Trump’s CREEPY Epstein Friendship Exposed


>>The ongoing and developing Epstein legal
drama has dominated the news this week. And unfortunately, in terms of what’s going
to happen to him, we don’t have much new there. But people are re-digging into some of the
fairly disgusting details of what he’s been up to the past few decades. And thanks to the case once again being in
the national spotlight, we also have a new accuser, which we’re gonna get to in just
a little bit. First, we do have all of his high profile
friends fleeing for the hills, effectively, saying they didn’t know him as well as they’re
rumored to have. They didn’t necessarily like him if they did
know him. And Donald Trump is certainly one of the most
high profile examples of that, because, as you’ve probably heard this quote before, he
was quoted in 2002, saying in New York magazine, I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy, he’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women
as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. It’s just creepy, in so many different ways. And so, because of that, and because their
picture’s been taken together, and Epstein claims that he was responsible for Trump getting
together with Melania in the first place, both of their numbers where in his black book
when that was revealed a few years back. People want more details and we’re getting
them and they’re pretty disgusting, too. So there’s a new reporting from New York Times
talking about a party that Donald Trump went to with Epstein. And so Trump in 1992 directed a Florida businessman,
George Houraney who would later accused Trump of sexually harassing his former girlfriend
and business partner, Jill hearth, it’s a separate story, to organize the members only
calendar girl competition in Mar-a-Lago. After her and he arranged to have some contestants
fly in, he told The Times in an interview Monday, he discovered that there would be
only two attendees at the very first party. I said, who’s coming tonight? I have 28 girls coming. It was him and Epstein, Houraney recalled. I said, Donald, this is supposed to be a party
with VIPs. You’re telling me it’s you and Epstein? And indeed it was. So they had a big group of more than a couple
of dozen girls, and just those two having fun times and appreciating beautiful women,
some on the young side perhaps.>>Yeah, so listen.>>That’s all the details we have.>>Yeah, yeah, yeah.>>One added wrinkle before you jump in. Well, Trump is now saying, I didn’t approve,
not a big fan of him. At the time, said he was terrific guy. Horaney, at least now, is saying even back
then, Horaney was worried about Epstein. He said he pretty much had to ban Jeff from
my events, Trump didn’t care about that.>>So that goes to the same thing that the
Donald Trump quote goes to. They knew back then Donald Trump doesn’t go
around saying, man, Jeff Epstein likes girls young. When, for no reason, remember Donald Trump
liked girls young. And I’m not saying that to put him in the
same boat as Epstein, I’m saying that like, and I have evidence of that. Remember there’s the story of how he used
to surprise the younger pageant girls, Donald Trump, and would walk into their dressing
room when they were half naked. And he has, on a number of occasions, and
some of it is on video, talked to really young girls and said, you’re going to be a beauty
when you grow up, etc. If Donald Trump is saying that Epstein, who
he knew really well back then likes girls really young, man, that means he likes them
really, really young, and they all knew. Trump once joked around about how he went
to a pool party at Epstein’s place, or he went to Epstein’s place and there was a bunch
of kids in the pool. And he’s like, what’d you get like something
like you have that.>>So this is coming, unfortunately from a
book by Roger stone, but he said that Trump visited Epstein at his Palm Beach home and
later seen the joke about the scene of underage girls you witness they’re saying, the swimming
pool was filled with beautiful young girls. Trump apparently told the Mar-a-Lago member,
how nice I thought he let the neighborhood kids use his pool.>>Now remember, Roger Stone is not saying
this as a criticism of Trump, who he is great friends with, or necessarily even of Epstein. He’s just saying, hey, these are my buddies. And Trump said this about another friend of
his. He left the neighborhood kids use his school. Now they know why he liked the neighborhood
kids use the pool. So he could molest them. They all knew, and so and people who are decent
back then would ban him from events cuz he was a predator. Trump on the other hand thought, that’s my
kind of guy, hung out with him, went to parties with him, went to invited 28 calendar girls
to party with him. These guys are all scum.>>Yeah and look, I was very clear this morning
when we talked about this in the damage report that all this looks really bad but we don’t
know anything for sure. And in all likelihood, I mean, we know how
difficult it’s been how many attempts it’s taken for Epstein to have any real legal consequences. Donald Trump is much more powerful than Epstein. The idea that if anything happened that we
don’t know that it did that there would ever be any consequences for Donald Trump. I think it’s pretty hard to imagine. He’s effect I mean, how many times you’ve
been credibly accused of doing some sexual assault, rape those sorts of things already
and it’s meant nothing. The idea that a few more that would tip the
scales, I kind of doubt it at this point.>>Now I’m-
>>And we don’t know that anything happened.>>No, look, look, look. I’m so tired of the rich having different
rules. I can’t stand it anymore. This story is making me snap on that. I mean look, we all hated it from day one. We covered the affluenza stories, the Stanford
kid who did the rape and got away with it. The original affluenza story of I think four
people died and they’re like, but he’s rich. It’s okay, etc. Who when he was drunk driving. In this case, Epstein, they let him out for
16 hours in the day when he was supposed to be in jail. He had his own private suite inside the jail
when he went to go sleep there for eight hours. It was a goddamn hotel. They gave him every advantage. Now, if you’re a bleeding heart Liberal and
you say, well look, I don’t know that we need to take the guy and break his back and put
him in and have the other guys to terrible things to him in prison, etc. But they do that to poor people all the time. They do it to middle class people all the
time. And if you’re a middle class person was caught
molesting dozens of girls, you think he’s gonna have his private suite where he only
sleeps there and in his out for 16 hours a day six out of the seven days? Do you think any of that is going to happen? Of course, not. And I’m so, I can’t stand it anymore. Now when you turn to Trump and Clinton. Look, John is right. We have no idea if Trump or Clinton did anything
with underage girls. We don’t know that. We do know, at least Trump is on the record
as having known that Epstein likes young girls. By young, Trump clearly means under aged. So if you say no, it’s not clear, maybe he
was just talking about 18 and 19-year-olds. Okay, you could believe any fantasy you like. But look at the quarter that, the neighborhood
kids in the pool, they knew, they knew, they knew. If you knew and protected a child molester
in your neighborhood that had molested dozes of kids, you’d be in the world of trouble. Prosecutors would be all over you where you
an accessory. What did you know, when did you know it? What crimes did you cover up? But hey, nope, Trump, Clinton, rich and powerful,
so you think there’s going to be justice? It took decades, to now even think about justice
for Epstein, who’s the guy who we know did it in the first place. Remember, he plead guilty last time around,
for the nonsense sentence, but he did plead guilty. And by the way it was for what they said solicitation
of prostitutes. So the girls were 14 years old. They were not prostitutes.>>They can’t be prostitutes.>>By legal definition, they can’t be prostitutes,
but by the way, most of them were not engaged in that. He co-opted them into it. It’s, just give me a massage. I’ll just be half naked, I’ll just be naked. And he’s a predator and they called those
14-year-old girls prostitute, just so they can let Epstein off easier. And now, since some of the most powerful people
in the country were Epstein’s buddies, there’s not gonna be any justice for them. Nobody is gonna be talking about accessories. Nobody is gonna be talking about, hey, did
they know about Epstein’s crimes? Who’s gonna hold him accountable, Nancy Pelosi?>>Well, no-
>>Don’t be ridiculous!>>I mean, William Barr said that he’s not
gonna recuse himself, which means he wants to be the sheriff on the beat. He wants to make sure there’s consequences-
>>That’s why he’s recusing himself.>>And so, if you’re wondering about, why
would William Barr, the Attorney General, I get why he wants to protect Trump. That’s the whole point of why he was put into
office. But why does he care about protecting Epstein
or Acosta. One, it comes back to Trump, so there’s William
Barr, no, no, no, no, no. You know what, Trump did build a wall. He built a wall around himself with William
Barr by appointing him Attorney General. So Barr is like on the scene, whatever you
do you’re not allowed to touch Donald Trump, okay? So you will not be going after him. But on top of that, you know that Acosta,
before he was a prosecutor on the Epstein case, worked at Kirkland Ellis. The recently in bar, one of the reasons that
he was gonna recuse himself from the entire case but now is only recuse himself from part
of the case, was because bar also worked at Kirkland Ellis and wait for it. You wanna know who represented Epstein? Cohor and Alice. So it’s a nice little club they got going
there. The problem isn’t pizza parlors. The problem is that the rich and powerful
have an army of lawyers. They’re all connected. They’re all in the same goddamn club. So the only punishment that ever comes is
that the average American and they escaped every time and I can’t stand it anymore.

