Barr discusses Jeffrey Epstein case with media


KEVIN’S ROLE –>>Trace: WE HAVE TO CUT YOU OFF. BREAKING NEWS COMING IN. WILLIAM BARR SPEAKING ABOUT THE JEFFERY EPSTEIN CASE. LET’S LISTEN TO THIS.>>A NUMBER OF THEM REQUIRED HAVING UNION REPRESENTATIVES AND LAWYERS BEFORE WE COULD SCHEDULE INTERVIEWS. HOWEVER, WE’RE MOVING EXPEDITIOUSLY. SOON I’LL BE IN A POSITION TO REPORT TO CONGRESS AND THE PUBLIC THE RESULTS. I WILL SAY THAT AS I SAID BEFORE, WE HAVE FOUND SERIOUS IRREGULARITIES AT THE CENTER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I HAVE SEEN NOTHING THAT HAVE UNDERCUTS THE FINDING OF THE MEDICAL EXAMINER THAT THIS WAS A SUICIDE.>>[QUESTION INAUDIBLE]>>WELL, EPSTEIN’S DEATH, I THINK WE WILL SEE WAS A SUICIDE. I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME IRREGULARITIES AT THE CENTER. BUT I HAVE BROUGHT IN KATHY HAWK SAWYER TO RUN THE BUREAU OF PRISONS. I WORKED CLOSELY WITH HER WHEN I WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL 27 YEARS AGO. I APPOINTED HER AS THE DIRECTOR OF THE BUREAU. SHE DID AND OUTSTANDING JOB AT BUREAU. I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE SHE’LL ADDRESS ANY MANAGEMENT OR OPERATIONAL DEFICIENCIES AT THE BUREAU. GO AHEAD.>>[QUESTION INAUDIBLE]>>DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA –>>YES, I HAVE AN IDEA. THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN CONSULTING BROADLY PARTICULARLY WITH MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND THE LEADERSHIP ON THE HILL. WHEN CONGRESS RETURNS FROM RECESS, I EXPECT THAT THE ADMINISTRATION AS WELL AS

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>>WHAT A STORY. AARON BASKERVILLE FROM NBC 10 ON AARON BASKERVILLE FROM NBC 10 ON THE PHONE WITH US FROM THE SCENE THE PHONE WITH US FROM THE SCENE IN PHILADELPHIA. IN PHILADELPHIA.>>>ALL RIGHT.>>>ALL RIGHT. TURNING NOW TO A NEW LAW THAT TURNING NOW TO A NEW LAW THAT JUST WENT INTO A EFFECT IN NEW JUST WENT INTO A EFFECT IN NEW YORK STATE. YORK STATE. STARTING TODAY, CHILDHOOD STARTING TODAY, CHILDHOOD VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE CAN SUE VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE CAN SUE THERAPY PERPETRATORS. THERAPY PERPETRATORS. THE LAW, THE CHILD VICTIMS ACT THE LAW, THE CHILD VICTIMS ACT APPLIES TO VICTIMS WHO WERE APPLIES TO VICTIMS WHO WERE PREVIOUSLY BARRED FROM SUING DUE PREVIOUSLY BARRED FROM SUING DUE TO THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS. TO THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS. THE LAW GIVES VICTIMS ONE YEAR THE LAW GIVES VICTIMS ONE YEAR TO FILE THOSE CASES STARTING TO FILE THOSE CASES STARTING TODAY. TODAY. AS OF THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS AS OF THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS TODAY, 427 CASES WERE FILED TODAY, 427 CASES WERE FILED PURSUANT TO THE CHILD VICTIMS PURSUANT TO THE CHILD VICTIMS ACT. ACT. ACCORDING TO A TALLY BY NBC ACCORDING TO A TALLY BY NBC NEWS. NEWS. THE DEFENDANTS IN THOSE LAWSUITS THE DEFENDANTS IN THOSE LAWSUITS INCLUDE THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INCLUDE THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, THE BOY SCOUTS, AND THE CHURCH, THE BOY SCOUTS, AND THE LATE JEFFREY EPSTEIN. LATE JEFFREY EPSTEIN.>>I JUST DID WHAT HE TOLD ME TO>>I JUST DID WHAT HE TOLD ME TO DO. DO. I WAS REALLY SCARED. I WAS REALLY SCARED. I DIDN’T NECESSARILY THINK HE I DIDN’T NECESSARILY THINK HE WAS GOING TO RAPE ME. WAS GOING TO RAPE ME.>>DID HE HOLD YOU THERE?>>DID HE HOLD YOU THERE?>>YEAH.>>YEAH. UH-HUH. UH-HUH.>>DID JEFFREY EPSTEIN RAPE YOU?>>DID JEFFREY EPSTEIN RAPE YOU?>>YEAH, NO.>>YEAH, NO. HE RAPED ME. HE RAPED ME. FORCEFULLY RAPED ME. FORCEFULLY RAPED ME. KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING. KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING.>>TODAY THAT INDIVIDUAL,>>TODAY THAT INDIVIDUAL, GENERAL ARAOZ FILED ONE OF THE GENERAL ARAOZ FILED ONE OF THE FIRST CIVIL LAWSUITS AGAINST THE FIRST CIVIL LAWSUITS AGAINST THE ESTATE OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN SAYING ESTATE OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN SAYING HE RAPED HER WHEN SHE WAS 15 HE RAPED HER WHEN SHE WAS 15 YEARS OLD AND ALLEGING HIS YEARS OLD AND ALLEGING HIS CO-CONSPIRATORS GROOMED HER FOR CO-CONSPIRATORS GROOMED HER FOR SEX WHEN SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD AS SEX WHEN SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD AS PART OF HIS SEX TRAFFICKING PART OF HIS SEX TRAFFICKING RING. RING. THE CO-CONSPIRATORS ALLEGED IN THE CO-CONSPIRATORS ALLEGED IN THE LAWSUIT INCLUDE GHISLAINE THE LAWSUIT INCLUDE GHISLAINE MAXWELL, MR. EPSTEIN’S LONG-TIME MAXWELL, MR. EPSTEIN’S LONG-TIME CONFIDENT AND JANE DOES ONE CONFIDENT AND JANE DOES ONE THROUGH THREE WHO ARE THREE THROUGH THREE WHO ARE THREE UNNAMED HOUSEHOLD STAFFERS UNNAMED HOUSEHOLD STAFFERS REFERRED TO IN THE LAWSUIT AS REFERRED TO IN THE LAWSUIT AS THE RECRUITER, THE SECRETARY, THE RECRUITER, THE SECRETARY, AND THE MAID. AND THE MAID. ADDITIONAL CIVIL SUITS AGAINST ADDITIONAL CIVIL SUITS AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S ESTATE ARE JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S ESTATE ARE LIKELY. LIKELY. DESPITE HIS DEATH, THE CRIMINAL DESPITE HIS DEATH, THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION INTO HIS ALLEGED INVESTIGATION INTO HIS ALLEGED CO-CONSPIRATORS IS ONGOING. CO-CONSPIRATORS IS ONGOING. THAT CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION BY THAT CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IS OVERSEEN BY THE JUSTICE YORK IS OVERSEEN BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND ATTORNEY GENERAL DEPARTMENT AND ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR. WILLIAM BARR. OUR NEXT GUEST, FORMER U.S. OUR NEXT GUEST, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY JOYCE VANCE HAS CALLED ATTORNEY JOYCE VANCE HAS CALLED ON BARR TO RECUSE HIMSELF WITH ON BARR TO RECUSE HIMSELF WITH REGARD TO THE EPSTEIN REGARD TO THE EPSTEIN INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION. JOYCE VANCE IS ALSO AN MSNBC JOYCE VANCE IS ALSO AN MSNBC LEGAL ANALYST. LEGAL ANALYST. SHE JOINS US NOW. SHE JOINS US NOW. JOYCE, WHAT’S THE BASIS ON WHICH JOYCE, WHAT’S THE BASIS ON WHICH YOU ARE CALLING FOR WILLIAM BARR YOU ARE CALLING FOR WILLIAM BARR TO RECUSE HIMSELF? TO RECUSE HIMSELF?>>SO I SHOULD BE CLEAR, ALI>>SO I SHOULD BE CLEAR, ALI THAT I DON’T MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT I DON’T MAKE THE ARGUMENT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT BARR IS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT BARR IS ACTUALLY GOING TO RECUSE. ACTUALLY GOING TO RECUSE. I THINK THE SAD REALITY HERE IS I THINK THE SAD REALITY HERE IS THAT HE WON’T, BUT THE REASON HE THAT HE WON’T, BUT THE REASON HE SHOULD RECUSE IS BECAUSE HE HAS SHOULD RECUSE IS BECAUSE HE HAS BOTH CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, BOTH CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, CONFLICTS THAT HE HAS APPARENTLY CONFLICTS THAT HE HAS APPARENTLY DECIDED DON’T WARRANT RECUSAL, DECIDED DON’T WARRANT RECUSAL, BUT ALSO THOSE CONFLICTS GIVE BUT ALSO THOSE CONFLICTS GIVE RISE TO AN APPEARANCE OF RISE TO AN APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY. IMPROPRIETY. THAT MEANS THAT PEOPLE IN THE THAT MEANS THAT PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC CAN’T HAVE CONFIDENCE PUBLIC CAN’T HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT HE’S A NEUTRAL THAT HE’S A NEUTRAL DECISION-MAKER. DECISION-MAKER. AND WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE LIKE AND WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE LIKE THAT IN A POSITION OF CONTROL THAT IN A POSITION OF CONTROL OVER AN IMPORTANT INVESTIGATION OVER AN IMPORTANT INVESTIGATION LIKE THE ONE INTO EPSTEIN’S LIKE THE ONE INTO EPSTEIN’S DEATH AND THE ONGOING CRIMINAL DEATH AND THE ONGOING CRIMINAL CASES, IT CAUSES THE PUBLIC TO CASES, IT CAUSES THE PUBLIC TO LOSE CONFIDENCE IN THE JUSTICE LOSE CONFIDENCE IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. DEPARTMENT. DOJ’S ALREADY STRETCHED TOO DOJ’S ALREADY STRETCHED TOO THIN. THIN. WE CAN’T AFFORD TO HAVE ANY MORE WE CAN’T AFFORD TO HAVE ANY MORE LOSS IN ITS REMGS AND INTEGRITY. LOSS IN ITS REMGS AND INTEGRITY.>>WHAT’S THE CONFLICT THAT YOU>>WHAT’S THE CONFLICT THAT YOU SEE THAT HE’S GOT? SEE THAT HE’S GOT?