In the Bahamas, ‘slow’ government response leaves residents turning to strangers for help


JUDY WOODRUFF: Hurricane Dorian is sweeping
up the United States’ Eastern Seaboard tonight after adding its list of victims. The storm is now blamed for at least six deaths
in the U.S. and 30 in the Bahamas. And it doled out surprising damage today along
North Carolina’s outer banks. John Yang is in Nassau, where he watched the
hurricane’s progress. JOHN YANG: Dorian roared ashore at Cape Hatteras,
North Carolina, this morning, its first landfall in the United States after devastating the
Bahamas days before. Sustained winds had dropped to 90 miles an
hour, just half what they had once been. But Governor Roy Cooper warned those in the
hurricane’s path to remain on high alert. GOV. ROY COOPER (D-NC): The danger right now is
the rising storm surge of four to seven feet and flash floods as the hurricane churns along
the coast. JOHN YANG: One area of greatest concern? Ocracoke Island, about 40 miles southwest
of Cape Hatteras. The low-lying 16-mile-long barrier island
was quickly inundated. Rising water trapped hundreds of people who
chose not to evacuate. GOV. ROY COOPER (D-NC): Communications experts,
law enforcement and a medical strike team had been transported there. And a search-and-rescue team is on the way. We estimate about 800 people remained on the
island during the storm. And I have heard reports from residents who
say the flooding there was catastrophic. JOHN YANG: More than 330,000 homes and businesses
across the Carolinas and Southeastern Virginia lost power. Virginia Beach saw strong winds and large
crashing waves along the shoreline. Heavy rain triggered flash flooding. Farther south, cleanup efforts were under
way in Charleston, South Carolina. Residents took down plywood from store windows
as crews cleared away downed branches under sunny skies. But in the battered Northern Bahamas, massive
piles of debris as far as the eye can see. Hundreds of people on Abaco Island gathered
today at the damaged airport, desperately hoping to escape to Nassau. SABRINA RALLE, Abaco Resident: We have no
power, no water, and it’s bad. Everything, we have lost. Everything is damaged. GEE ROLLE, Abaco Resident: It’s chaos here,
and the place is uninhabitable. Nobody can live here. So, we’re trying to get out, and they only
have limited ways of getting out here. JOHN YANG: Small planes were able to evacuate
some, including the elderly and the sick, a few at a time. For those unable to leave, aid groups were
starting to arrive to arrive to assess how to meet their needs. Tom Cotter is director of emergency response
and preparedness for the global relief organization Project HOPE. TOM COTTER, Project HOPE: This is the real
deal. There is no searching for the disaster. The disaster is very apparent. Every street is affected. Every person is affected. This is an incredibly dire and severe situation. JOHN YANG: Cotter described the extreme challenges
he and his team encountered. TOM COTTER: It’s really hard to get to an
island, and it’s really hard to get to an island with an airstrip that has been heavily
damaged and is limited in what kind of planes it can get. All we want to do is get supplies and responders
on the island. And we have to do it a small bit at a time,
instead of the large quantities that we would see if it was easier to get in. And it’s all because of the storm that the
access is limited. JOHN YANG: The U.S. Coast Guard has also been
helping. Guardsmen returning from a mission today spoke
of traumatic cases. CHAD WATSON, U.S. Coast Guard: Injuries to
the head by flying debris. People were crushed by cars, by buildings,
multiple fractures to legs, any limbs, anything. It just — it was bad. JOHN YANG: And for all of the survivors, the
emotional toll looms large. Tom Cotter of Project HOPE: TOM COTTER: The mental trauma of this, it’s
as severe and it’s as important to address as the physical trauma that people might have
experienced. Everybody knows somebody who’s been really
affected by this storm. And, again, with communications down, a lot
of people don’t know if their loved ones are alive or not alive. JOHN YANG: And for some, Dorian is still a
threat in the making. Warnings and watches have now been posted
from Delaware to Nova Scotia, Canada as the hurricane drives Northeast. Here on the edge of the Nassau Airport, these
two big air-conditioned tents being set up as a transition center for evacuees from Grand
Bahama Island and Abaco. This is not a government operation. This is being done by private citizens, local
charities, local civic groups and NGOs. Inside are clean clothes if people need them,
food and water if they need them, baby supplies if they need them, cushions to lie on, all
the things, in short, that the people we talked to earlier today outside the government evacuation
center in Nassau say they wish they had there. Most importantly, according to the people
we talked to outside the government center, inside are people for people to help them
find places to live in case they don’t have friends or families here in Nassau. They’re reaching out to real estate agents
who rent out vacation homes here, to hotels who have empty rooms, to anyone who might
have a space to offer. JUDY WOODRUFF: And so, John, what about those
people you spoke with who had been in the government shelter? What did they say it’s like there? How is it? JOHN YANG: It’s a big sports arena. We weren’t allowed to go in, but we talked
to people as they came out. It’s a big sports arena. They say people are just lying on the floor
of the arena. We spoke to one woman, Divinia Bethel, who
is a business consultant who lost her home on Abaco. She was actually able to spend one night in
Nassau with some friends, but they could only host her for that one night, so she went to
the shelter to look for help. There was no help to be found, she said. They said that the social services, people
from the government told her she had to go to an office some distance away to try to
find housing. So there’s a lot of frustration over there
about the lack of assistance. JUDY WOODRUFF: And, John, you have also — we
know you have been talking to people who have been literally trying to get on private charter
planes to get to one of the other islands where their family members, loved ones are. JOHN YANG: That’s right. Again, private efforts where the government
seems to be a little slow. Most of these people, especially here who
are being evacuated from Abaco especially, are just people who fly — get flown in — flown
off the island, rather, on private planes, eight-seat planes, 18-seat planes. These are planes that are either chartered
by people at about a cost of about $2,400 round-trip, or private plane pilots themselves
fly over land and just say, get on board, I will take you to Nassau. I asked if that’s how Divinia Bethel got out. I asked her, did you know the man, did you
know anybody on that plane? She said, no, but it was a plane — a seat
on a plane off of Abaco, and so she took it. JUDY WOODRUFF: And, John, maybe in connection
with that, you told us earlier today you have really been struck by the closeness of this
community in the Bahamas. JOHN YANG: It is. It’s amazing. You walk around, and everybody knows somebody,
has family, has some connection, has friends on either Grand Bahama or Abaco. You know, I have been saying in my reports
that Nassau has been relatively unaffected, and that’s largely true. The damage here is very little. There is some flooding. JUDY WOODRUFF: And just quickly, John, I heard
someone that we heard, the challenges that Tom Cotter of Project HOPE is facing. We know there’s some video that showed the
sheer devastation people are dealing with. JOHN YANG: It is. It’s amazing to look at those pictures. I have covered mostly tornadoes. I have never covered a lot of hurricanes. And I’m used to seeing the pictures we’re
seeing from Abaco at tornadoes, houses splintered, just flattened, big pieces of equipment, in
this case big yachts, big boats, picked up and moved, resting against buildings. But in tornadoes, it’s a relatively narrow
area. It’s the path of the tornado, which can be
— pick and choose. You have a house devastated on one side of
the street and left standing untouched on the other side. But these pictures from Abaco, it is huge
areas, fields just leveled. As Tom Cotter said in the tape piece, he’s
seen a lot of disasters in his work, but this, he said he’s seen nothing like this. JUDY WOODRUFF: John Yang, reporting for us
from Nassau in the Bahamas, John, thank you so much.

Trump Lies About the Bahamas, Explains Bolton Firing: A Closer Look


-The President is lying
about refugees as he and his ex-national
security adviser, John Bolton, argue over whether Bolton quit
or was fired. For more on this,
it’s time for “A Closer Look.” [ Cheers and applause ] ♪♪ As we’ve established before,
Trump’s entire political career has been built
on racist conspiracy theories about immigrants
and people of color. Today, for example,
it was reported that the Trump administration
won’t give temporary protective status
to people from the Bahamas who fled Hurricane Dorian. And when he was asked about that
on Monday, Trump said this. -We have to be very careful. Everybody needs
totally proper documentation because, look, the Bahamas
has some tremendous problems with people going to the Bahamas that weren’t
supposed to be there. I don’t want to allow people that weren’t supposed to be
in the Bahamas to come into the United States, including some very bad people
and some very bad gang members and some very, very bad
drug dealers. -I’m sorry.
So you think gang members and drug dealers
snuck into the Bahamas then hid out there
and waited for a hurricane so they could eventually
pretend to be refugees and sneak into
the United States. “Psst! I need to get
this kilo of cocaine into the United States.” “No problem.
Just take it to the Bahamas and then wait five years.” The only people who have
ever been in the Bahamas who weren’t supposed to be
in the Bahamas are old people
who got on the wrong cruise. “I thought we were
going to Barbados!” Trump has always conflated
immigrants with criminals despite the fact
that immigrants commit crimes at lower rates
than native-born Americans. This is in many ways the central
lie of his political career, and he repeated it again
during a rally on Monday, even doing some crowd work with
the audience in North Carolina. -One of the biggest issues
in this election is, in fact, sanctuary cities. Sanctuary-city policies
that force prisons and jails to release criminal aliens directly into
your neighborhoods. “Get out. Go ahead.
Go into the neighborhood. [ Crowd booing ]
Go into…” What’s your neighborhood?
Where do you live? -Rutherford.
-What? Rutherford County. [ Cheers and applause ]
Okay. So, how do you feel about
having them release hardened, horrible criminals
into Rutherford County? I don’t think so. -Oh, they’re releasing
hardened criminals into Rutherford County? Are your aides on parole? I mean, seriously. Now… [ Cheers and applause ] Now he’s — he’s just
making up scary stories. He should hold his rallies
in the dark with a flashlight
under his face. He’s like a racist Stephen King. “Where do you live? Maine? How would you like it if they
released clowns into your sewers that bit your arms off?” In fact, Trump seems to be getting more into crowd work
at his rallies because after he had asked
people if they’d be cool with fictional criminals
rampaging through their streets, he polled the audience on a very complex, esoteric
policy question, a question that has vexed
and bedeviled academics for centuries, a question of such import
that it could very well define Trump’s presidency and this
country for decades to come. -What do you like better? “Made in America”
or “Made in the U.S.A.”? Go ahead. Wait. Ready?
We’ll go “Made in America.” Then “Made in the U.S.A.” What do you like better?
“Made in America”? [ Cheers and applause ] “Made in the U.S.A.” [ Loud cheers and applause ] Okay. -[ Chanting ] U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! -So I think we know that answer. -That might be
the single dumbest thing I’ve ever seen in… [ Cheers and applause ] …in, uh… Dumbest thing I’ve ever seen
in any arena, and I’m including the time
the Toronto Raptors mascot tried to skate down the stairs
and fell flat on his face. [ Laughter ] And, honestly, if at any point
this “Closer Look” bums you out, just Google “mascot fails.” It’s a lot of fun. In fact,
at the end of this segment, when it’s time for me
to do my little wrap-up summarizing how bad
everything is, we’re just going to put
some mascot fails over my shoulder
to keep you entertained. Before we do that,
that clip right there really feels like
Trump in a nutshell. False, performative patriotism, pretending
he’s making decisions, when all he really cares about
is branding himself. Before that rally,
he was probably up all night trying to crack that one
like Mozart writing a symphony. “Made in America? No? Made in the United States? No. Made in the U.S. of A? Damn it, Donald.
You can do this!” And the same empty symbolism is the hallmark
of Trump’s foreign policy. During the campaign, he lied and said he’d been against
the Iraq War from the beginning but also called himself the most
militaristic person ever and proclaimed his support
for a bunch of war crimes including torture,
taking Iraq’s oil, and killing the families
of terrorists. And, of course, he famously said his main adviser on
foreign policy was himself and that he got all his ideas
from watching television. -Who do you talk to for
military advice right now? -Well, I watch the shows. I mean,
I really see a lot of great — You know,
when you watch your show and all of the other shows and you have the generals
and you have certain people — -But is there somebody —
Is there a go-to for you? You know? Every presidential
candidate has a go-to. -Probably there are
two or three. -Since we have some dire
foreign-policy issues percolating around the world
right now, who are you consulting with
consistently so that you’re ready on day one? -I’m speaking with myself,
number one, because I have a very good brain
and I’ve said a lot of things. -Oh, my gosh. “I have a very good brain
and I’ve said a lot of things.” It sounds like they translated
rap lyrics into Japanese and then back into English
with outdated software. That sounds like
a tape recording a psychological profile
would play during a trial where the defendant
is pleading insanity. “I heard the defendant having
a conversation in his cell, and I asked him who
he was speaking with,
and he said this.” -I’m speaking with myself,
number one, because I have a very good brain
and I’ve said a lot of things. -“Defendant is legally insane.
Court adjourned.” [ Cheers and applause ] So, Trump says he gets
his foreign-policy advice from the shows, and, of course, in particular he was talking
about Fox News. That’s where he saw John Bolton, the former Bush administration
official and Fox News pundit who Trump hired last year as his third national security
adviser, which was horrifying because Bolton is
an unrepentant warmonger who has pushed for a regime
change in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, and North Korea. In fact, a former Trump
administration official actually told “The New Yorker,” “John wants to bomb everyone.” And it’s dangerous
to have someone like that around Donald Trump because
Trump is very impressionable. If Marilyn Manson
had a show on Fox News, Trump would show up
to his next press conference with jet black hair
and a nose ring. It was always terrifying knowing
that an extremist neocon like Bolton had the ear
of an impressionable president who had no idea
what he was doing and who took his advice
from TV pundits. The relationship
was always weird. And yesterday, it came to an end
when Trump fired Bolton. Or maybe Bolton quit.
We don’t really know because, as usual, it happened
in the most chaotic way possible with Trump tweeting about it
and Bolton texting reporters while they were live on the air
reporting on his firing. -Trump announced he’d fired
Bolton this morning on Twitter, writing, “I informed John Bolton
last night that his services are no longer
needed at the White House.” -We’re just hearing
from Peter Baker that John Bolton
has texted him, as well, saying that he offered to resign
and resign today. So that version
is differing very much from the firing version
that comes from the President. -John Bolton just texted me.
Just now. He’s watching. -Can you read it?
-Yeah. He said,
“Let’s be clear. I resigned.” And I said,
“Do you mind if I say that? while you were talking,
and he wrote, “Yes.” So John Bolton has just told me,
texted me to say, “I resigned.” -This is insane. They’re all talking to each
other through the television. Trump is firing people
via tweet, Bolton is texting news anchors
on live TV to respond. It’s like if you were
watching a soap opera, and in the soap opera,
one of the characters said, “Oh, my God, John’s evil twin
is at home watching this, and he just texted me to say… he’s alive.” [ Laughter ] [ Applause ] Today during a meeting
in the Oval Office Trump was asked about
his decision to fire Bolton and tried simultaneously
to criticize Bolton for his extremist views
while also insisting that he was tougher than Bolton, but he also specifically and
repeatedly went out of his way to criticize Bolton
for his role in the Iraq War. -What led you
to decide to part ways? -So, John is somebody that I actually got along with
very well. He made some very big mistakes, and, frankly,
he wanted to do things not necessarily tougher than me. John’s known as a tough guy. He’s so tough,
he got us into Iraq. And, you know, John wasn’t
in line with what we were doing, and actually in some cases
he thought it was too tough what we were doing. Mr. Tough Guy. You know,
you have to go into Iraq. Going into Iraq was something that he felt
very strongly about. So we’re right now in
for over $7 trillion into the Middle East. But he was very out there,
I can tell you, and wanting to have them do it. I thought it was
a terrible mistake. -If you knew all that then, why did you hire him
in the first place? This is like firing someone
for embezzlement when they had “embezzlement”
under “special skills” on their résumé. Now, again,
it’s absolutely a good thing that an extremist warmonger
like Bolton is gone, but it’s also bad that he was
even hired in the first place. So where does this leave us
as a nation? Allow me to summarize.
Cue the mascot fails. John Bolton
is an unrepentant warmonger who was hired by a president
who has no consistent world view when it comes to foreign policy,
or anything for that matter. All he has are the racist
conspiracy theories he concocts in his rotting brain and the paranoid
right-wing media apparatus that feeds him those theories and then disseminates them
to his base. Having Bolton in the White House
was a nightmare, but it’s just as terrifying to imagine
who Trump might hire next. I mean, who knows? If all he does is hire people
he sees on TV, he might as well go ahead
and pick this guy. [ Laughter ] This has been “A Closer Look.”

