Why are some states canceling their GOP primaries and caucuses?


-The three people
are a total joke. They’re a joke. They’re a laughingstock. -Some Republican Party
state officials are canceling GOP primaries and caucuses
for the 2020 election. So far, Nevada, South Carolina,
Arizona, and Kansas have nixed plans
to hold these events. This means that residents
of these states will not have the option
to vote for President Trump’s Republican
primary challengers, Joe Walsh, Mark Sanford,
and Bill Weld. This is especially significant
in South Carolina and Nevada, two of the earliest
voting states in the primary
election cycle. Winning primaries
and caucuses here is key for any candidate seeking
their party’s nomination. -I would say this —
they’re all at less than 1%. I guess it’s a publicity stunt. -While the move clearly benefits
Trump by eliminating his competitors
from these early ballots, canceling primary elections
is actually common. The decision to hold a primary
or caucus is ultimately left up to the
party officials in that state. There are several instances
of state party leadership making the decision to forego
their nominating contests during a sitting
incumbent’s reelection year. This happened in 1992
during President George H. W.
Bush’s reelection bid. Eight states canceled
the Republican primaries and caucuses. His son, who faced
no major challengers, received the same treatment during his reelection
campaign in 2004, when 10 states canceled
their primaries. And it happens on both sides
of the aisle. When President Barack Obama
ran for a second term in 2012, 10 states canceled Democratic
primaries and caucuses. As for the 2020 primary season,
President Trump has said that canceling these elections
will save states money. -And those four states
don’t want to waste their money. Having primary campaigns and having a primary election
is very expensive. -His primary opponents
see it differently. -South Carolina, Arizona,
Nevada, and Kansas. I mean, think about this,
Anderson. They are denying Americans
the right to vote. -The odds of these candidates securing the 2020
Republican nomination are slim, and without primaries
or caucuses in key states, they’re looking at even
more of an uphill battle.

Mark Sanford announces primary challenge to Trump


♪ ♪>>Chris: FORMER SOUTH CAROLINA GOVERNOR AND CONGRESSMAN MARK SANFORD ADMITS A PRIMARY CHALLENGE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP WOULD BE A “DAVID VERSUS GOLIATH MOMENT” BUT HE’S THINKING ABOUT IT. GOVERNOR SANFORD JOINS US EXCLUSIVELY HERE IN WASHINGTON AND WELCOME BACK TO “FOX NEWS SUNDAY.”>>Governor Sanford: MY PLEASURE.>>Chris: IT YOU ANNOUNCED IN JULY THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES AGAINST DONALD TRUMP. HE VISITED EARLY VOTING STATES LIKE NEW HAMPSHIRE AND IOWA. HAVE YOU MADE A DECISION? ARE YOU GOING TO ENTER THE RACE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP?>>Governor Sanford: I HAVE. I PLANNED TO ANNOUNCE THAT BACK HOME THIS WEEK. WE HAD A HURRICANE COME VISIT US ON THE COAST OF SOUTH CAROLINA SO THAT SORT OF DISRUPTED PLANS ON BUT I AM TELLING YOU KNOW I AM GOING TO GET IN.>>Chris: YOU’RE GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT AGAINST DONALD TRUMP IN THE PRIMARIES?>>Governor Sanford: I AM.>>Chris: WHY?>>Governor Sanford: BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A REPUBLICAN. I THINK IS A REPUBLICAN PARTY WE HAVE LOST OUR WAY AND I SAY SO ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FRONTS. I SAY FIRST AND SORT OF THE EPICENTER OF WHERE I’M COMING FROM IS THAT WE HAVE LOST OUR WAY ON DEBT AND DEFICIT SPENDING. ONE OF THE HALLMARKS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN HOW MUCH DO WE SPEND. THE ULTIMATE MEASURE OF GOVERNMENT IS HOW MUCH IT SPEND SPENDS. I THINK AS A PARTY WE’VE LOST OUR WAY. THE PRESIDENT HAS CALLED HIMSELF THE KING OF DEBT. A FAMILIARITY AND COMFORTABLE WITH DEBT THAT I THINK IS ULTIMATELY LEADING US IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. WE CAN GET INTO THOSE NUMBERS BUT THE NUMBERS ARE ASTOUNDING. JUST TAKE FOR INSTANCE HAS A DATA POINT THIS LAST DEAL THAT ADDS TO TRILLIONS R ADDS TO TRILLIONS L ADDS TO TRILLIONS I ADDS TO TRILLIONS N ADDS TO TRILLIONS E ADDS TO TRILLIONS T ADDS TO TRILLIONS . A THIRD OF A TRILLION DOLLARS IN NEW SPENDING AND REALLY THERE WASN’T CONVERSATION ON. I’D SAY THE EPICENTER IS WITH GOD TO HAVE NATIONAL CONVERSATION AND REPUBLICAN CONVERSATION ON WHERE ARE WE GOING.>>Chris: I GUESS HERE’S THE QUESTION –>>Governor Sanford: I WILL COME IN WITH SOME OTHERS.>>Chris: YOU GOT TO KNOW YOU BASICALLY HAVE NO CHANCE OF WINNING THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION, SO WHY RUN FOR PRESIDENT?>>Governor Sanford: I THINK HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SAID THAT THING TO DONALD TRUMP JUST A MATTER OF MONTHS AGO AS HE FACED THE LIKES OF JEB BUSH AND OTHERS.>>Chris: YOU WANT TO THINK OF A SERIOUS CHANCE?>>Governor Sanford: I’M SAYING YOU NEVER KNOW. I HAVE LISTED MY GOALS, MY PRIMARY GOALS TO SAY LET’S GO OUT AND FORCE AND TRY AND CREATE A CONVERSATION ON THAT WHICH IS NOT BEING TALKED ABOUT IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL CYCLE. ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS WE HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE A NATIONAL DEBATE ON WHERE WE’RE GOING NEXT. REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS AND AS AMERICANS AND THE THING THAT HAS BEEN LACKING IN THIS DEBATE HAS BEEN AN EARNEST AND REAL CONVERSATION ON DEBT AND DEFICIT AND GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND I FIND IT ASTOUNDING TO WATCH THE NUMBER OF DEMOCRATIC DEBATES THAT I’VE SEEN AND NO MENTION, NO CONVERSATION ON WHERE WE ARE GOING WITH REGARD TO DEBT AND ITS IMPLICATIONS FOR EVERYONE OF US.>>Chris: YOUR TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS A LONG SHOT FOUR YEARS AGO. FIRST OF ALL HE WASN’T RUNNING AGAINST AN INCUMBENT PRESIDENT OF HIS OWN PARTY. SECONDLY, LET’S LOOK AT SOME OF THE OBSTACLES THAT YOU FACED BECAUSE THERE ARE SIGNS — 85% APPROVE OF THE JOB THE PRESIDENT IS DOING SO HE’S GOT SUPPORT IN HIS OWN PARTY. A NUMBER OF STATES, INCLUDING HER HOME STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA JUST YESTERDAY HAVE DECIDED NOT TO HOLD PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARIES AT ALL AND THEY ARE HAS DONE AWAY WITH ITS COMMITTEE TO SET UP DEBATES. SO HOW DO YOU GET YOUR MESSAGE OUT — HOW DO YOU EVEN GET ON THE PLAYING FIELD WITH THE PRESIDENT TO HAVE THIS DEBATE?