>>YOU KNOW, HE HAS A NUMBER OF>>YOU KNOW, HE HAS A NUMBER OF CONFLICTS STARTING WITH THE FACT CONFLICTS STARTING WITH THE FACT THAT AT HIS CONFIRMATION HEARING THAT AT HIS CONFIRMATION HEARING HE INDICATED THAT HIS FORMER LAW HE INDICATED THAT HIS FORMER LAW FIRM HAD DONE SOME WORK ON FIRM HAD DONE SOME WORK ON BEHALF OF EPSTEIN, AND HE WOULD BEHALF OF EPSTEIN, AND HE WOULD LOOK INTO WHETHER THAT WARRANTED LOOK INTO WHETHER THAT WARRANTED RECUSAL. RECUSAL. BUT ALSO, ALEX ACOSTA, HIS BUT ALSO, ALEX ACOSTA, HIS FORMER COLLEAGUE, THE FORMER FORMER COLLEAGUE, THE FORMER LABOR SECRETARY WAS INVOLVED IN LABOR SECRETARY WAS INVOLVED IN THE PLEA AGREEMENT DOWN IN THE PLEA AGREEMENT DOWN IN FLORIDA FOR ACOSTA, WHICH HAS FLORIDA FOR ACOSTA, WHICH HAS CAUSED SO MUCH CONCERN. CAUSED SO MUCH CONCERN. THEIR RELATIONSHIP CERTAINLY IS THEIR RELATIONSHIP CERTAINLY IS SOME FORM OF A CONFLICT. SOME FORM OF A CONFLICT. AND THEN WE HAVE THIS REALLY AND THEN WE HAVE THIS REALLY CURIOUS FAMILY DETAIL THAT THE CURIOUS FAMILY DETAIL THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S FATHER HIRED ATTORNEY GENERAL’S FATHER HIRED A VERY YOUNG JEFFREY EPSTEIN A VERY YOUNG JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHEN HE WAS A COLLEGE DROP-OUT WHEN HE WAS A COLLEGE DROP-OUT TO TEACH CALCULUS AND PHYSICS AT TO TEACH CALCULUS AND PHYSICS AT THE PREP SCHOOL THAT HE WAS THE THE PREP SCHOOL THAT HE WAS THE HEAD MASTER OF IN NEW YORK CITY. HEAD MASTER OF IN NEW YORK CITY. EVEN IF THESE AREN’T A FORMAL EVEN IF THESE AREN’T A FORMAL RECUSAL CONFLICT ISSUE, IN RECUSAL CONFLICT ISSUE, IN COMBINATION, THEY CREATE SUCH AN COMBINATION, THEY CREATE SUCH AN APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY, THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SHOULD HAVE ATTORNEY GENERAL SHOULD HAVE STEPPED AWAY AND LET THE DEPUTY STEPPED AWAY AND LET THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL OR SOMEONE ELSE ATTORNEY GENERAL OR SOMEONE ELSE OVERSEE THIS MATTER. OVERSEE THIS MATTER.>>REPUBLICAN SENATOR BEN SASSE>>REPUBLICAN SENATOR BEN SASSE HAS CALLED UPON THE DEPARTMENT HAS CALLED UPON THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO TAKE THAT DEAL OF JUSTICE TO TAKE THAT DEAL THAT WAS CUT IN FLORIDA, THE ONE THAT WAS CUT IN FLORIDA, THE ONE THAT LED UP THE INVESTIGATION THAT LED UP THE INVESTIGATION INTO THAT REPORTING FROM THE INTO THAT REPORTING FROM THE “MIAMI HERALD” AND RIP IT UP. “MIAMI HERALD” AND RIP IT UP. TELL ME ABOUT THAT. TELL ME ABOUT THAT. IS THAT EVEN DOABLE? IS THAT EVEN DOABLE?>>WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN>>WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN HERE IS A FULL-ON INVESTIGATION HERE IS A FULL-ON INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT HAPPENED, AND PERHAPS INTO WHAT HAPPENED, AND PERHAPS AN INVESTIGATION BY THE OFFICE AN INVESTIGATION BY THE OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. YOU CAN’T REALLY BE THE YOU CAN’T REALLY BE THE GOVERNMENT AND RIP UP A PLEA GOVERNMENT AND RIP UP A PLEA AGREEMENT DOWN THE ROAD IN THE AGREEMENT DOWN THE ROAD IN THE ABSENCE OF VERY UNUSUAL ABSENCE OF VERY UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES. CIRCUMSTANCES.>>BECAUSE THAT AFFECTS YOUR>>BECAUSE THAT AFFECTS YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE OTHER DEALS? ABILITY TO MAKE OTHER DEALS?>>WELL, IT DOES.>>WELL, IT DOES. AND ALSO THE RULES OF CRIMINAL AND ALSO THE RULES OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE VERY STRONGLY FAVOR PROCEDURE VERY STRONGLY FAVOR THE FINALITY OF PLEA AGREEMENTS. THE FINALITY OF PLEA AGREEMENTS. SO YOU CAN’T WALK IN DOWN THE SO YOU CAN’T WALK IN DOWN THE ROAD A DECADE LATER AND SAY I ROAD A DECADE LATER AND SAY I TAKE IT BACK. TAKE IT BACK. BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT IF BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT IF YOU’RE SOMEONE WHO IS ENGAGED IN YOU’RE SOMEONE WHO IS ENGAGED IN CRIMINAL CONDUCT THAT YOU CAN’T CRIMINAL CONDUCT THAT YOU CAN’T BE PROSECUTED. BE PROSECUTED. IN THIS CASE, OTHER FEDERAL IN THIS CASE, OTHER FEDERAL DISTRICTS OR EVEN BY STATE DISTRICTS OR EVEN BY STATE JURISDICTION. JURISDICTION. SO IT’S NOT LIKE THE GOVERNMENT SO IT’S NOT LIKE THE GOVERNMENT IS WITHOUT A WAY OF DEALING WITH IS WITHOUT A WAY OF DEALING WITH THE ERROR THAT WAS MADE IN THE THE ERROR THAT WAS MADE IN THE PLEA AGREEMENT OR WOULD HAVE PLEA AGREEMENT OR WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD EPSTEIN NOT DIED IN BEEN HAD EPSTEIN NOT DIED IN PRISON. PRISON.>>YOU KNOW, USUALLY PROSECUTORS>>YOU KNOW, USUALLY PROSECUTORS WHEN YOU’RE TRYING TO GET WHEN YOU’RE TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY THE HEAD OF SOMETHING SOMEBODY THE HEAD OF SOMETHING WORK YOUR WAY UP, YOU FIND WORK YOUR WAY UP, YOU FIND PEOPLE WHO ARE JUNIOR TO THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE JUNIOR TO THAT PERSON AND GET THEM TO TURN OR PERSON AND GET THEM TO TURN OR GET THEM TO SOMEHOW TESTIFY. GET THEM TO SOMEHOW TESTIFY. NOW IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE NOW IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE JEFFREY EPSTEIN IS GONE, WE HAVE JEFFREY EPSTEIN IS GONE, WE HAVE BEEN HEARING SINCE DAY ONE THAT BEEN HEARING SINCE DAY ONE THAT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS THING. IN THIS THING. DOES THE INVESTIGATION THAT WAS DOES THE INVESTIGATION THAT WAS UNDER WAY WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN, UNDER WAY WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN, DOES THAT DIE AND DOES THAT HAVE DOES THAT DIE AND DOES THAT HAVE TO START AGAIN? TO START AGAIN? AND WHY HASN’T SOMETHING AND WHY HASN’T SOMETHING HAPPENED ALREADY GIVEN THAT WE HAPPENED ALREADY GIVEN THAT WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSISTENTLY PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSISTENTLY REFERRED TO BY THESE ALLEGED REFERRED TO BY THESE ALLEGED VICTIMS? VICTIMS?>>SO IN A FEDERAL CASE, WHEN A>>SO IN A FEDERAL CASE, WHEN A DEFENDANT DIES A CRIMINAL CASE, DEFENDANT DIES A CRIMINAL CASE, THE PROSECUTION COMES TO AN END. THE PROSECUTION COMES TO AN END. THAT’S TRUE EVEN IF EPSTEIN HAD THAT’S TRUE EVEN IF EPSTEIN HAD BEEN CONVICTED AT TRIAL AND THE BEEN CONVICTED AT TRIAL AND THE CASE HAD BEEN ON APPEAL AND HE CASE HAD BEEN ON APPEAL AND HE DIED ON APPEAL. DIED ON APPEAL. THE DEATH OF A DEFENDANT SIGNALS THE DEATH OF A DEFENDANT SIGNALS THE END OF THAT CASE. THE END OF THAT CASE. AS YOU POINT OUT, THOUGH, AS YOU POINT OUT, THOUGH, EPSTEIN WAS CHARGED AS A EPSTEIN WAS CHARGED AS A CO-CONSPIRATOR IN A SEX CO-CONSPIRATOR IN A SEX TRAFFICKING CONSPIRACY. TRAFFICKING CONSPIRACY. PRESUMABLY THAT MEANS THERE ARE PRESUMABLY THAT MEANS THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE CRIMINALLY CULPABLE CRIMINALLY CULPABLE CONSPIRATORS. CONSPIRATORS. AND I EXPECT BASED ON THE AND I EXPECT BASED ON THE STATEMENT MADE BY THE U.S. STATEMENT MADE BY THE U.S. ATTORNEY AND SOUTHERN DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, THAT AT THE POINT OF NEW YORK, THAT AT THE POINT WHERE HE BELIEVES HE HAS WHERE HE BELIEVES HE HAS SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO CONVICT SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO CONVICT THOSE CO-CONSPIRATORS, HE THOSE CO-CONSPIRATORS, HE INTENDS TO MOVE FORWARD EVEN