Nightly News Broadcast (Full) – September 13, 2019 | NBC Nightly News


.
>>>BREAKING NEWS TONIGHT.
ACTRESS FELICITY
HUFFMAN HEADED TO PRISON.
SENTENCED IN THE
MASSIVE CHEATING SCANDAL AND THE DRAMA
IN THE COURTROOM.
WHAT SHE SAID TO THE JUDGE.
HUSBAND WILLIAM H.
MACY BY HER SIDE. TONIGHT, WHAT HER FATE
SIGNALS FOR LORI
LOUGHLIN AND THE OTHER CHILDREN.
>>>AND THE NEW TRACK
TONIGHT. >>>THE DEADLY CRASH,
A TRUCK SLAMMING INTO
THE EMERGENCY ROOM. A HOSPITAL WORKER
INSIDE KILLED.
>>I LOOKED OVER AND I SAW THIS BLACK TRUCK
JUST BARRELLING RIGHT
INTO THE INFORMATION DESK.
>>AUTHORITIES SAY
THEY BELIEVE IT WAS INTENTIONAL.
>>>WILL HE PLAY?
ANTONIO BROWN FIRING BACK AFTER ALLEGATIONS
OF RAPE.
THE PATRIOTS UNDER PRESSURE TO BENCH HIM
BEFORE HIS TEAM DEBUT
THIS WEEKEND. WHAT COACH BILL
BELICHICK IS SAYING
ABOUT THE CONTROVERSY. >>>THE NEW ALERT FOR
AN OVER THE COUNTER
DRUG TAKEN BY MILLIONS.
THE FDA REVEALING IT
CONTAINS A CHEMICAL LINKED TO CANCER.
WHAT TO DO IF YOU TAKE
IT. >>>AND THE COLD CASE
CRACKED AFTER 22 YEARS
WITH AN ONLINE SEARCH. >>THIS IS “NBC
NIGHTLY NEWS” WITH
LESTER HOLT. >>>GOOD EVENING,
EVERYONE.
14 DAYS IN PRISON WAS THE SENTENCE HANDED
DOWN LATE TONIGHT
AGAINST ACTRESS FELICITY HUFFMAN IN A
CASE FRAMED BY
PRIVILEGE AND AFFLUENCE.
THE STAR IS THE FIRST
TO FACE SENTENCING IN THE COLLEGE ADMISSIONS
CHEATING SCANDAL.
AFTER PLEADING GUILTY TO PAYING TO BOOST HER
DAUGHTER’S S.A.T.
SCORES. THE PRISON SENTENCE
ALONG WITH A FINE AND
COMMUNITY SERVICE CAME AFTER HUFFMAN
TEARFULLY ADDRESSED
THE COURT ACKNOWLEDGING HER
SHAME.
MIGUEL ALMAGUER IS IN BOSTON AND HE HAS THE
LATE DETAILS.
>>Reporter: ACTRESS HUFFMAN WALKING OUT OF
COURT TODAY, BUT NOT
FREE OF PRISON. THE CELEBRITY BRUSHING
PAST CAMERAS WITH
HUSBAND AND ACTOR WILLIAM H. MACY
MOMENTS AFTER SHE WAS
SENTENCED TO 14 DAYS BEHIND BARS.
IN FRONT OF THE JUDGE,
THE PROSECUTOR SAID MOST PARENTS HAVE THE
MORAL COMPASS AND
INTEGRITY NOT TO STEP OVER THE LINE.
THE DEFENDANT DOES
NOT. AFTER NOTING HUFFMAN’S
FAME AND WEALTH
SEVERAL TIMES, THE PROSECUTOR SAID
EMPHATICALLY THAT’S NO
PAPARAZZI IN PRISON. PRISON IS THE GREAT
EQUALIZER.
SHE MUST GO TO PRISON. BEFORE SHE ADDRESSED
THE JUDGE, MANY LEGAL
EXPERTS THOUGHT THE OSCAR NOMINEE WOULD
AVOID TIME BEHIND
BARS. LOOKING FOR LENIENCY,
SHE TOLD THE JUDGE I
AM DEEPLY ASHAMED OF WHAT I HAVE DONE.
I HAVE INFLICTED MORE
DAMAGE THAN I COULD HAVE IMAGINED.
HER VOICE CRACKING
WHILE SHE FOUGHT BACK TEARS HUFFMAN SAID I
TAKE FULL
RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS.
I WILL ACCEPT WHATEVER
PUNISHMENT YOU DEEM APPROPRIATE.
AFTER PLEADING GUILTY
TO FRAUD CHARGES IN MAY, HUFFMAN ADMITTED
TO PAYING $15,000 TO
HAVE HER DAUGHTER’S S.A.T. SCORES RIGGED.
THE JUDGE NOTING SHE
APOLOGIZED AND ACCEPTED GUILT EARLY.
COMPARED TO OTHER
DEFENDANTS SHE MADE ONE OF THE SMALLEST
BRIBES SHE SAID SHE
WAS NOT A REPEAT PLAYER, AND DID NOT
INVOLVE THE CHILD.
THEN THE SENTENCE. 14 DAYS IN PRISON.
$30,000 FINE.
ONE YEAR SUPERVISED RELEASE AND 250 HOURS
OF COMMUNITY SERVICE.
TOLD TO REPORT TO PRISON WITHIN SIX
WEEKS, HER ATTORNEY
ASKED IF SHE COULD SURRENDER TO THIS
FACILITY IN DUBLIN,
CALIFORNIA. HOURS AWAY FROM HER
SPRAWLING HOME IN THE
HOLLYWOOD HILLS. WITH 51 ARRESTED IN
THE PAY TO PLAY
COLLEGE ENTRANCE SCANDAL, HUFFMAN IS
NOW THE FIRST PARENT
TO BE SENTENCED. TODAY’S HEARING
PERHAPS A LITMUS TEST
FOR THE DOZENS OF PARENTS WHO WILL
APPEAR BEFORE THE
JUDGE NEXT. >>ANYTHING TO SAY?
>>Reporter: FELLOW
ACTRESS LORI LOUGHLIN FACES MORE SERIOUS
CHARGES AFTER
ALLEGEDLY PAYING HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO
GET HER DAUGHTERS INTO
USC AND IS HEADED TOWARDS TRIAL.
BUT TONIGHT FOR ONE
ACTRESS THE LEGAL CLIFF-HANGER COMING TO
AN END WITH PRISON
TIME. ON A STAGE WHERE THE
STAKES WERE HIGH.
HUFFMAN IS NOW FREE TO TRAVEL HOME TO LOS
ANGELES AND SHE NEEDS
TO REPORT TO FEDERAL PRISON BY THE END OF
NEXT MONTH.
LESTER? >>ALL RIGHT, THANKS.
>>>CYNTHIA McFADDEN
IS OUR SENIOR LEGAL CORRESPONDENT.
I WONDER WHAT YOU
THINK OF THE SENTENCE? >>I THINK THE JUDGE
WAS TRYING TO REACH A
COMPROMISE AND SEND A MESSAGE AND THE LAST
THING THAT HUFFMAN
WANTED WAS TO GO TO PRISON.
THE JUDGE WANTED TO
MAKE CLEAR SHE COMMITTED A CRIME AND
THAT’S WHERE SHE’S
GOING. >>SHE’S ONE OF MANY,
MANY DEFENDANTS.
WHAT DOES THIS SIGNAL TO THE REST OF THEM?
>>LET’S BREAK THE
OTHER DEFENDANTS INTO TWO PARTS.
THOSE WHO ALSO PLED
GUILTY 14 OF THEM THE PROSECUTOR IS SEEKING
BETWEEN A MONTH AND 15
MONTHS PENALTY FOR THEM.
IF I WERE THEM I WOULD
START PACKING, VERY LIKELY THEY’LL DO SOME
PRISON TIME TOO.
NOW, FOR THOSE LIKE LORI LOUGHLIN WHO PLED
NOT GUILTY AND SAYING
THEY DID NOTHING WRONG, REMEMBER, SHE
COULD SERVE 40 YEARS
IN PRISON IF CONVICTED.
>>THANK YOU.
>>>ALSO, BREAKING TONIGHT THAT NEW
TROPICAL THREAT
HEADING FOR THE BAHAMAS.
HIT HARD BY HURRICANE
DORIAN. NBC NEWS METEOROLOGIST
DYLAN DREYER IS
TRACKING IT. WHAT ARE YOU SEEING?
>>GOOD EVENING,
LESTER. TROPICAL DEPRESSION 9
WILL LIKELY BECOME A
TROPICAL STORM TOMORROW.
THE WINDS ARE AT 30
MILES AN HOUR AND THE LACK OF EXTREME WINDS
SHOULD REALLY PREVENT
A MAJOR STORM SURGE FROM OCCURRING.
HOWEVER, AS IT MOVES
THROUGH THE NORTHERN BAHAMAS, WE COULD SEE
UP TO SIX INCHES OF
RAINFALL AND THAT COULD LEAD TO SOME
FLOODING AND FLASH
FLOODING IN THIS AREA THAT’S ALREADY HARD
HIT.
THEN WE NEED TO KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON THE TRACK
OF THE STORM ALTHOUGH
THE MODELS HAVE BEEN PUSHING IT FURTHER TO
THE EAST.
THAT’S GOOD NEWS FOR THE COAST OF FLORIDA
AND SOUTHEASTERN
UNITED STATES. AND THEN IT’S LOOKING
LIKE IT’S GOING TO
TAKE THAT TURN OUT OVER THE WATERS.
SO WE REALLY SHOULDN’T
SEE TOO MANY IMPACTS BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP A
CLOSE EYE ON THIS
TRACK. LESTER?
>>THANK YOU.
>>>NOW TO A DEADLY INCIDENT NEAR
COLUMBUS, OHIO.
A MAN CRASHING A PICKUP TRUCK INTO THE
EMERGENCY ROOM OF A
HOSPITAL KILLING AN EMPLOYEE.
AND AUTHORITIES SAY IT
WAS INTENTIONAL. OUR STEVE PATTERSON
HAS MORE.
>>Reporter: TONIGHT INVESTIGATORS SIFTING
FOR ANSWERS AT THIS
OHIO EMERGENCY ROOM AFTER A TRUCK PLOWED
INTO THE BUILDING,
KILLING AN EMPLOYEE. >>WHAT’S —
INJURY ACCIDENT.
>>I HEARD THIS BOOM. THEN I LOOKED OVER AND
I SAW THIS BLACK
TRUCK. >>Reporter: YOU CAN
SEE THE TRUCK FULLY
LODGED INSIDE THE MED CENTER.
>>THERE WAS A LADY
PINNED THERE. >>Reporter: THE MAN
SMASHED THROUGH THE
FRONT DOOR AND STRIKING TWO HOSPITAL
EMPLOYEES.
AUTHORITIES CALLING THE ACT INTENTIONAL.
SAYING IT HAPPENED
AFTER THE SUSPECT LEFT A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM
AGAINST MEDICAL
ADVICE. OFFICIALS SAY THE
SECOND VICTIM IS BEING
TREATED FOR NONLIFE THREATENING INJURIES.
LEONDECKER IS FACING
CHARGES FOR AGGRAVATED MURDER.
>>THANK YOU.
>>>THERE IS A NEW ALERT FROM THE FDA
CONCERNING A POPULAR
OVER THE COUNTER HEART BURN MEDICATION.
LOW LEVELS OF THE
CHEMICAL LINKED TO CANCER DISCOVERED IN
ZANTAC.
STEPHANIE GOESING HAS MORE.
>>Reporter: TENS OF
MILLIONS OF AMERICANS TAKE ZANTAC AND TODAY
THE FDA ISSUED AN
ALERT THAT ZANTAC AND THE GENERIC VERSION
CONTAIN LOW LEVELS OF
A PROBABLE HUMAN CARCINOGEN CALLED
MDMA.
THE FDA IS NOT CALLING FOR INDIVIDUALS TO
STOP TAKING THE DRUG
BUT IS CONTINUING TO INVESTIGATE.
>>SOMEBODY CAN SWITCH
TO OTHER SIMILAR TYPE OF MEDICATIONS AND IF
THEY WANT TO START
ALTOGETHER IT’S BEST TO SLOWLY STOP AND
TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT
WAYS YOU CAN KEEP YOUR HEART BURN UNDER
CONTROL.
>>Reporter: OVER THE LAST YEAR MDMA WAS
FOUND IN POPULAR BLOOD
PRESSURE MEDICATIONS TRIGGERED A RECALL.
TODAY, THE ONLINE
PHARMACY DETECTED THE CHEMICAL.
THE AGENCY DOES NOT
ROUTINELY TEST DRUGS ON ITS OWN LEAVING IT
UP TO THE
MANUFACTURERS INSTEAD. THE MAKERS OF ZANTAC
ISSUED A STATEMENT,
SANOFI TAKES THE PATIENT SAFETY
SERIOUSLY AND WE’RE
COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE FDA.
ZANTAC MEETS ALL THE
SPECIFIED SAFETY REQUIREMENTS.
TONIGHT, THE FDA IS
ASKING DOCTORS TO REPORT ANY PROBLEMS
WITH ZANTAC, LOOKING
TO MEASURE THE RISK FOR THE MILLIONS OF
PEOPLE WHO TAKE IT.
STEPHANIE GOSK, NBC NEWS, NEW YORK.
>>>AND THERE’S BIG
NEWS TONIGHT FOR MORE THAN 1 MILLION
CHILDREN WITH PEANUT
ALLERGIES. THE FDA PANEL HAS
RECOMMENDED APPROVING
THE FIRST TREATMENT OF ITS KIND.
NBC’S KRISTEN DAHLGREN
ON THE POTENTIALLY LIFE SAVING PILL.
>>Reporter: FOR YEARS
THIS GIRL LIVED IN FEAR AS THE SMALLEST
TRACE OF PEANUT.
>>I COULDN’T TOUCH A DOORKNOB, I HAD TO
WIPE THEM DOWN BEFORE
BECAUSE SOMEBODY COULD HAVE WALKED IN WITH
PEANUTS ON THEIR
HANDS. >>Reporter: SHE
COULDN’T FLY ON PLANES
OR SIT WITH FRIENDS AT LUNCH.
>>IT’S REALLY HARD.
>>TO THINK THAT ANY LITTLE PIECE OF PEANUT
DUST COULD KILL HER.
>>YEAH. ESPECIALLY WHEN
THEY’RE SO HELPLESS
AND LITTLE. >>Reporter: BUT TODAY
AN FDA COMMITTEE
RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR A FIRST OF ITS
KIND TREATMENT CALLED
PALFORZIA. A CAPSULE WITH A
MINUSCULE AMOUNT OF
PHARMACEUTICAL GRADE PEANUT POWDER.
THE DOSE IS INCREASED
OVER TIME. >>SO THEIR BODY
DEVELOPS A TOLERANCE.
KIND OF SAYS, GOSH, THIS ISN’T FOREIGN.
THIS ISN’T WEIRD.
>>Reporter: FULL FDA APPROVAL IS EXPECTED
TO COME LATER THIS
YEAR. THE TREATMENT ISN’T A
COMPLETE CURE.
MOST PATIENTS STILL CAN’T EAT A PEANUT
BUTTER SANDWICH BUT
THEY NO LONGER NEED TO WORRY ABOUT ACCIDENTAL
EXPOSURE.
TWO YEARS AFTER PARTICIPATING IN THE
CLINICAL TRIAL, VIOLET
NOW EATS TWO PEANUT M&M’s EVERY NIGHT FOR
MAINTENANCE AND CAN DO
THINGS SHE NEVER DREAMED OF.
>>I WOULD HAVE NEVER
HAVE GOTTEN TO BE ABLE TO DO ALL THE AMAZING
EXPERIENCES.
>>Reporter: NOW LIVING A LIFE WITHOUT
FEAR.
AND GIVING HOPE TO THE MILLIONS STILL
SUFFERING FROM FOOD
ALLERGIES. >>>AND NEW HEART
BREAK TONIGHT IN ST.
LOUIS. ONE MOTHER SHARING HER
DEVASTATION AFTER
LOSING HER TEEN SON TO GUN VIOLENCE.
THE SHOOTING JUST
HOURS AFTER A 3-YEAR-OLD’S DEATH,
RAISING THE NUMBER OF
KIDS KILLED BY GUN FIRE TO AT LEAST 23.
HERE’S NBC’S RON
ALLEN. >>Reporter: TONIGHT
THE MOTHER OF
13-YEAR-OLD CLIFFORD SWANN IS LEFT WITH
MEMORIES.
>>HE JOKED ALL THE TIME.
HE LOVED SCHOOL.
>>Reporter: SWANN WAS KILLED LAST NIGHT
WHILE WALKING WITH TWO
OLDER FRIENDS THROUGH AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
INVESTIGATORS
ARRESTING AN 18-YEAR-OLD.
>>I JUST WISH I HAD
MY SON. >>AIN’T YOUR FAULT.
>>Reporter: SWANN’S
SHOOTING CAME AFTER THE DEATH OF RODNEY
MARCH WHO GOT AHOLD OF
A LOADED GUN AND SHOT HIMSELF.
THIS BRINGS THE TOTAL
NUMBER OF CHILDREN SHOT AND KILLED THIS
YEAR TO 23.
THE YOUNGEST, JUST 2 YEARS OLD.
>>EVERYONE THAT’S
OVER THE AGE OF 9 YEARS OLD IS ABLE TO
SAY I’M AFRAID OF
BEING SHOT. IT’S REAL.
IT’S HORRIFIC.
WE’RE IN A REAL STATE OF TRAUMA.
>>Reporter: POLICE
BLAME A FLOOD OF HIGH POWERED WEAPONS.
WHERE ARE ALL OF THE
GUNS COMING FROM? >>PEOPLE COMING IN
THE COMMUNITY AND
SELLING GUNS, STOLEN GUNS.
THAT’S A BIG PROBLEM.
>>Reporter: POLICE SAY THEY STILL NEED
MORE HELP FROM
WITNESSES. WHILE THE ST. LOUIS
AREA KIDS ARE UNDER
SIEGE. RON ALLEN, NBC NEWS.
>>>SO MUCH HEARTACHE
IN THAT COMMUNITY. A MAJOR QUESTION
HANGING OVER THE NFL
TONIGHT, WILL SUPERSTAR ANTONIO
BROWN MAKE HIS DEBUT
WITH THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS SUNDAY AFTER
HE WAS ACCUSED OF RAPE
IN A LAWSUIT BY HIS FORMER TRAINER.
BROWN HAS DENIED THE
ALLEGATIONS. AND DEFENDS HIMSELF ON
INSTAGRAM FROM TOM
BRADY’S TRAINING CENTER.
>>THE DEVIL IS GOING
TO TRY TO BRING YOU DOWN WHEN YOU GET
CLOSER TO YOUR GOALS.
THE KEY IS DON’T LET HIM.
>>Reporter: HEAD
COACH BILL BELICHICK DID NOT SIGNAL TODAY
WHETHER BROWN WILL
PLAY SAYING ONLY QUOTE WE’LL DO WHAT’S BEST
FOR THE TEAM.
AUTHORITIES SAY THEY HAVE NO RECORD OF A
COMPLAINT AND NO
CRIMINAL CHARGES HAVE BEEN FILED.
>>>NOW TO THE FALLOUT
AFTER THAT HEATED EXCHANGE IN LAST
NIGHT’S DEMOCRATIC
DEBATE. JOE BIDEN COMING UNDER
ATTACK FROM FORMER HUD
SECRETARY JULIAN CASTRO WHO APPEARED TO
TAKE A SHOT AT BIDEN’S
AGE. HE RESPONDED LATE
TODAY.
PETER ALEXANDER HAS MORE.
>>Reporter: TONIGHT,
JOE BIDEN BRUSHING OFF THAT STUNNING SWIPE
FROM JULIAN CASTRO AT
AT LAST NIGHT’S DEBATE.
>>I THINK HE HIS
FAKDS WRONG. >>Reporter: BIDEN HAD
A STRING OF
MISSTATEMENTS AND CASTRO SEEMED TO
QUESTION HIS MEMORY
DURING THIS CLASH OVER WHETHER THE HELICOPTER
CARE PLAN
AUTOMATICALLY ENROLLS THE UNINSURED.
>>NO, THEY DON’T HAVE
TO BUY IN. THEY DO NOT HAVE TO
BUY IN.
>>YOU JUST SAID THAT. YOU JUST SAID THAT TWO
MINUTES AGO.
YOU JUST SAID TWO MINUTES AGO THAT THEY
WOULD HAVE TO BUY IN.
>>THEY DON’T HAVE TO BUY IN —
>>ARE YOU FORGETTING
WHAT YOU SAID TWO MINUTES AGO?
>>Reporter: BUT WAS
IT A FAIR ATTACK? CASTRO APPEARED TO
MISREPRESENT WHAT
BIDEN SAID, EVEN THOUGH HE HIGHLIGHTED
THE COMMON CRITICISM
OF BIDEN’S PLAN. >>I THOUGHT THAT WAS
SO PERSONAL AND SO
UNNECESSARY. >>Reporter: CASTRO
TODAY NOT BACKING
DOWN. THIS IS WHAT THESE
DEBATES ARE FOR.
WE’RE HAVING A DISAGREEMENT ABOUT
SOMETHING VERY
IMPORTANT. >>Reporter: OTHERS
WARNING THAT THE LACK
OF PRECISION BY BIDEN CAN COST THE
DEMOCRATS.
>>PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT JOE BIDEN’S
ABILITY TO CARRY THE
BALL ACROSS THE END ZONE WITHOUT FUMBLING.
>>HE SAID IT’S FINE
FOR THE RIVALS TO PLAY THE AGE CARD.
>>YES, I DON’T HAVE
CONCERNS. YOU WANT TO WRESTLE.
>>Reporter: THEY
ARGUED AFTER FACING REPEATED ATTACKS LAST
NIGHT, BIDEN IS STILL
THE FRONT-RUNNER. LESTER?
>>PETER ALEXANDER,
THANK YOU. >>>IT WAS 25 YEARS
PRESIDENT CLINTON
SIGNED THE VIOLENT CRIME AND LAW
ENFORCEMENT ACT INTO
LAW. IT WAS HAILED BY
SUPPORTERS AS A GET
TOUGH RESPONSE TO RISING CRIME BUT A
QUARTER CENTURY LATER
THE IMPACT IS STILL BEING DEBATED.
THE YEAR 1994.
>>NEXT THING I SAW WAS PEOPLE FALLING
DOWN AND GUNSHOTS.
>>A NEW LAW SEEN BY MANY AS THE BEST WAY
TO FIGHT BACK.
>>LET US ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES TO ROLL BACK
THIS AWFUL TIDE OF
VIOLENCE. >>MARC MORIAL WAS
MAYOR OF NEW ORLEANS.
TALK ABOUT THE NEW ORLEANS THAT YOU
INHERITED AS MAYOR IN
1994. >>THERE WERE 400 PLUS
MURDERS A YEAR.
THE OUTCRY FROM THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN
COMMUNITY TO DO
SOMETHING, TO FIX THE PROBLEM, WAS REALLY
THE CLARION CALL THAT
GOT ME ELECTED. >>BILL BRATTON WAS
NEW YORK CITY’S POLICE
COMMISSIONER. >>PARENTS WERE HAVING
THEIR CHILDREN SLEEP
IN BATHTUBS BECAUSE OF RANDOM BULLETS COMING
THROUGH THE APARTMENT
WINDOWS. >>THE LAW INCREASED
FUNDING TO HIRE
100,000 NEW POLICE OFFICERS NATIONWIDE,
PROVIDED INCENTIVES TO
BUILD MORE STATE PRISONS.
INCLUDED THE VIOLENCE
AGAINST WOMEN ACT AND MANDATED LIFE SENTENCE
FOR THREE STRIKES.
THAT HAD A PROFOUND IMPACT ON EDWARD
DOUGLAS WHO WAS
SENTENCED TO LIFE AFTER THREE DRUG
CONVICTIONS AND HE WAS
JUST RELEASED AS A RESULT OF THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE REFORM LAW
SIGNED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP.
>>THE DAY THAT I
BOUNCED OUT I JUST CRIED.
JUST CRIED.
I WAS OVERWHELMED. 16 YEARS IS A LONG
TIME, YOU KNOW, TO
SPEND IN JAIL. >>THE STORIES LIKE
EDWARDS ARE SPARKING
GROWING BACKLASH 25 YEARS LATER.
>>I HAVE A PLAN TO
END THE MASS INCARCERATION OF
MILLIONS.
>>WAS THIS BILL FUELLING WHAT WE KNOW
AS MASS INCARCERATION?
>>NO QUESTION THAT IT FUELED IT.
IT INCENTIVIZED PRISON
CONSTRUCTION. IT INCENTIVIZED STATES
TO PASS MORE DRACONIAN
LAWS. >>BUT SOME WHO
SUPPORTED THE BILL
SAID WHILE IT HAD DRAW BACKS IT HELPED IN
MANY WAYS.
>>I THINK IT HELPED A GREAT DEAL FOR WOMEN
TO FEEL THAT THEY
COULD GET SOME RELIEF THROUGH DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE.
I THINK IT HELPED OUR COMMUNITIES A GREAT
DEAL TO HAVE COMMUNITY
POLICING. >>BUT WE CANNOT LOSE
SITE OF WHAT THIS
COUNTRY IS LIKE IN THE 199 0s.
>>JOE BIDEN DISPUTES
THE IDEA THAT IT CONTRIBUTED TO THE
MASS INCARCERATION.
>>>STILL AHEAD, A MASS INCARCERATION.
>>>STILL AHEAD, A
COLD CASE SOLVED A TONIGHT A DISCOVERY
SURROUNDING A DECADE’S
OLD MYSTERY PAUSE OF SOMETHING A MAN SAW
WHEN HE WAS LOOKING AT
GOOGLE EARTH IMAGES. HERE IS MORGAN CHESKY.
>>Reporter: WILLIAM
MOLT WAS LAST SEEN IN FLORIDA BACK IN 1997.
HE WAS PLACED ON THE
MISSING PERSON’S LIST AND FOR 22 YEARS HIS
FAMILY NEVER GAVE UP
HOPE. EVEN WHEN HIS CASE
WENT COLD.
BUT AFTER A DISCOVERY ON GOOGLE EARTH, WHEN
A MAN WHO USED TO LIVE
IN THE GATED COMMUNITY WAS LOOKING AT HIS OLD
HOUSE.
AS HE ZOOMED IN HE SAW WHAT APPEARED TO BE A
CAR SUBMERGED IN THE
POND. HE CALLED UP A FRIEND
WITH A DRONE AND WHEN
THEY BOTH FLEW OVER THE WATER THEY COULD
SEE THE CAR HIDDEN
BENEATH THE SURFACE. WHEN A POLICE DIVE
TEAM RECOVERED THE
VEHICLE, OFFICERS FOUND A BODY INSIDE.
>>THAT’S SO SHOCKING
ONCE IT BECAME A CRIME SCENE THEY HAD US MOVE
AWAY SO WE WOULDN’T
DISTURB ANY EVIDENCE. >>Reporter: THE
MEDICAL EXAMINER’S
OFFICE CONFIRMED IT WAS MOLT INSIDE THE
CAR BUT HOW HE ENDED
UP THERE IS STILL UNKNOWN.
>>NEVER KNOW WHAT
YOU’LL FIND WHAT’S IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN
YOU MOVE IN.
OF — AGE AN HOW THE ALARM
CHANGES CAN BE A
WARNING TO ALL OF US. MONDAY ON “NBC NIGHTLY
NEWS” WITH
>>>FINALLY THE LITTLE GIRL, HER HEART FELT
LETTER AND A TOY STORY
ABOUT EQUALITY. THAT’S INSPIRING
AMERICA.
HERE’S CATIE BECK. >>Reporter: PLASTIC
ARMY GREEN FIGURINES
HAVE BEEN AN IMAGINARY BRIGADE OF FUN FOR
GENERATIONS.
BUT NOW, THESE CLASSIC TOY SOLDIERS ARE
GETTING A NEW ADDITION
TO THE RANKS AT THE REQUEST OF 6-YEAR-OLD
VIVIAN WARD.
>>WE FOUND A GUY THAT WAS MAKING ARMY MEN
AND WE SENT HIM A
LETTER TO HIM. >>Reporter: A LETTER
SENT TO THE TOY OWNER
JIM IMFELT. >>I PLAY SOCCER, I’M
6 YEARS OLD.
WHY DO YOU NOT MAKE GIRL ARMY MEN?
>>Reporter: SHE
KINDLY SUGGESTED THE COMPANY ADD SOME WOMEN
TO THE WAR FRONT.
AS IT TURNED OUT, HE HAD BEEN THINKING
ABOUT THE IDEA FOR
YEARS. HEARING FROM VIVIAN
ADVANCED HIS MISSION.
>>EVERY KID WANTS TO BE THE HERO OF THEIR
OPEN STORY.
>>Reporter: HEROES NOW SHE ROWS WILL BE
FOR SALE BEFORE
CHRISTMAS 2020. >>I WILL PLAY WITH
THEM EVERY DAY.
AND MY FRIENDS WOULD TOO.
THANK YOU.
>>Reporter: A SALUTE TO WOMEN WARRIORS,
LARGE AND SMALL.
CATIE BECK, NBC NEWS.

