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>>>OUR BREAKING NEWS TONIGHT. THREE OFFICERS DEAD, THREE WOUNDED IN BATON ROUGE. A TOUGH DAY FOR BATON ROUGE AND FOR THE COUNTRY. HERE TO TALK ABOUT HOW TO KEEP OUR POLICE SAFE IS SHERIFF DAVID CLARK OF MILWAUKEE COUNTY, WISCONSIN. HE’S GOING TO BE SPEAKING AT THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION TOMORROW NIGHT. SHERIFF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. HORRIFIC DAY. SPOKE TO THE HEADS OF THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT AND POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE STATE POLICE DOWN THERE. THEY TOLD US HOW THEIR HEARTS WERE REELING. THEIR MESSAGE IS PEACE AND COMING TOGETHER IN THE COUNTRY. WHAT’S YOUR MESSAGE?>>YOU DON’T BELIEVE THAT FOR ONE MINUTE, DO YOU?>>THAT THEIR MESSAGE IS?>>THAT’S WHAT THEY SAID TO ME.>>OKAY. YEAH, I BELIEVE THEM.>>PROTESTS OVER THE DEATHS OF THE COPS IN BATON ROUGE?>>I DON’T KNOW THAT.>>ANY RIOTS OR PROTESTS OVER THE POLICE OFFICERS IN DALLAS, TEXAS?>>WHAT ARE YOU ASKING?>>IT’S A PRETTY SIMPLE QUESTION.>>I ASKED YOU WHAT YOUR MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE, THEIR MESSAGE IS ONE OF PEACE. WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE?>>MY MESSAGE HAS BEEN CLEAR FROM DAY ONE TWO YEARS AGO. THIS ANTI-COP SENTIMENT FROM THIS HATEFUL IDEOLOGY CALLED BLACK LIVES MATTER HAS FUELED THIS RAGE AGAINST THE AMERICAN POLICE OFFICER. I PREDICTED THIS TWO YEARS AGO.>>DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS WAS BECAUSE OF THAT?>>YES, I DO.>>AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER — >>I’VE BEEN WATCHING THIS FOR TWO YEARS. I’VE PREDICTED THIS. THIS ANTI-POLICE RHETORIC SWEEPING THE COUNTRY HAS TURNED OUT SOME HATEFUL THINGS INSIDE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NOW PLAYING THEMSELVES OUT ON THE AMERICAN POLICE OFFICER. I WANT TO KNOW WITH ALL OF THE BLACK ON BLACK VIOLENCE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, BY THE WAY, WHEN THE TRAGEDIES HAPPENED IN LOUISIANA AND MINNESOTA, YOU KNOW THAT 21 BLACK PEOPLE WERE MURDERED ACROSS THE UNITED STATES? WAS THERE ANY REPORTING ON THAT?>>BLACK OFFICER WHO WAS KILLED TODAY.>>WAS THERE ANY REPORTING ON THAT?>>SHERIFF, PLEASE. LET’S JUST KEEP THE VIBE DOWN HERE. SO I UNDERSTAND, AND, LISTEN — >>I’M LOOKING AT THREE DEAD COPS THIS WEEK AND I AM LOOKING AT FIVE LAST WEEK. YOU’RE TRYING TO TELL ME TO KEEP IT DOWN?>>CAN WE JUST PLEASE? WE CAN KEEP IT CIVIL. THE MESSAGE TO PEOPLE AT HOME, I’M SURE YOU WANT IS ONE OF CIVILITY.>>DON, I WISH YOU HAD THAT MESSAGE OF CIVILITY — >>I’M TRYING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU — >>FOR THIS HATEFUL IDEOLOGY. THESE PURVEYORS OF HATE.>>WHAT I WANT TO SAY TO YOU IS THESE PEOPLE — ARE WISCONSIN, HERE LIVE IN CLEVELAND, YOU’RE SET TO SPEAK TOMORROW. AND ALL I WANT TO DO IS HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU, I CAN’T HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU IF WE’RE BOTH TALKING AT THE SAME TIME. WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME IS THAT YOU’RE ACCUSING ME OF VIOLENCE, BY SUPPORTING A NARRATIVE THAT I’M NOT NECESSARILY IN SUPPORT OF. I DON’T SUPPORT VIOLENCE AGAINST POLICE OFFICERS OR ANYONE. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, I AM MORE THAN WILLING TO WELCOME A CONVERSATION WITH YOU, I DON’T DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT THERE’S A NARRATIVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT COULD BE HARMING POLICE OFFICERS, BUT WE DON’T KNOW RIGHT NOW, AS SOMEONE WHO WAS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, IF THAT WAS THE ACTUAL CAUSE OF IT.>>LET ME ASK YOU THIS, DO WE KNOW THAT GENERALLY THE AMERICAN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE RACIST? DO WE KNOW THIS?>>GO ON.>>I ASKED A QUESTION.>>DO I KNOW THAT IN GENERAL AMERICAN LAW ENFORCEMENT IS RA RACIST? IF YOU’RE ACCUSING THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT ACROSS THIS COUNTRY AS A WHOLE IS RACIST, THEN YOUR ASSUMPTION IS WRONG.>>THIS WHOLE ANTI-POLICE RHETORIC IS BASED ON A LIE. THERE IS NO DATA, AND YOU KNOW THIS, THERE IS NO DATA, THERE IS NO RESEARCH THAT PROVES ANY OF THAT NONSENSE. NONE.>>YOU HAVE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT DATA AND WHAT NONSENSE YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT.>>THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TREAT BLACK MALES DIFFERENT THAN WHITE MALES IN POLICING IN THESE URBAN CENTERS.>>THERE IS DATA THAT SUPPORTS THAT.>>THERE IS NOT DATA.>>THE PRESIDENT SPOKE ABOUT IT. CEDRIC ALEXANDER, WHO’S A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.>>THE PRESIDENT IS LYING ABOUT IT. HE SAID IT THE OTHER DAY WHEN HE SAID THAT BLACK MALES ARE TWO TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE SHOT BY A WHITE POLICE OFFICER AN A BLACK POLICE OFFICER. THAT IS A LIE.>>THAT IS NOT A LIE. THE RESEARCH THAT WE HAVE FROM “THE WASHINGTON POST” — >>”THE WASHINGTON POST” DEBUNKED THAT NONSENSE.>>SHERIFF, THERE’S ALSO RESEARCH — >>HE CONTINUES.>>FROM A HARVARD PROFESSOR THAT ALSO SHOWED THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE TREATED MORE AGGRESSIVELY BY POLICE OFFICERS — >>NO, YOU WHERE WRONG AND YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THAT HARVARD STUDY, I READ THE STUDY. THAT’S NOT WHAT HE SAID. HE SAID HE WAS SURPRISED TO FIND — >>HE WAS SURPRISED TO FIND THAT IN SHOOTINGS, THE MOST SEVERE IN SHOOTINGS, HE FOUND NO EVIDENCE THAT THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE. ALSO IT SHOULD BE NOTED, THAT THERE’S A STUDY OF A VERY SMALL SAMPLING OF POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, MANY DID NOT FIND IT CREDIBLE. BUT IT’S ALSO INTERESTING THAT IN THAT RESEARCH HE FOUND THAT BLACK WERE TREATED DIFFERENTLY WHEN IT CAME TO AGGRESSIVE POLICING.