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DEADLINE WITH NICOLE WALLACE STARTS RIGHT NOW. STARTS RIGHT NOW.>>>HI, EVERYONE, IT’S 4:00 IN>>>HI, EVERYONE, IT’S 4:00 IN WASHINGTON, D.C. WHERE TODAY TWO WASHINGTON, D.C. WHERE TODAY TWO MEN ARE IN DAMAGE CONTROL MODE MEN ARE IN DAMAGE CONTROL MODE OVER THEIR TIES TO JEFFREY OVER THEIR TIES TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN. THE BILLIONAIRE WHO IS INDICTED THE BILLIONAIRE WHO IS INDICTED YESTERDAY ON SEX TRAFFICKING YESTERDAY ON SEX TRAFFICKING CHARGES. CHARGES. DONALD TRUMP DOUBLING DOWN TODAY DONALD TRUMP DOUBLING DOWN TODAY IN SUCH HIS SECRETARY OF LABOR. IN SUCH HIS SECRETARY OF LABOR.>>I CAN TELL YOU THAT FOR 2 1/2>>I CAN TELL YOU THAT FOR 2 1/2 YEARS HE’S BEEN JUST AN YEARS HE’S BEEN JUST AN EXCELLENT SECRETARY OF LABOR. EXCELLENT SECRETARY OF LABOR. HE’S DONE A FANTASTIC JOB. HE’S DONE A FANTASTIC JOB. WHAT HAPPENED 12 OR 15 YEARS AGO WHAT HAPPENED 12 OR 15 YEARS AGO WITH RESPECT TO WHEN HE WAS A WITH RESPECT TO WHEN HE WAS A U.S. ATTORNEY I THINK MANY U.S. ATTORNEY I THINK MANY MIAMI — IS IT MIAMI? MIAMI — IS IT MIAMI?>>YES.>>YES.>>YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO BACK AND>>YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT EVERYBODY ELSE’S LOOK AT EVERYBODY ELSE’S DECISIONS, WHETHER IT’S A U.S. DECISIONS, WHETHER IT’S A U.S. ATTORNEY OR AN ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY OR AN ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY OR A JUDGE, YOU GO BACK ATTORNEY OR A JUDGE, YOU GO BACK 12 OR 15 YEARS AGO OR 20 YEARS 12 OR 15 YEARS AGO OR 20 YEARS AGO AND LOOK AT THEIR PAST AGO AND LOOK AT THEIR PAST DECISIONS, I WOULD THINK YOU’D DECISIONS, I WOULD THINK YOU’D PROBABLY FIND THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY FIND THAT THEY WOULD WISH THEY MAYBE DID IT A WISH THEY MAYBE DID IT A DIFFERENT WAY. DIFFERENT WAY. I DO HEAR THAT THERE WERE A LOT I DO HEAR THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THAT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THAT DECISION, NOT JUST HIM. DECISION, NOT JUST HIM.>>DEMOCRATS, INCLUDING THE TOP>>DEMOCRATS, INCLUDING THE TOP DEMOCRAT IN THE SENATE, CHUCK DEMOCRAT IN THE SENATE, CHUCK SCHUMER, SENDING A VERY SCHUMER, SENDING A VERY DIFFERENT TUNE OR ACOSTA CALLING DIFFERENT TUNE OR ACOSTA CALLING FOR HIS RESIGNATION OR FIRING. FOR HIS RESIGNATION OR FIRING.>>I AM CALLING ON SECRETARY>>I AM CALLING ON SECRETARY ACOSTA TO RESIGN. ACOSTA TO RESIGN. IT IS NOW IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYONE IT IS NOW IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN SECRETARY TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN SECRETARY ACOSTA’S ABILITY TO LEAD THE ACOSTA’S ABILITY TO LEAD THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR. DEPARTMENT OF LABOR. IF HE REFUSES TO RESIGN, IF HE REFUSES TO RESIGN, PRESIDENT TRUMP SHOULD FIRE HIM. PRESIDENT TRUMP SHOULD FIRE HIM.>>FOR HIS PART, ACOSTA IS>>FOR HIS PART, ACOSTA IS SPINNING FOR HIS REPUTATION AND SPINNING FOR HIS REPUTATION AND QUITE POSSIBLY FOR HIS JOB. QUITE POSSIBLY FOR HIS JOB. FOR A PRESIDENT WHO LOOKS DOWN FOR A PRESIDENT WHO LOOKS DOWN UPON BAD PRESS FROM ANY MEMBER UPON BAD PRESS FROM ANY MEMBER OF HIS CABINET. OF HIS CABINET. ACOSTA THIS MORNING TWEETING A ACOSTA THIS MORNING TWEETING A DEFENSE OF THE DEAL HE STRUCK DEFENSE OF THE DEAL HE STRUCK WITH EPSTEIN IN 2008. WITH EPSTEIN IN 2008. HE WROTE THIS, QUOTE, THE CRIMES HE WROTE THIS, QUOTE, THE CRIMES COMMITTED BY EPSTEIN ARE COMMITTED BY EPSTEIN ARE HORRIFIC AND I’M PLEASED THAT HORRIFIC AND I’M PLEASED THAT NEW YORK PROSECUTORS ARE MOVING NEW YORK PROSECUTORS ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CASE BASED ON FORWARD WITH THE CASE BASED ON NEW EVIDENCE. NEW EVIDENCE. BUT THE EVIDENCE AVAILABLE MORE BUT THE EVIDENCE AVAILABLE MORE THAN A DECADE AGO, FEDERAL THAN A DECADE AGO, FEDERAL PROSECUTORS INSISTED THAT PROSECUTORS INSISTED THAT EPSTEIN GO TO JAIL, REGISTER AS EPSTEIN GO TO JAIL, REGISTER AS A SEX OFFENDER, PUT THE WORLD ON A SEX OFFENDER, PUT THE WORLD ON NOTICE THAT HE WAS A SEXUAL NOTICE THAT HE WAS A SEXUAL PREDATOR. PREDATOR. NOW, THE NEW EVIDENCE AND NOW, THE NEW EVIDENCE AND ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY IS ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY IS AVAILABLE, THE NEW YORK AVAILABLE, THE NEW YORK PROSECUTION OFFERS AN IMPORTANT PROSECUTION OFFERS AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY TO MORE FULLY BRING OPPORTUNITY TO MORE FULLY BRING HIM TO JUSTICE. HIM TO JUSTICE. ACOSTA OFFERING NO SPECIFICS ACOSTA OFFERING NO SPECIFICS ABOUT WHAT EVIDENCE WOULD HAVE ABOUT WHAT EVIDENCE WOULD HAVE CHANGED HIS DECISION 11 YEARS CHANGED HIS DECISION 11 YEARS AGO TO GRANT EPSTEIN A DEAL THAT AGO TO GRANT EPSTEIN A DEAL THAT IS DESCRIBED THIS WAY IN THE IS DESCRIBED THIS WAY IN THE MIAMI HERALD. MIAMI HERALD. QUOTE, FACING A 53-PAGE FEDERAL QUOTE, FACING A 53-PAGE FEDERAL INDICTMENT, EPSTEIN COULD HAVE INDICTMENT, EPSTEIN COULD HAVE ENDED UP IN FEDERAL PRISON FOR ENDED UP IN FEDERAL PRISON FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. THE REST OF HIS LIFE. BUT ON THE MORNING OF A BUT ON THE MORNING OF A BREAKFAST MEETING, A DEAL WAS BREAKFAST MEETING, A DEAL WAS STRUCK. STRUCK. AN EXTRAORDINARY PLEA AGREEMENT AN EXTRAORDINARY PLEA AGREEMENT THAT WOULD CONCEAL THE FULL THAT WOULD CONCEAL THE FULL EXTENT OF EPSTEIN’S CRIMES. EXTENT OF EPSTEIN’S CRIMES. AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE INVOLVED. INVOLVED. NOT ONLY WOULD EPSTEIN SERVE NOT ONLY WOULD EPSTEIN SERVE JUST 13 MONTHS IN THE COUNTY JUST 13 MONTHS IN THE COUNTY JAIL, BUT THE DEAL CALLED A JAIL, BUT THE DEAL CALLED A NONPROSECUTION AGREEMENT, NONPROSECUTION AGREEMENT, ESSENTIALLY SHUTDOWN AN ON GOING ESSENTIALLY SHUTDOWN AN ON GOING FBI PROBE INTO WHETHER THERE FBI PROBE INTO WHETHER THERE WERE MORE VICTIMS AND OTHER WERE MORE VICTIMS AND OTHER POWERFUL PEOPLE WHO TOOK PART IN POWERFUL PEOPLE WHO TOOK PART IN EPSTEIN’S SEX CRIMES. EPSTEIN’S SEX CRIMES. NOW THAT IS WHAT ACOSTA IS TODAY NOW THAT IS WHAT ACOSTA IS TODAY TRYING TO DEFEND. TRYING TO DEFEND. THAT IS WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS NOW THAT IS WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS NOW ASSOCIATED WITH. ASSOCIATED WITH. AS WELL AS HEADLINES LIKE THIS AS WELL AS HEADLINES LIKE THIS ONE FROM TODAY’S “WASHINGTON ONE FROM TODAY’S “WASHINGTON POST.” POST.” QUOTE. QUOTE. TRUMP CALLED EPSTEIN A TERRIFIC TRUMP CALLED EPSTEIN A TERRIFIC GUY WHO ENJOYED YOUNGER WOMEN GUY WHO ENJOYED YOUNGER WOMEN BEFORE DENYING A RELATIONSHIP BEFORE DENYING A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. WITH HIM. THAT MAY EXPLAIN TRUMP’S EFFORTS THAT MAY EXPLAIN TRUMP’S EFFORTS TO PUT TIME AND DISTANCE BETWEEN TO PUT TIME AND DISTANCE BETWEEN HIMSELF AND EPSTEIN. HIMSELF AND EPSTEIN.>>WELL, I KNEW HIM LIKE>>WELL, I KNEW HIM LIKE EVERYBODY IN PALM BEACH KNEW EVERYBODY IN PALM BEACH KNEW HIM. HIM. HE WAS A FIXTURE IN PALM BEACH. HE WAS A FIXTURE IN PALM BEACH. I HAD A FALLING OUT WITH HIM A I HAD A FALLING OUT WITH HIM A LONG TIME AGO. LONG TIME AGO. I DON’T THINK I SPOKE TO HIM IN I DON’T THINK I SPOKE TO HIM IN 15 YEARS. 15 YEARS. I WASN’T A FAN. I WASN’T A FAN.>>HA IS WHERE WE START TODAY>>HA IS WHERE WE START TODAY WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. JOINING US FROM THE WASHINGTON JOINING US FROM THE WASHINGTON POST, ASHLEY PARKER. POST, ASHLEY PARKER. WITH US AT THE TABLE, FORMER WITH US AT THE TABLE, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY AND SENIOR FBI U.S. ATTORNEY AND SENIOR FBI OFFICIAL CHUCK ROSENBERG. OFFICIAL CHUCK ROSENBERG. HEIDI, AND FORTHER DEMOCRATIC HEIDI, AND FORTHER DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSWOMAN DONNA EDWARDS AND CONGRESSWOMAN DONNA EDWARDS AND FORMER SENIOR ADVISER TO FORMER SENIOR ADVISER TO PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH, AND PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH, AND THE AUTHOR OF THE NEW BOOK “THE THE AUTHOR OF THE NEW BOOK “THE DEATH OF POLITICS” PETE WENGER DEATH OF POLITICS” PETE WENGER IS HERE. IS HERE. CHUCK, I WANT TO START WITH YOU. CHUCK, I WANT TO START WITH YOU. I DON’T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN TO I DON’T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN TO ANYONE HOW ALL OF THE ANYONE HOW ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS AVAILABLE INFORMATION THAT WAS AVAILABLE IN THAT 53-PAGE INDICTMENT IN THAT 53-PAGE INDICTMENT THAT’S DESCRIBED IN THE MIAMI THAT’S DESCRIBED IN THE MIAMI HERALD’S FANTASTIC BODY OF HERALD’S FANTASTIC BODY OF REPORTING REPRESENTS SOME SHARP REPORTING REPRESENTS SOME SHARP DEPARTURE FROM WHAT THEY WOULD DEPARTURE FROM WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE FOUND OUT IN THE SOUTHERN HAVE FOUND OUT IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SOUTHERN SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK INDICTMENT, DISTRICT OF NEW YORK INDICTMENT, THE CHARGED CONDUCT PLAYS THE CHARGED CONDUCT PLAYS BETWEEN 2002 AND 2005. BETWEEN 2002 AND 2005. THE NONPROSECUTION AGREEMENT IN THE NONPROSECUTION AGREEMENT IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, NICOLE, THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, NICOLE, THAT WAS IN 2007. THAT WAS IN 2007. SO ON THE SURFACE, ON THE FACE SO ON THE SURFACE, ON THE FACE OF IT IT SEEMS REALLY ODD TO ME OF IT IT SEEMS REALLY ODD TO ME BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT MOST OF BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT MOST OF THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO NEW THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO NEW YORK TOOK PLACE LONG BEFORE THE YORK TOOK PLACE LONG BEFORE THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA RESOLVED THE CASE. RESOLVED THE CASE. AND THEY RESOLVED IT IN A REALLY AND THEY RESOLVED IT IN A REALLY ODD WAY. ODD WAY. FEDERAL PROSECUTORS ARE NOT SHY FEDERAL PROSECUTORS ARE NOT SHY ABOUT BRINGING CHARGES AGAINST ABOUT BRINGING CHARGES AGAINST PEDESTRIAN FILES, WHICH WHAT PEDESTRIAN FILES, WHICH WHAT EPSTEIN IS. EPSTEIN IS. AND NOT JUST ALLEGEDLY. AND NOT JUST ALLEGEDLY. HE EDPLED GUILTY IN FLORIDA TO HE EDPLED GUILTY IN FLORIDA TO CHARGES. CHARGES.>>HE’S AN ADMITTED CONVICTED>>HE’S AN ADMITTED CONVICTED PEDOPHILE. PEDOPHILE.>>YOU’D HAVE TO THINK THAT THE>>YOU’D HAVE TO THINK THAT THE FBI DIDN’T KNOW EVERYTHING IT FBI DIDN’T KNOW EVERYTHING IT KNOWS NOW THEN. KNOWS NOW THEN. SURE, NEW STUFF COMES IN, MORE SURE, NEW STUFF COMES IN, MORE WITNESSES COME FORWARD, THAT WITNESSES COME FORWARD, THAT HAPPENS. HAPPENS. BUT THE HEART OF THE CASE WAS — BUT THE HEART OF THE CASE WAS — THE HEART OF THE CASE, WHAT THE THE HEART OF THE CASE, WHAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA HAD SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA HAD BEFORE THEY AGREED TO THAT BEFORE THEY AGREED TO THAT NONPROSECUTION AGREEMENT WAS NONPROSECUTION AGREEMENT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE. ALREADY IN PLACE.>>WHY WOULD THIS CASE BE>>WHY WOULD THIS CASE BE REOPENED BY THE SOUTHERN REOPENED BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IF NOT SOME DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IF NOT SOME ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THE JOB ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THE JOB THAT NOW SECRETARY ACOSTA DID THAT NOW SECRETARY ACOSTA DID WAS INADEQUATE? WAS INADEQUATE?>>SO SOME CONTEXT.>>SO SOME CONTEXT. FOR ANOTHER FEDERAL DISTRICT TO FOR ANOTHER FEDERAL DISTRICT TO OPEN A CHASE KASE THAT’S BEEN OPEN A CHASE KASE THAT’S BEEN RESOLVED ELSEWHERE IS HIGHLY RESOLVED ELSEWHERE IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL. UNUSUAL. NOT UNHEARD OF, BUT HIGHLY NOT UNHEARD OF, BUT HIGHLY UNUSUAL. UNUSUAL. THERE’S A DEGREE OR KOTY. THERE’S A DEGREE OR KOTY. AND WHERE A CASE IS RESOLVED AND WHERE A CASE IS RESOLVED APPROPRIATELY, YOU WOULD NOT SEE APPROPRIATELY, YOU WOULD NOT SEE ANOTHER PROSECUTOR’S OFFICE ANOTHER PROSECUTOR’S OFFICE PICKING IT UP. PICKING IT UP. WHAT HAPPENED HERE WAS THAT THE WHAT HAPPENED HERE WAS THAT THE CASE WAS NOT APPROPRIATELY CASE WAS NOT APPROPRIATELY RESOLVED. RESOLVED. AND GOT BLESS THE PROSECUTORS IN AND GOT BLESS THE PROSECUTORS IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. YORK. THEY HAVE AN ENTREPRENEURIAL THEY HAVE AN ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT. SPIRIT.>>THANK GOD.>>THANK GOD.>>BECAUSE THEY SAW THAT JUSTICE>>BECAUSE THEY SAW THAT JUSTICE WAS NOT DONE AND THEY’RE GOING WAS NOT DONE AND THEY’RE GOING TO DO IT. TO DO IT. SO IT’S NOT TYPICAL, IT’S HIGHLY SO IT’S NOT TYPICAL, IT’S HIGHLY UNUSUAL. UNUSUAL. THERE IS THAT COMITY THAT I THERE IS THAT COMITY THAT I MENTIONED BETWEEN VARIOUS MENTIONED BETWEEN VARIOUS DISTRICTS WHERE SOMETHING BROKE, DISTRICTS WHERE SOMETHING BROKE, JUSTICE WASN’T DUB, ANOTHER U.S. JUSTICE WASN’T DUB, ANOTHER U.S. ATTORNEY STEPPED IN AND IS GOING ATTORNEY STEPPED IN AND IS GOING TO SEE HA IT’S DONE PROPERLY TO SEE HA IT’S DONE PROPERLY HAVE SOME NOW THIS EXTRAORDINARY HAVE SOME NOW THIS EXTRAORDINARY PLEA AGREEMENT, HE WAS CONVICTED PLEA AGREEMENT, HE WAS CONVICTED OF SOLICITING PROSTITUTION. OF SOLICITING PROSTITUTION. YOU DESCRIBED HIM AS A YOU DESCRIBED HIM AS A PEDOPHILE. PEDOPHILE. DO YOU THINK HE’LL BE CHARGED DO YOU THINK HE’LL BE CHARGED WITH THE SEX ACTS OF UNDERAGE WITH THE SEX ACTS OF UNDERAGE WOMEN BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT WOMEN BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK? OF NEW YORK?>>THE PLEA AGREEMENT WAS IN>>THE PLEA AGREEMENT WAS IN STATE COURT. STATE COURT. THE RESOLUTION IN FLORIDA WAS A THE RESOLUTION IN FLORIDA WAS A NONFEDERAL AGREEMENT. NONFEDERAL AGREEMENT. THEY SAID WE’RE NOT TOUCHING THEY SAID WE’RE NOT TOUCHING THIS. THIS. WHAT HE HAS BEEN CHARGED IN THE WHAT HE HAS BEEN CHARGED IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IS SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IS SEX TRAFFICKING AND CONSPIRACY SEX TRAFFICKING AND CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT SEX TRAFFICKING. TO COMMIT SEX TRAFFICKING.>>WITH MINORS.>>WITH MINORS.>>WITH WOMEN BETWEEN THE AGES>>WITH WOMEN BETWEEN THE AGES OF 14 AND 16, SO, YEAH, WITH OF 14 AND 16, SO, YEAH, WITH MINORS, YOU BET. MINORS, YOU BET. VERY SERIOUS CHARGES WHICH WILL, VERY SERIOUS CHARGES WHICH WILL, IF CONVICTED, PUT HIM IN JAIL IF CONVICTED, PUT HIM IN JAIL FOR THE REST HIS LIFE. FOR THE REST HIS LIFE.>>WE HAD A TWEET YESTERDAY>>WE HAD A TWEET YESTERDAY SAYING TONIGHT DONALD TRUMP HAS SAYING TONIGHT DONALD TRUMP HAS THREE FRIENDS IN JAIL. THREE FRIENDS IN JAIL. I NOTICED THE PRESIDENT’S I NOTICED THE PRESIDENT’S EFFORTS DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM EFFORTS DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM EPSTEIN BUT NOT THE CONDUCT. EPSTEIN BUT NOT THE CONDUCT. HE DESCRIBED A FALLINGOUT 15 HE DESCRIBED A FALLINGOUT 15 YEARS AGO. YEARS AGO. WHAT IS THE WHITE HOUSE FRAME OF WHAT IS THE WHITE HOUSE FRAME OF MIND TODAY ABOUT ACOSTA’S MIND TODAY ABOUT ACOSTA’S HANDLING OF THE CASE AS CHUCK HANDLING OF THE CASE AS CHUCK ROSENBERG WAS JUST DESCRIBING ROSENBERG WAS JUST DESCRIBING HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE AND HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE AND JUSTIFIABLY RECEIVING RENEWED JUSTIFIABLY RECEIVING RENEWED SCRUTINY, INCLUDING FROM SCRUTINY, INCLUDING FROM PROSECUTORS IN THE SOUTHERN PROSECUTORS IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AS WELL AS DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AS WELL AS HIS OWN ASSOCIATIONS ABND PHOTOS HIS OWN ASSOCIATIONS ABND PHOTOS ALONGSIDE JEFFREY EPSTEIN? ALONGSIDE JEFFREY EPSTEIN?