Chris Wallace challenges Dem on not holding official impeachment vote


>>Chris: KEVIN CORKE REPORTING FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. KEVIN, THANK YOU. JOINING US NOW FROM FLORIDA, CONGRESSWOMAN VAL DEMINGS, A DEMOCRAT ON THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, AND THE FORMER ORLANDO POLICE CHIEF, CONGRESSWOMAN, WELCOME TO “FOX NEWS SUNDAY.”>>Representative Demings: GOOD MORNING, CHRIS, IT’S GREAT TO BE HERE.>>Chris: BASED ON THE WITNESS IS THAT THE COMMITTEE HEARD FROM THIS WEEK, BASED ON THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED, DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NO HARD EVIDENCE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP COMMITTED HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS, AND DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE HOUSE WILL NOW VOTE TO IMPEACH HIM?>>Representative Demings: WELCOME CHRIS, LET ME BEGIN HERE, AS YOU’VE ALREADY INDICATED, I SERVED A LOT OF YEARS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. I HAD THE HONOR OF SERVING IN EVERY RANK AT MY DEPARTMENT. I EVEN WAS APPOINTED TO CHIEF OF POLICE. I TOOK THAT JOB VERY SERIOUSLY AS I TAKE THIS JOB. WHEN I MADE THE DECISION TO RUN FOR CONGRESS, I SAID THAT THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF OUR NATION IS MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, AS IT SHOULD BE, BECAUSE THAT IS THE FOUNDATION I BELIEVE THAT WE BUILD THE AMERICAN DREAM UPON. I BELIEVE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE OVER THE PAST ABOUT TEN DAYS OR SO RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT’S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE PRESIDENT TRIED TO COERCE A FOREIGN COUNTRY INTO INVESTIGATING A POLITICAL RIVAL AND USE MUCH-NEEDED MILITARY AID AS A CONDITION OF THE DEAL. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RATE OUT THE ADMINISTRATION, FROM THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF, IT CORROBORATES EVERYTHING, ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT IS IN THE WHISTLE-BLOWER’S REPORT, AND SO WE CANNOT IGNORE WHAT IS PAINFULLY — OR OBVIOUSLY RIGHT IN FRONT OF US AND YES I DO BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT DANGEROUSLY ABUSED HIS OATH OF OFFICE AND HIS ADMINISTRATIVE POWERS, WHICH RISKS OUR NATIONAL SECURITY.>>Chris: SO TO AGAIN ASK YOU A QUESTION DIRECTLY, DO YOU BELIEVE HE IS GUILTY OF HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS AND THAT THE HOUSE WILL IMPEACH HIM?>>Representative Demings: I BELIEVE THAT AN ABUSE OF POWER AS WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE LAST TEN DAYS THAT HAVE BEEN SO DETAILED AND APPROPRIATELY LAID OUT BY THE WHISTLE-BLOWER, I THINK THE ELEMENTS ARE THERE. I THINK THAT THE EVIDENCE WE NEED ARE THERE AND I DO BELIEVE, BASED ON THAT, THAT WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AT ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT.>>Chris: WHAT’S YOUR REACTION TO THE REPORT THIS MORNING THAT THERE IS NOW A SECOND WHISTLE-BLOWER, A SECOND INTELLIGENCE AGENT. APPARENTLY HE HAS NOT FILED A COMPLAINT YET WITH YOUR COMMITTEE BUT HE — OR SHE, I SHOULD SAY — HAS SPOKEN TO THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY’S INSPECTOR GENERAL?>>Representative Demings: LET ME JUST SAY THIS, CHRIS, LET’S DEAL WITH THE FIRST WHISTLE-BLOWER. I BELIEVE THIS IS A CAREER SERVICE EMPLOYEE, A PUBLIC SERVANT. I CONSIDER HIM OR HER A PATRIOT, SOMEONE WHO IS AWARE OF WRONGDOING AND HAS STEPPED FORWARD AT RISK, I BELIEVE, TO THEMSELVES. OF COURSE I SUPPORT WHAT SENATOR GRASSLEY SAID NEXT DOOR MICHAEL LAST WEEK, THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT THE WHISTLE-BLOWER. I’M CONCERNED ABOUT STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE FROM THE PRESIDENT ABOUT MAYBE WE SHOULD HANDLE THIS PERSON LIKE WE USED TO IN THE OLD DAYS, AND THE REPORTING THAT A SECOND WHISTLE-BLOWER HAS COME FORWARD OR IS ABOUT TO COME FORWARD, I BELIEVE AGAIN WOULD BE SOMEONE WHO SEES WRONGDOING, HERE IS WRONGDOING, AND WANTS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.>>Chris: IT NOW THE WHITE HOUSE, AS I POINTED AT THE BEGINNING, THAT YOUR COMMITTEE, THE HOUSE, HAS VOTED TO SUBPOENA DOCUMENTS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS IT WILL NOT RELEASE THOSE DOCUMENTS, WILL NOT TURN THEM OVER, UNLESS THE FULL HOUSE VOTES TO AUTHORIZE AND IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, AS WAS DONE IN THE CASES OF BILL CLINTON AND RICHARD NIXON. WHY IS HOW SPEAKER PELOSI REFUSING TO HOLD A FORMAL IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY ABOUT?>>Representative Demings: CHRIS, LET ME SAY THIS, I WOULD HOPE — THIS IS BEEN A PAINFUL TIME, THIS PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS NOW. I WOULD HOPE THAT THE WHITE HOUSE WOULD COOPERATE WITH CONGRESS AND ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGE THE OVERSIGHT THAT WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO. HOWEVER, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT UNDER THE CONSTITUTION THAT WE HAVE A FULL HOUSE BOAT. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT UNDER HOUSE RULES THAT WE HAVE A FULL HOUSE BOAT AND THERE IS NO PRECEDENT THAT WE HAVE A FULL HOUSE VOTE THAT REALLY DRIVES WHAT WE DO. SPOON WHITE, CONGRESSWOMAN, YOU SAY THERE’S NO PRECEDENT. THERE’VE ONLY BEEN TWO TIMES IN THE HISTORY UNDER THE RULES THAT WE NOW HAVE, ANDREW JOHNSON BACK IN THE 1860s WAS DIFFERENT. IN BOTH THE BILL CLINTON CASE AND THE RICHARD NIXON CASE THERE WAS A CLEAR PRECEDENT, THE FULL HOUSE VOTED AND AUTHORIZED A FULL IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, SO THERE IS A PRECEDENT.>>Representative Demings: THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT, AGAIN, UNDER THE CONSTITUTION, AND NO REQUIREMENT UNDER HOUSE RULES THAT THAT IS THE PROCEDURE THAT WE FOLLOW. CHRIS, LET ME JUST SAY THIS. THIS PAST TEN DAYS HAS BEEN PAINFUL FOR MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE COMMITTEE. OBVIOUSLY IT’S BEEN QUITE PAINFUL FOR THE SENATE EVEN THOUGH TOO MANY SENATORS ARE QUIET ON THIS ISSUE, AND SO WE NEED TO CONDUCT A VERY METHODICAL, VERY THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. WE NEED TO TALK TO ALL FACT WITNESSES, WE NEED TO IDENTIFY OR REVIEW ALL DOCUMENTS AS WE BEGIN THE PROCESS OF MAKING A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL DECISION. AND SO BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, I BELIEVE THAT EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD BE PAINFULLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE WITNESSED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.