>>ARE WE TALKING ABOUT GENERALLY? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT POLICE OFFICERS BEING UNDER ATTACK. LET’S GO BACK TO WHEN THIS WHOLE THING STARTED IN FERGUSON. >>YOU’RE LUMPING A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS INTO ONE. >>THAT’S WHERE THIS WHOLE PHONY MOVEMENT GOT STARTED. >>YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT BLACK LIVES MATTER?>>RIGHT.>>SO YOU WOULD NEED TO SPEAK TO SOMEONE WHO IS A MEMBER OF BLACK LIVES MATTER ABOUT WHETHER THEY ARE — HAVE PERPETRATED A FRAUD ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THAT’S UP TO BLACK LIVES MATTER, I’M NEITHER A MEMBER OF BLACK LIVES MATTER, I’M NEITHER A SUPPORTER OR SOMEONE WHO DOESN’T SUPPORT THEM.>>CAN YOU SUPPORT THE ANTI-POLICE RHETORIC COMING FROM THIS HATEFUL IDEOLOGY.>>AS A JOURNALIST SILTING ON TELEVISION, I DON’T HAVE TO CONDEMN ANYTHING. IT’S OTH . >>IT’S LIKE GROUPS LIKE THE KKK, I CONDEMN IT. THERE IS NO PLACE IN AMERICAN DISCOURSE FOR THAT SORT OF VILE, VITRIOLIC HATE COMING OUT OF THAT IDEOLOGY. THIS HAS FUELED AND FANNED THE FLAMES OF THIS ANGER TOWARD THE AMERICAN POLICE OFFICER, THERE’S ONLY ONE GROUP IN AMERICA, ONE TIME, THAT TRULY CARES ABOUT THE LIVES OF BLACK PEOPLE IN THE YOU ARE BAN GHETTO, AND IT’S THE AMERICAN POLICE OFFICER, WHO GOES OUT THERE ON A DAILY BASIS, TO PUTA ATHEIR LIVES ON THE LIN TO PROTECT WHO? BLACK PEOPLE. LET’S HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BLACK ON BLACK CRIME WHICH KILLS MORE BLACK MALES, WHICH IS MORE LIKELY IN THE UNITED STATES THAN A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.>>THAT’S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. WE CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME. THERE’S AN ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO VIOLENCE. IT’S CRIME, WHITE PEOPLE TEND TO KILL WHITE PEOPLE. BLACK PEOPLE TEND TO KILL WHITE PEOPLE. THERE IS A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAN POLICE BRUTALITY. AND WE’RE NOT HAVING THAT CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW. I WANT TO BE CLEAR WITH YOU, I CONDEMN ALL VIOLENCE OF ANY TYPE. JUST FOR THE RECORD.>>IT WAS A SITUATION BETWEEN MIKE BROWN AND DARREN WILSON, WAS THAT POLICE BRUTALITY?>>WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MIKE BROWN AND DAREN WILSON. IF YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SHOWED, IT EXONERATED OFFICER CARRRCARREN DA DACAR DAREN WILSON. >>YOU’RE GOING TO SEE THAT BLACK MALES ARE OVERREPRESENTED IN TERMS OF BEING INVOLVED IN VIOLENT CRIME, THAT’S GOING TO MEAN MORE ARRESTS, MORE PEOPLE GOING TO PRISON. THIS STUFF HAS ALREADY BEEN DEBUNKED.>>SHERIFF, THERE’S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.>>ANY TIME YOU DON’T HAVE A RESPONSE TO SOMETHING I SAY — >>THE REASON I DON’T HAVE A RESPONSE IS THAT WE’RE HAVING TWO DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS. I’M ASKING THE QUESTIONS HERE, YOU’RE ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS BY ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OTHER SUBJECT THAT WE’RE NOT DISCUSSING, THAT’S NOT A CONVERSATION. >>WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE HATEFUL IDEOLOGY OF BLACK LIVES MATTER, YOU CAN’T BE A MEMBER, IT’S AN IDEOLOGY, IT’S A HATEFUL IDEOLOGY.>>I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A VERY SENSITIVE TIME FOR YOU.>>THESE INDIVIDUALS — >>AND SHERIFF, WE APPRECIATE
can I can't hear it how many people tell you that well maybe I'm a glass half-full kind of person I look at that and say it's because you believe so much in the u.s. they disappoints you man this is a moment as that's really an aberration not indicative of the character and so I hope that that will turn up the other way but a lot of that has to do with people and you're talking about the idea of diplomacy if we're only showing strength they were not using our heads we're not using our minds or common sense or the very values of America is supposed to hold dear it's very hard for people to feel as proud as they should be in this nation yeah look a hundred percent and these things are complicated messaging could be complicated and again I may get beat up for this but I don't care if their tanks there it's not something we traditionally do because we don't see ourselves as a military state but you want to show her might sure I might I just don't think it's our greatest strength no I think that's our diversity and our people and that's getting lost in this president's message and too often it's too much us versus them and instead of we and that's what has always led us to victory when we've been put to the test that's always that old saying we the people well we interesting talk about patriotism because tonight we're talking a lot about that Chris thank you for your show as always this is CNN tonight I am Laura code sitting in for Don Lemon and there's no question that what's happening on our southern border is a crisis the vast majority of Americans three-quarters in our new CNN poll agree and we're learning and seeing by the way just how bad it is tonight homeland security's own internal watchdog releasing photos of what they call dangerous overcrowding and calling on the government to do something what those photos show is heartbreaking and it's happening in America right as we speak right now this one at a Border Patrol station in McAllen Texas it seems to show mostly men fenced in in a pen but notice a little girl on a pink flowered skirt in someone's arms right behind the fence a little child