If Bloomberg is Nominee, Do Dems Stay Home?


Let’s go next to our caller from the two six,
seven area code. Who’s calling today from two six seven uh, David? Yes. Hello. Hi, my name is Greg. I’m calling from
bucks County in Pennsylvania. I’m a big fan of your show. Uh, 11, my friend, a lot of
my friends on the left on are Bernie supporters as I am. And uh, but I’m getting very concerned,
uh, about the idea of a Bloomberg candidacy and I’m concerned that it will depress, um,
it will depress votes and that we will end up with Trump. Again. I understand the arguments
that he’s kind of, he’s a version of Trump, but I also lived in New York for most of my
life and I lived through Bloomberg, the Bloomberg, uh, ownership. And I’m interested in what
you have to say, um, to Bernie supporters and people on the left who are getting, um,
disappointed about the idea of a Bloomberg possibility of Bloomberg candidacy and the
idea that they might not vote. They might sit this out and I’d love to hear what you
say. Let’s say about all that. I think it’s D I actually, I posted to my Twitter
page a few days ago, something like a, I’m getting emails from some Democrats saying,
if Bloomberg’s the nominee, they won’t vote. Where are you guys on this? And I got like
6,000 replies from a lot of Democrats saying I won’t vote if it’s Bloomberg. And I totally
understand that. I mean in Bloomberg, um, you have a guy who represents a lot of different
things. You have a guy who represents a possible sort of bailout for the of possible bailout
for the establishment that may be seeing Joe Biden tank and are unclear about Buddha judge
and Amy Klobuchar doesn’t really have support if Bloomberg’s really polling 15 nationally,
maybe he’s the guy to get behind. But then you have a voter turnout question which you’re
bringing up. And the question is, if Bloomberg is the democratic nominee, given that Bloomberg
was a Republican for so long, given that Bloomberg’s politics on a lot of social issues based on
videos that have come out recently seem to not be particularly enlightened and progressive
to put it lightly, what is it going to do to turn out and how will he fare against Donald
Trump? My answer is I don’t know. And the reason
I say that is I get emails about polling that says, Hey, you know what? In face to face
match-ups, Bloomberg does really well against Trump. And then I get other polling that says,
Hey, you know, what if Bloomberg’s the nominee that we’ll keep the largest number of democratic
voters home. So I understand the idea that Bloomberg as the nominee might depress turnout.
There are so many conflicting data points that I just don’t have an answer about that
right now. And all I can really say is if you support the policies of Bernie instead
of Bloomberg, just go out and support Bernie now and then if there’s a different nominee,
evaluate it and make a decision as to what’s best at that point. Yeah, absolutely. I think it’s incredibly
difficult. There’s not even enough information yet tonight it’s going to be a whole different
spin on this. Um, because of the debates and of course the mentioning media, MSNBC in particular
has been, uh, ridiculous. This is, this is in their anti, uh, in their anti Bernie, uh,
screeds. So, uh, yeah, it’s going to be real. And one last question. Uh, if you had to vote
right now and you had to choose between Trump and Bloomberg, how would you vote? Yeah, I, I would vote for Bloomberg over Trump.
And I know there’s a lot of people saying there’s no difference. It’s just a richer
version of Trump with a lot of the same ideas that the reasons why I would vote for Bloomberg
over Trump are number one, the Supreme court choices Bloomberg would make would not be
as bad as the ones Trump would make. Number two, Bloomberg actually has both sort of diplomatic
and, uh, political experience that Trump lacks, which is the source of a lot of Donald Trump’s
missteps. That would be number two. And then number three, although it would be no great
party if Bloomberg were president, Bloomberg would restore some of the respect from world
leaders that we have lost under Trump, although certainly, certainly not all. So for me, I
wouldn’t be cheering about voting for Bloomberg over Trump, but I would definitely vote Bloomberg
over Trump. Yeah. Thank David. I really appreciate your opinion and I’m a great fan of the show. Thanks so much.