The CIA, Drug Trafficking and American Politics: The Political Economy of War


for ten years now john stockwell has been a regular guest on alternative views we first interviewed John in 1978 after he had quit the CIA and it just published a book in search of enemies in which he criticized the 1975 US operation in Angola which he supervised a CIA case officer and he provided in this book his first general critique of the role of the CIA in u.s. foreign and domestic policy in interviews with us over the last 10 years John has discussed how he joined the CIA and provided detailed accounts of his operations in Angola and Africa and Vietnam and elsewhere in the meantime John has become a peace activist lecture author screenwriter and one of the world’s foremost critics of the CIA and u.s. foreign policy during the entirety of the 1980’s the Reagan years John has been tireless in his criticism of the CIA and Reagan’s foreign policy and has lectured and written and spoken out on these topics literally all over the world so it is with great pleasure that we meet with John again today John we haven’t seen you on alternative views for some time what have you been up to this year we’ve tried several times I’ve been travelling constantly non-stop travel it finally wound down for the lecture stuff about the end of May and then I took a vacation working on a book project down south and just got back into town lots of interest out there in the world tremendous I I have invitations to lecture seven days a week and I just sort of take what my voice whilst and deep concern about Central America deep concern about the arms race deep concern about the drug problem that’s that’s clearly dragging our nation down deeps concern about the you know the truth of what our country is all about and and the values that this country professes I mean people have it laid out right in front of them that our government is has been tolerating and even encouraging drug traffickers in Central America one of the key drug traffickers in Panama Noriega it was published in Newsweek magazine saying openly quote the closing line and the Newsweek article for 10 million people to read Noriega saying I’ve got the vice president by the balls now here you have a key drug mafioso openly bragging that he has blackmail control of our of one of the two presidential candidates now this sort of thing has to have the nation deeply concerned the confusion redoubled however by Ronald Reagan going to Moscow and hugging and kissing with the evil empire with Gorbachev and and and doonesbury writing a thing about the Cold War being being dead and the appearance of a ceasefire in Nicaragua so on the one hand you have people in the peace community saying we won in Nicaragua we stopped the destabilization there President Reagan has been pressured and led and induced established from cordial relations with the Soviet Union and the Cold War is over so the battles won which is as untrue and inaccurate as some of the claims at the right was putting on us on on the other side and again one of the two presidential candidates deeply mired into the the great drug machinery let’s explore this theme for a minute John it hasn’t really been reported on the media that George Bush according to these stories at least his office had a drug ring that was delivering arms to the Contras and bringing back weapons or bringing back drugs into the United States and that Bush’s office was thus connected with crime with Noriega with drugs etc can you give a little bit of the detail of this operation of what this might portend for George Bush’s future as a presidential candidate well actually the most fascinating thing is that it has been reported a year and a half ago when the iran-contra scandal broke the major media was saying time and again George Bush is dead in the water his political career is finished I mean the New York Times repeatedly the Washington Post repeatedly because the information was out of this linkage with George Bush his key staffers with Felix Rodriguez stana nila Pangu who is running the contra air supply effort which was in fact flying drugs back up into the United States Felix Rodriguez was the man who approached the Medellin Colombian cocaine cartel to get them to make a donation to the Contras during the Boland hiatus – by continuing access to the airplanes this information was in a major major media a year and a half ago but the the tolerance of this nation conditioned to the sleaze and corruption and lies and and entire what should be outrageous activities of oliver north of the national security council and blowing off the law illegally smuggling drugs illegally exporting arms illegally running wars around the world illegally trying to assassinate world leaders bragging about it on one hand and turning around the next day and denying it the nation has just become so incredibly tolerant that that they didn’t close bush down a year and a half ago and he has managed since he had control of the republican party machine and he’s the heir apparent as vice president he’s managed to proceed and emerge as one of the two presidential candidates now if Dukakis stubs his toe Bush will be the president with the leading drug dealers bragging quote Newsweek we’ve got him by the balls they only you know there was a quote or a story in the spotlight which just came out today and it was talking about they have some information about some intercepts which the National Security Agency has which they’ve been sitting on for some time in which they have Noriega talking to people in Noriega talking specifically about his relationship with Bush and hand all and how they tied in with a drugs and the guy is just hit his he didn’t call him a wimp he called him a pimp and person all the other line said you mean a whip no I know English I said pip well but the I think the key thing that I saw that somebody pointed out some analysts said if the US media were spending as much time on George Bush as they do on the sex lives of Tammy Bakker and some of the other right-wing evangelists then the people would have a very clear idea about George Bush or if they’d spent the amount of time on on George Bush that they spent on Gary Hart sex life for example but they were clearly out to destroy Gary Hart and they did over a matter of sexual promiscuity which is not that unusual in Washington believe me among senators and congressmen and and the world of society today the drug smuggling unfortunately see the tolerance of the nation gets back it’s understandable at two levels you would think that the man the doors would slam shut on him everywhere you would think that based on what we know right up front of the public record that he would have been impeached and forced to resign immediately discussions were held about this year and a half ago that that made it into the public realm but he didn’t the reason the nation is not outraged as it should be as I see it is because at both ends of the spectrum and in between there’s a tolerance towards drugs and ambivalence on the bottom and drugs have been counterculture stuff for a long time the progressive community the hippies that you know the as an act of defiance smoking pot in between you have doctors and lawyers and business people and the engineers in Silicon Valley as the ones who can afford cocaine when the price was higher now there’s been so much cocaine under the country plus crack at the price is down then at the ultra end of the spectrum you’re talking about a hundred and fifty billion dollar industry now there’s no way that our major banks are going to allow this money to be deposited in banks on Mars or in the Soviet Union this is big business and so they’re going to be sucking the money back into the Machine as efficiently as possible which they do through these Cayman Island banks and Panama and Panama lol Antonio and San Antonio and Miami right and the money flows so the question is where is society going to go the the capitalists the people who own the banks who own the capital system obviously comfortable George Bush machinery the wheels would turn they make their money it gets it gets fascinating taking it to the other end of the line the third world’s revenge if you will looking at it from the viewpoint of Latin Americans as long as the stuff is exported up here it’s a source of hard currency it’s a lot better than selling bananas a lot more profitable to the United States bringing hard currency down to their country and if in fact it damages the US society there’s not a great percentage of people in Latin America who would be regretful considering the way we’ve exploited mark all of these years getting back to George Bush is a very important connection and that is those of us who study American power structure I have been following this and that is that George Bush was the establishment David Rockefeller etc they were he was their candidate during the election when Reagan came in and they forced Bush upon Reagan Reagan didn’t want him now they found out that of course Bush was a member of the Trilateral Commission and then when the right-wingers put heat on him during the election or the the attempt to get the nomination within George Bush quit so will I’m not a member of the Trilateral Commission anymore but since then the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg organization which is even more covert organization of the International power structure but once again controlled by David Rockefeller they reiterated just the past few days that Bush is their candidate now they also have people who are from the establishment media and they all claim there’s no such organization as a Bilderberg but particularly the right-wingers they penetrate these organs to find out what’s going on so this is one of the main things they have going for them now they put out the were they going to support George Bush right down the line because they’re not sure about Dukakis they know he’s an unknown quantity but so this unit if these groups control the media this means that at least as far as CBS and the television networks are concerned this story about Bush and his connections with these drug rings simply might not penetrate into the public I mean even if the New York Times or Washington Post as a story on page ten unless it gets on the cover of Newsweek and time and on to the front of the CBS News and is repeated ten days in a row the story doesn’t have any offense right we have to remember the Watergate was talked about before Nixon won the 70s I was lucky but obviously it was talked about but what until after you won the election that the media really got in there and started digging in plastered it every day that’s that’s what’s needed pounded in into people’s consciousness and this this is the big question is will now Dukakis is leading 51 to 39 over Bush according to what I saw on TV yesterday and and among women voters it’s 61 39 or something like that the the question of course is what’s going to happen after the conventions when they go after each other after they’ve resolved the party issues and I I would think that that we will see some of the layers being peeled off in that debate not necessarily because if you understand that we have a two-party system but it’s two parts of the same system and and they like the iran-contra cover-up last summer the the purpose of that was a bipartisan as a parent bipartisan function to maintain a public trust damage control damage control in which the Democrats allowed the Republicans to advance their agenda and the Democrats did not go for the jugular vein which would have been easy to do to impeach George Bush and President Reagan because the system didn’t want to lose the public trust it it is very possible that Dukakis will not go for George Bush’s throat even at the at the potential cost of losing the election well if there’s a head enough in the polls as he is now he doesn’t need to he has plenty of other issues that he can exploit for one thing Bush doesn’t have any real social base it’s only the Republican country-club set and multinational capital said that are really behind him otherwise that even the right wing in this country has grave suspicions about Bush they see him as a Connecticut you know East Coast sort of Republican moderate which they don’t like absolutely so this is not a popular candidate he’s had very little success in his speaking and campaigning in terms of mobilizing support the way Ronald Reagan was able to then you get into the question of where where would Dukakis lead us if he if he does if Bush comes in he’s continuing Reaganomics and he’s continuing covert action and the Secret Wars he’s trying to play the much of the echo of Ronald Reagan this is a little ironic and unfortunate when you when you consider that as was noted many times Ronald Reagan you know it was said never had an original idea in his life and George Bush is coming along trying to echo Ronald Reagan’s ideas such as they were it puts George Bush pretty far down the ladder in terms of innovation and thinking development of programs and policies but let’s take it to the other side say things go as they seem to be going and Dukakis wins will that put the world and it puts it puts the world into a situation that has me deeply concerned one of the advantages when Reagan was in office is the simplistic idealism outspoken misspeaking upfront corruptions sleaze turning on this biggest spending the money it was an overt evil if you will an overt mismanagement and overt corruption and overt brutality what we’re facing now is a situation where the the peace the people are being lulled if you will Reagan in his last year has turned smart Nancy and her astrology or someone you know they got it worked out by hugging and kissing with Gorbachev and coming up with an INF token agreement they got everyone breathing a sigh of relief and well you have to say it is better to have them talking then have them railing at each other in threatening however before the INF now the INF agreement provides for us to withdraw what is it 432 missiles from Europe and the Russians to take out a bunch of obsolete SS 20s 1600 or something like that now the the before this agreement was inked the the nuclear gang was making its arguments preparing to build and deploy two thousand more more sophisticated weapons in Europe claiming that we were weakened because of the INF agreement so what we’re facing is quantum leap forward and in the nuclear you know rush to nuclear midnight and the peace movement lulled into quiet by well we have an agreement elite leaders are hugging and kissing even if they take another step forward and go for the reduction of some of the strategic missiles it’s only to clear the deck so that they can get money to build some more they’re also saying that the new generation like you said they were in a real panic when all this came about and the Russians kept giving us more and more I’m giving us giving you more and more and more until finally we couldn’t refuse yeah because we look really really bad so immediately Kissinger and all this people had a big powwow and they came up said well you know we need not only a new generation but we need all kinds of conventional weapons to defend the communist threat and these are going to cost a whole lot more folks so that means you have blah blah blah blah the question is whether Dukakis would go along with these kinds of policies Jesse Jackson of course has been criticizing his domestic policies as simply amounting to a managing of Reaganomics in other words not carrying out fundamental economic changes and there’s no evidence so far the Dukakis does have another economic program other than managed technocratic managed tightening the belt trying to work on the deficit a little bit there are a lot of parallels between what if you read the book Dukakis the man who would be President which is which is self serve I mean it’s it’s an advocacy book but but still laying out his his mistakes in his career it’s what he’s done in Massachusetts you know he was said he was swearing he would never raise taxes he was forced to the state was going bankrupt but cutting substantially social programs and the the economic revival in Massachusetts and Boston which is pretty real a lot of that’s built on defensemen right Ronald Reagan made it possible with his military buildup is exactly managing managing Reaganomics and profiting from it then then you get into he you know it’s supposedly liberalism or progressive you find little things that have to trouble you know how far he’ll go with them I don’t know but a big political effort early in his career Brookline you know this this elite residential area that he grew up in and lives in was being invaded by you know the cruddy people who weren’t wealthy who weren’t plugged in now Dukakis himself wasn’t wealthy but still he cherished this exclusive area that he lived in so he was working very hard to keep the the scumbags out keep the riffraff out see and this of course is the principle of immigrants from the beginning of the United States once they get in and a second generation when I graduate from Harvard they want to keep the others out now what are his policies going to be for the immigrants the INF you know that all of these things that Reagan has been very upfront about I think we may be in for some some unfortunate surprises from Dukakis on these issues well not now that he won’t be pushed by Jesse Jackson he’ll go back to his usual self I think after he had the nomination sewed up I saw where he was saying well actually in a lot of ways I’m more conservative than George Bush and then I read some analyses of his years in Massachusetts in the Guardian and they were saying same things that you were saying that he was anti labor anti-gay he was cutting Social Services and he was making sure that there weren’t any taxes on the corporations or the wealthy he was just a mini Reagan in Massachusetts the flipside of the system you know that’s the truly dumb and tweedle Edie Twitty will have Twitter ly dumber he will have the the added or the asset of he has been fierce on corruption his whole political be a good honest manager a squeaky clean he has been fighting corruption he did work very hard and and gets a lot of credit for cleaning up a very rotten political machine in Massachusetts in Boston and and this this of course the the nation would respond to this in welcome this would he come out real hard on the drug smuggling and as he as he said on occasion indict all the people involved and I I’m skeptical would he rocked the boat that much i I don’t see anything in his past that if you really get to the bottom of it to me you’ve got to clear away the big banks and the Rockefellers nobody’s going to do that most in yes the most interesting thing that’s going to come out of the next month will be at the democratic convention will be to see how they deal with Jesse Jackson and this large constituency that he brings in there by all rights he should be the vice president if there were any any popular responsibilities or democracy in his two-party system we have he has earned the right at least the vice presidency but if he’s if he comes in to the vice presidency of course he’ll bring his progressive agenda there will be a lot of clashes and I’d be quite they don’t see the establishment can live very well with Dukakis they’re going to have big problems living with Jackson even if he’s compromising and trying to you know calm them and reassure them what they will probably do of course is get a conservative running mate and then it’ll be interesting to see what they can give Jackson that will keep him on board because if they betray him if they cut him off if they humiliate him then all of the the 3% whatever it is that you know that has has supported him solidly they’re not going to vote for Dukakis and his team in which case George Bush could wind up to be president so they need Jackson to win that they can’t concede a lot of the ideas he wants because it goes against the grain of their own ideologies the basic ideology of capitalist control of the system the power bloc controlling itself Jackson is a challenge there’s another curiosity about Dukakis and that is he came out very strongly about doing away with the u.s. foreign policy in regard to Nicaragua it’s a failed policy no good we gotta quit supporting the Contras yet on the other hand he said that he would not abandon first strike and a nuclear war seems like kind of a contradiction here I was so surprised to see him come out so strongly against the Contras well Dukakis mind you this association we’ve put together we’ve had we’ve been going to primary States and holding hearings and challenging the candidates okay and what is your association it’s we call it the Association for Responsible descent and it’s built around some ex-cia some ex Defense Department X state X National Security Council as well as civilian scholars who are qualified scholars into the subject and people who’ve earned credentials in other ways through writing or filmmaking or whatnot to be qualified as experts on the subject of national security to investigated the study to educate research and it tremendous energy in this thing this is the organization that has finally brought together given a home in which people like Daniel Ellsberg Peter Dale Scott David McMichael Brian Wilson john stockwell john stockwell yeah the first organization i’ve joined since i left the government they just wasn’t an organization that related to our interests and yet our interests are basic to the whole diseased aspect of our potentially wonderful system and this this group has been meeting continuously we’ve had 10 major meetings during the year wherever we could at end states where primaries were being held challenging the candidates to come now they’re in and out of time very hard to nail them down but if they couldn’t come to send someone to articulate their positions and answer questions and challenges from us and what we got out of Dukakis it was useful we did make them articulate positions on quote national security and covert policies and secrecy and whatnot you met with Dukakis or some of his with some of us met with Dukakis and we had formal public hearings in which he sent key aides to articulate his line Anna Simon Jackson the other time we were doing this way back in Iowa and since what Dukakis said we dropped the others because there they’re out of it although at one point last January some of Jackson’s advisers were beginning to say well a little bit of covert action and we got oh yeah and we got we nailed and we stopped that by saying you know you can’t have a little bit of that you know if if Jackson and they were saying well we need a more moderate image so we don’t scare people off and we said we won’t put up with that if Jesse Jackson moderates and compromises on his sympathy and protective position towards the third world then he will be absolutely chopped off by the progressive community in the world he will not be allowed to compromise and they very quickly dropped that line now what Dukakis said was was actually you know applause on his side I would say encouraging he was in Peru you know he speaks excellent Spanish he was in Peru as a young man working when the Guatemalan operation was run as he has said himself in public speeches he personally felt the humiliation of seeing his country engineered the overthrow of a functioning constitutional democracy in Latin America for for the profit of the United Fruit Company this was 1953 1954 and he said repeatedly and his staffers maintain that if he’s elected president there will be no more chilies and Guatemalans as he put so then you tell you know okay what about Angola what about Chad what about Ethiopia will he cut up all covert actions and what they do now I get part at that point he said well I’m against the Contras and you’d ask about Angola and he’d say well we’ll have to study each part of the world but dukakis his people just keep coming back and saying there will be no more Guatemala’s and no more Chile and then you say well what about the El Salvadorian election manipulation campaign will those things be outlawed as well and they say there will be no more chiles and no more Guatemalans now this is encouraging now if you add that to if you will the results of our efforts over over the is yours alternative use mind lecturing and the community at large we’ve accomplished some interesting things bill Colby my old boss who ran the Phoenix program in Vietnam that he says killed 22,000 people has come out saying that the CIA should be gotten out of the corporate action business fall together hold it it’s called a head of the CIA oh yes yes CIA director yeah he’s been well what what chart what change that because I’ve seen him on TV or you know he’s not the air – I shouldn’t do these things he said he’s saying that the CI should because it being an intelligence agency rather than an action agency yeah William Webster who’s the new director who’s saying he hasn’t said this is my policy this is what I’m working towards but he said that that we should examine the possibility of getting the CI out of covert action altogether well then where they’re not saying there wouldn’t be covert action or saying get the CIA out is apathy just sort of fre they stopped their comment at that point now the the presumption of course is that that the stuff would be done by the Defense Department and the Green Berets and they would do the covert wars and the CI would gather intelligence now this would in fact be a healthy step for the nation for one thing we might have a chance of getting some good intelligence if the CI wasn’t having to justify its own Wars of course the danger would be transferring to the Pentagon generals in charge and having them out there trying to overthrow governments and why not if that happens now if Dukakis came into office and pursued his policy about Guatemala’s and chiles and if Webster would play ball and the community mind you the block of CI pros inside who would like to go home and feel proud in front of their 20 year old college daughters who have just seen a film about conscience slitting throats you know in Nicaragua and and you know daddy are you in the CIA you know I mean this is a real problem for CI officers there is a block of people inside the CI and there has been all along that have been saying we would like to be an honorable organization we’ve been betrayed by people who want to go out and pay people to cut throats we should gather intelligence and do it well now if events evolve and let’s big if if George Bush comes in just forget all of this and if Dukakis comes in put a big question mark on it but if it did evolve in this direction then we would run into a restructuring and a lot of political infighting would the CI really give up all capability would they just give up most of it but retain a little unit that would do some things and then if you got it into the Pentagon they don’t have stations in every embassy around the world this is how the CI is managed to hang on to this capability the other people don’t have the way to send telegrams the infrastructure people train people speaking languages to do this all over the world so what you would see would be a restructuring of the DIA the Defense Intelligence Agency with it being built up at least in key countries that they wanted to destabilize around the world and see a shifting of these activities from one department to another with perhaps the CI winding up a different kind of an organization but the big question is would you know would in fact the United States policy change one iota and my suggestion is that that that like this I enough agreement we we have not stuck we’re still you know cranking out five bombs a day and and the Soviet Union is and as you know putting out bombs and more sophisticated ones all the time plus all these other nations that are trying to reach some level of parity in the mad principle mutually assured destruction exactly by 1992 the British and the French can combined or it’s estimated this is not solid figures that we’ve been able to document but about a 1200 deliverable strategic thermonuclear weapons between them we’ll see that’s enough to destroy the world either one of them and so that would put them into the mad category they could destroy us as we could destroy them the French could destroy us as we could destroy them so other nations coming into the level of the club the inner membership the upper membership where they could also destroy the world or trigger events that would destroy the world now while we’re celebrating the INF agreement the factories are turning out these these weapons of destruction at the same pace they have throughout so the peace movement vigilant and active we have to redouble efforts and it’s going to be it is harder and it’s going to be harder as Reagan and Gorbachev I got the sense of alarm of imminent danger that surely much easier when President Reagan was was railing at the evil empire and saying you can always drop some test bombs in Europe show them we mean business that’s up front I mean you would want in the peace movement to have a president that was that gauche just because it makes your case so easy to make I I’ve been on TV shows and radio shows including one yesterday in which someone was railing at me over the air saying you know I was way out of touch you know they’ve got an agreement going and why was I a die-hard and everything and yet nothing has changed they’re going to pull back 432 weapons from Europe now this person was saying see you’ve got to get tough we have to have an asset with the Soviets before we can bargain now we had 30,000 thermonuclear weapons before Reagan came into office you know we had a major asset we had enough to destroy 50 or 60 Soviet Union’s all together he came up with this program that at mellorak published and gave the budgetary figures for and everything began before he came into office and he pursued it and sold it made it effective to build and employ 17,000 more thermonuclear weapons he put the 400 Pershing ‘s and intermediate weapons in Europe and then we come up with the program to the INF agreement to dismantle the delivery systems and take the bombs back home and the Soviets as part of the agreement pull out of their SS 20s which were obsolete anyway which they don’t mean they can with their longer range missiles devastate your employees land very effectively but the quantum increase the gross increase for the world of course is what if we got 30 some-odd percentage increase in our thermo nuclear capability under Ronald Reagan and the Soviets likewise plus these other nations coming on board and anyone go ahead now well the point is that they’re claiming see this is a vindication of what Reagan said when he came into office he said you have to get tough build up your military to get the Russians to talk so I got tough I built up the military and I got them to sign an agreement the first agreement that’s ever been made that were they we really dismantled weapons but the fact is what is it what is 400 out of 40,000 it was 1% I mean they’re getting rid of a tiny little percentage of what of weapons it didn’t exist when they came into office it’s a daughter I don’t I’m more than that it’s an utter fraud get them to go back and reduce a tiny percentage of them of obsolete weapons meanwhile the Russians are coming out with their SS eighteens and emerged SS 18s and and the other evolutions of weaponry which which clearly make the world exponentially more dangerous at the end of the Reagan era despite the sign of agreement howdy and this Daniel Ellsberg said back when Jimmy Carter was in office we have a tape of a speech he gave here of course he was a former defense analyst himself at the RAND Corporation he said if you want a deterrent you only need two submarines yes because each of them can wipe out the major cities in the Soviet Union trying to go back to Dukakis what is his policy on nuclear weapons and relations with the Soviet Union there hadn’t been too much on that in the media well he’s been faulted for making some some fairly basic statements at the level of first strike capability and bargain with the Soviets which which which were in fact naive which weren’t in fact simplistic and gave ammunition to the other side that he has no experience in this field he’s saying basically we have to pursue vigorously in arms agreement and get rid of 50% of the strategic weapons and it is it is awkward because that I mean that’s wonderful 50% is half the number that could malfunction and trigger World War 3 and the obliteration of the planet but it still leaves enough to utterly destroy 10 planets meanwhile the factories are still it gets back to the Jonathan Schell book the fate of the earth you know you can get rid of all the weapons but you’ve still got the factories turning out weapons you get rid of the you close down the factories but you’ve still got the technical capability so you know that would be a wonderful first step but it would be meaningless unless we shut the factories down well what about testing military spending weapons development with Dukakis has he committed himself to significant restraints in this area or is he just not taking a clear position yet I have seen no commitment from him on cutting back on on them on the Don the defense and the reassurance and no implied reassurance you try to strip the strip away the rhetoric and the glib things that they all say I’m for peace you know wanna know this he is not beating the drums of a big defense program but if you look what at what he did in Massachusetts cutting cutting welfare cutting the social program selling out the progressive community if you will in interests of the people for the the capitalist system for the common good it does not give you any great assurance that he’s going to go after the military machine he probably will go after corruption now one thing that he it was just you know yesterday and the news is Bush was was bashing him on tax increases and Dukakis was saying that he would solve the tax problem by really vigorous laws to recover taxes that are not being paid as opposed to cutting back military spending that could solve the national deficit two years if they just stopped producing weapons yeah cutting back on the military spending and also going after the the rich the higher income brackets that don’t pay as a problem today daughter cause who our he’s going to be going after you know the great you know the people across the nation who are a little loose on paying this and paying that and and try to launch a reform at that level without doing anything at least but that’s the indication we don’t know for sure but that’s the indication I see that’s what I’m concerned John can I ask you a other question about George Bush uh to a lot of people he’s is kind of mealy-mouthed you know when he doesn’t seem to have much substance to him but he was head of the CIA how long was he head of the CIA and did he have any personal impact on it and to the CIA change direction in any way when he was head of it yeah he had he had about a year in the CIA I worked for him he you know you know in the Angolan operation President Ford fired bill Colby in November and then suddenly realized that we were still in the process of the Senate hearings and Colby was right in you couldn’t change Directors in the middle of the hearings and we were in the middle of the Angola war and the Congress was very upset about this war and so he announced without consulting Colby they released it to the paper that he had been fired and then that was on a Friday on a Monday they had to go back and ask him if he would stick around for another couple of months and only a good soldier of his caliber would have agreed anyone else in the world would have said sorry babe you know I just read in the paper I was fired and enough is enough but he agreed and he stuck it out and he took the heat and then when the program was stopped by the Congress a Tony amendment passed on the 18th of December and 75 and then we got into it took you know six weeks for them to sign it into law they brought George Bush in and he inherited the job of fending off the hostile Congress and this was where I worked for him now was not in his office I didn’t work close with him but nevertheless he was the director and we had a real rotten apple in this Angola thing because we had lied to the Congress we committed perjury we had broken the law and the Congress was very angry and they had the ammunition about to shut us down and to end to Jayla certainly it had all of the potential dimensions of the iran-contra scandal and and his job the Congress didn’t want another Watergate sized scandal and so the if they if they could be persuaded they would and he inherited the job anyway what we found was first he came into office and it led to a lot of joking because of this factor the wimp factor that this Rufus Shalit e of the phone enos of the man he he was from the first day he got there he put out a memo saying you know how wonderful it was to be on board this wonderful organization with all these wonderful people yeah and then every three days we would get another memo would go throughout the entire building telling us how wonderful we were and you know the sophisticated people this is this is childish its its campaign rhetoric kind of stuff he would also we had in the CIA I mean these people you know they go up and down they run around they go to meetings across the directors and you’d find yourself sometime on the elevator with the director or down in the gym with the director and kind of you know this was him and they had their space and you sort of you know stood your side of the elevator and kept your mouth shut but Bush would walk down the hall shaking hand I hello I’m George Bush and I want you to know I think this is a wonderful innovation and I’m really happy to be here and I really love working with people like you what’s your name and which just it just didn’t work you know he was campaigning right there in the halls it didn’t work to gain anyone’s respect one thing that came out of it apparently and reconstructing all of the details will never be done history will never give us this unless someone involved writes a good book and I don’t think they will in this case but it was during his tenure that there was the bombing in Washington circling in Washington Orlando Letelier and running Moffitt by some some CI people from the operation Mongoose the project-40 destabilization of Cuba and he’s people were Chileans who had been with a yen day government Chileans but also Cuban exiles who right we’re in X X it was the operation was run by the Chileans Dina but people were actually involved were from this Cuban exile community now this was the community that had worked for about four intense years under Kennedy and then Johnson and then johnson shut it down to destabilize Fidel’s cuba in the early days of their revolution and then johnson cut it all now when johnson it was bloody it was a big one Cronkite did a show on it dan Rather did a show on it years later it was it was hundreds and hundreds of sorties and boat raids flown and you know burning crops swine fever and hog population bombs and department stores white phosphorus grenades in schools kidnapping and murder it was a really vicious thing now blowing up airplane blowing up airplanes absolutely now when these people were cut off by the CIA under Johnson under his orders they they were set free with all their skills but also with the tolerance of the entire Florida legal structure who had been warned off all these years well this is CIA national security you let that boat of arms go through and of course those boats of arms began to go and come with drugs so when they were cut off they had the skills the Train the violence and the license and they immediately became a big mafia in Florida and went into murdering and bombing and killing and and then taking it up to New York bombing and bombing trying to bomb the Cuban mission trying to bomb the United Nations lots of bombings and killings this one Dubois shoe just came back into the country had been caught trying to fire a bazooka at a Polish freighter they had tasks for setup to study this crime problem of the Cuban exiles and concluding that it was virtually unsolvable during Bush’s tenure the CIA cut a deal with these people saying enough is enough but political you simply have to get out of the country to keep this tank cool it inside the United States and they went out of the country in September of 76 and had this meeting in the Bahamas where they form this carew organization which one month later in October blew up the Cubano airliner I was taking off from Barbados that had the fencing team in santiago santiago alvarez wife and child a filmmakers wife and child on and 76 other people now this deal the contacts that were made with bush with these people at that time Rhea Rhea Pierre when he has Don Gregg on his staff as vice president with Felix Rodriguez who was a ranking member of that Cuban community who was with Don Gregg in Vietnam and then you have chichi Quintero and the others working with with Rodriguez in the Contra program and George Bush’s son down in in in Florida going on television literally arm in arm in December of 85 literally arm in arm with ten X’s from this Cuban exile destabilization of Cuba program so this apparently is where George Bush da feat Ivy Leaguer got plugged into that mafia and they got their hooks into him made the contacts that led eventually the situation where today one of them Noriega is able to say I have George Bush by the ball see this mind you mind you the CIA had Noriega on on its payroll 200,000 he was g2 of the army and Omar Torrijos died in a mysterious plane crash and Noriega becomes the leader of the country my guess we do not have this confirmed we do have it confirmed that the CI had him on a payroll now my guess is that at that time if it was not plotted by the CIA or plotted by Noriega himself killing and Torrio’s so Noriega could take power however that happened in detail some CI case officers were writing very high in their little office of the CIA because their agent was now in charge of Panama what evolve past that though of course is Noriega has personality of his own and eventually he’s dealing with the Colombians he’s dealing with Cuba and he’s dealing with Israel and everybody else and eventually began to break the break the sea ice roads and others rules until eventually they turned on him to indict him he was sorry too many drugs on his own well the selling of the drugs that’s been done by people working for the CIA since World War two the kun min OSS station in China was actually paying its bills with heroin and then the the cumin tang that the China adds all those planes that were flying into de Beth and Burma and back into Taiwan that was part that was a subsidy of the Taiwanese economy that was part of why Taiwan flourished a lot of US aid a lot of ingenuity on their part in building factories in one Hut and a steady influx of big heroin drug money with the CIA’s Air American before that the civil air transport flying the stuff for them are the truth going to come out on this issue is there going to be more focus on it or is this just going to disappear like Watergate we still don’t know what happened Watergate I know I think absolutely the iran-contra cover-up last summer this is the proper title it’s not the iran-contra joint Committees of the Congress it’s the iran-contra cover-up that they had a damage control problem had they done their duty to this nation and to the law and to justice there is not a shadow of a doubt President Reagan would have been impeached and George Bush would have been impeached even now there’s a possibility if George Bush doesn’t win the presidency that he could wind up in jail because if he gets some way if there’s no ed Meese in there protecting their agenda then you know if you put in a real Attorney General who started encouraging the attorneys to pursue these things you bet you’re going to wind up with some prosecutions I think Dukakis will will go to great lengths to avoid going for the jugular they do not want to lose the people’s credibility they the Democrats they do caucus to lose the people’s trust in the way they would if they brought out the whole truth and impeached Reagan and jail George Bush and I assume that you’re a Dukakis supporter instead of the WAMP right Oh still Jackson well I’m I’m a jackson supporter at this point and I will probably vote this time for Dukakis against Bush I did not vote for Mondale I could not vote for him because he advocated arms and he advocated the Contra program in Central America and for whatever it was worth I could not vote for him what Dukakis does visa V Jackson and our agenda what I call the NPR listeners in this country the people who think and read and study the alternative views watch the alternative views much better absolutely now these these people in this country are represented most closely by Jackson and and if Dukakis spurns us and puts in a senator Bentsen as a running mate or someone yet more conservative and chops us off then there’s going to be a decision time what will Jackson do will he play ball this time and stick with the Democratic Party or would he perhaps split off next time around and launched a third party even this time now he obviously couldn’t get it going this time in time enough to have a major impact but see the Democratic Party there’s nothing democratic about our system are very little I mean they teach us this in school we talk about democracy all the time but even back in grade school remember where they told you we don’t you know it’s a republic you know we vote for electors who select the president and the two parties control 95% of the votes and of the election process and they structure the laws to make sure that they control it now you do have primaries which sort out the candidates but you also have on the Democratic side for example the six hundred odd super-delegates who are not yet me we’re not voted by anyone they’re just party hacks they have no more claim to to popular to democratic you know vote nobody’s voted for a mate they have no more claim to represent the people then do the party hacks and the soviet union who go in there and vote they come from a region they’re the head of the party unit in that region so they get a vote and that’s a big boy at six hundred votes if that you know if it were broken down to one person one vote in the primary system instead of the fact what is it six hundred to one the impact of votes in texas depending on whether you come from the wrong part of houston or rich ranching county in another part of texas your vote in the primaries has that much difference in clout and effect and impact how’s that can you explain yeah because because of this is what jackson was challenging and railing about in nineteen eighty four was the fact that the votes are not allocated fairly he was trying to get a reduced reduced it’s the old gerrymandering thing the system has been rigged very carefully to make sure that the right parts of town have the most impact at more delegates oh they sixty votes and in a wealthy part of town will equal one delegate six thousand votes on the wrong side of town only for one delegate and that’s across the nation now jackson has cooled it on this issue in nineteen eighty eight in 1984 he was pounding away on this issue get the votes distributed fairly and see what a difference it would make raises us from time to time as well as a super delegate issue had the the electoral or the delegate count been closer between Jackson Dukakis had they got in even or even with Jackson ahead these super delegates would have easily taken it to the targets because they’re the established near these steps and well you see this is what Pat Reuter decided not to run before she said the system didn’t permit her to run and this is what she was talking about she’d been traveling from state to state meeting with the party machinery and the party machinery was saying no there’s not any chance on the face of the earth that we will support you we’ve made that decision and so she came to the conclusion and then she was assessing how much money she could raise she could raise a little money but not enough to overpower the party and make the party accept her so she had to decide not to run on business decision well who knows if Jackson been present you might have been next head of the CIA no way you could have shut it down week ago what I sincerely hope will come out of this if Dukakis does not include Jackson as vice president is that Jackson will pull out and give us another party they’re estimating by the turn of the century one third of every citizen of this country will be of the so-called minorities if you take that and their interests added into their perceptions added into the the alternative views Watchers the NPR listeners we might very well come up with a party that would be strong enough to reverse the system the system itself to make a major impact on the whole structure of US political society

