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. .>>>DONALD TRUMP’S FORMER PRESS>>>DONALD TRUMP’S FORMER PRESS SECRETARY SEAN SPICER IS TRYING SECRETARY SEAN SPICER IS TRYING TO STEP BACK INTO THE SPOTLINE. TO STEP BACK INTO THE SPOTLINE. HE IS KNOWN FOR DEFENDING HE IS KNOWN FOR DEFENDING TRUMP’S CONSPIRACY THEORIES. TRUMP’S CONSPIRACY THEORIES.>>THIS WAS THE LARGEST AUDIENCE>>THIS WAS THE LARGEST AUDIENCE TO EVER WITNESS AN INAUGURATION TO EVER WITNESS AN INAUGURATION PERIOD. PERIOD. BOTH IN PERSON AND AROUND THE BOTH IN PERSON AND AROUND THE GLOBE. GLOBE.>>YOU WANT TO OVERWHELMING WENT>>YOU WANT TO OVERWHELMING WENT THROUGH 360 ELECTORAL VOTES, THE THROUGH 360 ELECTORAL VOTES, THE MOST SINCE ENREPUBLICAN SINCE MOST SINCE ENREPUBLICAN SINCE REAGAN. REAGAN. FIRST OF ALL IT’S NOT A TRAVEL FIRST OF ALL IT’S NOT A TRAVEL BAN. BAN. HE IS USING THE WORDS THE MEDIA HE IS USING THE WORDS THE MEDIA IS USING. IS USING. WE TALKED ABOUT WIRETAPPING. WE TALKED ABOUT WIRETAPPING. HE MEANT UNDER SURVEILLANCE. HE MEANT UNDER SURVEILLANCE.>>WOW, SOME OF THOSE WORDS>>WOW, SOME OF THOSE WORDS DON’T MEAN WHAT YOU THOUGHT THEY DON’T MEAN WHAT YOU THOUGHT THEY DID. DID. IS INSURANCE THAT PERFORMANCE, IS INSURANCE THAT PERFORMANCE, HE HAS KEPT A PRETTY LOW HE HAS KEPT A PRETTY LOW PROFILE, GONE ON FOX NEWS A PROFILE, GONE ON FOX NEWS A COUPLE TIMES, NOW HE’S GONE FOR COUPLE TIMES, NOW HE’S GONE FOR AN EARLY CASTOFF ON TRUMP’S AN EARLY CASTOFF ON TRUMP’S REALITY POST TO THE CAST OF REALITY POST TO THE CAST OF DANCING WITH THE STARS. DANCING WITH THE STARS. YOU SHOULD NOTE. YOU SHOULD NOTE. HE DID TURN DOWN THE SAME OFFER HE DID TURN DOWN THE SAME OFFER TWO YEARS AGO SAYING HE WOULD BE TWO YEARS AGO SAYING HE WOULD BE TO TOO BUSY, THEY SAY IT TO TOO BUSY, THEY SAY IT WHITEWASHES AND HE IS NOT THE WHITEWASHES AND HE IS NOT THE FIRST TRUMP SUPPORTER TO HIT THE FIRST TRUMP SUPPORTER TO HIT THE DANCE FLOOR. DANCE FLOOR.>>NEW YORK IS WHERE I WANT TO>>NEW YORK IS WHERE I WANT TO STAY. STAY. I GET TO SMELL THE HEY. I GET TO SMELL THE HEY. ♪ AS LONG AS ARE YOU THERE. ♪ AS LONG AS ARE YOU THERE. SO EXAMINE. SO EXAMINE.>>♪ I CAN SEE BARELY.>>♪ I CAN SEE BARELY. ♪ ♪>>YOU KNOW, SEAN SPICER DID A

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LATER WE’RE JOINED BY THE IOWA TEACHER MAKING HEADLINES FOR TEACHER MAKING HEADLINES FOR CONFRONTING HER REPUBLICAN CONFRONTING HER REPUBLICAN SENATOR ABOUT GUN CONTROL. SENATOR ABOUT GUN CONTROL. WE BEGIN TONIGHT WITH DONALD WE BEGIN TONIGHT WITH DONALD TRUMP LASHING OUT INSISTING THAT TRUMP LASHING OUT INSISTING THAT WARNINGS OF A POTENTIAL WARNINGS OF A POTENTIAL RECESSION ARE PART OF SOME SORT RECESSION ARE PART OF SOME SORT OF CONSPIRACY TO HURT HIM OF CONSPIRACY TO HURT HIM PERSONALLY. PERSONALLY. NOW, WE KNOW TRUMP STRUGGLES TO NOW, WE KNOW TRUMP STRUGGLES TO TELL THE TRUTH. TELL THE TRUTH. THIS STORY SHOWS HOW HE MAY THIS STORY SHOWS HOW HE MAY ASSUME OTHERS ARE AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME OTHERS ARE AUTOMATICALLY TAKING THE SAME TACK. TAKING THE SAME TACK. HE TREATS EVERYTHING AS A KIND HE TREATS EVERYTHING AS A KIND OF GAME OR CON RATHER THAN OF GAME OR CON RATHER THAN ACKNOWLEDGING SOME OBJECTIVE ACKNOWLEDGING SOME OBJECTIVE REALITY. REALITY. AND THAT HELPS UNDERSTAND THESE AND THAT HELPS UNDERSTAND THESE HEADLINES. HEADLINES. TRUMP NOW AGITATED ABOUT TRUMP NOW AGITATED ABOUT ANYTHING GOING ON WHEN HE ANYTHING GOING ON WHEN HE DISCUSSES THE ECONOMY AND DARKLY DISCUSSES THE ECONOMY AND DARKLY SUGGESTING WARNINGS ABOUT A SUGGESTING WARNINGS ABOUT A POSSIBLE RECESSION STEM FROM POSSIBLE RECESSION STEM FROM CRITICS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY WHAT CRITICS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY WHAT HE SEES AS HIS CALLING CARD FOR HE SEES AS HIS CALLING CARD FOR REELECTION, ACCORDING TO “THE REELECTION, ACCORDING TO “THE NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTING. NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTING. SO WHO ARE THESE CRITICS? SO WHO ARE THESE CRITICS? IT’S A CONSPIRACY THEORY SO, IT’S A CONSPIRACY THEORY SO, REMEMBER, IT DOESN’T HAVE TO REMEMBER, IT DOESN’T HAVE TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. DONALD TRUMP BLAMING PEOPLE HE DONALD TRUMP BLAMING PEOPLE HE HIRED. HIRED. LIKE HIS OWN HAND PICKED FED LIKE HIS OWN HAND PICKED FED CHAIR, INTENTIONALLY ACTING CHAIR, INTENTIONALLY ACTING AGAINST HIM. AGAINST HIM. AND U.S. ALLIES. AND U.S. ALLIES. A WEIRD ARGUMENT SINCE MANY HAVE A WEIRD ARGUMENT SINCE MANY HAVE THEIR FORTUNATES PINNED TO OUR THEIR FORTUNATES PINNED TO OUR ECONOMY. ECONOMY. AND THERE IS THE IDEA THE MEDIA AND THERE IS THE IDEA THE MEDIA IS TRYING TO CREATE A RECESSION. IS TRYING TO CREATE A RECESSION. ALL OF THIS IS THE BACKDROP FOR ALL OF THIS IS THE BACKDROP FOR THESE COMMENTS. THESE COMMENTS.>>ARE YOU DOING ANY PLANNING OR>>ARE YOU DOING ANY PLANNING OR ARE YOU GOING TO BE DIRECTING ARE YOU GOING TO BE DIRECTING YOUR ADMINISTRATION TO PLAN FOR YOUR ADMINISTRATION TO PLAN FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF A RECESSION? THE POSSIBILITY OF A RECESSION?>>I DON’T SEE A RECESSION.>>I DON’T SEE A RECESSION.>>BUT A LOT OF ECONOMISTS SAY>>BUT A LOT OF ECONOMISTS SAY YOU SHOULD BE REPAIRING FOR A YOU SHOULD BE REPAIRING FOR A RECESSION. RECESSION. NO PRESIDENT IS IMMUNE TO A NO PRESIDENT IS IMMUNE TO A RECESSION AND THAT IS NOW — FOR RECESSION AND THAT IS NOW — FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO BE DOING THE GOVERNMENT TO BE DOING SOMETHING — SOMETHING –>>HONESTLY I’M PREPARED FOR>>HONESTLY I’M PREPARED FOR EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. I DON’T THINK WE’RE HAVING A I DON’T THINK WE’RE HAVING A RECESSION. RECESSION. WE’RE DOING TREMENDOUSLY WELL. WE’RE DOING TREMENDOUSLY WELL. MOST ECONOMISTS, PHIL, SAY WE’RE MOST ECONOMISTS, PHIL, SAY WE’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A RECESSION. NOT GOING TO HAVE A RECESSION.>>NO RECESSION, NO PLANNING FOR>>NO RECESSION, NO PLANNING FOR RECESSION, DON’T EVEN TALK ABOUT RECESSION, DON’T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT. IT. YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS TODAY, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS TODAY, THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN LIFE THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN LIFE THAT ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN THAT ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN IF YOU DO TALK AND THINK ABOUT IF YOU DO TALK AND THINK ABOUT THEM TOO MUCH. THEM TOO MUCH. LIKE GOING TO A KITCHEN, GOING LIKE GOING TO A KITCHEN, GOING TO MAYBE YOUR KITCHEN TO GET A TO MAYBE YOUR KITCHEN TO GET A SNACK RIGHT NOW. SNACK RIGHT NOW. I BET IF YOU KEEP THINKING ABOUT I BET IF YOU KEEP THINKING ABOUT IT AND IMAGINING IT OR TALKING IT AND IMAGINING IT OR TALKING ABOUT IT, YOU MIGHT FIND ABOUT IT, YOU MIGHT FIND YOURSELF GETTING UP, LETTING THE YOURSELF GETTING UP, LETTING THE NEWSCAST PLAY IN THE BACKGROUND, NEWSCAST PLAY IN THE BACKGROUND, AND GRABBING THAT SNACK THAT AND GRABBING THAT SNACK THAT YOU’VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT. YOU’VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT. BUT A MACROECONOMIC RECESSION IS BUT A MACROECONOMIC RECESSION IS NOT LIKE GETTING A SNACK. NOT LIKE GETTING A SNACK. NO SINGLE PERSON INCREASES ITS NO SINGLE PERSON INCREASES ITS LIKELIHOOD BY TALKING ABOUT IT. LIKELIHOOD BY TALKING ABOUT IT. NOT EVEN THE PRESIDENT. NOT EVEN THE PRESIDENT. SO AVOIDING TALKING ABOUT IT IN SO AVOIDING TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE HOPES THAT IT WILL GO AWAY, THE HOPES THAT IT WILL GO AWAY, AND THEN AVOIDING ANY PLANNING AND THEN AVOIDING ANY PLANNING ABOUT IT, THAT’S INEFFECTIVE AND ABOUT IT, THAT’S INEFFECTIVE AND PRETTY SHORT SIGHTED FOR THE PRETTY SHORT SIGHTED FOR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT. U.S. GOVERNMENT. AS FOR TRUMP’S CLAIM THAT YOU AS FOR TRUMP’S CLAIM THAT YOU JUST HEARD THERE, THAT JUST HEARD THERE, THAT ECONOMISTS DON’T EXPECT A ECONOMISTS DON’T EXPECT A RECESSION? RECESSION? WELL, ONE OUT OF FOUR DON’T. WELL, ONE OUT OF FOUR DON’T. THE OTHER 74% OF ECONOMISTS ARE THE OTHER 74% OF ECONOMISTS ARE NOW EXPECTING A RECESSION BY THE NOW EXPECTING A RECESSION BY THE END OF 2021 IN A NEW SURVEY OUT END OF 2021 IN A NEW SURVEY OUT TODAY. TODAY. TRUMP ALSO IN DENIAL ABOUT OTHER TRUMP ALSO IN DENIAL ABOUT OTHER DATA, THIS TIME A FOX NEWS POLL DATA, THIS TIME A FOX NEWS POLL THAT SHOWED HIM TRAILING HIS THAT SHOWED HIM TRAILING HIS CHALLENGERS. CHALLENGERS.>>FOX HAS CHANGED, AND MY WORST>>FOX HAS CHANGED, AND MY WORST POLLS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FROM FOX. POLLS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FROM FOX. THERE’S SOMETHING GOING ON AT THERE’S SOMETHING GOING ON AT FOX, I’LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, FOX, I’LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, AND I’M NOT HAPPY WITH IT. AND I’M NOT HAPPY WITH IT.>>THE FOX POLL, THEY HAVE YOU>>THE FOX POLL, THEY HAVE YOU UNDER WARREN — UNDER WARREN –>>I DON’T BELIEVE IT.>>I DON’T BELIEVE IT. I DON’T BELIEVE IT. I DON’T BELIEVE IT.>>OKAY, HE DOESN’T BELIEVE IT.>>OKAY, HE DOESN’T BELIEVE IT. YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW DONALD TRUMP BEST DESCRIBE HIM DONALD TRUMP BEST DESCRIBE HIM AS A CON MAN. AS A CON MAN. THAT INCLUDES EVERYONE RANGING THAT INCLUDES EVERYONE RANGING FROM THE CURRENTLY INCARCERATED FROM THE CURRENTLY INCARCERATED FORMER LAWYER, MICHAEL COHEN, TO FORMER LAWYER, MICHAEL COHEN, TO HIS FORMER REALITY SHOW HIS FORMER REALITY SHOW COLLEAGUE WHICH HE BROUGHT COLLEAGUE WHICH HE BROUGHT FAMOUSLY TO THE WHITE HOUSE, FAMOUSLY TO THE WHITE HOUSE, OMAROSA, TO HIS FORMER OMAROSA, TO HIS FORMER COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR ANTHONY COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI WITH MORE ON TRUMP’S SCARAMUCCI WITH MORE ON TRUMP’S DEFEAT. DEFEAT. I HAVE MORE ON THAT SHORTLY. I HAVE MORE ON THAT SHORTLY. HE’S DENYING HIS OWN TEAMMATES. HE’S DENYING HIS OWN TEAMMATES. HE’S USED TO MAKING EVERYTHING HE’S USED TO MAKING EVERYTHING UP. UP. WHEN YOU SEE IT TAKEN TOGETHER, WHEN YOU SEE IT TAKEN TOGETHER, HE MAY NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT HE MAY NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE, THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE, INCLUDING IN HIS OWN GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING IN HIS OWN GOVERNMENT, WHO ACTUALLY WORK OFF THE WHO ACTUALLY WORK OFF THE EVIDENCE. EVIDENCE. JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING LOOKS BAD JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING LOOKS BAD FOR HIM DOESN’T AMOEBA IT’SMEAN FOR HIM DOESN’T AMOEBA IT’SMEAN A FAKE. A FAKE. JUST BECAUSE IT LOOKS GOOD FOR JUST BECAUSE IT LOOKS GOOD FOR HIM DOESN’T MEAN IT’S TRUE. HIM DOESN’T MEAN IT’S TRUE. TAKE THAT ALLEGEDLY LARGE UNION TAKE THAT ALLEGEDLY LARGE UNION CROWD AT TRUMP’S SPEECH IN CROWD AT TRUMP’S SPEECH IN PENNSYLVANIA. PENNSYLVANIA. IT LOOKED GOOD, IT WAS TOUTED. IT LOOKED GOOD, IT WAS TOUTED. NEW REPORTS SHOWING THOSE NEW REPORTS SHOWING THOSE WORKERS WERE EFFECTIVELY PAID TO WORKERS WERE EFFECTIVELY PAID TO BE THERE. BE THERE. THEY HAD TO GO TO THE SPEECH OR THEY HAD TO GO TO THE SPEECH OR THEY WOULD HAVE LOST PART OF THEY WOULD HAVE LOST PART OF THEIR PAYCHECK, WHICH IS THEIR PAYCHECK, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AN ECHO OF THE WAY ACTUALLY AN ECHO OF THE WAY TRUMP BUILT HIS VERY FIRST CROWD TRUMP BUILT HIS VERY FIRST CROWD AT TRUMP TOWER FOR THE CAMPAIGN, AT TRUMP TOWER FOR THE CAMPAIGN, PAYING ACTORS TO CHEER AND PAYING ACTORS TO CHEER AND IMPERSONATE SUPPORTERS. IMPERSONATE SUPPORTERS.>>>NOW, LET’S BE CLEAR.>>>NOW, LET’S BE CLEAR. PAYING ACTORS AT THAT FIRST PAYING ACTORS AT THAT FIRST RALLY WAS NOT A LONG-TERM PLAN. RALLY WAS NOT A LONG-TERM PLAN. IT WAS A CLASSIC FAKE IT TILL IT WAS A CLASSIC FAKE IT TILL YOU MAKE IT. YOU MAKE IT. AND TRUMP DID MAKE IT FOR A AND TRUMP DID MAKE IT FOR A WHILE. WHILE. THERE WERE BIG CROWDS THAT THERE WERE BIG CROWDS THAT OBVIOUSLY WERE NOT PAID. OBVIOUSLY WERE NOT PAID. THERE WAS AN ELECTORAL COLLEGE THERE WAS AN ELECTORAL COLLEGE VICTORY EVEN THOUGH HE DREW LESS VICTORY EVEN THOUGH HE DREW LESS VOTES THAN CLINTON. VOTES THAN CLINTON. NOW TRUMP DENIES FACTUAL BAD NOW TRUMP DENIES FACTUAL BAD NEWS IS AND LEANS INTO FAKING NEWS IS AND LEANS INTO FAKING GOOD NEWS. GOOD NEWS. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER TIME IS THE QUESTION IS WHETHER TIME IS RUNNING OUT ON THIS STRATEGY AND RUNNING OUT ON THIS STRATEGY AND HOW A RECESSION COULD UPEND WHAT HOW A RECESSION COULD UPEND WHAT LOOKS TO BE HIS PRECARIOUS LOOKS TO BE HIS PRECARIOUS POLITICAL FOOTING. POLITICAL FOOTING. I’M JOINED TONIGHT BY DANIELLE I’M JOINED TONIGHT BY DANIELLE MOODY MILLS HOST OF SIRIUS XM MOODY MILLS HOST OF SIRIUS XM SHOW. SHOW. EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF NPR’S EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF NPR’S LATINO USA, AND RICK STING L, LATINO USA, AND RICK STING L, MANAGING EDITOR OF TIME MANAGING EDITOR OF TIME MAGAZINE. MAGAZINE. NICE TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE IN NEW NICE TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE IN NEW YORK TOGETHER ON A SUMMER NIGHT. YORK TOGETHER ON A SUMMER NIGHT.>>IT’S GREAT TO BE HERE.>>IT’S GREAT TO BE HERE.>>WONDERFUL.>>WONDERFUL.>>IT IS A PARTY.>>IT IS A PARTY. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE WAY WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE WAY DONALD TRUMP IS COPING? DONALD TRUMP IS COPING?>>HE’S COPING LIKE THE>>HE’S COPING LIKE THE COMPULSIVE LIAR THAT HE IS, COMPULSIVE LIAR THAT HE IS, WHICH IS DENY, DENY, DENY, WHICH IS DENY, DENY, DENY, ADVERTISE TORT, DISTORT, ADVERTISE TORT, DISTORT, DISTORT. DISTORT. THAT’S WHAT HE DOES. THAT’S WHAT HE DOES. SO HE SETS IT UP SO IF SOMETHING SO HE SETS IT UP SO IF SOMETHING DOES GO WRONG WITH THE ECONOMY, DOES GO WRONG WITH THE ECONOMY, IF WE DO GO INTO A RECESSION, IF WE DO GO INTO A RECESSION, HE’S GOING TO HAVE BLAMED CHINA. HE’S GOING TO HAVE BLAMED CHINA. HE WILL HAVE BLAMED HIS HE WILL HAVE BLAMED HIS HAND-PICKED FEDERAL RESERVE HAND-PICKED FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN. CHAIRMAN. IT WILL BE EVERYONE ELSE’S FAULT IT WILL BE EVERYONE ELSE’S FAULT BUT DONALD TRUMP’S. BUT DONALD TRUMP’S. THIS IS WHAT HE DID WITH THE THIS IS WHAT HE DID WITH THE ELECTION IN 2016. ELECTION IN 2016. HE TOLD US THAT THE ELECTION WAS HE TOLD US THAT THE ELECTION WAS GOING TO BE RIGGED IF HE DIDN’T GOING TO BE RIGGED IF HE DIDN’T WIN. WIN. HE SAID THAT THERE WERE MILLIONS HE SAID THAT THERE WERE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE VOTING THAT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE VOTING THAT WERE NOT CITIZENS OF THE UNITED WERE NOT CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES, SO HE WAS LITERALLY STATES, SO HE WAS LITERALLY SETTING UP THE STAGE SO THAT IF, SETTING UP THE STAGE SO THAT IF, IN FACT, HE FAILED, THAT IT WAS IN FACT, HE FAILED, THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT EVERYTHING GOING TO BE ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT ELSE OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP IS ACTUALLY A DONALD TRUMP IS ACTUALLY A FAILURE. FAILURE.>>YOU MENTION THAT WHOLE>>YOU MENTION THAT WHOLE ATTEMPT TO NOT ONLY UNDERMINE ATTEMPT TO NOT ONLY UNDERMINE THE ECONOMIC REALITY, BUT THE THE ECONOMIC REALITY, BUT THE ACTUAL VOTING. ACTUAL VOTING. HE WAS BACK AT THAT. HE WAS BACK AT THAT. TAKE A LOOK. TAKE A LOOK.>>YOU HAVE A LOT OF VOTER>>YOU HAVE A LOT OF VOTER FRAUD. FRAUD. MANY, MANY PEOPLE VOTED THAT MANY, MANY PEOPLE VOTED THAT SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN VOTED. SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN VOTED. SOME PEOPLE VOTED MANY TIMES. SOME PEOPLE VOTED MANY TIMES. WHAT I’M SAYING IS WE NEED VOTER WHAT I’M SAYING IS WE NEED VOTER IDENTIFICATION. IDENTIFICATION. WE NEED VOTER I.D. WE NEED VOTER I.D.>>NOW, QUICK FACT CHECK BECAUSE>>NOW, QUICK FACT CHECK BECAUSE WE DON’T PLAY THAT STUFF WITHOUT WE DON’T PLAY THAT STUFF WITHOUT CONTEXT. CONTEXT. WE’LL SHOW YOU HERE. WE’LL SHOW YOU HERE. THE ACTUAL PERSON WHO RUNS THE THE ACTUAL PERSON WHO RUNS THE FEDERAL ELECTION COMMITTEE CHAIR FEDERAL ELECTION COMMITTEE CHAIR SAYS ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE SAYS ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER. WHATSOEVER. AND WE KNOW THAT. AND WE KNOW THAT. SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO SEE THIS SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO SEE THIS AND THIS PERIOD WHERE DONALD AND THIS PERIOD WHERE DONALD TRUMP IS SORT OF — AS FAR AS TRUMP IS SORT OF — AS FAR AS HE’S CONCERNED, HE’S POST HE’S CONCERNED, HE’S POST MUELLER. MUELLER. HE’S UNBRIDLED IN A CERTAIN WAY. HE’S UNBRIDLED IN A CERTAIN WAY. AND WHAT WE’RE SEEING IN THESE AND WHAT WE’RE SEEING IN THESE SORT OF MONTHS IS ANTI-REALITY SORT OF MONTHS IS ANTI-REALITY OR ANTI-MINORITY IN THE WAY HE’S OR ANTI-MINORITY IN THE WAY HE’S BEEN ORGANIZING POLITICALLY. BEEN ORGANIZING POLITICALLY.>>AND ALSO THE IDEA THAT WE SET>>AND ALSO THE IDEA THAT WE SET UP A COMPLETE AND TOTAL UP A COMPLETE AND TOTAL GASLIGHT, RIGHT? GASLIGHT, RIGHT? ONE OF THE PEOPLE — ONE OF THE ONE OF THE PEOPLE — ONE OF THE SHOOTERS, HIS MANIFESTO IN EL SHOOTERS, HIS MANIFESTO IN EL PASO SAID, INVASION, INVASION, PASO SAID, INVASION, INVASION, INVASION OVER AND OVER AGAIN. INVASION OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO DONALD TRUMP FEEDS THIS SO DONALD TRUMP FEEDS THIS NARRATIVE. NARRATIVE. AND HE’S TELLING PEOPLE, THEY’RE AND HE’S TELLING PEOPLE, THEY’RE COMING TO VOTE ILLEGALLY. COMING TO VOTE ILLEGALLY. SO WHEN WE SEE LINES WRAPPED SO WHEN WE SEE LINES WRAPPED AROUND POLLING STATIONS OF BLACK AROUND POLLING STATIONS OF BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE, OH, THEY MUST AND BROWN PEOPLE, OH, THEY MUST BE UP TO SOMETHING NEFARIOUS, BE UP TO SOMETHING NEFARIOUS, RIGHT? RIGHT? AND SO IT’S THIS IDEA THAT AS AND SO IT’S THIS IDEA THAT AS LONG AS HE CAN SET THE STAGE LONG AS HE CAN SET THE STAGE LIKE HE DID AT SHELL, THE LIKE HE DID AT SHELL, THE PICTURE LOOKS GOOD. PICTURE LOOKS GOOD. WE THEN ARE LEFT ON THE DEFENSE WE THEN ARE LEFT ON THE DEFENSE TO TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT TO TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THE PICTURE IS A LIE, BUT THE THE PICTURE IS A LIE, BUT THE PICTURE IS ALREADY SNAPPED. PICTURE IS ALREADY SNAPPED.>>SO WHAT’S REALLY CRAZY –>>SO WHAT’S REALLY CRAZY — BECAUSE I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BECAUSE I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE UNION THING AS BIT ABOUT THE UNION THING AS WELL AS THIS NOTION THAT PEOPLE WELL AS THIS NOTION THAT PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO ARE NOT BORN IN THIS LIKE ME WHO ARE NOT BORN IN THIS COUNTRY AND WHO MAY BE NOT HERE COUNTRY AND WHO MAY BE NOT HERE WITH PAPERS, OR WITH A GREEN WITH PAPERS, OR WITH A GREEN CARD, WOULD BE RUSHING TO GO CARD, WOULD BE RUSHING TO GO VOTE. VOTE. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IF YOU TALK YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IF YOU TALK TO ANY IMMIGRANT RIGHT NOW, WHAT TO ANY IMMIGRANT RIGHT NOW, WHAT THEY’RE NOT THINKING ABOUT IS THEY’RE NOT THINKING ABOUT IS OUTWARDLY DOING ANYTHING THAT OUTWARDLY DOING ANYTHING THAT COULD BE PERCEIVED TO BE IN ANY COULD BE PERCEIVED TO BE IN ANY WAY ILLEGAL. WAY ILLEGAL. SO THERE’S JUST THIS NOTION — SO THERE’S JUST THIS NOTION — AGAIN, HE HAS PAINTED US NOW AS AGAIN, HE HAS PAINTED US NOW AS IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE COMING HERE IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE COMING HERE CROSSING ILLEGALLY, THAT WE’RE CROSSING ILLEGALLY, THAT WE’RE TAKING OVER, AND NOW WE’RE GOING TAKING OVER, AND NOW WE’RE GOING TO TAKE OVER THE POLLS. TO TAKE OVER THE POLLS. AND THE POLLING BOOTH. AND THE POLLING BOOTH. SO NOW WE’RE GOING TO BE SHOT SO NOW WE’RE GOING TO BE SHOT BECAUSE WE’RE ATTEMPTING TO VOTE BECAUSE WE’RE ATTEMPTING TO VOTE AND THEY’RE GOING TO SEE US AS AND THEY’RE GOING TO SEE US AS INVADERS. INVADERS. AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT’S AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT’S REALLY CRAZY, ARI, TALKING ABOUT REALLY CRAZY, ARI, TALKING ABOUT THE UNION WORKERS WHO WERE PAID THE UNION WORKERS WHO WERE PAID TO SHOW UP, THIS WAS LIKE — TO SHOW UP, THIS WAS LIKE — WHEN I WAS GROWING UP AND WE WHEN I WAS GROWING UP AND WE WOULD GO TO MEXICO, THIS IS WHAT WOULD GO TO MEXICO, THIS IS WHAT WE HEARD WAS HAPPENING DURING WE HEARD WAS HAPPENING DURING THE — WHICH WAS IN POWER FOR 70 THE — WHICH WAS IN POWER FOR 70 SOMETHING YEARS IN MEXICO. SOMETHING YEARS IN MEXICO. IT WAS LIKE AN AUTOCRATIC IT WAS LIKE AN AUTOCRATIC CORRUPT RE JEAN. CORRUPT RE JEAN. WE WOULD HEAR, NO, WHAT THEY DO WE WOULD HEAR, NO, WHAT THEY DO IS PAY ALL THE PEOPLE TO COME IS PAY ALL THE PEOPLE TO COME OUT. OUT. I GREW UP HEARING THIS. I GREW UP HEARING THIS. AND JUST THINKING, LIKE, THAT AND JUST THINKING, LIKE, THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN THE UNITED WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN THE UNITED STATES. STATES. AND AT THIS POINT WHAT WE KNOW AND AT THIS POINT WHAT WE KNOW NOW IS THAT THOSE WORKERS NOW IS THAT THOSE WORKERS BASICALLY HAD TO SHOW UP IN BASICALLY HAD TO SHOW UP IN ORDER TO GET PAID TO MAKE THEIR ORDER TO GET PAID TO MAKE THEIR BILLS WHETHER OR NOT THEY LIKED BILLS WHETHER OR NOT THEY LIKED TRUMP OR NOT. TRUMP OR NOT. WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR COUNTRY WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR COUNTRY THAT SOMEHOW THIS IS LIKE — AND THAT SOMEHOW THIS IS LIKE — AND IT’S OKAY, YOU KNOW. IT’S OKAY, YOU KNOW.>>YOU SAY THAT AND YOU SAY,>>YOU SAY THAT AND YOU SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, CAN IT HAPPEN WELL, YOU KNOW, CAN IT HAPPEN HERE? HERE? WHICH IS AN OLD ECHO ON A NUMBER WHICH IS AN OLD ECHO ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT OF LEVELS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT WE DEAL WITH, LARGE AND WHAT WE DEAL WITH, LARGE AND SMALL. SMALL. I WANT TO READ FROM THIS I WANT TO READ FROM THIS REPORTING BECAUSE THIS IS NOT REPORTING BECAUSE THIS IS NOT NORMAL. NORMAL. THIS SHOULD NOT BECOME A PART OF THIS SHOULD NOT BECOME A PART OF OUR CIVIC AND POLITICAL LIFE. OUR CIVIC AND POLITICAL LIFE. HEADLINE, SHELL WORKERS WOULD HEADLINE, SHELL WORKERS WOULD HAVE MISSED PAY IF THEY HAD HAVE MISSED PAY IF THEY HAD MISSED TRUMP SPEECH. MISSED TRUMP SPEECH. ONE WORKER SAID THEY DIDN’T WANT ONE WORKER SAID THEY DIDN’T WANT TO COME BUT THOUGHT IT WOULD TO COME BUT THOUGHT IT WOULD LOOK BAD TO MISS THIS DAY OF LOOK BAD TO MISS THIS DAY OF WORK AND FULL PAY. WORK AND FULL PAY. DOZENS TRIED TO LEAVE EARLY DOZENS TRIED TO LEAVE EARLY BEFORE HE FINISHED THE 3:00 P.M. BEFORE HE FINISHED THE 3:00 P.M. APPROACH. APPROACH. THEY WERE TOLD SECRET SERVICE THEY WERE TOLD SECRET SERVICE WOULDN’T LET THEM OUT OF THE WOULDN’T LET THEM OUT OF THE WAREHOUSE UNTIL TRUMP HAD LEFT WAREHOUSE UNTIL TRUMP HAD LEFT THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY.>>YIKES.>>YIKES. YIKES. YIKES. I DON’T KNOW, BECAUSE TO ME THE I DON’T KNOW, BECAUSE TO ME THE BICKER QUESTION IS THE GAME BICKER QUESTION IS THE GAME THAT’S BEING PLAYED WITH OUR THAT’S BEING PLAYED WITH OUR DEMOCRACY. DEMOCRACY.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>THE GAME THAT’S BEING PLAYED>>THE GAME THAT’S BEING PLAYED WITH OUR DEMOCRACY. WITH OUR DEMOCRACY. AND JUST KIND OF LIKE THE AND JUST KIND OF LIKE THE REPORTING ON IT, THE REPORTING ON IT, THE NORMALIZATION OF IT WHICH WE’RE NORMALIZATION OF IT WHICH WE’RE CONSTANTLY SEEING, GUYS, THIS IS CONSTANTLY SEEING, GUYS, THIS IS NOT GOING TO LEAD US ANYPLACE NOT GOING TO LEAD US ANYPLACE POSITIVE ON ELECTION NIGHT. POSITIVE ON ELECTION NIGHT. JUST NOT GOING TO LEAD US TO JUST NOT GOING TO LEAD US TO ANYPLACE POSITIVE. ANYPLACE POSITIVE.>>IT’S A LITTLE LIKE THE OLD>>IT’S A LITTLE LIKE THE OLD SOVIET UNION WHERE YOU HAD TO SOVIET UNION WHERE YOU HAD TO SHOW UP WHEN THE LEADER OF THE SHOW UP WHEN THE LEADER OF THE SOVIET UNION WAS THERE OR YOU SOVIET UNION WAS THERE OR YOU WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN PAID. WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN PAID. THE THEME OF EVERYTHING — I’M THE THEME OF EVERYTHING — I’M TRYING TO UNITE EVERYTHING THAT TRYING TO UNITE EVERYTHING THAT WE’VE BEEN DISCUSSING, ARI. WE’VE BEEN DISCUSSING, ARI. THE THEME IS DATA, AND THE DATA THE THEME IS DATA, AND THE DATA THAT IS IGNORED BY PRESIDENT THAT IS IGNORED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP. TRUMP. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A RECESSION, WHAT POSSIBILITY OF A RECESSION, WHAT IS A RECESSION? IS A RECESSION? A RECESSION IS TWO CONSECUTIVE A RECESSION IS TWO CONSECUTIVE QUARTERS OF KROTING ECONOMY. QUARTERS OF KROTING ECONOMY. WE SAW THAT IN GERMANY WHICH IS WE SAW THAT IN GERMANY WHICH IS A MUCH HEALTHIER ECONOMY. A MUCH HEALTHIER ECONOMY. WE SAW FACTORY STARTS AT A WE SAW FACTORY STARTS AT A THREE-YEAR LOW. THREE-YEAR LOW. CONSUMER SPENDING PURCHASING CONSUMER SPENDING PURCHASING POWER AT A THREE-YEAR LOW. POWER AT A THREE-YEAR LOW. s ECONOMISTS DON’T PUT A FINGER s ECONOMISTS DON’T PUT A FINGER IN THE WIND, MAYBE IT’S GOING TO IN THE WIND, MAYBE IT’S GOING TO BE A RECESSION, MAYBE IT’S NOT. BE A RECESSION, MAYBE IT’S NOT. THEY’RE LOOKING AT DATA, WHAT THEY’RE LOOKING AT DATA, WHAT DONALD TRUMP IGNORES. DONALD TRUMP IGNORES. HIS PHILOSOPHY WITH DATA, THE HIS PHILOSOPHY WITH DATA, THE CHICO MARKS DATA. CHICO MARKS DATA. WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE, ME WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE, ME OR YOUR LYING EYES? OR YOUR LYING EYES? [ LAUGHTER ] [ LAUGHTER ]>>THE MARX BROTHERS?>>THE MARX BROTHERS?>>WHAT HE DOES, LIKE WHAT>>WHAT HE DOES, LIKE WHAT AUTOCRATS DO, THEY SAY IGNORE AUTOCRATS DO, THEY SAY IGNORE THE DATA, IGNORE EMPIRICAL THE DATA, IGNORE EMPIRICAL REALITY, PAY ATTENTION TO ME. REALITY, PAY ATTENTION TO ME. DON’T PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. DON’T PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. THAT’S WHAT HE’S DOING OVERS AND THAT’S WHAT HE’S DOING OVERS AND OVER. OVER.>>WHAT IS FOX NEWS GOING TO DO>>WHAT IS FOX NEWS GOING TO DO NOW? NOW? I MEAN, HE’S TAKING ON FOX NEWS. I MEAN, HE’S TAKING ON FOX NEWS. SO IS — FOX NEWS, THE SHOE IS SO IS — FOX NEWS, THE SHOE IS GOING TO BE REVERSED RIGHT NOW. GOING TO BE REVERSED RIGHT NOW. HE’S STARTING TO CRITICIZE FOX HE’S STARTING TO CRITICIZE FOX NEWS. NEWS. ARE THEY GOING TO DO A PRIMETIME ARE THEY GOING TO DO A PRIMETIME SPECIAL THAT’S LIKE, THE SPECIAL THAT’S LIKE, THE AMERICAN ECONOMY, GROWING AND AMERICAN ECONOMY, GROWING AND GROWING, JUST BECAUSE — GROWING, JUST BECAUSE –>>THAT’S — BUT THAT’S EXACTLY>>THAT’S — BUT THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT ALL OF THE ANCHORS THERE WHAT ALL OF THE ANCHORS THERE HAVE BEEN DOING. HAVE BEEN DOING. THEY’RE TELLING THE AMERICAN THEY’RE TELLING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT IT IS — I MEAN, I PEOPLE THAT IT IS — I MEAN, I TRY NOT TO, BUT THEY TELL THE TRY NOT TO, BUT THEY TELL THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT EVERYTHING AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT EVERYTHING IS OKAY, THE ECONOMY IS STRONG, IS OKAY, THE ECONOMY IS STRONG, IT’S THE MEDIA WHO IS AT FAULT. IT’S THE MEDIA WHO IS AT FAULT. IT’S THE LIBERAL MEDIA THAT IS IT’S THE LIBERAL MEDIA THAT IS TRYING TO MAKE THE ECONOMY WEAK TRYING TO MAKE THE ECONOMY WEAK SO THAT DONALD TRUMP DOESN’T WIN SO THAT DONALD TRUMP DOESN’T WIN REELECTION. REELECTION. AS IF A WEAK ECONOMY WOULD BE AS IF A WEAK ECONOMY WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. GOOD FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. NO. NO. BUT IT’S THIS IDEA THAT THEY BUT IT’S THIS IDEA THAT THEY JUST CONTINUE TO REVERBERATE JUST CONTINUE TO REVERBERATE THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND IT’S LIKE THEY ARE IN THIS IT’S LIKE THEY ARE IN THIS CLOSED LOOP. CLOSED LOOP.