the Joe Rogan experience now one thing that exists now that really didn't exist when Obama was running for president is the impact of social media it's just tenfold what it used to be but with that also comes this reality that we're living in right now where there's only a few companies that are controlling the discourse in this country yeah I mean you really have essentially a Facebook Google YouTube Twitter and Facebook owns Instagram that's right and there's you know a couple other small ones but that's the bulk of our discourse yeah what concern do you have about these private companies controlling the vast majority of communication between people and social media yeah it's extremely dangerous it's extremely dangerous when you think about it and there's a few things there's gosh with Facebook and Google for that matter you know they can set their algorithms Mark Zuckerberg with Facebook and set his algorithm to control what information is coming across our newsfeed in Facebook what are the stories that we're seeing Instagram same thing with Google they can control when you punch in something what are the first stories that you're gonna see on the first page that pops up when you think about that kind of power of influence that has on the American people literally being held within the hands of a couple of people unchecked and without oversight or transparency it's incredibly dangerous let's talk about free speech there's just been news recently about Facebook banning certain individuals from having Facebook accounts because of their speech they disagree with the speech that they're they're using are the things that they're talking about ideas that they're pushing forward unchecked First Amendment rights going completely out the window and your argument is they don't apply because it's a private company right yes but they're trying to get the best of both worlds the fact that that you know they're claiming to say hey this is a free space for open communication for everyone right while at the same time going and saying actually you know what Joe I don't like what you're saying about this so we're gonna ban you and whoever your friends are from from this conversation I think that's that's a big problem it undermines it undermines our First Amendment rights when you look at privacy the privacy concerns of all the information that they're collecting in facebook from us all the information that they're collecting from us with Google and how they're monetizing that and selling or sharing that information with other people with really without our our knowledge or agreement that's the part right the the agreement that most people didn't understand that your data is a huge commodity that's right and we signed up for these things and who reads terms of service agreements have you ever read one yeah I've never read one of them I just say you okay yeah I start again through like the first two paragraphs like okay I'm gonna hope it's not ugly oh yeah nothing terrible in there no what I think back to there is a South Park episode that that is specifically about the terms and conditions and I watched it a long time ago but every time I see one of those things pop up sign in terms things I'm like oh man yeah that was Cartman right yes yeah but there's there's the thing that they're doing there's a couple things are doing but one of the things they're doing with this with your data they find out what you're interested in they find out what you're interested in engaging on yeah and for many people that's outrage so for many people it's the things that piss you off the most like if you have a real problem with Catholic priests getting away with having sex with little boys you will think that that's happening every minute of every day all across the world because it's going to be in your newsfeed constantly because they know that's what makes you engage right so your algorithm the algorithm is your your feed is going to be very different than my feed yeah because I engage on different things and you do yeah and the problem with that is even if they're not calculating if it's not on purpose they're not trying to get people outraged it's not only they're trying to ramble raus but what they are doing is they because they have an ad-supported model they gravitate towards the the outrageous because that's what people get excited about and that's what people make multiple posts and that's how they make the revenue think it's a bad ad model it's an ad model that inadvertently supports outrage yeah and it makes people think the word advice yes yeah and this the the the tribal boundaries the between the two sides yeah on these issues are more tense and you would think that discourse and the ability to freely communicate would kind of open that up and people would kind of understand each other better but it's not happening it's like I think Twitter is a garbage fire all day long it's just fire yeah like you can't post anything about anything and there's people just jumping on people and yeah it's it's a crazy thing that has happened that we gravitate towards the outrageous yeah I don't think that should be rewarded financially I think that's not if this is just what people go to organically that's one thing but when you're cultivating feeds so that least your algorithm is cultivating feeds so that people get pissed off you're making the country a shittier place yeah like you're literally like making things worse yeah yeah I mean this is one of the reasons why I think a couple of things should happen and and I think his name is Chris Hughes who co-founded Facebook with Zuckerberg saga yeah you see his article yes calling