Federal Leaders’ Debate 2019


HELLO AS WELL TO OUR VIEWERS JOINING US ON THE LIVE STREAM, A LITTLE LATER ON IN THE HOUR. WE’RE GOING TO BE TAKING YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEBATE. SO POST THEM IN THE COMMENT SECTION ON TWITTER, YOUTUBE, FACEBOOK, WHEREVER YOU ARE CATCHING THIS SHOW. WE ARE COMING TO YOU LIVE FROM THE MUSEUM OF HISTORY OVER IN GATINEAU, QUEBEC, WHERE 59 MINUTES UNDER AN HOUR TO GO UNTIL THE BEG ENGLISH DEBATE. ALL 6 MAJOR PARTY LEADERS WILL FACE OFF. YOU CAN SEE AS I MENTIONED OUR COUNT DOWN CLOCK RIGHT THERE. I AM JOINED NOW BY TWO JOURNALIST, MARIE VASTEL AND MARIEKE WALSH TO GO OVER KIND OF THE EXPECTATION THAT IS WE HAVE TONIGHT AS WELL AS WHAT THE STAKES ARE. LET ME ASK YOU FIRST, MARIE, IF YOU WERE TO PIN ONTARIO, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT YOU ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR, IN 59 MINUTES, WHAT WOULD IT BE?>>I THINK THE BIG CHALLENGE FOR ALL OF THEM WILL BE TO GET THEIR PLATFORM ACROSS, RIGHT? THEIR MAIN — THE MAIN THINGS THAT DISTINGUISH THEM FROM THE OTHERS. BECAUSE A LOT OF THE PROMISES WE’VE SEEN DURING THIS ELECTION KIND OF TOUCH ON THE OTHER CANDIDATES’ –>>OVERLAP.>>YEAH, OVERLAP SO THEY ALL HAVE SOMETHING ON TAXES, MOST OF THE LEFT OF CENTRE PARTIES HAVE SOMETHING ON AFFORDABLE HOUSE BEING, PHARMACARE, EVERYONE HAS SOME SORT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PLAN, AND SO I THINK THE CHALLENGE FOR THEM WILL BE TO SHOW PEOPLE IN ONE MINUTE CLIP THIS IS HOW I AM DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER ONES, AND THIS IS HOW IN MY OPINION I AM BETTER. ALL OF THAT AT THE SAME TIME AS THEY HAVE TO PROBABLY HIT — HIT OR HURT THEIR OPPONENTS A LITTLE BIT. AND THAT WILL BE INTERESTING, TOO, TO SEE THE DYNAMIC ON WHO GOES UP AGAINST Mr. TRUDEAU, WHO GOES UP AGAINST Mr. SCHEER. AND WHAT’S THE DYNAMIC BETWEEN THE OTHER ONES, THE ONES THAT ARE FIGHTING FOR THE BALANCE OF POWER?>>THIS IDEA, MIRACLE, OF TRYING TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS OR LAND A MESSAGE THAT YOU CAME PREPARED TO DELIVER, HOW DIFFICULT DO YOU THINK IT’S GOING TO BE TONIGHT ESPECIALLY, 5 DIFFERENT TOPICS, 20 MINUTES ESSENTIAL A SEGMENT, HOW DIFFICULT DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE?>>I THINK IT’S GOING TO BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET YOUR VOICE HEARD ABOVE THE FRAY. IF YOU DO THE MATH, EACH LEADER HAS LESS THAN 20 MINUTES TO GET THEIR POINT ACROSS. SO THEY PUT ALL OF THIS TIME AND EFFORT INTO PREPPING FOR THE DEBATE. THE RISKS ARE SO HIGH AND YET — AND THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY PUNCH THROUGH TO GET THEIR MESSAGE THROUGH ABOVE ALL THESE OTHER VOICES IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT AND IT’S VERY LIMITED.>>MARIE, THE POLLS, AND WE’VE TALKED ABOUT THIS PROBABLY A THOUSAND TIMES IN THE LAST MONTH, THREE OF US AMONG OTHERS HAVE BEEN SO CLOSE. HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT WILL FACTOR INTO PARTICULARLY THE FACE-OFFS BETWEEN ANDREW SCHEER AND JUSTIN TRUDEAU?>>AND THAT’S THE CHALLENGE, RIGHT? IT’S THAT, FIRST OF ALL, IT’S THE ONLY ENGLISH DEBATE OF THE CONSORTIUM WITH ALL OF THE SIX LEADERS BROADCASTED PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE. SO IT REALLY IS THEIR ONLY CHANCE TO GET OUT OF THIS LOGJAM AND TO TRY AND MAKE THE POLLS MOVE. IT IS AN IMPORTANT EXERCISE FOR TRUDEAU AND SCHEER. THEY HAVE TO — ONE OF THEM NEEDS TO MOMENTUM GET MOMENTUM IF THEY WANT TO GET OUT OF THIS TIGHT RACE. JAGMEET SINGH AND ELIZABETH MAY WEREN’T TOGETHER, IN ENGLISH WITH MacLEAN’S OR IN FRENCH WITH TVA SO THE NDP IS SAYING THE MAIN OBJECTIVE IS NOT TO HIT ELIZABETH MAY BUT YOU HAVE SEEN JAGMEET SINGH CRITICIZE HER OVER AND OVER IN THE PAST WEEKS AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW MUCH Mr. SINGH DIRECTS HIS ATTENTION TO Mr. TRUDEAU AND MISS MAY BECAUSE AT THE TVA DEBATE HE REALLY ONLY TARGET TARGETED Mr. SCHEER WHICH IS SURPRISING BECAUSE THEY REALLY DON’T HAVE THE SAME VOTER BASE AND HOW IS HE GOING TO REDIRECT HIS ATTENTION THIS TIME AND HOW ARE Mr. TRUDEAU AND Mr. SCHEER, I WOULD EXPECT IT WILL BE A LOT OF WHAT WE’VE HEARD BEFORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN CRITICIZING EACH OTHER MAINLY.>>DEBATING IN THE WEEKS UP TO THIS, ON THE SAME STAGE.>>YOU NEVER KNOW IF THERE WILL BE SOME NEW LINES THAT THEY WILL TRY ON VOTERS TONIGHT.>>WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE, MARIEKE, FROM JAGMEET SINGH, BECAUSE YOU BRING UP A COUPLE OF INTERESTING POINTS. ALSO IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT POLLS BEING STAGNANT, HIS OWN FAVOURABILITY NUMBERS, IF THERE’S MOMENTUM ANYWHERE IN THIS CAMPAIGN NATIONALLY IT’S BEHIND THOSE NUMBERS. THE PARTY ITSELF, YET, HASN’T YET CAUGHT UP WITH THAT — WITH THAT MOMENTUM, THAT COULD CHANGE, I DON’T KNOW. HOW DO THAT HIT TONIGHT DO YOU THINK?>>I THINK IT PUTS MORE PRESSURE AND MORE FOCUS ON HIM. I THINK FROM THE DEBATE LAST WEEK, WE ACTUALLY SAW THAT HE PERFORMED I THINK BETTER, MANY PEOPLE SAID, THAN SOMEONE LIKE ANDREW SCHEER. SO I THINK THERE IS MORE EXPECTATION OF HIM NOW AND I THINK THIS GOES TO WHAT MARIE IS TALKING ABOUT, OF WHETHER DOES THEN HAVE TO FOCUSING MORE ON TRUDEAU, HOW DOES HE MAKE SURE THAT HIS PARTIES NUMBERS CATCH UP TO HIS NUMBERS. HOW DOES HE BRING THEM ALONG RATHER THAN HIM FALLING BACK DOWN. I THINK YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY WILL PUSH MORE ON TRUDEAU’S POLICIES BECAUSE WE ARE AN ENGLISH CANADA NOW AND THAT’S REALLY WHO HIS OPPONENT IS.>>DO YOU EXPECT THAT TO HAPPEN AS WELL?>>YEAH, I DO, AND I ALSO WONDER IF IT’S BECAUSE IT’S IN ENGLISH, IT WILL BE A LITTLE TOUGHER FOR Mr. TRUDEAU. LAST WEEK AT THE TVA DEBATE, HE WAS ONE OF THE BESTS FRENCH SPEAKERS, THERE SURPRISINGLY, WITH YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET. THIS — AND THE TWO OTHER ONES, SCHEER AND SINGH, YOU KNOW, WERE A BIT SLOWER TO GETTING THEIR POINT ACROSS BECAUSE IT IS THEIR SECOND LANGUAGE. TONIGHT HE DOESN’T HAVE THAT ADVANTAGE. THE OTHER TWO WILL BE VERY COMFORTABLE, ELIZABETH MAY WILL BE VERY COMFORTABLE IN THEIR MOTHER TONGUE AND SO THAT TOO MIGHT MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT FOR Mr. TRUDEAU JUST TO DISTINGUISH HIMSELF, JUST TO LOOK MORE CONFIDENT THAN THE OTHER ONES BECAUSE HE WILL HAVE TO FACE OFF WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE COMFORTABLE ON STAGE.>>WHAT ABOUT THE WILD CARDS, MAXIME BERNIER AND YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET. HOW DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO FACTOR IN, MARIEKE?>>I THINK THAT’S THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTIONS, THAT’S HARD TO REALLY KNOW HOW IT WILL GO. WE’RE NOT USED TO SEEINGOO A DEBATE WHERE THE CONSERVATIVE LEADER IS BEING ATTACKED FROM BOTH SIDES AND SO I THINK THAT REALLY CHANGES THE DYNAMIC. I THINK IT AGAIN MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR THE LEADERS TO STAY FOCUSED. I THINK DISCIPLINE WILL BE SUCH A BIG PART OF THIS DEBATE FOR THE LEADERS BECAUSE THERE WILL BE ATTEMPTS TO DISTRACT THEM FROM YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET, FROM MAXIME BERNIER, BECAUSE THEY’RE NOT LOOKING FOR GOVERNMENTS, THEY ARE LOOKING TO GET NOTICED AND TO SCORE POINTS, RIGHT? SO THAT’S A DIFFERENT CALCULATION, IT’S A DIFFERENT GOAL. AND I THINK THE LEADERS, LIKE Mr. SCHEER, WILL HAVE TO STAY FOCUSED ON WHAT THEIR MESSAGE IS RATHER THAN ON COMBATING THOSE PEOPLE.>>AND IN MR. BERNIER’S CASE, MARIE, I MEAN, HE IS LASER-FOCUSED ON GETTING VOTES FROM THE CONSERVATIVES, RIGHT? IT’S NOT AS THOUGH HE’S TRYING TO PICK OFF FROM MANY OTHER PARTIES. HE WILL BE FOCUSED ON Mr. SCHEER.>>WELL, THEY WILL TRY TO TELL YOU THAT THEY CAN PICK VOTES ELSEWHERE.>>THEY WILL TRY.>>THEY ARE ALSO TRYING TO GET VOTES FROM PEOPLE WHO DIDN’T GO AND VOTE LAST TIME, SO NOT ONLY Mr. SCHEER’S VOTES, BUT I THINK IT’S SAFE TO EXPECT THAT HE’S MAINLY GOING TO TRY AND GO AFTER Mr. SCHEER BECAUSE IT AIDE’S KIND OF THE CLOSE OPPONENT TO HIS POLICY. BUT SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT MR. BERNIER MIGHT HAVE BIG DECLARATION AND MAKE A BIG COUP ON STAGE. I WOULDN’T EXPECT THAT BECAUSE I THINK HE’S CONSCIOUS IT’S HIS OTHER THAN CHANCE TO TALK TO ENGLISH SPEAKING VOTERS. HE DOESN’T GET MEDIA COVERAGE, HIS PRESS CONFERENCES WHEN HE HAS THEM ARE NOT ON THE WEB, ARE NOT ON TV AND THAT HIS ONLY CHANCE TO TELL PEOPLE THESE ARE MY POLICIES, NOT SCARE THEM OFF AND TRY AND GET MORE POOL INTO HIS MOVEMENT. AND SO I THINK HE WILL CITE SIZE Mr. SCHEER AND SAY HOW HIS PLATFORM IS BETTER BUT I WOULDN’T EXPECT IT TO BE AS COLOURFUL AS HIS TWITTER FEED.>>A FEW SECONDS LEFT, WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM THE VARIOUS WAR ROOMS ABOUT THEIR — THEIR PLAN FOR THE DEBATE? I WOULD ANTICIPATE A NUMBER OF EARLY VICTORY STATEMENTS WITH LOTS OF — I MEAN, THEY ARE READY, AT THE READY, YOU CAN HELP OUR VIEWERS UNDERSTAND, AS SOON AS SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING, EXPECT A PRESS RELEASE.>>THEY ARE PARADEDY, THEY ARE READY WITH WHAT THEY KNOW TO EXPECT. THE QUESTION IS HOW THEY HANDLE THE UNEXPECTED AND HOW THAT RIMS THROUGH THE DAYS AHEAD. IT’S NOT JUST HOW THE MESSAGE IS RECEIVED TODAY, BUT HOW IT’S REPORTED ON AND COVERED IN THE DAYS AHEAD THAT WILL REALLY DETERMINE WHO CAME OUT TRIUMPHANT IN THIS DEBATE.>>OKAY, I HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE, THANK YOU, BOTH OF YOU, APPRECIATE IT, THANKS TO MARIEKE WALSH AND MARIE VASTEL OF LEDEVOIR. WHAT DID THE PARTY LEADERS DO IN THE HOURS HIDING UP TO TONIGHT’S DEBATE? MOST OF THEM DEVOTED THE MAJORITY OF THE DAY TO DEBATE PREPARATIONS. SOME WERE OUT THIS MORNING, APPEALING TO VOTERS. HERE’S A ROUND UP OF THIS DAY 27 OF THE FEDERAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN.>>A LOT OF PARENTS ACROSS THE PROVINCE READ THE SIGH OF RELIEF KNOWING THEY WON’T HAVE TO FIND EMERGENCY DAYCARE TODAY BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGE WITH THE CUPE AND THE SUPPORT WORKERS, BUT THE REALITY IS THE CUTS THAT DOUG FORD HAS ALREADY BROUGHT IN TO EDUCATION ARE FOCUSED BEING FELT RIGHT ACROSS THE PROVINCE.>>LIBERAL LEADER JUSTIN TRUDEAU MET WITH TEACHERS THIS MORNING AFTER EDUCATION WORKERS REACHED A DEAL WITH THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT LAST NIGHT AVERTING A STRIKE AND SCHOOL SHUTDOWNS. TRUDEAU HAS SPENT A LOT OF THIS CAMPAIGN HAMMERING PREMIER DOUG FORD’S CUTS AND WARNING ONTARIANS AGAINST DOUBLING DOWN ON CONSERVATIVES. HE MADE THOSE REMARKS THIS MORNING IN OTTAWA, AT THE BOYS AND GIRLS’ CLUB.>>I’M LOOKING FORWARD TODAY FINALLY TO BE ABLE TO DEBATE JUSTIN TRUDEAU IN ENGLISH. HE HAS SKIPPED OUT ON TWO PRIOR DEBATES BECAUSE HE’S AFRAID TO DEFEND HIS RECORD. SO THAT IS WHAT I AM CONCENTRATING ON TODAY, SHOWING CANADIANS ARE POSITIVE PLAN FOR HOW THEY WILL GET AHEAD UNDER A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT, AND HOLDING UP JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S RECORD OF FAILURE.>>AHEAD OF TONIGHT’S DEBATE, CONSERVATIVE LEADER ANDREW SCHEER ALSO DID SOME CAMPAIGNING, HE ANNOUNCED THAT A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT WOULD MAKE ADMISSION FREE TO ALL NINE NATIONAL MUSEUMS. ACCORDING TO THE PARLIAMENTARY BUDGET WATCHDOG, THAT WOULD COWS ABOUT $21 MILLION A YEAR. SCHEER UNVEILED THAT PROMISE TODAY IN OTTAWA. OF COURSE ALL THE PARTY LEADERS ARE HEADING TO THIS VERY SPOT IN GATINEAU, QUEBEC, WHERE THEY WILL FACE OFF TONIGHT FOR THE OFFICIAL ENGLISH LANGUAGE DEBATE.>>YOU’RE WATCHING “POWER AND POLITICS” AT THE MUSEUM OF HISTORY, THE FEDERAL LEADERS DEBATE, SIX OF THOSE LEADERS ON STAGE IN JUST 50 MINUTES, WILL THEY STRIKE A POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE TONE AND WHAT IMPACT COULD THAT HAVE? TWO COMMUNICATIONS STRATEGISTLESS JOIN US RIGHT AFTER THIS. BACK IN A MOMENT. ♪ ♪ Various announcers: The National
Debate, live and in colour. Encounter 79. Live from Ottawa. Vassy: Debates have long been
a moment in the campaign for leaders to lay out their
promises and directly challenge their opponents in person
on a national stage. [applause] Now though,
we hear from leaders on the campaign
trail kind of every day, often live on TV
and social media. As one political
scientist put it, So can they change
the outcomes of elections? And how much do
debates matter anyway? ♪ ♪ Depending on who you talk
to and what you read, just how useful they are and
how much impact they can have – well it’s up for debate. Party strategists
will tell you they’re key. It’s really
important. A debate is a huge inflection
point in a campaign and continues to be so. I think debates
do influence voters. Academics have long been researching whether
that’s actually true. Often it depends
on the election. We can identify certain
debates that have had the impact on the bottom
line of voter intention. Most debates,
most of the time however, don’t have
discernible impact. Vassy: That’s Richard Johnston. He’s a political scientist at the University
of British Columbia. Other political scientists
agree, including Andre Blay of the University of Montréal. He says, Mr Mulcair has said
he doesn’t think we should be in this fight at all. ♪ ♪ Vassy: Debates may be the most
watched event during an election but political
scientists say the majority of
the population doesn’t tune in. And those who do are already
pretty engaged in politics. Richard: A large part
of that audience is just looking for confirmation. Now sometimes they could be looking for
a kind of reassurance. Vassy: In fact academics
also point out many people get their
information about the debate from how it’s condensed and news coverage
and on social media. Richard: So in fact
if you look at debates that do seem to change things, a lot of the change unfolds as
