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INCLUDING PARTS THAT OFFERED IMMUNITY TO CO-CONSPIRATORS.>>Bill: I WANT TO INVITE IN RUDY GIULIANI. NICE TO SEE YOU AND GOOD MORNING. THE METROPOLITAN CORRECTAL CENTER. YOU KNOW IT WELL. YOU SAW IT BEING BUILT. HOW WOULD YOU EXPLAIN IT AND DESCRIBE IT. WHAT’S HAPPENING ON A SATURDAY NIGHT INSIDE THIS JAIL.>>IT’S A JAIL RATHER THAN A PRISON. A JAIL IS A PLACE YOU HOLD PEOPLE WHEN THEY’RE AWAITING TRIAL. A PRISON IS WHEN YOU PUT THEM WHEN THEY FINALLY GET SENTENCED. THEY’RE MORE PERMANENT PLACES AND PRISONS ARE EASIER TO HANDLE. JAILS ARE MORE TRANSIENT DIFFERENT POPULATION IN AND OUT EVERY DAY. THERE’S NO EXCUSES. WHAT HAPPENED IS MIND-BOGGLING. IT’S IMPOSSIBLE TO HAPPEN. IT’S A SMALL FACILITY. IT’S NOT REICHER’S ISLAND WITH MANY DIFFERENT BUILDINGS. ONE BUILDING. ALMOST EVERYTHING IS WITHIN VIEW IF YOU WANT IT TO BE OF THE GUARDS. THIS ARGUMENT WHETHER HE WAS ON SUICIDE WATCH NORT — IS SILLY. THE GUY WAS A HIGH-RISK PRISONER. HE’S A GUY THERE’S PROBABLY 50 VERY IMPORTANT PEOPLE WHO HAVE A MOTIVE TO KILL HIM. NOT ALLEGING ANYONE NAMED BUT IT’S TRUE. WE KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE IN A LOT TROUBLE BECAUSE OF EPSTEIN AND THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE. THERE’S TREMENDOUS MOTIVE TO KILL HIM.>>Bill: LIKE A NOVEL.>>PRISONERS DON’T LIKE HIM. HE’S ALLEGED TO BE MAYBE THE MOST NOTORIOUS CHILD PREDATOR OF OUR GENERATION. PRISONERS ARE STRANGE. PERVERTS THEY DON’T LIKE. THEY’LL KILL A PERVERT JUST TO KILL A PERVERT. SECOND, HE’S A POSSIBLE RAT ALSO. THERE’S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT HIM TESTIFYING. I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. IT’S GOOD FOR THE GOVERNMENT. THEY BELIEVE YOU’RE A RAT WHEN YOU DO IT. YOU HAVE THREE STRONG REASONS WHY THIS MAN MAY BE DONE IN. HE MAY COMMIT SUICIDE, HE APPARENTLY ATTEMPTED IT OR WAS ATTACKED AND THE THIRD ONE IS MAYBE A PRISONER ON HIS OWN WILL TAKE HIM OUT LIKE THEY DID WITH WHITEY BULGER. I DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW ANYONE CAN’T EXPLAIN NOT HAVING HIM UNDER 24-HOUR SURVEILLANCE OR THE CHECKS.>>Bill: WAS THERE A CAMERA?>>OF COURSE IT WASN’T WORKING THEY SAID. THE CAMERA WASN’T WORKING. THERE’S A CAMERA IN EVERY PART OF THE PRISON. EVERY SINGLE TELEPHONE CALL IN AND OUT OF PRISON IS LISTENED TO. PRISONS ARE PRISON. THE FEDERAL PRISON SYSTEM, I USED TO BE IN CHARGE OF IT IN THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION AND WORKED ON IT FOR 15 YEARS AS A U.S. ATTORNEY. FEDERAL PRISON SYSTEM IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD. WHEN NORMAN CARLSON RAN IT, I WAS THERE, IT WAS THE MODEL. IT’S HARD TO BELIEVE THIS COULD HAPPEN.>>Bill: THIS IS WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE THE CASE HERE. NOT PLACED ON SUICIDE WATCH. NOT CHECKED FOR SEVERAL HOURS, NO CELL MATE AT TIME OF DEATH. ONE GUARD WAS A SUBSTITUTE, GUARDS WORKING OVERTIME SHIFTS.>>THE LAST TWO ARE NO EXCUSE WHETHER HE’S A SUBSTITUTE OR NOT, HE HAS EYES. EPSTEIN WAS NOT A TOUGH GUY TO CONTAIN. IF YOU SAW HIM TAKE SHEET, ANYBODY WITH REASONABLE BUILD OR COURAGE CAN TAKE HIM DOWN OR CALL FOR HELP RIGHT AWAY. WHETHER HE’S A SUBSTITUTE OR NOT, THAT’S SILLY. THEY’RE OVERWORKED. THIS IS A PRIME TARGET PRISONER IN THAT PRISON. NAME ONE IN MORE JEOPARDY THAN THIS GUY. GREAT, WE DON’T HAVE GREAT SYMPATHY FOR HIM BECAUSE HE’S A SEXUAL PREDATOR, ALLEGEDLY, WAS WAS A TREASURE TROVE OF VALUABLE INFORMATION ABOUT THE TRUTH OF THE FALSITY AND I BELIEVE THERE’S PEOPLE PROBABLY NAMED AND END UP BEING HORRIBLY DEFAMED. ONLY HE KNOWS AND THE KIND OF GUY WHERE YOU PROBABLY COULDN’T HAVE LET HIM OUT OF JAIL OR GAVE HIM A LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL MAYBE YOU COULD APPEAL TO HIM MAKING IT RIGHT BY TELLING THE TRUTH.>>Bill: MAKE SURE HE LIVES. JULY 23 WAS THE INCIDENT WHERE HE WAS FOUND IN HIS CELL. HE TRIED TO HURT HIMSELF OR THE CELL MATE TRIED TO HARM HIM. AUGUST 1 HE’S FOUND DEAD IN HIS CELL AUGUST 10.>>I NEVER HEARD THE POLICY YOU’RE ON SUICIDE WATCH FOR A WEEK. YOU’RE ON WATCH AS LONG AS THERE’S CONDITIONS. THE CONDITIONS WERE NO DIFFERENT THE DAY HE ATTEMPTED SUICIDE. HE WAS IN PRISON LOOKING AT LIFE IN PRISON, LOOKING AT GOING FROM THIS PRISON TO PROBABLY EVEN MORE RIGID CONDITIONS OF CONFINEMENT, TOUGH GUY TO GO TO A PRISON. YOU SEND THIS GUY TO A PRISON POPULATION YOU KNOW WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN TO HIM, RIGHT. ARE THEY GOING TO GET A TERRIBLE DEATH IN PRISON OR LOCKED IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT. THAT CONDITION REMAINED THE DAY THEY TOOK HIM OFF SUICIDE WATCH. YOU GOT TO BE NUTS.>>Bill: I HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU AND I’M GOING TO GAUGE YOUR MENTAL STATE. THAT’S WHAT THEY’RE CHARGED WITH DOING INSIDE THIS JAIL. THEY CLEARLY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM AND HIS LAWYERS, LIKELY, OVER A PERIOD OF 10 DAYS AND SAID IT’S OKAY TO TAKE YOU OFF SUICIDE WATCH. I UNDERSTAND THE SHEETS YOU’RE GIVEN ARE MADE OF PAPER. IS THAT TRUE?>>THAT’S TRUE, YES.>>Bill: AND HE HUNG HIMSELF WAY BED SHEET.>>WE CAN GO BEYOND THAT. HIS ROOM SHOULD HAVE BEEN GUARDED BECAUSE ANYONE THAT GOT LOOSE COULD HAVE STABBED HIM, CHOKE HIM, MAKE IT LOOK LIKE HE HUNG. HE WAS THE GUY ONE OF THOSE PRISONERS WOULD LOVE TO KILL TO HAVE THAT ON HIS CREDS. AND PROBABLY NOBODY WOULD TURN HIM IN IF HE DID IT SO WOULD FEEL A CERTAIN SENSE OF PROTECTION. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND A PRISON. THE PEOPLE RUNNING THAT UNDERSTAND IT. IT WOULD BE VERY HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THE EXPLANATION AS TO WHY THIS MAN WASN’T WATCHED 24 HOURS A DAY.>>Bill: THREE MORE QUESTIONS QUICKLY. COULD IT BE SIMPLE NEGLIGENCE?>>YES.>>Bill: DO YOU BELIEVE EPSTEIN KILLED EPSTEIN?>>I DON’T KNOW. I THINK I HAVE TO STEP BACK AND SAY I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE. I THINK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL GIVES ME GREAT CONFIDENCE THERE’LL BE A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. HE’S TOUGH AS NAILS. THAT’S THE SAVING GRACE. ALL THE FACT HAVE TO COME OUT OTHERWISE ALL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES WILL COME OUT.>>Bill: YOU CAME OUT ON TWITTER AND SAID LET’S OLD OUR FIRE AND WAIT FOR THE FACTS.>>IT’S HARD TO SPECULATE THIS PERSON AND THAT PERSON HAS A MOTIVE. EVERYBODY HAS MOTIVES. DOESN’T MEAN THEY PARTICIPATED IN A KILLING AND TO EXTRAPOLATE LIKE THAT. THE MAN WAS FOUND IN HIS CELL AND IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING WAS PUT AROUND HIS NECK EITHER BY HIM OR SOMEONE ELSE AND WAS HUNG. NOW THERE’S THREE POSSIBILITIES, HE HUNG HIMSELF, A PRISONER, WHAT HAPPENS IN PRISON, KILLED HIM, BECAUSE HE’S THE KIND OF GUY THEY KILL IN PRISON, OR THREE, SOMEBODY FROM THE OUTSIDE ORGANIZED THIS. AND THE GUARDS EITHER DID IT NEGLECTLY OR — NEGLIGENTLY.>>Bill: WHEN DO YOU BELIEVE WE GET THE ANSWERS, WHEN IS THAT?>>PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE A COUPLE WEEKS. IT’S A TOUGH INVESTIGATION BUT A SHORT ONE. IT’S NOTHING LIKE THE OTHER INVESTIGATION HE’S CONDUCTING OF INTERFERENCE OF THE ELECTION. THEY RELISH THE GUY THAT JUMPED OUT OF THE WINDOW OF BLUE MOON HOTEL THE NIGHT BEFORE HE WAS GOING TESTIFY AGAINST ALAN ANASTASIA AND THE HEADLINE SAID THE CANARY CAN SING BUT HE CAN’T FLY.

