China's ambassador to Canada leaving as dispute rages on | Power & Politics



when will the Prime Minister finally start treating this crisis with the seriousness the urgency and the attention that it requires but we will keep on pushing our point with China because this is about science it should not be about politics they've had no plan for six months I think Canadians should be rightly concerned so we are continuing to think about ways that we can move forward but there are some difficult constraints as a deep diplomatic rift between Canada and China stretches into its six months CBC News has confirmed China's top official in this country is leaving first reported by the National Post China's ambassador Lucia has been reassigned to France which means neither country will have a permanent ambassador in place at a time of very fractured relations Liu has been severe in his criticism of the federal government here so what does his departure mean for the ongoing diplomatic dispute geese and Jacques is a former Canadian ambassador to China he joins us now from Montreal hi mr. st. Jacques great to see you again good afternoon good to be with you I read an article that quoted you and in it you said you called this this move of the Ambassador a promotion why well you have to realize that Canada is no longer a very important country for China it's what I would call a second-tier type of country but on the other hand France is really a first year the kind of country in as much as France it's on the permanent as a permanent member of the Security Council of the UN and so I think also that for ambassador Lucia his work has been recognized of course he has been giving us the the line of the party of the Communist Party of China but also I have heard that this may position him to to be to to become a vice minister responsible for Europe at the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the end of his posting in Paris in three or four years from now so what do you imagine miss qualified this ambassador this man for promotion what do you think he did that that please the Chinese government so much well first I would say that he has already been posted to Paris in the past so it is French is very good he knows the country which is applause but also of course he has been taking a very hard line in Canada I would say that at times is behavior in my view was undiplomatic because he criticized directly Minister Phelan he spoke very harshly and of course this has been well seen in in Beijing back in Beijing and you know it's a no surprise knowing that just before it was assigned to all of us ambassador mr. Lucia I work at the headquarters of the Communist Party of China in the unit charged with the anti-corruption campaign what do you think it means for Canada well for Canada in fact it means a few things first of course it will give us a little bit more leverage when the time will come for Canada to name its next ambassador to China because of as you know the Chinese will have to provide academic but now they will want to replace ambassador Liu Xiaoyu as well and said so they know that we will have to provide a grammar so in as much as they put forward a name soon I think this should give us some leverage and and that's good the other thing that I see in a positive light is that you know ambassador Liu his reputation has been tarnished because of his remarks so let's hope that this replacement will be someone that is a bit more diplomatic in his behavior what do you think the chances of that are given where the relationship between Canada and China is right now well I would say that it's very unlikely because in fact the the face of the Chinese diplomacy has been changing in recent years because apart from the behavior of ambassador Liu Xiaoyu here I know that Chinese ambassadors in other country like Sweden Turkey and other places have been a lot more aggressive and undiplomatic in their remarks and because of the very tense relationship right now I think that they will want to appoint someone that will have no leeway and I hope it will be someone who can listen better than what ambassador Lucia yet demonstrated because he is not a good listener and so in fact I don't think it can be much worse so let's hope that it would be better if you were advising the Canadian government would you tell them to use the fact that they need to sign off on whomever is appointed by China as leverage what would you tell them to do well I think that assuming that they have someone that is ready and we knows that the request for that amount may have already been received in other words something that in fact hopefully we will know more about in the near future obviously we have to have in place some kind of quid pro quo so if we provide a grandma the Chinese government must promise that they will also provide academic we could also delay the the answer on their requests until we have ourselves put forward the name of a new ambassador what's your assessment right now I mean we've talked you so often throughout this dispute but what's your assessment of where things stand right now and I ask particularly because of what we've heard from Minister Freeland I think twice in the past few weeks publicly she said that that essentially that her counterpart won't won't even return her calls and she said sort of you know if you're listening right now we want to talk what does that say to you well we are in a very difficult situation and in fact it's a nightmarish and I don't think it will improve anytime soon because apart from the fact that mrs. free lien or any Minister for for that matter is able to speak with their counterparts in Beijing I knew also that the work of the embassy is more difficult it's more difficult for them to have access to Chinese officials and knowing that the extradition process of mrs. mum could last for quite some time you know we have to brace ourselves for a very long period of difficulty furthermore with what was announced yesterday in terms of more scrutinized inspection of our pork shipment to China I think we see there another facet of what I would call the gunboat diplomacy that is that China is using against Canada you think there's more to come in that respect we there are other meat producers for example who are worried that that it's just pork now it could be cattle down the road yeah it could be and in fact I was a bit surprised in the in the case of pork as you know because of the tensions with the United States the the Chinese have stop importing pork from the US but also because of this very serious African flu that they have in China they may have lost already about 10% of their pork knowing our pork is a very important staple in the Chinese diet I would have expected that it would have spared that that part so they must have come to the conclusion that they will be able to replace pork imports from Canada by other places like Russia or some Eastern European countries but in fact I would not be surprised if other sectors would be victim of this kind of reprisal is there something the Canadian government should be doing right now that they're not well I think that we have seen last week that the tone has started to change and starting with the Prime Minister Prime Minister was quite critical I was pleased also to see what he said yesterday about the Tiananmen events also the the press committee that was issued by Minister feeling in fact it has been years since our Minister of Foreign Affairs has issued a communiqué on the anniversary of this very sad part of the Chinese history so you can see that in fact the tone is changing and I think now as I have said previously I think the Kenyan government has to announce further measures to to to show that we won't take this lying down okay I'll leave it there thank you so much mr. sanjeok appreciate your time thank you that was former Canadian ambassador to