people learn about the debates in the news stream. [CHEERING] [CHANTING] [CHANTING] [CHEERING]>>Vassy: WELCOME BACK TO “POWER AND POLITICS.” WE ARE COMING TO YOU LIVE FROM THE MUSEUM OF HISTORY OVER IN GATINEAU, QUEBEC, WHERE SIX PARTY LEADERS AS YOU SAW IN THOSE IMAGE THERE IS HAVE ARRIVED AND WILL TAKE THE STAGE FOR THE OFFICIAL ENGLISH DEBATE IN THE BUILDING BEHIND ME. BASED ON THE FIRST 27 DAYS OF THIS CAMPAIGN, WHAT SHOULD CANADIANS EXPECT? DENIS MATTHEWS IS VICE PRESIDENT AT ENTERPRISE CANADA, HE SERVED AS AN ADVERTISING AND MARKETING ADVISER TO FORMER PRIME MINISTER STEPHEN HARPER, AND HE JOINS US FROM TORONTO. AND OVER IN OUR OTTAWA BUREAU, ELIZABETH DUBOIS IS AN ASSISTANT PROFESSOR IN THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNICATIONS, HERE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF OTTAWA. AND A FELLOW AT THE PUBLIC POLICY FORUM OF CANADA. HI TO BOTH OF YOU, GREAT TO SEE YOU.>>HI THERE.>>I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT YOU WERE ANTICIPATING TO START OFF. STRIKING THE BALANCE BETWEEN POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE MESSAGING, HOW DO YOU EXPECT LEADERS TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE IN WHAT WAY, I GUESS, PROFESSOR DUBOIS, I’LL START WITH YOU, TONIGHT IN THE DEBATE?>>NO, WE EXPECT WHEN THERE’S A TIGHT RACE LIKE THIS THAT NEGATIVE IS OFTEN GOING TO BE A STRONGER STRATEGY. TAKING YOUR OPPONENT DOWN UNFORTUNATELY BECOMES A WAY TO GAIN POINTS. IT’S A RISKY ONE BECAUSE YOUR CORE SUPPORTERS MIGHT BE WITH YOU BUT THE UNDECIDED VOTERS MIGHT BE TURNED OFF. BUT REALLY WE KNOW THAT IT’S THE POSITIVE CAMPAIGNING THAT GETS YOU THE MOST ONLILY WHEN YOU ARE REALLY FAR IN THE LEAD OR REALLY FAR BEHIND.>>DENIS, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THE BALANCE TO BE TONIGHT?>>YEAH, I THINK YOU WILL SEE A BALANCE OF BOTH. BUT WHAT YOU REALLY SHOULD LOOK TONIGHT AT IS THIS IS A KICK-OFF TO THE END OF THE CAMPAIGN AND FOR THE POLITICAL PARTIES THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBOOT THEIR MESSAGE. YOU’RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT OF LINES, BOTH POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE TONIGHT THAT SOUND LIKE THEY’RE WRITTEN BY ADVERTISING COPY WRITERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN. THEY’VE TESTED THESE LINES IN FOCUSING GROUPS AND RUSSIA AND THEY EVER GOING BE ROLLING OUT TONIGHT AND YOU WILL SEE A WAVE OF ADS OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS TO ELECTION DAY AND TONIGHT’S THE KICK-OFF OF THAT.>>LET ME FOLLOW-UP ON THAT. DO YOU THINK THAT THAT RESONATES WITH PEOPLE WATCHING? AND I’M ASKING BECAUSE I THINK THE NUMBER ONE AND I’M NOT SAYING IT’S INDICATIVE OF THE PUBLIC AT LARGE, BUT THE NUMBER ONE COMMENT THAT I GET FROM PEOPLE IS THAT THEY ARE HOPING TO HEAR MORE SUBSTANCE AND LESS TALKING POINTS. IS THERE A REASON THAT THEY HAVE TALKING POINTS? DOES IT WORK? DO YOU THINK IT WOULD RESONATE TONIGHT?>>I THINK IT’S A BIT OF A PRODUCT OF THE TIMES. THERE WAS AN ERA WHEN LEADERS DEBATES WERE SORT OF MUST VIEWING AND PEOPLE WOULD SIT DOWN MAYBE AS A FAMILY OR WITH A GROUP AND REALLY WATCH THEM AND COME IN WITH AN UNDECIDED MINDSET AND PICK A WINNER AFTERWARDS AND GO FROM THERE. YOU KNOW, FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, THE WORLD WE ARE IN TODAY, SOCIAL MEDIA DRIVEN, IT’S ABOUT CREATING MOMENTS AND MANUFACTURING MOMENTS AND TAKING CLIPS FROM TONIGHT’S DEBATE AND BEAMING THEM OUT TO BOTH, YOU KNOW, YOUR SUPPORTERS BUT ALSO UNDECIDEDS AND NOT JUST PRESS RELEASES OF CAMPAIGNS THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT, THEY WILL HAVE FACEBOOK AND INSTAGRAM AND OTHER ADS UP WITHIN HOURS OF THE EVENING. SO IT’S REALLY ABOUT CREATING MOMENTS AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT LEADS TO A LOT OF TALKING POINTS WHICH I KNOW PEOPLE DON’T LIKE BUT SORT OF THE REALITY OF MODERN CAMPAIGNING.>>NO, BUT YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT AND ELIZABETH, PROFESSOR DUBOIS, I’M WONDERING WHAT YOU THINK THE IDEA, OF COURSE, AND IT’S TRUE, THE NUMBERS BEAR IT OUT EVEN IN 2011 THAT PEOPLE DON’T ACTUALLY SIT THERE FOR THE FULL TWO HOURS WATCHING EVERY SECOND OF IT. IN FACT YOU HAVE ALMOST A MINUTE TO MINUTE AUDIENCE. SO IF THAT IS THE CASE, HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT IMPACTS THE WAY IN WHICH THESE LEADERS TRY TO DELIVER THEIR MESSAGE?>>ABSOLUTELY. AND WE KNOW THAT THAT’S NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT’S NEW WITH SOCIAL MEDIA, ALTHOUGH CERTAINLY, THE KIND OF WAY WE INTERPRET INFORMATION RIGHT NOW IS IMPACTING THAT. IT’S ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE THAT THERE’S A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO JUST DON’T HAVE POLITICS AS THEIR NUMBER ONE ISSUE. THEY AREN’T GOING TO COMMIT TWO HOURS OF THEIR EVENING TO T AND SO REALLY, THEY GET THEIR INFORMATION VIA THE NEWS CLIPS THAT THEY SEE OR THE THINGS THAT ARE SHAREABLE ON LINE. I EXPECT THAT WE’RE GOING TO SEE THE PARTY LEADERS EACH COMING OUT WITH THINGS THAT CAN EASILY SPREAD ACROSS THE INTERNET AND THAT CAN BE QUOTED BY JOURNALISTS.>>DENIS, HOW DO YOU THINK — YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT IN YOUR LAST ANSWER, BUT HOW DO YOU THINK THE ADS LOOK FROM HERE ON OUT? WHAT WOULD YOU IMAGINE THE STRATEGIES ARE AS FAR AS ADVERTISING GOES?>>YEAH, IT’S AN EXTREMELY CLOSE CAMPAIGN AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE BIG CAMPAIGNS, THE LIBERALS AND THE CONSERVATIVES. THEY ARE SAVING AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN UNTIL THE END OF A CAMPAIGN. OFTEN THEY WILL FIND SAVINGS AND OTHER PARTS, ACTUALLY THE TWO UNDERRUNS COST AND THEY PUT THAT ALL INTO ADVERTISING WITH THE RAMP UP RIGHT UNTIL ELECTION DAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN A CAMPAIGN THIS CLOSE, THE CAMPAIGNS THAT ARE GOING TO — THEY’RE GOING TO GO HARD AT EACH OTHER BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO SAY THINGS ABOUT THEIR OPPONENT THAT SOMETIMES ARE UNCOMFORTABLE BUT THAT’S WHAT MOVES NUMBERS AND WHEN YOU ARE IN THIS SORT OF FINAL DECISION-MAKING PHASE OF THE CAMPAIGN. SO I EXPECT TO SEE SOME NASTY STUFF BACK AND FORTH BUT I ALSO EXPECT TO SEE A REAL RAMP UP IN VOLUME, I THINK IT’S GOING TO BE HARD FOR A REGULAR CANADIAN, EVEN THOSE WHO DON’T FOLLOW POLITICS CLOSELY TO BE AVOIDING ADS, WHETHER IT’S ON THEIR PHONE, ON TV, RADIO, YOU KNOW, YOU NAME IT, IT’S GOING TO BE A REAL BOMBARDMENT RIGHT UNTIL ELECTION DAY.>>YEAH, YOU BROUGHT ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION, ELIZABETH, THAT POINT THAT YOU DREW, WHICH IS THAT NOT EVERYBODY IS AS EXCITEDDOR AS TUNED INTO POLITICS AS SOME OF US. HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT ADVERTISING BLITZ IMPACTING THEM? DOES IT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO REACH THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SO ACTIVELY ENGAGED?>>YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF THE CAMPAIGN, THE CLOSER WE GET TO ELECTION DAY, THE MORE THE STRATEGY MOVES FROM TRYING TO PULL NEW VOTERS IN TO ACTUALLY MAKING SURE THAT YOUR VOTERS, PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY SAID YES, I’M DEFINITELY GOING TO THE POLLS ACTUALLY GO AND DO THAT. AND SO WHILE WE WILL SEE THIS RAMP UP, IT’S REALLY GOING TO BE TARGETED AT THE PEOPLE WHO MOST OF THE PARTIES HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED AS LIKELY VOTING FOR THEM.>>THAT’S A REALLY GOOD POINT, DENIS. HOW DO YOU THINK THE SORT OF GET OUT THE VOTE FACTOR WILL IMPACT HOW THINGS PLAY OUT ESPECIALLY TOWARDS THE THANKSGIVING WEEKEND AND AFTER.>>OVERALL FOR THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN, SOME THINGS ARE SAYING THEY’RE NOT PAY CLOSE ATTENTION THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLUG IN AND START FOLLOWING. BUT FOR SPRAINS OF B CAMPAIGNS,T TO MOTIVATE. THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE, THEY NEED EVERYBODY THAT VOTED FOR HARPER LAST TIME AND MORE TO WIN. AND SO IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT PERSUADING PEOPLE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THIS PART OF THE CAMPAIGN WHERE YOU’VE GOT TO FIND WAYS TO EXCITE AND MOTIVATE YOUR PEOPLE. AND I THINK TONIGHT IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR, YOU KNOW, CANDIDATES NOT JUST TO SPEAK TO UNDECIDEDSES BUT TO ALSO GET THEIR OWN PEOPLE FIRED UP AND TURNED OUT.>>CIRCLING BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED AND THE DEBATE, ELIZABETH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT POSITIVE VERSE NEGATIVE MESSAGING, ONE OF OUR POWER PANELISTS TIM MURPHY WAS MENTIONING SOMETIMES THE PUBLIC, THE WAY IN WHICH THEY CONSUME OR OBSERVE SOMEBODY WHO GOES ON THE ATTACK TOO MUCH CAN BE JUST SORT AFTER QUOTE UNQUOTE MEAN PERSON, LIKE IT CAN BACKFIRE IF YOU — IF YOU GO TOO NEGATIVE. DO YOU THINK THAT’S TRUE?>>IT ABSOLUTELY IS TRUE. BUT WE HAVE A CAVEAT HERE. A LOT OF THE ADVERTISEMENTS PEOPLE ARE GETTING RIGHT NOW COME VIA SOCIAL MEDIA AND PEOPLE ARE REALLY, REALLY BAD AT IDENTIFYING THE SOURCE OF CONTENT WHEN IT’S ADVERTISING TO THEM VIA SOCIAL MEDIA. IF YOU CAN’T TIED FAI WHO’S SINNING IT YOU CAN’T HAVE THAT BACKLASH EFFECT ON THE SENDER. SO WE HAVE A BIT OF A WEIRD SITUATION WHERE THEY THERE MIGHT BE THE POSSIBILITY OF NEGATIVE ADVERTISEMENTSES GOING OUT THAT DON’T HAVE QUITE AS BIG OF BACKLASH EFFECT.>>ALL RIGHT, I HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO BOAT OF US, REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING, THANKS TO DENIS MATTHEWS AND ELIZABETH DUBOIS.>>LESS THAN AN HOUR TO GO, ACTUALLY LESS THAN 40 MINUTES TO GO BEFORE THE SIX PARTY LEADERS HIT THE STAGE AND IT GWYNETH DEBATE. THE CBC’S HANNAH THIBEDEAU WILL SET THE SCENE FOR US RIGHT AFTER THIS. ♪ ♪ We can identify certain
debates that have had the impact on the bottom
line of voter intention. Most debates, most of
the time however, don’t. Vassy: That’s Richard Johnston. He’s a political scientist at the University
of British Columbia. Be serious… Vassy: Johnston says
the 1988 debate is a rare example of when a debate can change
the outcome of an election. He says this exchange became the pivotal moment
of the campaign. I happen to believe
that you’ve sold us out. Vassy: John Turner was
behind in the polls. But during the debate he
stepped toward Brian Mulroney and questioned him
on the government’s free trade agreement
with the United States. Once a country
yields its energy… We have
not done it! Once a country yields
its agriculture. Wrong again. Once a country
opens itself up to a subsidy war
with the United States… Wrong again. ..then the political
ability of this country to sustain the influence of the United States, to remain
as an independent nation, that is lost forever. Mr Turner,
Mr Turner… Vassy: The PCs still
won the election but according to this paper in the British Journal of
Political Science the debate had a substantial and enduring impact
on the vote. The Liberals gained at
the expense of both the Conservatives and the NDP. ♪ ♪ Debates are very
difficult on incumbents. They tend to be
attacked by all sides and they have
something to defend. Nobody else really
has much to defend. Vassy: This is David Hurley. He chaired several Liberal
campaigns in the early 2000s. Leaders who aren’t as
well-known and challengers often have the most to gain. According to this study in the
1988 debates it was the party out of power who
benefited the most. Four years earlier things were
entirely different. Turner was the incumbent then. Mulroney went at him for
carrying out his predecessor’s partisan
appointments. Turner: Well, I told you
and told the Canadian people Mr Mulroney,
that I had no option. Mulroney: You had an option
sir to say no. And you chose to say yes to the old attitudes
and the old stories of the Liberal Party. Jason:
That Mulroney moment. Every time I want
inspiration about a debate I watch that moment because
it’s just so devastating. Vassy: This is Jason Lietaer. He managed
the war room for the Conservative Party during
the 2011 campaign. Mr Mulroney just went at him
with both barrels and essentially
sunk the campaign.>>WELCOME BACK TO A SPECIAL “POWER AND POLITICS” WHERE WE ARE LIVE ON LOCATION IN GATINEAU, QUEBEC, AWAITING THE LEADERS ENGLISH LANGUAGE DEBATE. MILLIONS ARE EXPECTED TO WATCH OR LISTEN IN JUST 36 MINUTES. TWO WEEKS, EXACTLY TWO WEEKS REMAIN BEFORE CANADIANS HEAD TO THE POLLS, WHICH MEANS FOR ALL OF THE PARTY LEADERS, THIS COULD BE THEIR LAST CHANCE TO MAKE A BIG IMPRESSION ON VOTERS. LET’S SET THE SCENE WITH THE CBC’S HANNAH THIBEDEAU. SHE’S OUTSIDE THE MUSEUM, HEY, HANNAH.>>VASSY.>>LOTS OF — LOTS OF SUPPORTERS, THERE AT LEAST A FEW MOMENTS AGO. THERE WERE A LOT. WHAT ARE YOUR IMPRESSIONS HAYING INTO THE DEBATE TONIGHT?>>YEAH, I THINK IT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING WATCHING LIBERAL LEADER JUSTIN TRUDEAU HEAD IN. HE HAD HIS POLICY PLATFORM IN HIS HAND AND I THINK THAT’S A MESSAGE TO CONSERVATIVE LEADER ANDREW SCHEER ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE HASN’T PUT HIS FULL PLATFORM AND COSTING OUT AS OF YET. HE SAID HE WON’T BE DOING THAT UNTIL THE ADVANCE POLLS ARE OPEN. SO THAT’S PROBABLY GOING TO BE BEFORE FRIDAY SOMETIME BEFORE WE SEE THAT. BUT IT MAKES IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO DEBATE HIS POLICIES WHEN ALL OF THEM AREN’T CURRENTLY OUT THERE AT THIS TIME. AS FOR ANDREW SCHEER, EXPECT HIM TO GO AFTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND HIS POLICIES A LOT MORE IN THIS DEBATE, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN I THINK WE SAW IN THE FRENCH DEBATE, THE TVA DEBATE LAST WEEK. HE’S GOING TO TRY TO SHOW THAT HE’S THE BETTER GUY TO KEEP MONEY IN YOUR POCKET, THAT’S HIS LINE THAT HE HAS BEEN SAYING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO JUSTIN TRUDEAU, I THINK EVERYBODY IS REALLY GOING TO BE GOING AFTER HIM, HIS POLICIES, BECAUSE HE DOES CURRENTLY HOLD THE ROLE OF PRIME MINISTER AND THAT’S WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE WANTS IN THIS ELECTION CAMPAIGN. SO HE’S GOING TO TRY TO COME OUT OF THIS UNSCATHED, I THINK, YOU KNOW, TRY TO JUST — KIND OF LIKE WHAT’S DID IN THE TVA DEBATE, TRY TO FEND OFF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WILL BE THROWN AT HIM. AS FOR ANDREW SCHEER, WE DID SEE IN THE TVA DEBATE THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING AFTER HIS POLICIES, WHEN IT CAME TO CLIMATE CHANGE, DIFFERENT ISSUES LIKE THAT. I STILL THINK WE WILL SEE PEOPLE LIKE ELIZABETH MAY ATTACKING HIM ON ISSUES LIKE THAT, BUT MOVING OVER TO NDP LEADER JAGMEET SINGH, AND GREEN PARTY LEADER ELIZABETH MAY, THEY ARE REALLY WRESTLING RIGHT NOW FOR THIRD PLACE IN THE POLLS. SO THAT WILL BE INTERESTING TO WATCH. I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO JAGMEET SINGH, HE HAS TO SHOW THAT THE NDP ARE STILL A VIABLE PARTY. SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING TO WATCH FOR. ELIZABETH MAY, I FOUND IT INTERESTING WHEN SHE WAS HEADING INTO THE DEBATES TONIGHT, I ASKED HER WHAT SHE WOULD BE FOCUSING ON AND SHE SAID SHE’S GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON CLIMATE, EVEN THOUGH SHE HAS THIS BIG POLICY PITCHES THAT SHE PUT OUT IN HER PARTY’S PLATFORM, I THINK SHE’S GOING TO GO BACK TO THE ROOTS OF WHAT HER PARTY REALLY STANDS FOR AND THAT IS TRYING TO MAKE ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGE. AND SHE SAID THAT’S WHAT SHE WOULD BE FOCUSING ON. BUT THERE ARE TWO OTHER PEOPLE ON THAT STAGE AS WELL. THERE’S THE BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS LEADER YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET. HE ARRIVED HERE TONIGHT AND FOR HIM IT’S INTERESTING BECAUSE HE’S NOT GOING FOR THE ROLE OF PRIME MINISTER, AND THIS IS AN ENGLISH DEBATE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ENGLISH SPEAKING QUEBECERS, BUT THE MAJORITY ARE THE FRENCH, THEY SPEAK FRENCH. SO HE REALLY PLAYED A BIG ROLE IN THE TVA DEBATE AND THIS ONE, I THINK HE CAN PRETTY MUCH SAY WHAT HE WANTS BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO THE FACT THAT HE REALLY ISN’T GOING FOR THAT ROLE OF PRIME MINISTER AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PPC LEADER, MAXIME BERNIER, HAD A CHANCE TO ASK HIM A QUICK QUESTION ON THE WAY IN AS WELL, AND WHAT HE WAS GOING TO FOCUS ON. HE WAS EXCITED THAT THIS WAS HIS FIRST CHANCE TO BE IN ONE OF THESE DEBATES, HE SAYS HE WANTS TO PITCH HIS POLICIES BUT I ALSO ASKED MIM WHAT’S THOUGHT OF LEADERS LIKE JAGMEET SINGH WHO DEPARTMENT FEEL THAT HE SHOULD EVEN BE ON THE STAGE BECAUSE HE DOESN’T CURTLY HOLD A SEAT IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS UNDER THE PARTY OF THE PEOPLES PARTY OF CANADA. HE SAID HE WOULD SHOW THEM ON THE STAGE TONIGHT. SO THERE’S GOING TO BE A LOT TO WATCH FOR TONIGHT. SIX PEOPLE ON THE STAGE. LOTS OF VIEWERS. HOWEVER, WHEN IT COMES TO A KNOCKOUT PUNCH, IT MIGHT BE KIND OF DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF THE TIME THEY HAVE.>>YEAH, WELL, IT WON’T BE EASY, THAT’S FOR SURE. THANKS, HEALTH. THAT’S OUR HANNAH THIBEDEAU OUTSIDE OF THE CANADIAN MUSEUM OF HISTORY. PARTY LEADERS HAVE SPENT HOURS PREPPING FOR TONIGHT’S DEBATE. HOURS MAYBE EVEN DAYS. HOW MUCH IS RIDING ON THEIR PERFORM MASSES, THE POWER PANEL WITH RACHEL CURRAN, TIM MURPHY, RACHEL CURRAN AND JOHN PAUL TASKER, WE’LL BE BACK TO DISCUSS JUST THAT RIGHT AFTER ♪ ♪ Turner: Once a country
opens itself up to a subsidy war
with the United States… Wrong again. ..then the political
ability of this country to sustain the influence of the United States, to remain
as an independent nation, that is lost forever. Mr Turner,
Mr Turner… Vassy: The most
devastating blows often happen when the target isn’t prepared for the shot. Remember this debate in 2011?
Jack Layton asked how Michael Ignatieff could expect to become
prime minister based on his attendance
record in the House. You know, most Canadians if
they don’t show up for work they don’t get a promotion. Vassy: Kathleen Monk is a
strategist who’s worked on federal election
campaigns for the NDP. We were prepared
for that night. We knew that Mr Ignatieff
would react well, that he was
fast on his feet. And it was devastating because
you could see Mr Ignatieff was like, “holy crap.