‘I’m not sure I’ve even heard of a category 5’ says Donald Trump about Hurricane Dorian


Americans are strong,
determined and resilient and we will support
each other and we will work very
hard to minimise the effect of what’s coming at us. We don’t even know
what’s coming at us. All we know is it’s
possibly the biggest. I am not sure that I’ve ever
even heard of a category five. I knew it existed and I’ve
seen some category 4s, you don’t even see them
that much. But a category 5 is something
that I don’t know that I’ve ever even heard
the term other than I know it’s there. That’s the ultimate and
that’s what we have unfortunately.

Donald Trump’s Disastrous Hurricane Dorian Response | The Daily Show


The Bahamas has just been hit with one of the worst hurricanes
ever recorded. And with it being reported
that 13,000 homes may have been destroyed, this island nation is gonna need
as much help as they can get. So please donate if you can. Everybody’s gonna need it. And, you know,
whenever I see this, I always ask myself, I go, like, “Why do hurricanes
always destroy the most beautiful places
on Earth?” Like, I wish
hurricanes hit places we actually wanted to rebuild,
you know? Like, why doesn’t a hurricane
hit LaGuardia Airport? Huh? Yeah. That would be great. Then we could start over from
scratch and fix that shithole. -(laughter)
-Anyway, the chances are the hurricane will be like,
“LaGuardia? (bleep) that. No. “They don’t even have a place
to charge your phone. I’m not going there.” So Hurricane Dorian
has slammed into the Bahamas, and now it is headed
towards the U.S. The good news is, President
Trump has a lot of experience handling hurricanes
of this magnitude. The bad news is, he doesn’t
remember any of his experience. NEWSWOMAN:
The president appeared baffled by the storm’s intensity… I’m not sure that I’ve ever
even heard of a Category 5. I knew it existed. NEWSWOMAN:
…even though there have been four Category 5 hurricanes
since he’s been in office. It’s not the first time
he’s claimed surprise about the common term. Category 5. Never heard
about Category 5’s before. Category 5 is big stuff. Category 5. Nobody’s ever heard
of a 5 hitting land. It actually touched down
as a Category 5. People have never…
seen anything like that. I never even knew
a Category 5 existed. Okay, this…
this is just weird, man. Every time
a Category 5 storm comes, Trump acts like
it’s never happened before? It must be so strange working
for Donald Trump. Can you imagine what it’s like,
people just coming in, “Mr. President,
the hurricane is a Category 5.” (like Trump):
“Wow, Category 5. That’s never happened before.” “No, sir,
they happen all the time.” “What does?”
“The Category 5.” “Wow! That’s
never happened before!” (laughter) And I don’t know if Trump
was having a slow weekend, or if the barometric pressure
from the storm did something to his brain,
because not only did he forget how big the storm was, but he
forgot where it was going. NEWSMAN:
The president also misstated the storm’s
possible trajectory. Alabama could even be in for… at least some very strong winds,
and something more than that. It could be. So for Alabama,
just please be careful, also. NEWSMAN: Not long after that,
the National Weather Service corrected the president,
saying Alabama will not see any impacts from Dorian. Yeah. Trump had to be corrected
by the National Weather Service. And I know
we’re used to it by now, but it still amazes me
how often the government has to tell you not to pay
attention to the president. Yeah, Trump is like your friend
who you’re driving home from a wisdom tooth surgery,
he’s all drugged up, yelling crazy shit
out the window, like, “There’s a dragon
in the next car!” It’s like, “No, Donald, that’s
just a hipster with a vape. -Calm down!”
-(laughter) And I-I feel bad
for anyone in Alabama. ‘Cause can you imagine
if people in Alabama heard Trump and they took it seriously? People were probably
saying things that they wouldn’t normally say ’cause they think a hurricane
is coming for them. You can’t take
that shit back. Huh? There’s probably one family
who was loading up the car, like, “Quick, kids,
get the Xbox, let’s go.” It’s like, “What about Grandma?”
“Grandma doesn’t play Fortnite! “Get her out of here!
She’s dead weight! What? No hurricane? All right,
Grandma, I’m sorry about that.” So wherever it’s headed, this
hurricane is serious business. But, unfortunately, serious business is not
Donald Trump’s specialty. While Hurricane Dorian
was hitting the Bahamas, President Trump
was hitting the links. On Monday,
the president played golf at his Trump National Golf Club
in Virginia. Aides say he did receive
hourly briefings on the storm. We should remind you
President Trump had canceled a diplomatic trip to Poland set
to mark the 80th anniversary of the beginning
of World War II, in order, his aides said,
to better monitor the storm. Yep. Many people were outraged
when they found out the president went golfing
as a hurricane barreled down on the east coast
of the United States. But, in Trump’s defense, golf is a great way
to monitor a hurricane. Yeah. You’re just like,
“Uh, I think it’s coming. I think it’s coming.
Is it?” You’re just like, “Let me see.
(makes whooshing sound) “Oh, that went way off. “Yeah, that’s the hurricane.
that’s not me. The hurricane’s close.” So when it comes to hurricanes, President Trump doesn’t remember
the category, he doesn’t know
where they’re going, and he’s not even really
paying attention. Luckily, he does have a way
to stop them. TV REPORTER: As Dorian churns,
so are ideas about how to stop hurricanes
in their tracks. Why? This report in Axios, that President Trump suggested
on multiple occasions that national security
officials explore disrupting the storms by dropping a nuke right into
the middle of them. Now, during a recent
White House briefing, Axios quotes
the president saying, “I got it, I got it,
why don’t we nuke them? “They start forming off
the coast of Africa, “as they’re moving across
the Atlantic, “we drop a bomb inside
the eye of the hurricane “and it disrupts it. Why can’t we do that?” Well, the briefer reportedly
replied, “We’ll look into it.” (laughter) Something tells me
Trump hears the phrase, “We’ll look into it”
about 50 times a day. He just says random shit like, (mimics Trump): “What if Oreos
had the cream on the outside and the cookie on the inside?” (normal voice):
“Uh, we’ll look into it, sir.” (laughter) Now, as president,
you should know that nuking a hurricane is
a terrible idea, all right. Not only will it
not stop the hurricane, but now you have nuclear fallout
being spread by 200-mile an hour winds. The stuff’s gonna go everywhere. It’s like taking a dump
into an open Vitamix. It’s not a good idea. Not to mention the effects
on the ocean. You’ve got nuclear waste going– I mean, Osama bin Laden
is in the ocean. You drop a nuke,
next thing you know, you’re 20 dealing with
Godzilla bin Laden. You don’t know what
that shit will do. (laughter) So, look. I know people get mad when they see Trump playing golf
as a hurricane is closing in, but after everything
we’ve heard, I think the less involved
Trump is with this hurricane,
the better it is. Think about it.
He doesn’t know how big it is. He doesn’t know
where it’s going, and he’s got some batshit ideas
for stopping it. So I say
let the man play his golf, because if we don’t
there’s a good chance Trump ends up nuking Alabama.

News Wrap: Supreme Court allows new asylum policy to take effect


AMNA NAWAZ: Democrats in the U.S. House of
Representatives have taken another tentative step towards impeaching President Trump. They set out ground rules today, amid questions
about how ready they are to go further. White House correspondent Yamiche Alcindor
has our report. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Today, Democrats insisted,
no matter what you call the process, the possibility of impeaching President Trump is still on
their minds. REP. JERROLD NADLER (D-NY): Some call this process
an impeachment inquiry. Some call it an impeachment investigation. There is no legal difference between these
terms, and I no longer care to argue about the nomenclature. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: In a party-line vote, the
House Judiciary Committee passed a resolution setting rules for future impeachment investigation
hearings. They allow committee staff to question witnesses
for an hour. They also let the president’s lawyers respond
to testimony only in writing. Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler says the move
was an important step to an effective impeachment investigation of President Trump. REP. JERROLD NADLER: Let me clear up any remaining
doubt: The conduct under investigation poses a threat to our democracy. We have an obligation to respond to this threat. And we are doing so. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: But House Republicans called
the resolution a political scheme. REP. GUY RESCHENTHALER (R-PA): So which is it? Are you starting an impeachment proceeding
or not? Is this just more smoke and mirrors so you
can appease the far left? REP. DAVID CICILLINE (D-RI): Will the gentleman
yield, so he can answer his question? REP. GUY RESCHENTHALER: I yield. REP. DAVID CICILLINE: So, the answer is, yes, we’re
engaged in an impeachment investigation. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: California Republican Tom
McClintock added this: REP. TOM MCCLINTOCK (R-CA): I dare you to do it. In fact, I double-dog-dare you to do it. Have the House vote on those 18 words, and
then go at it. Why won’t you do that? It’s because you want to give the illusion
of impeachment without the reality of it. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Afterwards, Nadler said
the panel would be calling former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski to testify next
week. The White House has blocked some testimony
from other Trump associates. For the “PBS NewsHour,” I’m Yamiche Alcindor. AMNA NAWAZ: The Trump administration began
enforcing a new asylum policy today, after the U.S. Supreme Court allowed it to take
effect nationwide. The change effectively bars most Central American
migrants at the U.S. southern border. They first have to seek asylum in a country
they passed through. Immigration activists denounced the court
order as a death sentence for thousands. And Mexico’s foreign secretary also deplored
the ruling. MARCELO EBRARD, Mexican Foreign Minister (through
translator): The court’s decision is astonishing in the impact that it is going to have, a
court of the United States. So what do we have to do? Create alternatives, so people do not have
to take on those risks. We are concerned about that. AMNA NAWAZ: President Trump tweeted that the
high court’s order was a big win. But it is also temporary, pending the ultimate
outcome of the legal battle over the policy. The Environmental Protection Agency announced
plans today to revoke an Obama era regulation on protecting wetlands and small streams. The agency said extending federal authority
beyond large bodies of water amounted to a — quote — “power grab.” Environmental groups said the move could threaten
drinking water for millions of people. In the Bahamas, meanwhile, officials cut the
number of missing in the aftermath of Hurricane Dorian to 1,300. That’s roughly half the number given a day
earlier. Meanwhile, U.S. officials in Washington announced
$4 million in additional humanitarian aid for the islands, for a total of $10 million
so far. MARK GREEN, USAID Administrator: There’s a
long road ahead. I think it’s very clear that the U.S., both
private sector, charitable, for-profit and the public sector, stands with the people
of the Bahamas, and we’re there to help out. And we will be there for some time. AMNA NAWAZ: The hurricane did an estimated
$7 billion in damage across the Bahamas. Forecasters are tracking another tropical
system in the Caribbean. It could bring heavy new rain to the Bahamas
by tomorrow. Back in this country, the U.S. Department
of Education blasted Chicago’s public schools for mishandling sexual abuse claims. A department investigation found what it called
— quote — “tragic and inexcusable problems” in the nation’s third largest school district. The district has been ordered to overhaul
its system for handling student complaints to comply with federal law. Virginia’s lieutenant governor, Justin Fairfax,
sued CBS today for defamation, asking for $400 million in damages. The network had aired interviews with two
women who accused Fairfax of sexual assault. He denied the allegations, and says CBS failed
to properly investigate and fact-check their stories. The network says it stands by its reporting. Initial findings in a scuba boat fire off
Southern California shows all six crew members were asleep when flames broke out early on
September 2. The National Transportation Safety Board reported
today on the blaze that killed 34 people. That came as the burned-out hulk was raised
to the water’s surface. The NTSB says it found no mechanical or electrical
problems that started the fire. The governing body of college sports is sounding
the alarm over a move in California to let student athletes hire agents and sign endorsements. State lawmakers gave final approval last night
to a bill allowing exactly that. The NCAA says it would give California schools
an unfair recruiting advantage, and it warns they could be banned from some competitions. The group is urging Governor Gavin Newsom
to veto the measure. And on Wall Street, the Dow Jones industrial
average gained 45 points to close at 27182. The Nasdaq rose 24 points, and the S&P 500
added eight.

