Updates and Surprises in New Mexico Politics | The Line


>>WELCOME BACK TO THE LINE. IT WAS A BIG WEEK IN POLITICAL
NEWS ACROSS THE STATE. FORMER GOVERNOR GARY JOHNSON
ANNOUNCED HE WILL RUN FOR SENATE AS A LIBERTARIAN. HE RAN FOR PRESIDENT AS
LIBERTARIAN NOMINEE IN 2016 AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER NEWS
STORIES THAT CAUGHT OUR ATTENTION THIS WEEK. DAN BOYD START WITH YOU,
JOHNSON’S ANNOUNCEMENT, IS THIS A SURPRISE?>>IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A
SURPRISE A FEW MONTHS AGO. WE HAVE BEEN HEARING RUMOR
BUILDING, SO, I DON’T THINK IT WAS A SURPRISE THAT HE FINALLY
DECIDED TO ENTER THE CASE. I THINK HE SAW THE OPPORTUNITY
TO REPLACE ANOTHER CANDIDATE, AUBREY DUNN ON THE BALLOT, SO
HE DIDN’T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SIGNATURES AND PETITIONS
AND I THINK HE KIND OF SAW IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET BACK
INTO THE POLITICAL SCENE AND IN THE SPOTLIGHT AND IT KIND
OF MAKES THE RACE MORE INTERESTING EVEN THOUGH IT
DOES FEATURE THE INCUMBENT MARTIN HEINRICH WHO IS
PROBABLY STILL THE FAVORITE IN THE RACE BUT ANY TIME YOU HAVE
SOMEONE LIKE GARY JOHNSON, A FORMER GOVERNOR, IT LIVENS
THINGS UP AND ESPECIALLY WITH HIM RUNNING AS A LIBERTARIAN,
A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE.>>CAROLYN, SOMETIMES THOSE
THIRD PARTY CANDIDATES PUSH ISSUES AND CHANGE THE
CONVERSATION IN THE RACE. DO YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING
HERE?>>DEFINITELY, I THINK IT WILL
BE GOOD FOR THE RACE. HEINRICH HAS TO STEP UP AND
MAYBE RETHINK BECAUSE YOU KNOW MAYBE IT IS A SLAM DUNK BUT AT
LEAST NOW HE HAS ANOTHER VOICE HE HAS TO ANSWER, SO I THINK
IT WILL BE GOOD.>>MERRITT, WE KEEP HEARING
MORE AND MORE NEW MEXICANS, ESPECIALLY YOUNGER NEW
MEXICANS ARE REGISTERING AS INDEPENDENTS AND ARE WILLING
TO HEAR FROM DIFFERENT PARTIES. IS THIS A SIGN OF THINGS
CHANGES IN 2018.>>ABSOLUTELY. I THINK EVERYONE AGREES
JOHNSON ENTERING THE RACE, THE BIGGEST IMPACT IS ON THE
REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE. NEW MEXICO REPUBLICANS HAVE
NOT BEEN WELL ORGANIZED FOR A LONG TIME. AND, IT IS FRACTIOUS, IT IS
DIVIDED. THE ORGANIZATION OF THE
LIBERTARIAN SPLIT OFF TO ME IS KIND OF LIKE REPUBLICAN
REFUGEES. SO, I THINK IT IS AN
INTERESTING TREND IN BEING ABLE TO FIELD A CANDIDATE WHO
HAS RUN AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, KNOWS HOW TO CAMPAIGN AND WILL
BE AN INTERESTING LESSON FOR OTHER FOLKS AND WHILE IT MAY
NOT BE SUCCESSFUL IN THIS RACE I THINK WE’LL GIVE GRAVITAS TO
THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY. AND I DEFINITELY SEE IN THE
EAST MOUNTAINS AND BEYOND ESTANCIA VALLEY, HOUSE
DISTRICT 50, WE HAVE AN INDEPENDENT RUNNING AGAINST AN
INCUMBENT DEMOCRAT WITH NO REPUBLICAN. THAT RACE IS MUCH MORE
INTERESTING BECAUSE IT IS A TWO PERSON RACE. SO, I THINK WE CAN BE MORE
PREDICTABLE ABOUT VOTE COUNTING. NUMBERS ARE VERY INTERESTING
AS I SEE APPLEWHITE, WHO IS WORKING HARD AND VERY CREDIBLE
CANDIDATE, HE NEEDS TO TURN ABOUT 1000 DEMOCRAT VOTES IN
HIS DISTRICT. I THINK HE CAN PULL IT OFF.>>I THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE —
LIBERTARIANS ARE ON THE BALLOTS THIS YEAR AS A MAJOR
PARTY BECAUSE OF THE 2016 ELECTIONS AND PEOPLE EXPECTED
MORE OF A SHOWING FROM LIBERTARIANS THIS YEAR. HAS IT BEEN A LITTLE
UNDERWHELMING?>>FOR NEW MEXICO, NO. I AM IMPRESSED THEY HAD A
CONVENTION. I THOUGHT THAT WAS TREMENDOUS. AND REPUBLICANS — I FEEL
REPUBLICANS IN NEW MEXICO HAD GOTTEN VERY WELL ORGANIZED TO
THE POINT OF BEING ABLE TO PICK UP THE HOUSE IN 2014. UNFORTUNATELY THAT WASN’T ABLE
TO BE SUSTAINED AND I THINK IT IS A GOOD GROUND SWELL.>>LAURA, DO YOU THINK
LIBERTARIANS ARE CHANGING THE POLITICAL CONVERSATIONS HERE
AND HAVING IMPACTS.>>I THINK GARY JOHNSON IS
GOING TO. I AM NOT SURE LIBERTARIANS,
THE PARTY, ARE GOING TO. I HAVE THIS ARGUMENT WITH MY
HUSBAND ALL THE TIME BECAUSE HE DOESN’T LIKE THE TWO-PARTY
SYSTEM AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE, SO HE THINKS IT IS
IMPORTANT TO HAVE OTHER OPTIONS. HE IS REGISTERED DECLINE TO
STATE AND SO I THINK HE REPRESENTS A GROWING GROUP OF
PEOPLE, THOUGH, THAT DON’T WANT TO AFFILIATE WITH A
SINGLE PARTY AND I THINK THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY AS A PARTY
COULD POTENTIALLY DRAW SOME OF THESE PEOPLE IN, BUT I AGREE
WITH MERRITT, I THINK AT LEAST AT THE SENATE RACE, IT IS MORE
OF AN ISSUE FOR THE REPUBLICAN THAT IS IN THE RACE. THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO
FIND VOTES THAT COME ACROSS. I THINK THAT IT IS EXTREMELY
