Amy Klobuchar: I Am A Fresh New Face In Politics | Morning Joe | MSNBC


>>>I LEARNED WHAT IT WAS LIKE>>>I LEARNED WHAT IT WAS LIKE NOT TO HAVE A PERFECT LIFE. NOT TO HAVE A PERFECT LIFE. WHAT IT’S LIKE NOT TO HAVE YOUR WHAT IT’S LIKE NOT TO HAVE YOUR DAD THERE OR CHRISTMAS MORNING. DAD THERE OR CHRISTMAS MORNING. WHAT I’VE LEARNED FROM THAT, WHAT I’VE LEARNED FROM THAT, NUMBER ONE, RESILIENCE. NUMBER ONE, RESILIENCE. GOT TO PICK YOURSELF UP NO GOT TO PICK YOURSELF UP NO MATTER WHAT, GOOD QUALITY IN A MATTER WHAT, GOOD QUALITY IN A PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. [ APPLAUSE ] [ APPLAUSE ]>>>ALL RIGHT.>>>ALL RIGHT. WELCOME BACK. WELCOME BACK. COME ON IN. COME ON IN. THIS IS GETTING FUN. THIS IS GETTING FUN. THAT WAS SENATOR AMY KLOBUCHAR THAT WAS SENATOR AMY KLOBUCHAR SPEAKING ABOUT THE POWER OF SPEAKING ABOUT THE POWER OF ADDICTION IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, A ADDICTION IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, A STATE HIT HARD BY THE OPIOID STATE HIT HARD BY THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC. EPIDEMIC. THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE JOINS US RIGHT HERE, CANDIDATE JOINS US RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW. ALSO WITH IS, COLUMNIST FOR THE ALSO WITH IS, COLUMNIST FOR THE “WASHINGTON POST,” GREAT TO YOU “WASHINGTON POST,” GREAT TO YOU HAVE BOTH WITH US. HAVE BOTH WITH US. HOW ARE YOU FEELING, AMY? HOW ARE YOU FEELING, AMY?>>EXCELLENT.>>EXCELLENT. EXCELLENT! EXCELLENT! [ APPLAUSE ] [ APPLAUSE ] WE — SOMETHING’S HAPPENING WE — SOMETHING’S HAPPENING HERE. HERE.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>AND I THINK A LOT OF IT I’VE>>AND I THINK A LOT OF IT I’VE BEEN HERE. BEEN HERE. I THINK 22 TIMES. I THINK 22 TIMES. BUT AFTER THAT DEBATE, SOMETHING BUT AFTER THAT DEBATE, SOMETHING SWITCHED, AND WE HAD DONE A LOT SWITCHED, AND WE HAD DONE A LOT OF HARD WORK TO GET THERE BUT OF HARD WORK TO GET THERE BUT IT’S ALLOWED THE PEOPLE OF NEW IT’S ALLOWED THE PEOPLE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE TO SEE ME IN A HAMPSHIRE TO SEE ME IN A DIFFERENT WAY. DIFFERENT WAY. NOT JUST MY POLICIES BUT WHEN I NOT JUST MY POLICIES BUT WHEN I WAS COMING FROM, FROM MY HEART. WAS COMING FROM, FROM MY HEART.>>ALSO, I’VE COACHED FOOTBALL>>ALSO, I’VE COACHED FOOTBALL AND I COACH, I COACH BASEBALL AND I COACH, I COACH BASEBALL NOW AND SOMETIMES I HAVE TO GO NOW AND SOMETIMES I HAVE TO GO LIKE THIS TO THE KIDS. LIKE THIS TO THE KIDS. BECAUSE THEY’RE LIKE — 11, 12 BECAUSE THEY’RE LIKE — 11, 12 YEARS OLD. YEARS OLD. TALKING — OVER HERE. TALKING — OVER HERE. HEY. HEY. RIGHT HERE. RIGHT HERE. HEY! HEY! YOU’VE BEEN DOING THAT TO US THE YOU’VE BEEN DOING THAT TO US THE WHOLE TIME. WHOLE TIME. LIKE, HEY, OVER HERE. LIKE, HEY, OVER HERE. OVER HERE. OVER HERE.