China ji sang shock news today that china is reassigning its ambassador from canada to france has some wondering if that's good news or bad news Lu shy has been openly critical of Canada during his tenure well the opening give this country some leverage and its ongoing diplomatic dispute time for the power panel in Montreal a former Quebec Liberal cabinet minister David or tell also here in Ottawa Tim powers of sumo strategies and Ernst cliff strategies group Kathleen monk and right here with me the CBC zone Aaron weary hi everybody nice David why don't I start with you what do you think the removal or the transfer of this ambassador I should say that promotion as mr. sanjeok called it to Paris means for Canada good news or bad news i I don't think it's anything good I I just think it's another symbolic act from China to say well we're taking our ambassador and moving in somewhere else and we're going to replace them with somebody that's probably gonna have a hard line or even even a harder line I don't I don't see any good news here especially here in Quebec the news about the pork issue is pretty big 45% of Canadian pork exports to China comes from Quebec and with an election coming up in the fall this could be a pretty big issue so I don't see any good news like ambassador Jacques said Kathleen the pork issue that David's referring to is of course the news yesterday that we found out over the weekend that the shipments from Canada are being targeted for extra inspections there was actually worry from cattle producers that it could include them and we've got Minister Bebo the Agriculture Minister saying everybody should be sort of preparing for for that kind of eventualities what do you what do you what's your assessment of where things stand well it's not good right obviously first canola then pork and other other products we've talked on the show in the past about the dangers of extends to other agricultural or food sectors like fish jim has spoken about that in the past but it could get even worse I mean David just alluded to this I mean there could be a there could be a silver lining to ambassadors lue movement he has been at times very negative on Canada in terms of some of his speeches he hasn't he hasn't been certainly the easy in terms of the dealing of the relationship but it could get worse as David said for instance if they replace with a harder line ambassador or even if they don't replace the Ambassador at all so it could get worse also we have to be careful this could extend even further I don't even want to predict it but if if China was to go further and impact for instance some of the student visas or tourist visas things could get even worse what it boils down to is that Canada is caught in between basically a trade war between the US and China and we're getting caught up in this wake and it's a difficult position to be and the government while working hard trying to solve some of these issues you know right now no no Canadian ambassador of China now no Chinese ambassador to Canada things have to move forward in some way so now it's going to be the top levels of the government kind of working out a way at this as best we can when some of our sectors are really getting hurt second China's our second biggest trade partner and Tim one of the interesting points that mr. saint-jacques made are sort of ideas that he put forward was that we know for example the government has received a lot of criticism for not appointing a new ambassador we also know that China has to kind of sign off and what's known as I'm all on on that ambassador Canada will have to do the same for whomever China appoints to this country and mr. sang shock was saying well maybe they want to use that as a bit of leverage yeah maybe but I think it's less about us worrying about ambassador Lu leaving and whoever ambassador who comes next will be and I think it's more about what we're gonna do in China if we're playing a game here and we're waiting for the Chinese to appoint somebody or name somebody we're just falling further behind we haven't had an ambassador of for and permanent ambassador in China since mr. McCallum left that's the winter it's June now I think there surely is some person whether it be from the Kretsch an error or somebody in mr. Kretsch encircled himself because he seems to have a very good relationship of working one with the Chinese that we could put over there and I think it's incumbent upon us to do that not having ambassador Liu here not having a permanent and Canadian permanent investor over there at a practical level that she also means there's less channels of communication and I think David talked about the symbols we know that's important to the Chinese but we also understand that back channels are important if we don't have ambassadors if we don't have appointed or empowered officials to have those back-channel conversations nothing good I think can come of that well and we know Erin for example – the back channels the front channels River want to call them aren't working either we know Minister Freeland I remember listening to her on Metro morning a few weeks ago or maybe even just a week ago saying I can't get my call returned from the my counterpart at the Foreign Minister in China hey if you're listening give me a show right what does that say it says things aren't great I mean there's a there's a there's a basic power imbalance here right I mean a you know China is the economic power here and we can't really compete on that level it's it's one of those things where it's it's very easy to stand up and say well the Canadian government needs to fix this it's less obvious what this solution here is it's very easy to say that you know Canada needs to get tough but at the end of the day China can get tougher you know you've seen the the foreign minister and and and the Prime Minister trying to reach out to build this sort of coalition of other countries to sort of back support and to show that you know China picking this fight with Canada is gonna have other consequences but again it's they seem to be running up against this fact there's basic power imbalance and I think the other the other question here is how much of this is sort of the post Trump or the trumpian world that we're dealing with now where we can't necessarily rely on the United States to back us up in these fights and in the fights that the United States picks with other countries we end up sort of caught in the crossfire it's it's it's very hard to see exactly how this how what the way out here is up and unless in or until really the United States and China resolve their issue yeah it's interesting on that point David we saw in the last press conference with vice president pence he did he did speak up and condemn the especially the detainment of Michael Coburg and Michaels power which was a which is a huge part of this story and said that it would be you know sort of hinted that it would be raised by the president but I can't remember who had a guest on in the past few days who was saying well yeah you can say that but mr. Trump will kind of decide what he wants to do when he wants to do it absolutely he's mr. Trump is in no way tied to the specific Canadian issue he's going to do whatever his interest or his mind tells him to say or to do rather at the moment that he decides it that's it the the issue right now is that Canada has to become some way proactive I agree if the fact that there isn't that much real pressure but going back to the idea of symbolism I mean ambassador Lu just got a promotion for the way he handled the Canadian issue that's a promotion going to Paris is a promotion in the in the in in this kind of situation so right now Canada is always in a reactive mode is not being taking the issue and it's not about winning a trade war obviously Canada cannot win a trade war with China but the point is like was