‘The Five’ breaks down 2020 Dems’ extreme climate agendas


♪ ♪>>Jesse: IT’S TIME FOR THE 2020 ROUND UP, IF YOU THOUGHT THAT DEMOCRATS EXTREME CLIMATE AGENDA COULD NOT GET ANY CRAZIER, THINK AGAIN. HERE IS A NEW ONE. IF YOU EAT MEAT OR USE PLASTIC STRAWS, YOU ARE TO BLAME FOR KILLING THE PLANET. SO SAYS MAYOR PETE.>>WE THINK ABOUT IT THROUGH THE PERSPECTIVE OF GUILDS, FROM USING A STRAW TO EATING A BURGER, AM I PART OF THE PROBLEM? IN A CERTAIN WAY, YES, BUT THE MOST EXCITING THING IS WE CAN BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION.>>Jesse: SO EXCITING, AND THERE IS NEW YORK CITY’S DISASTROUS MAYOR BILL de BLASIO GOING HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH TUCKER OVER HIS CLIMATE HYPOCRISY.>>HOW CAN YOU TAKE AN SUV TO THE GYM AND BACK EVERY DAY AND SAY THAT YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE. I KNOW IT IS A PETTY QUESTION.>>IT IS A CHRYSLER PACIFICA. IT IS A PACIFICA. IT IS A HYBRID ELECTRIC, IT IS NOT A GOOD SUV.>>Jesse: BRIAN, IT IS A PACIFICA.>>Brian: BUT THE SUVs THAT FOLLOW HIM, UNBELIEVABLE, I THOUGHT IT WAS SO INTERESTING TO SEE MAYOR de BLASIO. ONE THING I GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR IS GOING ON, MAYOR MACK TWO, HE WON SUPPORTERS. I THINK THAT NUMBER THREE WHEN I LOOK BACK AT THE TAPE, I THINK THAT –>>Jesse: YOU WATCH HER PERFORMANCE AFTERWARDS?>>Brian: YES, MOST OF THE TIME I GIVE MYSELF AN A+. AND I EVALUATE MY APPEARANCE. BACK TO MY ORIGINAL POINT, SEVEN HOURS THAT, THAT MARATHON WAS PROBABLY THE BEST THING THAT HAPPENED TO TRUMP 2020, BY FAR, AND THE PEOPLE THROW THINGS OUT, ALL OF THE CANDIDATES THROW THINGS OUT, AND THEY HAVE NO PLAN TO EXECUTE. WHEN HE WAS PUSHED ON HIS BUYBACK PLAN, THE SECOND THAT HE WAS ASKED HOW YOU WILL DO IT, HE SAID, WE DON’T KNOW HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO IT, BASICALLY SAID THE SAME SIDE, I WALK INTO MY HOUSE AND GO GRAB THE AK-47.>>Jesse: NOT A GREAT PLAN.>>Dagen: I WANT THE LEFTIES TO GET CALLED OUT AS IMMORAL TO REDUCE THE STANDARD OF LIVING FOR EVERY AMERICAN BY TRYING TO BAN FOSSIL FUELS IN THE COUNTRY. THEY ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM, NOT THE SOLUTION.>>Jesse: OH, JUAN, THAT IS TOUGH TALK. ARE YOU GOING TO LET THAT STAND?>>Dagen: IT IS IMMORAL.>>Juan: I’M GOING TO GO TO CHURCH ON SUNDAY.>>Brian: MEHR BOOTED TO THE EDGE.>>Juan: IS HERE REVEREND?>>Jesse: HE TALKS TO GOD.>>Juan: IF WE CAN LIMIT CONSUMPTION, WE CAN LIMIT GENERATING THE CARBON DEATHS THAT GO INTO THE ATMOSPHERE. I DON’T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT, I JUST DON’T SEE ANY REELS ABOUT THAT FROM THE RIGHT, AND THEN THE LEFT SAYS, YOU ARE TRYING TO CONTROL ME, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS RAISING ASTOUNDING AMOUNTS OF MONEY, BUY A TRUMP STRAW, THAT IS HIS IDEA?>>Jesse: IT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS GOOD BECAUSE IT IS AN IDEA. SOMETIMES THEY ARE DUMB IDEAS. AND YOU ARE FULL OF DUMB IDEAS. MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY GOES VEGETARIAN.>>Juan: THE WORST IDEA IS NO IDEA.>>Emily: ALSO HALF OF IT IS THE DELIVERY, WHEN YOU HAND THINGS OVER, I’M GOING TO RETALIATE BY EATING TEN BURGERS. AND A POSTER CHILD FOR THE HOLLYWOOD ELITIST DOUBLE STANDARD, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY I WILL GIVE LIP SERVICE TO ALL OF THESE IDEAS BUT I WILL CARVE OUT AN EXCEPTION FOR ME AND EVERYTHING IN MY WORLD.>>Dagen: AND THE CO2 EMISSIONS, WE HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB THAN ANY NATION IN THE WORLD QUITE FRANKLY. WE ARE BACK TO THE ’85 LEVEL.>>Juan: WE ARE THE RICHEST –>>Dagen: SO STOP TALKING LIKE WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING.>>Jesse: UP NEXT, WINNING A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY, SOME DEMOCRATS ARE BEING FURIOUS AFTER BEING CUT FROM NEXT WEEK’S DEBATE AND RIPPING THE DNC OVER THE PROCESS.>>SETTING THIS REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO BE POPULAR OR FAMOUS IF YOU ARE QUALIFIED, TO ME THAT DOES A DISSERVICE TO VOTERS. SO, I THINK THAT WE CAN RAISE OUR VOICES TO CALL IN THE DNC TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT AND REASSESS HOW THEY ARE CHOOSING WHICH POLES THEY ARE USING.>>NO ONE HAS RUN A POLL OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMUNITY WOULD ACCEPT FOR FIVE WEEKS. I DON’T HAVE TO CHANGE ANYTHING.>>Jesse: SO JUAN, SORE LOSERS, COMPLAINERS?>>Juan: THEY HAVE NO POINT. THE DNC HAS BEEN TRANSPARENT. THE RULES WERE SET. YOU HAD TO GET THIS NUMBER, I THINK IT WAS 130,000 SMALL DONORS, YOU HAD TO REACH 2%, I DON’T GET IT. BUT MOST PEOPLE WHO HAVE DROPPED OUT, THEY DON’T HAVE A COMPLAINT. AND THE PEOPLE WHO REMAIN, THEY ARE STILL IN LOOKING TO TRY TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS TO GET IN THE OCTOBER DEBATE. I THINK THAT THEY ARE COMPLAINING.>>Jesse: JUST LIKE THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE, DON’T COMPLAIN AFTER.>>Juan: LET’S CHANGE THE RULES. [LAUGHTER]>>Emily: IT IS IRONIC THAT THE BILLIONAIRE ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVISTS IS COMPLAINING THAT HE CAN’T BUY HIS WAY ONTO THE DNC DEBATE STAGE.>>Dagen: $320,000 A DAY, ON THE RETIREMENT. HE DOES NOT CONTROL POLITICS.>>Brian: WITH THE TIME THAT I HAVE, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS, THE TOASTED GABBERT, SHE COULD’VE GOT IN A MUGGLE AGAIN, BECAUSE THE CRITERIA OF THE FINAL TWO WEEKS, AND SHE GOT STATIONED IN INDONESIA. I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD SAY, CLEARLY YOU ARE COMPETENT, YOU HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS. YOU WERE ON A ROLL, IF YOU HAVE TO SERVER TWO WEEKS, I WOULD SAY IF I WAS COMPETING WITH HER, I WOULD SAY THAT YOU ARE BLOWING THIS.>>Jesse: THEY SHOULD HAVE MADE AN EXCEPTION.>>Juan: I DON’T KNOW, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A CRANKY BABY.>>Jesse: WE ALL KNOW, BERNIE SANDERS, A LITTLE BIT OF A CROTCHETY SOCIALIST GUY, BUT HE IS TAKING THINGS TO A WHOLE NEW LEVEL, WATCH.>>I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY, SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO CUT YOUR PILLS IN HALF YOURSELF? OKAY. WE CAN KEEP THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. [LAUGHTER]>>Jesse: HE IS 100% RIGHT.>>Brian: YOU CANNOT BRING A SCREAMING BABY TO A POLITICAL EVENT. HE IS TRYING TO BE PRESIDENT.>>Jesse: YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO KISS THAT BABY.>>Brian: QUITE DOWN, SHE HAS TO CUT HER PILLS IN HALF.>>Dagen: I WANT THAT DUDE TO BE MY SIDEKICK AT EVERY RESTAURANT I GO TO.>>Jesse: THE BABY OR BERNIE?>>Dagen: BERNIE.>>Juan: HE IS NOT A I FEEL YOUR PAIN TYPE OF GUY. THIS IS SO RUDE. I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT IT.>>Jesse: STICK A PACIFIER IN HIS MOUTH.>>Emily: HE IS SUCH AN EBENEZER, WHEN IS HE GOING TO STOP BEING THE FACE OF FORWARD PROGRESSION. IT WAS NOT EVEN 30 SECONDS, IT WAS INSTANT THAT HE WAS LIKE —

‘The Five’ react to 2020 Democrats’ climate change marathon


“THE FIVE” .” ♪ ♪>>Dana: THE WAR ON MEAT, PLASTIC STRAW MAN, THESE ARE THE EXTREME 2020 IDEAS DEMOCRATS ARE PROPOSING. CHECK OUT SOME OF THEIR OLD STATEMENTS. SPEAK OF THIS U.N. REPORT, 11 YEARS THAT WE HAVE LEFT.>>DO YOU BAN PLASTIC STRAWS?>>I THINK YOU SHOULD, YEAH.>>PEOPLE SAY WE ARE GOING TO BE OKAY IF THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION WAS VEGETARIAN IMMEDIATELY.>>THIS IS ON PAR WITH WORLD WAR II.>>Dana: BUT THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL MOMENT OF THE NIGHT COMING FROM BERNIE SANDERS WITH THIS ANSWER ABOUT CUTTING GLOBAL POPULATION GROWTH TO FIGHT GLOBAL WARMING.>>IN MEXICO CITY AGREEMENT WHICH HE DENIES AID TO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AROUND THE WORLD THAT ALLOW WOMEN TO HAVE ABORTIONS OR EVEN GET INVOLVED IN BIRTH CONTROL, TO ME, IS A TOTALLY ABSURD. I THINK ESPECIALLY IN POOR COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD, WHERE WOMEN DO NOT NECESSARILY WANT TO HAVE LARGE NUMBERS OF BABIES, AND WHERE THEY CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THROUGH BIRTH CONTROL TO CONTROL THE NUMBER OF KIDS THEY HAVE. SOMETHING I VERY, VERY STRONGLY SUPPORTED.>>Dana: LET ME PHRASE THE QUESTION HE GOT FROM THE AUDIENCE. THE PLANET CANNOT SUSTAIN THIS GROWTH, TALKING ABOUT HUMAN POPULATION. I REALIZE THIS IS A POISONOUS TOPIC FOR POLITICIANS BUT IT’S CRUCIAL TO FACE. EMPOWERING WOMEN AND EDUCATING EVERYONE ON THE NEED TO CURB POPULATION GROWTH SEEMS REASONABLE. SHE ASKS IF ANYONE WOULD BE COURAGEOUS ENOUGH TO SAY SO. BERNIE SANDERS SAID WHAT HE THOUGHT. JESSE?>>Jesse: AMAZINGLY STUPID. THANK YOU TO CNN FOR THIS CONTENT THAT WE WILL MOCK. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK CNN FOR ASKING SOME OF THESE FRONT RUNNER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS WHICH THEY ACTUALLY ANSWERED. FOR INSTANCE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BAN THE COMBUSTION ENGINE? YES. NATURAL GAS DRILLING? YES. WOULD YOU LIKE TO BAN COAL? YES. GOODBYE PENNSYLVANIA, GOODBYE MICHIGAN, GOODBYE OHIO. BUT IT GOES, GETS BETTER. WOULD YOU LIKE TO BAN OFFSHORE DRILLING? YES. GOODBYE FLORIDA, GOODBYE ANY CHANCE YOU WILL EVER HAVE. BUT IT DOES GET BETTER. WOULD YOU LIKE TO BAN FACTORY FARMING? YES. GOODBYE IOWA, GOODBYE WISCONSIN. THE ANSWERS WERE STUPID AND THE QUESTIONS WERE AMAZING FOR REPUBLICANS, AND EVERYONE SHOULD THANK CNN. THE FACT THAT THEY ACTUALLY GOT ON THERE AND SAID DEPOPULATION CONTROL IS CRAZY. THAT IS WHAT THEY DO IN COMMUNIST CHINA. IT’S A DISCREDITED THEORY. IN FACT, THE SHOOTER IN THE LAST TWO MASS SHOOTINGS, HE HAS ASCRIBED TO THAT PHILOSOPHY. NOW THEY ARE ALSO SAYING WE SHOULD START EATING LESS MEAT. GET OUT OF MY KITCHEN. WHAT IS THIS? GET OFF OF MY RANCH. ALL OF THESE IDEAS ARE JUST GOING TO MAKE EVERYONE’S LIVES MISERABLE. THEY ARE GOING TO COST TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE EARTH’S TEMPERATURE 1 DEGREE.>>Dana: THAT IS A VERY GOOD POINT AND IF YOU TAKE ALL THE THINGS THEY TALKED ABOUT, MOST OF THE THINGS WOULD ACTUALLY INCREASE IN EMISSIONS OF GREENHOUSE GASES, INCLUDING IF YOU WANT TO DO AWAY WITH NUCLEAR. YOU WERE SHAKING THEIR HEADS AT THE BERNIE SANDERS LINE.>>OF COURSE BERNIE IS GOING TO TAKE THIS QUESTION, I WILL SAY IT! COME ON, WE WANT TO HELP YOU KILL YOUR CHILDREN. IT’S CRAZY. SEVEN HOURS OF THIS ON CNN? SEVEN HOURS? IT’S LIKE CNN IS A RESTAURANT THAT THE MAFIA BOUGHT AND THEY ARE BURNING IT DOWN FOR THE INSURANCE MONEY. I DON’T KNOW WHAT THEIR RATINGS WERE LIKE. THE FUTURE SEEMS SO BLEAK. COULD IT SOUND ANY WORSE? WE ALL NEED TO BE VEGETARIANS LIVING LIKE IT’S WORLD WAR II, DRINKING OUT OF STRAWS THAT DON’T WORK. GIVE ME TRUMP EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. I DON’T WANT TO LIVE IN THIS BLEAK — IT’S LIKE “THE HUNGER GAMES.”>>Dana: DO YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE HURRICANE CONNECTION?>>Juan: I WANT TO COMMENT ON THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE I FIND THIS SUCH A DISTORTION. I CAN’T BELIEVE THE THINGS JESSE SAYS LIKE THEY ARE ATTRIBUTED THEY DIDN’T SAY THESE THINGS. THEN MICHAEL SAYS, OH, KILL BABIES. NOBODY SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT!>>Jesse: HE SAYS HE WANTS TO BAN THE COMBUSTION ENGINE AND ELIMINATE COAL-FIRED POWER PLANTS.>>Juan: HERE IS THE HEART OF THE RESPONSE COMING FROM THIS TABLE, THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO CONTROL YOU, THEY WANT TO TAKE AWAY YOUR STRAWS! THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO EAT MEAT! OH, MY GOSH. TO ME, IT’S MIND-BOGGLING. ONE, DEMOCRATS HAVE IDEAS. A BOY, REPUBLICANS HAVE NO IDEAS WHEN IT COMES TO DEALING WITH CLIMATE CONTROL. SO REPUBLICANS SAY, THAT IDEA IS RIDICULOUS! DEMOCRATS SAY, LET’S TALK ABOUT THIS. GUESS WHAT, OVERWHELMINGLY, 80% PLUS OF DEMOCRATS AND 60% OF INDEPENDENTS SAY CLIMATE CHANGE IS A BIG ISSUE. WE WANT TO DEAL WITH IT. IT’S AN EMERGENCY. SO HERE ARE SOME OF THESE IDEAS. NONE OF THESE IDEAS ARE RADICAL, BY THE WAY.>>Jesse: BANNING FACTORY FARMING IS NOT RADICAL?>>Juan: YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED AT HOW MANY FARMERS SAY THAT FACTORY FARMING IS NOT EFFICIENT.>>Jesse: JOE BIDEN SAYS HE WANTS TO GET RID OF EVERY SINGLE –>>Juan: YOU CAN SHOUT AND KEEP TALKING OVER ME — YOU JUST TALK, TALK, TALK. KEEP TALKING BUT GO TALK TO FARMERS, AND THEY SAY THEY PREFER THERE WOULD BE LESS OF THAT FACTOR, BIG CORPORATE FARMING.>>Jedediah: YOU THINK ALL THE THINGS JESSE SAID SOUNDED CRAZY, HE REPEATED ALL THE THINGS THEY SAID. BAN PLASTIC STRAWS –>>Juan: WHAT IS SO RADICAL ABOUT BLANDING PLASTIC STRAWS?>>Jedediah: HE’S TALKING ABOUT AMERICAN TAXPAYER ABORTION NOT ONLY IN THE UNITED STATES BUT ELSEWHERE.>>Juan: IT IS ILLEGAL UNDER THE MEXICO CITY AGREEMENT. WHAT YOU GET HIS DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT, I’M GOING BACK HERE TO CLINTON AND OBAMA BOTH SAID NO TO IT. IT’S NOT A NEW IDEA. BUSH PUT IT BACK, BUT IT’S NEVER BEEN ABOUT ABORTION. IT’S ABOUT BIRTH CONTROL.>>YOU DON’T THINK TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE TO CONVERT TO VEGANISM, Y PEOPLE TO CONVERT TO VEGANISM, U PEOPLE TO CONVERT TO VEGANISM, D PEOPLE TO CONVERT TO VEGANISM, N PEOPLE TO CONVERT TO VEGANISM, T PEOPLE TO CONVERT TO VEGANISM, I PEOPLE TO CONVERT TO VEGANISM, K BRINGING UP ABORTION IN A CONVERSATION ABOUT POPULATION CONTROL OR BANNING FRACKING AND PLASTIC STRAWS. NONE OF THIS SOUNDS EXTREME TO YOU AT ALL?>>Juan: HE DIDN’T BRING UP ABORTION, HE BROUGHT UP BIRTH CONTROL.>>Jedediah: YOU ARE THE AUDIENCE FOR THIS. THERE IS AN AUDIENCE FOR THIS.>>Juan: HUGE! YES!>>Jedediah: RIGHT NOW, IT’S SOUNDING SO EXTREME.>>Juan: I’M NOT EXTREME. IT’S NOT EXTREME.>>Jedediah: IT DOESN’T SOUND EXTREME TO A LOT OF THE COUNTRY. THAT’S SCARY.>>Jesse: DO YOU THINK BANNING THE INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE IS A RADICAL IDEA?>>Juan: YEAH.>>Jesse: THAT IS WHAT JOE BIDEN JUST SAID! HE SAID HE WANTS TO ELIMINATE IT IN HIS FIRST TERM!>>Juan: THIS IS SO OBVIOUS, I DON’T — WHAT HE WANTS TO DO IS HAVE LESS RELIANCE. IN OTHER WORDS, GO TOWARDS — THE IDEA THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE A REAL DISCUSSION ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE IS SCARY TO YOU BECAUSE IT SHOWS YOU HAVE NO IDEAS. I HEARD YOU SAY FLORIDA, OH, FLORIDA’S GONE.

BEST Democrats On Climate Change



when you ask the Democratic primary electorate what their top issues are climate change is right up there at the top of the list multiple of the candidates at the last two nights of debates listed it as the biggest threat facing America today and so obviously there had to be a lot of talk about it at a presidential debate I mean that is the person with the most single power to do something about it unfortunately not really and joining us now to talk about climate change and the debates of Archana Prakash co-founder and executive director of Sunrise movement welcome back to the show hi thank you so much for having me always glad to have you on so first of all overall the amount of questions about climate change at these two nights of debates the substance with which they went into the topic did it meet your expectations I wouldn't say that it did you know it was a it was a mixed bag for us the last couple of nights we as young people and as climate advocates are pretty used to this issue being completely sidelined in our presidential election I think in 2016 it was less than 2% of total time during the election cycle it was devoted to climate change and not a single question was asked about it during the general election cycles so competitively we saw a cumulative maybe twenty minutes or less probably on both Wednesday and Thursday nights devoted to the climate crisis the first night honestly the questions were pretty abysmal it was slightly better last night in large part due to candidates like Kamala Harris talking about her support for a green you deal saying that we need to talk about this as a crisis not just as climate change but a climate crisis Bernie Sanders bringing up the role of the fossil fuel industry in the corporate capture of our government that has stymied progress on this issue for decades and I know that there had been a big conversation over the past few weeks about having a debate focused entirely on climate and honestly after watching these debates I'm not sure who I would trust to do that because it wasn't just that there weren't a lot of questions about climate change like I noticed like when Chuck Todd was asking the questions it came off to me as a sort of begrudging thing like he barely wanted to talk about it there was no there's no passion there and although I've read that some like 15 minutes of the two nights of debate were about climate change as a person who that is my core issue it didn't feel like it at times absolutely and I think you know we've what I noticed was that there is a significant lack of climate literacy amongst the media and political establishment right now every single one of the issues that was discussed whether it was immigration whether it was the economy whether it was racial justice and increased increased mass incarceration all of those issues are deeply inextricably intertwined with the climate crisis and so for folks is sort of relegated to the realm of environmentalism and get you know talk about it about an hour and a half in every night long asks are many of the young people that I was watching these debates with had curfews and had to commit was deeply disappointing and I think there's a lot of work to be done so did any of the responses did any of the candidates stand out on this issue for you yeah I think in particular last night I was blown away by Kamala Harris's performance just broadly across the board obviously there was that remarkable moment between her and Joe Biden where she called him how for his more his racist history and I think also the the moment when Peabody judge answered questions about farmers and and the way in which the climate crisis is affecting the Midwest right here in this country and how farmers have to be a part of the solution and Bernie Sanders as well really stood out I would say on Wednesday night you know Elizabeth Warren just minutes out was was connecting the climate crisis to the broader issue of building economic power as Americans and also investing big and green technology was calling out the role of the fossil fuel industry in corrupting our government as well and I thought we saw jay Inslee bader work to a certain degree and also Julian Castro really come out shining as well yeah I did I I found it interesting I was watching jay Inslee you know to see how strongly is he gonna push on this sort of core issue in his candidacy and it was interesting that when asked at the end to list the biggest to America he didn't say climate change others did yeah yeah it was interesting too I was kind of surprised by that I think we would have also liked to see from these candidates a little bit more almost all of them support the green New Deal and Kamala Harris was one of the folks that actually came out and said it and I was hoping to see from many of these other candidates like Bernie Sanders jay Inslee Elizabeth Warren some explicit support for the green new deal considering that it really aligns with so much of the economic vision that many of them are putting forward as well thanks for watching this free clip of The Young Turks don't forget to become a TYT member today for more exclusive content join now at TYT dot-com /join