Trump Shows Hurricane Map Apparently Altered By Sharpie | The Beat With Ari Melber | MSNBC


I APPRECIATE IT.>>GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.>>GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.>>MY OTHER PANELISTS STAY AS WE>>MY OTHER PANELISTS STAY AS WE BRING IN ONE OTHER THING THAT WE BRING IN ONE OTHER THING THAT WE ABSOLUTELY HAD TO GET TO. ABSOLUTELY HAD TO GET TO. THIS TRUMP CONTROVERSY THAT IS THIS TRUMP CONTROVERSY THAT IS BEING CALLED SHARPIE GATE. BEING CALLED SHARPIE GATE. IT BEGINS THIS VERY MORNING WITH IT BEGINS THIS VERY MORNING WITH DONALD TRUMP SPEAKING TO DONALD TRUMP SPEAKING TO REPORTERS ABOUT AN ADMITTEDLY REPORTERS ABOUT AN ADMITTEDLY SERIOUS TOPIC HOLDING UP A SERIOUS TOPIC HOLDING UP A POSTER. POSTER. SO FAR SO GOOD. SO FAR SO GOOD. THEN PEOPLE NOTICED BECAUSE IT’S THEN PEOPLE NOTICED BECAUSE IT’S A PUBLIC PRESS EVENT SOMETHING A PUBLIC PRESS EVENT SOMETHING WEIRD THAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP. WEIRD THAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP. IT APPEARED SOMEONE DREW ON AN IT APPEARED SOMEONE DREW ON AN EXTRA PART TO MAKE IT APPEAR AS EXTRA PART TO MAKE IT APPEAR AS IF ALABAMA MIGHT ALSO BE IN THE IF ALABAMA MIGHT ALSO BE IN THE STORM’S PATH WHICH IT WASN’T. STORM’S PATH WHICH IT WASN’T. YOU SEE IT RIGHT HERE. YOU SEE IT RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART BECAUSE THAT EXTRA LINE WHICH BECAUSE THAT EXTRA LINE WHICH APPEARS TO BE DRAWN IN A SHARPIE APPEARS TO BE DRAWN IN A SHARPIE MARKER. MARKER. NOTICE IT DOESN’T MATCH THE NOTICE IT DOESN’T MATCH THE UNDERLYING WHITE LINE USED FOR UNDERLYING WHITE LINE USED FOR THE PATH OF THE STORM AND THE THE PATH OF THE STORM AND THE CONTEXT IS AS PETTY AS IT IS CONTEXT IS AS PETTY AS IT IS EMBARRASSING BECAUSE PEFS HAMHE EMBARRASSING BECAUSE PEFS HAMHE HAMMERED FOR AN ERROR OF HIS OWN HAMMERED FOR AN ERROR OF HIS OWN MAKING WHICH HE CLAIMED MIGHT MAKING WHICH HE CLAIMED MIGHT HIT ALABAMA WHICH WAS SO FLATLY HIT ALABAMA WHICH WAS SO FLATLY WRONG, THERE WAS NO WAY TO WRONG, THERE WAS NO WAY TO DEFEND IT. DEFEND IT. GOVERNMENT FORECASTERS HAD TO GOVERNMENT FORECASTERS HAD TO COME OUT AND CORRECT THEIR OWN COME OUT AND CORRECT THEIR OWN SUPERVISOR, THE PRESIDENT. SUPERVISOR, THE PRESIDENT. WHO ALTERED THE MAP? WHO ALTERED THE MAP? WHY DID THEY USE A BLACK SHARPIE WHY DID THEY USE A BLACK SHARPIE INSTEAD OF A WHITE LINE THAT INSTEAD OF A WHITE LINE THAT MIGHT LOOK MORE REALISTIC? MIGHT LOOK MORE REALISTIC? I CAN’T TELL YOU WE KNOW AT THIS I CAN’T TELL YOU WE KNOW AT THIS TIME BUT I CAN GIVE YOU THE TIME BUT I CAN GIVE YOU THE EVIDENCE. EVIDENCE. WE NO THE PRESIDENT HAS AN WE NO THE PRESIDENT HAS AN AFFINITY FOR THE SHARPIE MARKER. AFFINITY FOR THE SHARPIE MARKER. HE USES THEM TO SIGN OFFICIAL HE USES THEM TO SIGN OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS. GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS. HE USES THEM FOR NOTES BEFORE HE HE USES THEM FOR NOTES BEFORE HE SPEAKS PUBLICLY AND HE USES THEM SPEAKS PUBLICLY AND HE USES THEM EVEN TO WRITE THICKLY WORDED EVEN TO WRITE THICKLY WORDED ANGRY NOTES TO REPORTERS AND ANGRY NOTES TO REPORTERS AND COLUMNIST EVEN UNDERLYING THE COLUMNIST EVEN UNDERLYING THE WORDS. WORDS. YOU SEE RACIST A NOTE HE SENT TO YOU SEE RACIST A NOTE HE SENT TO THE WASHINGTON POST JONATHAN THE WASHINGTON POST JONATHAN CAPEHART. CAPEHART. HE LIKES SHARPIES SO MUCH IT HE LIKES SHARPIES SO MUCH IT CAME UP AS A TOPIC IN AN CAME UP AS A TOPIC IN AN INTERVIEW HE DID. INTERVIEW HE DID.>>THAT’S A SHARPIE.>>THAT’S A SHARPIE. I SAY THIS WRITES MUCH BETTER I SAY THIS WRITES MUCH BETTER AND THIS COSTS ALMOST NOTHING AS AND THIS COSTS ALMOST NOTHING AS THE PEN IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. THE PEN IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. I CALLED UP THE FOLKS AT SHARPIE I CALLED UP THE FOLKS AT SHARPIE AND I SAID DO ME A FAVOR, CAN AND I SAID DO ME A FAVOR, CAN YOU MAKE THE PEN IN BLACK, MAKE YOU MAKE THE PEN IN BLACK, MAKE IT LOOK RICH. IT LOOK RICH. THEY SAID WE CAN PUT YOUR THEY SAID WE CAN PUT YOUR SIGNATURE ON. SIGNATURE ON. THAT’S YOUR SIGNATURE RIGHT THAT’S YOUR SIGNATURE RIGHT THERE. THERE. THIS COSTS PRACTICALLY NOTHING THIS COSTS PRACTICALLY NOTHING AND THE OTHER ONE WAS IMMENSELY AND THE OTHER ONE WAS IMMENSELY EXPENSIVE AND YOU GIVE THEM OUT. EXPENSIVE AND YOU GIVE THEM OUT. MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING IT MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING IT WRITES WELL SO IT WORKS OUT WRITES WELL SO IT WORKS OUT GOOD. GOOD. I DON’T WANT TO MAKE THIS A I DON’T WANT TO MAKE THIS A COMMERCIAL FOR SHARPIE BUT IT’S COMMERCIAL FOR SHARPIE BUT IT’S A COMMERCIAL ON SAVING MONEY A COMMERCIAL ON SAVING MONEY TOO. TOO.>>I DON’T KNOW.>>I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T KNOW. THERE’S SO MUCH THERE. THERE’S SO MUCH THERE. THERE ARE MANY PROBLEMS. THERE ARE MANY PROBLEMS. DONALD TRUMP TOUTING HE DID TRY DONALD TRUMP TOUTING HE DID TRY TO REACH OUT THE FOLKS AT TO REACH OUT THE FOLKS AT SHARPIE TO GET A PERSONALIZE SHARPIE TO GET A PERSONALIZE PEN. PEN. ALSO YOU’RE THE PRESIDENT. ALSO YOU’RE THE PRESIDENT. ANY WAY, WHAT IS SERIOUS HERE ANY WAY, WHAT IS SERIOUS HERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FOOTAGE IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FOOTAGE IS WHETHER THAT EXTRA LOOPING LINE WHETHER THAT EXTRA LOOPING LINE WAS DRAWN BY THE PRESIDENT OF WAS DRAWN BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IN A LIE TO THE UNITED STATES IN A LIE TO DEFEND A GAFFE HE MADE THAT DID DEFEND A GAFFE HE MADE THAT DID HAVE SECURITY IMPLICATIONS TO HAVE SECURITY IMPLICATIONS TO MAKE UP FOR IT. MAKE UP FOR IT.>>IT ALMOST LOOKED LIKE A>>IT ALMOST LOOKED LIKE A SHARPIE. SHARPIE.>>I DON’T KNOW.>>I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T KNOW.>>ELENORE, THE THING IS I WANT>>ELENORE, THE THING IS I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR. TO BE VERY CLEAR. THE SERIOUS PART IS THE ERROR HE THE SERIOUS PART IS THE ERROR HE MADE WHICH THE WEATHER SERVICE MADE WHICH THE WEATHER SERVICE HAD TO CORRECT AND WE’VE BEEN HAD TO CORRECT AND WE’VE BEEN COVERING THAT. COVERING THAT. THE RIDICULOUS PART IS THE THE RIDICULOUS PART IS THE SHARPIE GATE. SHARPIE GATE. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS VERY WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS VERY 2019 STORY? 2019 STORY?>>I WANT TO LAUGH BUT SOMETHING>>I WANT TO LAUGH BUT SOMETHING INSIDE IS TELLING ME, DO NOT INSIDE IS TELLING ME, DO NOT LAUGH. LAUGH. HE MUCKED WITH A WEATHER REPORT HE MUCKED WITH A WEATHER REPORT THAT HAD REAL CONSEQUENCES FOR THAT HAD REAL CONSEQUENCES FOR PEOPLE IN THE PATH OF THAT STORM PEOPLE IN THE PATH OF THAT STORM WHO ARE ON HIS TWITTER ACCOUNT. WHO ARE ON HIS TWITTER ACCOUNT. WHO TAKE EVERY WORD HE SAYS WHO TAKE EVERY WORD HE SAYS SERIOUSLY AND ALABAMA IS A STATE SERIOUSLY AND ALABAMA IS A STATE THAT WENT FOR HIM BY HUMONGOUS THAT WENT FOR HIM BY HUMONGOUS NUMBER OF POINTS BUT WHY WOULD NUMBER OF POINTS BUT WHY WOULD HE WANT TO INCLUDE ALABAMA. HE WANT TO INCLUDE ALABAMA. THERE’S NO POLITICAL REASON. THERE’S NO POLITICAL REASON. I THINK HE JUST WASN’T PAYING I THINK HE JUST WASN’T PAYING ATTENTION OR HE DOESN’T KNOW HIS ATTENTION OR HE DOESN’T KNOW HIS GEOGRAPHY AND HE SAID IT AND HE GEOGRAPHY AND HE SAID IT AND HE CANNOT ADMIT ANY KIND OF MISTAKE CANNOT ADMIT ANY KIND OF MISTAKE EVEN AN HON MISEST MISTAKE. EVEN AN HON MISEST MISTAKE. HEE HEE HE’S NOW DOUBLING AND TRIPLING HE’S NOW DOUBLING AND TRIPLING AND KWAUQUADRUPLEING. AND KWAUQUADRUPLEING. WHATEVER THEY DO IN GYMNASTICS. WHATEVER THEY DO IN GYMNASTICS.>>YOU ALMOST GET THE IMPRESSION>>YOU ALMOST GET THE IMPRESSION THIS IS SOMEONE WHO DOES A LOT THIS IS SOMEONE WHO DOES A LOT OF CROSS WORD PUZZLE IN PEN. OF CROSS WORD PUZZLE IN PEN.>>I DON’T THINK SO.>>I DON’T THINK SO.>>MARIA.>>MARIA.>>DOWNLOAD THE APP.>>DOWNLOAD THE APP. THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS HE IS THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS HE IS POTENTIALLY DIVERTING MUCH POTENTIALLY DIVERTING MUCH NEEDED RESOURCES TO THE ACTUAL NEEDED RESOURCES TO THE ACTUAL VICTIMS NOT ONLY ALSO CREATING VICTIMS NOT ONLY ALSO CREATING POTENTIAL CHAOS FOR PEOPLE IN POTENTIAL CHAOS FOR PEOPLE IN ALABAMA. ALABAMA. LEGALLY, BY LAW, WHEN YOU LEGALLY, BY LAW, WHEN YOU MISREPRESENT WEATHER REPORTS, MISREPRESENT WEATHER REPORTS, THAT’S A CRIME. THAT’S A CRIME. I WONDER IF THE DEMOCRATS MIGHT I WONDER IF THE DEMOCRATS MIGHT FIND GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT FIND GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT SINCE HE KEPT REPEATING IT OVER SINCE HE KEPT REPEATING IT OVER AND OVER. AND OVER. I GIST. I GIST. I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS HE I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS HE CAN’T ADMIT WHEN HE’S WRONG AND CAN’T ADMIT WHEN HE’S WRONG AND WHEN YOU HAVE LEADERSHIP, YOU WHEN YOU HAVE LEADERSHIP, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO ADMIT WHEN WANT TO BE ABLE TO ADMIT WHEN YOU’RE WRONG SO WHEN YOU MAKE YOU’RE WRONG SO WHEN YOU MAKE MISTAKE, PEOPLE TAKE YOUR MISTAKE, PEOPLE TAKE YOUR CONFIDENCE IN SAYING THAT WAS AN CONFIDENCE IN SAYING THAT WAS AN ERROR. ERROR. I HAD A SLIP OF THE TONGUE BUT I HAD A SLIP OF THE TONGUE BUT THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESOURCES ARE SURE THAT THE RESOURCES ARE GOING TO FLORIDA. GOING TO FLORIDA. THAT THEY ARE GOING TO NORTH THAT THEY ARE GOING TO NORTH CAROLINA AND OUR PRAYERS ARE CAROLINA AND OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH THE PEOPLE FROM THE WITH THE PEOPLE FROM THE BAHAMAS. BAHAMAS. HE DOESN’T HAVE THE GRACE TO DO HE DOESN’T HAVE THE GRACE TO DO THAT. THAT.>>THIS ALSO GOES TO SOMETHING>>THIS ALSO GOES TO SOMETHING WE KNOW FROM BEING PRACTICED IN WE KNOW FROM BEING PRACTICED IN REPORTING AND JOURNALISM WHICH REPORTING AND JOURNALISM WHICH IS THIS IS WHAT WE’RE SEEING. IS THIS IS WHAT WE’RE SEEING. THIS IS THE CLUMSY PUBLIC EFFORT THIS IS THE CLUMSY PUBLIC EFFORT WITH THE SHARPIE. WITH THE SHARPIE. HOW MANY TIMES ARE SERIOUS HOW MANY TIMES ARE SERIOUS SECURITY PEAIECES BEING SECURITY PEAIECES BEING COMPROMISED IN PRIVATE SETTINGS. COMPROMISED IN PRIVATE SETTINGS. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THIS. THIS. IT’S A QUICK ONE. IT’S A QUICK ONE.>>ALL RIGHT.>>ALL RIGHT.>>DID THE BLACK SHARPIE FOOL>>DID THE BLACK SHARPIE FOOL YOU AT ANY POINT OR DID IT LOOK YOU AT ANY POINT OR DID IT LOOK DIFFERENT ENOUGH FROM THE WHITE DIFFERENT ENOUGH FROM THE WHITE LINE THAT YOU WERE NOT TAKEN IN? LINE THAT YOU WERE NOT TAKEN IN?>>YOU KNOW, I WASN’T PAYING>>YOU KNOW, I WASN’T PAYING THAT CLOSE BUT IF YOU GET CLOSE THAT CLOSE BUT IF YOU GET CLOSE TO THE TELEVISION SCREEN AND YOU TO THE TELEVISION SCREEN AND YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN SEE IT’S AN LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN SEE IT’S AN OBVIOUS ADDITION. OBVIOUS ADDITION. THE PRESS POINTED IT OUT SO THE PRESS POINTED IT OUT SO QUICKLY THAT I FELT I DISCOVERED QUICKLY THAT I FELT I DISCOVERED IT MYSELF. IT MYSELF.>>WELL, SOMETIMES PEOPLE IN>>WELL, SOMETIMES PEOPLE IN OFFICE, IN ALL PARTS HUMILIATE OFFICE, IN ALL PARTS HUMILIATE THEMSELVES. THEMSELVES. THIS MAY BE ONE OF THOSE TIMES. THIS MAY BE ONE OF THOSE TIMES. THE FACT CHECK DIDN’T REQUIRE A THE FACT CHECK DIDN’T REQUIRE A TON OF TIME OR EFFORT AS LONG AS TON OF TIME OR EFFORT AS LONG AS YOU COULD SEE.