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ALTHOUGH SHE WAS NOT ON HIS PAYROLL, HE HELPED ORGANIZING PAYROLL, HE HELPED ORGANIZING HIS LIFE AND CALLING HER “HIS HIS LIFE AND CALLING HER “HIS BEST FRIEND.” BEST FRIEND.”>>LET’S BRING IN TOM WINTER AND>>LET’S BRING IN TOM WINTER AND OUR STEVE EATON. OUR STEVE EATON. TOM, TO YOU FIRST. TOM, TO YOU FIRST. REVELATIONS IN EACH COURT REVELATIONS IN EACH COURT DOCUMENTS OF MAXWELL, WHAT DID DOCUMENTS OF MAXWELL, WHAT DID THEY CONFIRM THAT WE DID NOT THEY CONFIRM THAT WE DID NOT KNOW ALREADY? KNOW ALREADY? THIS IS THE DAUGHTER O F A THIS IS THE DAUGHTER O F A SWINDLER AND A CON MAN WHEN HER SWINDLER AND A CON MAN WHEN HER FATHER ROBERT MAXWELL DIED FATHER ROBERT MAXWELL DIED MYSTERIOUSLY MYSTERIOUSLY MYSTERIOUSLY FOUND NAKED ALL OF MYSTERIOUSLY FOUND NAKED ALL OF HIS YACHT. HIS YACHT. HE OWNED OVER 40 BANKS. HE OWNED OVER 40 BANKS. $4 BILLION. $4 BILLION. HOW DID HESHE ROLL WITH SOME OF HOW DID HESHE ROLL WITH SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN THE THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD AND NOW NO ONE KNOWS WHERE WORLD AND NOW NO ONE KNOWS WHERE SHE IS. SHE IS. HOW CAN SHE AFFORD LIVING OFF HOW CAN SHE AFFORD LIVING OFF THE GRID? THE GRID? I CAN’T. I CAN’T.>>GETTING INTO THE MAXWELL’S>>GETTING INTO THE MAXWELL’S FINANCES AND GETTING INTO THE FINANCES AND GETTING INTO THE EXACT QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED, EXACT QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED, HOW IS SHE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO HOW IS SHE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO THIS OR AFFORD TO LIVE IN THIS THIS OR AFFORD TO LIVE IN THIS WORLD. WORLD. WE KNOW FROM SOME OF THE WE KNOW FROM SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT JEFFERY EPSTEIN DOCUMENTS THAT JEFFERY EPSTEIN BOUGHT HER A HELICOPTER AND SHE BOUGHT HER A HELICOPTER AND SHE FLEW THAT HELICOPTER AND SO WHEN FLEW THAT HELICOPTER AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS. YOU LOOK AT THIS. YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, HOW DID SHE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN HOW DID SHE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THIS LIFESTYLE AND HOW MUCH OF THIS LIFESTYLE AND HOW MUCH OF THAT AND HOW MUCH OF THOSE MEANS THAT AND HOW MUCH OF THOSE MEANS CAME FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN AND CAME FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN AND HOW MUCH WAS MONEY SHE MAY HAVE HOW MUCH WAS MONEY SHE MAY HAVE HAD THAT COULD HAVE BEEN HAD THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SEPARATE FROM HER FATHER. SEPARATE FROM HER FATHER. THE WHOLE THING IS A MYSTERY. THE WHOLE THING IS A MYSTERY. IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE GETS IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE GETS INTO EPSTEIN’S WORLD. INTO EPSTEIN’S WORLD. IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE STAYED IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE STAYED THIS IN WORLD. THIS IN WORLD. SHE HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT OF SHE HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT OF CHELSEA CLINTON’S WEDDING. CHELSEA CLINTON’S WEDDING. HOW DID SHE STAY IN THIS MIX AND HOW DID SHE STAY IN THIS MIX AND TRAVEL IN THESE CIRCLES AND TRAVEL IN THESE CIRCLES AND WHERE DID THINGS GO NEXT FOR WHERE DID THINGS GO NEXT FOR HER? HER?>>NO AUTHORITIES KNOW AND THEY>>NO AUTHORITIES KNOW AND THEY HAVE NOT TOLD US? HAVE NOT TOLD US?>>IT IS NOT A QUESTION THEY>>IT IS NOT A QUESTION THEY WOULD DIVLULGE TO US. WOULD DIVLULGE TO US. NOBODY HAVE SEEN HER OR HEARD NOBODY HAVE SEEN HER OR HEARD FROM HER FOR A LONG TIME. FROM HER FOR A LONG TIME. WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HER WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HER ATTORNEYS NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. ATTORNEYS NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. WHEN WE DO THIS STORY AND WE WHEN WE DO THIS STORY AND WE TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY IN THEIR ACTIONS, IT IS THEIR IN THEIR ACTIONS, IT IS THEIR POLICIES HERE AND WE TRY TO POLICIES HERE AND WE TRY TO REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON AND REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON AND THAT PARTY BECAUSE THAT’S THE THAT PARTY BECAUSE THAT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. RIGHT THING TO DO. WE WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. WE WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. IF MAXWELL IS STILL SOLICITING, IF MAXWELL IS STILL SOLICITING, WE KNOW OUR NUMBERS AND WE HAVE WE KNOW OUR NUMBERS AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO REACH YOU AND WE BEEN TRYING TO REACH YOU AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THOSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU REFERENCED ON DOCUMENTS THAT YOU REFERENCED ON FRIDAY. FRIDAY.>>STEVE, NOW WHAT HE’S DEAD,>>STEVE, NOW WHAT HE’S DEAD, ALL THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING ALL THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO WHETHER IT IS GHISLAINE INTO WHETHER IT IS GHISLAINE MAXWELL’S MONEY OR TO DEUTSCHE MAXWELL’S MONEY OR TO DEUTSCHE BANK, WHERE DO THOSE BANK, WHERE DO THOSE INVESTIGATIONS GO? INVESTIGATIONS GO? DO THEY DIE AWAY WITH HIM? DO THEY DIE AWAY WITH HIM?>>THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT>>THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE. HERE. THERE IS MONEY MOVING LEFT AND THERE IS MONEY MOVING LEFT AND RIGHT AND TRANSACTIONS DATING RIGHT AND TRANSACTIONS DATING BACK MANY YEARS. BACK MANY YEARS. THESE ARE MANY MILLIONS OF THESE ARE MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MOVING AROUND. DOLLARS MOVING AROUND. THE BANKS ARE SERPTCERTAINLY LOO THE BANKS ARE SERPTCERTAINLY LOO AT THEIR OWN RECORDS AND THERE AT THEIR OWN RECORDS AND THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE AS IT IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE AS IT RELATE TO THE MONEY. RELATE TO THE MONEY.>>IT WAS JUST REPORTED MOMENTS>>IT WAS JUST REPORTED MOMENTS AGO. AGO. WEXNER WAS THE ONLY SOURCE FOR WEXNER WAS THE ONLY SOURCE FOR EPSTEIN TO GET AS WEALTHY AS HE EPSTEIN TO GET AS WEALTHY AS HE DID. DID. WEXNER GAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY WEXNER GAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY WHICH WAS UNHEARD OF OVER HIS WHICH WAS UNHEARD OF OVER HIS BILLION DOLLARS FORTUNE. BILLION DOLLARS FORTUNE. WEXNER IS NOW IN THE LAST FEW WEXNER IS NOW IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS WORKING WITH AUTHORITIES. MONTHS WORKING WITH AUTHORITIES. WHY DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WHY DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IF YOU ARE LES WEXNER AND IF YOU ARE LES WEXNER AND EPSTEIN STOLE TENS OF MILLIONS EPSTEIN STOLE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM YOU OVER A OF DOLLARS FROM YOU OVER A DECADE AGO, WHY WOULD YOU WORK DECADE AGO, WHY WOULD YOU WORK WITH AUTHORITIES THEN. WITH AUTHORITIES THEN.>>MR. WEXNER REVEALED HE’S BEEN>>MR. WEXNER REVEALED HE’S BEEN A VICTIM OF FINANCIAL. A VICTIM OF FINANCIAL. MR. EPSTEIN HAD THIS AFFILIATION MR. EPSTEIN HAD THIS AFFILIATION WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS. WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS. SO THAT RAISES QUESTION. SO THAT RAISES QUESTION. WHY AUTHORITIES WERE NOT CALLED WHY AUTHORITIES WERE NOT CALLED IN BACK IN 2007, AT THE TIME IT IN BACK IN 2007, AT THE TIME IT WAS DISCOVERED. WAS DISCOVERED.