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I’M BILL HEMMER IN NEW YORK.>>Sandra: I’M SANDRA SMITH. WE’RE LEARNING NEW DETAILS ON THE TIME LINE OF THE DAY. WE’RE LEARNING ONE GUARD OF WAS A SUBSTITUTE. THE OTHER WAS REPORTEDLY NOT EVEN A CORRECTIONS OFFICER. THE NEW YORK POST NOW REPORTING EPSTEIN USED BED SHEETS TO HANG HIMSELF AND LEFT UNATTENDED FOR HOURS.>>Bill: AGENT NOW SEARCHING HIS U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS HOME AS ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BARR VOWS TO FIND ANSWERS ON EPSTEIN’S DEATH.>>I WAS APPALLED AND INDEED THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT WAS AND FRANKLY ANGRY TO LEARN OF THE MCCs FAILURE TO ADEQUATELY SECURE HIS PRISONER. WE ARE NOW LEARNING OF SERIOUS IRREGULARITIES OF THIS FACILITY THAT ARE DEEPLY CONCERNING AND DEMAND A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. THE FBI AND THE OFFICE INSPECTOR GENERAL ARE DOING JUST THAT. WE WILL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT HAPPENED AND THERE WILL BE ACCOUNTABILITY.>>Sandra: IN MOMENTS WE’LL SPEAK WITH RUDY GIULIANI IN STUDIO. WE BEGIN FIRST WITH BRYAN WITH DETAILS.>>Reporter: JEFFERY EPSTEIN KILLED HIMSELF WITH A BED SHEET WRAPPED AROUND HIS NECK TIDE — TIED TO THE BUNK GED AND HE KNEELED TO THE FLOOR AND STRANGLED HIMSELF WITH THE SHEET AND FOUND UNRESPONSIVE AT THE METROPOLITAN CORRECTIONAL CENTER SATURDAY. THE QUESTION IS HOW IS A HIGH-PROFILE INMATE LIKE EPSTEIN AT A FACILITY KNOWN FOR TIGHT SECURITY. EPSTEIN DID NOT HAVE A CELL MIGHT THAT NIGHT WHICH IS UNUSUAL TAKEN OFF SUICIDE WATCH. IT’S VERY RARE FON AN INMATE TO BE ON SUICIDE WATCH AND HIS PROFILE KEPT HIM IN THE SPECIAL HOUSING UNIT WHICH MAY HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND HIS DEATH.>>THE AVERAGE PERSON IS PLACED IN THE GENERAL POPULATION AFTER A SUICIDE WATCH. THE CHIEF PSYCHOLOGIST IN CONSULTATION WITH THE WARDEN DETERMINES HE’S NO LONGER A RISK AND THEY SAY OKAY BACK TO POPULATION. THERE’S ACTIVITIES PROGRAM, MORE ACCESS TO MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND CASE COUNSELLORS. THAT’S THE OPTIMAL SITUATION.>>WE KNOW EPSTEIN WAS NOT CHECKED ON SEVERAL HOURS PRIOR TO DEATH WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF NORMAL OPERATIONS CALLING FOR CHECK EVERY 30 MINUTES. THE UNION REPRESENTING TWO OF THE GUARDS RESPONSIBLE FOR WATCHING HE UNIT SAID THE GUARD OVERWORKED. ONE WORKED OVER 80 HOURS AND ONE VOLUNTEERED BECAUSE THE MCC HAS BEEN SHORT STAFFED FOR YEARS. TH “THE NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTS ONE WAS NOT EVEN AN OFFICER. AGE ERNTS — AGENTS ARRIVED TO SEARCH HIS PRIVATE ISLAND SHOWING THEY’RE STILL INVESTIGATING HIS SEX TRAFFICKING NETWORK WHICH MAY INCLUDE HIS FORMER DESCRIBED AS EPSTEIN’S ACCUSERS KNOWN AS HIS MADAME AND ARRANGING SEX WITH UNDERAGE GIRLS. LAWYERS FOR HIS ACCUSERS ARE NOW ASKING A FEDERAL JUDGE TO

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ALTHOUGH SHE WAS NOT ON HIS PAYROLL, HE HELPED ORGANIZING PAYROLL, HE HELPED ORGANIZING HIS LIFE AND CALLING HER “HIS HIS LIFE AND CALLING HER “HIS BEST FRIEND.” BEST FRIEND.”>>LET’S BRING IN TOM WINTER AND>>LET’S BRING IN TOM WINTER AND OUR STEVE EATON. OUR STEVE EATON. TOM, TO YOU FIRST. TOM, TO YOU FIRST. REVELATIONS IN EACH COURT REVELATIONS IN EACH COURT DOCUMENTS OF MAXWELL, WHAT DID DOCUMENTS OF MAXWELL, WHAT DID THEY CONFIRM THAT WE DID NOT THEY CONFIRM THAT WE DID NOT KNOW ALREADY? KNOW ALREADY? THIS IS THE DAUGHTER O F A THIS IS THE DAUGHTER O F A SWINDLER AND A CON MAN WHEN HER SWINDLER AND A CON MAN WHEN HER FATHER ROBERT MAXWELL DIED FATHER ROBERT MAXWELL DIED MYSTERIOUSLY MYSTERIOUSLY MYSTERIOUSLY FOUND NAKED ALL OF MYSTERIOUSLY FOUND NAKED ALL OF HIS YACHT. HIS YACHT. HE OWNED OVER 40 BANKS. HE OWNED OVER 40 BANKS. $4 BILLION. $4 BILLION. HOW DID HESHE ROLL WITH SOME OF HOW DID HESHE ROLL WITH SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN THE THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD AND NOW NO ONE KNOWS WHERE WORLD AND NOW NO ONE KNOWS WHERE SHE IS. SHE IS. HOW CAN SHE AFFORD LIVING OFF HOW CAN SHE AFFORD LIVING OFF THE GRID? THE GRID? I CAN’T. I CAN’T.>>GETTING INTO THE MAXWELL’S>>GETTING INTO THE MAXWELL’S FINANCES AND GETTING INTO THE FINANCES AND GETTING INTO THE EXACT QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED, EXACT QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED, HOW IS SHE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO HOW IS SHE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO THIS OR AFFORD TO LIVE IN THIS THIS OR AFFORD TO LIVE IN THIS WORLD. WORLD. WE KNOW FROM SOME OF THE WE KNOW FROM SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT JEFFERY EPSTEIN DOCUMENTS THAT JEFFERY EPSTEIN BOUGHT HER A HELICOPTER AND SHE BOUGHT HER A HELICOPTER AND SHE FLEW THAT HELICOPTER AND SO WHEN FLEW THAT HELICOPTER AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS. YOU LOOK AT THIS. YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, HOW DID SHE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN HOW DID SHE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THIS LIFESTYLE AND HOW MUCH OF THIS LIFESTYLE AND HOW MUCH OF THAT AND HOW MUCH OF THOSE MEANS THAT AND HOW MUCH OF THOSE MEANS CAME FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN AND CAME FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN AND HOW MUCH WAS MONEY SHE MAY HAVE HOW MUCH WAS MONEY SHE MAY HAVE HAD THAT COULD HAVE BEEN HAD THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SEPARATE FROM HER FATHER. SEPARATE FROM HER FATHER. THE WHOLE THING IS A MYSTERY. THE WHOLE THING IS A MYSTERY. IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE GETS IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE GETS INTO EPSTEIN’S WORLD. INTO EPSTEIN’S WORLD. IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE STAYED IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE STAYED THIS IN WORLD. THIS IN WORLD. SHE HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT OF SHE HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT OF CHELSEA CLINTON’S WEDDING. CHELSEA CLINTON’S WEDDING. HOW DID SHE STAY IN THIS MIX AND HOW DID SHE STAY IN THIS MIX AND TRAVEL IN THESE CIRCLES AND TRAVEL IN THESE CIRCLES AND WHERE DID THINGS GO NEXT FOR WHERE DID THINGS GO NEXT FOR HER? HER?>>NO AUTHORITIES KNOW AND THEY>>NO AUTHORITIES KNOW AND THEY HAVE NOT TOLD US? HAVE NOT TOLD US?>>IT IS NOT A QUESTION THEY>>IT IS NOT A QUESTION THEY WOULD DIVLULGE TO US. WOULD DIVLULGE TO US. NOBODY HAVE SEEN HER OR HEARD NOBODY HAVE SEEN HER OR HEARD FROM HER FOR A LONG TIME. FROM HER FOR A LONG TIME. WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HER WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HER ATTORNEYS NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. ATTORNEYS NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. WHEN WE DO THIS STORY AND WE WHEN WE DO THIS STORY AND WE TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY IN THEIR ACTIONS, IT IS THEIR IN THEIR ACTIONS, IT IS THEIR POLICIES HERE AND WE TRY TO POLICIES HERE AND WE TRY TO REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON AND REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON AND THAT PARTY BECAUSE THAT’S THE THAT PARTY BECAUSE THAT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. RIGHT THING TO DO. WE WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. WE WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. IF MAXWELL IS STILL SOLICITING, IF MAXWELL IS STILL SOLICITING, WE KNOW OUR NUMBERS AND WE HAVE WE KNOW OUR NUMBERS AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO REACH YOU AND WE BEEN TRYING TO REACH YOU AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THOSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU REFERENCED ON DOCUMENTS THAT YOU REFERENCED ON FRIDAY. FRIDAY.>>STEVE, NOW WHAT HE’S DEAD,>>STEVE, NOW WHAT HE’S DEAD, ALL THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING ALL THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO WHETHER IT IS GHISLAINE INTO WHETHER IT IS GHISLAINE MAXWELL’S MONEY OR TO DEUTSCHE MAXWELL’S MONEY OR TO DEUTSCHE BANK, WHERE DO THOSE BANK, WHERE DO THOSE INVESTIGATIONS GO? INVESTIGATIONS GO? DO THEY DIE AWAY WITH HIM? DO THEY DIE AWAY WITH HIM?>>THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT>>THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE. HERE. THERE IS MONEY MOVING LEFT AND THERE IS MONEY MOVING LEFT AND RIGHT AND TRANSACTIONS DATING RIGHT AND TRANSACTIONS DATING BACK MANY YEARS. BACK MANY YEARS. THESE ARE MANY MILLIONS OF THESE ARE MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MOVING AROUND. DOLLARS MOVING AROUND. THE BANKS ARE SERPTCERTAINLY LOO THE BANKS ARE SERPTCERTAINLY LOO AT THEIR OWN RECORDS AND THERE AT THEIR OWN RECORDS AND THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE AS IT IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE AS IT RELATE TO THE MONEY. RELATE TO THE MONEY.>>IT WAS JUST REPORTED MOMENTS>>IT WAS JUST REPORTED MOMENTS AGO. AGO. WEXNER WAS THE ONLY SOURCE FOR WEXNER WAS THE ONLY SOURCE FOR EPSTEIN TO GET AS WEALTHY AS HE EPSTEIN TO GET AS WEALTHY AS HE DID. DID. WEXNER GAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY WEXNER GAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY WHICH WAS UNHEARD OF OVER HIS WHICH WAS UNHEARD OF OVER HIS BILLION DOLLARS FORTUNE. BILLION DOLLARS FORTUNE. WEXNER IS NOW IN THE LAST FEW WEXNER IS NOW IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS WORKING WITH AUTHORITIES. MONTHS WORKING WITH AUTHORITIES. WHY DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WHY DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IF YOU ARE LES WEXNER AND IF YOU ARE LES WEXNER AND EPSTEIN STOLE TENS OF MILLIONS EPSTEIN STOLE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM YOU OVER A OF DOLLARS FROM YOU OVER A DECADE AGO, WHY WOULD YOU WORK DECADE AGO, WHY WOULD YOU WORK WITH AUTHORITIES THEN. WITH AUTHORITIES THEN.