LATE FOR SOMEBODY TO JUMP INTO A RACE. WE ARE ONLY TWO-AND-A-HALF
MONTHS OUT AT THIS POINT FROM THE ELECTION AND TO BE ABLE TO
RAISE THE MONEY TO GET ON TV AND DO ALL THOSE THINGS, TO
REACH VAST MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIKELY WILL HAVE
ALREADY VOTED AND KNOW WHO THEY ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR, IS
DIFFICULT. I THINK, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
FOR MARTIN HEINRICH IT GIVES HIM A REASON TO RAISE MONEY
WHICH HE HASN’T BEEN DOING AS MUCH. THERE WAS A LOT MORE ATTENTION
ON THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN THE RACES, OTHER POSITIONS. SO, YOU’RE GOING TO SEE HIM
START TO SORT OF TURN THAT UP A LOT HIGHER. BUT ONE OF THE INTERESTING
THINGS ABOUT MARTIN HEINRICH, HE PLAYED IN THE PRIMARY IN A
WAY THAT AFFECTED HIM BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY ENDORSED
VENEKLASEN IN THE STATE LAND OFFICE RACE IN THE PRIMARY AND
THAT MADE A LOT OF DEMOCRATS UNHAPPY WITH HIM, PEOPLE WHO
WERE SUPPORTING GARCIA RICHARDS AND SUPPORTING GEORGE
MUNOS AND FELT LIKE HIS INVOLVEMENT IN THAT RACE WAS
UNNECESSARY AND HE HAD PERSONAL CONNECTION TO
VENEKLASEN AS WELL AS A VALUES BASED CONNECTION ON THE
ENVIRONMENT. BUT IT MADE A LOT OF PEOPLE
UNHAPPY AND I DON’T KNOW IF THAT TRANSLATES INTO VOTES FOR
JOHNSON BUT I THINK HE’LL PICK UP MORE VOTES THAN WE EXPECT
PROBABLY.>>WE ALSO A DEMOCRATIC
EX-GOVERNOR JERRY APODACA, FATHER OF FORMER GUBERNATORIAL
CANDIDATE JEFF APODACA, ENDORSED REPUBLICAN STEVE
PEARCE. WHAT YOU DO YOU THINK ABOUT
THAT ANNOUNCEMENT?>>IT IS HUGELY DISAPPOINTING
MOVE FOR A FORMER GOVERNOR TO DO AND I THINK IT IS JUST
PERSONAL POLITICS AT ITS WORST. I DON’T SEE ANY DEMOCRAT
CERTAINLY STAUNCH DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO SUDDENLY GO FOR
PEARCE BECAUSE OF APODACA. I THINK IT IS SADLY A
REFLECTION OF THE APODACA CAMPAIGN NOT BEING ABLE TO
MEND FENCES AFTER A VERY DIFFICULT PRIMARY. HE TOOK A VERY AGGRESSIVE
STANCE AGAINST MICHELLE LUJAN-GRISHAM. THEY HAD A LOT OF THE MONEY
AND A LOT OF THE SUPPORT VERY EARLY ON AND IT WAS LOOKING
LIKE SHE WOULD END UP WINNING OUT OF THE PRIMARY AND THEY
DID VERY LITTLE TO TRY TO MEND FENCES AFTERWARDS AND, IN
GENERAL, BOTH PARTIES TRY TO MEND FENCES AFTER THE FACT AND
YOU DON’T WANT TO SEE THIS SORT OF OUTCOME. I DON’T THINK IT MAKES ANY
DIFFERENCE EXCEPT IT MAKES THEM LOOK LIKE THEY ARE NOT
GOOD DEMOCRATS. THEY ARE JUST NOT HOLDING ON
TO THEIR CORE BELIEFS ABOUT BEING A DEMOCRAT. THEY ARE WILLING TO JUMP SHIP
AND GO TO REPUBLICANS.>>HAVE YOU HEARD REACTIONS TO
THIS ANNOUNCEMENT?>>I HAVE. I HAVE HEARD SIMILAR TO WHAT
LAURA SAID. THERE IS DEFINITELY FACTIONS
WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND ALSO WITHIN THE
DEMOCRATIC. THIS SHOULD BE GOOD YEAR FOR
DEMOCRATS GIVEN THE NATIONAL MOOD AND KIND OF THE TAIL WIND
BUT I THINK THERE ARE ISSUES LIKE THAT. DIVIDES WITHIN THE PARTY. AND ALSO FOR MICHELLE LUJAN
GRISHAM, SHE HADN’T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE AMENDS WITH CERTAIN —
APODACA FACTION AND OTHERS AND YOU HAVE THE BERNIE SANDERS
FOLLOWERS, WHO WALKED IN TO FOLLOW MORE MODERATE
DEMOCRATS. CERTAINLY IN THE LEGISLATURE
YOU DO SEE A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEMOCRATS BUT I DO THINK IF
MICHELLE WERE TO WIN, HAVING A DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATURE AND A
GOVERNOR, THAT YOU WOULD SEE MORE OF THOSE SPLITS IN THE
LEGISLATURE.>>MERRITT, PERSONAL POLITICS
ARE CROSSING THE AISLE?>>WHAT POLITICS AREN’T
PERSONAL? AND WHAT I SEE IS, YEAH, THERE
IS CERTAINLY FACTION ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, DEMOCRATS,
NEW MEXICO, ARE NOT SEEING A FRACTURE YET BUT A FISSURE
BETWEEN TRADITIONAL LONG TIME NEW MEXICAN DEMOCRATS, JOHN
ARTHUR SMITH AND MARY KAY PAPIN, AND MORE KIND OF NEW
GENERATION OF DEMOCRATS WHO MAY BE MORE PROGRESSIVE, BRIAN
EGOLF AND SEE TOO, I THINK, WHAT I WOULD CALL PRO BUSINESS
DEMOCRATS. LOSING THE PRIMARY, DEBBIE
RODELLA AND KARL TRUJILLO, I THINK THAT IS AN INDICATOR
THAT ALSO SOME OF THE MORE MODERATE DEMOCRATIC FACTIONS
MAY NOT BE HAPPY WITH THE DIRECTION THE PARTY IS GOING. IT IS GOING TO THE LEFT.>>ANDREA ROMERO, WHO IS
RUNNING IN DISTRICT 46, THE INCUMBENT, REPRESENTATIVE,
CARL TRUJILLO IN THE PRIMARY, THE SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN
REPORTED THAT AN AUDIT OF THE REGIONAL COALITION — LOS
ALAMOS NATIONAL LABORATORIES COMMUNITIES FOUND IMPROPER
EXPENDITURE PAYMENTS INCLUDING TO HER AS FORMER EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR. DO YOU THINK THAT IS GOING TO