>>Chris: WE ALSO LEARNED THIS WEEK THAT THE ORIGINAL, THE FIRST WHISTLE-BLOWER, ORIGINALLY REACHED OUT TO THE DEMOCRATIC STAFF OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE ALL THE WAY BACK IN AUGUST AND YET ON SEPTEMBER SEPTEMBER 17TH, YOUR CHAIRMAN, ADAM SCHIFF, WAS ASKED ABOUT ANY CONTACT WITH THE WHISTLE-BLOWER, HERE’S WHAT HE SAID.>>WE HAVE NOT SPOKEN DIRECTLY WITH THE WHISTLE-BLOWER. WE WOULD LIKE TO.>>Chris: “THE WASHINGTON POST” GAVE CHAIRMAN SCHIFF FOUR PINOCCHIOS THERE, HIGHEST LEVEL OF FALSEHOOD FOR THAT COMMENT AND HERE’S HOW PRESIDENT TRUMP REACTED.>>I THINK IT’S A SCANDAL THAT HE KNEW BEFORE. I WOULD GO A STEP FURTHER, I THINK HE PROBABLY HELPED WRITE IT.>>Chris: FIRST OF ALL, IS THERE ANY EXCUSE FOR THE CHAIRMAN NOT BEING UP FRONT AND SAYING THERE WAS CONTACT, AND SECONDLY, DIDN’T CHAIRMAN SCHIFF IN EFFECT GET ADVANCE WORD — MAYBE IT WASN’T DETAILED, BUT SOME ADVANCE WORD ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE COMPLAINT, WHICH LED HIM TO PUSH THE STORY EVEN BEFORE ALL OF YOU GOT THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRESIDENT’S PHONE CALL?>>Representative Demings: CHRIS, LET ME JUST SAY THIS. WITH THE PRESIDENT BEING ACCUSED OF USING HIS POWER AND ABUSING HIS OFFICE TO COERCE A FOREIGN COUNTRY TO ASSIST IN AN ELECTION, IT’S KIND OF AMAZING THAT WE WOULD TRY TO MAKE THE NEWS OF THE DAY CENTERED AROUND CHAIRMAN SCHIFF’S WORDS AS IT PERTAINS TO CONTACT WITH WHISTLE-BLOWER. CHAIRMAN SCHIFF AS, AS YOU KNOW, HAS SERVED SEVERAL TERMS IN CONGRESS. HE HAS BEEN A PERSON WHO HAS PROVIDED EXCEPTIONAL LEADERSHIP AND CHAIRMAN SCHIFF SAID HE COULD HAVE STATED — RESPONDED TO THAT QUESTION IN A MORE CLEAR WAY. WHEN HE WAS ASKED THE QUESTION, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HE WAS THINKING OF HAS THE WHISTLE-BLOWER COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE. IS THE COMMITTEE AWARE OF THE NATURE OF THE COMPLAINT? NO. AT THE WHISTLE-BLOWER HAD NOT COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE, NOR WAS THE COMMITTEE OR EVEN STAFF AWARE, NECESSARILY THE NATURE OF THE COMPLAINT. IT WAS A QUESTION ABOUT PROCEDURE AND PROCESS.>>Chris: I’M RUNNING OUT OF TIME, SO LET ME ASK YOU MY FINAL QUESTION. THERE IS ALSO CRITICISM OF CHAIRMAN SCHIFF FOR THE WAY HE LAID OUT, THE WAY HE BASICALLY SEEMED TO STATE PRESIDENT TRUMP’S PHONE CALL WITH THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT IN THAT CONGRESSIONAL HEARING WITH THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE. HERE IS CHAIRMAN SCHIFF.>>I HAVE A FAVOR I WANT FROM YOU THOUGH, AND I’M GOING TO SAY THIS ONLY SEVEN TIMES, SO YOU BETTER LISTEN GOOD. I WANT YOU TO MAKE UP DIRT ON MY POLITICAL OPPONENT, UNDERSTAND? LOTS OF IT.>>Chris: AS PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS, IT’S JUST NOT TRUE. IT IS NOT WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAYS. YOU KNOW, IT’S ONE THING — BECAUSE THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT CHAIRMAN SCHIFF, HE AT ONE TIME TALKED ABOUT HAVING EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION IN THE RUSSIA CASE, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION. IT’S ONE THING TO TALK LIKE THAT EVEN IN A PRESS CONFERENCE. IT’S ANOTHER THING TO MAKE STUFF UP IN A CONGRESSIONAL HEARING ON THE POSSIBLE IMPEACHMENT OF A PRESIDENT.>>Representative Demings: CHRIS, I BELIEVE WHAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S REPORT SAID WAS THAT THE ELEMENTS OF CONSPIRACY, THAT THE INFORMATION THEY WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN THROUGH ALL OF THE OBSTRUCTIVE EFFORTS TO PREVENT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL FROM GETTING ALL THE INFORMATIO INFORMATION, THAT THE ELEMENTS DID NOT RISE TO THE LEVEL OF CHARGE AND CONSPIRACY. WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID WAS, AFTER PRESIDENT ZELENSKY INDICATED THAT HE WAS READY TO PURCHASE MORE MILITARY WEAPONRY, THE PRESIDENT SAID “BUT I NEEDED TO DO ME A FAVOR THOUGH.” THAT’S NOT DISPUTED IN ANY WAY AND WE KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT MADE REFERENCE, ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, — AS A FORMER POLICE DETECTIVE, CHRIS, I’VE SEEN WHEN EVIDENCE WAS SO PAINFULLY OBVIOUS — I’VE SEEN THE SUBJECT OF AN INVESTIGATION TURN AND ATTACK THE INVESTIGATORS. WE NOT ONLY SEE THAT FROM THIS PRESIDENT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE CERTAINLY SEEN BEFORE FROM HIM. WE NEED TO KEEP OUR EYE ON THE

Trump on fake news, freedom of the press


♪ ♪>>Chris: WE ARE BACK NOW WITH MORE FROM OUR EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP. ABOUT AN HOUR BEFORE WE SAT DOWN WITH THE PRESIDENT THERE WAS BREAKING NEWS, A RULING ON THE CNN LAWSUIT AGAINST THE WHITE HOUSE FOR PULLING A REPORTER’S PRESS PASS. CNN ARGUED THAT TRUMP ADMINISTRATION VIOLATED ITS FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. ADMINISTRATION LAWYERS SAID MR. TRUMP CAN EXCLUDE ANY REPORTER HE WANTS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE GROUNDS. AND THAT’S WHERE WE STARTED IN THE SECOND PART OF OUR INTERVIEW WITH THE PRESIDENT.>>Chris: A FEDERAL JUDGE WHO YOU APPOINTED HAS JUST ROLLED THAT YOU MUST GIVE CNN REPORTER JIM ACOSTA’S PRESS PASS BACK. YOUR REACTION?>>President Trump: IT’S MINE. IT’S NOT A BIG DEAL. WHAT THEY SAID WAS WE HAVE TO CREATE RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR CONDUCT. WERE DOING THAT, WERE WRITING THEM UP RIGHT NOW AND MISS BEHAVIOR, WE WILL THROW THEM OUT OR WE WILL STOP THE NEWS CONFERENCE.>>Chris: WHAT ARE YOUR RULES GOING TO BE? THIS IS OVER THE LINE –>>President Trump: WE ARE DOING THEM NOW. YOU CAN’T KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS. WE HAD A LOT OF REPORTERS IN THAT ROOM. MANY, MANY REPORTERS IN THAT ROOM AND THEY WERE UNABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS BECAUSE THIS GUY GETS UP AND STARTS DOING WHAT HE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING FOR HIM AND FOR CNN AND JUST SHOUTING OUT QUESTIONS BUT I WILL SAY THIS, LOOK. NOBODY BELIEVES IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT MORE THAN I DO AND IF I THINK NOBODY IS ACTING OUT OF SORTS I WILL LEAVE, I WILL SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYBODY, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND I WILL LEAVE. AND THOSE REPORTERS WILL NOT BE TOO FRIENDLY TO WHOEVER IT IS THAT IS ACTING OUT.