>>TO PICK UP ON RICHARD’S POINT>>TO PICK UP ON RICHARD’S POINT THAT CONNECTS WITH WHAT YOU’RE THAT CONNECTS WITH WHAT YOU’RE SAYING, THERE IS, ON THE ONE SAYING, THERE IS, ON THE ONE HAND, DATA AND HOW MUCH CAN YOU HAND, DATA AND HOW MUCH CAN YOU FIGHT THE NUMBERS AND THE FACTS FIGHT THE NUMBERS AND THE FACTS AND THE EVIDENCE. AND THE EVIDENCE. AND THEN THERE ARE THESE BUBBLE AND THEN THERE ARE THESE BUBBLE EVENTS. EVENTS. I MEAN, GEORGE SOROS WHO KNOWS I MEAN, GEORGE SOROS WHO KNOWS HIS WAY AROUND THE MARKETS HIS WAY AROUND THE MARKETS TALKED ABOUT THE FACT BUBBLES DO TALKED ABOUT THE FACT BUBBLES DO EXIST, AND A VERY POWERFUL EXIST, AND A VERY POWERFUL AMPLIFIED CON MAN CAN CONTRIBUTE AMPLIFIED CON MAN CAN CONTRIBUTE AS THE RATING AGENCIES CAN. AS THE RATING AGENCIES CAN. BUT THEY POP WHEN THERE ARE BUT THEY POP WHEN THERE ARE REALITY-INDUCING EVENTS. REALITY-INDUCING EVENTS. THAT IS WHY THE RECESSION BEYOND THAT IS WHY THE RECESSION BEYOND THE POLITICAL REASONS SCARES THE POLITICAL REASONS SCARES TRUMP BECAUSE YOU CAN’T BE A CON TRUMP BECAUSE YOU CAN’T BE A CON MAN IF YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TO MAN IF YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TO TRICK PEOPLE. TRICK PEOPLE. AND IT’S MUCH HARDER TO TRICK AND IT’S MUCH HARDER TO TRICK PEOPLE ABOUT, SAY, THE PEOPLE ABOUT, SAY, THE TEMPERATURE IN THIS ROOM, RIGHT, TEMPERATURE IN THIS ROOM, RIGHT, THAN IT IS ABOUT SOMETHING GOING THAN IT IS ABOUT SOMETHING GOING ON OVER THERE BECAUSE THERE ARE ON OVER THERE BECAUSE THERE ARE LIMITS TO THAT. LIMITS TO THAT. AND SO IT IS INTERESTING WHEN AND SO IT IS INTERESTING WHEN YOU SEE HIS OBSESSION WITH YOU SEE HIS OBSESSION WITH BRINGING ON PEOPLE WHO ARE BRINGING ON PEOPLE WHO ARE EFFECTIVELY — I DON’T MEAN TO EFFECTIVELY — I DON’T MEAN TO REDUCE THEM TO ONLY THIS, BUT AT REDUCE THEM TO ONLY THIS, BUT AT LEAST AS A MINIMUM ARE REALLY LEAST AS A MINIMUM ARE REALLY GOOD AT TELEVISION. GOOD AT TELEVISION. SO LARRY KUDLOW WHO WE ARE ABOUT SO LARRY KUDLOW WHO WE ARE ABOUT TO HEAR FROM INVOLVED IN THE TO HEAR FROM INVOLVED IN THE ECONOMICS, WHO HAS BEEN ON THIS ECONOMICS, WHO HAS BEEN ON THIS SHOW, WHO I THINK KNOWS SHOW, WHO I THINK KNOWS ECONOMICS AND IS GOOD ON ECONOMICS AND IS GOOD ON TELEVISION, BUT ALSO HAS A TRACK TELEVISION, BUT ALSO HAS A TRACK RECORD BOTH IN AND OUT OF RECORD BOTH IN AND OUT OF GOVERNMENT OF BOOSTERING THE GOVERNMENT OF BOOSTERING THE ECONOMY REGARDLESS OF THE DATA ECONOMY REGARDLESS OF THE DATA AND THE RECESSION, WHICH WORKED AND THE RECESSION, WHICH WORKED FOR HIM. FOR HIM. AND HE WAS CALLED OUT ON THIS A AND HE WAS CALLED OUT ON THIS A LAEL LAEL LITTLE BIT HERE. LITTLE BIT HERE. HE CURRENTLY WORKS FOR TRUMP. HE CURRENTLY WORKS FOR TRUMP. TAKE A LOOK. TAKE A LOOK.>>I TELL YOU WHAT, I SURE DON’T>>I TELL YOU WHAT, I SURE DON’T SEE A RECESSION. SEE A RECESSION. WE’RE DOING PRETTY DARN WELL IN WE’RE DOING PRETTY DARN WELL IN MY JUDGMENT. MY JUDGMENT. LET’S NOT BE AFRAID OF OPTIMISM. LET’S NOT BE AFRAID OF OPTIMISM. LET’S NOT BE AFRAID OF OPTIMISM. LET’S NOT BE AFRAID OF OPTIMISM.>>BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU ACTUALLY>>BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU ACTUALLY SAID THAT IN 2007 RIGHT BEFORE SAID THAT IN 2007 RIGHT BEFORE THE SECOND WORST DOWNTURN IN THE SECOND WORST DOWNTURN IN AMERICAN HISTORY. AMERICAN HISTORY. THIS IS WHAT YOU WROTE. THIS IS WHAT YOU WROTE. THERE’S NO RECESSION COMING. THERE’S NO RECESSION COMING. THIS IS IN DECEMBER OF ’07. THIS IS IN DECEMBER OF ’07. THE PESSIMISTAS WERE WRONG. THE PESSIMISTAS WERE WRONG.>>I HAVE TO ASK YOU.>>I HAVE TO ASK YOU. WERE THE PESSIMISTAS WRONG? WERE THE PESSIMISTAS WRONG? NO. NO. TRUMP CLEARLY SAYS WHO DO I WANT TRUMP CLEARLY SAYS WHO DO I WANT IN THIS ECONOMIC ROLE? IN THIS ECONOMIC ROLE? AT LEAST SOMEONE WHO CAN GO ON AT LEAST SOMEONE WHO CAN GO ON TV AND SMOOTH THIS ALL OUT. TV AND SMOOTH THIS ALL OUT.>>WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR BUT>>WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITSELF. FEAR ITSELF. THAT’S WHAT MR. KUDLOW IS THAT’S WHAT MR. KUDLOW IS SAYING. SAYING. OF COURSE, CONSUMER CONFIDENCE OF COURSE, CONSUMER CONFIDENCE IS PART OF THE ECONOMY AND THERE IS PART OF THE ECONOMY AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BOOSTING IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BOOSTING THE ECONOMY TO TRY TO INSTILL THE ECONOMY TO TRY TO INSTILL MORE CONSUMER CONFIDENCE. MORE CONSUMER CONFIDENCE. BUT LET’S PULL BACK FOR A BUT LET’S PULL BACK FOR A SECOND, ARI. SECOND, ARI. WE’RE IN THE 8th — THERE’S BEEN WE’RE IN THE 8th — THERE’S BEEN A TEN-YEAR ECONOMIC EXPANSION. A TEN-YEAR ECONOMIC EXPANSION. EIGHT YEARS OF THAT UNDER EIGHT YEARS OF THAT UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA. PRESIDENT OBAMA. CAN THAT CONTINUE FOREVER? CAN THAT CONTINUE FOREVER? I GUESS IT COULD, BUT ALL I GUESS IT COULD, BUT ALL EXPANSIONS ALWAYS COME TO AN EXPANSIONS ALWAYS COME TO AN END. END. THE MUSIC BEGINS TO STOP. THE MUSIC BEGINS TO STOP. SO THAT’S WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING SO THAT’S WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING NOW. NOW. NOBODY IS ROOTING FOR IT. NOBODY IS ROOTING FOR IT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE DATA BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE DATA I WAS TALKING ABOUT, CHINA IS I WAS TALKING ABOUT, CHINA IS SLOWING DOWN, GERMANY IS SLOWING SLOWING DOWN, GERMANY IS SLOWING DOWN, THE U.K. IS SLOWING DOWN, DOWN, THE U.K. IS SLOWING DOWN, THIS IS A GLOBAL PHENOMENON. THIS IS A GLOBAL PHENOMENON. NOT JUST A U.S. PHENOMENON. NOT JUST A U.S. PHENOMENON. IT’S BENEFITED PEOPLE A LONG IT’S BENEFITED PEOPLE A LONG TIME. TIME.>>I’M ALMOST OUT OF TIME.>>I’M ALMOST OUT OF TIME. I’LL CLOSE WITH A ONE WORD I’LL CLOSE WITH A ONE WORD ANSWER WHEN IT COMES TO THE ANSWER WHEN IT COMES TO THE ECONOMY AND FUTURE OF AMERICAN ECONOMY AND FUTURE OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY SI DEMOCRACY SI DEMOCRACY. DEMOCRACY. ONE WORD EACH. ONE WORD EACH. ARE YOU A PESSIMIST OR OPTIMIST? ARE YOU A PESSIMIST OR OPTIMIST?>>PESSIMISTA.>>PESSIMISTA.>>I’M AN IMMIGRANT.>>I’M AN IMMIGRANT. IF THE ECONOMY TURNS BAD HE’S IF THE ECONOMY TURNS BAD HE’S GOING TO COME AFTER PEOPLE LIKE GOING TO COME AFTER PEOPLE LIKE ME IN REELECTION. ME IN REELECTION.>>SO YOU’RE A PESSIMISTA.>>SO YOU’RE A PESSIMISTA.>>I TRY TO BE AN OPTIMISTA>>I TRY TO BE AN OPTIMISTA EVERY DAY. EVERY DAY.>>YOU PRONOUNCE IT BETTER THAN>>YOU PRONOUNCE IT BETTER THAN ME AND LARRY KUDLOW. ME AND LARRY KUDLOW.>>I’M A PESSIMISTA.>>I’M A PESSIMISTA. 74% OF ECONOMISTS ARE SAYING

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TELLING “THE WASHINGTON EXAMINER” THE DECISION TO INVESTIGATE MCALEENAN IS, QUOTE, VERY DISTURBING.>>>WELL, IT WAS AN INTENSE DAY, TO SAY THE LEAST, ON CAPITOL HILL TODAY AS FORMER ACTING I.C.E. DIRECTOR TOM HOMAN DELIVERED AN IMPASSIONED DEFENSE OF BORDER PATROL AGENTS, RIPPING INTO THE INACTION OF CONGRESSIONAL LAWMAKERS. LISTEN TO THIS EXCHANGE WITH ILLINOIS DEMOCRAT JESUS GARCIA.>>MR. HOMAN, I’M A FATHER. DO YOU HAVE CHILDREN? HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN UNDER YOUR WATCH? DO YOU NOT CARE? IS IT BECAUSE THESE CHILDREN DON’T LOOK LIKE CHILDREN THAT ARE AROUND YOU? IF I DON’T GET IT. HAVE YOU EVER HELD A DECEASED CHILD IN YOUR ARMS?>>FIRST OF ALL, YOUR COMMENTS ARE DISGUSTING. I’VE SERVED –>>I FIND YOUR COMMENTS –>>MY COUNTRY 34 YEARS. I’VE SERVED MY COUNTRY FOR 34 YEARS AND, YEAH, I HELD A 5-YEAR-OLD BOY IN MY ARMS IN THE BACK OF THAT TRACTOR-TRAILER. I KNELT DOWN BESIDE HIM AND SAID A PRAYER FOR HIM BECAUSE I KNEW WHAT HIS LAST 30 MINUTES OF LIFE WERE LIKE, AND I HAD A 5-YEAR-OLD SON AT THE TIME. MY MISSION IS TO SAVE LIVES. SO FOR YOU TO SIT THERE AND INSULT MY INTEGRITY AND MY LOVE FOR MY COUNTRY AND FOR CHILDREN, THAT’S WHY THIS WHOLE THING NEEDS TO BE FIXED. AND YOU’RE THE MEMBER — THE.>>[INAUDIBLE] ING.>>FIX IT.>>WE AGREE ON. THAT BUT I DISAGREE –>>THE ORDER. ORDER. [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS]>>GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. GREGG: JOINING ME NOW IS THAT GENTLEMAN, TOM HOMAN, FORMER ACTING DIRECTOR OF IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOM ENFORCEMENT. HE’S ALSO A FOX BUSINESS CONTRIBUTOR. DIRECTOR HOMAN, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. IT WAS QUITE A DAY TODAY. THE TREATMENT OF YOU WAS NOTHING SHORT OF APPALLING, IN PARTICULAR JESUS GARCIA WHO ACCUSED YOU OF BEING RACIST, WHICH IS WHAT UNINFORMED PEOPLE DO WHEN THEY DON’T HAVE A GOOD ARGUMENT, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT REPRESENTATIVE GARCIA IS THE RACIST HERE, AND YOU CLEARLY SAID YOU WERE DISGUSTED BY IT. HOW MANY LIVES HAVE BEEN SAVED BY BORDER PATROL AGENTS, SIR?>>JUST THIS PAST YEAR THEY SAVED OVER 4,000 LIVES, BUT NO ONE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY. AND, YES, I WAS INSULTED BY HIM AND MANY OTHERS. REPRESENTATIVE GERALD CONNOLLY FROM VIRGINIA. YOU KNOW, HE THREW OUT DIRT AND WOULDN’T LET ME RESPOND. IT WAS ABOUT POLITICAL THEATER. HE RAN OUT OF THERE LIKE A LITTLE GIRL. HE’S A COWARD. HE DIDN’T WANT TO HEAR MY RESPONSE. THESE PEOPLE DON’T WANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO HEAR THE TRUTH. I SAID SEVERAL TIMES IN THIS HEARING THIS IS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, BUT YOU WON’T MET ME RESPOND TO WHAT YOU’RE SAYING. IF THIS IS THE FOCUS OF CONGRESS, TO PUSH A FALSE NARRATIVE AND NOT LET SOMEONE LIKE ME WHO SPENT 34 YEARS ON THAT BORDER SPEAK TO ISSUE, THAT TELLS YOU WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. THIS IS ABOUT RESISTING THIS PRESIDENT, ABOUT OPEN BORDERS. THEY DON’T WANT TO HEAR THE TRUTH. GREG GREG WELL, AND I COMMEND YOU FOR SAYING THAT THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES. INDEED, THEY SHOULD. YOU KNOW, A DIRECTOR FOR THE LONG TIME, MOSTLY DEMOCRATS WERE SAYING, OH, THERE’S NO PROBLEM AT THE BORDER, THERE’S NO CRISIS AT THE BORDER, IT’S ALL A MANUFACTURED CRISIS. WELL, NOW THEY’VE CHANGED THEIR TUNE, HAVEN’T THEY?>>ABSOLUTELY, AND THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT THE APPALLING CONDITIONS IN DETENTION. AND NOW IT’S CLEAR TO THEM. I SAID THAT’S BECAUSE YOU FAILED. THE SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY ALONG WITH THE HEAD OF BORDER PATROL HAS BEEN ASKING FOR MONTHS FOR SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING TO MOVE PEOPLE, WOMEN AND CHILDREN — FACILITIES AREN’T BUILT FOR THEM — THEY’VE BEEN BEGGING THEM FOR MONEY, BUT THEY JUST KEPT DENYING AND DENYING AND DENYING THEM. EVEN AFTER THEY FINALLY DID APPROVE THE FUNDING, YOU’VE GOT ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ THAT DIDN’T SUPPORT THE FUNDING TO MAKE THE CONDITIONS BETTER. AND SHE’S STILL TALKING ABOUT DETENTION CONDITIONS ON THE SOUTHWEST BORDER. AND WE WOULDN’T HAVE ANY OF THIS. THERE WASN’T CONDITIONS ON THE SOUTHWEST BORDER THAT WOULD BE UNWELCOMING TO THESE WOMEN AND CHILDREN IF THEY WOULD HAVE DONE THEIR JOBS AND CLOSING LOOPHOLES WE’VE ASKED THEM TO CLOSE FOR TWO YEARS. GREGG: YEAH. YOU MENTIONED ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZED TODAY WHO DEMANDED THAT SHE BE SWORN IN TO TESTIFY, WHICH SEEMED TO CONFUSE THE CHAIRMAN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT’S NOT NORMALLY WHAT HAPPENS SINCE YOU’RE A MEMBER OF CONGRESS. I WANT TO PLAY A CLIP AND THEN GET YOUR REACTION. HERE IT IS.>>IF I GET ARRESTED FOR DUI AND I HAVE A YOUNG CHILD IN THE CAR, I’M GOING TO BE SEPARATED. I WAS A POLICE OFFICER IN NEW YORK, AND I ARRESTED A FATHER FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE –>>MR. HOMAN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, LEGAL A ASIGH LEES ARE NOT CHARGED WITH ANY CRIME.>>WHEN YOU’RE IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY, IT’S VIOLATION OF UNITED STATES CODE –>>SEEKING A ASYLUM IS LEGAL.>>YOU WANT TO SEEK ASYLUM, GO THROUGH THE PORT OF ENTRY AND DO IT THE LEGAL WAY. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES HAS MADE THAT CLEAR.>>OKAY. GREGG: UNLAWFUL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES IS NOT A CRIME, BUT YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR, THAT COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES ILLEGALLY IS A CRIME. SNEAKING ACROSS THE BORDER IS A CRIME. SO AOC WAS ENGAGING IN HER TYPICALLY INANE COMMENTS — [LAUGHTER] AND, YOU KNOW, AND SHE’S THE ONE WHO CONTINUES TO DECRY CONDITIONS AT THE BORDER, AND YET SHE VOTED HELL NO WHEN IT CAME TIME FOR A $4.5, 4.6 BILLION IN FUNDING TO RELIEVE THE CONDITIONS AT THE BORDER. SHE’S NOTHING BUT A HYPOCRITE, CORRECT?>>OH, ABSOLUTELY. AND, LOOK, EVERY TIME SHE OPENS HER MOUTH, SHE’S WRONG. I’VE NEVER HEARD HER SPEAK ONE TIME ON IMMIGRATION AND SHE BE ACCURATE. I’M A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, BUT IT’S ASTOUNDING THAT A MEMBER OF CONGRESS, A LEGISLATOR DOES NOT REALIZE ENTERING THIS COUNTRY IS A CRIME. SHE OUGHT TO DO HER HOMEWORK BEFORE SHE STARTS SAYING THINGS THAT AREN’T TRUE. SHE’S THE WORST POLITICIAN IN THAT COMMITTEE, AND, YOU KNOW, SHE DOESN’T KNOW FACT FROM FICTION, AND, YOU KNOW, SHE’S BEEN A CONGRESSMAN FOR SIX MONTHS. APPARENTLY, SHE’S AN EXPERT AT EVERYTHING, BUT SHE’S AN EXPERT AT NOTHING. GREGG: YEAH. SHE WAS A BARTENDER LESS THAN A YEAR AGO. NOT THAT I HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST PEOPLE — [LAUGHTER] BARTENDERS AND WAITRESSES, BUT IT DOESN’T MAKE YOU AN EXPERT ON EVERYTHING. MOST FRESHMEN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS KNOW TO KEEP THEIR MOUTH SHUT, TO LEARN, TO OBSERVE, TO LISTEN, BUT NO, SHE’S AN EXPERT ON EVERYTHING. WANT TO GO TO A MOMENT NOW WHERE YOU WERE SHOWING PHOTOGRAPHS OF CHILDREN AND ELDERLY PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN VICTIMIZED VIOLENTLY BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. TALKTOUS ABOUT THAT. TALK TO US ABOUT THAT.>>THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, THEY TALKED ABOUT FAMILY SEPARATIONS DURING THE ZERO TOLERANCE THING AND, OF COURSE, IT’S SAD WHEN A CHILD’S SEPARATED FROM A PARENT. BUT THE PARENT’S BEING PROSECUTED, AND THAT HAPPENS TO AMERICAN FAMILIES EVERY DAY. AND THE SEPARATIONS, EVEN THOUGH UNFORTUNATE, IT’S A NECESSARY PART OF THE LEGAL SYSTEM. IF YOU AND I GOT ARRESTED FOR DUI AND WE HAD A CHILD IN THE CAR, WE’RE GOING TO GO TO JAIL, AND THAT CHILD’S GOING TO GO TO CPS. IS SO I BROUGHT MY OWN PICTURES OF SEPARATION. THESE WERE CHILDREN THAT WERE KILLED BY ILLEGAL ALIENS, SOME RELEASED IN SANCTUARY CITIES AND BECAUSE OF THE OPEN BORDERS AND ALL THIS TALK DEMOCRATS HAVE, TRIED TO SHOW A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES. ONE WAS A FIVE-MONTH-OLD BABY THAT WAS RAPED, SEXUALLY PENETRATED BY AN ILLEGAL ALIEN AND MURDERED. A 5-YEAR-OLD GIRL THAT WAS RAPED AND MURDERED, A 93-YEAR-OLD LADY THAT WAS RAPED MULTIPLE TIMES AND MURDERED. I AGREE, CHILD SEPARATIONS ARE SAD, BUT THAT’S A TEMPORARY SEPARATION BECAUSE THE PARENT’S BEING PROSECUTED. HERE’S SOME SEPARATIONS THAT ARE FOREVER. THESE PARENTS WILL NEVER SEE THESE CHILDREN AGAIN, AND THEY DIED A HORRIFIC DEATH. SO IF YOU WANT TO SHIFT GEARS FOR, YOU KNOW, THOSE SEPARATIONS, I GET IT. BUT HOW ABOUT SHEDDING SOME TEARS FOR U.S. CITIZENS THAT HAVE BEEN MURDERED, CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN MURDERED BY THE ILLEGAL ALIENS? I’VE MET WITH THESE ANGEL MOMS AND DADS, EVERY STORY’S TRAGIC. BUT THEY DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. THEY WANT TO KEEP PUSHING THEIR FALSE NARRATIVE TO AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND I WASN’T GOING TO ALLOW IT TODAY. I WASN’T GOING TO ALLOW IT. GREGG: AND REPRESENTATIVES TALIB AND PRESLEY FINISH TALIB WAS IN TEARS TODAY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE USING THE TERM ALL LEGAL IMMIGRANT IS DEROGATORY AND DEMEANING, AND SHE SEEMED TO BE BLAMING YOU AND OTHERS, AND YET SHE — SHE’S SO DUMB SHE DOESN’T REALIZE IT’S ACTUALLY IN THE LAW THAT CONGRESS WROTE, ILLEGAL ALIEN. AND YOU CITED THE STATUTE, AND THERE’S ANOTHER ONE AS WELL. SHE HAD TO LOOK THEM UP. SHE WANTS TO CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE, SHE OUGHT TO CHANGE IT HERSELF. SHE’S A MEMBER OF CONGRESS. CONGRESS CREATED THAT LAW WITH THAT LANGUAGE.>>ABSOLUTELY. THERE’S ANOTHER CONGRESSMAN WHO DOESN’T KNOW THE LAW. I MEAN, ILLEGAL ALIEN IS CLEARLY SPELLED OUT NOT ONLY IN TITLE VIII OF THE UNITED STATES CODE, THE IMMIGRATION NATIONALITY ACT WHICH, I CAN SAY, WAS ENACTED BY CONGRESS WHO SHE’S A PART OF. GREGG: RIGHT.>>DO YOUR HOMEWORK. 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ADMINISTRATION RAN WHERE JEFFREY EP SPEEN DIED. EP SPEEN DIED. AN ACTIVIST DEMANDING GUN AN ACTIVIST DEMANDING GUN CONTROL FROM MITCH McCONNELL. CONTROL FROM MITCH McCONNELL. ALL OF THAT TONIGHT. ALL OF THAT TONIGHT. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION DEFENDING ITS PLAN TARGETING LOW DEFENDING ITS PLAN TARGETING LOW INCOME LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. INCOME LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. IT’S BASICALLY BECOME A NEW IT’S BASICALLY BECOME A NEW FLASH POINT, A FULL DEFENSE OF FLASH POINT, A FULL DEFENSE OF THIS RATHER UNUSUAL CHANGE TO THIS RATHER UNUSUAL CHANGE TO IMMIGRATION POLICY, AN ATTEMPT IMMIGRATION POLICY, AN ATTEMPT TO PUNISH LEGAL IMMIGRANTS IF TO PUNISH LEGAL IMMIGRANTS IF THEY PARTICIPATE IN LEGAL THEY PARTICIPATE IN LEGAL PROGRAMS LIKE GETTING FOOD PROGRAMS LIKE GETTING FOOD ASSISTANCE OR PARTICIPATING IN ASSISTANCE OR PARTICIPATING IN MEDICAID. MEDICAID. DONALD TRUMP’S TOP IMMIGRATION DONALD TRUMP’S TOP IMMIGRATION OFFICIAL KEN CUCHE ANY LITTLE OFFICIAL KEN CUCHE ANY LITTLE TODAY SAYING THE STATUTE OF TODAY SAYING THE STATUTE OF LIBERTY POEM SHOULD BASICALLY BE LIBERTY POEM SHOULD BASICALLY BE REWRITTEN BASED ON THIS NEW REWRITTEN BASED ON THIS NEW TRUMP POLICY REQUIRING TRUMP POLICY REQUIRING IMMIGRANTS TO PROVE THEY’RE IMMIGRANTS TO PROVE THEY’RE UNLIKELY TO NEED NED PUBLIC UNLIKELY TO NEED NED PUBLIC ASSISTANCE. ASSISTANCE.>>>WOULD YOU ALSO AGREE THAT>>>WOULD YOU ALSO AGREE THAT EMMA LAZARUS’S WORDS ETCHED ON EMMA LAZARUS’S WORDS ETCHED ON THE STATUTE OF LIBERTY, GIVE ME THE STATUTE OF LIBERTY, GIVE ME YOUR POOR ARE PART OF THE YOUR POOR ARE PART OF THE AMERICAN ETHOS. AMERICAN ETHOS.>>HAD THEY CERTAINLY ARE.>>HAD THEY CERTAINLY ARE.>>IT’S KIND OF A TROLLING.>>IT’S KIND OF A TROLLING. TRUMP’S IMMIGRATION CHIEF TRUMP’S IMMIGRATION CHIEF RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE REAL RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE REAL POWERS SAYING SURE, GIVE ME YOUR POWERS SAYING SURE, GIVE ME YOUR TIRED AND YOUR POOR BUT AND TIRED AND YOUR POOR BUT AND ENDING HIS OWN EDITION, STAND ON ENDING HIS OWN EDITION, STAND ON THEIR TONE FEET. THEIR TONE FEET. A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL A LOT OF A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL A LOT OF SEN MENTALITY FOR AT LEAST THE SEN MENTALITY FOR AT LEAST THE RHETORIC IF NOT THE REALITY OF RHETORIC IF NOT THE REALITY OF THE STATUE OF LIBERTY’S GOALS. THE STATUE OF LIBERTY’S GOALS. BUT IT’S ALSO VERY DIFFERENT BUT IT’S ALSO VERY DIFFERENT FROM JUST HOURS BEFORE WHEN HE FROM JUST HOURS BEFORE WHEN HE COMMENTED ON THE VERY SAME COMMENTED ON THE VERY SAME TOPIC. TOPIC. TAKE A LISTEN. TAKE A LISTEN.>>YOU WERE COMPLEMENTING A>>YOU WERE COMPLEMENTING A PUBLIC CHARGE RULE FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC CHARGE RULE FOR THE FIRST TIME. TIME. ISN’T THAT SEPTEMBERMENT, GIVE ISN’T THAT SEPTEMBERMENT, GIVE US YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR, STILL US YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR, STILL OPERATIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OPERATIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OR SHOULD THOSE WORDS COME DOWN OR SHOULD THOSE WORDS COME DOWN OFF THE STATUE? OFF THE STATUE?>>I’M NOT PREPARED TO TAKE>>I’M NOT PREPARED TO TAKE ANYTHING DOWN OFF THE STATUE OF ANYTHING DOWN OFF THE STATUE OF LITTLE BIT. LITTLE BIT.>>IVE GIVE ME YOUR TIRED AND>>IVE GIVE ME YOUR TIRED AND YOUR POOR WHO CAN STAND ON THEIR YOUR POOR WHO CAN STAND ON THEIR OWN TWO FEET AND WILL NOT BECOME OWN TWO FEET AND WILL NOT BECOME A PUBLIC CHARGE. A PUBLIC CHARGE.>>MR. CUCCINELLI SAYING HE’S>>MR. CUCCINELLI SAYING HE’S NOT GOING TO TAKE IT DOWN AND NOT GOING TO TAKE IT DOWN AND NOW PUTTING UP HIS OWN NOW PUTTING UP HIS OWN REVISIONS. REVISIONS. THIS IS NOT JUST OBVIOUSLY A THIS IS NOT JUST OBVIOUSLY A RHETORICAL DISCUSSION. RHETORICAL DISCUSSION. THAT’S NOT WHY IT’S LEADING THE THAT’S NOT WHY IT’S LEADING THE NEWS TONIGHT. NEWS TONIGHT. THIS IS VERY, VERY REAL. THIS IS VERY, VERY REAL. AND THIS ATTEMPT TO THE SORT OF AND THIS ATTEMPT TO THE SORT OF DEFEND THE TARGETING OF LOW DEFEND THE TARGETING OF LOW INCOME LEGAL IMMIGRANTS COMES INCOME LEGAL IMMIGRANTS COMES WITH A CONTEXT. WITH A CONTEXT. IT COMES OF COURSE, AFTER THESE IT COMES OF COURSE, AFTER THESE HEART BREAKING ACCOUNTS THAT HEART BREAKING ACCOUNTS THAT EMERGED FROM THE FALLOUT OF THE EMERGED FROM THE FALLOUT OF THE MASTIFF I.C.E. RAID THAT LEFT MASTIFF I.C.E. RAID THAT LEFT MANY FAMILIES SEPARATED AND LEFT MANY FAMILIES SEPARATED AND LEFT UP THIS PUBLIC CRY, CALL IT UP THIS PUBLIC CRY, CALL IT TESTIMONY, IF YOU WANT, THAT TESTIMONY, IF YOU WANT, THAT WE’VE ALL HEARD NOW AND THAT’S WE’VE ALL HEARD NOW AND THAT’S WORTH HEARING AGAIN FROM AN WORTH HEARING AGAIN FROM AN 11-YEAR-OLD GIRL IN TEARS. 11-YEAR-OLD GIRL IN TEARS.>>I NEED MY DAD.>>I NEED MY DAD. MY DAD DID NOTHING. MY DAD DID NOTHING. HE’S NOT A CRIMINAL. HE’S NOT A CRIMINAL.>>TODAY NBC’S GABE GUTIERREZ>>TODAY NBC’S GABE GUTIERREZ INTERVIEWED ACTING I.C.E. INTERVIEWED ACTING I.C.E. DIRECTOR ASKS FOR REACTION TO DIRECTOR ASKS FOR REACTION TO THAT VERY VIDEO. THAT VERY VIDEO.>>WE CONDUCT OUR OPERATIONS>>WE CONDUCT OUR OPERATIONS WITH PROFESSIONALALISM, WITH PROFESSIONALALISM, COMPASSION AND HUMANITY AND TRY COMPASSION AND HUMANITY AND TRY TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THE TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THE INNOCENT PEOPLE OF THE INNOCENT PEOPLE OF THE SITUATION. SITUATION. HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO ENFORCE THE HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO ENFORCE THE LAW. LAW. THE PARENTS OR THE INDIVIDUALS THE PARENTS OR THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE BREAKING THE LAW ARE THAT ARE BREAKING THE LAW ARE ULTIMATELY THE ONES THAT ARE ULTIMATELY THE ONES THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PLACING THEIR RESPONSIBLE FOR PLACING THEIR CHILDREN IN THIS SITUATION. CHILDREN IN THIS SITUATION.>>YOU SEE THE VERY DIFFERENT>>YOU SEE THE VERY DIFFERENT WAYS TO DEFEND THESE POLICIES. WAYS TO DEFEND THESE POLICIES. CUCCINELLI PICKING A FIGHT WITH CUCCINELLI PICKING A FIGHT WITH POETRY, THE ACTING I.C.E. POETRY, THE ACTING I.C.E. DIRECTOR TALK UP COMPASSION DIRECTOR TALK UP COMPASSION BLAMING THE PARENTS. BLAMING THE PARENTS. THINK FOR A SECOND. THINK FOR A SECOND. COULD COMPASSION AND COULD COMPASSION AND PROFESSIONALISM INVOLVE A PROFESSIONALISM INVOLVE A PROCESS WHERE THERE WAS PROCESS WHERE THERE WAS COMMUNICATION WHEN YOU HAVE A COMMUNICATION WHEN YOU HAVE A MINOR WHO IS NOW SEPARATED FROM MINOR WHO IS NOW SEPARATED FROM HER PARENTS? HER PARENTS? I PUT THAT QUESTION TO YOU WITH I PUT THAT QUESTION TO YOU WITH THIS REPORTING. THIS REPORTING. FIVE DAYS LATER SHE DOESN’T KNOW FIVE DAYS LATER SHE DOESN’T KNOW WHERE HER FATHER IS. WHERE HER FATHER IS. THIS IMMIGRATION POLICY IS THE THIS IMMIGRATION POLICY IS THE REALITY RIGHT NOW. REALITY RIGHT NOW. RAIDS THAT LEAVE THESE CHILDREN RAIDS THAT LEAVE THESE CHILDREN IN TEARS IN THE WAKE OF A MASS IN TEARS IN THE WAKE OF A MASS SHOOTING TARGETING LATINOS, NO SHOOTING TARGETING LATINOS, NO EFFORT TO THE COMMUNICATE WITH EFFORT TO THE COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE ABOUT THE REALITIES OF PEOPLE ABOUT THE REALITIES OF THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE NOW THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE NOW SEPARATED. SEPARATED. RIPPING CHILDREN AWAY FROM THEIR RIPPING CHILDREN AWAY FROM THEIR PARENTS AT THE BORDER. PARENTS AT THE BORDER. THERE’S A NEW COURT FILING FROM THERE’S A NEW COURT FILING FROM THE ACLU THAT SAYS THAT FAMILY THE ACLU THAT SAYS THAT FAMILY SEPARATION POLICY IS STILL VERY SEPARATION POLICY IS STILL VERY MUCH ON WHILE THE TRUMP MUCH ON WHILE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION CLAIMED IT’S NOT. ADMINISTRATION CLAIMED IT’S NOT. SPEAKER HE WILL PEL IS SPEAKING SPEAKER HE WILL PEL IS SPEAKING OUT ON THIS EFFORT AND SAYS IT OUT ON THIS EFFORT AND SAYS IT IS TO DEMONIZE AND TERRORIZE IS TO DEMONIZE AND TERRORIZE IMMIGRANTS AND CALLS THE NEW IMMIGRANTS AND CALLS THE NEW POLICY THAT HAVE COME OUT WHILE POLICY THAT HAVE COME OUT WHILE CONGRESS IS ON RECESS HATEFUL CONGRESS IS ON RECESS HATEFUL AND BIGOTED. AND BIGOTED. KEN CUCCINELLI WE PROFILED ON KEN CUCCINELLI WE PROFILED ON THE SHOW FOR HIS EXTREMELY THE SHOW FOR HIS EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE RECORD IS PUSHING CONSERVATIVE RECORD IS PUSHING BACK HIMSELF. BACK HIMSELF. HE SAYS AS YOU HEARD, IT’S NOT HE SAYS AS YOU HEARD, IT’S NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK MIGRANTS TO BE TOO MUCH TO ASK MIGRANTS TO BE “SELF-SUFFICIENT.” “SELF-SUFFICIENT.” BEFORE I TURN TO THE PANEL, I BEFORE I TURN TO THE PANEL, I WANT TO LEAVE ONE FINAL THOUGHT WANT TO LEAVE ONE FINAL THOUGHT ON ALL OF THIS NEWS YOU’VE JUST ON ALL OF THIS NEWS YOU’VE JUST HEARD AS IT JUMBLES TOOTH. HEARD AS IT JUMBLES TOOTH. MR. CUCHE ANY LITTLE IS CARRYING MR. CUCHE ANY LITTLE IS CARRYING OUT THE TRUMP PLAN, THE TRUMP OUT THE TRUMP PLAN, THE TRUMP AGENDA. AGENDA. AND THAT IDEA THAT EVERYONE MUST AND THAT IDEA THAT EVERYONE MUST BE SELF-SUFFICIENT MISREADS BE SELF-SUFFICIENT MISREADS AMERICA IN WAYS. AMERICA IN WAYS. FIRST, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG FIRST, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH PEOPLE WHO HAPPEN TO WITH PEOPLE WHO HAPPEN TO RECEIVE FEDERAL BENEFITS RECEIVE FEDERAL BENEFITS SOMETIMES. SOMETIMES. WHETHER THEY’RE SENIORS ON WHETHER THEY’RE SENIORS ON SOCIAL SECURITY OR VETERANS WHO SOCIAL SECURITY OR VETERANS WHO GET HEALTH INSURANCE OR WORKERS GET HEALTH INSURANCE OR WORKERS WHO GET UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE WHO GET UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BECAUSE THEY’VE LOST A JOB BY NO BECAUSE THEY’VE LOST A JOB BY NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN IN A FAULT OF THEIR OWN IN A RECESSION OR CORPORATE DECISION RECESSION OR CORPORATE DECISION OR CHILDREN WHO GET FOOD OR CHILDREN WHO GET FOOD ASSISTANCE. ASSISTANCE. LET’S REMEMBER THERE IS NO LET’S REMEMBER THERE IS NO INSULT, NO FAILING IN INSULT, NO FAILING IN PARTICIPATING IN THOSE PROGRAMS PARTICIPATING IN THOSE PROGRAMS AT SOME POINT IN YOUR LIFE. AT SOME POINT IN YOUR LIFE. IT’S PART OF OUR SOCIAL SAFETY IT’S PART OF OUR SOCIAL SAFETY NET. NET. LONG FUNDED AND OPERATED IF YOU LONG FUNDED AND OPERATED IF YOU WANT TO GET POLITICAL BY YES, WANT TO GET POLITICAL BY YES, ADMINISTRATIONS IN BOTH PARTIES. ADMINISTRATIONS IN BOTH PARTIES. THEN THERE’S THE IMMIGRATION THEN THERE’S THE IMMIGRATION PIECE OF THIS, SECOND. PIECE OF THIS, SECOND. AMERICA’S ETHIC HAS STRIPED TO AMERICA’S ETHIC HAS STRIPED TO WELCOME PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF WELCOME PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE OR WHAT THEY WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE OR WHAT THEY MAKE. MAKE. IN FACT, WHEN IT DOES COME TO IN FACT, WHEN IT DOES COME TO STRUGGLE WHEN THAT IS A PART OF STRUGGLE WHEN THAT IS A PART OF THE ANALYSIS OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE THE ANALYSIS OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM AND WHAT THEY WENT COMING FROM AND WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH, OUR RHETORIC AND OUR THROUGH, OUR RHETORIC AND OUR ASYLUM POLICIES HAVE LONG NOTED ASYLUM POLICIES HAVE LONG NOTED SOMETIMES IT’S THE PEOPLE IN THE SOMETIMES IT’S THE PEOPLE IN THE MOST TROUBLE WHO NEED AMERICA. MOST TROUBLE WHO NEED AMERICA. AND WHILE WE DON’T LET THEM ALL AND WHILE WE DON’T LET THEM ALL IN, THAT’S NOT THE RULE, WE IN, THAT’S NOT THE RULE, WE CAN’T LET THEM ALL IN, SAY MANY CAN’T LET THEM ALL IN, SAY MANY POLITICIANS AND WHILE WE HAVEN’T POLITICIANS AND WHILE WE HAVEN’T ALWAYS LIVED UP AS A COUNTRY TO ALWAYS LIVED UP AS A COUNTRY TO THAT GOAL, WE’VE CERTAINLY THAT GOAL, WE’VE CERTAINLY STRIVED FOR IT AND TALKED ABOUT STRIVED FOR IT AND TALKED ABOUT IT. IT. THAT’S WHY WE ALL KNOW THE THAT’S WHY WE ALL KNOW THE RHETORIC IN THE STATUE OF RHETORIC IN THE STATUE OF LIBERTY POEM THAT EVERYONE IS LIBERTY POEM THAT EVERYONE IS FIGHTING ABOUT, GIVE ME YOUR FIGHTING ABOUT, GIVE ME YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR, YOUR HUDDLED TIRED, YOUR POOR, YOUR HUDDLED MASSES YEARNING TO BE FREE. MASSES YEARNING TO BE FREE. THE IDEA IS PRETTY SIMPLE. THE IDEA IS PRETTY SIMPLE. AMERICA IS WHERE SOME OF THEM AMERICA IS WHERE SOME OF THEM MIGHT GET TO COP FOR A BETTER MIGHT GET TO COP FOR A BETTER LIFE. LIFE. NOT THAT THE DOOR TO AMERICA SK NOT THAT THE DOOR TO AMERICA SK COMPLETELY SHUT UNLESS YOU COMPLETELY SHUT UNLESS YOU ALREADY HAVE ONE. ALREADY HAVE ONE. WITH THAT WE TURN TO OUR EXPERT WITH THAT WE TURN TO OUR EXPERT PANEL IT, LEAH RIGORE, MARY PANEL IT, LEAH RIGORE, MARY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NATIONAL IMMIGRATION LAW CENTER NATIONAL IMMIGRATION LAW CENTER AND WASHINGTON ANCHOR CATTY KAY. AND WASHINGTON ANCHOR CATTY KAY. MARIEL ELAINA, YOUR THOUGHTS? MARIEL ELAINA, YOUR THOUGHTS?