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GOING TO FIND YOURSELVES IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS ONE, IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS ONE, IN AGREEMENT WITH DONALD TRUMP FOR AGREEMENT WITH DONALD TRUMP FOR THIS ONE TIME. THIS ONE TIME. BUT WE BEGIN TONIGHT WITH THE BUT WE BEGIN TONIGHT WITH THE DEATH IN PRISON OF A FORMER DEATH IN PRISON OF A FORMER FRIEND OF DONALD TRUMP’S, A MAN FRIEND OF DONALD TRUMP’S, A MAN WHO DONALD TRUMP CALLED A WHO DONALD TRUMP CALLED A TERRIFIC GUY, WHO WITH DONALD TERRIFIC GUY, WHO WITH DONALD TRUMP’S FULL APPROVAL LIKED TRUMP’S FULL APPROVAL LIKED GIRLS WHO IN DONALD TRUMP’S GIRLS WHO IN DONALD TRUMP’S WORDS WERE “ON THE YOUNGER WORDS WERE “ON THE YOUNGER SIDE.” SIDE.” IT TOOK THE DEATH OF AN ACCUSED IT TOOK THE DEATH OF AN ACCUSED CHILD RAPIST AND SEX TRAFFICKER CHILD RAPIST AND SEX TRAFFICKER AND FRIEND OF PRESIDENTS TRUMP AND FRIEND OF PRESIDENTS TRUMP AND CLINTON TO UNITE THE AND CLINTON TO UNITE THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ON THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ON THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IN THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IN THE SEARCH FOR INFORMATION FROM SEARCH FOR INFORMATION FROM DONALD TRUMP AND WILLIAM BARR’S DONALD TRUMP AND WILLIAM BARR’S JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER AND THE CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER AND THE RANKING MEMBER OF THE HOUSE RANKING MEMBER OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE DOUG COLLINS JUDICIARY COMMITTEE DOUG COLLINS CO-SIGNED A LETTER TONIGHT TO CO-SIGNED A LETTER TONIGHT TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WITH 23 THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WITH 23 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEATH OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEATH OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN. JEFFREY EPSTEIN. “FROM AN APPARENT SUICIDE ON THE “FROM AN APPARENT SUICIDE ON THE MORNING OF AUGUST 10th, 2019 MORNING OF AUGUST 10th, 2019 WHILE IN YOUR CUSTODY AT THE WHILE IN YOUR CUSTODY AT THE METROPOLITAN CORRECTIONAL CENTER METROPOLITAN CORRECTIONAL CENTER IN NEW YORK.” IN NEW YORK.” THE LETTER IS ADDRESSED TO HUGH THE LETTER IS ADDRESSED TO HUGH HURWITZ, THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF HURWITZ, THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF THE BUREAU OF PRISONS, WHICH IS THE BUREAU OF PRISONS, WHICH IS AN AGENCY IN THE JUSTICE AN AGENCY IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT UNDER ATTORNEY DEPARTMENT UNDER ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR’S CONTROL. GENERAL WILLIAM BARR’S CONTROL. HUGH HURWITTS IS A LIFETIME HUGH HURWITTS IS A LIFETIME GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRAT WHOSE GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRAT WHOSE CAREER BEGAN IN REPUBLICAN CAREER BEGAN IN REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATIONS BUT AS ALSO ADMINISTRATIONS BUT AS ALSO INCLUDED DEMOCRATIC INCLUDED DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATIONS. ADMINISTRATIONS. HE STARTED AS A LOW-LEVEL HE STARTED AS A LOW-LEVEL ASSISTANT IN THE BUREAU OF ASSISTANT IN THE BUREAU OF PRISONS THE YEAR AFTER HE PRISONS THE YEAR AFTER HE GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE. GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE. HE EVENTUALLY BECAME A LAWYER, HE EVENTUALLY BECAME A LAWYER, SPENT SOME TIME IN PRIVATE LAW SPENT SOME TIME IN PRIVATE LAW PRACTICE, RURNLD TO THE BURE O. PRACTICE, RURNLD TO THE BURE O. OF PRISONS IN 1997 IN A OF PRISONS IN 1997 IN A TECHNICAL CAPACITY AS AN TECHNICAL CAPACITY AS AN ASSISTANT CHIEF FOR ASSISTANT CHIEF FOR CONSTRUCTION. CONSTRUCTION. DURING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION DURING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION HE WORKED IN A TECHNICAL JOB IN HE WORKED IN A TECHNICAL JOB IN THE FOOD AND DRUG THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION, LATER BECAME THE ADMINISTRATION, LATER BECAME THE FDA’S I.T. GUY. FDA’S I.T. GUY. MOVED ON TO ANOTHER TECHNICAL MOVED ON TO ANOTHER TECHNICAL JOB HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH JOB HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH POLICY AND THE DEPARTMENT OF POLICY AND THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION DURING THE OBAMA EDUCATION DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION HE JOINED NASA ADMINISTRATION HE JOINED NASA AND THE INSPECTOR GENERAL’S AND THE INSPECTOR GENERAL’S OFFICE. OFFICE. AND RETURNED TO THE BUREAU OF AND RETURNED TO THE BUREAU OF PRISONS IN 2015 AS AN ASSISTANT PRISONS IN 2015 AS AN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. DIRECTOR. MAY 18th OF 2018 ATTORNEY MAY 18th OF 2018 ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS APPOINTED GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS APPOINTED HUGH HURWITZ THE ACTING DIRECTOR HUGH HURWITZ THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF THE BUREAU OF PRISONS. OF THE BUREAU OF PRISONS. AND BECAUSE THIS IS THE TRUMP AND BECAUSE THIS IS THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HE IS STILL THE ADMINISTRATION HE IS STILL THE ACTING DIRECTOR. ACTING DIRECTOR. OVER A YEAR LATER. OVER A YEAR LATER. WHEN YOU SEE HUGH HURWITZ WHEN YOU SEE HUGH HURWITZ TESTIFY TO THE HOUSE JUDICIARY TESTIFY TO THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE BOTH UNDER OATH AND COMMITTEE BOTH UNDER OATH AND UNDER PRESSURE AS HE MOST SURELY UNDER PRESSURE AS HE MOST SURELY WILL, YOU WILL BE SEEING THE WILL, YOU WILL BE SEEING THE LASSIC GOVERNMENT TECHNOCRAT. LASSIC GOVERNMENT TECHNOCRAT. YOU WILL NOT BE SEEING ANYONE YOU WILL NOT BE SEEING ANYONE WHO HAS EVER RUN A PRISON OR A WHO HAS EVER RUN A PRISON OR A JAIL HIMSELF. JAIL HIMSELF. HE HAS NEVER HAD ONE DAY OF HE HAS NEVER HAD ONE DAY OF EXPERIENCE WORKING IN A PRISON EXPERIENCE WORKING IN A PRISON OR A JAIL. OR A JAIL. IT IS POSSIBLE HE HAS NEVER MET IT IS POSSIBLE HE HAS NEVER MET AN INMATE. AN INMATE. BUT IT WAS HIS JOB TO KEEP BUT IT WAS HIS JOB TO KEEP JEFFREY EPSTEIN ALIVE. JEFFREY EPSTEIN ALIVE. IT WAS ALSO WILLIAM BARR’S JOB IT WAS ALSO WILLIAM BARR’S JOB TO KEEP JEFFREY EPSTEIN ALIVE. TO KEEP JEFFREY EPSTEIN ALIVE. AND ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR SAID AND ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR SAID TODAY IN EFFECT DON’T BLAME ME. TODAY IN EFFECT DON’T BLAME ME. ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR CLAIMED TO ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR CLAIMED TO BE “APPALLED AND ANGRY.” BE “APPALLED AND ANGRY.” THOSE WERE HIS WORDS. THOSE WERE HIS WORDS. ABOUT THE DEATH OF JEFFREY ABOUT THE DEATH OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN. AND HE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT AND HE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT HUGH HURWITZ IS IN LINE TO TAKE HUGH HURWITZ IS IN LINE TO TAKE THE FALL FOR THIS ONE. THE FALL FOR THIS ONE.>>WE ARE NOW LEARNING OF>>WE ARE NOW LEARNING OF SERIOUS IRREGULARITIES AT THIS SERIOUS IRREGULARITIES AT THIS FACILITY THAT ARE DEEPLY FACILITY THAT ARE DEEPLY CONCERNING AND DEMAND A THOROUGH CONCERNING AND DEMAND A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION.>>SO WILLIAM BARR IS CLEARLY>>SO WILLIAM BARR IS CLEARLY GOING POINT DOWNWARD AND BLAME GOING POINT DOWNWARD AND BLAME HUGH HURWITZ OR SOMEONE LOWER HUGH HURWITZ OR SOMEONE LOWER DOWN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AT THE DOWN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AT THE FEDERAL CORRECTION CENTER IN NEW FEDERAL CORRECTION CENTER IN NEW YORK WHERE JEFFREY EPSTEIN DIED. YORK WHERE JEFFREY EPSTEIN DIED. MAYBE THE BARR INVESTIGATION MAYBE THE BARR INVESTIGATION WILL ULTIMATELY POINT THE FINGER WILL ULTIMATELY POINT THE FINGER AT THE UNIONIZED GUARDS WHO AT THE UNIONIZED GUARDS WHO FAILED TO KEEP JEFFREY EPSTEIN FAILED TO KEEP JEFFREY EPSTEIN ALIVE. ALIVE. OR THE CHIEF PSYCHOLOGIST OF THE OR THE CHIEF PSYCHOLOGIST OF THE CORRECTIONAL CENTER WHO WAS CORRECTIONAL CENTER WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN CHARGE OF THE SUPPOSED TO BE IN CHARGE OF THE SUICIDE WATCH OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN SUICIDE WATCH OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND THE AFTERMATH OF THE SUICIDE AND THE AFTERMATH OF THE SUICIDE WATCH OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN. WATCH OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN. AFTER JEFFREY EPSTEIN REPORTEDLY AFTER JEFFREY EPSTEIN REPORTEDLY TRIED TO KILL HIMSELF LAST MONTH TRIED TO KILL HIMSELF LAST MONTH HE WAS PLACED ON SUICIDE WATCH HE WAS PLACED ON SUICIDE WATCH FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME AND THEN FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME AND THEN REPORTEDLY TAKEN OFF SUICIDE REPORTEDLY TAKEN OFF SUICIDE WATCH. WATCH. THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS RULES FOR SUICIDE WATCHES WERE RULES FOR SUICIDE WATCHES WERE WRITTEN IN 2007 WHEN HUGH WRITTEN IN 2007 WHEN HUGH HURWITZ WAS WORKING AT THE HURWITZ WAS WORKING AT THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. IT’S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE HUGH IT’S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE HUGH HURWITZ HAD NO IDEA WHAT THOSE HURWITZ HAD NO IDEA WHAT THOSE RULES WERE UNTIL HE GOT THE RULES WERE UNTIL HE GOT THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE’S LETTER JUDICIARY COMMITTEE’S LETTER TONIGHT. TONIGHT. ONE OF THE RULES SAYS ONCE AN ONE OF THE RULES SAYS ONCE AN INMATE HAS BEEN PLACED ON WATCH INMATE HAS BEEN PLACED ON WATCH “THE WATCH MAY NOT BE TERMINATED “THE WATCH MAY NOT BE TERMINATED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE WITHOUT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE WITHOUT THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR OR THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR OR DESIGNEE PERFORMING A DESIGNEE PERFORMING A FACE-TO-FACE EVALUATION. FACE-TO-FACE EVALUATION. ONLY THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR ONLY THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR WILL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO WILL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REMOVE AN INMATE FROM SUICIDE REMOVE AN INMATE FROM SUICIDE WATCH. WATCH. THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR IS THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR IS USUALLY THE PRISON’S CHIEF USUALLY THE PRISON’S CHIEF PSYCHOLOGIST.” PSYCHOLOGIST.” QUESTION 12 OF THE JUDICIARY QUESTION 12 OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE’S LETTER TO THE BUREAU COMMITTEE’S LETTER TO THE BUREAU OF PRISONSIZE, “DOES MCC NEW OF PRISONSIZE, “DOES MCC NEW YORK HAVE SUCH A PROGRAM YORK HAVE SUCH A PROGRAM COORDINATOR? COORDINATOR? DID HE OR SHE AUTHORIZE THE DID HE OR SHE AUTHORIZE THE REMOVAL OF MR. EPSTEIN FROM REMOVAL OF MR. EPSTEIN FROM SUICIDE WATCH? SUICIDE WATCH? IF NOT WHO DID?” IF NOT WHO DID?” QUESTION 13, DID THE PROGRAM QUESTION 13, DID THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR CONSULT WITH ANYONE COORDINATOR CONSULT WITH ANYONE ELSE IN MAKING THIS ELSE IN MAKING THIS DETERMINATION? DETERMINATION? IF SO, WHO? IF SO, WHO? QUESTION 14. QUESTION 14. “WAS THE TERMINATION OF MR. “WAS THE TERMINATION OF MR. EMSTEIN’S SUICIDE WATCH BY OUGHT EMSTEIN’S SUICIDE WATCH BY OUGHT FISHEL WHO MADE SUCH FISHEL WHO MADE SUCH DETERMINATION DISCUSSED WITH OR DETERMINATION DISCUSSED WITH OR DIRECTED BY ANY SUPERVISORY DIRECTED BY ANY SUPERVISORY PERSONNEL OR LEADERSHIP OF THE PERSONNEL OR LEADERSHIP OF THE BUREAU OF PRISONS OR ANY BUREAU OF PRISONS OR ANY DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PERSONNEL OR EXECUTIVE BRANCH PERSONNEL OR EXECUTIVE BRANCH PERSONNEL OUTSIDE OF THE BUREAU OF OUTSIDE OF THE BUREAU OF PRISONS?” PRISONS?” QUESTION 15, “WHO AT THE BUREAU QUESTION 15, “WHO AT THE BUREAU OF PRISONS DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OF PRISONS DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND ELSEWHERE IN THE EXECUTIVE AND ELSEWHERE IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WAS NOTIFIED OF THE BRANCH WAS NOTIFIED OF THE TERMINATION OF MR. EPSTEIN’S TERMINATION OF MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WATCH AND WHEN?” SUICIDE WATCH AND WHEN?” THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE IS THE THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE IS THE CRAZIEST WHITE HOUSE IN HISTORY. CRAZIEST WHITE HOUSE IN HISTORY. IT IS THE MOST RECKLESS GROUP OF IT IS THE MOST RECKLESS GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE EVER WORKED IN A PEOPLE WHO HAVE EVER WORKED IN A WHITE HOUSE. WHITE HOUSE. AND THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF IS THE AND THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF IS THE MOST RECKLESS OF THEM ALL. MOST RECKLESS OF THEM ALL. THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE’S LETTER THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE’S LETTER SIGNED BY THE TOP DEMOCRAT AND SIGNED BY THE TOP DEMOCRAT AND THE TOP REPUBLICAN ON THE THE TOP REPUBLICAN ON THE COMMITTEE, IS ASKING IF ANYONE COMMITTEE, IS ASKING IF ANYONE IN THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE WAS IN THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE WAS INVOLVED OR AWARE OF THE REMOVAL INVOLVED OR AWARE OF THE REMOVAL STEIN. STEIN. THAT’S WHAT’S IN QUESTION NUMBER THAT’S WHAT’S IN QUESTION NUMBER 14. 