>>Chris: WHY DIDN’T YOU CALL ON HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE? IT SEEMS TO BE A SIMPLE SOLUTION, JUST DON’T CALL ON HI HIM.>>President Trump: I LIKE TO DO IT BUT IN MANY CASES I DON’T. HE’S UNBELIEVABLY RUDE TO SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS, A WONDERFUL WOMAN. UNBELIEVABLY RUDE AND I SEE THAT AND I ACTUALLY ASK HER THE SAME, WHY DO COLONIES PEOPLE THAT ARE SO NASTY AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL DO IS WE WILL TURN THE CAMERA OFF THAT FACES THEM BECAUSE THEY MAY DON’T HAVE ANY TIME. I WILL MAYBE BE SUED FOR THAT. YOU NEVER KNOW IT’S GOING TO HAPPEN.>>Chris: LET’S GET TO THE BIGGER ISSUE. IN 2017, LAST YEAR YOU TWEETED THIS AND I WANT TO QUOTE IT ACCURATELY. “THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA IS NOT MY ENEMY, IT IS THE ENEMY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.>>President Trump: IT’S TRUE, 100%. AT THE MEDIA. I’M GLAD YOU’RE FINALLY QUOTING IT CORRECTLY BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO LEAVE THE FAKE NEWS OUT.>>Chris: BUT THAT’S WHAT YOU SAID.>>President Trump: THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPORTING ME IN PARTICULAR, THEY ARE VERY SMART PEOPLE. THEY ARE HARDWORKING, GREAT PEOPLE. THEY KNOW WHEN THE NEWS IS FAKE AND THEY GET ANGRY WHEN THEY SEE ALL OF THE FAKENESS.>>Chris: PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CRITICAL OF OTHER PRESIDENTS, NO PRESIDENT HAD LIKED HIS PRESS COVERAGE. JOHN KENNEDY AND YOUR OVAL OFFICE CANCELED THE SUBSCRIPTION TO THE NEW YORK HERALD TRIBUNE. NOBODY CALLED IT THE ENEMY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.>>President Trump: THE FAKE NEWS IS THE ENEMY — IT’S FAKE, IT’S PHONY. I DON’T MIND GETTING BAD NEWS IF I’M WRONG. IF I DO SOMETHING WRONG, LIKE FOR INSTANCE THE CEMETERY. I WAS NOT ALLOWED TO GO BECAUSE OF THE SECRET SERVICE, BECAUSE THEY EXPECTED TO TAKE A HELICOPTER. THEY HAD ZERO VISIBILITY. THEY SAID WE ARE TOTALLY UNEQUIPPED FOR YOU TO GO. IN ADDITION TO THAT THE CEMETERY WAS FAR TOO FAR AWAY FROM AIR FORCE ONE WHICH IS SORT OF LIKE A CONTROL CENTER THAT YOU HAVE TO BE NEAR. NOT ONE PAPER THAT I SAW WROTE IT THAT WAY. THEY SAID I STAYED OUT OF IT BECAUSE OF THE RAIN. AND YET THE FOLLOWING DAY I MADE A SPEECH AT THE AMERICAN CEMETERY. IT WAS POURING. IT WASN’T EVEN REALLY RAINING BUT THE FOG WAS TREMENDOUS.>>Chris: LEADERS AND IN AUTHORITARIAN COUNTRIES LIKE RUSSIA, CHINA, VENEZUELA NOW WERE PRESS THE MEDIA USING YOUR WORDS.>>President Trump: I CAN’T TALK FOR OTHER PEOPLE, I CAN ONLY TALK FOR ME. I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU. YOU SOMETIMES MAY BE BUT I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU. THE NEWS ABOUT ME IS LARGELY PHONY. IT’S FALSE. EVEN SOMETIMES THEY WILL SAY SOURCES SAY — THERE IS NO SOURCE.>>Chris: I UNDERSTAND YOU DON’T LIKE YOUR COVERAGE.>>President Trump: 94%.>>Chris: CAN I BRING THE BIGGER ISSUE UP? MCRAVEN, RETIRED ADMIRAL, NAVY SEAL 37 YEARS, FORMER –>>President Trump: HILLARY CLINTON FAN. EXCUSE ME, HILLARY CLINTON FAN.>>Chris: LED THE OPERATIONS, COMMANDED THE OPERATIONS THAT TOOK DOWN SADDAM HUSSEIN AND KILLED OSAMA BIN LADEN SAID THAT YOUR SENTIMENT IS THE GREATEST THREAT TO, CHRISSY IN HIS LIFETIME>>President Trump: HILLARY CLINTON BACKER AND AN OBAMA BACKER AND FRANKLY –>>Chris: HE IS A NAVY SEAL.>>President Trump: WOULD HAVE GOTTEN OSAMA BIN LADEN A LOT SOONER. IT WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN NICE. LIVING IN PAKISTAN, BEAUTIFULLY IN PAKISTAN AND WHAT I GUESS WAS CONSIDERED A NIGHT MANSION. I’VE SEEN NICER. WE GET PAKISTAN $1.3 BILLION A YEAR WHEN THEY DON’T TELL THEM.>>President Trump: YOU’RE NOT EVEN GOING TO GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR TAKING DOWN BIN LADEN?>>President Trump: LOOK, THERE’S NEWS RIGHT THERE. HE LIVED IN PAKISTAN. WE ARE SUPPORTING PAKISTAN. WE ARE GIVING A $1.3 BILLION A YEAR, WHICH WE DON’T DO ANYMORE, I ENDED IT. I’M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF THE MEDIA, I’M IN FAVOR OF FREE PRESS. WHEN IT’S FAKE –>>Chris: YOU DON’T GET TO DECIDE WHAT IS FAIR AND WHAT’S NOT.>>President Trump: I CAN TELL YOU WHAT’S FAIR AND WHAT’S NOT. AND SO CAN MY PEOPLE.>>Chris: I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT –>>President Trump: WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING VERY GOOD — AS AN EXAMPLE –>>Chris: BARACK OBAMA WHINED ABOUT FOX NEWS ALL THE TIME BUT HE NEVER SAID WE WERE THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE.>>President Trump: HE DIDN’T TALK ABOUT THE NEWS. HE DIDN’T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING. I’M ONLY SAYING IT VERY DIFFERENTLY THAN ANYONE HAS EVER SAID IT BEFORE. I AM SAYING FAKE NEWS, FALSE REPORTING, DISHONEST REPORTING, OF WHICH THERE IS A LOT, AND I KNOW IT. I KNOW IT BECAUSE I’M A SUBJECT OF IT. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON’T KNOW IT BUT WHEN I EXPLAINED IT TO THEM THEY UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW THAT BETTER THAN — YOU DON’T HAVE TO SIT HERE AND ACT LIKE A PERFECT LITTLE WONDERFUL INNOCENT ANGEL. I KNOW YOU TOO WELL, I KNOW YOUR FATHER TOO WELL. THAT’S NOT YOUR JANE.>>Chris: I THINK SOME OF THE COVERAGE OF YOU, AND I’VE SET IT ON THE RECORD, IS BIASED, BUT I DON’T THINK –>>President Trump: MOST OF IT IS BIASED.>>Chris: I DON’T KNOW BUT THE IDEA THAT YOU CALL US THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE.>>President Trump: I’M NOT CALLING YOU THAT.>>Chris: WE ARE ALTOGETHER.>>President Trump: NO. I’M NOT CALLING YOU –>>President Trump: IT DOESN’T MATTER WHEN YOU CALL ME. WHEN YOU CALL CNN AND “THE NEW YORK TIMES,” WE ARE IN SOLIDARITY, SIR.>>President Trump: FAKENESS, FAKE REPORTING IS WHAT’S TEARING THIS COUNTRY APART BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND THEY ARE NOT HEARING ABOUT IT.>>Chris: WHERE DO YOU RANK YOURSELF IN THE PANTHEON OF GREAT PRESIDENTS? THERE IS A LINCOLN AND, THERE’S FDR AND REAGAN. DO YOU MAKE THE TOP TEN?>>President Trump: I THINK I’M DOING A GREAT JOB. WE HAVE THE BEST ECONOMY WE’VE EVER HAD.>>Chris: SO WHERE DO YOU RANK YOURSELF?>>President Trump: WE WOULD BE IN WAR WITH NORTH KOREA IF THAT ADMINISTRATION HAD CONTINUED FORWARD. I HATE TO DO IT BUT I WILL DO IT. I GIVE MYSELF AN A+. IS THAT ENOUGH? CAN I GO HIGHER THAN THAT?>>Chris: CAN YOU ENVISION A SITUATION — YOU TALK ABOUT SIX WIRES, CAN YOU ENVISION A SITUATION WELL INTO YOUR SECOND TERM WHERE YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE SO GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY AND SO ESSENTIAL FOR THE PROGRESS OF THE COUNTRY THAT YOU WOULD TRY TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION SO YOU COULD SERVE A THIRD TERM?