>>THANK YOU, ARI.>>THANK YOU, ARI. AS AN IMMIGRANT FROM COLOMBIA AS AN IMMIGRANT FROM COLOMBIA AND A LAWYER, IT IS DEEPLY AND A LAWYER, IT IS DEEPLY OFFENSIVE TO SEAR ACTING OFFENSIVE TO SEAR ACTING DIRECTOR CUCCINELLI TALK ABOUT DIRECTOR CUCCINELLI TALK ABOUT THIS AS SELF-SUFFICIENCY. THIS AS SELF-SUFFICIENCY. THE FACT IS THAT THIS IS THE THE FACT IS THAT THIS IS THE COUNTRY, THE LAND OF COUNTRY, THE LAND OF OPPORTUNITY. OPPORTUNITY. THAT IS THE STORY WE HAVE TOLD THAT IS THE STORY WE HAVE TOLD OURSELVES FOR SEVERAL CENTURIES OURSELVES FOR SEVERAL CENTURIES NOW. NOW. AND WE KNOW THAT IN FACT, THE AND WE KNOW THAT IN FACT, THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS AT SOME MAJORITY OF AMERICANS AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIFETIME ARE POINT IN THEIR LIFETIME ARE GOING TO NEED TO RELY ON CERTAIN GOING TO NEED TO RELY ON CERTAIN TYPES OF SAFETY NET PROGRAMS TYPES OF SAFETY NET PROGRAMS WHETHER IT’S UNEMPLOYMENT, WHETHER IT’S UNEMPLOYMENT, WHETHER IT’S NUTRITION WHETHER IT’S NUTRITION ASSISTANCE, HEALTH CARE, ASSISTANCE, HEALTH CARE, WHATEVER IT IS. WHATEVER IT IS. THESE ARE ANTI-POVERTY PROGRAMS THESE ARE ANTI-POVERTY PROGRAMS FOR THAT VERY REASON. FOR THAT VERY REASON. THEY’RE ANTI-POVERTY. THEY’RE ANTI-POVERTY. THEY’RE MEANT TO HELP PEOPLE THEY’RE MEANT TO HELP PEOPLE MAKE ENDS MEET WHEN THEY’RE MAKE ENDS MEET WHEN THEY’RE FACING A HARD TIME WHICH WAS MY FACING A HARD TIME WHICH WAS MY OWN FAMILY’S EXPERIENCE WHEN WE OWN FAMILY’S EXPERIENCE WHEN WE FIRST ARRIVED IN THIS COUNTRY IN FIRST ARRIVED IN THIS COUNTRY IN THE 1970s FROM COLOMBIA. THE 1970s FROM COLOMBIA.>>LEAH, LISTEN TO THE PRESIDENT>>LEAH, LISTEN TO THE PRESIDENT ON ALL THIS TODAY. ON ALL THIS TODAY.>>MAYBE THERE OUGHT TO BE A>>MAYBE THERE OUGHT TO BE A DIFFERENT POEM ON THE STATUTE OF DIFFERENT POEM ON THE STATUTE OF LIBERTY. LIBERTY. DO YOU THINK THAT SHOULD BE DO YOU THINK THAT SHOULD BE SAVED? SAVED?>>I DON’T THINK IT’S FAIR TO>>I DON’T THINK IT’S FAIR TO HAVE THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER, YOU HAVE THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER, YOU KNOW, IT’S ABOUT AMERICA FIRST. KNOW, IT’S ABOUT AMERICA FIRST. I DON’T THINK IT’S FAIR TO HAVE I DON’T THINK IT’S FAIR TO HAVE THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER PAY FOR THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER PAY FOR PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE UNITED PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE UNITED STATES. STATES.>>LEAH?>>LEAH?>>WELL, YOU KNOW, ARI, I THINK>>WELL, YOU KNOW, ARI, I THINK CRUELTY IS THE POINT. CRUELTY IS THE POINT. THAT MUCH IS AN APPARENT. THAT MUCH IS AN APPARENT. THE PRESIDENT IS BEING EXPLICIT THE PRESIDENT IS BEING EXPLICIT ABOUT IT NOW. ABOUT IT NOW. THIS ISN’T ABOUT THE LAW. THIS ISN’T ABOUT THE LAW. IF IT WAS ABOUT THE LAW AND IF IF IT WAS ABOUT THE LAW AND IF IT WAS ABOUT TAXPAYERS AND IT WAS ABOUT TAXPAYERS AND THIN THAT, WE’D ACTUALLY THIN THAT, WE’D ACTUALLY SEE THAT THE CORPORATIONS SEE THAT THE CORPORATIONS INVOLVED IN BRINGING PEOPLE OVER INVOLVED IN BRINGING PEOPLE OVER OR WHO BREAK THESE RULES AND OR WHO BREAK THESE RULES AND PROFIT FROM THESE RULES THAT THE PROFIT FROM THESE RULES THAT THE GOVERNMENT WOULD BE PAYING GOVERNMENT WOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THEM. ATTENTION TO THEM. THEY’RE NOT. THEY’RE NOT. WE SEE THAT ALL THE TIME. WE SEE THAT ALL THE TIME. INSTEAD, WHAT WE SEE IS THAT INSTEAD, WHAT WE SEE IS THAT THIS IS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S YOU THIS IS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S YOU KNOW QUEST TO MAKE AMERICA LOOK KNOW QUEST TO MAKE AMERICA LOOK A VERY PARTICULAR WAY. A VERY PARTICULAR WAY. HE WAS VERY HONEST ABOUT THAT IN HE WAS VERY HONEST ABOUT THAT IN THAT STATEMENT HE JUST GAVE TO THAT STATEMENT HE JUST GAVE TO THE PRESS. THE PRESS. THIS ISN’T ABOUT BRINGING THIS ISN’T ABOUT BRINGING AMERICA BACK TO SAY THE 1960s OR AMERICA BACK TO SAY THE 1960s OR 1970s. 1970s. THIS IS LOOKING MORE AND MORE THIS IS LOOKING MORE AND MORE LIKE BRINGING ARE AMERICA BACK LIKE BRINGING ARE AMERICA BACK TO THE 1924 AND JAUND REED ACT, TO THE 1924 AND JAUND REED ACT, ABOUT MAKING A CERTAIN KIND OF ABOUT MAKING A CERTAIN KIND OF AMERICA, ONE IN WHICH IT’S NOT AMERICA, ONE IN WHICH IT’S NOT JUST UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS JUST UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS TARGETED BUT ALSO LEGAL TARGETED BUT ALSO LEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE FROM IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE FROM PARTICULAR BACKGROUNDS WHO ARE PARTICULAR BACKGROUNDS WHO ARE OF CERTAIN AGES FROM CERTAIN OF CERTAIN AGES FROM CERTAIN COUNTRIES. COUNTRIES. THAT MUCH IS CLEAR. THAT MUCH IS CLEAR.>>I DIDN’T KNOW YOU WANTED TO>>I DIDN’T KNOW YOU WANTED TO GO THERE, GET INTO THE JOHNSON GO THERE, GET INTO THE JOHNSON REED ACT. REED ACT. WE CAN DO THAT, PROFESSOR. WE CAN DO THAT, PROFESSOR. YOU’RE REFERRING TO THE LAST YOU’RE REFERRING TO THE LAST TIME THAT THE FEDERAL LAW TIME THAT THE FEDERAL LAW EXPLICITLIAGE KNOCKED THAT WILL EXPLICITLIAGE KNOCKED THAT WILL KIND OF DISCRIMINATION, WHICH KIND OF DISCRIMINATION, WHICH WAS LATER REVISED IN ’65, NOT WAS LATER REVISED IN ’65, NOT PERFECTED BY ANY MEANS BUT AT PERFECTED BY ANY MEANS BUT AT LEAST THE GOVERNMENT WAS NO LEAST THE GOVERNMENT WAS NO LONGER ON RECORD ADMITTING THAT LONGER ON RECORD ADMITTING THAT IT WAS GOING TO BAN PEOPLE BASED IT WAS GOING TO BAN PEOPLE BASED ON FOR EXAMPLE, NATIONAL ORIGIN ON FOR EXAMPLE, NATIONAL ORIGIN FROM ASIA OR IN RELIGION WITH FROM ASIA OR IN RELIGION WITH QUOTAS AGAINST JEWS. QUOTAS AGAINST JEWS. WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE WAY WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE WAY THEY’RE KIND OF GIVING THE GAME THEY’RE KIND OF GIVING THE GAME AWAY AND HOW FAR BACK THEY WANT AWAY AND HOW FAR BACK THEY WANT TO GO IN THESE POLICIES? TO GO IN THESE POLICIES?>>IMMIGRATION REFORM IN THIS>>IMMIGRATION REFORM IN THIS COUNTRY HAS BEEN FAR FROM COUNTRY HAS BEEN FAR FROM PERFECT PARTICULARLY IN THE LAST PERFECT PARTICULARLY IN THE LAST 20 YEARS. 20 YEARS. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS STRIKING, REALLY STRIKING ABOUT STRIKING, REALLY STRIKING ABOUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS THE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS THE RHETORIC AND THE LANGUAGE THAT RHETORIC AND THE LANGUAGE THAT AROUND IMMIGRATION AND HOW THAT AROUND IMMIGRATION AND HOW THAT IS TIED EXPLICITLY TO POLICY. IS TIED EXPLICITLY TO POLICY. SO DONALD TRUMP SAYING THAT SO DONALD TRUMP SAYING THAT MEXICO IS SENDING ITS WORST, MEXICO IS SENDING ITS WORST, SENDING RAPISTS AND DRUG DEGREE SENDING RAPISTS AND DRUG DEGREE DEALERS, SAYING THAT MEXICAN DEALERS, SAYING THAT MEXICAN DRUGS ARE DISCRIMINATORY, MAKING DRUGS ARE DISCRIMINATORY, MAKING RACIST STATEMENTS AROUND THAT RACIST STATEMENTS AROUND THAT USING LANGUAGE ABOUT INVASION USING LANGUAGE ABOUT INVASION ABOUT A COMING HOARD, ABOUT THE ABOUT A COMING HOARD, ABOUT THE DANGERS OF MIGRANTS, THAT AND DANGERS OF MIGRANTS, THAT AND EXPLICITLY TIEING IT TO POLICY EXPLICITLY TIEING IT TO POLICY THAT FOR ALL PURPOSES REALLY IS THAT FOR ALL PURPOSES REALLY IS ABOUT EXCLUDING PEOPLE FROM THIS ABOUT EXCLUDING PEOPLE FROM THIS COUNTRY AND ABOUT CREATING A COUNTRY AND ABOUT CREATING A SYSTEM THAT SINCE IT CAN’T BE SYSTEM THAT SINCE IT CAN’T BE DONE THROUGH CONGRESS AND HASN’T DONE THROUGH CONGRESS AND HASN’T BEEN DONE THROUGH CONGRESS, BEEN DONE THROUGH CONGRESS, REALLY KILLS LEGAL AND UN REALLY KILLS LEGAL AND UN UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRATION. UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRATION. LEGAL IMMIGRATION THROUGH A LEGAL IMMIGRATION THROUGH A THOUSAND BACKDOOR CUTS. THOUSAND BACKDOOR CUTS. THAT PART IS IMPORTANT AND THAT THAT PART IS IMPORTANT AND THAT PART IS DIFFERENT. PART IS DIFFERENT.>>APPRECIATE BOTH YOUR ERUD>>APPRECIATE BOTH YOUR ERUD IT/IO N. IT/IO N. I’M TURNING TO KATTY KAY. I’M TURNING TO KATTY KAY. I DON’T THINK IT’S A SECRET TO I DON’T THINK IT’S A SECRET TO THE REGULAR VIEWERS THAT YOU THE REGULAR VIEWERS THAT YOU HAPPEN TO BE EVERYBODY SOMEWHERE HAPPEN TO BE EVERYBODY SOMEWHERE ELSE. ELSE.>>I’M AN IMMIGRANT IN THIS>>I’M AN IMMIGRANT IN THIS COUNTRY, FIRST GENERATION COUNTRY, FIRST GENERATION IMMIGRANT. IMMIGRANT. I PAY TAXES AND AM EFFECTIVELY A I PAY TAXES AND AM EFFECTIVELY A TAXPAYER IN THIS COUNTRY. TAXPAYER IN THIS COUNTRY. A LOT OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ALSO A LOT OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ALSO PAY TAXES IN THIS COUNTRY. PAY TAXES IN THIS COUNTRY. I THINK THE IDEA THAT THIS IS I THINK THE IDEA THAT THIS IS SOMETHING TO DO WITH TAXES OR SOMETHING TO DO WITH TAXES OR WELFARE IS A TOTAL RED HERRING. WELFARE IS A TOTAL RED HERRING.>>THAT’S WHAT I WANT TO DRILL>>THAT’S WHAT I WANT TO DRILL DOWN WITH YOU ON. DOWN WITH YOU ON. WHICH IS WHO IS BEING TARGETED. WHICH IS WHO IS BEING TARGETED. AND LET ME HAVE FOR YOUR AND LET ME HAVE FOR YOUR ANALYSIS KEN CUCCINELLI PRESSED ANALYSIS KEN CUCCINELLI PRESSED WITH THAT QUESTION, WAIT A WITH THAT QUESTION, WAIT A MINUTE, IT IS NOW BECOME MINUTE, IT IS NOW BECOME DIAGNOSE QUITE CLEAR THAT DIAGNOSE QUITE CLEAR THAT CERTAIN GROUPS ARE BEING CERTAIN GROUPS ARE BEING TARGETED, TARGETING THE POOR HAS TARGETED, TARGETING THE POOR HAS LEAST SINCE ’65 IF NOT BEFORE LEAST SINCE ’65 IF NOT BEFORE BEEN DISFAVORED AND WHAT WHERE BEEN DISFAVORED AND WHAT WHERE THEY ARE FROM AND WHAT THEY LOOK THEY ARE FROM AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE IS SUPPOSED TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. UNCONSTITUTIONAL. TAKE A LISTEN. TAKE A LISTEN.>>WHY SHOULDN’T THE LATINO>>WHY SHOULDN’T THE LATINO COMMUNITY FEEL TARGETED? COMMUNITY FEEL TARGETED?>>THIS IS NOT NEW.>>THIS IS NOT NEW. THIS SAME QUESTION MIGHT HAVE THIS SAME QUESTION MIGHT HAVE BEEN ASKED WHEN IMMIGRANT BEEN ASKED WHEN IMMIGRANT ANCESTORS WERE COMING ALL ANCESTORS WERE COMING ALL THROUGH THE 140 YEARS. THROUGH THE 140 YEARS. THIS APPLY ACROSS THE WORLD. THIS APPLY ACROSS THE WORLD.>>THIS APPLY TO MORE LATINOS?>>THIS APPLY TO MORE LATINOS?>>IF WE HAD BEEN HAVING THIS>>IF WE HAD BEEN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION A COUPLE HUNDRED CONVERSATION A COUPLE HUNDRED YEARS AGO, IT WOULD HAVE APPLIED YEARS AGO, IT WOULD HAVE APPLIED TO MORE ITALIANS. TO MORE ITALIANS.>>I’M NOT SURE HE IS THE BEST>>I’M NOT SURE HE IS THE BEST ADVOCATE AND MOST CONVINCING ADVOCATE AND MOST CONVINCING PRESENTER OF THESE IDEAS. PRESENTER OF THESE IDEAS. IT SEEMS THAT IS EVERY TIME IT SEEMS THAT IS EVERY TIME WE’VE THROWN TO A CLIP, HE’S WE’VE THROWN TO A CLIP, HE’S PUTTING HIS FOOT IN HIS MOUTH PUTTING HIS FOOT IN HIS MOUTH CLAIMING HE, NOT SENATE CLAIMING HE, NOT SENATE CONFIRMED, HE SHOULD BE CONFIRMED, HE SHOULD BE RE-WRIGHT THE STATUTE OF LIBERTY RE-WRIGHT THE STATUTE OF LIBERTY POEM AND MAKING THE LATINO, POEM AND MAKING THE LATINO, ITALIAN COMPARE RESPONDS I LEAVE ITALIAN COMPARE RESPONDS I LEAVE THAT TO HIM. THAT TO HIM. I ASK YOU IS THIS ACCURATE AND I ASK YOU IS THIS ACCURATE AND WHAT IS HE MISSING? WHAT IS HE MISSING?>>SO THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW>>SO THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW IMMIGRANTS ARE GOING TO TAKE IMMIGRANTS ARE GOING TO TAKE WELFARE BASED ON THE COLOR OF WELFARE BASED ON THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN IS A COMPLETE THEIR SKIN IS A COMPLETE MISNOMER. MISNOMER. AS WE KNOW, THE VAST MAJORITY OF AS WE KNOW, THE VAST MAJORITY OF RECIPIENTS OF FOOD STAMPS IN RECIPIENTS OF FOOD STAMPS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE LIGHTWEIGHT, THIS COUNTRY ARE LIGHTWEIGHT, NOT AFRICAN-AMERICAN, NOT NOT AFRICAN-AMERICAN, NOT HISPANIC. HISPANIC. I THINK THERE’S ONLY ABOUT 10% I THINK THERE’S ONLY ABOUT 10% OF RECIPIENTS WHO ARE HISPANIC. OF RECIPIENTS WHO ARE HISPANIC. LET’S PUT THAT TO ONE SIDE. LET’S PUT THAT TO ONE SIDE. THE PROFESSOR TOOK US BACK IN THE PROFESSOR TOOK US BACK IN SIDE. SIDE. LET’S JUMP TOWARD. LET’S JUMP TOWARD. THIS IS ALL ABOUT 2044 WHEN THIS IS ALL ABOUT 2044 WHEN AMERICA BECOMES A MINORITY WHITE AMERICA BECOMES A MINORITY WHITE COUNTRY. COUNTRY. A BIT LIKE KING KNUTE, THE TRUMP A BIT LIKE KING KNUTE, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS DESPERATELY ADMINISTRATION IS DESPERATELY TRYING TO STOP THE TIDE OF THAT. TRYING TO STOP THE TIDE OF THAT. STEVEN MILLER CAME INTO THE STEVEN MILLER CAME INTO THE WHITE HOUSE WANTING TO TARGET WHITE HOUSE WANTING TO TARGET ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION YES, BUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION YES, BUT WANTING ALSO RIGHT FROM THE WANTING ALSO RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS ADMINISTRATION BEGINNING OF THIS ADMINISTRATION TO TARGET LEGAL IMMIGRATION TO TO TARGET LEGAL IMMIGRATION TO TRY TO MAKE AMERICA IN THE IMAGE TRY TO MAKE AMERICA IN THE IMAGE THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT WHICH IS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT WHICH IS MAJORITY WHITE. MAJORITY WHITE. WE KNOW THEY HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT WE KNOW THEY HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT TAKING NORWEGIANS AND SMOT TAKING NORWEGIANS AND SMOT PEOPLE FROM AFRICAN OR HISPANIC PEOPLE FROM AFRICAN OR HISPANIC COUNTRIES. COUNTRIES. THIS IS ABOUT RACE AND KEEPING THIS IS ABOUT RACE AND KEEPING WHERK WHITE. WHERK WHITE. IT’S NOT ABOUT THE WELFARE, IT’S NOT ABOUT THE WELFARE, TAXES OR ECONOMICS. TAXES OR ECONOMICS.>>MARIE ELENA.>>MARIE ELENA.>>COMPLETELY GO AGREE.>>COMPLETELY GO AGREE. WHAT THIS RACIALLY MOTIVATED WHAT THIS RACIALLY MOTIVATED RULE DOES NOT DO IS CHANGE THE RULE DOES NOT DO IS CHANGE THE ELIGIBILITY RULES ABOUT ELIGIBILITY RULES ABOUT IMMIGRANT ACCESS TO NUTRITION OR IMMIGRANT ACCESS TO NUTRITION OR HEALTH CARE BUT WHAT IT DOES DO HEALTH CARE BUT WHAT IT DOES DO IS ACTUALLY CHANGE THE POLITICAL IS ACTUALLY CHANGE THE POLITICAL POWER DYNAMICS. POWER DYNAMICS. WHAT THEY’RE TRYING TO DO IS WHAT THEY’RE TRYING TO DO IS HAVE MILLIONS OF IMMIGRANTS NOT HAVE MILLIONS OF IMMIGRANTS NOT BE ABLE TO BECOME PERMANENT BE ABLE TO BECOME PERMANENT RESIDENTS AND EVENTUAL VOTERS. RESIDENTS AND EVENTUAL VOTERS. THERE IS THEIR WAY TO EVENTUALLY THERE IS THEIR WAY TO EVENTUALLY HAVE MINORITY RULE, A COUNTRY A HAVE MINORITY RULE, A COUNTRY A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE OF COLOR IN MAJORITY OF PEOPLE OF COLOR IN THE FUTURE. THE FUTURE.>>THIS TRACTION PERFECTLY WITH>>THIS TRACTION PERFECTLY WITH THE NEXT QUESTION I WANTED TO THE NEXT QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK THE PROFESSOR WHICH IS ASK THE PROFESSOR WHICH IS YOU’VE ALSO DONE A LOT OF THE YOU’VE ALSO DONE A LOT OF THE POLITICS ON THIS. POLITICS ON THIS. I WONDER WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT I WONDER WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE POLITICS HERE AFTER THE THE POLITICS HERE AFTER THE PRESIDENT HAS HAD LET’S BE PRESIDENT HAS HAD LET’S BE CLEAR, ROUGH TIMES EVEN BY HIS CLEAR, ROUGH TIMES EVEN BY HIS STANDARDS YOU KNOW, THIS STANDARDS YOU KNOW, THIS CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER THAT THE CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WAS AN US TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WAS AN US COULD OF HAVING STAFF TOO LOOENT COULD OF HAVING STAFF TOO LOOENT LENIENT ON, THEN MYSTERIOUSLY LENIENT ON, THEN MYSTERIOUSLY DIES IN JAIL, THE TRUMP DIES IN JAIL, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OVERSEEING THAT, ADMINISTRATION OVERSEEING THAT, A SERIES OF REPORTS ABOUT HIS A SERIES OF REPORTS ABOUT HIS HANDLING OF THESE MASSACHUSETTS HANDLING OF THESE MASSACHUSETTS SHOOTINGS WHILE NOT CAUSAL SHOOTINGS WHILE NOT CAUSAL CERTAINLY HAD THE SHOOTER CERTAINLY HAD THE SHOOTER ECHOING LANGUAGE OF THE ECHOING LANGUAGE OF THE PRESIDENT AND ALL THE OTHER PRESIDENT AND ALL THE OTHER PROBLEMS. PROBLEMS. HERE ARE THE POLITICS, LEAH, HERE ARE THE POLITICS, LEAH, HERE WE GO AGAIN. HERE WE GO AGAIN. WHAT I MENTIONED AT THE TOP WHAT I MENTIONED AT THE TOP WHICH IS THE INSINUATION THAT WHICH IS THE INSINUATION THAT PARTICIPATING IN ANY PUBLIC PARTICIPATING IN ANY PUBLIC PROGRAM MAKES YOU SOMEHOW PROGRAM MAKES YOU SOMEHOW SUSPECT AND REAGAN QUO DO THAT SUSPECT AND REAGAN QUO DO THAT IN A DOMESTIC CONTEXT WITH IN A DOMESTIC CONTEXT WITH AFRICAN-AMERICANS. AFRICAN-AMERICANS. WE’RE SEEING IT IN THE WE’RE SEEING IT IN THE IMMIGRATION CONTEXT. IMMIGRATION CONTEXT. WALK US THROUGH YOUR VIEW OF THE WALK US THROUGH YOUR VIEW OF THE POLITICAL PLAYBOOK HERE. POLITICAL PLAYBOOK HERE.>>YOU KNOW IN, TIMES OF CRISIS>>YOU KNOW IN, TIMES OF CRISIS FOR DONALD TRUMP, HE VERY FOR DONALD TRUMP, HE VERY QUICKLY FALLS BACK ON THE — ON QUICKLY FALLS BACK ON THE — ON YOU KNOW, THE CULTURE WARS AND YOU KNOW, THE CULTURE WARS AND WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO THE RACE WARS WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO THE RACE WARS AND IMMIGRATION WARS. AND IMMIGRATION WARS. SO THIS IS HIS FAVORITE AND SO THIS IS HIS FAVORITE AND PERHAPS THE EASIEST PUNCHING BAG PERHAPS THE EASIEST PUNCHING BAG FOR HIM. FOR HIM. THIS IS HOW HE STARTED HIS THIS IS HOW HE STARTED HIS CAMPAIGN. CAMPAIGN. THIS IS HOW YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS HOW YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW HE RAN HIS CAMPAIGN. HOW HE RAN HIS CAMPAIGN. THIS IS WHAT HE DID, WHAT HE THIS IS WHAT HE DID, WHAT HE FOCUSED ON IN THE 2016 SPECIAL FOCUSED ON IN THE 2016 SPECIAL ELECTIONS AND ESPECIALLY THE 201 ELECTIONS AND ESPECIALLY THE 201 ELECTIONS AND PULLING IT OUT ELECTIONS AND PULLING IT OUT AGAIN TO APPEAL TO HIS BASE. AGAIN TO APPEAL TO HIS BASE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT GROWING HIS THIS IS NOT ABOUT GROWING HIS BASE. BASE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT. ONE THING I WOULD PUSH BACK ON ONE THING I WOULD PUSH BACK ON AND REALLY THINK ABOUT IS, HOW AND REALLY THINK ABOUT IS, HOW OFTEN HAS THIS BEEN SUCCESSFUL OFTEN HAS THIS BEEN SUCCESSFUL FOR DONALD TRUMP? FOR DONALD TRUMP? WE MAY POINT TO 2016 BUT WE CAN WE MAY POINT TO 2016 BUT WE CAN LOOK AT 2018 AND SEE THAT THIS LOOK AT 2018 AND SEE THAT THIS IDEA OF THE SO-CALLED HOARD, IDEA OF THE SO-CALLED HOARD, THIS MYTH OF THE HOARD, THE FEAR THIS MYTH OF THE HOARD, THE FEAR OF THE HOARD DIDN’T PAN OUT. OF THE HOARD DIDN’T PAN OUT. THE CARAVAN DIDN’T PLAY OUT IN THE CARAVAN DIDN’T PLAY OUT IN HIS FAVOR AT THE BALLOT BOX. HIS FAVOR AT THE BALLOT BOX. WHAT IT ENDED UP DOING IS WHAT IT ENDED UP DOING IS CREATING, YOU KNOW, PLAYING A CREATING, YOU KNOW, PLAYING A ROLE IN THE INCREASED FRENZY AND ROLE IN THE INCREASED FRENZY AND RHETORIC AROUND RACE THAT HAD RHETORIC AROUND RACE THAT HAD DEVASTATING CONSEQUENCES BUT DEVASTATING CONSEQUENCES BUT POLITICALLY, DIDN’T SEEM TO — POLITICALLY, DIDN’T SEEM TO — DIDN’T PAYOFF FOR HIM. DIDN’T PAYOFF FOR HIM.>>LEAH AND MARIE ELAINA, THANK>>LEAH AND MARIE ELAINA, THANK YOU BOTH. YOU BOTH. HAVE I ONE MORE THING IN NEW HAVE I ONE MORE THING IN NEW YORK FOR KATTY KAY. YORK FOR KATTY KAY. THAT IS STEVEN MILLER. THAT IS STEVEN MILLER. STEVEN MILLER HAS MAINTAINED A STEVEN MILLER HAS MAINTAINED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INFLUENCE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INFLUENCE OVER IMMIGRATION POLICY. OVER IMMIGRATION POLICY. HE WORKED FOR JEFF SESSIONS. HE WORKED FOR JEFF SESSIONS. HE’S NOW JOUST LASTED JEFF HE’S NOW JOUST LASTED JEFF SESSIONS AND VIEWERS MAY KNOW SESSIONS AND VIEWERS MAY KNOW HIM AS SOMEONE HOB ISN’T ON HIM AS SOMEONE HOB ISN’T ON CAMERA ALL THAT MUCH AND YET CAMERA ALL THAT MUCH AND YET SOMETIMES SEEMS TO AS I SOMETIMES SEEMS TO AS I MENTIONED OUTLAST AND OUT RANK MENTIONED OUTLAST AND OUT RANK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE BORDER THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE BORDER CZARS, DHS. CZARS, DHS. IT IS REMARKABLE. IT IS REMARKABLE. SOME PEOPLE SAY I WISH WE DIDN’T SOME PEOPLE SAY I WISH WE DIDN’T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS OR THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS OR THAT PERSON. PERSON. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT’S OUT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT’S OUT THERE, WHETHER YOU WANT TO THERE, WHETHER YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO MR. MILLER OR NOT. LISTEN TO MR. MILLER OR NOT. I SAY THAT AS A KIND OF I SAY THAT AS A KIND OF DISCLAIMER FOR SPRURPZ HERE HE DISCLAIMER FOR SPRURPZ HERE HE IS ON THE VERY ISSUE THAT HAS IS ON THE VERY ISSUE THAT HAS BECOME FRONT AND CENTER ABOUT BECOME FRONT AND CENTER ABOUT THE STATUE OF LIBERTY. THE STATUE OF LIBERTY. TAKE A LOOK. TAKE A LOOK.>>THE STATUE OF LIBERTY SAYS>>THE STATUE OF LIBERTY SAYS GIVE ME YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR, GIVE ME YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR, YOUR HUDDLED MASSES YEARNING TO YOUR HUDDLED MASSES YEARNING TO BE FREE. BE FREE. IT DOESN’T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT DOESN’T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SPEAKING ENGLISH OR BEING ABLE SPEAKING ENGLISH OR BEING ABLE TO BE A COMPUTER PROGRAM SNIR TO BE A COMPUTER PROGRAM SNIR THE POEM THAT YOU’RE REFERRING THE POEM THAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO WAS ADDED LATE SER NOT PART TO WAS ADDED LATE SER NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL STATUE OF OF THE ORIGINAL STATUE OF LIBERTY. LIBERTY. MORE FUNDAMENTALLY, MORE MORE FUNDAMENTALLY, MORE FUNDAMENTALLY. FUNDAMENTALLY.>>YOU’RE SAYING THAT DOES NOT>>YOU’RE SAYING THAT DOES NOT REPRESENT WHAT THE COUNTRY HAS REPRESENT WHAT THE COUNTRY HAS ALWAYS THOUGHT OF. ALWAYS THOUGHT OF.>>I’M SAYING THE NOTION.>>I’M SAYING THE NOTION.>>STEVEN, I’M SORRY.>>STEVEN, I’M SORRY. THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOME NATIONAL THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOME NATIONAL PARK REVISIONISM. PARK REVISIONISM.>>2017 AND THAT WAS SOMETHING>>2017 AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THEY BACKED OFF OF BECAUSE THEY THEY BACKED OFF OF BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T WANT TO GO TO WAR WITH DIDN’T WANT TO GO TO WAR WITH THE STATUE OF LIBERTY. THE STATUE OF LIBERTY. IS THIS NOW THE IN THE PLAYBOOK? IS THIS NOW THE IN THE PLAYBOOK? IS THIS NOT SOMETHING THEY’RE IS THIS NOT SOMETHING THEY’RE BACKING OFF? BACKING OFF? THIS IS FROM WHAT 2017 IS NOW THIS IS FROM WHAT 2017 IS NOW TOO EXTREME IS BEING NORMALIZED TOO EXTREME IS BEING NORMALIZED IN 2019. IN 2019.>>IS HE GOES ON TO SAY GIVE US>>IS HE GOES ON TO SAY GIVE US YOUR WRETCHED AND HOMELESS. YOUR WRETCHED AND HOMELESS. IT’S VERY HARD IN STEVEN MILL IT’S VERY HARD IN STEVEN MILL AREA’S IDEAL AMERICA TO IMAGINE AREA’S IDEAL AMERICA TO IMAGINE THIS WHITE HOUSE EMBRACING THE THIS WHITE HOUSE EMBRACING THE WRETCHED REFUSE AND THE HOMELESS WRETCHED REFUSE AND THE HOMELESS OF THE WORLD. OF THE WORLD. THEY HAVE NORMALIZED A LOT. THEY HAVE NORMALIZED A LOT. THIS IS THIS BATTLE GOING ON THIS IS THIS BATTLE GOING ON CONTINUALLY OVER THE WALL. CONTINUALLY OVER THE WALL. THEY HAVEN’T MANAGED TO BUILD THEY HAVEN’T MANAGED TO BUILD THE WALL. THE WALL. THEY ARE TRYING THROUGH OTHER THEY ARE TRYING THROUGH OTHER MEANS TO SATISFY THE BASE ON MEANS TO SATISFY THE BASE ON IMMIGRATION POLICY. IMMIGRATION POLICY. BUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT’S NEW HERE BUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT’S NEW HERE IS THIS IDEA OF TARGETING LEGAL IS THIS IDEA OF TARGETING LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. IMMIGRANTS. THAT IS STEVEN MILLER. THAT IS STEVEN MILLER. THAT’S SOMETHING HE HAS WANTED THAT’S SOMETHING HE HAS WANTED TO DO. TO DO. I’VE HEARD HIM SAY IT FROM THE I’VE HEARD HIM SAY IT FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS ADMINISTRATION BEGINNING OF THIS ADMINISTRATION AND NOW HE FEELS WITH THIS ORDER AND NOW HE FEELS WITH THIS ORDER HE CAN DO IT. HE CAN DO IT. IT WILLING BE CHALLENGED IN THE IT WILLING BE CHALLENGED IN THE COURTS. COURTS.>>YOU JUST PUT YOUR FINGER ON>>YOU JUST PUT YOUR FINGER ON IT, THEY HAVE SLOWLY BUT FINALLY IT, THEY HAVE SLOWLY BUT FINALLY MOVED FROM TALKING ABOUT THE MOVED FROM TALKING ABOUT THE UNDOCUMENTED WHERE THERE’S A UNDOCUMENTED WHERE THERE’S A LEGAL LINE TO ADMIT NO, THEY LEGAL LINE TO ADMIT NO, THEY DON’T LIKE, AND I SAY THIS IF DON’T LIKE, AND I SAY THIS IF YOU DON’T MIND, THEY DON’T WANT YOU DON’T MIND, THEY DON’T WANT CERTAIN PEOPLE HAVE YOUR STATUS, CERTAIN PEOPLE HAVE YOUR STATUS, WHO ARE JUST LEGALLY HERE WHO ARE JUST LEGALLY HERE PARTICIPATING IN OUR ECONOMY. PARTICIPATING IN OUR ECONOMY. WE LEARN FROM, WE LISTEN TO, WE LEARN FROM, WE LISTEN TO, PAYING TAXES. PAYING TAXES. NOW THEY’RE SAYING THE FACT THAT NOW THEY’RE SAYING THE FACT THAT YOU CAME HERE ITSELF SHOULD BE YOU CAME HERE ITSELF SHOULD BE TARGETED. TARGETED.>>YEAH, I HAVE FOUR AMERICAN>>YEAH, I HAVE FOUR AMERICAN KIDS, I HAVE AN AMERICAN BRITISH KIDS, I HAVE AN AMERICAN BRITISH HUSBAND. HUSBAND. I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT I I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT I WILL BE CHUCKED OUT BUT I’M VERY WILL BE CHUCKED OUT BUT I’M VERY CONSCIOUS OF THE FACT THAT CONSCIOUS OF THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WHO DON’T LOOK LIKE ME PEOPLE WHO DON’T LOOK LIKE ME WHO COME WITH MORE DIFFICULT WHO COME WITH MORE DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES THAN ME TO THIS CIRCUMSTANCES THAN ME TO THIS COUNTRY WHERE YOU HAVE ALWAYS COUNTRY WHERE YOU HAVE ALWAYS WELCOMED MIGRANTS IT HAS BEEN WELCOMED MIGRANTS IT HAS BEEN THE VALUE OF AMERICA, IT IS THE THE VALUE OF AMERICA, IT IS THE THING THAT DISTINGUISHES THIS THING THAT DISTINGUISHES THIS COUNTRY FROM OTHER COUNTRIES AND COUNTRY FROM OTHER COUNTRIES AND I FEAR THAT’S GOING. I FEAR THAT’S GOING.>>WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR

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QUOTE, WITH THREE DAYS OF QUOTE, WITH THREE DAYS OF ATTACKS ON FOUR LIBERAL MINORITY ATTACKS ON FOUR LIBERAL MINORITY FIRST-TERM CONGRESSWOMEN, FIRST-TERM CONGRESSWOMEN, PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE SENT THE REPUBLICANS HAVE SENT THE BIGGEST SIGN YET THAT 2020 WILL BIGGEST SIGN YET THAT 2020 WILL BE A RACIALLY DIVISIVE REPRISE BE A RACIALLY DIVISIVE REPRISE OF THE STRATEGY THAT MR. TRUMP OF THE STRATEGY THAT MR. TRUMP NARROWED CAPTURED THE WHITE NARROWED CAPTURED THE WHITE HOUSE IN 2016. HOUSE IN 2016. HE MIGHT BE THE ONLY PERSON IN HE MIGHT BE THE ONLY PERSON IN THE POLITICAL ARENA NOW AND EVER THE POLITICAL ARENA NOW AND EVER FOR WHOM A WEEK-LONG RACE FOR WHOM A WEEK-LONG RACE SCANDAL THAT ENDS IN A SCANDAL THAT ENDS IN A CONGRESSIONAL REBUKE IS BETTER CONGRESSIONAL REBUKE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER HEADLINES OUT THAN THE OTHER HEADLINES OUT THERE ABOUT HIM. THERE ABOUT HIM. HEADLINES LIKE THIS ONE ON HIS HEADLINES LIKE THIS ONE ON HIS CHUMMY RELATIONSHIP ACCUSED CHUMMY RELATIONSHIP ACCUSED CHILD SEX TRAFFICKER JEFFREY CHILD SEX TRAFFICKER JEFFREY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN. NBC ENURGED FOOTAGE OF DONALD NBC ENURGED FOOTAGE OF DONALD TRUMP WELCOMING EPSTEIN IN HIS TRUMP WELCOMING EPSTEIN IN HIS MAR-A-LAGO ESTATE IN 1992. MAR-A-LAGO ESTATE IN 1992. DONALD TRUMP KNEW THE CAMERAS DONALD TRUMP KNEW THE CAMERAS WERE THERE. WERE THERE. IN THE VIDEO HE MAKES A POINT TO IN THE VIDEO HE MAKES A POINT TO DRAW EPSTEIN’S ATTENTION TO DRAW EPSTEIN’S ATTENTION TO THEM. THEM. THE VIDEO CAPTURES DONALD TRUMP THE VIDEO CAPTURES DONALD TRUMP AND EPSTEIN CHATTING WHILE AND EPSTEIN CHATTING WHILE WATCHING A GROUP OF WOMEN AT THE WATCHING A GROUP OF WOMEN AT THE PARTY DANCE. PARTY DANCE. IT’S NOT AN IMAGE THAT MATCHES IT’S NOT AN IMAGE THAT MATCHES TRUMP’S DECLARATION THAT HE WAS TRUMP’S DECLARATION THAT HE WAS NOT A FAN OF EPSTEIN’S. NOT A FAN OF EPSTEIN’S. THE OTHER POTENTIAL DILEMMA FROM THE OTHER POTENTIAL DILEMMA FROM THE PRESIDENT, NEWS EARLIER THE PRESIDENT, NEWS EARLIER TODAY THAT THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE TODAY THAT THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE INVESTIGATION OUT OF THE INVESTIGATION OUT OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, THE ONE THAT HELPED SEND TRUMP’S THE ONE THAT HELPED SEND TRUMP’S ONE-TIME PERSONAL TORE MICHAEL ONE-TIME PERSONAL TORE MICHAEL COHEN TO JAIL IS DONE. COHEN TO JAIL IS DONE. YOU WILL RECALL COHEN’S YOU WILL RECALL COHEN’S SENTENCING DOCUMENTS FROM THAT SENTENCING DOCUMENTS FROM THAT INVESTIGATION THAT DESCRIBED INVESTIGATION THAT DESCRIBED DONALD TRUMP AS, QUOTE, DONALD TRUMP AS, QUOTE, INDIVIDUAL ONE AND IMPLICATED INDIVIDUAL ONE AND IMPLICATED HIM AS A CO-CONSPIRATOR IN AN HIM AS A CO-CONSPIRATOR IN AN ILLEGAL HUSH MONEY OPERATION. ILLEGAL HUSH MONEY OPERATION. A JUDGE IN THAT CASE ANNOUNCING A JUDGE IN THAT CASE ANNOUNCING TODAY THAT CRITICAL EVIDENCE TODAY THAT CRITICAL EVIDENCE WILL BE UNSEALED TOMORROW. WILL BE UNSEALED TOMORROW. EVIDENCE RELATED TO THE RAID OF EVIDENCE RELATED TO THE RAID OF COHEN’S HOME AND OFFICES LAST COHEN’S HOME AND OFFICES LAST YEAR THAT SO INFURIATED TRUMP, YEAR THAT SO INFURIATED TRUMP, HE WOULD DESCRIBE THEM AS AN HE WOULD DESCRIBE THEM AS AN ATTACK ON OUR COUNTRY. ATTACK ON OUR COUNTRY. IT’S EVIDENCE THE GOVERNMENT IT’S EVIDENCE THE GOVERNMENT WANTED KEPT UNDER SEAL BUT WANTED KEPT UNDER SEAL BUT DENIED IT SAYING, QUOTE, THE DENIED IT SAYING, QUOTE, THE WEIGHTY PUBLIC RAMIFICATIONS OF WEIGHTY PUBLIC RAMIFICATIONS OF THE CONDUCT DESCRIBED WARRANT THE CONDUCT DESCRIBED WARRANT DISCLOSURE, ADDING, QUOTE, THE DISCLOSURE, ADDING, QUOTE, THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS DISCUSSED IN THE MATERIALS ARE DISCUSSED IN THE MATERIALS ARE NOW A MATTER OF NATIONAL NOW A MATTER OF NATIONAL IMPORTANCE. IMPORTANCE. IT IS TIME EVERY AMERICAN HAS AN IT IS TIME EVERY AMERICAN HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SCRUTINIZE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SCRUTINIZE THE MATERIALS. MATERIALS. AND THAT IS WHERE WE START TODAY AND THAT IS WHERE WE START TODAY WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. JEREMY BASH IS THE FORMER CHIEF JEREMY BASH IS THE FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF AT THE CIA AND DEFENSE OF STAFF AT THE CIA AND DEFENSE DEPARTMENT. DEPARTMENT. FRANK FIGLIUZZI, FORMER FRANK FIGLIUZZI, FORMER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR COUNTERINTELLIGENCE AT THE FBI, COUNTERINTELLIGENCE AT THE FBI, PLUS FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR PLUS FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR GLENN KIRSCHNER IS HERE. GLENN KIRSCHNER IS HERE. “THE WASHINGTON POST” NATIONAL “THE WASHINGTON POST” NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER ROFTIA COSTA POLITICAL REPORTER ROFTIA COSTA IS BACK BE WITH US ON SET, THE IS BACK BE WITH US ON SET, THE HOST OF “SATURDAY NIGHT HOST OF “SATURDAY NIGHT POLITICS” HERE ON MSNBC DONNY POLITICS” HERE ON MSNBC DONNY DEUTSCHE. DEUTSCHE. FRANK FIGLIUZZI, I HAVE TO START FRANK FIGLIUZZI, I HAVE TO START WITH YOU. WITH YOU. WE’VE ALL HAD COUNTLESS WE’VE ALL HAD COUNTLESS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS SDNY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS SDNY CASE, WHAT THEY MIGHT BE DOING, CASE, WHAT THEY MIGHT BE DOING, WHAT THEY MIGHT BE BUILDING. WHAT THEY MIGHT BE BUILDING. AND WHEN EVERYONE CAME OUT AND AND WHEN EVERYONE CAME OUT AND TRIED TO ASSERT THERE WASN’T AN TRIED TO ASSERT THERE WASN’T AN UNDERLYING CRIME FOR ROBERT UNDERLYING CRIME FOR ROBERT MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION, YOU AND MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION, YOU AND JEREMY AND OTHERS POINTED BACK JEREMY AND OTHERS POINTED BACK TO THIS INVESTIGATION OUT OF TO THIS INVESTIGATION OUT OF SDNY WHERE DONALD TRUMP IS NAMED SDNY WHERE DONALD TRUMP IS NAMED AS AN UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR AS AN UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR IN THE COHEN SENTENCING IN THE COHEN SENTENCING DOCUMENTS. DOCUMENTS. TALK ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF TALK ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF TODAY’S DEVELOPMENT. TODAY’S DEVELOPMENT.>>WELL, IN CASE WE WITHNEEDED M>>WELL, IN CASE WE WITHNEEDED M DRAMIA ATTACHED TO THIS, WE HAVE DRAMIA ATTACHED TO THIS, WE HAVE A FEDERAL JUDGE SAYING THIS IS A FEDERAL JUDGE SAYING THIS IS OF NATIONAL IMPORTANCE. OF NATIONAL IMPORTANCE. LET’S LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY WHAT LET’S LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT. HE’S TALKING ABOUT. THE PROBABLE CAUSE THAT WENT THE PROBABLE CAUSE THAT WENT INTO THE AFFIDAVIT AND SEARCH OF INTO THE AFFIDAVIT AND SEARCH OF COHEN’S HOME AND OFFICES. COHEN’S HOME AND OFFICES. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHEN YOU WRITE THAT AFFIDAVIT WHEN YOU WRITE THAT AFFIDAVIT YOU’RE CONVINCING A JUDGE THAT YOU’RE CONVINCING A JUDGE THAT LOCATION OR THOSE MULTIPLE LOCATION OR THOSE MULTIPLE LOCATIONS ARE LIKELY TO CONTAIN LOCATIONS ARE LIKELY TO CONTAIN EVIDENCE OF THE CRIME THAT EVIDENCE OF THE CRIME THAT YOU’RE INVESTIGATING. YOU’RE INVESTIGATING. SO WHAT CAN WE FIND OUT WHEN SO WHAT CAN WE FIND OUT WHEN THIS MATERIAL IS RELEASED. THIS MATERIAL IS RELEASED. WE KNOW THERE WILL BE SOME WE KNOW THERE WILL BE SOME REDACTIONS. REDACTIONS. USUALLY THAT INVOLVES SOURCES USUALLY THAT INVOLVES SOURCES AND METHODS. AND METHODS. WHAT I WILL BE FOCUSING IN LIKE WHAT I WILL BE FOCUSING IN LIKE A LASER IS THE EVIDENCE OF WHO, A LASER IS THE EVIDENCE OF WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHEN AND WHY. WHAT, WHERE, WHEN AND WHY. WHO WAS IT DIRECTING THESE WHO WAS IT DIRECTING THESE VIOLATIONS, DIRECTING HUSH MONEY VIOLATIONS, DIRECTING HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS? PAYMENTS? HOW MUCH DID THE PRESIDENT KNOW HOW MUCH DID THE PRESIDENT KNOW AND WHEN? AND WHEN? AND REALLY WHAT ARE THE ORIGINS AND REALLY WHAT ARE THE ORIGINS OF ANY MONEY PA THAT CAME OUT OF OF ANY MONEY PA THAT CAME OUT OF THIS? THIS? WHAT ARE CONVERSATIONS LIKE IF WHAT ARE CONVERSATIONS LIKE IF THEY’RE TAPE RECORDED? THEY’RE TAPE RECORDED? ARE THERE FOREIGN CONNECTIONS TO ARE THERE FOREIGN CONNECTIONS TO THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS? THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS? THE WORLD IS OUR OYSTER TOMORROW THE WORLD IS OUR OYSTER TOMORROW AND IT’S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME. AND IT’S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME.>>LET ME JUST UNPACK SOME OF>>LET ME JUST UNPACK SOME OF THE THAT, FRANK. THE THAT, FRANK. THERE WAS SO MUCH GOOD THERE WAS SO MUCH GOOD INFORMATION THERE. INFORMATION THERE. AND LET’S SLOW THIS DOWN. AND LET’S SLOW THIS DOWN. THE WHO IS DONALD TRUMP. THE WHO IS DONALD TRUMP. WHO SIGNED THE WHAT, WHICH IS WHO SIGNED THE WHAT, WHICH IS THE CHECKS, FROM INSIDE THE OVAL THE CHECKS, FROM INSIDE THE OVAL OFFICE, RIGHT? OFFICE, RIGHT? WE SAW SOME OF THOSE CHECKS WE SAW SOME OF THOSE CHECKS REPRINTED IN “THE NEW YORK REPRINTED IN “THE NEW YORK TIMES.” TIMES.” AND THEY’VE BEEN REPORTED ON BY AND THEY’VE BEEN REPORTED ON BY OTHER NEWS ORGANIZATIONS. OTHER NEWS ORGANIZATIONS.>>WE SAW AT LEAST ONE WHILE HE>>WE SAW AT LEAST ONE WHILE HE WAS IN THE OVAL OFFICE HE WAS IN THE OVAL OFFICE HE SIGNED. SIGNED. NOW WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE NOW WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE OTHERS. OTHERS. BUT ALSO AS AN INVESTIGATOR, I BUT ALSO AS AN INVESTIGATOR, I WANT TO KNOW DID HE FULLY WANT TO KNOW DID HE FULLY DIRECT, UNDERSTAND, CONCUR WITH DIRECT, UNDERSTAND, CONCUR WITH THESE PAYMENTS EACH AND EVERY THESE PAYMENTS EACH AND EVERY TIME? TIME? DID HE UNDERSTAND THE LEVEL TO DID HE UNDERSTAND THE LEVEL TO WHICH THEY MIGHT POSE A WHICH THEY MIGHT POSE A VIOLATION OF LAW? VIOLATION OF LAW? THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO COME THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO COME OUT IF I THINK THIS IS WHERE THE OUT IF I THINK THIS IS WHERE THE JUDGE IS GOING. JUDGE IS GOING. WHEN HE SAYS THERE’S NATIONAL WHEN HE SAYS THERE’S NATIONAL IMPORTANCE TO RELEASING THIS IMPORTANCE TO RELEASING THIS MATERIAL, THAT WE NEED TO SEE MATERIAL, THAT WE NEED TO SEE IT, WE NEED TO KNOW, THAT’S WHAT IT, WE NEED TO KNOW, THAT’S WHAT I’M THINKING WE’RE GOING TO SEE, I’M THINKING WE’RE GOING TO SEE, CONNECTIONS TO THIS PRESIDENT CONNECTIONS TO THIS PRESIDENT AND POSSIBLY EVEN FROM THE MONEY AND POSSIBLY EVEN FROM THE MONEY COMING FROM SOME FOREIGN ENTITY COMING FROM SOME FOREIGN ENTITY THAT ACTUALLY IS SUPPORTING THE THAT ACTUALLY IS SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT.>>GLENN KIRSCHNER, YOUR>>GLENN KIRSCHNER, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THESE DEVELOPMENTS THOUGHTS ON THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND WHAT WE MIGHT EXPECT AND WHAT WE MIGHT EXPECT TOMORROW. TOMORROW.>>NICOLLE, I WENT BACK TO THE>>NICOLLE, I WENT BACK TO THE JUDGE’S ORDERS OF TODAY TO SEE JUDGE’S ORDERS OF TODAY TO SEE PRECISELY WHAT IT WAS THE PRECISELY WHAT IT WAS THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK PROSECUTORS REPRESENTED TO HIM PROSECUTORS REPRESENTED TO HIM ON THIS ISSUE OF WHETHER THESE ON THIS ISSUE OF WHETHER THESE MATERIALS SHOULD BE UNSEALED OR MATERIALS SHOULD BE UNSEALED OR REMAIN SEALED. REMAIN SEALED. HERE’S WHAT HE SAID THAT REALLY HERE’S WHAT HE SAID THAT REALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. HE SAID, THE GOVERNMENT NOW HE SAID, THE GOVERNMENT NOW REPRESENTS THAT IT HAS CONCLUDED REPRESENTS THAT IT HAS CONCLUDED THE ASPECTS OF ITS INVESTIGATION THE ASPECTS OF ITS INVESTIGATION THAT JUSTIFIES THE CONTINUED THAT JUSTIFIES THE CONTINUED SEALING OF THE PORTIONS OF THE SEALING OF THE PORTIONS OF THE MATERIALS RELATELING TO COHEN’S MATERIALS RELATELING TO COHEN’S CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS. CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS. NOW, I THINK EVERYBODY READS NOW, I THINK EVERYBODY READS THAT AND HEARS THAT BECAUSE THE THAT AND HEARS THAT BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATION IS CONCLUDED, INVESTIGATION IS CONCLUDED, THERE WILL NEVER BE FUTURE THERE WILL NEVER BE FUTURE CHARGES BROUGHT. CHARGES BROUGHT. I THINK WE NEED TO PULL THOSE I THINK WE NEED TO PULL THOSE TWO THINGS APART. TWO THINGS APART. MIND YOU, I’M NOT SAYING THIS IS MIND YOU, I’M NOT SAYING THIS IS AN INDICATION THAT THERE WILL BE AN INDICATION THAT THERE WILL BE CHARGES BROUGHT BUT HERE’S WHAT CHARGES BROUGHT BUT HERE’S WHAT I CAN TELL YOU, NICOLLE, WHEN I CAN TELL YOU, NICOLLE, WHEN PROSECUTORS LOOK AT A CASE THAT PROSECUTORS LOOK AT A CASE THAT POTENTIALLY INVOLVES MULTIPLE POTENTIALLY INVOLVES MULTIPLE CONSPIRATORS, WE HAVE ONE CONSPIRATORS, WE HAVE ONE OVERARCHING GOAL. OVERARCHING GOAL. WE WANT TO TRY TO BRING A CASE WE WANT TO TRY TO BRING A CASE THAT CHARGES ALL OF THOSE THAT CHARGES ALL OF THOSE CONSPIRATORS IN ONE CASE TO BE CONSPIRATORS IN ONE CASE TO BE TRIED IN ONE TRIAL. TRIED IN ONE TRIAL. WHY? WHY? BECAUSE YOU DON’T WANT TO BREAK BECAUSE YOU DON’T WANT TO BREAK IT UP, TRY TWO, THREE IT UP, TRY TWO, THREE CO-CONSPIRATORS WHILE THE OTHERS CO-CONSPIRATORS WHILE THE OTHERS WAIT IN THE WINGS AND GET A WAIT IN THE WINGS AND GET A COMPLETE PREVIEW OF YOUR CASE COMPLETE PREVIEW OF YOUR CASE AND YOUR EVIDENCE DURING THE AND YOUR EVIDENCE DURING THE FIRST TRIAL. FIRST TRIAL. SO WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT MICHAEL SO WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT MICHAEL COHEN IS GUILTY OF CAMPAIGN COHEN IS GUILTY OF CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS. FINANCE VIOLATIONS. HE DID IT AT THE URGING AND WITH HE DID IT AT THE URGING AND WITH THE ASSISTANCE AND FOR THE THE ASSISTANCE AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF DONALD TRUMP. BENEFIT OF DONALD TRUMP. WE HAVE SOME INDICATION THERE WE HAVE SOME INDICATION THERE MAY BE EXPOSURE BY DON JR. AND MAY BE EXPOSURE BY DON JR. AND ALLEN WIESEL BERG ON THE MONEY ALLEN WIESEL BERG ON THE MONEY SIDE AND CHECK-WRITING SIDE. SIDE AND CHECK-WRITING SIDE. LET ME HYPOTHETICALLY COMPOSE IF LET ME HYPOTHETICALLY COMPOSE IF THERE’S A CONSPIRACY WITH ALL THERE’S A CONSPIRACY WITH ALL FOUR OF THESE PEOPLE AND WE KNOW FOUR OF THESE PEOPLE AND WE KNOW THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT CANNOT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT CANNOT CHARGE THE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW CHARGE THE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE OFFICE OF LEGAL BECAUSE THE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL MEMO SAYS YOU CAN’T COUNSEL MEMO SAYS YOU CAN’T INDICT A SITTING PRESIDENT, THEN INDICT A SITTING PRESIDENT, THEN IT COULD BE THE SOUTHERN IT COULD BE THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK HAS AN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK HAS AN INTEREST IN BRINGING ONE UNIFIED INTEREST IN BRINGING ONE UNIFIED CONSPIRACY CASE AGAINST ALL FOUR CONSPIRACY CASE AGAINST ALL FOUR POSSIBLE CO-CONSPIRATORS THE DAY POSSIBLE CO-CONSPIRATORS THE DAY PRESIDENT TRUMP LEAVES OFFICE. PRESIDENT TRUMP LEAVES OFFICE. I’M NOT SAYING THAT’S GOING TO I’M NOT SAYING THAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN. HAPPEN. I’M SAYING I DON’T THINK WE CAN I’M SAYING I DON’T THINK WE CAN JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION BASED ON JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION BASED ON JUDGE PAULEY’S ORDER TODAY THERE JUDGE PAULEY’S ORDER TODAY THERE WILL NEVER BE CHARGES BROUGHT. WILL NEVER BE CHARGES BROUGHT.>>JEREMY BASH, LET ME JUST PLAY>>JEREMY BASH, LET ME JUST PLAY ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAS ESSENTIALLY PLEADED GUILTY TO ESSENTIALLY PLEADED GUILTY TO HIS ROLE IN THIS CONSPIRACY HIS ROLE IN THIS CONSPIRACY TESTIFYING TO THE ROLE AND TESTIFYING TO THE ROLE AND PARTICIPATION OF SOME OF THE PARTICIPATION OF SOME OF THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS JUST NOW NAMED OTHER INDIVIDUALS JUST NOW NAMED BY GLENN KIRSCHNER. BY GLENN KIRSCHNER. LET’S LISTEN TO MICHAEL COHEN. LET’S LISTEN TO MICHAEL COHEN.>>THIS $35,000 CHECK WAS ONE OF>>THIS $35,000 CHECK WAS ONE OF 11 CHECK I STALLMENTSNSTALLMENTS 11 CHECK I STALLMENTSNSTALLMENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHILE HE WAS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. OTHER CHECKS TO REIMBURSE ME FOR OTHER CHECKS TO REIMBURSE ME FOR THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS WERE THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS WERE SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP JR. AND SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP JR. AND ALLEN WEISSELBERG. ALLEN WEISSELBERG. SEE FOR THAT EXAMPLE 5B. SEE FOR THAT EXAMPLE 5B. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THUS WROTE A PERSONAL STATES THUS WROTE A PERSONAL CHECK FOR THE PAYMENT OF HUSH CHECK FOR THE PAYMENT OF HUSH MONEY AS PART OF A CRIMINAL MONEY AS PART OF A CRIMINAL SCHEME TO VIOLATE CAMPAIGN SCHEME TO VIOLATE CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS. FINANCE LAWS.>>JEREMY?>>JEREMY?>>NICOLLE, I THINK WHAT’S>>NICOLLE, I THINK WHAT’S IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT WHEN THE IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT WHEN THE JUDGE GRANTS THE AUTHORITY SFT JUDGE GRANTS THE AUTHORITY SFT PROSECUTORS AND FEDERAL PROSECUTORS AND FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS ACCESS TO DONALD INVESTIGATORS ACCESS TO DONALD TRUMP’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY, THEY TRUMP’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY, THEY HAD TO SATISFY THEMSELVES THAT HAD TO SATISFY THEMSELVES THAT THAT MATERIAL WOULD NOT BE THAT MATERIAL WOULD NOT BE PROTECTED BY THE ATTORNEY/CLIENT PROTECTED BY THE ATTORNEY/CLIENT PRIVILEGE. PRIVILEGE. THEY HAD TO SATISFY THEMSELVES THEY HAD TO SATISFY THEMSELVES THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS IN THE THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS IN THE CUSTODY OF MICHAEL COHEN, HIS CUSTODY OF MICHAEL COHEN, HIS PLACE OF RESIDENCE, HIS OFFICE, PLACE OF RESIDENCE, HIS OFFICE, WAS SO IMPORTANT TO GET AT THE WAS SO IMPORTANT TO GET AT THE UNDERLYING CRIMINAL CASE AND UNDERLYING CRIMINAL CASE AND CLEARLY THE JUDGE SATISFIED CLEARLY THE JUDGE SATISFIED HIMSELF IN THAT MANNER. HIMSELF IN THAT MANNER. AND NOW WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS AND NOW WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS THAT ASPECT, THAT JUSTIFICATION THAT ASPECT, THAT JUSTIFICATION IS COMPLETE, AND NOW THE IS COMPLETE, AND NOW THE INFORMATION CAN BE REVEALED INFORMATION CAN BE REVEALED PUBLICLY. PUBLICLY. I EXPECT WHAT THAT LIKELY MEANS I EXPECT WHAT THAT LIKELY MEANS IS THAT THE INITIAL INFORMATION IS THAT THE INITIAL INFORMATION THAT FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS AND THAT FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS AND PROSECUTORS PUT FORWARD WAS A PROSECUTORS PUT FORWARD WAS A CLEAR TIE BETWEEN MICHAEL COHEN CLEAR TIE BETWEEN MICHAEL COHEN AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND THAT BEARS ON THE STATES, AND THAT BEARS ON THE PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PRESIDENT’S ILLEGAL EXPOSURE. PRESIDENT’S ILLEGAL EXPOSURE. IT BEARS ON ISSUES THAT CONGRESS IT BEARS ON ISSUES THAT CONGRESS MIGHT CONSIDER IN ANALYZING HIGH MIGHT CONSIDER IN ANALYZING HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS. CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS. IT COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY MEAN IT COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY MEAN ASPECTS OF WHETHER OR NOT THE ASPECTS OF WHETHER OR NOT THE PRESIDENT COULD BE CHARGED IN PRESIDENT COULD BE CHARGED IN THE FUTURE AND WHETHER OR NOT THE FUTURE AND WHETHER OR NOT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT RELIED ON THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT RELIED ON EXISTING JUSTICE DEPARTMENT EXISTING JUSTICE DEPARTMENT POLICY. POLICY. BUT I THINK IT’S A VERY BUT I THINK IT’S A VERY SIGNIFICANT STECH,P AND TOMORROW SIGNIFICANT STECH,P AND TOMORROW WILL KNOW A LOT MORE. WILL KNOW A LOT MORE.>>ROBERT COSTA, PEOPLE CLOSE TO>>ROBERT COSTA, PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT ALWAYS DESCRIBE THE PRESIDENT ALWAYS DESCRIBE THE ANXIETY AROUND SDNY AND THE ANXIETY AROUND SDNY AND MICHAEL COHEN AND THESE RAIDS AS MICHAEL COHEN AND THESE RAIDS AS A FAR GRAVER EMBARRASSMENT TO A FAR GRAVER EMBARRASSMENT TO DONALD TRUMP IN TERMS OF DONALD TRUMP IN TERMS OF REVEALING SOME OF HIS LEAST REVEALING SOME OF HIS LEAST ELEGANT PERSONAL CONDUCT IF YOU ELEGANT PERSONAL CONDUCT IF YOU WILL AND FAR GREATER LEGAL RISK WILL AND FAR GREATER LEGAL RISK TO THE PRESIDENT IN TERMS OF HIS TO THE PRESIDENT IN TERMS OF HIS ROLE HERE AS UNINDICTED ROLE HERE AS UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR IN THE HUSH MONEY CO-CONSPIRATOR IN THE HUSH MONEY SCHEME. SCHEME. AND IF SOME SORT OF CONSPIRACY AND IF SOME SORT OF CONSPIRACY IS CHARGED WHEN HE LEAVES THE IS CHARGED WHEN HE LEAVES THE OFFICE. OFFICE. YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS TODAY. YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS TODAY.>>IT DOES LOOM OVER HIM IN>>IT DOES LOOM OVER HIM IN TERMS OF SOMETHING THAT CAN COME TERMS OF SOMETHING THAT CAN COME DOWN THE HORIZON. DOWN THE HORIZON. BUT WHEN YOU TALK TO WHITE HOUSE BUT WHEN YOU TALK TO WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS AND TRUMP POLITICAL OFFICIALS AND TRUMP POLITICAL ADVISERS, THEY SAY THIS IS ADVISERS, THEY SAY THIS IS PERHAPS 10 TO 20 ITEMS ON THE PERHAPS 10 TO 20 ITEMS ON THE LIST CONGRESS AND HOUSE LIST CONGRESS AND HOUSE DEMOCRATS ARE LOOKING OVER IN DEMOCRATS ARE LOOKING OVER IN TERMS OF THE PRESIDENT’S CONDUCT TERMS OF THE PRESIDENT’S CONDUCT THAT COULD BE USED TO BRING THAT COULD BE USED TO BRING IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS AGAINST IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS AGAINST HIM IN THE COMING MONTHS. HIM IN THE COMING MONTHS. AND THEY ALSO BELIEVE A JUSTICE AND THEY ALSO BELIEVE A JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY WITH DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY WITH ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BARR AT ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BARR AT THE HELM, IS NOT GOING TO IN ANY THE HELM, IS NOT GOING TO IN ANY WAY GO AGAINST THE OFFICE OF WAY GO AGAINST THE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL GUIDELINES. LEGAL COUNSEL GUIDELINES. SO THEY FEEL IT IS A THREAT SO THEY FEEL IT IS A THREAT POTENTIALLY BUT THEY ARE POTENTIALLY BUT THEY ARE INSULATED POLITICALLY. INSULATED POLITICALLY.>>THEY’RE INSULATED LEGALLY>>THEY’RE INSULATED LEGALLY LIKELY AS WELL, AS ROBERT COSTA LIKELY AS WELL, AS ROBERT COSTA IS EXACTLY RIGHT. IS EXACTLY RIGHT. BUT WHAT SO ENRAGED THE BUT WHAT SO ENRAGED THE PRESIDENT, I REMEMBER WHETHER PRESIDENT, I REMEMBER WHETHER THE RAIDS HAPPENED, HE WAS AT A THE RAIDS HAPPENED, HE WAS AT A NATIONAL SECURITY MEETING SITE. NATIONAL SECURITY MEETING SITE. I BELIEVE THERE WERE GENERALS IN I BELIEVE THERE WERE GENERALS IN THE ROOSEVELT ROOM OR CABINET THE ROOSEVELT ROOM OR CABINET ROOM AND DESCRIBED IT AS AN ROOM AND DESCRIBED IT AS AN ATTACK ON OUR NATION. ATTACK ON OUR NATION. WE DON’T NEED TO GUESS HOW THE WE DON’T NEED TO GUESS HOW THE PRESIDENT FEELS ABOUT THE COHEN PRESIDENT FEELS ABOUT THE COHEN INVESTIGATION, COHEN PROSECUTION INVESTIGATION, COHEN PROSECUTION AND THIS EVIDENCE. AND THIS EVIDENCE.>>LET’S WRAP IT UP INTO>>LET’S WRAP IT UP INTO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIGGER AND SOMETHING A LITTLE BIGGER AND BRING BILL BARR INTO THIS. BRING BILL BARR INTO THIS. RIGHT BEFORE HE WAS APPOINTED, RIGHT BEFORE HE WAS APPOINTED, THE SDNY WAS ALREADY LOOKING THE SDNY WAS ALREADY LOOKING INTO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. INTO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. THERE WERE MEETINGS ABOUT TO BE THERE WERE MEETINGS ABOUT TO BE SET UP WITH THE TRUMP AND SET UP WITH THE TRUMP AND SUDDENLY THE MEETINGS NEVER SUDDENLY THE MEETINGS NEVER HAPPENED. HAPPENED. ONCE BARR CAME IN, NOTHING WENT ONCE BARR CAME IN, NOTHING WENT FORWARD. FORWARD. BILL BARR HAS TO ANSWER TO THAT. BILL BARR HAS TO ANSWER TO THAT.>>TO WHOM?>>TO WHOM?>>THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.>>THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.>>HE’S ABOUT TO BE HELD IN>>HE’S ABOUT TO BE HELD IN CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS. CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS. HE ANSWERS FOR A PRESIDENT. HE ANSWERS FOR A PRESIDENT. TO WHOM? TO WHOM?>>THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION.>>THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION. BUT THE REALITY IS RIGHT NOW AS BUT THE REALITY IS RIGHT NOW AS LONG AS BILL BAR IS IN THAT LONG AS BILL BAR IS IN THAT SEAT, IT’S LIMITED WHAT WE CAN SEAT, IT’S LIMITED WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH. ACCOMPLISH. MY FRIEND IS SITTING IN JAIL FOR MY FRIEND IS SITTING IN JAIL FOR A CRIME HE COMMITTED ON THE A CRIME HE COMMITTED ON THE DIRECTION AND BENEFIT OF THE DIRECTION AND BENEFIT OF THE PRESIDENT AND HOPEFULLY ONE DAY PRESIDENT AND HOPEFULLY ONE DAY THE PRESIDENT WILL HAVE TO THE PRESIDENT WILL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THAT. ANSWER FOR THAT. BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A HEAD OF BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A HEAD OF THE DOJ, APPOINTED BY THE THE DOJ, APPOINTED BY THE PRESIDENT, HIS IN-HOUSE PRESIDENT, HIS IN-HOUSE ATTORNEY, WHO BASICALLY WILL ATTORNEY, WHO BASICALLY WILL CONTINUE TO RUN INTERFERENCE FOR CONTINUE TO RUN INTERFERENCE FOR ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THE ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. TRUMP ORGANIZATION.>>IT’S MORE THAN INTERFERENCE.>>IT’S MORE THAN INTERFERENCE. HE’S INVESTIGATING THE CIA. HE’S INVESTIGATING THE CIA.