with no room to run or play or to be a kid these photos at the same facility show families huddled under oil blankets so many of them lying on the concrete floor and benches there's no room for anyone else look at the children on top of their mothers more families on the bare concrete floor more foil blankets children apparently sleeping on top of their moms and a child on the left wearing only a diaper now this is a cell that's meant to hold a maximum a maximum of 41 men but more than twice that many 88 adult men are crowded together one is holding a cardboard sign up to that window and it appears to say help 40 days here bats at Fort Brown station in Brownsville Texas I mean can anybody look at those pictures and think and look at those and see that pictures from the government's own watchdog and say this is the way we want to treat people in the United States of America in just a moment I'll talk with congresswoman Nora Norma Torres who toured three border facilities in Texas and she'll tell me what she saw and what she heard from the people in detention and we've got news on a very big controversy brim with Independence Day on the horizon the story starts with a sneaker but it's about so much more than that Nike canceling is fourth of July Air Max one quick strike The Wall Street Journal reports it's because of a complaint from activist and former NFL star Colin Kaepernick who objected to Nikes use of the 13 star Betsy Ross American flag with cricketer slavery era and it's used by some today as a symbol of white supremacy now it's undeniable that our flag represents the birth of our country it was probably not a symbol of freedom for people of color who were brought to these shores in Chains that's a painful part of American history and we do a disservice to our deals we can speak the truth about our history without surrendering that flag to white supremacists are we letting hate mongers hijack our earliest American flag does it matter to you well now to a CNN exclusive our Nick Valencia spoke to a longtime border patrol agent in passo about the horrific conditions at migrant facilities an offensive online posts by other agents and what that agent said is stunning they're taking a big risk by doing this you put America needs to know they need to know the truth a Border Patrol agent who's had enough in a CNN exclusive interview the veteran agent who agreed to go on camera only if their identity was concealed expressed discussed at a closed Facebook group reportedly comprised of thousands of current and former agents ProPublica the first who exposed the group I am 10 15 or shared lewd and sexist content about latina members of Congress including Alexandria Ocasio Cortez the agent telling CNN being derogatory is part of the Border Patrol culture even hearing a supervisor joke about dead migrants was making fun of them saying what Dad what doesn't make is just another life he made a comment also regarding running over illegals and I'm like in describing the conditions inside the oh pastor detention facilities the agent compared them to a zoo the holding facility the cells they are what I will say filthy we have a maintenance and cleaning crew that cleans the general area like always but I have never seen them cleaning counters or cleaning toilets in the cells or cleaning things in the cell sometimes you go in a Cell under stress everywhere there are those in leadership of customers and Border Protection yes they say that migrants are getting basic human rights what do you say the leaders who are saying migrants are getting basic human rights what is basic human rights toilet paper water from the sink or in the SEM clothing days I remember whenever used to be a processing center we used to have special in winter we used to have these blankets on ten different aliens we use a same blanket recycle them you know I feel like you know multiple times during an interview you know you've sort of stared off in the distance and you thought about some things that you've seen I mean it seems as though there are things that you might take home with you every day like what the kids what about the kids you know they just want hope they'll want to believe in something the one you sure do you support president Trump's immigration policies president Trump you saw what somebody in chief I know this is unethical illegal or immoral well surely the question is at what cost Nick Valencia CNN El Paso Texas it's hard to see joining me now Democratic congresswoman Norma Torres of California you know she was part of a group of lawmakers who visited migrant facilities in Texas just yesterday welcome to represent of torus nice to have you with us today especially to talk about this particular issue you know you just heard a Border Patrol agent from one of the El Paso facilities you visited yesterday say a supervisor joked about dead migrants they say that they're being derogatory as part of the culture is that what you saw congresswoman absolutely Laura and thank you for the opportunity to be here with you we should be congratulating the heroic effort that this Border Patrol agent is showing by coming forward and being a witness to the criminal element that has taken over custody of the Border Patrol who's in charge I mean that is my first question when they are blatantly openly going out there in a public forum talking about hurting and sexually assaulting female members of Congress then how are we supposed to expect them to add toward single female young mothers and two-year-olds and of course you say these images are from the watchdog report they're from the actual IG not a partisan group it's worth taking a