>>HELLO!>>HELLO! YOU GUYS KEEP TALKING ABOUT YOU GUYS KEEP TALKING ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE NLTSDS. EVERYBODY ELSE NLTSDS.>>AND NOW, YOU GUYS ARE KIND OF>>AND NOW, YOU GUYS ARE KIND OF FOCUSSED. FOCUSSED.>>EXACTLY.>>EXACTLY. THE DAY BEFORE THE PRIMARY. THE DAY BEFORE THE PRIMARY. BUT WHATEVER. BUT WHATEVER.>>WHEN YOU WANT.>>WHEN YOU WANT. AND YOU DON’T WANT IT SIX MONTHS AND YOU DON’T WANT IT SIX MONTHS BEFORE THE PRIMARY. BEFORE THE PRIMARY.>>ANYWAY, WE HAVE, SINCE THE>>ANYWAY, WE HAVE, SINCE THE DEBATE, RAISED OVER $3 MILLION DEBATE, RAISED OVER $3 MILLION FROM REGULAR PEOPLE ONLINE. FROM REGULAR PEOPLE ONLINE.>>THAT’S PRETTY GOOD!>>THAT’S PRETTY GOOD!>>WE HAVE BEEN SURGING IN POLLS>>WE HAVE BEEN SURGING IN POLLS AND RECORD CROWDS AT ALL OF OUR AND RECORD CROWDS AT ALL OF OUR EVENTS INCLUDING PEOPLE WHO WERE EVENTS INCLUDING PEOPLE WHO WERE SUPPORTING OTHER CANDIDATES BUT SUPPORTING OTHER CANDIDATES BUT ALSO PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO PEOPLE WHO ARE INDEPENDENTS. INDEPENDENTS.>>SO WHY?>>SO WHY? WHAT’S HAPPENING? WHAT’S HAPPENING? WHAT’S HAPPENING? WHAT’S HAPPENING?>>IS IT THE ISSUES?>>IS IT THE ISSUES? IS IT YOU? IS IT YOU?>>I THINK PART WAS I STOOD UP>>I THINK PART WAS I STOOD UP ON THAT STAGE AND I SHOWED HOW I ON THAT STAGE AND I SHOWED HOW I WAS DIFFERENT FROM SOME OF MY WAS DIFFERENT FROM SOME OF MY OPPONENTS. OPPONENTS. MAYBE ONE OF THE MOST DRAMATIC MAYBE ONE OF THE MOST DRAMATIC MOMENTS WAS WHEN GEORGE MOMENTS WAS WHEN GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS ASKED, DOES STEPHANOPOULOS ASKED, DOES ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A SOCIALIST LEADING THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST LEADING THE DEMOCRATIC TICKET AND I SAID, BERNIE AND I TICKET AND I SAID, BERNIE AND I ARE FRIENDS, WHICH IS TRUE, WE ARE FRIENDS, WHICH IS TRUE, WE CAME INTO THE SENATE, BUT, YEAH, CAME INTO THE SENATE, BUT, YEAH, I HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT WAS THE I HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO SAID IT ON THE ONLY ONE WHO SAID IT ON THE STAGE. STAGE. AND. AND.>>WOW.>>WOW.>>I THINK THAT LAUNCHED A –>>I THINK THAT LAUNCHED A — THOUGHT PROCESS IN A LOT OF THOUGHT PROCESS IN A LOT OF VOTERS HEADS. VOTERS HEADS. WERE LIKE, HMM. WERE LIKE, HMM. LET ME LOOK AT HER. LET ME LOOK AT HER. SO I THEN WAS ABLE TO TALK ABOUT SO I THEN WAS ABLE TO TALK ABOUT MY DIFFERENT VIEWS AND ONE OF MY DIFFERENT VIEWS AND ONE OF THE PRACTICAL THINGS WHERE I’M THE PRACTICAL THINGS WHERE I’M REALLY DIFFERENT HERE IN NEW REALLY DIFFERENT