>>AS OF NOW OUR UNDERSTANDING>>AS OF NOW OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PRESIDENT REMAINS IS THAT THE PRESIDENT REMAINS LOYAL TO ACOSTA. LOYAL TO ACOSTA. BUT, PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE BUT, PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE WARN THAT AS WITH MOST THINGS WARN THAT AS WITH MOST THINGS WITH THIS PRESIDENT THAT CAN WITH THIS PRESIDENT THAT CAN SWITCH ON A MOMENT’S NOTICE. SWITCH ON A MOMENT’S NOTICE. AS YOU POINTED OUT, THE AS YOU POINTED OUT, THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT LIKE BAD PRESIDENT DOES NOT LIKE BAD PRESS. PRESS. AND SO THERE IS A SENSE THAT AND SO THERE IS A SENSE THAT THERE MAY BE A FINITE PERIOD THERE MAY BE A FINITE PERIOD WHERE HE IS WILLING TO TOLERATE WHERE HE IS WILLING TO TOLERATE THESE BAD HEADLINES THAT HAVE THESE BAD HEADLINES THAT HAVE DOMINATED CABLE NEWS, WHICH IS DOMINATED CABLE NEWS, WHICH IS THE VENUE IS HE MOST FASCINATED THE VENUE IS HE MOST FASCINATED IN BY, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL DAY IN BY, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL DAY TODAY, IT LOOKS LIKE INTO TODAY, IT LOOKS LIKE INTO TOMORROW AT VERY LEAST. TOMORROW AT VERY LEAST. ALTHOUGH THE FLIP SIDE IS THERE ALTHOUGH THE FLIP SIDE IS THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER EMBATTLED HAVE BEEN OTHER EMBATTLED CABINET MEMBERS FOR DIFFERENT CABINET MEMBERS FOR DIFFERENT REASONS WHO IF HE HAS A REAL REASONS WHO IF HE HAS A REAL PERSONAL CONNECTION WITH PEOPLE, PERSONAL CONNECTION WITH PEOPLE, SCOTT PRUITT IS AN EXAMPLE, HE SCOTT PRUITT IS AN EXAMPLE, HE WILL SORT OF TOLERATE MONTHS OF WILL SORT OF TOLERATE MONTHS OF BAD HEADLINES BEFORE HE PULLS BAD HEADLINES BEFORE HE PULLS THE PLUG. THE PLUG. THERE’S A LITTLE BIT OF THERE’S A LITTLE BIT OF UNCERTAINTY. UNCERTAINTY. I WILL SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT’S I WILL SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT’S CHIEF OF STAFF MICK MULVANEY IS CHIEF OF STAFF MICK MULVANEY IS CLASHING WITH ACOSTA FOR REASONS CLASHING WITH ACOSTA FOR REASONS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. THIS. HE BELIEVES THAT ACOSTA HAS NOT HE BELIEVES THAT ACOSTA HAS NOT BEEN FORCEFULLY OR EFFICIENTLY BEEN FORCEFULLY OR EFFICIENTLY ENOUGH PRESSING THE PRESIDENT’S ENOUGH PRESSING THE PRESIDENT’S DEREGULATION AGENDA, UNDOING DEREGULATION AGENDA, UNDOING SOME OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SOME OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION POLICIES. POLICIES. AND SO IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO’S AND SO IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO’S A LITTLE TENUOUS THIS MIGHT IN A LITTLE TENUOUS THIS MIGHT IN TERMS OF THE PALACE INTRIGUE AND TERMS OF THE PALACE INTRIGUE AND INFIGHTING GIVE MULVANEY OR INFIGHTING GIVE MULVANEY OR THOSE WHO AREN’T HUGE FANS OF THOSE WHO AREN’T HUGE FANS OF HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUSH HIM HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUSH HIM OUT. OUT. IT’S WORTH NOTING THE PRESIDENT IT’S WORTH NOTING THE PRESIDENT IS LOYAL NOW BUT HE COULD GO IS LOYAL NOW BUT HE COULD GO EITHER WAY. EITHER WAY. SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE ARE SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE ARE TELLING HIM TO DO SOMETHING, YOU TELLING HIM TO DO SOMETHING, YOU HAVE 0 TO FIRE HIM, WILL DOUBLE HAVE 0 TO FIRE HIM, WILL DOUBLE DOWN AND ENTRENCH HIMSELF AND DOWN AND ENTRENCH HIMSELF AND THAT WILL GIVE HIP REASON TO THAT WILL GIVE HIP REASON TO KEEP HIM. KEEP HIM. OR HE MIGHT GET FED UP AND OR HE MIGHT GET FED UP AND BECOME DISGUSTED WITH WHAT HE BECOME DISGUSTED WITH WHAT HE LEARNS ABOUT THE CASE AND LET LEARNS ABOUT THE CASE AND LET HIM GO AT SOME POINT. HIM GO AT SOME POINT.>>IT WOULD BE A FUNNY TIME TO>>IT WOULD BE A FUNNY TIME TO COME UP WITH A DEREGULATION COME UP WITH A DEREGULATION CRISIS. CRISIS. LET ME READ YOU SOME OF THE LET ME READ YOU SOME OF THE REPORTING FROM YOUR GREAT REPORTING FROM YOUR GREAT COLLEAGUES. COLLEAGUES. YOUR PAPER TODAY UNDER THE YOUR PAPER TODAY UNDER THE HEADLINE TRUMP CALLED EPSTEIN A HEADLINE TRUMP CALLED EPSTEIN A TERRIFIC GUY WHO ENJOYED YOUNGER TERRIFIC GUY WHO ENJOYED YOUNGER GIRLS BEFORE DENYING GIRLS BEFORE DENYING RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM REPORTS RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM REPORTS THIS, QUOTE, OUTSIDE OF TRUMP’S THIS, QUOTE, OUTSIDE OF TRUMP’S OWN WORDS, THERE’S CLEAR OWN WORDS, THERE’S CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT THE TWO MEN, EVIDENCE THAT THE TWO MEN, EPSTEIN AND TRUMP, BOTH MEMBERS EPSTEIN AND TRUMP, BOTH MEMBERS OF THE SAME HIGH-FLYING OF THE SAME HIGH-FLYING SOCIETIES IN MANHATTAN AND PALM SOCIETIES IN MANHATTAN AND PALM BEACH, SOCIALIZED TOGETHER IN BEACH, SOCIALIZED TOGETHER IN THE PAST. THE PAST. EPSTEIN VISITED TRUMP’S EPSTEIN VISITED TRUMP’S MAR-A-LAGO CLUB IN PALM BEACH MAR-A-LAGO CLUB IN PALM BEACH AND POISED FOR POSED FOR PHOTOS AND POISED FOR POSED FOR PHOTOS THERE. THERE. THE EPSTEIN’S ADDRESS BOOK THE EPSTEIN’S ADDRESS BOOK LEAKED BY AN EMPLOYEE IN 1999. LEAKED BY AN EMPLOYEE IN 1999. WHAT’S THE RESPONSE TO THAT. WHAT’S THE RESPONSE TO THAT.>>.>>.>>WELL, THE RELATIONSHIP DOES>>WELL, THE RELATIONSHIP DOES SEEM TO HAVE COOLED SLIGHTLY IN SEEM TO HAVE COOLED SLIGHTLY IN RECENT YEARS. RECENT YEARS. BUT THE TRUTH IS THIS IS KIND OF BUT THE TRUTH IS THIS IS KIND OF STANDARD BEHAVIOR FOR THIS STANDARD BEHAVIOR FOR THIS PRESIDENT, WHICH IS — WE DON’T PRESIDENT, WHICH IS — WE DON’T HAVE TIME TO LIST ALL OF THE HAVE TIME TO LIST ALL OF THE PEOPLE WITH WHOM THE PRESIDENT PEOPLE WITH WHOM THE PRESIDENT CLAIMS NOT TO KNOW. CLAIMS NOT TO KNOW. INCLUDING, FOR INTANSSTANCE, YOU INCLUDING, FOR INTANSSTANCE, YOU MENTIONED PAUL MANAFORT. MENTIONED PAUL MANAFORT. THE WAY THE PRESIDENT TALKS THE WAY THE PRESIDENT TALKS ABOUT HIM YOU WOULD THINK THEY ABOUT HIM YOU WOULD THINK THEY WERE CASUAL ACQUAINTANCES WHO WERE CASUAL ACQUAINTANCES WHO PASSED IN A RESTAURANT NOT THE PASSED IN A RESTAURANT NOT THE SECOND MANAGER OF HIS 2016 SECOND MANAGER OF HIS 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. HE SPEAKS THIS WAY OF MICHAEL HE SPEAKS THIS WAY OF MICHAEL WOLF WHO SPENT SIX MONTHS WOLF WHO SPENT SIX MONTHS SITTING IN THE WEST WING IN THE SITTING IN THE WEST WING IN THE EARLY DAYS OF HIS EARLY DAYS OF HIS ADMINISTRATION. ADMINISTRATION. HE’S SAID THIS ABOUT A NUMBER OF HE’S SAID THIS ABOUT A NUMBER OF WOMEN WHO HAVE ACCUSED HIM OF WOMEN WHO HAVE ACCUSED HIM OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT THAT BE HE’S SEXUAL MISCONDUCT THAT BE HE’S NEVER MET THEM OR SEEN THEM NEVER MET THEM OR SEEN THEM BEFORE AND THEN A PHOTO SURFACES BEFORE AND THEN A PHOTO SURFACES WITH HIM RIGHT NEXT TO THEM. WITH HIM RIGHT NEXT TO THEM. SO THE PRESIDENT DENYING A TLAP SO THE PRESIDENT DENYING A TLAP SEEMS TO CLEARLY EXIST AND SEEMS TO CLEARLY EXIST AND PHOTOS AND PAST STATEMENTS AND PHOTOS AND PAST STATEMENTS AND BEHAVIOR AND SOCIAL SITUATIONS BEHAVIOR AND SOCIAL SITUATIONS IS SORT OF WHAT HE DOES WHEN IT IS SORT OF WHAT HE DOES WHEN IT BECOMES CLEAR THAT NOW MIGHT BE BECOMES CLEAR THAT NOW MIGHT BE THE MOMENT TO KIND OF TRY TO THE MOMENT TO KIND OF TRY TO PUBLICLY CUT TIES. PUBLICLY CUT TIES. BUT IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT THAT BUT IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT THAT RELATIONSHIP NEVER EXISTED. RELATIONSHIP NEVER EXISTED.>>OKAY.>>OKAY. SO ASHLEY PARKER, THIS IS DONALD SO ASHLEY PARKER, THIS IS DONALD TRUMP IN THE I HARDLY KNEW HIM TRUMP IN THE I HARDLY KNEW HIM DEFENSE. DEFENSE.>>IT’S LIKE MANAFORT HAS>>IT’S LIKE MANAFORT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR CAMPAIGN. NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR CAMPAIGN. BUT I TELL YA, I FEEL A LITTLE BUT I TELL YA, I FEEL A LITTLE BADLY ABOUT IT. BADLY ABOUT IT.>>WHY DID YOU HIRE COMEY?>>WHY DID YOU HIRE COMEY?>>HE DID LOW LEVEL WORK.>>HE DID LOW LEVEL WORK. HE DID MORE PUBLIC RELATIONS HE DID MORE PUBLIC RELATIONS THAN HE DID LAW. THAN HE DID LAW. SEE PAPADOPOULOS TODAY. SEE PAPADOPOULOS TODAY. I DON’T KNOW HIM. I DON’T KNOW HIM. I DON’T KNOW HIM. I DON’T KNOW HIM. I SAW HIM SITTING IN ONE PICTURE I SAW HIM SITTING IN ONE PICTURE AT A TABLE WITH ME. AT A TABLE WITH ME. I DON’T KNOW HIM. I DON’T KNOW HIM. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WIKILEAKS, I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WIKILEAKS, IT’S NOT MY THING. IT’S NOT MY THING. IT’S NOT MY DEAL IN LIFE. IT’S NOT MY DEAL IN LIFE.>>IT’S NOT MY DEAL, IT’S NOT MY>>IT’S NOT MY DEAL, IT’S NOT MY THING, I HARDLY KNEW HIM? THING, I HARDLY KNEW HIM? WHO? WHO? JEFFREY WHO? JEFFREY WHO?>>I HARDLY KNEW YOU, HONEY.>>I HARDLY KNEW YOU, HONEY. TODAY IF YOU FOLLOW SOCIAL TODAY IF YOU FOLLOW SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU WILL FIND SO MANY MEDIA, YOU WILL FIND SO MANY PHOTOGRAPHS OF EPSTEIN AND TRUMP PHOTOGRAPHS OF EPSTEIN AND TRUMP TOGETHER IN VARIOUS KINDS OF TOGETHER IN VARIOUS KINDS OF SOCIAL SETTINGS. SOCIAL SETTINGS. BUT, AGAIN THERE ARE SORT OF BUT, AGAIN THERE ARE SORT OF MIRRORS WHAT TRUMP DOES. MIRRORS WHAT TRUMP DOES. HE COMPLETELY DISTANCES HIMSELF. HE COMPLETELY DISTANCES HIMSELF. IT’S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH ACOSTA IT’S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH ACOSTA AS WELL, IT’S JUST A MATTER OF AS WELL, IT’S JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THAT HAPPENS WHERE TIME BEFORE THAT HAPPENS WHERE HE SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT? HE SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT? IF I JUST KEEP SAYING I DON’T IF I JUST KEEP SAYING I DON’T KNOW YOU, THEN AT LEAST MY KNOW YOU, THEN AT LEAST MY PUBLIC WILL BELIEVE THAT I DON’T PUBLIC WILL BELIEVE THAT I DON’T KNOW YOU. KNOW YOU. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS FOLLOWS A AND, YOU KNOW, THIS FOLLOWS A PATTERN FOR DONALD TRUMP. PATTERN FOR DONALD TRUMP. AND I THINK THAT FOR THE HILL, AND I THINK THAT FOR THE HILL, FOR MEMBERS TO BE CALLING FOR FOR MEMBERS TO BE CALLING FOR ACOSTA’S REMOVAL IS APPROPRIATE, ACOSTA’S REMOVAL IS APPROPRIATE, BUT I’M WONDERING WHERE ARE ALL BUT I’M WONDERING WHERE ARE ALL THE REPUBLICANS WHO REPEATEDLY THE REPUBLICANS WHO REPEATEDLY STOOD UP IN THE FACE OF STOOD UP IN THE FACE OF INTERNATIONAL SEX TRAFFICKING INTERNATIONAL SEX TRAFFICKING VOTE ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY AROUND VOTE ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY AROUND LEGISLATION THERE AND ARE LEGISLATION THERE AND ARE ABSOLUTELY SILENT WHEN IT COMES ABSOLUTELY SILENT WHEN IT COMES TO ALEX ACOSTA? TO ALEX ACOSTA?>>THAT’S A PERFECT QUESTION FOR>>THAT’S A PERFECT QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU. WHERE ARE THEY? WHERE ARE THEY?>>WELL, THEY’RE NOWHERE TO BE>>WELL, THEY’RE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. FOUND. BUT THEY HAVEN’T BEEN ANYWHERE BUT THEY HAVEN’T BEEN ANYWHERE TO BE FOUND WITH DONALD TRUMP. TO BE FOUND WITH DONALD TRUMP. REMEMBER THE CONTEXT OF THIS REMEMBER THE CONTEXT OF THIS SECRETARY ACCOST IS IS ACCUSED SECRETARY ACCOST IS IS ACCUSED OF NO, SIR PROSECUTING A SEXUAL OF NO, SIR PROSECUTING A SEXUAL PREDATOR. PREDATOR. THE PRESIDENT IS A SEXUAL THE PRESIDENT IS A SEXUAL PREDATOR. PREDATOR. SHOWS YOU THE MORAL WORLD IN SHOWS YOU THE MORAL WORLD IN WHICH WE LIVE IN. WHICH WE LIVE IN. JUST HE WAS CREDIBLE ACCUSED OF JUST HE WAS CREDIBLE ACCUSED OF RAPE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND IT’S RAPE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND IT’S FALLEN OFF THE RADAR SCREEN. FALLEN OFF THE RADAR SCREEN. THERE ARE TWO DOZEN WOMEN WHO THERE ARE TWO DOZEN WOMEN WHO HAVE ACCUSE DOLLARS HIM OF HAVE ACCUSE DOLLARS HIM OF SEXUAL ASSAULT. SEXUAL ASSAULT. WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO SAY WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO SAY SEXUAL PREDATOR. SEXUAL PREDATOR. THE IDEA THAT HE WOULD BE THE IDEA THAT HE WOULD BE OFFENDED, MORALLY OR ETHICALLY OFFENDED, MORALLY OR ETHICALLY TROUBLED BY ANYTHING THAT ACOSTA TROUBLED BY ANYTHING THAT ACOSTA DID IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. DID IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. AND IT IS EXTRAORDINARY BOTH THE AND IT IS EXTRAORDINARY BOTH THE SILENCE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, SILENCE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, I MEAN, THIS HAPPENED A WHILE I MEAN, THIS HAPPENED A WHILE AGO. AGO. WHEN THEY DECIDED TO HITCH THEIR WHEN THEY DECIDED TO HITCH THEIR WAGON TO DONALD TRUMP AND SAID WAGON TO DONALD TRUMP AND SAID THAT THERE WAS NOTHING THAT HE THAT THERE WAS NOTHING THAT HE WAS GOING TO DO OR SAY THIS THEY WAS GOING TO DO OR SAY THIS THEY WERE GOING TO OBJECT TO, THEY WERE GOING TO OBJECT TO, THEY WROTE THEIR FATE. WROTE THEIR FATE. AND THERE’S NO BOTTOM WITH HIM AND THERE’S NO BOTTOM WITH HIM AND SO THERE’S NO BOTTOM WITH AND SO THERE’S NO BOTTOM WITH THEM. THEM. AND ONCE UPON A TIME THIS WAS A AND ONCE UPON A TIME THIS WAS A PARTY THAT APPOINTED ITSELF AS A PARTY THAT APPOINTED ITSELF AS A PARTY OF FAMILY VALUES. PARTY OF FAMILY VALUES.>>WHAT A JOKE.>>WHAT A JOKE.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. A JOKE AND HYPOCRISY AND JUST AN A JOKE AND HYPOCRISY AND JUST AN EXTRAORDINARY OFFENSE. EXTRAORDINARY OFFENSE. I MEAN, THESE ARE YOUNG GIRLS I MEAN, THESE ARE YOUNG GIRLS WHO ARE BEING SEXUALLY ASSAULTED WHO ARE BEING SEXUALLY ASSAULTED AND THEY DON’T CARE. AND THEY DON’T CARE. AND THEY’RE SIDING WITH RICH, AND THEY’RE SIDING WITH RICH, POWERFUL MEN AGAINST THESE KIDS. POWERFUL MEN AGAINST THESE KIDS. AND THE FACT THAT THEY’RE NOT AND THE FACT THAT THEY’RE NOT BLINKING TWICE IS SUCH AN BLINKING TWICE IS SUCH AN INDICTMENT. INDICTMENT.>>WE JUMPED RIGHT TO THE>>WE JUMPED RIGHT TO THE POLITICS, BUT LET ME SAY POLITICS, BUT LET ME SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE VICTIMS. SOMETHING ABOUT THE VICTIMS. THIS IS FROM THE MIAMI HERALD. THIS IS FROM THE MIAMI HERALD. THIS IS FROM MORE OF JULIE K. THIS IS FROM MORE OF JULIE K. BROWN’S REPORTING. BROWN’S REPORTING. SHE WAS WITH US YESTERDAY. SHE WAS WITH US YESTERDAY. SHE’S A REPORTER WHO FELLOW SHE’S A REPORTER WHO FELLOW PROSECUTORS GRACIOUSLY CREDITED PROSECUTORS GRACIOUSLY CREDITED WITH BLING SOME OF THESE WITH BLING SOME OF THESE ALLEGATIONS TO THEIR ATTENTION. ALLEGATIONS TO THEIR ATTENTION. JULIA REPORTED THIS WAS NOT A HE JULIA REPORTED THIS WAS NOT A HE SAID/SHE SAID SITUATION, THIS SAID/SHE SAID SITUATION, THIS WAS 50 SOMETHING SHES AND ONE WAS 50 SOMETHING SHES AND ONE HE. HE. ALL THE SHES BASICALLY TOLD THE ALL THE SHES BASICALLY TOLD THE SAME STORY. SAME STORY. RETIRED PALM BEACH POLICE CHIEF RETIRED PALM BEACH POLICE CHIEF MICHAEL RYDER WHO SUPERVISED THE MICHAEL RYDER WHO SUPERVISED THE PROBE. PROBE. JULIA ALSO REPORTING THAT THE JULIA ALSO REPORTING THAT THE DAMAGE THAT HAPPENS IN THIS CASE DAMAGE THAT HAPPENS IN THIS CASE IS UNCONSCIONABLE, A FORMER IS UNCONSCIONABLE, A FORMER PROSECUTOR. PROSECUTOR. HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU, THE HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU, THE U.S. ATTORNEY, ENGAGE IN A U.S. ATTORNEY, ENGAGE IN A NEGOTIATION WITH A CRIMINAL NEGOTIATION WITH A CRIMINAL DEFENDANT BASICALLY ALLOWING THE DEFENDANT BASICALLY ALLOWING THE CRIMINAL DEFENDANT TO WRITE UP CRIMINAL DEFENDANT TO WRITE UP THE AGREEMENT? THE AGREEMENT? SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU, HEIDI, SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU, HEIDI, DO YOU EXPECT THE DEMOCRATS TO DO YOU EXPECT THE DEMOCRATS TO CALL PALM BEACH PLEAS POLICE CALL PALM BEACH PLEAS POLICE CHIEF MICHAEL RYDER AND THE CHIEF MICHAEL RYDER AND THE LAWYERS FOR THE VICTIMS, BRADLEY LAWYERS FOR THE VICTIMS, BRADLEY EDWARDS IS ANOTHER NAME, TO EDWARDS IS ANOTHER NAME, TO TESTIFY? TESTIFY? DO YOU EXPECT CONGRESSIONAL DO YOU EXPECT CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS IN THIS CASE. HEARINGS IN THIS CASE.>>THEY’RE LOOKING INTO THAT>>THEY’RE LOOKING INTO THAT LITERALLY AS WE SPEAK. LITERALLY AS WE SPEAK. THE MOST OBVIOUS PLACES THIS THE MOST OBVIOUS PLACES THIS WOULD COME FROM IS THE HOUSE AND WOULD COME FROM IS THE HOUSE AND THE OVERSIGHT JUDICIAL THE OVERSIGHT JUDICIAL COMMITTEES, WHICH THEY HAVE COMMITTEES, WHICH THEY HAVE THEIR HANDS FULL RIGHT NOW. THEIR HANDS FULL RIGHT NOW. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING I’VE BEEN BUT THIS IS SOMETHING I’VE BEEN TALKING TO THEM ABOUT REALLY FOR TALKING TO THEM ABOUT REALLY FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS. A COUPLE OF MONTHS. THEY HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN, FOR THEY HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN, FOR INSTANCE, ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT INSTANCE, ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE’S INVESTIGATION INTO OF JUSTICE’S INVESTIGATION INTO ACOSTA’S BEHAVIOR BECAUSE WHO’S ACOSTA’S BEHAVIOR BECAUSE WHO’S IN CHARGE OF TRANSPARENCY AROUND IN CHARGE OF TRANSPARENCY AROUND THAT? THAT? WELL, IT’S WILLIAM BARR. WELL, IT’S WILLIAM BARR. AND SO I COULD FORESEE A AND SO I COULD FORESEE A SITUATION WHERE THEY BRING IN SITUATION WHERE THEY BRING IN NOT ONLY THE INDIVIDUALS THAT NOT ONLY THE INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU MENTIONED, BUT MAYBE EVEN YOU MENTIONED, BUT MAYBE EVEN SOME OF THE WOMEN. SOME OF THE WOMEN.>>THE VICTIMS.>>THE VICTIMS.>>WHO HAVEN’T BEEN HEARD FROM.>>WHO HAVEN’T BEEN HEARD FROM. VICTIMS. VICTIMS. BECAUSE, LOOK, THE HORRIBLE BECAUSE, LOOK, THE HORRIBLE INSIDIOUS THING ABOUT THIS WAS INSIDIOUS THING ABOUT THIS WAS NOT JUST THE SENTENCING THAT YOU NOT JUST THE SENTENCING THAT YOU REALLY CAN’T EXPLAIN HOW YOU GET REALLY CAN’T EXPLAIN HOW YOU GET FROM LIFE IN PRISON TO SOME KIND FROM LIFE IN PRISON TO SOME KIND OF A WORK STUDY PROGRAM, BUT HOW OF A WORK STUDY PROGRAM, BUT HOW THE WOMEN WERE HUSHED UP. THE WOMEN WERE HUSHED UP. HOW THEY WERE NOT EVEN MADE HOW THEY WERE NOT EVEN MADE AWARE OF THE NONPROSECUTION AWARE OF THE NONPROSECUTION AGREEMENT SUCH THAT THEY WERE AGREEMENT SUCH THAT THEY WERE COMPLETELY SILENCED IN THIS. COMPLETELY SILENCED IN THIS. AND SO THEY HAVE NOT EVEN HAD A AND SO THEY HAVE NOT EVEN HAD A CHANCE OVER ALL THESE YEARS TO CHANCE OVER ALL THESE YEARS TO TELL THEIR STORY. TELL THEIR STORY. SO IF THIS HAPPENS, NICOLE, I SO IF THIS HAPPENS, NICOLE, I DON’T HAVE A DA FINTIVEEFINITIVE DON’T HAVE A DA FINTIVEEFINITIVE TO THAT, I WOULD LOOK TO SOME OF TO THAT, I WOULD LOOK TO SOME OF THE WOMEN BEING CALLED FORWARD. THE WOMEN BEING CALLED FORWARD. THAT’S WHEN IT’S GOING TO PUT THAT’S WHEN IT’S GOING TO PUT PRESSURE ON TRUMP. PRESSURE ON TRUMP. ALL THOSE PICTURES YOU TALKED ALL THOSE PICTURES YOU TALKED ABOUT AND THE HISTORY THERE WILL ABOUT AND THE HISTORY THERE WILL ALSO COME OUT AS WELL. ALSO COME OUT AS WELL.>>WHERE DOES IT HAPPEN IN THE>>WHERE DOES IT HAPPEN IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT THAT ACOSTA’S JUSTICE DEPARTMENT THAT ACOSTA’S CONDUCT WILL BE INVESTIGATED AND CONDUCT WILL BE INVESTIGATED AND SCRUTINIZED? SCRUTINIZED? WHAT IS — HEIDI MAKES AN WHAT IS — HEIDI MAKES AN EXCELLENT POINT, THAT IF WILLIAM EXCELLENT POINT, THAT IF WILLIAM BARR WHO HAD THE AUDACITY AND BARR WHO HAD THE AUDACITY AND THE YOU KNOW WHAT’S TO LIE ABOUT THE YOU KNOW WHAT’S TO LIE ABOUT ROBERT MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION, ROBERT MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION, WHAT HOPE DO WE THE PEOPLE HAVE WHAT HOPE DO WE THE PEOPLE HAVE TO SEEING ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT TO SEEING ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THEY LEARN ABOUT AKOOFTA’SCOSTA’ THEY LEARN ABOUT AKOOFTA’SCOSTA’ DISPOSITION IN THIS CASE? DISPOSITION IN THIS CASE?>>THERE’S TWO PLACES.>>THERE’S TWO PLACES. THE FIRST IS THE OFFICE OF THE FIRST IS THE OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. IF IT’S ATTORNEY MISCONDUCT, IF IF IT’S ATTORNEY MISCONDUCT, IF AN ATTORNEY DID SOMETHING WRONG AN ATTORNEY DID SOMETHING WRONG IN HIS OR HER PRESENTATION TO IN HIS OR HER PRESENTATION TO THE COURT, MISREPRESENTED THE COURT, MISREPRESENTED SOMETHING TO A DEFENSE ATTORNEY, SOMETHING TO A DEFENSE ATTORNEY, VIOLATED SOME ETHICAL RULE, THE VIOLATED SOME ETHICAL RULE, THE OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY WOULD AND SHOULD RESPONSIBILITY WOULD AND SHOULD LOOK AT IT. LOOK AT IT. AND IT’S A BUSY PLACE. AND IT’S A BUSY PLACE. BECAUSE THEY GET LOTS OF BECAUSE THEY GET LOTS OF REFERRALS. REFERRALS. SOME OF WHICH TURN OUT TO BE SOME OF WHICH TURN OUT TO BE NOTHING AT ALL AND SOME OF WHICH NOTHING AT ALL AND SOME OF WHICH TURN OUT TO BE QUITE SERIOUS. TURN OUT TO BE QUITE SERIOUS. THE OTHER PLACE WOULD BE THE THE OTHER PLACE WOULD BE THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL. OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL. IF A CRIME HAD BEEN COMMITTED. IF A CRIME HAD BEEN COMMITTED. OR THERE WAS SOME OTHER SORT OF OR THERE WAS SOME OTHER SORT OF SIGNIFICANT MISCONDUCT. SIGNIFICANT MISCONDUCT. NOW, THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR NOW, THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL ALMOST ALWAYS MAKES ITS GENERAL ALMOST ALWAYS MAKES ITS REPORTS PUBLIC. REPORTS PUBLIC. THE OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL THE OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY SELDOM DOES. RESPONSIBILITY SELDOM DOES.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>AND THAT’S BECAUSE MANY TIMES>>AND THAT’S BECAUSE MANY TIMES ATTORNEYS WHO DO SOMETHING WRONG ATTORNEYS WHO DO SOMETHING WRONG HAVEN’T VIOLATED THE LAW. HAVEN’T VIOLATED THE LAW. THEY NEED TO BE REPRESENT THEY NEED TO BE REPRESENT MANNED, THEY NEED TO BE MANNED, THEY NEED TO BE COUNSELED, RETRAINED, BUT WE COUNSELED, RETRAINED, BUT WE DON’T NECESSARILY WANT TO TELL DON’T NECESSARILY WANT TO TELL THE ENTIRE STORY TO THE PUBLIC THE ENTIRE STORY TO THE PUBLIC IF SOMEONE’S GOING TO REMAIN IF SOMEONE’S GOING TO REMAIN EMPLOYED. EMPLOYED. IT’S A SENSITIVE BALANCE. IT’S A SENSITIVE BALANCE.>>IT’S SENSITIVE, BUT WHAT>>IT’S SENSITIVE, BUT WHAT SEEMS — I MEAN, THE PEOPLE SEEMS — I MEAN, THE PEOPLE AROUND WHOM WE SHOULD BE AROUND WHOM WE SHOULD BE CONDUCTING OURSELVES WITH CONDUCTING OURSELVES WITH SENSITIVITY WOULD APPEAR TO ME SENSITIVITY WOULD APPEAR TO ME TO BE THE 50 TO 60 KNOWN VICTIMS TO BE THE 50 TO 60 KNOWN VICTIMS OF SEXUAL — ALLEGED SEXUAL OF SEXUAL — ALLEGED SEXUAL ASSAULT. ASSAULT. I JUST WONDER, CAN YOU THINK OF I JUST WONDER, CAN YOU THINK OF A SINGLE OTHER CASE WHERE SEXUAL A SINGLE OTHER CASE WHERE SEXUAL PREDATOR WITH 60 ALLEGED VICTIMS PREDATOR WITH 60 ALLEGED VICTIMS HAD ONE DAY A WEEK IN COUNTY HAD ONE DAY A WEEK IN COUNTY JAIL? JAIL?>>ABSOLUTELY NOT.>>ABSOLUTELY NOT. AND I — AND I –>>I DON’T EVEN THINK SVUs EVER>>I DON’T EVEN THINK SVUs EVER TOUCHED THAT. TOUCHED THAT. THAT DOESN’T EXIST IN FICTION. THAT DOESN’T EXIST IN FICTION.>>THE LEGAL WORD FOR IT IS>>THE LEGAL WORD FOR IT IS INSANE. INSANE. YOU JUST DON’T SEE THIS. YOU JUST DON’T SEE THIS. BUT HERE’S THE THING ABOUT THE BUT HERE’S THE THING ABOUT THE VICTIMS. VICTIMS. TO HEIDI’S POINT, INCREDIBLY TO HEIDI’S POINT, INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THEM P&L. IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THEM P&L. BUT ALSO INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO BUT ALSO INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO THEM. BE SENSITIVE TO THEM. TESTIFYING AT A TRIAL IS A VERY TESTIFYING AT A TRIAL IS A VERY HARD THING FOR SOME VICTIMS TO HARD THING FOR SOME VICTIMS TO DO. DO.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT. IT RETRAUMATIZES VICTIMS. IT RETRAUMATIZES VICTIMS.>>MANY IN SOME CASES.>>MANY IN SOME CASES. SOME OF FINE, BUT OFTEN SOME SOME OF FINE, BUT OFTEN SOME NOT. NOT. YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT CALLING THEM TO TESTIFY PUBLICLY CALLING THEM TO TESTIFY PUBLICLY ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS AND YOU ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS AND YOU WOULD WANT TO HANDLE IT WOULD WANT TO HANDLE IT SENSITIVELY. SENSITIVELY. U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE ALSO ALL U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE ALSO ALL HAVE VICTIM/WITNESS HAVE VICTIM/WITNESS COORDINATORS, COUNSELORS, PEOPLE COORDINATORS, COUNSELORS, PEOPLE HOR TRAINED IN WORKING WITH HOR TRAINED IN WORKING WITH VICTIMS HELPING THEM TO PREPARE. VICTIMS HELPING THEM TO PREPARE. AND IF THESE WOMEN ARE GOING AND IF THESE WOMEN ARE GOING TESTIFY AND THEY MIGHT HAVE TO, TESTIFY AND THEY MIGHT HAVE TO, I WOULD WANT TO SEE IT DONE VERY I WOULD WANT TO SEE IT DONE VERY CAREFULLY AND AS LIMITED AS CAREFULLY AND AS LIMITED AS POSSIBLE. POSSIBLE.>>JUDICIALLY.>>JUDICIALLY.>>JUDICIALLY.>>JUDICIALLY.>>ASHLEY PARKER, I CAN’T HELP>>ASHLEY PARKER, I CAN’T HELP BUT JUST REFLECT UPON FOR A BUT JUST REFLECT UPON FOR A SECOND AND I WANT TO DO THIS SECOND AND I WANT TO DO THIS WITH YOU, OF ALL THAT TRUMP WITH YOU, OF ALL THAT TRUMP USHERED IN. USHERED IN. JEFFREY EPSTEIN IS THE VILLAIN JEFFREY EPSTEIN IS THE VILLAIN ACCUSED OF UNTHINKABLE AND ACCUSED OF UNTHINKABLE AND UNCONSCIONABLE CONDUCT I THINK UNCONSCIONABLE CONDUCT I THINK JEFF BERMAN IN THE SOUTHERN JEFF BERMAN IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK DESCRIBED DISTRICT OF NEW YORK DESCRIBED IT APTLY WHEN HE CALLED IT IT APTLY WHEN HE CALLED IT HORRIFIC AND UNIMAGINABLE CRIMES HORRIFIC AND UNIMAGINABLE CRIMES ALLEGED AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN. ALLEGED AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN. BUT, AGAIN, WE ARE LEADING OUR BUT, AGAIN, WE ARE LEADING OUR PROGRAM WITH A STORY ABOUT A MAN PROGRAM WITH A STORY ABOUT A MAN WHO RAN IN DONALD TRUMP’S WHO RAN IN DONALD TRUMP’S CIRCLES. CIRCLES. IS THERE ANY SHAME? IS THERE ANY SHAME? IS THERE ANY ACKNOWLEDGEMENT IS THERE ANY ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT HE RAN AROUND WAY LOT OF THAT HE RAN AROUND WAY LOT OF LOW LOW LOW LIFEs. LOW LIFEs.>>KEEP IN MIND THIS IS A>>KEEP IN MIND THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO BOASTED THAT HE PRESIDENT WHO BOASTED THAT HE ONLY SURROUNDS HIMSELF WITH THE ONLY SURROUNDS HIMSELF WITH THE BEST PEOPLE. BEST PEOPLE. I THINK IT’S BECOME QUITE CLEAR I THINK IT’S BECOME QUITE CLEAR THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE. THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE. YOU DID LOOK AT THE PEOPLE IN YOU DID LOOK AT THE PEOPLE IN PRESIDENT’S ORBIT WHO ARE IN PRESIDENT’S ORBIT WHO ARE IN JAIL. JAIL. YOU CAN LOOK AT PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAN LOOK AT PEOPLE LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN IN THE IS NOT JEFFREY EPSTEIN IN THE IS NOT THE CASE WITH THE PRESIDENT YET, THE CASE WITH THE PRESIDENT YET, HE HASN’T REALLY WEIGHED IN OPEN HE HASN’T REALLY WEIGHED IN OPEN THIS SPECIFICALLY, BUT THIS SPECIFICALLY, BUT OFTENTIMES WHEN WE SEE SOMEONE OFTENTIMES WHEN WE SEE SOMEONE IN THE PRESIDENT’S ORBIT, A IN THE PRESIDENT’S ORBIT, A POWERFUL MAN WHO HAS BEEN POWERFUL MAN WHO HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT, ACCUSED OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT, RAPE, SEXUAL MISBEHAVIOR, RAPE, SEXUAL MISBEHAVIOR, WHATEVER IT IS BY WOMEN, THE WHATEVER IT IS BY WOMEN, THE PRESIDENT’S IMPULSE GENERALLY IS PRESIDENT’S IMPULSE GENERALLY IS TO BELIEVE THE MAN’S CLAIMS OF TO BELIEVE THE MAN’S CLAIMS OF INNOCENCE. INNOCENCE. PEOPLE SAY THAT COMES FROM THE PEOPLE SAY THAT COMES FROM THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF BEING ACCUSED PRESIDENT HIMSELF BEING ACCUSED BY OVER A DOZEN WOMEN OF SEXUAL BY OVER A DOZEN WOMEN OF SEXUAL MISBEHAVIOR AND MOST RECENTLY MISBEHAVIOR AND MOST RECENTLY RAPE. RAPE. AND, AGAIN, HE HASN’T SAID THAT AND, AGAIN, HE HASN’T SAID THAT ABOUT JEFFREY EPSTEIN BUT IT IS ABOUT JEFFREY EPSTEIN BUT IT IS ONE THING THAT’S STRIKING TO ONE THING THAT’S STRIKING TO YOUR BROADER QUESTION, IT’S WHO YOUR BROADER QUESTION, IT’S WHO IS IN THE PRESIDENT’S ORBIT AND IS IN THE PRESIDENT’S ORBIT AND THEN WHEN THERE IS A THEN WHEN THERE IS A CONTROVERSY, WHO THE PRESIDENT CONTROVERSY, WHO THE PRESIDENT MOST FREQUENTLY CHOOSES TO MOST FREQUENTLY CHOOSES TO BELIEF. BELIEF.>>IT’S A GREAT POINT AND I WAS>>IT’S A GREAT POINT AND I WAS THINKING YESTERDAY ABOUT ROB THINKING YESTERDAY ABOUT ROB PORTER. PORTER. I REMEMBER HIM IN THE SAME I REMEMBER HIM IN THE SAME SETTING WE SHOWED IN THE OVAL SETTING WE SHOWED IN THE OVAL OFFICE SAYING OH, GOD, YOU’RE OFFICE SAYING OH, GOD, YOU’RE GOING RESCUE THIN POOR MAN’S GOING RESCUE THIN POOR MAN’S LIFE. LIFE. NEVER A PUBLIC COMMENT. NEVER A PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING IF WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING IF THERE WAS ANY PRIVATE CONCERN THERE WAS ANY PRIVATE CONCERN FOR THE ALLEGED VICTIMS OF FOR THE ALLEGED VICTIMS OF PORTER’S PHYSICAL ASSAULT PORTER’S PHYSICAL ASSAULT AGAINST HIS TWO EX-WIVES. AGAINST HIS TWO EX-WIVES. ROY MOORE TALKED ABOUT HOW IT ROY MOORE TALKED ABOUT HOW IT WAS SO LONG AGO AND ON AND OPEN WAS SO LONG AGO AND ON AND OPEN AND ON AND ON. AND ON AND ON. DO YOU FEEL ANY PRESSURE DO YOU FEEL ANY PRESSURE BUILDING INSIDE THAT WHITE HOUSE BUILDING INSIDE THAT WHITE HOUSE TO SAY SOMETHING TO CONDEMN TO SAY SOMETHING TO CONDEMN JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S CONDUCT? JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S CONDUCT?>>THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION.>>THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION. WE SORT OF DON’T KNOW YET WE SORT OF DON’T KNOW YET BECAUSE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN FACED THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN FACED WITH HAVE BEEN TOWARDS ACOSTA. WITH HAVE BEEN TOWARDS ACOSTA. WHAT HAPPENED WITH YOUR LABOR WHAT HAPPENED WITH YOUR LABOR SECRETARY? SECRETARY? IS HOW THAT GOING TO BE HANDLED? IS HOW THAT GOING TO BE HANDLED? BUT I DO THINK IN THIS WORLD BUT I DO THINK IN THIS WORLD THERE IS A CHANCE THAT THE THERE IS A CHANCE THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN PRETTY CLEAR PRESIDENT HAS BEEN PRETTY CLEAR AT LEAST HIS ATTORNEY TO THE AT LEAST HIS ATTORNEY TO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION TO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION TO THE “WASHINGTON POST” KIND OF SAID “WASHINGTON POST” KIND OF SAID THE PRESIDENT REALLY SEVERED THE PRESIDENT REALLY SEVERED TIES WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN DATING TIES WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN DATING BACK OVER A DECADE. BACK OVER A DECADE. I HAVEN’T HAD ANYTHING TO DO I HAVEN’T HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIM IN 15 YEARS. WITH HIM IN 15 YEARS. I DON’T KNOW IF THAT’S TRUE. I DON’T KNOW IF THAT’S TRUE. BUT IT DOES SEEM THAT THE BUT IT DOES SEEM THAT THE PRESIDENT IS WILLING AND EAGER PRESIDENT IS WILLING AND EAGER TO DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM JEFFREY TO DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM JEFFREY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN. SO THERE MIGHT BE A WORLD IN SO THERE MIGHT BE A WORLD IN WHICH A CONDEMNATION OF HIM AND WHICH A CONDEMNATION OF HIM AND HIS BEHAVIOR WITH NOT JUST THESE HIS BEHAVIOR WITH NOT JUST THESE YOUNG WOMEN, BUT THESE TEENAGERS YOUNG WOMEN, BUT THESE TEENAGERS AND PRETEENS. AND PRETEENS. ONE OF THE VICTIMS SAID SHE WAS ONE OF THE VICTIMS SAID SHE WAS STILL IN BRACES WHEN THIS WAS STILL IN BRACES WHEN THIS WAS HAPPENING. HAPPENING. THERE IS A CHANCE THAT THE WHITE THERE IS A CHANCE THAT THE WHITE HOUSE WOULD SEECOULD SEE THAT’S HOUSE WOULD SEECOULD SEE THAT’S HIM TO ISSUE A STRONG PUBLIC