14. WAS THE TERMINATION OF MR. WAS THE TERMINATION OF MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WATCH EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WATCH DISCUSSED WITH OR DIRECTED BY DISCUSSED WITH OR DIRECTED BY ANY SUPERVISORY PERSONNEL OR ANY SUPERVISORY PERSONNEL OR LEADERSHIP OF THE BUREAU OF LEADERSHIP OF THE BUREAU OF PRISONS OR ANY DEPARTMENT OF PRISONS OR ANY DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PERSONNEL OR EXECUTIVE JUSTICE PERSONNEL OR EXECUTIVE BRANCH PERSONNEL? BRANCH PERSONNEL? WAS WILLIAM BARR INVOLVED? WAS WILLIAM BARR INVOLVED? WAS DONALD TRUMP INVOLVED? WAS DONALD TRUMP INVOLVED? THAT’S WHAT IS IN QUESTION THAT’S WHAT IS IN QUESTION NUMBER 14. NUMBER 14. AND THE HOUSE JUDICIARY AND THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IS GOING TO GET COMMITTEE IS GOING TO GET ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS, TO ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS, TO ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS, ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS, INCLUDING PLEASE PROVIDE INCLUDING PLEASE PROVIDE INFORMATION PERTAINING TO THE INFORMATION PERTAINING TO THE INDIVIDUAL CORRECTION OFFICERS INDIVIDUAL CORRECTION OFFICERS WHO WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHO WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR MONITORING MR. EPSTEIN ON AUGUST MONITORING MR. EPSTEIN ON AUGUST 9th AND AUGUST 10th SPECIFICALLY 9th AND AUGUST 10th SPECIFICALLY WITH RESPECT TO HOW LONG THEY WITH RESPECT TO HOW LONG THEY HAD BEEN ON THEIR SHIFTS AT THE HAD BEEN ON THEIR SHIFTS AT THE TIME MR. EPSTEIN HAD BEEN FOUND TIME MR. EPSTEIN HAD BEEN FOUND NON-RESPONSIVE IN HIS CELL. NON-RESPONSIVE IN HIS CELL. QUESTION 17, “IF MR. EPSTEIN WAS QUESTION 17, “IF MR. EPSTEIN WAS REMOVED FROM SUICIDE WATCH, WHAT REMOVED FROM SUICIDE WATCH, WHAT PRECAUTIONS WERE PUT IN PLACE TO PRECAUTIONS WERE PUT IN PLACE TO HELP PREVENT THE POSSIBILITY OF HELP PREVENT THE POSSIBILITY OF SELF-INJURY FROM MR. EPSTEIN SELF-INJURY FROM MR. EPSTEIN GIVEN THAT HE WAS TRANSITIONING GIVEN THAT HE WAS TRANSITIONING FROM SUICIDE WATCH? FROM SUICIDE WATCH? WERE THERE ANY STEPS TAKEN TO WERE THERE ANY STEPS TAKEN TO REMOVE POSSIBLE IMPLEMENTS OF REMOVE POSSIBLE IMPLEMENTS OF SELF-INJURY?” SELF-INJURY?” QUESTION 20, “WERE ANY VIDEO QUESTION 20, “WERE ANY VIDEO SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS PLACED IN SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS PLACED IN OR NEAR MR. EPSTEIN’S CELL? OR NEAR MR. EPSTEIN’S CELL? DO RECORDINGS SHOW THE DO RECORDINGS SHOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT LED TO MR. CIRCUMSTANCES THAT LED TO MR. EPSTEIN’S DEATH OR THE PRESENCE EPSTEIN’S DEATH OR THE PRESENCE OF ANY OTHER PERSON DURING THIS OF ANY OTHER PERSON DURING THIS TIME PERIOD?” TIME PERIOD?” THE BIPARTISAN LETTER SENT BY THE BIPARTISAN LETTER SENT BY THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TO THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TO THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF THE THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF THE BUREAU OF PRISONS SAYS, “THE BUREAU OF PRISONS SAYS, “THE APPARENT SUICIDE OF THIS APPARENT SUICIDE OF THIS HIGH-PROFILE AND IF ALLEGATIONS HIGH-PROFILE AND IF ALLEGATIONS ARE PROVEN TO BE ACCURATE ARE PROVEN TO BE ACCURATE PARTICULARLY REPREHENSIBLE PARTICULARLY REPREHENSIBLE INDIVIDUAL WHILE IN THE FEDERAL INDIVIDUAL WHILE IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT’S CUSTODY GOVERNMENT’S CUSTODY DEMONSTRATES SEVERE MISCARRIAGES DEMONSTRATES SEVERE MISCARRIAGES OF AND DEFICIENCIES IN INMATE OF AND DEFICIENCIES IN INMATE PROTOCOL AND HAS ALLOWED THE PROTOCOL AND HAS ALLOWED THE DECEASED TO ULTIMATELY EVADE DECEASED TO ULTIMATELY EVADE FACING JUSTICE. FACING JUSTICE. ANY VICTIMS OF MR. EPSTEIN’S ANY VICTIMS OF MR. EPSTEIN’S ACTIONS WILL FOREVER BE DENIED ACTIONS WILL FOREVER BE DENIED PROPER RECOURSE. PROPER RECOURSE. THE COMPETENCY AND RIGOR OF OUR THE COMPETENCY AND RIGOR OF OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM HAS BEEN CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM HAS BEEN MARRED BY THIS APPARENT MARRED BY THIS APPARENT OVERSIGHT.” OVERSIGHT.” LEADING OFF OUR DISCUSSION LEADING OFF OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT MIMI ROCAH, FORMER TONIGHT MIMI ROCAH, FORMER ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY IN THE ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. SHE’S AN MSNBC LEGAL KRIRKT. SHE’S AN MSNBC LEGAL KRIRKT. AND JOHN HEILEMANN, NATIONAL AND JOHN HEILEMANN, NATIONAL AFFAIRS ANALYST FOR MSNBC NEWS AFFAIRS ANALYST FOR MSNBC NEWS AND MSNBC. AND MSNBC. HE IS CO-HOST AND EXECUTIVE HE IS CO-HOST AND EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF SHOWTIME’S “THE PRODUCER OF SHOWTIME’S “THE CIRCUS.” CIRCUS.” MIMI, YOU KNOW THESE FACILITIES MIMI, YOU KNOW THESE FACILITIES DOWN THERE IN LOWER MANHATTAN. DOWN THERE IN LOWER MANHATTAN. FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY TWEETED FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY TWEETED OVER THE WEEKEND THAT SURELY OVER THE WEEKEND THAT SURELY THERE IS VIDEO THAT WILL TELL US THERE IS VIDEO THAT WILL TELL US SOMETHING IF NOT EVERYTHING SOMETHING IF NOT EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS. ABOUT THIS.>>THERE WILL BE VIDEO THAT WILL>>THERE WILL BE VIDEO THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PUZZLE THAT BE PART OF THE PUZZLE THAT THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TO PIECE THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TO PIECE TOGETHER. TOGETHER. THERE WON’T BE VIDEO IN THE SELL THERE WON’T BE VIDEO IN THE SELL BECAUSE OF PRIVACY RIGHTS. BECAUSE OF PRIVACY RIGHTS. BUT THERE WILL BE VIDEO FROM THE BUT THERE WILL BE VIDEO FROM THE HALLWAYS. HALLWAYS. IN WILL BE — THERE WILL BE — IN WILL BE — THERE WILL BE — I’M SURE THEY’RE ALREADY I’M SURE THEY’RE ALREADY LOOKING — SOMEBODY IS GOING LOOKING — SOMEBODY IS GOING THROUGH WHATEVER VIDEO CAN BE THROUGH WHATEVER VIDEO CAN BE GONE THROUGH. GONE THROUGH. THEY’RE LOOK AT WHO DID EPSTEIN THEY’RE LOOK AT WHO DID EPSTEIN SPEAK TO. SPEAK TO. WHO DID HE HAVE PHONE CALLS WHO DID HE HAVE PHONE CALLS WITH? WITH? WHO DID HE HAVE CONTACT WITH IN WHO DID HE HAVE CONTACT WITH IN THE TIME BETWEEN WHEN HE WAS THE TIME BETWEEN WHEN HE WAS TAKEN OFF SUICIDE WATCH AND TAKEN OFF SUICIDE WATCH AND KILLED HIMSELF PRESUMABLY? KILLED HIMSELF PRESUMABLY? YOU KNOW, EVERY PERSONNEL, YOU KNOW, EVERY PERSONNEL, EVERYONE WHO WORKS THERE IS EVERYONE WHO WORKS THERE IS GOING TO BE INTERVIEWED AND GOING TO BE INTERVIEWED AND QUESTIONED SEPARATELY AND QUESTIONED SEPARATELY AND CAREFULLY. CAREFULLY. BUT THE REAL PROBLEM HERE IN MY BUT THE REAL PROBLEM HERE IN MY MIND IS WE NEED ANSWERS AND WE MIND IS WE NEED ANSWERS AND WE NEED BOTH THE PUBLIC AND THE NEED BOTH THE PUBLIC AND THE VICTIMS TO TRUST THE ANSWERS VICTIMS TO TRUST THE ANSWERS THAT WE GET. THAT WE GET. AND WITH BILL BARR AT THE HELM AND WITH BILL BARR AT THE HELM AND DOING WHAT HE’S ALREADY AND DOING WHAT HE’S ALREADY DOING, WHICH IS SPINNING THIS, DOING, WHICH IS SPINNING THIS, LIKE HE DID WITH THE MUELLER LIKE HE DID WITH THE MUELLER REPORT, HOW CAN ANYBODY TRUST REPORT, HOW CAN ANYBODY TRUST IT? IT? HE HAD BEEN RECUSED. HE HAD BEEN RECUSED. HE UNRECUSED HIMSELF TO TAKE HE UNRECUSED HIMSELF TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY OVER THE SOUTHERN RESPONSIBILITY OVER THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT INVESTIGATION. DISTRICT INVESTIGATION. AND NOW HE’S ALREADY DISCLAIMING AND NOW HE’S ALREADY DISCLAIMING RESPONSIBILITY AS YOU SAID. RESPONSIBILITY AS YOU SAID. AND I THINK FOR ANYONE TO HAVE AND I THINK FOR ANYONE TO HAVE FAITH IN WHAT THE FINDINGS ARE, FAITH IN WHAT THE FINDINGS ARE, WHICH ARE SO IMPORTANT TO THE WHICH ARE SO IMPORTANT TO THE VICTIMS AND THE JUSTICE SYSTEM VICTIMS AND THE JUSTICE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE, BILL BARR MUST AS A WHOLE, BILL BARR MUST RECUSE HIMSELF. RECUSE HIMSELF.>>JOHN, THERE IS AN ESTABLISHED>>JOHN, THERE IS AN ESTABLISHED REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL VIEW OF REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL VIEW OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR DEPARTMENT RESPONSIBILITY FOR DEPARTMENT HEADS IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, HEADS IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY IF IT’S THE HEAD OF ESPECIALLY IF IT’S THE HEAD OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE DEATH OCCURS IN BENGHAZI. DEATH OCCURS IN BENGHAZI. ALL OF THAT WAS BLAMED ON ALL OF THAT WAS BLAMED ON HILLARY CLINTON BY HOUSE HILLARY CLINTON BY HOUSE REPUBLICANS. REPUBLICANS. HERE’S WILLIAM BARR AT THE TOP HERE’S WILLIAM BARR AT THE TOP OF HIS DEPARTMENT. OF HIS DEPARTMENT. BUT THIS LETTER TONIGHT BUT THIS LETTER TONIGHT CO-SIGNED BY THE LEADING CO-SIGNED BY THE LEADING REPUBLICAN ON THE HOUSE REPUBLICAN ON THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IS ASKING JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IS ASKING ALL THE RIGHT QUESTIONS. ALL THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.>>YES.