>>LET ME ASK ONE MORE QUESTION,>>LET ME ASK ONE MORE QUESTION, WHERE IS WEISSELBERG? WHERE IS WEISSELBERG? WHY IS IT HE DOESN’T FALL UNDER WHY IS IT HE DOESN’T FALL UNDER EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE? EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE? WHY ISN’T WEISSELBERG BEING WHY ISN’T WEISSELBERG BEING CALLED TO CONGRESS TO ASK ABOUT CALLED TO CONGRESS TO ASK ABOUT OTHER THINGS? OTHER THINGS? THIS CAN’T STOP HERE. THIS CAN’T STOP HERE.>>YOU’RE ALL GETTING A>>YOU’RE ALL GETTING A DOUBLEHEADER. DOUBLEHEADER. I WANT ALL OF YOUR THOUGHTS ON I WANT ALL OF YOUR THOUGHTS ON BARR AND ISSUES DONNY RAISES. BARR AND ISSUES DONNY RAISES. BUT I WANT TO PUT OUT THESE TWO BUT I WANT TO PUT OUT THESE TWO OTHER TOXIC NARRATIVES THAT OTHER TOXIC NARRATIVES THAT COULD MAKE A PLAY ON RACISM MAKE COULD MAKE A PLAY ON RACISM MAKE SENSE FOR DONALD TRUMP. SENSE FOR DONALD TRUMP. JEFFREY EPSTEIN SEEN RUBBING JEFFREY EPSTEIN SEEN RUBBING SHOULDERS WITH DONALD TRUMP SHOULDERS WITH DONALD TRUMP WHILE GIRLS ARE DANCING AT WHILE GIRLS ARE DANCING AT MAR-A-LAGO. MAR-A-LAGO. OUR COLLEAGUE MIKA BRZEZINSKI OUR COLLEAGUE MIKA BRZEZINSKI NARRATED SOME OF THAT. NARRATED SOME OF THAT. I THINK WE HAVE THAT. I THINK WE HAVE THAT. LET’S WATCH. LET’S WATCH.>>TRUMP IS SURROUNDED BY WOMEN>>TRUMP IS SURROUNDED BY WOMEN AS MUSIC BURGLARIES IN THELAIRS AS MUSIC BURGLARIES IN THELAIRS BACKGROUND. BACKGROUND. THEN HE MEETS GUESTS, AMONG THEM THEN HE MEETS GUESTS, AMONG THEM FINANCIER JEFFREY EPSTEIN, MORE FINANCIER JEFFREY EPSTEIN, MORE THAN A DECADE BEFORE THE GUILTY THAN A DECADE BEFORE THE GUILTY PLEA. PLEA. AND THEN TRUMP IS TALKING TO AND THEN TRUMP IS TALKING TO EPSTEIN AND ANOTHER MAN AS WOMEN EPSTEIN AND ANOTHER MAN AS WOMEN ARE DANCING IN FRONT OF HIM. ARE DANCING IN FRONT OF HIM. TRUMP GOES BETWEEN DANCING AND TRUMP GOES BETWEEN DANCING AND POINTING TO WOMEN AND TELLING POINTING TO WOMEN AND TELLING EPSTEIN ABOUT THE CAMERAS. EPSTEIN ABOUT THE CAMERAS. THOUGH EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAY, THOUGH EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAY, IT’S DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND AS IT’S DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND AS THEY DISCUSS THE WOMEN AND THEIR THEY DISCUSS THE WOMEN AND THEIR APPEARANCES. APPEARANCES. TRUMP GESTURES TO ONE AND TRUMP GESTURES TO ONE AND APPEARS TO SAY TO EPSTEIN, LOOK APPEARS TO SAY TO EPSTEIN, LOOK AT HER BACK THERE. AT HER BACK THERE. SHE’S HOT. SHE’S HOT. AND THEN TRUMP SAYS SOMETHING AND THEN TRUMP SAYS SOMETHING ELSE INTO EPSTEIN’S EAR THAT ELSE INTO EPSTEIN’S EAR THAT MAKES HIM DOUBLE OVER WITH MAKES HIM DOUBLE OVER WITH LAUGHTER. LAUGHTER.>>ROBERT COSTA, YOU WERE THE>>ROBERT COSTA, YOU WERE THE ONE WHO STOPPED ME IN MY TRACKS ONE WHO STOPPED ME IN MY TRACKS WHEN YOU SAID ON THIS SHOW ABOUT WHEN YOU SAID ON THIS SHOW ABOUT A WEEK AGO THAT EVERY JOURNALIST A WEEK AGO THAT EVERY JOURNALIST WHO COVERS THIS WHITE HOUSE HAS WHO COVERS THIS WHITE HOUSE HAS TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT TRUMP’S KNOWLEDGE WAS OF THE TRUMP’S KNOWLEDGE WAS OF THE NATURE OF EPSTEIN’S CONDUCT AND NATURE OF EPSTEIN’S CONDUCT AND WHEN THEY BECAME — WHEN HE WHEN THEY BECAME — WHEN HE BECAME AWARE OF WHAT IS CLEARLY BECAME AWARE OF WHAT IS CLEARLY NOW CRIMINALITY AND REAL SEXUAL NOW CRIMINALITY AND REAL SEXUAL DEVIANCE. DEVIANCE. WHAT DO YOU THINK WHEN YOU SEE WHAT DO YOU THINK WHEN YOU SEE THAT TAPE? THAT TAPE? DO YOU THINK ANYONE AT THE WHITE DO YOU THINK ANYONE AT THE WHITE HOUSE IS CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE HOUSE IS CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE IMAGES? IMAGES?>>THEY ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE>>THEY ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE IT’S A RELATIONSHIP THE IT’S A RELATIONSHIP THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT WANT TO TALK PRESIDENT DOES NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT AT ALL PUBLICLY OR ABOUT AT ALL PUBLICLY OR PRIVATELY. PRIVATELY. WHENEVER HE’S ASKED ABOUT IT, IN WHENEVER HE’S ASKED ABOUT IT, IN EITHER CIRCUMSTANCE, MY SOURCES EITHER CIRCUMSTANCE, MY SOURCES SAY HE DISMISSES IT AND SAYS HE SAY HE DISMISSES IT AND SAYS HE HAD A FALLING OUT WITH EPSTEIN HAD A FALLING OUT WITH EPSTEIN AND LEAVES IT AT THAT. AND LEAVES IT AT THAT. BUT THE FOOTAGE REVEALS DID HE BUT THE FOOTAGE REVEALS DID HE HAVE SOME KIND OF RELATIONSHIP HAVE SOME KIND OF RELATIONSHIP WITHIN THE CULTURE OF PALM BEACH WITHIN THE CULTURE OF PALM BEACH BACK IN 1992 AND THROUGHOUT THE BACK IN 1992 AND THROUGHOUT THE MID-AND EARLY 1990s. MID-AND EARLY 1990s. THERE ARE JUST SO MANY QUESTIONS THERE ARE JUST SO MANY QUESTIONS THAT HANG OUT THERE THAT WHY WAS THAT HANG OUT THERE THAT WHY WAS HE STEEP AT MAR-A-LAGO. HE STEEP AT MAR-A-LAGO. WHAT WAS THE EXTENT OF THE WHAT WAS THE EXTENT OF THE RELATIONSHIP? RELATIONSHIP? AND AS REPORTERS ALWAYS SAY, ARE AND AS REPORTERS ALWAYS SAY, ARE THERE OTHER DOCUMENTS? THERE OTHER DOCUMENTS? THIS VIDEO TELLS US A LITTLE THIS VIDEO TELLS US A LITTLE BIT. BIT. WHAT WAS THE EXTENT OF THIS WHAT WAS THE EXTENT OF THIS FINANCIAL RELATIONSHIP THAT FELL FINANCIAL RELATIONSHIP THAT FELL APART ABOUT A DECADE AGO APART ABOUT A DECADE AGO ACCORDING TO THE PRESIDENT? ACCORDING TO THE PRESIDENT? IT WAS A BIG REPORTING TARGET. IT WAS A BIG REPORTING TARGET. EVERYBODY IS WORKING HARD WHO’S EVERYBODY IS WORKING HARD WHO’S A NONPARTISAN REPORTER TRYING TO A NONPARTISAN REPORTER TRYING TO FIND THE FACTS. FIND THE FACTS. BUT A LOT OF FACTS STILL REMAIN BUT A LOT OF FACTS STILL REMAIN TO BE UNCOVERED. TO BE UNCOVERED.>>AND I THINK THAT PURSUIT OF>>AND I THINK THAT PURSUIT OF THE TRUTH, AS BOB’S COLLEAGUE THE TRUTH, AS BOB’S COLLEAGUE BOB WOODWARD SAYS, THE TRUTH BOB WOODWARD SAYS, THE TRUTH WILL EMERGE ABOUT THE NATURE OF WILL EMERGE ABOUT THE NATURE OF THAT RELATIONSHIP. THAT RELATIONSHIP.>>I THINK BOB AND ALL OF HIS>>I THINK BOB AND ALL OF HIS COLLEAGUES EVERY DAY FROM HERE COLLEAGUES EVERY DAY FROM HERE TO 2020, EVERY PRESSER, I DON’T TO 2020, EVERY PRESSER, I DON’T CARE WHAT IT’S ABOUT, IT’S NOT CARE WHAT IT’S ABOUT, IT’S NOT GOOD ENOUGH WHEN HE SAYS I BROKE GOOD ENOUGH WHEN HE SAYS I BROKE OFF MY RELATIONSHIP. OFF MY RELATIONSHIP. BY THE WAY, THIS WAS A MAN WHO BY THE WAY, THIS WAS A MAN WHO SAID I WAS FRIENDS WITH HIM FOR SAID I WAS FRIENDS WITH HIM FOR 15 YEARS. 15 YEARS.>>LET’S PUT IT UP.>>LET’S PUT IT UP. QUOTE, HE’S A LOT OF FUN TO BE QUOTE, HE’S A LOT OF FUN TO BE WITH. WITH. IT’S EVEN SAID HE LIKES IT’S EVEN SAID HE LIKES BEAUTIFUL WOMEN AS MUCH AS I DO. BEAUTIFUL WOMEN AS MUCH AS I DO. AND MANY OF THEM ARE ON THE AND MANY OF THEM ARE ON THE YOUNGER SIDE. YOUNGER SIDE. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, JEFFREY NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, JEFFREY ENJOYS THE SOCIAL LIFE. ENJOYS THE SOCIAL LIFE. EVEN THAT TO BOB COSTA’S POINT, EVEN THAT TO BOB COSTA’S POINT, 2002, TRUMP HAD KNOWLEDGE THAT 2002, TRUMP HAD KNOWLEDGE THAT EPSTEIN LIKED WOMEN WHO WERE, EPSTEIN LIKED WOMEN WHO WERE, QUOTE, ON THE YOUNGER SIDE. QUOTE, ON THE YOUNGER SIDE.>>HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU SEE>>HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU SEE HIM? HIM? WAS IT ONE? WAS IT ONE? WAS IT 100? WAS IT 100? WAS HE AT YOUR HOUSE? WAS HE AT YOUR HOUSE? MAKE HIM LIE. MAKE HIM LIE. I CAN TELL YOU ONE THING RIGHT I CAN TELL YOU ONE THING RIGHT NOW AS WE’RE SITTING HERE, MR. NOW AS WE’RE SITTING HERE, MR. EPSTEIN IS IN A LITTLE BOX EPSTEIN IS IN A LITTLE BOX SOMEWHERE SITTING, AND JOYCE SOMEWHERE SITTING, AND JOYCE VANCE TWEETED ABOUT THIS, WITH VANCE TWEETED ABOUT THIS, WITH THE SDNY AND THEY ARE SAYING WE THE SDNY AND THEY ARE SAYING WE WANT A COMPLETE OPERATION WANT A COMPLETE OPERATION AGREEMENT. AGREEMENT. ANYTHING YOU KNOW DID EVERYTHING ANYTHING YOU KNOW DID EVERYTHING ILLEGAL. ILLEGAL. THERE ARE A LOT OF POWERFUL MEN THERE ARE A LOT OF POWERFUL MEN I THINK HAVING SLEEPNESSLESS RIG I THINK HAVING SLEEPNESSLESS RIG BUT LET HIM GET ANGRY AND STOMP BUT LET HIM GET ANGRY AND STOMP OUT, WHATEVER. OUT, WHATEVER. KEEP PUTTING HIM AGAINST THE KEEP PUTTING HIM AGAINST THE WALL ON THIS. WALL ON THIS. BASED ON THAT ALONE, WE’RE NOT BASED ON THAT ALONE, WE’RE NOT ACCUSING MR. TRUMP OF EVERYTHING ACCUSING MR. TRUMP OF EVERYTHING BUT HIS ANSWER OF I BROKE OFF MY BUT HIS ANSWER OF I BROKE OFF MY FRIENDSHIP WITH HIM WAS NOT GOOD FRIENDSHIP WITH HIM WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. ENOUGH. WHAT WAS THAT FRIENDSHIP? WHAT WAS THAT FRIENDSHIP?>>FRANK FIGLIUZZI, YOU AGREE>>FRANK FIGLIUZZI, YOU AGREE WITH THAT? WITH THAT?>>OH, YEAH.>>OH, YEAH. HERE’S WHY PEOPLE ARE SWEATING HERE’S WHY PEOPLE ARE SWEATING THE ELECTRONIC DEVICE FORENSICS THE ELECTRONIC DEVICE FORENSICS THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW COMING OUT OF THE MOST RECENT COMING OUT OF THE MOST RECENT SEARCH OF EPSTEIN’S HOUSE IN NEW SEARCH OF EPSTEIN’S HOUSE IN NEW YORK AND PALM BEACH ARE GOING TO YORK AND PALM BEACH ARE GOING TO BE SCARY. BE SCARY. THEY’RE GOING TO FIND EVIDENCE THEY’RE GOING TO FIND EVIDENCE AND IT MIGHT BE OLD, IT MIGHT BE AND IT MIGHT BE OLD, IT MIGHT BE MORE CURRENT. MORE CURRENT. BUT THEY WILL FIND EVIDENCE BUT THEY WILL FIND EVIDENCE OTHERS WERE INVOLVED AND THE OTHERS WERE INVOLVED AND THE FULLER EXCEPT TO WHICH– EXTENT FULLER EXCEPT TO WHICH– EXTENT WHICH CHILDREN ARE BEING WHICH CHILDREN ARE BEING EXPLOITED. EXPLOITED. I ASK YOUR VIEWERS OF ANY VIDEO I ASK YOUR VIEWERS OF ANY VIDEO YOU PLAYED AND ASK YOURSELF S. YOU PLAYED AND ASK YOURSELF S. WITH THE UNDERSTANDING WITH THE UNDERSTANDING APPEARANCES COUNT, IS THIS THE APPEARANCES COUNT, IS THIS THE BEHAVIOR OF SOMEBODY ON THIS BEHAVIOR OF SOMEBODY ON THIS VIDEO WHO IS DISTANT, BARELY VIDEO WHO IS DISTANT, BARELY KNOWS THIS ACQUAINTANCE, OR IS KNOWS THIS ACQUAINTANCE, OR IS IT SOMEONE WHO FEELS QUITE IT SOMEONE WHO FEELS QUITE COMFORTABLE INTERACTING WITH COMFORTABLE INTERACTING WITH EPSTEIN, JOKING. EPSTEIN, JOKING. WHEN YOU’RE SEEING VIDEO — AND WHEN YOU’RE SEEING VIDEO — AND I HAVE SEEN THIS ON I HAVE SEEN THIS ON SURVEILLANCES, PEOPLE JOKING SURVEILLANCES, PEOPLE JOKING TOGETHER, LAUGHING IT UP, THOSE TOGETHER, LAUGHING IT UP, THOSE ARE PEOPLE WHO KNOW EACH OTHER ARE PEOPLE WHO KNOW EACH OTHER AND KNOW EACH OTHER WELL. AND KNOW EACH OTHER WELL. COMBINE IT WITH THE QUOTE YOU COMBINE IT WITH THE QUOTE YOU PUT UP, YEAH, HE LIKES THEM ON PUT UP, YEAH, HE LIKES THEM ON THE YOUNG SIDE, YOU HAVE TO ASK THE YOUNG SIDE, YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF, IS THIS PRESIDENT YOURSELF, IS THIS PRESIDENT KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT EPSTEIN’S KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT EPSTEIN’S ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR WITH CHILDREN? ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR WITH CHILDREN?>>I WANT TO ASK YOU A CULTURE>>I WANT TO ASK YOU A CULTURE QUESTION. QUESTION. BECAUSE I THINK THE CULTURE ON BECAUSE I THINK THE CULTURE ON DONALD TRUMP’S VIEWS ON WOMEN. DONALD TRUMP’S VIEWS ON WOMEN. PEOPLE SAY “ACCESS HOLLYWOOD” PEOPLE SAY “ACCESS HOLLYWOOD” HAPPENED BEFORE THE ELECTION. HAPPENED BEFORE THE ELECTION. PEOPLE KNEW WHAT THEY WERE PEOPLE KNEW WHAT THEY WERE GETTING. GETTING. THEY KNEW THEY WERE GETTING THEY KNEW THEY WERE GETTING SOMEONE WHO BELIEVED IF YOU’RE SOMEONE WHO BELIEVED IF YOU’RE FAMOUS, WOMEN CAN LET YOU DO FAMOUS, WOMEN CAN LET YOU DO EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. YOU CAN GRAB THEM IN THE BLEEP. YOU CAN GRAB THEM IN THE BLEEP. NOW WE KNOW AS RECENTLY AS THREE NOW WE KNOW AS RECENTLY AS THREE WEEKS AGO MEGHAN TULI FROM “THE WEEKS AGO MEGHAN TULI FROM “THE NEW YORK TIMES” SAT ON OUR SET NEW YORK TIMES” SAT ON OUR SET AND DESCRIBED A CREDIBLE RAPE AND DESCRIBED A CREDIBLE RAPE ACCUSATION FROM E. JEAN CARROLL ACCUSATION FROM E. JEAN CARROLL IN A DRESSING ROOM. IN A DRESSING ROOM. THIS IS A MAN ACCUSED OF SEXUAL THIS IS A MAN ACCUSED OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT, SEXUAL MISCONDUCT HARASSMENT, SEXUAL MISCONDUCT AND NOW RAPE BY MORE THAN A AND NOW RAPE BY MORE THAN A DOZEN WOMEN AND THIS IS AN DOZEN WOMEN AND THIS IS AN ASSOCIATION WITH AN ADMITTED ASSOCIATION WITH AN ADMITTED SELF-UL PREDATOR AND NOW SOMEONE SELF-UL PREDATOR AND NOW SOMEONE WHO’S ACCUSED OF SEX TRAFFICKING WHO’S ACCUSED OF SEX TRAFFICKING OF MINOR GIRLS. OF MINOR GIRLS. WHAT DOES THE CULTURE LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES THE CULTURE LOOK LIKE? HOW DO DEMOCRATS BEGIN TO TELL A HOW DO DEMOCRATS BEGIN TO TELL A POLITICAL STORY ABOUT THAT? POLITICAL STORY ABOUT THAT?>>I THINK IT’S CONNECTED IN>>I THINK IT’S CONNECTED IN IMPORTANT WAYS TO THE TWO OTHER IMPORTANT WAYS TO THE TWO OTHER BIG HEADLINES OF THE DAY, BIG HEADLINES OF THE DAY, NICOLLE. NICOLLE. THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK PROSECUTION OF MICHAEL YORK PROSECUTION OF MICHAEL COHEN AND INDIVIDUAL ONE WAS COHEN AND INDIVIDUAL ONE WAS FUNDAMENTALLY ABOUT HUSH MONEY FUNDAMENTALLY ABOUT HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO WOMEN, TO PAYMENTS TO WOMEN, TO PORNOGRAPHY STARS, TO ADULT FILM PORNOGRAPHY STARS, TO ADULT FILM ACTRESSES, TO COVER UP THE ACTRESSES, TO COVER UP THE RELATIONSHIP THEM HAD WITH RELATIONSHIP THEM HAD WITH DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE HE FEARED DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE HE FEARED IT WOULD HURT HIS ELECTION IT WOULD HURT HIS ELECTION CHANCES AND THOSE WERE ELECTION CHANCES AND THOSE WERE ELECTION LAW VIOLATIONS. LAW VIOLATIONS. AND SECOND, OF COURSE, THE WAY AND SECOND, OF COURSE, THE WAY HE TREATS WOMEN, MEMBERS OF HE TREATS WOMEN, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, ELECTED OFFICIALS, THE CONGRESS, ELECTED OFFICIALS, THE WAY HE SINGLES THEM OUT OR WAY HE SINGLES THEM OUT OR CRITICISM FOR RACIST TWEETS FOR CRITICISM FOR RACIST TWEETS FOR HIS OWN BRAND OF WHITE HIS OWN BRAND OF WHITE NATIONALISM. NATIONALISM. HERE WE HAVE A MAN ACROSS THE HERE WE HAVE A MAN ACROSS THE BOARD WHO IS NOT ONLY A BOARD WHO IS NOT ONLY A WOMANIZER, NOT ONLY A SERIAL WOMANIZER, NOT ONLY A SERIAL ABUSER OF WOMEN, HE’S ACCUSED ABUSER OF WOMEN, HE’S ACCUSED CREDIBLY OF ASSAULT, RAPE, CREDIBLY OF ASSAULT, RAPE, CRIMINALITY INVOLVING HIMSELF CRIMINALITY INVOLVING HIMSELF WITH SEX TRAFFICKING. WITH SEX TRAFFICKING. WHAT MORE DO WE NEED TO WHAT MORE DO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THIS UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THIS MAN’S CHARACTER? MAN’S CHARACTER?>>GLENN KIRSCHNER, I WILL GIVE>>GLENN KIRSCHNER, I WILL GIVE YOU THE LAST WORD. YOU THE LAST WORD.>>SO HERE’S THE GREAT UNKNOWN>>SO HERE’S THE GREAT UNKNOWN WHEN IT COMES TO HOW THE EPSTEIN WHEN IT COMES TO HOW THE EPSTEIN MATTER WILL PLAY OUT. MATTER WILL PLAY OUT. IT’S BILL BARR. IT’S BILL BARR. EPSTEIN HAS ALREADY BEEN THE EPSTEIN HAS ALREADY BEEN THE DOWNFALL OF SECRETARY OF LABOR DOWNFALL OF SECRETARY OF LABOR ACOSTA WHEN IT WAS EXPOSED THAT ACOSTA WHEN IT WAS EXPOSED THAT WHEN HE WAS U.S. ATTORNEY, HE WHEN HE WAS U.S. ATTORNEY, HE CUT THIS UGLY, UNPRECEDENTED CUT THIS UGLY, UNPRECEDENTED NON-PROSECUTION AGREEMENT ON NON-PROSECUTION AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF EPSTEIN. BEHALF OF EPSTEIN. IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS DRAFTED BY IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS DRAFTED BY AN EPSTEIN PUBLIC RELATIONS AN EPSTEIN PUBLIC RELATIONS FLAK, TO GOODNESS SAKE. FLAK, TO GOODNESS SAKE. SO IN THE NORMAL PROSECUTORIAL SO IN THE NORMAL PROSECUTORIAL WORLD, WE WOULD NOW BE LOOKING WORLD, WE WOULD NOW BE LOOKING AT THE EPSTEIN PROSECUTION BEING AT THE EPSTEIN PROSECUTION BEING RUN OUT OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT RUN OUT OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AND THINK OKAY, OF NEW YORK AND THINK OKAY, THEY’VE GOT THE GOODS. THEY’VE GOT THE GOODS. THEY’RE GOING TO DETAIN HIM. THEY’RE GOING TO DETAIN HIM. THEY’RE GOING TO GO AT HIM HARD. THEY’RE GOING TO GO AT HIM HARD. MAYBE CONSIDER BRINGING HIM ON MAYBE CONSIDER BRINGING HIM ON AS A COOPERATOR SO HE CAN EXPOSE AS A COOPERATOR SO HE CAN EXPOSE EVERYBODY ELSE WHO WAS INVOLVED EVERYBODY ELSE WHO WAS INVOLVED IN HIS UGLY, UNSEEMLY SEX RING. IN HIS UGLY, UNSEEMLY SEX RING. BUT BILL BARR IS OVER THE TOP OF BUT BILL BARR IS OVER THE TOP OF AND HAS COMMAND AND CONTROL OVER AND HAS COMMAND AND CONTROL OVER THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, AND THAT INJECTS SO MUCH YORK, AND THAT INJECTS SO MUCH UNCERTAINTY AND SO MUCH

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PLAN B READY AND WAITING.>>HAVE A GOOD SHOW.>>>THANKS TO YOU AT HOME FOR JOINING US THIS HOUR. OKAY. IF YOU DRIVE NORTH FROM SAN FRANCISCO YOU CROSS THE GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE YOU WILL FIND YOURSELF ON HIGHWAY 101 HEADED INTO THE NORTHERN PART OF CALIFORNIA. AND IF YOU KEEP GOING STRAIGHT UP THE HIGHWAY, 120 MILES UP HIGHWAY 101 FROM SAN FRANCISCO YOU GET TO A PLACE CALLED UKIAH. 33 YEARS AGO ON HIGHWAY 101 JUST OUTSIDE UKIAH, THERE WAS AN A ARMORED TRUCK TRAVELING UP THAT HIGHWAY IN BROAD DAYLIGHT AND THE TRUCK GOT AMBUSHED. IT WAS A PORTION OF THE HIGHWAY ON AN UPHILL CLIMB. IT WAS FULLY LOADED, HAD TO SLOW DOWN AS IT WAS CHUGGING UP THE INCLINE AND THAT’S WHEN THE ROBBERS STRUCK. THERE WERE OTHER DRIVERS WHO SAW IT HAPPEN. THAT WAS IN BROAD DAYLIGHT AND THEY DESCRIBED A PROFESSIONAL OPERATION. TWO PICKUP TRUCKS WERE INVOLVED. ONCE THE ARMORED CAR STARTED TO SLOW DOWN ON THE UPHILL CLIMB, ONE OF THE PICKUP TRUCKS PULLED IN RIGHT BEHIND IT AND ANOTHER PICKUP TRUCK PULLED RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT. ONE RIGHT BEHIND AND ONE RIGHT IN FRONT BOXING IN THE ARMORED CAR. AND THEN IN WHAT APPEARED TO BE A WELL-COORDINATED ACTION, GUYS WITH GUNS LEANED OUT OF THE TWO PICKUP TRUCKS AND THEY SHOT OUT THE TIRES OF THE ARMORED CAR. AND THAT FORCED THE ARMORED CAR TO A STOP. THERE WERE REPORTEDLY SIX AGAIN MEN ALL TOGETHER. ALL OF THEM HAD THEIR FACES COVERED. WITH BANDANAS OR SKI MASKS. THREE GUYS IN EACH OF THE TWO PICKUP TRUCKS. AAFTER THEY BROUGHT THE CAR TO A HALT, THEY USED HIGH POWERED GUNS TO SHOOT OUT THE REINFORCED GLASS ON THE ARMORED VEHICLE AND THAT’S HOW THEY GOT INSIDE OF IT. THEY GOT THE DOORS OPEN AND THEY TOOK OFF WITH 10 TO 15 HEAVY BAGS FULL OF LOOT. IT WAS ALL WITNESSED BY OTHER PEOPLE ON THE HIGHWAY. BROAD DAYLIGHT. THEY DROVE UP 101 IN THESE TWO PICKUP TRUCKS, DUMPED THEM NEARBY AND GOT IN ANOTHER VEHICLE AND SPED OFF. IT WAS FAST, IT WAS PROFESSIONAL. I WAS A VERY HEAVILY ARMED OPERATION. AND IT TURNS OUT THEY GOT A HUGE HAUL FROM THAT ONE ARMORED CAR HEIST. $3.6 MILLION IN CASH FROM THAT ONE ARMORED CAR. AND SOME OF THE MONEY DISAPPEARED, WAS NEVER ACCOUNTED FOR AGAIN. BUT WHEN THE GOVERNMENT FILED ITS INDICTMENT THE FOLLOWING YEAR AFTER THE GANG THAT HAD PULLED OFF THAT HEIST ON HIGHWAY 101 IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA, THE GOVERNMENT IN ITS FILINGS SAID THAT THEY HAD BEEN ABLE TO TRACE SOME OF THE CASH THAT WAS STOLEN FROM THAT ARMORED CAR IN UKIAH. AND THE LIST OF WHERE THAT MONEY WENT CHANGED EVERYTHING. $300,000 WENT TO A PARTICULARLY VEER LENT AND VIOLENT CHAPTER OF THE KU KLUX KLAN IN NORTH CAROLINA, ANOTHER CLAN LEADER IN CALIFORNIA GOT $250,000, THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE, A NAZI GROUPED BASED IN WASHINGTON, D.C., THEY GOT $50,000, THE ARIAN NATIONS UP IN NORTHERN IDAHO, THEY GOT $40,000. THAT ONE HEIST, THAT UKIAH ARMORED CAR HEIST, IT WASN’T JUST A HUGE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR ROBBERY. IT WAS ALSO SUPPOSED TO FUND THE START OF THE NEXT CIVIL WAR IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THE GUYS WHO ROBBED THAT ARMORED CAR ON HIGHWAY 101 BACK IN 1984, THEY WERE PART OF A NEO-NAZI GANG THAT CALLED ITSELF THE ORDER. AND THE ORDER IS BEST REMEMBERED NOW FOR HAVING ASSASSINATED THIS MAN, A JEWISH TALK RADIO HOST IN 1984, A MAN NAMED ALAN BERG. BUT MOST OF THE CRIMES COMMITTED BY THE ORDER WEREN’T JUST MURDER ANASSASSINATION WHICH WE REMEMBER THEM FOR NOW. MOST OF THEIR CRIMES WERE ABOUT MONEY. WHEN THEY ROBBED ARMORED CARS AND VIDEO STORES AND ROBBED BANKS, ALL OF THESE ROBBERIES THAT THEY COMMITTED ALL UP AND DOWN THE WEST COAST, THEY WERE ALL DESIGNED TO COLLECT CASH TO ARM AND FUND A VIOLENT MOVEMENT THAT WAS GOING TO WAGE A RACE WAR IN AMERICA, CREATING A WHITE’S ONLY HOMELAND IN THE UNITED STATES. AND THESE GUYS IN THIS GANG, THE ORDER, THEY WEREN’T THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAD THAT IDEA AT THE TIME. A YEAR AFTER THE ORDER WAS INDICTED AND THE WHOLE GANG WENT ON TRIAL, IT WAS A MARRIED COUPLE IN WYOMING, A MARRIED COUPLEED THIS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND TOOK HOSTAGES. THEY TOOK 150 KIDS AND TEACHERS HOSTAGE. IN EXCHANGE FOR THE LIVES OF ALL OF THOSE KIDS AND TEACHERS, THE COUPLE DEMANDED A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR RANSOM THAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD USE TO FINANCE A WHITE SUPREMACIST REF REVOLUTION. THE COUPLE THAT TOOK ALL OF THE KIDS AND TEACHERS HOSTAGE, THEY BROUGHT IN BOMBS, HOMEMADE GASOLINE BOMBS. A BUNCH OF THE KIDS THAT THEY TOOK HOSTAGE ENDED UP GETTING BURNED. BUT THE ONLY TWO WHO DIED THAT DAY WERE THE TWO HOSTAGE TAKERS. THROUGHOUT THE 1980s INTO THE 1990s IS THERE WERE REGULAR WHITE SUPREMACIST MEETINGS, THE ARIAN NATIONS CONGRESSING UP IN NORTHERN IDAHO. THEY HELD A BIG PIECE OF LAND UP THERE UNTIL THINGS STARTED TO FALL APART FOR THEM IN 1988. A BUNCH OF THE ARIAN NATIONS SECURITY GUARDS WERE OUT PATROLLING WHILE DRUNK ONE NIGHT. THEY ENDED UP BEATING UP AND SHOOTING AT A NAY TIFF AMERICAN MOM AND HER SON WHO HAD THE MISFORTUNE TO PASS BY WHILE THE DRUNK NAZI GUARDS WERE OUT PATROLLING THE PERIMETER OF THAT ARIAN NATIONS LAND. THE LAWSUIT WAS BOUGHT ON BHOOF OF THE WOMAN AND HER SON AND IN THAT LEGAL STRATEGY THEY BASICALLY CAME UP WITH A WAY TOO BANKRUPT THE NAZIS INTO LOSING THAT LAND IN NORTHERN IDAHO. THEY WERE FORCED TO VACATE AND THE TOWN’S FIRE DEPARTMENT GOT PRACTICE AND SATISFACTION ON BURNING DOWN ALL OF THE SENATE ZI’S BUILDINGS ONE BY ONE AFTER THEY HAD BEEN EVICTED VIA THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS A STUBBORN PROBLEM WITH NEO-NAZIISM AND OVERT VIOLENT WHITE SUPREMACY. IT ALWAYS SEEMS AMAZING WHEN IT SURFACES BUT WE’VE ALWAYS HAD IT. AND OVER I’M THEY GO THROUGH RIDICULOUS AND SELF IMPORTANT NAMES AND ITERATIONS AND PATTERNS OF SYMBOLIC BEHAVIOR, RIGHT. BUT OVER TIME IT’S ALL THE SAME BASIC IDEA AND AT ITS CORE IT’S ALWAYS VIOLENT. IT’S THE ORDER. IT’S THE CLAN. IT’S THE ARIAN NATIONS. THE CHRISTIAN IDENTITY MOVEMENT. NOW THEY WANT TO BE CALLED THE ALT-RIGHT. OKAY, WHATEVER. THEIR IDEAS ARE NOT NEW. THEIR VIOLENCE IS NOT NEW. AS A COUNTRY WE’VE WEATHERED EXTREME INCIDENTS OF THEIR VIOLENCE. THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING IN 1985 KILLED 168 PEOPLE, INCLUDING DOZENS OF KIDS, BROUGHT DOWN A FEDERAL BUILDING. TODAY A 23-YEAR-OLD EXTREMIST FROM OKLAHOMA HAS BEEN ARRAIGNED FROM TRYING TO BLOW UP A BANK IN NEW YORK CITY TO FOLLOW IN TIM THINK MCVEIGH’S FOOTSTEPS. IN 2012 A KNEE NEO-NAZI, IN WISCONSIN, SHOT AND KILLED SIX PEOPLE IN THE TRUMP L. IN 2015 ANOTHER WHITE SUPREMACIST SHOT AND KILLED NINE PEOPLE, SHOT AND WOUNDED THREE OTHERS AT AN LANDMARK AFRICAN-AMERICAN CHURCH IN SOUTH CAROLINA. HE SAID HIS MOTIVE WAS THEY WERE HOPING TO START A RACE WAR. THEY’RE ALL HOPING TO START A RACE WAR. THEY’RE ALWAYS TRYING TO DO THAT. THIS IS A PERSISTENT INFECTION IN WHITE AMERICAN CULTURE AND IT CAN BE QUITE FATAL. AND WHAT I’VE LEARNED OVER THE COURSE OF MY 44 YEARS IS THAT THIS INFECTION IN MODERN AMERICAN WHITE CULTURE DOESN’T GET BETTER OVER TIME. AND APPARENTLY IT NEVER GOES AWAY. WE ARE HAVING A PARTICULARLY BAD OUTBREAK OF IT RIGHT NOW, THIS YEAR. FEBRUARY, KANSAS, TWO INDIAN ENGINEERS SHOT IN A BARBIE A GUY WHO WAS SCREAMING RACIAL AND RELIGIOUS SLURS AT THEM. ONE OF THE ENGINEERS WAS KILLED, ANOTHER WAS WOUNDED AS WAS A BYSTANDER WHO TRIED TO TO SAVE THEM, IN FEBRUARY. THEN IN MARCH, MANHATTAN, A 66-YEAR-OLD AFRICAN-AMERICAN MAN MINDING HIS OWN BUSINESS, WALKING DOWN THE STREET, ATTACKED AND STABBED TO DEATH BY A WHITE MAN WITH A SWORD WHO DROVE TO NEW YORK CITY FROM MARYLAND SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THAT’S WHERE HE THOUGHT HI COULD GET THE MOST MEDIA ATTENTION FOR HIS PLOT TO KILL RAD COME BLACK MEN ON THE STREET. IN MAY, PORTLAND, OREGON O, TWO GIRLS ON A COMMUTER TRAINED SUBJECTED TO ABUSE BY A GUY SCREAMING AT THEM AND THREATENING THEM, PASSERS BY INTERVENE ON BEHALF OF THE GIRLS, ONE OF THEM GET KILLED. THAT HAPPENED AT THE SAME WEEK THAT THIS YOUNG MAN WAS STABBED AND KILLED THREE DAYS BEFORE HE WAS DUE TO GRADUATE JUST AFTER HE HADS BEEN COMMISSIONED AS A SECOND LIEUTENANT IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY. THE YOUNG WHITE STUDENT WHO KILLED HIM WAS A MEMBER OF HARD CORE RIGHT WING ONLINE GROUPS. AND THIS WEEKEND, CHARLOTTESVILLE, VIRGINIA, A WHITE SUPREMACIST MARCH AND RALLY IS FOLLOWED THE NEXT MAN BY DESCRIBED AS A NAZI SYMPATHIZER, DRIVING HIS CAR INTO A CROWD KILLING ONE, INJURING 19 OTHERS. WE ARE EXPERIENCING SOMETHING RIGHT NEW THAT IS NOT NEW BUT WE ARE HAVING A PARTICULARLY BAD OUTBREAK OF IT THIS YEAR. IF YOU’RE COGNIZANT AND HISTORY OF THE STUFF WE’VE GOT TO CONTEND WITH IN THIS COUNTRY WITH THIS AMERICAN CULTURE AND POLITICS, THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT I THINK ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN THIS PARTICULAR OUTBREAK WE’RE HAVING OF VIOLENT WHITE SO SPREM SCHISM. WE’VE GOT TWO THINGS GOING ON THAT ARE UNUSUAL AND UNPRECEDENTED. THAT JUST MEANS IT’S HARD TO PREDICT WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT. EVEN WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS HAS PROCEEDED IN THIS PAST, THERE ARE TWO THINGS IN WHAT’S GOING ON RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE DIFFERENT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT’S DIFFERENT IS VERY PRACTICAL AND ONE OF THEM ISS POLITICAL. THE PRACTICAL DIFFERENCE IS IT’S A VERY VERY GRANULAR THING BUT IT MAY END UP BEING IMPORTANT. IT’S THE PUBLIC IDENTIFYABILITY OF THE PARTICIPANTS. ROBBING A BRINGS TRUCK IN 1984, THOSE GUYS WAR SKI MASKS. IN HAYDEN LAKE, IDAHO, THAT WAS SO FAR OFF THE GRID THAT THEY FELT COMFORTABLE MAKING THEIR HOMELAND OND OFF THE GRID BECAU NOBODY COULD FIND THEM. IN WHITE POWER CULTURE AND MUSIC AND GANGS, THERE’S ALWAYS AN ELEMENT OF COVERT ORGANIZING. RIGHT? THAT’S WHAT THE HOODS ARE ALL ABOUT. BUT WHEN THESE GUYS ALL TURNED UP AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA ON FRIDAY NIGHT, YES, IT WAS THE DIAGRAM OVERLAP BETWEEN STUPID AND THREATENING THAT THEY’RE ALL STAND TLG IN TORCHLIGHT. THEY’RE ALL STANDING THERE HOLDING HARDWARE STORE TEE KEY TORCHES WHILE YELLING THEIR NAZI SLOGANS. HOWEVER YOU FELT ABOUT THAT EMOTIONALLY SEEING IT, THOSE TORCHES ALWAYS MADE FOR SOME REALLY GOOD LIGHTING IN TERMS OF SEEING WHAT THOSE GUYS ALL LOOK LIKE. AND THERE WAS, HONESTLY, WITH CELL PHONE TECHNOLOGY AND THE WAY WE COVE OUR INTERACTIONS, THERE WAS ONE CAMERA THERE FOR EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING ON SIGHT YELLING NAZI SLOGANS AND CARRYING A TORCH. AND BECAUSE OF ALL OF THOSE RECOGNIZABLE FACES, THERE HAS AN BEEN INTERESTING SIDE BAR OF NEWS WHERE THE NEO-NAZISAZIS AN WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND SEPARATISTS WHO SHOWED UP ON TAP AT THE RALLY, THERE’S AN INTERESTING IN SIDE BAR IN THE NEWS WHERE YOU SEE THEM ALL PLUZING THEIR JOBS TODAY OR BEING DENOUNCED FROM THEIR FAMILIES OR HAVING TO EXPLAIN TO THEIR COLLEGE CAMPUSES WHO THEY ARE, WHAT THEY REALLY THINK AND WHAT THEY’RE DOING THERE. THAT’S A PRAK DAL SOMEWHAT SMALL GRANULAR THING BUT THAT WILL BECOME AN ONGOING WILD CARD FOR THIS MOVEMENT AND FOR THIS ONGOING VIOLENT SCOURGE IN THE UNITED STATES THAT WE FACED FOR SO LONG. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO SHOWED UP AT THAT TORCH LITERALLY FRIDAY NIGHT WILL BE FOREVER IDENTIFIABLE AS SOMEONE WHO SHOWED UP. THEY WERE ALL VERY WELL LIT. THEY WERE ALL VERY VERY WELL PHOTOGRAPHED. ANYBODY WHO WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, FLIRTING WITH WHITE SUPREMACY, BECAUSE IT’S THE HOT NEW THING IN CONSERVATIVE POLITICS IN THE TRUMP ERA, ANYBODY WHO WAS THERE ON A WHIM WHO IS FINDING THEMSELVES AND WONDERING IF THEY’RE MAYBE A NAZI, THEY WILL FIND FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE THAT THEY’RE IDENTIFIED AS A NEOSENATE ZI OR A WHITE SUPREMACIST FOR HAVING BEEN AT THAT EVENT. NONE OF THEM WILL BE ABLE TO CHANGE THAT. YOU THINK HAVING AN EMBARRASSING FACEBOOK FEED IS GOING TO AFFECT YOUR ABILITY TO GET JOBS AFTER GRAD SCHOOL. IMAGINE WHAT IT’S GOING TO DO FOR TO YOU FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE IF YOU’RE WELL LIT ON CAMERA, WELL DEFINED, IDENTIFIABLE AND NAMED AS HAVING BEEN ONE OF THE NAMES SCREAMING NAZI SALUTES AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA 2017. AND THAT ORGANIZED STRATEGY TO HAVE BEEN DONE IT BY TORCHLIGHT, IT MAY HAVE BEEN GENIUS ON PART OF THE ORGANIZER TO LOCK IN A LIFELONG COMMITMENT TO QUIT LITERALLY SHOW THEIR FACES AT THAT EVENT ON FRIDAY NIGHT. THEY’RE NOW IN IT FOR LIFE. SO THAT’S ONE WILD CARD. THAT IS EGITIMATELY NEW IN TERMS OF HOW THE MOVEMENTS HAVE OPERATED IN MODERN HISTORY. THAT’S THE PRACTICAL THING. THE POLITICAL THING, THE OTHER THING THAT’S NEW HERE IS OF COURSE FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER IN MODERN AMERICAN HISTORY THESE GUYS THINK THEY HAVE A CHAMPION NOT JUST IN POLITICS BUT IN MAINSTREAM POLITICS. DAVID DUKE RAN FOR GOVERNOR IN LOUISIANA AND THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A HOUSE MEMBER HER OAR THERE WHO WAS WILLING TO ASSOCIATE HIMSELF OR HERSELF WITH THE MALITIA MOVEMENT OR FLIRT WITH EXTREMES. BUT WE’VE NEVER HAD THE VIOLENT RIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY ASSOCIATE THEMSELVES SO OPENLY AND SO LOVINGLY WITH A SERVING PRESIDENT. AND THERE’S BEEN A LOT OF TALK TODAY AND OVER THE WEEKEND ABOUT WHAT THAT ASSOCIATION MEANS FOR THIS PRESIDENT AND HOW THIS PRESIDENT TALKS ABOUT THAT MOVEMENT. BUT IT’S WORTH LOOKING AT WHAT THAT CONNECTION TO A PRESIDENCY MEANS FOR THESE NEO-NAZIS. WHAT IT MEANS FOR THIS THING WE CAN’T GET RID OF, THIS PERSISTENT SOURCE OF VIOLENCE AND EXTREMISM AND TERRORISM IN AMERICAN CULTURE. WE’VE SEEN THAT SUBCULTURE WREAK SHAF ROCK EVERY DECADE WE’VE EXISTED AS A COUNTRY. WE’VE NEVER SEEN ONE ALIGN WITH A SITTING U.S. PR