>>President Trump: NO.>>Chris: WHY NOT?>>President Trump: IT JUST WON’T HAPPEN. I THINK THE EIGHT YEAR LIMIT IS A GOOD THING, NOT A BAD THING.>>Chris: WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE CEMETERY AND THE FACT THEY DIDN’T GO BECAUSE IT WAS A SECURITY CONCERN AND YOU DID GO THE NEXT DAY.>>President Trump: EXCUSE ME, NOT SECURITY CONCERN. THEY WOULDN’T ALLOW ME TO GO. THEY SAID — SECRET SERVICE SAID SIR, YOU CANNOT GO, WE ARE NOT PREPARED. YOU CANNOT GO BECAUSE THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A HELICOPTER BUT THE HELICOPTER COULDN’T FLY. THEY SAID YOU CANNOT GO.>>Chris: HERE’S THE QUESTION, YOU ARE BACK IN WASHINGTON ON MONDAY, VETERANS DAY, WHY DON’T YOU GO ACROSS THE RIVER TO ARLINGTON FOR THAT CEREMONY? BARACK OBAMA WENT EVERY YEAR HE WAS HERE IN D.C.>>President Trump: I SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT. I WAS EXTREMELY BUSY ON THE CALLS FOR THE COUNTRY. WE DID A LOT OF CALLING, AS YOU KNOW.>>Chris: BUT THIS IS VETERANS DAY.>>President Trump: IN RETROSPECT I SHOULD HAVE, AND I DID LAST YEAR AND I WILL VIRTUALLY EVERY YEAR BUT WE HAD COME IN VERY LATE AT NIGHT AND I HAD JUST LEFT LITERALLY THE AMERICAN CEMETERY IN PARIS AND I REALLY PROBABLY ASSUMED THAT WAS FINE AND I WAS EXTREMELY BUSY BECAUSE AFFAIRS OF STATE, DOING OTHER THINGS. BUT I WOULD HAVE DONE IT.>>Chris: WHY HAVEN’T YOU VISITED OUR TROOPS SERVING IN WAR ZONES AND IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN AND THE TWO YEARS YOU’VE BEEN IN OFFICE AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF?>>President Trump: I THINK YOU WILL SEE THAT HAPPEN. THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE BEING PLANNED. WE KNOW WHAT TO TALK ABOUT IT OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF SECURITY REASONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE PLANNED. AS YOU KNOW, I WAS VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO THE WAR IN IRAQ. I THINK IT WAS A TREMENDOUS MISTAKE. I DON’T THINK ANYBODY HAS BEEN — AS A PRESIDENT IN TERMS OF FUNDING, IN TERMS OF ALL OF THE THINGS I’VE BEEN ABLE TO GET THEM INCLUDING THE VETS, I DON’T THINK ANYBODY HAS DONE MORE THAN ME. I’VE HAD AN UNBELIEVABLE BUSY SCHEDULE AND I WILL BE DOING IT, ON TOP OF WHAT YOU HAVE THOSE PHONY WITCH HUNTS. ON TOP OF WHICH — WE’VE JUST BEEN VERY BUSY BUT I WILL BE DOING THAT.>>Chris: JUST BEFORE THE MIDTERMS SAID YOUR BIGGEST REGRET IS THAT PERHAPS YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD A SOFTER TONE IN HER TWO YEARS AS PRESIDENT, BUT SINCE THEN, SOME COULD ARGUE YOU’VE BEEN ON A TEAR. THE PRESS CONFERENCE THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION. YOU MOCKED SOME OF THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN WHO LOST, NOT EMBRACING YOU.>>ME A LOVE GAVE ME NO LOVE AND SHE LOST. TOO BAD, SORRY ABOUT THAT.>>Chris: THAT YOU WENT TWO AFRICAN-AMERICAN REPORTERS AND BASICALLY SAID THAT THERE WERE DOMINANT.>>THE SAME THING WITH APRIL RYAN. I WATCH HER GET UP. YOU TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT’S A LOSER. SHE DOESN’T KNOW WHAT SHE’S DOING.>>DO YOU WANT THEM TO REIGN IN ROBERT MUELLER?>>President Trump: WHAT A STUPID QUESTION THAT IS. WHAT A STUPID QUESTION BUT I WATCH YOU A LOT. YOU ASK A LOT OF STUPID QUESTIONS.>>Chris: QUESTION, I WAS IN ST. JOE’S MISSOURI THIS LAST WEEKEND, TALKING TO A LOT OF LOYAL REPUBLICANS. THEY LOVE WHAT YOU’VE DONE TO THE ECONOMY. THEY LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE BASICALLY PUT ISIS OUT OF BUSINESS. THE ONE THING THEY SAY IS WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE SO DIVISIVE? WHY DON’T YOU DO MORE TO BRING THE COUNTRY TOGETHER.>>President Trump: I THINK THAT IF I WAS VERY DIFFERENT I WOULDN’T HAVE GOTTEN WHAT WE HAD TO GET. THE BIGGEST TAX CUTS IN HISTORY, AND WATER APPROVED. GOT RID OF THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE, THE MOST UNPOPULAR THING YOU COULD IMAGINE, HEALTH CARE. I GOT RID OF IT, EVERYBODY SAID IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO GET RID OF IT. THE REGULATIONS. I THINK IF I WAS A MORE MODIFIED, MORE MODERATE IN THAT SENSE I DON’T THINK I WOULD HAVE DONE HALF OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS ABLE TO GET COMPLETED. WITH THAT BEING SAID, OTHER THAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN ABILITY TO FIGHT BACK, AND AS YOU KNOW PEOPLE — THEY TAKE STRONG STANCE ON ME BOTH WAYS. LOVE AND HATE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE BUT SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ME BUT A LOT OF TIMES YOU CAN’T PRACTICE TONE BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING AT YOU SO HARD THAT IF YOU DON’T FIGHT BACK IN A SOMEWHAT VIGOROUS WAY YOU’RE NOT GOING TO WIN AND WE HAVE TO WIN. THIS COUNTRY HAS TO WIN. WE HAVE A LOT OF VICTORIES COMING AND I THINK IF I GO TO LOKI WERE NOT GOING TO HAVE THOSE VICTORIES.>>Chris: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU.>>President Trump: THANK YOU.>>Chris: AT ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, ADMIRAL MCRAVEN NEVER ENDORSED A CANDIDATE FOR

Mark Sanford announces primary challenge to Trump


♪ ♪>>Chris: FORMER SOUTH CAROLINA GOVERNOR AND CONGRESSMAN MARK SANFORD ADMITS A PRIMARY CHALLENGE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP WOULD BE A “DAVID VERSUS GOLIATH MOMENT” BUT HE’S THINKING ABOUT IT. GOVERNOR SANFORD JOINS US EXCLUSIVELY HERE IN WASHINGTON AND WELCOME BACK TO “FOX NEWS SUNDAY.”>>Governor Sanford: MY PLEASURE.>>Chris: IT YOU ANNOUNCED IN JULY THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES AGAINST DONALD TRUMP. HE VISITED EARLY VOTING STATES LIKE NEW HAMPSHIRE AND IOWA. HAVE YOU MADE A DECISION? ARE YOU GOING TO ENTER THE RACE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP?>>Governor Sanford: I HAVE. I PLANNED TO ANNOUNCE THAT BACK HOME THIS WEEK. WE HAD A HURRICANE COME VISIT US ON THE COAST OF SOUTH CAROLINA SO THAT SORT OF DISRUPTED PLANS ON BUT I AM TELLING YOU KNOW I AM GOING TO GET IN.>>Chris: YOU’RE GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT AGAINST DONALD TRUMP IN THE PRIMARIES?>>Governor Sanford: I AM.>>Chris: WHY?