>>Governor Sanford: OR TALK ABOUT IT NOW, TALK ABOUT NATIONAL TELEVISION AND I’VE BEEN TALKING ON A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT OUTLOOKS OVER THE LAST MONTH OF I AS I’VE ENTERTAINED MONTH OF I AS I’VE ENTERTAINET MONTH OF I AS I’VE ENTERTAINEE IDEA. IT WOULD BE TO GO AND SPEND SERIOUS TIME IN NEW HAMPSHIRE AND IOWA AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER STATES. AGAIN, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A LONG WALK BUT IT BEGINS WITH THAT FIRST UP AND THAT’S WHAT I’M ANNOUNCING HERE TODAY. I WOULD ALSO SAY THIS, IT’S NOT JUST DEBT AND SPENDING, WHICH IS AGAIN MY PRIMARY FOCUS. THE FACT THAT WE ARE WALKING OUR WAY TOWARDS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL STORM I BELIEVE IN OUR COUNTRY SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION. THAT’S WHAT WE ARE WALKING TOWARD AND I THINK WE NEED TO, AGAIN, TO HAVE A REAL CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE AMERICAN DREAM AND WHAT THAT MEANS IN OUR ABILITY TO ACHIEVE A JOB, WEALTH, AND ALL THOSE THINGS TO GO WITH THE AMERICAN DREAM. AT WHAT I WOULD ALSO SAY IS WE WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION ON WHERE WE GOING ON TRADE, PROTECTIONISM, TURNING INWARD VERSUS OUTWARD. ONE OF THE HALLMARKS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A FOCUS ON THE WORLD AT LARGE AND THE RECOGNITION OF THE FACT THAT THOUGH WE WERE NOT ULTIMATELY IS A POPULATION THE BIG PLAYER IN THE WORLD, ECONOMICALLY WE WERE BECAUSE WE ENGAGED WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRUMP TARIFFS, YOU’RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER HOUSEHOLD. “THE WALL STREET JOURNAL” HAD AN ARTICLE JUST YESTERDAY TALKING ABOUT YOU’RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A ONE POINT DETERIORATION IN THE RATE OF GROWTH GOING FORWARD. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION THERE. THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ON THE DEGREE TO WHICH INSTITUTIONS AND POLITICAL CULTURE ARE BEING DAMAGED BY THIS PRESIDENT. IN THOSE INSTITUTIONS AND THE POLITICAL CULTURE IS REALLY THE GLUE THAT HOLDS TOGETHER OUR BALANCE OF POWER. AND FINALLY I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ON HUMILITY AND ONE’S APPROACH TO POLITICS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, A TWEET IS INTERESTING, MAY BE NEWSWORTHY, BUT IT’S NOT LEADERSHIP AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO SOLVE SOME OF THE PROFOUND PROBLEMS WE HAVE AS AMERICANS BY TWEET.>>Chris: IT YOU’RE IN THE RACE NOW. YOU’RE GOING TO GET ASKED TOUGH QUESTIONS, LET ME ASK YOU THE MOST OBVIOUS ONE. I THINK IT’S FAIR TO SAY, THAT YOUR BEST KNOWN AROUND THE COUNTRY AS THE GOVERNOR WHO DISAPPEARED FOR A WEEK IN 2009. YOUR AIDES SAID YOU WERE HIKING THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL. IN FACT YOU WERE A MARRIED GOVERNOR IN ARGENTINA WITH YOUR THEN-GIRLFRIEND. QUESTION, ISN’T THAT GOING TO BE A DEAL BREAKER FOR A LOT OF VOTERS?>>Governor Sanford: AGAIN, I ACTUALLY WENT ON AN APOLOGY TO HER, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT, BACK HOME IN THE WAKE OF THAT IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OF MY GOVERNORSHIP. AND WHAT I LEARNED THROUGH THAT IS I GUESS WHAT GENERAL MATTIS TALKS ABOUT, MISTAKES IN LIFE, MISTAKES THAT WE MAKE, OF THE GREAT TUITIONS OF LIFE. THEY COST US, BUT YOU CAN LEARN FROM THEM AND FOR ME, I LEARNED A LEVEL OF HUMILITY, A LEVEL OF EMPATHY THAT I DIDN’T HAVE BEFORE, A LEVEL OF JUDGMENT. IT IS SOMETHING OF GREAT REGRET, IT IS SOMETHING I HAVE APOLOGIZED EXTENSIVELY FOR AND IN CONTRAST TO THE PRESIDENT WHEN HE SAYS THERE’S NOT A SINGLE THING THAT HE REGRETS OR APOLOGIZES FOR, I PROFOUNDLY APOLOGIZE FOR THAT AND I BELIEVE IN THE CHRISTIAN MODEL OF REPENTANCE AND RENEWAL AND A SECOND CHANCE AND WHAT’S BEEN INTERESTING IN THE WAKE OF ALL THAT — THIS IS TEN YEARS AGO — IS THAT SUBSEQUENT TO THAT THE FOLKS WHO KNEW ME BEST BACK HOME SAID LOOK, WE DON’T APPROVE OF THAT CHAPTER OF YOUR LIFE OR HOW YOU HANDLED IT BUT WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU A SECOND CHANCE WE ARE GOING TO SEND YOU TO CONGRESS WHICH I DID FOR THE FOLLOWING SIX YEARS.>>Chris: AT YOU ON THE PRESIDENT HAVE SOME HISTORY JUST IN 2018 YOU WERE RUNNING FOR REELECTION AGAINST A WOMAN — AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE ON ELECTION DAY THE PRESIDENT ENDORSED HER OVER YOU AND YOU GUYS HADN’T GOTTEN ALONG FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME AND AFTER YOU LOST IN THE PRIMARY, HE LAUGHED ABOUT IT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. HERE HE IS.>>SHE BEATS A MAN THAT LIKES FLAMINGO DANCERS FROM ARGENTINA. YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE VACATIONING ON THE TALLAHASSEE TRAIL, BUT HE WAS ACTUALLY IN ARGENTINA. I DON’T KNOW, DO THEY HAVE A TALLAHASSEE TRAIL IN ARGENTINA? I DON’T THINK. NO, RIGHT?>>Chris: HOW MUCH OF THIS IS PERSONAL?>>Governor Sanford: NONE. IF YOU LOOK AT MY 25 YEARS IN POLITICS, WHICH YOU FIND IS AN ABSOLUTE FOCUS — MOST FINANCIALLY CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT IN THE UNITED STATES AMERICA ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES HAVE SEEN HOW CONSISTENTLY I TALK ABOUT THIS. WE ARE NEARING A TIPPING POINT. MY’S GRANDKIDS — IT’S NOT PERSONAL BUT IT IS INDICATIVE OF THE WHERE THE PRESIDENT MAKES TOO MANY THINGS PERSONAL. THINK OF THIS, MY VOTING RECORD WAS MORE THAN 90% WITH THE PRESIDENT. 90%. I LOVE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS, BUT I DON’T AGREE WITH THEM 90% AND YET WE GET ALONG JUST FINE. BUT THAT’S NOT THE WORLD OF TRUMP. THE WORLD OF TRUMP’S PERSONAL LOYALTY AND I BELIEVE AS A CONSERVATIVE OR LOYALTY IS TO BE TWO IDEALS AND IDEAS AND WE AGREED ON 90% — A HANDFUL OF THINGS AND THEREFORE IT’S NOT GOOD ENOUGH. THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT.>>Chris: LESS THAN A MINUTE LEFT AND I WANT TO JUST PICK UP ON THAT BECAUSE YOU POINT OUT THAT THE G.O.P., THE PRESIDENT HAS MOVED THE G.O.P. AWAY FROM TRADITIONAL VALUES LIKE THE DEFICITS AND FREE-TRADE AND AMERICA’S ROLE IN THE WORLD. HOW — IN A MINUTE, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY’S ALLEGIANCE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP DESPITE ALL THIS?>>Governor Sanford: AGAIN, IF THE EXACT THING THAT GOT HIM ELECTED. PEOPLE LOOK AT HILLARY CLINTON VERSUS DONALD TRUMP AND SAID OKAY, I MAY NOT LIKE SOME OF WHAT HE DOES OR SOME OF HOW HE HANDLES THINGS, BUT I WILL PICK HIM OVER HER. THEY HAVEN’T HAD A CHOICE AND THAT’S WHY I’M RUNNING. I THINK THAT AMERICANS DESERVE A CHOICE THAT HAS HAD A REAL EXECUTIVE BRANCH EXPERIENCE, WHICH I HAD OVER TWO TERMS AS GOVERNOR, REAL LEGISLATIVE EXPERIENCE, WHAT I HAD OVER 12 YEARS IN THE U.S. CONGRESS. AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THOSE POLLS, ABOUT HALF OF THEM SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PRESIDENT — WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CONVERSATION WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.>>Chris: AND NOW YOU’RE GOING TO PROVIDE IT.

Trump calls out GOP challenger’s past affair. See his response.