POLITICS AND THE ENVIRONMENT



okay one one what want to okay what what do want to one is it working is it working it's on it's on it's on it's on it's son [Applause] you you so one one one oh we're facing a man-made disaster the public is the only the people of our audience so the people can ask questions I don't know how you're going to do in terms of asking questions to people just maybe to the side it's through that time the moving mics for people that with window yeah we have one decided we want one mic to be the second one but can you ask one from Project 90 and then someone shown to be the side Oh Marla Oh Marla good afternoon comrades we're gonna start in 60 seconds we just want everybody to settle in can we make sure that all the political party representatives there's some space for them to decide everybody that's still outside can some of the marshal just just channel them inside please there's so some people outside that side okay see the problem you good afternoon everybody good afternoon everybody are you not environmental activist good afternoon everybody great great welcome to our public debates with political parties our political party dialogue on environment you know we this event is historical in the sense that tomorrow would be the the second year since the really very historical nuclear court case has been won and also focus shima in Japan way that some horrific accident happen so these environmental issues are real that is also a month before every day and we could see how issues of climate change in the environment are beginning to show itself up and and this is not a ones of crisis that is something that's going to continue so we have to make sure that we are having a dialogue and be bringing our communities our social movements our NGOs and civil society representatives and people who are concerned and we love the environment and the environment is not something out there the environment is something we love in it's not separate from people it's not separate from our socio-economic issues our socio-economic rights will not be met if we do not have a safe and clean and sustainable environment and that is why we are here tonight we are asking the question what is the question is your party that's your party Kay about the environment we live in that is the question we are here today and at the end hopefully those people who are still uncertain who they're voting for in the elections that is not our aim to are to tell you how to vote but we just wouldn't like those people to be able to say based on environment if I someone who care about the environment I now know after this debate who really cares about the environment because they will be able to say and we hope that it's not gonna be empty promises that it's actually going to be something that you also passionate about something that you really believe in and something that you committed to work towards whether you come in in the elections or not so this is probably something that we can continue speaking about and continue to make happen together so welcome everybody here that decided yesterday or a month before the time that this is the place where you're going to be today some of you saw it on social media and say hey I want to be yes they saw place we're squeezing if everybody maybe later on we were still left standing but everybody who cares about the environment is welcome here today so I want to just welcome you and I want to introduce a moderator he's the one that's gonna stand in front I'm just making sure that you all welcome come in I do Kumi Naidoo is and all the activists he's not old he's a longtime activist from the environment sector socio-economic rights anti-apartheid movement and he is currently working for the global organization Amnesty International he's hitting that organization and he actually came from London is based in London anyone he wanted to make sure that he is in in South Africa maybe it's also for the Easter weekend but we are glad that he's yeah was asked today before he got back again and so when he when he's home and when he go to to to the global connection he they say local is global as well I so so he can take our messages back as well so thank you coming for for saying yes that you will moderate for us and he is also someone that knows the environment so he'll be able to ask the right questions to our political parties thank you to everyone of the political parties so that's it yes some of you on short notice I've got you a little late because Easter weekend and it's it's not not Parliament it's not on at the moment so um Kumi has also been very involved in the anti-nuclear campaign and is instrumental and on the cutting edge of that campaign so we are very privileged to have that kind of calculable leader in the room it'll moderate our debate for us so welcome everybody and um I just want before I go sit down and get over to qu me um normally when we have party political debates we want to compete who is best but still nice that the best party is the party that's not going to do or who the other one a we are going to be respectful we are going to give everybody the right to feel full self expression and we're going to listen to what the other party said why simply because we are a democracy I might not like what you stand for I might not like what you say but you have a right to say that and I will give you a chance to say that I have the right to disagree with you also and that is why we have agreed to have the space so that we can respectfully disagree with each other and then the communities the voters that I hear can make up their mind who they will vote for so overtook me welcome to me can we give him a hand please the video I folks it's wonderful to be with you I'm we're gonna show you a small video from Mozambique to show you that climate change impacts is not something in the future it's on our doorstep and it's happening right now so if the technology works there should be a video starting right now we're facing a man-made disaster of global scale our greatest threat in thousands of years climate change for one of the worst prophecy living memory has the Western Cape Province on its knees we start anticipating the very real possibility of a day 0 Sonora okay looks like the video is imminent our partners will be a little bit longer so folks to start our proceedings today I'd like to welcome a very special person Rachel Marsh who has been leading a wonderful organization or the green Anglicans to lead us off with a message and a player to start our debate this afternoon please welcome Rachel match good afternoon good afternoon for Africa climate change is not an environmental issue it is a human rights issue 70 people have lost their lives in K said n due to flooding and mudslides a second huge cyclone is going to hit Mozambique this afternoon cyclone Kenneth cyclone edye destroyed 90% of the city of Beira a city of half a million people nearly three million people were affected across Mozambique Malawi and Zimbabwe graça Machel says Beira in Mozambique will go down in history as having been the first city to be completely devastated by climate change how is that crisis connected to climate change warmer air holds more water vapor which increases the intensity of rainfall cyclone I die produced nearly a year's worth of rain in just a few days and came in the middle of the night and caught people unprotected secondly the severe drought over the last few years had hardened the soil increasing the runoff of flood waters thirdly the oceans have risen nearly 30 centimeters in the last century leaving Beira now below sea level adding to this the huge levels of commercial deforestation which allowed the floods to rush through denuded soils cyclone edye cyclone Kenneth and the devastating floods encased in and across the country are humanitarian crises that once again lay bare the fundamental injustice of climate change I would like to ask that we stand for a moment of silence as we remember those 70 people who have lost their lives in Kaiser dihn and the many hundreds who lost their lives let us keep silent you then say bottom line when a pocket inkosi buy candy selling all oconee so long that we me [Applause] okay thank you everybody so folks the first thing we're gonna do today is figure out who are the two youngest people in the audience who are able to see time though okay anybody is 20 and younger put up yours okay okay that guy's clearly is lying okay this one okay I need you this okay okay so so we got so please find the chair okay we got two yeah you can join us as well please come come come come come one must sit next to Rachel yeah and one anybody can guess what their job is okay so when we invite our team leaders of the political parties to come and speak they're going to be given two minutes for the opening comments and the young people are gonna watch the time and they will stand up on its two minutes because let's be hear what the struggle is about as Rachel said okay let me start with some good news you probably heard people like myself say at some point save the planet save the planet and so on so I want to start with some really good news the planet is absolutely fine the planet does not need saving if we continue on the path that we are on with dirty energy coming from oil coal and gas by deforestation and other polluting economic activity the end result is that we lose our soil as we are losing in many parts of Africa we lose our water resources in as we are seeing in many parts of Africa we see sea-level rise that will contaminate our agricultural lands along the sea because of the salt water and so on the end result is that we won't eventually be able to plant food we won't have water and we live on a hot continent with hot people how much more hotter can we get to survive so the end result is if you don't act now we will be gone the planet actually will still be air and one sweeping ham extinct as a species the forest will grow back the oceans will replenish and so on so let's be very clear they struggle to avert catastrophic climate change is nothing more or nothing less than protecting humanity's ability to live on this planet and put differently and that's why I asked for the children to come forward is that this struggle to avert catastrophic climate change is nothing more or nothing less than protecting our children and their children's futures so just to kick starts how many of you have heard this term 1.5 degree they keep your hands up how many of you where have your hands up at the moment know where we are towards the 1.5 degree if you still know keep your ends up if you're not sure put it down okay there's okay that's good at least half the political party representative seem to know will test them thus now to see if they like so basically let's put it very simply what that figure means is that from the time that humanity started the Industrial Revolution or from the time that we started burning oil coal and gas from that moment into the future the science tells us we can only accommodate a 1.5 degree rise in temperature right and to the people who prepare said the new way we are now towards at 1.5 please lazy somebody says one close but no cigar close very close one anybody else yeah so we at one point one degree already and at one point one degree in the last decade we've had more than a hundred percent increase in extreme weather events right so the science cannot tell us when we go to one point to where they put what Drupal where they to multiply by 10 and so on all they say is it's gonna get much much more worse just put it in context and to leave Africa for a moment in July 2016 I was in the Pacific region on the small island states moving between different countries there and I learned a slogan that I had not heard before people were chanting a slogan which went like this 1.5 to stay alive 1.5 to say like because those people already sea-level rise is is pushing them off the islands or pushing them you know away from the coastline six months later when I meet them at the Paris climate negotiations they invited me to come and speak at a rally inside the negotiations and I was like very proud and you the slogan I learned from the Pacific I can chant it so I go there go 1.5 just and they all say no no no the choke slogan is change the slogan is changed and not the new slogan is 1.5 we might survive 1.5 we might survive so let's be very clear that we as the people in Western Cape will probably say on is deep in the right bi in deep right and sadly most of all political and business leaders are in denial about the fact that we are running out of time so I'm gonna run the program in a way that our political party representatives will have two minutes each to state their party's position of the environment and then after that I will pose one person to each of them and then after that we'll have one hour where you can post questions to them okay so what I thought to start up in a a little bit of a light note so I was a visiting professor at the University in Sweden before I started at Greenpeace for three months when I arrived there the city called Salah the special of the University came to meet me aflame and came about 15 minutes late and then in those places in the world they are very punctual so he spent half an hour apologizing for being 15 minutes late and his apology when something like this he said sorry man I serve on the bus management company and we had a problem and the meeting ran long so I said what was the problem and he said well yeah in uppsala we run our buses on human feces so I didn't know that was possible acid human feces he said yeah I don't know what they call it in your country but in some places the Koala cut crap and so on so I said really you run your buses on human and then I have to tell you when I heard that I thought about Cape Town and the poo Bill game but you know the fact that people do not have sanitation and and and the ship does not go to the place it should be whatever so I say to him so what's the problem you run your bus and so what's the problem is that no our municipality yeah we've run out of so we're trying to negotiate from the neighboring municipality to get bail they want to charge us so much for this as if they should be special and so and then I discovered that the next morning I had to go to the central bus station and I wat us up behind each bus smelling nor smell nothing bus is running fine then that discovered is about six other cities just in Europe that run the buses on human ship so I have been saying to African leaders the last couple years at the African Union that I refuse to accept that European is better than African we have to just get our together and turn the crisis of climate change into an opportunity that can address not only the issue of climate but the issue of Sanitation the issue of job creation and so on so that's the challenge before us so I'm gonna ask all the political parties the main question is what is your view on running all the buses in our country on human so be prepared for that quiz [Applause] okay so first let me ask you all first let me ask y'all to put your hands together to say very very big thank you to all political party representatives that responded positively to this invitation from the range of organizations that have sponsored this event and I'll just name them selfs a project 90 but by 2030 Africa climate reality project we fight climate change three fifty.org and the alternative information in development center AIDC let's put our hands together for all of you okay so let me ask the young you gotta watch okay Rachel will help you and with the other young person on that time okay somebody help with a watch this so each of our leaders as two minutes once they hit the two minutes you stand by the red chair there and look at them nicely and smile yeah you know what to do okay you can just stand and smile okay so you got your two minutes the cutoff points so we're gonna kick off with our first representative Beverley Schaefer from the Democratic Alliance over to you Beverley your two minutes starts now thank you very much so the question is do we care about the environment is a democratic alliance and the answer is absolutely yes and if there's any party that actually understands it climate change and environmental changes it's us in the Western Cape who's I I'm the minister of economic opportunities and agriculture because we've had six years of drought but six years of drought without a water crisis but at the same time we're also we understand and we put press policies in place that were the fastest growing renewable energy province in Africa we rank currently 128 out of 132 countries on the international environmental performance index the index notes with serious concern that South Africa's deteriorating air and water quality its biodiversity the functioning of ecosystems and the state of our fisheries is in dire straits unless a truly integrated approach to environmental management is entrenched across all spheres of the state and society it is unlikely to be any improvement in any environmental measures and we believe the protection of the environment goes far beyond conservation the maintenance of environmental quality particularly the reduction of water and soil pollution is critical as you've heard for human and ecosystem health and the DA's vision of an open opportunity society in which citizens have resource power and the opportunity to develop themselves and pursue their own objectives requires a healthy and productive population we also understand that a degraded environment is not only minimizes opportunity for people it actively works against any attempts to alleviate the plight of the most vulnerable people in our society so I know we've talked about the environment we also understand that opportunities for new jobs in the green economy are numerous and provide an opportunity for people across South Africa an effective response to climate change is absolutely needed just last year the Western Cape at 14,500 fires in one year the year before that we had 17,000 fires in one year our disaster risk budget has had to increase every single year the DA's vision of a society for all people resonates in its response to environment water mineral thank you thank you thank you thanks and it's always hard to go first so thank you thank you so please let's say thank you once more to Beverly skipper our next representative is from the ANC and we call upon files decals to give their position in two minutes over to your face Amandla we as the ANC believed you me us are integrally related to the interconnected to the earth and so our society is faced with big socio-economic challenges poverty unemployment inequality and all of this is exacerbated by climate change and how we act now is also linked to how we're going to deal with the consequences I think the video makes it very clear the poor and the vulnerable are the most acutely affected by climate change I think for us we must balance what we call the brown and the and the green issues the socio-economic issues and the challenges as well as climate change South Africa has