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ALTHOUGH SHE WAS NOT ON HIS PAYROLL, HE HELPED ORGANIZING PAYROLL, HE HELPED ORGANIZING HIS LIFE AND CALLING HER “HIS HIS LIFE AND CALLING HER “HIS BEST FRIEND.” BEST FRIEND.”>>LET’S BRING IN TOM WINTER AND>>LET’S BRING IN TOM WINTER AND OUR STEVE EATON. OUR STEVE EATON. TOM, TO YOU FIRST. TOM, TO YOU FIRST. REVELATIONS IN EACH COURT REVELATIONS IN EACH COURT DOCUMENTS OF MAXWELL, WHAT DID DOCUMENTS OF MAXWELL, WHAT DID THEY CONFIRM THAT WE DID NOT THEY CONFIRM THAT WE DID NOT KNOW ALREADY? KNOW ALREADY? THIS IS THE DAUGHTER O F A THIS IS THE DAUGHTER O F A SWINDLER AND A CON MAN WHEN HER SWINDLER AND A CON MAN WHEN HER FATHER ROBERT MAXWELL DIED FATHER ROBERT MAXWELL DIED MYSTERIOUSLY MYSTERIOUSLY MYSTERIOUSLY FOUND NAKED ALL OF MYSTERIOUSLY FOUND NAKED ALL OF HIS YACHT. HIS YACHT. HE OWNED OVER 40 BANKS. HE OWNED OVER 40 BANKS. $4 BILLION. $4 BILLION. HOW DID HESHE ROLL WITH SOME OF HOW DID HESHE ROLL WITH SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN THE THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD AND NOW NO ONE KNOWS WHERE WORLD AND NOW NO ONE KNOWS WHERE SHE IS. SHE IS. HOW CAN SHE AFFORD LIVING OFF HOW CAN SHE AFFORD LIVING OFF THE GRID? THE GRID? I CAN’T. I CAN’T.>>GETTING INTO THE MAXWELL’S>>GETTING INTO THE MAXWELL’S FINANCES AND GETTING INTO THE FINANCES AND GETTING INTO THE EXACT QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED, EXACT QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED, HOW IS SHE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO HOW IS SHE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO THIS OR AFFORD TO LIVE IN THIS THIS OR AFFORD TO LIVE IN THIS WORLD. WORLD. WE KNOW FROM SOME OF THE WE KNOW FROM SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT JEFFERY EPSTEIN DOCUMENTS THAT JEFFERY EPSTEIN BOUGHT HER A HELICOPTER AND SHE BOUGHT HER A HELICOPTER AND SHE FLEW THAT HELICOPTER AND SO WHEN FLEW THAT HELICOPTER AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS. YOU LOOK AT THIS. YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, HOW DID SHE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN HOW DID SHE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THIS LIFESTYLE AND HOW MUCH OF THIS LIFESTYLE AND HOW MUCH OF THAT AND HOW MUCH OF THOSE MEANS THAT AND HOW MUCH OF THOSE MEANS CAME FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN AND CAME FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN AND HOW MUCH WAS MONEY SHE MAY HAVE HOW MUCH WAS MONEY SHE MAY HAVE HAD THAT COULD HAVE BEEN HAD THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SEPARATE FROM HER FATHER. SEPARATE FROM HER FATHER. THE WHOLE THING IS A MYSTERY. THE WHOLE THING IS A MYSTERY. IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE GETS IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE GETS INTO EPSTEIN’S WORLD. INTO EPSTEIN’S WORLD. IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE STAYED IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE STAYED THIS IN WORLD. THIS IN WORLD. SHE HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT OF SHE HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT OF CHELSEA CLINTON’S WEDDING. CHELSEA CLINTON’S WEDDING. HOW DID SHE STAY IN THIS MIX AND HOW DID SHE STAY IN THIS MIX AND TRAVEL IN THESE CIRCLES AND TRAVEL IN THESE CIRCLES AND WHERE DID THINGS GO NEXT FOR WHERE DID THINGS GO NEXT FOR HER? HER?>>NO AUTHORITIES KNOW AND THEY>>NO AUTHORITIES KNOW AND THEY HAVE NOT TOLD US? HAVE NOT TOLD US?>>IT IS NOT A QUESTION THEY>>IT IS NOT A QUESTION THEY WOULD DIVLULGE TO US. WOULD DIVLULGE TO US. NOBODY HAVE SEEN HER OR HEARD NOBODY HAVE SEEN HER OR HEARD FROM HER FOR A LONG TIME. FROM HER FOR A LONG TIME. WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HER WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HER ATTORNEYS NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. ATTORNEYS NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. WHEN WE DO THIS STORY AND WE WHEN WE DO THIS STORY AND WE TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY IN THEIR ACTIONS, IT IS THEIR IN THEIR ACTIONS, IT IS THEIR POLICIES HERE AND WE TRY TO POLICIES HERE AND WE TRY TO REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON AND REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON AND THAT PARTY BECAUSE THAT’S THE THAT PARTY BECAUSE THAT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. RIGHT THING TO DO. WE WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. WE WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. IF MAXWELL IS STILL SOLICITING, IF MAXWELL IS STILL SOLICITING, WE KNOW OUR NUMBERS AND WE HAVE WE KNOW OUR NUMBERS AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO REACH YOU AND WE BEEN TRYING TO REACH YOU AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THOSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU REFERENCED ON DOCUMENTS THAT YOU REFERENCED ON FRIDAY. FRIDAY.>>STEVE, NOW WHAT HE’S DEAD,>>STEVE, NOW WHAT HE’S DEAD, ALL THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING ALL THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO WHETHER IT IS GHISLAINE INTO WHETHER IT IS GHISLAINE MAXWELL’S MONEY OR TO DEUTSCHE MAXWELL’S MONEY OR TO DEUTSCHE BANK, WHERE DO THOSE BANK, WHERE DO THOSE INVESTIGATIONS GO? INVESTIGATIONS GO? DO THEY DIE AWAY WITH HIM? DO THEY DIE AWAY WITH HIM?>>THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT>>THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE. HERE. THERE IS MONEY MOVING LEFT AND THERE IS MONEY MOVING LEFT AND RIGHT AND TRANSACTIONS DATING RIGHT AND TRANSACTIONS DATING BACK MANY YEARS. BACK MANY YEARS. THESE ARE MANY MILLIONS OF THESE ARE MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MOVING AROUND. DOLLARS MOVING AROUND. THE BANKS ARE SERPTCERTAINLY LOO THE BANKS ARE SERPTCERTAINLY LOO AT THEIR OWN RECORDS AND THERE AT THEIR OWN RECORDS AND THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE AS IT IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE AS IT RELATE TO THE MONEY. RELATE TO THE MONEY.>>IT WAS JUST REPORTED MOMENTS>>IT WAS JUST REPORTED MOMENTS AGO. AGO. WEXNER WAS THE ONLY SOURCE FOR WEXNER WAS THE ONLY SOURCE FOR EPSTEIN TO GET AS WEALTHY AS HE EPSTEIN TO GET AS WEALTHY AS HE DID. DID. WEXNER GAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY WEXNER GAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY WHICH WAS UNHEARD OF OVER HIS WHICH WAS UNHEARD OF OVER HIS BILLION DOLLARS FORTUNE. BILLION DOLLARS FORTUNE. WEXNER IS NOW IN THE LAST FEW WEXNER IS NOW IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS WORKING WITH AUTHORITIES. MONTHS WORKING WITH AUTHORITIES. WHY DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WHY DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IF YOU ARE LES WEXNER AND IF YOU ARE LES WEXNER AND EPSTEIN STOLE TENS OF MILLIONS EPSTEIN STOLE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM YOU OVER A OF DOLLARS FROM YOU OVER A DECADE AGO, WHY WOULD YOU WORK DECADE AGO, WHY WOULD YOU WORK WITH AUTHORITIES THEN. WITH AUTHORITIES THEN.>>MR. WEXNER REVEALED HE’S BEEN>>MR. WEXNER REVEALED HE’S BEEN A VICTIM OF FINANCIAL. A VICTIM OF FINANCIAL. MR. EPSTEIN HAD THIS AFFILIATION MR. EPSTEIN HAD THIS AFFILIATION WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS. WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS. SO THAT RAISES QUESTION. SO THAT RAISES QUESTION. WHY AUTHORITIES WERE NOT CALLED WHY AUTHORITIES WERE NOT CALLED IN BACK IN 2007, AT THE TIME IT IN BACK IN 2007, AT THE TIME IT WAS DISCOVERED. WAS DISCOVERED.>>HAD WEXNER GIVEN AN ANSWER TO>>HAD WEXNER GIVEN AN ANSWER TO THAT? THAT?>>IF I WALK INTO VICTORIA’S>>IF I WALK INTO VICTORIA’S SECRET RIGHT NOW AND STOLE A SECRET RIGHT NOW AND STOLE A BRA, I WOULD GET ARRESTED. BRA, I WOULD GET ARRESTED.>>WHY WOULD WEXNER NOT CALL>>WHY WOULD WEXNER NOT CALL AUTHORITIES WHEN EPSTEIN STOLE 6 AUTHORITIES WHEN EPSTEIN STOLE 6 BILLION BUCKS FROM HIM AT LEAST. BILLION BUCKS FROM HIM AT LEAST.>>WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME>>WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY, ROUGHLY A AMOUNT OF MONEY, ROUGHLY A $100 MILLION RECRUITED BACK AS $100 MILLION RECRUITED BACK AS PART OF THIS BUT THERE HAS NOT PART OF THIS BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN A FULL AREA ON THAT ASPECT. BEEN A FULL AREA ON THAT ASPECT.>>WILL THERE BE A LEGAL REASON>>WILL THERE BE A LEGAL REASON TO GET THESE ANSWERS FROM THE TO GET THESE ANSWERS FROM THE LIKES OF WEXNER. LIKES OF WEXNER. OBVIOUSLY REPORTERS ARE OBVIOUSLY REPORTERS ARE INTERESTED. INTERESTED. LES WEXNER DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE LES WEXNER DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE OUR CALLS. OUR CALLS. ARE THERE GOING TO BE DEMANDS OR ARE THERE GOING TO BE DEMANDS OR INCREASES FROM THE GOVERNMENT INCREASES FROM THE GOVERNMENT NOW THAT EPSTEIN IS DEAD. NOW THAT EPSTEIN IS DEAD.>>ONE IS FROM A CIVIL>>ONE IS FROM A CIVIL STANDPOINT FOR THE VICTIMS WHEN STANDPOINT FOR THE VICTIMS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THEM GETTING WE TALK ABOUT THEM GETTING JUSTICE. JUSTICE. SOME OF THESE FIGURES MAY HAVE SOME OF THESE FIGURES MAY HAVE FUNDED EPSTEIN AND IF THAT MONEY FUNDED EPSTEIN AND IF THAT MONEY AND ANY MONEY THAT WENT TO AND ANY MONEY THAT WENT TO EPSTEIN TO FUND THIS CONSPIRACY EPSTEIN TO FUND THIS CONSPIRACY THAT IT WAS BEING CHARGED WITH, THAT IT WAS BEING CHARGED WITH, THAT’S SOMETHING THAT THAT’S SOMETHING THAT PROSECUTORS COULD BE INTEREST PROSECUTORS COULD BE INTEREST IN. IN. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY CAME IN AND KEEP AN EYE MONEY CAME IN AND KEEP AN EYE ON. ON. FOR THE LAST FOOIIVE YEARS, THEY FOR THE LAST FOOIIVE YEARS, THEY HAD BANKING RECORDS. HAD BANKING RECORDS. IF EARNINGS DISCLOSE THAT IN IF EARNINGS DISCLOSE THAT IN PUBLIC FILINGS. PUBLIC FILINGS.>>WOULD IT BE EASIER TO GET>>WOULD IT BE EASIER TO GET SOME OF THIS INFORMATION NOW SOME OF THIS INFORMATION NOW THAT HE’S DEAD? THAT HE’S DEAD?>>IF I AM EPSTEIN’S LAWYER, I>>IF I AM EPSTEIN’S LAWYER, I AM NOT GELTTTING PAID BY HIM AS AM NOT GELTTTING PAID BY HIM AS SATURDAYS. SATURDAYS.>>SOME OF THOSE ATTORNEYS MAY>>SOME OF THOSE ATTORNEYS MAY BE MANAGING HIS ESTATE. BE MANAGING HIS ESTATE. FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THE BORA FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THE BORA KIMABLES KIMABLES BILLABLES KEEP GOING BECAUSE BILLABLES KEEP GOING BECAUSE THEY ARE MANAGING ON STATE. THEY ARE MANAGING ON STATE. WE ARE REPORTING HERE — WE ARE REPORTING HERE –>>EPSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS?>>EPSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS?>>IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT THE>>IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT THE ESTATE WOULD SUE MCC. ESTATE WOULD SUE MCC. DANNY DANNY DANNY CEVALLOS BROUGHT UP A DANNY CEVALLOS BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT BEFORE. GREAT POINT BEFORE. IRREGULARITYIES OF THIS FACILITY IRREGULARITYIES OF THIS FACILITY>>HOLD ON, IRREGULARITIES THAT>>HOLD ON, IRREGULARITIES THAT ALLOWED HIM TO HAVE THE ALLOWED HIM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KILL HIMSELF. OPPORTUNITY TO KILL HIMSELF.>>THE POSSIBILITY DOES EXIST.>>THE POSSIBILITY DOES EXIST. IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. TO CONSIDER. I DON’T THINK THE IDEA THAT WE I DON’T THINK THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE THIS BUTTON UP BY THE END HAVE THIS BUTTON UP BY THE END OF THE WEEK AND HOW IT IS OF THE WEEK AND HOW IT IS EXECUTED IN THE STATE. EXECUTED IN THE STATE. IT IS COMPLICATED AND DEFINITELY IT IS COMPLICATED AND DEFINITELY GOING TO BE KEEP TRACK OF. GOING TO BE KEEP TRACK OF. THE CIVIL ATTORNEYS DEFINITELY THE CIVIL ATTORNEYS DEFINITELY HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS. HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS. THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO GET THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO GET FINANCIAL JUSTICE FROM JEFFERY FINANCIAL JUSTICE FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN.>>STEVE, IF I AM DEUTSCHE BANK>>STEVE, IF I AM DEUTSCHE BANK OR JP MORGAN AND IP AM WATCHING OR JP MORGAN AND IP AM WATCHING THE CLOCK, THIS GUY IS GOING TO THE CLOCK, THIS GUY IS GOING TO HAVE A TRIAL DATE A YEAR FROM HAVE A TRIAL DATE A YEAR FROM NOW, I AM GOING TO CALL TO BE NOW, I AM GOING TO CALL TO BE TESTIFY, ARE ALL THOSE PARTIES

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>>>THIS MORNING THERE ARE MORE>>>THIS MORNING THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. A WHOLE LOT MORE IN THE CASE A WHOLE LOT MORE IN THE CASE AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS APPARENT SUICIDE IN A MANHATTAN APPARENT SUICIDE IN A MANHATTAN JAIL OVER THE WEEKEND. JAIL OVER THE WEEKEND. HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THE REPORTER WHO BROKE QUESTIONS THE REPORTER WHO BROKE THIS STORY WIDE OPEN AND PUT THIS STORY WIDE OPEN AND PUT EPSTEIN BACK INTO THE EPSTEIN BACK INTO THE SPOTLIGHT, “MIAMI HERALD’S” SPOTLIGHT, “MIAMI HERALD’S” JULIE K. BROWN, FORMER FEDERAL JULIE K. BROWN, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR AND PROFESSOR AT PROSECUTOR AND PROFESSOR AT GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL PAUL GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL PAUL BUTLER AND CAMERON LINDSAY WHO BUTLER AND CAMERON LINDSAY WHO SERVED AS A FEDERAL PRISON SERVED AS A FEDERAL PRISON WARDEN AND SPECIFICALLY WORKED WARDEN AND SPECIFICALLY WORKED AT MULTIPLE FACILITIES INCLUDING AT MULTIPLE FACILITIES INCLUDING THE SISTER FACILITY OF WHERE THE SISTER FACILITY OF WHERE EPSTEIN WAS. EPSTEIN WAS. CAMERON, YOU KNOW I NEED ANSWERS CAMERON, YOU KNOW I NEED ANSWERS TO HOW THIS JAIL WORKS. TO HOW THIS JAIL WORKS. BUT JULIE, I HAVE TO GO TO YOU BUT JULIE, I HAVE TO GO TO YOU FIRST. FIRST. WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUT HIS DEATH? HEARD ABOUT HIS DEATH?>>I JUST COULDN’T BELIEVE IT.>>I JUST COULDN’T BELIEVE IT. I MEAN, I GOT A PHONE CALL AND I I MEAN, I GOT A PHONE CALL AND I SAID, NO. SAID, NO. YOU KNOW, THAT CAN’T BE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THAT CAN’T BE RIGHT. I THINK EVERYBODY HAD THE SAME I THINK EVERYBODY HAD THE SAME REACTION. REACTION. HOW COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? HOW COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? GIVEN THE FACT THAT HE ALLEGEDLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT HE ALLEGEDLY TRIED SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TWO TRIED SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THIS? WEEKS PRIOR TO THIS? EVERYBODY THOUGHT THE SAME EVERYBODY THOUGHT THE SAME THING. THING. WASN’T HE UNDER SUICIDE WATCH? WASN’T HE UNDER SUICIDE WATCH? HOW COULD SOMEBODY ON SUICIDE HOW COULD SOMEBODY ON SUICIDE WATCH COMMIT SUICIDE? WATCH COMMIT SUICIDE? WE NOW KNOW THAT HE SOMEHOW WE NOW KNOW THAT HE SOMEHOW MANIPULATED THINGS SO THAT HE MANIPULATED THINGS SO THAT HE GOT OFF OF SUICIDE WATCH SO EVEN GOT OFF OF SUICIDE WATCH SO EVEN SO — SO –>>DO YOU THINK HE MANIPULATED>>DO YOU THINK HE MANIPULATED THINGS TO GET OFF SUICIDE WATCH? THINGS TO GET OFF SUICIDE WATCH?>>YES, I DO.>>YES, I DO. I DO. I DO. BECAUSE OF HIS HISTORY. BECAUSE OF HIS HISTORY. REMEMBER THE WAY HE WAS REMEMBER THE WAY HE WAS INCARCERATED IN FLORIDA, I MEAN, INCARCERATED IN FLORIDA, I MEAN, HE HAD GUARDS WHO WERE LEAVING HE HAD GUARDS WHO WERE LEAVING HIS DOOR OPEN, GUARDS WHO WERE HIS DOOR OPEN, GUARDS WHO WERE BRINGING HIM STEW, YOU KNOW, BRINGING HIM STEW, YOU KNOW, GUARDS THAT WERE CUTTING HIS GUARDS THAT WERE CUTTING HIS HAIR. HAIR. HE WAS ALLOWED TO LEAVE EVERY HE WAS ALLOWED TO LEAVE EVERY DAY WITH HIS OWN VALET AND GO TO DAY WITH HIS OWN VALET AND GO TO AN OFFICE. AN OFFICE. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME YOU KNOW, IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME AT ALL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT ALL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMEHOW BEEN ABLE TO MANIPULATE SOMEHOW BEEN ABLE TO MANIPULATE THEM INTO GIVING HIM SOME TIME THEM INTO GIVING HIM SOME TIME TO HIMSELF. TO HIMSELF.>>I KNOW YOU’VE SPOKEN TO SOME>>I KNOW YOU’VE SPOKEN TO SOME OF THE VICTIMS SINCE SATURDAY. OF THE VICTIMS SINCE SATURDAY. HOW ARE THEY PROCESSING THIS? HOW ARE THEY PROCESSING THIS?>>I THINK THEY ARE ALL STILL IN>>I THINK THEY ARE ALL STILL IN SHOCK. SHOCK. YOU KNOW, IT’S A RANGE OF YOU KNOW, IT’S A RANGE OF EMOTIONS. EMOTIONS. IT’S SHOCK, IT’S GRIEF. IT’S SHOCK, IT’S GRIEF. IT’S ANGER REALLY. IT’S ANGER REALLY. THIS IS, REPRESENTS ANOTHER THIS IS, REPRESENTS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CRIMINAL EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, IN PARTICULAR TO JUSTICE SYSTEM, IN PARTICULAR TO WEALTHY MEN WHO SEEM TO BE ABLE WEALTHY MEN WHO SEEM TO BE ABLE TO GET A DIFFERENT KIND OF TO GET A DIFFERENT KIND OF JUSTICE THAN OTHER REGULAR JUSTICE THAN OTHER REGULAR PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY. PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY.>>HOW RELIEVED ARE THEY?>>HOW RELIEVED ARE THEY? WHERE DO ALL OF THESE WHERE DO ALL OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS OR EVEN THE INVESTIGATIONS OR EVEN THE REPORTING GO? REPORTING GO? LET’S SAY MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN LET’S SAY MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN HIS CIRCLE WERE NOT CRIMINALS HIS CIRCLE WERE NOT CRIMINALS AND SEX OFFENDERS LIKE HE WAS. AND SEX OFFENDERS LIKE HE WAS. BUT WHAT IF THEY WERE JUST BUT WHAT IF THEY WERE JUST ABSOLUTE VILE SLEAZE BAGS WHO ABSOLUTE VILE SLEAZE BAGS WHO DIDN’T WANT THE PILOTS TO SAY, DIDN’T WANT THE PILOTS TO SAY, HERE’S WHO’S BEEN ON THE PLANE HERE’S WHO’S BEEN ON THE PLANE TEN TIMES, 15 TIMES? TEN TIMES, 15 TIMES? ARE THOSE PEOPLE DANCING IN THE ARE THOSE PEOPLE DANCING IN THE STREETS? STREETS?>>NO.>>NO. I DON’T THINK SO AT ALL. I DON’T THINK SO AT ALL.>>WHY?>>WHY?>>I THINK THE U.S. PROSECUTOR>>I THINK THE U.S. PROSECUTOR IS GOING TO — THERE ARE A LOT IS GOING TO — THERE ARE A LOT OF DOCUMENTS OUT THERE. OF DOCUMENTS OUT THERE. WE DON’T KNOW COMPLETELY WHAT WE DON’T KNOW COMPLETELY WHAT THE U.S. ATTORNEY HAS BUT HE HAS THE U.S. ATTORNEY HAS BUT HE HAS A BIG PAPER TRAIL. A BIG PAPER TRAIL.>>WILL WE SEE THOSE DOCUMENTS>>WILL WE SEE THOSE DOCUMENTS NOW? NOW?>>I THINK IN TIME.>>I THINK IN TIME. YOU KNOW, WHEN HE BRINGS YOU KNOW, WHEN HE BRINGS INDICTMENTS AND THE CASE GOES TO INDICTMENTS AND THE CASE GOES TO TRIAL. TRIAL. HE WILL PROSECUTE OTHER PEOPLE HE WILL PROSECUTE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS I FEEL CERTAIN INVOLVED IN THIS I FEEL CERTAIN BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE OUT THERE, SOME OF IT, AND IT IS OUT THERE, SOME OF IT, AND IT IS VERY STRONG. VERY STRONG.>>PAUL, WITHIN MINUTES OF>>PAUL, WITHIN MINUTES OF LEARNING OF EPSTEIN’S DEATH THE LEARNING OF EPSTEIN’S DEATH THE INTERNET WAS FLOODED WITH INTERNET WAS FLOODED WITH CONSPIRACY THEORIES. CONSPIRACY THEORIES. THE PRESIDENT EVEN RETWEETING A THE PRESIDENT EVEN RETWEETING A CONSPIRACY THEORY TYING THE CONSPIRACY THEORY TYING THE CLINTONS TO THIS. CLINTONS TO THIS. IT IS NOT JUST — THERE ARE IT IS NOT JUST — THERE ARE CONSPIRACY THEORIES ALL OVER THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES ALL OVER THE PLACE. PLACE. HOW MUCH DOES THAT COMPLICATE HOW MUCH DOES THAT COMPLICATE THINGS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY THINGS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY GETTING JUSTICE HERE? GETTING JUSTICE HERE?>>HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW.>>HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW. WE KNOW MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WE KNOW MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WAS ENABLED BY THE FEDERAL WAS ENABLED BY THE FEDERAL PRISONS. PRISONS. HE WAS UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. HE WAS UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. SUICIDE WATCH. HE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOMEONE ELSE HE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOMEONE ELSE IN THE CELL WITH HIM. IN THE CELL WITH HIM. THAT PERSON WAS MYSTERIOUSLY THAT PERSON WAS MYSTERIOUSLY REMOVED ON FRIDAY. REMOVED ON FRIDAY. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKED HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKED EVERY 30 MINUTES AND APPARENTLY EVERY 30 MINUTES AND APPARENTLY WAS NOT CHECKED FOR HOURS. WAS NOT CHECKED FOR HOURS. SOMETHING BIZARRE WAS GOING ON. SOMETHING BIZARRE WAS GOING ON.>>OKAY.>>OKAY. BESIDES THE MOMENTARY OUTRAGE BESIDES THE MOMENTARY OUTRAGE THAT WE’RE EXPERIENCING TODAY, THAT WE’RE EXPERIENCING TODAY, WHAT — WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT — WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT? THAT?>>SO THE COCONSPIRATORS, MR.>>SO THE COCONSPIRATORS, MR. EPSTEIN’S VAST, CRIMINAL EPSTEIN’S VAST, CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY WAS ENABLED BY OTHER CONSPIRACY WAS ENABLED BY OTHER PEOPLE. PEOPLE. SOMEBODY HAD TO RECRUIT THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO RECRUIT THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. SOMEBODY HAD TO TRAIN THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO TRAIN THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. SOMEBODY HAD TO COERCE THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO COERCE THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. REMEMBER, THE BIZARRE TRAVESTY REMEMBER, THE BIZARRE TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE THAT THE FLORIDA PLEA OF JUSTICE THAT THE FLORIDA PLEA DEAL REPRESENTED SAID THAT THOSE DEAL REPRESENTED SAID THAT THOSE COCONSPIRATORS COULD NOT BE COCONSPIRATORS COULD NOT BE PROSECUTED. PROSECUTED. THANKFULLY THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THANKFULLY THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR NEW YORK, MR. BERMAN, DOES NOT NEW YORK, MR. BERMAN, DOES NOT AGREE WITH THAT. AGREE WITH THAT. HE SHOULD GO AFTER THOSE FOUR HE SHOULD GO AFTER THOSE FOUR COCONSPIRATORS VERY QUICKLY. COCONSPIRATORS VERY QUICKLY.>>HOW ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY?>>HOW ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY? DELAIN MAXWELL HAS BEEN WRITTEN DELAIN MAXWELL HAS BEEN WRITTEN UP OVER AND OVER AS THE UP OVER AND OVER AS THE COCONSPIRATOR, RECRUITER, OFTEN COCONSPIRATOR, RECRUITER, OFTEN THE TRAINER OF MANY OF THESE THE TRAINER OF MANY OF THESE YOUNG GIRLS. YOUNG GIRLS. IT IS REPORTED THEY DON’T EVEN IT IS REPORTED THEY DON’T EVEN KNOW WHERE SHE IS. KNOW WHERE SHE IS. THIS IS A WOMAN WHOSE FATHER THIS IS A WOMAN WHOSE FATHER DIED A SWINDLER, CON MAN, OWING DIED A SWINDLER, CON MAN, OWING OVER 43 BANKS $4 BILLION. OVER 43 BANKS $4 BILLION. A, HOW DID THIS WOMAN MAINTAIN A, HOW DID THIS WOMAN MAINTAIN HER SOCIALITE STATUS AND, B, WHY HER SOCIALITE STATUS AND, B, WHY IS IT THAT PEOPLE STILL DON’T IS IT THAT PEOPLE STILL DON’T KNOW WHERE SHE IS? KNOW WHERE SHE IS? I COULDN’T LIVE OFF THE GRID. I COULDN’T LIVE OFF THE GRID. I DON’T THINK YOU COULD EITHER. I DON’T THINK YOU COULD EITHER.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. I CAN’T REALLY ANSWER THAT I CAN’T REALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. QUESTION. I WOULD HOPE THEY ARE KEEPING I WOULD HOPE THEY ARE KEEPING TRACK OF HER AND THEY SHOULD TRACK OF HER AND THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING WHERE SHE IS HAVE BEEN LOOKING WHERE SHE IS EVERY SECOND. EVERY SECOND. SHE DOES HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP I SHE DOES HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP I UNDERSTAND WITH THE UK AND IS UNDERSTAND WITH THE UK AND IS ALSO ASSOCIATED IN RECENT YEARS ALSO ASSOCIATED IN RECENT YEARS WITH A LOT OF OCEANOGRAPHERS. WITH A LOT OF OCEANOGRAPHERS. SHE HAD A NONPROFIT SHE HAD A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. ORGANIZATION. SO THERE’S ALSO BEEN SOME SO THERE’S ALSO BEEN SOME SPECULATION THAT SHE COULD EVEN SPECULATION THAT SHE COULD EVEN BE ON A SUBMARINE SOMEWHERE IN BE ON A SUBMARINE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN. THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN. WHO KNOWS? WHO KNOWS? I MEAN, SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS I MEAN, SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS PRETTY SHARP THAT SHE WAS ABLE PRETTY SHARP THAT SHE WAS ABLE TO EVADE IT THIS LONG. TO EVADE IT THIS LONG.>>IF BILL BARR WANTS THEM TO>>IF BILL BARR WANTS THEM TO THE FBI CAN FIND THIS WOMAN. THE FBI CAN FIND THIS WOMAN. THE QUESTION IS DOES HE? THE QUESTION IS DOES HE?>>BILL BARR HAS SAID HE IS>>BILL BARR HAS SAID HE IS OUTRAGED. OUTRAGED. CAMERON, TAKE ME INSIDE OF THIS CAMERON, TAKE ME INSIDE OF THIS PRISON. PRISON. IS THERE ANY WAY SOMEONE OTHER IS THERE ANY WAY SOMEONE OTHER THAN EPSTEIN COULD HAVE THAN EPSTEIN COULD HAVE ORCHESTRATED HIS DEATH OR HAD A ORCHESTRATED HIS DEATH OR HAD A HAND IN IT? HAND IN IT? BECAUSE FOR THOSE OF US SITTING BECAUSE FOR THOSE OF US SITTING HERE, IT SIMPLY MAKES NO SENSE. HERE, IT SIMPLY MAKES NO SENSE.>>WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME>>WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS IS JUST A TERRIBLE JUST SAY THIS IS JUST A TERRIBLE EVENT THAT’S HAPPENED. EVENT THAT’S HAPPENED. I THINK IT IS A BLACK EYE ON OUR I THINK IT IS A BLACK EYE ON OUR ENTIRE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM ENTIRE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM FOR THE SAKE OF THE VICTIMS AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE VICTIMS AND UPHOLDING OUR SYSTEMS OF UPHOLDING OUR SYSTEMS OF JUSTICE. JUSTICE. THESE KINDS OF THINGS — THESE KINDS OF THINGS –>>WHAT IF A BLACK GUY IS THE>>WHAT IF A BLACK GUY IS THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS AND THOSE LESSER OF TWO EVILS AND THOSE ARE SAYING, YEP. ARE SAYING, YEP. THIS WILL BE HUMILIATING BUT AT THIS WILL BE HUMILIATING BUT AT LEAST WE’LL GET THIS GUY OUT OF LEAST WE’LL GET THIS GUY OUT OF THE PICTURE BECAUSE HE COULD THE PICTURE BECAUSE HE COULD HURT US WAY MORE THAN A BLACK HURT US WAY MORE THAN A BLACK EYE? EYE?>>THIS IS CERTAINLY GOING TO>>THIS IS CERTAINLY GOING TO FUEL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES. FUEL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES. VERY FRANKLY, IT’S GOING TO BE VERY FRANKLY, IT’S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS UNFOLDS. UNFOLDS. BUT I PREDICT WHAT WE’RE GOING BUT I PREDICT WHAT WE’RE GOING TO SEE IN THE END IS THAT TO SEE IN THE END IS THAT EPSTEIN WAS PROBABLY ABLE TO EPSTEIN WAS PROBABLY ABLE TO CHARM OR MANIPULATE A MENTAL CHARM OR MANIPULATE A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL INTO HEALTH PROFESSIONAL INTO BELIEVING THAT HE WAS NO LONGER BELIEVING THAT HE WAS NO LONGER A THREAT TO HIMSELF AND WAS A THREAT TO HIMSELF AND WAS THEREFORE PULLED OFF THE SUICIDE THEREFORE PULLED OFF THE SUICIDE WATCH. WATCH. PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EPSTEIN PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EPSTEIN SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN A CELL WITH SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN A CELL WITH ANOTHER INMATE TO HELP, PERHAPS, ANOTHER INMATE TO HELP, PERHAPS, KEEP HIM FROM KILLING HIMSELF. KEEP HIM FROM KILLING HIMSELF. I SEE THAT VERY DIFFERENTLY. I SEE THAT VERY DIFFERENTLY. FROM A CORRECTIONAL FROM A CORRECTIONAL ADMINISTRATOR PERSPECTIVE WHEN ADMINISTRATOR PERSPECTIVE WHEN YOU TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE YOU TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHO IS A JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHO IS A CONVICTED PEDOPHILE, WHO IS CONVICTED PEDOPHILE, WHO IS EXTREMELY HIGH PROFILE, A EXTREMELY HIGH PROFILE, A BILLIONAIRE CONNECTED TO BILLIONAIRE CONNECTED TO VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY, TO KILL VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY, TO KILL SOMEBODY, FOR AN INMATE TO KILL SOMEBODY, FOR AN INMATE TO KILL SOMEBODY LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN SOMEBODY LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN VERY FRANKLY WOULD BE A BADGE OF VERY FRANKLY WOULD BE A BADGE OF HONOR. HONOR. IN THE SUB CULTURE OF JAILS AND IN THE SUB CULTURE OF JAILS AND PRISONS THIS IS THE KIND OF GUY PRISONS THIS IS THE KIND OF GUY THAT IS GOING TO BE RIPE TO BE THAT IS GOING TO BE RIPE TO BE TAKEN OUT. TAKEN OUT. I BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN I BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SINGLE CELLED THE ENTIRE TIME. SINGLE CELLED THE ENTIRE TIME. ONCE HE HAD HIS SUICIDE ATTEMPT ONCE HE HAD HIS SUICIDE ATTEMPT IF THIS IS PROVEN, THEN FROM MY IF THIS IS PROVEN, THEN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE HE SHOULD HAVE PERSPECTIVE HE SHOULD HAVE REMAINED ON SUICIDE WATCH THE REMAINED ON SUICIDE WATCH THE ENTIRE TIME HE WAS IN THAT ENTIRE TIME HE WAS IN THAT FACILITY. FACILITY. HE WAS A PRETRIAL, PRESENTENCE HE WAS A PRETRIAL, PRESENTENCE FACILITY. FACILITY. HE THEREFORE WOULD NOT BE ON HE THEREFORE WOULD NOT BE ON SUICIDE WATCH INDEFINITELY. SUICIDE WATCH INDEFINITELY. AS SOON AS HIS CASE WERE TO BE AS SOON AS HIS CASE WERE TO BE ADJUDICATED THE BUREAU OF ADJUDICATED THE BUREAU OF PRISONS WOULD HAVE DESIGNATED PRISONS WOULD HAVE DESIGNATED HIM VERY QUICKLY TO THE HIM VERY QUICKLY TO THE INSTITUTION OF SERVICE OF INSTITUTION OF SERVICE OF SENTENCE MUCH LIKE THEY DID WITH SENTENCE MUCH LIKE THEY DID WITH GUZMAN, SHORTY GUZMAN. GUZMAN, SHORTY GUZMAN. AS SOON AS HIS CASE WAS AS SOON AS HIS CASE WAS ADJUDICATED OFF HE WENT TO THE ADJUDICATED OFF HE WENT TO THE ADX. ADX. THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I SEE THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I SEE WHERE THE AGENCY WENT WRONG VERY WHERE THE AGENCY WENT WRONG VERY FRANKLY. FRANKLY.>>JULIE, WHERE DOES YOUR>>JULIE, WHERE DOES YOUR REPORTING GO FROM HERE? REPORTING GO FROM HERE?>>I’M GOING TO KEEP FOLLOWING>>I’M GOING TO KEEP FOLLOWING THE TRAIL OF EVIDENCE THAT WE’VE THE TRAIL OF EVIDENCE THAT WE’VE DUG UP SO FAR WITH THESE DUG UP SO FAR WITH THESE DOCUMENTS THAT CAME OUT THE DOCUMENTS THAT CAME OUT THE OTHER DAY. OTHER DAY. THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, A LOT OF THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, A LOT OF THREADS TO FOLLOW. THREADS TO FOLLOW. THERE ARE NEW NAMES AS WE KNOW THERE ARE NEW NAMES AS WE KNOW OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLEGED TO OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE WAY OR HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER SO WE’LL START LOOKING I ANOTHER SO WE’LL START LOOKING I THINK CLOSER AT ALL OF THOSE THINK CLOSER AT ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS AND ALSO I THINK DOCUMENTS AND ALSO I THINK EVERYBODY IS HOPING THAT PERHAPS EVERYBODY IS HOPING THAT PERHAPS MORE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THIS MORE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THIS WILL COME FORWARD, MEANING — WILL COME FORWARD, MEANING –>>YOU THINK THEY WILL?>>YOU THINK THEY WILL?>>I DON’T KNOW.>>I DON’T KNOW. YOU KNOW, FIRST I THOUGHT THEY YOU KNOW, FIRST I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH HIM WOULD BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH HIM BEING GONE, MOST OF THEM TOLD ME BEING GONE, MOST OF THEM TOLD ME THEY DIDN’T WANT TO SPEAK THEY DIDN’T WANT TO SPEAK BECAUSE EITHER THEY HAD A BECAUSE EITHER THEY HAD A NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT WITH HIM NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT WITH HIM IF THEY WORKED FOR HIM OR THEY IF THEY WORKED FOR HIM OR THEY WERE AFRAID. WERE AFRAID. NOW WITH HIM GONE I THOUGHT, NOW WITH HIM GONE I THOUGHT, WELL MAYBE NOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WELL MAYBE NOW, YOU KNOW, HOW EFFECTIVE IS THE NONDISCLOSURE EFFECTIVE IS THE NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT GOING TO REALLY BE? AGREEMENT GOING TO REALLY BE? NOW WITH ALL THESE CONSPIRACY NOW WITH ALL THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES FLOATING OUT THERE, THEORIES FLOATING OUT THERE, THEY COULD VERY WELL BE AFRAID

William Barr Reportedly Won’t Recuse Himself From Epstein Case | The Last Word | MSNBC