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States CANCELLING Republican Primaries to Protect Trump


every time we’ve talked about primary challenges
to Donald Trump in 2020 I’ve been super clear that those challenges are not going to succeed
in the sense of Donald Trump is going to be the Republican nominee unless he bails out. But I have said that the primary challenges
could still damage Trump and even a point or two taken from Trump in some states is
all it would take for an independent, uh, a Republican primary challenger who chooses
to run as an independent in November of 2020 to take a state or two from Donald Trump and
push it towards the Democratic challenger. And that could actually turn the election. Now, clearly the democratic, I’m sorry, the
Republican Party is worried about this because they’ve now started canceling primaries and
caucuses to protect Donald Trump and to prevent anyone from getting any attention or momentum. Now, Trump loyalists have gotten into the
system in South Carolina and Nevada, Arizona and Kansas at minimum. And they are moving forward on canceling primaries
altogether, which is not very democratic. Wouldn’t the right thing to do be to let the
primaries happen. Let Republican voters confirm that they want
Trump to be their nominee. Trump says he is 94% support from the Republicans. That’s not true. It’s more like 80% but 80% is still more than
enough to win primaries except that that other 20% might be invigorated by those primaries
and vote for those primary challengers in November if they run as independent or as
right in candidates in a way that it could threaten Donald Trump in the general. Now the Trump team is saying this is totally
normal. This is fine. There are many other examples in history when
primaries have been canceled, when there been an incumbent president up for reelection,
but that is extremely deceptive because the primaries that were previously canceled were
almost exclusively canceled because there were no challengers, so there was no point
in having the primary when only the incumbent is interested in running. This is a very different situation where you
have multiple primary challengers, Joe Walsh, William Weld. There’s a third one that now I’m forgetting. Uh, and one fifth of Republican’s disapprove
of Donald Trump. So this is a very different scenario. Now a somewhat asked Donald Trump on Monday,
would he participate in debates against these challengers? And he said, quote, I don’t know them. I would say this, they are all at less than
1% I guess it’s a publicity stunt. We just got a little while ago a poll showing
94% popularity or approval within the Republican Party. So to be honest, I’m not looking to get them
any credibility. They have no credibility. Now again, Trump’s wrong. It’s about 80% of Republicans that approve
of the job he’s doing, not 94%, but this is how they win. They cancel primaries, they Gerrymander, they
suppress votes by closing down polling places and purging voter rolls. They have no interest in genuinely protecting
our election systems from foreign interference. And they even welcome it. And then they blame Democrats of doing all
the same things and they spend millions on real witch hunts, like the election integrity
commission or whatever it was that it was called, which found nothing. They’ve been cheating to win for years. It is not going to stop for sure unless Donald
Trump has removed because we’ll have a census in 2020, which will then be used by these
same republicans to make it even worse and then it’ll get even uglier. And I forgot to mention, by the way, gaslighting
constantly by demonizing those evil undocumented immigrants too, it’s important not to forget
that since that’s a key part of their strategy, they say that they’re all for freedom and
democracy as long as it’s their candidate in the way that they want it and the people
voting that they want to see voting period. Otherwise Freedom and democracy always take
a back seat to morality or simplicity or expediency or whatever they can site at the time to justify
their behavior. And we are seeing it again as the primaries
that Republicans should be holding are getting canceled, uh, in growing numbers, which we
will continue to track. Not Surprising, not surprising, but important
to understand that this is happening.

WATCH: Sanford Responds For First Time On-Air Since Trump’s Twitter Attack | Craig Melvin | MSNBC


BUT WE START WITH THE PRESIDENT
ATTACKING THE LATEST RIVAL FROM ATTACKING THE LATEST RIVAL FROM
HIS OWN PARTY READY TO CHALLENGE HIS OWN PARTY READY TO CHALLENGE
HIM FOR THE WHITE HOUSE IN 2020. HIM FOR THE WHITE HOUSE IN 2020.
FORMER SOUTH CAROLINA GOVERNOR FORMER SOUTH CAROLINA GOVERNOR
AND CONGRESSMAN MARK SANFORD, AND CONGRESSMAN MARK SANFORD,
JUST ANNOUNCED THAT HE IS GOING JUST ANNOUNCED THAT HE IS GOING
TO MAKE IT OFFICIAL. TO MAKE IT OFFICIAL.
HES GOING TO TAKE ON PRESIDENT HES GOING TO TAKE ON PRESIDENT
TRUMP. TRUMP. JUST A FEW HOURS AGO THE JUST A FEW HOURS AGO THE PRESIDENT DOING WHAT THE PRESIDENT DOING WHAT THE PRESIDENT DOES, HE TWEETED ABOUT
IT.SIDENT DOES, HE TWEETED ABOUT IT. HE CALLED OUT THE BIGGEST HE CALLED OUT THE BIGGEST SCANDAL OF SANFORDS CAREER IN SCANDAL OF SANFORDS CAREER IN PUBLIC SERVICE WHEN HE WENT MIA
AS GOVERNOR SO VISIT A WOMAN HE AS GOVERNOR SO VISIT A WOMAN HE
WAS HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH IN WAS HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH IN
ARGENTINA. ARGENTINA. HE LUMPED HIM IN WITH THE TWO
OTHERS RUNNING AGAINST HIM, AND OTHERS RUNNING AGAINST HIM, AND
CALLED THEM THE THREE STOOGES. CALLED THEM THE THREE STOOGES.
MARK SANFORD JOINS ME NOW. MARK SANFORD JOINS ME NOW.
HOW ARE YOU? HOW ARE YOU?
>>GOOD.>>GOOD.
PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU. PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU.
>>WHICH STOOGE WOULD YOU BE?>>WHICH STOOGE WOULD YOU BE?
>>I DONT KNOW.>>I DONT KNOW.
>>IF YOU MOUNT THE SERIOUS RACE>>IF YOU MOUNT THE SERIOUS RACE
AGAINST THE PRESIDENT YOU CAN AGAINST THE PRESIDENT YOU CAN
EXPECT TWEETS LIKE THESE. EXPECT TWEETS LIKE THESE.
>>CERTAINLY.>>CERTAINLY.
>>THIS IS WHAT HE DOES.>>THIS IS WHAT HE DOES.
WHATS YOUR RESPONSE? WHATS YOUR RESPONSE?
>>MY RESPONSE IS WE NEED A>>MY RESPONSE IS WE NEED A
CHANGE FROM THE WAY HES CHANGE FROM THE WAY HES
PEJORATIVE ON EVERYBODY WHATS PEJORATIVE ON EVERYBODY WHATS
WEIRD, THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A WEIRD, THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A
MOMENT, AS A REPUBLICAN, I VOTED MOMENT, AS A REPUBLICAN, I VOTED
WITH HIM 90% OF THE TIME, 90% OF WITH HIM 90% OF THE TIME, 90% OF
THE TIME, AND IN NORMAL THE TIME, AND IN NORMAL
POLITICAL CIRCLES, IN THE POLITICAL CIRCLES, IN THE
BUSINESS WORLD AND FAMILY WORLD, BUSINESS WORLD AND FAMILY WORLD,
I LOVE MY BROTHERS AND MY SISTER I LOVE MY BROTHERS AND MY SISTER
BUT IM NOT WITH THEM 90% OF THE BUT IM NOT WITH THEM 90% OF THE
TIME NOR ARE THEY WITH ME 90% OF TIME NOR ARE THEY WITH ME 90% OF
THE TIME. THE TIME. BUT PART AND PARCEL TO HUMAN
RELATIONS IS ACCEPTING THERE CAN RELATIONS IS ACCEPTING THERE CAN
BE DIFFERENCES. BE DIFFERENCES.
BUT RIGHT NOW THE SUN, MOON AND BUT RIGHT NOW THE SUN, MOON AND
STARS TOO OFTEN BASICALLY ORBIT STARS TOO OFTEN BASICALLY ORBIT
AROUND DONALD TRUMP. AROUND DONALD TRUMP.
IF ITS NOT PERSONAL ALLEGIANCE IF ITS NOT PERSONAL ALLEGIANCE
TO HIM, OR IDEA ALLEGIANCE, IF TO HIM, OR IDEA ALLEGIANCE, IF
ITS NOT PERSONAL ALLEGIANCE, ITS NOT PERSONAL ALLEGIANCE,
ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
WHAT I WOULD HOPE TO DO IS TO WHAT I WOULD HOPE TO DO IS TO
BREAK FROM WHAT HES DOING, BREAK FROM WHAT HES DOING,
WHICH IS TO CRITICIZE EVERYBODY WHICH IS TO CRITICIZE EVERYBODY
AND EVERYTHING THATS NOT WITHIN AND EVERYTHING THATS NOT WITHIN
HIS CIRCLE, AND TO GO BACK TO HIS CIRCLE, AND TO GO BACK TO
OLD STYLE POLITICS WHERE WE CAN OLD STYLE POLITICS WHERE WE CAN
AGREE TO DISAGREE ON OCCASION, AGREE TO DISAGREE ON OCCASION,
BUT AS REPUBLICANS, AS BUT AS REPUBLICANS, AS DEMOCRATS, AS INDEPENDENTS HAVE
A REAL CONVERSATION.NDENTS HAVE A REAL CONVERSATION.>>IF YOURE HAVING THAT KIND OF>>IF YOURE HAVING THAT KIND OF CONVERSATION, IF YOURE RUNNING CONVERSATION, IF YOURE RUNNING THAT KIND OF CAMPAIGN, THIS THAT KIND OF CAMPAIGN, THIS SO-CALLED OLD SCHOOL CAMPAIGN SO-CALLED OLD SCHOOL CAMPAIGN AND HES DOING WHAT HE DOES, AND HES DOING WHAT HE DOES, WHICH HAS BEEN POLITICALLY WHICH HAS BEEN POLITICALLY SUCCESSFUL FOR HIM, HOW WOULD
YOU COUNTER THAT?M, HOW WOULD YOU COUNTER THAT?