>>HAD WEXNER GIVEN AN ANSWER TO>>HAD WEXNER GIVEN AN ANSWER TO THAT? THAT?>>IF I WALK INTO VICTORIA’S>>IF I WALK INTO VICTORIA’S SECRET RIGHT NOW AND STOLE A SECRET RIGHT NOW AND STOLE A BRA, I WOULD GET ARRESTED. BRA, I WOULD GET ARRESTED.>>WHY WOULD WEXNER NOT CALL>>WHY WOULD WEXNER NOT CALL AUTHORITIES WHEN EPSTEIN STOLE 6 AUTHORITIES WHEN EPSTEIN STOLE 6 BILLION BUCKS FROM HIM AT LEAST. BILLION BUCKS FROM HIM AT LEAST.>>WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME>>WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY, ROUGHLY A AMOUNT OF MONEY, ROUGHLY A $100 MILLION RECRUITED BACK AS $100 MILLION RECRUITED BACK AS PART OF THIS BUT THERE HAS NOT PART OF THIS BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN A FULL AREA ON THAT ASPECT. BEEN A FULL AREA ON THAT ASPECT.>>WILL THERE BE A LEGAL REASON>>WILL THERE BE A LEGAL REASON TO GET THESE ANSWERS FROM THE TO GET THESE ANSWERS FROM THE LIKES OF WEXNER. LIKES OF WEXNER. OBVIOUSLY REPORTERS ARE OBVIOUSLY REPORTERS ARE INTERESTED. INTERESTED. LES WEXNER DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE LES WEXNER DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE OUR CALLS. OUR CALLS. ARE THERE GOING TO BE DEMANDS OR ARE THERE GOING TO BE DEMANDS OR INCREASES FROM THE GOVERNMENT INCREASES FROM THE GOVERNMENT NOW THAT EPSTEIN IS DEAD. NOW THAT EPSTEIN IS DEAD.>>ONE IS FROM A CIVIL>>ONE IS FROM A CIVIL STANDPOINT FOR THE VICTIMS WHEN STANDPOINT FOR THE VICTIMS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THEM GETTING WE TALK ABOUT THEM GETTING JUSTICE. JUSTICE. SOME OF THESE FIGURES MAY HAVE SOME OF THESE FIGURES MAY HAVE FUNDED EPSTEIN AND IF THAT MONEY FUNDED EPSTEIN AND IF THAT MONEY AND ANY MONEY THAT WENT TO AND ANY MONEY THAT WENT TO EPSTEIN TO FUND THIS CONSPIRACY EPSTEIN TO FUND THIS CONSPIRACY THAT IT WAS BEING CHARGED WITH, THAT IT WAS BEING CHARGED WITH, THAT’S SOMETHING THAT THAT’S SOMETHING THAT PROSECUTORS COULD BE INTEREST PROSECUTORS COULD BE INTEREST IN. IN. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY CAME IN AND KEEP AN EYE MONEY CAME IN AND KEEP AN EYE ON. ON. FOR THE LAST FOOIIVE YEARS, THEY FOR THE LAST FOOIIVE YEARS, THEY HAD BANKING RECORDS. HAD BANKING RECORDS. IF EARNINGS DISCLOSE THAT IN IF EARNINGS DISCLOSE THAT IN PUBLIC FILINGS. PUBLIC FILINGS.>>WOULD IT BE EASIER TO GET>>WOULD IT BE EASIER TO GET SOME OF THIS INFORMATION NOW SOME OF THIS INFORMATION NOW THAT HE’S DEAD? THAT HE’S DEAD?>>IF I AM EPSTEIN’S LAWYER, I>>IF I AM EPSTEIN’S LAWYER, I AM NOT GELTTTING PAID BY HIM AS AM NOT GELTTTING PAID BY HIM AS SATURDAYS. SATURDAYS.>>SOME OF THOSE ATTORNEYS MAY>>SOME OF THOSE ATTORNEYS MAY BE MANAGING HIS ESTATE. BE MANAGING HIS ESTATE. FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THE BORA FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THE BORA KIMABLES KIMABLES BILLABLES KEEP GOING BECAUSE BILLABLES KEEP GOING BECAUSE THEY ARE MANAGING ON STATE. THEY ARE MANAGING ON STATE. WE ARE REPORTING HERE — WE ARE REPORTING HERE –>>EPSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS?>>EPSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS?>>IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT THE>>IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT THE ESTATE WOULD SUE MCC. ESTATE WOULD SUE MCC. DANNY DANNY DANNY CEVALLOS BROUGHT UP A DANNY CEVALLOS BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT BEFORE. GREAT POINT BEFORE. IRREGULARITYIES OF THIS FACILITY IRREGULARITYIES OF THIS FACILITY>>HOLD ON, IRREGULARITIES THAT>>HOLD ON, IRREGULARITIES THAT ALLOWED HIM TO HAVE THE ALLOWED HIM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KILL HIMSELF. OPPORTUNITY TO KILL HIMSELF.>>THE POSSIBILITY DOES EXIST.>>THE POSSIBILITY DOES EXIST. IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. TO CONSIDER. I DON’T THINK THE IDEA THAT WE I DON’T THINK THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE THIS BUTTON UP BY THE END HAVE THIS BUTTON UP BY THE END OF THE WEEK AND HOW IT IS OF THE WEEK AND HOW IT IS EXECUTED IN THE STATE. EXECUTED IN THE STATE. IT IS COMPLICATED AND DEFINITELY IT IS COMPLICATED AND DEFINITELY GOING TO BE KEEP TRACK OF. GOING TO BE KEEP TRACK OF. THE CIVIL ATTORNEYS DEFINITELY THE CIVIL ATTORNEYS DEFINITELY HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS. HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS. THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO GET THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO GET FINANCIAL JUSTICE FROM JEFFERY FINANCIAL JUSTICE FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN.>>STEVE, IF I AM DEUTSCHE BANK>>STEVE, IF I AM DEUTSCHE BANK OR JP MORGAN AND IP AM WATCHING OR JP MORGAN AND IP AM WATCHING THE CLOCK, THIS GUY IS GOING TO THE CLOCK, THIS GUY IS GOING TO HAVE A TRIAL DATE A YEAR FROM HAVE A TRIAL DATE A YEAR FROM NOW, I AM GOING TO CALL TO BE NOW, I AM GOING TO CALL TO BE TESTIFY, ARE ALL THOSE PARTIES

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>>>THIS MORNING A SERIES OF NEW>>>THIS MORNING A SERIES OF NEW REPORTS HAVE FOCUSED ON REPORTS HAVE FOCUSED ON ANSWERING ONE LINGERING QUESTION ANSWERING ONE LINGERING QUESTION IN THE CASE AGAINST JEFFREY IN THE CASE AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN. THE FINANCEER WHO PLED NOT THE FINANCEER WHO PLED NOT GUILTY TO CHARGES OF SEX GUILTY TO CHARGES OF SEX TRAFFICKING OF TEENAGE GIRLS. TRAFFICKING OF TEENAGE GIRLS. HOW ON EARTH DID EPSTEIN MAKE HOW ON EARTH DID EPSTEIN MAKE ALL OF HIS MONEY? ALL OF HIS MONEY? ACCORDING TO THE “NEW YORK ACCORDING TO THE “NEW YORK TIMES” HE HAD DEEP TIES TO SOME TIMES” HE HAD DEEP TIES TO SOME OF WALL STREET’S TOP FIGURES. OF WALL STREET’S TOP FIGURES. “THE TIMES” DETAILS EPSTEIN, “THE TIMES” DETAILS EPSTEIN, QUOTE, LIKED TO PORTRAY HIMSELF QUOTE, LIKED TO PORTRAY HIMSELF AS A FINANCIAL WIZARD, SOMEONE AS A FINANCIAL WIZARD, SOMEONE WHOSE BUSINESS AND INVESTING WHOSE BUSINESS AND INVESTING ACUMEN MADE HIM INDISPENSABLE TO ACUMEN MADE HIM INDISPENSABLE TO CORPORATE EXECUTIVES AND OTHER CORPORATE EXECUTIVES AND OTHER LEADERS BUT THERE IS VERY LITTLE LEADERS BUT THERE IS VERY LITTLE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT NOTION. EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT NOTION. MR. EPSTEIN NONETHELESS MANAGED MR. EPSTEIN NONETHELESS MANAGED TO AFFIX HIMSELF TO A HANDFUL OF TO AFFIX HIMSELF TO A HANDFUL OF PROMINENT WALL STREET VETERANS. PROMINENT WALL STREET VETERANS. MEANWHILE AN ARTICLE IN “VANITY MEANWHILE AN ARTICLE IN “VANITY FAIR” DIVES INTO EPSTEIN’S FAIR” DIVES INTO EPSTEIN’S RELATIONSHIP WITH BILLIONAIRE RELATIONSHIP WITH BILLIONAIRE HEDGE FUND MANAGER GLEN DUBIN HEDGE FUND MANAGER GLEN DUBIN AND HOW EPSTEIN TURNED PERSONAL AND HOW EPSTEIN TURNED PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS INTO MULTIMILLION RELATIONSHIPS INTO MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DEALS FOR HIMSELF. DOLLAR DEALS FOR HIMSELF. WHY EXACTLY THESE WALL STREET WHY EXACTLY THESE WALL STREET VETERANS STAYED BY HIS SIDE FOR VETERANS STAYED BY HIS SIDE FOR SO MANY YEARS. SO MANY YEARS. JOINING ME NOW BILL COEN WHO JOINING ME NOW BILL COEN WHO ALSO DUG INTO EPSTEIN’S WALL ALSO DUG INTO EPSTEIN’S WALL STREET NETWORK. STREET NETWORK. IN HIS MUST READ “VANITY FAIR” IN HIS MUST READ “VANITY FAIR” PIECE AND THE EDITOR BEHIND THE PIECE AND THE EDITOR BEHIND THE STUNNING “NEW YORK TIMES” STUNNING “NEW YORK TIMES” REPORT. REPORT. KATE, WALK US THROUGH THE KATE, WALK US THROUGH THE NETWORK THAT EPSTEIN BUILT. NETWORK THAT EPSTEIN BUILT. THE FACT THAT THE HEAD OF THE FACT THAT THE HEAD OF JPMORGAN’S PRIVATE BANK VISITED JPMORGAN’S PRIVATE BANK VISITED EPSTEIN NOT IN HIS MANSION, NOT EPSTEIN NOT IN HIS MANSION, NOT AT HIS ISLAND, BUT IN HIS WORK AT HIS ISLAND, BUT IN HIS WORK RELEASE PRISON OFFICE. RELEASE PRISON OFFICE.