closer look at here at what's happening I mean you can actually see women who are wearing masks with their faces against a window in a juvenile holding cell you see a man praying one by the way of 71 adult males in a Cell that's meant for 41 adult females is this similar to what you saw over the notorious so we did not see overcrowding the way those pictures are being portrayed when we visited the center many of the people had already been transferred out so they were down to in one area 25 people but the conditions of seeing young children under the age of 10 in a group type setting inside a jail cell with cement floors and nothing but this aluminum sheet over them is was simply heartbreaking to see a little boy about the age of my grandson knock on the window calling our attention he was so excited to see females walk into that into that room and all we could hear him whisper was papa papa imagine how frightened that child is to have probably been separated from his Guardian from his parent as the enter and set foot in our in our country the one thing one thing that really brings me some relief is that there are many many heroic lawyers out there that are taking testimony and actually archiving all of these in justices that have happened under the custody of the United States of America and I pray to God that the international courts will get involved and file humanitarian crimes against this government against his administration that has allowed this to happen we hope that the internal courts Native America will also play a role in this as well but this report over the notorious it does find extreme overcrowding which is evident by these pictures in fact here's how Fox News's Brian Kilmeade compared that overcrowding at border facilities absolutely house family of five you have the party have 30 people over maybe you have a big party of a hundred people over and you have two and a half baths in the beginning be okay with 30 then after 100 people will be a little bit taxed maybe you got to get out to a facility can you picture 5,000 you could have the best facilities in the world but you they are so overstock comparing it to a party what's your reaction this is not a party nobody comes and fleeing circumstances that these people are fleeing to come and enjoying a party of 900 people in a space met for a hundred and fifty people that is outrageous now you voted against the 4.6 billion dollar Senate bill to send emergency funding to the border now even if the bill wasn't perfect why stop money from going these facilities because voting against this bill for me gave me a voice in the process the fact that they are denying basic humanitarian assistance to these children it is unconscionable that members of Congress thought that it was okay to negotiate away human rights of a two-year-old by giving this government a blank check to utilize this money however they please you know what I saw I saw a pantry full of full of of food potato chips soups dry soups I also saw toothbrushes what good is it to have a pantry full of supplies when those supplies are not getting to the people that needed the most thank you for looming this issue were being a part of the program Norma Torres I appreciate your time congressman please come back thank you the president is promising a 4th of July event that's a celebration of military might with jet screaming overhead and tanks on display in the Capitol but is he turning the nation's Independence Day celebration into a partisan political event ah clear is just how much it will cost and who's gonna pay for it the other big unknown is whether our nation celebration of the 4th of July will turn into a partisan political event Katelyn Collins has more president Trump's grand vision for a military parade is finally coming true at least partially it'll be like no other it'll be special and I hope a lot of people come on Thursday Trump will turn Washington's annual 4th of July celebration into a show of military might cNN has learned new details about the last-minute event which will feature tanks parked at the Lincoln Memorial a flyover from the Navy's Blue Angels and Air Force One along with the unveiling of the new marine one helicopter we're gonna have planes going overhead the best fighter jets in the world and other planes too and we're gonna have some tanks stationed outside Defense officials have long been hesitant about using the Armed Forces to advance a President's agenda and said there's no need for the u.s. to flaunt its military strength but sources say Trump has asked the Chiefs of the Armed Forces to stand by his side it's just not who we are as Americans the president is setting himself up for a clash with his critics who say he's turning the patriotic celebration into a partisan one asked Monday if his speech will reach all Americans he turned to Democrats I think I've reached most Americans what the Democrats plan is is going to destroy the country and it's going to be horrible health care today the White House went even further I wonderful this country is our troops and military our great democracy and great call to patriotism the success of this administration and opening up so many jobs for individuals what we've done for veterans there's no final form yet but America will hear the whole speech local officials say they have logistical concerns about putting military equipment in crowded tourist hotspots the DC City Council tweeting today tanks but no tanks but Trump is charging ahead we have to put them in certain areas while the public will get to watch from afar the areas closest to Trump will be reserved for VIPs whose sources say will include