Joe: This Is About Being True To America’s Greatest Values | Morning Joe | MSNBC


>>>AT LEAST 2,500 PEOPLE ARE>>>AT LEAST 2,500 PEOPLE ARE REPORTED MISSING IN THE BAHAMAS REPORTED MISSING IN THE BAHAMAS AFTER HURRICANE DORIAN. AFTER HURRICANE DORIAN. BAHAMIAN OFFICIALS SAID THE LIST BAHAMIAN OFFICIALS SAID THE LIST COULD SHRINK BECAUSE THE NAMES COULD SHRINK BECAUSE THE NAMES HAVE NOT BEEN CHECKED AGAINST HAVE NOT BEEN CHECKED AGAINST THOSE STAYING IN SHELTERS. THOSE STAYING IN SHELTERS. AT LEAST 50 PEOPLE ARE CONFIRMED AT LEAST 50 PEOPLE ARE CONFIRMED DEAD AS A RESULT OF THE CATEGORY DEAD AS A RESULT OF THE CATEGORY FIVE STORM THAT STRUCK THE FIVE STORM THAT STRUCK THE ISLANDS EARLY NEXT WEEK AND THAT ISLANDS EARLY NEXT WEEK AND THAT NUMBER IS EXECED TO RISE. NUMBER IS EXECED TO RISE. OIL IS NOW CONTAMINATING PART OF OIL IS NOW CONTAMINATING PART OF THE COASTLINE OF THE BAHAMAS THE COASTLINE OF THE BAHAMAS DAYS AFTER A NORWEGIAN COMPANY DAYS AFTER A NORWEGIAN COMPANY REPORTED THE HURRICANE HAD BLOWN REPORTED THE HURRICANE HAD BLOWN THE TOPS OFF OIL STORAGE TANKS THE TOPS OFF OIL STORAGE TANKS ON GRAND BAHAMA ISLAND. ON GRAND BAHAMA ISLAND. THE OIL COMPANY DISCLOSED THE OIL COMPANY DISCLOSED YESTERDAY THE HOYLE BEEN SPOTTED YESTERDAY THE HOYLE BEEN SPOTTED IN THE OPEN WATERS ALONG THE IN THE OPEN WATERS ALONG THE SAME COAST AS THE TERMINAL AND SAME COAST AS THE TERMINAL AND IT WAS INVESTIGATING THE ORIGIN IT WAS INVESTIGATING THE ORIGIN OF THAT SPILL. OF THAT SPILL. GOVERNMENT SAYS THEY WILL TAKE GOVERNMENT SAYS THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF THE SPILL AS SOON AS THE CARE OF THE SPILL AS SOON AS THE TOP PRIORITY, TAKING CARE OF ITS TOP PRIORITY, TAKING CARE OF ITS PEOPLE, HAS BEEN SECURED. PEOPLE, HAS BEEN SECURED. MEANWHILE, THOSE TRYING TO FLEE MEANWHILE, THOSE TRYING TO FLEE THE BAHAMAS CAN COME TO THE THE BAHAMAS CAN COME TO THE UNITED STATES TEMPORARILY BUT UNITED STATES TEMPORARILY BUT WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO LIVE AND WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO LIVE AND WORK IN THIS CAN’T. WORK IN THIS CAN’T. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAD THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAD BEEN DEBATING WHETHER TO GIVE BEEN DEBATING WHETHER TO GIVE TEMPORARY PROTECTED STAT TO US TEMPORARY PROTECTED STAT TO US BAHAMIANS DISPLACED BY HURRICANE BAHAMIANS DISPLACED BY HURRICANE DORIAN. DORIAN. BUT AN ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL BUT AN ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL TELLS NBC NEWS THEY WILL BE TELLS NBC NEWS THEY WILL BE ALLOWED INTO THE U.S. IF THEY ALLOWED INTO THE U.S. IF THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TRAVEL DOCUMENTS, HAVE THE RIGHT TRAVEL DOCUMENTS, BUT WILL NOT BE GRANTED WORK BUT WILL NOT BE GRANTED WORK PERMITS. PERMITS. THE STATUS WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THE STATUS WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO WORK AND LIVE IN THE THEM TO WORK AND LIVE IN THE U.S. UNTIL IT IS SAFE TO RETURN U.S. UNTIL IT IS SAFE TO RETURN HOME. HOME. TEMPORARILY PROTECTED STATUS IS TEMPORARILY PROTECTED STATUS IS CURRENTLY GRANTED TO MORE THAN CURRENTLY GRANTED TO MORE THAN 300,000 PEOPLE LIVING IN THE 300,000 PEOPLE LIVING IN THE U.S., INCLUDING VICTIMS OF U.S., INCLUDING VICTIMS OF HAITI’S 2010 EARTHQUAKE. HAITI’S 2010 EARTHQUAKE. LET’S BRING IN NBC NEWS LET’S BRING IN NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT JULIA AINSLIE CORRESPONDENT JULIA AINSLIE WHO’S BEEN COVERING THIS STORY. WHO’S BEEN COVERING THIS STORY. SO, JULIA, WHAT DISTINCTION DOES SO, JULIA, WHAT DISTINCTION DOES THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION MAKE IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION MAKE IN THIS CASE VERSUS, SAY, THE THIS CASE VERSUS, SAY, THE HAITIAN FOLKS WHO CAME HERE HAITIAN FOLKS WHO CAME HERE AFTER THAT HORRIBLE EARTHQUAKE? AFTER THAT HORRIBLE EARTHQUAKE? WHY IS THIS TIME DIFFERENT AND WHY IS THIS TIME DIFFERENT AND WHY WON’T THESE PEOPLE BE GIVEN WHY WON’T THESE PEOPLE BE GIVEN TEMPORARY STATUS? TEMPORARY STATUS?>>SEEMS TO ME IT’S POLITICAL.>>SEEMS TO ME IT’S POLITICAL. YOU LOOK AT THE WAY TEMPORARY YOU LOOK AT THE WAY TEMPORARY STATUS WAS GIVEN IN THE PAST. STATUS WAS GIVEN IN THE PAST. IT WASN’T CARTE BLANCHE TO IT WASN’T CARTE BLANCHE TO EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY, BUT EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY, BUT THERE WOULD BE A DATE AND TIME. THERE WOULD BE A DATE AND TIME. YOU PICK TODAY, SEPTEMBER 12th YOU PICK TODAY, SEPTEMBER 12th AND SAID ANYONE HERE FROM THE AND SAID ANYONE HERE FROM THE BAHAMAS IS GRANTED TEMPORARY BAHAMAS IS GRANTED TEMPORARY PROTECTED STATUS. PROTECTED STATUS. ANYONE WHO COMES AFTER THAT WILL ANYONE WHO COMES AFTER THAT WILL NOT BE. NOT BE. THAT’S THE WAY IT’S BEEN DONE IN THAT’S THE WAY IT’S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. THE PAST. BUT IN THIS CASE THE TRUMP BUT IN THIS CASE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS DECIDED NOT ADMINISTRATION HAS DECIDED NOT TO GO FORWARD WITH TEMPORARY TO GO FORWARD WITH TEMPORARY PROTECTED STATUS WITH PEOPLE PROTECTED STATUS WITH PEOPLE FROM THE BAHAMAS WHO WERE FROM THE BAHAMAS WHO WERE LEAVING HURRICANE DORIAN. LEAVING HURRICANE DORIAN. AND IN LARGE PART BECAUSE THIS AND IN LARGE PART BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT LIKE. ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT LIKE. THEY HAVE TRIED TO END IT FOR THEY HAVE TRIED TO END IT FOR COUNTLESS OTHER COUNTRIES, SOME COUNTLESS OTHER COUNTRIES, SOME THEY HAVE. THEY HAVE. IT’S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WHO IT’S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE FANS OF STEPHEN MILLER HAVE ARE FANS OF STEPHEN MILLER HAVE BEEN FIGHTING AGAINST BECAUSE BEEN FIGHTING AGAINST BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT IT GIVES PEOPLE THEY THINK THAT IT GIVES PEOPLE TOO LONG TO LIVE HERE. TOO LONG TO LIVE HERE. OFTEN THEY COULD STAY TEN OR 15 OFTEN THEY COULD STAY TEN OR 15 YEARS BECAUSE IT TAKES SO LONG YEARS BECAUSE IT TAKES SO LONG FOR THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO BE FOR THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO BE DEEMED SAFE. DEEMED SAFE. SO IN THIS CASE IT SEEMS TO BE SO IN THIS CASE IT SEEMS TO BE ROOTED IN THE ADMINISTRATION’S ROOTED IN THE ADMINISTRATION’S BELIEFS ABOUT IMMIGRATION MORE BELIEFS ABOUT IMMIGRATION MORE SO THAN THE ACTUAL CONDITIONS ON SO THAN THE ACTUAL CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND THERE IN THE BAHAMAS. THE GROUND THERE IN THE BAHAMAS.>>JULIA, WHEN YOU WERE HERE A>>JULIA, WHEN YOU WERE HERE A COUPLE DAYS AGO WE WERE TALKING COUPLE DAYS AGO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE BAHAMIAN PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT THE BAHAMIAN PEOPLE WOULD NEED TO COME TO THE UNITED WOULD NEED TO COME TO THE UNITED STATES AND YOU SAID THEY’D HAVE STATES AND YOU SAID THEY’D HAVE TO HAVE A PASSPORT AND THE RIGHT TO HAVE A PASSPORT AND THE RIGHT TRAVEL DOCUMENTS. TRAVEL DOCUMENTS. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION UNDERLINED THAT AGAIN TODAY. UNDERLINED THAT AGAIN TODAY. IS THAT UNUSUAL? IS THAT UNUSUAL? IS THAT SOMETHING WE’VE SEEN IS THAT SOMETHING WE’VE SEEN BEFORE WHERE THE VICTIMS OF BEFORE WHERE THE VICTIMS OF NATURAL DISASTERS WOULD NEED NATURAL DISASTERS WOULD NEED TRAVEL DOCUMENTS JUST TO ARRIVE TRAVEL DOCUMENTS JUST TO ARRIVE HERE? HERE?>>THEY DO NEED TRAVEL>>THEY DO NEED TRAVEL DOCUMENTS, THEY HAVE IN THE DOCUMENTS, THEY HAVE IN THE PAST, BUT OFTEN THERE’S A LOT OF PAST, BUT OFTEN THERE’S A LOT OF COOPERATION WITH THE HOME COOPERATION WITH THE HOME COUNTRY AND WITH CONSULATES IN COUNTRY AND WITH CONSULATES IN ORDER TO HELP PEOPLE GET ORDER TO HELP PEOPLE GET DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY MIGHT DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO FIND IN THE NOT BE ABLE TO FIND IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT RUBBLE THAT MIDDLE OF THAT RUBBLE THAT YOU’RE SHOWING THERE ON THE YOU’RE SHOWING THERE ON THE SCREEN. SCREEN.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>THERE HAS BEEN SOME>>THERE HAS BEEN SOME COOPERATION. COOPERATION. WE UNDERSTAND, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WE UNDERSTAND, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT FER THAT I WAS FER THAT I WAS FERRY THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO STOP FERRY THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO STOP IN NASSAU, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN IN NASSAU, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TRY TO GET VISAS THERE. ABLE TO TRY TO GET VISAS THERE. THAT FARERY DID NOT COORDINATE THAT FARERY DID NOT COORDINATE WITH AUTHORITIES. WITH AUTHORITIES. BUT IT’S SOMETHING TO KEEP AN BUT IT’S SOMETHING TO KEEP AN EYE ON TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE EYE ON TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO COME HERE. ARE ABLE TO COME HERE. WE DOES UNDERSTAND ABOUT 1500 WE DOES UNDERSTAND ABOUT 1500 PEOPLE AS OF MONDAY WERE ABLE TO PEOPLE AS OF MONDAY WERE ABLE TO COME TO FLORIDA FROM THE COME TO FLORIDA FROM THE BAHAMAS. BAHAMAS. IT’S NOT CLEAR HOW MANY WERE IT’S NOT CLEAR HOW MANY WERE ABLE TO STAY FOR A SIGNIFICANT ABLE TO STAY FOR A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME OR WERE SENT BACK PERIOD OF TIME OR WERE SENT BACK BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE THE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE THE PROPER TRAVEL DOCUMENTS. PROPER TRAVEL DOCUMENTS.>>YOU KNOW, WES, THE ISSUE OF>>YOU KNOW, WES, THE ISSUE OF TRAVEL DOCUMENTS, AS JULIA WAS TRAVEL DOCUMENTS, AS JULIA WAS JUST POINTING OUT AND THE JUST POINTING OUT AND THE PICTURES THAT WE WERE JUST PICTURES THAT WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, MY LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, MY PASSPORT IS IN THE KITCHEN PASSPORT IS IN THE KITCHEN DRAWER BY THE, YOU KNOW, THE DRAWER BY THE, YOU KNOW, THE PLATES AND THE SILVERWARE. PLATES AND THE SILVERWARE. THOSE PICTURES, IT’S GONE. THOSE PICTURES, IT’S GONE. EVERYTHING IS GONE. EVERYTHING IS GONE. BUT IT SEEMS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE BUT IT SEEMS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS TAKEN EXTRAORDINARY MEASURES HAS TAKEN EXTRAORDINARY MEASURES TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM SPECIFIC TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM SPECIFIC NATIONS OF A SPECIFIC SKIN COLOR NATIONS OF A SPECIFIC SKIN COLOR FROM ENTERING THE UNITED STATES FROM ENTERING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. OF AMERICA.>>IT’S AMAZING WHO’S PART OF>>IT’S AMAZING WHO’S PART OF THIS CONVERSATION IN WHO CAN THIS CONVERSATION IN WHO CAN MAKE IT UNDER THE DEADLINE AND MAKE IT UNDER THE DEADLINE AND WHO CAN’T. WHO CAN’T. WE’RE WATCHING TRENDS. WE’RE WATCHING TRENDS. AND THE THING ABOUT IT IS WHEN AND THE THING ABOUT IT IS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HOW ARBITRARY YOU THINK ABOUT HOW ARBITRARY AND MIZERLY THIS PROCESS IS, AS AND MIZERLY THIS PROCESS IS, AS A MOMENT WHEN PEOPLE HAVE LOST A MOMENT WHEN PEOPLE HAVE LOST EVERYTHING, WE’RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING, WE’RE LOOKING AT THEM AND SAYING, AND YOU’RE NOT THEM AND SAYING, AND YOU’RE NOT GOING TO FIND ANY SALVATION GOING TO FIND ANY SALVATION HERE. HERE. WE’RE ASKING MEMPEOPLE WHO ARE WE’RE ASKING MEMPEOPLE WHO ARE FLEEING POVERTY TO COME TO FLEEING POVERTY TO COME TO POVERTY. POVERTY. BECAUSE WE’RE TELLING PEOPLE YOU BECAUSE WE’RE TELLING PEOPLE YOU CAN’T WORK AND STAY HERE CAN’T WORK AND STAY HERE PERMANENTLY. PERMANENTLY. YOU’RE TELLING PEOPLE YOU’RE YOU’RE TELLING PEOPLE YOU’RE FLEEING POVERTY TO COME TO FLEEING POVERTY TO COME TO POVERTY AT A TIME WHEN PEOPLE POVERTY AT A TIME WHEN PEOPLE HAVE LOST EVERYTHING. HAVE LOST EVERYTHING. AND WE’RE LOOKING AT THIS CYCLE AND WE’RE LOOKING AT THIS CYCLE NOW WHERE THESE HUNDRED-YEAR NOW WHERE THESE HUNDRED-YEAR STORMS ARE NOW HAPPENING ON AN STORMS ARE NOW HAPPENING ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. ANNUAL BASIS. HAD GOING TO BE A RECURRING HAD GOING TO BE A RECURRING THEME THAT WE’VE GOT PREPARE FOR THEME THAT WE’VE GOT PREPARE FOR AS A WORLD AND HAVE POLICIES AS A WORLD AND HAVE POLICIES THAT CAN REINFORCE THE BASIC THAT CAN REINFORCE THE BASIC HUMANITY THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING HUMANITY THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO NEED. TO NEED. THINK ABOUT OUR WORK ESPECIALLY THINK ABOUT OUR WORK ESPECIALLY DEALING WITH MIGRANTS — DEALING WITH MIGRANTS –>>AND ROBIN HOOD.>>AND ROBIN HOOD.>>AND ROBIN HOOD, ONE OF THE>>AND ROBIN HOOD, ONE OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE FUND IS SAY PROGRAMS THAT WE FUND IS SAY PROGRAM CALLED I CARE. PROGRAM CALLED I CARE. WHERE ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT IS IS WHERE ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT IS IS PROVIDING IMMIGRATION ATTORNEYS PROVIDING IMMIGRATION ATTORNEYS AND OTHER TYPES OF SUPPORTS TO AND OTHER TYPES OF SUPPORTS TO MIGRANT CHILDREN WHO ARE IN THE MIGRANT CHILDREN WHO ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DEPORTATION HEARINGS. PROCESS OF DEPORTATION HEARINGS. BECAUSE OTHER THAN THAT, THEY’D BECAUSE OTHER THAN THAT, THEY’D BE DEFENDING THEMSELVES. BE DEFENDING THEMSELVES. CHILDREN. CHILDREN. IT GOES BACK TO A BASIC IDEA OF IT GOES BACK TO A BASIC IDEA OF HOOUM HUMANITY. HOOUM HUMANITY. AND WHAT PROUD OF THE FACT THAT AND WHAT PROUD OF THE FACT THAT NEW YORK CITY HAS SEEN THE NEW YORK CITY HAS SEEN THE SUCCESS. SUCCESS. YOU WATCH HOW IF YOU CAN GIVE A YOU WATCH HOW IF YOU CAN GIVE A CHILD IN THAT SITUATION ACTUAL CHILD IN THAT SITUATION ACTUAL LEGAL SUPPORTS THAT THEIR LEGAL SUPPORTS THAT THEIR CHANCES OF SUPPORT AND CHANCE OF CHANCES OF SUPPORT AND CHANCE OF STAYING ACTUALLY SKY ROCKET, STAYING ACTUALLY SKY ROCKET, BASIC LEGAL SUPPORTS. BASIC LEGAL SUPPORTS. BUT IT STILL IS UNDERLINED BY BUT IT STILL IS UNDERLINED BY BASIC FABRIC OF HUMANITY. BASIC FABRIC OF HUMANITY.>>YOU KNOW, WILLIE, IT IS>>YOU KNOW, WILLIE, IT IS REALLY — WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE REALLY — WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE PICTURES AND YOU REALIZE HOW PICTURES AND YOU REALIZE HOW CLOSE THIS IS TO THE UNITED CLOSE THIS IS TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE PAIN STATES OF AMERICA AND THE PAIN AND SUFFERING THAT THESE HUMAN AND SUFFERING THAT THESE HUMAN BEINGS ARE ENDURING, AND THEN BEINGS ARE ENDURING, AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTRY THAT YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTRY THAT DONALD TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT OF, IT’S THE RICHEST COUNTRY ON OF, IT’S THE RICHEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET. THE PLANET. DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF IS THE DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF IS THE BIGGEST SPENDING PRESIDENT OF BIGGEST SPENDING PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME. ALL TIME. THE LARGEST DEFICITS OF ALL THE LARGEST DEFICITS OF ALL TIME. TIME. THE LARGEST DEBT OF ALL TIME. THE LARGEST DEBT OF ALL TIME. THE BIGGEST BUDGET OF ALL TIME THE BIGGEST BUDGET OF ALL TIME THAT EVEN RAND PAUL SAID WAS THE THAT EVEN RAND PAUL SAID WAS THE MOST RECKLESS SPENDING POSSIBLY MOST RECKLESS SPENDING POSSIBLY IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY. IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY. A PENTAGON BUDGET THAT’S THE A PENTAGON BUDGET THAT’S THE BIGGEST BUDGET OF ALL TIME WHERE BIGGEST BUDGET OF ALL TIME WHERE DONALD TRUMP IS ACTUALLY DONALD TRUMP IS ACTUALLY SPENDING MORE MONEY THAN THE SPENDING MORE MONEY THAN THE PENTAGON IS REQUESTING FOR PENTAGON IS REQUESTING FOR PROGRAMS THAT THE PENTAGON PROGRAMS THAT THE PENTAGON DOESN’T WANT. DOESN’T WANT. AND YOU LOOK AT THOSE HUMAN AND YOU LOOK AT THOSE HUMAN BEINGS SUFFERING, WHAT DO THEY BEINGS SUFFERING, WHAT DO THEY NEED? NEED? THEY DON’T NEED AN F-22. THEY DON’T NEED AN F-22. THEY NEED BOTTLES OF WATER. THEY NEED BOTTLES OF WATER. THEY NEED SHELTER. THEY NEED SHELTER. THEY NEED FOOD. THEY NEED FOOD. I SAW THIS IN KATRINA EVERY DAY. I SAW THIS IN KATRINA EVERY DAY. THEIR CHILDREN NEED CLEAN THEIR CHILDREN NEED CLEAN DIAPERS. DIAPERS. THEY NEED THE BASIC NECESSITIES THEY NEED THE BASIC NECESSITIES OF LIFE. OF LIFE. AND IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF AND IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS AND THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS AND THE GRAND SCHEME OF OUR FEDERAL BUDGET, IT’S OUR FEDERAL BUDGET, IT’S SOMETHING WE WOULD NOT FEEL SOMETHING WE WOULD NOT FEEL PECIALLY IN THE AGE OF DONALD PECIALLY IN THE AGE OF DONALD TRUMP AND THE BIGGEST SPENDER IN TRUMP AND THE BIGGEST SPENDER IN U.S. HISTORY. U.S. HISTORY. HE’S TALKING ABOUT A $15 BILLION HE’S TALKING ABOUT A $15 BILLION BAILOUT TO IRAN. BAILOUT TO IRAN. I MEAN, THIS IS, AGAIN, A GUY I MEAN, THIS IS, AGAIN, A GUY THAT GAVE $15 BILLION IN A THAT GAVE $15 BILLION IN A SOCIALIST SCHEME TO THE LARGEST SOCIALIST SCHEME TO THE LARGEST AGRICULTURAL, INDUSTRIAL AGRICULTURAL, INDUSTRIAL INDUSTRIES OUT THERE BECAUSE INDUSTRIES OUT THERE BECAUSE HIS — HIS PROTECTIONISM AND HIS HIS — HIS PROTECTIONISM AND HIS TRADE WARS HAVE HURT AMERICAN TRADE WARS HAVE HURT AMERICAN FARMERS SO MUCH. FARMERS SO MUCH. BROTHER, CAN YOU SPARE A DIME BROTHER, CAN YOU SPARE A DIME SOME THAT’S WHAT? SOME THAT’S WHAT? THAT’S WHAT THIS WOULD BE LIKE THAT’S WHAT THIS WOULD BE LIKE TO DONALD TRUMP’S ADMINISTRATION TO DONALD TRUMP’S ADMINISTRATION AND TO THE BUDGET TO HELP THESE AND TO THE BUDGET TO HELP THESE PEOPLE, TO KEEP THESE PEOPLE PEOPLE, TO KEEP THESE PEOPLE ALIVE, TO SHOW JUST A SHRED OF ALIVE, TO SHOW JUST A SHRED OF HUMANITY IN THIS TIME OF HUMANITY IN THIS TIME OF TROUBLE. TROUBLE.>>HE’S MAKING A VERSION OF THE>>HE’S MAKING A VERSION OF THE CARAVAN ARGUMENT THAT HE MADE CARAVAN ARGUMENT THAT HE MADE FOR THE MIGRANTS COMING UP FROM FOR THE MIGRANTS COMING UP FROM CENTRAL AMERICA ABOUT THE CENTRAL AMERICA ABOUT THE BAHAMAS AFTER A HURRICANE. BAHAMAS AFTER A HURRICANE. HERE’S WHAT HE SAID AND WHY HE HERE’S WHAT HE SAID AND WHY HE WANTS TO BE, QUOTE, TOUGH. WANTS TO BE, QUOTE, TOUGH. WE HAVE VERY BAD PEOPLE, SOME WE HAVE VERY BAD PEOPLE, SOME VERY BAD GANG MEMBERS, AND SOME VERY BAD GANG MEMBERS, AND SOME VERY, VERY BAD DRUG DEALERS. VERY, VERY BAD DRUG DEALERS. THE PRESIDENT SAID THE OF THE THE PRESIDENT SAID THE OF THE PEOPLE TRYING TO FLEE THE PEOPLE TRYING TO FLEE THE HURRICANE IN THE BAHAMAS. HURRICANE IN THE BAHAMAS. IT’S INTERESTING AS WES POINTS IT’S INTERESTING AS WES POINTS OUT, SUSAN, THE GROUPS OF PEOPLE OUT, SUSAN, THE GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT HE CHEWS TO LABELOOSES TO L THAT HE CHEWS TO LABELOOSES TO L WITH. WITH.>>YESTERDAY ON THE AN VESRY OF>>YESTERDAY ON THE AN VESRY OF 9/11 I WAS DOWNTOWN WITH THE 9/11 I WAS DOWNTOWN WITH THE DESIGNER OF LOWER MANHATTAN. DESIGNER OF LOWER MANHATTAN. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FREEDOM HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FREEDOM TOWER. TOWER. HE SAID WHEN HE WAS DOWN THEY HE SAID WHEN HE WAS DOWN THEY WAS THINK OF THE HISTORY AND WAS THINK OF THE HISTORY AND LOOKING OUT AT THE STATUE OF LOOKING OUT AT THE STATUE OF LIBERTY AND THOUSAND WAS PART OF LIBERTY AND THOUSAND WAS PART OF THE REPRESENTATION OF BRING US THE REPRESENTATION OF BRING US YOUR HUNGRY, YOUR TIRED, YOUR YOUR HUNGRY, YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR. POOR. AND IMMEDIATELY I THOUGHT NOT AND IMMEDIATELY I THOUGHT NOT UNDER DONALD TRUMP. UNDER DONALD TRUMP. IT WAS JUST A REALLY SAD IT WAS JUST A REALLY SAD REFLECTION OF THAT’S WHERE WE REFLECTION OF THAT’S WHERE WE WENT AS A COUNTRY COMING WENT AS A COUNTRY COMING TOGETHER AFTER 9/11 TO A COUNTRY TOGETHER AFTER 9/11 TO A COUNTRY THAT THIS PRESIDENT WANTS TO THAT THIS PRESIDENT WANTS TO TEAR APART AND STOP HOPE FROM TEAR APART AND STOP HOPE FROM SPRINGING ETERNAL. SPRINGING ETERNAL.>>JULIA, LAST WORD –>>JULIA, LAST WORD –>>YOU KNOW –>>YOU KNOW –>>OH.>>OH.>>I WAS GOING TO SAY REALLY>>I WAS GOING TO SAY REALLY QUICKLY, IT’S ANOTHER EXAMPLE, QUICKLY, IT’S ANOTHER EXAMPLE, THOUGH, OF HOW THE LACK OF THOUGH, OF HOW THE LACK OF HUMANITY REALLY OVERRIGHTS ANYDE HUMANITY REALLY OVERRIGHTS ANYDE POLICY DECISIONS. POLICY DECISIONS. AS PEOPLE KNOW THAT HAVE FOLD MY AS PEOPLE KNOW THAT HAVE FOLD MY CAREER IN CONGRESS, I’M VERY CAREER IN CONGRESS, I’M VERY CONSERVATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO CONSERVATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO IMMIGRATION AND MAKING SURE THAT IMMIGRATION AND MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE THAT COME HERE COME HERE PEOPLE THAT COME HERE COME HERE LEGALLY. LEGALLY. THAT’S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. THAT’S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS EXACTLY WHAT SUSAN JUST SAID. WHAT SUSAN JUST SAID. THIS IS ABOUT BEING TRUE TO WHAT THIS IS ABOUT BEING TRUE TO WHAT AMERICA’S GREATEST VALUES ARE. AMERICA’S GREATEST VALUES ARE. THE WORDS THAT ARE INSCRIBED ON THE WORDS THAT ARE INSCRIBED ON THE STATUE OF LIBERTY, THE THE STATUE OF LIBERTY, THE PROMISE THAT HAS GUIDED THIS PROMISE THAT HAS GUIDED THIS GREAT LAND AND MADE IT A CITY GREAT LAND AND MADE IT A CITY SHINING BRIGHTLY ON THE HILL FOR SHINING BRIGHTLY ON THE HILL FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE AS THE ALL THE WORLD TO SEE AS THE SCRIPTURES AND RONALD REAGAN SCRIPTURES AND RONALD REAGAN ALWAYS SAID. ALWAYS SAID. I MEAN, THAT PHRASE, THAT’S WHAT I MEAN, THAT PHRASE, THAT’S WHAT THIS COUNTRY IS. THIS COUNTRY IS. AND WE’RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE AND WE’RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WERE WHAT? WHO WERE WHAT? 45, 50, 60 MILES FROM THE UNITED 45, 50, 60 MILES FROM THE UNITED STATES, NO MORE. STATES, NO MORE.>>AND YOU KNOW, JULIA, YOU CAN>>AND YOU KNOW, JULIA, YOU CAN DRAW A THREAD BACK TO THE FIRST DRAW A THREAD BACK TO THE FIRST DAY OF HIS CAMPAIGN THE WAY HE DAY OF HIS CAMPAIGN THE WAY HE TALKED ABOUT IMMIGRATION AND TALKED ABOUT IMMIGRATION AND IMMIGRANTS. IMMIGRANTS. THIS WHO HE BELIEVES HE HAS TO THIS WHO HE BELIEVES HE HAS TO BE AND THIS IS HIS IDEA OF BEING BE AND THIS IS HIS IDEA OF BEING TOUGH ON KEEPING PEOPLE OUT OF TOUGH ON KEEPING PEOPLE OUT OF THIS COUNTRY. THIS COUNTRY.>>THAT’S TRUE, WILLIE.>>THAT’S TRUE, WILLIE. ONE OF HIS FIRST ACTIONS AND THE ONE OF HIS FIRST ACTIONS AND THE FIRST WEEK IN OFFICE WAS THE FIRST WEEK IN OFFICE WAS THE TRAVEL BAN, SOMETHING WE DON’T TRAVEL BAN, SOMETHING WE DON’T OFTEN TALK ABOUT ANYMORE. OFTEN TALK ABOUT ANYMORE. BUT THERE WAS A THIRD ITERATION BUT THERE WAS A THIRD ITERATION OF THAT THAT IS IN PLACE NOW OF THAT THAT IS IN PLACE NOW THAT PLACE RES STRICTIONS RESTRI THAT PLACE RES STRICTIONS RESTRI PEOPLE COMING FROM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING FROM A NUMBER OF COUNTRIES. COUNTRIES. THAT’S SOMETHING THE PRESIDENT THAT’S SOMETHING THE PRESIDENT CAMPAIGNED ON AND HE CONTINUES CAMPAIGNED ON AND HE CONTINUES TO USE AS AN ISSUE. TO USE AS AN ISSUE. SOMETIMES THERE HAVE BEEN SO SOMETIMES THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY POLICIES, JUST THIS SUMMER MANY POLICIES, JUST THIS SUMMER YOU COULD LOOK AT JUST WITH THE YOU COULD LOOK AT JUST WITH THE SUPREME COURT YESTERDAY SAYING SUPREME COURT YESTERDAY SAYING THAT THEY COULD GO FORWARD, THE THAT THEY COULD GO FORWARD, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION COULD GO TRUMP ADMINISTRATION COULD GO FORWARD AND DENY ASYLUM REQUESTS FORWARD AND DENY ASYLUM REQUESTS FOR PEOPLE COMING THROUGH MEXICO FOR PEOPLE COMING THROUGH MEXICO THAT THEY HAVE TO CLAIM ASYLUM THAT THEY HAVE TO CLAIM ASYLUM THERE BEFORE THEY CAN COME TO THERE BEFORE THEY CAN COME TO THE UNITED STATES AND BE THE UNITED STATES AND BE ELIGIBLE. ELIGIBLE. THAT IS ONE OF THE TOUGHEST — THAT IS ONE OF THE TOUGHEST — THAT IS THE TOUGHEST ASYLUM THAT IS THE TOUGHEST ASYLUM RESTRICTION THAT THIS RESTRICTION THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN ABLE TO ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENT. SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENT. AND THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF U.S. AND THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION SERVICES SAID YESTERDAY HE WILL SERVICES SAID YESTERDAY HE WILL START IMPLEMENTING THAT. START IMPLEMENTING THAT. THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY POLICIES THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY POLICIES THIS SUMMER THROUGHOUT THE THIS SUMMER THROUGHOUT THE ADMINISTRATION. ADMINISTRATION. SOME HAVE GONE INTO EFFECT, SOME SOME HAVE GONE INTO EFFECT, SOME HAVEN’T. HAVEN’T. SOMETIMES IT STARTS TO JUST GET SOMETIMES IT STARTS TO JUST GET LOST IN THE WEEDS AND WHAT IS LOST IN THE WEEDS AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING DONE HERE. ACTUALLY BEING DONE HERE. BUT WE’RE SEEING A SYSTEMATIC BUT WE’RE SEEING A SYSTEMATIC CHANGE THAT’S HAVING AN IMPACT CHANGE THAT’S HAVING AN IMPACT ON PEOPLE’S LIVES. ON PEOPLE’S LIVES.>>THANKS SO MUCH AS ALWAYS FOR>>THANKS SO MUCH AS ALWAYS FOR YOUR REPORTING. YOUR REPORTING.>>>COMING UP HERE FROM DEEP>>>COMING UP HERE FROM DEEP FAKE VIDEO TO FISHING AND FAKE FAKE VIDEO TO FISHING AND FAKE NEWS. NEWS. WHAT AXIOS IS CALLING THE WHAT AXIOS IS CALLING THE MISINFORMATION AGE AND HOW IT’S MISINFORMATION AGE AND HOW IT’S HURTING MORE THAN JUST OUR HURTING MORE THAN JUST OUR POLITICS. POLITICS. WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK. WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK.>>WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL.>>WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL. EVERYBODY NEEDS TOTALLY PROPER EVERYBODY NEEDS TOTALLY PROPER DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE — LOOK, DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE — LOOK, THE BAHAMAS HAD SOME TREMENDOUS THE BAHAMAS HAD SOME TREMENDOUS PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE GOING TO PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE GOING TO THE BAHAMAS THAT WEREN’T THE BAHAMAS THAT WEREN’T SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. I DON’T WANT TO ALLOW PEOPLE I DON’T WANT TO ALLOW PEOPLE THAT WEREN’T SUPPOSED TO BE IN THAT WEREN’T SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE BAHAMAS TO COME IN TO THE THE BAHAMAS TO COME IN TO THE UNITED STATES, INCLUDING SOME