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT. IT’S PRETTY PHENOMENAL. IT’S PRETTY PHENOMENAL. LET’S TALK ABOUT STALEY FIRST. LET’S TALK ABOUT STALEY FIRST. AT THE TIME A SENIOR EXECUTIVE AT THE TIME A SENIOR EXECUTIVE AT JPMORGAN RUNNING THE ASSET AT JPMORGAN RUNNING THE ASSET MANAGEMENT DIVISION. MANAGEMENT DIVISION. WHEN HE STARTED IN THE JPMORGAN WHEN HE STARTED IN THE JPMORGAN ROLE HE WAS TOLD HE NEEDED TO ROLE HE WAS TOLD HE NEEDED TO KNOW JEFFREY EPSTEIN BECAUSE HE KNOW JEFFREY EPSTEIN BECAUSE HE WAS A RAINMAKER OF SORTS WHO WAS A RAINMAKER OF SORTS WHO BROUGHT CLIENTS TO JPMORGAN AND BROUGHT CLIENTS TO JPMORGAN AND WAS A CLIENT HIMSELF IN THE WAS A CLIENT HIMSELF IN THE PRIVATE BANK. PRIVATE BANK. SO HE DID MEET HIM. SO HE DID MEET HIM. EPSTEIN APPARENTLY DID STEER EPSTEIN APPARENTLY DID STEER CLIENTS TO STALEY AND JPMORGAN. CLIENTS TO STALEY AND JPMORGAN. DOZENS OF THEM. DOZENS OF THEM.>>BEING A CONNECTOR ISN’T THAT>>BEING A CONNECTOR ISN’T THAT ODD. ODD. YOU GET PAID TO BE THE MIDDLE YOU GET PAID TO BE THE MIDDLE GUY. GUY.>>SURE.>>SURE.>>BUT WHEN HE WAS IN PRISON?>>BUT WHEN HE WAS IN PRISON?>>SO STALEY, ANOTHER IMPORTANT>>SO STALEY, ANOTHER IMPORTANT PIECE TOUCHING ON GLEN DUBIN AS PIECE TOUCHING ON GLEN DUBIN AS WELL. WELL. STALEY MEETS GLEN DUBIN WHO RUNS STALEY MEETS GLEN DUBIN WHO RUNS HIBRIDGE CAPITAL MANAGEMENT HIBRIDGE CAPITAL MANAGEMENT THROUGH EPSTEIN AND MAKES THIS THROUGH EPSTEIN AND MAKES THIS CONNECTION AND THEN BUYS THE CONNECTION AND THEN BUYS THE WHOLE THING A NUMBER OF YEARS WHOLE THING A NUMBER OF YEARS LATER. LATER. IT REALLY HELPS INCREASE THE IT REALLY HELPS INCREASE THE SUCCESS OF THAT BUSINESS. SUCCESS OF THAT BUSINESS. IT GROWS THE AUM BY A WIDE IT GROWS THE AUM BY A WIDE MARGIN AND MAKES STALEY AND MARGIN AND MAKES STALEY AND DUBIN BOTH SORT OF BUSINESS DUBIN BOTH SORT OF BUSINESS HEROES. HEROES. STALEY IS SO GRATEFUL FOR THIS STALEY IS SO GRATEFUL FOR THIS HELP THAT HE ACTUALLY VISITS HELP THAT HE ACTUALLY VISITS EPSTEIN DURING 2008 OR 2009 AT EPSTEIN DURING 2008 OR 2009 AT THIS TIME AS YOU SAID WHEN HE IS THIS TIME AS YOU SAID WHEN HE IS INCARCERATED AND HE’S WORKING INCARCERATED AND HE’S WORKING OUT OF AN OFFICE IN PALM BEACH. OUT OF AN OFFICE IN PALM BEACH.>>AMAZING.>>AMAZING. BILL, IN YOUR PIECE YOU DESCRIBE BILL, IN YOUR PIECE YOU DESCRIBE AN INTERACTION BETWEEN EPSTEIN AN INTERACTION BETWEEN EPSTEIN AND A PORTFOLIO MANAGER AT HIGH AND A PORTFOLIO MANAGER AT HIGH BRIDGE. BRIDGE. I WANT TO READ IT BECAUSE THE I WANT TO READ IT BECAUSE THE DESCRIPTION IS SO OUT OF THE DESCRIPTION IS SO OUT OF THE ORDINARY. ORDINARY. THIS IS ACCORDING TO SOMEONE WHO THIS IS ACCORDING TO SOMEONE WHO HEARD THE STORY. HEARD THE STORY. KUSNAN WENT TO EPSTEIN’S KUSNAN WENT TO EPSTEIN’S TOWNHOUSE AND WAS USHERED INTO A TOWNHOUSE AND WAS USHERED INTO A LITTLE ROOM BY A BUTLER. LITTLE ROOM BY A BUTLER. THERE HE SAW EPSTEIN SITTING THERE HE SAW EPSTEIN SITTING ATOP A RAISED PLATFORM LIKE A ATOP A RAISED PLATFORM LIKE A THRONE WITH TWO STRIKINGLY THRONE WITH TWO STRIKINGLY GORGEOUS YOUNG EASTERN EUROPEAN GORGEOUS YOUNG EASTERN EUROPEAN WOMEN STANDING BESIDE THE CHAIR. WOMEN STANDING BESIDE THE CHAIR. EPSTEIN ASKED KUSNAN A FEW EPSTEIN ASKED KUSNAN A FEW QUESTIONS AND THEN QUICKLY QUESTIONS AND THEN QUICKLY DECLARED THAT HE WAS DISMISSED. DECLARED THAT HE WAS DISMISSED. THE BUTLER ESCORTED KUSNAN OUT THE BUTLER ESCORTED KUSNAN OUT OF THE MANSION. OF THE MANSION. HE WALKED BACK TO HIS OFFICE AND HE WALKED BACK TO HIS OFFICE AND SITTING ON THE FAX MACHINE WAS SITTING ON THE FAX MACHINE WAS THE SIGNED PAPERWORK FROM THE SIGNED PAPERWORK FROM EPSTEIN AGREEING TO MAKE A EPSTEIN AGREEING TO MAKE A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT MULTIMILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT IN KUSNAN’S FUND. IN KUSNAN’S FUND. THIS IS NOT A NORMAL THIS IS NOT A NORMAL INTERACTION. INTERACTION. A HEDGE FUND MANAGER DOESN’T GO A HEDGE FUND MANAGER DOESN’T GO TO A WEALTHY GUY’S HOUSE AND TO A WEALTHY GUY’S HOUSE AND GREET HIM ON A THRONE SURROUNDED GREET HIM ON A THRONE SURROUNDED BY BEAUTIFUL WOMEN AND THEN BY BEAUTIFUL WOMEN AND THEN YEARS LATER WHEN THE FUND MAY YEARS LATER WHEN THE FUND MAY LOSE SOME MONEY AN INVESTOR LOSE SOME MONEY AN INVESTOR DOESN’T GET TO THEN GET ALL THE DOESN’T GET TO THEN GET ALL THE ORIGINAL INVESTMENT OUT. ORIGINAL INVESTMENT OUT. WHY ON EARTH WOULD THIS SCENE WHY ON EARTH WOULD THIS SCENE HAPPEN? HAPPEN?>>I THINK IT HAPPENED,>>I THINK IT HAPPENED, STEPHANIE, BECAUSE OF GLEN DUBIN STEPHANIE, BECAUSE OF GLEN DUBIN WANTING IT TO HAPPEN. WANTING IT TO HAPPEN. BOTH JOSEPH KUSNAN WHO DID SPEND BOTH JOSEPH KUSNAN WHO DID SPEND TIME AS A PORTFOLIO MANAGER AT TIME AS A PORTFOLIO MANAGER AT HIGH BRIDGE AND DAN ZWORN WERE HIGH BRIDGE AND DAN ZWORN WERE SETTING UP THEIR OWN FUNDS SORT SETTING UP THEIR OWN FUNDS SORT OF LIKE TIGER CUB KIND OF CUBS OF LIKE TIGER CUB KIND OF CUBS FUNDS UNDER THE AUSPICES OF GLEN FUNDS UNDER THE AUSPICES OF GLEN DUBIN AND GLEN HAVING THIS DUBIN AND GLEN HAVING THIS BIG-TIME RELATIONSHIP WITH BIG-TIME RELATIONSHIP WITH JEFFREY DUBIN, DIRECTED THEIR — JEFFREY DUBIN, DIRECTED THEIR — HIS AFFILIATES TO ESSENTIALLY HIS AFFILIATES TO ESSENTIALLY ACCEPT THIS MONEY FROM JEFFREY ACCEPT THIS MONEY FROM JEFFREY EPSTEIN NO QUESTIONS ASKED. EPSTEIN NO QUESTIONS ASKED. AND OF COURSE IN TYPICAL AND OF COURSE IN TYPICAL NOUVEAU, HEDGE FUND MANAGER WAY NOUVEAU, HEDGE FUND MANAGER WAY THEY DIDN’T ASK MANY QUESTIONS THEY DIDN’T ASK MANY QUESTIONS EVEN THOUGH THEY WEREN’T ALLOWED EVEN THOUGH THEY WEREN’T ALLOWED TO AND OF COURSE THEY ACCEPTED TO AND OF COURSE THEY ACCEPTED THE MONEY BECAUSE IT WAS A LOT THE MONEY BECAUSE IT WAS A LOT OF MONEY. OF MONEY.>>BUT WHAT WAS JEFFREY>>BUT WHAT WAS JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S SPECIAL TALENT? EPSTEIN’S SPECIAL TALENT? THIS IS WHAT I DON’T GET. THIS IS WHAT I DON’T GET. RIGHT? RIGHT? WHY WOULD THEY ALL STAND BY HIM WHY WOULD THEY ALL STAND BY HIM AND FOR SO LONG, KATE? AND FOR SO LONG, KATE? WE GO BACK AND WE THINK BERNIE WE GO BACK AND WE THINK BERNIE MADDOFF. MADDOFF. ALL THOSE PEOPLE FLOCKED TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE FLOCKED TO MADOFF BECAUSE OF OUT SIZED MADOFF BECAUSE OF OUT SIZED RETURNS. RETURNS. TALKING ABOUT AN AMAZING TALKING ABOUT AN AMAZING INVESTOR, LOOK AT HIS RETURNS, A INVESTOR, LOOK AT HIS RETURNS, A JOHN PAULSON DURING THE SUB JOHN PAULSON DURING THE SUB PRIME. PRIME. YOU’D SAY, AH. YOU’D SAY, AH. THIS WAS THE MAGIC. THIS WAS THE MAGIC. WHERE WAS JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S WHERE WAS JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S MAGIC THAT HAD SOME OF THE MAGIC THAT HAD SOME OF THE BIGGEST GUYS, LEON BLACK THE BIGGEST GUYS, LEON BLACK THE FOUNDER OF APOLLO, WHAT IN THE FOUNDER OF APOLLO, WHAT IN THE WORLD DOES HE NEED OR GET FROM WORLD DOES HE NEED OR GET FROM EPSTEIN? EPSTEIN?