Don Lemon, sheriff spar over police shootings


>>>OUR BREAKING NEWS TONIGHT. THREE OFFICERS DEAD, THREE WOUNDED IN BATON ROUGE. A TOUGH DAY FOR BATON ROUGE AND FOR THE COUNTRY. HERE TO TALK ABOUT HOW TO KEEP OUR POLICE SAFE IS SHERIFF DAVID CLARK OF MILWAUKEE COUNTY, WISCONSIN. HE’S GOING TO BE SPEAKING AT THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION TOMORROW NIGHT. SHERIFF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. HORRIFIC DAY. SPOKE TO THE HEADS OF THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT AND POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE STATE POLICE DOWN THERE. THEY TOLD US HOW THEIR HEARTS WERE REELING. THEIR MESSAGE IS PEACE AND COMING TOGETHER IN THE COUNTRY. WHAT’S YOUR MESSAGE?>>YOU DON’T BELIEVE THAT FOR ONE MINUTE, DO YOU?>>THAT THEIR MESSAGE IS?>>THAT’S WHAT THEY SAID TO ME.>>OKAY. YEAH, I BELIEVE THEM.>>PROTESTS OVER THE DEATHS OF THE COPS IN BATON ROUGE?>>I DON’T KNOW THAT.>>ANY RIOTS OR PROTESTS OVER THE POLICE OFFICERS IN DALLAS, TEXAS?>>WHAT ARE YOU ASKING?>>IT’S A PRETTY SIMPLE QUESTION.>>I ASKED YOU WHAT YOUR MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE, THEIR MESSAGE IS ONE OF PEACE. WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE?>>MY MESSAGE HAS BEEN CLEAR FROM DAY ONE TWO YEARS AGO. THIS ANTI-COP SENTIMENT FROM THIS HATEFUL IDEOLOGY CALLED BLACK LIVES MATTER HAS FUELED THIS RAGE AGAINST THE AMERICAN POLICE OFFICER. I PREDICTED THIS TWO YEARS AGO.>>DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS WAS BECAUSE OF THAT?>>YES, I DO.>>AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER — >>I’VE BEEN WATCHING THIS FOR TWO YEARS. I’VE PREDICTED THIS. THIS ANTI-POLICE RHETORIC SWEEPING THE COUNTRY HAS TURNED OUT SOME HATEFUL THINGS INSIDE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NOW PLAYING THEMSELVES OUT ON THE AMERICAN POLICE OFFICER. I WANT TO KNOW WITH ALL OF THE BLACK ON BLACK VIOLENCE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, BY THE WAY, WHEN THE TRAGEDIES HAPPENED IN LOUISIANA AND MINNESOTA, YOU KNOW THAT 21 BLACK PEOPLE WERE MURDERED ACROSS THE UNITED STATES? WAS THERE ANY REPORTING ON THAT?>>BLACK OFFICER WHO WAS KILLED TODAY.>>WAS THERE ANY REPORTING ON THAT?>>SHERIFF, PLEASE. LET’S JUST KEEP THE VIBE DOWN HERE. SO I UNDERSTAND, AND, LISTEN — >>I’M LOOKING AT THREE DEAD COPS THIS WEEK AND I AM LOOKING AT FIVE LAST WEEK. YOU’RE TRYING TO TELL ME TO KEEP IT DOWN?>>CAN WE JUST PLEASE? WE CAN KEEP IT CIVIL. THE MESSAGE TO PEOPLE AT HOME, I’M SURE YOU WANT IS ONE OF CIVILITY.>>DON, I WISH YOU HAD THAT MESSAGE OF CIVILITY — >>I’M TRYING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU — >>FOR THIS HATEFUL IDEOLOGY. THESE PURVEYORS OF HATE.>>WHAT I WANT TO SAY TO YOU IS THESE PEOPLE — ARE WISCONSIN, HERE LIVE IN CLEVELAND, YOU’RE SET TO SPEAK TOMORROW. AND ALL I WANT TO DO IS HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU, I CAN’T HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU IF WE’RE BOTH TALKING AT THE SAME TIME. WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME IS THAT YOU’RE ACCUSING ME OF VIOLENCE, BY SUPPORTING A NARRATIVE THAT I’M NOT NECESSARILY IN SUPPORT OF. I DON’T SUPPORT VIOLENCE AGAINST POLICE OFFICERS OR ANYONE. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, I AM MORE THAN WILLING TO WELCOME A CONVERSATION WITH YOU, I DON’T DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT THERE’S A NARRATIVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT COULD BE HARMING POLICE OFFICERS, BUT WE DON’T KNOW RIGHT NOW, AS SOMEONE WHO WAS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, IF THAT WAS THE ACTUAL CAUSE OF IT.>>LET ME ASK YOU THIS, DO WE KNOW THAT GENERALLY THE AMERICAN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE RACIST? DO WE KNOW THIS?>>GO ON.>>I ASKED A QUESTION.>>DO I KNOW THAT IN GENERAL AMERICAN LAW ENFORCEMENT IS RA RACIST? IF YOU’RE ACCUSING THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT ACROSS THIS COUNTRY AS A WHOLE IS RACIST, THEN YOUR ASSUMPTION IS WRONG.>>THIS WHOLE ANTI-POLICE RHETORIC IS BASED ON A LIE. THERE IS NO DATA, AND YOU KNOW THIS, THERE IS NO DATA, THERE IS NO RESEARCH THAT PROVES ANY OF THAT NONSENSE. NONE.>>YOU HAVE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT DATA AND WHAT NONSENSE YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT.>>THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TREAT BLACK MALES DIFFERENT THAN WHITE MALES IN POLICING IN THESE URBAN CENTERS.>>THERE IS DATA THAT SUPPORTS THAT.>>THERE IS NOT DATA.>>THE PRESIDENT SPOKE ABOUT IT. CEDRIC ALEXANDER, WHO’S A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.>>THE PRESIDENT IS LYING ABOUT IT. HE SAID IT THE OTHER DAY WHEN HE SAID THAT BLACK MALES ARE TWO TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE SHOT BY A WHITE POLICE OFFICER AN A BLACK POLICE OFFICER. THAT IS A LIE.>>THAT IS NOT A LIE. THE RESEARCH THAT WE HAVE FROM “THE WASHINGTON POST” — >>”THE WASHINGTON POST” DEBUNKED THAT NONSENSE.>>SHERIFF, THERE’S ALSO RESEARCH — >>HE CONTINUES.>>FROM A HARVARD PROFESSOR THAT ALSO SHOWED THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE TREATED MORE AGGRESSIVELY BY POLICE OFFICERS — >>NO, YOU WHERE WRONG AND YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THAT HARVARD STUDY, I READ THE STUDY. THAT’S NOT WHAT HE SAID. HE SAID HE WAS SURPRISED TO FIND — >>HE WAS SURPRISED TO FIND THAT IN SHOOTINGS, THE MOST SEVERE IN SHOOTINGS, HE FOUND NO EVIDENCE THAT THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE. ALSO IT SHOULD BE NOTED, THAT THERE’S A STUDY OF A VERY SMALL SAMPLING OF POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, MANY DID NOT FIND IT CREDIBLE. BUT IT’S ALSO INTERESTING THAT IN THAT RESEARCH HE FOUND THAT BLACK WERE TREATED DIFFERENTLY WHEN IT CAME TO AGGRESSIVE POLICING.>>ARE WE TALKING ABOUT GENERALLY? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT POLICE OFFICERS BEING UNDER ATTACK. LET’S GO BACK TO WHEN THIS WHOLE THING STARTED IN FERGUSON. >>YOU’RE LUMPING A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS INTO ONE. >>THAT’S WHERE THIS WHOLE PHONY MOVEMENT GOT STARTED. >>YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT BLACK LIVES MATTER?