his political allies Trump has wanted a military parade of his own since seeing US and French troops march through the streets of Paris two years ago today presidential adviser Kellyanne Conway sparred with reporters about the details of the event do you know the fourth of July is a celebration of this country's independence are you aware of that about you to politicize it now Laura clearly the president seems dead set on going through with this event but we should note that behind the scenes officials are still scrambling to deal with it logistically military tanks were seen on train tracks in Washington today and White House officials are still working on the rundown of the event that we're told they're going to have 15,000 general admission tickets 500 VIP tickets but clearly they're going to be hammering out the details up until the 11th hour Laura Caitlin thank you joining me now former NATO supreme Allied commander General Wesley Clark welcome to the show is good to have you here general you know a lot of people are looking at this event and saying what is wrong with celebrating our military on July 4th can you explain why America has historically not displayed this military power at patriotic events well actually we do display our military power on occasion for example on Armed Forces Day or Memorial Day and we recognize on Veterans Day if the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and all of our military units hold parades to honor when soldiers leave the unit and so forth but doing this in Washington putting such a political spin on it having the military there to burnish the reputation of the president look you got to hand it to the president he's a great showboater he knows how to capture public attention and he likes it when he generates controversy like the discussion about this parade it it Stokes the fires of his supporters but the truth is he's politicizing the Armed Forces when he does it this way fourth jill has always been about it's been about barbecues and picnics and firecrackers and maybe the local fire department parades with a bunch of kids going down Main Street before they have the celebration and at night there's some fireworks but it's not a political of death it's an event that's supposed to bring the people of the country together I don't think the people of America can understand really what the damage is that President Trump is doing to American ideals when he takes actions such as this the military doesn't belong in American domestic politics it's that simple well it's supposed to be a political that's certainly the case we have reminders about being political in the military but here's counsel of the president Kellyanne Conway with the preview of the President's speech tonight OFI how wonderful this country is our troops and military our great democracy and great call to patriotism the success of this administration and opening up so many jobs for individuals what we've done for veterans there's no final form yet but America will hear the whole speech so general is the president planning on hijacking this event and going from a non partisan to a partisan political speech of course that's what it sounds like his administration did not invent getting jobs for veterans that's the first thing but you know there is some there's some successes here I was one of many who objected to the big parade that he wanted two years ago putting tanks down Constitution Avenue and so forth and and we won that battle with him he backed off that he's not doing that most of the troops are going to be at home enjoying the fourth of July with their families that's where they should be and so we've got to celebrate what we've won and and Laura it could be worse I mean we could be eating Trump hotdogs and he could be declaring that his birthday is a national holiday so I just hope the American people will we'll put this in perspective and help us keep the armed forces out of American politics well general thank you for your time always here great to hear your particular viewpoint on these issues thank you you know Nike is pulling this shoe from stores after complaints about the design using the Betsy Ross version of the flag are they right or is this political correctness gone too far I'll make my case next so only one full day to go before the nation celebrates the fourth of July the birth of the United States of America two hundred and forty three years ago but tonight Nike finds itself in a messy controversy about the holiday and it's all because of this sneaker now it's called the airmax one quick strike 4th of July featuring what sometimes is called the Betsy Ross version of the American flag from the late 18th century the flag shows 13 stars in a circle and 13 stripes signifying the original 13 colonies these seekers were supposed to be sold starting yesterday Nike had already sent them to retailers but then it's now asking stores to return those shoes to the company The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Nike decided not to sell the 4th of July seekers because it got complaints from Colin Kaepernick who has an endorsement deal with Nike now he reportedly told the company that he and others find the Betsy Ross version of the flag offensive because of its connection to the era of slavery and because it's been appropriated by some white supremacists as a new symbol of hate now Nike is saying in a statement that it pulled the shoe based on concerns that it could unintentionally offend and detract from the nation's patriotic holiday enter the backlash the Governor of Arizona canceled some tennis for the company which is building a factory near