>>I THINK THERE WERE TWO>>I THINK THERE WERE TWO NARRATIVES SURROUNDING JEFFREY NARRATIVES SURROUNDING JEFFREY EPSTEIN AT LEAST UNTIL HE BECAME EPSTEIN AT LEAST UNTIL HE BECAME INFAMOUS FOR THESE OTHER INFAMOUS FOR THESE OTHER REASONS. REASONS. HE MANAGED LESLIE WEXNER’S HE MANAGED LESLIE WEXNER’S FORTUNE, FOUNDER OF L BRANDS, A FORTUNE, FOUNDER OF L BRANDS, A BILLIONAIRE DECADES AGO AT A BILLIONAIRE DECADES AGO AT A TIME WHEN THERE WERE LESS TIME WHEN THERE WERE LESS BILLIONAIRES AND HAD A FAR BILLIONAIRES AND HAD A FAR REACHING ALL ENCOMPASSING ROLE REACHING ALL ENCOMPASSING ROLE MANAGING HIS INVESTMENT MONEY, MANAGING HIS INVESTMENT MONEY, HIS PHILANTHROPY, DOING FAMILY HIS PHILANTHROPY, DOING FAMILY OFFICE TYPE DUTIES. OFFICE TYPE DUTIES. I DON’T THINK WE EVEN KNOW THE I DON’T THINK WE EVEN KNOW THE FULL EXTENT YET BUT IT WAS WIDE FULL EXTENT YET BUT IT WAS WIDE RANGING. RANGING. HE WAS KNOWN FOR THAT AND HE GOT HE WAS KNOWN FOR THAT AND HE GOT WEALTH EIGHT LEAST LARGELY IN WEALTH EIGHT LEAST LARGELY IN PART BECAUSE OF THAT. PART BECAUSE OF THAT. PEOPLE KNEW THAT. PEOPLE KNEW THAT. HE ALSO HAD A REPUTATION FOR HE ALSO HAD A REPUTATION FOR BEING SAVVY WHEN IT CAME TO TAX BEING SAVVY WHEN IT CAME TO TAX STRATEGIES AND ESTATE PLANNING. STRATEGIES AND ESTATE PLANNING. NOW, WHERE HE GOT THAT NOW, WHERE HE GOT THAT REPUTATION BEYOND WEXNER I’M NOT REPUTATION BEYOND WEXNER I’M NOT SURE BUT IT WAS ENOUGH THAT LEON SURE BUT IT WAS ENOUGH THAT LEON BLACK HIRED HIM OVER A COURSE OF BLACK HIRED HIM OVER A COURSE OF 15 OR SO YEARS ON AND OFF TO DO 15 OR SO YEARS ON AND OFF TO DO THIS WORK FOR HIM. THIS WORK FOR HIM.>>SO LEON BLACK WHO RUNS>>SO LEON BLACK WHO RUNS APOLLO, HAS DOZENS OF TAX APOLLO, HAS DOZENS OF TAX SPECIALISTS WHO WORK FOR HIM. SPECIALISTS WHO WORK FOR HIM.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>HE NEEDS JEFFREY EPSTEIN>>HE NEEDS JEFFREY EPSTEIN FORMER MATH TEACHER FROM DALTON? FORMER MATH TEACHER FROM DALTON?>>APPARENTLY.>>APPARENTLY. WHO DOES NOT HAVE A BACHELOR’S WHO DOES NOT HAVE A BACHELOR’S DEGREE. DEGREE. WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE TO WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE TO ESTABLISH THAT RELATIONSHIP, ESTABLISH THAT RELATIONSHIP, BLACK TRUSTED HIM ENOUGH THAT HE BLACK TRUSTED HIM ENOUGH THAT HE KEPT HIM ON AND OFF FOR MORE KEPT HIM ON AND OFF FOR MORE THAN A DECADE AND HE ALSO ADDED THAN A DECADE AND HE ALSO ADDED HIM AS A DIRECTOR, WHICH IS WELL HIM AS A DIRECTOR, WHICH IS WELL KNOWN AT THIS POINT, TO LEON’S KNOWN AT THIS POINT, TO LEON’S OWN FAMILY FOUNDATION BOARD OWN FAMILY FOUNDATION BOARD AROUND THE YEAR 2000. AROUND THE YEAR 2000.>>MANY OF THESE RELATIONSHIPS>>MANY OF THESE RELATIONSHIPS STAYED WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN STAYED WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN THROUGH HIS PRISON SENTENCE AND THROUGH HIS PRISON SENTENCE AND AFTER. AFTER. GLEN DUBIN IS ONE OF THEM. GLEN DUBIN IS ONE OF THEM. COULD IT POSSIBLY BE THESE COULD IT POSSIBLY BE THESE PEOPLE DIDN’T ACTUALLY KNOW THE PEOPLE DIDN’T ACTUALLY KNOW THE EXTENT OF WHAT HE HAD DONE? EXTENT OF WHAT HE HAD DONE? IF HE WENT TO JAIL FOR IF HE WENT TO JAIL FOR SOLICITING A PROSTITUTE THAT SOLICITING A PROSTITUTE THAT COULD BE SOMETHING PEOPLE WOULD COULD BE SOMETHING PEOPLE WOULD SAY, LISTEN. SAY, LISTEN. THIS ISN’T GOOD. THIS ISN’T GOOD. IT’S NOT GREAT BUT I FORGIVE IT’S NOT GREAT BUT I FORGIVE YOU. YOU. IS THERE A CHANCE THEY DID NOT IS THERE A CHANCE THEY DID NOT KNOW THE EXTENT TO THE POSSIBLE KNOW THE EXTENT TO THE POSSIBLE WRONGDOING OR WHAT HE IS ACCUSED WRONGDOING OR WHAT HE IS ACCUSED OF NOW? OF NOW?>>LOOK, STEPHANIE, KATE, KELLY>>LOOK, STEPHANIE, KATE, KELLY IS A FABULOUS REPORTER AND I IS A FABULOUS REPORTER AND I RESPECT EVERYTHING SHE DOES. RESPECT EVERYTHING SHE DOES. I’M REALLY WONDERING FRANKLY I’M REALLY WONDERING FRANKLY WHETHER THERE’S JUST A LOT OF WHETHER THERE’S JUST A LOT OF MYTH MAKING GOING ON NOW ABOUT MYTH MAKING GOING ON NOW ABOUT JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS, YOU JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS, YOU KNOW, TAX AND ACCOUNTING KNOW, TAX AND ACCOUNTING PROWESS, HIS MONEY MANAGEMENT PROWESS, HIS MONEY MANAGEMENT PROWESS. PROWESS. I THINK THIS IS ALL A NARRATIVE I THINK THIS IS ALL A NARRATIVE BEING CREATED TO COVER UP BEING CREATED TO COVER UP SOMETHING MUCH DEEPER AND DARKER SOMETHING MUCH DEEPER AND DARKER THAT WE DON’T KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT WE DON’T KNOW WHAT IT IS YET, BECAUSE I’M SORRY YOU DON’T YET, BECAUSE I’M SORRY YOU DON’T GIVE SOMEBODY A MANSION ON EAST GIVE SOMEBODY A MANSION ON EAST 71st STREET THAT’S NOW 71st STREET THAT’S NOW APPARENTLY WORTH $77 MILLION APPARENTLY WORTH $77 MILLION JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE MANAGING HIS JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE MANAGING HIS MONEY. MONEY.>>WE DON’T HAVE EVIDENCE OF>>WE DON’T HAVE EVIDENCE OF THAT THOUGH. THAT THOUGH. AT THIS POINT, GIFTING A MANSION AT THIS POINT, GIFTING A MANSION TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN AT THIS POINT TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN AT THIS POINT IS URBAN LEGEND. IS URBAN LEGEND. IT MAY BE TRUE BUT WE DON’T KNOW IT MAY BE TRUE BUT WE DON’T KNOW FOR SURE. FOR SURE.>>I THINK BILL MAKES A GOOD>>I THINK BILL MAKES A GOOD POINT THOUGH. POINT THOUGH. I THINK THERE WAS BLUSTER AND I THINK THERE WAS BLUSTER AND WHITE LIES PROBABLY ALSO WHITE LIES PROBABLY ALSO OUTRIGHT LIES IN TERMS OF OUTRIGHT LIES IN TERMS OF EPSTEIN AND THE WAY HE DESCRIBED EPSTEIN AND THE WAY HE DESCRIBED HIS RELATIONSHIPS WITH THESE HIS RELATIONSHIPS WITH THESE BUSINESS FIGURES. BUSINESS FIGURES. I THINK A LOT OF IT WAS BS OR I THINK A LOT OF IT WAS BS OR GREATLY EXAGGERATED. GREATLY EXAGGERATED. HE DID ENTERTAIN AND HAVE PEOPLE HE DID ENTERTAIN AND HAVE PEOPLE OVER AND DID MEET PEOPLE IN OVER AND DID MEET PEOPLE IN OFFICES AND AT FUNCTIONS. OFFICES AND AT FUNCTIONS. THE INTERESTING THING WE FOUND THE INTERESTING THING WE FOUND THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT AND WE THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT AND WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE BLUSTER IN OUR STORY, THERE WERE BLUSTER IN OUR STORY, THERE WERE THESE REAL CONNECTIONS. THESE REAL CONNECTIONS. THEY MAY HAVE BEEN ONLY A FEW THEY MAY HAVE BEEN ONLY A FEW BUT IT WAS ENOUGH THAT HE SORT BUT IT WAS ENOUGH THAT HE SORT OF LEVERAGED THAT INTO ACCESS TO OF LEVERAGED THAT INTO ACCESS TO PEOPLE AND BUILDING THIS PEOPLE AND BUILDING THIS REPUTATION, EVEN IF IT WAS REPUTATION, EVEN IF IT WAS LARGELY HOT AIR. LARGELY HOT AIR.>>MY GOODNESS.>>MY GOODNESS.>>I AGREE WITH KATE COMPLETELY>>I AGREE WITH KATE COMPLETELY ON THAT. ON THAT. THE QUESTION IS, WHY WAS HE ABLE THE QUESTION IS, WHY WAS HE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THESE RELATIONSHIPS TO LEVERAGE THESE RELATIONSHIPS AND FOR SO LONG AS YOU ASK,