>>MR. WEXNER REVEALED HE’S BEEN>>MR. WEXNER REVEALED HE’S BEEN A VICTIM OF FINANCIAL. A VICTIM OF FINANCIAL. MR. EPSTEIN HAD THIS AFFILIATION MR. EPSTEIN HAD THIS AFFILIATION WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS. WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS. SO THAT RAISES QUESTION. SO THAT RAISES QUESTION. WHY AUTHORITIES WERE NOT CALLED WHY AUTHORITIES WERE NOT CALLED IN BACK IN 2007, AT THE TIME IT IN BACK IN 2007, AT THE TIME IT WAS DISCOVERED. WAS DISCOVERED.>>HAD WEXNER GIVEN AN ANSWER TO>>HAD WEXNER GIVEN AN ANSWER TO THAT? THAT?>>IF I WALK INTO VICTORIA’S>>IF I WALK INTO VICTORIA’S SECRET RIGHT NOW AND STOLE A SECRET RIGHT NOW AND STOLE A BRA, I WOULD GET ARRESTED. BRA, I WOULD GET ARRESTED.>>WHY WOULD WEXNER NOT CALL>>WHY WOULD WEXNER NOT CALL AUTHORITIES WHEN EPSTEIN STOLE 6 AUTHORITIES WHEN EPSTEIN STOLE 6 BILLION BUCKS FROM HIM AT LEAST. BILLION BUCKS FROM HIM AT LEAST.>>WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME>>WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY, ROUGHLY A AMOUNT OF MONEY, ROUGHLY A $100 MILLION RECRUITED BACK AS $100 MILLION RECRUITED BACK AS PART OF THIS BUT THERE HAS NOT PART OF THIS BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN A FULL AREA ON THAT ASPECT. BEEN A FULL AREA ON THAT ASPECT.>>WILL THERE BE A LEGAL REASON>>WILL THERE BE A LEGAL REASON TO GET THESE ANSWERS FROM THE TO GET THESE ANSWERS FROM THE LIKES OF WEXNER. LIKES OF WEXNER. OBVIOUSLY REPORTERS ARE OBVIOUSLY REPORTERS ARE INTERESTED. INTERESTED. LES WEXNER DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE LES WEXNER DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE OUR CALLS. OUR CALLS. ARE THERE GOING TO BE DEMANDS OR ARE THERE GOING TO BE DEMANDS OR INCREASES FROM THE GOVERNMENT INCREASES FROM THE GOVERNMENT NOW THAT EPSTEIN IS DEAD. NOW THAT EPSTEIN IS DEAD.>>ONE IS FROM A CIVIL>>ONE IS FROM A CIVIL STANDPOINT FOR THE VICTIMS WHEN STANDPOINT FOR THE VICTIMS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THEM GETTING WE TALK ABOUT THEM GETTING JUSTICE. JUSTICE. SOME OF THESE FIGURES MAY HAVE SOME OF THESE FIGURES MAY HAVE FUNDED EPSTEIN AND IF THAT MONEY FUNDED EPSTEIN AND IF THAT MONEY AND ANY MONEY THAT WENT TO AND ANY MONEY THAT WENT TO EPSTEIN TO FUND THIS CONSPIRACY EPSTEIN TO FUND THIS CONSPIRACY THAT IT WAS BEING CHARGED WITH, THAT IT WAS BEING CHARGED WITH, THAT’S SOMETHING THAT THAT’S SOMETHING THAT PROSECUTORS COULD BE INTEREST PROSECUTORS COULD BE INTEREST IN. IN. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY CAME IN AND KEEP AN EYE MONEY CAME IN AND KEEP AN EYE ON. ON. FOR THE LAST FOOIIVE YEARS, THEY FOR THE LAST FOOIIVE YEARS, THEY HAD BANKING RECORDS. HAD BANKING RECORDS. IF EARNINGS DISCLOSE THAT IN IF EARNINGS DISCLOSE THAT IN PUBLIC FILINGS. PUBLIC FILINGS.>>WOULD IT BE EASIER TO GET>>WOULD IT BE EASIER TO GET SOME OF THIS INFORMATION NOW SOME OF THIS INFORMATION NOW THAT HE’S DEAD? THAT HE’S DEAD?>>IF I AM EPSTEIN’S LAWYER, I>>IF I AM EPSTEIN’S LAWYER, I AM NOT GELTTTING PAID BY HIM AS AM NOT GELTTTING PAID BY HIM AS SATURDAYS. SATURDAYS.>>SOME OF THOSE ATTORNEYS MAY>>SOME OF THOSE ATTORNEYS MAY BE MANAGING HIS ESTATE. BE MANAGING HIS ESTATE. FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THE BORA FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THE BORA KIMABLES KIMABLES BILLABLES KEEP GOING BECAUSE BILLABLES KEEP GOING BECAUSE THEY ARE MANAGING ON STATE. THEY ARE MANAGING ON STATE. WE ARE REPORTING HERE — WE ARE REPORTING HERE –>>EPSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS?>>EPSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS?>>IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT THE>>IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT THE ESTATE WOULD SUE MCC. ESTATE WOULD SUE MCC. DANNY DANNY DANNY CEVALLOS BROUGHT UP A DANNY CEVALLOS BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT BEFORE. GREAT POINT BEFORE. IRREGULARITYIES OF THIS FACILITY IRREGULARITYIES OF THIS FACILITY>>HOLD ON, IRREGULARITIES THAT>>HOLD ON, IRREGULARITIES THAT ALLOWED HIM TO HAVE THE ALLOWED HIM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KILL HIMSELF. OPPORTUNITY TO KILL HIMSELF.>>THE POSSIBILITY DOES EXIST.>>THE POSSIBILITY DOES EXIST. IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. TO CONSIDER. I DON’T THINK THE IDEA THAT WE I DON’T THINK THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE THIS BUTTON UP BY THE END HAVE THIS BUTTON UP BY THE END OF THE WEEK AND HOW IT IS OF THE WEEK AND HOW IT IS EXECUTED IN THE STATE. EXECUTED IN THE STATE. IT IS COMPLICATED AND DEFINITELY IT IS COMPLICATED AND DEFINITELY GOING TO BE KEEP TRACK OF. GOING TO BE KEEP TRACK OF. THE CIVIL ATTORNEYS DEFINITELY THE CIVIL ATTORNEYS DEFINITELY HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS. HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS. THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO GET THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO GET FINANCIAL JUSTICE FROM JEFFERY FINANCIAL JUSTICE FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN.>>STEVE, IF I AM DEUTSCHE BANK>>STEVE, IF I AM DEUTSCHE BANK OR JP MORGAN AND IP AM WATCHING OR JP MORGAN AND IP AM WATCHING THE CLOCK, THIS GUY IS GOING TO THE CLOCK, THIS GUY IS GOING TO HAVE A TRIAL DATE A YEAR FROM HAVE A TRIAL DATE A YEAR FROM NOW, I AM GOING TO CALL TO BE NOW, I AM GOING TO CALL TO BE TESTIFY, ARE ALL THOSE PARTIES

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>>>THIS MORNING THERE ARE MORE>>>THIS MORNING THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. A WHOLE LOT MORE IN THE CASE A WHOLE LOT MORE IN THE CASE AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS APPARENT SUICIDE IN A MANHATTAN APPARENT SUICIDE IN A MANHATTAN JAIL OVER THE WEEKEND. JAIL OVER THE WEEKEND. HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THE REPORTER WHO BROKE QUESTIONS THE REPORTER WHO BROKE THIS STORY WIDE OPEN AND PUT THIS STORY WIDE OPEN AND PUT EPSTEIN BACK INTO THE EPSTEIN BACK INTO THE SPOTLIGHT, “MIAMI HERALD’S” SPOTLIGHT, “MIAMI HERALD’S” JULIE K. BROWN, FORMER FEDERAL JULIE K. BROWN, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR AND PROFESSOR AT PROSECUTOR AND PROFESSOR AT GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL PAUL GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL PAUL BUTLER AND CAMERON LINDSAY WHO BUTLER AND CAMERON LINDSAY WHO SERVED AS A FEDERAL PRISON SERVED AS A FEDERAL PRISON WARDEN AND SPECIFICALLY WORKED WARDEN AND SPECIFICALLY WORKED AT MULTIPLE FACILITIES INCLUDING AT MULTIPLE FACILITIES INCLUDING THE SISTER FACILITY OF WHERE THE SISTER FACILITY OF WHERE EPSTEIN WAS. EPSTEIN WAS. CAMERON, YOU KNOW I NEED ANSWERS CAMERON, YOU KNOW I NEED ANSWERS TO HOW THIS JAIL WORKS. TO HOW THIS JAIL WORKS. BUT JULIE, I HAVE TO GO TO YOU BUT JULIE, I HAVE TO GO TO YOU FIRST. FIRST. WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUT HIS DEATH? HEARD ABOUT HIS DEATH?>>I JUST COULDN’T BELIEVE IT.>>I JUST COULDN’T BELIEVE IT. I MEAN, I GOT A PHONE CALL AND I I MEAN, I GOT A PHONE CALL AND I SAID, NO. SAID, NO. YOU KNOW, THAT CAN’T BE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THAT CAN’T BE RIGHT. I THINK EVERYBODY HAD THE SAME I THINK EVERYBODY HAD THE SAME REACTION. REACTION. HOW COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? HOW COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? GIVEN THE FACT THAT HE ALLEGEDLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT HE ALLEGEDLY TRIED SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TWO TRIED SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THIS? WEEKS PRIOR TO THIS? EVERYBODY THOUGHT THE SAME EVERYBODY THOUGHT THE SAME THING. THING. WASN’T HE UNDER SUICIDE WATCH? WASN’T HE UNDER SUICIDE WATCH? HOW COULD SOMEBODY ON SUICIDE HOW COULD SOMEBODY ON SUICIDE WATCH COMMIT SUICIDE? WATCH COMMIT SUICIDE? WE NOW KNOW THAT HE SOMEHOW WE NOW KNOW THAT HE SOMEHOW MANIPULATED THINGS SO THAT HE MANIPULATED THINGS SO THAT HE GOT OFF OF SUICIDE WATCH SO EVEN GOT OFF OF SUICIDE WATCH SO EVEN SO — SO –>>DO YOU THINK HE MANIPULATED>>DO YOU THINK HE MANIPULATED THINGS TO GET OFF SUICIDE WATCH? THINGS TO GET OFF SUICIDE WATCH?