made significant strides but we need to get our share together more needs to be done I will give you a sense that we are signatory to the Paris agreement we are part of a comprehensive and balanced approach to dealing with climate change more needs to be done around that I think we need to navigate this thing of industrialization development needs visa be protecting it's not a either/or it's an N and situation we need to look at how we balance the people planet and also sustainability I think we've made significant investments in renewable energy public transport efficiencies we've also invested heavily in programs that out with climate change like working for water the wetlands and working for fire programs we will provide assistance to African countries to look at how we assist them both on climate change and in rest mitigation the transition to low carbon economy is a challenge we not we inherited a lot of coal and cheap labor and so we have to manage that transition also water security we've made many attempts or movements around cross-border water security with our neighboring countries desalination and also campaigns to the reduce and reuse and recycle is there water treatment plants is also something that we focus on but I agree more needs to be done thinking Thanks you see the power of young people is amazing let's say thank you define use once again our next representative is Farooq Assam and he's from cope the floor is yours thank you very much if you look at the pamphlet issued by cope which is on my Facebook page Council of our Qasim you will see that it is the number one issue on our pamphlet climate change is already 50 years in the making 50 years ago the United States Senate was warned about the fact that there was too much carbon excell accumulating in the atmosphere that the oceans were acidifying so already we are much too late and therefore if we do not speed up action I'm afraid that the 12 year window that we have will be all too little and everyone will say you guys in politics dude they too little too late and that is what's going to happen this should really terrify us because as you saw what happened in Mozambique what's happened now in Durban what's happening in Johannesburg China you name it country after country is witnessing they affects the ravaging effects of climate change so therefore how does cop view this issue in the City Council where I'm a member I am bringing this issue up every time meeting after meeting I'm on the climate and Energy Committee there too it is something that we have to do earnestly and urgently because our children are now and children are going to inherit a wasteland it is that serious as cobia was saying when i just popped in here we are talking about you know what's going to happen beyond the 1.5 degrees those who live in militant will know that Oh on one night all of the sand on the beach was gone in one night when you went there there wasn't one grain of sand the northeasters are going to be prevalent in Cape Town for ten months of the year only June and July will not see these stormy winds so ladies and gentlemen we are in for a very very stormy ride and coaxes let's move with utmost speed because time is not on our side thank you thank you very much farouq farouq said one sentence day which I just want to ask the audience a question he said we have 12 years anybody knows what 12 years is about most reports by scientists are actually about 10 years and that basically means um we have about 10 years to move to solar panels stop drilling for oil restore oceans before we hit an irreversible chain reaction which will lead to most life on Earth going completely extinct which will include all of the human race [Applause] just think about that for a second ten years or even 12 years right and she's right by the way because that scientific body of the UN always gives conservative assessments so whatever they every assessment they give you can usually you know at least add a couple of more degrees of worse new sinners so she's right we'd be lucky if we have ten years so we got ten years for what to get carbon emissions to peak and start coming down drastically by 2030 before we on the road to irreversible catastrophic life destroying climate change and that should have all of us shaking in our boots and that should ensure that we also recognize that it cannot be business as usual anymore thank you very much once again the next party is the Socialist Workers Party and I'll call upon Shaheed Muhammad to represent them Shaheed the flow is yours Amandla comrades we believe that the central problem is the system of capitalism capitalism is international and you cannot talk about the Paris agreement because the Paris agreement has been set up by the capitalist the Paris agreement is voluntary the Paris agreement says that you need to promote a buying of insurance and promoting public-private partnership in other words in the skies of saving the environment they actually want to save the capitalists so we reject the minimum in fact we say the Paris agreement is far too little what we need is a revolution to overthrow capitalism what we need is the working class to organize not only nationally but internationally so Africa is keeping all the su2 as a slave the people of Lesotho is giving us all their water but they are living in dire poverty that must end the only way is through standing up mobilizing workers in every country or a socialist revolution that means that and I want to take issue here you know with the you know a lady on on the right saying that they protect the environment we stand for the defense of the Philippine cultural area which the DA is currently trying to destroy they are part of the supporting of a developer in a court case against the Philippi horticultural area small farmers that means the destruction of all our vegetable production in Cape Town that means the destruction of the last remaining recharge zone in Cape Town for the Cape Flats aquifer so if you want to talk climate put actions to your words don't talk nonsense here we stand for the we stand sorry we will talk later thank you thank you thank you I have to say that I recommend to all of you we have to moderate a difficult conversation do what I did just get two young people to help you and you can see everybody listens thank you thank you shade the next representative is from EF F and I call upon Panero Amador quick to take the floor no oh I mean I'll stand for him okay yeah so okay so the EF f is not yet so let's move then the next two parties sorry please calm down a bit but I'm gonna make a small joke and you don't want to miss it the next two parties is the Green Party and then the Dhaka party and before the green party takes the floor and ask you a very serious question is the green party greener than the Dhaka party you don't have to answer that yeah yeah why not um so my name is Jason I represent the Green Party we're actually the only party here that has been contesting the elections actually since 1994 we actually brought climate change to the people of South Africa trying to bring about some kind of change quite some time ago most of the words and information that we pass up back then fell on deaf ears we have worked with both the DA and the ANC in an attempt to bring some kind of environmental sanity to what's actually going on here and in fairness when I listen to both the DA and the ANC you know they kind of had their shot at running things but here we all find ourselves we find ourselves on the edge of absolute chaos and ecosystem meltdown now we've as a party we have tried our best to bring everybody the information we've been blocked up by media so we went ahead and created our own media channel we've gone to all the climate change conferences we have reported and displayed scientists trying to bring the infamy about climate change to the people and to a large extent we've been somewhat successful but for us to turn around the position of where we sit right now it's going to be really really difficult even if all of you were to today vote for the Green Party the probability of us being able to lift our nose before some kind of climate meltdown is near it's almost impossible we are literally not a vote for a party we are we are literally a vote for you and we're a vote for your children and we are literally the only party sitting here that is going to tell you something since achill about the environment everybody here likes to you know in fact in in all of the interviews that I've had prior to this they asked you to unpack the position of the Green Party and in a minute and a half but the problem is so massively complex it's really difficult to squash into a minute and a half some of the ideas that we are right there but by the way this is very good training to be in politics I mean I have to say that in quickly in the elevator test so the next party is the dacha party and I'll call upon Jeremy Acton Jeremy the floors good afternoon ok so we all know the problem we all know we're in the same climate change boat we all know that we're facing extinction we all know that time is of the essence and this is about our children's future ok so the question is how do we store it how do we stop taking fossil carbon out of the ground and burning it in our economy and putting it into the atmosphere is there possibly a technology that is eco-friendly that can take it out of the atmosphere back into the economy and that we might even be able to pack some of it away in such a way that we are saving the planet from the overload of carbon dioxide okay so I'm here to sell the product and the D technology that will do that for this country and it will allow everybody to participate equally in a whole new economy okay and that a technology is called cannabis data in the original word okay okay so the this is about a business plan we're going to be the we of the data party of South Africa we'll make sure that it is legislated in such a way that everyone may participate in a regulated way by the formation of cooperatives an award based scale that's the smallest unit we can create in South Africa in accordance with the smallest beautiful concept of the famous economist EF Schumacher and we build communities around that as cooperatives who would think work together in the regulation of how old may the youths be how what is appropriate behavior we can regulate ourselves we don't need a big brother corporate States to regulate us with police especially okay so that would allow us to deliver the biomass to the sewage works which gets mixed with the and we generate biogas in order to live off the fossil carbon cycle so we promised a cure for cancer at the clinics we promise hemp seed for nutrition so if you caring about the future of these young people please vote for them and vote can't data party and there's one thing you'll get a chance when I ask you a question than you may just say one thing sorry sorry sorry Jeremy just to be consistent so okay let's Shh why you're being so high now take it easy so let me just say one thing sorry let me firstly ask you today's thank all the speakers that have spoken already and then I just wanted to lift up the power of activism in this country and the power of taking issues that might seem unpopular small organizations and actually winning and I think Jeremy's movements has actually played a big role in showing how you can take litigation public campaigning and so on and won that victory in Cape Town I caught and I think that's a significant thing but more significant more significant sorry to be a bit biased was the other victory that SEFs a an organization that employs about 15-20 people joined with earthlife Africa also 15 people these two small NGOs had the guts to take on the government went to the Cape Town High Court and won a legal victory which had we had not won that victory where the court said to President Zuma and his government they had to stop the nuclear deal with Russia and go back and start that process again because they had not followed and when that court case started I can tell you that most people said you don't send a chance the deal is done it's all going to happen and winning that victory gave us chance to ensure that we dodged a big bullet let's be very clear if the nuclear deal went ahead our country would be even more in deep tuck than we are now Ryan let's just be clear about [Applause] so can you believe it all the political parties we got out of the way and they all kept to time so thank you oh sorry sorry sorry my sincere apologies for that over to you my brother your name wasn't on the list sorry Amanda I represent the PLF my name is nutty Samba Mia we view the energy sector as a national survey rein interest and we call for it to be owned by the state with no private entity carrying the ability to private ownership and we also do not support the Paris agreement as it overburdens developing nations with responding to the problem of climate change while the West refuses to take responsibility for their role in continually destroying the planet through looting of minerals without care for the oppressed which they have colonized if you look at the cap on majors report of 2017 it revealed that in 1988 only hundred companies majority-white produced more than 70% of the world's greenhouse gases of those hundred companies you will see that in South African white monopoly capital companies like PHP PHP PHP Billiton Anglo American Glencoe and X are our resources we support the fight against climate change we call for the utilization of clean energy which we of which the cleanest sustainable possibly is nuclear energy PLL further aims to ped in white monopoly capital corporations including those in the mining and the energy sector with a responsibility to fight climate change we can't fight climate change on our own and also as Bella food I'd like to say we are very like you know puzzled by the racial composition of the space because usually when you're here it's black people when we talk about poverty when we talk there are so many white people because climate change forces us to deal with their commands as Max talked about that all of us are in this shithole I wish a tramp doctor part and the racist must also come to fight in their communities and make sure that this country is good for all of us so we're saying we want clean energy and we are against the IPPS the independent power producers with 1.4 trillion use for them is really – well thank you and apologies that your name wasn't on the list so folks I'm gonna do one round of questions and with the permission of the representatives to make it more interesting I want to ask each of you the same question if that's okay but you should feel feel free to indicate to me if you would like to add to some of the questions so let me start with Beverly does the DA support a carbon fee or a carbon tax if not why and if so why so we don't support any tax we don't support taxes that add extra burden on society just to try and curb behavioral change we believe there's lots of other ways to actually sort up behavioural change we've seen that how we've done it so well with the water crisis and how we've actually got a permanent behavior change from 1.1 million liters down between 500 and 600 million liters still and continuing people are still continuing to conserve water so while we might be a taxed we don't support taxes just for behavioral change thank you please you see we are going to be coming in with the tax of 120 grams per ton but after free allocation is going to come to six rounds fifty a ton and the question is will six rounds fifth will six rounds fifty a ton be enough to impact on climate change it's not going to be the answer if you want to go for text go for it in a meaningful way so you get a transition from what is fossil fuel to something that would be moveable and carbon reduction fuels so I think we are going about it in the wrong way too little too late as always thank you okay thank you please I think as the ANC we support the text I think we want to encourage people to change their behavior but we also need to text those corporate companies to ensure that they actually do play and and contribute I think they easily write about whether six van is enough I think there is consultation around to actually increase it from six to forty forty a trend I think the problem is that we need to ensure that we get the by behavioral changes but at the same time force people look at the water issue here in the Western Cape we have high water terms and the poor is being punished for these high water tariffs that we have and the city is making up surplus a profit out of the of the water crisis that we have so we are saying it's it's double standards if the DA doesn't support the the carbon tax for the rich but they actually ensure that the poor gets punished for the water terrifed yeah thanks oh you know I just confused about you saying it I haven't liked to get out exactly what questions I just thought I posed it to one person if others want to jump in so Debbie okay I think that we would oppose the carbon tax because who's going to pay the text it's going to be you and I you see the capitalists will just reach it will just change their profit structure to to shift the burden onto us as the working class so what we need to do there is yeah so because there is a bit of a misconception in the conversation so far and that is in the environmental movement there has been a long-standing slow which says or principle actually which is the polluter pays principle the polluter pays principle and in the polluter pays principle if we applied it properly right the people that should pay the carbon tax are those that are the biggest consumers of carbon right so so basically we that you will yell a term called climate justice when we use the term climate justice what we mean is we have a terrible injustice that the parts of the world the Europe the United States and so on that builds the economies on dirty energy right they caused the majority of the damage east or eclis right but the people that are paying the first and most brutal price for climate impacts are people in Africa the Caribbean Asia and so on so when we talk about the polluter pays principle and the carbon tax it is to insure that it shouldn't be the way you said it if it was done properly the problem is a lot of the conversation globally and Donald Trump does exactly the same way he says oh no we don't want to tax anybody basically Donald Trump is about protecting the 1% of the United States it's not about caring about ordinary people and and and and as a matter of public policy when we look at many things where money is spent in South Africa much of the infrastructure development and so on that billions of dollars go into most of poor people in rural areas are not benefiting from it so it's the same principle about ensuring that those that benefit those that pollute are the ones that should pay the most you also want I'm still on the floor thank you you know I think that you know you are trying to discipline the capitalist you know whereas yes you know you can try techniques you know if it's if it is going to impact on the capitalist fine go ahead but what we stand for is for the