for Facebook to be broken up yes and which is crazy yeah hear about the person who founded it and he's saying this is out of control and that's the point right now is is seeing how powerful as you said guys like Mark Zuckerberg have become and and how out of control things are well some of it just doesn't make sense like here's one they just banned Alex Jones yeah not only do they ban Alex Jones but you can't talk about Alex Jones if you wrote Alex Jones might be nuts but damn is he cute if you wrote that it would you would get a message that says only you can see this message this message is stopped at the border from entering into the Facebook universe like what that's why Z you can't just like what if you want to say something funny ya can't say something funny no you could only say something if you're criticizing him right this is what they've said so they're telling you how to think which is fucking insane it is incest that's not just freeze that's not just a violation of free speech you're literally directing Spach yeah like that's insane yeah so you're you're you're not even blocking people from doing something hateful or evil you're blocking people from saying something that you disagree with that's right which is people have sent me messages that said god bless alex jones and they say yeah i q– could only see this message Facebook sends them a thing blocking that message Wow that's fucking crazy yeah like the idea that you think you can do that yeah that is nuts yeah I mean being able to ban anyone arbitrarily without any just violated Terms of Service there you go what does that mean yeah okay be specific and how come I mean they've they took up a bunch of people outright like Louis Farrakhan was one Alex Jones Paul Joseph Watson was like what did that guy ever do I mean people don't agree with him like I think what's happening is there was some serious concern that Facebook was used to influence the last election in weather against their knowledge or in a way where they were negligent about the type of filtering they use that stops people from posting propaganda and particularly stops these things like the IRA the internet research agency in Russia that literally creates thousands of profiles and pages and they'll have a black lives matter page that's just designed to fuck with cops and then they'll have a Procop page it's just designed to fuck with black lives matter all they want to do is create anger and they're doing this engineering these arguments I mean this is this is a hundred percent proven fact Rene de Resta who had been on my podcast went over the details of how it's set up and how they do it and the memes and the memes that they create like this is an organized effort that they channeled through Facebook in particular and then Instagram and a couple other social media sites you know what's interesting about Renee she worked for new knowledge right I do not think she was a director for new knowledge they this company new knowledge that the DNC has tapped as one of their I don't know disinformation campaign experts and cyber experts was the very same company that created false accounts and pretended to be Russian BOTS in order to influence a US Senate election in Alabama yeah I'd heard that right so it's something that she was not a part of but it yeah I don't I don't know her I was the director of research it says at new knowledge right and that's but that's post this happening correct I don't she sent me an email about it because I questioned her about after it happened yeah and I don't think she's full shit yeah well yeah I've never met her but I know that that company is one that is often cited as a so-called expert and was a company that was cited to try to smear my campaign as somehow being a an engine for the Russians or something like that which which to me again just points to well let's look at let's look at the ex the so-called experts that you're citing in this company new knowledge and the kinds of actions that they've been taking very same ones that they're criticizing others for doing it's a dirty world out there it is a Wild West in the sense that I mean I think there should be regulation like I mean I don't think you should be able to put child porn everywhere I don't think should be able to Doc's people but it's like where does that border stop yeah where does that regulation border stop yeah and I think it's a very good question do you think that these social media platforms whether it's Google or Twitter or whatever or Facebook do you think that they should be treated as a public utility where everyone essentially has the right to use them you have the right to use water you don't have the right to take a hose and smash your neighbors window and flood his house that's right I do I do think that they should be regulated like that and they should be subject to the very same antitrust laws that have been used to make sure that we don't have other monopolies in other industries or in other areas to to to break them up and I think that was something that that Chris used outlined in his article the furry first step that could be taken is just to say hey you've got a you've got it Facebook needs to let go of Instagram and whatsapp because that was some thought that acquisition created an even stronger monopoly that really shouldn't have been allowed to take place in the beginning and so there are there are concerns about the kind of power being you know consolidated into the hands of a very few people as well as how that's impacting any kind of competition and squashing that competition from coming up and saying hey you know you've got Facebook and then you've