>>I WOULD CHALLENGE THAT>>I WOULD CHALLENGE THAT
ASSUMPTION THOUGH. ASSUMPTION THOUGH.
WHAT YOU SAW IN THE WHAT YOU SAW IN THE
CONGRESSIONAL ELECTIONS WAS CONGRESSIONAL ELECTIONS WAS
TRUMP FATIGUE. TRUMP FATIGUE.
I SAW A REPUBLICAN DISTRICT THAT I SAW A REPUBLICAN DISTRICT THAT
WAS REPUBLICAN FOR ABOUT 50 WAS REPUBLICAN FOR ABOUT 50
YEARS. YEARS. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 50 YEARS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 50 YEARS IT WENT DEMOCRAT BECAUSE IT WENT DEMOCRAT BECAUSE SUBURBAN WOMEN SAID NO MORE.
YOUNG MILLENNIALS SAID NO MORE. YOUNG MILLENNIALS SAID NO MORE.
AND I THINK THAT THERES BEEN AND I THINK THAT THERES BEEN
EROSION TO PEOPLES, YOU KNOW, EROSION TO PEOPLES, YOU KNOW,
TOLERANCE FOR THE WAY IN WHICH TOLERANCE FOR THE WAY IN WHICH
HES INTOLERANT TO SEEMINGLY HES INTOLERANT TO SEEMINGLY
MOST ANYBODY OUT THERE. MOST ANYBODY OUT THERE.
THINK ABOUT THIS, PAUL RYAN, A THINK ABOUT THIS, PAUL RYAN, A
LOSER, THOUGH HE ORCHESTRATED LOSER, THOUGH HE ORCHESTRATED
THE TAX PLAN PRESIDENT TRUMP THE TAX PLAN PRESIDENT TRUMP
TAKES CREDIT FOR. TAKES CREDIT FOR.
I MEAN, SOMEBODY LIKE GENERAL I MEAN, SOMEBODY LIKE GENERAL
MATTIS OR GENERAL KELLY, PEOPLE MATTIS OR GENERAL KELLY, PEOPLE
WITH DISTINGUISHED CAREERS ARE WITH DISTINGUISHED CAREERS ARE
LOSERS OUTSIDE THE TRUMP ORBIT. LOSERS OUTSIDE THE TRUMP ORBIT.
>>HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?>>HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?
>>ITS THE PERSONAL ALLEGIANCE>>ITS THE PERSONAL ALLEGIANCE
THING WERE TALKING ABOUT. THING WERE TALKING ABOUT.
>>WE COULD PLAY THIS GAME ALL>>WE COULD PLAY THIS GAME ALL
DAY, A NUMBER OF OTHERS HAVE DAY, A NUMBER OF OTHERS HAVE
DECIDED TO WORK FOR THIS DECIDED TO WORK FOR THIS
PRESIDENT AND ALL THE SUDDEN PRESIDENT AND ALL THE SUDDEN
THEY FIND THEMSELVES ON THE THEY FIND THEMSELVES ON THE
OUTS. OUTS.>>EITHER ALL IN OR –>>EITHER ALL IN OR –>>WHAT HAPPENS –>>WHAT HAPPENS –>>THATS A WHOLE DIFFERENT>>THATS A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION, YEAH. CONVERSATION, YEAH.>>WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENED>>WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENED WITH HIM? WITH HIM?>>I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IS HE>>I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IS HE SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO ME AND HE SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO ME AND HE FIGURES I DONT WANT A PRIMARY FIGURES I DONT WANT A PRIMARY CHALLENGE IF THE COST OF CHALLENGE IF THE COST OF ADMISSION, IN QUOTES, STAYING ADMISSION, IN QUOTES, STAYING RELEVANT AS HES PUT IT, IS — I RELEVANT AS HES PUT IT, IS — I WONT — GETTING INTO THAT ORBIT
OF TRUMP, WELL LEAVE IT ATORBIT OF TRUMP, WELL LEAVE IT AT
THAT, THATS WHAT ILL DO AND THAT, THATS WHAT ILL DO AND
THATS WHAT HES DONE. THATS WHAT HES DONE.
>>IS THE PRICE OF ADMISSION>>IS THE PRICE OF ADMISSION
SELLING YOUR SOUL? SELLING YOUR SOUL?
>>I DIDNT SAY THAT.>>I DIDNT SAY THAT.
THATS WHERE I WAS CATCHING MY THATS WHERE I WAS CATCHING MY
WORDS THERE. WORDS THERE.>>THATS WHAT YOU WANTED TO>>THATS WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY. SAY.>>I WASNT SAYING THAT.>>I WASNT SAYING THAT.>>LETS TALK ABOUT THESE STATES>>LETS TALK ABOUT THESE STATES WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MAY WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MAY NOT EVEN BE A PRIMARY OR CAUCUS, NOT EVEN BE A PRIMARY OR CAUCUS, FOUR STATES HAVE EITHER
CANCELLED OR ARE CONSIDERING CANCELLED OR ARE CONSIDERING
CANCELLING THEIR PRIMARIES OR CANCELLING THEIR PRIMARIES OR
CAUCUSES, WE HAVE A MAP, CAUCUSES, WE HAVE A MAP,
ARIZONA, KANSAS, NEVADA, OUR ARIZONA, KANSAS, NEVADA, OUR
STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA AS WELL. STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA AS WELL.
HOW DO YOU RUN IN AN ELECTION HOW DO YOU RUN IN AN ELECTION
WITHOUT AN ELECTION DAY? WITHOUT AN ELECTION DAY?
>>WELL, FORTUNATELY, SOUTH>>WELL, FORTUNATELY, SOUTH
CAROLINAS, AS IMPORTANT AS IT CAROLINAS, AS IMPORTANT AS IT
IS TO YOU AND ME, IT AT THE END IS TO YOU AND ME, IT AT THE END
OF THE DAY IS NOT THE NATIONAL OF THE DAY IS NOT THE NATIONAL
ELECTIONS. ELECTIONS. ITS A STATE WITHIN, WHAT WILL ITS A STATE WITHIN, WHAT WILL HOPEFULLY BE A NATIONAL HOPEFULLY BE A NATIONAL ELECTION. ELECTION. SO I WOULD SAY THERE ARE TWO SO I WOULD SAY THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT STAND OUT FOR ME.
ONE, THINK ABOUT HOW UNUSUAL. ONE, THINK ABOUT HOW UNUSUAL
THIS IS POLITICALLY. THIS IS POLITICALLY.
IF YOU COULD STACK UP A 90% WIN, IF YOU COULD STACK UP A 90% WIN,
WHICH ALLEGES IVE GOT 90% WHICH ALLEGES IVE GOT 90%
SUPPORT. SUPPORT. IF YOU CAN — IN THE WORLD OF
POLITICS, IF YOU CAN STACK UP A POLITICS, IF YOU CAN STACK UP A
90% WIN IN THE FIRST OF THE 90% WIN IN THE FIRST OF THE
SOUTH PRIMARY, GIVEN ITS SOUTH PRIMARY, GIVEN ITS
IMPLICATIONS THE IN OTHER IMPLICATIONS THE IN OTHER
PRIMARIES IN THE SOUTH, YOUD DO PRIMARIES IN THE SOUTH, YOUD DO
IT. IT. WHAT IT SAYS TO ME IS THEIR OWN WHAT IT SAYS TO ME IS THEIR OWN TEAM HAS LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS TEAM HAS LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS AND SEES THEIR SUPPORT AS A MILE AND SEES THEIR SUPPORT AS A MILE WIDE AND INCH DEEP, AND YOU WIDE AND INCH DEEP, AND YOU WOULD NOT CANCEL WERE IT NOT FOR WOULD NOT CANCEL WERE IT NOT FOR PERSONAL WORRIES.
THE ABILITY OF POLITICAL THE ABILITY OF POLITICAL
ORGANIZATION IN THAT STATE IN A ORGANIZATION IN THAT STATE IN A
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. I THINK THAT THATS INTERESTING.
THE OTHER THING THAT, TO ME, IS THE OTHER THING THAT, TO ME, IS
INTERESTING IS, ARE WE TAKING INTERESTING IS, ARE WE TAKING
OUR CUES FROM NORTH KOREA? OUR CUES FROM NORTH KOREA?
I MEAN, THE IDEA OF A I MEAN, THE IDEA OF A
CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN SAYING CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN SAYING
WERE GOING TO STAND UP AGAINST WERE GOING TO STAND UP AGAINST
BIG MEDIA BECAUSE WE DONT WANT BIG MEDIA BECAUSE WE DONT WANT
TO BE TOLD WHAT TO DO BUT WERE TO BE TOLD WHAT TO DO BUT WERE
OKAY WITH THE IDEA OF A COUPLE OKAY WITH THE IDEA OF A COUPLE
FOLKS IN A SMOKE-FILLED ROOM FOLKS IN A SMOKE-FILLED ROOM
THAT DECIDING THE COMMON FOLK OF THAT DECIDING THE COMMON FOLK OF
SOUTH CAROLINA CANT PARTICIPATE SOUTH CAROLINA CANT PARTICIPATE
IN MAKING THEIR VOICES HEARD IN IN MAKING THEIR VOICES HEARD IN
THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS, THIS IS THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS, THIS IS
GETTING WEIRD. GETTING WEIRD.
AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO CALL IT AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO CALL IT
AS SUCH. AS SUCH.>>ARE YOU PLANNING ANY LEGAL>>ARE YOU PLANNING ANY LEGAL CHALLENGES IN THESE STATES? CHALLENGES IN THESE STATES?>>I DONT KNOW.>>I DONT KNOW. WERE GOING TO LOOK AT ALL WERE GOING TO LOOK AT ALL OPTIONS. OPTIONS. BUT, AGAIN, YOU CAN SPEND A LOT BUT, AGAIN, YOU CAN SPEND A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO GO AFTER, YOU OF TIME TRYING TO GO AFTER, YOU KNOW, THE — THE 5 MILLION KNOW, THE — THE 5 MILLION PEOPLE THAT MAKE UP SOUTH PEOPLE THAT MAKE UP SOUTH CAROLINA OR AFTER THE MORE THAN
300 MILLION PEOPLE THAT MAKE UP 300 MILLION PEOPLE THAT MAKE UP
OUR COUNTRY AND THATS PROBABLY OUR COUNTRY AND THATS PROBABLY
WHERE ILL FOCUS. WHERE ILL FOCUS.
>>YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS>>YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS
A LONG SHOT, THE ODDS ARE A LONG SHOT, THE ODDS ARE
STACKED AGAINST YOU. STACKED AGAINST YOU.
>>SURE.>>SURE.>>HOW MUCH OF THIS IS ABOUT
MARK SANFORD REALLY WANTING TO MARK SANFORD REALLY WANTING TO
BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES AND HOW MUCH OF THIS IS STATES AND HOW MUCH OF THIS IS
ABOUT MARK SANFORD NOT WANTING ABOUT MARK SANFORD NOT WANTING
DONALD TRUMP TO BE PRESIDENT OF DONALD TRUMP TO BE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES FOR ANOTHER THE UNITED STATES FOR ANOTHER
FOUR YEARS? FOUR YEARS?>>OR MAYBE ITS A THIRD OPTION
WHICH IS, WHAT IT IS FOR ME, I WHICH IS, WHAT IT IS FOR ME, I
BELIEVE IN CERTAIN IDEAS. BELIEVE IN CERTAIN IDEAS.
AND YOU AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH AND YOU AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH
OTHER FOR A LONG TIME. OTHER FOR A LONG TIME.
WEVE OVERLAPPED IN YOU IN YOUR WEVE OVERLAPPED IN YOU IN YOUR
WORLD AND ME IN MINE. WORLD AND ME IN MINE.
I THINK ANYBODY OUT THERE, I THINK ANYBODY OUT THERE,
FRIEND OR FOE, WOULD SAY I HAVE FRIEND OR FOE, WOULD SAY I HAVE
CONSISTENTLY FOUGHT ON BEHALF OF CONSISTENTLY FOUGHT ON BEHALF OF
THE TAXPAYER, WITH YOUR THE TAXPAYER, WITH YOUR
POCKETBOOK OR YOUR WALLET, AND POCKETBOOK OR YOUR WALLET, AND
THIS ISSUE OF DEBTS IN THIS ISSUE OF DEBTS IN
GOVERNMENT SPENDING IS NOT A NEW GOVERNMENT SPENDING IS NOT A NEW
ISSUE. ISSUE. THE PEOPLE THAT CAME TO ME,
THEIR POINT WAS, MARK, YOUVE THEIR POINT WAS, MARK, YOUVE
GOT 25 YEARS OF YOUR LIFE GOT 25 YEARS OF YOUR LIFE
INVESTED. INVESTED. WHAT IS SOME CHAPTER, WHETHER WHAT IS SOME CHAPTER, WHETHER THATS MONTHS OR WHETHER THATS THATS MONTHS OR WHETHER THATS A YEAR PLUS, GOING FORWARD GIVEN A YEAR PLUS, GOING FORWARD GIVEN HOW MUCH TIME YOUVE ALREADY HOW MUCH TIME YOUVE ALREADY INVESTED IN THIS SUBJECT AND INVESTED IN THIS SUBJECT AND ITS NOT JUST THAT. ITS NOT JUST THAT. ITS THE OTHER THEMES I TALKED
ABOUT IN MY CONCESSION SPEECH ABOUT IN MY CONCESSION SPEECH
ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF AGO IN ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF AGO IN
TERMS OF WHERE WERE GOING IN TERMS OF WHERE WERE GOING IN
TERMS OF POLITICAL NORMS AND TERMS OF POLITICAL NORMS AND
HUMILITY AND TONE IN THE PARTY, HUMILITY AND TONE IN THE PARTY,
WHERE WERE GOING ON TRADE, A WHERE WERE GOING ON TRADE, A
WHOLE HOST OF ISSUES NEED TO BE WHOLE HOST OF ISSUES NEED TO BE
TALKED ABOUT AND WHETHER THAT TALKED ABOUT AND WHETHER THAT
ENDS UP BEING JUST A ENDS UP BEING JUST A
CONVERSATION, OR END UP CONVERSATION, OR END UP
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
I DONT KNOW. I DONT KNOW. THE VOTERS DECIDE THAT ONE. THE VOTERS DECIDE THAT ONE.>>THE SANFORD VOTER, IT SOUNDS>>THE SANFORD VOTER, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SANFORD VOTER IS A LIKE THE SANFORD VOTER IS A SUBURBAN WOMAN, SOMEONE WHOS
CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPIRALING CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPIRALING
DEBTS AND DEFICITS IN THIS DEBTS AND DEFICITS IN THIS
COUNTRY, SOMEONE WHO IS ALIGNING COUNTRY, SOMEONE WHO IS ALIGNING
WITH YOU WITH REGARDS TO TRADE. WITH YOU WITH REGARDS TO TRADE.
WHO ELSE IS THE SANFORD VOTE WHO ELSE IS THE SANFORD VOTE
SNER. SNER.>>WELL, NO, THIS IS — THE BIG
QUESTION OF MY CAMPAIGN.THE BIG QUESTION OF MY CAMPAIGN.
IF IM RIGHT ON MY HUNCH, THE IF IM RIGHT ON MY HUNCH, THE
CAMPAIGN WILL BE LONG-LIVED. CAMPAIGN WILL BE LONG-LIVED.
IF IM WRONG, IT WONT BE. IF IM WRONG, IT WONT BE.
AND THAT IS THE THOUSANDS, AND I AND THAT IS THE THOUSANDS, AND I
HAD THOUSANDS OF DIFFERENT HAD THOUSANDS OF DIFFERENT
CONVERSATIONS OVER MY 25 YEARS CONVERSATIONS OVER MY 25 YEARS
IN POLITICS, WITH THE SMALL IN POLITICS, WITH THE SMALL
BUSINESS PERSON STRUGGLING TO BUSINESS PERSON STRUGGLING TO
MAKE IT, WITH THE FOLKS AT HOME MAKE IT, WITH THE FOLKS AT HOME
WHO ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW TOUGH WHO ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW TOUGH
IT WAS TO GET THEIR FAMILY IT WAS TO GET THEIR FAMILY
CHECKBOOK BALANCED, THAT THOSE CHECKBOOK BALANCED, THAT THOSE
PEOPLE HAVE NOT GONE AWAY. PEOPLE HAVE NOT GONE AWAY.
THOSE PEOPLE WERE CORE TO THE THOSE PEOPLE WERE CORE TO THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY AND WHAT IT REPUBLICAN PARTY AND WHAT IT
USED TO STAND FOR. USED TO STAND FOR.