expropriation of the minds you know of sessile and the commanding heights are those of the economy and in fact they're raising in the interim of the company tax on profits to 48 percent because you cannot leave the energy sector or the renewable energy in the hands of the capitalist so it has to be nationalization without compensation of these monopolies to be placed under workers control because we don't believe that this should be handed taken from you know other imperialism and hand it over to local black capitalists it's all capitalists thank you okay thanks so sorry thanks so the Green Party has a slightly expanded version of carbon taxation it's called environmental impact tax it's basically to the extent that you destroy is the extent that you pay and it tends to hold or it will hold all companies that are generating any kind of resource or business that is impactful to their environment to account the big problem here is not so much the implementation of an implant impact tax the big problem is once you generate the tax that the tax actually becomes utilized to correct the environment that it destroyed which is actually part of the big problem that we have right now you can raise as many taxes as you want but until you're going to inject it into sustainable kind of business and sustainable economy you're done for so the Green Party intends to implement an environmental impact tax hold those companies to account but with the finances that are raised by the taxation aid we will bring about behavioral change but be all of the taxation will be funneled into correcting the environment as it stands right now the ecosystem and one little quick thing you talked about Donald Trump South Africa if I remember correctly stands eighth highest polluter in the world and China you can talk about Donald Trump because the United States actually publishes their results but China does far far far worse than the United States ever could and and and their Asian by the way then they're not why so yes so so so thank you for making this points let me just correct two things that you got wrong data it's very important that when we look at Africa as a continent right that Africa is a continent has been one of the lowest emitters of carbon however South Africa as a country is the 12th largest emitter in the world okay and secondly when you make the comparison with us in China it's really important for us not to take out the question of per capita emissions so it is true that China as a population of 1.3 billion collectively is emitting more carbon but the United States is a population of 400 million people the individual person in the US because you know one of the issues that comes up when I was the head of Greenpeace people will always tell me oh especially in Europe and the US the question will come up yeah but what what are you doing about population size you know people in Africa and Asia are having too many babies and blah blah the reality is the consumption of one middle class kid in Europe or the u.s. is equals the consumption of 150 kids in a village anyway in Africa for example so it's important that we keep that perspective in mind so Jeremy so we have a push effect in terms of thinking about a text where at we hopefully reduce the are the outputs of carbon by large corporations and try to ensure that they don't post those costs on to the goods that we buy from them the other thing about the carbon credit markets is that with the right mindset it can become a massive business opportunity for all South Africans where if we could just sequester carbon and in such a way that it was placed into housing blocks for example we could kill two birds with one stone we can save the environment on the one side and we can build houses on the other side so that once again the material that we use the technical logical solution to actually apply the real change in getting off fossil carbon you we can text the system as much as we like to try and push it in the right direction but unless you're actually implementing the real solution that actually works in an ecological way then we haven't we can tax all we luck but we're still going to face the extinction if we don't apply the answers so once again I say that we have to unlock this resource called cannabis for the sustainable future I don't believe that we are going to be able to get away without doing that nature will decide and the thing that I wanted to say before our I have to say this Kumar okay is that the data party is in alliance with another political party you won't find the data party on the ballot our our candidates have joined with a political party called the African Democratic Change Party also known as ADAC so if you want to vote for this resource for your kids future and for an environment that can end economy that can use this resource then please both African Democratic Change thank you thank you thank you thank you Jeremy oh yeah there the BLF says you must grab the cup one pill right because it's informed by the Paris agreement and this will see the cost of climate change still carried by the poet directly I don't know if I should repeat that seems to be a lot of commotion please folks keep it down so I must be protected Chiapas in the commotion okay then you're through okay over to you yeah thank you we're saying that as a PLL for mass scrap the cap on tax bill right it's informed by the Paris agreement this will also see the cost of climate change directly impacting and being carried by the poor let people like the ones that case at end for instance also products such as petrol oil paraffin will be subjected to attacks like that and so sorry you do know the petrol petrified and so on is what causes climate change right yes but we do know that the poor people are the ones that are using tariffs in because they can't afford other forms of yeah okay so yeah I yeah granted but we still a bad – who emits the most that kind of debate right because when you champion say this paraffin I will tell you me people in Khayelitsha I am eating more than people who who are staying in affluent countries inand and so forth and therefore we must not give them paraffin because no no in fact I want to do much better than that and the people of South Africa yes given say they don't want paraffin they want clean energy where their homes won't burn down where they can wear their shacks but so so I don't know so just to say that the poor in the interim put the output the poor our country deserve the best yes I don't disagree with that but I'm just saying in the interim was the ANC and the DA in power and they are up the lives of our people in the interim well they have not been given our people clean energy we propose that these ones when we when we when we don't over text the poor for pimp or that is the main item and okay I agree with everything you're saying but joint text those are ready okay no thank you very much but I need to make one comment now folks for me being in this is just a very personal comment I got involved in the struggle when I was 15 years old my first march in 1980 the slogan in the front of the march was we want equality when the slogan got to the back of the march the young kids were chanting we want a color TV because they thought that was what the slogan was but what I want to say that my heart is actually very warm here today to see that we can have a discussion like this with diversity with a large measure of decency and this is what democracy looks like right so I just want to urge all the panelists to continue to respect each other as much as possible you can make your points without needing to be pejorative and attacking anybody as most of us have done up to now the second question that I want to ask is people keep saying it cannot be business as usual right that that what lily show you reminded us is that we have ten years to get emissions to peak before we on the to put it quite bluntly we call before we are basically on the road to extinction right so that that needs to put it real chakra in us right so I'm going to ask for the mic the and mic if somebody can give it to me and I'm gonna walk on the stage and I'm gonna ask each political party person to say if you agree it cannot be business as usual that what is needed now is not small baby step change what we need is a system change right what is the one non business as usual thing that you would do if you were if your party was elected into power is the question clear just one thing right and in not more than 30 seconds so to make it easy and save time I'll come to this stage I'm starting my on the extreme left Welli well you could also be on the extreme right depending which way you look at it so one non businesses use what would you change fundamentally to address climate change okay will redistribute stolen land creating at least a million jobs and this will it will implement with an alternative renewable energy model that could see 42% reductions in emissions thank you okay thank you cope yeah I think the first thing that we will need to change is the way people are transported because you see transport is costing people money and it's also also one of the biggest emitters so we have to deal with transport and see how we can overcome that problem in order that the whole business model changes because at the moment it is that some people live 30 kilometres away and have to commute daily to come to work and go back again and if you look at all the number of people that are with cars and the congestion the amount of pollution is scary and remember that our oceans have now completely acidified they can't take any more carbon so remind us now you said so many things what's the one thing change the whole transport model ok and and what what does that entail that will entail doing away with the vehicles that use petrol and diesel we will have to move to eke ours as swiftly as possible ok right so I'm gonna jump you for a second because you sounded like you disagree do what he said I mean that's great we are moving towards electric and electric cars but it really creates 45% to import an electric car into South Africa because it's considered a luxury vehicle we need to change that secondly so I agree with you on that but I think first of all is to cut the coal emissions that South Africa is using get rid of the girl coal plants we've got over 2,000 independent power producers on solar PV in the Western Cape why can we not have more independent power producers open the call for independent power producers to be open for South Africa and change the way that we use energy in South Africa thank you one thing the taco party would do Jeremy okay I'm gonna tell you quickly three things the first thing we're going to do at a city level is biogas or sewage for methane production and run our cities on methane instead of on long-distance fossil carbon the second thing is to legalize the future carbon resource which is cannabis and we can stop using fossil carbon okay and the other thing is that everyone is going to be participating in that vision including the vision for carbon sequestered carbon sequestration using the product that I recommend thank you very much thank you thank you the Green Party would implement renewables it would also make sure those renewables are free we would ban all chemicals that are poisoning the waterways we would implement ethical animal rights and reduce the amount of meat protein being eaten by the public and that is probably the single largest thing that you can do towards resolving climate change [Applause] okay from the socialist revolutionary Workers Party we would change the principle from a commodity economy to a needs-based economy therefore production will be based on need and not based on having to make a profit which means that the entire production will be earth-centered it will be people sent it and therefore there will be an immediate transition from the capitalist chaos that we have towards saving the planet which means that for example when you're dealing with renewables it's not going to be like for example at China University we produced a fantastic technique for solar power but it was bought up by rembrandt and sold to Germany it's being used in Germany so we're saying that yes we want renewables but it must be under the control of the state not just control of the state but under workers control thank you thank you I think for us we need to start with ourselves as people so we need a lot of change amongst ourselves as people although behavior because we can talk clean but we are dependent on dirty fuel in terms of our cars transport everything so we need to start with ourselves first I think the key thing is not either-or we need to manage the green issues with the brown issues the socio-economic we can't have focus on the on the climate change with optics without dealing with the in social economic challenges so for us it's about reducing the greenhouse emissions at the same time also reducing our dependency on coal and gradually phasing out our dependency on coal and ensure that we have clean energy mixes ok so can we give them a round of applause before I come to you [Applause] okay so I'm gonna call the two wonderful assistants of mine Lily Shaw and Inga's kisana to firstly both of them come and stand in front please these are the two people who are keeping the things moving please say a big thank you to Lily and Inga okay so they're gonna help me now to make sure that y'all behave yourselves so we were we're going to make sure that nobody takes more than 30 30 to 45 seconds in your questions okay so what I'm going to suggest to make it easier right there are going to be two people with roving mics I think this might should go to somebody okay so we take one questionnaire one questionnaire and we are going to be trying to balance a lot of diversity okay there will be one man one woman one young one old right like that okay yeah and this side that side so let's start with a gentleman day and and and once they go more than 30 seconds yeah you'll say yeah okay no don't worry I'll be very short if I want to correct you that also right-to-know campaign was part of the High Court case that was salutely sorry yeah thank you yeah one question for me or to all the parties Wow my question is what is their plan in terms of creating jobs and protecting the earth for Capone because I believe that the capitalists are using industrial in the sell some protest process to create jobs so what is the plan of protecting the earth and also creating jobs for the people especially for the poor people in the club hey thank you very much to the folks on the panel so we get most participation I'll collect five questions at a time and then when I come to you you pick one or two questions okay don't try to answer all of them because so going on to the decide there's a young woman there oh sorry young man sorry wrong angle I have a question for the Green Party if you could do exactly one of these three things which would you do shut down COO Berg ban GMO genetically modified food in South Africa or fix the railways which would you do and why okay well you should be doing this job very very good presses okay yeah yeah um and sorry the next one is he I don't see any black women on this panel and I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry about that but I guess my question is what is climate justice mean to you we've got seven people not a single one is a black woman and we all know the climate change affects women was the main we know Africa's warming at twice the global rate and uh what's the color of Africa so you know did you people give any sort to who's representing your party when you came here or were you just like oh the South African vote is gonna swallow this like they've swallowed it previously [Applause] yes thank you thank you great aspirations close down coal mines well what's gonna happen to all the workers first of all then secondly in the city of Cape Town the DA has not managed over I don't know how many years to put a proper recycling plan in place you know the recycling economy could create many jobs and you know I don't think it's that difficult you know Stadium was built in Greenpoint in some magical record time why can't we get a recycling program off the ground in the city of character okay thank you [Applause] afternoon my question is directly to the DA what was the what active vice for what happed advise what that is what what advice was this was beautiful o for only for black people o for everyone because if yes or no do you have on your premises a second question the ANC when I renovating our pcs they're vulnerable send Mikasa because there are two deity you are putting a private security on your own pcs and second cope cope where you a bunch of losers nothing I can say to you okay okay all right that's it okay so let me just say that we want to give everybody a chance to participate please listen to each other even if you disagree when you have so many political parties with the diversity we have in our country we cannot all have different views to everything so please respect that okay and and and let's not argue the point don't argue against people all the positions okay so you want to say something give it to us she deserves it my question is aimed at every single political party represented on the stage right now so for the carbon tax I wanted to point out even if it is just the polluters paying they have enough money that they would be able to easily pay for the carbon tax and more so I don't believe a carbon tax is actually what we need right now thank you thank you okay so over to you good afternoon everybody we have a voice where we can voice everything we are facing a historic crisis the climate change is manifesting itself here what I want to know is from the panel anybody can take this up is to some of you support renewable energy the parties here prison how do you propose to move to a just transition in the interim and pass and post may 8th of the elections because climate change is affecting everybody especially those in the poor and informal settlements thank you thank you very much let's take one last questions from this side and then we'll give a quick round of responses so I want to know from the parties people vote for the parties but parties represent companies and not people in this country so two examples the DA representing companies and not the community of Philippi Philippi is the lungs of Cape Town there's a massive aquifer water source and it also consumes and and takes in a lot of the carbon so how can the DA make a decision where you grant prospecting license for one company to benefit for resources that belong to everyone in this country so that the sec secondly to the ANC in Albany how can a minister who doesn't represent people in this country but represents a Australian company goes into a community divides the community 12 activists have been killed no one knows or there haven't been any investigation completed a court case that's worn by the community for free prior informed consent and the minister takes to an appeal meaning the minister doesn't think consent is required from the community so how can we vote for parties and people that don't care about people but rather