Phoenix Governor Doug Ducey saying instead of celebrating American history the week of our nation's independence Nike has apparently decided that Betsy Ross is unworthy and has bowed to the current onslaught of political correctness and historical revisionism Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell also condemning Nike I think we got a problem I hope Nike either releases these shoes or some other shoe maker picks up the flag puts it on a pair of shoes and starts selling it I'll make the first order really well the slide was created as a symbol of freedom and yet slavery obviously denied that freedom to countless Americans yes it symbolized the birth of America but the freedom it promises for a lot of us who are black and brown well that freedom is in its infancy and America's promised that equal justice for all is largely unfulfilled but this issue is not just black and white is Nikes decision an example of political correctness that's been run amuck as some have claimed or is it exactly what you want your companies and your athletes and people with platforms to do to use their social capital to move people toward progress you'll have decide for yourself but consider this white supremacists are appropriating ideals and symbols for propaganda just ask Pepe the Frog or now the okay hand sign Betsy Ross is the latest example the birth of America did begin with the taking of land from Native Americans and the taking of human beings as slaves it's ironic then that we find ourselves now asking this question are we going to allow white supremacists to take whatever symbol they want and allow them to define what it means to each of you and if we do so are we yielding to bigotry and allowing them to take what was never theirs taking a knee in social protest is an act of patriotism but when it comes to racist ideology America cannot bend its knee we've got a lot to discuss tonight and we'll do it all next make a decision to pull their shoes with the Betsy Ross flag on it has created a lot of controversy and a lot of backlash for Nike let's discuss now with former NFL player Jack brewer also mid when Charles and Matt Lewis I'll start with you Jack you know give us your perspective on this do you think that Nike was right to pull this shoe of course I mean listen people can buy what they want this is America free country but for me you know those represent 13 colonies those stars let's not forget what the definition of a colony is that means you took someone's land and so I want nothing to do with it you know as a black man in America slavery is real right we still have schools that are segregated both of my parents went to segregated schools so it's real to me and when you look at our black population we're still the sickest the poorest and the most uneducated people in America and that is our former slave population and so let's just keep it real for a little while and understand what this means it's not about Colin Kapernick I don't agree with everything Colin Kaepernick does says and how he does it but what I do know is I'm a black man and I want my kids to know what that flag means and my flag has 50 stars on it not 13 and of course a legacy of slavery we all know is quite real in this country do you agree mid win is this particular flag in this symbol one of hate to you of the actual Betsy Ross flag well I think the better question is what do white supremacists think of this flag right and I think that this flag has often been associated with white supremacists and I think that's why I applaud Nike for pulling the sneaker because at the end of the day they did not want to be associated with a symbol that was attributed to or that has to do with slavery and I think they ought to be commended for that and I think it's time in this country that we be frank and that we be honest and we discussed the fact that slavery hello was not good okay and so anything related to slavery any symbol that harkens back to the days of slavery is not a good thing and so I don't understand what this controversy is about I think Nike ought to be applauded for recognizing that this is something that is hurtful that this is something that goes back to a time that America should not be proud of and they're recognizing that they need to take a step back so we know Matt I'll get to you in a second I do want to bring you in but I have to ask you talking about being frank and you asked the question but when the better question is what two white supremacists think a part of me says well did everyone recognize the Betsy Ross flag as a symbol that white supremacists were using we know the Confederate flag very very clear Pepe the Frog very very clear swastika is very very clear the Betsy Ross flag surprised some people as being an association with white supremacy have they appropriated and we're giving them too much credit or with this already known no I don't think so you know I'm not a liberal let me put it up put up I'm a pretty conservative guy right but I know that I have a lot of conservative friends that today after I did my first hit on a different station today they all called and thanked me because they didn't see it that way and that's what this is about it's about educating this is America right we're made of all kinds of things right most of us are immigrants but some of us were slaves so I'll say it again most of us were immigrants but some of us were slaves let's not forget that fact because it does touch us a little bit different as slaves and if you're not from the slave population or the former slave population you may not see it that way because we're in our bubbles now Matt you don't