HERE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE IS JUST MY PLAN FOR HAMPSHIRE IS JUST MY PLAN FOR EDUCATION. EDUCATION. A BIG DEAL IN THIS STATE, WHICH A BIG DEAL IN THIS STATE, WHICH IS TO REALLY CONNECT WHAT’S IS TO REALLY CONNECT WHAT’S GOING ON WITH OUR ECONOMY WITH GOING ON WITH OUR ECONOMY WITH WHAT’S HAPPENING IN OUR WHAT’S HAPPENING IN OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM. EDUCATION SYSTEM. WE’RE GOING TO HAVE OVER 1 WE’RE GOING TO HAVE OVER 1 MILLION OPENINGS FOR HOME HEALTH MILLION OPENINGS FOR HOME HEALTH CARE WORKERS AND 100,000 FOR CARE WORKERS AND 100,000 FOR NURSING ASSISTANTS. NURSING ASSISTANTS. OVER 70,000 OPENINGS FOR OVER 70,000 OPENINGS FOR ELECTRICIANS. ELECTRICIANS. NOT A SHORTAGE OF SPORTS NOT A SHORTAGE OF SPORTS MARKETING DEGREES. MARKETING DEGREES. SOMEONE HAS ONE OUT THERE. SOMEONE HAS ONE OUT THERE. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SHORTAGE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SHORTAGE OF PLUMBERS. OF PLUMBERS. IT’S LOOKING AT FUNDING K-12. IT’S LOOKING AT FUNDING K-12. FOCUSING ON THE ONE AND TWO-YEAR FOCUSING ON THE ONE AND TWO-YEAR DEGREES AND IT’S BETTER FOR OUR DEGREES AND IT’S BETTER FOR OUR ECONOMY AND DOUBLING PROGRAMS. ECONOMY AND DOUBLING PROGRAMS.>>SPORTS MARKETING DEGREES?>>SPORTS MARKETING DEGREES?>>WHAT?>>WHAT? IS THAT WHAT YOU HAVE? IS THAT WHAT YOU HAVE?>>I WISH!>>I WISH! I WAS — I WAS BORN TOO EARLY, I WAS — I WAS BORN TOO EARLY, APPARENTLY. APPARENTLY. MY GOD. MY GOD.>>WILLIE HAS ONE.>>WILLIE HAS ONE.>>I KNOW.>>I KNOW. I WISH I DID. I WISH I DID. WISH I DID. WISH I DID. WORK FOR THE NEW YORK YANKEES, WORK FOR THE NEW YORK YANKEES, FRONT OFFICE. FRONT OFFICE. [ APPLAUSE ] [ APPLAUSE ]>>AH, THAT WAS — OH!>>AH, THAT WAS — OH! LOOK AT THAT. LOOK AT THAT.>>BOO!>>BOO!>>I KNEW THAT WOULD GO OVER>>I KNEW THAT WOULD GO OVER WELL IN THIS ROOM. WELL IN THIS ROOM. I’M NOT POLLING WELL IN NEW I’M NOT POLLING WELL IN NEW HAMPSHIRE. HAMPSHIRE.>>AND A POLITICIAN, THE DAY>>AND A POLITICIAN, THE DAY BEFORE THE NEW HAMPSHIRE BEFORE THE NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY. PRIMARY. YOU DON’T DO THAT. YOU DON’T DO THAT.>>AND TALKED A LOT ABOUT YOUR>>AND TALKED A LOT ABOUT YOUR CONTRAST WITH BERNIE SANDERS. CONTRAST WITH BERNIE SANDERS.>>YES.>>YES.>>UP IN A LATEST POLL IN THIRD>>UP IN A LATEST POLL IN THIRD PLACE NOW NIPPING AT HEELS SOON PLACE NOW NIPPING AT HEELS SOON OF MAYOR PETE BUTTIGIEG. OF MAYOR PETE BUTTIGIEG. HOW DO YOU CONTRAST YOURSELF HOW DO YOU CONTRAST YOURSELF WITH MAYOR BUTTIGIEG? WITH MAYOR BUTTIGIEG? IN OTHER WORDS, IN A SIMILAR IN OTHER WORDS, IN A SIMILAR LANE NOT FOR MED CUELLARICARE FO LANE NOT FOR MED CUELLARICARE FO AN OPTION, WON’T TAKE AWAY YOUR AN OPTION, WON’T TAKE AWAY YOUR PRIVATE INSURANCE. PRIVATE INSURANCE. WHAT’S THE DISHESFFERENCE BETWEE WHAT’S THE DISHESFFERENCE BETWEE YOU AND PETE BUTTIGIEG ON YOU AND PETE BUTTIGIEG ON POLICY? POLICY?