BE A BIG DEAL IN THAT RACE?>>I THINK THE BIGGEST DEAL IS
GOING TO BE FOR RCLC AND THIS COULD BE THE END OF THE RCLC
AND THE PROBLEM IS THE REGIONAL COALITION OF
GOVERNMENTS AROUND LOS ALAMOS NEVER HAD A STRONG ENOUGH
CHARTER. WHEN YOU HAVE FUNDING WITHOUT
A REALLY STRONG CHARTER OR ORGANIZATION, IT IS HARD TO
FIGURE OUT WHAT TO SPEND YOUR MONEY ON. I DON’T THINK THAT EXCUSES THE
BEHAVIOR AND COULD BE A PROBLEM FOR THE RACE BUT MY
HOPE IS IT IS ALSO THE END OF THE RCLC.>>I HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE
LOCAL, THE STATE-WIDE RACES AND I AM WONDERING IF VOTERS
ARE EXCITED FOR THIS 2018 MIDTERM. WHAT IS YOUR SENSE OF IT RIGHT
NOW?>>WELL, MY CONTACT IS MORE
WITH THE ALIBI READERS WHICH ARE MORE THE YOUNGER READERS
AND YOU SEE A LOT OF EXCITEMENT TO GET READY, TO
GET VOTED AND GET OUT THERE, BUT YOU ALSO SEE WHY AND I
DON’T LIKE ANY OF THESE CANDIDATES.>>I THINK WE HAVE SOME WORK
TO DO AS POLITICAL PARTIES TO REALLY REACH OUT TO BRING IN
THOSE VOTERS AND BRING THEM TOGETHER. I DON’T TALK TO A LOT OF GROWN
UPS ABOUT VOTING BECAUSE I AM MORE FOCUSED ON THE YOUNG
PEOPLE BUT I DO HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO TO BRING THEM
TOGETHER.>>DAN, MIDTERMS USUALLY TURN
OUT A LITTLE LOWER. DO YOU THINK 2018 WILL BE
DIFFERENT?>>I THINK IT WILL BE LOWER. IT IS NOT A PRESIDENTIAL RACE. I DO THINK WITH THE GOVERNOR’S
RACE, A CONTESTED ONE AND NOW A NEW SENATE RACE — I DO
THINK, THIS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THE RCLC ISSUE. FOLKS GET TURNED OFF BY MISUSE
OF PUBLIC FUNDS, SPENDING $28 ON A SHOT OF WHISKEY, THINGS
LIKE THAT, AND I THINK CAN LEAD TO DISENCHANTMENT
ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE RECENT HISTORY IN NEW MEXICO OF SOME
OF THE PUBLIC CORRUPTION CASES SO THERE WILL BE
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS ON THE BALLOT TO CREATE A NEW
STATE ETHICS COMMISSION AND KIND OF RESTORING PUBLIC TRUST
A LITTLE BIT, GET MORE PEOPLE OUT TO VOTE, IT WAS A PRETTY
HIGH TURN OUT FOR THE PRIMARIES. WE’LL SEE. I THINK IT COULD BE DECENT
TURNOUT BUT NOT EXPECTING A HUGE WAVE OF VOTERS.>>ARE FOLKS EXCITED ABOUT THE
GOVERNOR’S RACE AND OTHER RACES.>>TRADITIONALLY CAMPAIGNS
DON’T GET STARTED UNTIL AFTER LABOR DAY. IT HAS BEEN EXTENDED MORE AND
MORE EVERY YEAR, IT SEEMS LIKE RECENTLY. SO I THINK WE ARE STILL IN THE
SUMMER, WHATEVER IT IS, GOING BACK TO SCHOOL AND PEOPLE
AREN’T PAYING ATTENTION AS MUCH AS PERHAPS THEY WILL, BUT
I THINK THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A CONTESTED GUBERNATORIAL RACE
NOW WITH THE CONTESTED SENATE RACE, I MEAN, WHETHER YOUR PRO
JOHNSON OR NOT, HAVING HIM IN THE RACE ADDS SOME EXCITEMENT
TO THAT PARTICULAR CASE. I THINK YOU’LL SEE MORE PEOPLE
POTENTIALLY VOTING. THEY DON’T GENERATE AS MUCH
EXCITEMENT AS A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION BUT WE HAVE ALSO SEEN
ACROSS THE COUNTRY A WAVE OF PEOPLE GOING TO THE POLLS MORE
AND MORE BECAUSE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE WHITE HOUSE
AND YOU MAY SEE SOME OF THAT AS WELL SO THERE WILL BE SOME
COATTAILS WITH SORT OF ANTI-TRUMP SORT OF SENTIMENT
BUT ALSO THE TOP TWO CANDIDATES, PEARCE AND
LUJAN-GRISHAM, ARE GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF
HAVING PEOPLE COME TO THE POLLS.>>MERRITT, YOU MENTIONED THAT
DISTRICT 50 RACE. SOUNDS LIKE YOU’RE GOING TO BE
WATCHING. DO YOU THINK SOME OF THOSE
FOLKS IN THE RACES WILL GET PEOPLE EXCITED WHEN MEETING
PEOPLE IN THEIR COMMUNITY WHO ARE RUNNING.>>I HOPE SO. I THINK THERE ARE INTERESTING
RACES DOWN IN THE SOUTHWEST, IN PARTICULAR, HOUSE DISTRICT
32 IN DEMING. CANDIE SWEETSER IS THE
MODERATE DEMOCRAT INCUMBENT. WE HAVE A BILINGUAL PHYSICIAN,
LAURA BOYD, WHO UNDERSTANDS RANCHERS AND SHE IS WORKING
VERY HARD. THAT WILL BE AN INTERESTING
RACE. FORMER STATE SENATOR LEE
COTTER IS CHALLENGING RUDY MARTINEZ IN HOUSE DISTRICT 39. THAT IS VERY INTERESTING
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW REPRESENTATIVE MARTINEZ IS
EMBROILED IN A LAWSUIT WITH A COUNTY HOSPITAL. THOSE TWO SEATS COULD BE IN
PLAY AND IF APPLEWHITE IS SUCCESSFUL IN 50, EVERYONE
THINKS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE — YET THERE IS NO WAY THERE IS
GOING TO BE ANY PROGRESS FOR REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE, BUT
THE LOSS OF ONE DEMOCRAT SEAT AND PICK UP OF TWO R SEATS
COULD BE A BIG GAME CHANGER.>>WE’LL KEEP AN EYE ON THAT. WE’LL HAVE TO END IT THERE. IN JUST A MOMENT WE LOOK AT A
PROPOSAL TO BUILD A TINY HOUSE VILLAGE IN ALBUQUERQUE.