PBS NewsHour full episode September 2, 2019


JUDY WOODRUFF: Good evening. I’m Judy Woodruff. On the “NewsHour” tonight: the coming storm. Hurricane Dorian lays siege to the Bahamas,
as it continues its journey closer to the U.S. mainland. Then: former Secretary of Defense James Mattis
on leadership, the role of the military and his work in the Trump administration. JAMES MATTIS, Former U.S. Secretary of Defense:
George Washington, the father of our country, I think, put it very well, how you have to
listen, learn, help, and then lead. That was his approach, and I think it’s one
that served me well. JUDY WOODRUFF: Plus: Parliament, the prime
minister, and the protests in the street — outrage in the United Kingdom as no-deal Brexit looms. ZOE BINNIE, Protester Organizer: I think this
is a British coup. It’s very polite, it’s very unassuming, and
that’s the worst thing. It’s very quiet. JUDY WOODRUFF: All that and more on tonight’s
“PBS NewsHour.” (BREAK) JUDY WOODRUFF: Hurricane Dorian pummeled the
Bahamas today, leading to several deaths and what was called catastrophic damage. Officials confirmed at least five people died
in the Abaco Islands. And there are many reports of people in serious
distress tonight. The prime minister of the Bahamas called the
storm — quote — “a historic tragedy.” The damage was also on the minds of federal,
state and local leaders in the U.S., as preparations continued for possible landfall this week. John Yang reports from Florida. JOHN YANG: Hurricane Dorian carved a slow,
destructive path across the Bahamas today. It made landfall yesterday with winds exceeding
185 miles per hour, a Category 5 storm, the strongest on record to strike the island nation. Dorian weakened to a Category 4 storm this
morning, but continued lashing the Bahamas. The winds rocked trees. Torrential rains triggered massive flooding. HUBERT MINNIS, Prime Minister of the Bahamas:
Some areas, you Cannot tell the difference as to the beginning of the street vs. where
the ocean begins. JOHN YANG: The storm toppled power poles and
damaged vehicles. The current forecast envisions Dorian moving
dangerously close to the Southeastern U.S. Seaboard, offshore of Florida’s East Coast
tonight through Wednesday evening. It’s expected to pass near the Carolinas,
where states of emergency have now been declared. Even a minor deviation could send Dorian onshore. But if it doesn’t make landfall, it still
has the potential to do major damage. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis: GOV. RON DESANTIS (R-FL): Hurricane Dorian has
shown what it is capable of. It’s absolutely battered the Bahamas. Our East Coast is certainly within the cone
still, and people need to remain vigilant. If you’re ordered to evacuate, you need to
do that. JOHN YANG: At the Good Samaritan Society’s
retirement community in Kissimmee, outside Orlando, a fleet of ambulances transported
seniors to a sister facility on higher ground. The community was flooded after Hurricane
Irma in 2017. Throughout Florida, past experiences are shaping
residents’ responses. Ivette Alsina of Winter Haven, south of Orlando,
stocked up on sandbags, and other emergency supplies. You got everything ready here. You’re all prepared. IVETTE ALSINA, Florida: Almost prepared. I think I’m prepared. I got the batteries, flashlight, a first kit. I got food, water. Everything is set. JOHN YANG: Alsina is among the tens of thousands
of Puerto Ricans who moved to Florida after surviving 2017’s Hurricane Maria. How did you feel when you heard about this
hurricane and that it might be coming and hitting Florida? IVETTE ALSINA: I felt fear and anxiety. JOHN YANG: Anxiety? IVETTE ALSINA: Yes, because it’s really bad. I was in Puerto Rico when Maria passed. And thinking that that is coming here right
now is really bad. JOHN YANG: She evacuated from Cayey, Puerto
Rico, 10 days after Maria to get treatment for high blood pressure. Storm warnings this week have put her back
on high alert. IVETTE ALSINA: Three days ago, I went to the
doctor. He gave me a lot of medicines, so I can be
calm through the toll of these days. JOHN YANG: Other Puerto Ricans in the area
are also feeling tense. MILLIE SANTIAGO, Florida (through translator):
I’m not the only one. I have received a lot of calls from Puerto
Rican families who ended up here because of Maria. They’re in critical states of anxiety. JOHN YANG: Millie Santiago is another survivor
of Hurricane Maria. She’s helping 22 families staying at an Episcopal
Church conference center outside Orlando, where mental health counselors are on hand. Yemanja Krasnow is a University of Central
Florida clinician and social worker. YEMANJA KRASNOW, University of Central Florida:
A lot of the Puerto Ricans that came to Central Florida post-Maria, they had some very traumatic
experience. It wasn’t just the storm. There was loss of lives. There was loss of house, of pets, of properties,
of businesses. So there was a compound of trauma going on,
not just the experience of the hurricane itself. JOHN YANG: In Jacksonville, restaurant owner
Andy Zarka is preparing for the possibility his business might end up underwater, as it
did during Hurricane Irma. ANDY ZARKA, Florida: They told us two years
ago that Irma was a once-in-a-lifetime storm, that there’s no — it’s never happened like
that and it’s never going to happen again. And now here we are two years later, and we’re
getting ready for what could be Irma 2.0. JOHN YANG: On Jacksonville Beach, residents
enjoyed a pleasant day while considering their next steps. WALTER CHOWN, Florida: We are going to take
our time on making a decision to leave. But, especially having children, we don’t
want to make — be foolhardy or make bad decisions. JOHN YANG: Others took advantage of the high
Atlantic waves Dorian churned up. But few expect the calm to last long. Here on Jacksonville Beach, the winds and
the waves already picking up, even though the brunt of Hurricane Dorian won’t be felt
for another 48 hours or so. Just a little bit ago, the Orlando Airport
announced it is suspending operations overnight tonight, which means that every major airport
on the eastern side of Florida from West Palm Beach to Daytona Beach is now closed. And, Judy, even if Dorian doesn’t make landfall,
it doesn’t mean there won’t be any damage. The track it’s forecast to take is very similar
to Hurricane Matthew about — in 2016. That storm too stayed off the coast, never
made landfall all the way to North Carolina. It caused about $3 billion of damage and claimed
12 lives — Judy. JUDY WOODRUFF: And we remember that well. So, John, I — you were telling us you have
been talking to a lot of people there in Florida about the decisions they’re having to make
about whether to go, whether to stay. Tell us a little about what they’re saying. JOHN YANG: Well, this hurricane has been sort
of on the news and in the headlines for about a week now. They started talking about it last Monday. The good news is, that’s given a lot of people
a lot of time to plan. The bad news may be, it’s also given a lot
of people time to worry, and anxiety levels are high. But I thought that with the — perhaps with
the storm taking so long to get here, with it slowing down over the Bahamas so much,
that some people might become complacent. But the people I have talked to say that they
know what storms can do. This is the — would be the eighth major hurricane
to hit Florida since 2000. And a lot of people say that they know what
storms can do, they respect their power. And they also point to Andrew, the storm in
1992 that did about $27 billion worth of damage, killed 65. They say, since then, they take every storm
seriously. JUDY WOODRUFF: And, John, they are now issuing,
what, evacuation orders in Georgia and in the Carolinas. JOHN YANG: That’s right, up and down the coast. Low-lying coastal counties — actually, all
the counties along the coast have mandatory evacuation orders in place. And in South Carolina, they have begun what
they call contraflow. All the interstates going into Charleston,
all the traffic is outbound — from Charleston to Colombia outbound, and the other parts
of the state, the interstates all leading out of Charleston. You can’t get into Charleston. They want people to leave. JUDY WOODRUFF: Yes. Even with this hurricane still sitting over
the Bahamas, so much havoc it is already creating up and down the East Coast. John Yang, reporting for us tonight from Jacksonville
Beach, thank you, John. Back in the Bahamas, Hurricane Dorian spent
much of this day pummeling Grand Bahama and other islands and is expected hover there
into tomorrow. The National Hurricane Center warned this
afternoon of ocean storm surges that could be 20 feet higher than normal, while wind
gusts were nearly 200 miles an hour at times. Phone service has been spotty or disconnected
there. So we check in this evening with Danica Coto,
who covers the Caribbean for the Associated Press. She’s been reporting, along with a colleague
who’s in the Bahamas. Danica joins us via Skype from San Juan, Puerto
Rico. Danica, hello again to us. So, what are you hearing about what this hurricane
has done to the Bahamas? DANICA COTO, Associated Press: Well, there’s
a lot of harrowing call for help coming out of not only the Abaco Islands, which was hit
on Sunday, but as well from Grand Bahama Island, which was affected today, on Monday — all
Monday for more than 12 hours. It’s a pretty significant amount of time for
an island that is mostly zero to 15 feet above sea levels, given that the storm surge is
expected between 18 to 23 feet. JUDY WOODRUFF: I was seeing in a report you
did with your colleague in the Bahamas there were something like over 2,000 distress calls? DANICA COTO: Correct. A lot of people were calling in for friends
and relatives, relaying messages to a radio station that was then passing on messages
to the Emergency Management Agency. These calls ranged from a 5-month-old that
was stuck atop a roof, to an elderly woman who had a stroke, to a pregnant woman, to
a grandmother with six grandchildren who had to literally cut a hole in the roof. And many of these people were asking for help. But rescue crews said that they were unable
to go out, given the current weather conditions. So, unfortunately, a lot of people were left
waiting for help. And as soon as the weather cleared, officials
said they could go out and help. And most of them went out as the eye passed
through Grand Bahama. So some people were able to be rescued, but
many are still waiting for help. JUDY WOODRUFF: What about infrastructure there? Danica, you mentioned it’s, what — you said
zero to 15 feet above sea level. How prepared are they to deal with any storm
and in particular a storm like this one that’s just sitting there? DANICA COTO: Well, the Bahamas is pretty used
to major storms. From 2015 to 2017, they were hit by three
Category 4 storms consecutively in those years. The homes are built to withstand 150 mile-per-hour
winds. But Dorian was no match. Dorian was carrying 185 mile-per-hour winds,
with gusts of up to 220 mile-per-hour winds, when it hit the Abaco Islands on Sunday. JUDY WOODRUFF: But we don’t know yet, is what
you’re saying, the extent of the destruction. DANICA COTO: Correct. Officials say they are still unable to go
to the Abaco Islands, which was hit on Sunday. And so the earliest they would be able to
go in to help these communities and the nearby keys would be around 2:00 p.m. on Tuesday. But a lot remains unknown, given that the
storm has basically parked itself over the Grand Bahama and the Abaco Islands for two
days. JUDY WOODRUFF: Is it known how many people
were able actually to leave the Bahamas? I’m assuming not that many before the storm
hit. DANICA COTO: A lot of people sought shelter,
but legislators have said that many remained in the tiny keys around Abaco Island and Grand
Bahama. And they’re talking about creating legislation
to be able to enforce mandatory evacuations. JUDY WOODRUFF: But in order to do that, people
have to have the — they have to be able to afford to get on a boat or an airplane. DANICA COTO: Correct. They provide the transportation for many of
these people. And it was even up to 11:00 a.m. on Sunday,
which was the last bus leaving for shelters. And, even then, a couple of shelters in Grand
Bahama today were reporting problems with flooding. Our local reporters were saying that children
were sitting on the laps of adults as floodwaters began to rise in at least two shelters. Some people are describing the airport in
Freeport, which is in Grand Bahama. They say it looks like an ocean. A lot of areas are completely underwater. People are in the second floors of their homes. Bahama they say it looks like an ocean. A lot of areas are completely underwater. People are on the second floors of their homes
filming videos with waters rising. JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, it’s a terrible situation. And, of course, we’re all waiting to see what
more is learned. Danica Coto with the Associated Press, thank
you, Danica. DANICA COTO: Thank you very much. JUDY WOODRUFF: In the day’s other news: Four
people died and another 29 are missing and feared dead after a dive boat sank off the
coast of Southern California. The 75-foot vessel caught fire before sinking
near Santa Cruz Island. The Ventura County Fire Department released
photos of the boat engulfed in flames before dawn. All five crew members survived by jumping
into the water. But the U.S. Coast Guard is still combing
the site, looking for missing passengers. CAPT. MONICA ROCHESTER, U.S. Coast Guard: Presently,
the Coast Guard is — has full efforts in a response posture right now. We are currently still in the response phase. Right now, they are conducting shoreline searches
for any available survivors. JUDY WOODRUFF: It’s still unclear what caused
the fire. Federal transportation authorities have sent
a team to the scene to investigate. Authorities in Odessa, Texas, say the gunman
who killed seven in a mass shooting this weekend was fired from his job on the day of the attack. The shooter wounded at least 22 people before
he was killed by police. Authorities said he made rambling calls to
911 and to the FBI before the attack. CHRISTOPHER COMBS, FBI Special Agent in Charge:
He was on a long spiral of going down. He didn’t wake up Saturday morning and walk
into his company and then it happened. He went to that company in trouble. He’s probably been in trouble for a while,
which is why we have been reaching out. I talked to some of you yesterday about, we
really need the public’s help to reach out to us when they see people in that downward
spiral that may be on that road to violence. JUDY WOODRUFF: We will get a report on the
latest from Odessa later in the program. In Afghanistan, the Taliban claimed responsibility
for a massive explosion that rocked the capital city, Kabul, today, killing at least five
civilians. More than 50 others were wounded. It targeted the heavily secured Green Village
compound that’s home to several aid agencies and international organizations. The attack happened hours after U.S. envoy
Zalmay Khalilzad briefed the Afghan government about a draft peace deal with the Taliban. Special correspondent Jane Ferguson is in
Kabul, and joins us now. Jane, good evening. JANE FERGUSON: Hi, Judy. This is just the latest of a series of escalating
attacks by the Taliban in recent days, designed to keep up pressure on both the United States
and the Afghan government here in Kabul. The timing is very significant. The U.S. special envoy to those peace talks
between the United States government and the Taliban that have been taking place in Qatar,
Zalmay Khalilzad, just arrived this weekend back into Kabul, where he is presenting Afghan
President Ashraf Ghani with the initial details of a proposed agreement between the United
States and the Taliban. It’s believed they’re close to agreeing on
a U.S. drawdown in Afghanistan, but have yet to finalize that agreement. In the meantime, the Taliban have marched
on two major cities in the north of Afghanistan just over the weekend as well. JUDY WOODRUFF: That’s special correspondent
Jane Ferguson reporting from Kabul tonight. Thank you, Jane. In Hong Kong, tens of thousands of students
boycotted their first day of class to join anti-government demonstrations. Their peaceful rallies followed a weekend
of violent clashes with police that resulted in over 150 arrests. Today, high school and college students wore
face masks and school uniforms, as they demanded democratic change and an inquiry into police
conduct. ANDY CHAN, Student (through translator): I
think that secondary school students are part of society, and if we secondary school students
decide to boycott classes, that shows that part of society has already stopped functioning. JUDY WOODRUFF: The mass pro-democracy protests
in the semiautonomous Chinese territory began in June. Police officials have arrested more than 1,000
people since then. Medics in Yemen pulled 88 bodies from a demolished
detention center run by Houthi rebels. The building was targeted yesterday by Saudi-led
coalition airstrikes. In all, the strikes killed over a hundred
people and wounded dozens more. It was the deadliest assault there so far
this year. And the Trump administration said today that
it’s reconsidering its decision to force immigrants with life-threatening illnesses to return
to their home countries. U.S. Immigration and Citizenship Services
abruptly ended the program last month, sparking widespread condemnation from the medical community. The policy had allowed immigrants to avoid
deportation as they or relatives underwent lifesaving medical treatment. Still to come on the “NewsHour”: former Secretary
of Defense James Mattis speaks about his decades of service in the Marines and why he’s unwilling
to answer questions about President Trump; an update from Odessa, Texas, after a gunman
kills at least seven in deadly drive-by shootings; protesters in the U.K. angry over the prospect
of leaving the European Union without a deal; and much more. Now to my interview with former Secretary
of Defense retired Marine Corps General James Mattis. He resigned in protest just before Christmas
last year after President Trump announced that he would pull American forces out of
Syria. The U.S. and its allies were trying to finish
off the remnants of the ISIS caliphate, and Mattis wrote in his resignation letter that
he believed Mr. Trump deserved a secretary of defense whose — quote — “views are better
aligned with yours.” The decorated Marine served more than four
decades in uniform, including commands in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He left the Corps in 2013 after a tumultuous
turn running U.S. Central Command under President Obama. Secretary Mattis has written a new book, “Call
Sign Chaos: Learning to Lead.” And I sat down with him this morning in New
York City. Former Secretary James Mattis, thank you very
much for talking with us. JAMES MATTIS, Former U.S. Secretary of Defense:
Yes, it’s a pleasure to be here this morning. JUDY WOODRUFF: So, the book is “Call Sign
Chaos.” It’s about your 40 years in the Marines. It’s also about your philosophy of leadership. And there’s a lot of advice in here with regard
to leadership. What does it boil down to? JAMES MATTIS: Well, I think leadership has
some enduring qualities, whether you’re leading a parish, or you’re leading a school district,
you’re leading a business, or you’re in the military or politics. George Washington, the father of our country,
I think, put it very well, how you have to listen, learn, help, and then lead. That was his approach. And it’s one that served me well. JUDY WOODRUFF: The book is full of so many
stories of your life, among other things, how you thought the troops and the people
out on the front lines were not being listened to by people in Washington. And one of those examples was in 2001, when
you thought Osama bin Laden, you had him cornered, in essence, in Afghanistan, but then the Bush
administration, in effect, pulled the rug out from under you. JAMES MATTIS: The Marine Corps required you
to read a lot of history. And when our intelligence services said that
they believed Osama bin Laden was in one of two valleys in an area up near Tora Bora,
having studied the Geronimo Campaign, and how you could put in outposts that would cut
him off, I pressed very hard to move against him. The challenge we face — and you’re right
to bring it up the way you did, Judy — is, oftentimes, we have 19- and 25-year-olds out
there giving 100 percent, rigorously learning their jobs and carrying them out, but I’m
not sure we have been as rigorous in setting policy. And this isn’t about Republicans or Democrats
or partisan. This goes across party lines. It even goes throughout the Western democracies
right now that seem to be stumbling in protection of democratic values and what we all stand
for. JUDY WOODRUFF: I want to ask you about a few
issues touching on American leadership today, and start with Russia. You write at the end of the book especially
about the critical importance of alliances, of America’s allies. Is it a good or a bad idea to let Russia back
into the G7, which is what the president has suggested? JAMES MATTIS: Let me answer that in two ways,
Judy. First, I believe that, when someone departs
an administration over policy differences, you have what the French call a duty of reserve,
a devoir de reserve. I don’t want to, on the outside, be making
it more difficult for our secretary of defense, secretary of state and president who have
to deal with this very complex world. There will be a time when it’s right for me
to come out on strategy and policy disagreements. But I was clear in my letter of resignation
that I believed in having alliances and staying true to alliances. And I think that, as we look at the importance
of alliances, this is critical that we work with our allies. For example, when this town was attacked on
9/11, I was joined on the battlefield very quickly by troops from Canada and the United
Kingdom, Norway and Germany, Australia, New Zealand, Jordan, and Turkey, not because their
city had been attacked, because we had been attacked. So we need to hold our allies close. In this world, if you study history, nations
with allies thrive, and nations without allies wither. And that’s a reality. JUDY WOODRUFF: And what about Russia joining
— joining the G7? JAMES MATTIS: Yes, I think I maintain my quiet
right now. I don’t want to speak to things that I’m no
longer responsible for. JUDY WOODRUFF: Saudi Arabia. Given what we know about the murder of journalists
Jamal Khashoggi, is it in the long-term interests of the U.S. to be working with Crown Prince
Mohammed bin Salman? JAMES MATTIS: I think what we have to look,
and what my book is written about is the lessons I learned about, how do you lead? And part of this is, at times, you have to
work with countries that you don’t share everything in common with. No doubt about that. But when you get into current policies and
that sort of — that sort of subject, the reason I want to keep quiet right now is,
we have troops all around the world engaged in operations. We have diplomats all around the world engaged
in very sensitive negotiations. And for a former sitting secretary of defense
to come out with criticism, especially when I’m not completely current — I don’t know
all the back-channel things that are going on — I think it’s unhelpful, especially when
I’m contributing to political assessments at a time when it’s — the political discussions
in this country are so corrosive. I think it is better that we all — at least
the majority of us learn how to roll up our sleeves and listen to each other, work together,
and try to support sound policies that answer the question you just asked. JUDY WOODRUFF: I hear what you’re saying,
Secretary Mattis, but your book is full of references to decisions made for ethical reasons. This is an ethical decision, is it not, given
what Mohammed bin Salman is accused of? JAMES MATTIS: I believe it would be an ethical
decision about working with him. I think you can separate that decision from
working with Saudi Arabia. And that’s difficult to do. But this is sometimes the case that those
in positions of authority, they have to make accommodations to things, where you take the
least of two bad options. JUDY WOODRUFF: North Korea. President Trump has praised Kim Jong-un as
a great leader with — quote — “a beautiful vision” and that, due to the president’s personal
diplomacy, he says he’s changed his behavior. How do you assess Kim Jong-un and the success
at this point of U.S. policy with North Korea? JAMES MATTIS: I’m going to frustrate you here,
Judy, because I don’t believe that, now in the cheap seats, is what I would call myself,
that I’m going to engage in political assessments of something like that. There will come a point where I want to talk
about strategy and policy. It’s not yet. But there will come a time. JUDY WOODRUFF: But, as you know, the election
coming up in November of next year, Americans are going to be making a very important decision
about in whom to place enormous decision-making power over the future of this country and
the world. Are you saying you don’t think it’s your responsibility
to speak up before the election? JAMES MATTIS: That’s exactly what I’m saying. I come from the Department of Defense. And this isn’t just about me. Secretary Ash Carter, the secretary of defense
under President Obama, made very clear that the defense of this country is a nonpartisan
issue. And that was our area of expertise. He studiously avoided political statements. And that — so, this is not just me trying
to be protective of the administration that I just left over policy differences, I might
add. This is a standing tradition of the American
military and the American defense establishment that goes back to century now. And in the current corrosive political debates,
it can get submerged, where everybody thinks it’s all about political assessments all the
time. That doesn’t have to be the case when it comes
to the U.S. military. They protect the experiment. And it’s pretty a raucous experiment right
now. JUDY WOODRUFF: But you also served as the
secretary of defense, a Cabinet position… JAMES MATTIS: Right. JUDY WOODRUFF: … in the government with
immense responsibility. And I just want to ask you some more about
that, because you spent a lot of time with the editor of “The Atlantic,” Jeffrey Goldberg. He did — wrote a very thoughtful piece for
them. He talked to a number of your associates. They have talked to you about President Trump,