>>MY AGE, 59, THE NEW AGE,>>MY AGE, 59, THE NEW AGE, THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO.>>AND I’M 32.>>AND I’M 32.>>IN THIS FIELD, THIS IS NEW.>>IN THIS FIELD, THIS IS NEW. SECOND THING, ACTUALLY GOTTEN SECOND THING, ACTUALLY GOTTEN THINGS DONE THROUGH THE GRIDLOCK THINGS DONE THROUGH THE GRIDLOCK OF WASHINGTON. OF WASHINGTON. PASSED OVER 100 BILLS AS A LEAD PASSED OVER 100 BILLS AS A LEAD DEMOCRAT. DEMOCRAT. YOU LOOK AT AN OPPONENT FOR YOU LOOK AT AN OPPONENT FOR DONALD TRUMP I’D SAY THAT IS A DONALD TRUMP I’D SAY THAT IS A NICE MATCHUP, BECAUSE HE TALKS NICE MATCHUP, BECAUSE HE TALKS AND BLUSTERS A LOT, BUT HASN’T AND BLUSTERS A LOT, BUT HASN’T HELPED PEOPLE WITH THINGS LIKE HELPED PEOPLE WITH THINGS LIKE RISING PHARMACEUTICAL PRICES OR RISING PHARMACEUTICAL PRICES OR RAIL TO MANCHESTER, LITERALLY RAIL TO MANCHESTER, LITERALLY RIGHT NOW YOU CAN GET BETTER RIGHT NOW YOU CAN GET BETTER CELL SERVICE IN ICELAND WITH ALL CELL SERVICE IN ICELAND WITH ALL OF ITS VOLCANOES AND THAT YOU OF ITS VOLCANOES AND THAT YOU CAN IN FRANKONIA NOTCH, NEW CAN IN FRANKONIA NOTCH, NEW HAMPSHIRE. HAMPSHIRE. ONE THING THAT UNIFIES US WE ONE THING THAT UNIFIES US WE WANT TO WIN AND WIN BIG AND I’VE WANT TO WIN AND WIN BIG AND I’VE WON IN RURAL AREASISH SUBURBAN WON IN RURAL AREASISH SUBURBAN DISTRICTS EVERY SINGLE TIME DISTRICTS EVERY SINGLE TIME INCLUDING MICHELE BACHMANN’S INCLUDING MICHELE BACHMANN’S DISTRICT, OKAY. DISTRICT, OKAY. THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO.>>YOON2,000 VOTES SEPARATED HIL>>YOON2,000 VOTES SEPARATED HIL CLINTON/DONALD TRUMP. CLINTON/DONALD TRUMP. SHE WON THE STATE, BUT BARELY. SHE WON THE STATE, BUT BARELY. THEY WANT A CANDIDATE THAT CAN THEY WANT A CANDIDATE THAT CAN ACTUALLY BRING PEOPLE WITH HER. ACTUALLY BRING PEOPLE WITH HER.>>DO YOU AGREE WITH VICE>>DO YOU AGREE WITH VICE PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PRESIDENT BIDEN’S CONCERN, PUT PRESIDENT BIDEN’S CONCERN, PUT UP AN AD, A MAYOR ISN’T READY TO UP AN AD, A MAYOR ISN’T READY TO BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF? BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF?>>VERY MUCH I RESPECT MAYOR>>VERY MUCH I RESPECT MAYOR PETE’S EXPERIENCE IN THE PETE’S EXPERIENCE IN THE MILITARY AND RESPECT A LOT OF MILITARY AND RESPECT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE EXPERIENCE IN PEOPLE THAT HAVE EXPERIENCE IN SMALL TOWNS. SMALL TOWNS. I’VE GOT A LOT OF SMALL TOWNS. I’VE GOT A LOT OF SMALL TOWNS. NEW HAMPSHIRE HAS A LOT OF SMALL NEW HAMPSHIRE HAS A LOT OF SMALL TOWNS. TOWNS. I THINK THE ADDED EXPERIENCE. I THINK THE ADDED EXPERIENCE. I WAS IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT AS I WAS IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT AS WELL FOR EIGHT YEARS. WELL FOR EIGHT YEARS. AND I THINK THE, AS AN ELECTED AND I THINK THE, AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, BUT I THINK THE ADDED OFFICIAL, BUT I THINK THE ADDED EXPERIENCE I HAVE IS 12 YEARS AS EXPERIENCE I HAVE IS 12 YEARS AS A U.S. SENATOR. A U.S. SENATOR. IT IS ACTUALLY PASSING BILLS AND IT IS ACTUALLY PASSING BILLS AND KNOWING HOW TO WORK ACROSS THE KNOWING HOW TO WORK ACROSS THE AISLE. AISLE.>>BUT IS A MAYOR OF A>>BUT IS A MAYOR OF A 100,000-PERSON TOWN READY TO BE 100,000-PERSON TOWN READY TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?>>I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT>>I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT EVERYONE ON THAT DEBATE STAGE EVERYONE ON THAT DEBATE STAGE WOULD BE A BETTER PRESIDENT THAN WOULD BE A BETTER PRESIDENT THAN PRESIDENT TRUMP. PRESIDENT TRUMP. [ APPLAUSE ] [ APPLAUSE ] I BELIEVE THAT — ANY ONE — I I BELIEVE THAT — ANY ONE — I THINK THAT — THAT MY EXPERIENCE THINK THAT — THAT MY EXPERIENCE IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT HERE, IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT HERE, AND IT’S ALSO THE EXPERIENCE OF AND IT’S ALSO THE EXPERIENCE OF GETTING THE RESPECT FROM PEOPLE GETTING THE RESPECT FROM PEOPLE ACROSS THE AISLE. ACROSS THE AISLE. LOOK AT THE ENDORSEMENT I’VE LOOK AT THE ENDORSEMENT I’VE GOTTEN IN NEW HAMPSHIRE. GOTTEN IN NEW HAMPSHIRE. EVERY SINGLE NEWSPAPER. EVERY SINGLE NEWSPAPER. UNION LEADER. UNION LEADER. KEEN SENTINEL AND NOT TO MENTION

Bernie Sanders on Iran, health care and Democratic electability


JUDY WOODRUFF: Democratic presidential candidates
have been speaking about Iran as they seek to contrast their foreign policy visions against
that of the current commander in chief. In New York City, former Vice President Joe
Biden said President Trump’s decision to strike out at Qasem Soleimani was dangerously incompetent. JOSEPH BIDEN (D), Presidential Candidate:
So the question is, was the reward of removing a bad actor worth the risk of what comes next?
We don’t have evidence to suggest that Trump or anyone around him thought serious about
— seriously about that calculus. JUDY WOODRUFF: Meanwhile, in an interview
with ABC today, Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren expressed again her own doubt that
the president made the right move. SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D-MA), Presidential
Candidate: He is part of a group that our federal government has designated as a terrorist.
