT
THE PROBLEM IS TRULY OVER HERE.>>INTERESTING. THAT MAKES ME — YOU SENT US ALL
AN INTERESTING ARTICLE FROM 2012 NEW YORKER WHERE JEFFREY TALKED
AT LENGTH ABOUT THE BEGINNINGS AND HOW, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING
JUST CAME ABOUT WITH THIS SITUATION, BUT YOU FEEL THERE IS
A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING OUT THERE WHEN IT COMES TO PACS.>>WELL THE IDEA OF THE
POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE, SUPER PAC, IT IS ENTITIES AND A
SIMPLE ENTITY. YOU GO TO THE FEC WEBSITE,
FEC.GOV, BECAUSE OF THE FEDERAL LAW IT IS AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE. IT ISN’T JUST AN EVIL THING. EVERYBODY VOTES IS SET UP AS A
FEDERAL SUPER PAC AND YOU KNOW STEVEN COLBERT SET UP A FEDERAL
SUPER PAC, RAISED 475,000, AND I HINK WHAT WE HAVE DONE, YOU
HEAR, LIKE ON MY SIDE OF THE AISLE, YOU HEAR PEOPLE SAY
FEDERAL SUPER PAC, OH MY GOD, IT IS LIKE DARTH VADER HAS ARRIVED
BUT THE ENTITY CAN BE USED FOR GOOD AS MUCH AS EVIL. THE SUPREME COURT DECIDED, IT IS
NOT GOING ANYWHERE IT IS HERE. WE ARE NOT GETTING RID OF IT AND
WE SHOULD TAKE THE ENTITY, USE IT FOR GOOD AS MUCH AS WE USE
IT.>>SUPER PAC IS NOT THE SAME AS
A CORPORATE PAC. THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT
ENTITIES.>>ON THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU SAY
THE CORPORATE PAC, FEDERAL SUPER PAC OR THE $25 DONATION TO
BERNIE SANDERS THAT RAISES 250 MILLION, ALL OF IT IS THE
SAME THING. IT IS MONEY, RIGHT? WHERE IT COMES FROM — I MEAN,
MOST PEOPLE SAY, I AM A PAC. MOST PEOPLE, EXCEPT PEOPLE LIKE
US WHO ARE NERDS, HAVE NO IDEA WHO THAT IS, BUT THEY ARE MORE
THAN HAPPY TO SEND $25 INTO WHATEVER —
>>WE DON’T HAVE ONE.>>I AM NOT SURPRISED.>>IT IS CALLED BANK OF AMERICA.>>SO, THE IDEA THAT WE SHOULD
SUPER PAC IS EVIL, I THINK IT IS INCORRECT. IT IS AN ENTITY ALSO USED FOR
GOOD AND SHOULD BE.>>DON’T YOU THINK THE
IMPLICATION OF A CORPORATE PAC SAYS THAT BUSINESS IS BAD AND IT
IS REALLY THEY ARE VERY SIMILAR, BUT HERE WE ARE CARVING OUT THAT
WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE CORPORATE PAC MONEY.>>DON’T THINK SO. I THINK IT IS A DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, REALLY. YOU DON’T HEAR — THIS WEEK WE
HEARD THAT THE REPUBLICANS IN THAT RACE SAY I AM NOT DOING
ANYTHING LIKE THAT, NOT MAKING ANY PLEDGES BUT ON THE
DEMOCRATIC SIDE, YOU DO HAVE TO SAY THAT BECAUSE THERE IS A BIG
CONVERSATION AMONG DEMOCRATS ABOUT THE EFFECT OF CORPORATE
MONEY ON OUR ELECTIONS. NOW, THE SUPER PAC ISSUE IS
THERE AS WELL BUT IT DOESN’T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT BUSINESS
IS BAD. IT MEANS THE CANDIDATES ARE
TRYING TO COMMUNICATE. I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE MY
DECISION SOLELY ON THE BASES OR AT ALL ON THE BASIS OF WHICH
CORPORATION GAVE ME A BIG CHUNK OF CHANGE. I AM GOING TO MAKE MY DECISIONS
BASED ON WHAT I BELIEVE IS BEST FOR THE CONSTITUENTS. THAT IS THE MESSAGE. IS IT GOING TO BE LIKE THAT AT
THE END OF THE DAY? I DON’T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL BUT
AT THIS POINT FOR DEMOCRATS, IT IS A BOX YOU HAVE TO CHECK AND
IF YOU DON’T CHECK IT, YOU IMMEDIATELY LOOK LIKE, WELL,
ACTUALLY YOU’RE A REPUBLICAN.>>THAT IS A BIG PART OF WHAT IS
GOING ON HERE AND ON THAT NOTE, MAGGIE TOULOUSE OLIVER WAS
MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS SEGMENT. SHE DIDN’T MISS A TRICK AND
CALLED OUT BEN RAY LUJAN AND SAID, YOU HAVE TAKEN 180,000
FROM BIG CORPORATIONS PRIOR TO THIS, WILL YOU GIVE THE MONEY
BACK? TO SOPHIE’S POINT, THIS IS
GETTING COMPLICATED ALREADY. WHO IS THE MORE PURE HERE?>>RIGHT. NOT TO BE A POLITICAL CYNIC, OF
COURSE, BUT, I THINK SOPHIE IS RIGHT THAT ONCE MAGGIE TOULOUSE
OLIVER HAD TAKEN THAT CONVERSATION, LUJAN WAS SMART. TO TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE AND SAY
HE WOULDN’T ACCEPT THEM EITHER. BOTH THESE CANDIDATES HAVE TAKEN
IN THE PAST MONEY FROM CORPORATIONS. IT’S NOT LIKE THEY ARE RUNNING
$5 CAMPAIGNS FOR AN OPEN U.S. SENATE SEATS. THERE IS BIG MONEY POURED IN THE
RACE.>>15 MILLION, BIG OUTSIDE
MONEY, UNM MONEY.>>I ALSO THINK ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE IS IF THEY ARE TALKING
ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TAKING MONEY FROM, THEY ARE NOT TALKING
ABOUT THE ISSUE, THIS IS THE IDEA OF I AM GOING TO SPEND MY
TIME TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM AND WHERE
IT IS NOT COMING FROM. WHO CARES. TELL US HOW YOU’RE GOING TO MAKE
AN ECONOMY THAT WORKS, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HELP RURAL NEW
MEXICO? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? IT IS A DODGE AND RATHER THAN
TALKING ISSUES WE TALK PROCESS WHERE I AM GETTING MONEY FROM. WHO CARES, JUST TALK ABOUT THE
ISSUES.>>JANICE, LET ME POINT
SOMETHING ELSE OUT. PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED BY
CLARKSON, HE MADE AN INTERESTING POINT IN HIS QUOTE HERE SAYING
ABOUT BEN RAY NOT TAKING ALL THIS MONEY, WHAT ABOUT PERSONAL
DONATIONS FROM MIDDLE MANAGEMENT AND CORPORATIONS THAT HAVE PACS? THAT IS AN INTERESTING POINT, I
THINK HE IS ON TO SOMETHING THERE.>>I THINK SO, TOO. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FOR
BEN RAY IN THE LAST ELECTION, HE TOOK 181,000 FROM CASINOS. NOT JUST A PAC BUT FROM CASINOS
AND ANOTHER 172,000 FROM HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS. AND I THINK THAT REALLY
TRANSLATE INTO HIS AGENDA IN CONGRESS. WE CAN DEBATE THAT ALL ALONG BUT
I DO THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT AND SO I WOULD ADVOCATE, AS WE TALK
ABOUT CHANGING, WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO REMOVE CITIZENS
UNITED BUT WE TRIED EVERYTHING. MAYBE IT IS TIME TO SAY, IF YOU
WANT TO GIVE MONEY, YOU PUT YOUR NAME ON IT, YOU DON’T PUT IT
WITH ANYBODY ELSE, YOU REPORT IT OR YOU DON’T GIVE IT.>>PICK UP ON THAT, THAT IDEA
WHERE MR. CLARKSON IS COMING
FROM, ABOUT, IF YOU CAN WRITE A BIG CHECK — LET ME BACK UP.>>RIGHT, WELL NOT SO MUCH THAT
BUT ABOUT INFLUENCE. YOU KNOW. DOES IT MATTER IF IT COMES FROM
THIS DIRECTION OR AN EXECUTIVE WRITES THE CHECK FROM THIS
DIRECTION. IT IS ALL INFLUENCE AT THE END
OF THE DAY.>>YOU KNOW, I SUPPOSE SO. I THINK THAT THE BIGGER
CHALLENGE AT THIS POINT IS, AND YOU KNOW, WE HEARD JUST A LITTLE
ABOUT IT, IT TAKES SO MUCH MONEY TO RUN A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN AT
THIS POINT, TO BE A VIABLE CANDIDATE, I MEAN WE ARE HEARING
THIS BACK AND FORTH DURING THE PRIMARIES, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER
WINS IN THE PRIMARY HAS TO PUT ON A MAJOR CAMPAIGN AND THEY
NEED TO GET MONEY FROM WHEREVER THEY CAN GET IT.