I didn’t see that coming.” And as soon as the debate ended there was an ad on television
with the same message. V/O: Ignatieff had the worst
attendance record of all 308 members of
Parliament. Not so great leadership. ♪ ♪ So that was obviously completely
coordinated and planned. Vassy: A spike in support
for the NDP happened around the time
of the debates, though there were other factors at play too. Those moments are what every
strategist is hoping for. And with social
media the capacity to distribute those moments and for a moment to really be seen by
an awesome number of people is much greater than it was
before – traditional media. And that’s why they say debate
prep is absolutely critical. Debate prep is like
going and sitting in the dentist chair
for a few hours. And I got to tell you nobody
likes to do it. Strategy is key. A few people are usually solely
assigned to debate prep and they will study the leaders, their strengths,
their weaknesses what topics might
get under their skin. and then they’ll prep a debate book filled with facts,
rebuttals and zingers [applause] And then you have the mock
debates, to give you an idea – this leaked video from Hillary Clinton’s
2016 debate prep shows her campaign manager playing
the role of Donald Trump. Clinton was practicing
how to avoid a hug. So you’ve got to make sure that
you’ve got role players who who are believable
and they’ve got to do a lot of preparation as well. That’s the other thing,
if they’re unprepared debate prep stinks.>>WELCOME BACK TO AN EXTENDED “POR AND POLITICS,” AS WE COUNT DOWN TO TONIGHT’S FEDERAL LEADERS DON’T. HERE AT THE CANADIAN MUSEUM OF HISTORY. OVER IN GATINEAU, QUEBEC. THE POWER PANEL WILL WITH US TO DO JUST THAT, TIM MURPHY, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF MCMILLAN VANTAGE. RACHEL CURRAN, FORMER DIRECTOR OF POLICY TO STEPHEN HARPER, NOW WITH HARPER AND ASSOCIATES. BRAD LAVIGNE OF COUNSEL PUBLIC AFFAIRS, AND OVER IN OUR OTTAWA BUREAU, THE CBC’S JOHN PAUL TASKER. THEY ARE ALSO STANDING BY TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS. IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE LEADERS DEBATES OR WHAT THE PARTY’S STRATEGIES CAN BE HEADING INTO A DEBALTSEVE LIKE THIS ONE. POST YOUR QUESTIONS ALONGSIDE OUR LIVE STREAM WHICH YOU WILL FIND ON FACEBOOK, YOUTUBE OR TWITTER AND WE’RE GOING TO TRY TO GET TO AS MANY QUESTIONS AS POSSIBLE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE SHOW. WE’VE ALREADY GOT A BUNCH OF THEM IN THROUGH INSTAGRAM. SO I’M GOING TO START WITH THESE. AND MANY OF THEM ARE BASED ON SORT OF LIKE THE SUBJECTS THAT YOU MIGHT ANTICIPATE OR MIGHT NOT ANTICIPATE. THIS IS AN INTERESTING ONE TO ME. FOREIGN — IT’S JAKE B 18 ON INSTAGRAM ASKS, FOREIGN POLICY AND HOW WILL YOU REPRESENT CANADA GLOBALLY. THERE IS A SECTION OF THIS DEBATE ABOUT CANADA’S POSITION IN THE WORLD. HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE VARIOUS LEADERS TO APPROACH THAT, TIM?>>WELL, I THINK IT’S — IT’S — I MEAN, ULTIMATELY, YOU’RE GOING TO BE MOSTLY I THINK THINKING ABOUT IT IN A DOMESTIC ISSUES CONTEXT DESPITE FACT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WILL BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT AUDIENCES DO I NEED TO APPEAL TO, FROM MY VOTER BASE, WHERE ARE THEY AND HOW DO THOSE ISSUES PLAY OUT IN THAT CONTEXT. SO, YOU KNOW, TRADE IS OBVIOUSLY POLE FOREIGN POLICY ISSUE, AND THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU TO SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, THE U.S. TRADE DEAL, THE EUROPEAN TRADE DEAL, AND TRADE AS PART OF A — YOU KNOW, A SUCCESSFUL ECONOMIC MANAGEMENT MESSAGE AND TO APPEAL TO THOSE VOTERS ABOUT THE PRETTY GOOD ECONOMY WE HAVE AND THE SENSE THAT HE’S, YOU KNOW, WE’VE GOT SOME GREAT ECONOMIC GROWTH, GREAT JOB NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, ALL ATTRIBUTABLE TO HIS — BUT THAT’S GOING TO BE –>>THANK YOU FOR THAT, YEAH. YEAH.>>BUT ULTIMATELY YOU DO THAT KIND OF THING IN THE CONTEXT AND IT WILL VARY. WE’RE GOING TO SEE — MAY SEE IMMIGRATION COME UP IN THAT FOREIGN POLICY CONTEXT, WEIRDLY ENOUGH. BUT THERE IS A BROADER ISSUE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW HOUR, CANADA POSITIONS ITSELF IN THE WORLD, WHO CAN BE A GOOD REPRESENTATIVE OF CANADA IN THAT WORLD AND HOW THAT PLAYS OUT. SO I THINK THERE WOULD BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ATTACKS IN THERE TOO.>>INTERESTING STRATEGY QUESTION HERE RACHEL FROM RAY JONES F A MINORITY GOVERNMENT HAPPENS FOR THE LIBERALS OR THE NDP, THEY SAY, WILL THERE WORK TOGETHER IN PARLIAMENT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR COUNTRY? I THINK THERE’S A QUESTION HERE AROUND GIVEN THE POLLS, JUST THE POTENTIAL FOR A IN MINORITY GOVERNMENT AND WHO IS INVOLVED HOUR IN POTENTIALLY MAKING THAT HAPPEN.>>THIS IS A REALLY FASCINATING QUESTION, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE WITH THE LIBERALS AND THE CONSERVATIVES SORT OF MIRED IN THE LOW 30’S, IF VOTERS ARE NOT WILLING TO GIVE EITHER PARTY A MAJORITY GOVERNMENT, THAT MEANS ONE OF THE OTHER PARTIES WE’RE SEEING UP ON STAGE, WHETHER IT’S THE NDP OR ARE THE GREENS OR EVEN THE BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS COULD BE HOLDING THE BALANCE OF POWER IN THE NEXT PARLIAMENT. AND SO THAT JOCKEYING FOR THIRD PLACE AND 4th PLACE EVEN IS GOING TO BE REALLY INTERESTING IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT DEBATE. HOW DO MINORITY PARLIAMENT WORK? STEPHEN HARPER RAN A MINORITY GOVERNMENT FROM 2006 UNTIL 2011. SO I HAVE HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH MINORITY GOVERNMENTS AND, YEAH, WE DO MAKE THEM WORK. THEY ARE NOT AS STABLE AS MAJORITY GOVERNMENTS OBVIOUSLY. YOU GOVERN ON AN ISSUE BY ISSUE BASIS. THERE’S LESS LONG-TERM PLANNING. BECAUSE YOU ARE ALWAYS PREPARING FOR A CAMPAIGN AT THE SAME TIME. BUT I EXPECT IT’S EITHER THE LIBERALS OR THE CONSERVATIVES ARE GIVEN A CHANCE TO FORM A MINORITY GOVERNMENT, YES, THEY WILL WORK WITH THE OTHER PARTIES, TO MAKE IT WORK, BECAUSE WE HAVE A HISTORY OF DOING THAT HERE AND I THINK THAT’S A GOOD THING.>>NOBODY LIKES TO FORCE ANOTHER ELECTION THIS SOON, EITHER. BRAD, LAURIE ASKS, LAURIE, PROBABLY PRONOUNCING ININCORRECTLY, I POOS USE, I WONDER WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE — THIS BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING DYNAMIC SO FAR, A LOT OF INTERSECTION BETWEEN PROVINCES, PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENTS, PROVINCIAL ISSUES AND THE FEDERAL CAMPAIGN.>>YEAH, AND I THINK IN EVERY FEDERAL ELECTION, YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE OF THAT CROSSOVER WHERE FOLKS GO TO THE BALLOT QUESTION IN A FEDERAL ELECTION TO WORK OUT A MATTER THAT THEY MAY BE UPSET WITH AT THE PROVINCIAL LEVEL. AND YOU CAN — YOU CAN SEE THAT. CERTAINLY IN A PLACE LIKE ONTARIO WHERE THE CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT, PROVINCIAL CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT IN ONTARIO IS HIGHLY UNPOPULAR, THAT’S MAKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES ELSEWHERE. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A QUEBEC GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW WHICH IS NOT PART OF — THE FEDERAL — THERE’S NO FEDERAL PARTY EQUIVALENT BUT YOU COULD CALL IT A SMALL C CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT, BUT — Mr. LEGAULT IS STILL — STILL QUITE POPULAR. SO IT — HARD TO SEE OR EVEN LIKE BRITISH COLUMBIA WHERE JOHN HORGAN IS STILL QUITE POPULAR. IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE THERE WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE BALLOT BOX IN THIS CAMPAIGN TO EXERCISE SOME DEEM MONDAY THERE IS. MAYBE IN THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO BUT THEN AGAIN YOU SEE TRUDEAU AND THE LIBERALS OUT THERE USING DOUG FORD ACE NAME, PREMIER DOUG FORD’S NAME QUITE OFTEN. THEY ARE REALLY TALKING I THINK BY AND LARGE TO FOLKS WHO ARE NONCONSERVATIVES ANYWAYS. BUT Mr. FORD HAS GONE INTO HIDING. HE CAN’T DO WHAT JASON KENNEY’S DOING FOR ANDREW SCHEER, SO MAYBE PUTTING HIM IN A HOLE IS HELPFUL TO THE NONCONSERVATIVE VOTE, BUT CERTAINLY –>>HE SAYS HE’S NOT IN HIDING. I’M GOING TO JUST PLAY THE DEVIL’S ADVOCATE. HE SAYS HE’S RUNNING THE PROVINCE.>>FROM A REMOTE –>>I TAKE YOUR POINT.>>Mr. FORD IS ALIVE AND WELL, I’M SURE HE S I’M SURE HE’S DOING GREAT.>>QUICK FINAL POINT JOHN PAUL TASKER, THE ONTARIO FACTOR IN THIS ELECTION IS A BIG ONE.>>OH, ABSOLUTELY. AND WE KNOW THAT DOUG FORD WHILE HE MIGHT NOT BE POPULAR WITH MANY PEOPLE IN ONTARIO, HE’S STILL DOING RELATIVELY WELL. I THINK HE HASN’T LOST MANY OF THE VOTERS THAT CAME OUT FOR HIM WHO ARE DIED CONSERVATIVES, SO ANDREW SCHEER DOES NEED THEM TO WIN. LET’S NOT FORGET, DOUG FORD WON THE PROVINCIAL OVERWHELMINGLY LAST YEAR. HE TOOK MANY SEATS THAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU WON IN 2015 BECAUSE WE KNOW PROVINCIALLY AND FEDERALLY THE SEATS OVERLAP THERE. SOS THERE IS THIS ODD — THIS WEIRD DANCE WE ARE HAVING RIGHT NOW WHERE THERE ARE SOME TRUDEAU-FORD SWITCHERS. I DON’T KNOW HOW TRUDEAU SPEAKS TO THEM IF AT ALL BECAUSE HE’S SLAGGED DOUG FORD THIS ENTIRE CAMPAIGN MENTIONING HIS NAME FAR MORE OFTEN THAN ANDREW SCHEER. I THINK THOUGH IT DOES COME DOWN TO THE CLIMATE QUESTION BECAUSE THERE’S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THIS BEING PERHAPS A LOW STAKES DEBALTSEVE, THAT THERE’S NOT REALLY A LAW ON THE LINE F Mr. SCHEER WINS, NOT A WHOLE LOT CHANGES. THE LIBERALS ARE TRYING TO PUSH BACK AGAINST THAT NARRATIVE SAY WEEING FACING THE EXISTENTIAL THREAT, THE EXISTENTIAL THREAT OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND WE HAVE A PLAN TO DO IT. PEOPLE LIKE DOUG FORD IN ONTARIO HAVE GIVING GIVEN UP ON THAT BUT WE’LL DO SOMETHING ON CLIMATE CHANGE. HE’S TRYING TO PRESENT HIMSELF IF YOU WILL OF THE CLIMATE SUPER MAN BUT TONIGHT YOU MIGHT FIND THAT JAGMEET AND ELIZABETH MAY ARE A CRYPT TO MITE.>>OKAY, WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK COMMERCIAL BREAK BUT WE HAVE A Q AND A WHO ARE WATCHING US ON LIFE. THE LIVE STREAM WILL CONTINUE FOR A FEW SECONDS DURING THAT BREAK AND WHEN WE COME BACK THE POWER PANEL WILL BE ANSWERING MORE OF YOUR QUESTIONS. KEEP SENDING THEM OUR WAY. BACK IN A MOMENT.>>WELCOME BACK TO A SPECIAL “POWER AND POLITICS,” WE’RE COMING TO YOU LIVE FROM THE CANADIAN MUSEUM OF HISTORY, JUST ACROSS THE RIVER FROM PARLIAMENT HILL. YOU ARE LOOKING AT A SHOT RIGHT NOW INSIDE THE ROOM WHERE THE DEBATE WILL TAKE PLACE, SOME OF THE MODERATORS ARE PRESENT, ACTUALLY ALL OF THEM. YOU’VE GOT DONNA FRIESEN ON THE LEFT, THERE’S OUR OTHER THAN ROSY BARTON, WE’VE ALSO DHAHRAN ROSEMARY BARTON, ALSO CTV ALLEGES LISA LaFLAMME, THE TORONTO STAR SUSAN DELACOURT AND HUFFINGTON POST SHIA RAJ. MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE STRUCTURE IS THAT EACH MODERATOR THEY WON’T BE ON STAGE TALL TOGETHER EACH MODERATOR WILL TAKE A SECTION. THE DEBALTSEVE, ENTIRE DEBATE HAS BEEN DIVIDED INTO DIFFERENT TOPICS, THEY’LL EACH TAKE A TOPIC, THEY WILL GET TO ASK A QUESTION AS WELL AS ON BEHALF A CANADIAN ONE OF THE 9,000 QUESTIONS ACTUALLY THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO THE ORGANIZATION’S PUTTING ON THIS DEBATE AND THEN THEY WILL ATTEMPT TO MODERATE THE DEBATE ON THAT TOPIC BETWEEN ALL OF THE VARIOUS CANDIDATES, I DON’T ENVY THEM. THAT’S A TALL TASK. WE ARE HERE WITH THE POWER PANEL TO TALK ABOUT JUST HOW TALL OF A AS IT THAT BEING IS, TIM, RACHEL, BRAD AND JP AND WE ARE TAKING YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEBATE, THE CAMPAIGN AND WHERE THINGS STAND RIGHT NOW. SO PLEASE SEND IN THOSE QUESTIONS, IF YOU’RE WATCHING ON OUR LIVE STREAM WHICH IS COMING TO YOU VIA TWITTER, YOUTUBE AND FACEBOOK. WE’VE GOT A GOOD QUESTION HERE, TIM, I WILL START WITH YOU AGAIN, COLIN CHAPIKA, MY APOLOGIZES IF I’M SAYING THAT WRONG, WHAT’S THE RISK OF BREAK INTERESTING SCRIPT AND CAN IT POTENTIALLY PAY OFF?>>GO QUESTION. SO THERE IS RISK, OBVIOUSLY, LOOK, AS WE WERE MENTIONING, PEOPLE PRACTICED FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, INCLUDING ACTUAL EXCHANGES, MOCK DEBATES, BUT THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT ACTUALLY BEING ON THAT STAGE IS YOU’RE — YOU KNOW, YOU ARE NOW OUT IN THE REAL WORLD AND YOU ARE DEALING WITH WHAT YOUR OPPOSITION IS BRINGING IN. SO, YES, YOU’VE GOT SOME SENSE OF WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY AND YOU DO WANT TO SAY IT, BUT YOU’VE GOT STUFF COMING AT YOU, YOU CAN’T PREDICT. AND SO THAT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY SOMETHING BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THAT — YOU COULD FALL FLAT IN YOUR FACE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE SAW THAT IN AN ANSWER WAY BACK IN ’84, WE REFERENCED THAT WHEN JOHN TURNER AT THAT POINT WAS TRYING TO DEFEND THE PATE NEW JERSEY APPOINTMENTS HE MADE AND MULRONEY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND SAID YOU HAD AN OPTION IN RESPONSE TO THE LINE THAT TURNER SAID WHICH HE DIDN’T HAVE AN OPTION AND THAT BECAME THE GREAT MOMENT AND SO — AND NOW THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, TIMES PEOPLE HAVE TRIED TO DO SOMETHING AND DIDN’T SUCCEED. LIKE WE DID IT IN — FOR PAUL MARTIN IN THE 06 LEADERS DEBATE, TRIED TO LAUNCH A POLICY THINK RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DEBATE AROUND THE NOTWITHSTANDING CLAUSE BECAUSE.>>OH, YEAH.>>BECAUSE WE KNEW WE WERE WAY BEHIND IN THE POLLS AND THE PUBLIC OPINION POLLS HADN’T CAUGHT UP DO THAT. AND SO IT WAS A BIT OF A HAIL MARY PASS AND IT WAS A RISK AND IT DIDN’T WORK IN THAT CONTEXT.>>RACHEL, BEETHOVEN ON INSTAGRAM ASKS A NUMBER OF CANDIDATES ON STAGE TONIGHT BETTER OR WORSE FOR DEMOCRACY?>>I THINK IT’S GOOD. LOOK, I KNOW LOTS OF CONSERVATIVES THINK THAT IT’S GOING TO BE TOUGH FOR ANDREW SCHEER TO HAVE MAXIME BERNIER UP THERE, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW HE’S GOING TO BE ATTACKING HIM FROM THE RIGHT TRYING TO PEEL OFF SOME CONSERVATIVE VOTERS BUT I THINK THE MORE VOICES WE HAVE PARTICIPATING IN OUR DEMOCRACY, THE MORE PERSPECTIVES WE HAVE, THE MORE PARTIES WE HAVE, PARTICIPATING IN THIS EXERCISE, THE BETTER. I MEAN, THE MORE — THE MORE OPTIONS VOTERS HAVE THE BETTER. I MEAN, WE HAVE BEEN — WE DO OPERATE ESSENTIALLY AS A TWO PARTY STATE AND OCCASIONALLY A THIRD PARTY GETS TO PLAY A ROLE IN A MINORITY PARLIAMENT, BUT I’M NOT SURE THAT — THERE ARE TRADEOFFS. YOU GET SOME STABILITY WITH THAT AND AN ABILITY TO CARRY OUT AN AGENDA IN A VERY EFFICIENT WAY BUT IS IT PARTICULARLY DEMOCRATIC, I THINK THERE’S AN ARGUMENT THAT EACTUALLY DO NEED A PLURALITY OF PARTIES AND A PLURALITY OF RACES AND SO I LIKE THE IDEAS OF HAVING ALL OF THESE CANDIDATES UP THERE.>>I FEEL LIKE BRAD MAYBE AGREES WITH SOME OF THAT.>>I WOULD AGREE WITH SOME OF THAT. BUT I THINK –>>YOUR EYEBROWS RAISED AND SMILES.>>THE ADVICE THAT RACHEL’S PROVIDING TO HER OWN PARTY. NOW, Mr. SCHEER IS HERE. WE SAW HIM GET OFF OF HIS BUS. AND — AND HEAD INTO THE — TO THE VENUE. BUT WHAT I HEAR A LOT IS THAT A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES AREN’T SHOWING UP FOR THE LOCAL DEBATES, AND THAT’S, YOU KNOW, SO I AGREEMENT YOU’VE GOT TO HAVE YOUR VOICES AND IF YOU WANT.>>IF YOU WANT A VOTE FROM YOUR NEIGHBOUR THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT, NO QUESTION. BUT ALSO IT’S AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT SHOWING UP AT THE LOCAL DEBATES, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THERE’S A LOT OF CANDIDATES OUT THERE, THEY HAPPEN TO BE FROM ONE PARTICULAR PARTY AND THIS SEEMS TO BE A PATTERN. WE SAW IT IN THE PROVINCIAL ELECTION IN ONTARIO LAST YEAR, WEATHER WHERE THEY JUST DON’T SHOW UP. AND THAT’S — THAT’S — THAT, I THINK, IS –>>THAT’S THE SAME CRITICISM THEY HAD FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU, NOT APPEARING FOR McLEANS AND MONK DEBATE. AND THIS ONE HE’S –>>[ [TALKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]>>JOHN PAUL TASKER, WHAT’S YOUR TAKE ON THE QUESTION AROUND GOING OFF SCRIPT FROM — FROM CALL AND THE POTENTIAL PAYOFF VERSUS DISADVANTAGE OR BACKLASH.>>AS I WAS SAYING EARLIER, I THINK ANDREW SCHEER HAS TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE HE’S STUCK IN THE MUD RIGHT NOW. IF HE’S STILL TIED WITH JUSTIN TRUDEAU AT 33 AND 33 AT NATIONAL POLLING HE’S GOT TO GO OFF THE LINES HE’S BEEN USING NOW. THEY HAVE TRIED TO TRANSLATE THE ENGLISH ATTACK LINES INTO FRENCH TO APPEAL TO A QUEBEC AUDIENCE, THAT DIDN’T WORK VERY WELL. I THINK ANDREW SCHEER HAS TO LET HIS GUARD DOWN A LITTLE BIT. HE HAS TO BE A LITTLE MORE FLUENT IN HIS SPEECH. I THINK HE HAS TO JUST PLAY WITH THE MOMENT, GO WITH THE FLOW. IF THERE’S AN OPPORTUNE TIME THAT COMES UP, TAKE TRUDEAU ON HEAD TO HEAD BECAUSE IT’S BETTER THAN JUST SITTING BACK AND USING. THINGS YOU’VE BEEN TRYING SO FAR WHICH FRANKLY HAVEN’T REALLY GOT HIM MUCH BEYOND WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE BASE LISTEN FOR THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY REALLY IS. WHICH IS IN THAT LOW 30’S. I THINK HE’S GOT TO TRY SOMETHING A LITTLE RISKIER, PERHAPS. I’M NOT SURE IT’S IN HIS NATURE, HE DOESN’T SEEM LIKE THE RISKIEST KIND OF GUY BUT HE MIGHT HAVE TO PUT ASIDE HIS BUTTONED UP DEMEANOR AND TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT TONIGHT TO KNOCK TRUDEAU OFF THE GAME. IF HE WANTS TO STOP THE TRUDEAU TRAIN, HE’S GOT TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT.>>BUT THAT’S EASY — BUT THAT’S EASY TO SAY, TOO, WHEN YOU ARE EXPERIENCED, AND I FEEL LIKE LATER IF YOU ARE WILLING TO TAKE THAT RISK OR BEST POSITION TO TAKE THAT RISK ARE ONES THAT HAVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DOING, THIS YOU KNOW, LEADERS LIKE ELIZABETH MAY WHO’S BEEN ON THAT DEBATE STAGE FOR I DON’T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS NOW.