THEY HAVENT BEEN TALKED TO HERE THEY HAVENT BEEN TALKED TO HERE
LATELY AND THE PRESIDENT SAID LATELY AND THE PRESIDENT SAID
THOSE CONCERNS YOU HAVE WITH THOSE CONCERNS YOU HAVE WITH
REGARD TO SPENDING, THEYRE OUT REGARD TO SPENDING, THEYRE OUT
THE WINDOW, WERE NOT GOING TO THE WINDOW, WERE NOT GOING TO
WORRY ABOUT THEM, THE ECONOMYS WORRY ABOUT THEM, THE ECONOMYS
GREAT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT GREAT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT
THEYRE STILL THERE AND ID LIKE THEYRE STILL THERE AND ID LIKE
TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM
BECAUSE THAT SPANS WELL BEYOND BECAUSE THAT SPANS WELL BEYOND
THE SUBURBAN WOMAN YOURE THE SUBURBAN WOMAN YOURE
TALKING ABOUT, IT SPANS TO A TALKING ABOUT, IT SPANS TO A
WHOLE RANGE OF DIFFERENT WHOLE RANGE OF DIFFERENT
SOCIOECONOMIC GROUPINGS AND DEM SOCIOECONOMIC GROUPINGS AND DEM
KRAFIC. KRAFIC.>>DO YOU DISPUTE THE>>DO YOU DISPUTE THE CHARACTERIZATION THAT COMES OUT CHARACTERIZATION THAT COMES OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE THAT THE OF THE WHITE HOUSE THAT THE ECONOMY IS STRONG? ECONOMY IS STRONG?>>ABSOLUTELY I CONTEST THAT.>>ABSOLUTELY I CONTEST THAT. BECAUSE YOU CAN BUY GROWTH. BECAUSE YOU CAN BUY GROWTH. SHOW ME THE NUMBER YOU WANT TO
GET TO AND ILL TELL YOU THE TO GET TO AND ILL TELL YOU THE
PRICE TO GET THIS. PRICE TO GET THIS.
THINK ABOUT WHAT THE FED HAS THINK ABOUT WHAT THE FED HAS
BEEN DOING, AVERAGE RECESSION BEEN DOING, AVERAGE RECESSION
LAST FIVE YEARS YOUVE SEEN A LAST FIVE YEARS YOUVE SEEN A
FIVE AND A FIVE. FIVE AND A FIVE.
FIVE POINTS IN TERMS OF LOWERING FIVE POINTS IN TERMS OF LOWERING
OF INTEREST RATES BY THE FED, IN OF INTEREST RATES BY THE FED, IN
TERMS OF DEALING WITH THAT TERMS OF DEALING WITH THAT
RECESSION. RECESSION. AND ABOUT A FIVE POINT INCREASE AND ABOUT A FIVE POINT INCREASE IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THE IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THE DEFICIT. DEFICIT. GUESS WHAT? GUESS WHAT? WEVE GOT NO ROOM ON EITHER SIDE
RIGHT NOW.O ROOM ON EITHER SIDE RIGHT NOW.
THE FED DOESNT HAVE ROOM AND IN THE FED DOESNT HAVE ROOM AND IN
TERMS OF GOVERNMENT, IT DOESNT TERMS OF GOVERNMENT, IT DOESNT
HAVE ROOM. HAVE ROOM.
WE ARE MORE VULNERABLE THAN WE ARE MORE VULNERABLE THAN
WEVE BEEN AT ANY POINT IN THE WEVE BEEN AT ANY POINT IN THE
HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY.
ECONOMICALLY, SAY FOR THE START ECONOMICALLY, SAY FOR THE START
OF OUR COUNTRY, CIVIL WAR AND OF OUR COUNTRY, CIVIL WAR AND
WORLD WAR II. WORLD WAR II.
>>YOURE GOING TO TRY TO RUN A>>YOURE GOING TO TRY TO RUN A
CAMPAIGN ON DEBTS, DEFICITS AND CAMPAIGN ON DEBTS, DEFICITS AND
SPENDING, YOU AND I BOTH KNOW SPENDING, YOU AND I BOTH KNOW
THATS NOT SEXY. THATS NOT SEXY.
ITS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT. ITS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT.
>>THATS NOT IT.>>THATS NOT IT.
WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE
DIFFERENT THINGS. DIFFERENT THINGS.
THATS THE BULLS EYE FOR ME, THATS THE BULLS EYE FOR ME,
AND, AGAIN, TRADE, AGAIN, TONE, AND, AGAIN, TRADE, AGAIN, TONE,
AGAIN, POLITICAL AND POLITICAL AGAIN, POLITICAL AND POLITICAL
CULTURE AND INSTITUTION. CULTURE AND INSTITUTION.
>>YOURE PREPARED FOR THE>>YOURE PREPARED FOR THE
PRESIDENT TO GO PERSONAL FOR PRESIDENT TO GO PERSONAL FOR
HOWEVER LONG YOURE IN THE RACE, HOWEVER LONG YOURE IN THE RACE,
TO CONTINUE TO ATTACK YOU ON TO CONTINUE TO ATTACK YOU ON
TWITTER, YOURE PREPARED FOR TWITTER, YOURE PREPARED FOR
THAT? THAT?
>>YEAH.>>YEAH.
I MEAN, I — I THINK THE I MEAN, I — I THINK THE
INTERESTING THING ABOUT MY INTERESTING THING ABOUT MY
JOURNEY IS IVE BEEN TO SOME JOURNEY IS IVE BEEN TO SOME
TOUGH SPOTS. TOUGH SPOTS.
THE IDEA OF HIM MEDICAL REPORTOR THE IDEA OF HIM MEDICAL REPORTOR
WOUNDING ME WITH TWITTER. WOUNDING ME WITH TWITTER.
>>YOUVE ONLY LOST ONE RACE,>>YOUVE ONLY LOST ONE RACE,
YOUR LAST CONGRESSIONAL RACE, YOUR LAST CONGRESSIONAL RACE,
WHAT DID YOU LEARN FROM THAT WHAT DID YOU LEARN FROM THAT
LOSS THATS GOING TO MAKE YOU A LOSS THATS GOING TO MAKE YOU A
BETTER CANDIDATE RIGHT NOW? BETTER CANDIDATE RIGHT NOW?
>>I LEARNED I GUESS A COUPLE OF>>I LEARNED I GUESS A COUPLE OF
DIFFERENT THINGS. DIFFERENT THINGS.
I LEARNED ONE, HOW REAL THE I LEARNED ONE, HOW REAL THE
TRUMP PHENOMENON IS. TRUMP PHENOMENON IS.
IT IS A POWERFUL FORCE RIGHT NOW IT IS A POWERFUL FORCE RIGHT NOW
IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
BUT I ALSO LEARNED NEEDS TO BE C BUT I ALSO LEARNED NEEDS TO BE C
I MEAN, I FEEL — I MEAN, THAT I MEAN, I FEEL — I MEAN, THAT
NIGHT OF MY LOSS, WHICH WAS MY NIGHT OF MY LOSS, WHICH WAS MY
FIRST LOSS, MY FOUR SONS AND I FIRST LOSS, MY FOUR SONS AND I
STAYED UP UNTIL 3:00 IN THE STAYED UP UNTIL 3:00 IN THE
MORNING THAT NIGHT TALKING ABOUT MORNING THAT NIGHT TALKING ABOUT
LIFE. LIFE. WHAT THEY SAID TO A BOY WAS, WHAT THEY SAID TO A BOY WAS, DAD, YOU DID THE RIGHT THING,
YOUVE TAUGHT US ABOUT CERTAIN YOUVE TAUGHT US ABOUT CERTAIN
PRINCIPLES, CERTAIN LESSONS AND PRINCIPLES, CERTAIN LESSONS AND
THE IMPORTANCE OF STANDING ON THE IMPORTANCE OF STANDING ON
THEM. THEM. YOU DID AND WERE PROUD OF YOU. YOU DID AND WERE PROUD OF YOU. WHAT I LEARNED IN THAT ELECTION WHAT I LEARNED IN THAT ELECTION IS HOW THERE ARE THINGS WELL IS HOW THERE ARE THINGS WELL BEYOND POLITICS THAT GO TO THE BEYOND POLITICS THAT GO TO THE HEART OF WHO WE ARE AS HUMAN HEART OF WHO WE ARE AS HUMAN BEINGS THAT ARE OCCASIONALLY
WORTH STANDING FOR.ASIONALLY WORTH STANDING FOR. THATS THE CASE WITH THIS
ELECTION RIGHT NOW. THIS ELECTION RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE SOME PRINCIPLES OUT THERE ARE SOME PRINCIPLES OUT
THERE WE ALL NEED TO STAND FOR THERE WE ALL NEED TO STAND FOR
AS AMERICANS, THAT I THINK HAVE AS AMERICANS, THAT I THINK HAVE
GONE AWRY WITH THIS WHITE HOUSE.