AND THIS SIGNALING EARLY ON MAY HELP GET YOU THROUGH THE
PRIMARIES BUT AT SOME POINT, THERE IS SOME MAJOR FUND RAISING
AND WE AS — WE HAVEN’T ADDRESSED THE HUGE BURDEN THAT
PLACES ON OUR DEMOCRACY. THE FACT THAT OUR CONGRESS
PEOPLE, OUR SENATORS ARE FUNDRAISING CONSTANTLY
THROUGHOUT THE TIME THEY ARE IN OFFICE AND THE FACT THAT IT
BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT TO TURN AWAY MONEY AND WE SEE
CANDIDATES, NOT THESE CANDIDATES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW, BUT WE
SEE CANDIDATE WHO REALLY STRUGGLE WITH, DO I HAVE TO GIVE
MONEY BACK BECAUSE NOW SOMEBODY WHO SEEMED ACCEPTABLE DOESN’T
ANYMORE, AND IT IS A REALLY COMPLEX ISSUE THAT DOES TAKE OUR
POLITICIANS AWAY FROM WHAT THEY ACTUALLY WANT THEM TO BE DOING.>>THE IDEA HAS BEEN FLOATED OUT
THERE, CAPS, JANICE’S POINT ABOUT PUTTING YOUR NAME ON IT. THERE IS NO ONE SILVER BULLET,
EITHER LOCALLY OR NATIONALLY. LOCALLY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
BECAUSE YOUR POINT EARLIER, IT TAKES A LOT OF MONEY TO GET THIS
DONE ON THE STATE-WIDE RACE.>>RIGHT. THERE ARE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS
AND YOU KNOW IN A WAY YOU COULD SAY THAT HAS BEEN UNDONE BY
CITIZENS UNITED AND GIVEN MORE POWER TO BE SUPER PACS WHO
AREN’T LIMITED IN WHAT THEY CAN SPEND. A CANDIDATE CAN ONLY ACCEPT A
CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM ORDINARY CITIZENS BUT THESE
OUTSIDE PACKS CAN COME IN.>>THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT
OF — MAYBE I AM A LITTLE PARANOID — BUT THERE IS A
CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, LIKE, THERE IS THIS KIND OF, IF I TAKE
PUBLIC MONEY WILL THE PAC BE THERE. THAT KIND OF CALCULATION THAT
GOES ON.>>JUST TO BE CLEAR, TOO, SO, IF
YOU READ THE NEW YORKER ARTICLE, IF YOU’RE A SUPER PAC MONEY,
UNLIMITED WAS THE NAME OF IT, YOU CAN GIVE UNLIMITED MONEY TO
THESE SUPER PACS. THERE IS NO CAP. IF YOU HAVE TEN BILLION. CALL ME. BUT, YOU CAN GIVE 10 BILLION. THERE IS NO LIMIT.>>IF THAT SUPER PAC WANTS TO
PUMP 10 BILLION DOLLARS INTO A PARTICULAR RACE, THEY COULD DO
IT, THEY ARE JUST NOT SUPPOSED TO COORDINATE.>>JUST TO BE CLEAR, ONE OTHER
THING TO REMEMBER, MID TERMS PASSED IN NOVEMBER OF 2018,
5.2 BILLION WAS OVERALL CAMPAIGN SPENDING, FOR ALL THE RACES
NATIONWIDE. THAT IS QUITE A BIT OF MONEY, I
THINK. FOR THE ECONOMY POSSIBLY IF
YOU’RE A POLITICAL CONSULTANT BUT THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY. I AM NOT SURE WE GOT A GOOD BANG
FOR YOUR BUCK.>>I THINK A BIGGER POINT IS FOR
OUR FEDERAL RACES, 68% ARE OUT OF STATE AND MOST ARE PAC MONEY
AND WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT NEW MEXICANS? THAT WE ARE A CHEAP DATE? EASY BUY? I DON’T LIKE THAT. AND I THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE
THAT CONVERSATION.>>OUT OF TIME ON THAT ISSUE,
BUT WHEN THE LINE COMES BACK WE DISCUSS NEW DEVELOPMENTS FOR
SPACEPORT AMERICA.

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