Republican schism still defining politics – and roiling tempers – at Montana Legislature


in news out of Helen at the close of the 2019 legislature we saw a political dynamic unfold a split in the Republican Party between conservatives and moderates MTN’s chief political reporter mike dissin has more from Medicaid expansion 280 million dollars of infrastructure bonding to a bet tax increase to fund historical museums a coalition of Democrats and moderate Republicans banded together this session to form the majority that pass a major legislation but on many of those votes Republican leaders who come from the party’s conservative bloc voted no in the Senate leader said that’s how the process works and that they realize the GOP has a diverse membership very few people that get everything they want here if any and that’s just part of the process and that’s how it’s designed thought process was to leave this session so that we’re all getting along and when we disagree we shake hands and move on and call it a day but in the house last Thursday GOP leaders had some different thoughts on the matter majority leader Brad cheetah of Missoula called Republicans to separate minorities in the legislature and chastised those who teamed up with Democrats to vote for higher taxes Montana’s I believe we could have done more despite despite there being 58 Republicans in this chamber we are not the majority also on the House floor Thursday veteran Republican representative nancy balance of hamilton who voted with the moderates on key bills suggested that leadership removed her from an important fiscal committee as a form of retaliation having difficulty understanding how a 40 year career in the finance industry four times leading the appropriations committee why i would be replaced by a freshman legislator but GOP House Speaker Greg Hurst says balance had the power to reappoint herself and didn’t and he noticed that the full committee later made her an ad hoc member Republican leadership also made a last-minute power play to change legislative rules to give them unprecedented control over interim committees in the next year but Democratic Senate leader John says Oh a beaut saw a way to block it by moving to adjourn the session Thursday to noon that moves exceeded by a single vote 25 to 24 with all 20 Senate Democrats in favor and five Republicans reporting from Helena Mike Dennison MTN news and MTN news has a more in-depth look at the session on this week’s face the state which airs Sunday morning

Youth and Government: "One Thing I Learned from the Y: Never Give Up."



because I'm horrible at basketball there's one thing I've learned from the line to never ever give up an educated citizen is the most powerful person in their government for students and delegates that one to run for public office so they want to be a senator or a representative or they want to be a district or County judge the you think government program prepares you for that better than anything else out there not just the fact that it's teaching you a procedure but the whole society putting you in that society it's just so amazing I was really sort of accepted in the youth and government family and I'm very thankful for that and I just tried to give and I've tried to give back to the program by being governor I've tried to expand it by increasing our membership and making it more enjoyable for students you know that really helps you make friends because you are you think government programs taught me a lot about how our government works and how we make bills and how they become a law over three years I've spent hundreds and hundreds of hours just polishing my debating skills learning how to speak to people better and it's just done so much for me and prompt to anything you can name it really is shaping the future the future leaders of America I enjoyed being back more of a background force than like an inside force with governor Millikan's Kevin Riley is I've seen Riley become like a rock star he he knows the program he's he knows the rule he also is very passionate about the program he's he's more kind as well because he's trying to help everyone he wants this program to be successful do you think ever met a program has introduced me to what actually I'll be doing the procedure introduced me to real warriors that opened up opportunities for me to actually be a part of the community before I even go to hospital one of my goals in life in a future career that I'm very interested is that well knowledge is power Sir Francis Bacon nothing wrong with wanting to be more powerful up here and here as well all right because I work out in I look away

Youth and Government: "I'm Going to Break the Stereotypes."