>>>IN A STUNNING REVERSAL>>>IN A STUNNING REVERSAL TODAY, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF TODAY, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES ANNOUNCED THAT THE UNITED STATES ANNOUNCED THAT HE WILL TAKE CONTROL OF THE NEW HE WILL TAKE CONTROL OF THE NEW FEDERAL PROSECUTION OF JEFFREY FEDERAL PROSECUTION OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN, A FRIEND OF DONALD EPSTEIN, A FRIEND OF DONALD TRUMP’S, AN OLD FRIEND OF DONALD TRUMP’S, AN OLD FRIEND OF DONALD TRUMP’S WHO HAS BEEN CHARGED TRUMP’S WHO HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH SEX TRAFFICKING OF YOUNG WITH SEX TRAFFICKING OF YOUNG GIRLS IN FEDERAL COURT IN NEW GIRLS IN FEDERAL COURT IN NEW YORK CITY. YORK CITY. AFTER THE DRAMATIC SURPRISE AFTER THE DRAMATIC SURPRISE ARREST OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN BY THE ARREST OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN BY THE FBI WHEN HIS PRIVATE PLANE FBI WHEN HIS PRIVATE PLANE LANDED IN NEW JERSEY IN FROM LANDED IN NEW JERSEY IN FROM PARIS AND AFTER JEFFREY EPSTEIN PARIS AND AFTER JEFFREY EPSTEIN WAS DRAGGED INTO FEDERAL COURT WAS DRAGGED INTO FEDERAL COURT IN MANHATTAN ON MONDAY, PLEADED IN MANHATTAN ON MONDAY, PLEADED NOT GUILTY AND WAS ORDERED HELD NOT GUILTY AND WAS ORDERED HELD WITHOUT BAIL BY A FEDERAL JUDGE. WITHOUT BAIL BY A FEDERAL JUDGE. AFTER ALL OF THAT, ATTORNEY AFTER ALL OF THAT, ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR WAS ASKED GENERAL WILLIAM BARR WAS ASKED ABOUT THE BIGGEST NEW CRIMINAL ABOUT THE BIGGEST NEW CRIMINAL CASE IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT CASE IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT YESTERDAY, THE JEFFREY EPSTEIN YESTERDAY, THE JEFFREY EPSTEIN CASE, AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL CASE, AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL VERY CLEARLY SAID THIS. VERY CLEARLY SAID THIS.>>I’M RECUSE FROM THAT MATTER.>>I’M RECUSE FROM THAT MATTER. BECAUSE ONE OF THE LAW — ONE OF BECAUSE ONE OF THE LAW — ONE OF THE LAW FIRMS THAT REPRESENTED THE LAW FIRMS THAT REPRESENTED EPSTEIN LONG AGO WAS A FIRM THAT EPSTEIN LONG AGO WAS A FIRM THAT I SUBSEQUENTLY JOINED FOR A I SUBSEQUENTLY JOINED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. PERIOD OF TIME.>>THAT WAS YESTERDAY.>>THAT WAS YESTERDAY. TODAY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID TODAY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID NOTHING ABOUT THE JEFFREY NOTHING ABOUT THE JEFFREY EPSTEIN CASE, BUT THE ATTORNEY EPSTEIN CASE, BUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DID ORDER AN UNNAMED GENERAL DID ORDER AN UNNAMED JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL TO JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL TO LEAK TO SELECTED NEWS MEDIA THAT LEAK TO SELECTED NEWS MEDIA THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WILL NOT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WILL NOT RECUSE HIMSELF FROM THE NEW RECUSE HIMSELF FROM THE NEW JEFFREY EPSTEIN CASE. JEFFREY EPSTEIN CASE. BLOOMBERG REPORTED THE NEWS THIS BLOOMBERG REPORTED THE NEWS THIS WAY. WAY. ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR WON’T RECUSE HIMSELF FROM WON’T RECUSE HIMSELF FROM INVOLVEMENT IN THE NEW CHARGES INVOLVEMENT IN THE NEW CHARGES FILED AGAINST ALLEGED SEX FILED AGAINST ALLEGED SEX TRAFFICKER JEFFREY EPSTEIN BY TRAFFICKER JEFFREY EPSTEIN BY FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK, FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK, ACCORDING TO A JUSTICE ACCORDING TO A JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL. DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL. BARR MADE THE DECISION ON BARR MADE THE DECISION ON TUESDAY AFTER CONSULTING WITH TUESDAY AFTER CONSULTING WITH CAREER ETHICS OFFICIALS AT THE CAREER ETHICS OFFICIALS AT THE DEPARTMENT, SAID THE OFFICIAL DEPARTMENT, SAID THE OFFICIAL WHO ASKED NOT TO BE IDENTIFIED WHO ASKED NOT TO BE IDENTIFIED DISCUSSING A SENSITIVE MATTER. DISCUSSING A SENSITIVE MATTER. BUT BARR HAS RECUSED HIMSELF BUT BARR HAS RECUSED HIMSELF FROM ANY RETROSPECTIVE REVIEW OF FROM ANY RETROSPECTIVE REVIEW OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT’S THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT’S DECISION MORE THAN A DECADE AGO, DECISION MORE THAN A DECADE AGO, LETTING EPSTEIN AVOID LETTING EPSTEIN AVOID PROSECUTION ON FEDERAL SEX PROSECUTION ON FEDERAL SEX TRAFFICKING OFFENSES IN FLORIDA. TRAFFICKING OFFENSES IN FLORIDA. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR WILLIAM IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR WILLIAM BARR TO RECUSE HIMSELF FROM A BARR TO RECUSE HIMSELF FROM A REVIEW OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE REVIEW OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE SEX TRAFFICKING CASE AGAINST SEX TRAFFICKING CASE AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN IN FLORIDA JEFFREY EPSTEIN IN FLORIDA BECAUSE THAT IS A CENTRAL PART BECAUSE THAT IS A CENTRAL PART OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S DEFENSE IN OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S DEFENSE IN THE NEW CASE. THE NEW CASE. ONE OF EPSTEIN’S LAWYERS TOLD ONE OF EPSTEIN’S LAWYERS TOLD THE JUDGE AT HIS ARRAIGNMENT THE JUDGE AT HIS ARRAIGNMENT YESTERDAY THAT THE DEAL JEFFREY YESTERDAY THAT THE DEAL JEFFREY EPSTEIN MADE WITH FEDERAL EPSTEIN MADE WITH FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN FLORIDA MEANS PROSECUTORS IN FLORIDA MEANS THAT JEFFREY EPSTEIN CANNOT NOW THAT JEFFREY EPSTEIN CANNOT NOW BE CHARGED BY FEDERAL BE CHARGED BY FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK. PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK. THE ATTORNEY TOLD THE JUDGE IN THE ATTORNEY TOLD THE JUDGE IN MANHATTAN THAT THE FLORIDA DEAL MANHATTAN THAT THE FLORIDA DEAL WILL BE A CENTRAL PART OF WILL BE A CENTRAL PART OF EPSTEIN’S DEFENSE. EPSTEIN’S DEFENSE. HE SAID THAT THE FLORIDA DEAL HE SAID THAT THE FLORIDA DEAL WAS A “GLOBAL RESOLUTION” OF THE WAS A “GLOBAL RESOLUTION” OF THE FEDERAL CHARGES AGAINST JEFFREY FEDERAL CHARGES AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN. SO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS NOT SO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. TELLING THE TRUTH. WHAT IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WHAT IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AFRAID OF? AFRAID OF? WHY DIDN’T THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WHY DIDN’T THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HIMSELF ANNOUNCE HIS NEW HIMSELF ANNOUNCE HIS NEW POSITION ON RECUSAL TODAY SINCE POSITION ON RECUSAL TODAY SINCE HE PUBLICLY SAID YESTERDAY THAT HE PUBLICLY SAID YESTERDAY THAT HE WAS RECUSED FROM THE CASE? HE WAS RECUSED FROM THE CASE? WHY IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WHY IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AFRAID OF EXPLAINING THIS AFRAID OF EXPLAINING THIS PUBLICLY HIMSELF? PUBLICLY HIMSELF? WHY IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WHY IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL INSISTING THAT THE JUSTICE INSISTING THAT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL WHO LEAKED DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL WHO LEAKED THE INFORMATION NOT EVEN BE THE INFORMATION NOT EVEN BE NAMED IN THE NEWS REPORTS? NAMED IN THE NEWS REPORTS? WHY DID THIS NEW POSITION ON WHY DID THIS NEW POSITION ON RECUSAL HAVE TO BE LEAKED AND RECUSAL HAVE TO BE LEAKED AND NOT DELIVERED TO ALL OF THE NEWS NOT DELIVERED TO ALL OF THE NEWS MEDIA IN A WRITTEN PRESS MEDIA IN A WRITTEN PRESS RELEASE? RELEASE? WHAT IS WILLIAM BARR UP TO? WHAT IS WILLIAM BARR UP TO? WHAT IS HE IS AFRAID OF? WHAT IS HE IS AFRAID OF? THAT IS THE QUESTION TONIGHT IN THAT IS THE QUESTION TONIGHT IN THE JEFFREY EPSTEIN CASE. THE JEFFREY EPSTEIN CASE. AND AS WE REPORTED AT THIS HOUR AND AS WE REPORTED AT THIS HOUR LAST NIGHT, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL LAST NIGHT, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS AN EVEN STRONGER REASON TO HAS AN EVEN STRONGER REASON TO RECUSE HIMSELF THAN THE ONE HE RECUSE HIMSELF THAN THE ONE HE MENTIONED YESTERDAY. MENTIONED YESTERDAY. ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR’S FATHER ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR’S FATHER HIRED JEFFREY EPSTEIN TO BE A HIRED JEFFREY EPSTEIN TO BE A MATH TEACHER AT THE DALTON MATH TEACHER AT THE DALTON SCHOOL ON THE UPPER EAST SIDE OF SCHOOL ON THE UPPER EAST SIDE OF MANHATTAN WHEN THE ATTORNEY MANHATTAN WHEN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S FATHER WAS THE GENERAL’S FATHER WAS THE HEADMASTER OF THAT ELITE AND HEADMASTER OF THAT ELITE AND VERY EXPENSIVE PRIVATE SCHOOL. VERY EXPENSIVE PRIVATE SCHOOL. WILLIAM BARR’S FATHER HIRED WILLIAM BARR’S FATHER HIRED JEFFREY EPSTEIN TO TEACH HIGH JEFFREY EPSTEIN TO TEACH HIGH SCHOOL BOYS AND HIGH SCHOOL SCHOOL BOYS AND HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS EVEN THOUGH JEFFREY GIRLS EVEN THOUGH JEFFREY EPSTEIN IS NOT EVEN A COLLEGE EPSTEIN IS NOT EVEN A COLLEGE GRADUATE. GRADUATE. THAT IS NOW AND WAS THEN THAT IS NOW AND WAS THEN UNTHINKABLE IN A SCHOOL LIKE UNTHINKABLE IN A SCHOOL LIKE DALTON. DALTON. A YEAR LATER, WILLIAM BARR’S A YEAR LATER, WILLIAM BARR’S FATHER ABRUPTLY RESIGNED FROM FATHER ABRUPTLY RESIGNED FROM THE DALTON SCHOOL AFTER THE THE DALTON SCHOOL AFTER THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES DECIDED TO BOARD OF TRUSTEES DECIDED TO INVESTIGATE THE WAY WILLIAM INVESTIGATE THE WAY WILLIAM BARR’S FATHER WAS RUNNING THAT BARR’S FATHER WAS RUNNING THAT SCHOOL. SCHOOL. AND NOT LONG AFTER THAT, JEFFREY AND NOT LONG AFTER THAT, JEFFREY EPSTEIN LEFT THE SCHOOL AND EPSTEIN LEFT THE SCHOOL AND STARTED HIS NEW LIFE ON WALL STARTED HIS NEW LIFE ON WALL STREET. STREET. SHOULD THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF SHOULD THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES BE SUPERVISING THE UNITED STATES BE SUPERVISING A PROSECUTION OF A CRIMINAL A PROSECUTION OF A CRIMINAL DEFENDANT WHO WAS HIRED BY AND DEFENDANT WHO WAS HIRED BY AND WORKED FOR THE ATTORNEY WORKED FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S FATHER? GENERAL’S FATHER? THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FIRST THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FIRST RECUSED HIMSELF YESTERDAY THEN RECUSED HIMSELF YESTERDAY THEN UNRECUSED HIMSELF TODAY AND IS UNRECUSED HIMSELF TODAY AND IS NOT TELLING THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOT TELLING THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS MULTIPLE RECUSAL DECISIONS. MULTIPLE RECUSAL DECISIONS. AS WE SO OFTEN SAY IN THE WORLD AS WE SO OFTEN SAY IN THE WORLD OF DONALD TRUMP, WE HAVE NEVER OF DONALD TRUMP, WE HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS. SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS. NO ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE NO ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES HAS EVER MADE A UNITED STATES HAS EVER MADE A SERIES OF RECUSAL DECISIONS LIKE SERIES OF RECUSAL DECISIONS LIKE THIS. THIS. JOINING OUR DISCUSSION NOW, MIMI JOINING OUR DISCUSSION NOW, MIMI ROCAH, FORMER U.S. ASSISTANT ROCAH, FORMER U.S. ASSISTANT ATTORNEY IN THE SOUTHERN ATTORNEY IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AND ZERLINA DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AND ZERLINA MAXWELL. MAXWELL. MIMI, I WAS HOPING WE COULD HAVE MIMI, I WAS HOPING WE COULD HAVE YOU HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE YOU’RE YOU HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE YOU’RE A VETERAN OF THE SOUTHERN A VETERAN OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, THE DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, THE DISTRICT THAT BROUGHT THIS DISTRICT THAT BROUGHT THIS PROSECUTION AGAINST JEFFREY PROSECUTION AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN, WHERE SUDDENLY THE EPSTEIN, WHERE SUDDENLY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS FLIPPED IN ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS FLIPPED IN A DAY AND DECIDED HE DOES WANT A DAY AND DECIDED HE DOES WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN IT. TO BE INVOLVED IN IT. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF YESTERDAY’S WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF YESTERDAY’S STATEMENT BY THE ATTORNEY STATEMENT BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ON RECUSAL AND TODAY’S GENERAL ON RECUSAL AND TODAY’S LEAK THAT HE’S NOT RECUSED FROM LEAK THAT HE’S NOT RECUSED FROM THE NEW EPSTEIN CASE? THE NEW EPSTEIN CASE?>>I’M VERY VARY.>>I’M VERY VARY. AND YOU ASKED ALL THE RIGHT AND YOU ASKED ALL THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND ARE HIGHLIGHTING QUESTIONS AND ARE HIGHLIGHTING ALL OF THE THINGS ABOUT THIS ALL OF THE THINGS ABOUT THIS THAT JUST SEND UP, YOU KNOW, RED THAT JUST SEND UP, YOU KNOW, RED FLAGS. FLAGS. FIRST OF ALL, WHY — IF BILL FIRST OF ALL, WHY — IF BILL BARR SAYS I’M GOING TO RECUSE BARR SAYS I’M GOING TO RECUSE BECAUSE OF MY CONNECTION TO BECAUSE OF MY CONNECTION TO KIRKLAND & ELLIS, WHICH WAS THE KIRKLAND & ELLIS, WHICH WAS THE LAW FIRM AT WHICH ONE OF LAW FIRM AT WHICH ONE OF EPSTEIN’S MAIN ATTORNEYS BACK EPSTEIN’S MAIN ATTORNEYS BACK NEGOTIATING THAT SWEETHEART SLAP NEGOTIATING THAT SWEETHEART SLAP ON THE WRIST PLEA DEAL THAT ON THE WRIST PLEA DEAL THAT EPSTEIN GOT FROM ACOSTA BACK IN EPSTEIN GOT FROM ACOSTA BACK IN FLORIDA. FLORIDA. SO IT’S NOT JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, SO IT’S NOT JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, BARR WAS AFFILIATED WITH A LAW BARR WAS AFFILIATED WITH A LAW FIRM. FIRM. IT’S A LAW FIRM THAT WAS REALLY IT’S A LAW FIRM THAT WAS REALLY AT THE CENTER OF THIS AT THE CENTER OF THIS CONTROVERSY. CONTROVERSY.>>BUT BARR SAYS HE WASN’T AT>>BUT BARR SAYS HE WASN’T AT THE LAW FIRM AT THE TIME OF THIS THE LAW FIRM AT THE TIME OF THIS CASE. CASE.>>OKAY.>>OKAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU JOIN A LAW BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU JOIN A LAW FIRM, I WEDNESDAY WAS HE THERE? FIRM, I WEDNESDAY WAS HE THERE? IS HE FRIENDS WITH HIM? IS HE FRIENDS WITH HIM? IT’S NOT ANY LAW FIRM, BUT IN IT’S NOT ANY LAW FIRM, BUT IN THIS CASE THE RELATIONSHIP, THE THIS CASE THE RELATIONSHIP, THE ROLE OF JAY IN THAT LAW FIRM AND ROLE OF JAY IN THAT LAW FIRM AND ACOSTA WITH THAT PLEA, THERE IS ACOSTA WITH THAT PLEA, THERE IS A MEETING BETWEEN ACOSTA AND JAY A MEETING BETWEEN ACOSTA AND JAY OFFSITE DURING THESE PLEA OFFSITE DURING THESE PLEA NEGOTIATIONS THAT IS HIGHLY NEGOTIATIONS THAT IS HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE IN WHICH HE INAPPROPRIATE IN WHICH HE BASICALLY GETS AN AGREEMENT FROM BASICALLY GETS AN AGREEMENT FROM ACOSTA NOT TO TELL THE VICTIMS ACOSTA NOT TO TELL THE VICTIMS ABOUT THE PLEA AND HE FOLLOWS UP ABOUT THE PLEA AND HE FOLLOWS UP WITH AN EMAIL. WITH AN EMAIL. THAT’S HOW WE KNOW ABOUT IT. THAT’S HOW WE KNOW ABOUT IT. HE SAYS THANK YOU FOR YOUR HE SAYS THANK YOU FOR YOUR AGREEMENT, MR. ACOSTA, U.S. AGREEMENT, MR. ACOSTA, U.S. ATTORNEY, TO NOT TELL THE ATTORNEY, TO NOT TELL THE VICTIMS ABOUT THIS PLEA DEAL. VICTIMS ABOUT THIS PLEA DEAL. SO BARR’S CONNECTION TO THAT LAW SO BARR’S CONNECTION TO THAT LAW FIRM IS PROBLEMATIC. FIRM IS PROBLEMATIC. I’M NOT SURE IT WAS MANDATORY I’M NOT SURE IT WAS MANDATORY RECUSAL, BUT HE SAID HE WAS RECUSAL, BUT HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO RECUSE BECAUSE OF THAT. GOING TO RECUSE BECAUSE OF THAT. TO NOW DRAW THIS ARTIFICIAL LINE TO NOW DRAW THIS ARTIFICIAL LINE AND SAY, WELL, I’M RECUSED FROM AND SAY, WELL, I’M RECUSED FROM THAT FLORIDA PART AS YOU POINT THAT FLORIDA PART AS YOU POINT OUT, BUT NOT GOING FORWARD IS A OUT, BUT NOT GOING FORWARD IS A COMPLETELY ARTIFICIAL LINE THAT COMPLETELY ARTIFICIAL LINE THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN IS DRAWN THE DAY ALL OF A SUDDEN IS DRAWN THE DAY AFTER THIS, YOU KNOW, BOMBSHELL AFTER THIS, YOU KNOW, BOMBSHELL CASE COMES OUT FROM THE SOUTHERN CASE COMES OUT FROM THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK THAT I’M DISTRICT OF NEW YORK THAT I’M SURE IS MAKING DONALD TRUMP, SURE IS MAKING DONALD TRUMP, AMONGST OTHERS, VERY NERVOUS. AMONGST OTHERS, VERY NERVOUS. AND HIS BUDDY EPSTEIN FOR SURE AND HIS BUDDY EPSTEIN FOR SURE BECAUSE IT’S A STRONG CASE. BECAUSE IT’S A STRONG CASE. AND SO IT JUST LOOKS SO BAD. AND SO IT JUST LOOKS SO BAD. AND THIS — THE BOTTOM LINE IS AND THIS — THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHEN YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY WHEN YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT YOU CAN’T TRUST IS GENERAL THAT YOU CAN’T TRUST IS DEFENDING JUSTICE AND LOOKING DEFENDING JUSTICE AND LOOKING OUT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF OUT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, THAT’S WHERE THIS JUSTICE, THAT’S WHERE THIS PROBLEM REALLY COMES TO LIGHT. PROBLEM REALLY COMES TO LIGHT. WE CANNOT HAVE FAITH IN BILL WE CANNOT HAVE FAITH IN BILL BARR, AND THAT’S WHERE HIS WHOLE BARR, AND THAT’S WHERE HIS WHOLE HISTORY SO FAR IS NOW JUST, YOU HISTORY SO FAR IS NOW JUST, YOU KNOW, COMING TO THE FORE. KNOW, COMING TO THE FORE.