said before send different kind of emissaries change the message talk to Canadians also what I'm what I'm missing here also is talking about this to Canadians there's doesn't seem to be any real communications from the government to Canadians about what's happening and if this is creating a sense of insecurity as well and and so we don't seem to have any kind of clear strategy clear message and we're always in like one and a half steps back from China so we have to change that dynamic and and maybe it's through like what's that before naming different kinds of people to to to be emissaries for Canada yeah can I just add I want to pick on my friend Aaron here here for a second is great to have him on we won't talk basketball we know that's his sweet spot Aaron was articulating something the government in part has articulated the life is hard defense all it's all about the Chinese and you know we really can't do much and yes certainly there's a power imbalance but you only need look at numerous Canadians that have productive relationships either with Chinese business which are often state-run or entirely state-run a different Chinese leaders you have a prime minister for good or for bad who has a strong family history in terms of what his father did with China it's really hard to just sit here and say okay we'll just have to wait to the Chinese Act and and believe they can't find somebody to be there I don't believe it's the be-all and the end-all but I do think we have to put work harder if we're not already to find somebody who the Chinese view is credible who can speak to them in terms that matter and I believe we have those people in Canada I think we should all just take a minute here as political practitioners and those in terms of Aaron and Vashi who cover politics so closely take a moment for that persons in in the PMO's office who does issues management and the China file that is a tough place to be for the last I don't know six six seven months and also the person who's working on appointments because this is really a difficult moment like to try to figure out what is the right move what is the right spot response at any moment hi I'm Vashti Capello host of power in politics see more of our show by subscribing to the CBC news channel or click the link for another video thanks for watching

WHERE IS THE PRESIDENT?: Speculation over President's absence



after the head of states VZ to China accompanied by former Prime Minister Raila Odinga to secure various trade deals a section of social media uses whens overdrive questioning his long absence from the public the last time President Kenyatta saw toes were shared on social media is almost a fortnight ago when global funds executive director Peter sands paid a courtesy call to him at State House to sign a deal in fighting malaria and over the weekend Kenyans on Twitter started a campaign raising questions about his whereabouts Syd house spokesperson Kansa Dina has since answer to the swelling questions from the concerned lot saying the head of state was busy working from State House a Chacos governor Alfred moot or joining the bandwagon of leaders reacting to the matter noting by virtue of his post the president was a manager who can work from an office accusing his left Ananse of being destructed thirst burdening president Kenyatta minimal politic observers say his absence and issuing of statements on national matters could be a change of tux now the presidential communication team even though section of the political service say it leaves too much room for speculation on the presidency rose ago call k20 for Sunday edition

Is China the next global leader? – Inside Story



promising economic openness while tightly consolidating political power what will the latest Communist Party Congress reveal about China's global leadership aspirations as America turns inward this is inside story hello there I'm James BAE's who is the most powerful person in the world many would say the US president Donald Trump but the international news publication The Economist makes a fair case for arguing it's actually China's President Xi Jinping unlike Trump the leader of the world's second largest economy doesn't have to worry about Congress the media or for that matter re-election and although China has had in recent years a collective leadership system President Xi is feared because of his anti-corruption campaign and has amassed more personal power than any of his recent predecessors this is a particularly good time to assess all of this China's ruling party has a major meeting every 5 years and it's happening right now before we start our discussion a long-term China watcher al-jazeera's Beijing correspondent Adrian Brown reports from the Communist Party Congress President Xi Jingping can control a lot of things but he can't influence the weather to the superstitious and many people here are the damp grey start to this Congress was perhaps a warning sign in spite of the weather this was a day of choreographed unity after what has been a tumultuous few years for the party but there was a stirring welcome for the president this is as close as the foreign media get to the opaque workings of China's Communist Party she reported on his past five years in office saying the party had achieved miracles he also warned serious challenges lay ahead our country is at a strategic point in its development the future is extremely bright but the challenges are also extremely serious all party comrades must have set their size far and high and the think of danger in times of safety his address lasted three and a half hours if nothing else did showed that she now 64 is healthy healthy enough to rule for another 10 to 15 years in sisters supporters at one stage former president Jiang Zemin appeared to nod off he was China's top leader 25 years ago when I reported on the 14th Party Congress as China began to experiment with capitalism the new catchphrase is socialism with Chinese characteristics in the new spirit of openness and economic reform anything seems to go anything that is but political reform 25 years on the faces behind me have changed but the backdrop remains pretty much the same and the prospect of political reform as remote now as it was then the Congress will now meet in secret for the next seven days after which China's new leaders will be unveiled President Xi is assured of a second term and this Congress seems set to cement his position as China's top leader for a lot longer Adrian Brown al-jazeera Beijing the changing faces of the Chinese Communist Party and the ever-so-slightly aging face of our correspondent Adrian Brown well let's discuss the issues surrounding the Congress with our panel in Beijing we have I not Kangin he's a political and economic affairs analyst joining us on skype from New Delhi jabbin Jacob a fellow at the Institute of Chinese Studies and in Washington DC we have Isaac stonefish a senior fellow at the Asia Society Center on us-china relations welcome to you all ina I'm going to start with you because you are there where things have been happening in Beijing we heard the Chinese leader say that China had entered a new era what will define this era well quite frankly a lot of the kind of things that he listed and there's more than three hour intense discourse very solidly delivered a quite a let us say difference from a Twitter tweeting other major leader but I mean seriously the things that define China it's out of push how it deals with the belt and Road initiative they also have challenges in North Korea South and East China Seas and how to deal with just the sheer size of their growth internally they have issues that they have to address but I think you saw within the document that he read very clear signal as to why he wants his party his comrades to rally around this why sacrifices needed and why they have to go along with this program if I