>>ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES SHUT OUT.>>BUT THE BIGGEST ASSET YOU CAN HAVE A FORUM LIKE THIS IS EXPERIENCE. SO THE LEADERS LIKE JAGMEET SINGH AND ANDREW SCHEER WHO HAVEN’T DONE THIS BEFORE ARE AT A LITTLE BIT OF A DISADVANTAGE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY’RE NOT TAKING TOO RISK FIRST TIME OUT.>>YOU KNOW WHO CAN TAKE RISK IS BLANCHET. HE’S GOT NOTHING TO LOSE. SO I ACTUALLY EXPECT, IT ALWAYS USED TO BE THE — YOU KNOW, THE — GILLES DUCEPPE ALWAYS WON THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE DEBATE. IT DIDN’T MATTER BECAUSE HE WON T EVERYONE LOOKED AT HIM, HE’S RELAXED, HE’S FUNNY, ENGAGE BEING. NOTHING TO LOSE.>>NOTHING TO LOSE.>>AS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THIS THE BACK ROOM, WAR ROOM, PREPPING LEADERS FOR THIS, YOU ALL MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE SHOW THE SIGNIFICANCE MUCH BEING CONFIDENT AND COMFORTABLE AND JUST THAT — ASPECT VERSUS JUST KNOWING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. HOW DO YOU HELP A LEADER GET TO THAT POINT WHEN THEY KNOW WHAT THEY’RE ABOUT TO FACE?>>WELL, THAT’S — SO I UNQUESTIONABLY HAVING DONE IT ONCE BEFORE MAKES A DIFFERENCE. SO YOU HAVE THAT — NOW, TO BE FAIR, A BUDGE OF THEM WENT THROUGH LEADERSHIP DEBATES AND ALL OF THAT BUT IT’S NOT QUITE THE SAME THING AND IT DEPENDS ON THE LEADER, TOO, RIGHT? IT’S SO — EACH LEADER HAS A WAY OF LEARNING STUFF AND HOW AND WHAT THEY DO TO BE COMFORTABLE. IT CAN BE HAVING PEOPLE AROUND, IT MAY BE HAVING NO ONE AROUND. THEY CAN GO OFF INTO THE ROOM, THEY’VE THEIR DEBATE BACH THEY READ THAT AND DON’T WANT ANYTHING ELSE. IT REALLY IS LEADER DEPENDENT BUT YOU NEED EVERYONE IN THE CAMPAIGN FOR THAT 12 HOUR DAY BEFORE IT STARTS, HIS FOCUS ON ONLY ONE THING. WHICH IS MAKING SURE THE LEADER ENTERS THAT ROOM FEELING COMFORTABLE.>>AND THERE IS THAT ROOM THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT ON THE CORNER OF YOUR SCREEN OR THE HALF OF YOUR SCREEN THERE. THAT IS WHERE IN 11 MINUTES AND 34 SECONDS, ALL 6 LEADERS WILL APPEAR, RACHEL, YOUR EXPERIENCE BASED ON THAT — IN THAT SITUATION, HOW DO YOU IMPART THAT LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE OR HELP BUILD IT IN A LEADER?>>YEAH, I AGREE WITH TIM THAT IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOUR LEADER IS BUT CERTAINLY FOR STEPHEN HARPER AND I THINK FOR MANY OTHER LEADERS IT’S COMFORT WITH CONTENT. SO Mr. HARPER WOULD SPEND MANY, MANY HOURS, DAYS, WEEKS, MASTERING ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS, AND ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP WAS AROUND FOREIGN POLICY. HE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT HE HAD DETAILED IN DEPTH ANSWERS TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT COULD COME UP ON ANY PARTICULAR TOPIC, FOREIGN POLICY OR OTHERWISE AND HE WOULD WANT TO GO THROUGH THOSE IN SOMETIMES EXVIEWER CRATING DETAIL WITH HIS STAFF WHO WERE PREPARING HIM FOR DEBATE. SO IT’S REALLY A COMFORT LEVEL WITH THE SUBJECT MATTER, SO THAT LEADERS FEEL LIKE THEY ARE EQUIPPED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION THAT COMES UP, AND THEY’RE NOT HAVING TO AD-LIB IN FRONT OF A CAMERA ON STAGE AND THEY KNOW — THEY KNOW WHERE THEY STAND ON EVERY ISSUE.>>BRAD?>>OH, LOTS — LOTS OF MATERIAL THERE. IN TERMS OF GETTING THE CANDIDATE TO BE COMFORTABLE. SO WE — YOU KNOW, WE — WE RAN THE GAMUT WITH JACK LAYTON, HIS FIRST FEDERAL LEADERS DEBATE WAS IN 2004 AND OF COURSE THE LAST ONE WAS IN 2011. AND THE PREPARATION, WERE FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENTMENT BACK IN THE EARLY ONE, WE WANTED TO GET POLICY DEPTH, MAKE SURE HE’S COMFORTABLE WITH ALL OF THE MATERIAL SO WE HAD BINDERS AND STUDY, CRAM. OF COURSE HE GOES ON THAT TO THAT DEBATE, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WATCHING, WASN’T A VERY STRONG PER STORM MANSE, WE PICKED UP FIVE NEW SEATS. BY THE TIME 2011 CAME, WE SAY LET’S THROW OUT THE BIN LADENNER AND JUST GET YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE FORMAT, KNOW HOW ARE UP AGAINST — TWO MINUTES WITH Mr. IGNATIEFF, CUMINS WITH Mr. HARPER, THAT’S BASICALLY THE FORM 6th FORMAT. THIS MADE ALL THE WORLD OF DIFFERENCE.>>YOU’RE LOOKING RIGHT NOW AT ALL OF THE LEADERS. THIS IS A SO-CALLED PHOTO-OP PRIOR TO THE ACTUAL START OF THE DEBATE. I BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE — I’M NOT SURE IF EXACTLY — I KNOW Mr. TRUDEAU AND Mr. SCHEER ARE NEXT TO EACH OTHER IN THE DEBATE IN THE ACTUAL POSITIONING, BUT WE’LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT IN ABOUT 9 MINUTES. YOU’VE ELIZABETH MAY, JUSTIN TRUDEAU, THERE ANDREW SCHEER, MAXIME BERNIER, YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET, AND JAGMEET SINGH. AND THERE 24th ARE WAVE TOGETHER AUDIENCE AND TAKING A PICTURE. I’M SORRY I INTERRUPTED YOU, BRAD.>>NO PROBLEM, THAT’S FAIR ENOUGH. I MEAN, THAT’S — THEY ARE ALSO — THEY ARE ALSO PRETTY IMPORTANT.>>YEAH, YEAH, THEY ARE. WHAT ARE THOSE MOMENTS FEEL LIKE, I IMAGINE?>>THOSE ARE –>>PRETTY NERVE RACKING.>>SO IN THE 2014 PROVINCIAL DEBATES, YOU HAD KATHLEEN WYNNE’S FIRST AS A PREMIER, TIM HUDAK, AND ONE OF THE WORD THINKS ARE THINGS WAS THEY PUT THEM OUT INTO THAT — YOU PULL THEM OUT OF THE COCOON IN THE BACK ROOM AND THEY PUT THEM OUT THERE AND THEN THERE WAS THE THREE OF THEM AND THE MODERATOR SAT FOR LIKE TEN MINUTES BEFORE THE SHOW STARTED WITH KNOWN NO ONE ELSE AROUND AND SUDDENLY YOU COULD SEE EXACTLY THE NERVE LEVEL RISING.>>UNCOMFORTABLE.>>AND SO IN THE NEXT — WE JUST SAID THERE’S — THAT IS NOT HAPPENING. LIKE, IT WAS JUST –>>ONE QUICK STORY, JUST ON WHAE COMFORTABLE, YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE CANDIDATE AND THE CANDIDATE HAS TO GET A COUPLE UNDER THE BELT. 2004 DEBATE, BACK WHEN THE DAY WHEN MOST PEOPLE CARRIED BLACKBERRIES, WHAT JACK WOULD DO IS HE WOULD SAY TO HIS — HE HAD A BUDDY OUT IN TORONTO AND HE WOULD SAY, WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT ME ON THE TV AND I’M AT THE DEBATE AND I’M NOT SMILING, SEND ME A QUICK TEXT MESSAGE, VIBRATE ON MY — ON MY — ON MY BELT, AND I WILL — IT WILL REMIND ME TO SMILE. HE’S THINKING OF ALL OF THESE THINGS IN HIS HEAD. IT TURNS OUT WE’RE WATCHING THE 2004 DEBATE, AND Mr. LAYTON HAS HISth — THIS SMILE ON HIS FACE THE WHOLE 90 MINUTES. AND HE COMES OFF THE STAGE AND WE SAID, JACK, WHAT WAS THAT? HE SAYS, WELL, I KEPT GETTING TEXTS FROM MY FRIEND WHO TOLD ME TO KEEP SMILING WHEN HE TEXTED ME. TURNS OUT THOUSANDS OF CANADIANS WERE SENDING HIM MESSAGES OF CONGRATULATIONS, DON’T FORGET TO MENTION TRANSIT, ALL OF THE ADVICE THAT PEOPLE WERE GIVING HIM IN REALTIME. SO WE LEARNED, WE LEARNED QUICKLY ON THAT ONE. BLACKBERRY STAGE, BACKSTAGE.>>THERE IS NO MORE BLACKBERRIES. JP, LET’S GET BACK TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE’RE GETTING FROM OUR AUDIENCE MEMBERS. AS A CANADIAN GUN OWNER, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT PARTY MEMBERS WILL DO TO PROTECT LEGAL CANADIAN GUN OWNERS AND OUR RIGHTS. SORT OF AN ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN AROUND THIS CAMPAIGN, ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE SORT OF CLEAVAGE ISSUES BETWEEN THE LIBERALS AND THE CONSERVATIVES PARTICULARLY WHO HAVE BOTH BEEN USING IT TO INFORM THEIR RHETORIC.>>YEAH, SO OBVIOUSLY THE LIBERALS ARE FLOATING THE IDEA OF BANNING HANDGUNS. THEY’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT NOW FOR MONTHS. A NATIONWIDE SURVEY, THEY COMMISSIONED SOME POLLS AND THEY FOUND OUT THERE’S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SUPPORT ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR A MANNED GUN BAN SOY THEY ARE GOING FOR THE NEXT BEST OPTION IN THEIR EYES TO HAVE SOME CRED WITH GUN CONTROL PHOTOS. THEY’RE GOING TO BAN ASSAULT STYLE CHRYSLER NOT DEFINING CANADIAN LAW BUT THAT’S BESIDES THE POINT. THEY WILL GO AHEAD WITH THIS. OF COURSE THE CONSERVATIVES HAVE SAID THAT ANY OF THESE LIBERAL PLANS DON’T DO A WHOLE LOT BECAUSE OF PEOPLE WHO COMMIT GANG CRIME ARERA THE GANG MEMBERS AND IF YOU ARE JUST GOING AFTER LAW ABIDING GUN HOLDERS THAT’S NOT GOING TO CHANGE MUCH. JUSTIN TRUDEAU HAS USED THIS LINE TIME AND TIME AGAIN TO SAY TRUST LIBERALS TO DO SOMETHING ON GUNS AND ANDREW SCHEER WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ON THIS ISSUE. BUT Mr. SCHEER’S, LISTEN, WHAT WE REALLY HAVE TO DO IS STRENGTHEN THE LAWS. LET’S TAKE A TOUGH ON CRIME APPROACH TO KEEP GANG MEMBERS IN PRISON LONGER SO THEY’RE NOT ON THE STREETS TO USE THESE GUNS. SO THE LIBERALS ARE ALSO FEELING SOME PRESSURE FROM JAGMEET SINGH IN THE NDP. THE NDP HAS PROPOSED GIVING MUNICIPALITIES MORE POWER, SO INDIVIDUAL CITIES CAN ENACT THEIR OWN LAW, TURNS OUT A LIBERAL PLATFORM THEY ARE DOING EXACTLY THAT. PERHAPS ANOTHER INSTANCE OF THE LIBERALS CRIBBING FROM THE NDP PLAYBOOK, WE’VE SEEN THAT BEFORE IN MANY CAMPAIGNS. BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WHERE YOU SEE A STARK DIVIDE. AND THE CAUCUS ESPECIALLY, IN THE LIBERAL CARCASS THERE ARE RURAL LIBERALS WHO HAVE TO BE REELECT WHO HAD ARE NERVOUS ABOUT THE PARTY GOING TOO FAR ON GUNS BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE, THERE ARE 3 MILLION CANADIAN FIREARMS OWNERS THIS COUNTRY, SO MANY PEOPLE REALLY TAKE THIS ISSUE TO HEART, THEY ARE REALLY MOTIVATED BY THIS AT THE BALLOT BOX.>>OKAY, FIVE MINUTES, AND 30 SECONDS ABOUT LEFT TO GO UNTIL THIS DEBATE BEGINS. TIM, IF YOU WERE TO IDENTIFY ONE SPECIFIC THING THAT YOU THINK — THAT YOU WILL BE WATCHING FOR, THAT THE VIEWERS SHOULD BE WATCHING FOR, WHAT WOULD IT?>>SO I — SO I THINK IT IS AN ARTICULATION BY JUSTIN TRUDEAU OF WHY PEOPLE SHOULD VOTE FOR HIM. AND THAT’S GOING TO BE A THEME OF THE GOVERNMENT, THE THEME OF THE NEXT GOVERNMENT, AND IT’S PROBABLY GOING TO BE BUILT AROUND A MIXTURE OF RE-ELECTION ON CLIMATE CHANGE, COMPARED TO THE CONSERVATIVES, AN ECONOMIC RECORD THAT’S PRETTY GOOD, AND CONTINUING INVESTMENTS IN USING GOVERNMENT TO ENHANCE AFFORDABILITY AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, DIMINISHING GOVERNMENT AND THE, YOU KNOW, CUTTING TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY. AND SO I EXPECT THOSE TWO ISSUES AND THAT FRAMING TO BE KIND OF WHAT HE COMMUNICATES TO START THAT KIND OF BUILD BOTH TO FRAME ELECTORAL QUESTION BUT THEN ALSO TO START BUILDING SOME POSITIVES TO CREATE SOME ENTHUSIASM TO VOTE FOR HIM AS OPPOSED TO JUST A NEGATIVE CAMPAIGN.>>RACHEL, ONE THING YOU ARE WATCHING FOR?>>YEAH, I WOULD WATCH FOR THE SAME SORT OF TWO TRACK APPROACH FROM ANDREW SCHEER. HE’S GOING TO BE GOING AFTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU ON HIS RECORD OF BROKEN PROMISES AND ENDLESS SCANDAL AND, YOU KNOW, AND INABILITY FOR CANADIANS TO FEEL LIKE THEY’VE GOTTEN AHEAD IN ANY RESPECT UNDER HIS GOVERNMENT, SO HE WILL DO THAT MORE NEGATIVE TRACK VIS-A-VIS JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND THEN WE’LL LAY OUT HIS MORE POSITIVE PLAN TO LOWER TAXES, TO MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE, YOU KNOW, TO — TO SET UP SUSTAINABLE SOCIAL PROGRAMS OVER THE LONG-TERM. AND HE WILL BE RUNNING BOTH OF THOSE TRACKS AT THE SAME TIME. IT’S A REALLY FINE BALANCE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. YOU DON’T WANT TO BE TOO NEGATIVE, THAT TURNS OFF VOTERS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE TO LANDED SOME PUNCHES ON YOUR OPPONENT AS WELL. SO I WOULD WATCH FOR THAT, TWO TRACK APPROACH FOR Mr. SCHEER.>>Mr. RAVINES YOUR WATCHING FOR WHAT?>>WHETHER Mr. SINGH HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEFINE THE BALLOT QUESTION AS HE SEE IT IS FOR HIS TARGET AUDIENCES. ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. WE’VE HAD FOUR YEARS OF DISAPPOINTING TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT, PRIOR TO THAT WE HAD THE CONSERVATIVES. DON’T WANT TO GO BACK TO THE CONSERVATIVES, BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT HE’S A DIFFERENT KIND OF LEADER, I THINK HE’S — HE’S GOING TO SHOW THAT. THE AUTHENTICITY FACTOR WE WERE TAKING ABOUT EARLIER, PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT JAGMEET SINGH DIFFERENTLY AT THIS STAGE OF THE CAMPAIGN, TONIGHT’S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO KEEP THOSE EYES ON HIM, LET THAT AUTHENTICITY COME THROUGH AS TO WHY HE WANTS TO BECOME PRIME MINISTER. AND KEEP YOUR EYE ON TRUDEAU. DON’T GET DISTRACTED WITH THE FOLKS WHO ARE BEHIND YOU, ALWAYS KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE ONE THAT YOU WANT TO REPLACE AND THAT’S JUSTIN TRUDEAU.>>JP? THAT ARE YOU WATCHING FOR? ONE THING?>>I’M EXPECTING A SLUG FEST BETWEEN ANDREW SCHEER AND JUSTIN TRUDEAU. I THINK JUSTIN TRUDEAU WILL SPEAK FOR MOST OF THE DEBATE ABOUT CLIMATE BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE HAS TO PULL AWAY SOME OF THOSE VOTERS WHO HAVE FOUND A HOME IN THE GREEN PARTY AS OF LATE, HE WANTS THEM TO COME BACK INTO LIBERAL FOLD. I THINK THE TRUDEAU TRIES TO STAY PRIME MINISTERIAL, STAY ABOVE THE FRAY BUT REALLY PONY IN ON Mr. SCHEER IN PARTICULAR.>>OKAY, I HAVE PROBABLY ONLY ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT. BIGGEST — WE’VE GONE OVER BIGGEST CHALLENGES, TAKE YOUR — AGAIN YOUR PARTISAN HAT OFF. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE BEST QUALITY ANDREW SCHEER BRINGS TO THIS DEBATE WILL BE?>>SO –>>BASICALLY.>>YEAH, SO I THINK IT IS — I THINK HE SHOULD TRY AND CAPTURE THE REGULAR GUY, YOU KNOW, FRAMING FOR HIMSELF, RIGHT? AND — AND I THINK THAT MEANS HE’S GOT TO BE — HE’S GOT TO SHOW A CHARACTER THAT’S CONSISTENT WITH THAT, AND I THINK IT MEANS STRING SOME OF THE POLITICAL REACTION THAT HE’S HE USES AND GO BACK TO BEING A REAL HUMAN AND HAS A STORY AND A BACKGROUND AND I THINK IF HE DOES THAT, HE CAN BE SUCCESSFUL.>>THAT WAS HARDLY A COMPLIMENT.>>OKAY, OKAY, THEN YOU CAN — YOU CAN CORRECT IT. [TALKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]>>SO LOOK, I THINK HE’S A GREAT PERFORMER. JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S A GREAT PERFORMER. HE’S GOING TO HAVE PREPARED FOR THIS DEBATE FOR AGES, HE WILL HAVE ALL OF HIS SCRIPTED LINES PERFECTLY. HE WILL HAVE A TOUCH OF EMOTION WHERE APPROPRIATE SO I THINK HE WILL PUT ON A GOOD PERFORMANCE. I DON’T EXPECT ANDREW SCHEER TO GET MUCH TRACTION IN TERMS OF ANY CRACKS IN THE FACADE. SO LOOK, JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS A — HE’S BEEN WORKING HARD TO PREPARE FOR THIS DEBATE AND I THINK THAT WILL SHOW.>>LET’S START — YOU CAN PICK — YOU CAN PICK WHO YOU WANT. SHEER SHIRE — NOT JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, BUT –>>IF TRUDEAU –>>IF THIS DEBATE IS UNLIVELY AND RELATIVELY FORMULAIC, TRUDEAU WINS. HE WANTS THIS TO BE MORE OF A NONEVENT THAN THE OTHERS DO. IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, JAGMEET SINGH AND ANDREW SCHEER’S THEY NEED TO MAKE TONIGHT WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION FOR THEIR TARGET AUDIENCE.>>WELL, YOU’VE GIVEN US LOTS TO WATCH FOR THIS EVENING. THANK YOU EVERYONE, THANKS TO OUR PEOPLE WHO SEND IN YOUR QUESTIONS AND THANKS ELSE TO THE POWER PANEL FOR ANSWERING, ARE THEM, TIM TIM, RACHEL CURRAN, BRAD LAVIGNE AND JP TASKER. WE ARE 34 SECONDS INTO — AWAY FROM THIS DEBATE AND THAT IS IT FOR THIS SPECIAL EDITION OF “POWER AND POLITICS,” I’M VASSY KAPELOS, WE’LL OF COURSE ALSO BE BRINGING YOU THE LEADER DEBATE AS WELL FOR TWO HOURS AND THEN THE NATIONAL WILL BRING YOU ALL OF THE POST DEBATE ANALYSIS. STAY WITH US, HAVE A GREAT EVENING AND ENJOY THE DEBATE. [♪♪♪] [♪♪♪] [♪♪♪] CANADIANS WILL DECIDE WHO TO INVITE OR INVITE BACK TO THIS PLACE. PARLIAMENT HILL. THE HOUSE OF COMMONS. [ ♪♪ ]>>Announcer: FOR 27 DAYS, THE SIX MAIN PARTY LEADERS HAVE BEEN TRAVELLING THE COUNTRY, MAKING PITCHES AND PROMISES. TONIGHT, THEY WILL DEFEND AND DECONSTRUCT THEIR IDEAS LIVE. LIBERAL LEADER JUSTIN TRUDEAU. CONSERVATIVE LEADER ANDREW SCHEER. N.D.P.’S JAGMEET SINGH. ELIZABETH MAY OF THE GREEN PARTY. BLOC QUEBECOIS YVES-FRANCOIS BLANCHET. AND MAXIME BERNIER OF THE PEOPLES PARTY. THEIR GOAL TO CONVINCE YOU TO GIVE THEIR PARTY THE VOTE. THE MODERATORS ARE FIVE OF THE MOST RESPECTED POLITICAL JOURNALISTS. THE SETTING IS ONE OF CANADA’S MOST REMARKABLE INSTITUTIONS. THE MUSEUM OF HISTORY IN GATINEAU, QUÉBEC. THIS IS THE DEBATE. HERE ARE YOUR LEADERS. [APPLAUSE] WELCOME TO THE 2019 LEADERS DEBATE. I’M LISA LA FLAME AND I’M ONE OF THE MODERATORS TONIGHT. THE AUDIENCE IS MADE UP OF MOSTLY UNDECIDED VOTERS, SO THEY’RE RIGHT AT THE HEART OF THIS IMPORTANT NIGHT. ONE NOTE, HOWEVER, WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO HOLD BACK THEIR APPLAUSE THROUGHOUT THE DEBATE TO KEEP THINGS MOVING. AND JUST A COUPLE MORE THINGS TO NOTE BEFORE WE GET STARTED. WE’RE GOING TO TACKLE FIVE MAJOR THEMES TONIGHT BASED ON THE QUESTIONS CANADIAN VOTERS WANT ASKED AND DEBATED. THERE WERE MORE THAN 8,000. SO THE THEMES TONIGHT REFLECT THOSE QUESTIONS. THE LEADERS WILL ANSWER THEM BASED ON AN ORDER SELECTED IN A RANDOM DRAW. WE ALL WANT A MEANINGFUL DEBATE TONIGHT. VIEWERS WANT ANSWERS SO THE LEADERS HAVE ALL AGREED TO RESPECT THE TIME THEY ARE ALLOWED TONIGHT. AND BELIEVE ME, WE WILL ALL MAKE SURE THEY DO. OUR FIRST THEME IS LEADERSHIP IN CANADA AND THE WORLD AND OUR FIRST QUESTION FROM REAGAN LI, RIGHT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.>>GOOD EVENING, LEADERS. MANY CANADIANS HAVE FELT THE IMPLICATIONS OF A DIVIDED WORLD MORE SO THAN 2015, FROM U.S. PROTECTIONISM TO BREXIT TO OUR GROWING TENSIONS WITH CHINA. AS PRIME MINISTER, HOW WOULD YOU EFFECTIVELY DEFEND BOTH THE INTERESTS AND VALUES OF CANADIANS ON THE WORLD STAGE? THANK YOU.>>Lisa: REAGAN, THANK YOU FOR THAT. MR. TRUDEAU, YOU ARE FIRST TO RESPOND. 45 SECONDS.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): THANK YOU, REAGAN FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND THANK YOU, ALL, FOR JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY AND COMPARE AND CONTRAST THE VARIOUS PLANS WE HAVE. WE KNOW WE LIVE IN A VERY CHALLENGING TIME RIGHT NOW. PROTECTIONISM TO FEAR-BASED POLITICS, TO THE TRANSFORMATIVE TECHNOLOGICAL CHANGE PEOPLE ARE FACING. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT CANADIANS ARE EQUIPPED AND TOOLED TO BE ABLE TO SUCCEED IN AN UNCERTAIN WORLD AND THAT’S WHY WE’VE VESTED DIRECTLY IN CANADIANS TO HAVE THE TOOLS TO SUCCEED. WE KNOW THE ENVIRONMENT IS A MASSIVE AND PRESSING CHALLENGE AND BUILDING A STRONGER ECONOMY FOR THE FUTURE MEANS PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE FUTURE AS WELL. THESE ARE THE THINGS WE’RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.>>Lisa: THANK YOU FOR THAT.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): THANK YOU. WE ARE THE PEOPLE’S PARTY AND WE PUT CANADA FIRST. THE OTHER LEADERS ON THIS STAGE ARE GLOBAL LEADERS. THEY SPEND YOUR MONEY TO BUY A TICKET AT THE U.N. COUNCIL AND ALSO THEY ARE GIVING YOUR MONEY TO OTHER COUNTRIES TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE IN ASIA AND BUILD ROADS IN AFRICA. THE U.N. IS A DYSFUNCTIONAL ORGANIZATION AND WE MUST BE ABLE TO FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY. ACTUALLY, WE ARE THE ONLY PARTY THAT WILL HAVE FOREIGN POLICIES THAT IS BASED ON OUR SECURITY AND PROSPERITY FOR OUR COUNTRY.>>Lisa: THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY FOR MR. SINGH TO RESPOND.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): THANK YOU, REAGAN, FOR THE QUESTION. IT’S TOUGH TO ASK QUESTIONS IN FRONT OF A BIG CROWD. THANK YOU, CANADA FOR TAKING PART IN THE DISCUSSION. TO ME, LEADERSHIP IS ABOUT WHO YOU’RE FIGHTING FOR. THE CHOICES YOU MAKE. AND WHETHER YOU’RE DOING WHAT IS RIGHT FOR PEOPLE. AND WHETHER IT COMES TO INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS, STANDING UP TO TRUMP, MAKING SURE WE FIGHT TO BUILD A BETTER TRADE AGREEMENT THAT ACTUALLY PUT CANADIANS FIRST. FOR ME, THE QUESTION REALLY COMES DOWN TO, DO YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO STAND UP TO THE POWERFUL AND WEALTHY INTERESTS, THE CORPORATIONS THAT ARE HAVING TOO MUCH INFLUENCE OVER CANADA? AND I’VE SEEN SO FAR IN OTTAWA, WHETHER IT’S LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENTS, THEY HAVEN’T HAD THE COURAGE TO STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR PEOPLE. WE’RE DIFFERENT. WE’RE IN IT FOR YOU. I DON’T WORK FOR THE RICH AND POWERFUL, I WORK FOR THE PEOPLE.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THANK YOU. I WILL ALWAYS STAND UP FOR CANADA AND CANADIAN INTERESTS AND PROMOTE FREE TRADE AND DEFEND OUR INTERESTS AROUND THE WORLD, BUT JUSTIN TRUDEAU ONLY PRETENDS TO STAND UP FOR CANADA. HE’S VERY GOOD AT PRETENDING THINGS. HE CAN’T EVEN REMEMBER HOW MANY TIMES HE PUT BLACKFACE ON BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER, HE’S ALWAYS WEARING A MASK. HE PUTS ON A RECONCILIATION MASK AND FIRES THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE FIRST ONE OF INDIGENOUS BACKGROUND. HE PUTS ON A FEMINIST MASK AND FIRES TWO STRONG M.P.s FOR NOT GOING ALONG WITH HIS CORRUPTION. HE PUTS ON A MIDDLE CLASS MASK AND RAISES TAXES. YOU’RE A PHONEY, AND A YOU’RE FRAUD AND YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO GOVERN THIS COUNTRY.>>Lisa: THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY LATER IN THE OPEN DEBATE TO DEFEND EACH OTHER. MS. MAY, IF YOU’D LIKE TO ANSWER REAGAN’S QUESTION.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION, IN CONTRAST TO WHAT WE JUST HEARD. WE’RE ON THE TERRITORY OF ALGONQUIN PEOPLE, TO THEM, MIIGWECH. WE HAVE A HISTORIC REPUTATION FOR BEING AN HONEST BROKER. FOR A COUNTRY THAT STANDS UP FOR MULTILATERALISM. WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO MEET THE SUSTAINABLE GOALS. ENCOURAGING THE EDUCATION OF WOMEN AND GIRLS. THAT’S A CORNERSTONE. ON TOP THAT, WE NEED TO RENEGOTIATE THE WORLD TRADE ORGANIZATION AND PROMOTE CLIMATE ACTION. WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE RULE OF LAW AND HUMAN RIGHTS AROUND THE WORLD BECAUSE WE’RE WORLD LEADERS.>>Lisa: AGAIN, THE QUESTION, HOW WOULD YOU AS PRIME MINISTER PROTECT CANADIAN INTERESTS AND VALUES ON THIS CHANGING WORLD STAGE? MR. BLANCHET?>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): IT’S A BIT UNLIKELY. FIRST, GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON BEHALF OF THE BLOC QUEBECOIS. HAVING LEADERSHIP OR SHOWING LEADERSHIP SOMETIMES MEAN NOT MAKING MISTAKES. ARRESTING THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER OF HUAWEI MIGHT HAVE BEEN A BIG MISTAKE FOR WHICH FARMERS, OR THOSE WHO IMPORT OUR BEEF, MIGHT HAVE PAID THE PRICE. WHEN YOU’RE FACING POWERFUL FOLK LIKE CHINA, YOU DON’T TRY TO SHOW BIASES. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE LEARNED. AND WE WOULD SUPPORT SOMEBODY WITH REAL LEADERSHIP, NOT MAKING MISTAKES.>>Lisa: THANK YOU FOR THAT. CONTINUING WITH OUR THEME LEADERSHIP IN CANADA AND THE WORLD, IT’S NOW MY OPPORTUNITY TO ASK A QUESTION ON BEHALF OF CANADIANS. AGAIN, TO A LEADER CHOSEN BY A RANDOM DRAW. SO THIS QUESTION IS FOR PEOPLE’S PARTY LEADER MAXIME BERNIER. EVERY OTHER LEADER WILL THEN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEBATE HIM, BUT MR. BERNIER, YOU LIKE TO TWEET, SO LET ME READ SOME OF YOUR TWEETS BACK TO YOU. YOU CALLED DIVERSITY IN CANADA A CULT AND EXTREME MULTI-CULTUREISM. YOU USED THE WORDS GHETTO AND TRIBES TO DESCRIBE NEWCOMERS WHO YOU SAY BRING MISTRUST AND POTENTIAL VIOLENCE. ON GRETA THUNBERG, THE 16-YEAR-OLD CLIMATE CHANGE ACTIVIST, YOU CALLED HER “CLEARLY MENTALLY UNSTABLE”. ARE THESE THE WORDS OF SOMEONE WHO SHOULD REPRESENT US ON THE WORLD STAGE?>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): YOU MUST TELL THE TRUTH TO CANADIANS IF YOU WANT TO BE THE LEADER OF THIS COUNTRY. AND WHAT I’M SAYING ABOUT EXPANDING MULTICULTURALISM, IT IS NOT THE WAY TO BUILD THE COUNTRY. WE DON’T NEED THE LEGISLATION LIKE THE MULTICULTURALISM ACT TO TELL US WHO WE ARE. WE ARE A DIVERSE COUNTRY. WHAT I’M SAYING IN LINE WITH IMMIGRATION, WE MUST HAVE FEWER IMMIGRANTS IN THIS COUNTRY TO BE SURE FOR THESE PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR SOCIETY. SO IT IS A GREAT COUNTRY, BUT IT’S TIME TO HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE IMMIGRATION. WE DON’T WANT THE COUNTRY TO BE LIKE OTHER COUNTRIES IN EUROPE, WHERE THEY HAVE HUGE WITH IMMIGRANTS.>>Lisa: WE’RE DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE A LIVELY DEBATE, BECAUSE NOW IT IS MR. SINGH’S OPPORTUNITY TO DEBATE MR. BERNIER ON THAT QUESTION, THE TEMPERAMENT REQUIRED FOR A GOOD LEADER.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): MR. BERNIER, AFTER HEARING WHAT WAS JUST SAID, YOU COULD HAVE SAID HEY, MAN I MESSED UP A . I BELIEVE A LEADER IS NOT SOMEONE WHO SHOULD TRY TO DIVIDE PEOPLE, A TRUE LEADER WHO TRIES TO BUILD BRIDGES, BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER. A LEADER WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP. NOT HELPING THOSE AT THE TOP AS WE’VE SEEN THE GOVERNMENT IN OTTAWA DOING FAR TOO LONG. THEY GIVE MASSIVE CORPORATE TAX CUTS. BILLIONS OF DOLLARS GO TOWARD THEM. WE SEE OFFSHORE TAX HAVENS CONDITION. THE WAY TO BUILD A FUTURE — >>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): SPECIALIST POLICY. IT WILL HURT EVERYBODY.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): WHAT YOU’RE GOING TO DO IS NOT GO TO HELP.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): YOU MUST BELIEVE IN PEOPLE.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): WHAT YOU’RE SAYING IS NOT HELPFUL.>>Lisa: THIS IS A DEBATE AND THE VIEWERS HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME EVEN HEARING ANYTHING IF YOU’RE TALKING OVER EACH OTHER. SO THIS IS A PORTION WHERE THE LEADERS CAN DEBATE MR. BERNIER, AND IT IS NOW THE OPPORTUNITY OF MR. SCHEER TO DEBATE MR. BERNIER ON THE QUESTION OF LEADERSHIP.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): WHAT MR. BERNIER FAILS TO UNDERSTAND YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY BE PROUD OF CANADA’S HISTORY, OUR IDENTITY AND THE THINGS WE’VE DONE AND ACCOMPLISHED IN THE WORLD WHILE AT THE SAME TIME WELCOMING PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS MADE CANADA STRONG. PEOPLE COME TO CANADA BECAUSE OF OUR FREEDOM. OUR FREEDOM TO ->>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): YOU’RE RIGHT. THAT’S WHY I WANT PEOPLE TO SHARE THE CANADIAN VALUES.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): MR. BERNIER, YOU HAVE CHANGED FROM SOMEONE WHO USED TO BELIEVE — >>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): LIKE THEY DID IN THE PAST — >>Lisa: WE’LL LET MR. SCHEER FINISH THE QUESTION.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): — AND NOW YOU ARE MAKING YOUR POLICY BASED ON TRYING TO GET LIKES AND RE-TWEETS FROM THE DARKEST PARTS OF TWITTER. WE CAN BE A COUNTRY THAT CELEBRATES CONTRIBUTION FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): I WANT WHAT UNITES US.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): YOU CAN DO THAT. WITHOUT INSULTING PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO THIS COUNTRY. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MR. BERNIER AND MYSELF ON THIS ISSUE. WE BELIEVE, WE BELIEVE IN MAKING CANADA STRONGER BY WELCOMING PEOPLE, ADDING IT TO OUR COUNTRY AND CELEBRATING THE THINGS THAT HAVE MADE US GREAT AS A NATION.>>Lisa: NOW WE’RE GOING TO HEAR FROM MS. MAY AND MR. BERNIER.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): IT WAS ABOUT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF LEADERSHIP. I THINK LEADERSHIP IS SERVICE. I THINK THE THINGS THAT MAKE A GOOD PRIME MINISTER IS RECOGNIZING WE’RE PUBLIC SERVANTS. WE HAVEN’T WON A LOTTO. WE DON’T GET TO LORD OVER EVERYBODY. WE’RE HERE AS YOUR EMPLOYEE. I HAD A QUIBBLE WITH THE INTRODUCTION SAYING WHO WILL BE INVITE D BACK? IT’S NOT TO BE INVITED TO GO TO PARLIAMENT. IT’S TO SIGN UP AND WORK. I FIND THE THINGS MAXIME BERNIER HAS SAID TO BE COMPLETELY APPALLING. HE KNOWS I FEEL THAT WAY, WE USED TO SIT TOGETHER. I HAVE TO PUT MY HEAD IN MY HANDS BECAUSE IT WAS SO HORRIFIC.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): I APPRECIATE YOU, BUT I DON’T SHARE YOUR SOCIALIST POLICY, BECAUSE WE WON’T CREATE WEALTH WITH YOUR POLICY. YOU HAVE THE SAME KIND OF POLICY LIKE VENEZUELA. THAT WON’T CREATE WEALTH. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): CLIMATE CRISIS IS THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY IN A GENERATION.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): THAT’S NOT RESPONSIBLE.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): AND SUPPORTING IMMIGRATION IS WHAT WE NEED FOR THE ECONOMY. I’M PROUD OF THE FACT THAT THE EUROPEAN — IS THE ONLY PARTY THAT IS PRO-IMMIGRATION, SO ARE WE.>>Lisa: IT IS MR. BLANCHET’S OPPORTUNITY TO DEBATE WITH MR. BERNIER.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): HOW MANY SECONDS WILL YOU LEAVE ME? SOMEBODY INVOKING THE TRUTH SHOULD NOT BE SOMEBODY DENYING CLIMATE CHANGE. AND THE USE OF SOCIALISM SEEMS TO COME A LITTLE BIT TOO EASY.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): I DON’T DENY — >>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): OH, 10 SECONDS. [LAUGHTER] IMMIGRATION IS NOT THAT MUCH A MATTER OF NUMBER. IT’S A MATTER OF RESOURCES. WE INVEST IN IT IN ORDER TO HAVE THOSE PERSONS WELCOME IN CANADA AS THEY ARE IN QUÉBEC WITH OUR DESIRE TO SHARE OUR LANGUAGE, TO SHARE THE VALUES. AND IF WE DO HAVE RESOURCES INVESTED IN THAT, THIS IS WORKABLE. YOU DO NOT DO IT BY SAYING OR SENDING THE MESSAGE THAT THEY ARE NOT WELCOME.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): EVERYBODY IS WELCOME IN THIS COUNTRY. 49% OF OUR POPULATION BELIEVE THAT WE MUST HAVE FEWER IMMIGRANTS. THEY’RE NOT RACIST. THEY’RE NOT RADICAL. WHAT YOU’RE SAYING, BECAUSE I’M IN LINE WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION, I’M SUPPOSED TO BE RADICAL. NO, WE HAVE THE RIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY — >>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): DID ANYBODY TELLS YOU THAT YOUR ANCESTORS ARE IMMIGRANTS ALSO? WE ARE ALL IMMIGRANTS.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): ABSOLUTELY. WE’RE ALL PROUD CANADIANS.>>Lisa: AND TO MR. TRUDEAU AND MR. BERNIER. THE TEMPERAMENT REQUIRED.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE’RE IN A WORLD WHERE THESE DISCUSSIONS, THIS POLARIZATION, THIS FEAR OF THE OTHER IS EASY CURRENCY FOR POLITICIANS WHO WANT TO STRIKE UP UNCERTAINTY IN PEOPLES’ HEARTS AND LIFT ANXIETY AND TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO VOTE AGAINST THINGS. MR. BERNIER IS PLAYING THAT ROLE OF TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE MORE FEARFUL ABOUT THE MIGRATIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE WORLD. AND THE OPPORTUNITIES AROUND GLOBALIZATION AND THE ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO REDEFINE EVERY SINGLE DAY WHAT IT IS TO BE CANADIAN. WHAT IT MEANS TO BE CANADIAN. AND, YES, IT WILL EVOLVE. IT WILL TRANSFORM ITSELF. AROUND THE WORLD. WE MUST CELEBRATE. I’M PROUD CANADIAN LIKE YOU. WE BUILD THIS COUNTRY TOGETHER AND WE WANT THIS COUNTRY TO BE LIKE THAT IN 25 YEARS. WE LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND IT’S SAD, BECAUSE I WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IMMIGRATION, THAT I’M RADICAL. ONLY 6% SAY PUBLICLY WHAT — >>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): YOU’RE SAYING WHAT MR. SCHEER THINKS PRIVATELY.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): YOU’RE NOT IN LINE WITH THE POPULATION.>>Lisa: ON THAT, WE WANT TO HEAR FROM ANOTHER CANADIAN TONIGHT. THERE ARE SO MANY LAYERS TO THE ISSUE OF LEADERSHIP. SO THIS QUESTION IS COMING FROM SUSAN FERNANDO WHO ASKED HER QUESTION FROM CALGARY. HI, I’M SUSAN FERNANDO IN CALGARY.>>MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, IT APPEARS PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENTS AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ARE ON DIFFERENT WAVE LENGTHS, NO MATTER WHAT POLITICAL PARTY, COOPERATION IS KEY WHEN IT COMES TO ISSUE OF PENSION, WORKERS RIGHT TO EDUCATION AND HEALTH CARE. AS PRIME MINISTER, HOW WOULD YOU DEMONSTRATE STRONG LEADERSHIP WHEN WORKING WITH THE PROVINCES AND TERRITORIES?>>Lisa: THANK YOU, SUSAN FERNANDO FROM CALGARY. AGAIN, BASED ON A RAN DOWN DRAW THIS GOES TO MR. BERNIER FIRST AND THEN EVERY OTHER LEADER WILL HAVE THE CHANCE TO ANSWER.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): FIRST OF ALL, I WILL RESPECT THE CONSTITUTION. I WILL RESPECT PROVINCES AND THAT’S VERY IMPORTANT. AND I WON’T INTERFERE IN PROVINCIAL JURISDICTION. I WON’T INTERFERE IN HEALTH CARE, BECAUSE IT IS A PROVINCIAL JURISDICTION. AND THEN YOU KNOW, WE CANNOT IN OTTAWA, SOLVE THE CHALLENGES THAT WE’RE HAVING FOR HEALTH CARE. AND WHAT WE CAN DO IS TRANSFER THE MONEY TO THE PROVINCES AND WHAT I WILL DO, I WILL LET PROVINCES BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION. THAT IS OUR CONSTITUTION. SO PROVINCES WILL HAVE THE MONEY TO DEAL WITH THAT. AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER TO YOUR CHALLENGES.>>THANK YOU, IT’S NOW MR. SINGH’S OPPORTUNITY. CONSER>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): THINGS ARE GETTING HARDER THAN EVER. AND SHE TOUCHED ON A WHOLE HOST OF ISSUES. I WANT TO SINGLE IN ON HEALTH CARE. I THINK OF THE PEOPLE THAT I MEET, THE YOUNG BOY THAT I MET, THAT HAS A CHRONIC ILLNESS AND HAS TO PAY FOR MEDICATION AND INJECTIONS AND BLOOD WORK. THEY TOLD ME HE’S NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE ILLNESS, BUT IS WORRIED ABOUT BEING A BURDEN TO HIS MOM AND DAD. THAT YOUNG PERSON SAYING YOU’RE NOT WORTH UNIVERSAL PHARMACARE. THE BIG PHARMACARE COMPANIES ARE MORE IMPORTANT. I WANT TO SAY THAT TO YOUNG PERSON, THE NEW DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT WILL BRING UNIVERSAL PHARMACARE FOR ALL. YOU’LL BRING YOUR HEALTH CARD, NOT CREDIT.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): CONSERVATIVES HAVE ALWAYS RECOGNIZED THE IMPORTANCE OF WORKING WITH PROVINCES, BUT WE LEADERSHIP TO GET THINGS DONE, LIKE INTERPROVINCIAL FREE TRADE. SOMETHING MR. TRUDEAU HAS FAILED TO ACCOMPLISH. ONE THING I CAN PROMISE VOTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, VOTERS WON’T HAVE TO TAKE A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT TO COURT TO FIGHT THE CARBON TAX. AND MR. TRUDEAU HAS IMPOSED HIS CARBON TAX ON PROVINCES THAT DON’T WANT TO GO ALONG WITH HIS HIGH COST SCHEME. THIS IS INCREASING THE COST OF EVERYDAY ESSENTIALS, LIKE GASOLINE AND HOME HEATING AND GROCERIES. AND IT WILL ONLY GO UP AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. HE IS REFUSING TO TELL CANADIANS HOW HIGH HIS CARBON TAX WILL GO IF HE’S RE-ELECTED. THE CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT UNDER MY LEADERSHIP WILL SCRAP THE CARBON TAX.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): THANK YOU, SUSAN, FOR THE QUESTION. IT’S VERY IMPORTANT AND COOPERATION IS IN OUR DNA. NONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE SOLVE ARE GOING TO BE — FACE, ARE GOING TO BE SOLVED IF WE ARGUE WITH ONE ANOTHER, WHETHER IT’S IN PARLIAMENT FOR BETWEEN FEDERAL PARTIES. MODELLED AFTER WHAT IS DONE IN AUSTRALIA, WE WANT TO A CALL OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT. SO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, PROVINCIAL, TERRITORIAL. THE LOCAL ORDERS OF GOVERNMENT NEED A SEAT AT THE TABLE, SO, TOO, DO INDIGENOUS LEADERSHIP. FIRST NATIONS, METIS, INUIT. FINDING COMMON GROUND ON ISSUES LIKE HEALTH CARE. AND WORKING TOGETHER IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.>>Lisa: MS. MAY, THANK YOU. MR. BLANCHET.