>>Governor Sanford: BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A REPUBLICAN. I THINK IS A REPUBLICAN PARTY WE HAVE LOST OUR WAY AND I SAY SO ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FRONTS. I SAY FIRST AND SORT OF THE EPICENTER OF WHERE I’M COMING FROM IS THAT WE HAVE LOST OUR WAY ON DEBT AND DEFICIT SPENDING. ONE OF THE HALLMARKS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN HOW MUCH DO WE SPEND. THE ULTIMATE MEASURE OF GOVERNMENT IS HOW MUCH IT SPEND SPENDS. I THINK AS A PARTY WE’VE LOST OUR WAY. THE PRESIDENT HAS CALLED HIMSELF THE KING OF DEBT. A FAMILIARITY AND COMFORTABLE WITH DEBT THAT I THINK IS ULTIMATELY LEADING US IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. WE CAN GET INTO THOSE NUMBERS BUT THE NUMBERS ARE ASTOUNDING. JUST TAKE FOR INSTANCE HAS A DATA POINT THIS LAST DEAL THAT ADDS TO TRILLIONS R ADDS TO TRILLIONS L ADDS TO TRILLIONS I ADDS TO TRILLIONS N ADDS TO TRILLIONS E ADDS TO TRILLIONS T ADDS TO TRILLIONS . A THIRD OF A TRILLION DOLLARS IN NEW SPENDING AND REALLY THERE WASN’T CONVERSATION ON. I’D SAY THE EPICENTER IS WITH GOD TO HAVE NATIONAL CONVERSATION AND REPUBLICAN CONVERSATION ON WHERE ARE WE GOING.>>Chris: I GUESS HERE’S THE QUESTION –>>Governor Sanford: I WILL COME IN WITH SOME OTHERS.>>Chris: YOU GOT TO KNOW YOU BASICALLY HAVE NO CHANCE OF WINNING THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION, SO WHY RUN FOR PRESIDENT?>>Governor Sanford: I THINK HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SAID THAT THING TO DONALD TRUMP JUST A MATTER OF MONTHS AGO AS HE FACED THE LIKES OF JEB BUSH AND OTHERS.>>Chris: YOU WANT TO THINK OF A SERIOUS CHANCE?>>Governor Sanford: I’M SAYING YOU NEVER KNOW. I HAVE LISTED MY GOALS, MY PRIMARY GOALS TO SAY LET’S GO OUT AND FORCE AND TRY AND CREATE A CONVERSATION ON THAT WHICH IS NOT BEING TALKED ABOUT IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL CYCLE. ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS WE HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE A NATIONAL DEBATE ON WHERE WE’RE GOING NEXT. REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS AND AS AMERICANS AND THE THING THAT HAS BEEN LACKING IN THIS DEBATE HAS BEEN AN EARNEST AND REAL CONVERSATION ON DEBT AND DEFICIT AND GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND I FIND IT ASTOUNDING TO WATCH THE NUMBER OF DEMOCRATIC DEBATES THAT I’VE SEEN AND NO MENTION, NO CONVERSATION ON WHERE WE ARE GOING WITH REGARD TO DEBT AND ITS IMPLICATIONS FOR EVERYONE OF US.>>Chris: YOUR TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS A LONG SHOT FOUR YEARS AGO. FIRST OF ALL HE WASN’T RUNNING AGAINST AN INCUMBENT PRESIDENT OF HIS OWN PARTY. SECONDLY, LET’S LOOK AT SOME OF THE OBSTACLES THAT YOU FACED BECAUSE THERE ARE SIGNS — 85% APPROVE OF THE JOB THE PRESIDENT IS DOING SO HE’S GOT SUPPORT IN HIS OWN PARTY. A NUMBER OF STATES, INCLUDING HER HOME STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA JUST YESTERDAY HAVE DECIDED NOT TO HOLD PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARIES AT ALL AND THEY ARE HAS DONE AWAY WITH ITS COMMITTEE TO SET UP DEBATES. SO HOW DO YOU GET YOUR MESSAGE OUT — HOW DO YOU EVEN GET ON THE PLAYING FIELD WITH THE PRESIDENT TO HAVE THIS DEBATE?>>Governor Sanford: OR TALK ABOUT IT NOW, TALK ABOUT NATIONAL TELEVISION AND I’VE BEEN TALKING ON A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT OUTLOOKS OVER THE LAST MONTH OF I AS I’VE ENTERTAINED MONTH OF I AS I’VE ENTERTAINET MONTH OF I AS I’VE ENTERTAINEE IDEA. IT WOULD BE TO GO AND SPEND SERIOUS TIME IN NEW HAMPSHIRE AND IOWA AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER STATES. AGAIN, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A LONG WALK BUT IT BEGINS WITH THAT FIRST UP AND THAT’S WHAT I’M ANNOUNCING HERE TODAY. I WOULD ALSO SAY THIS, IT’S NOT JUST DEBT AND SPENDING, WHICH IS AGAIN MY PRIMARY FOCUS. THE FACT THAT WE ARE WALKING OUR WAY TOWARDS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL STORM I BELIEVE IN OUR COUNTRY SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION. THAT’S WHAT WE ARE WALKING TOWARD AND I THINK WE NEED TO, AGAIN, TO HAVE A REAL CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE AMERICAN DREAM AND WHAT THAT MEANS IN OUR ABILITY TO ACHIEVE A JOB, WEALTH, AND ALL THOSE THINGS TO GO WITH THE AMERICAN DREAM. AT WHAT I WOULD ALSO SAY IS WE WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION ON WHERE WE GOING ON TRADE, PROTECTIONISM, TURNING INWARD VERSUS OUTWARD. ONE OF THE HALLMARKS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A FOCUS ON THE WORLD AT LARGE AND THE RECOGNITION OF THE FACT THAT THOUGH WE WERE NOT ULTIMATELY IS A POPULATION THE BIG PLAYER IN THE WORLD, ECONOMICALLY WE WERE BECAUSE WE ENGAGED WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRUMP TARIFFS, YOU’RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER HOUSEHOLD. “THE WALL STREET JOURNAL” HAD AN ARTICLE JUST YESTERDAY TALKING ABOUT YOU’RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A ONE POINT DETERIORATION IN THE RATE OF GROWTH GOING FORWARD. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION THERE. THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ON THE DEGREE TO WHICH INSTITUTIONS AND POLITICAL CULTURE ARE BEING DAMAGED BY THIS PRESIDENT. IN THOSE INSTITUTIONS AND THE POLITICAL CULTURE IS REALLY THE GLUE THAT HOLDS TOGETHER OUR BALANCE OF POWER. AND FINALLY I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ON HUMILITY AND ONE’S APPROACH TO POLITICS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, A TWEET IS INTERESTING, MAY BE NEWSWORTHY, BUT IT’S NOT LEADERSHIP AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO SOLVE SOME OF THE PROFOUND PROBLEMS WE HAVE AS AMERICANS BY TWEET.>>Chris: IT YOU’RE IN THE RACE NOW. YOU’RE GOING TO GET ASKED TOUGH QUESTIONS, LET ME ASK YOU THE MOST OBVIOUS ONE. I THINK IT’S FAIR TO SAY, THAT YOUR BEST KNOWN AROUND THE COUNTRY AS THE GOVERNOR WHO DISAPPEARED FOR A WEEK IN 2009. YOUR AIDES SAID YOU WERE HIKING THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL. IN FACT YOU WERE A MARRIED GOVERNOR IN ARGENTINA WITH YOUR THEN-GIRLFRIEND. QUESTION, ISN’T THAT GOING TO BE A DEAL BREAKER FOR A LOT OF VOTERS?