ask you jabbin what we mentioned earlier on The Economist saying the president she is now the most powerful man in the world would you agree with that number one and number two explained to us how he has got more power perhaps in the last five years in the Chinese political system than some of his predecessors well I think it's not quite as black and white as that calling him in the most powerful leader on the planet he certainly has become quite powerful within China but I think the events surrounding in the run-up to the Congress as well as you know the fact that we do not have a very clear picture yet of who the top contenders are for the Politburo Standing Committee I think a lot of these things are still you know up in the air he has certainly become more powerful over the last five years by his very strong anti-corruption campaign he has reigned in the party exorcists he has maintained strong control over the military he has somehow gotten the military on his side much more so than any of his predecessors and I think he's done it because he sold a line to the ordinary people as well as to the party Carter as well as the military that he allowed to change I now make China stronger and his vision of making China stronger has buyers especially at a time when the rest of the world the United States especially does not seem to be stepping up to the plate as far as leadership is concerned so he's able to sell to the Chinese people that this is an opportunity that has arrived and China must take it Isak stonefish in Washington DC there are some that saying that he's emerging as a transformational leader perhaps like Chairman Mao or dong Xiao ping as you know Chairman Mao established the communist state dong-chil ping introduced economic reforms that transform China what is he going to be known for I think it's good to insert a bit of hesitancy and skepticism so from what we can see she is becoming a more and more powerful leader but there's just so much we don't know we don't know what his relationship is with other members of the Standing Committee we think it's quite good but all we have are the tea leaves that we can see from the outside we think he has a good relationship with the men who run the military that's also something we don't know so if we stick with the assumption that we're making that she is a very powerful leader and transformative in the way that Mao and dung were some things we might be able to expect is a far more assertive push internationally now Chinese leaders like to talk about how their country is a developing one not a developed one we could actually see under XI China going and potentially getting involved in conflicts or peace talks in the Middle East we could see a more assertive Chinese stance on North Korea to see more assertive Chinese stance on the disputed islands in the South China Sea and on border issues of India so a lot of different areas that XI and China might decide to put a bigger push into ina recent Chinese leaders have done 10 years they've had the party Congress where they got given the job they had the halfway mark at five years and then the next Congress in ten years that was when they stepped down do you think President Xi is going to step down next time around in 2022 well that's one of the big questions that surround this lot will depend on whether he brings in the next two people from the sixth generation who would be capable of serving a five-year apprenticeship on the Standing Committee and then be able to take over obviously the corruption charges against the former party secretary of Chongqing has made that clear that he's out of the running question is can you bring up somebody quickly enough that people are going to be comfortable with in terms of himself I think he has a very ambitious agenda I think we all agree on that and he's trying he's trying to push it through will it take ten more years I not certain but it'll if it will be in the cards but one of the things that I think we are concentrating too much on is we you know this china is a completely different entity this is not something where you start putting your political and economic norms from your own country in the West and trying to insert them in China the fact is China does not do new plans on the back of a napkin as part of a campaign to get power it is a very slow planning process that involved a lot of steps along the way and this is how they achieve a lot of what they've done so this idea that you can concentrate solely on what she is doing or who is on the top standing committee I think is a misleading I think the most important part will be the work report which will indicate in detail what the government is trying to do and what emphasis its placing on each part I know you're telling me we're focusing too much on the leader I am going to ask another question about the leader to job in though which is about president she's background and hat what in what way you think it shapes him because he was from an elite family son of an elite official who then was purged and imprisoned and is in his youth sent to a rural area of China working as a farm labourer how do you think that shapes his political outlook look everyone's background is important to how they think about politics and I am sure this experience that she's father went through in the Cultural Revolution has also affected and shaped she accept that you know it might not be in quite the way that we think I think one appreciation that she might have developed is in the power of the state in the power of the Communist Party to keep things in order or the need for the Communist Party to keep things in order so I think to that extent she does not seem to have any Democrat izing tendencies he seems to think that the Communist Party is absolutely essential for China's rise and you know so from that point of view I think that experience has taught him that what China needs is a strong hand and clear direction and somebody has to give that direction and that is what I think he's trying to achieve he's you talk about rising you talk about his strong hand and one of the things he's done in his five years is a widespread crackdown on corruption but he still says in his speech today it's a big problem in the country would ya count you join corruption is the biggest threat faced by our party we can only get out of the historical cycle and ensure the long-term stability of our party and our country if we persevere in the continuous fight against corruption to ensure that our government its officials and policies are clean Isak stonefish in washington d.c he says this continues this fight against corruption does this help him politically too because that one assumes you're cracking down on corruption people were somewhat fearful of you I think depending on how well he plays it on the one hand corruption is something that's very unpopular in China there's a lot of frustration you have among a lot of people that local leaders or even national leaders are corrupt and not steering the country in the right direction I think the question is how much anger Xi Jinping builds among members of the party State for turning off the spigot and because he's doing this in somewhat of a hypocritical way you know the leaders that he takes down are corrupt if we believe the evidence against them which mostly comes from the party just not an entirely trustworthy organization and they also all have run afoul of Xi Jingping so it's not a sort of honest clean hands we're just going after corrupt officials it's going after corrupt officials who for the most part tend to be in some ways in opposition to Xi Jingping Arnott engine in Beijing moving from corruption to the wider economy what are the biggest risks facing the Chinese leadership over the next five years well if you're talking internally a lot of it goes around how to manage the economy but once again