Election 2016: Ohio Politics


It’s an excellent question, and the thing that is truly new this time is the intensity of white middle class populism, especially the younger adults
in that group and there’s a Bernie Sanders liberal version of it and a
donald Trump conservative version of it but the as i said earlier income
inequality has grown so much that ordinary working people, especially the
whites in that group are extremely unhappy with the current situation and
they put pressure on both parties and interestingly the establishment
candidate in the democratic party seems to have prevailed to have resisted those
pressures absorb some of that message without transforming her message whereas the republicans have not been
able to the leadership to hang on and the populist candid from the outside and
their party seems on track to become the nominee and that’s very interesting and
even if you loses the sort of angry unhappy lower-middle-class has
re-emerged as a major shaping force in american politics including within both
of the two major parties and so I think that’ll be with us for a long time. The nineteen sixties and seventies were
very polarizing years for the country as a whole. Before that, the culture of the
country including its political culture was much more moderate especially during
the nineteen fifties in the era of Dwight Eisenhower and so in that earlier
period, Ohio fit perfectly, Didn’t mean to reproduce necessarily a
president but more moderate presidents of both moderate conservative or
moderate liberal were appealing to Ohio once. Politics in ohio is sometimes like
like into a shoving match at the 50 yard line and other words the two parties are
fairly close together on many issues and it’s a culture that rewards people who
are centrist other parts of the country the Sun Belt California New York are
places where be either strongly liberal or strongly conservative helps you more
and so at the moment for an Ohio politician such as Governor Kasich to
be elected president it’s a bit of a struggle because he comes out of this
moderate midwestern political culture and yet when he travels to other parts
of the country not everyone thinks in the same way. The problem with a brokered convention in
the modern television era is that it’s supposed to present to the country and
appealing vision of the party and image of the party is ready to be in charge
and if there’s a brokered convention it could be very disorderly and conflict
ridden and it would make for interesting television one way but the overall
message would be probably not ready for prime time players, and the advent of
television really matters here other words until there was television,
conventions could do a lot people there could argue alot and most people in the
audience radio audience would not necessarily know that. Now that we have
this visual medium it puts the convention right in people’s homes it
would be very hard to manage a brokered a contested convention in a way that was
reassuring to voters that Republicans are already. If the world becomes more violent and disorderly between now and
November that will tend to drive swing voters towards hillary Clinton has
emerged as the likely nominee and the reason I say that is because she is an
enormously experienced person especially in foreign policy by having the
secretary of state but she’s also part of a team two-person team, Hillary and
Bill, and so in a way what they offer is a third term right and a third term a
very experienced people and we only have one third term in American history third
presidential term and that was the 11 by Franklin Roosevelt in 1940 and that year
was very similar in some ways to this year the republicans had an outsider
came in they went to Wilkie who shook up a party with a populist message and to
the surprise of many people became the nominee the problems they’re here
another new york–business person was that he had no foreign policy experience,
and as German armies advanced in 1940 and then as the German Air Force began
bombing England it became clear that war in Europe was going to get bigger and
messy her and that drove independent voters swing voters toward Franklin
Roosevelt because the idea of having a true novice as commander-in-chief has a
January 24 1941 just didn’t make sense to swing voters baby boomers are a very large group
about a quarter of the population in excess of 75 million people and varied
but in general they tend to have grown up in america that had more economic
opportunities for that and I even have pensions that younger people begin
paying as boomers were tired of contributing to the Social Security
trust fund that sort of thing so the view from millennium is that in some
ways baby boomers have had an easier and Millennials to be fair they are working
but they’re often underemployed or underpaid not paid enough given what
things cost nowadays to get started on marrying buying a house having a family
even what they drink in other words very inexpensive beer is back in again and
it’s not just because our populace in terms of their style it’s because I am
viewers too expensive the same might be said of razor blades
razor blades are way better than they used to be in terms of the quality the
blaze there also way more expensive so I know plenty of millennial college
students who where beer is not just because they think it looks cool but it
saves money they don’t have to buy razor place and the bike so to see if there
was a lot of them right bikes instead of drive cars and they quietly explained to
me that the cost of the new car insurance and so forth and way more than
it used to be so there is this twenty something in terms of thirtysomething
cohort that they’re employed yes but often they borrowed a lot to go to
college they don’t make enough yet to do what they would like to do in terms of
joining the middle class and having kids and so on and they’re frustrated by that
and so there are that there’s a certain that a tension between Millennials and
Boomer and boomers throw up their hands in the sense that from their point of
view Millennials are starting everything too late they settle down too late they
buy a home too late so in terms of trying to get their families going and
build economic security they moved too slowly arrested development that I that they’re sort of perpetual war young
people as opposed to adults and once you understand the economic conditions
facing Millennials that lifestyle makes more sense