The question, though, is, what’s the right response? And the response that Donald Trump
has picked is the most incendiary and has moved us right to the edge of war. JUDY WOODRUFF: And joining us now from Burlington
to discuss the Soleimani attack and more, Democratic presidential candidate and independent
Senator from Vermont Bernie Sanders. Senator Sanders, thank you very much for being
with us again. Let me ask you first about Iran. You have
criticized President Trump for targeting, the killing of General Soleimani. You called
it an assassination. But if the administration is able to produce
hard evidence that he was going to attack Americans, would you then say this was justified? SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), Presidential Candidate:
Well, that’s a hypothesis. We haven’t seen that evidence. Frankly, I doubt that evidence
is there. Judy, I — what is going on right now feels
to me exactly what I saw in 2002 and 2003. And that was the lead-up and the justification
for the war in Iraq. I opposed that war vigorously, and it turned
out to be one of the worst foreign policy blunders in the history of the United States.
A war with Iran would likely be even worse. So, I will do all that I can to make sure
that, in this instance and in other instances, we solve international conflict diplomatically,
and that we try to put an end to endless wars. JUDY WOODRUFF: Senator, you have said that
this was in violation of international law. So, does that mean you believe President Trump
has violated — has committed a war crime? SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: Look, when you go around
assassinating leadership in governments, you are setting a precedent which says to any
country on Earth, hey, all we got to do is name these people terrorists, call them what
you want, and we can assassinate them. I think the world and this country is sick
and tired of endless wars that have cost us trillions of dollars, while our infrastructure
is collapsing, our health care system is dysfunctional. We have to deal with climate change and invest
heavily in transforming our energy system. Judy, in my view, we do not need to spend
trillions of dollars more in a war. JUDY WOODRUFF: Very quickly, on Iraq, you
have called previously for removing U.S. troops from Iraq. As you know, the Iraqi Parliament has said
U.S. troops should leave. Would you, as president, have U.S. troops pulled out? SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: Look, I want U.S. troops
out of Iraq. I have wanted that for a long time. But you bring them out in a measured,
intelligent way, working with the Iraqi government and with our international allies. What’s happened here, after the loss of 4,500
American lives, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, trillions of dollars, essentially,
we are being booted out of Iraq. So, do I want to end the war there in Iraq
and bring American troops home? Absolutely. That is what I will do as president. But I don’t — it’s a sad state of affairs
to see, after all of this sacrifice, to see our troops booted out of the country. JUDY WOODRUFF: Senator, a couple of questions
on domestic policy. There are polls now that show most voters
would prepare to build on Obamacare, rather than go to a single-payer system, which is
what you advocate. SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: Well, depending on the
poll that you look out. The vast majority of people in the Democratic
primaries absolutely support a Medicare for all, single-payer system, because they understand
that, when we are spending twice as much per capita as the people of any other country,
and yet 87 million Americans are uninsured or underinsured, 500,000 people go bankrupt
because of medically related bills, all at the same time as the health care industry
and the drug companies made $100 billion in profit last year, people understand this system
has got to change. And my own view is that, after 100 years of
talk in this country about the need to guarantee health care for all, now is the time to take
on the greed and corruption of the drug companies and the insurance companies, expand Medicare,
and provide a Medicare for all, single-payer system for all. It will cost the average American substantially
less than what he or she is paying today. That is the direction we have got to go in. JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, in connection with that,
Senator, you recently acknowledged that a lot of people would lose jobs in a transition
to Medicare for all. You talked just recently about a program to
provide jobs, to provide job training to people who lose their jobs under the program. Are
you guaranteeing that people who lose their jobs under this new system would have a job? SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: We have built in a very
generous transition period. One of the reasons we’re spending twice as
much per person as any other country on health care is, we have enormous administrative waste.
We have all kinds of people in the bureaucracy administering thousands of separate health
insurance plans. We need more doctors, nurses, psychologists,
psychiatrists, counselors. We need people to deal with the crisis of opioid addiction.