this is not a cookie cutter Western democracy the Chinese government has direct control over almost everything so what you see is this kind of feeling the stones while crossing the river approach they try something if it works they continue if it doesn't they abandon it and find something new and this is not something you can do you know if you look at the West trying to steer its economies through central banks which is kind of trying to you know cut a wheat field with a razor blade versus China who's able to literally say this is where it's gonna stop we're gonna close down these factories we're gonna move them things now you might not like the system but it is a part of the DNA of China that the people here expect the government to deliver some sort of decent living standards and so far China has done that and I think they're going to continue in terms of corruption I'm I'm not so certain that my American colleague is entirely correct if you start looking at the number of officials who've actually been taken down some of them received rises under she himself and he has shown that he has a pretty even hand if he discovers that somebody has broken the rule he told people five years ago that you this is a new start everything that happened the past is the past anything that happens forward is a direct affront to not only the people but to the party and you will be taken down I don't know that I like this idea that we continually sing this song that China should do something about corruption and then when it does we say oh it's only for power reasons job in ina keeps telling me not to look at China through Western eyes I am going to ask you to challenge an assumption though from me a westerner and that is that when you get greater wealth and education the people will start asking for more freedom freedom of speech democracy and the like do you see any sign of that and is that a challenge for President Xi and the leadership well if there is a sign of it then it is very much under control that Communist Party of China has managed to keep it under the lid it's certainly not playing a role significant enough to change the course or the direction that she seems to have set for the Communist Party of China and I think we just have to accept facts as they are and I would agree with ina in saying that you know this is not a country that one can view with the West Western lens or even from an Indian and in fact if I might say so I think it's easier for us to work India to understand what's going on in China because some of the problems that we see in China we also face some of these same issues of anti-corruption are also big issues here and we see the difficulty of actually dealing with these problems in a country the size size that India and China are so I think yes there is a case to be made for understanding and accepting that there is a separate Chinese or different Chinese DNA about how they will handle these issues either the one Westerner who is probably grappling most with how to understand China and President Xi is President Trump and they seem to have surprised people earlier on this year at mar-a-lago when they met in April and got on a lot better than we might have predicted from president Trump's election campaign how do you see the relationship continuing particularly as President Trump in a matter of weeks will be going to Beijing just one point on what my colleague in Beijing has said I think a lot of us make a mistake inside China and outside of conflating the Communist Party and China the country they are not the same thing the party wants to have this idea of inevitability that Oh China can only be ruled by the Communist Party obviously that's not true thousands of years of history before the Communist Party and there'll be thousands of years of history after you also have Taiwan democratically run which china says is part of china part of the DNA but as a democratic polity so i think you talked about your rebuttal they decide you'll rebuttal that as it now answer the question the Trump XI relationship going forward and particularly the important visit of the President to Asia so I think what Trump has been trying to do is to use North Korea as somewhat of an excuse to increase trade tensions with China Trump has this very fanciful idea that a trade deficit is very harmful to the US economy and he wants to read balance trade between the US and China basically every credible economist doesn't think this is a problem Trump does so I think even though he's going there in early November and the two leaders got along seemingly pretty well when they met in April I do think Trump would like to have excuses to raise trade tensions between the two countries I know there was it seems a deal this very transactional US president said I'll put all my concerns about trade on one side if you sort North Korea it seems the US administration doesn't feel that it's got its end of the bargain well quite frankly that was not the bargain this is I think way that Donald Trump has been trying to portray it so that anything that happens that is being pushed is in core of course the fault of China I think it's a perhaps a clever PR move but it doesn't reflect reality the situation is that there's a trust deficit between the u.s. and North Korea because of what happened in Libya and other places where people were this pot ik leaders quote were defanged and then actually killed so in that part of the things I don't know that North Korea and the United States can sit down across the table and strike a deal so I don't know that that's necessarily China's fault in terms of the trade issue that is always harped on that China is concerned about a you know a regime change messily that something bad happens and you start having China starts inheriting all the problems remember there won't be many refugees moving from North Korea into Alaska or anywhere else in the United States if things fall apart so this the these issues are pretty complicated but it's clear that you know you cannot just say it's one sides fault if there's no talk no trust there will be no resolution okay I know something let me just not either let me just ask you this follow-up question how much influence do you believe Beijing has over North Korea could they change North Korea's behavior if they want to – not really if you think back every time that Xi Jingping has been near an international microphone for some reason this is the perfect time to fire off a missile or explode a nuclear bomb you can just check that and you'll see that that is the case she has is a very controlled person he does not react to Donald Trump he does not react to Kim even though these are open provocations the Chinese people are not happy about it Chinese government is not happy about it face is an important issue here and young Kim seems to delight in making sure he puts she's face in the mud every opportunity he can okay that is okay Isaac I saw you shaking your head a bit there very quickly your view on that I think China as we all agree is one of the world's most powerful countries and if China were to decide that it wanted to push regime change in North Korea or if it wanted to get Kim to stop with its missile tests it has the ability to do so again massive country north Korea has always been in its sphere of influence China just doesn't want to do that because it doesn't want the costs that would be associated with pushing North Korea to change but I don't think we want to just blindly swallow the party line that China doesn't have any sway over North Korea or that this is an issue just between the United States and North Korea China is a very important partner in everything involving North Korea job in quickly from you a lot of thoughts on that how much is the issue of North Korea going to dominate now for the foreseeable future us-china relations well let me take a middle path