when I look around my community I see history and culture I always thought it was the perfect place but a lot of times subconsciously I found myself falling into the stereotypes being a Hispanic Latino low-income girl just a lot of times kind of influenced I think the decisions I had to make in life to make my community a better place I feel like I have to break those stereotypes I feel like do you think government I was finally able to truly realize what I want to do in life I want to be a politician I do want to make a difference for the people who raised me for the people who have given me so much at my YMCA I get involved with the program called youth in government the model legislature and core program where high school students my age get to explore different government areas and they get to act oh I don't want to say act because we actually are the program areas we are for real there's a lot of these issues you know our partner reality of our state government more often I do feel like this program has a major impact on the California Legislature seeing as how our bills do get funneled into the legislature and are considered by Governor Jerry Brown I super nervously just applied to for the governor's lobbyist positions no one in my delegation had really ever ran for a position before after I was nervous because I'm a small delegation and from a low-income community from Boyle Heights where all our delegates part of the scholarship program what you can government so I just felt like for a while there I was putting myself down but when I saw how welcoming all the other governors obvious where and how the rest of the governor's administration where I really found my place and Usedom government and my job was to debate for and against spills for example if I got a bill on education then I can do in-depth reports on it I was able to research do my own research I was able to speak passionately to all the Senators in the room and all the Assembly members in the room we can make change in those areas that are most prevalent to us one way we have tried to do that this year is through that every student matters campaign I don't know if you remember about two weeks ago we did one of our bills Javier hopefully by better defining willful defiance will let teachers have that power over their students to suspend students but only being able to do that for legitimate reasons and that's thing that you think government I feel can really change sometimes it is like the real world where you feel belittled as a small delegation sometimes you feel like you don't have enough as much power as the bigger delegation student so this year my focus was on getting each delegate to speak in their roles to stand up in their committees to stand up in their sessions and just speak their voice everybody had an equal stake and an investment and they felt like they were a part of something greater than themselves Wow next year I don't know how I'm gonna do that how am I gonna beat that now we have a lot of youth within the delegation who wanted to follow in her footsteps well I'm really proud of you Sabrina and congratulations on your final year as a senior in high school and representing your community so well and represented the Y's so well and you're gonna I'm gonna watch you for the rest of my life so I know you're going to continue to do great things in my opinion no matter how small delegation you're from if you have a voice you can use it and people will listen

Party Instability: Why American Politics Feels Broken



American politics feels more chaotic and unstable than ever our political parties have sorted into ideological opposites but there's a reason for all this turmoil America's political instability is occurring because of deep ongoing economic and demographic structural changes that are causing existing voting blocs to regroup and reconsider which issues motivate them and which party they support as a result control of the legislative and executive branches keeps shifting back and forth and notably these structural changes are affecting countries all over the world what is stable today isn't stable tomorrow and political parties have to adjust in order to find positions that win them a majority of voters luckily there's a reason to be hopeful this has happened before in our history for example in response to the Great Depression Democrats found a winning combination of issues with the New Deal they promised voters security from financial ruin made welfare a popular voting platform and as a result went on to control Congress for 60 years today political parties are struggling to find a winning combination of positions on the challenges that are causing people to change political allegiances including global trade immigration automation access to health care and inequality once one political party figures out a winning combination of policies that can consistently win them elections political stability will return you

What a Jason Kenney Alberta could look like | Power & Politics



Alberta is back to its blue roots last night Jason Kenney and the United Conservative Party swept to majority power in the province toppling the NDP's first ever government and Kenny sites are squarely set on who he sees as foes of the oil patch Albertans have decided that we will no longer passively accept the campaign of defamation against the industry that has helped to create one of the most prosperous and generous societies on earth while some advanced voting results are still being counted here's a look at the big picture a wave of Tory blue has replaced the NDP's Orange Crush from 2015 the UCP took three seats from NDP cabinet ministers but see those circles that's where the NDP held firm in Edmonton Rachel Notley keeps her seat and becomes leader of the Opposition the rest of the capital also remains largely orange but it's a very different picture in Calgary voters in the provinces largest city all but kicked the NDP from its borders I will make sure that our vision of Alberta endures through a rigorous and robust opposition holding governance to account and making sure the voices of all our burdens are heard in their legislature this isn't just a victory for the UCP last night's results mean the federal Conservatives won themselves another ally in the fight against the national carbon tax a block of opposition that now represents more than half the country's population any moment premier designate Jason Kenney is expected to speak and we'll take that live and bring that to you of course as soon as it happens but first we want to get reaction to the big vote in Calgary we are joined I think he's ready yet William Macbeth is their principal with Canadians for democracy and prosperity in Edmonton and Cheryl Oates a senior advisor for NDP leader Rachel Notley and next to her Najib jet a political strategist with state craft partners hi everybody it's very nice to see you I appreciate your time today about not just about 24 hours after the big vote will you I've got to start with you Jason Kenney of course came away with a big win last night let's just go around I want to get everyone's initial reaction to the outcome well I think it's it's you know overstate how big of a change this actually was the New Democrats went in with a strong majority government and they were relegated to opposition I think the other big story though from election night has to be the sheer size of voter turnout we're looking at about 70% of eligible voters voting and that sends the message that Albertans clearly wanted to change that they overwhelmingly want to change and they saw that Jason Kenney was the change that they wanted for our province what about you Cheryl was there I mean I know in the moments leading up to to the night there's obviously a lot of hope the polls had been pointing in this direction was there any surprise on your part well among all of our staff and our candidates the feeling today is just intense pride for the campaign that we've run for the volunteers that we had here in our headquarters in Edmonton as well as in Calgary and across the province and for the candidates who put their name on the ballot whether they were successful or whether they weren't we are incredibly proud of the campaign that we've run and today in this province the NDP the party itself and the movement is stronger than it ever has been okay I take your point that I remember when I worked there back in the day in 2010 there were four MLAs and a lot of people were asking yesterday does this mean it's the end of the NDP no I was saying well compared to that and this is this is definitely a substantial increase but it is a it is a loss it is you know you're no longer in government if you were to pinpoint something that you think went wrong what would it be you know what I there isn't it something I would put my finger on like I said we're super proud of our campaign as you know we were a really really scrappy four-person opposition and we will be a force to be reckoned with as Opposition in this legislature going forward so there's nothing in this campaign that we would change there's not a pinpoint that we would put our finger on to say that something went wrong there like I said really proud of all the work that we've done Najib if you're explaining what happened last night to people sitting outside of Alberta right now how would you explain it I would say that it's a case of authenticity and messaging I think Jason Kenney came across he knew what the message was what would appeal to the masses at this time and that's the message that