represent interests of companies okay so a big challenge to the panelists now right I need you to be a really disciplined okay so you're gonna have a minute to respond to any of the questions that came up so that we can have at least three rounds of where people from the floor can ask questions fasal start with you and you can just pass the mic around thanks very important questions look I think the ANC we have African woman and I think I want to start there I'm I'm really apologetic that we haven't sent African woman year because they can as as much as me also articulate the views espoused by the by the ANC on the issue I think the issue of gender equality in the ANC is there we are we are quite affirmed about about it and I think your point is well made and I respect the point I think I think the ANC must acknowledge the mistakes that we've made and I want to acknowledge that in many instances we have gone wrong and we have messed up let me use that word I think the common example now is where the ANC must ensure that we put people first not profit and not companies I think our policy speaks to that I think there is challenges around it and we'll will address that we are not in government here in the Western Cape so I think sometimes people talk very glibly about the role that the ANC plays we are not in government comrade we are not in government okay and we have there's eight years that we haven't been in government we support the community issues that's prevalent in the on the Cape press and fight for environmental justice here Thank You face / – yeah from the socialist revolutionary Workers Party we say that one of the first principles when it comes to mining is that any community has got the absolute right to refuse mine no compromising that the state has arrested many housing activists many working-class activists are languishing in jail because they stood up defending the community and as we as accommodates are saying that some people have been killed now in the question of the recycling of water the DA has miserably failed every day there's 100 million liters of water being pumped into the sea it's a disgrace so we say that we need to protect the philippi water cultural area it's how it's the owner chair of the Cape Flats aquifer as we said already and we say that they should be a plan for the the treating and the integration of water I'll stop the thank you very much I'm also scared by the way it's not a matter of being scared it's just a respect thank you I really appreciate that Courtney you had those three questions be lovely it's actually just one question you asked me 103 so you know if you consider that Kubek is producing power 1.2 tons of carbon per kilowatt produced so I wouldn't take Koo Berg I would look at the expansion of the transport system but I would Electrify but to answer your question I would actually go with GMOs and not necessarily because GMOs in their own right it's actually the kind of chemicals that they're utilizing to maintain GMOs so it's having a long-term effect on the biomass in the soil and we've actually taken samples of the soil and we've checked for ourselves as dde there's Dahlgren there's various types of bio magnifying was already resident in the soils and it's actually in your food by the way that you're buying off the shelf so I would go with GMOs and I would go mainly for the control of the agree chem that they're applying to it and I just like to say something to if I may that we're in a position right now where we're actually in a hell of a lot of trouble and it's not important what color I am what's important is the message and so you can replace me with whatever person you want as long as the message comes through so there we go so I had a few questions I think firstly how to create jobs and we know that going forward in the new economy that everything is about sustainable and renewable energy I'm not saying get rid of coals completely but we need to stop increasing coal usage we need to start looking at at green energy and the jobs is in the green economy we have created more jobs in the Western Cape in the green economy through the Atlantis green tech zone because we are now and and has resulted now in the fastest-growing economy in the Africa we were but the first and important thing is that you can't create the jobs if you don't create the skill so under our skills our skills program we have now got skills to actually help people to install solar PV because this is a required skill and to be able to participate in the green economy you need specific skills so we believe that there is certainly potential secondly the city of Cape Town does have a city of Cape Town integrated waste management bylaw it also has a website for waste recyclers which you can actually just click on and it will tell you exactly where the recyclers are I've heard that there's more than 65,000 waste pickers across South Africa the waste recycling green circular economy is very important and we're moving towards that and we also the green Cape waste economy more and intelligence reports thank you next please okay I'm going to just answer questions from a point of view about gentleman over they asked about renewable energy we support I guess from sewage we support concentrating solar-thermal rather than photovoltaics which the author Jeremy Rifkin calls a dead end the technological dead end we also support medium scale wind power but using bird-friendly technologies and not those that damage the lives of bats and migrant birds that is possible with regard to the job creation you cannot create jobs in a energy economy where the energy supply is shrinking you cannot create jobs where the material supply is shrinking we have to double our resources just to maintain our present levels as fossil carbon wanes and becomes more and more expensive to man now we are not only facing climate change the extinction from the emissions that then caused the problem with climate will also have gone over Peak Oil in a 2011 we're on the downhills supplier of carbon so we are already in a state of economic energy collapse so the solution to that is to unlock a resource that allows people to actually generate carbon for material jobs creation tourism and clean energy thank you very much i I'm tabled a motion in the council three months ago on better waste management and recycling but unfortunately it was shot down by the DA it's fact you can have a look at that secondly on 100 BC Beach you would like to know that I had a motion to try and get 100 BC Beach and the beaches along the false coast up and running because South Africa has the two biggest pools tidal pools in Africa at manhua BC beach and and Fontanne and if you look at them now they're in total ruin so I'm trying to push very hard for that I'm also very much in favor of improving the ring rail service so that we can do something about it I agree that we must create micro grids to provide power and if I were not voting for cope I would certainly vote for the Green Party and I support the idea of concentrated solar that is the solution and at the moment we are now having new types of solar technology called bye-bye facial technology which allows panels to pick up electricity from the top and from the bottom I'm sorry I'm not a woman but in my party I'm the strongest proponent for environment and that's why I'm here my apology sheperson can I speak yes I'm speaking their conversations today have not been dialectical and this is a hallmark of liberal you know elitist conversations we are saying as PLF or we must redistribute the land in 35,000 white families to black people creating 1 million jobs and this together with an alternative energy model could see us you know decreasing emissions at 42% within 5 years and we also say there must be nationalization of the mining sector the mining sector is this will offset the cost of nuclear energy try answering by the way that's not the best the first okay I'm stuttering the first question ok and then I'll deal with that and I'll deal with the socialization always fine cool so I'm responding to the first question and I also want to respond to the question of the brother there with the white I'm sorry I don't know your name my brother but we call on as a paella for every party for every political party to tell us who finds them this is very important because the reason why people are talking with forked tongues in these political parties is because they are Pele funded by sordid capitalists from elsewhere and we must all come forward and say I am funded by a businessperson in Khayelitsha in mining pack so thank you yeah you're done yes okay so I'm done so I just wanted to point out something just for my own understanding your first sentence was this conversation is not dialectical it's very elitist so so let me just ask how many of you year knows what the definition of dialectical is us oh it places the floor to always be elitist oh I know the meaning so odd okay thank you I'll just make your life moment I have received I have received a note from some residents from Kylie Chow shall read in a short while but I want to take one round more of questions and I'm gonna go to the back now sorry sorry we really serve in the front let's go to the back we'll come back here yeah please take it please thank thank you so much it's amazing how you started this conversation Kumi with in Afrikaans I say bhrama bully and others were calling it and and feces excuse the language of our friend anybody but the issue here is that there are people that is loving in masse firmly and I'm sure other informal settlements that's literally loving on feces human faeces and everybody is talking about the issue to say how we can create biogas with that why has the DA government not implemented that within the Western Cape way they have the power then the authority to do so recently in the in the IDP budget speech at our sub council that we attained acceptance of 19 there's loads of money that has been set aside for recycling and for the dumps in muizenberg but nothing has been mentioned about Masafumi lately in terms of food security through the mayor's urban regeneration plan and it's a pity that good is not here today so that we can ask this question the the community I come from Ocean View has put together a plan to say that we need because of the food insecurity in the area especially ocean view mass from Eleni we want to run our own food garden of own food Gardens instead the DLA governor instead her dear late government then gave it to a very famous person Justin Bonello and not involving the community in that conversations other than us just learning to become farmers and we had people that has put in a tender from our community to do so and the the issue was also run land and someone spoke earlier about the Philippi situation I think it was karma demo that spoke about that now if we want to sustain ourselves as a community then surely we expect the politicians to give the giver the resources financially or otherwise to the people so that we can sustain ourselves as community on the issue and everybody's been speaking about the environment from coke coke started with the human rights and its people's human rights not to live in in sewer and then also to the DEA and to the ANC around the issue of land if n I think BL if it's also talking to the issue of land I'm wrapping up please allow me because we've been waiting for this opportunity what are you going to do for the people of the Western Cape and specifically around mer the people of ocean view and Masafumi Lily and then lastly in ocean view they it's called Salomon squids a rustic and people have been living on that land for thirty years they have still not been serviced properly by the daily government they are still using candles and renewing using renewable energy that they have designed so I want to put the challenge out to the political parties is pay attention to the poor [Applause] good day to you ever to everyone that's sitting up there I don't know if you can hear me I really like you Ben I don't know if it's European or was better is it but my main concern is what are we doing about our ozone layer that is failing us than you people like selling us products that are saying ozone-friendly when I come to stop like digging our land and let nature take its course the stricter the second one it goes straight to the ANC yeah you were just making your budget spits recently on this year saying that you have taking so much money out of the flour that you're selling us at three days later the bread that is made out of the same flour has gone up what's that supposed to mean thank you thank you very much [Applause] please I have to direct questions because I believe politicians should be focused on the now we don't have time for the future so right now COO Berg is operating it's a nuclear power station around that love a lot of people in informal settlements if there's a leakage there's no way for them to shelter they will die of cancer if not radiation the food basket of the Western Cape is within that radiation plume COO Berg is way past its sell-by date so every political party on stage what date if you get into power what date will Kubek close and my other question is we've spoken about climate change we've seen the videos we know the droughts we know the floods that can happen in the winter so and we know it's going to increase and we know every time the government will tell us yeah we'll find some national emergency money we'll find some local emergency money we don't need small bits of money we need a real climate adaptation strategy for everybody so for every political party they're viewer in power what percentage of your budget would you make sure it got to climate adaptation thank you thank you yeah thanks man they are just going to bring the conversation down to the grassroots level we all know obviously we all know is a governing party in a western cape we all talk about renewable energy but the politicians doesn't respond who owns and controls the technology that is the important part who funds them if they are pushing a capital loss a change that is obviously who funds them but let's get back to reality in dolphin from Delft they were building our DP houses the community said let's put in solar heating so that we can generate solar heating and of course energy that was denied meaning that we are still connected to the grid in Cuba it is proven people that generate their own electricity because the Sun is free generate 60 percent of their household energy the other point was raised about our skills levels our skills level I would like to inform government in our schools we are doing math literacy meaning our children cannot enter University they don't have much so the system is designed to exclude us from that previous thank you my last final my last point political parties we all know South Africa's the most unequal country in the world I don't know it comes about political parties always make a reference to our people I don't know of us be belonging to any political party as our people meaning to accomplish if we are poor and we are our people to the political parties we will say because thank you very much thank you the young person may go ahead the one with the mic I'll come back to the please go ahead ok um since we have seen what has happened in Devon there's been flat and a lot of people have died now we all know that wetlands are sort of like flat controllers you know and I have noticed in Kylee child in also tells there are wetlands that are not protected this heading says the earth needs our protection when we will put when will we protect our earth by making sure that these lives that are earned these wetlands are protected okay thank you I think we'll go back to the panel and then come back to the good news wait I got some good news for you what's the time now six o'clock five to six the good news is because I cut down the number of questions I asked the panel we were only supposed to start with audience participation at 6 o'clock so you've got another long time right so you'll have lots of time so before I turn to the panel though there's just a message from residents from Khayelitsha I won't read the whole thing it's quite long but it's called my ETA movement they say if the parties care about us why didn't they go to Khayelitsha where there was a big fire disaster the people in Khayelitsha don't have identity documents since the fire in October until today how will they vote the ward councillor does not respond to invitation from community members a lawyer in Cape Town is stealing money from a man who never work again which the man received from the government okay there's lots of demands here but I just wanted to register this is a group from Khayelitsha that are raising some important concerns especially about the ability to participate two weeks from now in the elections because they lost the identity document so sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry for first don't don't do this just stop here the water device did you understand the question wait I'm trying to get it to answer the question okay okay okay so when it coming to me okay okay so folks I'm gonna give you alder I'm gonna give all the panelists now a chance to answer again and I'll come sit down with you in the back and you can whisper in my ears the question again so I make sure it comes okay so when it comes to you use the opportunity to give that answer where's the mic at the moment let's start with BLS first please yeah I wanted to speak to mr. Lowe there the back is the community activist from my neighborhood in Taft I initially talked about education right and political parties but what we think we should do as blf when you come into power is that with the call for free education right to colonise and what not I think we must also include climate consciousness or justice issues in the curriculum itself so that from ect our kids know that they should be taking care of this planet not that when they are in high school or at university because it shall change and reorient eight them in a different way and that it must be rooted from a black working class perspective because this is a black country and so on and so forth and also I want to answer the question on my sister said why are we not having a woman representative on the best candidate and and there are women and we are very capable but for this debate for today we felt like it was necessary for me to do this and I just forgot thanks thank you very much thank you very much in the ordinal question of living in Suba you know I'm really shocked that we are not using the Bill of Rights to the extent that we should hardly anyone is talking about the Bill of Rights and yet that is something that you can enforce secondly the floods you know in Khayelitsha is built on a floodplain and there are so many people who are now building houses where if we get a major flood hundreds if not thousands of people are going to be casualties as far as Coburg is concerned let me tell you this all nuclear plants of the same type are supposed to be maintained in the same time period but Kubik is not able to do that because it hasn't got the money which means that it poses an enormous