see it this way you actually that night gives Asian to pull it was play what correctness that was run amok explain your position absolutely I could talk on that on this it's unpatriotic first of all by the way let me say I don't think we should let bigots hijack our symbols this has been a flag that's been around for 200 years we're about to celebrate the birth of this country our freedom our independence from Great Britain I didn't know until today that this was in any way associated with white supremacy which I condemn but I don't want to let bigots hijack our symbols now look the arguments that I've heard so far tonight against the Betsy Ross flag could be used against celebrating the 4th of July like if you if anything that happened during this horrible time when I agree slavery happened it was a thing it's very bad we shouldn't be celebrating the 4th of July we shouldn't be celebrating the death raishin of Independence we shouldn't be celebrating Thomas Jefferson or George Washington by the same law Matt I see your point but the idea here in terms of that everything cannot be attributed to one thing however the larger issue we're discussing Matt is the idea that this flag has been co-opted by some white supremacist just like other symbols that were once benign essentially have been transformed and used do you see this as an idea even though this is a recurring flyer singing on the screen right now for the KKK that was disseminated by in upstate New York just last summer and in one hand the KKK member has a confederate flag and the other a Betsy Ross flag in a local news reporter Georgia found that this flag had been used in the KKK ceremonies as well does that make it even more about political correctness or is this actually saying look it is being used in this way and we can't ignore that I feel like you too said about that song helter skelter when they said Charles Manson stole it from the Beatles we're stealing it back I don't think Bono into this is a flag this is a flag that was created 200 years ago when there were 13 colonies 13 original colonies that fought for their independence from Great Britain that created the best strongest freest country yes born with the original sin but there was a promissory note written there by Thomas Jefferson that all men are created equal we know those promissory notes by Jefferson it's kind of written a different script but mid when you've got on green like me I'll give you a word and yes because we both got the memo we do we have this memo but the memo that other people are not getting and maybe don't understand tell me your position about why do you think if this is based in part on white supremacists using this particular symbol is Nike in some ways bending and knee to white supremacy it's not just about the fact that white supremacists have co-opted this symbol it's about the fact that this country has a history that is painful that is difficult for a large segment of the people who still who are and I think that that's the most important thing here you know I've heard you know your guests just talked about you know July 4th and what that represents and freedom and equality for everybody but that was not the case that was not the case on July 4 of 17 you know what have you that just was not the case for black people and so I think that's what's missing from all of this when you have the 13 colonies you had slavery in America at the time so whether celebrate the poor excuse me are you finished my point just not everywhere but I did hear your I did hear your point Matt it was raised I want to have maybe would address that final point then I want to give you the final word jack on this issue because I do want to know if Colin Kapernick were not involved in this if his name had not been raised and this was already brewing on social media already would it have been this big of an issue I don't think so I think you it would have still got some attention just because that's the society we live in but listen Colin Kapernick is controversial for a lot of people in America right he started off his his kneeling about wearing socks depicting cops as pigs so he turned off some people right I'm we're calling I get just as pissed off when I see a black man get shot I even get more mad when I see over the last month a hundred kids shot in Chicago 50 killed in Philadelphia 30 killed in st. Louis Missouri that hits my heart to the core and so we have real issues in this country but to your guests I just want to say man we've changed a lot of the things in our country right the star-spangled banner was written right no referee to save a hireling or slave that got taken out the starts to playing a banner right we had 13 colonies which means we went and took land in 13 States from people right we changed that and nobody got 50 states we have a new flag let's be the new America that we can become let's come together as one unite as a nation fix our problems that we have here in this country and that starts with accepting the fact that we were built as a racist nation and of course I think mid wins point thank you both all of you for coming on the show today to your point the idea that America is still evolving and it's not yet achieve its aspiration thank you right back murder case a decorated Navy SEAL team leader Eddie Gallagher he has been found not guilty of premeditated murder in the death of an Isis prisoner in Iraq in 2017 I want the joy Jack's right now as a criminal defense attorney and wonderful attorney at that Joey this was a huge bombshell wasn't it the idea that he was found not guilty Wow without question it was now obviously any trial they're