he carried across the province wherever he went I think with the NDP that maybe they could have looked at the messaging a little bit and changed it up a little bit earlier than they did eased off a bit on the negative campaigning and focus a little bit the economy which is what all the polls are saying and just a reminder to our viewers if you're joining us now we're back in Ottawa but we are following the outcome of the Alberta election and we're waiting any moment for Jason Kenney to address reporters for the first time since that win last night William let me ask you about what we what we should expect from you know a quote unquote premier Kenney the rhetoric during the campaign especially directed towards Ottawa directed towards foes of the oil patch if you want to call them that was was certainly strong and pointed do you think there'll be any sort of you know calming of that after what once once mr. Kenney assumes the role you know I think Jason Kenney wanted to see Alberta chart a new course when he came to the building of pipelines and getting our natural resources to market I think the premier Notley one of the reasons why Albertans chose a new government last night was they believe that premier Notley hadn't fought hard enough hadn't done enough hadn't pushed back enough on some of these pipeline and energy related issues so I think for Jason Kenney you are going to see a different approach you're also going to see I think really quite rapid action right off the bat I think he has what should we be watching for oh well I think you know he's already talked about the fact that we are going to take a harder bargaining position with the BC government when it comes to the Trans Mountain pipeline if we continue to see opposition from the government we want to have the ability to apply pressure in a very real way and that's the so-called turn off the taps legislation you're gonna see the repeal of the carbon tax we were told time and time again that carbon tax would get us a pipeline built the fact is it didn't so I think that's another thing you're going to see right off the bat and I also think you're going to see try what Jason's talked about that a partnership with First Nations communities who want to see energy development getting that going because there are a lot of First Nations groups right across Alberta and in British Columbia who do support energy development and we want to work with them in order to get our resources to to foreign markets Cheryl what do you think of that that contention that that premier Notley didn't fight hard enough I think that premier Notley fought every single day for jobs and for pipelines it's a very different approach though she she did it in a way that was a lined with the facts and aligned with the outcomes that were possible and she aligned it with a way that actually did get results and no question Alberta has gone through a tough tough economic downturn largely in part the international price of oil dropping in an unprecedented way but we have been there every step of the way and you heard her on every single day of this campaign talk about jobs talk about diversification talk about the economy talk about getting a pipeline built and when we see the kind of things that Jason Kenney is putting on the table here the result that he's looking for he just might not be able to get like for example bill 12 is something that you know it's a bill that our government passed but we were very very strategic about bill 12 how it will be deployed and when it will be proclaimed and grandstanding and deploying the weapon on the launching pad is not going to make any difference in terms of the pressure that might come from British Columbia Najeeb if the if the NDP if that was Rachel Notley and the NDP's message throughout the campaign there was also a corresponding message from the UCP like William said that they wanted to achieve the same things but via different means or a different approach why do you think or do you think one to what degree did one resonate over the other and why well I think one resonate with over the other because there is like a singular focus on it by mr. Kenney also too sometimes you know the electorate just wants change for the sake of change right they I think in their feeling it was that we gave the NDP a chance pipelines weren't build the economy sluggish and I mean I don't I'm not arguing that you know some of these things were way beyond the control of the NDP but you know sometimes people are just saying well let's try something else and see if we can get it done that way and mr. Kenney did a great job of having a lot of tough talk a lot of rhetoric you know he's got a big to-do list and you know sometimes it's easy to criticize from the sidelines but let's see now what happens I think I agree that he's gonna immediately repeal the carbon tax reduce corporate taxes repeal the farmers insurance these kinds of things that he's promised that he can get done quickly in his first hundred days and his summer of repeal but then the bigger more complex issues are the ones that Meyer you down right health care education these big issues that every premier realizes aren't that simple quickly can I get your your take and ajeeb on the turnout I mean it's not a final number but it looks like it's upwards of 70% which would be pretty I think the last time something even came close was 1971 if I'm if I'm correct what do you make of that number I think it shows that we haven't engaged like electorate I think that we have a province that's urbanizing quickly and I think that some of maybe the redistribution that the NDB NDP did benefited that as well but you know what I think this is a perfect case for the smaller parties including the NDP to start looking at electoral reform you know it's first-past-the-post is not the way to deal with urbanizing communities and it's also you know things like online voting I mean we showed in the advanced voting it the easier you make it for people to vote the more likely they are to come out especially if you think your target is a young urban voter you better make it easy for them William can you talk a bit about the implications here at the federal level obviously we've been talking about the rhetoric this idea of fighting much of that rhetoric was directed towards the federal government do you think what what do you think the relationship will be like we're hearing that for example there was a call between Jason Kenney and Justin Trudeau today how do you do you think that the relationship will be as fractious as it appeared to be during the campaign you know I think Albertans are really desperate to see our province turn the corner economically we have so many unemployed tens of thousands of unemployed Albertans an economy mired in in slow growth businesses closing their doors well Britons are really looking for someone who is going to really get our problems going again and that does involve maybe changing Alberta's relationship with the federal government we have seen a tremendous lack of support from the Justin Trudeau liberals when it comes to Alberta energy they have passed a series of bills that would make it virtually impossible to build new pipelines in this in the Pacific Lee bill c69 because that's just exactly bill C 69 and C 48 which directly target Alberta's energy sector that's the only reason that these pieces of legislation have come forward you're seeing some liberals say now try and backtrack on it but the fact is while these pieces of legislation were going through the House of Commons these hurtful pieces of legislation Rachel Notley really didn't protest at the at the early stages when we may have been able to get them changed or stops didn't go before the Senate a number I remember interviewing her when she was here fighting fighting bill C 69 and wrote I think during the campaign she was fighting the – right absolutely but that was when there before the Senate these bills originated in the Commons and that meant there was an entire political process that could have been brought into action had the government of Alberta been focused on trying to protect Alberta's most important sectors and I think one of the reasons why Albertans voted for change in such overwhelming numbers is they said we want a government that will stand up for our energy sector and push back against a federal government that has frankly been a threat to our most important industry do you think Sheryl that the the federal government was a threat to the oil patch I think that there was some serious and credible concerns with the legislation that William just raised in C 69 and C 48 and we did I mean since those since those bills came into the House of Commons we have in many different mediums talked about the issues that they would cause for Alberta and Alberta's industry and although all of it was it as public we have fought every step of the way for Alberta's industry and you saw it in the end when we had an opportunity to speak before the Senate committee like I appreciate that mr. Kenney would like to refight the battles that he lost on the federal stage but Alberta government can only do so much and we cannot wait we need to talk about outcomes rather than Twitter and grandstanding tactics and not everything that they're proposing will have good outcomes for our bird jobs and operative workers Najib final word to you what do you think the relationship between the Alberta government and the federal government is gonna be like so we have a premier designate that spent time in federal politics he was a