>>SO, ZERLINA, BILL BARR’S>>SO, ZERLINA, BILL BARR’S FATHER — FATHER –>>YES.>>YES.>>– HIS FATHER HIRED JEFFREY>>– HIS FATHER HIRED JEFFREY EPSTEIN, WHO HE KNEW WAS NOT A EPSTEIN, WHO HE KNEW WAS NOT A COLLEGE GRADUATE. COLLEGE GRADUATE. JEFFREY EPSTEIN TOOK A COUPLE OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN TOOK A COUPLE OF COLLEGE COURSES IN PHYSICS. COLLEGE COURSES IN PHYSICS. AND HE HIRED HIM AT ONE OF THE AND HE HIRED HIM AT ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE PRIVATE SCHOOLS MOST EXPENSIVE PRIVATE SCHOOLS IN MANHATTAN TO TEACH MATH, IN MANHATTAN TO TEACH MATH, KNOWING HE WASN’T A COLLEGE KNOWING HE WASN’T A COLLEGE GRADUATE. GRADUATE. BILL BARR KNOWS, HE KNOWS BILL BARR KNOWS, HE KNOWS TONIGHT THAT HIS FATHER HIRED TONIGHT THAT HIS FATHER HIRED JEFFREY EPSTEIN. JEFFREY EPSTEIN. HE MAY HAVE KNOWN IT AT THE TIME HE MAY HAVE KNOWN IT AT THE TIME THAT HIS FATHER HIRED JEFFREY THAT HIS FATHER HIRED JEFFREY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>HE MAY HAVE KNOWN JEFFREY>>HE MAY HAVE KNOWN JEFFREY EPSTEIN AT THAT TIME. EPSTEIN AT THAT TIME. WE DON’T KNOW. WE DON’T KNOW.>>WE DON’T KNOW.>>WE DON’T KNOW.>>BUT HE DOES — HE’S NOT>>BUT HE DOES — HE’S NOT RECUSING HIMSELF BECAUSE OF RECUSING HIMSELF BECAUSE OF THAT. THAT.>>WELL, THE THING THAT’S SO>>WELL, THE THING THAT’S SO WEIRD TO ME IS NOT IN ISOLATION WEIRD TO ME IS NOT IN ISOLATION THAT HE HIRED HIM WITHOUT, YOU THAT HE HIRED HIM WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, THE REQUISITE EXPERIENCE, KNOW, THE REQUISITE EXPERIENCE, IT’S THAT, YOU KNOW, SEXUAL IT’S THAT, YOU KNOW, SEXUAL PREDATION OF THIS TYPE, IT’S NOT PREDATION OF THIS TYPE, IT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT STARTS WHEN SOMETHING THAT STARTS WHEN YOU’RE 35 OR 45, RIGHT? YOU’RE 35 OR 45, RIGHT? IF, YOU KNOW, THAT’S CONSISTENT IF, YOU KNOW, THAT’S CONSISTENT AND HOLDS HERE AND OBVIOUSLY THE AND HOLDS HERE AND OBVIOUSLY THE PROSECUTION YESTERDAY MADE AN PROSECUTION YESTERDAY MADE AN ELOQUENT PRESENTATION SORT OF ELOQUENT PRESENTATION SORT OF EXPLAINING SOME OF THIS. EXPLAINING SOME OF THIS. HE PROBABLY HAD SOME OF THESE HE PROBABLY HAD SOME OF THESE BARE BARE BEHAVIORS THAT FOLKS WERE AWARE BEHAVIORS THAT FOLKS WERE AWARE OF AT THE TIME. OF AT THE TIME. THE FACT YOU’RE HIRING SOMEONE THE FACT YOU’RE HIRING SOMEONE WHO HAS NO EXPERIENCE AND THIS WHO HAS NO EXPERIENCE AND THIS PREDATION TOWARDS TEENAGE GIRLS PREDATION TOWARDS TEENAGE GIRLS AND IS TRAFFICKING GIRLS, AND IS TRAFFICKING GIRLS, ACCORDING TO THE PAPERWORK FILED ACCORDING TO THE PAPERWORK FILED YESTERDAY. YESTERDAY. THAT’S WHAT BOTHERS ME. THAT’S WHAT BOTHERS ME. IT’S NOT HIRING AN INEXPERIENCED IT’S NOT HIRING AN INEXPERIENCED PERSON. PERSON. MAYBE HE HAD GREAT MAYBE HE HAD GREAT RELATIONSHIPS. RELATIONSHIPS. PEOPLE GET JOBS ALL THE TIME. PEOPLE GET JOBS ALL THE TIME. IT’S THE FACT THAT HE’S A IT’S THE FACT THAT HE’S A PREDATOR AND YOU’RE PLACING HIM PREDATOR AND YOU’RE PLACING HIM WITH POTENTIAL VICTIMS AND WITH POTENTIAL VICTIMS AND NOBODY’S STEPPING IN TO SAY, NOBODY’S STEPPING IN TO SAY, WAIT, HOLD UP, THIS PERSON, WE WAIT, HOLD UP, THIS PERSON, WE NEED TO GO MORE RESEARCH ON THIS NEED TO GO MORE RESEARCH ON THIS PERSON AND DO A BACKGROUND PERSON AND DO A BACKGROUND CHECK. CHECK. THEN YOU SEE THIS PERSON FOR THEN YOU SEE THIS PERSON FOR DECADES. DECADES. I THINK THAT WE’VE LEARNED A LOT I THINK THAT WE’VE LEARNED A LOT IN THE ME TOO ERA ABOUT IN THE ME TOO ERA ABOUT ENABLERS. ENABLERS. WE’VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THE WE’VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT PREDATORY IN ISOLATION, THAT PREDATORY IN ISOLATION, THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE AROUND THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE AROUND THAT INDIVIDUAL THAT ARE ALLOWING IT INDIVIDUAL THAT ARE ALLOWING IT TO CONTINUE, WHETHER IT BE TO CONTINUE, WHETHER IT BE ASSISTANTS TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN ASSISTANTS TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHO ARE — OR YOUNG WOMEN WHO WHO ARE — OR YOUNG WOMEN WHO ARE GOING OUT TO RECRUIT ARE GOING OUT TO RECRUIT ADDITIONAL VICTIMS. ADDITIONAL VICTIMS. THERE IS A CIRCLE OF PEOPLE THAT THERE IS A CIRCLE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE — THAT ALL NEED TO BE HELD ARE — THAT ALL NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND NOT JUST JEFFREY ACCOUNTABLE AND NOT JUST JEFFREY EPSTEIN, AND I THINK BILL BARR’S EPSTEIN, AND I THINK BILL BARR’S FATHER IS IN THAT GROUP AND I FATHER IS IN THAT GROUP AND I THINK DONALD TRUMP AND HIS THINK DONALD TRUMP AND HIS ASSOCIATES ARE IN THAT GROUP. ASSOCIATES ARE IN THAT GROUP. SO I’M SURE DONALD TRUMP MAY BE SO I’M SURE DONALD TRUMP MAY BE NERVOUS TODAY, BUT I’M SHEER THE NERVOUS TODAY, BUT I’M SHEER THE PEOPLE WHO HANG OUT WITH DONALD PEOPLE WHO HANG OUT WITH DONALD TRUMP ARE ALSO NERVOUS TODAY. TRUMP ARE ALSO NERVOUS TODAY.>>MIMI, WE’RE GOING TO SQUEEZE>>MIMI, WE’RE GOING TO SQUEEZE IN THE A BREAK HERE QUICKLY, BUT IN THE A BREAK HERE QUICKLY, BUT ON BARR AND HIS FATHER. ON BARR AND HIS FATHER. YOU’RE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF YOU’RE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES. THE UNITED STATES. LET’S IMAGINE A SITUATION IN LET’S IMAGINE A SITUATION IN WHICH A DEFENDANT LIKE THIS WHICH A DEFENDANT LIKE THIS EVENTUALLY DECIDES HE’S GOING TO EVENTUALLY DECIDES HE’S GOING TO TELL EVERYTHING. TELL EVERYTHING. FOR WHATEVER REASON, MAY OR MAY FOR WHATEVER REASON, MAY OR MAY NOT DEVELOP, HE’S GOING TO TELL NOT DEVELOP, HE’S GOING TO TELL EVERYTHING, AND THAT STORY EVERYTHING, AND THAT STORY BEGINS WHEN HE’S A HIGH BEGINS WHEN HE’S A HIGH SCHOOLTEACHER ATSCHOOL SCHOOLTEACHER ATSCHOOL TEACHER AT THE HIGH SCHOOL WHERE TEACHER AT THE HIGH SCHOOL WHERE YOUR FATHER HIRED HIM AND YOU’RE YOUR FATHER HIRED HIM AND YOU’RE THE UNRECUSED ATTORNEY GENERAL THE UNRECUSED ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT IS SUPERVISING THE THAT IS SUPERVISING THE INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION.>>THAT WOULD BE AN UNWAVABLE,>>THAT WOULD BE AN UNWAVABLE, INSURMOUNTABLE CONFLICT. INSURMOUNTABLE CONFLICT.>>BUT RECUSAL IS ABOUT GETTING>>BUT RECUSAL IS ABOUT GETTING OUT BEFORE THE CONFLICT ARISES, OUT BEFORE THE CONFLICT ARISES, RIGHT? RIGHT?>>NO, ABSOLUTELY.>>NO, ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT IS WHY, I MEAN, WHETHER AND THAT IS WHY, I MEAN, WHETHER HE NEEDS TO OR NOT BECAUSE OF HE NEEDS TO OR NOT BECAUSE OF THE LAW FIRM, BECAUSE OF WHAT THE LAW FIRM, BECAUSE OF WHAT HIS FATHER DID, HE SHOULD GET HIS FATHER DID, HE SHOULD GET OUT. OUT. HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO GET OUT HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO GET OUT AND IT IS VERY SUSPICIOUS TO ME AND IT IS VERY SUSPICIOUS TO ME THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THE DAY THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THE DAY AFTER THIS BOMBSHELL CASE, OH, AFTER THIS BOMBSHELL CASE, OH, NO, I’M NOT OUT FROM THIS. NO, I’M NOT OUT FROM THIS. AND IT JUST LOOKS BAD AND PART AND IT JUST LOOKS BAD AND PART OF RECUSAL IS ABOUT GIVING OF RECUSAL IS ABOUT GIVING PEOPLE FAITH IN THIS JUSTICE PEOPLE FAITH IN THIS JUSTICE SYSTEM. SYSTEM.>>ONE MORE QUICK THING.>>ONE MORE QUICK THING. IT’S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT IT’S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT WILLIAM BARR DISCOVERED THIS WILLIAM BARR DISCOVERED THIS PROSECUTION THE SAME TIME THE PROSECUTION THE SAME TIME THE REST OF US DID. REST OF US DID. IT’S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT THE

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THAT’S ALL IN FOR THIS EVENING. RACHEL MADDOW STARTS WITH JOY RACHEL MADDOW STARTS WITH JOY REED FOR RACHEL. REED FOR RACHEL.>>GOOD EVENING.>>GOOD EVENING. HAVE A GREAT REST OF THE NIGHT. HAVE A GREAT REST OF THE NIGHT. THANKS TO YOU ALL. THANKS TO YOU ALL. RACHEL HAS THE NIGHT OFF, BUT RACHEL HAS THE NIGHT OFF, BUT WILL BE BACK TOMORROW. WILL BE BACK TOMORROW. I WANT TO START WITH THE STORY I WANT TO START WITH THE STORY OF COURTNEY WILD. OF COURTNEY WILD. SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME SHE WAS LIVING IN FLORIDA. SHE WAS LIVING IN FLORIDA. SHE WAS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL AND SHE WAS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL AND CAPTAIN OF THE CHEERLEADING CAPTAIN OF THE CHEERLEADING SQUAD AND PLAYED THE TRUMPET. SQUAD AND PLAYED THE TRUMPET. HE HAD GOOD GRADES AND BRACES HE HAD GOOD GRADES AND BRACES AND WHEN SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD, AND WHEN SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD, SHE WAS INTRODUCED TO A MAN SHE WAS INTRODUCED TO A MAN NAMED JEFFREY EPSTEIN. NAMED JEFFREY EPSTEIN. HE IS AN INCREDIBLY WEALTHY HE IS AN INCREDIBLY WEALTHY MULTIMILLIONAIRE WHO SURROUNDED MULTIMILLIONAIRE WHO SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH POWERFUL HIGH HIMSELF WITH POWERFUL HIGH PROFILE PEOPLE. PROFILE PEOPLE. HIS PRIVATE AIRLINE HAS HOSTED HIS PRIVATE AIRLINE HAS HOSTED HIGH PROFILE GUESTS LIKE BILL HIGH PROFILE GUESTS LIKE BILL CLINTON, PRINCE ANDREW AND CLINTON, PRINCE ANDREW AND VARIOUS CELEBRITIES AND DONALD VARIOUS CELEBRITIES AND DONALD TRUMP DESCRIBED HIM AS A FRIEND. TRUMP DESCRIBED HIM AS A FRIEND. IN 2005, FLORIDA POLICE STARTED IN 2005, FLORIDA POLICE STARTED INVESTIGATEING AND WHAT THEY INVESTIGATEING AND WHAT THEY TURNED UP WAS HORRIFYING. TURNED UP WAS HORRIFYING. HE WAS RUNNING AN OPERATION TO HE WAS RUNNING AN OPERATION TO MOLEST AND RAPE LARGE NUMBERS OF MOLEST AND RAPE LARGE NUMBERS OF GIRLS. GIRLS. HE WAS IN HIS 50s AND MANY HE WAS IN HIS 50s AND MANY VICTIMS WERE CHILDREN. VICTIMS WERE CHILDREN. THE FBI GOT INVOLVE AND WAS ABLE THE FBI GOT INVOLVE AND WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY DOZENS OF GIRLS WHO TO IDENTIFY DOZENS OF GIRLS WHO HAD BEEN HIS VICTIMS. HAD BEEN HIS VICTIMS. MOST WERE BETWEEN 13 AND 16 MOST WERE BETWEEN 13 AND 16 YEARS OLD. YEARS OLD. SOME PEOPLE THINK THERE COULD BE SOME PEOPLE THINK THERE COULD BE HUNDREDS OF OTHER VICTIMS OUT HUNDREDS OF OTHER VICTIMS OUT THERE. THERE. ONE OF THE ALLEGED VICTIMS WAS ONE OF THE ALLEGED VICTIMS WAS COURTNEY WILD WHO WAS 14. COURTNEY WILD WHO WAS 14. HE SAID HE SEXUALLY ABUSED HER HE SAID HE SEXUALLY ABUSED HER FOR YEARS. FOR YEARS. IT WAS SPELLED OUT IN THE “MIAMI IT WAS SPELLED OUT IN THE “MIAMI HERALD’S” HEROIC REPORTING TO HERALD’S” HEROIC REPORTING TO PREPARE CRIMINAL CHARGES FOR PREPARE CRIMINAL CHARGES FOR BEING A SERIAL CHILD SEX BEING A SERIAL CHILD SEX OFFENDER. OFFENDER. THE INDICTMENT THE FBI WROTE UP THE INDICTMENT THE FBI WROTE UP LISTING ALL OF THE HEINOUS LISTING ALL OF THE HEINOUS CRIMES WAS 53 PAGES LONG. CRIMES WAS 53 PAGES LONG. 53 PAGES OF STORIES LIKE 53 PAGES OF STORIES LIKE COURTNEY WILD’S. COURTNEY WILD’S. THEY ACCUSED EPSTEIN OF THEY ACCUSED EPSTEIN OF RECRUITING UNDERAGE GIRLS FOR RECRUITING UNDERAGE GIRLS FOR SEX ACROSS STATE LINES. SEX ACROSS STATE LINES. THOSE ARE FEDERAL CHARGES THAT THOSE ARE FEDERAL CHARGES THAT COULD HAVE SENT HIM TO PRISON COULD HAVE SENT HIM TO PRISON FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. INSTEAD A FEDERAL PROSECUTOR INSTEAD A FEDERAL PROSECUTOR NAMED ALEX ACOSTA PREVENTED NAMED ALEX ACOSTA PREVENTED JEFFREY EPSTEIN FROM BEING JEFFREY EPSTEIN FROM BEING CHARGED WITH ANY FEDERAL CRIMES CHARGED WITH ANY FEDERAL CRIMES AND FEDERAL CHARGES AGAINST AND FEDERAL CHARGES AGAINST ACCOMPLICES, TOO. ACCOMPLICES, TOO. THAT MAN IS IN THE PRESIDENT’S THAT MAN IS IN THE PRESIDENT’S CABINET. CABINET. HE IS DONALD TRUMP’S LABOR HE IS DONALD TRUMP’S LABOR SECRETARY. SECRETARY. BACK WHEN THAT FBI INVESTIGATION BACK WHEN THAT FBI INVESTIGATION WAS GOING ON, HE WAS THE U.S. WAS GOING ON, HE WAS THE U.S. ATTORNEY IN SOUTHERN FLORIDA. ATTORNEY IN SOUTHERN FLORIDA. INSTEAD OF CHANGING JEFFREY INSTEAD OF CHANGING JEFFREY EPSTEIN WITH THE 53 PAGES OF SEX EPSTEIN WITH THE 53 PAGES OF SEX CRIMES, ALEX ACCOSTOSTA MADE A D CRIMES, ALEX ACCOSTOSTA MADE A D IN A NON-PROSECUTION AGREEMENT IN A NON-PROSECUTION AGREEMENT WHICH GAVE HIM IMMUNITY FROM ALL WHICH GAVE HIM IMMUNITY FROM ALL FEDERAL CHARGES AND HE PLEAD FEDERAL CHARGES AND HE PLEAD GUILTY TO TWO STATE CHARGES FOR GUILTY TO TWO STATE CHARGES FOR PROSTITUTION AS IF THE GIRLS PROSTITUTION AS IF THE GIRLS LIKE COURTNEY WILD WERE LIKE COURTNEY WILD WERE PROSTITUTES AND NOT CHILDREN PROSTITUTES AND NOT CHILDREN BEING VICTIMIZED BY AN ACCUSED BEING VICTIMIZED BY AN ACCUSED CHILD MOLESTER THANKS TO THE CHILD MOLESTER THANKS TO THE SWEET DEAL HE GOT. SWEET DEAL HE GOT. HE GOT TO LEAVE JAIL DURING THE HE GOT TO LEAVE JAIL DURING THE DAY TO WORK IN HIS OFFICE. DAY TO WORK IN HIS OFFICE. SINCE THEN HE HAS GONE BACK TO SINCE THEN HE HAS GONE BACK TO LIVING OFF HIS MILLIONS, JET LIVING OFF HIS MILLIONS, JET SETTING ALL OVER THE WORLD. SETTING ALL OVER THE WORLD. ALEX ACOSTA AGREED TO DO HIS ALEX ACOSTA AGREED TO DO HIS DEAL IN SECRET. DEAL IN SECRET. CRIME VICTIMS HAVE THE RIGHT TO CRIME VICTIMS HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE TOLD WHEN THERE ARE PLEA BE TOLD WHEN THERE ARE PLEA NEGOTIATION GOING ON, BUT ALEX NEGOTIATION GOING ON, BUT ALEX ACOSTA DID NOT NOTIFY THE ACOSTA DID NOT NOTIFY THE VICTIMS BEFORE HE GRANTED HIM VICTIMS BEFORE HE GRANTED HIM THAT PLEA DEAL. THAT PLEA DEAL. EPSTEIN’S LAWYERS ASKED ACOSTA EPSTEIN’S LAWYERS ASKED ACOSTA TO KEEP THE DEAL A SECRET AND TO KEEP THE DEAL A SECRET AND ACOSTA AGREED. ACOSTA AGREED. COURTNEY WILD, ONE OF THE VICTIM COURTNEY WILD, ONE OF THE VICTIM WHO IS WAS KEPT IN THE DARK WHO IS WAS KEPT IN THE DARK ABOUT THAT DEAL, SHE SUED THE ABOUT THAT DEAL, SHE SUED THE GOVERNMENT ALLEGING THAT ALEX GOVERNMENT ALLEGING THAT ALEX ACOSTA AND HIS TEAM BROKE THE ACOSTA AND HIS TEAM BROKE THE LAW BY KEEPING SECRET FROM HER LAW BY KEEPING SECRET FROM HER AND ALL THE OTHER VICTIMS THE AND ALL THE OTHER VICTIMS THE FACT THAT THEY GAVE EPSTEIN THIS FACT THAT THEY GAVE EPSTEIN THIS NON-PROSECUTION DEAL. NON-PROSECUTION DEAL. SHE FILED THAT NAUGHT 11 YEARLAW SHE FILED THAT NAUGHT 11 YEARLAW AGO AND IT DRAGGED ON FOR OVER A AGO AND IT DRAGGED ON FOR OVER A DECADE. DECADE. SHE BRAVELY AND COURAGEOUSLY PUT SHE BRAVELY AND COURAGEOUSLY PUT HER NAME ON THE RECORD AND TOLD HER NAME ON THE RECORD AND TOLD HER STORY TO THE “MIAMI HERALD.” HER STORY TO THE “MIAMI HERALD.” COURTNEY WILD DID NOT GIVE UP COURTNEY WILD DID NOT GIVE UP AND DROP HER CASE AFTER ALL THAT AND DROP HER CASE AFTER ALL THAT TIME. TIME. EVENTUALLY EARLIER THIS YEAR A EVENTUALLY EARLIER THIS YEAR A JUDGE AGREED WITH HER, RULING JUDGE AGREED WITH HER, RULING THAT THE CURRENT SECRETARY OF THAT THE CURRENT SECRETARY OF LABOR, ALEX ACOSTA BROKE THE LAW LABOR, ALEX ACOSTA BROKE THE LAW WHEN HE AGREED TO KEEP THAT DEAL WHEN HE AGREED TO KEEP THAT DEAL A SECRET FROM HIS VICTIMS. A SECRET FROM HIS VICTIMS. AND YET STILL EVEN THEN, THERE AND YET STILL EVEN THEN, THERE WAS NO JUSTICE FOR COURTNEY WILD WAS NO JUSTICE FOR COURTNEY WILD AND HER FELLOW VICTIMS. AND HER FELLOW VICTIMS. ALEX ACOSTA STAYED LABOR ALEX ACOSTA STAYED LABOR SECRETARY. SECRETARY. JEFFREY EPSTEIN STAYED FREE. JEFFREY EPSTEIN STAYED FREE. HE COULD NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE HE COULD NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR CRIMES TOWARDS COURTNEY WILD FOR CRIMES TOWARDS COURTNEY WILD AND THE DOZENS OF OTHER WOMEN