>>Governor Sanford: AGAIN, I ACTUALLY WENT ON AN APOLOGY TO HER, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT, BACK HOME IN THE WAKE OF THAT IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OF MY GOVERNORSHIP. AND WHAT I LEARNED THROUGH THAT IS I GUESS WHAT GENERAL MATTIS TALKS ABOUT, MISTAKES IN LIFE, MISTAKES THAT WE MAKE, OF THE GREAT TUITIONS OF LIFE. THEY COST US, BUT YOU CAN LEARN FROM THEM AND FOR ME, I LEARNED A LEVEL OF HUMILITY, A LEVEL OF EMPATHY THAT I DIDN’T HAVE BEFORE, A LEVEL OF JUDGMENT. IT IS SOMETHING OF GREAT REGRET, IT IS SOMETHING I HAVE APOLOGIZED EXTENSIVELY FOR AND IN CONTRAST TO THE PRESIDENT WHEN HE SAYS THERE’S NOT A SINGLE THING THAT HE REGRETS OR APOLOGIZES FOR, I PROFOUNDLY APOLOGIZE FOR THAT AND I BELIEVE IN THE CHRISTIAN MODEL OF REPENTANCE AND RENEWAL AND A SECOND CHANCE AND WHAT’S BEEN INTERESTING IN THE WAKE OF ALL THAT — THIS IS TEN YEARS AGO — IS THAT SUBSEQUENT TO THAT THE FOLKS WHO KNEW ME BEST BACK HOME SAID LOOK, WE DON’T APPROVE OF THAT CHAPTER OF YOUR LIFE OR HOW YOU HANDLED IT BUT WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU A SECOND CHANCE WE ARE GOING TO SEND YOU TO CONGRESS WHICH I DID FOR THE FOLLOWING SIX YEARS.>>Chris: AT YOU ON THE PRESIDENT HAVE SOME HISTORY JUST IN 2018 YOU WERE RUNNING FOR REELECTION AGAINST A WOMAN — AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE ON ELECTION DAY THE PRESIDENT ENDORSED HER OVER YOU AND YOU GUYS HADN’T GOTTEN ALONG FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME AND AFTER YOU LOST IN THE PRIMARY, HE LAUGHED ABOUT IT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. HERE HE IS.>>SHE BEATS A MAN THAT LIKES FLAMINGO DANCERS FROM ARGENTINA. YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE VACATIONING ON THE TALLAHASSEE TRAIL, BUT HE WAS ACTUALLY IN ARGENTINA. I DON’T KNOW, DO THEY HAVE A TALLAHASSEE TRAIL IN ARGENTINA? I DON’T THINK. NO, RIGHT?>>Chris: HOW MUCH OF THIS IS PERSONAL?>>Governor Sanford: NONE. IF YOU LOOK AT MY 25 YEARS IN POLITICS, WHICH YOU FIND IS AN ABSOLUTE FOCUS — MOST FINANCIALLY CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT IN THE UNITED STATES AMERICA ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES HAVE SEEN HOW CONSISTENTLY I TALK ABOUT THIS. WE ARE NEARING A TIPPING POINT. MY’S GRANDKIDS — IT’S NOT PERSONAL BUT IT IS INDICATIVE OF THE WHERE THE PRESIDENT MAKES TOO MANY THINGS PERSONAL. THINK OF THIS, MY VOTING RECORD WAS MORE THAN 90% WITH THE PRESIDENT. 90%. I LOVE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS, BUT I DON’T AGREE WITH THEM 90% AND YET WE GET ALONG JUST FINE. BUT THAT’S NOT THE WORLD OF TRUMP. THE WORLD OF TRUMP’S PERSONAL LOYALTY AND I BELIEVE AS A CONSERVATIVE OR LOYALTY IS TO BE TWO IDEALS AND IDEAS AND WE AGREED ON 90% — A HANDFUL OF THINGS AND THEREFORE IT’S NOT GOOD ENOUGH. THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT.>>Chris: LESS THAN A MINUTE LEFT AND I WANT TO JUST PICK UP ON THAT BECAUSE YOU POINT OUT THAT THE G.O.P., THE PRESIDENT HAS MOVED THE G.O.P. AWAY FROM TRADITIONAL VALUES LIKE THE DEFICITS AND FREE-TRADE AND AMERICA’S ROLE IN THE WORLD. HOW — IN A MINUTE, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY’S ALLEGIANCE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP DESPITE ALL THIS?>>Governor Sanford: AGAIN, IF THE EXACT THING THAT GOT HIM ELECTED. PEOPLE LOOK AT HILLARY CLINTON VERSUS DONALD TRUMP AND SAID OKAY, I MAY NOT LIKE SOME OF WHAT HE DOES OR SOME OF HOW HE HANDLES THINGS, BUT I WILL PICK HIM OVER HER. THEY HAVEN’T HAD A CHOICE AND THAT’S WHY I’M RUNNING. I THINK THAT AMERICANS DESERVE A CHOICE THAT HAS HAD A REAL EXECUTIVE BRANCH EXPERIENCE, WHICH I HAD OVER TWO TERMS AS GOVERNOR, REAL LEGISLATIVE EXPERIENCE, WHAT I HAD OVER 12 YEARS IN THE U.S. CONGRESS. AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THOSE POLLS, ABOUT HALF OF THEM SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PRESIDENT — WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CONVERSATION WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.>>Chris: AND NOW YOU’RE GOING TO PROVIDE IT.

Pompeo on disaster relief in Bahamas, peace talks with the Taliban


>>Chris: DAVID SPUN REPORTING FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, THANK YOU. JOINING US NOT TO DISCUSS ALL OF THIS AND MORE, SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO. WELCOME BACK TO FOX OR SUNDAY.>>Secretary Pompeo: IT’S GREAT TO BE BACK ON, THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON THE SHOW THIS MORNING.>>Chris: LET’S START WITH THE PRESIDENT ‘S TWEET LATE LAST NIGHT THAT HE HAS CALLED OFF THE MEETING, CANCELED THE MEETING WITH THE TALIBAN THAT WAS TO BE HELD AT CAMP DAVID TODAY, A SECRET MEETING, THAT HE HAS CALLED OFF ALL PEACE TALKS, NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE TALIBAN. WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THE PLAN TO BEGIN TO PULL U.S. TROOPS OUT OF AFGHANISTAN?>>Secretary Pompeo: CHRIS, REMEMBER THE PRINCIPLES, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS MADE CLEAR HE WANTS TO REDUCE RISKS TO AMERICANS. IF YOU SHOW THE PICTURES LAST NIGHT FROM THE DIGNIFIED TRANSFER, THE REMAINS OF SERGEANT FIRST CLASS, I WAS OUT THERE WITH HIS FAMILY. IT’S A REMINDER TO ALL OF US THE ENORMOUS COST AND SACRIFICE THESE HEROES MAKE FOR US EACH AND EVERY DAY. PRESIDENT TRUMP IS TRYING TO REDUCE THAT RISK. AT THE SAME TIME, IS COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE WE REDUCE THE RISK THAT TERROR SHOULD EVER STRIKE THE UNITED STATES FROM AFGHANISTAN AGAIN SO WE’VE BEEN WORKING FOR MONTHS FOR PEACE AND RECONCILIATION DEAL. WE’VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT, WORKING WITH OTHER AFGHAN LEADERS, WORKING WITH THE TALIBAN TO TRY AND REDUCE THE LEVEL OF VIOLENCE TO COMMENCE — YOU WOULD KNOW THIS WELL, TRYING TO GET THE AFGHANS TO TALK TO EACH OTHER, BASIC IDEA FOR ALMOST TWO DECADES NOW AND WE HAVE THE TALIBAN’S COMMITMENT TO DO THAT. WE HAVE A COMMITMENT BREAK FROM AL QAEDA PUBLICLY AND THEY WOULD HONESTLY HAVE TO DELIVER ON THAT COMMITMENT. SO WE’VE MADE REAL PROGRESS, BUT IN THE END, THE TALIBAN OVERREACHED. THEY FORGOT THAT AMERICA IS ALWAYS GOING TO PROTECT — THE COMMANDER RESOLUTE SUPPORT AND THE NATO FORCES THERE ARE STILL AT THIS HEART. KILLED OVER A THOUSAND TALIBAN JUST IN THE LAST TEN DAYS. WHILE THIS ISN’T A WAR OF ATTRITION, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW WHO WILL CONTINUE TO APPLY THE APPROPRIATE PRESSURE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NEVER STRUCK WITH TERROR AGAIN FROM AFGHANISTAN.>>Chris: ARE THE TALKS AND ARE DEAD AND WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO RESTART THEM?