minister he knows how it works you know he heard a speech yesterday it sounded awfully a lot like a federal election campaign speech and I think what he's doing is he's setting himself up as a proxy in the case of Andrew Shearer government in the fall I think he's going to continue the tough talk because he knows that works with the with the electorate and with the voters but you know he knows that behind closed doors in the meantime he has to work with the government that we have which is a federal Liberal government Alberta's heated election ended with a historic result last night Rachel Notley Sen DP government became the first one-term government in the provinces history replacing her Jason Kenney and the United Conservative Party what was their path to victory and did the polls predict this kind of landslide victory to dig into the results i'm joined by CBC polls analyst Eric Gagne hired great to see you once again this campaign soap breakdown what happened last night well as you said the UCP did win and unseated the NDP first first term government because they've only been a few governments in Alberta's history but let's look at the numbers overall what happened in that race so the UCP had a pretty big significant victory of 55 percent of the vote the NDP was at 32 percent which is still the second-best they've ever done in their history it's just kind of a disappointing second place a second result for them the Alberta party at 9% the Liberals only 1% and the seats right now it's 63 to 24 I were still waiting for some of those votes to be counted those vote anywhere ballots so it might not be until later this week until we know the final final numbers but right now that's what it looks like and it's a big win for the UCP and what about what was what was the path to victory for them and we had talked about it we had talked about Calgary their vote efficiency which clearly was was there what what ended up happening it was really the same path that the PCs always had when the outlying regions of the the province rural areas the small cities and Wynn Calgary those two regions enough were were there to give them a majority government didn't need to win a single seat in Edmonton to get that majority let's look at the breakdown regionally which kind of paints a portrait of why the UCP was able to win this kind of victory they won in Calgary very handily 55% to 32% more or less replicating the province as a whole in the rest of Alberta outside Edmonton Calgary they had a big big win there 67 to 21% they just all more or less swept the region the only seat the any P one was in Lethbridge but in Edmonton the NDP still held on to their vote they had 47% they beat the UCP and 120 seats in the Greater Edmonton area so most of their seats did come from Edmonton as was expected you can see though that it was really Calgary and the rest of Alberta that delivered the UCP that majority government you were obviously tracking the polls throughout the entire campaign how did the actual results stack Upton it looks by my guess it looks like they were kind of under under estimating a bit of the popular vote but the seat seemed bang on yeah that's exactly it so for a lot of people I don't think there are a lot of surprises because the polls were projecting that the USP would win a majority government would win in Calgary would win in the rural areas so the overall picture is more or less what the polls are showing but the actual results were not that close because going into Election Day the polls were suggesting a gap of about 10 to 11 points between the UCP and the NDP in the end they used to be won by 23 so that is not a very good result if it had gone the other way the NDP might have actually won so when you're talking about that kind of error it can have a big impact what seems to be behind it first of all we'll have to see what those final results will be by the end of the week maybe the those advanced votes are gonna go one way or another so we don't know exactly how big that error will be but it also seemed to be in places that didn't really change the seat portrait so you're looking at when you look those the rest of Alberta numbers it was not supposed to be that was the biggest swing about a 20-point swing between where the poles were and where the actual results were so it does seem like they patted their lead there and that was one of the reasons why we saw that the UCP had a bigger popular vote victory than the polls were suggesting would be the case you mentioned those advance vote numbers which won't be tallied really for a final count until the end of the week still it looks like that the turnout for this election could be close to 70% which is one of the highest turnouts in Alberta in decades in fact Alberta's kind of known for low voter turnout how significant do you think that was I think it's very significant it suggests that this was seen as an important election as as a more competitive election and there's been in Alberta for a while which is maybe why turnout has historically been so low and historically as well when turnout has been higher it's been bad for the incumbent government that there's a desire for change and it does seem when you see the results that that was the case here that a lot of people wanted to go out and vote out the NDP government and that's what helped the UCP win a bigger bigger victory than someone suggested but still that victory that that we were expecting going into election day alright Eric thank you very much and thanks for all your analysis during the campaign as well appreciate it CBC's polls analyst Eric Grenier now let me thank the growing alliance of provincial governments who are champions of jobs pipelines and our resources thank you especially to my friends premiers Moe of Saskatchewan Callister Callister of manitoba Ford of Ontario Higgs of New Brunswick and the cloud of the Northwest Territories are I look forward to deepening our work together to create jobs and shared prosperity incoming Alberta premier Jason Kenney giving shoutouts there to his conservative premier counterparts it was just one part of a rousing victory speech last night that recycled many of his campaign promises a vow to fight what he calls anti oil elements to fight the feds on carbon taxes and to quote stand up for Alberta and as we heard off the top of the show he's already shifting out of first gear hoping to convene the legislature in the third week of May the swearing-in will occur on April 30th so what does the victory mean for Albertans and what will it mean for the rest of Canada it's time for the power panel in Calgary journalist Jen Gerson Amanda Alvaro of pomp and circumstance is in Toronto in st. John's seumas strategies Tim powers and here with me in studio Kathleen monk of the earth lifts strategy group hi everybody hi nice to see Jen I've got to start with you cuz you're right there in Alberta what do you think people should take away from last night's results in the rest of Canada that Alberta is very keen for a fight they're spoiling for a fight that that I think would be the takeaway from from that very clearly that Jason Kenny's tone and and popo's and rhetoric is exactly what I think a lot of our burdens have been looking for from their government after 10 years of feeling as if they're kind of the heel of the rest of Canada so I mean that's that's the sentiment certainly that you get from that speech and you know given what we potentially record high turnout and the high popular vote I think it's a pretty overwhelming mandate to that end and what does that mean Kathleen do you think I mean he mentioned off the top there other conservative premiers that they're there they're definitely coalescing around a message right yeah for sure it's like growing conservative caucus in terms of the premiers that are literally working in a coordinated fashion both in the media and in the courts against Trudeau so the question is is that a good thing for Trudeau is it a bad thing and also is it a good thing for Shearer or is it a bad thing because well in some ways Shearer is going to benefit from the fact that these conservative premiers are out there putting body blows into into Trudeau almost daily it seems the question is does it's almost make sure seem weak because clearly it looks like Jason Kenney is taking the mantle of the conservative leader nationally he is that voice he's got the pick although everyone was saying that about Doug Ford a few months or six months ago yeah so if it's between Ford forward and and Kenny Kenny is the one with the national experience and I think we'll probably outperform on on the federal stage what do you think Tim is that fair assessment look I think Jason Kenny as Kathleen said does present opportunities for Andrew Shearer if people do align and some challenges and it wasn't candy you rate this raise the point that Doug Ford earlier was a big voice on the stage but I think the opportunity there for Andrew Sears to be slightly different than those two bigger personalities and he is we have certainly seen before when there have been conservative prime ministers who've been able to coexist with strong conservative premiers you only need look at Brian Mulroney and Bill Davis admittedly that's that's a while ago but nonetheless it's worked before I think where Andrew Shearer will find some positive is is is in the messages that Kenny and and premier Ford have used around the economy and trying to simplify the bargain they're trying to make with taxpayers to get their support that that that is where there will be some kinship but