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PROBLEM NOW? THIS IS OUR LIFE NOW. THIS IS OUR LIFE NOW. ANYWAY, LET’S TALK ABOUT ANYWAY, LET’S TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. SOMETHING ELSE. LET’S TALK ABOUT THE FEDERAL LET’S TALK ABOUT THE FEDERAL COURTS. COURTS. MOST FEDERAL COURT CASES DON’T MOST FEDERAL COURT CASES DON’T GET TO THE SUPREME COURT, RIGHT? GET TO THE SUPREME COURT, RIGHT? THE SUPREME COURT GETS ALL THE THE SUPREME COURT GETS ALL THE ATTENTION BUT THEY DON’T GET ATTENTION BUT THEY DON’T GET THAT MANY CASES. THAT MANY CASES. EVERY YEAR THE SUPREME COURT EVERY YEAR THE SUPREME COURT GETS ASKED TO TAKE 5,000 OR GETS ASKED TO TAKE 5,000 OR 10,000 CASES. 10,000 CASES. THEY ONLY TAKE ABOUT 100 OF THEY ONLY TAKE ABOUT 100 OF THEM, MAYBE 150 OF THEM IN A THEM, MAYBE 150 OF THEM IN A PARTICULARLY BUSY YEAR. PARTICULARLY BUSY YEAR. SO IF YOUR CASE IS IN FEDERAL SO IF YOUR CASE IS IN FEDERAL COURT, ANY KIND OF CASE, THAT COURT, ANY KIND OF CASE, THAT WILL BE BEFORE A FEDERAL WILL BE BEFORE A FEDERAL DISTRICT COURT JUDGE. DISTRICT COURT JUDGE. IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE RULING IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE RULING THAT DISTRICT COURT JUDGE GIVES THAT DISTRICT COURT JUDGE GIVES YOU AND YOU WANT TO PEEL THAT YOU AND YOU WANT TO PEEL THAT RULING, YOUR APPEAL GETS KICKED RULING, YOUR APPEAL GETS KICKED UPSTAIRS TO THE FEDERAL APPEALS UPSTAIRS TO THE FEDERAL APPEALS COURT, WHICH IS CALLED THE COURT, WHICH IS CALLED THE CIRCUIT COURT. CIRCUIT COURT. THERE’S ABOUT A DOZEN CIRCUIT THERE’S ABOUT A DOZEN CIRCUIT COURTS AROUND THE COUNTRY. COURTS AROUND THE COUNTRY. THEY’RE REGIONAL COURTS. THEY’RE REGIONAL COURTS. AND IF THE CIRCUIT COURT DECIDES AND IF THE CIRCUIT COURT DECIDES THAT THEY’RE GOING TO TAKE UP THAT THEY’RE GOING TO TAKE UP YOUR APPEAL IN YOUR FEDERAL YOUR APPEAL IN YOUR FEDERAL CASE, IT WILL BE CIRCUIT COURT CASE, IT WILL BE CIRCUIT COURT JUDGES THAT REVIEW YOUR CASE. JUDGES THAT REVIEW YOUR CASE. FOR THE VAST, VAFLTST, VAST, VAS FOR THE VAST, VAFLTST, VAST, VAS VAST MAJORITY OF FEDERAL COURT VAST MAJORITY OF FEDERAL COURT CASES, THAT IS AS FAR AS YOU ARE CASES, THAT IS AS FAR AS YOU ARE EVER LIKELY TO GO. EVER LIKELY TO GO. EVEN IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE EVEN IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE CIRCUIT COURT RULING THAT YOU CIRCUIT COURT RULING THAT YOU GET AND IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT GET AND IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT FURTHER AND APPEAL IT ALL THE FURTHER AND APPEAL IT ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT, YOU WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT, YOU ARE STATISTICALLY SPEAKING ARE STATISTICALLY SPEAKING REALLY NOT LIKELY TO GET THERE. REALLY NOT LIKELY TO GET THERE. FOR FEDERAL CASES, I MEAN IF FOR FEDERAL CASES, I MEAN IF YOU’RE GOING TO GET ANYWHERE, YOU’RE GOING TO GET ANYWHERE, THE CIRCUIT COURT IS ALMOST THE CIRCUIT COURT IS ALMOST ALWAYS THE END OF THE LINE. ALWAYS THE END OF THE LINE. THE SUPREME COURT, AGAIN, GETS THE SUPREME COURT, AGAIN, GETS ALL THE ATTENTION BUT IT’S THESE ALL THE ATTENTION BUT IT’S THESE FEDERAL APPEALS COURTS, THESE FEDERAL APPEALS COURTS, THESE CIRCUIT COURTS THAT DO THE VAST CIRCUIT COURTS THAT DO THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE APPELLATE WORK MAJORITY OF THE APPELLATE WORK IN THE FEDERAL SYSTEM. IN THE FEDERAL SYSTEM. SO THESE CIRCUIT COURTS ARE SO THESE CIRCUIT COURTS ARE REALLY POWERFUL. REALLY POWERFUL. THEY’RE REALLY IMPORTANT. THEY’RE REALLY IMPORTANT. THEY’RE IMPORTANT FOR INDIVIDUAL THEY’RE IMPORTANT FOR INDIVIDUAL HUMANS, INDIVIDUAL CASES BUT HUMANS, INDIVIDUAL CASES BUT ALSO BIG POLICY MATTERS THAT END ALSO BIG POLICY MATTERS THAT END UP IN THE COURTS FOR ONE REASON UP IN THE COURTS FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER. OR ANOTHER. THE CIRCUIT COURTS ARE THE THE CIRCUIT COURTS ARE THE HIGHEST THAT THE VAST MAJORITY HIGHEST THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE CASES WILL EVER GO. OF THOSE CASES WILL EVER GO. CIRCUIT COURTS ARE ALSO CIRCUIT COURTS ARE ALSO IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE JUDGES IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE JUDGES THAT SIT ON THEM. THAT SIT ON THEM. THE CIRCUIT COURTS ARE THE THE CIRCUIT COURTS ARE THE LOCATION FROM WHICH PRESIDENTS LOCATION FROM WHICH PRESIDENTS OF BOTH PARTIES LIKE TO PLUCK OF BOTH PARTIES LIKE TO PLUCK YOUNG PROMISING APPEALS COURT YOUNG PROMISING APPEALS COURT JUDGES WHEN THEY’RE LOOKING FOR JUDGES WHEN THEY’RE LOOKING FOR A SUPREME COURT NOMINEE. A SUPREME COURT NOMINEE. SO CIRCUIT COURT JUDGES HAVE AN SO CIRCUIT COURT JUDGES HAVE AN IMPORTANT JOB. IMPORTANT JOB. THEY ALSO PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY THEY ALSO PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY ARE YOUNG AND FIRST NOMINATED, ARE YOUNG AND FIRST NOMINATED, THEY’RE REALLY IMPORTANT THEY’RE REALLY IMPORTANT DECISIONS FOR PRESIDENTS BECAUSE DECISIONS FOR PRESIDENTS BECAUSE THOSE ARE SEEN AS THE SORT OF THOSE ARE SEEN AS THE SORT OF BENCH FROM WHICH SUPREME COURT BENCH FROM WHICH SUPREME COURT NOMINEES ARE CHOSEN. NOMINEES ARE CHOSEN. AND ONE OF THE MOST AND ONE OF THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL BUT ALSO MOST CONSEQUENTIAL BUT ALSO MOST BORING POLITICAL STORIES OF THE BORING POLITICAL STORIES OF THE TRUMP ERA, THE TRUMP ERA AND THE TRUMP ERA, THE TRUMP ERA AND THE McCONNELL ERA, IS THAT THE TOP McCONNELL ERA, IS THAT THE TOP REPUBLICAN IN THE U.S. SENATE, REPUBLICAN IN THE U.S. SENATE, MITCH McCONNELL, NOT ONLY HELD A MITCH McCONNELL, NOT ONLY HELD A SUPREME COURT SEAT OPEN DURING SUPREME COURT SEAT OPEN DURING THE OBAMA PRESIDENCY, SO THE OBAMA PRESIDENCY, SO PRESIDENT OBAMA WOULDN’T BE PRESIDENT OBAMA WOULDN’T BE ALLOWED TO FILL A VACANCY ON THE ALLOWED TO FILL A VACANCY ON THE SUPREME COURT, MITCH McCONNELL SUPREME COURT, MITCH McCONNELL ALSO HELD OPEN DOZENS AND DOZENS ALSO HELD OPEN DOZENS AND DOZENS AND DOZENS OF OTHER SEATS ON AND DOZENS OF OTHER SEATS ON FEDERAL COURTS ACROSS THE FEDERAL COURTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING DOZENS OF COUNTRY, INCLUDING DOZENS OF SEATS ON THESE VERY IMPORTANT SEATS ON THESE VERY IMPORTANT CIRCUIT COURTS, THESE APPEALS CIRCUIT COURTS, THESE APPEALS COURTS, SO PRESIDENT OBAMA COURTS, SO PRESIDENT OBAMA COULDN’T FILL THOSE SEATS COULDN’T FILL THOSE SEATS EITHER. EITHER. AND MITCH McCONNELL DID THAT AND MITCH McCONNELL DID THAT SPECIFICALLY SO THE NEXT SPECIFICALLY SO THE NEXT REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT COULD REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT COULD APPOINT THOSE JUDGES INSTEAD. APPOINT THOSE JUDGES INSTEAD. AND THAT IS HOW WE GOT TO THE AND THAT IS HOW WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE TWO SOMETHING YEARS POINT WHERE TWO SOMETHING YEARS INTO HIS TIME IN OFFICE, INTO HIS TIME IN OFFICE, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS CLOSING IN PRESIDENT TRUMP IS CLOSING IN ALREADY ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ALREADY ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CIRCUIT COURT JUDGES THAT CIRCUIT COURT JUDGES THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS EVER ABLE TO PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS EVER ABLE TO APPOINT IN HIS WHOLE EIGHT YEARS APPOINT IN HIS WHOLE EIGHT YEARS IN THE WHITE HOUSE. IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THEY JUST DIDN’T LET OBAMA THEY JUST DIDN’T LET OBAMA APPOINT JUDGES. APPOINT JUDGES. THEY HELD THOSE SEATS OPEN ON THEY HELD THOSE SEATS OPEN ON FEDERAL COURTS, INCLUDING THE FEDERAL COURTS, INCLUDING THE APPEALS COURTS, THESE CIRCUIT APPEALS COURTS, THESE CIRCUIT COURTS, AND NOW BECAUSE THEY COURTS, AND NOW BECAUSE THEY HELD THEM OPEN THROUGHOUT HELD THEM OPEN THROUGHOUT OBAMA’S PRESIDENCY, NOW TRUMP IS OBAMA’S PRESIDENCY, NOW TRUMP IS VERY QUICKLY FILLING THEM UP AND VERY QUICKLY FILLING THEM UP AND THESE ARE LIFETIME APPOINTMENTS. THESE ARE LIFETIME APPOINTMENTS. AS I SAID, THIS IS A HUGE, SUPER AS I SAID, THIS IS A HUGE, SUPER CONSEQUENTIAL AND OFTEN VERY CONSEQUENTIAL AND OFTEN VERY BORING STORY OF THE TRUMP AND BORING STORY OF THE TRUMP AND MITCH McCONNELL ERA. MITCH McCONNELL ERA. EXCEPT FOR THE DAYS WHEN IT IS EXCEPT FOR THE DAYS WHEN IT IS NOT BORING. NOT BORING. PART OF THE WAY THE REPUBLICAN PART OF THE WAY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BOTH IN THE WHITE HOUSE PARTY BOTH IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND IN THE SENATE HAS HANDLED AND IN THE SENATE HAS HANDLED THIS GREAT POWER THAT THEY HAVE THIS GREAT POWER THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN THEMSELVES BY MANIPULATING GIVEN THEMSELVES BY MANIPULATING THE JUDICIARY THIS WAY, PART OF THE JUDICIARY THIS WAY, PART OF THE WAY THEY HAVE DEALT WITH THE WAY THEY HAVE DEALT WITH THIS POWER IS THEY HAVE BEEN A THIS POWER IS THEY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE PUNCH DRUNK WITH IT. LITTLE PUNCH DRUNK WITH IT. AND WITH PRETTY GOOD FREQUENCY AND WITH PRETTY GOOD FREQUENCY THEY HAVE APPOINTED WILDLY THEY HAVE APPOINTED WILDLY UNQUALIFIED PEOPLE TO TRY TO UNQUALIFIED PEOPLE TO TRY TO BECOME FEDERAL JUDGES, INCLUDING BECOME FEDERAL JUDGES, INCLUDING SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE LITERALLY SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE LITERALLY EXPLICITLY RATED UNQUALIFIED BY EXPLICITLY RATED UNQUALIFIED BY THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION. THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION. I MEAN THEY HAVE NOMINATED I MEAN THEY HAVE NOMINATED PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER TRIED A PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER TRIED A CASE, PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN CASE, PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY WAY IN INVOLVED IN ANY WAY IN LITIGATION, LITERALLY PEOPLE WHO LITIGATION, LITERALLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER STEPPED FOOT IN A HAVE NEVER STEPPED FOOT IN A COURTROOM, THEY HAVE APPOINTED COURTROOM, THEY HAVE APPOINTED TO LIFETIME ROLES ON THE FEDERAL TO LIFETIME ROLES ON THE FEDERAL BENCH. BENCH. AT ONE POINT THEY TRIED TO AT ONE POINT THEY TRIED TO NOMINATE A GUY WHO WAS A FAMOUS NOMINATE A GUY WHO WAS A FAMOUS GHOST HUNTER. GHOST HUNTER. SURE, HE WAS MARRIED TO SOMEBODY SURE, HE WAS MARRIED TO SOMEBODY WHO WORKED IN THE WHITE HOUSE. WHO WORKED IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THEY FIGURED THAT WAS GOOD THEY FIGURED THAT WAS GOOD ENOUGH. ENOUGH. THEY ALSO GAVE A LIFETIME THEY ALSO GAVE A LIFETIME APPOINTMENT TO LOUISIANA SENATOR APPOINTMENT TO LOUISIANA SENATOR DAVID VITTER’S WIFE WHO DURING DAVID VITTER’S WIFE WHO DURING THE COURSE OF HER NOMINATION THE COURSE OF HER NOMINATION BASICALLY BLEW OFF HER SENATE BASICALLY BLEW OFF HER SENATE QUESTIONNAIRE ABOUT HER QUESTIONNAIRE ABOUT HER BACKGROUND INEXPERIENCE, WHO BACKGROUND INEXPERIENCE, WHO TOTALLY BUNGLED HER CONFIRMATION TOTALLY BUNGLED HER CONFIRMATION HEARING, INCLUDING REFUSING TO HEARING, INCLUDING REFUSING TO SAY WHETHER SHE THOUGHT BROWN SAY WHETHER SHE THOUGHT BROWN VERSUS BOARD OF EDUCATION WAS A VERSUS BOARD OF EDUCATION WAS A GOOD IDEA, WHETHER WE SHOULD GO GOOD IDEA, WHETHER WE SHOULD GO BACK TO LEGALLY MANDATED BACK TO LEGALLY MANDATED SEGREGATION. SEGREGATION. HER NOMINATION AND PARTICULARLY HER NOMINATION AND PARTICULARLY HER CONFIRMATION HEARING WAS HER CONFIRMATION HEARING WAS SUCH AN EMBARRASSING DISASTER, SUCH AN EMBARRASSING DISASTER, IT ACTUALLY LOOKED LIKE THEY IT ACTUALLY LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE GOING PUT HER NOMINATION ON WERE GOING PUT HER NOMINATION ON ICE FOR GOOD. ICE FOR GOOD. MITCH McCONNELL ONLY TOOK IT OFF MITCH McCONNELL ONLY TOOK IT OFF THE TRASH HEAP AND RUSHED IT THE TRASH HEAP AND RUSHED IT THROUGH IN A HURRY AFTER THE THROUGH IN A HURRY AFTER THE NOMINEE’S HUSBAND, FORMER NOMINEE’S HUSBAND, FORMER SENATOR DAVID VITTER, LOBBIED SENATOR DAVID VITTER, LOBBIED MITCH McCONNELL TO DROP MITCH McCONNELL TO DROP SANCTIONS ON A RUSSIAN OLIGARCH. SANCTIONS ON A RUSSIAN OLIGARCH. AS SOON AS McCONNELL DID THAT, AS SOON AS McCONNELL DID THAT, VITTER CAME BACK TO McCONNELL’S VITTER CAME BACK TO McCONNELL’S OFFICE TO LET HIM KNOW THAT THE OFFICE TO LET HIM KNOW THAT THE OLIGARCH’S FIRM WAS GOING TO OLIGARCH’S FIRM WAS GOING TO WRITE A $200 MILLION CHECK TO A WRITE A $200 MILLION CHECK TO A NEW ENTERPRISE IN McCONNELL’S NEW ENTERPRISE IN McCONNELL’S HOME STATE OF KENTUCKY. HOME STATE OF KENTUCKY. RIGHT AFTER THAT, MITCH RIGHT AFTER THAT, MITCH McCONNELL SUDDENLY DISCOVERED, McCONNELL SUDDENLY DISCOVERED, HEY, DAVID VITTER’S WIFE’S HEY, DAVID VITTER’S WIFE’S JUDICIAL NALL NATION HADN’T GONE JUDICIAL NALL NATION HADN’T GONE THROUGH AFTER ALL AND HE PULLED THROUGH AFTER ALL AND HE PULLED IT OUT OF THE CIRCULAR FILE AND IT OUT OF THE CIRCULAR FILE AND RUSHED IT THROUGH AND NOW WENDY RUSHED IT THROUGH AND NOW WENDY VITTER IS GOING TO BE ON A VITTER IS GOING TO BE ON A FEDERAL BENCH UNTIL THE END OF FEDERAL BENCH UNTIL THE END OF HER WORKING LIFE. HER WORKING LIFE. SO I MEAN THAT’S HOW THEY HAVE SO I MEAN THAT’S HOW THEY HAVE USED THIS POWER. USED THIS POWER. THEY HAVE HAD SOME DOOZIES WITH THEY HAVE HAD SOME DOOZIES WITH GREAT UNFETTERRED POWER COMES GREAT UNFETTERRED POWER COMES WILD IRRESPONSIBILITY, ALWAYS WILD IRRESPONSIBILITY, ALWAYS AND EVER. AND EVER. BUT THIS NEXT DOCUMENT I’M ABOUT BUT THIS NEXT DOCUMENT I’M ABOUT TO SHOW YOU, THIS IS TO SHOW YOU, THIS IS SOMETHING — I HAVE IT HERE, SOMETHING — I HAVE IT HERE, DON’T I? DON’T I? YEAH. YEAH. THIS DOCUMENT. THIS DOCUMENT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I NEVER THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I NEVER EXPECTED TO HAVE TO READ AS PART EXPECTED TO HAVE TO READ AS PART OF MY DAY JOB. OF MY DAY JOB. IT IS A LAW REVIEW ARTICLE THAT IT IS A LAW REVIEW ARTICLE THAT IS TITLED ETHNONATIONALISM AND IS TITLED ETHNONATIONALISM AND LIBERAL DEMOCRACY. LIBERAL DEMOCRACY. ETHNONATIONALISM. ETHNONATIONALISM. LIKE WE HAVE BEEN TALKING A LOT LIKE WE HAVE BEEN TALKING A LOT IN THIS RECENT WEEKS FOR OBVIOUS IN THIS RECENT WEEKS FOR OBVIOUS AND TERRIBLE REASONS ABOUT WHITE AND TERRIBLE REASONS ABOUT WHITE NATIONALISM, WHICH IS THE NEW NATIONALISM, WHICH IS THE NEW BRANDING THAT DOMESTIC BRANDING THAT DOMESTIC TERRORISTS ARE USING IN THIS TERRORISTS ARE USING IN THIS COUNTRY FOR WHITE SUPREMACY. COUNTRY FOR WHITE SUPREMACY. HERE’S THE THESIS STATEMENT OF HERE’S THE THESIS STATEMENT OF THIS ETHNONATIONALISM LAW REVIEW THIS ETHNONATIONALISM LAW REVIEW ARTICLE. ARTICLE. QUOTE, THIS ARTICLE ARGUES THAT QUOTE, THIS ARTICLE ARGUES THAT ETHNONATIONALISM REMAPZ A COMMON ETHNONATIONALISM REMAPZ A COMMON AND ACCEPTED FEATURE OF LIBERAL AND ACCEPTED FEATURE OF LIBERAL DEMOCRACY THAT IS CONSISTENT DEMOCRACY THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH CURRENT STATE PRACTICE AND WITH CURRENT STATE PRACTICE AND INTERNATIONAL LAW. INTERNATIONAL LAW. HMM. HMM. THIS IS A LONG PIECE, IT’S OVER THIS IS A LONG PIECE, IT’S OVER 60 PAGES. 60 PAGES. IT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE IT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA JOURNAL OF INTERNATIONAL LAW IN JOURNAL OF INTERNATIONAL LAW IN 2010. 2010. AND IT TAKES A SORT OF AND IT TAKES A SORT OF INTERNATIONAL TOUR OF INTERNATIONAL TOUR OF ETHNONATIONALISM THROUGH THE ETHNONATIONALISM THROUGH THE AGES, BUT IT ENDS WITH THIS SORT AGES, BUT IT ENDS WITH THIS SORT OF WAR CRY ABOUT HOW A COUNTRY OF WAR CRY ABOUT HOW A COUNTRY CAN’T WORK, HOW DEFINITELY CAN’T WORK, HOW DEFINITELY DEMOCRACY CAN’T WORK UNLESS THE DEMOCRACY CAN’T WORK UNLESS THE COUNTRY IS DEFINED BY A UNIFYING COUNTRY IS DEFINED BY A UNIFYING RACE. RACE. QUOTE, THE IDEA THAT A SOVEREIGN QUOTE, THE IDEA THAT A SOVEREIGN DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT REPRESENTS DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT REPRESENTS A PARTICULAR ETHNONATIONAL A PARTICULAR ETHNONATIONAL COMMUNITY HAS ITS ROOT IN THE COMMUNITY HAS ITS ROOT IN THE PRINCIPLE OF SELF-DETERMINATION PRINCIPLE OF SELF-DETERMINATION OF PEOPLES. OF PEOPLES. HE QUOTES JON STEWART MILL AND HE QUOTES JON STEWART MILL AND THE SENTIMENT OF NATIONALITY. THE SENTIMENT OF NATIONALITY. THE AUTHOR SAYS THAT SENTIMENT, THE AUTHOR SAYS THAT SENTIMENT, WHICH FACILITATES DEMOCRATIC WHICH FACILITATES DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT, RESTS UPON GOVERNMENT, RESTS UPON ETHNOCULTURAL TIES. ETHNOCULTURAL TIES. ETHNONATIONAL COMMUNITIES, ETHNONATIONAL COMMUNITIES, ETHNOCULTURAL TIES. ETHNOCULTURAL TIES. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHAT I ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHAT I THINK YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT? THINK YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT? OH, YES, YOU ARE. OH, YES, YOU ARE. AT THE ENDING, SELF-GOVERNMENT AT THE ENDING, SELF-GOVERNMENT REQUIRES A POLITICAL PARTNERSHIP REQUIRES A POLITICAL PARTNERSHIP IN WHICH INDIVIDUALS ARE WILLING IN WHICH INDIVIDUALS ARE WILLING AND ABLE TO REGARD ONE ANOTHER AND ABLE TO REGARD ONE ANOTHER AS EQUAL MEMBERS OF A POLITICAL AS EQUAL MEMBERS OF A POLITICAL COMMUNITY. COMMUNITY. DEMOCRATIC SELF-GOVERNMENT DEMOCRATIC SELF-GOVERNMENT DEPENDS ON NATIONAL DEPENDS ON NATIONAL FELLOW-FEELING, THE CAPACITY OF FELLOW-FEELING, THE CAPACITY OF CITIZENS TO IDENTIFY WITH EACH CITIZENS TO IDENTIFY WITH EACH OTHER. OTHER. ETHNIC TIES PROVIDE THE ETHNIC TIES PROVIDE THE GROUNDWORK FOR THAT SOCIAL TRUST GROUNDWORK FOR THAT SOCIAL TRUST AND POLITICAL SOLIDARITY. AND POLITICAL SOLIDARITY. OH. OH. AT THE SAME TIME SOCIAL AT THE SAME TIME SOCIAL SCIENTISTS HAVE FOUND THAT SCIENTISTS HAVE FOUND THAT GREATER ETHNIC HETEROGENEITY IS GREATER ETHNIC HETEROGENEITY IS ASSOCIATED WITH LOWER SOCIAL ASSOCIATED WITH LOWER SOCIAL TRUST. TRUST. THEY EXHIBIT LESS POLITICAL AND THEY EXHIBIT LESS POLITICAL AND CIVIC ENGAEJMENT, LESS EFFECTIVE CIVIC ENGAEJMENT, LESS EFFECTIVE GOVERNMENT AND FEWER PUBLIC GOVERNMENT AND FEWER PUBLIC GOODS. GOODS. THE SOCIOLOGIST ROBERT PUTNAM THE SOCIOLOGIST ROBERT PUTNAM HAS CONCLUDED THAT GREATER HAS CONCLUDED THAT GREATER ETHNIC DIVERSITY WEAKENS SOCIAL ETHNIC DIVERSITY WEAKENS SOCIAL SOLIDARITY, FOSTERS SOCIAL SOLIDARITY, FOSTERS SOCIAL ISOLATION AND INHIBITS SOCIAL ISOLATION AND INHIBITS SOCIAL CAPITAL. CAPITAL. THESE FINDINGS CONFIRM THAT THE THESE FINDINGS CONFIRM THAT THE SOLIDARITY UNDERLYING DEMOCRAT SOLIDARITY UNDERLYING DEMOCRAT POLITICS RESTS IN LARGE PART ON POLITICS RESTS IN LARGE PART ON ETHNIC IDENTIFICATION. ETHNIC IDENTIFICATION. SURELY IT DOES NOT SERVE THE SURELY IT DOES NOT SERVE THE CAUSE OF LIBERAL DEMOCRACY TO CAUSE OF LIBERAL DEMOCRACY TO IGNORE THIS REALITY. IGNORE THIS REALITY. THE ETHNONATIONALISM OF STATES THE ETHNONATIONALISM OF STATES IS BECOMING MORE NOT LESS IS BECOMING MORE NOT LESS SIGNIFICANT. SIGNIFICANT. LIBERAL DEMOCRACY REQUIRES A LIBERAL DEMOCRACY REQUIRES A NATIONAL COMMUNITY IF IT IS TO NATIONAL COMMUNITY IF IT IS TO BECOME MORE THAN AN INEFFECTUAL BECOME MORE THAN AN INEFFECTUAL ABSTRACTION. ABSTRACTION. AND BY NATIONAL COMMUNITY, YES, AND BY NATIONAL COMMUNITY, YES, HE’S TALKING ABOUT EVERYBODY HE’S TALKING ABOUT EVERYBODY HAVING THE SAME ETHNICITY. HAVING THE SAME ETHNICITY. I MEAN THIS IS THE LAW I MEAN THIS IS THE LAW REVIEW/ACADEMIC WORDY BIRD REVIEW/ACADEMIC WORDY BIRD ARGUMENT THAT YOU CAN’T REALLY ARGUMENT THAT YOU CAN’T REALLY HAVE A COUNTRY. HAVE A COUNTRY. AT LEAST YOU CAN’T HAVE A AT LEAST YOU CAN’T HAVE A COUNTRY THAT WORKS IF YOU’VE GOT COUNTRY THAT WORKS IF YOU’VE GOT ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN IT. IT. SURELY IT DOES NOT SERVE THE SURELY IT DOES NOT SERVE THE CAUSE OF LIBERAL DEMOCRACY TO CAUSE OF LIBERAL DEMOCRACY TO IGNORE THIS REALITY. IGNORE THIS REALITY. THAT’S HOW YOU KNOW THIS IS A THAT’S HOW YOU KNOW THIS IS A HIGH BROW ARGUMENT FOR RACIAL HIGH BROW ARGUMENT FOR RACIAL PURITY IN THE NATION STATE WHEN PURITY IN THE NATION STATE WHEN THEY SAY THINGS LIKE SURELY THEY SAY THINGS LIKE SURELY EVERYONE MUST ADMIT THIS. EVERYONE MUST ADMIT THIS. DON’T YOU JUST FEEL IT IN YOUR DON’T YOU JUST FEEL IT IN YOUR GUT? GUT? THE AUTHOR OF THIS SLIGHTLY THE AUTHOR OF THIS SLIGHTLY BLOOD-CURDLING VERY SERIOUS LAW BLOOD-CURDLING VERY SERIOUS LAW REVIEW ARTICLE IS NAMED STEVEN REVIEW ARTICLE IS NAMED STEVEN MENASHI. MENASHI. THE REASON YOU NEED TO KNOW IT THE REASON YOU NEED TO KNOW IT IS BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP JUST IS BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP JUST NOMINATED HIM TO BE A FEDERAL NOMINATED HIM TO BE A FEDERAL APPEALS COURT JUDGE. APPEALS COURT JUDGE. JUST NOMINATED HIM TO SIT ON THE JUST NOMINATED HIM TO SIT ON THE SECOND CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS, SECOND CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS, WHICH IS THE FEDERAL APPEALS WHICH IS THE FEDERAL APPEALS COURT THAT COVERS NEW YORK STATE COURT THAT COVERS NEW YORK STATE AND OTHER PARTS OF THE AND OTHER PARTS OF THE NORTHEAST. NORTHEAST. AND YOU MIGHT WONDER HOW THE AND YOU MIGHT WONDER HOW THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION FINDS THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION FINDS THE ACADEMIC DRUM MAJOR FOR ACADEMIC DRUM MAJOR FOR ETHNONATIONALISM TO BECOME A ETHNONATIONALISM TO BECOME A FEDERAL APPEALS COURT NOMINEE, FEDERAL APPEALS COURT NOMINEE, ONE LEVEL BELOW THE U.S. SUPREME ONE LEVEL BELOW THE U.S. SUPREME COURT. COURT. I TEND TO THINK THAT IN ACADEMIA I TEND TO THINK THAT IN ACADEMIA AND POLITICS, THESE PEOPLE ON AND POLITICS, THESE PEOPLE ON THIS FRINGE OF RACIAL THINKING, THIS FRINGE OF RACIAL THINKING, THEY TEND TO FIND EACH OTHER THEY TEND TO FIND EACH OTHER LIKE MAGNETS AND IRON FILINGS LIKE MAGNETS AND IRON FILINGS DO. DO. DO YOU REMEMBER HOW BACK IN THE DO YOU REMEMBER HOW BACK IN THE 2016 CAMPAIGN TRUMP USED TO TELL 2016 CAMPAIGN TRUMP USED TO TELL THIS TOTALLY MADE UP STORY ABOUT THIS TOTALLY MADE UP STORY ABOUT THE WAY WE USED TO GET RID OF THE WAY WE USED TO GET RID OF TERRORISM IS THAT WE’D DIP THE TERRORISM IS THAT WE’D DIP THE BULLETS IN PIG’S BLOOD AND WRAP BULLETS IN PIG’S BLOOD AND WRAP UP THE MUSLIM BODIES IN PIG UP THE MUSLIM BODIES IN PIG SKINS AND THAT’S HOW WE GOT RID SKINS AND THAT’S HOW WE GOT RID OF MUSLIM TERRORISTS IN THE PAST OF MUSLIM TERRORISTS IN THE PAST AND NOW WE’RE TOO WUSSY TO DO AND NOW WE’RE TOO WUSSY TO DO THAT. THAT. THERE’S A LITTLE CONTROVERSY IN THERE’S A LITTLE CONTROVERSY IN THE 2016 CAMPAIGN THAT HE JUST THE 2016 CAMPAIGN THAT HE JUST MADE UP THAT STORY. MADE UP THAT STORY. THIS GUY WHO WAS JUST NOMINATED THIS GUY WHO WAS JUST NOMINATED TO BE A FEDERAL APPEALS COURT TO BE A FEDERAL APPEALS COURT JUDGE HAS ALSO MADE THAT SAME JUDGE HAS ALSO MADE THAT SAME ARGUMENT THAT TRUMP MADE ON THE ARGUMENT THAT TRUMP MADE ON THE STUMP IN 2016. STUMP IN 2016. HE HAS TOLD THAT SAME FAKE STORY HE HAS TOLD THAT SAME FAKE STORY IN THE COURSE OF HIS ACADEMIC IN THE COURSE OF HIS ACADEMIC CAREER. CAREER. THIS WAS CRAZY ENOUGH TO HEAR THIS WAS CRAZY ENOUGH TO HEAR CANDIDATE TRUMP RUN WITH THIS, CANDIDATE TRUMP RUN WITH THIS, THIS COMPLETELY MADE-UP STORY THIS COMPLETELY MADE-UP STORY DURING THE 2016 CAMPAIGN. DURING THE 2016 CAMPAIGN.>>THEY TOOK THE 50 TERRORISTS>>THEY TOOK THE 50 TERRORISTS AND HE TOOK 50 MEN AND HE DIPPED AND HE TOOK 50 MEN AND HE DIPPED 50 BULLETS IN PIG’S BLOOD. 50 BULLETS IN PIG’S BLOOD. YOU HEARD THAT, RIGHT? YOU HEARD THAT, RIGHT? HE FIT — HE TOOK 50 BULLETS. HE FIT — HE TOOK 50 BULLETS. AND HE DIPPED THEM IN PIG’S AND HE DIPPED THEM IN PIG’S BLOOD. BLOOD. AND HE HAD HIS MAN LOAD HIS AND HE HAD HIS MAN LOAD HIS RIFLES AND HE LINED UP THE 50 RIFLES AND HE LINED UP THE 50 PEOPLE AND THEY SHOT 49 OF THOSE PEOPLE AND THEY SHOT 49 OF THOSE PEOPLE AND THE 50th PERSON HE PEOPLE AND THE 50th PERSON HE SAID YOU GO BACK TO YOUR PEOPLE SAID YOU GO BACK TO YOUR PEOPLE AND YOU TELL THEM WHAT HAPPENED. AND YOU TELL THEM WHAT HAPPENED. AND FOR 25 YEARS THERE WASN’T A AND FOR 25 YEARS THERE WASN’T A PROBLEM. PROBLEM. OKAY? OKAY? 25 YEARS THERE WASN’T A PROBLEM. 25 YEARS THERE WASN’T A PROBLEM. ALL RIGHT? ALL RIGHT? SO WE BETTER START GETTING SO WE BETTER START GETTING TOUGH. TOUGH.>>TOTAL BULL PUCKY.>>TOTAL BULL PUCKY. NOT TRUE AT ALL. NOT TRUE AT ALL. THAT STORY WAS NOT TRUE WHEN THAT STORY WAS NOT TRUE WHEN THEN CANDIDATE DONALD TRUMP THEN CANDIDATE DONALD TRUMP PULLED IT OUT OF HIS PROVERBIAL PULLED IT OUT OF HIS PROVERBIAL FORTUNE COOKIE AND RILED UP THAT FORTUNE COOKIE AND RILED UP THAT CROWD IN SOUTH CAROLINA WITH IT CROWD IN SOUTH CAROLINA WITH IT DURING THAT CAMPAIGN. DURING THAT CAMPAIGN. IT WAS ALSO NOT TRUE WHEN SECOND IT WAS ALSO NOT TRUE WHEN SECOND CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS NOMINEE CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS NOMINEE STEVEN MENASHI ARGUED IT IN A STEVEN MENASHI ARGUED IT IN A PAPER THAT HE PUBLISHED AT PAPER THAT HE PUBLISHED AT STANFORD UNIVERSITY’S STANFORD UNIVERSITY’S CONSERVATIVE THINK TANK. CONSERVATIVE THINK TANK. LOOK, SAME THING. LOOK, SAME THING. SAME MADE-UP STORY. SAME MADE-UP STORY. HIS FORCES EXECUTED THEM WITH HIS FORCES EXECUTED THEM WITH BULLETS DIPPED IN PIG FAT. BULLETS DIPPED IN PIG FAT. OH, NOT PIG BLOOD. OH, NOT PIG BLOOD. THE APPROACH IS PROBABLY NO THE APPROACH IS PROBABLY NO LONGER IN THE ARMY’S LONGER IN THE ARMY’S COUNTERTERRORISM REPERTOIRE BUT COUNTERTERRORISM REPERTOIRE BUT THE RESULT WAS THAT THE THE RESULT WAS THAT THE GUERRILLA VIOLENCE ENDED. GUERRILLA VIOLENCE ENDED. THE AMERICAN RESPONSE TO ISLAMIC THE AMERICAN RESPONSE TO ISLAMIC EXTREMISM HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN SO EXTREMISM HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN SO HARSH OR AS EFFECTIVE. HARSH OR AS EFFECTIVE. I MEAN IT IS ONE THING TO HAVE I MEAN IT IS ONE THING TO HAVE THIS FANTASY. THIS FANTASY. LET’S BUY GREENLAND, YOU KNOW, LET’S BUY GREENLAND, YOU KNOW, MADE UP, SELF-SERVING CLAP TRAP MADE UP, SELF-SERVING CLAP TRAP COME OUT OF THE MOUTH OF AN COME OUT OF THE MOUTH OF AN ANTI-MUSLIM CANDIDATE WHO THEN ANTI-MUSLIM CANDIDATE WHO THEN BECOMES PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED BECOMES PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. STATES. IT ACTUALLY FEELS LIKE IT MIGHT IT ACTUALLY FEELS LIKE IT MIGHT BE WORSE TO HAVE THE EXACT SAME BE WORSE TO HAVE THE EXACT SAME CLAP TRAP, THAT SAME LET’S BUY CLAP TRAP, THAT SAME LET’S BUY GREENLAND LEVEL OF THINKING COME GREENLAND LEVEL OF THINKING COME FROM SOMEBODY WHO HAS JUST BEEN FROM SOMEBODY WHO HAS JUST BEEN NOMINATED FOR A LIFETIME SEAT ON NOMINATED FOR A LIFETIME SEAT ON THE FEDERAL APPEALS COURT ONE THE FEDERAL APPEALS COURT ONE LEVEL BELOW THE UNITED STATES LEVEL BELOW THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. SUPREME COURT. BUT HEY, JUST IN CASE YOU BUT HEY, JUST IN CASE YOU THOUGHT THAT THE PROBLEM IN THIS THOUGHT THAT THE PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY WAS THAT WE DIDN’T HAVE COUNTRY WAS THAT WE DIDN’T HAVE ENOUGH OUT LOUD PROPONENTS OF