that they believe what you believe about him is that he is a man of limited cognitive ability
and of generally dubious character. JAMES MATTIS: Number one, I never said that. And I’m not going to comment on who might
have said it. But I wouldn’t tolerate, when I was on active
duty or as secretary defense, any condemnation or characterization like that of any elected
commander in chief. JUDY WOODRUFF: So, to those who would — and
some are writing this right now — who say that you have a responsibility, because you
have worked so closely with this president, to speak candidly about what you have seen? And some of them are saying, you’re trying
to have it both ways, that you both enjoyed this position of enormous influence inside
the administration, but now you’re out, you don’t have that responsibility anymore, and
you’re not speaking to the American people about what you know. And allies of this country could be asking
the same question. JAMES MATTIS: Well, I — frankly, I determine
my own responsibilities. And I have lived what I believed is a responsible
life. The area of expertise that I had had to do
with the protection of this experiment that you and I call America. It’s the protection of it. And, at times, it’s very raucous. But I also have a lot of confidence in the
American people that they can select who they think is the best president, without me coming
in from the outside on a — as a defense official, whether active or former or whatever, and
start sounding like I’m the one who is able to evaluate those who have the toughest job
in the world. JUDY WOODRUFF: Are you confident this is a
president who can be trusted with the nuclear codes, a fateful responsibility? JAMES MATTIS: Yes. JUDY WOODRUFF: You want to expand on that,
why you believe that? JAMES MATTIS: You know, the responsibility
that lies — and that’s a very grave one. I have not heard anything that would indicate
there was some irresponsibility there. The thing is, Judy, that we live in a time
where every word is taken apart. And I realize we have an unusual president,
and he talks openly about many things. But, at the same time, in the privacy of the
office, he has to deal with the reality of competing factors. And I would bring the grim realities of war
into that office. At the same time, political leaders are elected
to try to bring human aspirations to bear, of a better economy, of pulling troops out
of wars. This is the normal — to me, this is the normal
tension between human aspirations and war’s realities, those grim realities. And it’s something that, I like being hard
on the issues. I don’t believe in being hard on the people. JUDY WOODRUFF: If you believed that this president
or any president wasn’t a fit commander in chief, would you say so? JAMES MATTIS: Yes. JUDY WOODRUFF: In other words, you think he’s
fit? JAMES MATTIS: No, I’m not saying that. I don’t make political assessments one way
or the other. I come from the Defense Department. We protect this experiment in democracy. We don’t make assessments of the people’s
choice to serve as the elected commander in chief. JUDY WOODRUFF: Former Secretary of Defense
James Mattis, thank you very much for talking with us. JAMES MATTIS: You’re welcome, Judy. Thank you. JUDY WOODRUFF: The weekend shooting rampage
in West Texas has left two more American communities in mourning. Seven people were killed in Odessa and nearby
Midland on Saturday, and another 22 people were wounded, including a 17-month-old girl. It came after state troopers stopped the alleged
shooter for driving his car erratically. He shot one of the troopers and then sped
away, firing at people randomly. William Brangham gets an update. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Judy, there was an emotional
vigil last night for victims of the shooting. The gunman’s motive is still unknown. He was apparently fired from his job just
before the traffic stop that started the shootings. This, of course, all comes less than a month
since the massacre at the Walmart in El Paso that killed 22 people. Mitch Borden of Marfa Public Radio joins me
from Midland via Skype. Mitch, thank you very much for doing this. Could you just tell me, first off, what we
know about the seven victims who were killed in this rampage? MITCH BORDEN, Marfa Public Radio: We know
they ranged in age by quite a bit, the youngest being 15 and the oldest being 57. The youngest was a high school student, a
sophomore at a local Odessa high school. And other than that, information is coming
out slowly about the victims. There are fund-raisers. But, so far, at least from what I have seen,
they haven’t released a complete list of the names of the dead. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: And this is such a strange
type of mass shooting, where it’s going sort of between these two cities from location
to location. How are the two communities of Midland and
Odessa doing, grappling with all of this? MITCH BORDEN: Just to clear things up, the
traffic stop probably started in Midland County, but it mostly took place in Odessa. The shooter never went to the city limits
of Midland. And both communities, I think, are just in
shock. After being at the vigil last night, people
are ready to heal, but people are scared. This happened in so many places, so quickly,
so many people were affected, that, you know, it’s only, what, two days later. Like, people are trying to still just understand
how this happened. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: And Governor Abbott today
said we still don’t know anything about the motive of what drove this man to act this
way. But he did say something, that they found
out something about him failing some background checks for purchasing guns. Can you tell us more about that? MITCH BORDEN: Yes, it does — it did come
out in a presser held earlier today by the — by law enforcement officials that he had
in the past failed a background check. They didn’t release any more information. They also said they didn’t know how he obtained
the assault-style weapon that he used in the shooting. Other than that, we will just have to wait
for them to release more information. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: So this massacre, following
El Paso, also occurs right when a series of new state laws go into effect that would loosen
prior gun regulations in the state of Texas. What are those changes? MITCH BORDEN: There’s a lot. There were eight laws that came into effect
on September 1. But a lot of them make it easier to carry
guns in certain settings, such as houses of worship during a disaster. One increased the amount of school marshals
that can carry a firearm. And at a presser — a presser yesterday, Governor
Abbott addressed a crowd and talked to them about action was needed, but he didn’t specify
what type of action. And when asked about, like, these regulations,
he stated that some of them make situations safer, such as the school one, where school
marshal — more school marshals can be armed. So he didn’t want to really engage on the
idea that maybe these regulations make things unsafe. And, so far, there hasn’t been any more comment
around Odessa on this matter. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: I mean, calls for new gun
control measures always follow these types of shootings. We saw that after El Paso and Dayton, and
we certainly saw it here. And I know former Congressman Beto O’Rourke
was in the region. I know you were with — I take it, with him
earlier today. He has made much of his presidential campaign
based on gun control. He’s called for some very aggressive measures,
like mandatory buybacks of assault-style weapons. Did he talk about that today? And, if so, what is your sense of, how does
that play in Texas to Texas ears? MITCH BORDEN: You know, I — when I saw him,
he was visiting a Labor Day celebration, a potluck at a union hall — or, like, a celebration
put on by unions. And he was just there trying to spread support
from all of West Texas, El Paso. The shooting in El Paso happened less than
30 days ago. And it was just about trying to bring the
communities together. And he also said action needed to be taken. He didn’t go into, like — and during his
speech, he didn’t go into the certain policies, but he did express like, yes, more things
need to be done on a policy level. He wasn’t shy about that. I don’t think he’s usually shy about that. How that will play in Texas, I think Texas
is a red state. I think a lot of people love guns in this
state and are very protective of their Second Amendment rights. At the same time, two mass shootings in less
than 30 days. I think some people do want change. And I think you can get really granular when
you go into what type of change people want. But I think people are getting to their wit’s
end with this violence. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Mitch Borden of Marfa Public
Radio, thank you very much for your time and for your reporting. MITCH BORDEN: Thank you. JUDY WOODRUFF: Britain has begun a critical
week in the battle over its planned exit from the European Union. Prime Minister Boris Johnson has ordered members
of his governing Conservative Party to back his efforts to secure the best possible Brexit
deal. The state of Britain’s democracy is now under
severe scrutiny, after Johnson obtained the queen’s permission to suspend Parliament,
in an apparent attempt to halt debate over Brexit. As special correspondent Malcolm Brabant reports,
that move led to dozens of demonstrations over the weekend. MALCOLM BRABANT: Members of Boris Johnson’s
Cabinet were summoned to his Downing Street residence for an emergency session. He told them he’s optimistic of getting concessions
from Europe, so that Britain can leave on October the 31st with a deal. But his plans are being threatened by an opposition
bill due to be tabled by the Labor leader, Jeremy Corbyn, tomorrow. With demonstrators jeering in the background,
the prime minister urged his party to back him. BORIS JOHNSON, British Prime Minister: But
if there’s one thing that can hold us back in these talks, it is the sense in Brussels
that M.P.s may find some way to cancel the referendum or that, tomorrow, M.P.s will vote
with Jeremy Corbyn for yet another pointless delay. I don’t think they will. I hope that they won’t. But, if they do, they will plainly chop the
legs out from under the U.K. position and make any further negotiation absolutely impossible. MALCOLM BRABANT: The implied threat was that,
if the government fails to defeat the bill in Parliament tomorrow, he will seek a general
election. BORIS JOHNSON: I don’t want an election. You don’t want an election. Let’s get on with the people’s agenda. MALCOLM BRABANT: Johnson spent the weekend
war-gaming with his closest advisers at his official retreat, Chequers, after he decided,
controversially, to suspend Parliament for five weeks. His ultimatum is a response to plans outlined
by Labor’s Brexit spokesman, Sir Keir Starmer. SIR KEIR STARMER, Brexit Spokesperson, Labor
Party: The legislation is simple and straightforward, the purpose of which is to ensure that, if
we get to the 31st of October without a deal, we do not crash out. There’s no mandate from the referendum for
crashing out without a deal, nor is there a mandate from Parliament for that. So, actually, Boris Johnson has no mandate
for this at all. MALCOLM BRABANT: Two opinion polls conducted
in recent days indicate that Boris Johnson is gaining support for his tough stance. Despite the resistance to the suspension of
Parliament, one of those polls suggests that Johnson would win a general election. He’s buoyed by reactions like this from businesswoman
Kindi Kaur, a Conservative supporter. She’s from Gravesend, a district east of London
that voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. KINDI KAUR, Brexit Supporter: I think Boris
has done a fantastic tactical move here to make everyone pull their acts together and
give us a good deal. Otherwise, thank you very much. We’re leaving, whether you like it or not. And we are strong enough to survive this. MALCOLM BRABANT: The shockwaves of Boris Johnson’s
nuclear option to suspend Parliament have reverberated nationwide. There may not have been thousands on the queen’s
doorstep at Windsor Castle, but the symbolism was obvious. PROTESTERS: Stop the coup! Stop the coup! ZOE BINNIE, Protest Organizer: I think this
is a British coup. It’s very polite, it’s very unassuming. And that’s the worst thing. It’s very quiet. They slip things through the door. Before we know, we have accepted things that
we didn’t realize were going to happen. MALCOLM BRABANT: The precise verb to suspend
Parliament is prorogue. The prime minister insists it’s a standard
procedure, leaving ample time for lawmakers to debate Brexit. But protesters don’t believe him. CLAIRE PATON, Teacher: It’s the most vital
time in our recent history, and he’s just shut everybody up. He’s shut everybody out, so he can force through
what the vocal minority of people want, which is a no-deal Brexit. MALCOLM BRABANT: Architect Matthew Taylor
is concerned that Johnson is flouting the conventions of Britain’s unwritten constitution. MATTHEW TAYLOR, Architect: In the past, it’s
relied lots of trust and good faith, a belief that the people in charge are doing the right
thing. But if they switch to not doing it, it’s very
easy to start abusing a system like that, because there aren’t enough checks and balances
in place. MALCOLM BRABANT: Another reason for staging
the protest here. Just opposite the queen’s favorite pad in
Windsor lies Eton. The very name exudes privilege in class-obsessed
Britain. That Ivy-est of Ivy League schools, Eton College,
is where Britain’s royals and upper crust send their heirs to learn about gaining and
using power. It’s produced 20 British prime ministers,
including the latest, Boris Johnson. PROTESTERS: Hey, ho, Boris Johnson has to
go! ANGUS CAMERON, Chairman, Windsor Labor Party:
The idiot that got schooled just down the road has in one or two weeks destroyed everything. We are supposed to be the home place of democracy. OK? No longer. CRAIG MACKINLAY, British Parliament Member:
This has got nothing to do with outrage about democracy. This is all to do with trying to stop Brexit. And it’s not going to work. MALCOLM BRABANT: Craig Mackinlay is a leading
member of a hardcore conservative group of lawmakers? known as the Spartans. They helped depose the previous prime minister,
Theresa May, because they thought she wasn’t tough enough on Brexit. Mackinlay defends Parliament’s suspension
as normal, and applauds Johnson’s push for a better Brexit deal from Europe. CRAIG MACKINLAY: Everybody goes to look at
new houses, new cars. You don’t go into that showroom to buy a new
car and saying, I’m not leaving here until I buy it. If you’re not getting the deal you want, the
price you want and the extras you want, you walk away. So what Prime Minister Johnson has done is
trying to get that no-deal threat back on the table, because only if you have that no-deal
threat, in my view, have you got any chance of getting a deal that would be acceptable. MALCOLM BRABANT: There are fears that a no-deal
Brexit would cause hold ups at ports like Dover. The government has promised there will be
no food shortages. But Matthew Taylor is not convinced. MATTHEW TAYLOR: If anything, civil unrest
is likely to start when there are food shortages and stuff. Only a few months ago, we had people phoning
the police because KFC ran out of chicken. So, if people are going to react like that
about that, their idea of this Blitz spirit, where they all kind of survive on homegrown
vegetables, it’s not going to happen. MALCOLM BRABANT: They’re not starving just
yet, but there’s increasing worry, in picture-postcard Britain, that the country’s destiny is about
to change forever. For the “PBS NewsHour,” I’m Malcolm Brabant
in Eton. JUDY WOODRUFF: From coast to coast, the 2020 presidential candidates celebrated Labor Day. But a weekend of breaking news turned their
attention to guns once again. Lisa Desjardins brings us this campaign update. LISA DESJARDINS: There they were, at work
today, among the crowds and parades charming potential voters. But, listen closely. On this Labor Day, Democratic candidates for
president focused less on jobs and wages, and more on the gun debate, after Odessa,
Texas, became the latest site of a mass shooting on Saturday. Take former Vice President Joe Biden in Iowa. He said the Constitution doesn’t protect semiautomatic
rifles, like the one used in Odessa. JOSEPH BIDEN (D), Presidential Candidate:
Having assault weapons on the street and multi — magazines carrying multiple bullets is
irrational. There is no need for it, and your Second Amendment
rights are in no way violated. LISA DESJARDINS: Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar,singled
out Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell on guns. SEN. AMY KLOBUCHAR (D-MN), Presidential Candidate:
Mitch McConnell is going to have to decide what side he’s on. He’s going to have to explain to the people
of this country why he wouldn’t let that bill that just passed the House come up for a vote. LISA DESJARDINS: And all this follows the
comments from former Texas Congressman Beto O’Rourke, who used an expletive on CNN Sunday
while reacting to another mass shooting in his home state. BETO O’ROURKE (D), Presidential Candidate:
So, yes, this is (EXPLETIVE DELETED) up. And if we don’t call it out for what it is,
if we’re not able to speak clearly, if we’re not able to act decisively, then we will continue
to have this kind of bloodshed in America. And I cannot accept that. LISA DESJARDINS: In Los Angeles, California
Senator Kamala Harris hit several notes, vowing executive action on guns if Congress doesn’t
act, while commemorating the holiday. SEN. KAMALA HARRIS (D-CA), Presidential Candidate:
We are celebrating the leadership of organized labor that brought all of us, whether you’re
member of a union or not, better conditions, better wages, better benefits. LISA DESJARDINS: Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth
Warren sent out a Labor Day video to her supporters, while, for another candidate, Labor Day was
about their work force. South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg
is expanding in Iowa. PETE BUTTIGIEG (D), Presidential Candidate:
That starts with the folks who are gathered here. And it starts in this, the first of 20 field
offices that we’re going to be opening over the next few days. (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) LISA DESJARDINS: In the meantime, Vermont
Senator Bernie Sanders focused on New England, stumping in the first-in-the-nation primary
state of New Hampshire. And that brings us to Politics Monday. Our Politics Monday team is back, Amy Walter
of The Cook Political Report and host of public radio’s “Politics With Amy Walter,” and Tamara
Keith from NPR. She also co-hosts “The NPR Politics Podcast.” Multimedia women, thank you for working this
Labor Day. We appreciate it. TAMARA KEITH, National Public Radio: Absolutely. LISA DESJARDINS: Let’s start with unions on
this Labor Day. And, Tam, what do we know about President
Trump’s relationship with unions? He talks a lot about them. Is he keeping those voters right now? TAMARA KEITH: He does talk a lot about them. And what he talks about is how he really identifies
with the rank and file. And he is constantly saying, well, the union
bosses, they don’t like me, but the rank and file, they’re my people. The numbers don’t exactly bear that out. Certainly, some rank and file union members
and union households did support President Trump and no doubt continue to. But he’s really pushing the idea. And his idea, I think, the image in his mind
of a union worker is somebody with a hardhat and a lunch pail who takes a shower at the
end of the day. Now, that isn’t necessarily reflective of
union workers as a whole in America. (CROSSTALK) LISA DESJARDINS: And that’s what I want to
talk to you about, Amy. In your podcast, “Politics With Amy Walter”
from “The Takeaway”… (LAUGHTER) AMY WALTER, The Cook Political Report: Yes. Thank you. LISA DESJARDINS: … you spent the whole episode
last week looking at this. And the face of actual union voters is not
what people think it is. AMY WALTER: Right. I mean, Tam is right that Trump has made inroads
with rank and file members, especially in places that we know are key to the presidential
election, in those battleground states. In Ohio, according to the exit polls, he actually
won union households by 13 points. This is a group of voters that four years
earlier Obama had won by 20. So there is something going on there. He did much better overall with labor voters,
for example — or union households is how exit polls ask that — than Romney did four
years earlier. So, yes, he’s been able to make some inroads. But Tam is also correct that this image of
the hardhat — and, really, we’re talking about a white guy with a hardhat or a white
guy who’s coming out of the mines — doesn’t reflect, I think, where labor currently is
in terms of its membership. It’s becoming much more female-centered. Certainly, for — people of color are much
more significant influence and force within the labor movement than they have been ever
before. And think about where — if you’re looking
to what the most high-profile union-organizing or labor issues have been in the last year
or so, it’s been the teacher strikes, again, a profession that’s heavily female, and the
Fight for 15, this — the organizing of fast food workers for minimum wage of $15 an hour. So, the service industry also very influential. And we know that, in 2018, women were a very
big source of Democratic votes and energy. And I think we should be looking also to those
women who are part of labor as a another piece of this. One more thing about the labor makeup that’s
interesting, I think part of the reason that Joe Biden has done as well — or doing as
well in the Democratic primary is that he’s seen as the candidate, the one candidate who
can win back those guys with lunch pails and hardhats in Pennsylvania, in Michigan, in
Ohio. And that has, I think, helped submit his front-runner
status. TAMARA KEITH: And he obviously pushes that
image, that sort of Scranton Joe, middle-class Joe. AMY WALTER: Yes, absolutely. Absolutely, TAMARA KEITH: Like, he really — that is part
of his pitch. AMY WALTER: That’s right. TAMARA KEITH: And, in part, that pitch isn’t
just to white voters who fit the image. He’s also pitching that to voters of color
who just want to beat President Trump. LISA DESJARDINS: That’s right. He’s saying: This is how we can win. I can get these voters. AMY WALTER: That’s right. TAMARA KEITH: Yes. LISA DESJARDINS: Another way that Democrats
are hoping to get attention and energize at least their base, maybe some suburban women
voters, is the issue of guns. We are here yet again on another Monday after
another weekend with more gun deaths in this country. Tam, where exactly do you think the White
House really is on wanting to get legislation through Congress of any kind? TAMARA KEITH: In part, I think the White House
is still trying to figure that out. I know that they — and I have spoken to people
who’ve been in meetings. The White House at a staff level has been
having meetings with gun rights people, but also with victims families and other advocates,
staff of members of Congress from both sides of the aisle. But what they think they can actually do,
what they think the president will actually get behind, that’s not clear. It’s — there’s sort of a disconnect right
now between the president and the staff, and sort of a disconnect between the president
from one moment to the next. And what I mean by that is, he keep saying
different things that are seemingly quite contradictory, saying, well, we do want to
do background checks, but then saying, except, you know, background checks wouldn’t have
prevented any of the recent shootings, so I guess maybe, well, we need to protect the
Second Amendment. It’s not clear exactly where he stands. The issue right now is that the White House
keeps saying, we need to know what is politically feasible. We need to know what can pass Congress. You talk to people over in Congress, and they
say, we need to know what the president would actually support. LISA DESJARDINS: Amy, yes. AMY WALTER: Doesn’t that sound familiar? (LAUGHTER) AMY WALTER: It feels like we have this conversation
a lot. The interesting element here, too, is what’s
happening on the Democratic side. And when we have talked to before about, this
is a really unique period of time where you have all the Democratic candidates running
for president pretty much united around the issue of guns, that’s brand-new. But now you see somebody like Beto O’Rourke
from Texas, who has retooled his campaign since the El Paso shooting, and is running
essentially on the issue of gun control, moving even farther than we have heard previous Democratic
candidates on issues like having buybacks for assault weapons. Will this become part of the debate? He’s no longer in Congress, but are there
other members of Congress who will say, huh, maybe we should put that into the mix, too? That’s probably — that is certainly too far
for Republicans. The question is, will it be too far for many
Democrats too? LISA DESJARDINS: This is a good transition
to another thing we have seen in the last week, which is more retirements from Congress,
especially by Republicans. I believe we’re at around 11 right now. I know it’s still early, but lightning round,
ladies. Are we going to see another record year retirements
from Congress, or no? TAMARA KEITH: Well, what I will say is that
some of these retirements are based on personal factors. Other retirements appear to be based on, well,
it’s just not that fun to be in the minority. AMY WALTER: Yes, that is absolutely true. I think we will know if there will be another
slew of retirements. There’s a special election in North Carolina
in a very Republican district on September 10, next week, right? TAMARA KEITH: Yes. AMY WALTER: That’s next week. (CROSSTALK) TAMARA KEITH: Already. AMY WALTER: I know. It feels like it’s already coming up on it. I think, should Democrats win there, that
would be another alarm bell and a real worry spot for Republicans, maybe another incentive
to pack it in. LISA DESJARDINS: Amy Walter, Tamara Keith,
thank you. Enjoy the rest of your holiday. TAMARA KEITH: You’re welcome. AMY WALTER: Thank you. You too. JUDY WOODRUFF: And we thank Amy, Lisa, and
Tam for coming in on this Labor Day. And that’s the “NewsHour” for this day. I’m Judy Woodruff. Thank you, and we’ll see you soon.