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THAT’S ALL IN FOR THIS EVENING. RACHEL MADDOW STARTS WITH JOY RACHEL MADDOW STARTS WITH JOY REED FOR RACHEL. REED FOR RACHEL.>>GOOD EVENING.>>GOOD EVENING. HAVE A GREAT REST OF THE NIGHT. HAVE A GREAT REST OF THE NIGHT. THANKS TO YOU ALL. THANKS TO YOU ALL. RACHEL HAS THE NIGHT OFF, BUT RACHEL HAS THE NIGHT OFF, BUT WILL BE BACK TOMORROW. WILL BE BACK TOMORROW. I WANT TO START WITH THE STORY I WANT TO START WITH THE STORY OF COURTNEY WILD. OF COURTNEY WILD. SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME SHE WAS LIVING IN FLORIDA. SHE WAS LIVING IN FLORIDA. SHE WAS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL AND SHE WAS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL AND CAPTAIN OF THE CHEERLEADING CAPTAIN OF THE CHEERLEADING SQUAD AND PLAYED THE TRUMPET. SQUAD AND PLAYED THE TRUMPET. HE HAD GOOD GRADES AND BRACES HE HAD GOOD GRADES AND BRACES AND WHEN SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD, AND WHEN SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD, SHE WAS INTRODUCED TO A MAN SHE WAS INTRODUCED TO A MAN NAMED JEFFREY EPSTEIN. NAMED JEFFREY EPSTEIN. HE IS AN INCREDIBLY WEALTHY HE IS AN INCREDIBLY WEALTHY MULTIMILLIONAIRE WHO SURROUNDED MULTIMILLIONAIRE WHO SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH POWERFUL HIGH HIMSELF WITH POWERFUL HIGH PROFILE PEOPLE. PROFILE PEOPLE. HIS PRIVATE AIRLINE HAS HOSTED HIS PRIVATE AIRLINE HAS HOSTED HIGH PROFILE GUESTS LIKE BILL HIGH PROFILE GUESTS LIKE BILL CLINTON, PRINCE ANDREW AND CLINTON, PRINCE ANDREW AND VARIOUS CELEBRITIES AND DONALD VARIOUS CELEBRITIES AND DONALD TRUMP DESCRIBED HIM AS A FRIEND. TRUMP DESCRIBED HIM AS A FRIEND. IN 2005, FLORIDA POLICE STARTED IN 2005, FLORIDA POLICE STARTED INVESTIGATEING AND WHAT THEY INVESTIGATEING AND WHAT THEY TURNED UP WAS HORRIFYING. TURNED UP WAS HORRIFYING. HE WAS RUNNING AN OPERATION TO HE WAS RUNNING AN OPERATION TO MOLEST AND RAPE LARGE NUMBERS OF MOLEST AND RAPE LARGE NUMBERS OF GIRLS. GIRLS. HE WAS IN HIS 50s AND MANY HE WAS IN HIS 50s AND MANY VICTIMS WERE CHILDREN. VICTIMS WERE CHILDREN. THE FBI GOT INVOLVE AND WAS ABLE THE FBI GOT INVOLVE AND WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY DOZENS OF GIRLS WHO TO IDENTIFY DOZENS OF GIRLS WHO HAD BEEN HIS VICTIMS. HAD BEEN HIS VICTIMS. MOST WERE BETWEEN 13 AND 16 MOST WERE BETWEEN 13 AND 16 YEARS OLD. YEARS OLD. SOME PEOPLE THINK THERE COULD BE SOME PEOPLE THINK THERE COULD BE HUNDREDS OF OTHER VICTIMS OUT HUNDREDS OF OTHER VICTIMS OUT THERE. THERE. ONE OF THE ALLEGED VICTIMS WAS ONE OF THE ALLEGED VICTIMS WAS COURTNEY WILD WHO WAS 14. COURTNEY WILD WHO WAS 14. HE SAID HE SEXUALLY ABUSED HER HE SAID HE SEXUALLY ABUSED HER FOR YEARS. FOR YEARS. IT WAS SPELLED OUT IN THE “MIAMI IT WAS SPELLED OUT IN THE “MIAMI HERALD’S” HEROIC REPORTING TO HERALD’S” HEROIC REPORTING TO PREPARE CRIMINAL CHARGES FOR PREPARE CRIMINAL CHARGES FOR BEING A SERIAL CHILD SEX BEING A SERIAL CHILD SEX OFFENDER. OFFENDER. THE INDICTMENT THE FBI WROTE UP THE INDICTMENT THE FBI WROTE UP LISTING ALL OF THE HEINOUS LISTING ALL OF THE HEINOUS CRIMES WAS 53 PAGES LONG. CRIMES WAS 53 PAGES LONG. 53 PAGES OF STORIES LIKE 53 PAGES OF STORIES LIKE COURTNEY WILD’S. COURTNEY WILD’S. THEY ACCUSED EPSTEIN OF THEY ACCUSED EPSTEIN OF RECRUITING UNDERAGE GIRLS FOR RECRUITING UNDERAGE GIRLS FOR SEX ACROSS STATE LINES. SEX ACROSS STATE LINES. THOSE ARE FEDERAL CHARGES THAT THOSE ARE FEDERAL CHARGES THAT COULD HAVE SENT HIM TO PRISON COULD HAVE SENT HIM TO PRISON FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. INSTEAD A FEDERAL PROSECUTOR INSTEAD A FEDERAL PROSECUTOR NAMED ALEX ACOSTA PREVENTED NAMED ALEX ACOSTA PREVENTED JEFFREY EPSTEIN FROM BEING JEFFREY EPSTEIN FROM BEING CHARGED WITH ANY FEDERAL CRIMES CHARGED WITH ANY FEDERAL CRIMES AND FEDERAL CHARGES AGAINST AND FEDERAL CHARGES AGAINST ACCOMPLICES, TOO. ACCOMPLICES, TOO. THAT MAN IS IN THE PRESIDENT’S THAT MAN IS IN THE PRESIDENT’S CABINET. CABINET. HE IS DONALD TRUMP’S LABOR HE IS DONALD TRUMP’S LABOR SECRETARY. SECRETARY. BACK WHEN THAT FBI INVESTIGATION BACK WHEN THAT FBI INVESTIGATION WAS GOING ON, HE WAS THE U.S. WAS GOING ON, HE WAS THE U.S. ATTORNEY IN SOUTHERN FLORIDA. ATTORNEY IN SOUTHERN FLORIDA. INSTEAD OF CHANGING JEFFREY INSTEAD OF CHANGING JEFFREY EPSTEIN WITH THE 53 PAGES OF SEX EPSTEIN WITH THE 53 PAGES OF SEX CRIMES, ALEX ACCOSTOSTA MADE A D CRIMES, ALEX ACCOSTOSTA MADE A D IN A NON-PROSECUTION AGREEMENT IN A NON-PROSECUTION AGREEMENT WHICH GAVE HIM IMMUNITY FROM ALL WHICH GAVE HIM IMMUNITY FROM ALL FEDERAL CHARGES AND HE PLEAD FEDERAL CHARGES AND HE PLEAD GUILTY TO TWO STATE CHARGES FOR GUILTY TO TWO STATE CHARGES FOR PROSTITUTION AS IF THE GIRLS PROSTITUTION AS IF THE GIRLS LIKE COURTNEY WILD WERE LIKE COURTNEY WILD WERE PROSTITUTES AND NOT CHILDREN PROSTITUTES AND NOT CHILDREN BEING VICTIMIZED BY AN ACCUSED BEING VICTIMIZED BY AN ACCUSED CHILD MOLESTER THANKS TO THE CHILD MOLESTER THANKS TO THE SWEET DEAL HE GOT. SWEET DEAL HE GOT. HE GOT TO LEAVE JAIL DURING THE HE GOT TO LEAVE JAIL DURING THE DAY TO WORK IN HIS OFFICE. DAY TO WORK IN HIS OFFICE. SINCE THEN HE HAS GONE BACK TO SINCE THEN HE HAS GONE BACK TO LIVING OFF HIS MILLIONS, JET LIVING OFF HIS MILLIONS, JET SETTING ALL OVER THE WORLD. SETTING ALL OVER THE WORLD. ALEX ACOSTA AGREED TO DO HIS ALEX ACOSTA AGREED TO DO HIS DEAL IN SECRET. DEAL IN SECRET. CRIME VICTIMS HAVE THE RIGHT TO CRIME VICTIMS HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE TOLD WHEN THERE ARE PLEA BE TOLD WHEN THERE ARE PLEA NEGOTIATION GOING ON, BUT ALEX NEGOTIATION GOING ON, BUT ALEX ACOSTA DID NOT NOTIFY THE ACOSTA DID NOT NOTIFY THE VICTIMS BEFORE HE GRANTED HIM VICTIMS BEFORE HE GRANTED HIM THAT PLEA DEAL. THAT PLEA DEAL. EPSTEIN’S LAWYERS ASKED ACOSTA EPSTEIN’S LAWYERS ASKED ACOSTA TO KEEP THE DEAL A SECRET AND TO KEEP THE DEAL A SECRET AND ACOSTA AGREED. ACOSTA AGREED. COURTNEY WILD, ONE OF THE VICTIM COURTNEY WILD, ONE OF THE VICTIM WHO IS WAS KEPT IN THE DARK WHO IS WAS KEPT IN THE DARK ABOUT THAT DEAL, SHE SUED THE ABOUT THAT DEAL, SHE SUED THE GOVERNMENT ALLEGING THAT ALEX GOVERNMENT ALLEGING THAT ALEX ACOSTA AND HIS TEAM BROKE THE ACOSTA AND HIS TEAM BROKE THE LAW BY KEEPING SECRET FROM HER LAW BY KEEPING SECRET FROM HER AND ALL THE OTHER VICTIMS THE AND ALL THE OTHER VICTIMS THE FACT THAT THEY GAVE EPSTEIN THIS FACT THAT THEY GAVE EPSTEIN THIS NON-PROSECUTION DEAL. NON-PROSECUTION DEAL. SHE FILED THAT NAUGHT 11 YEARLAW SHE FILED THAT NAUGHT 11 YEARLAW AGO AND IT DRAGGED ON FOR OVER A AGO AND IT DRAGGED ON FOR OVER A DECADE. DECADE. SHE BRAVELY AND COURAGEOUSLY PUT SHE BRAVELY AND COURAGEOUSLY PUT HER NAME ON THE RECORD AND TOLD HER NAME ON THE RECORD AND TOLD HER STORY TO THE “MIAMI HERALD.” HER STORY TO THE “MIAMI HERALD.” COURTNEY WILD DID NOT GIVE UP COURTNEY WILD DID NOT GIVE UP AND DROP HER CASE AFTER ALL THAT AND DROP HER CASE AFTER ALL THAT TIME. TIME. EVENTUALLY EARLIER THIS YEAR A EVENTUALLY EARLIER THIS YEAR A JUDGE AGREED WITH HER, RULING JUDGE AGREED WITH HER, RULING THAT THE CURRENT SECRETARY OF THAT THE CURRENT SECRETARY OF LABOR, ALEX ACOSTA BROKE THE LAW LABOR, ALEX ACOSTA BROKE THE LAW WHEN HE AGREED TO KEEP THAT DEAL WHEN HE AGREED TO KEEP THAT DEAL A SECRET FROM HIS VICTIMS. A SECRET FROM HIS VICTIMS. AND YET STILL EVEN THEN, THERE AND YET STILL EVEN THEN, THERE WAS NO JUSTICE FOR COURTNEY WILD WAS NO JUSTICE FOR COURTNEY WILD AND HER FELLOW VICTIMS. AND HER FELLOW VICTIMS. ALEX ACOSTA STAYED LABOR ALEX ACOSTA STAYED LABOR SECRETARY. SECRETARY. JEFFREY EPSTEIN STAYED FREE. JEFFREY EPSTEIN STAYED FREE. HE COULD NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE HE COULD NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR CRIMES TOWARDS COURTNEY WILD FOR CRIMES TOWARDS COURTNEY WILD AND THE DOZENS OF OTHER WOMEN AND THE DOZENS OF OTHER WOMEN LIKE HER WITH THE LIKE HER WITH THE NON-PROSECUTION AGREEMENT ON THE NON-PROSECUTION AGREEMENT ON THE BOOKS IN FLORIDA. BOOKS IN FLORIDA. IN FLORIDA. IN FLORIDA. OVER THE WEEKEND, FEDERAL OVER THE WEEKEND, FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK CITY PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK CITY BUSTED DOWN THE DOOR OF JEFFREY BUSTED DOWN THE DOOR OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S MANSION AND ARRESTED EPSTEIN’S MANSION AND ARRESTED HIM AT THE AIRPORT AFTER HE HIM AT THE AIRPORT AFTER HE LANDED IN HIS PRIVATE JET FRESH LANDED IN HIS PRIVATE JET FRESH OFF A VACATION IN FRANCE. OFF A VACATION IN FRANCE. THIS MORNING EPSTEIN WAS THIS MORNING EPSTEIN WAS ARRAIGNED IN FEDERAL COURT ON ARRAIGNED IN FEDERAL COURT ON FEDERAL SEX TRAFFICKING CHARGES FEDERAL SEX TRAFFICKING CHARGES IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK. IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK. IN THIS NEW INDICTMENT, THEY IN THIS NEW INDICTMENT, THEY ALLEGE BETWEEN 2002 AND 2005 HE ALLEGE BETWEEN 2002 AND 2005 HE ABUSED DOZENS OF UNDERAGE GIRLS ABUSED DOZENS OF UNDERAGE GIRLS IN MANHATTAN AND PALM BEACH. IN MANHATTAN AND PALM BEACH. THEY ARE PRACTICALLY A MIRROR THEY ARE PRACTICALLY A MIRROR IMAGE WRITTEN UP MORE THAN A IMAGE WRITTEN UP MORE THAN A DECADE AGO THAT WERE SHELVED BY DECADE AGO THAT WERE SHELVED BY ALEX ACCOST A. THEY COVER THE ALEX ACCOST A. THEY COVER THE SAME PERIOD. SAME PERIOD. THE SAME KINDS OF LURID SEX THE SAME KINDS OF LURID SEX CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN. CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN. THEY ARE NEW CHARGES ABOUT THEY ARE NEW CHARGES ABOUT DIFFERENT ALLEGATIONS FROM THE DIFFERENT ALLEGATIONS FROM THE LAST TIME HE WAS INVESTIGATED IN LAST TIME HE WAS INVESTIGATED IN FLORIDA. FLORIDA. THE ONES COVERED BY THE THE ONES COVERED BY THE NON-PROSECUTION AGREEMENT WHICH NON-PROSECUTION AGREEMENT WHICH HAS BEEN PROTECTING HIM FROM HAS BEEN PROTECTING HIM FROM BEING CHARGED THERE. BEING CHARGED THERE. THAT AGREEMENT NOT TO PROSECUTE THAT AGREEMENT NOT TO PROSECUTE IS ONLY VALID IN SOUTHERN IS ONLY VALID IN SOUTHERN FLORIDA WHERE ACCOSTOSTA MADE TH FLORIDA WHERE ACCOSTOSTA MADE TH DEAL WHICH LEFT THE FIELD WIDE DEAL WHICH LEFT THE FIELD WIDE OPEN FOR PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK OPEN FOR PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION OF TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION OF THEIR OWN INTO EPSTEIN’S CONDUCT THEIR OWN INTO EPSTEIN’S CONDUCT IN NEW YORK IN THEIR BACK YARD IN NEW YORK IN THEIR BACK YARD WHICH LED TO THE BRAND-NEW WHICH LED TO THE BRAND-NEW CHARGES TODAY. CHARGES TODAY. PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK DO NOT PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK DO NOT THINK EPSTEIN SHOULD BE SET FREE THINK EPSTEIN SHOULD BE SET FREE WITH JUST A SLAP ON THE WRIST. WITH JUST A SLAP ON THE WRIST. UNDER THIS NEW INDICTMENT, HE UNDER THIS NEW INDICTMENT, HE FACES 45 YEARS IN PRISON. FACES 45 YEARS IN PRISON. HE IS 66 YEARS OLD. HE IS 66 YEARS OLD. THAT MEANS IF HE IS FOUND GUILTY THAT MEANS IF HE IS FOUND GUILTY IN NEW YORK, HE COULD SPEND THE IN NEW YORK, HE COULD SPEND THE REST OF HIS NATURAL LIFE BEHIND REST OF HIS NATURAL LIFE BEHIND BARS. BARS. PROSECUTORS SEEM TO THINK THEY PROSECUTORS SEEM TO THINK THEY HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PUT HIM HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PUT HIM THERE. THERE. THEY ANNOUNCED WHAT THEY FOUND THEY ANNOUNCED WHAT THEY FOUND WHEN THEY BUSTED THROUGH WHEN THEY BUSTED THROUGH EPSTEIN’S FRONT DOOR. EPSTEIN’S FRONT DOOR. DOCUMENTS, NOTES, MESSAGES DOCUMENTS, NOTES, MESSAGES INCLUDING NAMES AND CONTACT INCLUDING NAMES AND CONTACT INFORMATION FOR EPSTEIN’S INFORMATION FOR EPSTEIN’S ALLEGED VICTIMS AND CALL RECORDS ALLEGED VICTIMS AND CALL RECORDS CONFIRMING HIS CONTACT WITH CONFIRMING HIS CONTACT WITH THEM. THEM. WITH THE VICTIMS. WITH THE VICTIMS. PROSECUTORS SAY THAT EVIDENCE IS PROSECUTORS SAY THAT EVIDENCE IS CONSISTENT WITH VICTIM CONSISTENT WITH VICTIM RECOLLECTIONS. RECOLLECTIONS. FURTHER STRENGTHENING THE FURTHER STRENGTHENING THE EVIDENCE OF CONDUCT CHARGED IN EVIDENCE OF CONDUCT CHARGED IN THE INDICTMENT. THE INDICTMENT. PROSECUTORS SAY THEY FOUND PROSECUTORS SAY THEY FOUND HUNDRED FIST NOT THOUSANDS OF HUNDRED FIST NOT THOUSANDS OF LEWD PHOTOGRAPHS OF YOUNG WOMEN LEWD PHOTOGRAPHS OF YOUNG WOMEN AND GIRLS WITHOUT THEIR CLOTHES AND GIRLS WITHOUT THEIR CLOTHES ON. ON. MANY OF WHOM ARE BELIEVED TO BE MANY OF WHOM ARE BELIEVED TO BE UNDERAGE. UNDERAGE. SOME OF THE PHOTOS WERE SOME OF THE PHOTOS WERE DISCOVERED IN A LOCKED SAFE. DISCOVERED IN A LOCKED SAFE. PROSECUTORS WRITING THAT THE PROSECUTORS WRITING THAT THE DEFENDANT IS NOT REFORMED. DEFENDANT IS NOT REFORMED. HE IS NOT CHASENT. HE IS NOT CHASENT. HE IS NOT REPENTANT. HE IS NOT REPENTANT. RATHER, HE IS A CONTINUING RATHER, HE IS A CONTINUING DANGER TO THE COMMUNITY AND AN DANGER TO THE COMMUNITY AND AN INDIVIDUAL WHO FACES DEVASTATING INDIVIDUAL WHO FACES DEVASTATING EVIDENCE SUPPORTING DEEPLY EVIDENCE SUPPORTING DEEPLY SERIOUS CHARGES. SERIOUS CHARGES. THAT DEVASTATING EVIDENCE THEY THAT DEVASTATING EVIDENCE THEY HAVE AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN HAVE AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN MUST BE A RELIEF TO A WOMAN LIKE MUST BE A RELIEF TO A WOMAN LIKE COURTNEY WILD. COURTNEY WILD. RELIEF TO THE DOZENS OR HUNDREDS RELIEF TO THE DOZENS OR HUNDREDS OF VICTIMS LIKE HER WHO LOST OF VICTIMS LIKE HER WHO LOST THEIR SHOT AT JUSTICE THE FIRST THEIR SHOT AT JUSTICE THE FIRST TIME AROUND BECAUSE ALEX ACOSTA TIME AROUND BECAUSE ALEX ACOSTA TOOK THAT SHOT AWAY. TOOK THAT SHOT AWAY. IT IS POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING IT IS POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING NEWS FOR THE LABOR SECRETARY TOO NEWS FOR THE LABOR SECRETARY TOO SINCE ALEX ACOSTA GAVE THAT SINCE ALEX ACOSTA GAVE THAT SWEETHEART DEAL WHEN HE WAS U.S. SWEETHEART DEAL WHEN HE WAS U.S. ATTORNEY, HE DEFENDED HIS ATTORNEY, HE DEFENDED HIS HANDLING OF THE CASE. HANDLING OF THE CASE. WITHOUT THAT DEAL, EPSTEIN COULD WITHOUT THAT DEAL, EPSTEIN COULD HAVE GOTTEN ZERO JAIL TIME AND HAVE GOTTEN ZERO JAIL TIME AND REGISTRATION AS A SEXUAL REGISTRATION AS A SEXUAL OFFENDER AND THERE WOULD HAVE OFFENDER AND THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN ZERO RESTITUTION FOR THE BEEN ZERO RESTITUTION FOR THE VICTIMS AND THAT’S THE BEST HE VICTIMS AND THAT’S THE BEST HE COULD GET BASED ON THE EVIDENCE COULD GET BASED ON THE EVIDENCE HE HAD. HE HAD. WITH THIS NEW INDICTMENT, WITH THIS NEW INDICTMENT, PROSECUTORS SEEM TO CONTRADICT PROSECUTORS SEEM TO CONTRADICT THAT ASSERTION. THAT ASSERTION. ACCORDING TO THIS NEW ACCORDING TO THIS NEW INDICTMENT, THERE IS ENOUGH INDICTMENT, THERE IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE DO YOU MEANING EVIDENCE DO YOU MEANING EPSTEIN’S CHILD SEX CRIMES TO EPSTEIN’S CHILD SEX CRIMES TO PUT HIM IN JAIL FOR THE REST OF PUT HIM IN JAIL FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. HIS LIFE. ALEX ACCOSTOSTA DID NOT SEE IT T ALEX ACCOSTOSTA DID NOT SEE IT T WAY. WAY. JOINING US NOW IS JULIE BROWN, JOINING US NOW IS JULIE BROWN, THE REPORTER WHOSE INDEPTH THE REPORTER WHOSE INDEPTH REPORTING SERIES ON JEFFREY REPORTING SERIES ON JEFFREY EPSTEIN BROKE THIS STORY WIDE EPSTEIN BROKE THIS STORY WIDE OPEN AND WAS CREDITED BY OPEN AND WAS CREDITED BY PROSECUTORS FOR ASSISTING IN THE PROSECUTORS FOR ASSISTING IN THE INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION. SHE WAS INSIDE THE COURT TODAY. SHE WAS INSIDE THE COURT TODAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. HERE. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS REPORTING. REPORTING. FOR THESE YOUNG VICTIMS IT HAD FOR THESE YOUNG VICTIMS IT HAD TO BE A RELIEF TO SEE THE TO BE A RELIEF TO SEE THE BEGINNINGS OF JUSTICE. BEGINNINGS OF JUSTICE. DOES IT SURPRISE YOU THAT THE DOES IT SURPRISE YOU THAT THE CHARGES THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT CHARGES THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT AGAINST HIM TODAY ARE SO SIMILAR AGAINST HIM TODAY ARE SO SIMILAR TO THE CHARGES THAT HE WAS GIVEN TO THE CHARGES THAT HE WAS GIVEN A SWEET DEAL FOR BEFORE. A SWEET DEAL FOR BEFORE. HOW CAN THAT BE EXPLAINED TO THE HOW CAN THAT BE EXPLAINED TO THE ORDINARY PERSON? ORDINARY PERSON?>>HE HAD AN OPERATION GOING.