got this other new technical media technology they've got better privacy standards and better service for the consumer than Facebook but anytime that that tries to happen you know they're quickly squashed by companies like Facebook or Google for that port bought up or bought up exactly yeah that's that's that's the big concern said there's just not enough variety and there's also big concern that I have a big concern that there's a bunch of people that don't seem to understand the consequences of what they're calling deep platforming people it's basically censoring people taking people out of the public discussion and when when you do that and you create a bubble or you create a one party leaning institution one party leaning conglomeration of human beings you're gonna develop some real anger on the other side yeah and it does the opposite of what you want it to do what you wanted to do is make the world a better place let's take some of these angry voices out of the mix and let's make the world a better place it just makes them more anger and encourage encourage discourse encourage these kinds of conversations where you can you can engage with people who might have a different view on an issue or might have a different experience that they bring to the conversation and to do so that actually helps increase the knowledge and understanding that we have yeah I think we have to reward civil discourse as well I think we have to be kinder to each other and we have to we have to be more upset at people that are acting like shitheads online for reason like you're just you think that it's just online but it what it is is communication yeah and if you're interested in shitty communication online you're just a shitty communicator okay all this calm it being a troll and that's different thing all these different labels that people put on to make it cuter and whitewash it it's not good it's not good for anybody yeah and if people could figure out how to be less angry in their online lives and and communicate about issues I think we'd find that we meet more in the middle than we think we do I think there's also a problem that people have where they become married to their ideas and they dig their heels in and they support their ideology and they're very rigid about it yeah and that is only strengthened when you silence people yeah it's it does the opposite of what you're hoping it's gonna do it makes the world a worse place and makes look if people are saying things that you don't like you don't have to read that but if you tell people that no one can read that though they're gonna go why do you get to decide and who are you exactly are you you were a regular person how wise are you yeah how many steps ahead have you played this game that's right cuz I'm looking at this game i'm looking at civil war yeah I'm looking at worst case scenario this goes to that that goes to this this guy attacks that that guy attacks this they can't talk anymore you got people fighting in the streets makes that happens exactly that's a human characteristics right that's right and that's that is where this path ends up this path that we're on of this this hyper-partisanship know this extreme divisive nnessee thurr you're on my tribe or you're on the other tribe and the arrows are pointed at each other without any willingness to once again just let's just have a conversation let me hear where you're coming from here where i'm coming from we can disagree without being disagreeable we can even have a heated conversation and a debate and I would say what you're saying is patriotic yeah this is patriotic and I think it's unpatriotic to be partisan yeah because I think we're supposed to be on a team together yeah this is supposed to be Team America rightly what we do actly we're fighting over nonsense and missile mischaracterizing people's positions just to suit our own ideas that's right it's it's foolish it's it's foolish and as you said it's extremely dangerous and the American people are the ones who who ultimately lose in all of this [Applause]
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so great to see you. Congratulations on
the return of "Roseanne." -Thank you very much. -This must be beyond
your wildest dreams. Even the fact that it came
together in the first place. -It was a gift.
And I'm treating it as such. I'm very grateful
to be back there, as opposed to last time,
when I was "rehearsing" and… It was remarkable
how it came together. I was on Sara Gilbert's
talk show, "The Talk." -Yes. -In case there's any confusion. And we did a little
"Roseanne"-ish sketch at the top of it. And during the show, she asked
me if I would be interested in a reunion show
or something like that. A clip show. I don't know.
I said, yeah, in a heartbeat. And she called Roseanne,
said I was interested. And three weeks later,
we had a deal with the American
Broadcasting Company… -That's crazy.
-…also known as ABC. -You've always been a formal — You always speak about networks
very formally. -The DuMont Network. -[ Laughs ] It's funny. Obviously you and
Roseanne have this chemistry. It's incredibly well-honed. I remember this year
at the Golden Globes you guys came out
and presented together. And I was rehearsing
earlier in the day. And for people who don't know, they just have extras
do the lines. So, I was watching, and it was
like a three-line exchange between you and Roseanne. But I watched two extras do it, and I was like,
"This isn't funny at all." And then you and Roseanne
came out and said the exact same thing,
and it just crushed. -Well, they gave me a punch line
that didn't work. -[ Laughs ] Oh, yeah? -And she saved my bacon.