Mark Sanford on why he’s fighting to define the Republican Party


JUDY WOODRUFF: To many, Donald Trump is reshaping
the Republican Party, but there are some Republicans who disagree with his leadership and policies
enough to try to challenge him for the presidency. Mark Sanford is one. The former South Carolina congressman and
governor announced this week he’s running for the Republican nomination for president,
making him the third in his party to do so. And he joins me now. Mark Sanford, welcome to the “NewsHour.” So, why challenge a president who is polling
at 87 percent favorability in his own party? MARK SANFORD (R), Presidential Candidate:
Because I think we need to have a conversation about what it means to be a Republican these
days. I think that certain tenets of what the Republican
Party traditionally stood for have been lost of late. And I think that, at a grassroots level, there
are a lot of people out there that I think still believe in those things. Take, for instance, this issue of spending
and debt and deficits. They have gone out of control in Washington. The president said: If I get elected, I will
completely eliminate that debt over the eight years that I might be in office. In fact, the numbers have gone in the opposite
direction. I think it’s worth a conversation. JUDY WOODRUFF: And I want to ask you about
that. I mean, you’re making that a centerpiece. At least, that’s what you’re talking about
this week. But just how far are you prepared to go? Are you prepared to talk about cuts in Social
— the entitlement programs, so-called, Social Security, Medicare, even tax increases? How far are you prepared to go? MARK SANFORD: To go all the way in simply
telling the truth. I think that, you know, people would acknowledge
that we’re on an unsustainable path. I think there’s a disconnect between the way
in which people gather around the family kitchen and the watercooler and the business table,
and very carefully and meticulously going through their budgets at the business or individual
level. And they see the numbers and they say, you
know, they don’t add up. And if nobody else is worried about it, I
guess I’m not worried about it either. And so we have been lulled into this sense
of, it will go away on its own, when, in fact, that’s not case. Erskine Bowles, was one of the co-chairs of
the Bowles-Simpson report, said this at the end of it. He said, we’re walking away from the most
predictable financial crisis in the history of man. And I think we’re now at that the tipping
point, if you look at the way we’re projected to run deficits over the next 10 years, if
you look at where we are on debt, if you look at the spending that accompanies both, we
are at a tipping point. And so either we go out and confront truth
and, indeed, deal with entitlements and other, or we pretend it is going to go away, which
it never does, and as a consequence the financial markets will bring us back to reality, and
it will be bruising for every one of us. JUDY WOODRUFF: But you think you can get people
to care about this, to vote for this, when there’s no evidence right now that there’s
any kind of consensus, even among Republicans, who used to be — it used to the party of
getting spending down. MARK SANFORD: Yes, it was, again, a cornerstone,
as were many other things. The Republican Party is not exactly the Republican
Party that I invested a lot of years of my life into. But it is what it is, which makes it that
much more important to say, is this really the direction that we want to go? I mean, take, for instance, just the congressional
district that I used to represent here… (CROSSTALK) MARK SANFORD: … of South Carolina. JUDY WOODRUFF: And I… MARK SANFORD: I’m sorry. You were about to say something? JUDY WOODRUFF: No, go ahead. I just want to say, I have got a couple of
other issues I want to ask you about. MARK SANFORD: OK. OK. But take that district. It went Democratic for the first time in 50
years, in large part simply because of the president’s tone. Working women, suburban women, young millennials
turned out in droves. And, as a consequence, the district went a
different direction. I think it’s time to have a real conversation
about where we’re going as a party. JUDY WOODRUFF: I want to ask you very quickly
about a few other issues. One is climate change. Are you with the president in his skepticism
about it? MARK SANFORD: I’m not. I believe in science. It is inconceivable to me that you could say,
I believe in the miracles of modern medicine and what science can do in healing the human
body, but I don’t believe in science outside of the body as it relates the larger, you
know, ecosystem that we live in as human beings. JUDY WOODRUFF: Immigration, the president’s
been very tough on this issue. He wants a border wall. You have said you agree with that. What about the policy of family separation,
tighter asylum rules, laws? Where are you on that? MARK SANFORD: I agree with much of that. I mean, I think that, inasmuch as asylum is
abused, and not for true asylum, we have a problem, and it ought to be tightened up. I don’t agree with the idea of separating
families, simply because, you know, you can be tough on immigration, but also believe
in the sanctity of the family unit. JUDY WOODRUFF: Foreign policy. Would you talk to the leader of North Korea? MARK SANFORD: You know, I don’t think so. I mean, I think he’s proven himself an awfully
bad actor on the world stage. I was in Congress at the time that, you know,
the Clinton administration, in essence, struck a deal with North Korea, and the net-net of
that deal was, you know, we sent a lot of money their way, and we got nothing in result. I don’t see this movie ending up much differently. I think it falls more carefully on the lines
of trust, but verify, what Reagan talked about. And they need to do some things that show
verification before we step out in trusting them and meeting with them. JUDY WOODRUFF: And do you agree with President
Trump’s policy on trade toward China, the tariffs? MARK SANFORD: I think that, you know, as late
as this last Friday, The Wall Street Journal had an article talking about how there had
been a full percentage point drop in our growth in this country as a result of trade uncertainty. I think the way that he has approached it
has been mistaken. I think it is hurting the American consumer. You look at about $1,000 of cost per household
that’s calculated now in what’s coming our way, and it’s going to get worse. And if we don’t watch out, we’re going to
go the direction of Smoot-Hawley tariffs of the 1930s, where world trade declined by two-thirds. You start a trade war, you don’t know exactly
where it ends. I think we’re, again, not approaching this
in the right direction. JUDY WOODRUFF: How would your White House,
if you’re elected, be run differently from this White House under President Trump? MARK SANFORD: I was a chief executive of a
state for eight years of my life. And what I saw in that experience is, it’s
incredibly important that there be predictability from the executive branch. It allows forces for you and against you to
line up, and there is at least a battle line drawn, where you can have a real debate on
where you want to go next as a state, where you want to go next as a country. What we have more of is sort of chaos theory. One day, it’s here, the next day, it’s here,
the next day, it’s here. And, as a consequence, what happens is exactly
what we’re seeing in trade, wherein business investment has been frozen up because people
don’t know what comes next. You’re not going to invest in that kind of
environment. And the same is true of political decisions. They’re not made because nobody knows exactly
what’s going to happen next. Am I really going to take a stand as a Republican? Well, he may or may not have my back. It’s important there be predictability out
of the White House. JUDY WOODRUFF: And, finally, the president
has made some very cutting personal comments about you, Mark Sanford. He’s referred to your leaving the office,
how you left the office of governor, and a number of other things. The chairman of… MARK SANFORD: Well, no, let’s be clear. I didn’t… JUDY WOODRUFF: Go ahead. Yes. MARK SANFORD: Go ahead. I’m sorry. JUDY WOODRUFF: No. MARK SANFORD: No, go ahead. Yes, ma’am. JUDY WOODRUFF: I was just going to say, the
chairman of the Republican Party in South Carolina has called your candidacy a vanity
project. You’re not getting a lot of support in your
home state. They have canceled the Republican primary
in your home state of South Carolina. How do you — I mean, when your home folks
are not behind you, how do you have a candidacy? MARK SANFORD: There’s a big difference between
political folks and home folks. And I have had the honor of getting to know
all kinds of folks from across South Carolina over my long number of years, both in Congress
and the governorship. And there is a decided difference between
the political body and regular people in our state. I think what this should tell us is, wait
a minute. Somebody in the Trump Organization is looking
at the numbers and saying, my support is a mile wide, but an inch deep, because if you
have a chance to pick up supposedly a 90 percent win in the first-in-the-South primary, you
take it, because it signals other things in primaries that will follow. Instead, they canceled that primary in South
Carolina, which is, again, beyond perplexing. And so I would simply say, I think it begs
much more of the question, why are they doing this, and begs that much more of the question
of the need for a debate in the Republican Party on where we go next. JUDY WOODRUFF: Mark Sanford, a candidate for
the Republican nomination for president, thank you. MARK SANFORD: Yes, ma’am.

Who Are Trump’s Republican Challengers?


“The lights are on
in the White House, but no one’s at home.” “This guy is destroying
the country.” “Put the Twitter away.” President Trump is facing
Republican challengers to his re-election campaign. Joe Walsh, Bill Weld
and Mark Sanford. They don’t have much
of a chance at securing their party’s nomination, but primary challenges
can lead to problems for the incumbent. So who’s trying
to take Trump on? First up: Joe Walsh. “These are not
conventional times. These are urgent times. Let’s be real: These are scary times.” A one-term
Tea Party congressman who represented a Chicago
suburb from 2011 to 2013. “Pisses me off!” His style? It’s aggressive. Even with his
constituents. “Quiet for a minute! Or I’m going to
ask you to leave.” He is also known for
his offensive tweets. “I wouldn’t call
myself a racist, but I would say, John,
I’ve said racist things on Twitter.” He’s shared his
far-right views on his nationally
syndicated radio show. “When he was elected
to Congress, he showed up in Washington
and refused to play by their rules.” In a recent program, he slammed President Trump
for his handling of immigration. “Donald Trump has royally
screwed this thing up.” His show is going off
the air due to FCC rules on airtime rights for
presidential candidates. So why is he running? “All Trump cares
about is himself.” “He’s a horrible human being.” “He’s nuts, he’s erratic, he’s incompetent!” Critics have said the
same about him. Next: Bill Weld. He was the first
to announce his run against President Trump. “I would be
ashamed of myself if I didn’t raise
my hand and run.” Weld is a lawyer and former
Justice Department official. He was the governor of
Massachusetts during the ’90s, and has switched party
loyalties a few times, endorsing Barack Obama
for president in 2008 over John McCain,
and then supporting Mitt Romney in 2012. He ran as a libertarian
vice presidential candidate in 2016. “I hope to see the Republican
Party assume once again the mantle of being
the party of Lincoln.” Weld is a
fiscal conservative, but socially liberal. He supports abortion rights,
same-sex marriage and legalizing marijuana. He’s been campaigning in
New Hampshire and Iowa, hoping to best Trump in
those early primary contests. “I think we’re in something
of an inflection point.” And the former
governor of South Carolina, Mark Sanford, is also running. “We need a change in
spending, debt and deficits, and we need it now.” He’s a vocal critic
of President Trump, and served a total
of six terms in the House of
Representatives. Ultimately, he lost his seat
after a primary challenge by a Trump-backed candidate. His second term as South Carolina
governor was stained by a scandal involving
an extramarital affair. Trump referenced this scandal
in a tweet mocking all three Republican candidates
running against him. So what are their
chances at winning? Not good. As of now, Trump’s
approval rating is very high
among Republicans. However, primary challengers
in recent decades have shown that they can leave the incumbent wounded
in the general election.