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STEPH.>>ALL RIGHT.>>ALL RIGHT. JEFF BENNETT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. JEFF BENNETT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET’S BE CLEAR ABOUT ONE POINT. LET’S BE CLEAR ABOUT ONE POINT. THERE ARE REAL REASONS TO BE THERE ARE REAL REASONS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT A POSSIBLE CONCERNED ABOUT A POSSIBLE RECESSION. RECESSION. REMEMBER, A RECESSION IS NOT A REMEMBER, A RECESSION IS NOT A CRISIS. CRISIS. A RECESSION IS NORMAL. A RECESSION IS NORMAL. BUT A SITTING PRESIDENT DOESN’T BUT A SITTING PRESIDENT DOESN’T NECESSARILY WANT TO BE RUNNING NECESSARILY WANT TO BE RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION DURING A FOR RE-ELECTION DURING A RECESSION. RECESSION. SO LET’S LOOK AT ONE OF THOSE SO LET’S LOOK AT ONE OF THOSE REASONS. REASONS. MORE THAN 30 CENTRAL BANKS MORE THAN 30 CENTRAL BANKS AROUND THE WORLD HAVE CUT AROUND THE WORLD HAVE CUT INTEREST RATES THIS YEAR. INTEREST RATES THIS YEAR. WHY DOES THAT MATTER? WHY DOES THAT MATTER? THE LAST TIME WE SAW THAT MANY THE LAST TIME WE SAW THAT MANY RATE CUTS WORLDWIDE, WAS DURING RATE CUTS WORLDWIDE, WAS DURING THE FINANCIAL CRISIS OF 2008. THE FINANCIAL CRISIS OF 2008. WE CURRENTLY HAVE NINE COUNTRIES WE CURRENTLY HAVE NINE COUNTRIES POTENTIALLY FACING RECESSION POTENTIALLY FACING RECESSION RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW. IN A GLOBAL ECONOMY THAT’S AN IN A GLOBAL ECONOMY THAT’S AN ISSUE. ISSUE. OUR OWN FEDERAL RESERVE LOWERED OUR OWN FEDERAL RESERVE LOWERED ITS RATE BY .25% LAST MONTH TO ITS RATE BY .25% LAST MONTH TO TRY AND EXTEND ECONOMIC GROWTH TRY AND EXTEND ECONOMIC GROWTH HERE AT HOME DESPITE THE SLOW HERE AT HOME DESPITE THE SLOW GROWTH WORLDWIDE AND THE HARM GROWTH WORLDWIDE AND THE HARM DONE BY THE PRESIDENT’S TRADE DONE BY THE PRESIDENT’S TRADE WAR. WAR. BUT TYPICALLY THE FED CUTS RATES BUT TYPICALLY THE FED CUTS RATES AS A LAST RESORT WHEN THE AS A LAST RESORT WHEN THE ECONOMY IS IN MUCH WORSE SHAPE ECONOMY IS IN MUCH WORSE SHAPE THAN IT APPEARS TO BE RIGHT NOW. THAN IT APPEARS TO BE RIGHT NOW. AND USING RATE CUTS NOW COULD AND USING RATE CUTS NOW COULD MEAN THAT THEY’RE NOT AVAILABLE MEAN THAT THEY’RE NOT AVAILABLE WHEN WE REALLY NEED THEM. WHEN WE REALLY NEED THEM. IT COULD ALSO MEAN THAT THE IT COULD ALSO MEAN THAT THE ECONOMY WILL BE SIMPLY IMMUNE TO ECONOMY WILL BE SIMPLY IMMUNE TO THEIR IMPACT. THEIR IMPACT. AND, YET, THE WHITE HOUSE AND, YET, THE WHITE HOUSE CONTINUES TO CALL FOR THE FED TO CONTINUES TO CALL FOR THE FED TO LOWER RATES EVEN FURTHER. LOWER RATES EVEN FURTHER. BUT THAT MESSAGE COULD BE DOING BUT THAT MESSAGE COULD BE DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD. MORE HARM THAN GOOD. U.S. CONSUMER SENTIMENT ACTUALLY U.S. CONSUMER SENTIMENT ACTUALLY FELL IN AUGUST AND ACCORDING TO FELL IN AUGUST AND ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTOR OF THE SURVEY THE THE DIRECTOR OF THE SURVEY THE CUT ACTUALLY MADE PEOPLE MORE CUT ACTUALLY MADE PEOPLE MORE WORRIED ABOUT A POSSIBLE WORRIED ABOUT A POSSIBLE RECESSION. RECESSION. PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED. PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED. I HAVE A GREAT GROUP HERE WITH I HAVE A GREAT GROUP HERE WITH ME TO HELP CLEAR SOME OF THE ME TO HELP CLEAR SOME OF THE CONFUSION UP. CONFUSION UP. PHIL RUCKER WHITE HOUSE BUREAU PHIL RUCKER WHITE HOUSE BUREAU CHIEF FOR “THE WASHINGTON POST,” CHIEF FOR “THE WASHINGTON POST,” NEIL IRWIN SENIOR ECONOMICS NEIL IRWIN SENIOR ECONOMICS CORRESPONDENT FOR THE “NEW YORK CORRESPONDENT FOR THE “NEW YORK TIMES” AND DEMOCRATIC TIMES” AND DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSWOMAN FROM MY HOME STATE CONGRESSWOMAN FROM MY HOME STATE OF NEW JERSEY. OF NEW JERSEY. CONGRESSWOMAN, I TURN TO YOU CONGRESSWOMAN, I TURN TO YOU FIRST. FIRST. THE PRESIDENT KNOWS THE ECONOMY THE PRESIDENT KNOWS THE ECONOMY IS HIS TICKET TO RE-ELECTION. IS HIS TICKET TO RE-ELECTION. IS THERE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE IS THERE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE HE IS GOING TO GIVE AMERICANS A HE IS GOING TO GIVE AMERICANS A MORE ACCURATE PICTURE OF THE MORE ACCURATE PICTURE OF THE ECONOMY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT ECONOMY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? IT? IF YOU ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, IF YOU ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, IF YOU ARE A PRIVATE CITIZEN IF YOU ARE A PRIVATE CITIZEN WHICH HE WAS LAST TIME AROUND, WHICH HE WAS LAST TIME AROUND, YOU CAN PAINT WHATEVER PICTURE YOU CAN PAINT WHATEVER PICTURE YOU WANT TO HELP YOURSELF GET YOU WANT TO HELP YOURSELF GET RE-ELECTED BUT HE IS CURRENTLY RE-ELECTED BUT HE IS CURRENTLY GOVERNING OUR NATION INTERFACING GOVERNING OUR NATION INTERFACING WITH WORLD LEADERS EVERY DAY. WITH WORLD LEADERS EVERY DAY. IF HE’S NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT IF HE’S NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT THE STATE THAT WE’RE IN WHAT THE STATE THAT WE’RE IN WHAT DOES THAT DO TO US? DOES THAT DO TO US?>>I THINK MANY AMERICANS KNOW>>I THINK MANY AMERICANS KNOW WHAT STATE WE’RE IN. WHAT STATE WE’RE IN. IN MY HOME STATE NEW JERSEY AS IN MY HOME STATE NEW JERSEY AS YOU WELL KNOW MANY OF THE YOU WELL KNOW MANY OF THE ECONOMIC MOVES BY THIS ECONOMIC MOVES BY THIS ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY HARMFUL TO US. INCREDIBLY HARMFUL TO US. NEW JERSEY WAS WORST HIT BY THE NEW JERSEY WAS WORST HIT BY THE TAX REFORM THAN ANY OTHER STATE TAX REFORM THAN ANY OTHER STATE IN THE NATION. IN THE NATION. THE STATE AND LOCAL TAX THE STATE AND LOCAL TAX DEDUCTION CAP HAS BEEN HURTING DEDUCTION CAP HAS BEEN HURTING TEACHERS AND COPS THROUGHOUT MY TEACHERS AND COPS THROUGHOUT MY DISTRICT. DISTRICT. WE SEE THE FAILURE TO INVEST IN WE SEE THE FAILURE TO INVEST IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE FURTHER OUR INFRASTRUCTURE FURTHER HARMING OUR DISTRICT AND OUR HARMING OUR DISTRICT AND OUR STATE, A STATE THAT BY THE WAY STATE, A STATE THAT BY THE WAY IS PART OF THE 20% OF THE IS PART OF THE 20% OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY. AMERICAN ECONOMY. SO, YOU KNOW, THESE HITS, THESE SO, YOU KNOW, THESE HITS, THESE WERE SELF-INFLICTED WOUNDS. WERE SELF-INFLICTED WOUNDS. AND THE PRESIDENT FURTHERMORE AND THE PRESIDENT FURTHERMORE CONTINUES TO DO THAT IN THE CONTINUES TO DO THAT IN THE GLOBAL ECONOMY. GLOBAL ECONOMY. I DON’T THINK PEOPLE QUITE I DON’T THINK PEOPLE QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THESE CHINESE TARIFFS. THESE CHINESE TARIFFS. THIS TARIFF WAR HAS BEEN REALLY THIS TARIFF WAR HAS BEEN REALLY HARD FOR CORPORATIONS IN MY HARD FOR CORPORATIONS IN MY DISTRICT WHO ARE TRYING HARD TO DISTRICT WHO ARE TRYING HARD TO PLAN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, PLAN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THE NEXT TEN YEARS, THE NEXT 15 THE NEXT TEN YEARS, THE NEXT 15 YEARS, AND ARE FINDING YEARS, AND ARE FINDING THEMSELVES UNABLE TO DO SO AND THEMSELVES UNABLE TO DO SO AND THE PRESIDENT SAYS, WELL, HE’S THE PRESIDENT SAYS, WELL, HE’S NOT GOING TO DO THE TARIFF WAR NOT GOING TO DO THE TARIFF WAR UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS BECAUSE HE UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS BECAUSE HE KNOWS IT’S ANOTHER TAX ON KNOWS IT’S ANOTHER TAX ON CONSUMERS. CONSUMERS. AND SO WE SEE HIM HOLDING OFF AND SO WE SEE HIM HOLDING OFF UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS FOR SOME UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS FOR SOME OF THIS TRADE WAR WHICH MAKES IT OF THIS TRADE WAR WHICH MAKES IT SEEM LIKE IT’S JUST SOME SEEM LIKE IT’S JUST SOME PARTISAN MANEUVERING AND NOT PARTISAN MANEUVERING AND NOT REALLY HELPFUL TO OUR ECONOMY. REALLY HELPFUL TO OUR ECONOMY.>>PHIL, I WANT TO PLAY PART OF>>PHIL, I WANT TO PLAY PART OF YOUR EXCHANGE WITH THE PRESIDENT YOUR EXCHANGE WITH THE PRESIDENT YESTERDAY WHILE HE WAS IN NEW YESTERDAY WHILE HE WAS IN NEW JERSEY TALKING ABOUT HOW THE JERSEY TALKING ABOUT HOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SO HAPPY AND AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SO HAPPY AND SPENDING WHEN WE KNOW FROM THE SPENDING WHEN WE KNOW FROM THE CONGRESSWOMAN PEOPLE IN NEW CONGRESSWOMAN PEOPLE IN NEW JERSEY DID NOT BENEFIT. JERSEY DID NOT BENEFIT. TAKE A LOOK. TAKE A LOOK.>>A LOT OF ECONOMISTS SAY YOU>>A LOT OF ECONOMISTS SAY YOU SHOULD BE PREPARING FOR A SHOULD BE PREPARING FOR A RECESSION, THAT NO PRESIDENT IS RECESSION, THAT NO PRESIDENT IS IMMUNE TO RECESSION AND IT IS IMMUNE TO RECESSION AND IT IS NOW — NOW –>>PHIL, HONESTLY I’M PREPARED>>PHIL, HONESTLY I’M PREPARED FOR EVERYTHING. FOR EVERYTHING. I DON’T THINK WE’RE HAVING A I DON’T THINK WE’RE HAVING A RECESSION. RECESSION. WE ARE DOING TREMENDOUSLY WELL. WE ARE DOING TREMENDOUSLY WELL. OUR CONSUMERS ARE RICH. OUR CONSUMERS ARE RICH. I GAVE A TREMENDOUS TAX CUT AND I GAVE A TREMENDOUS TAX CUT AND THEY’RE LOADED UP WITH MONEY. THEY’RE LOADED UP WITH MONEY. THEY’RE BUYING. THEY’RE BUYING. I SAW THE WALMART NUMBERS. I SAW THE WALMART NUMBERS. THEY WERE THROUGH THE ROOF JUST THEY WERE THROUGH THE ROOF JUST TWO DAYS AGO. TWO DAYS AGO. THAT’S BETTER THAN ANY POLL, THAT’S BETTER THAN ANY POLL, BETTER THAN ANY ECONOMIST. BETTER THAN ANY ECONOMIST. AND MOST ECONOMISTS ACTUALLY AND MOST ECONOMISTS ACTUALLY SAY, PHIL, THAT WE’RE NOT GOING SAY, PHIL, THAT WE’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A RECESSION. TO HAVE A RECESSION. MOST OF THEM ARE SAYING WE’RE MOST OF THEM ARE SAYING WE’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A RECESSION. NOT GOING TO HAVE A RECESSION.>>SO THE PRESIDENT SAID WALMART>>SO THE PRESIDENT SAID WALMART NUMBERS WERE THROUGH THE ROOF. NUMBERS WERE THROUGH THE ROOF. HE DIDN’T SAY THE DAY BEFORE HE DIDN’T SAY THE DAY BEFORE THAT MACY’S NUMBERS WERE IN THE THAT MACY’S NUMBERS WERE IN THE TOILET. TOILET. WHEN HE SAYS CONSUMERS ARE FLUSH WHEN HE SAYS CONSUMERS ARE FLUSH WITH CASH AND SPENDING, IT WITH CASH AND SPENDING, IT WASN’T A TAX CUT FOR THE AVERAGE WASN’T A TAX CUT FOR THE AVERAGE AMERICAN. AMERICAN. TWA IS A TWA IS A IT WAS A CORPORATE TAX CUT. IT WAS A CORPORATE TAX CUT. WHAT IS YOUR TAKEAWAY FROM WHAT WHAT IS YOUR TAKEAWAY FROM WHAT HE SAID? HE SAID?>>WHAT JUST SAID IS EXACTLY>>WHAT JUST SAID IS EXACTLY RIGHT. RIGHT. WHAT TRUMP IS TRYING TO DO IS WHAT TRUMP IS TRYING TO DO IS PROJECT CONFIDENCE TO THE PROJECT CONFIDENCE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THERE’S NOT AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THERE’S NOT GOING TO BE A RECESSION AND THAT GOING TO BE A RECESSION AND THAT HE A ESGOT EVERYTHING UNDER HE A ESGOT EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL. CONTROL. BUT THAT FLIES IN THE FACE OF BUT THAT FLIES IN THE FACE OF THE DATA WE’RE SEEING AND THE THE DATA WE’RE SEEING AND THE INDICATORS AND THE BIG YELLOW INDICATORS AND THE BIG YELLOW FLAGS ESPECIALLY LAST WEEK. FLAGS ESPECIALLY LAST WEEK. YOU KNOW, NO PRESIDENT IS IMMUNE YOU KNOW, NO PRESIDENT IS IMMUNE FROM A RECESSION. FROM A RECESSION. PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT IMMUNE PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT IMMUNE FROM A RECESSION. FROM A RECESSION. YOU KNOW, TALKING TO ECONOMISTS YOU KNOW, TALKING TO ECONOMISTS I INTERVIEWED LARRY SUMMERS LAST I INTERVIEWED LARRY SUMMERS LAST WEEK THE FORMER TREASURY WEEK THE FORMER TREASURY SECRETARY AND ECONOMIC ADVISER SECRETARY AND ECONOMIC ADVISER WHO HELPED GUIDE THE OBAMA WHO HELPED GUIDE THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION OUT OF THE GREAT ADMINISTRATION OUT OF THE GREAT RECESSION AND HE SAID AIT WAS RECESSION AND HE SAID AIT WAS EFFECTIVELY MALPRACTICE FOR THIS EFFECTIVELY MALPRACTICE FOR THIS GOVERNMENT NOT TO BE GETTING GOVERNMENT NOT TO BE GETTING READY FOR A RECESSION IF ONE READY FOR A RECESSION IF ONE WERE TO COME. WERE TO COME.>>YOU WROTE AN EXCELLENT PIECE>>YOU WROTE AN EXCELLENT PIECE ABOUT HOW A RECESSION COULD ABOUT HOW A RECESSION COULD HAPPEN AND, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE HAPPEN AND, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE NORMAL. NORMAL. WE HAVE BEEN IN A TEN-YEAR WE HAVE BEEN IN A TEN-YEAR ECONOMIC EXPANSION, SO A ECONOMIC EXPANSION, SO A RECESSION IS PAR FOR THE COURSE. RECESSION IS PAR FOR THE COURSE. AND THE PRESIDENT HAS ALREADY AND THE PRESIDENT HAS ALREADY GIVEN A MASSIVE CORPORATE TAX GIVEN A MASSIVE CORPORATE TAX CUT AND, STILL, WITH GDP ONLY CUT AND, STILL, WITH GDP ONLY 2.1% THAT IS FAR BELOW HIS 3% 2.1% THAT IS FAR BELOW HIS 3% PROJECTION THOUGH HE PROJECTED PROJECTION THOUGH HE PROJECTED 4%, 5%, 6%. 4%, 5%, 6%. AFTER HEARING THE PRESIDENT AND AFTER HEARING THE PRESIDENT AND HIS ADVISERS SAYING, I DON’T SEE HIS ADVISERS SAYING, I DON’T SEE A RECESSION ANYWHERE, DO YOU A RECESSION ANYWHERE, DO YOU BELIEVE THEY’RE RECOGNIZING THE BELIEVE THEY’RE RECOGNIZING THE RISKS THAT AT LEAST YOU AND MANY RISKS THAT AT LEAST YOU AND MANY OTHERS HAVE LAID OUT? OTHERS HAVE LAID OUT?>>NO.>>NO. THEY SEEM TO BE KIND OF STICKING THEY SEEM TO BE KIND OF STICKING THEIR FINGERS IN THEIR EARS AND THEIR FINGERS IN THEIR EARS AND PRETENDING THESE SIGNS AREN’T PRETENDING THESE SIGNS AREN’T OUT THERE. OUT THERE. WE’VE SEEN THIS BEFORE. WE’VE SEEN THIS BEFORE. IT DOESN’T HAVE TO BE A IT DOESN’T HAVE TO BE A RECESSION FOR THIS TO BE A VERY RECESSION FOR THIS TO BE A VERY DANGEROUS MOMENT FOR THE DANGEROUS MOMENT FOR THE ECONOMY. ECONOMY. IN LATE 2015 EARLY 2016 THERE IN LATE 2015 EARLY 2016 THERE WAS SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO WAS SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THIS, AN INDUSTRIAL SLOWDOWN THIS, AN INDUSTRIAL SLOWDOWN CAUSED BY OVERSEAS FORCES CAUSED BY OVERSEAS FORCES ESPECIALLY CHINA AND MAY HAVE ESPECIALLY CHINA AND MAY HAVE HELPED TRUMP GET ELECTED AND HELPED TRUMP GET ELECTED AND COST HILLARY CLINTON THE WHITE COST HILLARY CLINTON THE WHITE HOUSE. HOUSE. YOU COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT DOESN’T BECOME A TECHNICAL DOESN’T BECOME A TECHNICAL RECESSION BUT DOES A LOT OF RECESSION BUT DOES A LOT OF DAMAGE IN THE HEARTLAND OF THE DAMAGE IN THE HEARTLAND OF THE U.S. U.S.>>CAN DEMOCRATS, CONGRESSWOMAN>>CAN DEMOCRATS, CONGRESSWOMAN ACTUALLY CAPITALIZE ON THIS? ACTUALLY CAPITALIZE ON THIS? I WANT TO SHARE WHAT THE I WANT TO SHARE WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID AT A RALLY LAST PRESIDENT SAID AT A RALLY LAST WEEK. WEEK.>>THE BOTTOM LINE IS I KNOW YOU>>THE BOTTOM LINE IS I KNOW YOU LIKE ME AND THIS ROOM IS A LOVE LIKE ME AND THIS ROOM IS A LOVE FEST. FEST. I KNOW THAT. I KNOW THAT. BUT YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO BUT YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO VOTE FOR ME BECAUSE YOUR 401(K)s VOTE FOR ME BECAUSE YOUR 401(K)s DOWN THE TUBES, EVERYTHING DOWN DOWN THE TUBES, EVERYTHING DOWN THE TUBES, SO WHETHER YOU LOVE THE TUBES, SO WHETHER YOU LOVE ME OR HATE ME YOU GOT TO VOTE ME OR HATE ME YOU GOT TO VOTE FOR ME. FOR ME.>>THIS THE ARGUMENT HE KEEPS>>THIS THE ARGUMENT HE KEEPS MAKING. MAKING. THE NEW “WALL STREET JOURNAL” THE NEW “WALL STREET JOURNAL” POLL SAYS 49% OF AMERICANS STILL POLL SAYS 49% OF AMERICANS STILL APPROVE OF HIS HANDLING OF THE APPROVE OF HIS HANDLING OF THE ECONOMY. ECONOMY. YOU JUST WALKED US THROUGH HOW YOU JUST WALKED US THROUGH HOW THERE’S BEEN MISHANDLING OF THE THERE’S BEEN MISHANDLING OF THE ECONOMY. ECONOMY. WHY AREN’T DEMOCRATS SEIZING ON WHY AREN’T DEMOCRATS SEIZING ON THIS WHEN JOE BIDEN TALKS ABOUT THIS WHEN JOE BIDEN TALKS ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORAL LEADERSHIP THE NEED FOR MORAL LEADERSHIP THE PRESIDENT RESPONDS BY SAYING THE PRESIDENT RESPONDS BY SAYING YOU WANT MORALITY OR YOU WANT YOU WANT MORALITY OR YOU WANT YOUR MONEY? YOUR MONEY? AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT SAY IT AT DINNER PARTIES BUT NOT SAY IT AT DINNER PARTIES BUT WHEN THEY GO HOME THEY START TO WHEN THEY GO HOME THEY START TO SAY, I NEED TO PROTECT MY SAY, I NEED TO PROTECT MY 401(K). 401(K). AND THEY BELIEVE IT. AND THEY BELIEVE IT.>>I THINK IF YOU WANT MORALITY>>I THINK IF YOU WANT MORALITY AND GOOD FISCAL LEADERSHIP YOU AND GOOD FISCAL LEADERSHIP YOU WANT A DEMOCRAT IN THE WHITE WANT A DEMOCRAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE BECAUSE WHAT WE’RE SEEING HOUSE BECAUSE WHAT WE’RE SEEING IN NEW JERSEY AND IT IS IN NEW JERSEY AND IT IS INTERESTING YOU JUST PLAYED THAT INTERESTING YOU JUST PLAYED THAT CLIP FROM MORRISTOWN. CLIP FROM MORRISTOWN. THAT IS IN MY DISTRICT. THAT IS IN MY DISTRICT. I WISH THE PRESIDENT HAD LEFT I WISH THE PRESIDENT HAD LEFT THE AIR STRIP AND GONE TO TALK THE AIR STRIP AND GONE TO TALK TO PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT BECAUSE TO PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT BECAUSE HE WOULD REALIZE THE ECONOMIC HE WOULD REALIZE THE ECONOMIC HARM HE IS DOING ACROSS THE HARM HE IS DOING ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY, YOU COUNTRY TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DO HAVE JOBS. KNOW, THEY DO HAVE JOBS. WE DO HAVE EMPLOYMENT. WE DO HAVE EMPLOYMENT. BUT PEOPLE AREN’T RECEIVING THE BUT PEOPLE AREN’T RECEIVING THE PAYCHECKS THEY WERE SEVERAL PAYCHECKS THEY WERE SEVERAL YEARS AGO. YEARS AGO.>>THEN WHY DOES HE HAVE SUCH A>>THEN WHY DOES HE HAVE SUCH A HIGH APPROVAL RATING WHEN IT HIGH APPROVAL RATING WHEN IT COMES TO HOW HE IS HANDLING THE COMES TO HOW HE IS HANDLING THE ECONOMY? ECONOMY?>>I THINK WE ARE STARTING TO>>I THINK WE ARE STARTING TO SEE THE CRACKS IN THAT. SEE THE CRACKS IN THAT. THIS IS WHERE THE RUBBER IS THIS IS WHERE THE RUBBER IS MEETING THE ROAD. MEETING THE ROAD. IT’S TAKEN A WHILE. IT’S TAKEN A WHILE. IT TAKES A WHILE AS I THINK A IT TAKES A WHILE AS I THINK A COMMENTATOR SAID EARLIER THIS COMMENTATOR SAID EARLIER THIS MORNING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU’RE MORNING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU’RE MOVING A SHIP, IT TAKES A LITTLE MOVING A SHIP, IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOR THE RESULTS TO BIT OF TIME FOR THE RESULTS TO BE FELT. BE FELT. WE’RE STARTING TO FEEL THE WE’RE STARTING TO FEEL THE RESULTS OF HIS POLICIES NOW. RESULTS OF HIS POLICIES NOW.>>PHIL, LET’S GO WITH A LITTLE>>PHIL, LET’S GO WITH A LITTLE PALACE INTRIGUE. PALACE INTRIGUE. YOU AND I BOTH KNOW FROM OUR OWN YOU AND I BOTH KNOW FROM OUR OWN REPORTING THAT THE PRESIDENT’S REPORTING THAT THE PRESIDENT’S ADVISERS LOOK TO GO TO GREAT ADVISERS LOOK TO GO TO GREAT LENGTHS TO FIND ARTICLES AND LENGTHS TO FIND ARTICLES AND DATA TO PLEASE THE PRESIDENT, TO DATA TO PLEASE THE PRESIDENT, TO SUPPORT HIS POINT OF VIEW. SUPPORT HIS POINT OF VIEW. HOW DANGEROUS IS IT RIGHT NOW HOW DANGEROUS IS IT RIGHT NOW THAT THAT IS CONTINUING TO BE THAT THAT IS CONTINUING TO BE THE CASE? THE CASE? AND WHEN THE PRESIDENT LOOKS AT AND WHEN THE PRESIDENT LOOKS AT DATA THAT HE DOESN’T LIKE, HE IS DATA THAT HE DOESN’T LIKE, HE IS NOW CLAIMING IT’S BEING NOW CLAIMING IT’S BEING MANIPULATED. MANIPULATED.>>YEAH, WELL THAT IS SPOT ON,>>YEAH, WELL THAT IS SPOT ON, STEPH. STEPH. MY REPORTING LAST WEEK SHOWS MY REPORTING LAST WEEK SHOWS THAT LARRY KUDLOW, THE ECONOMIC THAT LARRY KUDLOW, THE ECONOMIC ADVISER IN THE WHITE HOUSE, HAS ADVISER IN THE WHITE HOUSE, HAS BEEN PRESENTING A FAIRLY SUNNY BEEN PRESENTING A FAIRLY SUNNY OUTLOOK ABOUT THE ECONOMY TO THE OUTLOOK ABOUT THE ECONOMY TO THE PRESIDENT, SHOWING HIM GOOD PRESIDENT, SHOWING HIM GOOD DATA, TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO HIM DATA, TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO HIM WHY HE DOESN’T THINK A RECESSION WHY HE DOESN’T THINK A RECESSION IS IN THE OFFING. IS IN THE OFFING. AND IT CONFLICTS WITH OF COURSE AND IT CONFLICTS WITH OF COURSE WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS CONSUMING WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS CONSUMING ON TELEVISION AND WHAT HE’S ON TELEVISION AND WHAT HE’S READING IN NEWSPAPERS. READING IN NEWSPAPERS. AND THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN AND THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN TELLING FRIENDS THAT HE THINKS TELLING FRIENDS THAT HE THINKS THERE’S A CONSPIRACY AT PLAY THERE’S A CONSPIRACY AT PLAY HERE. HERE. THAT HE THINKS THE NEWS MEDIA IS THAT HE THINKS THE NEWS MEDIA IS PUMPING UP THE IDEA OF A PUMPING UP THE IDEA OF A RECESSION USING FAULTY DATA AND, RECESSION USING FAULTY DATA AND, IMPORTANTLY, HE DOESN’T BELIEVE IMPORTANTLY, HE DOESN’T BELIEVE ALL OF THE ECONOMIC STATISTICS ALL OF THE ECONOMIC STATISTICS HE SEES BECAUSE HE THINKS HE SEES BECAUSE HE THINKS ECONOMISTS ARE ELITES AND OUT TO ECONOMISTS ARE ELITES AND OUT TO GET HIM AND ARE USING AN GET HIM AND ARE USING AN ANTI-TRUMP BIAS WITH THEIR ANTI-TRUMP BIAS WITH THEIR NUMBERS TO TRY TO DERAIL HIS NUMBERS TO TRY TO DERAIL HIS RE-ELECTION HOPES. RE-ELECTION HOPES.>>PAUL SINGER, MASSIVE>>PAUL SINGER, MASSIVE REPUBLICAN WHO RUNS ELLIOTT REPUBLICAN WHO RUNS ELLIOTT MANAGEMENT JUST LAST WEEK MANAGEMENT JUST LAST WEEK WARNING OF A HUGE ECONOMIC WARNING OF A HUGE ECONOMIC SLOWDOWN. SLOWDOWN. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TEAM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TEAM SURROUNDING THE PRESIDENT. SURROUNDING THE PRESIDENT. PETER NAVARRO, LARRY KUDLOW, PETER NAVARRO, LARRY KUDLOW, STEVE MNUCHIN. STEVE MNUCHIN. “THE WASHINGTON POST” RAN “THE WASHINGTON POST” RAN MULTIPLE OP EDS THIS WEEKEND MULTIPLE OP EDS THIS WEEKEND CALLING THEM MEN WITHOUT A PLAN. CALLING THEM MEN WITHOUT A PLAN. GIVE US A BIT OF HISTORICAL GIVE US A BIT OF HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE. PERSPECTIVE. I HAD A GUEST LAST WEEK WHO SAID I HAD A GUEST LAST WEEK WHO SAID PRESIDENTS OBAMA AND BUSH IN PRESIDENTS OBAMA AND BUSH IN TIMES OF CRISIS WERE SURROUNDED TIMES OF CRISIS WERE SURROUNDED BY NBA ALL STAR TEAMS AND BY NBA ALL STAR TEAMS AND PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS THE HARLEM PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS THE HARLEM GLOBETROTTERS. GLOBETROTTERS.>>YOU HAVE AN UNUSUAL MOMENT>>YOU HAVE AN UNUSUAL MOMENT WHERE IT IS NOT JUST THAT THOSE WHERE IT IS NOT JUST THAT THOSE THREE LEADERS ARE NOT AS TESTED THREE LEADERS ARE NOT AS TESTED AND EXPERIENCED WITH KIND OF THE AND EXPERIENCED WITH KIND OF THE MECHANISMS OF GOVERNMENT AND HOW MECHANISMS OF GOVERNMENT AND HOW YOU USE THOSE TO TRY AND DEAL YOU USE THOSE TO TRY AND DEAL WITH ECONOMIC CHALLENGES BUT WITH ECONOMIC CHALLENGES BUT ALSO THE LEVEL UNDER THEM IS ALSO THE LEVEL UNDER THEM IS UNDER STAFFED. UNDER STAFFED. IF YOU GO TO TREASURY, GO TO THE IF YOU GO TO TREASURY, GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE, A LOT OF THE MID WHITE HOUSE, A LOT OF THE MID LEVEL JOBS ARE NOT AS STAFFED AS LEVEL JOBS ARE NOT AS STAFFED AS IN THE PAST. IN THE PAST. WHATEVER YOU THINK OF THE BUSH WHATEVER YOU THINK OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION WHEN THE CRISIS ADMINISTRATION WHEN THE CRISIS HAPPENED IN 2007, 2008, THEY HAPPENED IN 2007, 2008, THEY KIND OF CAST IDEOLOGY ASIDE, DID KIND OF CAST IDEOLOGY ASIDE, DID SOME BAIL OUTS THAT THEY DIDN’T SOME BAIL OUTS THAT THEY DIDN’T LIKE DOING. LIKE DOING. THEY DID SOME FISCAL STIMULUS THEY DID SOME FISCAL STIMULUS THEY DIDN’T LIKE DOING BUT THEY THEY DIDN’T LIKE DOING BUT THEY SAW DAMAGE AND RISK TO THE SAW DAMAGE AND RISK TO THE ECONOMY AND PULLED THE TRIGGERS ECONOMY AND PULLED THE TRIGGERS AND DID THOSE THINGS. AND DID THOSE THINGS. THE QUESTION IS, IF THINGS TAKE