enormous risk to all those who are living in Cape Town as far as philippi is concerned I think you might like to know that Philippi is the only agricultural horticultural area in South Africa where you can have three crops per annum if it goes I tell you what food security will go with it now just okay one more thing on the mats issue I have a motion at the moment in front of the council regarding our maths and science techno Park if that comes about we will achieve miracles in making Cape Town the city of mathematics and science so just hope that the DA supports it and we can put that on the jar thank you thank you I saw you and we will come to you at the question time okay so just on a lighter note Farouk aren't you impressed with Omni motions and so on this guy's bringing in the City Council I think you must get a prize for the largest number of motions that is stabled coming may I say to you when I was an MP I held the world record for asking the most number of questions we are not surprised yeah there are surprised they also called me a mister motion there I pass a lot of motion but not at the fear each type thank you please hear me I'm recording the replacement or the ending of Kubik we first have to generate the energy elsewhere and I believe it can happen at every serious works in the Western Cape once we have generated the megawatts or gigawatts that Coburg produces we can immediately begin decommissioning I don't know how long it takes to decommission a nuclear power station but one could consider it to be let's say ten years and any time after that is dragging our heels anytime before that we can pat ourselves on the back regarding education I think that the general ethos in national government is one of general apathy towards education and after do you think that every child no matter their cultural background has the potential to be a top scientist and mathematician and artist and farmer so we have to not just think only of mathematics and electronics but we must also understand that agriculture should also be in education from day one right to metric they used to be great technical skills woodwork and metalwork in cotton schools where is that now we need to see that coming back into education okay thank you thank you thank you Jeremy thanks Kimmy I'm just interested please folks just in terms of the food gardens and talking about Masuku million Ocean View ma'am I do I'm aware that Justin is is running a food garden there but if you are interested my Department of Agriculture if you come to me afterwards I will get your details and get them to help you set up a food garden if you've got the space so that's not a problem can I just answer the question on the pH a I mean I played a very big role in preserving and fighting for the rights of the pH a in Parliament in the portfolio committee today we have got the pH a declared and as outside of the of the court case because that area was already that that development request had a ribbon in so there's a law there's a there's a legislative process it follows but the area outside of that is fully now declared an agricultural area we fully support that no urban housing be put on the agricultural area and we understand it is a refilling of the aquifer so I absolutely am NOT fighting you on the PHA I support you 100% then in Cobourg Kubik will be decommissioned and there was an upgrade to coober it should have actually been decommissioned in two years time but it was upgraded to 2040 for it contributes to four percent of the power capacity and the responsibility of the commissioning Kubik is with ISKCON and the problem is that the decommissioning will cost Eskom about seventy six billion rand i wonder where is come is going to find that in terms of biomass biomass is still a little bit more expensive than solar energy at this stage but I believe that biomass could definitely be used in agriculture in terms of the ID if there's lost IDs you have an absolute right to get a free ID before the elections and there should be no reason why you cannot go to Home Affairs and get that ID document and on the day of elections the six the seventh and the eighth which are special there are special votes for first two days you can go to the Department of Home Affairs and get an immediate temporary ID and you can vote there is no reason you're Pro absolute rights to have an identity document it's enshrined in the Constitution then in terms of the water diet devices so the water devices are not are not obviously not just lift to what you call black people in communities that's absolutely not true water devices were at the time of the water crisis from what I understand put on to every household that were very high usage you will see that in some of the very affluent wait can I finish so you asked you asked everybody just hang on a second right if you ask a question right and the person does not unsay it right for example I'm trying to get it to an sit and and let let the man say but you have a choice if you don't get the answer this is a good news if you don't get the answers that you want it's helping you to decide who to vote for so don't panic don't panic just listen if it's not an answer then you have a choice you go somewhere else please finishing but but time is also getting tight I understand that the water devices are problematic and we are busy investigating so I fully hear you there is a problem with the water devices and finally and last but not least we are expecting flashbacks where every with every draft ladies and gentlemen there are flash floods that happen afterwards the question we must ask ourselves have we removed the sand out of the out of the canals so that we don't have floods affecting people's lives we will have flashlights after the six-year drought and we must as govern make sure that we mitigate the risk to that thank you Thanks Thanks so so before folks no point putting up your ends now you know why because there's three more to still speak okay Shh okay so my brother please I'm trying to keep a conversation going okay so please please let the others answer now okay okay Shh can ask okay sorry folks can I just ask you to just cool it down for a second and I want to just make a comment to spice up the debate a little bit and then I'm gonna go to the Green Party I think to the DA representative I just wanna say I think it's correct that we acknowledge that the Constitution guarantees the rights as you've done but the problem is the problem is that the history of exclusion has meant that there are people who are struggling to find a bus way to go to the oume face to do their work they have problems with literacy right but many of our people have been you know he was always remind ourselves that the most powerful single sentence on a pathway policy was about education let me remind you her foot once said blacks should never be shown the greener pastures of Education they should know that their station in life their role in life is to be used of water and carriers we use of wooden carriers of water basically for food said our education policy must make sure that all that black people do is chop trees and carry water right and that legacy of exclusion is not going to be wiped out in 25 years it's still there so therefore while I think da is absolutely right that the Constitution provides all of this we must be clear that there are many things in our Constitution there are being ignored left right and center because our people don't have the educational the government is not invested in education to ensure that our people can participate in public debates from a educated informed perspective and education being denied by foot and the apartheid regime was done very consciously because they knew that that would be a punch to the solar plexus of the black community so let's just be very clear that while the Constitution allows certain things sadly many people are not able to access those benefits and we need to have some sensitivity to that reality Green Party Wow okay so there's quite a lot of questions covering quite a lot of kind of topics I think everybody here there's contributing or a political party that's having they say actually a lot of them have some fairly viable ideas and concepts and it's not necessarily that one person talks over another person when it's the same idea so to give you an example of this when we were going through our first kind of bouts of load sharing couple years back we actually bought a proposal to the city of Cape Town to utilize the surge refineries methane kind of you know outlets gas and feed it into the biogas generators to keep the city powering and concepts like this are extremely viable and and very much durable and and a while back I had a discussion with black first LEM first a guy and he said something that I really liked and he said something that water is a human right and I completely agree with us that echoes completely with me the problem is when you don't actually have access to water so you have to start by first cleaning your water supply someone mentioned you know flood plains one of the problems that they have is that they've actually allowed RDP development inside of rainwater catchments so that's pretty much what happens that's why you have flooding I'm gonna get you one day thank you okay the fundamental problem is that the commanding heights if you want to produce food the land is in the hands of 35,000 large commercial farms who produced 99% of our food and that means that if you want to feed the masses we've got to expropriate those farms you know you can and put it under the control of workers which is something that other people don't talk about you see now when you're talking about the philippi horticultural area there is currently a court case where Allen windy and his crew has entered the court as in support of the developer is the DI saying here that they are going to withdraw that they must declare it now and write a letter immediately [Applause] so we're saying that's why we meant what we meant by a needs based economy 100% of the budget would go towards climate accomodation and and and saving the earth and saving the people because it's people sent it now if you look at the the whole concept of yeah anyway my time isn't time is up okay thank you so much shade face thanks thanks Jay let me start with the idea I think if I can just get the details then we can see how we can support that family that was ravaged by the informal settlement fire I think it's important that government comes to our people so the ideas if I can get details we try to facilitate the ideas for that community let me speak to comrade Sharon I think comrade Sharon's issue is real the socio-economic justice around land and poverty and soiree Oh POV Cape Flats must be doubt it side by side by the environmental issues I think the sad reality is here in the Western Cape we haven't spent our urban settlement grant to the tune of two point 1 billion rent it's a travesty against the poor where those money that was allocated or meant for informal settlements and backyards have not been spent and been returned that's what the DA government is doing that they haven't really spent the money they focus Labine Lord is to look at private development and private and gentrification in in the city center on the bread I think it's quite correct that you have still big competition monopoly capital we fought the bread cartels and we need to ensure that the monopolies get broken down okay thank you face so let's give them a round of applause for sticking to time so I'm coming back to you now my sister day can she get the mic please okay you stop there and the second one is raise the other mic go ahead go ahead I by the way let me just tell you something right I am I am I am consciously privileging young people here because this fight is about young people's futures some of us who are making policies we will be dead and gone when the hits the fan by the way I'm so impressed that everybody's talking about right and by the way whenever they say methane right so some words just remember those of you are students especially to read up about meeting because methane is also a greenhouse gas which is worse than carbon but it has the potential when it's in our to be used for positive purposes actually I wouldn't say delighted within I'm glad that she mentioned that there would be no chops without skills and I'm actually kind of glad that he mentioned that caped obesity of science and math and so forth because I thought from a method in science mesons focus focus school but then what they fail to understand or at the forget is not each and every child is intellectual not each and every child's gonna sit on a disk and study maths business and accounting not each and every child seven-thirty physical sciences hence they're forgetting that they also have skilled children which they kind of ignore and they failing to educate our societies of arts culture and hence they are less or no school skills others that exist which is why they tend to turn their backs on skilful children which is why children pankley they they drop out of school because they want to but it's cuz they can't because not each and every child's gonna be intellectual so my question is to everybody on the panel said when are we gonna start building and focusing on skill focused skills because they do like this no society's right now thank you very much [Applause] okay before I take the next lesson where I pick where electric solar Saigon just hang on ma'am ma'am ma'am she's gonna go then I'm coming to you but let me just say to the young woman that just spoke way she I think most people in this room are gonna agree with the statement I'm about to make please start planning your bid to become the president of South Africa we will all campaign for you and start early as you have please hi everyone I'm sorry for my broken English because English is not my mother tongue so I've got two questions for the a I'm the u.s. speaker do a recycling since 1997 I'm not working and I've got children where I send them to school as a path network other day pass decree other they pass diploma but they are not working as as us because we have but – we've got to Lamar alums to go to town to City of Cape Town we send our memory fellow alum to professional government by paging reply us and we take Alera went to the local government local government said they didn't take our Maryland the circle straight to provincial couplings so we have you all people because up and down to that too because we need a lens or we need that emerald lens because who recycling is our job because we created job for us because we are not working the second question is I'm saying I'm staying in a shock but all 37,000 of water and my mother talita Park my mother's tenant is something but she put the poles maybe 70,000 but she all and 10,000 for the whole town we haven't got fun in our area and we haven't got cabins I want to ask our government you know our our government where did we get that money to pay the water [Applause] hey thank you thank you to the young this young man here thanks please keep it close keep it close to your mouth why the Green Party representative has an empty can of coke in front of him sorry say that again I want to know what the Green Party representative has an empty can of coke in front of it alright : okay good question you get that yes right and can you pass the mic to the person behind you please folks folks listen there's a good chance there's a really good chance that everybody who wants to ask a question will get a chance I'm a really trying hard okay so work with me right and just keep the noise down when people are talking please go for it hi everyone I will talk about the kind each other SSST where there's a problem about the ID I'm not happy with the answer cuz we're sailing memorandum after memorandum and in town there is no answer we follow all of the procedure you cannot go to home office with no money you must pay for your ID we all know I think so she's telling us to go to home offence to come and make our IDs we cannot do that government is make a promise out that they're going to make IDs for that people but now we are trying to get hold of the counselor try to get off da da government no one answers ants I mean answer us now that guys is giving us a promise that if we see him now is this going to follow the meta and try to do something about that's giving a hope to a people so for us that we stay in the community we go I mean we don't we don't know what to say about voting and well cause when I wanted to vote I mean what's the TA he was there on that day I can't remember what was her name said guys we're going to give you guys a 1700 they change that they say they're going to make us a soup kitchen they change that they say they're going to forgive us a voucher of 700 ran so they playing after playing around with us each upload a political but I'm not saying which one is better but now please guys go to SS teen town to try to resolve the problem that's why we're voting you for before the votes I'm not gonna say tell me when you can you can go any time and see the water problem since that fire we don't have water you can go any time since that fire we don't know water we must rally to add a location get water thank you thank you very much I'm from an organization kobish apply this action community okay just once again just once again let me ask somebody now you go Jenna what organization she's from what organization she's wrong dunno okay everybody stay quiet now introduce yourself again my name is Amanda from the Bishop Lavis action community I have two questions for the DA specifically firstly we are working in our community the pensioners mostly come to our offices with huge huge water bowls now they keep on saying that they are going to investigate we know the water meters are faulty so do something about it because people are ending up in hospital because they're worried about the money they need to pay that's the first thing and then the second thing is you make billions with the water crisis from the poor people so what are you actually doing with him that money is any of that money going towards making captain green thank you very much hi everyone my name is Leticia Musa from Google a – I'm representing economic freedom fighters right first of all I can answer your question from ta the money that is left they taking to the states to make their families to grow that side [Applause] he does he does he does he does secondly please secondly the ANC and the ta they know where to take at the fundings they are together if the ANC can say to the ta da you are wrong there and they the ta Dulce but you also the NC we are together this money okay sir Sir sir Sir sir all right right the last question is the TA do not play with our minds here the TA it is there is not a democratic alliance it is the National Party let's not for any other guys let's not forget guys in our olden days our mother and father's they can go outside without a pass to to the God lest effect of the TA okay there are the ones sorry thank you sir they are playing with our minds leaders so therefore do not play with our minds da don't don't okay tell us that they will give