>>YES. DOES THE WORD HYPOCRISY MEAN DOES THE WORD HYPOCRISY MEAN ANYTHING? ANYTHING? THAT’S NOT A NEW THING FOR THIS THAT’S NOT A NEW THING FOR THIS REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THIS AGE OF REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THIS AGE OF DONALD TRUMP TO CAST ASIDE ALL DONALD TRUMP TO CAST ASIDE ALL PRIOR ALLEGED CONVICTIONS OR PRIOR ALLEGED CONVICTIONS OR COMMITMENTS TO HOW COMMITMENTS TO HOW RESPONSIBILITY WORKS, WHERE THE RESPONSIBILITY WORKS, WHERE THE BUCK STOPS IN SITUATIONS LIKE BUCK STOPS IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS. THIS. I THINK IT’S, YOU KNOW — YOU’VE I THINK IT’S, YOU KNOW — YOU’VE SEEN THE COGNITIVE DISSONANCE AS SEEN THE COGNITIVE DISSONANCE AS YOU WATCHED BEFORE THE EPSTEIN YOU WATCHED BEFORE THE EPSTEIN EVENT, YOU KNOW, ON FRIDAY YOU EVENT, YOU KNOW, ON FRIDAY YOU HAD THE NAMES OF SOME PROMINENT HAD THE NAMES OF SOME PROMINENT PEOPLE WHO WERE IMPLICATED IN PEOPLE WHO WERE IMPLICATED IN THE EPSTEIN THING. THE EPSTEIN THING. YOU SAW BILL RICHLDSON’S NAME. YOU SAW BILL RICHLDSON’S NAME. YOU SAW GEORGE MITCHELL’S NAME YOU SAW GEORGE MITCHELL’S NAME COME OUT. COME OUT. YOU SAW DONALD TRUMP’S NAME. YOU SAW DONALD TRUMP’S NAME. AND YOU SAW BILL CLINTON’S NAME. AND YOU SAW BILL CLINTON’S NAME. AND YET OVERT WEEKEND YOU HAVE AND YET OVERT WEEKEND YOU HAVE PEOPLE AROUND DONALD TRUMP PEOPLE AROUND DONALD TRUMP BASICALLY POINTING TO BILL BASICALLY POINTING TO BILL CLINTON AS THE PRESIDENT STOKED CLINTON AS THE PRESIDENT STOKED THIS CONSPIRACY THEORY BY THIS CONSPIRACY THEORY BY RETWEETING SOMEONE WHO CLAIMED RETWEETING SOMEONE WHO CLAIMED THAT THIS IS PART OF THE CLINTON THAT THIS IS PART OF THE CLINTON BODY COUNT. BODY COUNT. YET IT IS THE CASE THAT BOTH OF YET IT IS THE CASE THAT BOTH OF THEM ARE — WERE KNOWN THEM ARE — WERE KNOWN HISTORICAL CONSORTS OF JEFFREY HISTORICAL CONSORTS OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND ONLY ONE OF THEM IS EPSTEIN AND ONLY ONE OF THEM IS THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHOSE JUSTICE UNITED STATES WHOSE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT RUNS THE FEDERAL DEPARTMENT RUNS THE FEDERAL PRISON SYSTEM. PRISON SYSTEM. SO I’M NOT ENDPAJING IN ANY SO I’M NOT ENDPAJING IN ANY CONSPIRACY THEORIES JUST TO SAY CONSPIRACY THEORIES JUST TO SAY IF YOU’RE GOING TO START ASKING IF YOU’RE GOING TO START ASKING ABOUT CULPABILITY AND YOU’RE ABOUT CULPABILITY AND YOU’RE GOING TO START POINT FINGERS THE GOING TO START POINT FINGERS THE PLACE TO START LOOKING IS WITH PLACE TO START LOOKING IS WITH THE GOVERNMENT THAT RUNS THAT THE GOVERNMENT THAT RUNS THAT FACILITY. FACILITY. AND THIS GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO AND THIS GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THIS ATTORNEY GENERAL, THIS THIS ATTORNEY GENERAL, THIS ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO HAS SHOWN ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO HAS SHOWN OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT HE’S IN OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT HE’S IN THIS GAME FIRST AND FOREMOST TO THIS GAME FIRST AND FOREMOST TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP ABOVE ALL. PROTECT DONALD TRUMP ABOVE ALL.>>MIMI, TO GO BACK TO YOUR>>MIMI, TO GO BACK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE BARR POINT ABOUT THE BARR NON-RECUSAL. NON-RECUSAL. BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATIONS IN BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATIONS IN THE SOUTHERN ZRINGT DO CROSS THE SOUTHERN ZRINGT DO CROSS LINES WITH DONALD TRUMP HERE AND LINES WITH DONALD TRUMP HERE AND THERE AND HERE IS SOMEONE WHO IS THERE AND HERE IS SOMEONE WHO IS A FORMER FRIEND OF DONALD TRUMP A FORMER FRIEND OF DONALD TRUMP TRUMP’S. TRUMP’S. IRONICALLY, ODDLY, GIVEN HIS IRONICALLY, ODDLY, GIVEN HIS JOB, HIS FIRST JOB IN NEW YORK JOB, HIS FIRST JOB IN NEW YORK AT A PRIVATE HIGH SCHOOL IN NEW AT A PRIVATE HIGH SCHOOL IN NEW YORK BY WILLIAM BARR’S FATHER, YORK BY WILLIAM BARR’S FATHER, WILLIAM BARR’S FATHER AS THE WILLIAM BARR’S FATHER AS THE HEADMASTER OF SCHOOL ACTUALLY HEADMASTER OF SCHOOL ACTUALLY HIRED THIS GUY, THAT’S PLENTY OF HIRED THIS GUY, THAT’S PLENTY OF GROUNDS RIGHT THERE FOR BARR TO GROUNDS RIGHT THERE FOR BARR TO RECUSE HIMSELF. RECUSE HIMSELF. BUT YOU DIDN’T, AS YOU POINTED BUT YOU DIDN’T, AS YOU POINTED OUT IN THIS CASE. OUT IN THIS CASE. WHICH MEANS HE LEFT HIMSELF IN WHICH MEANS HE LEFT HIMSELF IN CHARGE FULLY OF THE CHARGE FULLY OF THE INCARCERATION OF JEFFREY INCARCERATION OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN. WHAT EFFORTS DID HE MAKE TO XLNT WHAT EFFORTS DID HE MAKE TO XLNT IMPORTANCE OF THIS PRISONER? IMPORTANCE OF THIS PRISONER?>>EXACTLY.>>EXACTLY. HE’S NOW SAYING IN HIS STATEMENT HE’S NOW SAYING IN HIS STATEMENT TODAY THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT TODAY THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT CASE. CASE. IF IT WERE THAT IMPORTANT OF A IF IT WERE THAT IMPORTANT OF A CASE, A CASE YOU SAID I’M SO CASE, A CASE YOU SAID I’M SO INVESTED IN THIS CASE AND I’M INVESTED IN THIS CASE AND I’M GOING TO PUT ASIDE THOSE MAYBE GOING TO PUT ASIDE THOSE MAYBE APPARENT CONFLICTS THAT PEOPLE APPARENT CONFLICTS THAT PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE ISSUE WITH BECAUSE I MIGHT HAVE ISSUE WITH BECAUSE I WANT TO OVERSEE, IT I WANT TO WANT TO OVERSEE, IT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT’S DONE RIGHT THIS MAKE SURE IT’S DONE RIGHT THIS TIME AROUND, WELL, THEN YOU TIME AROUND, WELL, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID FROM THE TOP SHOULD HAVE SAID FROM THE TOP DOWN WHATEVER RESOURCES YOU NEED DOWN WHATEVER RESOURCES YOU NEED TO PROTECT THIS MAN, THE SAME TO PROTECT THIS MAN, THE SAME WAY THEY DID WITH EL CHAPO, WAY THEY DID WITH EL CHAPO, RIGHT? RIGHT? IT’S NOT LIKE THEY AREN’T IT’S NOT LIKE THEY AREN’T CAPABLE OF DOING IT. CAPABLE OF DOING IT. WHATEVER RESOURCES YOU NEED I WHATEVER RESOURCES YOU NEED I WILL GET YOU. WILL GET YOU. I’M NOT SAYING THERE AREN’T I’M NOT SAYING THERE AREN’T SYSTEMATIC PROBLEMS ON A SYSTEMATIC PROBLEMS ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS IN THE MCC, DAY-TO-DAY BASIS IN THE MCC, OTHER PRISON THAT’S MAYBE WILL OTHER PRISON THAT’S MAYBE WILL COME TO LIGHT AS A RESULT OF COME TO LIGHT AS A RESULT OF THIS AND BE ADDRESSED BUT HE THIS AND BE ADDRESSED BUT HE COULD HAVE REACHED OUT, HE COULD HAVE REACHED OUT, HE SHOULD HAVE REACHED OUT, SHOULD HAVE REACHED OUT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN HIS POSITION, ESPECIALLY GIVEN HIS POSITION, AND SAID I AM GIVING YOU THE AND SAID I AM GIVING YOU THE RESOURCES YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE RESOURCES YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE JEFFREY EPSTEIN GOES TO TRIAL JEFFREY EPSTEIN GOES TO TRIAL AND SEES THAT DAY OF TRIAL. AND SEES THAT DAY OF TRIAL.>>AND SO JOHN, AS MIMI SAID IN>>AND SO JOHN, AS MIMI SAID IN HER FIRST STATEMENT TONIGHT, HER FIRST STATEMENT TONIGHT, WILLIAM BARR IS ALREADY SPINNING WILLIAM BARR IS ALREADY SPINNING THIS. THIS. HE GOES OUT THERE TODAY AND GOES HE GOES OUT THERE TODAY AND GOES WAY BEYOND ANYTHING WE KNOW IN WAY BEYOND ANYTHING WE KNOW IN THE NEWS REPORTS AND SAYS THE NEWS REPORTS AND SAYS SERIOUS IRREGULARITIES IN THIS SERIOUS IRREGULARITIES IN THIS FACILITY WHICH HE SUPERVISES, FACILITY WHICH HE SUPERVISES, WHICH IS UNDER HIS JURISDICTION. WHICH IS UNDER HIS JURISDICTION. AND THAT AGAIN IS WILLIAM BARR AND THAT AGAIN IS WILLIAM BARR STEPPING OUT AHEAD OF WHAT WE STEPPING OUT AHEAD OF WHAT WE KNOW BEFORE WE’RE ALLOWED TO KNOW BEFORE WE’RE ALLOWED TO KNOW. KNOW. AND THEN NOT GIVING US ANY HINT AND THEN NOT GIVING US ANY HINT OF WHAT AN IRREGULARITY IS. OF WHAT AN IRREGULARITY IS.>>WE’VE SEEN BILL BARR DO THIS>>WE’VE SEEN BILL BARR DO THIS BEFORE, STEP OUT AHEAD OF BEFORE, STEP OUT AHEAD OF EVERYTHING WE KNOW AND CAST EVERYTHING WE KNOW AND CAST EVENTS IN A CERTAIN WAY. EVENTS IN A CERTAIN WAY. SPIN THEM IN A CERTAIN WAY. SPIN THEM IN A CERTAIN WAY. IT’S PART OF THE TROUBLING IT’S PART OF THE TROUBLING PATTERN I THINK ON THE PART FRT PATTERN I THINK ON THE PART FRT ATTORNEY GENERAL. ATTORNEY GENERAL. AND I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, WE AND I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, WE DON’T KNOW WHEN HE SAYS THERE DON’T KNOW WHEN HE SAYS THERE ARE TROUBLING IRREGULARITIES, WE ARE TROUBLING IRREGULARITIES, WE DO NOT KNOW IF HE’S TALKING DO NOT KNOW IF HE’S TALKING HIFSHLTH HIFSHLTH HISTORICALLY. HISTORICALLY. WE DON’T KNOW IF HE’S TROEFRG WE DON’T KNOW IF HE’S TROEFRG THIS CASE. THIS CASE. THERE CLEARLY ARE IRREGULARITIES THERE CLEARLY ARE IRREGULARITIES WITH RESPECT TO THIS CASE. WITH RESPECT TO THIS CASE. THE QUESTION IS IF HE’S CASTING THE QUESTION IS IF HE’S CASTING AN ASPERSION THAT HE’S TRYING TO AN ASPERSION THAT HE’S TRYING TO CLAIM THESE PROBLEMS ARE CLAIM THESE PROBLEMS ARE SYSTEMIC AND HAVE GONE ON FOR SYSTEMIC AND HAVE GONE ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND SO TALTH YEARS AND YEARS AND SO TALTH HAPPENED ON MY WATCH I CAN’T BE HAPPENED ON MY WATCH I CAN’T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROBLEMS THAT RESPONSIBLE FOR PROBLEMS THAT HAVE BEEN FESTERING IN THIS HAVE BEEN FESTERING IN THIS PRISON FOR MANY DECADES. PRISON FOR MANY DECADES. WE’LL SEE IF THAT’S WHERE HE GO WE’LL SEE IF THAT’S WHERE HE GO BUT DON’T BE SURPRISEED IF THAT BUT DON’T BE SURPRISEED IF THAT IS WHERE WE GO. IS WHERE WE GO.>>MIMI, “NEW YORK TIMES”>>MIMI, “NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTING THAT THIS MEANS THAT REPORTING THAT THIS MEANS THAT PROSECUTORS WILL PROBABLY START PROSECUTORS WILL PROBABLY START CONCENTRATING MORE HEAVILY ON CONCENTRATING MORE HEAVILY ON THE FINANCIAL LIFE OF JEFFREY THE FINANCIAL LIFE OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN SINCE THEY CAN’T EPSTEIN SINCE THEY CAN’T PROSECUTE ANY OF THESE CRIMINAL PROSECUTE ANY OF THESE CRIMINAL CASES AGAINST HIM. CASES AGAINST HIM. WE HAVE ANOTHER REPORT IN THE WE HAVE ANOTHER REPORT IN THE “NEW YORK TIMES” TONIGHT FROM “NEW YORK TIMES” TONIGHT FROM JAMES STEWART. JAMES STEWART. HE REPORTS OF AN INTERVIEW HE HE REPORTS OF AN INTERVIEW HE HAD WITH EPSTEIN LAST YEAR WHERE HAD WITH EPSTEIN LAST YEAR WHERE EPSTEIN POINTS TO A PICTURE EPSTEIN POINTS TO A PICTURE SAYING THAT’S MBS, REFERRING TO SAYING THAT’S MBS, REFERRING TO MOHAMMAD BIN SALMAN, THE CROWN MOHAMMAD BIN SALMAN, THE CROWN PRINCE OF SAUDI ARABIA. PRINCE OF SAUDI ARABIA. THE CROWN PRINCE HAD VISITED HIM THE CROWN PRINCE HAD VISITED HIM MANY TIMES AND THEY SPOKE OFTEN, MANY TIMES AND THEY SPOKE OFTEN, MR. EPSTEIN SAID. MR. EPSTEIN SAID. MIMI, IF THAT’S TRUE, THAT’S MIMI, IF THAT’S TRUE, THAT’S JUST ONE INDICATOR OF THE KINDS JUST ONE INDICATOR OF THE KINDS OF PEOPLE WHO MAY BE EXPOSED IN OF PEOPLE WHO MAY BE EXPOSED IN THE CONTINUING OF THIS THE CONTINUING OF THIS INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. LOOK, THE FACT THAT JOFFREY LOOK, THE FACT THAT JOFFREY BERMAN PUT OUT A STATEMENT ON BERMAN PUT OUT A STATEMENT ON SATURDAY, THAT’S UNUSUAL FOR SATURDAY, THAT’S UNUSUAL FOR THEM TO PUT OUT A STATEMENT AT THEM TO PUT OUT A STATEMENT AT ALL ABOUT A CASE SO QUICKLY OVER ALL ABOUT A CASE SO QUICKLY OVER A WEEKEND, AND THE FACT THAT HE A WEEKEND, AND THE FACT THAT HE MADE THAT POINT ABOUT THERE MADE THAT POINT ABOUT THERE BEING A CONSPIRACY AND WE’RE BEING A CONSPIRACY AND WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE INVESTIGATING GOING TO CONTINUE INVESTIGATING AND WE WANT VICTIMS TO COME AND WE WANT VICTIMS TO COME FORWARD, I DON’T THINK HE WOULD FORWARD, I DON’T THINK HE WOULD HAVE DONE THAT IF THERE WERE HAVE DONE THAT IF THERE WERE JUST SORT OF LET’S THROW IT UP JUST SORT OF LET’S THROW IT UP AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. THAT WOULD BE PRETTY RISKY ON THAT WOULD BE PRETTY RISKY ON HIS PART. HIS PART. THEY CLEARLY HAVE ALREADY I THEY CLEARLY HAVE ALREADY I THINK SOME IDEA WHERE THIS IS THINK SOME IDEA WHERE THIS IS GOING IN TERMS OF GOING IN TERMS OF CO-CONSPIRATORS. CO-CONSPIRATORS. WHETHER THAT TURNS OUT TO BE WHETHER THAT TURNS OUT TO BE GHISLAINE — I CAN’T PRONOUNCE GHISLAINE — I CAN’T PRONOUNCE HER NAME. HER NAME. MAXWELL MAXWELL MAXWELL MAXWELL MAXWELL. MAXWELL. AND OTHER MORE HIGH-PROFILE AND OTHER MORE HIGH-PROFILE PEOPLE I DON’T KNOW. PEOPLE I DON’T KNOW. BUT THEY ARE GOING TO KEEP BUT THEY ARE GOING TO KEEP PURSUING THIS I THINK CRIMINALLY PURSUING THIS I THINK CRIMINALLY AND CIVILLY IN TERMS OF AND CIVILLY IN TERMS OF FORFEITURE OF HIS ASSETS. FORFEITURE OF HIS ASSETS.>>THE U.S. ATTORNEY SAID TO>>THE U.S. ATTORNEY SAID TO MIMI’S POINT ON SATURDAY O’”TO MIMI’S POINT ON SATURDAY O’”TO THOSE BRAVE YOUNG WOMEN WHO HAVE THOSE BRAVE YOUNG WOMEN WHO HAVE ALREADY COME FORWARD AND TO THE ALREADY COME FORWARD AND TO THE MANY OTHERS WHO HAVE YET TO DO MANY OTHERS WHO HAVE YET TO DO SO, LET ME REITERATE THAT WE SO, LET ME REITERATE THAT WE REMAIN COMMITTED TO STANDING FOR REMAIN COMMITTED TO STANDING FOR YOU IN OUR INVESTIGATION OF THE YOU IN OUR INVESTIGATION OF THE INVESTIGATION OF THE CONDUCT INVESTIGATION OF THE CONDUCT CHARGED IN THE INDICTMENT, WHICH CHARGED IN THE INDICTMENT, WHICH INCLUDED A CONSPIRACY COUNT, INCLUDED A CONSPIRACY COUNT, REMAINS ONGOING.” REMAINS ONGOING.” SO JOHN, THAT’S THE ESSENCE OF SO JOHN, THAT’S THE ESSENCE OF WHAT WE KNOW CONTINUES. WHAT WE KNOW CONTINUES.