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LUNATIC. LUNATIC. HE IS NOT WELL. HE IS NOT WELL. THOSE ARE NOT MY WORDS, THOSE THOSE ARE NOT MY WORDS, THOSE ARE THE WORDS OF ANDREW GILLUM, ARE THE WORDS OF ANDREW GILLUM, FORMER DEMOCRATIC MAYOR OF FORMER DEMOCRATIC MAYOR OF TALLAHASSEE, WHO CAME IN SECOND TALLAHASSEE, WHO CAME IN SECOND FOR LAST YEAR’S RACE FOR FOR LAST YEAR’S RACE FOR GOVERNOR IN FLORIDA, ECHOING GOVERNOR IN FLORIDA, ECHOING WHAT HAS BECOME MAINSTREAM WHAT HAS BECOME MAINSTREAM THINKING ABOUT THE MENTAL HEALTH THINKING ABOUT THE MENTAL HEALTH OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DURING A WEEK WHICH INN STATES DURING A WEEK WHICH INN WHICH THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID, HE WHICH THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID, HE IS THE KING OF THE JEWS, THE IS THE KING OF THE JEWS, THE SECOND COMING OF GOD, THE CHOSEN SECOND COMING OF GOD, THE CHOSEN ONE. ONE. THE SAME WEEK IN WHICH, EVEN THE SAME WEEK IN WHICH, EVEN THOUGH HE SEES HIMSELF AS A THOUGH HE SEES HIMSELF AS A KING, A GOD, A CHOSEN ONE, KING, A GOD, A CHOSEN ONE, DENMARK SOMEHOW FOUND THE DENMARK SOMEHOW FOUND THE STRENGTH TO DEFY HIM AND REFUSE STRENGTH TO DEFY HIM AND REFUSE TO SELL GREENLAND TO THE UNITED TO SELL GREENLAND TO THE UNITED STATES. STATES. AND SO THE PRESIDENT, THE KING, AND SO THE PRESIDENT, THE KING, THE GOD, SAYS HE CANCELLED A THE GOD, SAYS HE CANCELLED A TRIP TO DENMARK EVEN THOUGH HE TRIP TO DENMARK EVEN THOUGH HE PROBABLY CANCELED THE TRIP TO PROBABLY CANCELED THE TRIP TO DENMARK BECAUSE HE KNOWS DENMARK BECAUSE HE KNOWS PRESIDENT OBAMA IS SCHEDULED TO PRESIDENT OBAMA IS SCHEDULED TO GO TO DENMARK A FEW WEEKS AFTER GO TO DENMARK A FEW WEEKS AFTER WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE TRUMP WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE TRUMP TRIP AND PRESIDENT OBAMA WOULD TRIP AND PRESIDENT OBAMA WOULD SURELY GET A MUCH MORE POSITIVE SURELY GET A MUCH MORE POSITIVE RECEPTION FROM A MUCH, MUCH RECEPTION FROM A MUCH, MUCH BIGGER CROWD THAN DONALD TRUMP BIGGER CROWD THAN DONALD TRUMP COULD HAVE MARSHALED. COULD HAVE MARSHALED. PRETTY CRAZY TO SOBER, CAREFUL PRETTY CRAZY TO SOBER, CAREFUL POLITICIANS LIKE ANDREW GILLUM, POLITICIANS LIKE ANDREW GILLUM, WHO HAVE NEVER BEFORE CALLED A WHO HAVE NEVER BEFORE CALLED A POLITICAL OPPONENT A RAVING POLITICAL OPPONENT A RAVING LUNATIC. LUNATIC. WELL, WE TOLD YOU SO. WELL, WE TOLD YOU SO. ONE MONTH INTO THE TRUMP ONE MONTH INTO THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY, WE HAD OUR FIRST PRESIDENCY, WE HAD OUR FIRST DISCUSSION OF THE PRESIDENT’S DISCUSSION OF THE PRESIDENT’S MENTAL HEALTH ON THIS PROGRAM MENTAL HEALTH ON THIS PROGRAM WITH PSYCHOLOGIST JOHN GARTNER WITH PSYCHOLOGIST JOHN GARTNER AND FORMER PROFESSOR OF AND FORMER PROFESSOR OF PSYCHIATRY AT HARVARD MEDICAL PSYCHIATRY AT HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL, LANCE DOTUS. SCHOOL, LANCE DOTUS.>>IF WE COULD CONSTRUCT A>>IF WE COULD CONSTRUCT A PSYCHIATRIC FRANKENSTEIN PSYCHIATRIC FRANKENSTEIN MONSTER, WE COULD NOT CREATE A MONSTER, WE COULD NOT CREATE A LEADER MORE DANGEROUSLY MENTALLY LEADER MORE DANGEROUSLY MENTALLY ILL THAN DONALD TRUMP. ILL THAN DONALD TRUMP. HE’S A PARANOID, PSYCHOPATHIC HE’S A PARANOID, PSYCHOPATHIC NARCISSIST WHO’S DIVORCED FROM NARCISSIST WHO’S DIVORCED FROM REALITY AND LASHES OUT REALITY AND LASHES OUT IMPULSIVELY AT IMAGINED ENEMIES. IMPULSIVELY AT IMAGINED ENEMIES.>>HE LIES BECAUSE OF HIS>>HE LIES BECAUSE OF HIS SOCIOPATHIC TENDENCIES THAT DR. SOCIOPATHIC TENDENCIES THAT DR. GARTNER WAS TALKING ABOUT, THAT GARTNER WAS TALKING ABOUT, THAT HE LIES IN THE WAY ANYBODY WHO HE LIES IN THE WAY ANYBODY WHO SCAMS PEOPLE DOES. SCAMS PEOPLE DOES. HE’S TRYING TO SELL AN IDEA OR A HE’S TRYING TO SELL AN IDEA OR A PRODUCT BY TELLING YOU SOMETHING PRODUCT BY TELLING YOU SOMETHING THAT’S UNTRUE. THAT’S UNTRUE. THERE’S THAT LYING. THERE’S THAT LYING. THERE’S ALSO THE KIND OF LYING THERE’S ALSO THE KIND OF LYING HE HAS THAT IS IN A WAY MORE HE HAS THAT IS IN A WAY MORE SERIOUS, THAT HE HAS A LOOSE SERIOUS, THAT HE HAS A LOOSE GRIP ON REALITY. GRIP ON REALITY.>>IF HE WAS A PARANOID>>IF HE WAS A PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENIC AND HE WAS WEARING SCHIZOPHRENIC AND HE WAS WEARING A TINFOIL HAT, THEN HE WOULDN’T A TINFOIL HAT, THEN HE WOULDN’T BE ELECTED PRESIDENT. BE ELECTED PRESIDENT. BUT HE’S JUST SANE ENOUGH, AS IT BUT HE’S JUST SANE ENOUGH, AS IT WERE, TO PASS. WERE, TO PASS. BUT ACTUALLY DETACH FROM REALITY BUT ACTUALLY DETACH FROM REALITY SO THAT WHAT IS REAL IS FLUID. SO THAT WHAT IS REAL IS FLUID. IT’S TOTAL LILY MALLEABLE ACCORD IT’S TOTAL LILY MALLEABLE ACCORD TO HIS PERSONALITY DISORDER. TO HIS PERSONALITY DISORDER.>>LATER THAT YEAR, DR. GARTNER>>LATER THAT YEAR, DR. GARTNER AND DR. DOTUS CONTRIBUTED AND DR. DOTUS CONTRIBUTED ARTICLES TO THE BOOK “THE ARTICLES TO THE BOOK “THE DANGEROUS CASE OF DONALD TRUMP: DANGEROUS CASE OF DONALD TRUMP: 27 PSYCHIATRISTS AND MENTAL 27 PSYCHIATRISTS AND MENTAL HEALTH EXPERTS ASSESS A HEALTH EXPERTS ASSESS A PRESIDENT.” PRESIDENT.” A NEW EDITION OF THAT BOOK WAS A NEW EDITION OF THAT BOOK WAS PUBLISHED THIS YEAR WITH 10 MORE PUBLISHED THIS YEAR WITH 10 MORE ENTRIES WHICH THEN CHANGED THE ENTRIES WHICH THEN CHANGED THE SUBTITLE TO “37 PSYCHIATRISTS SUBTITLE TO “37 PSYCHIATRISTS AND MENTAL HEALTH EXPERTS ASSESS AND MENTAL HEALTH EXPERTS ASSESS A PRESIDENT.” A PRESIDENT.” IN THAT BOOK DR. DOTUS WRITES, IN THAT BOOK DR. DOTUS WRITES, MR. TRUMP’S SOCIAL I DON’T MR. TRUMP’S SOCIAL I DON’T PATHIC CHARACTERISTICS ARE PATHIC CHARACTERISTICS ARE UNDENIABLE, THEY CREATE A UNDENIABLE, THEY CREATE A PROFOUND DANGER FOR AMERICA’S PROFOUND DANGER FOR AMERICA’S DEMOCRACY AND SAFETY, OVER TIME DEMOCRACY AND SAFETY, OVER TIME THESE CHARACTERISTICS WILL ONLY THESE CHARACTERISTICS WILL ONLY BECOME WORSE. BECOME WORSE. JOINING OUR DISCUSSION IS DR. JOINING OUR DISCUSSION IS DR. LANCE DOTUS, FORMER ASSISTANT LANCE DOTUS, FORMER ASSISTANT PROFESSOR OF PSYCHIATRY AT PROFESSOR OF PSYCHIATRY AT HARVARD MEDICAL CENTER, ANALYST HARVARD MEDICAL CENTER, ANALYST AT THE BOSTON PSYCHO ANALYTIC AT THE BOSTON PSYCHO ANALYTIC SOCIETY AND INSTITUTE. SOCIETY AND INSTITUTE. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ONCE THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ONCE AGAIN. AGAIN.>>MY PLEASURE.>>MY PLEASURE.>>YOU TOLD US IN 2017 THAT IT>>YOU TOLD US IN 2017 THAT IT WAS GOING TO GET WORSE. WAS GOING TO GET WORSE. YOUR WORDS, “WILL ONLY BECOME YOUR WORDS, “WILL ONLY BECOME WORSE.” WORSE.” IS THAT WHAT WE’RE SEEING THIS IS THAT WHAT WE’RE SEEING THIS WEEK? WEEK?>>ABSOLUTELY.>>ABSOLUTELY. DONALD TRUMP, BECAUSE HE HAS A DONALD TRUMP, BECAUSE HE HAS A FUNDAMENTAL NEED TO BE ALL FUNDAMENTAL NEED TO BE ALL POWERFUL AND ALL LOVED, CAN’T POWERFUL AND ALL LOVED, CAN’T STAND CHALLENGES. STAND CHALLENGES. AND THE NATURE OF DEMOCRACY IS AND THE NATURE OF DEMOCRACY IS THAT IT CHALLENGES PEOPLE. THAT IT CHALLENGES PEOPLE. WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE OPINION. WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE OPINION. SO THE MORE — IT WAS SO THE MORE — IT WAS PREDICTABLE ONCE HE GOT INTO A PREDICTABLE ONCE HE GOT INTO A POSITION WHERE PEOPLE WOULD POSITION WHERE PEOPLE WOULD CHALLENGE HIM, THERE ARE TWO CHALLENGE HIM, THERE ARE TWO PARTIES, HE WOULD BECOME MORE PARTIES, HE WOULD BECOME MORE UNHINGED. UNHINGED. IN THE INTERVIEW TODAY, FOR IN THE INTERVIEW TODAY, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE SOUTH LAWN OF EXAMPLE, ON THE SOUTH LAWN OF THE WHITE HOUSE, HE SHOWED THAT. THE WHITE HOUSE, HE SHOWED THAT. AS YOU WATCHED HIM RESPOND TO AS YOU WATCHED HIM RESPOND TO PEOPLE, THE MORE THEY CHALLENGED PEOPLE, THE MORE THEY CHALLENGED HIM, THE MORE HE RANTED. HIM, THE MORE HE RANTED. HE STOPPED RESPONDING TO THE HE STOPPED RESPONDING TO THE QUESTIONS AND INSTEAD HE STARTED QUESTIONS AND INSTEAD HE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT HOW PEOPLE WERE TO TALK ABOUT HOW PEOPLE WERE AGENTS OF FAKE NEWS. AGENTS OF FAKE NEWS. HE SAID THAT THEY WOULD GO OUT HE SAID THAT THEY WOULD GO OUT OF BUSINESS SOON. OF BUSINESS SOON. BASICALLY, THEY WOULD DIE. BASICALLY, THEY WOULD DIE. THAT NBC AND “THE NEW YORK THAT NBC AND “THE NEW YORK TIMES” WOULD BE DEAD WITHIN SIX TIMES” WOULD BE DEAD WITHIN SIX YEARS. YEARS. THIS IS THE SAME KIND OF THING THIS IS THE SAME KIND OF THING THAT HE DID WHEN HE WAS A THAT HE DID WHEN HE WAS A CANDIDATE WHEN HE SUGGESTED CANDIDATE WHEN HE SUGGESTED SOMEONE PROTESTING AT HIS SOMEONE PROTESTING AT HIS CAMPAIGN RALLY BE TAKEN OUT AND CAMPAIGN RALLY BE TAKEN OUT AND BEATEN UP. BEATEN UP. HE CAN’T STAND ANYTHING THAT HE CAN’T STAND ANYTHING THAT DISAGREES WITH HIM, AND THE MORE DISAGREES WITH HIM, AND THE MORE YOU CHALLENGE HIM, THE MORE YOU CHALLENGE HIM, THE MORE UNHINGED HE BECOMES, THE MORE UNHINGED HE BECOMES, THE MORE PARANOID, AND THE MORE VIOLENT, PARANOID, AND THE MORE VIOLENT, POTENTIALLY. POTENTIALLY.>>TODAY HE’S SAYING THAT THE>>TODAY HE’S SAYING THAT THE REASON HE’S CANCELING HIS TRIP REASON HE’S CANCELING HIS TRIP TO DENMARK IS THE PRIME MINISTER TO DENMARK IS THE PRIME MINISTER USED THE WORD “ABSURD” TO USED THE WORD “ABSURD” TO DESCRIBE DONALD TRUMP’S IDEA. DESCRIBE DONALD TRUMP’S IDEA. AND HE KEPT SAYING, REPEATEDLY AND HE KEPT SAYING, REPEATEDLY IN THAT TALK TO REPORTERS YOU’RE IN THAT TALK TO REPORTERS YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, REPEATEDLY TALKING ABOUT TODAY, REPEATEDLY SAYING THAT WAS SUCH A NASTY SAYING THAT WAS SUCH A NASTY WORD, BAD WORD TO USE, “ABSURD.” WORD, BAD WORD TO USE, “ABSURD.” HOLD THAT IN OUR MINDS WHEN WE HOLD THAT IN OUR MINDS WHEN WE CONSIDER DONALD TRUMP’S CONSIDER DONALD TRUMP’S RELATIONSHIP TO KIM JONG-UN, WHO RELATIONSHIP TO KIM JONG-UN, WHO HE USED TO CALL ROCKET MAN. HE USED TO CALL ROCKET MAN. THAT’S WHAT DONALD TRUMP USED TO THAT’S WHAT DONALD TRUMP USED TO CALL HIM. CALL HIM. AND AT THE SAME TIME THAT HE WAS AND AT THE SAME TIME THAT HE WAS CALLING HIM ROCKET MAN, KIM CALLING HIM ROCKET MAN, KIM JONG-UN WAS CALLING HIM THE JONG-UN WAS CALLING HIM THE MENTALLY DERANGED U.S. DOTARD. MENTALLY DERANGED U.S. DOTARD. AND THEN EVENTUALLY, AFTER ALL AND THEN EVENTUALLY, AFTER ALL OF THAT, DOCTOR, DONALD TRUMP OF THAT, DOCTOR, DONALD TRUMP THEN EVENTUALLY TURNED INTO THE THEN EVENTUALLY TURNED INTO THE GUY WHO LOVES KIM JONG-UN. GUY WHO LOVES KIM JONG-UN. LET’S LISTEN TO THAT PART OF IT. LET’S LISTEN TO THAT PART OF IT.>>AND THEN WE FELL IN LOVE.>>AND THEN WE FELL IN LOVE. OKAY? OKAY? NO, REALLY. NO, REALLY. HE WROTE ME BEAUTIFUL LETTERS. HE WROTE ME BEAUTIFUL LETTERS. AND THEY’RE GREAT LETTERS. AND THEY’RE GREAT LETTERS. WE FELL IN LOVE. WE FELL IN LOVE.>>WHAT ARE WE SEEING IN ALL OF>>WHAT ARE WE SEEING IN ALL OF THAT? THAT? HE CANCELS A TRIP BECAUSE OF THE HE CANCELS A TRIP BECAUSE OF THE WORD “ABSURD.” WORD “ABSURD.” THE GUY WHO CALLS HIM A MENTALLY THE GUY WHO CALLS HIM A MENTALLY DERANGED U.S. DOTARD IS SOMEONE DERANGED U.S. DOTARD IS SOMEONE HE THEN EVENTUALLY FALLS IN LOVE HE THEN EVENTUALLY FALLS IN LOVE WITH? WITH?>>WELL, HE DOESN’T REALLY LOVE>>WELL, HE DOESN’T REALLY LOVE ANYONE EXCEPT HIMSELF. ANYONE EXCEPT HIMSELF. THAT’S NOT A SLUR, THAT’S A THAT’S NOT A SLUR, THAT’S A PSYCHOLOGICAL FACT. PSYCHOLOGICAL FACT. PEOPLE LIKE HIM ARE ABOUT HIM. PEOPLE LIKE HIM ARE ABOUT HIM. AND WE SEE THIS NOT ONLY WITH AND WE SEE THIS NOT ONLY WITH THE NORTH KOREAN LEADER, BUT THE NORTH KOREAN LEADER, BUT WITH ALL THE PEOPLE HE WITH ALL THE PEOPLE HE SURROUNDED HIMSELF FOR MOST OF SURROUNDED HIMSELF FOR MOST OF HIS LIFE WHO ARE NOW RECOGNIZED HIS LIFE WHO ARE NOW RECOGNIZED AS CRIMINALS. AS CRIMINALS. AS LONG AS THEY STAY LIL TO HIM, AS LONG AS THEY STAY LIL TO HIM, HE LOVES THEM. HE LOVES THEM. AS SOON AS THEY CHALLENGE HIM, AS SOON AS THEY CHALLENGE HIM, AS SOON AS THEY DISAGREE, THEN AS SOON AS THEY DISAGREE, THEN THEY’RE TERRIBLE PEOPLE. THEY’RE TERRIBLE PEOPLE. WHICH HE HAS SAID ABOUT EACH OF WHICH HE HAS SAID ABOUT EACH OF THESE FOLKS. THESE FOLKS. SO OF COURSE IT MEANS NOTHING. SO OF COURSE IT MEANS NOTHING. HE NEVER LOVED HIM, HE ONLY USED HE NEVER LOVED HIM, HE ONLY USED HIM. HIM. IF HE’S NOT USEFUL TO HIM, HE IF HE’S NOT USEFUL TO HIM, HE STOPS LOVING HIM. STOPS LOVING HIM. THAT’S PART OF THE ESSENTIAL THAT’S PART OF THE ESSENTIAL EMPTINESS OF DONALD TRUMP. EMPTINESS OF DONALD TRUMP. HE DOESN’T HAVE REAL HE DOESN’T HAVE REAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE. RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE. MAYBE HIS PERSONAL FAMILY, WE MAYBE HIS PERSONAL FAMILY, WE DON’T KNOW ABOUT THAT. DON’T KNOW ABOUT THAT. BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT HE DISCARDS BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT HE DISCARDS ANYONE WHO DOESN’T FIT HIS ANYONE WHO DOESN’T FIT HIS PERSONAL NEEDS, WHICH MAKES HIM PERSONAL NEEDS, WHICH MAKES HIM UNABLE TO REALLY RELATE TO OUR UNABLE TO REALLY RELATE TO OUR ALLIES AS WELL AS OUR ENEMIES. ALLIES AS WELL AS OUR ENEMIES.>>AND DOCTOR, WE NEED YOUR>>AND DOCTOR, WE NEED YOUR ANALYSIS OF A PRESIDENT WHO ANALYSIS OF A PRESIDENT WHO STANDS UP AND COMPARES HIMSELF STANDS UP AND COMPARES HIMSELF TO A KING, REFERS TO HIMSELF AS TO A KING, REFERS TO HIMSELF AS KING OF THE JEWS, REFERS TO KING OF THE JEWS, REFERS TO HIMSELF IN A GODLIKE WAY, TURNS HIMSELF IN A GODLIKE WAY, TURNS TO THE HEAVENS TODAY AND CALLS TO THE HEAVENS TODAY AND CALLS HIMSELF THE CHOSEN ONE. HIMSELF THE CHOSEN ONE. WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS THAT?>>WELL, IT’S OBVIOUSLY GRAND>>WELL, IT’S OBVIOUSLY GRAND CROSSTY. CROSSTY. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE A LOT OF GRANDIOSE PEOPLE, ARE A LOT OF GRANDIOSE PEOPLE, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NARCISSISTIC. ARE NARCISSISTIC. DONALD TRUMP GOES WAY BEYOND DONALD TRUMP GOES WAY BEYOND THAT. THAT. THERE IS A FUNDAMENTAL WAY IN THERE IS A FUNDAMENTAL WAY IN WHICH HE’S EMPTY. WHICH HE’S EMPTY. THERE’S SOMETHING FUNDAMENTALLY THERE’S SOMETHING FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT ABOUT HIM FROM NORMAL DIFFERENT ABOUT HIM FROM NORMAL PEOPLE. PEOPLE. IT’S A PSYCHOTIC-LIKE STATE. IT’S A PSYCHOTIC-LIKE STATE. THE MORE YOU PRESS HIM, THE MORE THE MORE YOU PRESS HIM, THE MORE YOU SEE HOW DISORGANIZED AND YOU SEE HOW DISORGANIZED AND EMPTY HE IS. EMPTY HE IS. THE MORE HE FLIES INTO A THE MORE HE FLIES INTO A DISORGANIZED RAGE. DISORGANIZED RAGE. SO YEAH, AND BY THE WAY, IN SO YEAH, AND BY THE WAY, IN TERMS OF BEING GOD, HE ALSO MADE TERMS OF BEING GOD, HE ALSO MADE SEVERAL WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL SEVERAL WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL FREUDIAN SLIPS DURING THE FREUDIAN SLIPS DURING THE INTERVIEW TODAY. INTERVIEW TODAY. HE KEPT MIXING UP WHO HE WAS AND HE KEPT MIXING UP WHO HE WAS AND WHO THE COUNTRY WAS. WHO THE COUNTRY WAS. HE SAID “I HAVE THE BEST HE SAID “I HAVE THE BEST ECONOMY.” ECONOMY.” I, NOT THE COUNTRY. I, NOT THE COUNTRY. “I DEFEATED THE CALIPHATE.” “I DEFEATED THE CALIPHATE.” IT’S NOT JUST A SLIP OF THE IT’S NOT JUST A SLIP OF THE TONGUE. TONGUE. HE REALLY DOESN’T GET IT. HE REALLY DOESN’T GET IT. HE THINKS OF HIMSELF AS A HE THINKS OF HIMSELF AS A DICTATOR AND IT’S ALL HIM AND NO DICTATOR AND IT’S ALL HIM AND NO ONE ELSE REALLY MATTERS. ONE ELSE REALLY MATTERS.>>DR. LANCE DODES, THANK YOU>>DR. LANCE DODES, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ONCE AGAIN, THANK FOR JOINING US ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR STARTING THIS YOU FOR STARTING THIS CONVERSATION ON THIS PROGRAM. CONVERSATION ON THIS PROGRAM. BACK IN WHAT WAS THE SECOND BACK IN WHAT WAS THE SECOND MONTH, BASICALLY, OF THE TRUMP MONTH, BASICALLY, OF THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY. PRESIDENCY. 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>>>FORMER OLYMPIC GYMNASTICS>>>FORMER OLYMPIC GYMNASTICS DOCTOR NASSAR WAS SENTENCED LAST DOCTOR NASSAR WAS SENTENCED LAST YEAR TO 40 TO 175 YEARS IN YEAR TO 40 TO 175 YEARS IN PRISON FOR MOLESTING YOUNG GIRLS PRISON FOR MOLESTING YOUNG GIRLS UNDER THE GUISE OF TREATMENT. UNDER THE GUISE OF TREATMENT. DURING THE MARATHON SENTENCING DURING THE MARATHON SENTENCING HEARING, 156 OF NASSAR’S HEARING, 156 OF NASSAR’S ACCUSERS GAVE STATEMENTS OF HOW ACCUSERS GAVE STATEMENTS OF HOW THE DISGRACED PHYSICIAN ABUSED THE DISGRACED PHYSICIAN ABUSED THEM INCLUDING OLYMPIC GOLD THEM INCLUDING OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALIST ALY RAISMAN AND JORDAN MEDALIST ALY RAISMAN AND JORDAN WIEBER. WIEBER. HE IS ALSO SERVING A SENTENCE HE IS ALSO SERVING A SENTENCE FOR POEGSSESSION OF CHILD FOR POEGSSESSION OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. PORNOGRAPHY. CRITICS BELIEVE THAT THE ABUSE CRITICS BELIEVE THAT THE ABUSE COULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED SOONER COULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED SOONER IF ACTION WAS TAKEN BY IF ACTION WAS TAKEN BY INSTITUTIONS SUCH AS MICHIGAN INSTITUTIONS SUCH AS MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY WHERE HE HAD A STATE UNIVERSITY WHERE HE HAD A SPORTS MEDICINE PRACTICE AND SPORTS MEDICINE PRACTICE AND WHICH RECEIVED REPORTS OF SEXUAL WHICH RECEIVED REPORTS OF SEXUAL ABUSE BY HIM AS EARLY AS THE ABUSE BY HIM AS EARLY AS THE 1990s. 1990s. FOLLOWING AN 18 MONTH SENATE FOLLOWING AN 18 MONTH SENATE INVESTIGATION LAUNCHED AFTER INVESTIGATION LAUNCHED AFTER NASSAR’S SENTENCING THAT FOUND NASSAR’S SENTENCING THAT FOUND THE U.S. OLYMPIC COMMITTEE AND THE U.S. OLYMPIC COMMITTEE AND USA GYMNASTICS KNOWINGLY USA GYMNASTICS KNOWINGLY CONCEALED THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF CONCEALED THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF GYMNASTS, LAWMAKERS ARE GYMNASTS, LAWMAKERS ARE INTRODUCING NEW LEGISLATION THAT INTRODUCING NEW LEGISLATION THAT WOULD HOLD THE SPORTS GOVERNING WOULD HOLD THE SPORTS GOVERNING BODIES TO ARE MORE STRINGENT BODIES TO ARE MORE STRINGENT ACCOUNTABILITY. ACCOUNTABILITY. AND JOINING US, TWO OF THE AND JOINING US, TWO OF THE DRIVING FORCES BEHIND THE DRIVING FORCES BEHIND THE LEGISLATION. LEGISLATION. RICHARD BLUMENTHAL AND JERRY RICHARD BLUMENTHAL AND JERRY MORAN. MORAN. YES, THINGS ARE HAPPENING BEYOND YES, THINGS ARE HAPPENING BEYOND TRUMP LAND HERE, TRYING TO GO TRUMP LAND HERE, TRYING TO GO GET THINGS DONE IN WASHINGTON. GET THINGS DONE IN WASHINGTON. SENATOR BLUMENTHAL, TELL US WHAT SENATOR BLUMENTHAL, TELL US WHAT THE LEGISLATION DOES THAT WOULD THE LEGISLATION DOES THAT WOULD PREVENT WHAT HAPPENED. PREVENT WHAT HAPPENED.>>YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT>>YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT LARRY NASSAR WAS A MONSTER LARRY NASSAR WAS A MONSTER PREDATOR. PREDATOR. HE WILL SPEND THE REST OF HIS HE WILL SPEND THE REST OF HIS LIFE BEHIND BARS. LIFE BEHIND BARS. BUT HE WAS NOT A LONE WOLF. BUT HE WAS NOT A LONE WOLF. HE WAS ENABLED BY THE U.S. HE WAS ENABLED BY THE U.S. OLYMPIC COMMITTEE AND BY THE OLYMPIC COMMITTEE AND BY THE GHAGS GHAGS NATIONAL GOVERNING BOARDS. NATIONAL GOVERNING BOARDS. THERE IS A LONG LIST OF OTHER THERE IS A LONG LIST OF OTHER PREDATORS STILL OUT THERE, A PREDATORS STILL OUT THERE, A LONG LIST OF ENABLERS WHO HAVE LONG LIST OF ENABLERS WHO HAVE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. AND OTHER SPORTS LIKE SWIMMING, AND OTHER SPORTS LIKE SWIMMING, WRESTLING AND FIGURE SKATES WRESTLING AND FIGURE SKATES WHERE THERE HAS BEEN SIMILAR WHERE THERE HAS BEEN SIMILAR KINDS OF ABUSE. KINDS OF ABUSE. SO OUR LEGISLATION WOULD PRODUCE SO OUR LEGISLATION WOULD PRODUCE A SEISMIC CHANGE IN CULTURE. A SEISMIC CHANGE IN CULTURE. NO MORE MEDALS AND MONEY ABOVE NO MORE MEDALS AND MONEY ABOVE MORALS. MORALS. USA GYMNASTICS WAS ROTTEN TO THE USA GYMNASTICS WAS ROTTEN TO THE CORE. CORE. WE’LL HOLD U.S. OLYMPICS WE’LL HOLD U.S. OLYMPICS RESPONSIBLE. RESPONSIBLE. THEY WILL BE LEGALLY THEY WILL BE LEGALLY ACCOUNTABLE. ACCOUNTABLE. THEY WILL HAVE REPORTING DUTIES. THEY WILL HAVE REPORTING DUTIES. THEY WILL HAVE TO DISCLOSE THE THEY WILL HAVE TO DISCLOSE THE NAMES OF THOSE PREDATORS THAT NAMES OF THOSE PREDATORS THAT ARE FOUND. ARE FOUND. AND THEY WILL HAVE TO BE LEGALLY AND THEY WILL HAVE TO BE LEGALLY LIABLE. LIABLE. EVERY INDIVIDUAL. EVERY INDIVIDUAL. AND EVERY OFFICIAL AND THE AND EVERY OFFICIAL AND THE ORGANIZATION ITSELF. ORGANIZATION ITSELF. CONGRESS WILL BE ABLE TO DISBAND CONGRESS WILL BE ABLE TO DISBAND AND FIRE THEM IF THEY FAME TO DO AND FIRE THEM IF THEY FAME TO DO THE RIGHT THING. THE RIGHT THING. AND I THINK THE FIRST TEST IS AND I THINK THE FIRST TEST IS WHETHER THE OLYMPIC COMMITTEE WHETHER THE OLYMPIC COMMITTEE SUPPORTS THE LEGISLATION. SUPPORTS THE LEGISLATION.>>AND SENATOR MORAN, WHAT IS>>AND SENATOR MORAN, WHAT IS THE POSSIBILITY OF SEEING DEBATE THE POSSIBILITY OF SEEING DEBATE AND GETTING PASSED? AND GETTING PASSED?>>I THINK THIS IS AN>>I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE DON’T SEE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE DON’T SEE OFTEN ENOUGH IN CONGRESS, THE OFTEN ENOUGH IN CONGRESS, THE UNITED STATES SENATE, VERY UNITED STATES SENATE, VERY BIPARTISAN EFFORT, A VERY BIPARTISAN EFFORT, A VERY SERIOUS 18 MONTH INVESTIGATION. SERIOUS 18 MONTH INVESTIGATION. I DON’T SEE HOW IT CANNOT BECOME I DON’T SEE HOW IT CANNOT BECOME LAW. LAW. THE SENATE IS POISED CERTAINLY THE SENATE IS POISED CERTAINLY OUR COMMITTEE TO PASS — DEBATE OUR COMMITTEE TO PASS — DEBATE AND PASS THIS LEGISLATION. AND PASS THIS LEGISLATION. WE WOULD EXPECT TIME ON THE WE WOULD EXPECT TIME ON THE SENATE FLOOR. SENATE FLOOR. THE HOUSE THEN ENACT IT AND THE HOUSE THEN ENACT IT AND BECOME LAW. BECOME LAW. AND SINGLE THECERTAINLY THE EFFO AND SINGLE THECERTAINLY THE EFFO SENATE AND I COMMEND SENATOR SENATE AND I COMMEND SENATOR BLUMENTHAL FOR OUR WORK BLUMENTHAL FOR OUR WORK TOGETHER. TOGETHER. BUT IT IS THE SURVIVES, THE BUT IT IS THE SURVIVES, THE ATHLETES WHO CAME BEFORE OUR ATHLETES WHO CAME BEFORE OUR COMMITTEE WHO APPEARED WITH US, COMMITTEE WHO APPEARED WITH US, WHO SPOKE OF THEIR STORIES, WHO WHO SPOKE OF THEIR STORIES, WHO TOLD WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. TOLD WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. AND THEIR COURAGE IS WHAT THEN AND THEIR COURAGE IS WHAT THEN REQUIRES, ENABLES, INSISTS THAT REQUIRES, ENABLES, INSISTS THAT WE RESPOND BY MAKING CERTAIN WE RESPOND BY MAKING CERTAIN THAT THERE IS A RESULT FROM THAT THERE IS A RESULT FROM THEIR COURAGEOUS ACTIONS. THEIR COURAGEOUS ACTIONS. TOO OFTEN — AND THE ATHLETES TOO OFTEN — AND THE ATHLETES SAID THAT THEY WERE FAILED BY SAID THAT THEY WERE FAILED BY THOSE THEY EXPECTED TO PROTECT THOSE THEY EXPECTED TO PROTECT THEM, INSTITUTIONS AND PEOPLE. THEM, INSTITUTIONS AND PEOPLE. AND THEIR REQUEST WAS PLEASE AND THEIR REQUEST WAS PLEASE MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE ARE NOT MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE ARE NOT FAILED BY THE UNITED STATES FAILED BY THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS. CONGRESS. AND SENATOR PLUMEBLUMENTHAL AND AND SENATOR PLUMEBLUMENTHAL AND COMMITTED TO MAKING CERTAIN THAT COMMITTED TO MAKING CERTAIN THAT THIS LEGISLATION BECOMES LAW AND THIS LEGISLATION BECOMES LAW AND THAT IT PROTECTS THOSE WHO ARE THAT IT PROTECTS THOSE WHO ARE IN THIS KIND OF CIRCUMSTANCE IN IN THIS KIND OF CIRCUMSTANCE IN THE FUTURE AND THAT IT PROVIDES THE FUTURE AND THAT IT PROVIDES JUSTICE FOR THOSE WHO JUSTICE FOR THOSE WHO ENCOUNTERED LARRY NASSAR AND ENCOUNTERED LARRY NASSAR AND OTHERS TO DATE. OTHERS TO DATE. SO THIS IS — NO QUESTION IN MY SO THIS IS — NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THIS IS A TASK THAT MUST BE MIND THIS IS A TASK THAT MUST BE ACCOMPLISHED AND WILL BE. ACCOMPLISHED AND WILL BE.>>THIS IS KASIE HUNT.>>THIS IS KASIE HUNT. SENATOR BLUMENTHAL, YOU SENATOR BLUMENTHAL, YOU MENTIONED THAT IT WILL BE A KEY MENTIONED THAT IT WILL BE A KEY TEST IF USA GYMNASTICS ACTUALLY TEST IF USA GYMNASTICS ACTUALLY SUPPORTS THIS LEGISLATION. SUPPORTS THIS LEGISLATION. I’M INTERESTED TO KNOW IN THE I’M INTERESTED TO KNOW IN THE COURSE OF YOUR INVESTIGATION, COURSE OF YOUR INVESTIGATION, DID YOU FIND THAT THESE MAJOR DID YOU FIND THAT THESE MAJOR INSTITUTIONS, THE U.S. OLYMPIC INSTITUTIONS, THE U.S. OLYMPIC COMMITTEE, USA GYMNASTICS AND COMMITTEE, USA GYMNASTICS AND ALSO MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY, ALSO MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY, DID THEY FACILITATE THE WORK DID THEY FACILITATE THE WORK THAT YOU DID OR DID THEY STAND THAT YOU DID OR DID THEY STAND IN YOUR WAY? IN YOUR WAY? WHAT SIGNALS DID ANY SEND TO YOU WHAT SIGNALS DID ANY SEND TO YOU ABOUT HOW SERIOUS THEY ARE ABOUT ABOUT HOW SERIOUS THEY ARE ABOUT FIXING THIS? FIXING THIS?>>VERY BLUNTLY ALL OF THOSE>>VERY BLUNTLY ALL OF THOSE INSTITUTIONS FACILITATED AN INSTITUTIONS FACILITATED AN ECOSYSTEM THAT IN EFFECT ECOSYSTEM THAT IN EFFECT CONDONED, ENABLED THIS KIND OF CONDONED, ENABLED THIS KIND OF ABUSE. ABUSE. THEY TURNED A BLIND EYE. THEY TURNED A BLIND EYE. AND THESE ATHLETES WERE SO AND THESE ATHLETES WERE SO MOVING. MOVING. THE ATHLETES ARE PROFILES IN THE ATHLETES ARE PROFILES IN COURAGE. COURAGE. THESE INSTITUTIONS AND THEIR THESE INSTITUTIONS AND THEIR OFFICIALS ARE PROFILES IN OFFICIALS ARE PROFILES IN COWARDICE COWARDICE COWARDICE. COWARDICE. WE HAVE REFERRED ONE OF THEM, WE HAVE REFERRED ONE OF THEM, FORMER CHIEF EXECUTIVE SCOTT FORMER CHIEF EXECUTIVE SCOTT BLACKMAN FOR CRIMINAL BLACKMAN FOR CRIMINAL PROSECUTION. PROSECUTION. AND ANOTHER, HEAD OF USA AND ANOTHER, HEAD OF USA GYMNASTICS, IS UNDER STATE GYMNASTICS, IS UNDER STATE INDICTMENT. INDICTMENT. THERE ARE OTHER POTENTIAL THERE ARE OTHER POTENTIAL INDIVIDUALS WHO SHOULD BE HELD INDIVIDUALS WHO SHOULD BE HELD CULPABLE CRIMINALLY AND CIVILLY. CULPABLE CRIMINALLY AND CIVILLY. BUT THE EXAMPLE OF THESE BUT THE EXAMPLE OF THESE ATHLETES WHO SPOKE TRUTH TO ATHLETES WHO SPOKE TRUTH TO POWER OUGHT TO GIVE VOICE AND POWER OUGHT TO GIVE VOICE AND FACE TO OTHERS. FACE TO OTHERS. AND PART OF WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO AND PART OF WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS TO CREATE SAFE SPACES DO HERE IS TO CREATE SAFE SPACES AT THE LOCKER ROOMS, FIELDS, SO AT THE LOCKER ROOMS, FIELDS, SO THAT SAFE SPORTS WILL ACTUALLY THAT SAFE SPORTS WILL ACTUALLY KEEP PEOPLE SAFE AND MAKE THEM KEEP PEOPLE SAFE AND MAKE THEM ABLE TO COME FORWARD WITHOUT ABLE TO COME FORWARD WITHOUT FEAR EVER RETALIATION. FEAR EVER RETALIATION.>>AND THIS WAS THE SURPRISING>>AND THIS WAS THE SURPRISING DISCOURAGING DAMNING THING OF MY DISCOURAGING DAMNING THING OF MY OBSERVATION OF WHAT TRANSZPIRED OBSERVATION OF WHAT TRANSZPIRED WAS TOO MANY PEOPLE LOOKED THE WAS TOO MANY PEOPLE LOOKED THE OTHER WAY. OTHER WAY. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT — I BELIEVE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT — I BELIEVE ALL OF US HAVE A RESPONSIBLE IF ALL OF US HAVE A RESPONSIBLE IF SOMEBODY BRINGS US A STORY OF SOMEBODY BRINGS US A STORY OF SEXUAL ABUSE, OF EMOTIONAL SEXUAL ABUSE, OF EMOTIONAL ABUSE, PARTICULARLY THESE YOUNG ABUSE, PARTICULARLY THESE YOUNG WOMEN, BUT YOUNG PEOPLE, ANYONE WOMEN, BUT YOUNG PEOPLE, ANYONE THAT WE ALL HAVE A MORAL AND THAT WE ALL HAVE A MORAL AND LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY TO RESPOND. LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY TO RESPOND. AND WE DID NOT SEE THAT OFTEN AND WE DID NOT SEE THAT OFTEN ENOUGH. ENOUGH. WE SAW IT RARELY. WE SAW IT RARELY. AND SO THIS WAS — THIS JUST ONE AND SO THIS WAS — THIS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REMIND ALL OF OF THE THINGS THAT REMIND ALL OF US OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT US OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAVE TO TRY TO PROTECT THOSE WE HAVE TO TRY TO PROTECT THOSE WHO ARE MORE VULNERABLE, TRY TO WHO ARE MORE VULNERABLE, TRY TO PROTECT EVERY PERSON FROM THIS PROTECT EVERY PERSON FROM THIS KIND OF HEINOUS BEHAVIOR AND IT KIND OF HEINOUS BEHAVIOR AND IT DIDN’T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. DIDN’T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN.>>SENATORS, THANK YOU BOTH VERY>>SENATORS, THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH. MUCH.>>>STILL AHEAD, NBC NEWS>>>STILL AHEAD, NBC NEWS OBTAINS DOCUMENTS THAT SUGGEST OBTAINS DOCUMENTS THAT SUGGEST NEW EFFORTS TO CRACKDOWN ON NEW EFFORTS TO CRACKDOWN ON CREDIBLE ASYLUM CLAIMS. CREDIBLE ASYLUM CLAIMS. ANOTHER STEVENPHEN MILLER SPECIA ANOTHER STEVENPHEN MILLER SPECIA FOR YOU. FOR YOU.>>>PLUS THE PRESIDENT TRIES TO>>>PLUS THE PRESIDENT TRIES TO FIRE UP HIS BUSINESS WITH FIRE UP HIS BUSINESS WITH INCREASINGLY DIVISIVE RHETORIC. INCREASINGLY DIVISIVE RHETORIC. WE HAVE THE NEW POLL NUMBERS WE HAVE THE NEW POLL NUMBERS THAT SNOW JUST HOW MUCH IT IS THAT SNOW JUST HOW MUCH IT IS NOT WORKING FOR HIS RE-ELECTION