on this I think China is not without influence on the North Koreans and at the same time I think that North Koreans also know just how much to do to stay under the red line as far as China is concerned I think the North Korean Communist Party actually congratulate achene on this particular Congress so I there is a limit to which North Korea will go will will stay under and I also don't see at the same time that for all the reasons that that we'll mention in the beginning that because of the trust deficit between North Korea and the United States that North Koreans will cease their provocations the Chinese certainly don't want American troops on their border they certainly don't want the North Korean regime to collapse so as important as face might be the North Korean regime survival is just as important national security consideration for the Chinese okay just think Java thank you very much thank you all our guests honor Tang in jabbing Jacob and Isaac stonefish remember if you're not near a television set you can still watch this program anytime on a computer tablet or phone at our website aljazeera.com for further discussion of the issues around China go to our Facebook page that's facebook.com /aj inside story or you can make your thoughts known on Twitter we're at AJ inside story from me and the team until next time bye for now

China's Political Geography – Provinces, Regions etc… In Chinese



today we're going to take a look at the structure of the country of China it's quite complicated so let's get right to it now China used to be called the celestial Empire or tin char but then in 1911 nationalist revolutionaries toppled the Ching dynasty and set up the Republic of China or Jang Hwa Ming Gore in Chinese the Republic was faced with constant threats from warlords Japanese and Chinese Communists then after World War two a civil war broke out in 1949 the Communists defeated the nationalist forces of the Republic of China or Jang Hana in war and the Nationalist government and their army fled to Taiwan where they have remained until this day then in mainland China Mao Zedong and his communist regime set up the People's Republic of China or jeonghye Renmin Gong Hogwart and that's basically the situation of China today so let's break it down a bit more the People's Republic of China or jompa Reming Gong hug war is a single-party state that's right no democracy there people it consists of 22 provinces in Chinese these are called shun for example Fujian shun search one shun in addition there are four directly controlled municipalities or just yeah sure these are Beijing Shanghai Tianjin and Chong Qing then there are five so-called autonomous regions or two that literally means self-governing region in Chinese but this whole self-governing thing is pretty misleading take the self-governing region of Tibet for example it gives the impression that the Tibetans are really governing themselves but actually although there are ethnic Tibetans had high levels of the local government in Tibet they are still loyal Communist Party members and Tibetans human rights and religious freedom are still being suppressed in Tibet in addition to the 22 provinces or shun the for directly controlled municipalities or just yeah shoot and the five so-called autonomous regions or – there are also two special administrative regions or Tobias Kingdom – namely the former British colony of Hong Kong and the former Portuguese colony of Macau in Chinese Hong Kong is called Shang Gong or fragrant Harbor and if you want to be cool and say in Cantonese the local dialect of Hong Kong it's called Hangang Macau in Mandarin is called alman so why are they special administrative regions you may ask well the British handed Hong Kong over to the Communists in 1997 and the Portuguese handed Macau over in 1999 since the people of Hong Kong and Macau were used to a certain level of freedom suddenly being subjected to the type of suppression and lack of human rights that mainland Chinese citizens are under perhaps would have been a little bit of a shock to them and cause international uproar so the British being the gentleman that they are proposed a compromise with the Communists and the Communists knowing that they couldn't suddenly turn Hong Kong one of the world's most important financial centres into a people's communes agreed that agreement was Lucien yen boo bien or no change for 50 years so Hong Kong gets to keep the political system left there by the British and Macau also has a similar agreement so that's the structure of the People's Republic of China or Jang Hye rim in gung ho war but what about the Republic of China Jang Hwa Ming gore well after the Nationalists fled to Taiwan they never declared independence or change the name so they've ruled Taiwan to this day under the name the Republic of China or Jang Hwa Ming gore now some people ask the question is Taiwan part of China does it belong to China etc because when most people say China they mean the People's Republic the answer is very simple no if you go there you'll see that they have their own government with two main political parties they have their own army their own flag and citizens of the People's Republic need a visa to go there the reason why people question Taiwan's independence is that although Taiwan functions as an independent country under the name the Republic of China or John Harmon GWAR it only has de facto independence from the mainland the communist regime claims Taiwan as part of its territory and has over 1,000 missiles aimed at the island the UN with the People's Republic of China occupying China's seat on the Security Council doesn't recognize the island under either name Taiwan or the Republic of China as an independent nation in 1992 the time Ernie's tried to follow the British example and reach a gentlemen's agreement with the Communists however they weren't really in as good a position to negotiate they agreed on something called the one-china policy or eager John Gorge under an agreement between China and Taiwan that acknowledges that there can only be one legitimate representative of China yet each party can choose their own interpretation of who represents China in addition other states also have to choose just one of the two China's to have diplomatic relations with they can't have both as you can imagine most of them chose the larger People's Republic of China so now most people refer to the People's Republic of China as China and the Republic of China as Taiwan so that's the structure of China or the to China's however you want to look at it stick around for a Pete of all that vocabulary and don't forget to subscribe to our channel for more useful Chinese phrases every week Oh Oh

Help coming for canola farmers, says Trudeau | Power & Politics