>>Secretary Pompeo: FOR THE TIME BEING THEY ARE. WE’VE RECALLED THE AMBASSADOR TO COME BACK TO WASHINGTON SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN TO THINK THROUGH HOW WE WOULD CHART THE PATH FORWARD AND I THINK — ALTHOUGH THE PRESIDENT HASN’T MADE A FINAL DECISION, WHAT THEY DID HERE WAS THEY TRIED TO USE TERROR TO IMPROVE THEIR NEGOTIATING POSITION AND I THINK ANYONE WHO WAS OBSERVED PRESIDENT TRUMP KNOWS WHETHER IT WAS IN HANOI WITH NORTH KOREA OR WHETHER IT’S BEEN AND HOW WE RESPONDED WHEN THE CHINESE RENEGED ON THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE TRADE DEAL, IN THE COURSE OF CONVERSATION BUT WE ARE TRYING TO IMPROVE BOTH TEAM’S OUTCOMES THROUGH A NEGOTIATED SOLUTION. IF THE OTHER TEAM COMMITS AN ACT THAT’S INCONSISTENT, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT GOING TO TAKE THAT DEAL. HE’S NOT GOING TO TAKE A BAD DEAL. WE’RE LOOKING FOR MORE THAN WORDS ON PAPER. WERE LOOKING FOR REAL COMMITMENT AND THE TALIBAN DEMONSTRATED THAT EITHER THEY WEREN’T WILLING TO WORK COULDN’T LIVE UP TO THE COMMITMENT THEY NEEDED TO MAKE TO REDUCE VIOLENCE THERE.>>Chris: ‘S OF THE TALKS ARE OFTEN DEFINITELY?>>Secretary Pompeo: I HOPE WE GET THEM STARTED BACK. IT WILL ULTIMATELY BE UP TO THE TALIBAN BURIED THEY HAVE GOT TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY ARE PREPARED TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE ASK THEM TO DO IN THE COURSE OF THE NEGOTIATION.>>Chris: BUT THE TALIBAN, AS DAVID JUST REPORTED, HAS JUST COME OUT OF OUT OF THE ST COME OUT OF OUT OF THE SM COME OUT OF OUT OF THE S->>Secretary Pompeo: A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE — THOSE WORDS — COOLER HEADS I HOPE WILL PREVAIL. I DIDN’T SEE THE FULL STATEMENT, I DON’T KNOW ITS CONTEXT, I DON’T KNOW PRECISELY ISSUED IT. THE TALIBAN IS NOT MONOLITHIC.>>Chris: LET ME JUST — THEY SAID AMERICANS WILL SUFFER MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE AND THAT THIS WILL RESULT IN THE DEATH OF MORE AMERICAN TROOPS.>>Secretary Pompeo: I HOPE THAT’S NOT THE CASE. WE DON’T WANT ANY LOSS OF AMERICAN LIFE. KNOW THIS, KNOW THAT OUR DEPARTMENT DEFENDS — GENERAL MILLER HAVE THE FULL AUTHORITY TO DO WITH A NEED TO DO TO PROTECT AMERICAN SOLDIERS, SAILORS, AIR FORCE FOLKS WORKING THE AREA AND DO EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO DO TO PREVENT A TERROR ATTACK FROM EVER COMING BACK TO THE UNITED STATES AS IT DID NOW ALMOST 18 YEARS AGO.>>Chris: I WANT TO GET TO THE BIGGER QUESTION. WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES — YOU HAD AN AGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE ALREADY, YOU’RE ON FIVE WITH TALIBAN LEADERS, FINE, WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO MEET WITH TALIBAN LEADERS WHO HAVE THE BLOOD OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS ON THEIR HANDS JUST THREE DAYS BEFORE 9/11?>>Secretary Pompeo: WE KNOW THE HISTORY OF CAMP DAVID. WE REFLECTED ON THAT AS WE WERE THINKING ABOUT HOW TO DELIVER FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. SO AS WE CONSIDER THE RIGHT PATH FORWARD — YOUR POINT ABOUT AN AGREEMENT IMPOSSIBLE, I THINK THAT’S TRUE. STILL LOTS OF IMPLEMENTATION ISSUES, LOTS OF TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT NEEDED TO BE WORKED ON EVEN THOUGH WE’VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR MONTHS, PRESIDENT TRUMP ULTIMATELY MADE THE DECISION — HE SAID I WANT TO TALK TO THE PRESIDENT. I WANT TO TALK TO THE TALIBAN NEGOTIATORS. I WANT TO LOOK THEM IN THE EYE, I WANT TO SEE IF WE CAN GET TO THE FINAL OUTCOME THAT WE NEEDED SO THAT WE COULD SIGNOFF A DEAL, SO WE FOUND THAT ARRANGEMENT ACCEPTABLE, THAT THE VERIFICATION WAS ADEQUATE AND WE CONCLUDED THIS WAS A PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE PLACE. YOU KNOW THE HISTORY OF CAMP DAVID. LOTS OF BAD FOLKS HAVE COME THROUGH THAT PLACE, THERE HAVE BEEN LOTS OF PEACE NEGOTIATIONS TAKING PLACE. IT’S ALL MOST ALWAYS THE CASE, CHRIS, THAT YOU DON’T GET TO NEGOTIATE WITH GOOD GUYS. THE REASON YOU’RE IN NEGOTIATIONS, TO END WARS, TO END CONFLICTS, TO END VIOLENCE, TO REDUCE RISK TO THE IRAQI PEOPLE, IS ALMOST ALWAYS BECAUSE THE PERSON ACROSS THE TABLE ISN’T EXACTLY THE FINEST.>>Chris: I UNDERSTAND — I DON’T WANT TO PRESS THE POINT TOO MUCH, BUT YASSER ARAFAT WAS THERE AND OBVIOUSLY HE WAS RESPONSIBLE THE PALESTINIAN LIBERALIZATION, THE DEATH OF MANY PEOPLE.>>Secretary Pompeo: MANY AMERICANS.>>Chris: BUT THE TALIBAN HAS THE DEATHS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS JUST THREE DAYS BEFORE 9/11. NO CONCERNS ABOUT THAT? AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS — YOU KNOW, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE ENVOY TALKING, WHAT IS THE PRESIDENT HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT STATUS ON THEM?>>Secretary Pompeo: PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS VERY CLEAR. HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT TO THE RIGHT PLACE. HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN SOMEONE — I’VE OBSERVED IS NOT FOR MY ENTIRE TIME WERE CONFIRM AS CIA DIRECTOR AND NOW SECRETARY OF STATE, HE IS WILLING TO TAKE RISKS. IF HE BELIEVES HE CAN DELIVER AN OUTCOME FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, HE WAS HOPEFUL THAT THIS CONVERSATION WOULD LEAD — WE’VE BEEN AT THIS NOW ALMOST TWO DECADES. $30 BILLION A YEAR AND WE’VE GOT TERROR RISKS ALL ACROSS THE WORLD, NOT JUST IN AFGHANISTAN. WE’VE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE FORCES POSTURED RIGHT ALL ACROSS THE WORLD. WE SOMETIMES SINGULARLY FOCUSED ON AFGHANISTAN BECAUSE OF ITS DEEP HISTORY AND DEEP CONNECTION WHAT THEY DID ON 9/11 THAT STILL ANGERS ME TO THIS VERY MOMENT, WITH GOT TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT AND OUR EFFORTS OVER THE LAST MONTH HAVE BEEN TO DO THAT. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT OUR MISSION SET AND I HOPE WE WILL GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO HAVE DOWN THAT PATH SO WE CAN GET THE REDUCTION IN VIOLENCE AND WE CAN GET THE TALIBAN TO MAKE A COMMITMENT AND THEN LIVE UP WITH HER TO BREAK WITH AL QAEDA AND WE CAN GET THEM BACK AT THE NEGOTIATING TABLE WITH THEIR AFGHAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS TO REDUCE THE LEVEL OF VIOLENCE THERE.>>Chris: IRAN JUST ANNOUNCED THAT IT IS GOING TO USE ADVANCED CENTRIFUGES THAT WILL ALLOW IT TO ENRICH URANIUM FASTER. THIS IS AT LEAST THE THIRD — I DON’T HAVE TO TELL YOU, THE THIRD VIOLATION OF THE NUCLEAR DEAL THAT THEY HAVE MADE IN RECENT MONTHS. ALL OF THESE ARE SHORTENING THE TIME THAT IRAN WOULD NEED TO BUILD AN ATOMIC — NUCLEAR WEAPON TO LESS THAN A YEAR. IS THE THREAT OF A NUCLEAR IRAN INCREASING, AND GIVEN THE FACT U.S. SANCTIONS HAVE HAMMERED THE ECONOMY BUT THEY ARE NOT STOPPING IRAN IN THIS AREA, WHAT’S THE U.S. GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?