>>YES, I DO.>>YES, I DO. I DO. I DO. BECAUSE OF HIS HISTORY. BECAUSE OF HIS HISTORY. REMEMBER THE WAY HE WAS REMEMBER THE WAY HE WAS INCARCERATED IN FLORIDA, I MEAN, INCARCERATED IN FLORIDA, I MEAN, HE HAD GUARDS WHO WERE LEAVING HE HAD GUARDS WHO WERE LEAVING HIS DOOR OPEN, GUARDS WHO WERE HIS DOOR OPEN, GUARDS WHO WERE BRINGING HIM STEW, YOU KNOW, BRINGING HIM STEW, YOU KNOW, GUARDS THAT WERE CUTTING HIS GUARDS THAT WERE CUTTING HIS HAIR. HAIR. HE WAS ALLOWED TO LEAVE EVERY HE WAS ALLOWED TO LEAVE EVERY DAY WITH HIS OWN VALET AND GO TO DAY WITH HIS OWN VALET AND GO TO AN OFFICE. AN OFFICE. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME YOU KNOW, IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME AT ALL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT ALL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMEHOW BEEN ABLE TO MANIPULATE SOMEHOW BEEN ABLE TO MANIPULATE THEM INTO GIVING HIM SOME TIME THEM INTO GIVING HIM SOME TIME TO HIMSELF. TO HIMSELF.>>I KNOW YOU’VE SPOKEN TO SOME>>I KNOW YOU’VE SPOKEN TO SOME OF THE VICTIMS SINCE SATURDAY. OF THE VICTIMS SINCE SATURDAY. HOW ARE THEY PROCESSING THIS? HOW ARE THEY PROCESSING THIS?>>I THINK THEY ARE ALL STILL IN>>I THINK THEY ARE ALL STILL IN SHOCK. SHOCK. YOU KNOW, IT’S A RANGE OF YOU KNOW, IT’S A RANGE OF EMOTIONS. EMOTIONS. IT’S SHOCK, IT’S GRIEF. IT’S SHOCK, IT’S GRIEF. IT’S ANGER REALLY. IT’S ANGER REALLY. THIS IS, REPRESENTS ANOTHER THIS IS, REPRESENTS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CRIMINAL EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, IN PARTICULAR TO JUSTICE SYSTEM, IN PARTICULAR TO WEALTHY MEN WHO SEEM TO BE ABLE WEALTHY MEN WHO SEEM TO BE ABLE TO GET A DIFFERENT KIND OF TO GET A DIFFERENT KIND OF JUSTICE THAN OTHER REGULAR JUSTICE THAN OTHER REGULAR PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY. PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY.>>HOW RELIEVED ARE THEY?>>HOW RELIEVED ARE THEY? WHERE DO ALL OF THESE WHERE DO ALL OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS OR EVEN THE INVESTIGATIONS OR EVEN THE REPORTING GO? REPORTING GO? LET’S SAY MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN LET’S SAY MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN HIS CIRCLE WERE NOT CRIMINALS HIS CIRCLE WERE NOT CRIMINALS AND SEX OFFENDERS LIKE HE WAS. AND SEX OFFENDERS LIKE HE WAS. BUT WHAT IF THEY WERE JUST BUT WHAT IF THEY WERE JUST ABSOLUTE VILE SLEAZE BAGS WHO ABSOLUTE VILE SLEAZE BAGS WHO DIDN’T WANT THE PILOTS TO SAY, DIDN’T WANT THE PILOTS TO SAY, HERE’S WHO’S BEEN ON THE PLANE HERE’S WHO’S BEEN ON THE PLANE TEN TIMES, 15 TIMES? TEN TIMES, 15 TIMES? ARE THOSE PEOPLE DANCING IN THE ARE THOSE PEOPLE DANCING IN THE STREETS? STREETS?>>NO.>>NO. I DON’T THINK SO AT ALL. I DON’T THINK SO AT ALL.>>WHY?>>WHY?>>I THINK THE U.S. PROSECUTOR>>I THINK THE U.S. PROSECUTOR IS GOING TO — THERE ARE A LOT IS GOING TO — THERE ARE A LOT OF DOCUMENTS OUT THERE. OF DOCUMENTS OUT THERE. WE DON’T KNOW COMPLETELY WHAT WE DON’T KNOW COMPLETELY WHAT THE U.S. ATTORNEY HAS BUT HE HAS THE U.S. ATTORNEY HAS BUT HE HAS A BIG PAPER TRAIL. A BIG PAPER TRAIL.>>WILL WE SEE THOSE DOCUMENTS>>WILL WE SEE THOSE DOCUMENTS NOW? NOW?>>I THINK IN TIME.>>I THINK IN TIME. YOU KNOW, WHEN HE BRINGS YOU KNOW, WHEN HE BRINGS INDICTMENTS AND THE CASE GOES TO INDICTMENTS AND THE CASE GOES TO TRIAL. TRIAL. HE WILL PROSECUTE OTHER PEOPLE HE WILL PROSECUTE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS I FEEL CERTAIN INVOLVED IN THIS I FEEL CERTAIN BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE OUT THERE, SOME OF IT, AND IT IS OUT THERE, SOME OF IT, AND IT IS VERY STRONG. VERY STRONG.>>PAUL, WITHIN MINUTES OF>>PAUL, WITHIN MINUTES OF LEARNING OF EPSTEIN’S DEATH THE LEARNING OF EPSTEIN’S DEATH THE INTERNET WAS FLOODED WITH INTERNET WAS FLOODED WITH CONSPIRACY THEORIES. CONSPIRACY THEORIES. THE PRESIDENT EVEN RETWEETING A THE PRESIDENT EVEN RETWEETING A CONSPIRACY THEORY TYING THE CONSPIRACY THEORY TYING THE CLINTONS TO THIS. CLINTONS TO THIS. IT IS NOT JUST — THERE ARE IT IS NOT JUST — THERE ARE CONSPIRACY THEORIES ALL OVER THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES ALL OVER THE PLACE. PLACE. HOW MUCH DOES THAT COMPLICATE HOW MUCH DOES THAT COMPLICATE THINGS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY THINGS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY GETTING JUSTICE HERE? GETTING JUSTICE HERE?>>HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW.>>HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW. WE KNOW MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WE KNOW MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WAS ENABLED BY THE FEDERAL WAS ENABLED BY THE FEDERAL PRISONS. PRISONS. HE WAS UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. HE WAS UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. SUICIDE WATCH. HE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOMEONE ELSE HE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOMEONE ELSE IN THE CELL WITH HIM. IN THE CELL WITH HIM. THAT PERSON WAS MYSTERIOUSLY THAT PERSON WAS MYSTERIOUSLY REMOVED ON FRIDAY. REMOVED ON FRIDAY. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKED HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKED EVERY 30 MINUTES AND APPARENTLY EVERY 30 MINUTES AND APPARENTLY WAS NOT CHECKED FOR HOURS. WAS NOT CHECKED FOR HOURS. SOMETHING BIZARRE WAS GOING ON. SOMETHING BIZARRE WAS GOING ON.>>OKAY.>>OKAY. BESIDES THE MOMENTARY OUTRAGE BESIDES THE MOMENTARY OUTRAGE THAT WE’RE EXPERIENCING TODAY, THAT WE’RE EXPERIENCING TODAY, WHAT — WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT — WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT? THAT?>>SO THE COCONSPIRATORS, MR.>>SO THE COCONSPIRATORS, MR. EPSTEIN’S VAST, CRIMINAL EPSTEIN’S VAST, CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY WAS ENABLED BY OTHER CONSPIRACY WAS ENABLED BY OTHER PEOPLE. PEOPLE. SOMEBODY HAD TO RECRUIT THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO RECRUIT THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. SOMEBODY HAD TO TRAIN THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO TRAIN THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. SOMEBODY HAD TO COERCE THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO COERCE THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. REMEMBER, THE BIZARRE TRAVESTY REMEMBER, THE BIZARRE TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE THAT THE FLORIDA PLEA OF JUSTICE THAT THE FLORIDA PLEA DEAL REPRESENTED SAID THAT THOSE DEAL REPRESENTED SAID THAT THOSE COCONSPIRATORS COULD NOT BE COCONSPIRATORS COULD NOT BE PROSECUTED. PROSECUTED. THANKFULLY THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THANKFULLY THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR NEW YORK, MR. BERMAN, DOES NOT NEW YORK, MR. BERMAN, DOES NOT AGREE WITH THAT. AGREE WITH THAT. HE SHOULD GO AFTER THOSE FOUR HE SHOULD GO AFTER THOSE FOUR COCONSPIRATORS VERY QUICKLY. COCONSPIRATORS VERY QUICKLY.>>HOW ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY?>>HOW ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY? DELAIN MAXWELL HAS BEEN WRITTEN DELAIN MAXWELL HAS BEEN WRITTEN UP OVER AND OVER AS THE UP OVER AND OVER AS THE COCONSPIRATOR, RECRUITER, OFTEN COCONSPIRATOR, RECRUITER, OFTEN THE TRAINER OF MANY OF THESE THE TRAINER OF MANY OF THESE YOUNG GIRLS. YOUNG GIRLS. IT IS REPORTED THEY DON’T EVEN IT IS REPORTED THEY DON’T EVEN KNOW WHERE SHE IS. KNOW WHERE SHE IS. THIS IS A WOMAN WHOSE FATHER THIS IS A WOMAN WHOSE FATHER DIED A SWINDLER, CON MAN, OWING DIED A SWINDLER, CON MAN, OWING OVER 43 BANKS $4 BILLION. OVER 43 BANKS $4 BILLION. A, HOW DID THIS WOMAN MAINTAIN A, HOW DID THIS WOMAN MAINTAIN HER SOCIALITE STATUS AND, B, WHY HER SOCIALITE STATUS AND, B, WHY IS IT THAT PEOPLE STILL DON’T IS IT THAT PEOPLE STILL DON’T KNOW WHERE SHE IS? KNOW WHERE SHE IS? I COULDN’T LIVE OFF THE GRID. I COULDN’T LIVE OFF THE GRID. I DON’T THINK YOU COULD EITHER. I DON’T THINK YOU COULD EITHER.