we're going to continue to focus on standing up for our farmers to protecting our canola producers and other agricultural industries even as we continue to work with China for a path forward MPs are back in Ottawa after a two-week break back in their constituencies and the opposition came out swinging against the federal government this morning over its response to Canada's canola crisis China began banning some Canadian canola imports in early March widely viewed as retaliation for Canada's arrest of Huawei's CFO mung Wan Jo back in December conservative leader Andrew Shearer says he wants the prime minister to immediately do three things appoint an ambassador to China increased emergency financial aid for canola farmers and launched a formal trade complaint against China through the WTO this policy of appeasement that Justin Trudeau has pursued with the government in China has clearly not work they have escalated the situation they've gone from detaining citizens to now putting trade blockage trade barriers on one of our major exports so clearly doing nothing has resulted in Canada's position being weakened and the situation escalating so why hasn't the federal government announced any additional relief for farmers and what is it doing to heal the diplomatic rift with China marie-claude bibo is the Minister of Agriculture and she joins us now from the foyer of the House of Commons over in the West block hi Minister nice to see you again thanks for your time today thank you so in addition to Mr Shearer we had Saskatchewan premier Scott Moe on the show last week and they are both essentially calling and this is sort of the simplest thing that they're calling for an increase in emergency financial aid for canola farmers essentially they want that advance payment program the cap on it increased from $400,000 to $1,000,000 will you do that well I'm looking into it very carefully obviously increasing these program that type of program and this one specifically is one option that I'm looking at and it means putting more significant money on the table so I have to do some due diligence to make sure that it is the best we have to support even more our farmers because they'd already have access to this to this program up to $400,000 and with the first amount of $100,000 free of interest so it's already accessible to our farmers so I needed to take some time to look into it and make sure it was the right program and I need to do the due diligence because it is managed by a different Association throughout the country so I have to do it carefully that request from the premier first came about a month ago when he met with the prime minister so how much more time do you need to do that due diligence I'm about done with that but there is already different tools financial tools that our farmers producers can can use and I'm on this file since the first day and actually came right when I I was mandated as the Minister of Agriculture and agri-food and mid didn't take me took me two months like it took to man Mr Shearer to get involved in the file so sorry when will you when will the federal government make a decision on increasing the cap I take your point that they can already access four hundred thousand dollars but when will you make a decision on whether or not to increase that cap to a million dollars well I have different tools in front of me and it will be very soon what is very soon mean very soon it means that I would say I'm confident to have an answer before a week okay last time we spoke exactly a month ago you said you were trying to get a delegation to China to make the case for the food secure the issue of security and the issue of the science behind the food where does that request and today we are still adding conversation these technical scientific conversation through video conferences now so the our team at the CFI the Canadian Food Inspection Agency is having this type of conversation with the customs China office officials does that mean that no delegation will go to China eventually hopefully but for the time being we are still having the scientific conversation through video conference was the request was there a specific request made to the government in China to send a delegation in person yes I did ask for a delegation who would be led by the President of the caf but for the time being we are pursuing the video conference conversation what was China's response to that original request for the time-being video conference seems to be the approach and we are ready to move and to go to China as soon as it is appropriate does that mean that China said no at this point to sending a delegation there no did it end refused we're just pursuing through this type of technical communication so help me help me understand that if they didn't say no why wouldn't we be sending someone and I'm asking because I'm guessing we've had it we've had a number of representatives from the canola industry on they are very anxious to try and get some face-to-face conversations in in China in order to prove that their product has no issues with it so if you're saying that the Chinese government didn't say no to it why wouldn't you send that delegation the message right the message is not now which is not new and I can assure you that we are having ongoing conversations we have a very competent and dedicated representative in China with mr. Nicol and we are following the convert the conversation ends the issue very very carefully I understand it is so important for our farmers and their families I understand that at this time of the year it's seeding season it's even more difficult for them and we are really working as a team with my my colleagues Minister Freedland and Minister Khar so we can find a solution to this just to be clear when you say the message is not now is that the message from your government to canola farmers or is that the message from the Chinese government to your government this is the situation we are in between you know going through this conversation with the Chinese officers the story that doesn't really answer are you saying that China said to Canada you can't send a delegation now but maybe in the future we haven't had such a clear response but we definitely have have not had any refusal of our request does it concern you that you haven't had a clear response to the request I mean what should Canadians take from that as long as we continue the conversation videoconference is still a good way to communicate and we are still asking for evidence of that irregularity that there are some kind of past they told us they have found we need to see it we need to see evidence we because I mean we have very high quality the best Canole in the world we have a very robust inspection systems and we stand by these you know high quality products and and inspection systems and it's important for our reputation and our exports you mentioned the country's representative there mr. nickles at this point when will the federal government appoint a new ambassador to China this is a decision that has to be taken very carefully i minister free land and the Prime Minister all looking at it has there been I know that China needs to provide sort of approval al-khaimah on on the appointment has an appointment on name being put forward by the federal government here Minister freelance is in charge of this file obviously with the Prime Minister so you you don't know you can't answer one way or another if there is I mean this is affecting obviously I'm asking in the context of this current crisis with canola right that's why I mean there are again Scott Mo was on we've had other canola producers on wondering why this isn't sort of being taken up at the highest political level possible and I'm just wondering if there is a timeline the federal government is operating under to appoint someone at that level to represent our country there it is being taken care of by you know the highest level with the Prime Minister being personally involved and the Minister of Foreign Affairs we take it very very seriously and we work as I want to put the emphasis on the fact that we are working as as a team not only within the government but also with the industry with our provincial counterparts with the two busy companies that are directly involved and with the associations representing the canola farmers we have a working room and we are really evaluating all the options we have in front of us to support our farmers and their families to diversify our markets as well it's it's really I mean we're working together Canadians be worried that if the Canadian government can't even get a specific response to his request to send a delegation to China that getting a grandma on the appointment of an ambassador of an ambassador might be impossible I would definitely not say it's impossible but who want to do the things in the right order at the right moment is there a timeline though I mean you were able to say within a week you're gonna pick you're gonna