>>CONSPIRACIES ARE RARELY>>CONSPIRACIES ARE RARELY CONDUCT ADD LOAN. CONDUCT ADD LOAN. CONSPIRACIES USUALLY INVOLVE CONSPIRACIES USUALLY INVOLVE CO-CONSPIRATORS, AND WE HAVE CO-CONSPIRATORS, AND WE HAVE SOME IDEA ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO SOME IDEA ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE CLOSE TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN. WERE CLOSE TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN. MISS MAXWELL IS ONE OF THE MISS MAXWELL IS ONE OF THE PEOPLE POINTED TO FREQUENTLY. PEOPLE POINTED TO FREQUENTLY. IT IS THE CASE NOT BEING A IT IS THE CASE NOT BEING A LAWYER BUT HAVING LISTENED TO A LAWYER BUT HAVING LISTENED TO A LOT OF SMART LAWYERS OVER THE LOT OF SMART LAWYERS OVER THE WEEKEND THAT THE ONE POSITIVE WEEKEND THAT THE ONE POSITIVE ELEMENT OF THEN TIRE THING AND ELEMENT OF THEN TIRE THING AND THERE ARE REALLY — IT’S THERE ARE REALLY — IT’S OBVIOUSLY A REALLY DARK FURNISH OBVIOUSLY A REALLY DARK FURNISH OF EVENTS. OF EVENTS. BUT THE NOTION THAT THERE WILL BUT THE NOTION THAT THERE WILL NO LONGER BE STANDING OR THE NO LONGER BE STANDING OR THE ABILITY TO CHALLENGE THE ABILITY TO CHALLENGE THE SEARCHES OF ALL OF GEOFFREY SEARCHES OF ALL OF GEOFFREY EPSTEIN’S PROPERTIES, OF ALL OF EPSTEIN’S PROPERTIES, OF ALL OF HIS BANK RECORDS, THAT HE WON’T HIS BANK RECORDS, THAT HE WON’T HAVE LAWYERS WHO HAVE STABBEDING HAVE LAWYERS WHO HAVE STABBEDING ING ING STANDING TO FIGHT, SO IF THERE STANDING TO FIGHT, SO IF THERE ARE CASES THAT WILL BE BROUGHT ARE CASES THAT WILL BE BROUGHT AGAINST CO-CONSPIRATORS IT AGAINST CO-CONSPIRATORS IT SHOULD BE FOR A COMMITTED SET OF SHOULD BE FOR A COMMITTED SET OF PROSECUTORS EASIER TO GET PROSECUTORS EASIER TO GET EVIDENCE OF THAT CONSPIRACY THAN EVIDENCE OF THAT CONSPIRACY THAN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S LAWYERS WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S LAWYERS FIGHTING AT EVERY TURN. FIGHTING AT EVERY TURN. AND THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE AND THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE TESTS OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS TESTS OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS INVESTIGATION IS SERIOUS OR NOT. INVESTIGATION IS SERIOUS OR NOT. ARE WE NOW GOING TO SEE ARE WE NOW GOING TO SEE PROSECUTORS OR INVESTIGATORS PROSECUTORS OR INVESTIGATORS JUST RANSACKING EVERY L JEFFREY JUST RANSACKING EVERY L JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S LIFE IN ORDER TO TRY EPSTEIN’S LIFE IN ORDER TO TRY TO FIND WHATEVER EVIDENCE EXISTS TO FIND WHATEVER EVIDENCE EXISTS OF ANYONE WHO IS COMPLICIT OF ANYONE WHO IS COMPLICIT WHETHER THEY’RE A CO-CONSPIRATOR WHETHER THEY’RE A CO-CONSPIRATOR OR JUST COMPLICIT IN THIS OR JUST COMPLICIT IN THIS BEHAVIOR BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT BEHAVIOR BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE VICTIMS ARE OWED. THE VICTIMS ARE OWED.>>MIMI, ARE WE GOING TO KNOW>>MIMI, ARE WE GOING TO KNOW HOW JEFFREY EPSTEIN DIED AND WHY HOW JEFFREY EPSTEIN DIED AND WHY HE DIED AND WHO’S RESPONSIBLE? HE DIED AND WHO’S RESPONSIBLE?>>WELL, LOOK, THE INSPECTOR>>WELL, LOOK, THE INSPECTOR GENERAL’S REPORT I THINK THEY GENERAL’S REPORT I THINK THEY GENERALLY MAKE THEIR FINDINGS GENERALLY MAKE THEIR FINDINGS PUBLIC. PUBLIC. AND HER REASONABLY INDEPENDENT AND HER REASONABLY INDEPENDENT FROM BILL BARR ALTHOUGH PART OF FROM BILL BARR ALTHOUGH PART OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF KNOWING THAT. KNOWING THAT. THE FBI INVESTIGATION — AND BY THE FBI INVESTIGATION — AND BY THE WAY, I’M NOT CASTING THE WAY, I’M NOT CASTING ASPERSIONS ON THE FBI AGENTS ASPERSIONS ON THE FBI AGENTS THEMSELVES. THEMSELVES. THIS IS ABOUT BARR OVERSEEING THIS IS ABOUT BARR OVERSEEING IT. IT. THAT IF IT’S A CRIMINAL THAT IF IT’S A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION WE WOULD ONLY KNOW INVESTIGATION WE WOULD ONLY KNOW ABOUT IF THEY BROUGHT CRIMINAL ABOUT IF THEY BROUGHT CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST SOMEONE. CHARGES AGAINST SOMEONE. AND I THINK IT’S JUST TOO EARLY AND I THINK IT’S JUST TOO EARLY TO SAY THAT. TO SAY THAT. I THINK ALSO THROUGH HOUSE I THINK ALSO THROUGH HOUSE OVERSIGHT WE WILL GET SOME OVERSIGHT WE WILL GET SOME ANSWERS. ANSWERS. SO YES, I THINK WE WILL GET THE SO YES, I THINK WE WILL GET THE ANSWERS. ANSWERS. I THINK IT’S PROBABLY GOING TO I THINK IT’S PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE LONGER THAN PEOPLE WANT, TAKE LONGER THAN PEOPLE WANT, WHICH IS WHY BILL BARR SHOULD WHICH IS WHY BILL BARR SHOULD NOT BE DOING WHAT HE’S DOING NOT BE DOING WHAT HE’S DOING ALREADY, WHICH IS PUTTING OUT A ALREADY, WHICH IS PUTTING OUT A FEW LITTLE SELECT CRYPTIC FACTS FEW LITTLE SELECT CRYPTIC FACTS WITH HIS SPIN ON IT.

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THE PERSON WHO HAS TO CONDUCT THE TALKS. THE TALKS. I DON’T KNOW HOW THEY WANT TO I DON’T KNOW HOW THEY WANT TO TALK. TALK.>>>NEW DETAILS TODAY ABOUT>>>NEW DETAILS TODAY ABOUT JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S WILL, WHICH HE JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S WILL, WHICH HE APPARENTLY CHANGED JUST BEFORE APPARENTLY CHANGED JUST BEFORE HIS DEATH AND HIS ESTATE WHICH HIS DEATH AND HIS ESTATE WHICH IS EVEN LARGER THAN WE IS EVEN LARGER THAN WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT. ORIGINALLY THOUGHT. TOM, WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED ABOUT TOM, WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED ABOUT THE DISGRACED FINANCIER’S THE DISGRACED FINANCIER’S FORTUNE? FORTUNE?>>A COUPLE OF INTERESTING>>A COUPLE OF INTERESTING REVELATIONS. REVELATIONS. AS FAR AS THE OVERALL NET AS FAR AS THE OVERALL NET NUMBER, NOT MUCH OF A DISPUTE NUMBER, NOT MUCH OF A DISPUTE BETWEEN WHAT HE TOLD PROSECUTORS BETWEEN WHAT HE TOLD PROSECUTORS AND A FEDERAL JUDGE BEFORE HE AND A FEDERAL JUDGE BEFORE HE DIED IN AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO GET DIED IN AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO GET A BAIL PACKAGE ESSENTIALLY AND A BAIL PACKAGE ESSENTIALLY AND NOT TO BE DETAINED BEHIND BARS NOT TO BE DETAINED BEHIND BARS PRIOR TO HIS TRIAL. PRIOR TO HIS TRIAL. BUT WHAT’S INTERESTING IS A BUT WHAT’S INTERESTING IS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS. COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS. I’M HOLDING UP A DOCUMENT HERE. I’M HOLDING UP A DOCUMENT HERE. THIS IS A KEY SECTION. THIS IS A KEY SECTION. THERE’S A TBD. THERE’S A TBD. THE TBD IS FOR THE ART, IT’S FOR THE TBD IS FOR THE ART, IT’S FOR VALUABLES, IT’S FOR ANTIQUES. VALUABLES, IT’S FOR ANTIQUES. IT’S FOR OTHER PERSONAL IT’S FOR OTHER PERSONAL PROPERTY. PROPERTY. THAT’S SOMETHING PROSECUTORS THAT’S SOMETHING PROSECUTORS KEYED IN ON BECAUSE THAT SAID KEYED IN ON BECAUSE THAT SAID THAT’S A TYPE OF PORTABLE THAT’S A TYPE OF PORTABLE WEALTH. WEALTH. WHEN YOU TAKE A HIGH VALUED WHEN YOU TAKE A HIGH VALUED PAINTING FOR INSTANCE OR PAINTING FOR INSTANCE OR DIAMONDS OUT OF THE COUNTRY OR DIAMONDS OUT OF THE COUNTRY OR ON SOME SORT OF EFFORT TO FLEE, ON SOME SORT OF EFFORT TO FLEE, THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT PROSECUTORS CAN’T REALLY THAT PROSECUTORS CAN’T REALLY HOLD ONTO. HOLD ONTO. IT’S INTERESTING TO SEE HERE IN IT’S INTERESTING TO SEE HERE IN THE WILL KIND OF THE CONCERNS OF THE WILL KIND OF THE CONCERNS OF THE GOVERNMENT LEADING UP TO HIS THE GOVERNMENT LEADING UP TO HIS BAIL DETENTION HEARING. BAIL DETENTION HEARING. OF COURSE THAT HAS BECOME SO OF COURSE THAT HAS BECOME SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE LAPSES THAT OCCURRED AT MCC LAPSES THAT OCCURRED AT MCC WHERE HE WAS DETAINED BEFORE HE WHERE HE WAS DETAINED BEFORE HE DIED OF SUICIDE. DIED OF SUICIDE.>>HE MADE A LAST-MINUTE CHANGE>>HE MADE A LAST-MINUTE CHANGE TO THAT WILL 48 HOURS BEFORE HE TO THAT WILL 48 HOURS BEFORE HE DIED. DIED. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO THE CIVIL WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO THE CIVIL SUITS AGAINST EPSTEIN AS WE GO SUITS AGAINST EPSTEIN AS WE GO FORWARD? FORWARD?>>ONE OF THE THINGS IT’S DONE>>ONE OF THE THINGS IT’S DONE IS IT’S PUT EVERYTHING INTO A IS IT’S PUT EVERYTHING INTO A TRUST. TRUST. ALL THIS WOULD HAVE GONE TO HIS ALL THIS WOULD HAVE GONE TO HIS BROTHER BUT EVERYTHING IS GOING BROTHER BUT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE PUT INTO A TRUST HERE. TO BE PUT INTO A TRUST HERE. SO IT MEANS THAT HIS ATTORNEYS SO IT MEANS THAT HIS ATTORNEYS CAN CONTINUE TO BE PAID OUT, BUT CAN CONTINUE TO BE PAID OUT, BUT IT ALSO MEANS THAT THE VICTIMS IT ALSO MEANS THAT THE VICTIMS HERE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE HERE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE CLAIMS AGAINST THE TRUST ITSELF. CLAIMS AGAINST THE TRUST ITSELF. IT SHELTERS A LITTLE BIT. IT SHELTERS A LITTLE BIT. IT KIND OF KEEPS THINGS AWAY IT KIND OF KEEPS THINGS AWAY FROM SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS, FROM SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS, BASICALLY MAKES SURE THAT HIS BASICALLY MAKES SURE THAT HIS FAMILY MEMBERS, IN THIS CASE ONE FAMILY MEMBERS, IN THIS CASE ONE MEMBER, THAT’S HIS BROTHER MARK, MEMBER, THAT’S HIS BROTHER MARK, IS NOT GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO

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>>Harris: MOMENTS AGO WE LEARNED THERE HAS BEEN ACTION TAKEN BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR AFTER THE DEATH OF ACCUSED SEX TRAFFICKERS JEFFREY EPSTEIN. BARR HAS APPOINTED A NEW LEADERSHIP TEAM AT THE BUREAU OF PRISONS. EPSTEIN KILLED HIMSELF INSIDE HIS NEW YORK CITY JAIL CELL. BRYAN LLENAS’ LIFE FOR US AND OUR NEW YORK CITY NEWSROOM. SO THIS DEVELOPMENT IS BRAND-NEW. TELL US ABOUT IT.>>YES, IT IS BRAND-NEW. THE DIRECTOR OF THE BUREAU OF PRISONS IS NOW OUT. THAT IS HUGH HURWITZ. HE WAS THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF THE BUREAU OF PRISONS SINCE MAY OF 2018. HURWITZ TOOK OVER FOR MARK INCH, WHO HAD RESIGNED AS BUREAU OF PRISONS. HE HAD SERVED FOR JUST ABOUT A YEAR, AS WELL. NOW YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THREE BUREAU PRISONS DIRECTORS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. THE NEW PRISONS DIRECTOR IS NOW DR. KATHLEEN SAWYER. SHE WAS THE DIRECTOR OF THE BOP FROM 1992 TO 2003. SHE STARTED AS A PSYCHOLOGIST IN THE BOP AND SHE IS NOW COMING OUT OF RETIREMENT TO LEAD THE BUREAU OF PRISONS. ALL OF THIS STEMMING AS A RESULT OF WHAT HAPPENED TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN AT MCC. ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR SAYING THAT THERE WERE SOME SERIOUS IRREGULAR DAYS AT THE METROPOLITAN CORRECTIONAL CENTER THAT ALLOWED FOR JEFFREY EPSTEIN TO HANG HIMSELF IN A SUICIDE, ACCORDING TO AN AUTOPSY REPORT. WE WILL SEE WHAT COMES FROM THAT. ALL OF THAT HAPPENING, HARRIS, AS THERE IS A NEW VIDEO FROM THE DAILY MAIL FROM 2010 IN DECEMBER THAT SHOWS PRINCE ANDREW, THE DUKE OF YORK, INSIDE OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S NEW YORK CITY MANSION AS YOUNG WOMEN ARE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE HOME. I WILL DESCRIBE THE VIDEO TO YOU. YOU SEE PRINCE ANDREW OPENING THE FRONT DOOR OF EPSTEIN’S UPPER EAST SIDE MANSION, AND THE PRINCE IS SEEN WAVING GOODBYE TO A YOUNG BRUNETTE WHO IS SEEN LEAVING THE HOME. MOMENTS BEFORE THAT, EPSTEIN HIMSELF IS SEEN LEAVING HIS UPPER EASTSIDE RESIDENTS OF THE YOUNG BLONDE WOMAN. THE VIDEO SHOWS THREE YOUNG WOMEN COMING AND GOING FROM THE HOUSE. TO THAT, BUCKINGHAM PALACE RELEASING A STATEMENT THAT SAYS, “ESSENTIALLY DISTANCE HIMSELF “THE DUKE OF YORK HAS BEEN APPALLED BY THE REPORTS OF EPSTEIN’S CRIMES. AS ROYAL HIGHNESS DEPLORES THE EXPLICATION OF ANY HUMAN BEING ON SUGGESTION THAT HE WOULD CONDONE, PARTICIPATE IN, OR ENCOURAGE ANY SUCH BEHAVIOR IS ABHORRENT. EPSTEIN AND PRINCE ANDREW RACINE IN 2011 STROLLING IN CENTRAL PARK TO GIVE IT. THIS PHOTO PUBLISHED IN THE JAMES PATTERSON BOOK, “FILTHY RICH.” HIS FRIENDSHIP WITH EPSTEIN LED HIM TO QUIT HIS ROLE AS BRITAIN SPECIAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR TRADE AND INVESTMENT. IN THIS PHOTO YOU CAN SEE PRINCE ANDREW WITH HIS HAND AROUND THE WAIST OF VIRGINIA GIUFFRE. SHE CLAIMS SHE WAS FORCED TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM. BUT SHE WAS FLOWN ON A PRIVATE JET SPECIFICALLY TO HAVE SEX WITH A ROYAL. ALL OF THESE ALLEGATIONS, THEY HAVE DENIED, HARRIS. ULTIMATELY ANOTHER DENIAL, ANOTHER DISTANCING AS NEW EVIDENCE SHOWS THEIR RELATIONSHIP.>>Harris: BRYAN LLENAS,