-Oh, well, that's — I think that when you have
a partner in comedy like that, there's a lot of bacon saving.
-Oh, thank you. -And you brought back
the whole cast. You even brought back
both Beckys. Was that a fun thing to have to
figure out the math of that? -Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah,
I couldn't recognize them apart. Which one is which? Yeah, they fit her in. She may even be coming back,
I don't know, doing something. But it's just so bizarre to walk onto that set
for the first time. Everything is reproduced
exactly. And I got chills. It's not déjàà vu,
but it's something spookier. I think Laurie Metcalf
calls it a wormhole. -A wormhole. That makes sense.
So, you said reproduced. It's not the original set?
-No. They had to get stuff off of
eBay, I believe, that was ours. -Oh, really? [ Cheers and applause ] -The rumor
that I've been spreading is that the Smithsonian
Institution owns the couch and they wouldn't
rent it back to us cheaply. -Right.
-But that's not true. -It's a good rumor.
-Print the legend. Yeah, absolutely.
Print the legend. -Cheap bastards. I want to tell you
about the government! Let me tell you about the
government! Aw, they're bad! -Well, the show, of course, is
a lot now about the government, not as much as I feel like
it's maybe getting ink for. Roseanne is a Trump supporter. Laurie is a Hillary —
a left-wing supporter. Did you know
going into the season what the stories
were going to be about? -I didn't care.
-Yeah, that — -Which is pretty much
the way I went through the last nine years of the show. -Well.
-I don't care! -The other thing
that I think that helps is Dan doesn't seem to care.
-No. -It's basically — he's along
for the ride, as well. -He's out in the garage
drinking quite a bit of beer. -Yeah. But he looks very svelte.
-Thank you. -New Dan looks very svelte.
You've done him a great favor. -Light beer.
when I started hosting marijuana was illegal and you can smoke cigarettes any place you wanted I believe he did the greatest monologue ever and I think it was because of his political sensibility and the worst thing about losing this job I'm no longer cover NBC I'd have to sign up for Obamacare after 22 years as the host of The Tonight Show Jay Leno said goodbye to late night though he was no favorite of TV critics Leno held the top ratings spot for over two decades after succeeding the legendary Johnny Carson recent TV sat down with longtime Leno producer Dave Berg author of the book behind the curtain an insider's look at Jay Leno's Tonight Show to discuss lenez legacy of elevating politics and late-night talk Johnny Carson who of course is a legend the greatest there ever was he set the bar very high for all of us however Johnnie emphasized entertainers on his show I'm not saying he didn't have politico's from time to time he did but the emphasis was on entertainers well the strategy that we used to kind of expand and maybe get better ratings was to move beyond entertainers and I think that this is what distinguished Jay not only in the guests that he chose I mean basically we had every major presidential candidate from 1996 on but also in his monologue which he expanded it from Johnnie's with seven minutes and Jay expanded his to 14 minutes and added a lot of political humor he set the pace I believe he did the greatest monologue ever and I think it was because of his political Sensibility you talked about having presidential candidates the you guys were actually the first to get a sitting president when you had President Obama on can you talk a little bit about the story of how that happened five years before he became president I was watching him speak at the Democratic convention in Boston and that was in 2004 Kerry was the the Democratic candidate that year and and I had never heard of this unknown political Illinois and I thought oh my gosh this guy is the best speak I have seen since Ronald Reagan I'm not talking politics here I'm just talking about the ability to communicate and I was very impressed and the next day I started calling on his people to express an interest in getting him on the show now we did finally land him on the show as as an author the the audacity of hope' when he was a presidential candidate so when he did finally agree to appear as a president he had already been on he had already had a trust yet and it kind of a chemistry with Jay but nevertheless when he decided to appear on the show on his 59th day in office that was amazing because no other president had ever appeared on a late-night show it was actually considered unpresidential that was a huge moment and you know looking back at that why do you think it took so long for that to happen I mean do you think that politicians are kind of afraid of going on platforms like that because they're afraid of being made fun of I do and as I always told the political people actually we're much easier I'm not