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. I CAN’T REALLY ANSWER THAT I CAN’T REALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. QUESTION. I WOULD HOPE THEY ARE KEEPING I WOULD HOPE THEY ARE KEEPING TRACK OF HER AND THEY SHOULD TRACK OF HER AND THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING WHERE SHE IS HAVE BEEN LOOKING WHERE SHE IS EVERY SECOND. EVERY SECOND. SHE DOES HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP I SHE DOES HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP I UNDERSTAND WITH THE UK AND IS UNDERSTAND WITH THE UK AND IS ALSO ASSOCIATED IN RECENT YEARS ALSO ASSOCIATED IN RECENT YEARS WITH A LOT OF OCEANOGRAPHERS. WITH A LOT OF OCEANOGRAPHERS. SHE HAD A NONPROFIT SHE HAD A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. ORGANIZATION. SO THERE’S ALSO BEEN SOME SO THERE’S ALSO BEEN SOME SPECULATION THAT SHE COULD EVEN SPECULATION THAT SHE COULD EVEN BE ON A SUBMARINE SOMEWHERE IN BE ON A SUBMARINE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN. THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN. WHO KNOWS? WHO KNOWS? I MEAN, SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS I MEAN, SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS PRETTY SHARP THAT SHE WAS ABLE PRETTY SHARP THAT SHE WAS ABLE TO EVADE IT THIS LONG. TO EVADE IT THIS LONG.>>IF BILL BARR WANTS THEM TO>>IF BILL BARR WANTS THEM TO THE FBI CAN FIND THIS WOMAN. THE FBI CAN FIND THIS WOMAN. THE QUESTION IS DOES HE? THE QUESTION IS DOES HE?>>BILL BARR HAS SAID HE IS>>BILL BARR HAS SAID HE IS OUTRAGED. OUTRAGED. CAMERON, TAKE ME INSIDE OF THIS CAMERON, TAKE ME INSIDE OF THIS PRISON. PRISON. IS THERE ANY WAY SOMEONE OTHER IS THERE ANY WAY SOMEONE OTHER THAN EPSTEIN COULD HAVE THAN EPSTEIN COULD HAVE ORCHESTRATED HIS DEATH OR HAD A ORCHESTRATED HIS DEATH OR HAD A HAND IN IT? HAND IN IT? BECAUSE FOR THOSE OF US SITTING BECAUSE FOR THOSE OF US SITTING HERE, IT SIMPLY MAKES NO SENSE. HERE, IT SIMPLY MAKES NO SENSE.>>WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME>>WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS IS JUST A TERRIBLE JUST SAY THIS IS JUST A TERRIBLE EVENT THAT’S HAPPENED. EVENT THAT’S HAPPENED. I THINK IT IS A BLACK EYE ON OUR I THINK IT IS A BLACK EYE ON OUR ENTIRE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM ENTIRE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM FOR THE SAKE OF THE VICTIMS AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE VICTIMS AND UPHOLDING OUR SYSTEMS OF UPHOLDING OUR SYSTEMS OF JUSTICE. JUSTICE. THESE KINDS OF THINGS — THESE KINDS OF THINGS –>>WHAT IF A BLACK GUY IS THE>>WHAT IF A BLACK GUY IS THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS AND THOSE LESSER OF TWO EVILS AND THOSE ARE SAYING, YEP. ARE SAYING, YEP. THIS WILL BE HUMILIATING BUT AT THIS WILL BE HUMILIATING BUT AT LEAST WE’LL GET THIS GUY OUT OF LEAST WE’LL GET THIS GUY OUT OF THE PICTURE BECAUSE HE COULD THE PICTURE BECAUSE HE COULD HURT US WAY MORE THAN A BLACK HURT US WAY MORE THAN A BLACK EYE? EYE?>>THIS IS CERTAINLY GOING TO>>THIS IS CERTAINLY GOING TO FUEL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES. FUEL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES. VERY FRANKLY, IT’S GOING TO BE VERY FRANKLY, IT’S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS UNFOLDS. UNFOLDS. BUT I PREDICT WHAT WE’RE GOING BUT I PREDICT WHAT WE’RE GOING TO SEE IN THE END IS THAT TO SEE IN THE END IS THAT EPSTEIN WAS PROBABLY ABLE TO EPSTEIN WAS PROBABLY ABLE TO CHARM OR MANIPULATE A MENTAL CHARM OR MANIPULATE A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL INTO HEALTH PROFESSIONAL INTO BELIEVING THAT HE WAS NO LONGER BELIEVING THAT HE WAS NO LONGER A THREAT TO HIMSELF AND WAS A THREAT TO HIMSELF AND WAS THEREFORE PULLED OFF THE SUICIDE THEREFORE PULLED OFF THE SUICIDE WATCH. WATCH. PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EPSTEIN PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EPSTEIN SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN A CELL WITH SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN A CELL WITH ANOTHER INMATE TO HELP, PERHAPS, ANOTHER INMATE TO HELP, PERHAPS, KEEP HIM FROM KILLING HIMSELF. KEEP HIM FROM KILLING HIMSELF. I SEE THAT VERY DIFFERENTLY. I SEE THAT VERY DIFFERENTLY. FROM A CORRECTIONAL FROM A CORRECTIONAL ADMINISTRATOR PERSPECTIVE WHEN ADMINISTRATOR PERSPECTIVE WHEN YOU TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE YOU TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHO IS A JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHO IS A CONVICTED PEDOPHILE, WHO IS CONVICTED PEDOPHILE, WHO IS EXTREMELY HIGH PROFILE, A EXTREMELY HIGH PROFILE, A BILLIONAIRE CONNECTED TO BILLIONAIRE CONNECTED TO VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY, TO KILL VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY, TO KILL SOMEBODY, FOR AN INMATE TO KILL SOMEBODY, FOR AN INMATE TO KILL SOMEBODY LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN SOMEBODY LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN VERY FRANKLY WOULD BE A BADGE OF VERY FRANKLY WOULD BE A BADGE OF HONOR. HONOR. IN THE SUB CULTURE OF JAILS AND IN THE SUB CULTURE OF JAILS AND PRISONS THIS IS THE KIND OF GUY PRISONS THIS IS THE KIND OF GUY THAT IS GOING TO BE RIPE TO BE THAT IS GOING TO BE RIPE TO BE TAKEN OUT. TAKEN OUT. I BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN I BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SINGLE CELLED THE ENTIRE TIME. SINGLE CELLED THE ENTIRE TIME. ONCE HE HAD HIS SUICIDE ATTEMPT ONCE HE HAD HIS SUICIDE ATTEMPT IF THIS IS PROVEN, THEN FROM MY IF THIS IS PROVEN, THEN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE HE SHOULD HAVE PERSPECTIVE HE SHOULD HAVE REMAINED ON SUICIDE WATCH THE REMAINED ON SUICIDE WATCH THE ENTIRE TIME HE WAS IN THAT ENTIRE TIME HE WAS IN THAT FACILITY. FACILITY. HE WAS A PRETRIAL, PRESENTENCE HE WAS A PRETRIAL, PRESENTENCE FACILITY. FACILITY. HE THEREFORE WOULD NOT BE ON HE THEREFORE WOULD NOT BE ON SUICIDE WATCH INDEFINITELY. SUICIDE WATCH INDEFINITELY. AS SOON AS HIS CASE WERE TO BE AS SOON AS HIS CASE WERE TO BE ADJUDICATED THE BUREAU OF ADJUDICATED THE BUREAU OF PRISONS WOULD HAVE DESIGNATED PRISONS WOULD HAVE DESIGNATED HIM VERY QUICKLY TO THE HIM VERY QUICKLY TO THE INSTITUTION OF SERVICE OF INSTITUTION OF SERVICE OF SENTENCE MUCH LIKE THEY DID WITH SENTENCE MUCH LIKE THEY DID WITH GUZMAN, SHORTY GUZMAN. GUZMAN, SHORTY GUZMAN. AS SOON AS HIS CASE WAS AS SOON AS HIS CASE WAS ADJUDICATED OFF HE WENT TO THE ADJUDICATED OFF HE WENT TO THE ADX. ADX. THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I SEE THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I SEE WHERE THE AGENCY WENT WRONG VERY WHERE THE AGENCY WENT WRONG VERY FRANKLY. FRANKLY.>>JULIE, WHERE DOES YOUR>>JULIE, WHERE DOES YOUR REPORTING GO FROM HERE? REPORTING GO FROM HERE?>>I’M GOING TO KEEP FOLLOWING>>I’M GOING TO KEEP FOLLOWING THE TRAIL OF EVIDENCE THAT WE’VE THE TRAIL OF EVIDENCE THAT WE’VE DUG UP SO FAR WITH THESE DUG UP SO FAR WITH THESE DOCUMENTS THAT CAME OUT THE DOCUMENTS THAT CAME OUT THE OTHER DAY. OTHER DAY. THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, A LOT OF THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, A LOT OF THREADS TO FOLLOW. THREADS TO FOLLOW. THERE ARE NEW NAMES AS WE KNOW THERE ARE NEW NAMES AS WE KNOW OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLEGED TO OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE WAY OR HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER SO WE’LL START LOOKING I ANOTHER SO WE’LL START LOOKING I THINK CLOSER AT ALL OF THOSE THINK CLOSER AT ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS AND ALSO I THINK DOCUMENTS AND ALSO I THINK EVERYBODY IS HOPING THAT PERHAPS EVERYBODY IS HOPING THAT PERHAPS MORE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THIS MORE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THIS WILL COME FORWARD, MEANING — WILL COME FORWARD, MEANING –>>YOU THINK THEY WILL?>>YOU THINK THEY WILL?>>I DON’T KNOW.>>I DON’T KNOW. YOU KNOW, FIRST I THOUGHT THEY YOU KNOW, FIRST I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH HIM WOULD BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH HIM BEING GONE, MOST OF THEM TOLD ME BEING GONE, MOST OF THEM TOLD ME THEY DIDN’T WANT TO SPEAK THEY DIDN’T WANT TO SPEAK BECAUSE EITHER THEY HAD A BECAUSE EITHER THEY HAD A NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT WITH HIM NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT WITH HIM IF THEY WORKED FOR HIM OR THEY IF THEY WORKED FOR HIM OR THEY WERE AFRAID. WERE AFRAID. NOW WITH HIM GONE I THOUGHT, NOW WITH HIM GONE I THOUGHT, WELL MAYBE NOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WELL MAYBE NOW, YOU KNOW, HOW EFFECTIVE IS THE NONDISCLOSURE EFFECTIVE IS THE NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT GOING TO REALLY BE? AGREEMENT GOING TO REALLY BE? NOW WITH ALL THESE CONSPIRACY NOW WITH ALL THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES FLOATING OUT THERE, THEORIES FLOATING OUT THERE, THEY COULD VERY WELL BE AFRAID