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I’M BILL HEMMER IN NEW YORK.>>Sandra: I’M SANDRA SMITH. WE’RE LEARNING NEW DETAILS ON THE TIME LINE OF THE DAY. WE’RE LEARNING ONE GUARD OF WAS A SUBSTITUTE. THE OTHER WAS REPORTEDLY NOT EVEN A CORRECTIONS OFFICER. THE NEW YORK POST NOW REPORTING EPSTEIN USED BED SHEETS TO HANG HIMSELF AND LEFT UNATTENDED FOR HOURS.>>Bill: AGENT NOW SEARCHING HIS U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS HOME AS ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BARR VOWS TO FIND ANSWERS ON EPSTEIN’S DEATH.>>I WAS APPALLED AND INDEED THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT WAS AND FRANKLY ANGRY TO LEARN OF THE MCCs FAILURE TO ADEQUATELY SECURE HIS PRISONER. WE ARE NOW LEARNING OF SERIOUS IRREGULARITIES OF THIS FACILITY THAT ARE DEEPLY CONCERNING AND DEMAND A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. THE FBI AND THE OFFICE INSPECTOR GENERAL ARE DOING JUST THAT. WE WILL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT HAPPENED AND THERE WILL BE ACCOUNTABILITY.>>Sandra: IN MOMENTS WE’LL SPEAK WITH RUDY GIULIANI IN STUDIO. WE BEGIN FIRST WITH BRYAN WITH DETAILS.>>Reporter: JEFFERY EPSTEIN KILLED HIMSELF WITH A BED SHEET WRAPPED AROUND HIS NECK TIDE — TIED TO THE BUNK GED AND HE KNEELED TO THE FLOOR AND STRANGLED HIMSELF WITH THE SHEET AND FOUND UNRESPONSIVE AT THE METROPOLITAN CORRECTIONAL CENTER SATURDAY. THE QUESTION IS HOW IS A HIGH-PROFILE INMATE LIKE EPSTEIN AT A FACILITY KNOWN FOR TIGHT SECURITY. EPSTEIN DID NOT HAVE A CELL MIGHT THAT NIGHT WHICH IS UNUSUAL TAKEN OFF SUICIDE WATCH. IT’S VERY RARE FON AN INMATE TO BE ON SUICIDE WATCH AND HIS PROFILE KEPT HIM IN THE SPECIAL HOUSING UNIT WHICH MAY HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND HIS DEATH.>>THE AVERAGE PERSON IS PLACED IN THE GENERAL POPULATION AFTER A SUICIDE WATCH. THE CHIEF PSYCHOLOGIST IN CONSULTATION WITH THE WARDEN DETERMINES HE’S NO LONGER A RISK AND THEY SAY OKAY BACK TO POPULATION. THERE’S ACTIVITIES PROGRAM, MORE ACCESS TO MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND CASE COUNSELLORS. THAT’S THE OPTIMAL SITUATION.>>WE KNOW EPSTEIN WAS NOT CHECKED ON SEVERAL HOURS PRIOR TO DEATH WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF NORMAL OPERATIONS CALLING FOR CHECK EVERY 30 MINUTES. THE UNION REPRESENTING TWO OF THE GUARDS RESPONSIBLE FOR WATCHING HE UNIT SAID THE GUARD OVERWORKED. ONE WORKED OVER 80 HOURS AND ONE VOLUNTEERED BECAUSE THE MCC HAS BEEN SHORT STAFFED FOR YEARS. TH “THE NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTS ONE WAS NOT EVEN AN OFFICER. AGE ERNTS — AGENTS ARRIVED TO SEARCH HIS PRIVATE ISLAND SHOWING THEY’RE STILL INVESTIGATING HIS SEX TRAFFICKING NETWORK WHICH MAY INCLUDE HIS FORMER DESCRIBED AS EPSTEIN’S ACCUSERS KNOWN AS HIS MADAME AND ARRANGING SEX WITH UNDERAGE GIRLS. LAWYERS FOR HIS ACCUSERS ARE NOW ASKING A FEDERAL JUDGE TO

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ALTHOUGH SHE WAS NOT ON HIS PAYROLL, HE HELPED ORGANIZING PAYROLL, HE HELPED ORGANIZING HIS LIFE AND CALLING HER “HIS HIS LIFE AND CALLING HER “HIS BEST FRIEND.” BEST FRIEND.”>>LET’S BRING IN TOM WINTER AND>>LET’S BRING IN TOM WINTER AND OUR STEVE EATON. OUR STEVE EATON. TOM, TO YOU FIRST. TOM, TO YOU FIRST. REVELATIONS IN EACH COURT REVELATIONS IN EACH COURT DOCUMENTS OF MAXWELL, WHAT DID DOCUMENTS OF MAXWELL, WHAT DID THEY CONFIRM THAT WE DID NOT THEY CONFIRM THAT WE DID NOT KNOW ALREADY? KNOW ALREADY? THIS IS THE DAUGHTER O F A THIS IS THE DAUGHTER O F A SWINDLER AND A CON MAN WHEN HER SWINDLER AND A CON MAN WHEN HER FATHER ROBERT MAXWELL DIED FATHER ROBERT MAXWELL DIED MYSTERIOUSLY MYSTERIOUSLY MYSTERIOUSLY FOUND NAKED ALL OF MYSTERIOUSLY FOUND NAKED ALL OF HIS YACHT. HIS YACHT. HE OWNED OVER 40 BANKS. HE OWNED OVER 40 BANKS. $4 BILLION. $4 BILLION. HOW DID HESHE ROLL WITH SOME OF HOW DID HESHE ROLL WITH SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN THE THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD AND NOW NO ONE KNOWS WHERE WORLD AND NOW NO ONE KNOWS WHERE SHE IS. SHE IS. HOW CAN SHE AFFORD LIVING OFF HOW CAN SHE AFFORD LIVING OFF THE GRID? THE GRID? I CAN’T. I CAN’T.>>GETTING INTO THE MAXWELL’S>>GETTING INTO THE MAXWELL’S FINANCES AND GETTING INTO THE FINANCES AND GETTING INTO THE EXACT QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED, EXACT QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED, HOW IS SHE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO HOW IS SHE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO THIS OR AFFORD TO LIVE IN THIS THIS OR AFFORD TO LIVE IN THIS WORLD. WORLD. WE KNOW FROM SOME OF THE WE KNOW FROM SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT JEFFERY EPSTEIN DOCUMENTS THAT JEFFERY EPSTEIN BOUGHT HER A HELICOPTER AND SHE BOUGHT HER A HELICOPTER AND SHE FLEW THAT HELICOPTER AND SO WHEN FLEW THAT HELICOPTER AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS. YOU LOOK AT THIS. YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, HOW DID SHE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN HOW DID SHE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THIS LIFESTYLE AND HOW MUCH OF THIS LIFESTYLE AND HOW MUCH OF THAT AND HOW MUCH OF THOSE MEANS THAT AND HOW MUCH OF THOSE MEANS CAME FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN AND CAME FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN AND HOW MUCH WAS MONEY SHE MAY HAVE HOW MUCH WAS MONEY SHE MAY HAVE HAD THAT COULD HAVE BEEN HAD THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SEPARATE FROM HER FATHER. SEPARATE FROM HER FATHER. THE WHOLE THING IS A MYSTERY. THE WHOLE THING IS A MYSTERY. IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE GETS IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE GETS INTO EPSTEIN’S WORLD. INTO EPSTEIN’S WORLD. IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE STAYED IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE STAYED THIS IN WORLD. THIS IN WORLD. SHE HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT OF SHE HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT OF CHELSEA CLINTON’S WEDDING. CHELSEA CLINTON’S WEDDING. HOW DID SHE STAY IN THIS MIX AND HOW DID SHE STAY IN THIS MIX AND TRAVEL IN THESE CIRCLES AND TRAVEL IN THESE CIRCLES AND WHERE DID THINGS GO NEXT FOR WHERE DID THINGS GO NEXT FOR HER? HER?>>NO AUTHORITIES KNOW AND THEY>>NO AUTHORITIES KNOW AND THEY HAVE NOT TOLD US? HAVE NOT TOLD US?>>IT IS NOT A QUESTION THEY>>IT IS NOT A QUESTION THEY WOULD DIVLULGE TO US. WOULD DIVLULGE TO US. NOBODY HAVE SEEN HER OR HEARD NOBODY HAVE SEEN HER OR HEARD FROM HER FOR A LONG TIME. FROM HER FOR A LONG TIME. WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HER WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HER ATTORNEYS NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. ATTORNEYS NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. WHEN WE DO THIS STORY AND WE WHEN WE DO THIS STORY AND WE TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY IN THEIR ACTIONS, IT IS THEIR IN THEIR ACTIONS, IT IS THEIR POLICIES HERE AND WE TRY TO POLICIES HERE AND WE TRY TO REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON AND REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON AND THAT PARTY BECAUSE THAT’S THE THAT PARTY BECAUSE THAT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. RIGHT THING TO DO. WE WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. WE WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. IF MAXWELL IS STILL SOLICITING, IF MAXWELL IS STILL SOLICITING, WE KNOW OUR NUMBERS AND WE HAVE WE KNOW OUR NUMBERS AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO REACH YOU AND WE BEEN TRYING TO REACH YOU AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THOSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU REFERENCED ON DOCUMENTS THAT YOU REFERENCED ON FRIDAY. FRIDAY.>>STEVE, NOW WHAT HE’S DEAD,>>STEVE, NOW WHAT HE’S DEAD, ALL THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING ALL THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO WHETHER IT IS GHISLAINE INTO WHETHER IT IS GHISLAINE MAXWELL’S MONEY OR TO DEUTSCHE MAXWELL’S MONEY OR TO DEUTSCHE BANK, WHERE DO THOSE BANK, WHERE DO THOSE INVESTIGATIONS GO? INVESTIGATIONS GO? DO THEY DIE AWAY WITH HIM? DO THEY DIE AWAY WITH HIM?>>THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT>>THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE. HERE. THERE IS MONEY MOVING LEFT AND THERE IS MONEY MOVING LEFT AND RIGHT AND TRANSACTIONS DATING RIGHT AND TRANSACTIONS DATING BACK MANY YEARS. BACK MANY YEARS. THESE ARE MANY MILLIONS OF THESE ARE MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MOVING AROUND. DOLLARS MOVING AROUND. THE BANKS ARE SERPTCERTAINLY LOO THE BANKS ARE SERPTCERTAINLY LOO AT THEIR OWN RECORDS AND THERE AT THEIR OWN RECORDS AND THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE AS IT IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE AS IT RELATE TO THE MONEY. RELATE TO THE MONEY.>>IT WAS JUST REPORTED MOMENTS>>IT WAS JUST REPORTED MOMENTS AGO. AGO. WEXNER WAS THE ONLY SOURCE FOR WEXNER WAS THE ONLY SOURCE FOR EPSTEIN TO GET AS WEALTHY AS HE EPSTEIN TO GET AS WEALTHY AS HE DID. DID. WEXNER GAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY WEXNER GAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY WHICH WAS UNHEARD OF OVER HIS WHICH WAS UNHEARD OF OVER HIS BILLION DOLLARS FORTUNE. BILLION DOLLARS FORTUNE. WEXNER IS NOW IN THE LAST FEW WEXNER IS NOW IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS WORKING WITH AUTHORITIES. MONTHS WORKING WITH AUTHORITIES. WHY DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WHY DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IF YOU ARE LES WEXNER AND IF YOU ARE LES WEXNER AND EPSTEIN STOLE TENS OF MILLIONS EPSTEIN STOLE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM YOU OVER A OF DOLLARS FROM YOU OVER A DECADE AGO, WHY WOULD YOU WORK DECADE AGO, WHY WOULD YOU WORK WITH AUTHORITIES THEN. WITH AUTHORITIES THEN.>>MR. WEXNER REVEALED HE’S BEEN>>MR. WEXNER REVEALED HE’S BEEN A VICTIM OF FINANCIAL. A VICTIM OF FINANCIAL. MR. EPSTEIN HAD THIS AFFILIATION MR. EPSTEIN HAD THIS AFFILIATION WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS. WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS. SO THAT RAISES QUESTION. SO THAT RAISES QUESTION. WHY AUTHORITIES WERE NOT CALLED WHY AUTHORITIES WERE NOT CALLED IN BACK IN 2007, AT THE TIME IT IN BACK IN 2007, AT THE TIME IT WAS DISCOVERED. WAS DISCOVERED.>>HAD WEXNER GIVEN AN ANSWER TO>>HAD WEXNER GIVEN AN ANSWER TO THAT? THAT?>>IF I WALK INTO VICTORIA’S>>IF I WALK INTO VICTORIA’S SECRET RIGHT NOW AND STOLE A SECRET RIGHT NOW AND STOLE A BRA, I WOULD GET ARRESTED. BRA, I WOULD GET ARRESTED.>>WHY WOULD WEXNER NOT CALL>>WHY WOULD WEXNER NOT CALL AUTHORITIES WHEN EPSTEIN STOLE 6 AUTHORITIES WHEN EPSTEIN STOLE 6 BILLION BUCKS FROM HIM AT LEAST. BILLION BUCKS FROM HIM AT LEAST.>>WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME>>WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY, ROUGHLY A AMOUNT OF MONEY, ROUGHLY A $100 MILLION RECRUITED BACK AS $100 MILLION RECRUITED BACK AS PART OF THIS BUT THERE HAS NOT PART OF THIS BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN A FULL AREA ON THAT ASPECT. BEEN A FULL AREA ON THAT ASPECT.