nuances you know if you're not in the courtroom every day perhaps you missed something you missed the other thing but in following this closely and you have seven counts of course the top count premeditated murder and then of course attempted murder as it related to snipe shooting an elderly person shooting at them a young girl and you have a number of people who worked with him under his command who came in and said you know what he did all this they testified and the two narratives were really this on the one hand you had the prosecution saying that he had run amok this was a guy who totally and completely not only was obstructing justice but was attempting you know did in fact kill this Isis person who was in that condom stabbed them and there were seven people who came in and said he did it we saw him do it of course there was that twist of course where the medic said he didn't do it I in fact engaged in a mercy killing which through the trials who have big frenzy but you had a number of witnesses lore who essentially said that he was the guy who killed this person and he was also the guy who was shooting and sniping at people and he was just a person who was out of control and needed to be stopped the narrative however for the defense and co-opting that was saying look this is an old-school soldier he's a person who these Millennials did not like and they would do anything to get rid of him including lie about what he was doing and apparently that narrative carried the day big shock the only thing of course he was convicted of was taking the picture with the dead right Isis fighter and for months you can guys are you served six months right and that yes he already served six months indeed and the fact of the matter is is that the defense even what they did was they conceded that charge so the only thing he was convict was something that defense essentially said he did this and so shocker by all means so Joey this idea that one the medic coming in saying it wasn't him it was me he had immunity he did right and so immunity means that you can testify but here's the issue on immunity when you come in and you have immunity you could say everything and you can't be prosecuted but you can't lie and so now prosecutors are determining whether or not to charge him with perjury to the extent that they're saying that's not true but you know at the end of the day seven people on that jury right five Marines two Navy personnel and they decided based upon all the facts and evidence that he was guilty of one thing he served his time he goes home they're still deliberating whether or not they couldn't take him down a rank or so but at the end of the day when you go from facing life in prison it's actually having served the two hundred and something days which amounts to you know a number of months but he faces four months he'll be out of there Joey Jackson the perfect person to break this down as always we right back but first here's a look at the brand new CNN original series the movies from the first island film to the current blockbusters of today the history of American cinema is sometimes beautiful occasionally controversial case a decorated Navy SEAL team leader Eddie Gallagher he has been found not guilty of premeditated murder in the death of an Isis prisoner in Iraq in 2017 I want those Joey Jack's right now is a criminal defense attorney and wonderful attorney at that Joey this was a huge bombshell wasn't it the idea that he was found not guilty Wow without question it was now obviously any trial there nuances you know if you're not in the courtroom every day perhaps you missed something you missed the other thing but in following this closely and you have seven counts of course the top count premeditated murder and then of course attempted murder as it related to snipe shooting an elderly person shooting at them a young girl and you have a number of people who worked with him under his command who came in and said you know what he did all this they testified and the two narratives were really this on the one hand you had the prosecution saying that he had run amuck this was a guy who totally and completely not only was obstructing job but was attempting you know did in fact kill this Isis person who was in that condom stabbed them and there were seven people who came in and said he did it we saw him do it of course there was that twist of course where the medic said he didn't do it I in fact engaged in a mercy killing which through the trial to a big frenzy but you had a number of witnesses lore who essentially said that he was the guy who killed this person and he was also the guy who was shooting and sniping at people and he was just a person who was out of control and needed to be stopped the narrative however for the defense and co-opting that was saying look this is an old-school soldier he's a person who these Millennials did not like and they would do anything to get rid of him including lie about what he was doing and apparently that narrative carried the day big shock the only thing of course he was convicted of was taking the picture with the dead right Isis fighter for months you can re serve six months right and that yes he already served six months indeed and the fact of the matter is is that the defense even what they did was they conceded that charge so the only thing he was convicted of was something that defense essentially said he did this and so shocker by all means so Joey this idea that one of the medic coming in saying it wasn't him it was me he had immunity he did right and so immunity means that you can testify but here's the issue on immunity when you come in