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>>>THIS MORNING A SERIES OF NEW>>>THIS MORNING A SERIES OF NEW REPORTS HAVE FOCUSED ON REPORTS HAVE FOCUSED ON ANSWERING ONE LINGERING QUESTION ANSWERING ONE LINGERING QUESTION IN THE CASE AGAINST JEFFREY IN THE CASE AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN. THE FINANCEER WHO PLED NOT THE FINANCEER WHO PLED NOT GUILTY TO CHARGES OF SEX GUILTY TO CHARGES OF SEX TRAFFICKING OF TEENAGE GIRLS. TRAFFICKING OF TEENAGE GIRLS. HOW ON EARTH DID EPSTEIN MAKE HOW ON EARTH DID EPSTEIN MAKE ALL OF HIS MONEY? ALL OF HIS MONEY? ACCORDING TO THE “NEW YORK ACCORDING TO THE “NEW YORK TIMES” HE HAD DEEP TIES TO SOME TIMES” HE HAD DEEP TIES TO SOME OF WALL STREET’S TOP FIGURES. OF WALL STREET’S TOP FIGURES. “THE TIMES” DETAILS EPSTEIN, “THE TIMES” DETAILS EPSTEIN, QUOTE, LIKED TO PORTRAY HIMSELF QUOTE, LIKED TO PORTRAY HIMSELF AS A FINANCIAL WIZARD, SOMEONE AS A FINANCIAL WIZARD, SOMEONE WHOSE BUSINESS AND INVESTING WHOSE BUSINESS AND INVESTING ACUMEN MADE HIM INDISPENSABLE TO ACUMEN MADE HIM INDISPENSABLE TO CORPORATE EXECUTIVES AND OTHER CORPORATE EXECUTIVES AND OTHER LEADERS BUT THERE IS VERY LITTLE LEADERS BUT THERE IS VERY LITTLE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT NOTION. EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT NOTION. MR. EPSTEIN NONETHELESS MANAGED MR. EPSTEIN NONETHELESS MANAGED TO AFFIX HIMSELF TO A HANDFUL OF TO AFFIX HIMSELF TO A HANDFUL OF PROMINENT WALL STREET VETERANS. PROMINENT WALL STREET VETERANS. MEANWHILE AN ARTICLE IN “VANITY MEANWHILE AN ARTICLE IN “VANITY FAIR” DIVES INTO EPSTEIN’S FAIR” DIVES INTO EPSTEIN’S RELATIONSHIP WITH BILLIONAIRE RELATIONSHIP WITH BILLIONAIRE HEDGE FUND MANAGER GLEN DUBIN HEDGE FUND MANAGER GLEN DUBIN AND HOW EPSTEIN TURNED PERSONAL AND HOW EPSTEIN TURNED PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS INTO MULTIMILLION RELATIONSHIPS INTO MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DEALS FOR HIMSELF. DOLLAR DEALS FOR HIMSELF. WHY EXACTLY THESE WALL STREET WHY EXACTLY THESE WALL STREET VETERANS STAYED BY HIS SIDE FOR VETERANS STAYED BY HIS SIDE FOR SO MANY YEARS. SO MANY YEARS. JOINING ME NOW BILL COEN WHO JOINING ME NOW BILL COEN WHO ALSO DUG INTO EPSTEIN’S WALL ALSO DUG INTO EPSTEIN’S WALL STREET NETWORK. STREET NETWORK. IN HIS MUST READ “VANITY FAIR” IN HIS MUST READ “VANITY FAIR” PIECE AND THE EDITOR BEHIND THE PIECE AND THE EDITOR BEHIND THE STUNNING “NEW YORK TIMES” STUNNING “NEW YORK TIMES” REPORT. REPORT. KATE, WALK US THROUGH THE KATE, WALK US THROUGH THE NETWORK THAT EPSTEIN BUILT. NETWORK THAT EPSTEIN BUILT. THE FACT THAT THE HEAD OF THE FACT THAT THE HEAD OF JPMORGAN’S PRIVATE BANK VISITED JPMORGAN’S PRIVATE BANK VISITED EPSTEIN NOT IN HIS MANSION, NOT EPSTEIN NOT IN HIS MANSION, NOT AT HIS ISLAND, BUT IN HIS WORK AT HIS ISLAND, BUT IN HIS WORK RELEASE PRISON OFFICE. RELEASE PRISON OFFICE.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT. IT’S PRETTY PHENOMENAL. IT’S PRETTY PHENOMENAL. LET’S TALK ABOUT STALEY FIRST. LET’S TALK ABOUT STALEY FIRST. AT THE TIME A SENIOR EXECUTIVE AT THE TIME A SENIOR EXECUTIVE AT JPMORGAN RUNNING THE ASSET AT JPMORGAN RUNNING THE ASSET MANAGEMENT DIVISION. MANAGEMENT DIVISION. WHEN HE STARTED IN THE JPMORGAN WHEN HE STARTED IN THE JPMORGAN ROLE HE WAS TOLD HE NEEDED TO ROLE HE WAS TOLD HE NEEDED TO KNOW JEFFREY EPSTEIN BECAUSE HE KNOW JEFFREY EPSTEIN BECAUSE HE WAS A RAINMAKER OF SORTS WHO WAS A RAINMAKER OF SORTS WHO BROUGHT CLIENTS TO JPMORGAN AND BROUGHT CLIENTS TO JPMORGAN AND WAS A CLIENT HIMSELF IN THE WAS A CLIENT HIMSELF IN THE PRIVATE BANK. PRIVATE BANK. SO HE DID MEET HIM. SO HE DID MEET HIM. EPSTEIN APPARENTLY DID STEER EPSTEIN APPARENTLY DID STEER CLIENTS TO STALEY AND JPMORGAN. CLIENTS TO STALEY AND JPMORGAN. DOZENS OF THEM. DOZENS OF THEM.>>BEING A CONNECTOR ISN’T THAT>>BEING A CONNECTOR ISN’T THAT ODD. ODD. YOU GET PAID TO BE THE MIDDLE YOU GET PAID TO BE THE MIDDLE GUY. GUY.>>SURE.>>SURE.>>BUT WHEN HE WAS IN PRISON?>>BUT WHEN HE WAS IN PRISON?>>SO STALEY, ANOTHER IMPORTANT>>SO STALEY, ANOTHER IMPORTANT PIECE TOUCHING ON GLEN DUBIN AS PIECE TOUCHING ON GLEN DUBIN AS WELL. WELL. STALEY MEETS GLEN DUBIN WHO RUNS STALEY MEETS GLEN DUBIN WHO RUNS HIBRIDGE CAPITAL MANAGEMENT HIBRIDGE CAPITAL MANAGEMENT THROUGH EPSTEIN AND MAKES THIS THROUGH EPSTEIN AND MAKES THIS CONNECTION AND THEN BUYS THE CONNECTION AND THEN BUYS THE WHOLE THING A NUMBER OF YEARS WHOLE THING A NUMBER OF YEARS LATER. LATER. IT REALLY HELPS INCREASE THE IT REALLY HELPS INCREASE THE SUCCESS OF THAT BUSINESS. SUCCESS OF THAT BUSINESS. IT GROWS THE AUM BY A WIDE IT GROWS THE AUM BY A WIDE MARGIN AND MAKES STALEY AND MARGIN AND MAKES STALEY AND DUBIN BOTH SORT OF BUSINESS DUBIN BOTH SORT OF BUSINESS HEROES. HEROES. STALEY IS SO GRATEFUL FOR THIS STALEY IS SO GRATEFUL FOR THIS HELP THAT HE ACTUALLY VISITS HELP THAT HE ACTUALLY VISITS EPSTEIN DURING 2008 OR 2009 AT EPSTEIN DURING 2008 OR 2009 AT THIS TIME AS YOU SAID WHEN HE IS THIS TIME AS YOU SAID WHEN HE IS INCARCERATED AND HE’S WORKING INCARCERATED AND HE’S WORKING OUT OF AN OFFICE IN PALM BEACH. OUT OF AN OFFICE IN PALM BEACH.>>AMAZING.>>AMAZING. BILL, IN YOUR PIECE YOU DESCRIBE BILL, IN YOUR PIECE YOU DESCRIBE AN INTERACTION BETWEEN EPSTEIN AN INTERACTION BETWEEN EPSTEIN AND A PORTFOLIO MANAGER AT HIGH AND A PORTFOLIO MANAGER AT HIGH BRIDGE. BRIDGE. I WANT TO READ IT BECAUSE THE I WANT TO READ IT BECAUSE THE DESCRIPTION IS SO OUT OF THE DESCRIPTION IS SO OUT OF THE ORDINARY. ORDINARY. THIS IS ACCORDING TO SOMEONE WHO THIS IS ACCORDING TO SOMEONE WHO HEARD THE STORY. HEARD THE STORY. KUSNAN WENT TO EPSTEIN’S KUSNAN WENT TO EPSTEIN’S TOWNHOUSE AND WAS USHERED INTO A TOWNHOUSE AND WAS USHERED INTO A LITTLE ROOM BY A BUTLER. LITTLE ROOM BY A BUTLER. THERE HE SAW EPSTEIN SITTING THERE HE SAW EPSTEIN SITTING ATOP A RAISED PLATFORM LIKE A ATOP A RAISED PLATFORM LIKE A THRONE WITH TWO STRIKINGLY THRONE WITH TWO STRIKINGLY GORGEOUS YOUNG EASTERN EUROPEAN GORGEOUS YOUNG EASTERN EUROPEAN WOMEN STANDING BESIDE THE CHAIR. WOMEN STANDING BESIDE THE CHAIR. EPSTEIN ASKED KUSNAN A FEW EPSTEIN ASKED KUSNAN A FEW QUESTIONS AND THEN QUICKLY QUESTIONS AND THEN QUICKLY DECLARED THAT HE WAS DISMISSED. DECLARED THAT HE WAS DISMISSED. THE BUTLER ESCORTED KUSNAN OUT THE BUTLER ESCORTED KUSNAN OUT OF THE MANSION. OF THE MANSION. HE WALKED BACK TO HIS OFFICE AND HE WALKED BACK TO HIS OFFICE AND SITTING ON THE FAX MACHINE WAS SITTING ON THE FAX MACHINE WAS THE SIGNED PAPERWORK FROM THE SIGNED PAPERWORK FROM EPSTEIN AGREEING TO MAKE A EPSTEIN AGREEING TO MAKE A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT MULTIMILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT IN KUSNAN’S FUND. IN KUSNAN’S FUND. THIS IS NOT A NORMAL THIS IS NOT A NORMAL INTERACTION. INTERACTION. A HEDGE FUND MANAGER DOESN’T GO A HEDGE FUND MANAGER DOESN’T GO TO A WEALTHY GUY’S HOUSE AND TO A WEALTHY GUY’S HOUSE AND GREET HIM ON A THRONE SURROUNDED GREET HIM ON A THRONE SURROUNDED BY BEAUTIFUL WOMEN AND THEN BY BEAUTIFUL WOMEN AND THEN YEARS LATER WHEN THE FUND MAY YEARS LATER WHEN THE FUND MAY LOSE SOME MONEY AN INVESTOR LOSE SOME MONEY AN INVESTOR DOESN’T GET TO THEN GET ALL THE DOESN’T GET TO THEN GET ALL THE ORIGINAL INVESTMENT OUT. ORIGINAL INVESTMENT OUT. WHY ON EARTH WOULD THIS SCENE WHY ON EARTH WOULD THIS SCENE HAPPEN? HAPPEN?>>I THINK IT HAPPENED,>>I THINK IT HAPPENED, STEPHANIE, BECAUSE OF GLEN DUBIN STEPHANIE, BECAUSE OF GLEN DUBIN WANTING IT TO HAPPEN. WANTING IT TO HAPPEN. BOTH JOSEPH KUSNAN WHO DID SPEND BOTH JOSEPH KUSNAN WHO DID SPEND TIME AS A PORTFOLIO MANAGER AT TIME AS A PORTFOLIO MANAGER AT HIGH BRIDGE AND DAN ZWORN WERE HIGH BRIDGE AND DAN ZWORN WERE SETTING UP THEIR OWN FUNDS SORT SETTING UP THEIR OWN FUNDS SORT OF LIKE TIGER CUB KIND OF CUBS OF LIKE TIGER CUB KIND OF CUBS FUNDS UNDER THE AUSPICES OF GLEN FUNDS UNDER THE AUSPICES OF GLEN DUBIN AND GLEN HAVING THIS DUBIN AND GLEN HAVING THIS BIG-TIME RELATIONSHIP WITH BIG-TIME RELATIONSHIP WITH JEFFREY DUBIN, DIRECTED THEIR — JEFFREY DUBIN, DIRECTED THEIR — HIS AFFILIATES TO ESSENTIALLY HIS AFFILIATES TO ESSENTIALLY ACCEPT THIS MONEY FROM JEFFREY ACCEPT THIS MONEY FROM JEFFREY EPSTEIN NO QUESTIONS ASKED. EPSTEIN NO QUESTIONS ASKED. AND OF COURSE IN TYPICAL AND OF COURSE IN TYPICAL NOUVEAU, HEDGE FUND MANAGER WAY NOUVEAU, HEDGE FUND MANAGER WAY THEY DIDN’T ASK MANY QUESTIONS THEY DIDN’T ASK MANY QUESTIONS EVEN THOUGH THEY WEREN’T ALLOWED EVEN THOUGH THEY WEREN’T ALLOWED TO AND OF COURSE THEY ACCEPTED TO AND OF COURSE THEY ACCEPTED THE MONEY BECAUSE IT WAS A LOT THE MONEY BECAUSE IT WAS A LOT OF MONEY. OF MONEY.