decide on whether or not to increase the amount of cash advances is there a timeline for appointing a new ambassador I cannot be so specific for this question okay one final question for you Norway experienced something similar in which because of a political issue salmon which was primarily exported to China was banned for a number of years it took about seven years for that to be resolved do you think that canola farmers and other Pulse farmers in pulse crop farmers in this country should be looking at a similar timeline hopefully not I mean we are working in in a way that we want to find a solution as quickly as possible with China because it is a very important importers of canola Canadian canola so we really want to find a solution as soon as possible and we are also working hard to diversify our markets and to open new markets and the fact that we have signed a free trade agreement with Europe and with the trans-pacific region also opens new opportunities for our canola farmers surely those markets right away will not supplant 40 percent of the market that are you know that farmers export to right now that's not that is that something I mean what's the timeline for that I mean I agree with you it it takes some time but we can we are already in discussions with the countries which are already importing our products to see their interest in increasing their imports and also trying to open up new markets I will be in Japan shortly for the g20 I will have opportunities to have some of these discussions Minister Khar is very very much involved in this strategy to open up new markets okay I'll leave it there thank you very much Minister vivo I appreciate your time today thank you if it's Agriculture Minister marie-claude be both from the FOIA the House of Commons so what should the Prime Minister do geese and Jacques served as Canada's ambassador to China from 2012 to 2016 he's now senior fellow at the University of Alberta's China Institute and joins us from Montreal via FaceTime hi mister sanjeok great to see you again good evening let me start with something that the agriculture minister told us today in her interview she essentially confirmed that the request had been made by the federal government to send a delegation including the head of the CFIA to China to talk about the science behind the claims they're making around canola seed and that there had not been a response to that essentially not a no but not a yes and that there some there's some sort of communication happening via videoconference what do you read into that well in my view it just confirmed that the Chinese government does not want to meet with anyone until we promise that we will free mrs. bong and of course the situation is getting worse every day because now it's not only your question that our canola exports are no longer welcomed but that exports of piece of pork of lentils are and so on are experiencing delays on arrival in China and I think the Chinese government wants to send a message to its importers that if they want to import commodities from Canada they may experience the delays and as a result people are looking elsewhere on top of this I know also that contracts have been delayed or canceled and also what is more worrisome maybe is I've learned last week that in fact the central government of China has asked all provinces to make a list of all the ongoing transactions with Canadian companies and I think it's just another example that they want to build up an inventory of possible targets for future measures directed at Canada can you tell me a bit more about that how do you how do you know that and what could that mean well the we know it's the usual playbook of China when they are angry at a country they will take all kinds of measures to penalize this country and of course it's a it's very easy for them to request such information from companies I have learned this from a the Canadian company that has long been established in in China that has very good relations with its Chinese partners and they were informed by their one of their good contacts that this request had been received from Beijing and that they had to produce all those those lists and so I see this as a confirmation that the the crisis is worsening I think that the the policy that has been pursued by the government to try to have quiet diplomacy with the China was the good one but clearly we are we have in the role because China does not want to respond and I think it's time for the akkadian government to announce a number of measures so what kinds of measures I mean you were on the show a few weeks ago and you were mentioning the idea of Chinese athletes and doing something in that respect what kinds of measures specifically do you think the government could pursue that wouldn't put in jeopardy what's already at stake and I'm speaking not only of canola but of course of those two gentlemen Michael Kovac and Michael's father who have been detained for a number of months now yeah well you're right they have been detained now for four and a half months that mean that we are getting close to June 10th at which point the Chinese government will have to decide whether they want to file official charges and presumably that would be of espionage against them or whether they would extend the interrogation phase but so far we have not been able to to do anything to for them so in my view because the there has been agreed in the confidence and in the trust that is required as part of the contact of normal bilateral relations I think that Canon government should announce that Canada will no longer pursue a free trade agreement with China because of this trust that has disappeared I think also that we should announce that we will try to diversify our trade and for that reason the resources the additional resources that were announced in the federal budget last year that we're going to be devoted to China should be transferred to other countries in Asia to take full advantage of the free trade agreements that we have negotiated under the CP TPP and the with with South Korea for instance I think also that we should go to the WTO to file an official charge against China for what they are doing to our canola export without me given China's sort of attitude towards the WTO well I think the we have no alternative the course pursued so far has led to no results I think this would get their attention I think we are at the stage where we have to be firm because this this is the only language that China understand on top of that I think it's time to recognize that we need to review our engagement strategy with China and see in which sector we will collaborate and in the future I had mentioned expelling Chinese athletes that are training for the Winter Olympics that will take place in Beijing in 2022 of course in all the governor has to take into account that of course any measure that we will take will be looked at in Beijing and they will want to apply reciprocity but again I think the course that has been pursued so far has not produced any result we are now starting to see a very important economic impact on Canada's exports to China and this is too bad because last year turned out to be the best year in terms of our exports to China we had a growth of 17 percent and we exported for twenty seven point six billion dollars of of goods it was mostly an increase in our commodities but this year we will suffer a huge reduction but if we don't take measures I think China will just continue to put more pressure on Canada and when you look at the amount of time that will be required to complete the extradition process in the case of mrs. Mann that means that we have to brace ourselves for a process that will go on possibly for four years for a long time okay I have to leave it there I'm out of time but thank you so much mr. sanjeok I appreciate your time today thank you very much