>>WILL THERE BE A LEGAL REASON>>WILL THERE BE A LEGAL REASON TO GET THESE ANSWERS FROM THE TO GET THESE ANSWERS FROM THE LIKES OF WEXNER. LIKES OF WEXNER. OBVIOUSLY REPORTERS ARE OBVIOUSLY REPORTERS ARE INTERESTED. INTERESTED. LES WEXNER DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE LES WEXNER DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE OUR CALLS. OUR CALLS. ARE THERE GOING TO BE DEMANDS OR ARE THERE GOING TO BE DEMANDS OR INCREASES FROM THE GOVERNMENT INCREASES FROM THE GOVERNMENT NOW THAT EPSTEIN IS DEAD. NOW THAT EPSTEIN IS DEAD.>>ONE IS FROM A CIVIL>>ONE IS FROM A CIVIL STANDPOINT FOR THE VICTIMS WHEN STANDPOINT FOR THE VICTIMS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THEM GETTING WE TALK ABOUT THEM GETTING JUSTICE. JUSTICE. SOME OF THESE FIGURES MAY HAVE SOME OF THESE FIGURES MAY HAVE FUNDED EPSTEIN AND IF THAT MONEY FUNDED EPSTEIN AND IF THAT MONEY AND ANY MONEY THAT WENT TO AND ANY MONEY THAT WENT TO EPSTEIN TO FUND THIS CONSPIRACY EPSTEIN TO FUND THIS CONSPIRACY THAT IT WAS BEING CHARGED WITH, THAT IT WAS BEING CHARGED WITH, THAT’S SOMETHING THAT THAT’S SOMETHING THAT PROSECUTORS COULD BE INTEREST PROSECUTORS COULD BE INTEREST IN. IN. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY CAME IN AND KEEP AN EYE MONEY CAME IN AND KEEP AN EYE ON. ON. FOR THE LAST FOOIIVE YEARS, THEY FOR THE LAST FOOIIVE YEARS, THEY HAD BANKING RECORDS. HAD BANKING RECORDS. IF EARNINGS DISCLOSE THAT IN IF EARNINGS DISCLOSE THAT IN PUBLIC FILINGS. PUBLIC FILINGS.>>WOULD IT BE EASIER TO GET>>WOULD IT BE EASIER TO GET SOME OF THIS INFORMATION NOW SOME OF THIS INFORMATION NOW THAT HE’S DEAD? THAT HE’S DEAD?>>IF I AM EPSTEIN’S LAWYER, I>>IF I AM EPSTEIN’S LAWYER, I AM NOT GELTTTING PAID BY HIM AS AM NOT GELTTTING PAID BY HIM AS SATURDAYS. SATURDAYS.>>SOME OF THOSE ATTORNEYS MAY>>SOME OF THOSE ATTORNEYS MAY BE MANAGING HIS ESTATE. BE MANAGING HIS ESTATE. FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THE BORA FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THE BORA KIMABLES KIMABLES BILLABLES KEEP GOING BECAUSE BILLABLES KEEP GOING BECAUSE THEY ARE MANAGING ON STATE. THEY ARE MANAGING ON STATE. WE ARE REPORTING HERE — WE ARE REPORTING HERE –>>EPSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS?>>EPSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS?>>IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT THE>>IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT THE ESTATE WOULD SUE MCC. ESTATE WOULD SUE MCC. DANNY DANNY DANNY CEVALLOS BROUGHT UP A DANNY CEVALLOS BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT BEFORE. GREAT POINT BEFORE. IRREGULARITYIES OF THIS FACILITY IRREGULARITYIES OF THIS FACILITY>>HOLD ON, IRREGULARITIES THAT>>HOLD ON, IRREGULARITIES THAT ALLOWED HIM TO HAVE THE ALLOWED HIM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KILL HIMSELF. OPPORTUNITY TO KILL HIMSELF.>>THE POSSIBILITY DOES EXIST.>>THE POSSIBILITY DOES EXIST. IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. TO CONSIDER. I DON’T THINK THE IDEA THAT WE I DON’T THINK THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE THIS BUTTON UP BY THE END HAVE THIS BUTTON UP BY THE END OF THE WEEK AND HOW IT IS OF THE WEEK AND HOW IT IS EXECUTED IN THE STATE. EXECUTED IN THE STATE. IT IS COMPLICATED AND DEFINITELY IT IS COMPLICATED AND DEFINITELY GOING TO BE KEEP TRACK OF. GOING TO BE KEEP TRACK OF. THE CIVIL ATTORNEYS DEFINITELY THE CIVIL ATTORNEYS DEFINITELY HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS. HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS. THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO GET THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO GET FINANCIAL JUSTICE FROM JEFFERY FINANCIAL JUSTICE FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN.>>STEVE, IF I AM DEUTSCHE BANK>>STEVE, IF I AM DEUTSCHE BANK OR JP MORGAN AND IP AM WATCHING OR JP MORGAN AND IP AM WATCHING THE CLOCK, THIS GUY IS GOING TO THE CLOCK, THIS GUY IS GOING TO HAVE A TRIAL DATE A YEAR FROM HAVE A TRIAL DATE A YEAR FROM NOW, I AM GOING TO CALL TO BE NOW, I AM GOING TO CALL TO BE TESTIFY, ARE ALL THOSE PARTIES

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>>>THIS MORNING THERE ARE MORE>>>THIS MORNING THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. A WHOLE LOT MORE IN THE CASE A WHOLE LOT MORE IN THE CASE AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS APPARENT SUICIDE IN A MANHATTAN APPARENT SUICIDE IN A MANHATTAN JAIL OVER THE WEEKEND. JAIL OVER THE WEEKEND. HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THE REPORTER WHO BROKE QUESTIONS THE REPORTER WHO BROKE THIS STORY WIDE OPEN AND PUT THIS STORY WIDE OPEN AND PUT EPSTEIN BACK INTO THE EPSTEIN BACK INTO THE SPOTLIGHT, “MIAMI HERALD’S” SPOTLIGHT, “MIAMI HERALD’S” JULIE K. BROWN, FORMER FEDERAL JULIE K. BROWN, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR AND PROFESSOR AT PROSECUTOR AND PROFESSOR AT GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL PAUL GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL PAUL BUTLER AND CAMERON LINDSAY WHO BUTLER AND CAMERON LINDSAY WHO SERVED AS A FEDERAL PRISON SERVED AS A FEDERAL PRISON WARDEN AND SPECIFICALLY WORKED WARDEN AND SPECIFICALLY WORKED AT MULTIPLE FACILITIES INCLUDING AT MULTIPLE FACILITIES INCLUDING THE SISTER FACILITY OF WHERE THE SISTER FACILITY OF WHERE EPSTEIN WAS. EPSTEIN WAS. CAMERON, YOU KNOW I NEED ANSWERS CAMERON, YOU KNOW I NEED ANSWERS TO HOW THIS JAIL WORKS. TO HOW THIS JAIL WORKS. BUT JULIE, I HAVE TO GO TO YOU BUT JULIE, I HAVE TO GO TO YOU FIRST. FIRST. WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUT HIS DEATH? HEARD ABOUT HIS DEATH?>>I JUST COULDN’T BELIEVE IT.>>I JUST COULDN’T BELIEVE IT. I MEAN, I GOT A PHONE CALL AND I I MEAN, I GOT A PHONE CALL AND I SAID, NO. SAID, NO. YOU KNOW, THAT CAN’T BE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THAT CAN’T BE RIGHT. I THINK EVERYBODY HAD THE SAME I THINK EVERYBODY HAD THE SAME REACTION. REACTION. HOW COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? HOW COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? GIVEN THE FACT THAT HE ALLEGEDLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT HE ALLEGEDLY TRIED SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TWO TRIED SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THIS? WEEKS PRIOR TO THIS? EVERYBODY THOUGHT THE SAME EVERYBODY THOUGHT THE SAME THING. THING. WASN’T HE UNDER SUICIDE WATCH? WASN’T HE UNDER SUICIDE WATCH? HOW COULD SOMEBODY ON SUICIDE HOW COULD SOMEBODY ON SUICIDE WATCH COMMIT SUICIDE? WATCH COMMIT SUICIDE? WE NOW KNOW THAT HE SOMEHOW WE NOW KNOW THAT HE SOMEHOW MANIPULATED THINGS SO THAT HE MANIPULATED THINGS SO THAT HE GOT OFF OF SUICIDE WATCH SO EVEN GOT OFF OF SUICIDE WATCH SO EVEN SO — SO –>>DO YOU THINK HE MANIPULATED>>DO YOU THINK HE MANIPULATED THINGS TO GET OFF SUICIDE WATCH? THINGS TO GET OFF SUICIDE WATCH?>>YES, I DO.>>YES, I DO. I DO. I DO. BECAUSE OF HIS HISTORY. BECAUSE OF HIS HISTORY. REMEMBER THE WAY HE WAS REMEMBER THE WAY HE WAS INCARCERATED IN FLORIDA, I MEAN, INCARCERATED IN FLORIDA, I MEAN, HE HAD GUARDS WHO WERE LEAVING HE HAD GUARDS WHO WERE LEAVING HIS DOOR OPEN, GUARDS WHO WERE HIS DOOR OPEN, GUARDS WHO WERE BRINGING HIM STEW, YOU KNOW, BRINGING HIM STEW, YOU KNOW, GUARDS THAT WERE CUTTING HIS GUARDS THAT WERE CUTTING HIS HAIR. HAIR. HE WAS ALLOWED TO LEAVE EVERY HE WAS ALLOWED TO LEAVE EVERY DAY WITH HIS OWN VALET AND GO TO DAY WITH HIS OWN VALET AND GO TO AN OFFICE. AN OFFICE. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME YOU KNOW, IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME AT ALL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT ALL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMEHOW BEEN ABLE TO MANIPULATE SOMEHOW BEEN ABLE TO MANIPULATE THEM INTO GIVING HIM SOME TIME THEM INTO GIVING HIM SOME TIME TO HIMSELF. TO HIMSELF.>>I KNOW YOU’VE SPOKEN TO SOME>>I KNOW YOU’VE SPOKEN TO SOME OF THE VICTIMS SINCE SATURDAY. OF THE VICTIMS SINCE SATURDAY. HOW ARE THEY PROCESSING THIS? HOW ARE THEY PROCESSING THIS?>>I THINK THEY ARE ALL STILL IN>>I THINK THEY ARE ALL STILL IN SHOCK. SHOCK. YOU KNOW, IT’S A RANGE OF YOU KNOW, IT’S A RANGE OF EMOTIONS. EMOTIONS. IT’S SHOCK, IT’S GRIEF. IT’S SHOCK, IT’S GRIEF. IT’S ANGER REALLY. IT’S ANGER REALLY. THIS IS, REPRESENTS ANOTHER THIS IS, REPRESENTS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CRIMINAL EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, IN PARTICULAR TO JUSTICE SYSTEM, IN PARTICULAR TO WEALTHY MEN WHO SEEM TO BE ABLE WEALTHY MEN WHO SEEM TO BE ABLE TO GET A DIFFERENT KIND OF TO GET A DIFFERENT KIND OF JUSTICE THAN OTHER REGULAR JUSTICE THAN OTHER REGULAR PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY. PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY.>>HOW RELIEVED ARE THEY?>>HOW RELIEVED ARE THEY? WHERE DO ALL OF THESE WHERE DO ALL OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS OR EVEN THE INVESTIGATIONS OR EVEN THE REPORTING GO? REPORTING GO? LET’S SAY MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN LET’S SAY MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN HIS CIRCLE WERE NOT CRIMINALS HIS CIRCLE WERE NOT CRIMINALS AND SEX OFFENDERS LIKE HE WAS. AND SEX OFFENDERS LIKE HE WAS. BUT WHAT IF THEY WERE JUST BUT WHAT IF THEY WERE JUST ABSOLUTE VILE SLEAZE BAGS WHO ABSOLUTE VILE SLEAZE BAGS WHO DIDN’T WANT THE PILOTS TO SAY, DIDN’T WANT THE PILOTS TO SAY, HERE’S WHO’S BEEN ON THE PLANE HERE’S WHO’S BEEN ON THE PLANE TEN TIMES, 15 TIMES? TEN TIMES, 15 TIMES? ARE THOSE PEOPLE DANCING IN THE ARE THOSE PEOPLE DANCING IN THE STREETS? STREETS?>>NO.>>NO. I DON’T THINK SO AT ALL. I DON’T THINK SO AT ALL.>>WHY?>>WHY?>>I THINK THE U.S. PROSECUTOR>>I THINK THE U.S. PROSECUTOR IS GOING TO — THERE ARE A LOT IS GOING TO — THERE ARE A LOT OF DOCUMENTS OUT THERE. OF DOCUMENTS OUT THERE. WE DON’T KNOW COMPLETELY WHAT WE DON’T KNOW COMPLETELY WHAT THE U.S. ATTORNEY HAS BUT HE HAS THE U.S. ATTORNEY HAS BUT HE HAS A BIG PAPER TRAIL. A BIG PAPER TRAIL.>>WILL WE SEE THOSE DOCUMENTS>>WILL WE SEE THOSE DOCUMENTS NOW? NOW?>>I THINK IN TIME.>>I THINK IN TIME. YOU KNOW, WHEN HE BRINGS YOU KNOW, WHEN HE BRINGS INDICTMENTS AND THE CASE GOES TO INDICTMENTS AND THE CASE GOES TO TRIAL. TRIAL. HE WILL PROSECUTE OTHER PEOPLE HE WILL PROSECUTE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS I FEEL CERTAIN INVOLVED IN THIS I FEEL CERTAIN BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE OUT THERE, SOME OF IT, AND IT IS OUT THERE, SOME OF IT, AND IT IS VERY STRONG. VERY STRONG.>>PAUL, WITHIN MINUTES OF>>PAUL, WITHIN MINUTES OF LEARNING OF EPSTEIN’S DEATH THE LEARNING OF EPSTEIN’S DEATH THE INTERNET WAS FLOODED WITH INTERNET WAS FLOODED WITH CONSPIRACY THEORIES. CONSPIRACY THEORIES. THE PRESIDENT EVEN RETWEETING A THE PRESIDENT EVEN RETWEETING A CONSPIRACY THEORY TYING THE CONSPIRACY THEORY TYING THE CLINTONS TO THIS. CLINTONS TO THIS. IT IS NOT JUST — THERE ARE IT IS NOT JUST — THERE ARE CONSPIRACY THEORIES ALL OVER THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES ALL OVER THE PLACE. PLACE. HOW MUCH DOES THAT COMPLICATE HOW MUCH DOES THAT COMPLICATE THINGS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY THINGS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY GETTING JUSTICE HERE? GETTING JUSTICE HERE?>>HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW.>>HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW. WE KNOW MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WE KNOW MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WAS ENABLED BY THE FEDERAL WAS ENABLED BY THE FEDERAL PRISONS. PRISONS. HE WAS UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. HE WAS UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. SUICIDE WATCH. HE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOMEONE ELSE HE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOMEONE ELSE IN THE CELL WITH HIM. IN THE CELL WITH HIM. THAT PERSON WAS MYSTERIOUSLY THAT PERSON WAS MYSTERIOUSLY REMOVED ON FRIDAY. REMOVED ON FRIDAY. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKED HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKED EVERY 30 MINUTES AND APPARENTLY EVERY 30 MINUTES AND APPARENTLY WAS NOT CHECKED FOR HOURS. WAS NOT CHECKED FOR HOURS. SOMETHING BIZARRE WAS GOING ON. SOMETHING BIZARRE WAS GOING ON.>>OKAY.>>OKAY. BESIDES THE MOMENTARY OUTRAGE BESIDES THE MOMENTARY OUTRAGE THAT WE’RE EXPERIENCING TODAY, THAT WE’RE EXPERIENCING TODAY, WHAT — WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT — WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT? THAT?>>SO THE COCONSPIRATORS, MR.>>SO THE COCONSPIRATORS, MR. EPSTEIN’S VAST, CRIMINAL EPSTEIN’S VAST, CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY WAS ENABLED BY OTHER CONSPIRACY WAS ENABLED BY OTHER PEOPLE. PEOPLE. SOMEBODY HAD TO RECRUIT THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO RECRUIT THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. SOMEBODY HAD TO TRAIN THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO TRAIN THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. SOMEBODY HAD TO COERCE THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO COERCE THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. REMEMBER, THE BIZARRE TRAVESTY REMEMBER, THE BIZARRE TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE THAT THE FLORIDA PLEA OF JUSTICE THAT THE FLORIDA PLEA DEAL REPRESENTED SAID THAT THOSE DEAL REPRESENTED SAID THAT THOSE COCONSPIRATORS COULD NOT BE COCONSPIRATORS COULD NOT BE PROSECUTED. PROSECUTED. THANKFULLY THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THANKFULLY THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR NEW YORK, MR. BERMAN, DOES NOT NEW YORK, MR. BERMAN, DOES NOT AGREE WITH THAT. AGREE WITH THAT. HE SHOULD GO AFTER THOSE FOUR HE SHOULD GO AFTER THOSE FOUR COCONSPIRATORS VERY QUICKLY. COCONSPIRATORS VERY QUICKLY.>>HOW ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY?>>HOW ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY? DELAIN MAXWELL HAS BEEN WRITTEN DELAIN MAXWELL HAS BEEN WRITTEN UP OVER AND OVER AS THE UP OVER AND OVER AS THE COCONSPIRATOR, RECRUITER, OFTEN COCONSPIRATOR, RECRUITER, OFTEN THE TRAINER OF MANY OF THESE THE TRAINER OF MANY OF THESE YOUNG GIRLS. YOUNG GIRLS. IT IS REPORTED THEY DON’T EVEN IT IS REPORTED THEY DON’T EVEN KNOW WHERE SHE IS. KNOW WHERE SHE IS. THIS IS A WOMAN WHOSE FATHER THIS IS A WOMAN WHOSE FATHER DIED A SWINDLER, CON MAN, OWING DIED A SWINDLER, CON MAN, OWING OVER 43 BANKS $4 BILLION. OVER 43 BANKS $4 BILLION. A, HOW DID THIS WOMAN MAINTAIN A, HOW DID THIS WOMAN MAINTAIN HER SOCIALITE STATUS AND, B, WHY HER SOCIALITE STATUS AND, B, WHY IS IT THAT PEOPLE STILL DON’T IS IT THAT PEOPLE STILL DON’T KNOW WHERE SHE IS? KNOW WHERE SHE IS? I COULDN’T LIVE OFF THE GRID. I COULDN’T LIVE OFF THE GRID. I DON’T THINK YOU COULD EITHER. I DON’T THINK YOU COULD EITHER.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. I CAN’T REALLY ANSWER THAT I CAN’T REALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. QUESTION. I WOULD HOPE THEY ARE KEEPING I WOULD HOPE THEY ARE KEEPING TRACK OF HER AND THEY SHOULD TRACK OF HER AND THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING WHERE SHE IS HAVE BEEN LOOKING WHERE SHE IS EVERY SECOND. EVERY SECOND. SHE DOES HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP I SHE DOES HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP I UNDERSTAND WITH THE UK AND IS UNDERSTAND WITH THE UK AND IS ALSO ASSOCIATED IN RECENT YEARS ALSO ASSOCIATED IN RECENT YEARS WITH A LOT OF OCEANOGRAPHERS. WITH A LOT OF OCEANOGRAPHERS. SHE HAD A NONPROFIT SHE HAD A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. ORGANIZATION. SO THERE’S ALSO BEEN SOME SO THERE’S ALSO BEEN SOME SPECULATION THAT SHE COULD EVEN SPECULATION THAT SHE COULD EVEN BE ON A SUBMARINE SOMEWHERE IN BE ON A SUBMARINE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN. THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN. WHO KNOWS? WHO KNOWS? I MEAN, SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS I MEAN, SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS PRETTY SHARP THAT SHE WAS ABLE PRETTY SHARP THAT SHE WAS ABLE TO EVADE IT THIS LONG. TO EVADE IT THIS LONG.>>IF BILL BARR WANTS THEM TO>>IF BILL BARR WANTS THEM TO THE FBI CAN FIND THIS WOMAN. THE FBI CAN FIND THIS WOMAN. THE QUESTION IS DOES HE? THE QUESTION IS DOES HE?>>BILL BARR HAS SAID HE IS>>BILL BARR HAS SAID HE IS OUTRAGED. OUTRAGED. CAMERON, TAKE ME INSIDE OF THIS CAMERON, TAKE ME INSIDE OF THIS PRISON. PRISON. IS THERE ANY WAY SOMEONE OTHER IS THERE ANY WAY SOMEONE OTHER THAN EPSTEIN COULD HAVE THAN EPSTEIN COULD HAVE ORCHESTRATED HIS DEATH OR HAD A ORCHESTRATED HIS DEATH OR HAD A HAND IN IT? HAND IN IT? BECAUSE FOR THOSE OF US SITTING BECAUSE FOR THOSE OF US SITTING HERE, IT SIMPLY MAKES NO SENSE. HERE, IT SIMPLY MAKES NO SENSE.>>WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME>>WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS IS JUST A TERRIBLE JUST SAY THIS IS JUST A TERRIBLE EVENT THAT’S HAPPENED. EVENT THAT’S HAPPENED. I THINK IT IS A BLACK EYE ON OUR I THINK IT IS A BLACK EYE ON OUR ENTIRE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM ENTIRE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM FOR THE SAKE OF THE VICTIMS AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE VICTIMS AND UPHOLDING OUR SYSTEMS OF UPHOLDING OUR SYSTEMS OF JUSTICE. JUSTICE. THESE KINDS OF THINGS — THESE KINDS OF THINGS –>>WHAT IF A BLACK GUY IS THE>>WHAT IF A BLACK GUY IS THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS AND THOSE LESSER OF TWO EVILS AND THOSE ARE SAYING, YEP. ARE SAYING, YEP. THIS WILL BE HUMILIATING BUT AT THIS WILL BE HUMILIATING BUT AT LEAST WE’LL GET THIS GUY OUT OF LEAST WE’LL GET THIS GUY OUT OF THE PICTURE BECAUSE HE COULD THE PICTURE BECAUSE HE COULD HURT US WAY MORE THAN A BLACK HURT US WAY MORE THAN A BLACK EYE? EYE?>>THIS IS CERTAINLY GOING TO>>THIS IS CERTAINLY GOING TO FUEL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES. FUEL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES. VERY FRANKLY, IT’S GOING TO BE VERY FRANKLY, IT’S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS UNFOLDS. UNFOLDS. BUT I PREDICT WHAT WE’RE GOING BUT I PREDICT WHAT WE’RE GOING TO SEE IN THE END IS THAT TO SEE IN THE END IS THAT EPSTEIN WAS PROBABLY ABLE TO EPSTEIN WAS PROBABLY ABLE TO CHARM OR MANIPULATE A MENTAL CHARM OR MANIPULATE A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL INTO HEALTH PROFESSIONAL INTO BELIEVING THAT HE WAS NO LONGER BELIEVING THAT HE WAS NO LONGER A THREAT TO HIMSELF AND WAS A THREAT TO HIMSELF AND WAS THEREFORE PULLED OFF THE SUICIDE THEREFORE PULLED OFF THE SUICIDE WATCH. WATCH. PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EPSTEIN PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EPSTEIN SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN A CELL WITH SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN A CELL WITH ANOTHER INMATE TO HELP, PERHAPS, ANOTHER INMATE TO HELP, PERHAPS, KEEP HIM FROM KILLING HIMSELF. KEEP HIM FROM KILLING HIMSELF. I SEE THAT VERY DIFFERENTLY. I SEE THAT VERY DIFFERENTLY. FROM A CORRECTIONAL FROM A CORRECTIONAL ADMINISTRATOR PERSPECTIVE WHEN ADMINISTRATOR PERSPECTIVE WHEN YOU TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE YOU TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHO IS A JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHO IS A CONVICTED PEDOPHILE, WHO IS CONVICTED PEDOPHILE, WHO IS EXTREMELY HIGH PROFILE, A EXTREMELY HIGH PROFILE, A BILLIONAIRE CONNECTED TO BILLIONAIRE CONNECTED TO VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY, TO KILL VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY, TO KILL SOMEBODY, FOR AN INMATE TO KILL SOMEBODY, FOR AN INMATE TO KILL SOMEBODY LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN SOMEBODY LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN VERY FRANKLY WOULD BE A BADGE OF VERY FRANKLY WOULD BE A BADGE OF HONOR. HONOR. IN THE SUB CULTURE OF JAILS AND IN THE SUB CULTURE OF JAILS AND PRISONS THIS IS THE KIND OF GUY PRISONS THIS IS THE KIND OF GUY THAT IS GOING TO BE RIPE TO BE THAT IS GOING TO BE RIPE TO BE TAKEN OUT. TAKEN OUT. I BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN I BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SINGLE CELLED THE ENTIRE TIME. SINGLE CELLED THE ENTIRE TIME. ONCE HE HAD HIS SUICIDE ATTEMPT ONCE HE HAD HIS SUICIDE ATTEMPT IF THIS IS PROVEN, THEN FROM MY IF THIS IS PROVEN, THEN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE HE SHOULD HAVE PERSPECTIVE HE SHOULD HAVE REMAINED ON SUICIDE WATCH THE REMAINED ON SUICIDE WATCH THE ENTIRE TIME HE WAS IN THAT ENTIRE TIME HE WAS IN THAT FACILITY. FACILITY. HE WAS A PRETRIAL, PRESENTENCE HE WAS A PRETRIAL, PRESENTENCE FACILITY. FACILITY. HE THEREFORE WOULD NOT BE ON HE THEREFORE WOULD NOT BE ON SUICIDE WATCH INDEFINITELY. SUICIDE WATCH INDEFINITELY. AS SOON AS HIS CASE WERE TO BE AS SOON AS HIS CASE WERE TO BE ADJUDICATED THE BUREAU OF ADJUDICATED THE BUREAU OF PRISONS WOULD HAVE DESIGNATED PRISONS WOULD HAVE DESIGNATED HIM VERY QUICKLY TO THE HIM VERY QUICKLY TO THE INSTITUTION OF SERVICE OF INSTITUTION OF SERVICE OF SENTENCE MUCH LIKE THEY DID WITH SENTENCE MUCH LIKE THEY DID WITH GUZMAN, SHORTY GUZMAN. GUZMAN, SHORTY GUZMAN. AS SOON AS HIS CASE WAS AS SOON AS HIS CASE WAS ADJUDICATED OFF HE WENT TO THE ADJUDICATED OFF HE WENT TO THE ADX. ADX. THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I SEE THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I SEE WHERE THE AGENCY WENT WRONG VERY WHERE THE AGENCY WENT WRONG VERY FRANKLY. FRANKLY.>>JULIE, WHERE DOES YOUR>>JULIE, WHERE DOES YOUR REPORTING GO FROM HERE? REPORTING GO FROM HERE?>>I’M GOING TO KEEP FOLLOWING>>I’M GOING TO KEEP FOLLOWING THE TRAIL OF EVIDENCE THAT WE’VE THE TRAIL OF EVIDENCE THAT WE’VE DUG UP SO FAR WITH THESE DUG UP SO FAR WITH THESE DOCUMENTS THAT CAME OUT THE DOCUMENTS THAT CAME OUT THE OTHER DAY. OTHER DAY. THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, A LOT OF THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, A LOT OF THREADS TO FOLLOW. THREADS TO FOLLOW. THERE ARE NEW NAMES AS WE KNOW THERE ARE NEW NAMES AS WE KNOW OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLEGED TO OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE WAY OR HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER SO WE’LL START LOOKING I ANOTHER SO WE’LL START LOOKING I THINK CLOSER AT ALL OF THOSE THINK CLOSER AT ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS AND ALSO I THINK DOCUMENTS AND ALSO I THINK EVERYBODY IS HOPING THAT PERHAPS EVERYBODY IS HOPING THAT PERHAPS MORE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THIS MORE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THIS WILL COME FORWARD, MEANING — WILL COME FORWARD, MEANING –>>YOU THINK THEY WILL?>>YOU THINK THEY WILL?>>I DON’T KNOW.>>I DON’T KNOW. YOU KNOW, FIRST I THOUGHT THEY YOU KNOW, FIRST I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH HIM WOULD BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH HIM BEING GONE, MOST OF THEM TOLD ME BEING GONE, MOST OF THEM TOLD ME THEY DIDN’T WANT TO SPEAK THEY DIDN’T WANT TO SPEAK BECAUSE EITHER THEY HAD A BECAUSE EITHER THEY HAD A NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT WITH HIM NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT WITH HIM IF THEY WORKED FOR HIM OR THEY IF THEY WORKED FOR HIM OR THEY WERE AFRAID. WERE AFRAID. NOW WITH HIM GONE I THOUGHT, NOW WITH HIM GONE I THOUGHT, WELL MAYBE NOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WELL MAYBE NOW, YOU KNOW, HOW EFFECTIVE IS THE NONDISCLOSURE EFFECTIVE IS THE NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT GOING TO REALLY BE? AGREEMENT GOING TO REALLY BE? NOW WITH ALL THESE CONSPIRACY NOW WITH ALL THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES FLOATING OUT THERE, THEORIES FLOATING OUT THERE, THEY COULD VERY WELL BE AFRAID