>>HE HAD AN OPERATION GOING. HE HAD PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR HE HAD PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR HIM. HIM. HE HAD A SET UP OF RECRUITERS HE HAD A SET UP OF RECRUITERS ALL OVER IN NEW YORK, IN ALL OVER IN NEW YORK, IN FLORIDA, AS FAR AS WE KNOW THIS FLORIDA, AS FAR AS WE KNOW THIS WAS PROBABLY GOING ON IN THE WAS PROBABLY GOING ON IN THE U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS WHERE HE HAD U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS WHERE HE HAD A HOME AND IN EUROPE. A HOME AND IN EUROPE. HE HAD SCHEDULERS JUST LIKE AN HE HAD SCHEDULERS JUST LIKE AN ORGANIZED CRIME ORGANIZATION ORGANIZED CRIME ORGANIZATION OPERATES WITH A BOSS AT THE TOP OPERATES WITH A BOSS AT THE TOP AND YOU HAVE THE LIEUTENANTS AND AND YOU HAVE THE LIEUTENANTS AND CAPOS AND SOLDIERS. CAPOS AND SOLDIERS. HE HAD PILOTS AND SCHEDULERS AND HE HAD PILOTS AND SCHEDULERS AND RECRUITERS AND PEOPLE WHO HANDLE RECRUITERS AND PEOPLE WHO HANDLE HIS MONEY AND PAID THE GIRLS. HIS MONEY AND PAID THE GIRLS. PEOPLE WHO DROVE THE GIRLS BACK PEOPLE WHO DROVE THE GIRLS BACK AND FORTH. AND FORTH. HE HAD A SCHEDULE WHERE TWO, HE HAD A SCHEDULE WHERE TWO, THREE OF THEM WOULD COME EVERY THREE OF THEM WOULD COME EVERY DAY. DAY. IT WOULDN’T BE SURPRISING THAT IT WOULDN’T BE SURPRISING THAT SINCE HE HAD THE SAME SINCE HE HAD THE SAME ORGANIZATION IN PLACE THAT THAT ORGANIZATION IN PLACE THAT THAT SAME OPERATION EXISTED IN NEW SAME OPERATION EXISTED IN NEW YORK AS WELL AS IN FLORIDA. YORK AS WELL AS IN FLORIDA.>>HOW PUBLICLY KNOWN — AMONG>>HOW PUBLICLY KNOWN — AMONG THE PEOPLE WHO KNEW JEFFREY THE PEOPLE WHO KNEW JEFFREY EPSTEIN, WAS THIS SOMETHING EPSTEIN, WAS THIS SOMETHING KNOWN THAT HE WAS DOING OR WAS KNOWN THAT HE WAS DOING OR WAS IT A SECRET OPERATION WHERE THE IT A SECRET OPERATION WHERE THE EMPLOYEES KNEW, BUT OUTSIDE OF EMPLOYEES KNEW, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE, NO ONE THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE, NO ONE KNEW? KNEW?>>WELL, THERE WERE PEOPLE>>WELL, THERE WERE PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE OPERATION THAT OUTSIDE THE OPERATION THAT PROBABLY KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING, PROBABLY KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING, WHETHER THEY PARTICIPATED IN IT WHETHER THEY PARTICIPATED IN IT OR JUST KNEW ABOUT IT AND LOOKED OR JUST KNEW ABOUT IT AND LOOKED THE OTHER WAY, WE DON’T KNOW. THE OTHER WAY, WE DON’T KNOW. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAD TO KNOW WHAT HE WAS THAT HAD TO KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING. DOING. IT WAS TOO PERVASIVE FOR THEM IT WAS TOO PERVASIVE FOR THEM NOT TO KNOW. NOT TO KNOW.>>HOW WAS IT THAT HE WAS>>HOW WAS IT THAT HE WAS SENTENCE AND GOT THIS DEAL, THE SENTENCE AND GOT THIS DEAL, THE IDEA THAT HE WAS ALLOWED TO BE IDEA THAT HE WAS ALLOWED TO BE OUT OF JAIL ON A WORK RELEASE OUT OF JAIL ON A WORK RELEASE AND HE WAS BARELY PUNISHED AT AND HE WAS BARELY PUNISHED AT ALL AND THE GIRLS WERE ALL AND THE GIRLS WERE CLASSIFIED AND WHEN HE WAS CLASSIFIED AND WHEN HE WAS CONVICTED OF WAS PROSTITUTION. CONVICTED OF WAS PROSTITUTION.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT. THEY TREATED THESE GIRLS LIKE THEY TREATED THESE GIRLS LIKE THEY WERE PROSTITUTES EVEN THEY WERE PROSTITUTES EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE UNDERAGE. THOUGH THEY WERE UNDERAGE. THAT’S ONE OF THE EXCUSES FOR THAT’S ONE OF THE EXCUSES FOR NOT CHARGING HIM WITH MORE NOT CHARGING HIM WITH MORE SERIOUS CRIMES BECAUSE THEY SERIOUS CRIMES BECAUSE THEY ACCEPTED MONEY. ACCEPTED MONEY. IT WAS THEIR FAULT IN THEIR IT WAS THEIR FAULT IN THEIR MINDS THAT THESE GIRLS CAME FROM MINDS THAT THESE GIRLS CAME FROM VULNERABLE FAMILIES AND BROKEN VULNERABLE FAMILIES AND BROKEN HOMES AND SOME WERE PRETTY MUCH HOMES AND SOME WERE PRETTY MUCH HOMELESS. HOMELESS. THEY DIDN’T TAKE THESE GIRLS THEY DIDN’T TAKE THESE GIRLS SERIOUSLY WHICH IN HINDSIGHT SERIOUSLY WHICH IN HINDSIGHT THEY SHOULD HAVE. THEY SHOULD HAVE. A COUPLE OF THEM TOOK THEM TO A COUPLE OF THEM TOOK THEM TO COURT AND HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR COURT AND HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR THIS FOR 10 YEARS AND HAVE BEEN THIS FOR 10 YEARS AND HAVE BEEN PERSISTENT IN FIGHTING FOR PERSISTENT IN FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE. JUSTICE.>>HOW WELL DID HE KNOW DONALD>>HOW WELL DID HE KNOW DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP. WHEN HE CALLS HIM A FRIEND, IS WHEN HE CALLS HIM A FRIEND, IS THAT A REFLECTION? THAT A REFLECTION?>>I THINK THEY WERE FRIENDS,>>I THINK THEY WERE FRIENDS, BUT I DON’T KNOW IF THEY STILL BUT I DON’T KNOW IF THEY STILL ARE. ARE. HE FLEW ON JEFFREY’S PLANE AND HE FLEW ON JEFFREY’S PLANE AND JEFFREY AT TIME BELONGED TO MAR JEFFREY AT TIME BELONGED TO MAR A LAGO. A LAGO. TRUMP KICKED HIM OUT BECAUSE HE TRUMP KICKED HIM OUT BECAUSE HE HIT ON ONE OF THE MEMBERS’ HIT ON ONE OF THE MEMBERS’ YOUNGER DAUGHTERS. YOUNGER DAUGHTERS. I DON’T KNOW HOW FRIENDLY THEY I DON’T KNOW HOW FRIENDLY THEY ARE ANY LONGER, BUT THEY WERE IN ARE ANY LONGER, BUT THEY WERE IN THE SAME SOCIAL CIRCLE. THE SAME SOCIAL CIRCLE.>>HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO>>HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO INTERVIEW OR TALK TO PEOPLE WHO INTERVIEW OR TALK TO PEOPLE WHO HAD THOUGHTS ABOUT THE WAY HE HAD THOUGHTS ABOUT THE WAY HE ENDED THIS CASE? ENDED THIS CASE?>>JEFF SLOWMAN WAS WHO WAS>>JEFF SLOWMAN WAS WHO WAS DEPUTY HAS BEEN VOCAL IN THE DEPUTY HAS BEEN VOCAL IN THE SUPPORT OF MR. ACOSTA. SUPPORT OF MR. ACOSTA. HE AGREES THAT A.M.LEX FACED A L HE AGREES THAT A.M.LEX FACED A L OF PUSH BACK BY EPSTEIN’S OF PUSH BACK BY EPSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS AND IN THEIR VIEW, THE ATTORNEYS AND IN THEIR VIEW, THE GIRLS AT THE TIME WERE RELUCTANT GIRLS AT THE TIME WERE RELUCTANT TO GO TO TRIAL BECAUSE THEY WERE TO GO TO TRIAL BECAUSE THEY WERE SCARED. SCARED. THEY WERE VERY YOUNG AT 13 OR 14 THEY WERE VERY YOUNG AT 13 OR 14 YEARS OLD. YEARS OLD. BUT HERE’S WHAT I ALWAYS POINT BUT HERE’S WHAT I ALWAYS POINT OUT TO PEOPLE. OUT TO PEOPLE. IF THIS WAS SUCH A GOOD DEAL, IF IF THIS WAS SUCH A GOOD DEAL, IF THIS WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, THIS WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, WHY DID YOU SEAL IT AND KEEP IT WHY DID YOU SEAL IT AND KEEP IT SECRET? SECRET? I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY ANYBODY I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY ANYBODY HASN’T FORCED HIM TO ANSWER THAT HASN’T FORCED HIM TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. QUESTION. THEY SAY WELL, THE GIRLS DIDN’T THEY SAY WELL, THE GIRLS DIDN’T WANT TO COOPERATE AND THEIR WANT TO COOPERATE AND THEIR STORIES WERE DIFFERENT OR THERE STORIES WERE DIFFERENT OR THERE ARE OTHER REASONS. ARE OTHER REASONS. BUT OKAY. BUT OKAY. THEN WHY DID YOU SEAL IT AND THEN WHY DID YOU SEAL IT AND MAKE THEM FIGHT FOR ALMOST A MAKE THEM FIGHT FOR ALMOST A YEAR, THE GOVERNMENT FOUGHT THEM YEAR, THE GOVERNMENT FOUGHT THEM AND WOULDN’T EVEN GIVE THEM THE AND WOULDN’T EVEN GIVE THEM THE AGREEMENT. AGREEMENT. IT’S BAFFLING THAT THEY COULD IT’S BAFFLING THAT THEY COULD JUSTIFY THIS BY SAYING ALL THESE JUSTIFY THIS BY SAYING ALL THESE REASONS, BUT IN REALITY THE REASONS, BUT IN REALITY THE REASON IS THEY KEPT IT FROM REASON IS THEY KEPT IT FROM THEM. THEM.>>IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO>>IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO ASK HIM THOSE QUESTIONS.