We don’t need more people just arguing for — representing the insurance companies, telling
us that we’re not covered, when we thought we were. So we have a very generous transition period.
But, at the end of the day, Medicare for all will create more jobs in health care than
we will lose, because, when you open the doors to health care for all Americans, we’re going
to need more practitioners, more people providing health care, not just filling out forms and
having a massive bureaucracy. JUDY WOODRUFF: Something else, Senator. In recent days, you have been saying you don’t
believe Joe Biden can win this election, because you said he would bring a lot of baggage.
You said you don’t think he would create the kind of excitement and energy that’s needed
to defeat President Trump. Are you saying absolutely he would lose to
President Trump? SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: No. No, no, no, no. I’m
not saying that at all. I think that any of — I happen to believe,
it will not shock you, I am sure, that I am the strongest candidate to beat Trump. But
I think other Democrats, including Joe Biden, can do it as well. But here’s my point. To beat Trump, you’re
going to need a massive voter turnout. And the only way you do that is through a campaign
of energy, of excitement. You have got to bring working people. You have got to bring
young people into the political process. The truth is, as I think most people know,
Joe Biden voted for the war in Iraq. Joe voted disastrous trade agreements like NAFTA and
PNTR, which cost us millions of jobs. Joe voted for a bankruptcy bill which really has
hurt working-class families. Joe was on the floor of the Senate talking
about, in his view, the need to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. I don’t think — I think Trump will have a
field day with that. And I just don’t think that the Biden campaign can create the energy
and the excitement we need to defeat the worst president in the modern history of this country. JUDY WOODRUFF: So, I know you believe you
would win the nomination, but, as you said, if you didn’t, are you prepared to support
Mr. Biden? SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: Absolutely. JUDY WOODRUFF: What about — I want to ask
you about one of the other candidates, though, because you have talked a lot about the billionaire
class. Would you be prepared to support Mike Bloomberg,
if he were the nominee? SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: I will support — look,
as I have said many time, I think that, in Trump, we have a pathological liar, the leader
of a corrupt administration, a racist, a sexist, a homophobe, a xenophobe. I am — I will support any Democrat who wins
the nomination. Hopefully, I will be supporting myself. JUDY WOODRUFF: Senator Bernie Sanders, joining
us from Burlington, Vermont, thank you very much. SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: Thank you.

What Is Democratic Socialist vs Social Democrat?


We have a voicemail number. That number is two one nine two David P here
is a voicemail that came in with a question that clearly is the source of much confusion
in general in the United States. Take a listen. Hey David, I’m Austin. Long time listener. First time calling her. I’m from Pensacola, Florida and I wanted to
get your take on the difference between a democratic socialist and an actual socialist. Uh, thanks for any explanation. Uh, love the show. Have a great day. Okay, good. I know that I’ve talked about this before,
but any opportunity to clear this up is a good one. This is not about my interpretation of democratic
socialist versus social Democrat. The difference is democratic. Socialists are socialists and social Democrats
are not social Democrats. I know that a lot of them don’t like to use
this term. Social Democrats are capitalists who wants
a very well-regulated version of capitalism that takes the wealth created by the capitalist
system, disproportionally for the rich and reallocates it to social programs and government
spending to ensure that no one has a standard of living that goes too low. There are lots of, of comments like, well,
hold on. A lot of democratic socialists aren’t really
advocating for socializing the means of production, but they’re still democratic socialists. Well, no, they’re really not. I mean, okay, we can redefine terms. We can just say the terms have no meaning
anymore. Social Democrats might be socialists and democratic. Socialists might not. Uh, but as defined, um, uh, in the last hundred
years, social Democrats are capitalists and democratic socialists are not. We can play with the definitions. We can change the definitions, but it’s really
important to understand that. Uh, we have a great bonus. Throw 40 you today, tons of stories from my
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to the bonus [email protected] only two bonus shows bluff in 2019 and then begins it properly. He gets, uh, an election year in just a couple
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