some jobs like okay for your for your acumen say I'm so sorry thank vivre thank you okay sorry please there's another question yet there's another round okay there's a question you are noted you are not you'll get a chance please I am from the green Anglicans sorry wait one second anybody whose organization is from okay introduce yourself again Beno from clean Anakin's green Anglicans I imagine that green Anglicans take it seriously listen to them now now first of all to the convener and let's not let's not a to the opposite of what we here for we are saying we're protecting the earth but we've got so many plastic bottles where else we can pour water from the tap and use glasses so please let's not do that again now to to the a and C and D a because you've got municipalities that you are running as we go around especially all of South Africa we encourage people to stop illegal dumping but there's illegal dumping in our communities because that is where our children playing true to safety reasons of playing far away from home now their root causes that the municipality is not coming to collect the cabbage so the only way they can dispose of this is throwing it in a central place where no one taking it away from their families now what are you doing to this MMC so I in charge of collecting this rubbish how are you disciplining them because they are not doing justice to our people and children I get in sick because that is where needles are and all of this stuff that comes from our homes thank you thank you very much ok I'll come next time ok so we're taking that last question and then I'm coming around for a second down okay okay okay I just want to to the TA sorry ma'am so remember I heard you mention to the lady that you will assist in the community current project I have one also in SST the way where the complaints our way I also want to start ones who are like child marriage that I'd like to meet with you okay so this this debate that we are here today is a very difficult debate and for most of us who maybe to know to life sciences or physics in school we are lost okay but then yes what I want to say is that the government needs to step in now not tomorrow or next day or after the elections to today because the time may change is not going anyway so what needs to happen is that government does not also focus on the people especially in rural areas who yes I may not have it university but I have started a business a profitable business by myself so what the problem is that the government has not support entrepreneurs in rural areas they support entrepreneurs in towns but they don't know that we are the ones who know the problems that are actually happening in the rural areas as entropies that's why we decide to start our own businesses and hire people in the community spot but we do not get funding from the government we go to ITC to us funding so that we can hire people to clean their there the wetlands like there's a kind little wetland the boy mentioned there is one in college and SST it's dirty it's dead she want to hire community members to go together collectively and we could clean that wetland because it's ours and it's we were saving it for the future but the government does not want to hear our cries so I believe that the government is not doing enough there were there the white counselors or their committee members that are they they are not doing enough okay thank you very much so folks hope just hang on hang on hang on hang on we're gonna what I'm going to do is with the permission of the panel I realize there's been lots of questions just so we get everybody to have a chance I'm gonna allow three who from the side three from this side and then we give you two minutes each to respond okay so there's a gentleman here who has their design up and then please go ahead my name is Samuel and Alana and also please man never mind my English name it won't be good enough I want to speak on behalf of the poor about our health system our health system in our Township is very poor so I want to ask first the ANC when are you planning to implement our national health insurance and opposition parties they the question that I want to ask if one of you can be in charge how long will it take you to implement the image I thank you thank you very much [Applause] good evening my name is windy puck here and I'm from Allison Berg it's on the outskirts of Columbus I think my question is might be felt to the DA and the ANC because it's about land and our land rights in scale and was for instance there's been 99-year leases to farmers and I think might be happening all over the world with farmers almost by next to nothing for the land they are leasing from the municipalities and I think the same goes for the golf estates where there's so many landless people and we need land for subsistence farming because currently our food the food that we eat is not good there's lots of GMOs in it pesticides has been used on farms very few organic farmers are producing organic food but it's too expensive people cannot afford it so want to know what are your views on yeah I mean we've been speaking about expropriation and all of it I mean we've been asking for land for a long time we have to plant now it's schools because we're not getting lent so your views on an expropriation and also on the issue of the food that we eat and subsistence farming there's a lot of support to commercial farmers but very little support to subsistence farm and farmers to enhance our own food securities and then the second question is on Kubik and I want to let on what la sua say sorry folks yeah please give attention we are almost done if you think you're having a tough job being in the audience I just want to show you I'm having a really tough job being here tried to hold the whole thing together okay so what could me okay just listen because we and the farmers are killing the leg the over farm buy used lots of pesticides and there's a lot of pollution day so it also contribute to climate change so we need to invest more in subsistence farming on the issue of Cuba a lot of high-level nuclear waste is stored at Cuba without Eskimo being a clear plan in terms of how to deal with it if there's a crisis now or stormy or something happened Kubek is very close to Cape Town so what's gonna happen not only to remove people from Atlantis and close by but it's gonna be a disaster it did happen decommissioning in 2044 it's a really light we need to put clear plans in Exxon are so I've seen a video of a Kubik plan that leaked wait was they was concrete bald around the plant but the nuclear wise it actually it through the concrete that was around that and then actually saw how toxic toxic it is to the you to human beings and now it dumping low-level wise in foul pots in the northern cup with it oh very dry what little water in and so forth so I'm very happy to hear that nobody spoke about fracking and you clear because we know who want to fret about nuclear plants we need lots of water and fracking in the kuru is not a option because there is no water people are starving there's no water nucleus not option not in the northern cut not in the Eastern Cape not in the Western Cape we down one nuclear thank you very much Thank You Jana and the full day in the City of Columbus new and full moon city Serena gets long as the wrong or patents attitudinal are about is a ballad about the Kuna and Fallujah oh mama moon eh-eh-eh-eh-eh mama you cheat Chang Habana una second way I T okay I attack with Chile we have wars opens a rainy night in a panic when Molly LM on duty I talk when I'm on go up another driver chalice the I – and I'm tuna Cunha petty Western Cape we were talking offense my Bentley I tease when I'm touching ayahuasca st. these are glad that our coke I was sitting to ban a Bantu Masekela shebar Celia's now in Islam and missing out in Yerevan my cylinder Islam and cooling I abandon ship abandon every nigga is not man Scotty me suddenly say they burn ban me say it to me no aunt Elaine invasion no no enforcement monob am about to Bob and Bob Abu lon these the glenda only a man's hotel a memo it endo banner enjoy a man's man's besides I believe it was a support caballo kutina Khurana Teddy romance the felon Tony sees I chant on appeal and I'm Tony polish television that would be best finally my return was family automata detailing our citizenship in shoddy without you see ballet romantic saucer and Sangha mean each in a pop one about flu seven sermons and goes [Applause] like stow it please good afternoon my name is lucky and I'm from West Bank in case River I'm afraid because we have lost some time by not listening I don't think we can accommodate many pop people so I'm gonna ask those that are gonna get the mic now – please be brief and those that are listening please don't make noise so that I can try and squeeze in more people okay please be brief and please listen go ahead my name is Larkin I'm from West Bank the thing is I hear you people I'm talking about visiting places in making climate change I'm aware of people our way of time exchange but in West being the thing is we have a dump site there is written on no tamping but whenever you go there you see lots of champagne and all my stupid there's water running out the water and papers there and the only purpose that the only people working there is me and my friend over there the people from the Ottoman from the municipality and drive through there all the oldest ever said to us that we're wasting our time cleaning that place and we are not employed but we try our level best to clean the place so um what what is it a video to me because we don't know because we are unemployed but we are doing what the people who are employed are supposed to do okay thank you very much thank you Manon please please MA my name is Joyce my label and staying in a couplet I'm a patriot Weller who bled to petty others and I'm also in the health sector I'm a comity of Google a to health forum I'm staying in a pickup for 28 years and I'm very old pensioner but I'm staying in a pet yard point number one I was in general height student in the Patriot palace day on my way to that community I saw people cleaning the dams in the right area there are cleaning dams but when you are in the communities in the black in the colored communities there's a lot of rubbish into the Thames challenge to the temp directory and teller was on Monday she was on TV she was in the ta and she was protecting the TN all the dirty stuffs that happen in the DA she throw it out in the air that everyone in in South Africa Maslow wondered is protecting that he is protecting the white people now it's election time you want our votes 28 years in a backyard what do you think you will never find a person studying in a backyard [Applause] okay we have one last question here and then we turn to the panel please hello my name is Judy so and from the Green Party of South Africa I film all the climate change conferences since 2007 and I really know what is happening and what are one of the big problems that we've got right now apart from climate change is that the sea is running out of oxygen is for 30 years study that was released in 2016 and when the sea runs out of oxygen there'll be no fish or anything living thing but it'll be worse than that because the reason the sea is running out of oxygen is because the phytoplankton that make the oxygen in the sea they are dying because of the carbonic acid they are dying because of the increased heat but the problem is they also make our oxygen we are not they might like to think that we've got till 2030 before it's going to get bad but we have to take action right now if we're going to stop this thing happening and we know what to do I have been interviewing experts from all the different forests and polar and soils and agricultural experts and we know what to do you need a green voice in Parliament for that reason but I want to know what the other parties what are you going to do about these things what have you got anything that can address this extreme danger that is heading towards us now apart from the fact that we're running out of insects – only 15 percent of flying insects left all of these things are all coming together to have a big disaster we've got small disasters that we all dealing with but the is very big what are you gonna do thank you thanks I'm gonna allow two more questions you ready and up for some time oh so so you've been rolling up your hand for somebody else it's very confusing please I don't know is the last question right at the back there don't get shocked wha it's a quad this Gong Gong ji kanika assume you karaage Chi Chi Chi Wacha I'm saying here Shh not as the first indigenous people we are indigenous people all of us what's happening was a da government what all governance is bad governance try turbo pric haka we don't disregard us the First Nation we are all diverse nations the taya Cara clay if you look at your money it says I diverse people your night while are to be uniting if you look at the extinction we are going extinct what are you gonna do about it I Sakura aiya thank you very much [Applause] okay there's a there's a comrade from all the way from jo'burg land osa please visit you okay we give him a chance since he came all the way from jo'burg okay and then I come back there and then we go to the panel thank you I thought I wasn't gonna ask a question because this question has already been asked and unfortunately I didn't get an answer from from any of the panelists on this on this Martha the question on just once again the the fact is well you know you cannot have one or either of the two we need economic development and we also need to protect the environment at the same time we know that your promises will be based on better economic development so maybe that's the reason why climate change does not come out clearly it's not in the mainstream on any of your manifestos what we really need here is that you give us answers as to what are you going to do in terms of you know just transition you see because we really need our environment projected in as much as we need economic development thank you [Applause] folks I'm sorry that we are gonna run out of time I'm gonna take the last person but just before we go the question that's on the floor at the moment is one of the most important questions right maybe the term is not clearly understood where we talk about at just a transition right basically we know that we have to change from an economy that's driven by dirty brown fossil fuel-based in energy to an economy that's driven by clean green renewable based energy however the question is the people who work in the oil coal and gas industry the workers in those industry our brothers and sisters our mothers and fathers and they should not be punished for the policy choices that governments have made over a long time so while we need to make the change and the transition to clean energy we're saying it must be a just transition that is that the workers that work in those industries should be trained for new jobs in a clean inclusive green economy that those that are close to retirement age should be justly provided with proper retirement and so on so that's what we're saying and we want to often say in the environmental movement and the social justice moves were generally this thing that our politicians put before us oh it's jobs versus the environment or the jobs versus climate is something we must actually reject fully right it's a false choice and let me just say to all the political parties here my question to you right this is a time for tough choices political leadership is about making informed choices balancing different interests but true leadership is about also being willing to speak the truth to people to not lie to them not give them a fake solutions that made out to be solutions and so on and therefore the question is how do you balance the fact that we got 10 years what their scientists are saying we were 10 years to get emissions to peak and coming down we are so far away from that we need massive revolutionary change quickly right so when you have that and on the one end and then we know that coal kills on the other right my question to you is what is the fastest timeline can you will your party adopt to to the phasing out of coal give us a date we recognize it can't be done overnight we recognize it cannot be done overnight we need a just transition we need to plan it properly and so on however what's the point of saying we need to keep jobs going now and that kills all of us in the future so that's the question and let me just say on a lighter note how many of you saw that the movie called back to the future I just put up your hands let me see whether it's worth okay for those of you haven't seen it's about somebody who goes into a machine and gets goes back 40 years and so there's a meme I saw on whatsapp which has the two actors coming in 2045 and then they they go into 2045 and they come back to the present and they say that Professor guy says Shh you won't believe it they still billing me do P and kuchela they haven't finished it yet so folks last question to their gentlemen and then we go to the panel for closing comments please okay good evening to everyone that means eyebrows I'm sorry that I got this mic later on but please I hope that you'll understand I have questions but I'll minimize them because you're crying all the time okay my first question is da rlea when this conversation here I had a nice words here which I never had in Khayelitsha expropriation of land without compensation oh wow that's a nice word I never had them in Khayelitsha now sorry sorry I'm not trying to interrupt the house please so my question to you ta what is your input on that on that initiative is there any input that you have so I would like you to answer me on that reason why this question is directed sorry sorry sorry sorry sir please allow me in seconds please reason why this question is directly to TA I'm from Khayelitsha at s section if here we are honest with ourselves if you quote it to TR section and that section it's a wetland as a whole if you go to UT t t VT you go to s T these areas are separate but all of them are wetlands and nobody take care of them and the reason why is because of the up legs that are there is the poor that are they if you go to attest Googler – if you travel through our and to a passing populated as a place that is called the Europe and ny5 if you travel there it's embarrassing that you will see a black person of black people showing their asses out of their cars if that is embarrassing there is no dignity there if you get inside those informal settlements what you will care T there you see now it's tough if I want to help myself I have family with children now if I want to help myself I need to go outside and grip what support I'm not sure if you know porta falta I have to go and crap what a porta and I live in a one-room Shack so my family they I'm not sure if this thing is still working is it working yes ok but Jeff wife one minute more I want say one sentence more please ok once and then so if I want to have myself so my children with my wife they have to hide themselves with the Plunkett so that they can see