>>Secretary Pompeo: WE HOPE THE WHOLE WORLD WILL JOIN US. PRESIDENT TRUMP IS BEEN VERY CLEAR, IRAN WON’T HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON ON OUR WATCH. WE WILL STOP IT. HE’S MADE CLEAR WE ARE PREPARED TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO ENSURE THAT THAT’S THE CASE. THE CHALLENGE IS OF COURSE WE CAME IN AFTER THE PREVISIT ADMINISTRATION HAD GIVEN THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC — AYATOLLAH, GIVEN HIM BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN ECONOMIC WEALTH WITH WHICH TO BUILD THESE VERY PROGRAMS AND AS YOU SEE, CHRIS, THEY CAN TURN THEM BACK ON LIKE THAT. ONE OF THE CENTRAL FAILURES OF THE JCPOA IS WHATEVER IT LIMITS THEIR WORK COULD BE TURNED BACK ON IN A MINUTE. WE SEE THIS. THEY MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW THEY ARE SPENDING CENTRIFUGES, HIGHER AND HIGHER ENRICHMENT RATES. THIS IS A CRAZY’S FAILED DEAL. OUR APPROACH IS BEEN VERY DIFFERENT, BUILD OUT ALLIANCES WITH THE GULF STATES, WITH ISRAEL, WITH ALL THE PARTNERS ON THE WORLD WHO UNDERSTAND THE THREAT OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS INSIDE OF THE MIDDLE EAST, INSIDE OF THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN AND TO REDUCE THE CAPACITY TO EXECUTE THAT, AND WE’VE DONE IT. IF WE CAN SEE IT WITH HEZBOLLAH. THEY HAVE FEWER RESOURCES. WE CAN SEE IT WITH THE MILITIAS IN IRAQ, THEY ARE SCRAMBLING FOR RESOURCES. WE THINK THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT WILL SHRINK, THEIR GDP WILL SHRINK BY AS MUCH AS 12 OR 14% THIS YEAR. THIS WILL REDUCE THEIR CAPACITY TO PURCHASE THE THINGS THEY NEED, THE EQUIPMENT THEY NEED, THE MATERIALS THEY NEED TO INFLICT TERROR AROUND THE WORLD. IF THAT’S PRESIDENT TRUMP’S APPROACH. I THINK WE’VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL SO FAR. TO BE ONE PRESIDENT TRUMP TALKS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF MEETING WITH IRANIAN PRESIDENT, POSSIBLY AT THE U.N. GENERAL ASSEMBLY LATER THIS MONTH, HERE HE IS.>>THERE INFLATION IS AT A NUMBER THAT FEW PEOPLE HAVE EVER SEEN INFLATION AT. AND IT’S A VERY SAD SITUATION. THEY COULD SOLVE IT VERY QUICKLY, WE COULD SOLVE IT IN 24 HOURS, BUT WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.>>Chris: BUT HE SAYS NO MEETING UNTIL ALL U.S. SANCTIONS ARE LIFTED FIRST AND PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS THERE’S NO WAY THAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT DO YOU PUT THE ODDS OF ERIC TRUMP SUMMIT THIS MONTH AT THE U.N.?>>Secretary Pompeo: I WILL LEAVE THAT TO THE FOLKS IN VEGAS. HERE’S HOW I KNOW WE WILL THINK ABOUT IT. PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL THINK ABOUT WHETHER IT’S APPROPRIATE TO MEET BASED ON WHETHER HE THINKS WE CAN GET AN IMPROVED OUTCOME FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. HE HAS SAID HE WOULD MEET WITH HIM WITH NO PRECEDING P HIM WITH NO PRECEDING E HIM WITH NO PRECEDING O HIM WITH NO PRECEDING D HIM WITH NO PRECEDING T HIM WITH NO PRECEDING O HIM WITH NO PRECEDING S HIM WITH NO PRECEDING . END OF THE TUBES AND FROZE INSIDE THE GOVERNMENT. THERE ARE THOSE WHO THINK IT’S WIDE TO MEET, THOSE WHO CAN THINK IT WAS JUST KILL PEOPLE ON THE WORLD. MAKING SURE WE DO ALL WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THOSE THAT UNDERSTAND OF THE REVOLUTIONARY NATURE OF THE REGIME IS ON ACCEPTABLE AND THEY CUT OR CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR AND THAT AMERICA WILL NEVER PERMIT THEM TO HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON. THOSE INSIDE OF IRAN THAT UNDERSTAND THAT AND I THINK THE MAJORITY OF IRANIAN PEOPLE AS WELL. THOSE OF THE FOLKS THAT WE WANT TO TALK TO SO WE ULTIMATELY GET THE RIGHT OUTCOME. WE WANT A SUCCESSFUL IRAN. WE WANT THEM TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY OF NATIONS. YOU CAN’T DO THAT WHEN YOU’RE BUILDING MUSCLES THAT THREATEN EUROPE, THREATEN ISRAEL, AND BUILDING UP SYSTEMS THAT COULD ULTIMATELY CREATE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.>>Chris: FINALLY, YOU SPOKE AT KANSAS STATE UNIVERSITY ON FRIDAY, WHICH DID NOT EXACTLY DAMPEN SPECULATION THAT YOU MIGHT RUN FOR THE SENATE NEXT YEAR. WHICH IS BEEN OBVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT. IN FACT, JERRY MORAN, THE OTHER SENATOR, NOT THE SEAT THAT YOU WOULD BE GOING FOR POTENTIALLY, HAD TALKED ABOUT THE PROSPECTS OF YOU RUNNING THE OTHER DAY. HERE HE IS.>>WOULDN’T BE SURPRISED THAT HE WOULD ENTER THAT RACE AND I THINK YOU WOULD BE A GOOD, SOLID CANDIDATE THAT WOULD HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT IN KANSAS.>>Chris: ‘S TO HAVE MORAN’S ENDORSEMENT. SOMEONE SAID THE OTHER DAY THAT YOU HAVE GONE RECENTLY FROM NO TO NO COMMENT. YOU CERTAINLY ARE NOT SHUTTING THE DOOR.>>Secretary Pompeo: THAT WAS VERY KIND OF THE SENATOR. I APPRECIATE THE VOTE OF CONFIDENCE AND I KNOW HE WAS TRYING TO BE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL, AS WAS SENATOR McCONNELL VARIED>>Chris: HE SAYS ARE HIS NUMBER ONE CHOICE.>>Secretary Pompeo: LET’S BE CLEAR, I’VE GIVEN US A MESSAGE FOR THE ENTIRE TIME UP AND ASK ABOUT THIS. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKING ABOUT THIS OR FOLKS LIKE YOU, AND THAT’S JUST FINE. I’M FOCUSED ON WHAT I’M DOING EVERYDAY, SO LONG AS PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTS ME TO BE HIS SECRETARY, THAT’S WHAT I’M INTENT UPON. I’VE GIVEN IT A LOT LESS THOUGHT THAN IT SOUNDS LIKE OTHERS MAY HAVE.>>Chris: ONE LAST QUESTION IN THIS REGARD AND I WILL LET HER GO BECAUSE I KNOW IT’S WHAT YOU WILL SAY, I WANT TO DO IT PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTS ME TO DO. WHAT IF PRESIDENT TRUMP COMES TO YOU BECAUSE OF JERRY MORAN, BECAUSE OF MITCH McCONNELL EARLY NEXT SPRING AND SAYS YOU KNOW WHAT, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU COULD DO FOR ME IS TO RUN FOR THE SENATE TO HOLD THE SENATE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY, THEN WHAT WOULD YOU DO?>>Secretary Pompeo: GOODNESS KNOWS. THESE ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO ANSWER BECAUSE I SPEND, AS YOU CAN SEE, I SPEND EVERY WAKING MOMENT TRYING TO DELIVER AMERICAN DIPLOMAS AROUND THE WORLD. GOING TO KEEP DOING THAT SO LONG AS I’M DOING THIS WE WILL SEE WHAT LIFE BRINGS ON THE NEXT THING IN LIFE APPROACHES.>>Chris: AND WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR HONORING THE SERVICE OF SERGEANT BARRETO. WE ALL HOLD HIM IN OUR HEARTS, WE ALL HOLD THE HEARTS OF HIS FAMILY, YOU TELL ME HIS DAD WAS IN THE MILITARY, OTHER RELATIVES IN THE MILITARY, TERRIBLE LOSS.>>Secretary Pompeo: THANK YOU, IT WAS A TERRIBLE LOSS. THANK YOU FOR HONORING HIM BY BRINGING THIS BACK UP, A TRUE