>>RIGHT.>>SO YOU WOULD NEED TO SPEAK TO SOMEONE WHO IS A MEMBER OF BLACK LIVES MATTER ABOUT WHETHER THEY ARE — HAVE PERPETRATED A FRAUD ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THAT’S UP TO BLACK LIVES MATTER, I’M NEITHER A MEMBER OF BLACK LIVES MATTER, I’M NEITHER A SUPPORTER OR SOMEONE WHO DOESN’T SUPPORT THEM.>>CAN YOU SUPPORT THE ANTI-POLICE RHETORIC COMING FROM THIS HATEFUL IDEOLOGY.>>AS A JOURNALIST SILTING ON TELEVISION, I DON’T HAVE TO CONDEMN ANYTHING. IT’S OTH . >>IT’S LIKE GROUPS LIKE THE KKK, I CONDEMN IT. THERE IS NO PLACE IN AMERICAN DISCOURSE FOR THAT SORT OF VILE, VITRIOLIC HATE COMING OUT OF THAT IDEOLOGY. THIS HAS FUELED AND FANNED THE FLAMES OF THIS ANGER TOWARD THE AMERICAN POLICE OFFICER, THERE’S ONLY ONE GROUP IN AMERICA, ONE TIME, THAT TRULY CARES ABOUT THE LIVES OF BLACK PEOPLE IN THE YOU ARE BAN GHETTO, AND IT’S THE AMERICAN POLICE OFFICER, WHO GOES OUT THERE ON A DAILY BASIS, TO PUTA ATHEIR LIVES ON THE LIN TO PROTECT WHO? BLACK PEOPLE. LET’S HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BLACK ON BLACK CRIME WHICH KILLS MORE BLACK MALES, WHICH IS MORE LIKELY IN THE UNITED STATES THAN A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.>>THAT’S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. WE CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME. THERE’S AN ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO VIOLENCE. IT’S CRIME, WHITE PEOPLE TEND TO KILL WHITE PEOPLE. BLACK PEOPLE TEND TO KILL WHITE PEOPLE. THERE IS A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAN POLICE BRUTALITY. AND WE’RE NOT HAVING THAT CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW. I WANT TO BE CLEAR WITH YOU, I CONDEMN ALL VIOLENCE OF ANY TYPE. JUST FOR THE RECORD.>>IT WAS A SITUATION BETWEEN MIKE BROWN AND DARREN WILSON, WAS THAT POLICE BRUTALITY?>>WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MIKE BROWN AND DAREN WILSON. IF YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SHOWED, IT EXONERATED OFFICER CARRRCARREN DA DACAR DAREN WILSON. >>YOU’RE GOING TO SEE THAT BLACK MALES ARE OVERREPRESENTED IN TERMS OF BEING INVOLVED IN VIOLENT CRIME, THAT’S GOING TO MEAN MORE ARRESTS, MORE PEOPLE GOING TO PRISON. THIS STUFF HAS ALREADY BEEN DEBUNKED.>>SHERIFF, THERE’S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.>>ANY TIME YOU DON’T HAVE A RESPONSE TO SOMETHING I SAY — >>THE REASON I DON’T HAVE A RESPONSE IS THAT WE’RE HAVING TWO DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS. I’M ASKING THE QUESTIONS HERE, YOU’RE ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS BY ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OTHER SUBJECT THAT WE’RE NOT DISCUSSING, THAT’S NOT A CONVERSATION. >>WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE HATEFUL IDEOLOGY OF BLACK LIVES MATTER, YOU CAN’T BE A MEMBER, IT’S AN IDEOLOGY, IT’S A HATEFUL IDEOLOGY.>>I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A VERY SENSITIVE TIME FOR YOU.>>THESE INDIVIDUALS — >>AND SHERIFF, WE APPRECIATE