what am i doing but the smell they can hear lastly I give you a charge one fraction thank you thank you lastly lastly no no listen people listen people I have to be professional I have to ask it because that guy is doing a great job so what lastly what I want to say in it it's us who are being affected with this climate change they pour in chefs you understand when it's raining it's us gee I will come in soup language English language that you don't get even there on the fifth only else yes thank you we are tired of that now please unplug it ok ok so wow so so folks folks I just want to make a quick observation I think it's amazing that even though we've had our chaotic moments that we all here together we all human beings we all have any conversation so before I go to the panel for the closing comments can I ask you to give yourselves a round of applause for being a great audience [Applause] okay and so before I go to them I want to make one I'm gonna Beus the floor to make one argument or one observation that I have not heard much of in the conversation South Africans must remind themselves that we are part of a great continent called Africa we have had this whole conversation right about how we deal with the situation in South Africa with no reference to the fact that the fact that South Africa is the 12th largest emitter we have also contributed to the impacts that we see elsewhere in Africa so therefore I want to make an appeal to all the political parties here we would like to ask you to reflect on whether one country in Africa can solve all of its problems without having greater social economic and political integration with our brothers and sisters elsewhere on the continent I believe that one of the worst embarrassing or rific things about post apartheid South Africa is the fact that the countries where people supported our liberation struggle came from where we lived where the apartheid state bombed us where we intermarried with people from all over the countries where we were and today the way we treat people from other parts of Africa makes me ashamed to be a South African and we all should be ashamed of that so to make my point even more clear I'm gonna ask you to sing a song with just two words in it Bambi Lee Africa ok I I don't sing very well but I'll kick-started ok humbly he family family family family ah Rica bubbly bubbly bubbly bubbly family Africa y'all can do better another one more time family family family family family up Rica family family family family familia Rica thank you okay so I want to say a big thank you to the representatives of all the political parties for your patience I hope you don't mind that I privileged the audience what I want to do now is to give each of you two minutes to make your closing comments and you can respond to those questions that you feel where most directed at you so let me start on the extreme right DLF and I just want to remind the political party representatives that our – yeah cause it's still day in the front watching time okay yes oh how much time two minutes okay first of all I'd like to say as the PLF we propose right to have a policy proposition we propose that every public servant who assumes office next year in the sixth Parliament must take what we referred to as the Sandara oath where we say you must follow the beautiful example of Thomas and Aaron pagina for public servants must use public services they must not go to private while you are wallowing in Khayelitsha they're dying in the private public hospitals are these hundreds willing to take that to say I want to be accountable and not use the ministerial hand who can abuse all these resources but leave a very humble life like Thomas Sankara secondly I want to say the EF f Prado just came here my brother Allison Doba PFF now I only party political funding Aqaba Cubano Malema by a parliament or hakuna matata by all poles alone so all political parties must show their cotton see see find Ron Reuben it was from Brazil to theta would ever change in DotA penguin sugu a candy we are founder so it's very important Ibaka beside us Kyle each hour coming were going to to assist as much as we can by a small what is that party vote for pls because it's the only black alternative we can have it's gonna be number 11 on the ballot box what's on the issue of I t's they a concrete a is very economical with the truth very well I was at Home Affairs today they have a cutoff number of ideas that they can make on ad and and and and you I in power you can intervene don't always scapegoat the NCR all pair to both of you so it can't be a tête-à-tête between a and C and an MTA where they must take a serious this before yeah yeah vote for PL FC as a Kylie Cabana thank you very much thank you very much [Applause] thank you very much so before we go the main point that was made there is the important point that all political parties should say where the money is coming from whether it comes from individuals whether it comes from Gupta whether it comes from VBS whether it comes from Oppenheimer whether it comes from anybody transparency will help our democracy right thank you thank you let's begin with this from 2010 cope was the first party that publicly declared that political party funding must be declared we will declare number two you wanted to know where cope stands now this package was given to us cope leads every other party in respect of environmental issues everyone here has a copy of that number three if we were to get rid of coal I would say that we in government would get rid of it by 2025 and have a plan we would ban all petrol and diesel cars by 2030 we would do that you know that in in Europe at the moment the young people have started the extinction rebellion grita turn berg and others they brought London to a standstill because they want climate change changes now not tomorrow so we would do that your question on the transition just transition this is what cope will do we will restructuring must not happen in a chaotic fashion it must not negatively impact on workers and poor people it must be done proactively the transition towards a climate resilient and low-carbon economy must maximize the benefits of climate action and minimize hardship for workers and communities and sound investments in low emission and jawbridge sectors and technologies must be attracted in our manifesto we say we will take 10,000 people from the universities and prepare them thoroughly for the 4th Industrial Revolution because all the jobs that people are talking about none of those jobs are going to be existing 10 years from now so we better learn that it's going to be hard work and required skills to be able to negotiate the future no skills means no jobs so cope is going to do just that and I'm very very delighted that cope has you know is the number one leading party from Parliament on the scorecard if I had known never going to score it I would have pushed far more things in our manifesto to make it you know absolute leader in South Africa thank you ok so what are we going to do to make a just transition we can all start tomorrow and the way we do that is that the people are they go to plant cannabis immediately ok because then you are sequestering can a carbon and you are getting a multipurpose crop which will give you nutrition it has the most healthy seed on earth and yet we have six million children going to bed hungry every nights ok this is not a drag as the propaganda tells you this is the most nutritious seed on earth this is the longest and strongest fibre from a plant on earth all the sales of the British Navy and fun riebeck ships was made of cannabis okay so we can have a manufacturing economy which is clean and green we can have a tourism which uses the spiritual aspect of the plant for people to come to here and bring their dollars and experience our cannabis okay so what I'm asking you this is the technology that solves the entire climate change and survival of the human race issue so besides planting your cannabis and sequestering carbon from tomorrow onwards I also want to ask you to be able to think of your the resource in the future that your child might use to grow their future in terms of nutrition manufacturing housing textiles clean energy a medicine and and decide if you want them to be prosecuted for cultivating or to benefit from this god-given plant okay so we have the solution right here please if you also have this plant moving through your blood right now or later on to this evening please drop all those old historical affiliations that says I'm at a and C da for the rest of my life before I do that anymore business as usual business as usual hasn't worked so please put the African Democratic Change party yet so that we can grow the solutions to the future thank you Thank You Kimmy I think first of all a healthy environment is the most important thing in order to have clean energy and clean it's critical for creating a one South Africa for all we cannot have a healthy society without a healthy environment I think what's very important is is that we are leading in 22 municipalities to be able to produce our own solar energy and 18 of these municipalities can feed back into the grid we are producing 3000 direct jobs by 2020 just with our investment internet lentils green economy secondly I want to say that just yesterday we received a memorandum from the World Wildlife Fund to actually eradicate single-use plastics no one's talking enough about that and this province will eradicate single-use plastics in the next five years I can't touch on all the all the questions that have been posed to us as a democratic alliance some of you can come and talk to me afterwards but certainly to say that this province is green focused green economy green and new economy going forward which touches on what you're saying using innovation to make sure we have a healthy society and a healthy environment thank you Thank You Beverly sorry I just like to answer your question you pose a really good question and I just want to saying sorry I just want to say in terms of climate change we've actually got a split two things there's global climate change and then there's sort of restoration of our localized ecosystems that needs to take place and ironically in his in his violent and and terrible as it is and it is it's really really terrible I wish I have more time but but the actual cure that the job creation the economy that you're seeking is based around the restoration of the environment that there is so much that you can do and and it's sorry in in terms of land we completely agree with unutilized land in fact as part of its part of it's part of the Green Party's requirement to recover land and to restore the biomass that is present resident in the soil but you will find that there's so many questions here that we are limited to time in terms of answering them you never asked me her question I do want to answer your question and and that's all there was made and I like it so what can I do [Applause] thank you thanks Shay yeah I think the the fundamental question is who are the main polluters is it you and I or is it the capitalist monopolies now if we want to tackle shale anglo-american and these companies they are global companies number one number two the Bill of Rights protects private property which protects these monopolies in other words you can vote until you blue in the face there will be nothing happening there won't be fundamental change you can talk in your face about the just transition but as long as the wealth is in the hands or the monopolies there won't be fundamental change this can this planet is doomed so what we are saying in terms of the way forward Parliament will not deliver our salvation and therefore what we need to do we need to mobilize the working class forget about what party affiliation you are we don't care if you're a in CDA or Green Party or whatever let's stand together against the State against them and uh please let's do that let's start tomorrow tomorrow morning there is a court case where the DA is interdicting a community in Eindhoven in Delft they occupy the land that has been unoccupied for a number of years it's fully serviced but these people are being interdicted by the DA so we are saying that what we need is recording people to come tomorrow morning at nine o'clock to the High Court they are stand together against the State against those who are denying us the right to decent housing what we say in terms of housing we must stop the policy of building ghettos and apartheid structures we must integrate housing in the middle of the city all the vacant buildings the the golf courses the empty hotels should be made available for housing is my time up thank you that's been an amazing audience and I think from the ANC we are committed to a non-racial non-sexist inclusive and prosperous society we remain committed despite all the rhetoric and an unpopular ISM that easier the party that I represent is true to that we will remain committed to our people we will remain committed to our planet and will continue implementing what we need to do I think if I can deal with some of the issues in terms of the national health insurance it's the African National Congress that are possible and we are busy with piloting the implementation we're moving away from but health and commodification of private health many people were promised but our fight is a just fight to ensure that we deliver while other parties can divide us while other parties can divided along race class gender and even environmental justice the ANC remains committed to working for all our communities remains committed to dealing with the poverty and the legacies of apartheid and we committed to addressing the injustice of our parts vote for the ANC so that the NZ can continue to support our people and our and the planet thank you thank you very much folks we are we are almost over but I want to just ask you to first put your hands together to thank all the representatives that came today secondly I want to call two young people to come and stand next to me yet Inga Prasanna and really short I want you to say very very big thank you to them we would as many voices in the conversation where they're not helping us to keep to time and I should say that you would extinction rebellion [Applause] ok so now we almost done no son there's just please please no no sorry please please sir I wanna in now with giving us one provocative thought to take home to all the political parties and this is a thought from Martin Luther King speaking in 1965 he said my friends as I come to the end of my speech I want to note that in the field of psychology there is a very dominant term called mal adjusted now all of us want to live a well-adjusted life and not suffer from schizophrenia or other mental illnesses this is all Martin Luther King by the way not me however he said there are certain things in our world that are so immoral and unjust that good decent people should refuse to be well adjusted to then he went on to say I never intend to adjust myself to religious bigotry I never intend to adjust myself to racial discrimination I never intend to adjust myself to the mindless expenditure on weapons when people have no food to eat and on the economy he said the most important thing he said I never intend to adjust to economic conditions that will take necessities from the many to give luxuries to the few when millions of God's children are smothering in an airtight cage of poverty in an affluent society in a longer version of the speech he goes on to say I now call upon decent women and men around the world to come together to form a new International Association to be known as the International Association for the Advancement of creative maladjustment right this is people who are not prepared to accept the status quo my challenge to all the political parties in our country and all our leaders is that we are being delusional about the scale of change that is needed we have to recognize that business as usual is not gonna get us there and we have to recognize that we have adjusted we have adjusted to too many things inequality gender discrimination and so on and we appeal to all the political parties to develop a spirit of creative maladjustment don't add us to a broken stages for inclusion conclusion I want to end with a statement to the political parties about telling lies for telling lies I'm not speaking the truth now most South Africans and not just South Africans by the way Americans Russians everybody with his elections today they have a sense when they go to vote that they're not going to vote for the best political party they're going to vote for the least worst political party right and we want in our country to have political parties that are vibrant we've got diversity that's great different testamento democracy but we also want people who have the courage to say that actually we're not going to be able to create 5 million jobs in the next five years I don't say something that you're not going to be able to deliver and so in this context I want to end on a light note about to in Madiba passed away when my deeper passed away he arrives in heaven right some of you might know that Madiba is a Methodist right so when I arrived there in the pearly gates st. Peter says ah President Mandela what our honor it is to have you've been waiting for you come let me give you a specialized tour of heaven after a few minutes Madiba's st. Peter st. Peter why are there so many clocks crocks all over the place here so st. Peter says ah you see you don't know huh for every human being we have one o'clock and whenever they tell a lie that began moves once so Madiba was very intrigued by this and said ah this is very interesting so st. Peter says ah come come I got a special room I take you they go to this room and it's called a high-profile room so then st. Peter says you see there's mother Teresa Spock as far as we know it has never moved at all there's Madonna's clock it used to move very fast it slowed down recently and after going through a range of people Madiba says I isn't Donald Trump now one of the most famous people shouldn't he scoff Pierre so st. Peter says you know we used to have it here but right now Jesus has it in his office and he's using it as a ceiling fan okay so to all our politicians our appeal is as citizens we say to you if things are bad tell us things are bad if things are broken tell us things are broken and make us your partners has solution providers because no political party no government is going to solve the problems of our country without the active participation of civil society thank you very much thank you come on the voters will say thank you for all the political parties thank you very much we say thank you for coming I D an amazing audience we say thank you to you we have proven that we can have a debate on environment without throwing chains that we can have a debate with environment where there is not just white people in the room the way we could have a debate most community voices thank you and go well thank you go on can we have a photo of all the political parties please all right you would like to stand for a photo please all the political party do you want you