saying Jay didn't ask tough questions he did he certainly did but we weren't Meet the Press and Jays attitude about guests is he believed that that it was a family environment at the Tonight Show and and he actually acted as though guests were like guests in his house so he always said I'm not going to throw you a curve ball you don't have to worry I'm I will ask you a tough question I'll ask you this I'll ask you that but he never never asked gotcha questions so we were actually easier than Meet the Press it never seemed like he was really accepted among you know the comedic elite and here he is now he's going to get the Mark Twain humor award at the Kennedy Center this fall what do you think is so misunderstood about his success I think that the critics the Television Critics basically early on starting when Jay took over from Johnny Carson early on they said this guy doesn't have the chops he doesn't have what Johnny Carson has and by the way he's not cut from the same fabric as David Letterman it is so much more edgy and they are the ones that basically set the tone for for how J was perceived among if I may use the word among elitist not among the folks who live in the flyover States those wonderful flyover States but among the elitist who felt that J's humor was much too milquetoast actually I think J's approach was was exactly what it should be what you want to do is you want to tell jokes that appeal to a broad band of viewers we weren't narrowcasting we were trying to reach a wide group of people and I think J did that very successfully and I think the Mark Twain award is justification finally J gets the credit that he deserves and a lot of people you know would always try to tie a political label to him but you know because we have more of a libertarian audience do you think kind of that independent streak that he was more working-class he worked really hard I know you talked a lot about his work ethic in the book do you think that kind of came through the fact that he was just a little bit more independent and that's maybe why he broke through to such a larger audience I definitely do and again I think you could see it in his monologue jokes I think that resonated with people I really do the fact is in the last you know two three years none of the other late night hosts were doing Obama jokes well Jay felt well J happens to like President Obama but his feeling was you got to go after who's ever in power and he alone was doing jokes about Obama for a long time finally when Obamacare you know became the disaster that it was at least for a while the other host started following soon do you think that his willingness cuz I see it now with Kimmel yeah and a little bit with Fallon and Letterman they've kind of followed suit but do you think that that is kind of one of his main legacies as far as you know being an equal opportunity offender oh my gosh yes I mean I really think that distinguishes him and and yes if I understand your question properly there doesn't seem to be a healthy skepticism of those in power and that concerns me because late night is so influential especially among younger people I think yeah and you know there's also kind of this I guess you can call it a PC movement going on where you've seen a lot of comedians lately having to you know apologize for jokes do you how do you think that affects the material right or did it really come into play when he was crafting his monologue that was a big problem and I have to say that among the the comedy writers and comedians whether they were liberal a conservative they hate PC they do not like political correctness because that restricts them in their job and that was very damaging and it hurt a lot of jokes we had to sort of water down some of the jokes everybody did and and I think everyone suffers as a result you're you're missing SATA you're missing good satire when you look at who's out there now you have Kimmel you have Letterman as stepping down you have Colbert coming in now and now you have Jimmy Fallon who do you see kind of emerging as as that standard bearer of being the top dog I actually am a Jimmy Fallon guy and I like Jimmy Kimmel they're both really good I watched them both but Jimmy Fallon when he took over for Jay honestly I did not want to like him I didn't like the fact that Jay was you know being let go when he was doing so well but when I started watching a Fallon on a regular basis he won me over and I like him because he continues with that really positive upbeat attitude that that Jay represented and he has brought kind of a new perspective he has redefined late-night on his own terms now it's about comedy bits it's about performance the guests get involved they want to get involved Jimmy gets involved because he's so talented and he has done very well I would go so far as to call him the king of late-night he's going to be the guy to be that's my feeling