Tamara Keith and Amy Walter on N.C. special election, Trump’s primary challengers


JUDY WOODRUFF: Labor Day is behind us, schools
have started and the political calendar is ramping up. Lisa Desjardins fills in the picture. LISA DESJARDINS: North Carolina is the first
hot spot, hosting President Trump tonight for a campaign rally tonight ahead of a special
congressional election. And Congress is also back, with Democrats
in the House shedding the spotlight on gun violence and impeachment. That’s plenty for our weekly Politics Monday
roundup with Amy Walter of The Cook Political Report and host of public radio’s “Politics
With Amy Walter” and Tamara Keith of NPR and co-host of the “NPR Politics Podcast.” Ladies, it’s Election Day tomorrow, just one
special election, the North Carolina Ninth Congressional District. Let’s look at — there’s two candidates running,
Republican Dan Bishop. He’s a state senator, also fiscal conservative,
running against Dan McCready. He’s a Marine veteran and also a former money
manager. He’s running as more of a moderate. Amy, why are people paying such attention
to this race? What does it tell you? AMY WALTER, The Cook Political Report: And
people, the parties and the outside groups, are also spending a whole lot of money here. It’s over $10 million that outside groups
have spent in this race, you’re right, for one congressional seat. It’s because it’s symbolic. This is a district that the Democrat, Democrat,
Dan McCready, lost very narrowly, but there was vote fraud allegations. The election was thrown out. This is the do-over election with a different
Republican. But, really, it’s about, is Donald Trump still
as strong of a force for Republicans in Republican-leaning districts as he was, let’s say, in 2016? The president there trying to urge Republicans
to turn out in a district that gave him 54 percent. But recent polls from that district show that
the president’s approval rating there is now down to 47 percent. The race is within single digits. If the Democrat were to win here, if Dan McCready
were to win here, it would — it would send a pretty big shockwave, that not only is a
district that the president pretty handily carried in danger, but it would also say to
Democrats, you better put North Carolina in play, and, Trump, you can’t count on winning
North Carolina again. That would be a very big upset. LISA DESJARDINS: And this is a partially suburban
district too around Charlotte. TAMARA KEITH, National Public Radio: Right. It’s partially suburban. It actually — it has — it has a mix of rural
and suburban. And it is a decent test case of a Trump district
and what happens there. In a lot of ways, even though this is the
last vote of 2018, it is the first vote of 2020. And a lot of people are treating it that way,
including the president, who, as you said, is there holding a rally tonight. And although he doesn’t want to put too much
of his political sway on the line, or he doesn’t want to admit that he’s putting a lot into
this, he is putting a lot into this. The most valuable thing that a candidate and
a president have is the president’s time. And he is dedicating his time by going down
there, holding this rally, and hoping that he can declare victory in less than 48 hours. AMY WALTER: The other interesting thing about
this district, if a Democrat should win, it would be one of the most Republican districts
held by Democrats. We know that Democrats won a lot of seats
in 2018. They netted 40 seats, but they were mostly
in districts that Trump narrowly won or narrowly lost. There aren’t many districts that he won by
54 percent or even 53 percent that Democrats hold. So this would be one of the most Republicans. LISA DESJARDINS: To move the line. AMY WALTER: Yes. LISA DESJARDINS: Someone else trying to move
the line, former Congressman and former South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford, who announced
he is also a candidate for president. Let’s take a listen to what he said, why he’s
doing this. MARK SANFORD (R), Presidential Candidate:
Those people were core to the Republican Party and what it used to stand for. They haven’t been talked to here lately. And the president said those concerns you
have with regard to spending, they’re out the window, we’re not going to worry about
them, the economy is great. But I believe that they’re still there. LISA DESJARDINS: He’s talking about Republicans
who are unhappy with the direction of the party, think this is not the party they recognize. He’s a complicated figure. He’s got a complicated party. But, Amy, is there a possibility of Republicans
who don’t like Trump actually breaking from him, going with someone like Mark Sanford? AMY WALTER: It doesn’t look like there’s any
opportunity — or possibility of Trump losing this nomination, or even any of the three
candidates who are running right now getting much of the vote. This is especially true in South Carolina,
where they actually — the Republican Party canceled the primary there. And there are four other states where the
primary has been canceled on the Republican side. LISA DESJARDINS: Just in the past few days. AMY WALTER: Just in the past few days. Now, in 2004, when George W. Bush was running
— running for reelection, about 10 states canceled their Republican primary. So this isn’t all that new. The interesting — really interesting thing,
though, about Sanford is, he’s running on this fiscal conservatism, right? The debt is too big, the deficit is too high. This is something Republicans, right, we heard
them talk about all the time during the Obama administration. And, in fact, if you look at what priority
Republicans put on the issue of debt and deficit, it peaked at 82 percent in the middle of the
Trump — I’m sorry — the Obama administration. (CROSSTALK) AMY WALTER: The Obama administration. And since then, it’s been going back down. So if you look at like the arc of it, of Republicans’
concern, voter concern with debt and deficit, really high when the Democrat is in office,
pretty low when George W. Bush’s in office, pretty low when Donald Trump’s in office. LISA DESJARDINS: Tam? TAMARA KEITH: Yes. And Bill Weld, and Joe Walsh, and Mark Sanford,
they’re all entering this knowing that they basically have no chance of winning the nomination
and even less of a chance of becoming president of the United States. But that’s not their only goal. Sanford is clearly saying, like, I want to
have a conversation. He doesn’t feel like the Republican Party
has really had an internal debate about who they are since President Trump became president. Mark Sanford tried to have that debate when
he was in Congress, and he started criticizing President Trump. President Trump endorsed his primary opponent,
and then that person won, and then went on to lose in the general election to a Democrat,
which was a pretty big surprise in that district. So all of these candidate in part are either
hoping to have a conversation or they are hoping to damage the incumbent. And incumbent presidents who have had primary
challenges in the past, there is a history there of them going on to — and being denied
a second term. But it is hard to say that these three are
at the same level as a Ted Kennedy or a Ronald Reagan or a Pat Buchanan in 1992. AMY WALTER: Yes. LISA DESJARDINS: So Congress is also back. I feel like we need to take a deep breath. I think things are going to start moving very
quickly. It started today, with House Democrats holding
a news conference on guns. This is issue number one for them. And they invited to that news conference the
mayor of Dayton, Nan Whaley. There she is right there at the U.S. Capitol
today. Last week, you all did a great job of helping
us understand we don’t know where the president is on guns. But let’s talk about Congress a little bit. It seems like there are many members on both
sides trying to coalesce around maybe expanding background checks, perhaps helping states
with red flag laws that give law enforcement more power in emergency and crisis situations. Do either of these stand a chance? They’re very popular in polls with the American
people. TAMARA KEITH: Well, they stand a great chance
in the House of Representatives, where Democrats are in power, and, in fact, well, they have
already passed bills that do these things, essentially. But on the Senate side, it’s much more difficult. And Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has said
that he is not going to put up something for a vote that the president won’t sign. And they don’t yet know what the president
will sign. LISA DESJARDINS: Briefly, Amy? AMY WALTER: Yes. I mean, this is one of those issues that,
again, if you’re looking at this, if you’re President Trump, you know suburban women are
going to be very important in this election. This would be an issue to take and support
to win those voters back. But this is a president who’s always been
about his base and keeping them happy. LISA DESJARDINS: We still have a lot to watch. AMY WALTER: That’s right. LISA DESJARDINS: Amy Walter, Tamara Keith,
thank you. TAMARA KEITH: You’re welcome.