if there's gonna be some stick handling there's no doubt about that because there's going to come a point I suspect when Andrew Shearer is also going to have to step up and challenge some of these conservative premiers the last thing I'd say really interesting to hear can he use the word alliance and the fact that he is positioning himself to be the leader of that alliance it's not often that all of the conservative leaders in Canada are as aligned as they currently appear to be so you might have this unique function of having an aligned series of conservative premiers the Prime Minister and then Andrew Shearer who has to dip in and out from time to time so what does that mean Amanda like like Kathleen raises the question is that a good thing or a bad thing or is it somewhere in the middle for the prime minister and for federal liberals well I think it presents an opportunity for the prime minister to kind of coalesce and unite that progressive vote against this right-wing populist that seems to be sweeping the country I too found it interesting both in the remarks last night Kenny's remarks last night where he was echoing a lot of the messages that we've seen elsewhere in the country like open for business like these messages as if they're being written by one conservative playbook and then piecemeal doubt across the country and then today to use to actually use the term Alliance could set up a really nice dichotomy for the prime minister because it allows him to kind of Zig while they zag or zag well they zig and carve out a different type of message the challenge for the liberals will be you know can they supersede the NDP on that front can they shore up sort of a progressive movement of people who are not going to buy into things like buck a beer and tailgate parties Ontarians in particular who I think are feeling the the cuts cuts to education cuts to health care who may be questioning why it was that they they made that conservative vote in the first place so while we might expect it in Alberta we certainly didn't expect it in Ontario and I think that there's some wiggle room there to bring people back over to the progressive movement with the right kind of messaging but Vashi can I just pick up on something Amanda said because I think we're seeing this emerge a little bit we've heard some of the victories being described that conservative premiers have had as right-wing populism I think Jen would give me that when you get 55% of the vote in Alberta that is in right-wing populism and I think the Liberals have to be careful using that term too because it can backfire on the blame gigs winning in New Brunswick was not right-wing populism it was dissatisfaction to a large degree and if the Liberals misdiagnosed that that Creek creates an opportunity for Shearer because I think he at least realizes he's not making a populist appeal that's Maxine Bernie's I would I would actually respond to that that it sort of depends on what you mean by populism yeah you know that that's that's what I say I actually probably would classify this as white right-wing populism because I don't think of populist as being all trite or fringe necessarily it just to me means a of dissatisfaction or overthrow the prevailing elites or rebellion against the prevailing elites like it's that kind of a movement and you know you can have left wing populism and you can have right wing populism and I think that definitely what Kenny was tapping into very effectively obviously was that exact discontentment that anger and that right wing populism and I think a lot of that discontentment is rooted in very legitimate grievances but you know I don't I'm coming away from this election with a couple of takeaways one is it's very clear to me that conservatives across this country have the momentum and that we're going to be going into a federal election in which the main messaging coming out of the Liberals right now is we're gonna raise your taxes with the carbon tax and the the conservatives are scary far-right you know all right crazy people and if that if this one election should be a lesson to the out to those to the federal liberals it's that those message that message does not actually work it doesn't actually plan as well as they think it does do you think that's true I think that there should be some more analysis in the days of been thinking a lot about this over lunch and as I mourned today the crew t-shirt on earlier but I thought I'd take it offer but I do think that there should be some analysis about whether those there's more you know right-wing messages like John was just saying that they're extremists that they're fringe might not work and that we need to kind of go back to the hierarchy of people's needs and talk about like I think both New Democrats will have more and liberals for that matter will have more success as they speak to the economic anxiety that the people who are they made a mistake in this campaign not switching to that I think that this was the most successful new Democratic campaign that has ever been run period across the country and I compare except for 2015 no I know I even compare that with 2011 like I mean the win which I was involved in I was involved in with 2015 but but in terms of it was flawless they had no unforced errors they they didn't lose any candidates in fact they took down many candidates of the opposing team this you have to remember that this government in the last four years precipitous drop in oil thousands historic job losses such churn the Fort Mac fires you name it right and they and they still really held on to a significant number of seats we have to look now basically in Ontario and westward either New Democrats our government as they are NBC or they are the leading opposition in all of those provinces I think you're and I know it is especially heard about ice point I feel like I feel like people would be a little bit it's a heart a little bit hard to swallow that's right they lost but what have they done in terms of course just look at where they were prior to the election look at how they closed how they actually closed the gap to what the prediction one honey himself Jason Kim said I am going to change the map in Edmonton I'm going to sweep Edmonton sorry Jason where are those seats like this but if you want me to look at the bright lights these are these are them he didn't make those inroads and in fact the New Democrats were able to change the campaign narrative to one of trust and leadership no they went around values they completely failed to do that know the economy and the anxiety and I led with that Jen but the thing is if you look where they were in the polls prior to this campaign and how they closed the gap within the the campaign window all the trend lines show that they shorten that distance and they actually held on to many more seats as a result ok Jen's turn yeah Kathleen I would agree with you on a couple of basic fundamental points here and that is the economics being what they were and the electoral math being what it was the odds of and just the lead that UCP came into this collection with we're so extraordinary that you know not only what was it what it had to have been a flawless campaign it would have had to have been a perfect campaign for them to have won I mean this was a massive uphill battle and there probably wasn't much they could do that being said the idea that this was the best NDP campaign in Canadian history I would take pretty considerable issue with that I think that the NDP fundamentally failed to appeal to centrist voters I think they fundamentally failed in their messaging about their economic plan and I think that they massively over relied on bozo eruptions they massively over relied on this idea that if we can just paint the other guys as racists and bigots that that that will just take care of the rest of it um and all obviously obviously just judging by the turnout the organization of this party had failed so like I actually think that you're quite right in that how can you see the organization for the in terms of door knocks they doubled it because they lost some money dramatically I mean there's a party that prior to never finish let her finish it's my turn to please please let me finish I would say I agree with you that they're in actually a very very strong position I mean if they had they had gotten this result four years ago they would be ecstatic they broke out of Edmonton they've made some headway in places like Calgary and Lethbridge and they are in a really really strong place to build from where they are but if they don't realize that this was a setback and that they have considerable building to do then they are never gonna get to the place where they can be a competitive progressive oh very quick point Kathleen I have to take over of course they realise it was a setback there are no longer government that said if we have to find what the benefits were like listen they have cabinet ministers who are now gonna be opposition who are gonna be able to hold Kenny to account on education on finance on health on justice and they will be able to know and to prevent him as best much as they can from rolling back the things that Albertans actually want things like reducing child poverty by half things like diversifying the economy which hasn't been done after four decades of conservative rule leading up to 2015 this is significant it's not a win I agree I'm not I got rose-colored glasses on her orange for that matter I know they didn't win last night but I still think there are good things about this campaign