AND THE DOZENS OF OTHER WOMEN LIKE HER WITH THE LIKE HER WITH THE NON-PROSECUTION AGREEMENT ON THE NON-PROSECUTION AGREEMENT ON THE BOOKS IN FLORIDA. BOOKS IN FLORIDA. IN FLORIDA. IN FLORIDA. OVER THE WEEKEND, FEDERAL OVER THE WEEKEND, FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK CITY PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK CITY BUSTED DOWN THE DOOR OF JEFFREY BUSTED DOWN THE DOOR OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S MANSION AND ARRESTED EPSTEIN’S MANSION AND ARRESTED HIM AT THE AIRPORT AFTER HE HIM AT THE AIRPORT AFTER HE LANDED IN HIS PRIVATE JET FRESH LANDED IN HIS PRIVATE JET FRESH OFF A VACATION IN FRANCE. OFF A VACATION IN FRANCE. THIS MORNING EPSTEIN WAS THIS MORNING EPSTEIN WAS ARRAIGNED IN FEDERAL COURT ON ARRAIGNED IN FEDERAL COURT ON FEDERAL SEX TRAFFICKING CHARGES FEDERAL SEX TRAFFICKING CHARGES IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK. IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK. IN THIS NEW INDICTMENT, THEY IN THIS NEW INDICTMENT, THEY ALLEGE BETWEEN 2002 AND 2005 HE ALLEGE BETWEEN 2002 AND 2005 HE ABUSED DOZENS OF UNDERAGE GIRLS ABUSED DOZENS OF UNDERAGE GIRLS IN MANHATTAN AND PALM BEACH. IN MANHATTAN AND PALM BEACH. THEY ARE PRACTICALLY A MIRROR THEY ARE PRACTICALLY A MIRROR IMAGE WRITTEN UP MORE THAN A IMAGE WRITTEN UP MORE THAN A DECADE AGO THAT WERE SHELVED BY DECADE AGO THAT WERE SHELVED BY ALEX ACCOST A. THEY COVER THE ALEX ACCOST A. THEY COVER THE SAME PERIOD. SAME PERIOD. THE SAME KINDS OF LURID SEX THE SAME KINDS OF LURID SEX CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN. CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN. THEY ARE NEW CHARGES ABOUT THEY ARE NEW CHARGES ABOUT DIFFERENT ALLEGATIONS FROM THE DIFFERENT ALLEGATIONS FROM THE LAST TIME HE WAS INVESTIGATED IN LAST TIME HE WAS INVESTIGATED IN FLORIDA. FLORIDA. THE ONES COVERED BY THE THE ONES COVERED BY THE NON-PROSECUTION AGREEMENT WHICH NON-PROSECUTION AGREEMENT WHICH HAS BEEN PROTECTING HIM FROM HAS BEEN PROTECTING HIM FROM BEING CHARGED THERE. BEING CHARGED THERE. THAT AGREEMENT NOT TO PROSECUTE THAT AGREEMENT NOT TO PROSECUTE IS ONLY VALID IN SOUTHERN IS ONLY VALID IN SOUTHERN FLORIDA WHERE ACCOSTOSTA MADE TH FLORIDA WHERE ACCOSTOSTA MADE TH DEAL WHICH LEFT THE FIELD WIDE DEAL WHICH LEFT THE FIELD WIDE OPEN FOR PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK OPEN FOR PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION OF TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION OF THEIR OWN INTO EPSTEIN’S CONDUCT THEIR OWN INTO EPSTEIN’S CONDUCT IN NEW YORK IN THEIR BACK YARD IN NEW YORK IN THEIR BACK YARD WHICH LED TO THE BRAND-NEW WHICH LED TO THE BRAND-NEW CHARGES TODAY. CHARGES TODAY. PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK DO NOT PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK DO NOT THINK EPSTEIN SHOULD BE SET FREE THINK EPSTEIN SHOULD BE SET FREE WITH JUST A SLAP ON THE WRIST. WITH JUST A SLAP ON THE WRIST. UNDER THIS NEW INDICTMENT, HE UNDER THIS NEW INDICTMENT, HE FACES 45 YEARS IN PRISON. FACES 45 YEARS IN PRISON. HE IS 66 YEARS OLD. HE IS 66 YEARS OLD. THAT MEANS IF HE IS FOUND GUILTY THAT MEANS IF HE IS FOUND GUILTY IN NEW YORK, HE COULD SPEND THE IN NEW YORK, HE COULD SPEND THE REST OF HIS NATURAL LIFE BEHIND REST OF HIS NATURAL LIFE BEHIND BARS. BARS. PROSECUTORS SEEM TO THINK THEY PROSECUTORS SEEM TO THINK THEY HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PUT HIM HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PUT HIM THERE. THERE. THEY ANNOUNCED WHAT THEY FOUND THEY ANNOUNCED WHAT THEY FOUND WHEN THEY BUSTED THROUGH WHEN THEY BUSTED THROUGH EPSTEIN’S FRONT DOOR. EPSTEIN’S FRONT DOOR. DOCUMENTS, NOTES, MESSAGES DOCUMENTS, NOTES, MESSAGES INCLUDING NAMES AND CONTACT INCLUDING NAMES AND CONTACT INFORMATION FOR EPSTEIN’S INFORMATION FOR EPSTEIN’S ALLEGED VICTIMS AND CALL RECORDS ALLEGED VICTIMS AND CALL RECORDS CONFIRMING HIS CONTACT WITH CONFIRMING HIS CONTACT WITH THEM. THEM. WITH THE VICTIMS. WITH THE VICTIMS. PROSECUTORS SAY THAT EVIDENCE IS PROSECUTORS SAY THAT EVIDENCE IS CONSISTENT WITH VICTIM CONSISTENT WITH VICTIM RECOLLECTIONS. RECOLLECTIONS. FURTHER STRENGTHENING THE FURTHER STRENGTHENING THE EVIDENCE OF CONDUCT CHARGED IN EVIDENCE OF CONDUCT CHARGED IN THE INDICTMENT. THE INDICTMENT. PROSECUTORS SAY THEY FOUND PROSECUTORS SAY THEY FOUND HUNDRED FIST NOT THOUSANDS OF HUNDRED FIST NOT THOUSANDS OF LEWD PHOTOGRAPHS OF YOUNG WOMEN LEWD PHOTOGRAPHS OF YOUNG WOMEN AND GIRLS WITHOUT THEIR CLOTHES AND GIRLS WITHOUT THEIR CLOTHES ON. ON. MANY OF WHOM ARE BELIEVED TO BE MANY OF WHOM ARE BELIEVED TO BE UNDERAGE. UNDERAGE. SOME OF THE PHOTOS WERE SOME OF THE PHOTOS WERE DISCOVERED IN A LOCKED SAFE. DISCOVERED IN A LOCKED SAFE. PROSECUTORS WRITING THAT THE PROSECUTORS WRITING THAT THE DEFENDANT IS NOT REFORMED. DEFENDANT IS NOT REFORMED. HE IS NOT CHASENT. HE IS NOT CHASENT. HE IS NOT REPENTANT. HE IS NOT REPENTANT. RATHER, HE IS A CONTINUING RATHER, HE IS A CONTINUING DANGER TO THE COMMUNITY AND AN DANGER TO THE COMMUNITY AND AN INDIVIDUAL WHO FACES DEVASTATING INDIVIDUAL WHO FACES DEVASTATING EVIDENCE SUPPORTING DEEPLY EVIDENCE SUPPORTING DEEPLY SERIOUS CHARGES. SERIOUS CHARGES. THAT DEVASTATING EVIDENCE THEY THAT DEVASTATING EVIDENCE THEY HAVE AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN HAVE AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN MUST BE A RELIEF TO A WOMAN LIKE MUST BE A RELIEF TO A WOMAN LIKE COURTNEY WILD. COURTNEY WILD. RELIEF TO THE DOZENS OR HUNDREDS RELIEF TO THE DOZENS OR HUNDREDS OF VICTIMS LIKE HER WHO LOST OF VICTIMS LIKE HER WHO LOST THEIR SHOT AT JUSTICE THE FIRST THEIR SHOT AT JUSTICE THE FIRST TIME AROUND BECAUSE ALEX ACOSTA TIME AROUND BECAUSE ALEX ACOSTA TOOK THAT SHOT AWAY. TOOK THAT SHOT AWAY. IT IS POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING IT IS POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING NEWS FOR THE LABOR SECRETARY TOO NEWS FOR THE LABOR SECRETARY TOO SINCE ALEX ACOSTA GAVE THAT SINCE ALEX ACOSTA GAVE THAT SWEETHEART DEAL WHEN HE WAS U.S. SWEETHEART DEAL WHEN HE WAS U.S. ATTORNEY, HE DEFENDED HIS ATTORNEY, HE DEFENDED HIS HANDLING OF THE CASE. HANDLING OF THE CASE. WITHOUT THAT DEAL, EPSTEIN COULD WITHOUT THAT DEAL, EPSTEIN COULD HAVE GOTTEN ZERO JAIL TIME AND HAVE GOTTEN ZERO JAIL TIME AND REGISTRATION AS A SEXUAL REGISTRATION AS A SEXUAL OFFENDER AND THERE WOULD HAVE OFFENDER AND THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN ZERO RESTITUTION FOR THE BEEN ZERO RESTITUTION FOR THE VICTIMS AND THAT’S THE BEST HE VICTIMS AND THAT’S THE BEST HE COULD GET BASED ON THE EVIDENCE COULD GET BASED ON THE EVIDENCE HE HAD. HE HAD. WITH THIS NEW INDICTMENT, WITH THIS NEW INDICTMENT, PROSECUTORS SEEM TO CONTRADICT PROSECUTORS SEEM TO CONTRADICT THAT ASSERTION. THAT ASSERTION. ACCORDING TO THIS NEW ACCORDING TO THIS NEW INDICTMENT, THERE IS ENOUGH INDICTMENT, THERE IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE DO YOU MEANING EVIDENCE DO YOU MEANING EPSTEIN’S CHILD SEX CRIMES TO EPSTEIN’S CHILD SEX CRIMES TO PUT HIM IN JAIL FOR THE REST OF PUT HIM IN JAIL FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. HIS LIFE. ALEX ACCOSTOSTA DID NOT SEE IT T ALEX ACCOSTOSTA DID NOT SEE IT T WAY. WAY. JOINING US NOW IS JULIE BROWN, JOINING US NOW IS JULIE BROWN, THE REPORTER WHOSE INDEPTH THE REPORTER WHOSE INDEPTH REPORTING SERIES ON JEFFREY REPORTING SERIES ON JEFFREY EPSTEIN BROKE THIS STORY WIDE EPSTEIN BROKE THIS STORY WIDE OPEN AND WAS CREDITED BY OPEN AND WAS CREDITED BY PROSECUTORS FOR ASSISTING IN THE PROSECUTORS FOR ASSISTING IN THE INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION. SHE WAS INSIDE THE COURT TODAY. SHE WAS INSIDE THE COURT TODAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. HERE. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS REPORTING. REPORTING. FOR THESE YOUNG VICTIMS IT HAD FOR THESE YOUNG VICTIMS IT HAD TO BE A RELIEF TO SEE THE TO BE A RELIEF TO SEE THE BEGINNINGS OF JUSTICE. BEGINNINGS OF JUSTICE. DOES IT SURPRISE YOU THAT THE DOES IT SURPRISE YOU THAT THE CHARGES THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT CHARGES THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT AGAINST HIM TODAY ARE SO SIMILAR AGAINST HIM TODAY ARE SO SIMILAR TO THE CHARGES THAT HE WAS GIVEN TO THE CHARGES THAT HE WAS GIVEN A SWEET DEAL FOR BEFORE. A SWEET DEAL FOR BEFORE. HOW CAN THAT BE EXPLAINED TO THE HOW CAN THAT BE EXPLAINED TO THE ORDINARY PERSON? ORDINARY PERSON?>>HE HAD AN OPERATION GOING.>>HE HAD AN OPERATION GOING. HE HAD PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR HE HAD PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR HIM. HIM. HE HAD A SET UP OF RECRUITERS HE HAD A SET UP OF RECRUITERS ALL OVER IN NEW YORK, IN ALL OVER IN NEW YORK, IN FLORIDA, AS FAR AS WE KNOW THIS FLORIDA, AS FAR AS WE KNOW THIS WAS PROBABLY GOING ON IN THE WAS PROBABLY GOING ON IN THE U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS WHERE HE HAD U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS WHERE HE HAD A HOME AND IN EUROPE. A HOME AND IN EUROPE. HE HAD SCHEDULERS JUST LIKE AN HE HAD SCHEDULERS JUST LIKE AN ORGANIZED CRIME ORGANIZATION ORGANIZED CRIME ORGANIZATION OPERATES WITH A BOSS AT THE TOP OPERATES WITH A BOSS AT THE TOP AND YOU HAVE THE LIEUTENANTS AND AND YOU HAVE THE LIEUTENANTS AND CAPOS AND SOLDIERS. CAPOS AND SOLDIERS. HE HAD PILOTS AND SCHEDULERS AND HE HAD PILOTS AND SCHEDULERS AND RECRUITERS AND PEOPLE WHO HANDLE RECRUITERS AND PEOPLE WHO HANDLE HIS MONEY AND PAID THE GIRLS. HIS MONEY AND PAID THE GIRLS. PEOPLE WHO DROVE THE GIRLS BACK PEOPLE WHO DROVE THE GIRLS BACK AND FORTH. AND FORTH. HE HAD A SCHEDULE WHERE TWO, HE HAD A SCHEDULE WHERE TWO, THREE OF THEM WOULD COME EVERY THREE OF THEM WOULD COME EVERY DAY. DAY. IT WOULDN’T BE SURPRISING THAT IT WOULDN’T BE SURPRISING THAT SINCE HE HAD THE SAME SINCE HE HAD THE SAME ORGANIZATION IN PLACE THAT THAT ORGANIZATION IN PLACE THAT THAT SAME OPERATION EXISTED IN NEW SAME OPERATION EXISTED IN NEW YORK AS WELL AS IN FLORIDA. YORK AS WELL AS IN FLORIDA.>>HOW PUBLICLY KNOWN — AMONG>>HOW PUBLICLY KNOWN — AMONG THE PEOPLE WHO KNEW JEFFREY THE PEOPLE WHO KNEW JEFFREY EPSTEIN, WAS THIS SOMETHING EPSTEIN, WAS THIS SOMETHING KNOWN THAT HE WAS DOING OR WAS KNOWN THAT HE WAS DOING OR WAS IT A SECRET OPERATION WHERE THE IT A SECRET OPERATION WHERE THE EMPLOYEES KNEW, BUT OUTSIDE OF EMPLOYEES KNEW, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE, NO ONE THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE, NO ONE KNEW? KNEW?>>WELL, THERE WERE PEOPLE>>WELL, THERE WERE PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE OPERATION THAT OUTSIDE THE OPERATION THAT PROBABLY KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING, PROBABLY KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING, WHETHER THEY PARTICIPATED IN IT WHETHER THEY PARTICIPATED IN IT OR JUST KNEW ABOUT IT AND LOOKED OR JUST KNEW ABOUT IT AND LOOKED THE OTHER WAY, WE DON’T KNOW. THE OTHER WAY, WE DON’T KNOW. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAD TO KNOW WHAT HE WAS THAT HAD TO KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING. DOING. IT WAS TOO PERVASIVE FOR THEM IT WAS TOO PERVASIVE FOR THEM NOT TO KNOW. NOT TO KNOW.>>HOW WAS IT THAT HE WAS>>HOW WAS IT THAT HE WAS SENTENCE AND GOT THIS DEAL, THE SENTENCE AND GOT THIS DEAL, THE IDEA THAT HE WAS ALLOWED TO BE IDEA THAT HE WAS ALLOWED TO BE OUT OF JAIL ON A WORK RELEASE OUT OF JAIL ON A WORK RELEASE AND HE WAS BARELY PUNISHED AT AND HE WAS BARELY PUNISHED AT ALL AND THE GIRLS WERE ALL AND THE GIRLS WERE CLASSIFIED AND WHEN HE WAS CLASSIFIED AND WHEN HE WAS CONVICTED OF WAS PROSTITUTION. CONVICTED OF WAS PROSTITUTION.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT. THEY TREATED THESE GIRLS LIKE THEY TREATED THESE GIRLS LIKE THEY WERE PROSTITUTES EVEN THEY WERE PROSTITUTES EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE UNDERAGE. THOUGH THEY WERE UNDERAGE. THAT’S ONE OF THE EXCUSES FOR THAT’S ONE OF THE EXCUSES FOR NOT CHARGING HIM WITH MORE NOT CHARGING HIM WITH MORE SERIOUS CRIMES BECAUSE THEY SERIOUS CRIMES BECAUSE THEY ACCEPTED MONEY. ACCEPTED MONEY. IT WAS THEIR FAULT IN THEIR IT WAS THEIR FAULT IN THEIR MINDS THAT THESE GIRLS CAME FROM MINDS THAT THESE GIRLS CAME FROM VULNERABLE FAMILIES AND BROKEN VULNERABLE FAMILIES AND BROKEN HOMES AND SOME WERE PRETTY MUCH HOMES AND SOME WERE PRETTY MUCH HOMELESS. HOMELESS. THEY DIDN’T TAKE THESE GIRLS THEY DIDN’T TAKE THESE GIRLS SERIOUSLY WHICH IN HINDSIGHT SERIOUSLY WHICH IN HINDSIGHT THEY SHOULD HAVE. THEY SHOULD HAVE. A COUPLE OF THEM TOOK THEM TO A COUPLE OF THEM TOOK THEM TO COURT AND HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR COURT AND HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR THIS FOR 10 YEARS AND HAVE BEEN THIS FOR 10 YEARS AND HAVE BEEN PERSISTENT IN FIGHTING FOR PERSISTENT IN FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE. JUSTICE.>>HOW WELL DID HE KNOW DONALD>>HOW WELL DID HE KNOW DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP. WHEN HE CALLS HIM A FRIEND, IS WHEN HE CALLS HIM A FRIEND, IS THAT A REFLECTION? THAT A REFLECTION?>>I THINK THEY WERE FRIENDS,>>I THINK THEY WERE FRIENDS, BUT I DON’T KNOW IF THEY STILL BUT I DON’T KNOW IF THEY STILL ARE. ARE. HE FLEW ON JEFFREY’S PLANE AND HE FLEW ON JEFFREY’S PLANE AND JEFFREY AT TIME BELONGED TO MAR JEFFREY AT TIME BELONGED TO MAR A LAGO. A LAGO. TRUMP KICKED HIM OUT BECAUSE HE TRUMP KICKED HIM OUT BECAUSE HE HIT ON ONE OF THE MEMBERS’ HIT ON ONE OF THE MEMBERS’ YOUNGER DAUGHTERS. YOUNGER DAUGHTERS. I DON’T KNOW HOW FRIENDLY THEY I DON’T KNOW HOW FRIENDLY THEY ARE ANY LONGER, BUT THEY WERE IN ARE ANY LONGER, BUT THEY WERE IN THE SAME SOCIAL CIRCLE. THE SAME SOCIAL CIRCLE.>>HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO>>HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO INTERVIEW OR TALK TO PEOPLE WHO INTERVIEW OR TALK TO PEOPLE WHO HAD THOUGHTS ABOUT THE WAY HE HAD THOUGHTS ABOUT THE WAY HE ENDED THIS CASE? ENDED THIS CASE?>>JEFF SLOWMAN WAS WHO WAS>>JEFF SLOWMAN WAS WHO WAS DEPUTY HAS BEEN VOCAL IN THE DEPUTY HAS BEEN VOCAL IN THE SUPPORT OF MR. ACOSTA. SUPPORT OF MR. ACOSTA. HE AGREES THAT A.M.LEX FACED A L HE AGREES THAT A.M.LEX FACED A L OF PUSH BACK BY EPSTEIN’S OF PUSH BACK BY EPSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS AND IN THEIR VIEW, THE ATTORNEYS AND IN THEIR VIEW, THE GIRLS AT THE TIME WERE RELUCTANT GIRLS AT THE TIME WERE RELUCTANT TO GO TO TRIAL BECAUSE THEY WERE TO GO TO TRIAL BECAUSE THEY WERE SCARED. SCARED. THEY WERE VERY YOUNG AT 13 OR 14 THEY WERE VERY YOUNG AT 13 OR 14 YEARS OLD. YEARS OLD. BUT HERE’S WHAT I ALWAYS POINT BUT HERE’S WHAT I ALWAYS POINT OUT TO PEOPLE. OUT TO PEOPLE. IF THIS WAS SUCH A GOOD DEAL, IF IF THIS WAS SUCH A GOOD DEAL, IF THIS WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, THIS WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, WHY DID YOU SEAL IT AND KEEP IT WHY DID YOU SEAL IT AND KEEP IT SECRET? SECRET? I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY ANYBODY I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY ANYBODY HASN’T FORCED HIM TO ANSWER THAT HASN’T FORCED HIM TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. QUESTION. THEY SAY WELL, THE GIRLS DIDN’T THEY SAY WELL, THE GIRLS DIDN’T WANT TO COOPERATE AND THEIR WANT TO COOPERATE AND THEIR STORIES WERE DIFFERENT OR THERE STORIES WERE DIFFERENT OR THERE ARE OTHER REASONS. ARE OTHER REASONS. BUT OKAY. BUT OKAY. THEN WHY DID YOU SEAL IT AND THEN WHY DID YOU SEAL IT AND MAKE THEM FIGHT FOR ALMOST A MAKE THEM FIGHT FOR ALMOST A YEAR, THE GOVERNMENT FOUGHT THEM YEAR, THE GOVERNMENT FOUGHT THEM AND WOULDN’T EVEN GIVE THEM THE AND WOULDN’T EVEN GIVE THEM THE AGREEMENT. AGREEMENT. IT’S BAFFLING THAT THEY COULD IT’S BAFFLING THAT THEY COULD JUSTIFY THIS BY SAYING ALL THESE JUSTIFY THIS BY SAYING ALL THESE REASONS, BUT IN REALITY THE REASONS, BUT IN REALITY THE REASON IS THEY KEPT IT FROM REASON IS THEY KEPT IT FROM THEM. THEM.>>IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO>>IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO ASK HIM THOSE QUESTIONS.