>>BUT WHAT WAS JEFFREY>>BUT WHAT WAS JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S SPECIAL TALENT? EPSTEIN’S SPECIAL TALENT? THIS IS WHAT I DON’T GET. THIS IS WHAT I DON’T GET. RIGHT? RIGHT? WHY WOULD THEY ALL STAND BY HIM WHY WOULD THEY ALL STAND BY HIM AND FOR SO LONG, KATE? AND FOR SO LONG, KATE? WE GO BACK AND WE THINK BERNIE WE GO BACK AND WE THINK BERNIE MADDOFF. MADDOFF. ALL THOSE PEOPLE FLOCKED TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE FLOCKED TO MADOFF BECAUSE OF OUT SIZED MADOFF BECAUSE OF OUT SIZED RETURNS. RETURNS. TALKING ABOUT AN AMAZING TALKING ABOUT AN AMAZING INVESTOR, LOOK AT HIS RETURNS, A INVESTOR, LOOK AT HIS RETURNS, A JOHN PAULSON DURING THE SUB JOHN PAULSON DURING THE SUB PRIME. PRIME. YOU’D SAY, AH. YOU’D SAY, AH. THIS WAS THE MAGIC. THIS WAS THE MAGIC. WHERE WAS JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S WHERE WAS JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S MAGIC THAT HAD SOME OF THE MAGIC THAT HAD SOME OF THE BIGGEST GUYS, LEON BLACK THE BIGGEST GUYS, LEON BLACK THE FOUNDER OF APOLLO, WHAT IN THE FOUNDER OF APOLLO, WHAT IN THE WORLD DOES HE NEED OR GET FROM WORLD DOES HE NEED OR GET FROM EPSTEIN? EPSTEIN?>>I THINK THERE WERE TWO>>I THINK THERE WERE TWO NARRATIVES SURROUNDING JEFFREY NARRATIVES SURROUNDING JEFFREY EPSTEIN AT LEAST UNTIL HE BECAME EPSTEIN AT LEAST UNTIL HE BECAME INFAMOUS FOR THESE OTHER INFAMOUS FOR THESE OTHER REASONS. REASONS. HE MANAGED LESLIE WEXNER’S HE MANAGED LESLIE WEXNER’S FORTUNE, FOUNDER OF L BRANDS, A FORTUNE, FOUNDER OF L BRANDS, A BILLIONAIRE DECADES AGO AT A BILLIONAIRE DECADES AGO AT A TIME WHEN THERE WERE LESS TIME WHEN THERE WERE LESS BILLIONAIRES AND HAD A FAR BILLIONAIRES AND HAD A FAR REACHING ALL ENCOMPASSING ROLE REACHING ALL ENCOMPASSING ROLE MANAGING HIS INVESTMENT MONEY, MANAGING HIS INVESTMENT MONEY, HIS PHILANTHROPY, DOING FAMILY HIS PHILANTHROPY, DOING FAMILY OFFICE TYPE DUTIES. OFFICE TYPE DUTIES. I DON’T THINK WE EVEN KNOW THE I DON’T THINK WE EVEN KNOW THE FULL EXTENT YET BUT IT WAS WIDE FULL EXTENT YET BUT IT WAS WIDE RANGING. RANGING. HE WAS KNOWN FOR THAT AND HE GOT HE WAS KNOWN FOR THAT AND HE GOT WEALTH EIGHT LEAST LARGELY IN WEALTH EIGHT LEAST LARGELY IN PART BECAUSE OF THAT. PART BECAUSE OF THAT. PEOPLE KNEW THAT. PEOPLE KNEW THAT. HE ALSO HAD A REPUTATION FOR HE ALSO HAD A REPUTATION FOR BEING SAVVY WHEN IT CAME TO TAX BEING SAVVY WHEN IT CAME TO TAX STRATEGIES AND ESTATE PLANNING. STRATEGIES AND ESTATE PLANNING. NOW, WHERE HE GOT THAT NOW, WHERE HE GOT THAT REPUTATION BEYOND WEXNER I’M NOT REPUTATION BEYOND WEXNER I’M NOT SURE BUT IT WAS ENOUGH THAT LEON SURE BUT IT WAS ENOUGH THAT LEON BLACK HIRED HIM OVER A COURSE OF BLACK HIRED HIM OVER A COURSE OF 15 OR SO YEARS ON AND OFF TO DO 15 OR SO YEARS ON AND OFF TO DO THIS WORK FOR HIM. THIS WORK FOR HIM.>>SO LEON BLACK WHO RUNS>>SO LEON BLACK WHO RUNS APOLLO, HAS DOZENS OF TAX APOLLO, HAS DOZENS OF TAX SPECIALISTS WHO WORK FOR HIM. SPECIALISTS WHO WORK FOR HIM.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>HE NEEDS JEFFREY EPSTEIN>>HE NEEDS JEFFREY EPSTEIN FORMER MATH TEACHER FROM DALTON? FORMER MATH TEACHER FROM DALTON?>>APPARENTLY.>>APPARENTLY. WHO DOES NOT HAVE A BACHELOR’S WHO DOES NOT HAVE A BACHELOR’S DEGREE. DEGREE. WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE TO WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE TO ESTABLISH THAT RELATIONSHIP, ESTABLISH THAT RELATIONSHIP, BLACK TRUSTED HIM ENOUGH THAT HE BLACK TRUSTED HIM ENOUGH THAT HE KEPT HIM ON AND OFF FOR MORE KEPT HIM ON AND OFF FOR MORE THAN A DECADE AND HE ALSO ADDED THAN A DECADE AND HE ALSO ADDED HIM AS A DIRECTOR, WHICH IS WELL HIM AS A DIRECTOR, WHICH IS WELL KNOWN AT THIS POINT, TO LEON’S KNOWN AT THIS POINT, TO LEON’S OWN FAMILY FOUNDATION BOARD OWN FAMILY FOUNDATION BOARD AROUND THE YEAR 2000. AROUND THE YEAR 2000.>>MANY OF THESE RELATIONSHIPS>>MANY OF THESE RELATIONSHIPS STAYED WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN STAYED WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN THROUGH HIS PRISON SENTENCE AND THROUGH HIS PRISON SENTENCE AND AFTER. AFTER. GLEN DUBIN IS ONE OF THEM. GLEN DUBIN IS ONE OF THEM. COULD IT POSSIBLY BE THESE COULD IT POSSIBLY BE THESE PEOPLE DIDN’T ACTUALLY KNOW THE PEOPLE DIDN’T ACTUALLY KNOW THE EXTENT OF WHAT HE HAD DONE? EXTENT OF WHAT HE HAD DONE? IF HE WENT TO JAIL FOR IF HE WENT TO JAIL FOR SOLICITING A PROSTITUTE THAT SOLICITING A PROSTITUTE THAT COULD BE SOMETHING PEOPLE WOULD COULD BE SOMETHING PEOPLE WOULD SAY, LISTEN. SAY, LISTEN. THIS ISN’T GOOD. THIS ISN’T GOOD. IT’S NOT GREAT BUT I FORGIVE IT’S NOT GREAT BUT I FORGIVE YOU. YOU. IS THERE A CHANCE THEY DID NOT IS THERE A CHANCE THEY DID NOT KNOW THE EXTENT TO THE POSSIBLE KNOW THE EXTENT TO THE POSSIBLE WRONGDOING OR WHAT HE IS ACCUSED WRONGDOING OR WHAT HE IS ACCUSED OF NOW? OF NOW?>>LOOK, STEPHANIE, KATE, KELLY>>LOOK, STEPHANIE, KATE, KELLY IS A FABULOUS REPORTER AND I IS A FABULOUS REPORTER AND I RESPECT EVERYTHING SHE DOES. RESPECT EVERYTHING SHE DOES. I’M REALLY WONDERING FRANKLY I’M REALLY WONDERING FRANKLY WHETHER THERE’S JUST A LOT OF WHETHER THERE’S JUST A LOT OF MYTH MAKING GOING ON NOW ABOUT MYTH MAKING GOING ON NOW ABOUT JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS, YOU JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS, YOU KNOW, TAX AND ACCOUNTING KNOW, TAX AND ACCOUNTING PROWESS, HIS MONEY MANAGEMENT PROWESS, HIS MONEY MANAGEMENT PROWESS. PROWESS. I THINK THIS IS ALL A NARRATIVE I THINK THIS IS ALL A NARRATIVE BEING CREATED TO COVER UP BEING CREATED TO COVER UP SOMETHING MUCH DEEPER AND DARKER SOMETHING MUCH DEEPER AND DARKER THAT WE DON’T KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT WE DON’T KNOW WHAT IT IS YET, BECAUSE I’M SORRY YOU DON’T YET, BECAUSE I’M SORRY YOU DON’T GIVE SOMEBODY A MANSION ON EAST GIVE SOMEBODY A MANSION ON EAST 71st STREET THAT’S NOW 71st STREET THAT’S NOW APPARENTLY WORTH $77 MILLION APPARENTLY WORTH $77 MILLION JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE MANAGING HIS JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE MANAGING HIS MONEY. MONEY.>>WE DON’T HAVE EVIDENCE OF>>WE DON’T HAVE EVIDENCE OF THAT THOUGH. THAT THOUGH. AT THIS POINT, GIFTING A MANSION AT THIS POINT, GIFTING A MANSION TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN AT THIS POINT TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN AT THIS POINT IS URBAN LEGEND. IS URBAN LEGEND. IT MAY BE TRUE BUT WE DON’T KNOW IT MAY BE TRUE BUT WE DON’T KNOW FOR SURE. FOR SURE.>>I THINK BILL MAKES A GOOD>>I THINK BILL MAKES A GOOD POINT THOUGH. POINT THOUGH. I THINK THERE WAS BLUSTER AND I THINK THERE WAS BLUSTER AND WHITE LIES PROBABLY ALSO WHITE LIES PROBABLY ALSO OUTRIGHT LIES IN TERMS OF OUTRIGHT LIES IN TERMS OF EPSTEIN AND THE WAY HE DESCRIBED EPSTEIN AND THE WAY HE DESCRIBED HIS RELATIONSHIPS WITH THESE HIS RELATIONSHIPS WITH THESE BUSINESS FIGURES. BUSINESS FIGURES. I THINK A LOT OF IT WAS BS OR I THINK A LOT OF IT WAS BS OR GREATLY EXAGGERATED. GREATLY EXAGGERATED. HE DID ENTERTAIN AND HAVE PEOPLE HE DID ENTERTAIN AND HAVE PEOPLE OVER AND DID MEET PEOPLE IN OVER AND DID MEET PEOPLE IN OFFICES AND AT FUNCTIONS. OFFICES AND AT FUNCTIONS. THE INTERESTING THING WE FOUND THE INTERESTING THING WE FOUND THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT AND WE THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT AND WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE BLUSTER IN OUR STORY, THERE WERE BLUSTER IN OUR STORY, THERE WERE THESE REAL CONNECTIONS. THESE REAL CONNECTIONS. THEY MAY HAVE BEEN ONLY A FEW THEY MAY HAVE BEEN ONLY A FEW BUT IT WAS ENOUGH THAT HE SORT BUT IT WAS ENOUGH THAT HE SORT OF LEVERAGED THAT INTO ACCESS TO OF LEVERAGED THAT INTO ACCESS TO PEOPLE AND BUILDING THIS PEOPLE AND BUILDING THIS REPUTATION, EVEN IF IT WAS REPUTATION, EVEN IF IT WAS LARGELY HOT AIR. LARGELY HOT AIR.>>MY GOODNESS.>>MY GOODNESS.>>I AGREE WITH KATE COMPLETELY>>I AGREE WITH KATE COMPLETELY ON THAT. ON THAT. THE QUESTION IS, WHY WAS HE ABLE THE QUESTION IS, WHY WAS HE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THESE RELATIONSHIPS TO LEVERAGE THESE RELATIONSHIPS AND FOR SO LONG AS YOU ASK,