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): I REMEMBER SEEING A STUDY, HE’S SAYING THIS CAMPAIGN IS NOT ABOUT FEDERAL ISSUES, BUT PROVINCIAL AND QUÉBEC ISSUES. THIS IS NOT A SURPRISE. IF YOU WANT COOPERATION WITH PROVINCES OR QUÉBEC, YOU NEED TO RESPECT THE JURISDICTION AND SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO STOP DOING AND THIS IS ONE OF THE DEMANDS OF THE GOVERNMENT OF QUÉBEC ON MANY ISSUES, IS GIVING A HAND TO THIS, OUR MONEY BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND GIVING BACK TO US WITH CONDITIONS. THE MONEY HAS TO BE GIVEN TO PROVINCES IN THEIR OWN FIELDS OF JURISDICTIONS TO BE GIVEN BACK WITHOUT CONDITIONS.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): SIGN HISTORIC HEALTH ACCORDS WITH MASSIVE INVESTMENTS IN HOME CARE AND MENTAL HEALTH. WE WERE ABLE TO INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE HOUSING AND PUBLIC TRANSIT ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND WE CONTINUED TO WORK WITH PROVINCES ON RENEGOTIATING A NAFTA THAT IT HAD EVERYONE PLAY ON ONE TEAM CANADA. WE’RE WORKING ON THE DEFINING ISSUE. JASON KENNEY AND DOUG FORD AND OTHER CONSERVATIVE PREMIERS DON’T WANT TO DO ANYTHING ON CLIMATE CHANGE. WE NEED A GOVERNMENT IN OTTAWA THAT IS GOING TO FIGHT THEM AND FIGHT FOR CANADIANS ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE’RE GOING TO DO.>>Lisa: WE’LL HAVE THE OPEN DEBATE COMING UP VERY SHORTLY. WE’RE GOING SWITCH GEARS NOW, THOUGH, AND GIVE A LEADER A CHANCE TO ASK ANY OTHER LEADER A QUESTION ON ANY TOPIC THEY CHOOSE. AGAIN, THE ORDER OF THIS WAS CHOSEN BY RANDOM DRAW. THE FIRST LEADER THIS TIME IS N.D.P. JAGMEET SINGH. MR. SINGH, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): THANK YOU, TO MR. TRUDEAU. YOU TALK ABOUT HOW CONSERVATIVES CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY AND CUT EDUCATION AND HEALTH CARE AND OTHER SERVICES. I AGREE WITH YOU AND I’VE HEARD YOU SAY THIS OFTEN. MY QUESTION IS, YOU CRITICIZE MR. HARPER ON HIS CLIMATE TARGETS BUT YOU FAILED TO ACHIEVE THEM. YOU CRITICIZED MR. HARPER ON HEALTH CARE FUNDING, YOU ALSO CUT THEM. YOU CRITICIZED MR. HARPER GIVING BILLIONS TO BILLIONAIRES, YOU GAVE $14 BILLION MORE. THE QUESTION IS THIS, WHY DO YOU KEEP LETTING DOWN THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR YOU?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): FIRST THING WE DID WAS CUT TAXES FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS AND RAISE THEM ON THE WEALTHIEST. AFTER 10 YEARS OF STEPHEN HARPER DOING NOT, IN FOUR YEARS WE’VE REACHED THREE QUARTERS TO THE WAY OF OUR 2030 TARGETS WHICH WE WILL MEET AND SURPASS. THAT’S NOT ENOUGH. WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO MORE. LIKE PLANTING TREES AND GIVING MONEY UP FRONT SO PEOPLE CAN RETROFIT THEIR HOMES. MAKING CANADA NET ZERO BY 2050. WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO MOVE FORWARD AND RIGHT NOW, MR. ANDREW SCHEER HAS PROMISED THE FIRST THING HE’LL DO IS TO RIP UP. THESE ARE THE THINGS WE’RE GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD ON BECAUSE CANADIANS EXPECT US TO. WE LIFTED 900,000 PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY. AND THINGS THAT MR. SCHEER AND MR. SINGH, THE N.D.P. VOTED AGAINST. WE WILL CONTINUE TO INVEST IN FAMILIES BECAUSE IT’S CREATING JOBS AND HELPING PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY, BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT CANADIANS EXPECT. THAT’S WHAT WE’LL CONTINUE TO DO.>>NOW THE LEADERS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE OPEN DEBATE ON THIS.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): I WANT TO SAY, WE LOOK AT THE TRACK RECORD OF THE GOVERNMENT. IN REALITY, STATISTICS CANADA POINTS OUT IN 2017, THE WEALTHIEST ACTUALLY PAID LESS IN TAX AND GAVE MORE IN WEALTH. WHEN WE LOOK AT ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS WE’RE FACED WITH, IS OFFSHORE TAX HAVENS. NOT ONLY DID THE FINANCE MINISTER USE OFFSHORE TAX HAVENS, BUT ALSO THE TREASURY BOARD. HOW CAN YOU TELL CANADIANS, WE DON’T HAVE THE MONEY TO FUND THINGS LIKE UNIVERSAL PHARMACARE WHEN YOUR TOP TWO CABINET MINISTERS DON’T PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): MR. SINGH, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT — >>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): I’M VERY DIFFERENT THAN MR. SCHEER.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE HAD A HUGE FIGHT WITH THE WEALTH YILS CANADIANS AND THE CONSERVATIVES. WHEN WE CLOSED LOOPHOLES TO GIVE TAX BREAKS WORTH $50,000 TO THE WEALTHIEST CANADIANS.>>Lisa: MR. TRUDEAU WILL GIVE MR. SCHEER AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): YOU CALLED ENTREPRENEURS WHO CREATED JOBS AND OPPORTUNITIES IN OUR SOCIETY TAX CHEATS, ALL THE WHILE PROTECTING YOUR TRUST FUND AND THOSE OF YOUR MILLIONAIRE FRIENDS. WHAT WE ARE DOING IS LOWERING TAXES FOR ALL CANADIANS. WE HAVE A UNIVERSAL TAX CUT THAT WILL LOWER THE FIRST BRACKET, THAT WILL –>>WHAT YOU’RE DOING.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): WE’RE GOING TO BRING IN — >>Lisa: MR. BERNIER?>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): THEY ARE SPENDING AND SPENDING. EVERYBODY HERE ON THIS STAGE ARE SPENDING MORE MONEY. AND YOU KNOW, YOU CANNOT CREATE WEALTH WHEN THE GOVERNMENT IS SPENDING MONEY. YOU MUST HAVE THE RIGHT POLICIES FOR THE ENTREPRENEUR ACTUALLY. WE WANT THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO BE ABLE TO INVEST.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THAT’S WHY WE’RE GOING TO UNDO THE TAX BREAKS. WE’RE GOING TO UNDO THE TAX HIKES.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEGMENT, MR. SINGH POINTED OUT THAT MR. TRUDEAU HAD NOT CHANGED THE CLIMATE TARGETS FROM THOSE OF MR. HARPER. IT NEEDS TO BE SAID CLEARLY, I’M SO DISAPPOINTED, BECAUSE I BELIEVED THE LIBERALS IN 2015 THEY WOULD GO WITH SCIENCE-BA SCIENCE-BASED, EVIDENCE-BASED POLICIES, BUT IT’S A TARGET FOR LOSING THE FIGHT BECAUSE IT IGNORES THE SCIENCE. ON THIS STAGE TONIGHT, THE GREEN PARTY IS THE ONLY PARTY WITH A PLAN, MISSION POSSIBLE THAT WILL — >>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): A PLAN THAT WILL DESTROY THE ECONOMY.>>YOU KNOW THAT’S NOT TRUE. OUR PLAN IS TO STAY IN LINE WITH SCIENCE. OUR PLAN IS THIS.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): WHAT SCIENCE DID YOU FIND?>>IT’S TO KEEP WARMING WITHIN 1.5°. AND IT’S VERY IMPORTANT.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): I LOVE TO SAY IT? BECAUSE IT’S ABOUT OUR CHILDREN’S SURVIVAL. I LOVE TO PROTECT.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): TAKE ON THE CLIMATE CRISIS WE’RE IN. IT’S GOING TO REQUIRE THE COURAGE TO FIGHT BIG POLLUTERS. IT’S GOING TAKE THE COURAGE TO STAND UP TO THE LOBBYISTS THAT MR. TRUDEAU HAS CAVED INTO AND THE REASON WE CONTINUE TO PAY SUBSIDIES TO THE FOSSIL FUEL SECTOR. WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY END THE –>>MR. SINGH, MS. MAY, WHAT A CLIMATE PLAN NEEDS TO DO IS TO BE AMBITIOUS AND DOABLE. AND OF THE PLANS THAT ARE FORWARD HERE ON THIS STAGE, THERE IS ONLY ONE PLAN THAT THE EXPERTS QUALIFIED AS BOTH AMBITIOUS AND DOABLE AND THAT IS THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE BEGUN TO PUT IN PLACE.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): MR. TRUDEAU’S PLAN IS FAILING. IT IS MAKING THINGS HARDER. OUR PLAN TAKES THE CLIMATE CHANGE FIGHT GLOBAL RECOGNIZING THAT CANADA CAN DO MORE TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE BY EXPORTING OUR CLEAN TECHNOLOGY AND HELPING OTHER COUNTRIES LOWER THEIR EMISSIONS.>>Lisa: AND THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE FOR THE OPEN DEBATE. THAT CONCLUDES THIS SEGMENT. YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY. YOU GOT TO JUMP RIGHT IN. THANK YOU, ALL, VERY MUCH. FOR THE CONCLUSION OF THAT SEGMENT. [ ♪♪ ] HELLO. I’M ALTHIA RAJ AND THE THEME OF THIS SEGMENT IS POLARIZATION, HUMAN RIGHTS AND IMMIGRATION. AND WE’LL BEGIN WITH MY QUESTION TO N.D.P. LEADER JAGMEET SINGH. MR. SINGH, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT BILL 21. YOUR CAMPAIGN IS ABOUT COURAGE. BUT YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN THE COURAGE TO CITE QUÉBEC’S DISCRIMINAL LAWS. AREN’T YOU, AND FRANKLY THE OTHER LEADERS ON THE STAGE, PUTTING YOUR OWN PARTY’S INTERESTS IN QUÉBEC AHEAD OF YOUR PRINCIPLES? AND THE EQUALITY RIGHTS OF ALL CITIZENS? YOU HAVE A MINUTE TO ANSWER.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): SURE. IT’S PROBABLY PRETTY OBVIOUS TO FOLKS THAT I AM OBVIOUSLY AGAINST BILL 21. IT IS SOMETHING THAT HURTS ME, MAKES ME FEEL SAD. I THINK ABOUT ALL THE TIMES I GREW UP BEING TOLD I COULDN’T DO THINGS BECAUSE OF THE WAY I LOOK. I THINK OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT GROW UP IN CANADA WHO CAN’T ACHIEVE MORE BECAUSE OF THEIR IDENTITY. I THINK OF THE PEOPLE IN QUÉBEC, WHO ARE TOLD BECAUSE THEY WEAR A HIJAB THEY CAN’T BE A TEACHER, OR A YAMKA, THEY CAN’T BE A JUDGE. WHEN I GO TO QUÉBEC, I SAY, HEY, I’M HERE, I’M SOMEONE HAS BELIEFS IN FIGHTING THE CLIMATE CRISIS. I BRIEF IN FIRMLY THE RIGHTS OF WOMEN, THE RIGHT OF A WOMAN TO CHOOSE AND BUILD MORE ACCESS TO ABORTION SERVICES. I BELIEVE IN MAKING SURE WE TACKLE THE POWERFUL CORPORATIONS THAT ARE INFLUENCING GOVERNMENT AND NOT ALLOWING — CHALLENGING OUR ABILITY TO LIFT UP PEOPLE.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): I WANT TO START OFF BY CONGRATULATING YOU ON THE WAY YOU’VE HANDLED SO MANY ISSUES AROUND RACE AND IDENTITY. SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN THE VICTIM OF THESE RACIST ACTS IN THE PAST, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE HANDLED IT IN THE PAST. ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO SCANDALS DURING THIS CAMPAIGN. IT’S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHILE WE’LL NOT INTERVENE IN THIS COURT CASE, AS A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT, WE DO RECOGNIZE AND THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY STANDS FOR FREEDOM, EQUALITY AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT — WE WILL NOT PURSUE THIS TYPE OF BILL.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): I WANT TO TALK ON THE THEME OF THE DISCUSSION, POLARIZATION. WHILE BILL 21 IS GOING TO SINGLE OUT PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY LOOK. OTHER THING THAT IS HAPPENING PEOPLE ARE PIT AGAINST EACH OTHER. PEOPLE WHO CAN’T FIND A HOME, CAN’T AFFORD THEIR BILLS, CAN’T GET THE MEDICATION OR THE HEALTH CARE THEY NEED, ARE TOLD IT’S NOT THE FAULT OF POWERFUL CORPORATIONS AND THOSE NOT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE, BUT IT’S THE FAULT OF A NEW CANADIAN. IT’S THE FAULT OF A 12-YEAR-OLD REFUGEE. OR IMMIGRANT BREAKING HIS BACK 12 HOURS A DAY. THAT’S WHY IT’S IMPORTANT TO TACKLE ECONOMIC SECURITY IF WE WANT TO TACKLE THE POLARIZATION.>>Althia: MS. MAY?>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): I WANT TO ECHO ANDREW’S COMMENTS, I THINK JAGMEET HAS DONE, AS WE ALL HAVE DURING THIS STRANGE PERIOD OF ELECTION CAMPAIGN, CONFRONTING ISSUES OF — OF PRIVILEGE AND ANYONE WITH PRIVILEGE. BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT BILL 21 IN QUÉBEC, I THINK IT CHALLENGES ALL OF US. LIKE THE N.D.P., THE GREEN PARTY OPPOSES BILL 21. THEN WE’RE LEFT WITH THE QUESTION OF WHAT IS THE BEST WAY FOR A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT HUMAN RIGHTS WITHIN QUÉBEC, QUÉBECERS ARE FIGHTING THIS OUT WITHIN QUÉBEC, QUÉBEC GROUPS ARE GOING TO COURT TO SAY THAT BILL 21 DISCRIMINATES. AND WE’RE FRANKLY LOOKING AT A SITUATION WHERE WE DON’T WANT TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): I UNDERSTAND. WHAT I WANT TO ALSO JUST TOUCH ON, WHILE BILL 21 IS OF COURSE POLARIZING, WE HAVE TO TACKLE THE POWERFUL CORPORATIONS THAT DON’T PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. IT’S WHY PEOPLE CAN’T FIND HOUSING OR GET THE MEDICATION THEY NEED.>>IT’S NOT EVEN ABOUT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE — >>Althia: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MS. MAY, THANK YOU — MS. MAY, THANK YOU. MR. BLANCHET, YOUR TERN.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): YES.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): I’LL GIVE YOU MORE THAN 10 SECONDS.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): WITH 70% OF THE PEOPLE IN PARLIAMENT AND QUÉBEC SUPPORTING BILL 21, IT’S HARDLY POLARIZATION ISSUE IN QUÉBEC. THAT’S THE PROBLEM. IN ENGLISH TONIGHT IT WILL BE QUITE CLEAR, EVERYBODY HERE HAS PROBLEMS WITH THE VERY IDEA OF, I WILL SAY, IT BECAUSE THERE IS NO WORD FOR THAT IN ENGLISH. BUT SAY IN BEST OF CASES THEY WOULD UNDERRATE IT. BUT QUÉBEC DOES NOT NEED TO BE TOLD WHAT TO DO ABOUT ITS OWN VALUES NOR ITS LANGUAGE, NOR THEMSELVES AS A NATION.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): THIS IS A BILL THAT SAYS TO PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY LOOK THEY CAN’T DO A JOB.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): YOU KNOW THIS IS NOT TRUE. AND YOU TWEET THAT — >>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): INSTEAD OF THAT, WHAT WE SHOULD BEEN DOING — >>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): WAS WRONG.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): LET’S PROTECT WOMEN’S RIGHTS. A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE. LET’S BUILD UP MORE PROTECTIONS FOR THE LGBT COMMUNITY. LET’S BUILD MORE PROTECTIONS TO BUILD A SOCIETY — >>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): DON’T — >>Althia: THANK YOU.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): MR. SINGH YOU HAVE SPOKEN ELOQUENTLY ABOUT DISCRIMINATION AND FOUGHT AGAINST IT ALL YOUR LIFE, THAT’S WHY IT’S SO SURPRISING TO HEAR YOU SAY, LIKE EVERY OTHER LEADER ON THE STAGE, THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT UNDER YOU WOULD NOT INTERVENE IN THE QUESTION OF BILL 21 IN QUÉBEC. IT’S A QUESTION WHERE, YES, IT’S AWKWARD POLITICALLY, BECAUSE AS MR. BLANCHET SAYS, IT IS VERY POPULAR. BUT I’M THE ONLY ONE ON THE STAGE WHO SAID, YES, A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MIGHT HAVE TO INTERVENE ON THIS. BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO PROTECT MINORITY RIGHTS. NEEDS TO PROTECT LANGUAGE RIGHTS. NEEDS TO PROTECT WOMEN’S RIGHTS AND NEEDS TO DO THAT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. YOU DIDN’T SAY THAT YOU WOULD POSSIBLY INTERVENE. YOU LEAF THE DOOR OPEN. — LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): LET’S BE HONEST. EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE IS FIGHTING A BILL LIKE BILL 21.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): SO WHY NOT FIGHT IT IF YOU FORM GOVERNMENT?>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE I CHANNEL THE FRUSTRATIONS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE TOLD THEY CAN’T ACHIEVE BECAUSE OF HOW THEY LOOK.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WHY NOT LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN FOR CHALLENGING IT?>>Althia: MR. BERNIER, YOUR CHANCE TO GO.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): ABOUT THE BILL 21, WE MUST RESPECT THE CONSTITUTION. AND WE WON’T INTERFERE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. THAT’S THE DEFINITION FROM THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT. AND THAT’S WHAT WE MUST DO. BUT ALSO, MR. SINGH, YOU SAID THAT YOU DIDN’T WANT ME TO BE HERE ON THE STAGE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH YOU, SO YOU’RE FOR DIVERSITY. BUT WHAT ABOUT DIVERSITY OF OPINION. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE ANOTHER OPINION ABOUT IMMIGRATION. AND I DON’T KNOW WHY YOU’RE NOT — YOU’RE A LEADER AND YOU MUST BE TRY TO HAVE EVERYBODY ON YOUR SIDE, BUT ARE YOU BELIEVING — >>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): LET ME ANSWER THAT QUESTION. — ONLY WHEN PEOPLE ARE SAYING THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO HEAR?>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): LET ME ANSWER IT. AFTER A COUPLE OF MINUTES OF THIS DEBATE TONIGHT, I THINK PEOPLE CAN CLEARLY SEE WHY YOU DIDN’T DESERVE A PLATFORM. THE COMMENTS YOU’RE MAKING, THE TYPE OF THINGS YOU SAY — IT’S ONE THING TO SAY YOU DISAGREE WITH SOMEBODY, BUT WHEN YOU INCITE HATRED — >>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): NO, NO, IT’S NOT TRUE. YOU CAN’T SAY THAT.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): — MENTAL STABILITY, IT SHOWS A LACK OF JUDGMENT. I’M HAPPY TO CHALLENGE YOU ON THAT. YOUR IDEAS ARE HURTFUL TO CANADA. I’LL ALWAYS WORK TO BUILD UNITY.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): YOU NEED PEOPLE. PEOPLE DON’T AGREE WITH YOU.>>Althia: CONTINUING WITH THE THEME, WE HAVE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS DEBATE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING A BIG CROWD AT THE STUDENT UNION BUILDING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF BRITISH COLUMBIA. AND OUR NEXT QUESTION COMES FROM PAGE WHO JOINS US FROM VANCOUVER.>> HI, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PAIGE. I’M HERE TONIGHT AT U.B.C. BUT I LIVE IN COLD STREAM, BRITISH COLUMBIA. MY QUESTION IS ALONG THE LINES OF POLARIZATION AND TO ME, CANADA FEELS MORE DIVIDED THAN EVER BEFORE. IF DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH, BUT DIVISION IS WEAKNESS, HOW WILL YOUR LEADERSHIP SEEK TO PROVIDE A UNIFIED VISION FOR CANADA AND HOW WILL YOU ENSURE THAT ALL VOICES ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM ARE HEARD AND CONSIDERED? THANK YOU.>>MR. SINGH?>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE QUESTION. I APPRECIATE GETTING A CHANCE TO CHAT WITH YOU. THANKS FOR TUNING IN. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE DIVISIONS WE HAVE IN THE COUNTRY. THERE ARE A LOT OF DIVISIONS AND THEY’RE GROWING. I POINT TO A LOT OF REASONS FOR IT. RADICALIZATION. THERE IS HATEFUL DISCOURSE. THERE IS A CLIMATE WHICH ALLOWS PEOPLE TO BE EMBOLDENED. BUT THE OTHER REASON PEOPLE ARE EXPLOITED IS BECAUSE THEY’RE WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN’T GET THE BASIC THINGS THEY NEED. HOUSING. AND IT’S THE NEGLECT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT HAVE BROUGHT US TO THIS POSITION. I THINK THE WAY WE TACKLE A LOT OF THE POLARIZATION IS MAKING SURE PEOPLE GET THE BASIC THINGS THEY NEED.>>Althia: THANK YOU. MR. SCHEER?>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): IT’S IMPORTANT WE UNDERSTAND WHY CANADA IS A COUNTRY OF DIVERSITY. IT’S BECAUSE PEOPLE COME FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO TAKE REFUGE HERE, BUILD A BETTER LIFE. IT’S BECAUSE OF THE FREEDOM. THAT’S THE COMMON GROUND THAT EVERYONE WHO COMES HERE, NO MATTER WHAT GENERATION, CAN AGREE ON. IT’S IMPORTANT WE REMEMBER THAT, PROMOTE THAT AND ENSURE THAT PEOPLE WHO COME HERE, EMBRACE THAT ASPECT THAT MAKES OUR COUNTRY GREAT. BUT WHAT IS VERY DANGEROUS, WHEN YOU HAVE A PRIME MINISTER LIKE JUSTIN TRUDEAU WHO USES LEGITIMATE ISSUES LIKE RACISM AND HATEFUL LANGUAGE TO DEMONIZE ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH HIM, CALLING HIM UN-CANADIAN FOR DISAGREEING WITH HIS FAILURE ON THE BORDER — >>Althia: THANK YOU, I’M SORRY.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): THANKS, PAIGE AND HEY TO YOU B.C. I RAISE MY HANDS TO THE MUSQUEAM, SQUAMISH TERRITORY. WE NEED THE LEADERSHIP THAT LIFTS PEOPLE UP. THAT DOESN’T FEEL THAT POLITICS IS DISGUSTING. WE HAVE TO RESTORE THE IDEA OF REAL DEMOCRACY WHERE EVERY CITIZEN HAS AGENCY AND POWER TO WORK TOGETHER. MISSION POSSIBLE FOR CLIMATE ACTION. WE CALL ALL HANDS ON DECK. WE’RE GOING TO NEED EVERYBODY. AND TO HAVE THE KIND OF DEMOCRACY THAT REFLECTS EVERYONE, WE NEED FAIR VOTING. WE NEED TO GET RID OF FIRST-PAST-THE-POST, BECAUSE IT CREATES EACH POLITICAL PARTY AS RIVAL WARRING CAMP, EVEN WHEN THE ELECTIONS ARE OVER.>>Althia: THANK YOU.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): YES. I BELIEVE THAT DEMOCRACY GROWS ON INFORMATION. SO TRANSLATING WITH PEOPLE, BY VOTE FOR PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE YOU IS AT BEST DISHONEST. AND MAY I REMIND YOU THAT IN 2011, THE EXACT SAME PHRASE WAS SAID BYING MICHAEL IGNATIEFF. IN 2015, THE SAME SENTENCE WAS SAID BY THOMAS MULCAIR. SO PEOPLE — >>Althia: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I’M SORRY, YOU’RE OUT OF TIME. MR. TRUDEAU? ? /* IT’S 40 SECONDS. EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME TIME.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): THANK YOU, PAIGE, FOR YOUR QUESTION. IT’S GREAT TO SEE EVERYBODY AT U.B.C. ONE OF MY ALMA LAYNE MATECHUK — ALMA MATERS. IT’S TIME TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENTIALS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED. THE REALITY IS CANADIANS AGREE ON MOST THINGS. WE WANT TO RAISE OUR KIDS IN A WORLD THAT IS GETTING BETTER FOR THEM. WE WANT TO PAY FOR THEIR FUTURES AND RETIRE IN COMFORT. WE WANT TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR NEIGHBOURS AS WELL. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BINDS CANADIANS TOGETHER RIGHT AROUND THE COUNTRY. AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS A POLITICS OF FEAR AND DIVISION IS THAT IS CONTINUING TO DOMINATE HERE UNDERLYING WHAT WE’RE ACTUALLY DOING.>>Althia: THANK YOU.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): SPEAKING ABOUT IMMIGRATION, IT IS NOT — ACTUALLY CANADA RECEIVES MORE IMMIGRANTS PER CAPITA THAN ANY OTHER WESTERN COUNTRY. THREE TIMES HIGHER THAN THE U.S. SO WE MUST HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. IT IS THE EQUIVALENT OF ONE NOVA SCOTIA EVERY THREE YEARS, THE POPULATION OF NOVA SCOTIA EVERY THREE YEARS HERE IN CANADA. SO YOU KNOW, ALL FOR MASS IMMIGRATION. I’M FOR IMMIGRATION, BUT WE MUST HAVE FEWER IMMIGRANTS. WITH MORE ECONOMIC IMMIGRANTS FOR OUR COUNTRY.>>Althia: THANK YOU. WE ARE MOVING ON TO A ONE-ON-ONE FORMAT FOLLOWED BY AN OPEN DEBATE. WE START WITH CONSERVATIVE LEADER ANDREW SCHEER. YOU MAY PICK ANY LEADER AND ASK ANY QUESTION OF YOUR CHOOSING. [LAUGHTER] >>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): MR. TRUDEAU, YOU BROKE ETHICS LAWS TWICE. YOU INTERFERED IN AN ONGOING CRIMINAL COURT PROCEEDING. YOU SHUT DOWN PARLIAMENTARY INVESTIGATIONS INTO YOUR CORRUPTION AND YOU FIRED THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE IN YOUR CAUCUS WHO WERE SPEAKING OUT AGAINST WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO, JUST FOR TELLING THE TRUTH. TELL ME, WHEN DID YOU DECIDE THE RULES DON’T APPLY TO YOU?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): THE ROLE OF A PRIME MINISTER IS TO STAND UP FOR CANADIANS’ JOBS, THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND THAT’S WHAT I’VE DONE AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO. UNLIKE THE VISION YOU’RE PUTTING FORWARD OF GIVING TAX BREAKS THAT HELP PEOPLE MAKING $400,000 A YEAR MORE THAN SOMEONE MAKING $40,000. YOU’RE OFFERING A $50,000 TAX BREAK, WHICH IS MORE MONEY THAN MOST CANADIANS EARN TO THE WEALTHIEST CANADIANS WITH YOUR PLAN. OF COURSE, WE DON’T ENTIRE KNOW YOUR PLAN BECAUSE YOU HAVEN’T RELEASED YOUR COSTED PLATFORM, WHICH IS A DISRESPECT — >>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): WHERE IS YOUR COSTED PLATFORM? HALF OF IT ISN’T COSTED?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): OUR PLATFORM CAME OUT WEEKS AGO AND WE WORKED WITH THE PARLIAMENTARY BUDGET OFFICER AND WE HAVE A VISION, BUT IT IS A DIFFERENT VISION THAN YOURS, BECAUSE WE’RE CHOOSING TO INVEST IN PEOPLE. YOU’RE CHOOSING JUST LIKE DOUG FORD, TO HIDE YOUR PLATFORM FROM CANADIANS AND DELIVER CUTS, CUTS TO SERVICES AND CUTS TO TAXES FOR THE WEALTHIEST.>>Althia: MR. SCHEER.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): YOU’RE MAKING THINGS UP AGAIN. HALF OF YOUR PLATFORM ISN’T EVEN COSTED. YOU’RE MAKING ANNOUNCEMENTS WITHOUT ANY DETAILS. AND WITHOUT ANY NUMBERS. YOU AREN’T — >>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): THIS IS ENTIRELY UNTRUE. YOU’RE HIDING YOUR PLATFORM FROM CANADIANS.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): — IF YOU’RE RE-ELECTED. YOU STARTED OFF TALKING ABOUT –>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WEALTHIEST 1%.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): YOU SAID THE ALLEGATIONS IN “THE GLOBE AND MAIL” WERE FALSE. YOU SAID YOU NEVER PUT PRESSURE ON HER. WE KNOW THOSE WERE ALL LIES. YOU HAVE FAILED TO TELL THE TRUTH IN A CORRUPTION SCANDAL.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ANY PRIME MINISTER IS TO STAND UP FOR JOBS. AND YOU’RE SAYING YOU WOULDN’T HAVE DONE THAT.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): SNC-LAVALIN NEVER THREATENED JOBS, YOU ARE MAKING THAT UP AGAIN.>>WHAT WE HAVE IS MR. SCHEER AND MR. TRUDEAU ARGUING ABOUT WHO IS WORSE FOR CANADA. WE HAVE TO START ARGUING ABOUT WHO IS GOING TO BE BEST FOR CANADA. MR. SCHEER, YOUR SMALL TAX CUTS ARE NOT GOING TO HELP A FAMILY STRUGGLING WITH THE COST OF CHILD CARE WHICH COSTS THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS A MONTH. YOU’RE SMALL TAXES AREN’T GOING TO HELP FAMILIES WITH MEDICATION.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): WE’RE GOING TO PUT MORE MONEY IN THEIR POCKET. $850 — >>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): WE’RE GOING TO INVEST IN PHARMACARE FOR ALL.>>PHARMACARE — >>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): WE’RE GOING TO INVEST IN CHILD CARE. WHICH IS GOING TO SAVE FAMILIES THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS A MONTH. AND WE’RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE FAMILIES THAT EARN LESS $7,000, WE’RE GOING TO GET DENTACARE.>>WHERE WILL YOU FIND THE MONEY?>>THIS IS THE CONSERVATIVE SPIN, WHERE WILL WE FIND THE MONEY?>>WE’RE GOING TO ASK THE WEALTHIEST CANADIANS. THOSE WITH FORTUNES OVER $20 MILLION, WE’RE GOING TO ASK THEM TO PAY MORE.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): YOU KNOW WHAT IS FASCINATING ABOUT THAT PROPOSAL, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE SAME, WHEN THE PARLIAMENTARY BUDGET REVIEWS THEM, THEY FIND THE SECOND BIGGEST UNCERTAINTY, THEY’RE WORRIED THEY’LL HIRE LAWYERS AND AVOID PAYING THAT TAX. IF YOU GO LOOK AT THE REVIEWS, THEY’RE AGREEING TO SPEND MONEY ON PHARMACARE. THE WEAKNESS THEY SAY IN OUR REVENUE SOURCES IS THAT WEALTHY CANADIANS WILL CONTINUE TO HIRE LAWYERS AND EVADE THEIR TAXES. THAT’S SHOCKING. WE NEED TO SAY TO PEOPLE, THIS IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WEST COUNTRY ON EARTH AND YOU HAVE WEALTH, YOU HAVE OBLIGATION, RESPONSIBILITY.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): IF I MAY — >>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): PEOPLE HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE THEIR FAIR SHARE.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): I REMEMBER THAT MR. SCHEER REFERRED TO THE SNC SCANDAL. I WANT TO — >>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): I WANT TO SPEAK FOR PEOPLE WHO DID NOTHING WRONG. WHEN MR. TRUDEAU TRIED TO FIND A SOLUTION, HE DID IT THE WRONG WAY AND ADMITTED IT. WHAT YOU’RE DOING MR. SCHEER IS PLAYING THAT OLD CARD. YOU’RE TRADING THE IDEA THAT QUÉBEC IS CORRUPT. THOSE 3400 PEOPLE HAVE DONE NOTHING IS WRONG. NOW THE VALUE OF THE SHARES ARE GOING DOWN. THE EMPLOYEES ARE LEAVING.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): MR. BLANCHET, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THERE IS NEVER AN EXCUSE FOR A PRIME MINISTER TO INTERFERE IN AN INDEPENDENT INQUIRY. WE DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE SOMEONE CAN ABUSE THE POWER OF THEIR OFFICE TO REWARD THEIR FRIENDS AND PUNISH THEIR ENEMIES.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): AND PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY THE PRICE FOR THAT, INNOCENT PEOPLE. I JUST WANT TO ADD, I WAS THE ONLY LEADER WHO SAID NO CORPORATION IS ABOVE THE LAW. I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO SAID THAT.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THAT’S NOT TRUE.>>I THINK I SAID THAT, TOO MAX. IT MAY BE THE ONLY THING WE AGREE THAT NO CORPORATION IS ABOVE THE LAW.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): GOOD, IT’S A NICE BEGINNING.>>Althia: WHAT A WONDERFUL SHOW THAT’S WRAPPED UP THE TOPIC AND THE SEGMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [ ♪♪ ]>>I’M SUSAN DELACOURT FROM “THE TORONTO STAR”. WELCOME, LEADERS. I’M MODERATOR FOR THE NEXT THEME WHICH IS INDIGENOUS ISSUES. WE’RE GOING TO BEGIN THIS SEGMENT WHICH WAS ALSO CHOSEN BY RANDOM DRAW WITH MY QUESTION TO CONSERVATIVE LEADER ANDREW SCHEER. SO HERE IT IS. MR. SCHEER, YOU’VE SAID THAT A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT WOULD FOCUS ON PRACTICAL THINGS IN ITS RELATIONSHIP WITH CANADA’S INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. AS YOU PURSUE YOUR PROMISE ENERGY CORRIDOR, PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, HOW WILL YOU CONSULT, ACCOMMODATE, AND OBTAIN CONSENT FROM INDIGENOUS PEOPLE? AND WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN YOUR PLANS COME INTO CONFLICT WITH INDIGENOUS RIGHTS AND INTERESTS?>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION. AS SOMEONE WHO HAS 12 FIRST NATIONS RESERVES IN HIS RIDING, I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF BALANCING TREATY RIGHTS AND ALSO THE ABILITY FOR INDIGENOUS CANADIANS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ECONOMY. THAT REALLY IS THE KEY. AND WHAT I’VE SAID IS THAT CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT WILL ENSURE THAT THE PROPOSAL FOR THE NATIONAL ENERGY CORRIDOR TAKES INTO ACCOUNT INDIGENOUS CONCERNS BY ENSURING THAT A CABINET MINISTER IS RESPONSIBLE SPECIFICALLY FOR INDIGENOUS CONSULTATIONS. AND UNLIKE THE COURT RULING THAT FOUND THAT THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT MISHANDLED THE CONSULTATIONS UNDER THE TMX PIPELINE, WE WILL ENSURE THAT IT’S DYNAMIC, THAT IT IS MORE THAN JUST TICKING A BOX AND LISTENING TO CONCERNS. IT’S ACTUALLY ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS. WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE TO GET TO A PLACE IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE BIG THINGS CAN GET BUILT AGAIN. DUTY TO CONSULT MEANS THAT CONCERNS ARE HEARD. AND ADDRESSED. BUT THAT ALSO MEANS THAT WE FIND A PATH TO LETTING THINGS GET BUILT IN THIS COUNTRY.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): THANK YOU. I’M APPALLED BY THE FACT THAT MR. SCHEER HAS FORGOTTEN THAT THERE WAS A DUTY TO CONSULT ON THE HARPER GOVERNMENT AS WELL AND THAT THEY ALSO VIOLATED IN THE FINDINGS OF THE COURT, IDENTITY CAL TO TRANS MOUNTAIN ON THE CASE OF ENBRIDGE. IT’S THE U.N. DECLARATION ON THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES TO COME INTO FORCE OF LAW IN THIS COUNTRY. I KNOW YOU OPPOSE IT BECAUSE OF THE DEBATE AT MacLEAN’S, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT 35% OF IT REQUIRES CONSULTATION AND IT DOES NOT BOIL DOWN TO WE WILL CONSULT WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLE UNTIL WE GET THEM TO AGREE WITH US. IT’S HOW TO PROTECT TERRITORIAL RIGHTS.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): WHAT DOES FREE, PRIOR AND INFORMED CONSENT MEAN?>>IT MEANS FREE PRIOR — >>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): WHO WANT THE PROJECTS — >>Elizabeth May (Green Party): WHY ARE YOU SET TO ASIDE THE HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL WHEN THEY FOUND THAT OUR GOVERNMENT CONDUCTED ACTS THAT WERE WILLFUL AND IN VIOLATION OF THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS CHILDREN. WE MUST LIVE UP TO THE DECISION.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): WHO WANT THESE PROJECTS TO GO AHEAD BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT’S THE KEY TO PROSPERITY. THEY KNOW IT’S THE WAY FOR THEIR YOUNG PEOPLE — >>Elizabeth May (Green Party): TERRITORIAL RIGHTS ARE INHERENTLY — I DON’T WANT TO ARGUE.>>Susan: MR. BLANCHET.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): YOU SAY, MR. SCHEER, YOU WANT TO RESPECT PROVINCES AND QUÉBEC’S JURISDICTION, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PIPELINE OF YOURS TO [Speaking French] — TRANSLATION, I’M SORRY, IN ENGLISH IS PIPELINE. YOU DON’T FEAR THE IDEA OF EXPROPRIATING TERRITORIES AND SAYING THAT THE CONSTITUTION, YOURS, NOT MINE, THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO THROUGH PROVINCES, THROUGH QUÉBEC, WITHOUT THEIR APPROVAL. AND MAY I REMIND YOU THAT QUÉBECERS AND THE PRIME MINISTER OF QUÉBEC HAVE SAID CLEARLY IT DOES NOT WANT IT.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THAT’S COMPLETELY FALSE. WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS ADDRESSING THE INDIGENOUS CONCERNS UP FRONT. GETTING THAT OUT OF THE WAY SO THERE CAN BE A GEOGRAPHIC SPACE SO PROJECTS CAN BE BUILT AGAIN.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): NOW IT BELONGS TO QUÉBEC.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT AROUND IT. YOU KNOW THAT QUÉBECERS PURCHASE A HUGE PERCENTAGE OF THE ENERGY FROM THE — >>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): NOT OIL FROM SAUDI ARABIA WHICH IS FALSE.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): I MADE MY CHOICE.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): YOU HAVE AND QUÉBEC WILL MAKE HIS.>>Susan: MR. BERNIER, HOW WILL WE RESPECT INDIGENOUS RIGHTS? I REMIND YOU. OH, MR. TRUDEAU. SORRY.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): THANK YOU. WE ALL REMEMBER 10 YEARS OF STEPHEN HARPER WHO DID NOT RESPECT INDIGENOUS RIGHTS, DID NOT RESPECT INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. AND MR. SCHEER, YOU’RE PUTTING FORWARD THE SAME PLAN THAT DIDN’T JUST FAIL INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, DIDN’T JUST FAIL INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES AND THEIR KIDS, BUT ALSO FAILED TO GET IMPORTANT ENERGY PROJECTS BUILT. WE NEED KEEP MOVING FORWARD IN A WAY THAT RESPECTS INDIGENOUS PEOPLES AND RESPECTS A RANGE OF VIEWS, BUT IS GROUNDED IN THE U.N. DECLARATION ON THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES THAT YOU HAVE CONSISTENTLY BLOCKED THROUGH YOUR PARTY’S ACTIONS. THAT IS NOT RESPECT FOR INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. PERRY BELLEGARDE, THE GRAND CHIEF HAS SAID THAT NO GOVERNMENT HAS DONE MORE FOR INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. HE’S ONE OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS.>>THAT’S RIGHT, HE COMES — >>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): HE WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO YOU. GIVE HIM A CALL SOMETIME.>>I HAVE NOTHING TO LEARN FROM MR. TRUDEAU WHO FIRED THE FIRST INDIGENOUS ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR DOING HER JOB. SHE SAID SHE WOULD DO POLITICS DIFFERENTLY AND YOU FIRED HER WHEN SHE DID. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT GETTING PIPELINES BUILT. YOU CANCELLED TWO PIPELINES AND THE ONE YOU BOUGHT, YOU CAN’T BUILD. YOU’VE LET TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN ALBERTANS AND SASKATCHEWAN DOWN.>>ACCEPTING THE FACT THAT I’M GOING TO ATTACKED FOR NOT BUILDING PIPELINES FOR SOME AND BUILDING IT FOR OTHERS.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): YOU’RE DOING NOTHING.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): YOU SAID THAT YOU’RE READY FOR BUILDING PIPELINES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, QUÉBECERS ARE READY TO BUY OIL AND GAS FROM CANADA. I AGREE WITH THAT. I AGREE THAT QUÉBECERS KNOW THAT IT’S SAFER TO TRANSPORT OIL AND GAS BY PIPELINE THAN BY TRAIN. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE QUÉBEC GOVERNMENT SAID THAT THERE IS NO SOCIAL ACCEPTABILITY FOR A PIPELINE IN QUÉBEC. WHAT WILL BE YOUR POSITION ON THAT? DO YOU THINK THAT YOU’LL BE ABLE TO USE THE CONSTITUTION, BECAUSE AFTER CONSULTATION, IF WE DON’T HAVE ANY AGREEMENT, WE MUST BE ABLE TO USE A CONSTITUTION TO BUILD A PIPELINE. WHEN YOU DO THAT, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE THE FULL AUTHORITY, THE FULL JURISDICTION TO APPROVE THE PIPELINE. BUT WHAT YOU’RE SAYING, YOU DON’T HAVE THE COURAGE TO USE THE CONSTITUTION TO BE SURE THAT WE HAVE PIPELINES IN THIS COUNTRY FOR THE UNITY OF OUR COUNTRY AND THE PROSPERITY OF OUR COUNTRY.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THAT’S NOT THE CASE AT ALL. I ALWAYS SAID THE GOVERNMENT MUST STAND UP FOR FEDERAL JURISDICTION. WE RESPECT PROVINCIAL JURISDICTION. WHEN YOU HAVE THE BEST IDEA, I’M CONVINCED I CAN GET SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): YOU DON’T HAVE THE SUPPORT IN QUÉBEC, YOU DON’T HAVE THE SUPPORT IN B.C.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): IT’S BETTER TO TAKE IT FROM THE PIPELINE THAN TAKING GAS FROM THE TANKER OR DONALD TRUMP.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A RECENT DECISION. THE HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL OF CANADA FOUND THAT THE HARPER GOVERNMENT AND MR. TRUDEAU’S GOVERNMENT WILLFULLY AND RECKLESSLY DISCRIMINATED AGAINST INDIGENOUS KIDS. THERE IS A LANDMARK DECISION THAT SAID THESE KIDS SHOULD GET EQUAL FUNDING. FINALLY JUSTICE FOR THE KIDS. THEN MR. TRUDEAU, NOW IN HIS GOVERNMENT, ARE GOING TO APPEAL THAT DECISION. HE WANTED TO FIGHT HARD TO KEEP SNC-LAVALIN OUT OF THE COURTS, BUT HE’S GOING TO DRAG INDIGENOUS KIDS TO COURT. THAT IS WRONG. HOW COULD SOMEONE DO THAT?>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THIS DECISION WILL HAVE HUGE RAMIFICATIONS FOR SEVERAL ASPECTS OF THE WAY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROVIDES SERVICES TO INDIGENOUS CANADIANS. IT ALSO IS A VERY LARGE SIGNIFICANT SETTLEMENT AMOUNT AND I BELIEVE WHEN YOU’RE DEALING WITH THESE TYPES OF IMPORTANT PUBLIC ISSUES, IT’S LEGITIMATE TO SAY IT SHOULD BE REVIEWED — HAVE A JUDICIAL REVIEW.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): I DISAGREE OF COURSE, BUT ONE OTHER ISSUE. I WENT TO GRASSY NARROWS. WE HAVE A COMMUNITY IMPACTED BY MERCURY POISONING AND THEY WENT TO A PRIVATE FUNDRAISER WHERE MR. TRUDEAU MOCKED HIM AND SAID, THANK YOU FOR — WHAT KIND OF PRIME MINISTER DOES THAT?>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): BECAUSE HE’S A FRAUD. I WISH I HAD THAT ANSWER, BUT ONE THAT DOESN’T DESERVE TO BE RE-ELECTED.>>Susan: THE OPEN DEBATE IS OVER, BUT WE CONTINUE ON THE THEME OF INDIGENOUS AFFAIRS. WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM AN AUDIENCE MEMBER HERE IN GATINEAU. NATASHA BEEDIE. GO AHEAD.>>GOOD EVENING. AS A MEMBER OF BOTH THE LIGHT FIRST NATION, MY QUESTION IS THIS, IF ELECTED, HOW WOULD YOUR PARTIES WORK WITH PROVINCES AND TERRITORIES ON RECOGNIZING AND AFFIRMING INDIGENOUS RIGHTS, SPECIFICALLY NOTING THE U.N. DECLARATION ON THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, THE TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION COMMISSION CALL TO ACTION, AND THE CALLS FOR JUSTICE IN THE RECENT MISSING AND MURDERED INDIGENOUS WOMEN AND GIRLS INQUIRY. MIIGWECH.>>Susan: THE LEADERS WILL ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, NATASHA. STARTING WITH MR. SCHEER.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. THERE IS A LOT THERE FOR 40 SECONDS. THERE ARE MANY AREAS IN THE MISSING AND MURDERED INDIGENOUS WOMEN AND GIRLS, THE REPORT THAT CONSERVATIVES HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR, FOR QUITE A WHILE. INCLUDING COMBATING HUMAN TRAFFICKING. SOMETHING THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. ALSO, WE SUPPORT PRESERVING INDIGENOUS LANGUAGES BY ENSURING THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES WHAT IT CAN TO PREVENT SOME OF THE LANGUAGES AT RISK OF BEING LOST. TO PRESERVE THEM. WHEN WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE U.N. DECLARATION ON THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FREE PRIOR AND INFORMED CONSENT, THAT LEAVES A GREAT DEAL OF UNCERTAINTY ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS. AND THERE ARE LARGE NUMBERS OF INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES WHO WANT THESE ENERGY PROJECTS TO SUCCEED AND WE NEED CERTAINTY AND CLARITY AROUND THAT.>>Susan: ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO MS. MAY.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): NATASHA, MIIGWECH. EXTREMELY IMPORTANT QUESTION AND GREENS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE UNITED THIS. WE WILL HONOUR THE U.N. DECLARATION ON THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. IT MUST BE BROUGHT INTO LAW IN THIS COUNTRY. AND THERE ARE EXISTING WEB OF LAWS AND REGULATIONS, WHICH WERE PROPERLY DESCRIBED AS CONSTITUTING STRUCTURAL VIOLENCE MUST BE REVIEWED AND BROUGHT UP TO THE STANDARD OF THE UNITED NATIONS DECLARATION. WE MUST BRING IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS 0 THE INQUIRY INTO THE MISSING AND MURDERED INDIGENOUS WOMEN AND GIRLS AND THE CALLS TO ACTION OF TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION COMMISSION. IT IS ON US TO BRING JUSTICE.>>WE ALSO SUPPORTED THE U.N. DECLARATION ON THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. I DO BELIEVE AND I SPEND THE MOST BEAUTIFUL MOMENTS WITH THE PEOPLE OF THE FIRST NATIONS. THEY ARE A NATION AS WELL AS CANADA AND QUÉBEC ARE A NATION. A NATION DOES NOT PUT THIS CULTURE, LANGUAGE, IN THE END OF ANOTHER NATION. SO WHAT THEY ASK FOR, AND THEY HAVE TO ASK BECAUSE WE ARE NOT — WE ARE NO BETTER THAN THEY ARE, REPRESENT THEMSELVES, IS THAT ALL THOSE REPORTS AND INQUIRIES AND DECLARATIONS, BRING SOMETHING REAL FOR THEM.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. WE HAVE MOVED FORWARD ON RECONCILIATION IN WAYS THAT NO PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN ABLE TO, BUT I’M THE FIRST TO RECOGNIZE THERE IS MUCH MORE TO DO. WE LIFTED 87 BOIL-WATER ADVISORIES AND WE’RE ON TRACK TO LIFTING 50 MORE, BUT WE’RE CONTINUING TO INVEST IN COMMUNITIES ON THE ISSUE OF CHILD AND FAMILY SERVICES. WE RECOGNIZE THE TRIBUNAL’S RULING THAT SAYS CHILDREN NEED TO BE COMPENSATED AND WE WILL COMPENSATE THEM. WE MOVED FORWARD TO END THE TRAGEDIES BY MOVING FORWARD ON LEGISLATION THAT KEEPS KIDS IN CARE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES WITH THEIR LANGUAGE, WITH THEIR CULTURE. WE ALSO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH GRASSY NARROWS WITH THE COMMUNITY ON A TREATMENT CENTRE AND MONEY IS NOT THE OBJECTION TO INVESTING IN WHAT THEY NEED IN THAT TREATMENT CENTRE.>>Susan: THANK YOU.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): NO OTHER LEADER IS READY TO BUILD A NEW RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR FIRST NATIONS. THEY ALL SUPPORT THE STATUS QUO. BUT THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN. WE STILL HAVE EXTREME POVERTY ON RESERVE. WE NEED A BOLD REFORM. AND WE ARE THE ONLY PARTY THAT WILL TRY TO IMPLEMENT PROPERTY RIGHTS ON RESERVE AND ALSO ESTABLISH A NEW RELATIONSHIP BASED ON SELF RELIANCE FOR THESE COMMUNITIES. WE NEED TO BUILD A NEW SYSTEM WORKING WITH THEM, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY WANT. BECAUSE WE CANNOT FIX THE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW IF WE DON’T DO A BOLD REFORM.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE QUESTION. REALLY, IT’S A MATTER OF RESPECT AND DIGNITY. ALL OF THE ISSUES YOU RAISED COME DOWN TO THE BASIC QUESTION OF RESPECT AND DIGNITY. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE’D DO, WE WOULDN’T TAKE INDIGENOUS KIDS TO COURT AND CHALLENGE A DECISION THAT SAYS THEY WERE RECKLESSLY DISCRIMINATED AGAINST. WE WOULDN’T DO THAT. WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY ADDRESS ISSUES OF JUSTICE. THAT MEANS IMPLEMENTING ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE REPORTS THAT ARE SO POWERFUL AND HAVE A GUIDELINE TOWARD SOLVING THE PROBLEMS. WE MAKE SURE THERE IS CLEAN DRINKING WATER. I DON’T ACCEPT EXCUSES WHY WE WANT IN 2019. GOOD QUALITY HOUSING AND EDUCATION AND WELFARE SERVICES. WE CAN DO THESE THINGS.>>Susan: THANK YOU. NOW WE HAVE TIME FOR ANOTHER LEADER TO LEADER DEBATE ON ANY TOPIC. LEADING THIS ONE OFF IS GREEN PARTY ELIZABETH MAY. YOU HAVE I BELIEVE ONE MINUTE.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): THANK YOU. MY QUESTION IS TO JUSTIN TRUDEAU. PICKING UP FROM THIS VERY FRACTURED DISCUSSION ON INDIGENOUS ISSUES, BUT LET’S FACE IT, RIGHT NOW INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, THE ASSEMBLE OF FIRST NATIONS IS TELLING US THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN IS CLIMATE EMERGENCY. IT’S NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO HAVE BETTER RHETORIC WITH MR. SCHEER AND IT’S NOT ABOUT RHETORIC. IT’S ABOUT A TARGET GROUNDED IN SCIENCE. AND WE NEED 60% REDUCTION BY 2030. NOT MR. SINGH’S 38, NOT YOUR 30. WILL YOU, MR. TRUDEAU, JOIN WITH ALL OF US IN AN INNER CABINET THAT GETS RID OF THE PARTISANSHIP — >>Susan: MR. TRUDEAU, YOUR ANSWER.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE RECOGNIZE THAT TARGETS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT TARGETS ARE NOT A PLAN. WE HAVE A REAL PLAN THAT HAS DELIVERED OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS ON OUR WAY TO BANNING SINGLE-USE PLASTICS, ON PUTTING A PRICE ON POLLUTION ACROSS THE COUNTRY, IN WAY THAT RETURNS MONEY TO CANADIANS. UNLIKE WHAT MR. SCHEER IS SAYING, MOST CANADIANS BETTER OFF. 80% OF CANADIANS BETTER OFF WITH A PRICE ON POLLUTION THAN THEY WILL BE WHEN HE RIPS UP OUR CLIMATE CHANGE IF HE WERE TO FORM GOVERNMENT AFTER THIS ELECTION. WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE AND BRING CANADIANS ALONG WITH IT. OUR PLAN IS REALISTIC AND AMBITIOUS AND DOABLE. AND THAT IS WHAT CANADIANS NEED. BECAUSE THE DANGER OF NOT ACTING ON THE ENVIRONMENT IS TREMENDOUS. THE DANGER OF NOT HAVING A PLAN FOR OUR FUTURE, EITHER THE ENVIRONMENT OR THE ECONOMY, IS GOING TO BE BORNE BY OUR KIDS.>>Susan: MS. MAY, OPEN DEBATE. THERE IS THREE MINUTES AND 45 SECONDS.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): THE SCIENCE IS CLEAR, YOUR TARGET IS A COMMITMENT TO FAILURE, THAT’S WHY IT’S DOABLE AND ACHIEVABLE, BECAUSE IT DOESN’T DO WHAT THE IPCC SAYS WE MUST DO. WE MUST GO OFF FOSSIL FUELS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. YOU BOUGHT A PIPELINE. YOU CAN’T BE A CLIMATE LEADER AND SPEND $10-13 BILLION MORE ON A PROJECT THAT BY ITSELF BLOWS THROUGH OUR CARBON FUNDING.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): A SLOGAN IS NOT A PLAN, MS. MAY. IT’S IS A — >>Elizabeth May (Green Party): WE HAVE A PLAN.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): CANADIANS NEED ACTION THAT IS GOING TO ACTUALLY MAKE US BETTER, FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE, PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT AND BUILD A STRONGER ECONOMY FOR OUR KIDS. THAT’S WHAT WE HAVE — >>Elizabeth May (Green Party): WITH ALL DUE RESPECT — >>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): — MORE IN THE PAST FOUR YEARS THAN ANY — >>Elizabeth May (Green Party): THAT’S NOT TRUE. PAUL MARTIN. NO ONE REMEMBERS PAUL MARTIN’S PLAN.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS WE DELIVERED ON IT.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THAT IS FALSE AND JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY SOMETHING OVER AND OVER AGAIN DOESN’T MAKE IT TRUE.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): IT WOULD BE NICE FOR YOU TO LEARN THAT, MR. SCHEER.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THERE IS NO CANADIAN THAT BELIEVES THEY’RE GOING TO BE BETTER OFF PAYING A CARBON TAX. YOU HAVE GIVEN A MASSIVE EXEMPTION TO THE COUNTRY’S LARGEST POLLUTERS.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): BECAUSE THE EXPERTS POINT OUT THAT 80% OF CANADIANS ARE BETTER OFF UNDER OUR — >>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THEY HAVE TO TRUST YOUR NUMBERS. NOBODY BELIEVES YOUR NUMBERS.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): YOU DO NOT WANT TO ACT ON CLIMATE CHANGE.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): LET ME HELP YOU OUT.>>Susan: ONE AT A TIME. MR. SINGH.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): I WANT TO SAY THIS DIRECTLY TO CANADIANS. YOU DO NOT CHOOSE BETWEEN MR. DELAY AND MR. DENY. THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION OUT THERE. WE ARE COMMITTED TO A REAL PLAN THAT IS GOING TO TAKE ON THE BIGGEST POLLUTERS CAN , TAKE ON THE POWERFUL INTERESTS.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): WHAT IS YOUR TARGET?>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): IT’S GOING TO BE TAKING ON THE POWERFUL.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): YOU NEED A PLAN THAT IS ROOTED IN SAVING OUR KIDS’ FUTURE.>>JUST WANTED TO ADD IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW — >>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): WE’RE PREPARED TO DO THAT.>>MR. SCHEER AND MR. TRUDEAU, YOU’RE THE SAME ON CLIMATE CHANGE. YOU WANT TO IMPOSE CARBON TAX AND MORE MIGRATION.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): THAT’S THE FIRST THING ALL NIGHT, MAX.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): YOU’RE THE SAME ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND YOU WON’T BE ABLE TO KEEP YOUR TARGET.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): YOU AND I HAVE TO FIND COMMON GROUND WHEN WE GET IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS. GREEN >>Elizabeth May (Green Party): IT THREATENS THE ST. LAWRENCE RIVER.>>THIS IS NOT WHAT I HAD IN MIND WHEN I PROVIDED ANSWERS TO THAT. I THINK LEGAULT SHOULD BE BOUND TO ALMOST NOTHING. 13, 16, THAT’S ALMOST NOTHING. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THIS IDEA OF EQUALIZATION ON GAS EMISSION. THOSE ARE OVER THE AVERAGE EMISSIONS THAT CANADA PAY AND THOSE WHO ARE UNDER GET THE MONEY.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WORK TOGETHER AND THAT’S THE QUESTION I ASKED MR. TRUDEAU. ARE ANY OF YOU PREPARED TO ACCEPT THE NOTION OF CHANGING STATUS QUO DECISION-MAKING — >>I WOULD NOT WORK –>>THAT IS –>>DOES NOT HELP.>>Susan: THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE. THIS CONCLUDES THE ROUND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND ONTO THE NEXT ONE. [ ♪♪ ]>>Dawna: HELLO. I’M DAWNA FRIESEN. I’M MODERATING THIS SEGMENT ON AFFORDABILITY AND INCOME SECURITY. YOU’VE ALL BEEN VIGOROUS IN THE DEBATE. SOME OF THE COMMENTS A LITTLE LONG. WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRIM A BIT IN TERMS OF TIME, BUT WE’LL MAKE SURE WE KEEP THE TRIMS THERE AND EQUAL. — FAIR AND EQUAL. MS. MAY, I HAVE A QUESTION TO YOU. CANADIANS ARE CARRYING TWO TRILLION DOLLARS OF HOUSEHOLD DEBT. THAT MEANS THE AVERAGE CANADIAN OWES ABOUT $1.79 FOR EVERY DOLLAR OF INCOME. IT’S NEVER BEEN THIS HIGH. WE’RE BORROWING TO LIVE. SOMETHING MY PARENTS TOLD ME WAS A TERRIBLE IDEA. YOU HAVE MADE A BOLD PROMISE TO BALANCE THE FEDERAL BUDGET IN FIVE YEARS. HOW DO YOU DO THAT WITHOUT CAUSING FINANCIAL PAIN FOR CANADIANS AND PUTTING PEOPLE FURTHER INTO DEBT? WHAT IS THE SINGEST BIGGEST THING THAT WILL REDUCE HOUSEHOLD DEBT?>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. I’M PLEASED THAT WE’RE THE PARTY ON STAGE WITH A FULL PLATFORM. HAVE THE BUDGET NUMBERS PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE AND APPROVED BY KEVIN PAGE AND THE INSTITUTE FOR FISCAL STUDIES AND DEMOCRACY. THE WAY TO BRING MORE PUBLIC SERVICE, TO BRING MORE HELP TO CANADIANS, CHILD CARE, BANNING TUITION, INVESTING IN POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION. PHARMACARE, DENTAL PROGRAMMES FOR LOW-INCOME CANADIANS. ALL THINGS THAT MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE IS NOT TO HAVE CUTS, BUT GO AFTER PLACES WITH REVENUE. OFFSHORE MONEY THAT IS HIDDEN. FINANCIAL TRANSACTION TAX. GOING AFTER PEOPLE WITH MORE THAN $20 MILLION IN WEALTH. AND A SERIES OF MOVES TO INCREASE THE REVENUE COMING INTO THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA. NOW THAT IS ALL, OF COURSE, BASED ON THE CURRENT ECONOMIC SITUATION. IF WE HIT A RECESSION, WE WOULD NOT SLAVISHLY OR IDEALOGICALLY BALANCE THE BOOKS, BUT RIGHT NOW WE THINK WE’LL HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET IN FIVE YEARS.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): IT IS REALLY A BAD IDEA TO BORROW TO LIVE. IT IS A NO BETTER IDEA TO CUT TOO STRONGLY INTO SERVICES TO PEOPLE THAT MAINLY NEED IT. WHAT ABOUT THE IDEA OF CUTTING ALL SUBSIDIES TO OIL AS WE PROPOSED TO DO WITH BRINGING ALONG ON THE FLOOR ABOUT THAT. HOW ABOUT THIS IDEA WE HAVE EQUALIZATION, BRING MONEY TO THE GOVERNMENT? HOW ABOUT SETTING INTO THOSE SHELTERS, INCLUDING THE TWO NEW ONES CREATED BY MR. TRUDEAU? AND WHAT ABOUT TAXING THOSE GIANTS ON THE WEB THAT STEAL THE MONEY FROM OUR ADVERTISING COMPANIES?>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): IN OUR PLATFORM, WE CALL FOR TAXES ON THE E-COMMERCE COMPANIES, THE VIRTUALS, THE AMAZON, GOOGLE AND Facebook, THAT MINE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND PAY VIRTUALLY NO TAX. WE HAVE TO CUT ALL FOSSIL FUEL SUBSIDIES. THAT WAS A PROMISE MADE BY MR. HARPER AND MR. TRUDEAU IN 2015, BUT THEY’VE INCREASED BECAUSE WE’RE SUBSIDIZING L.N.G., WHICH WOULD I LIKE TO HEAR WHERE YOU ARE ON THAT? AND RIGHT NOW WE’RE GIVING — >>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): I WAS THE MINISTER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE — >>Dawna: MR. TRUDEAU, YOUR CHANCE TO DEBATE.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE MADE A DIFFERENT DECISION THAN MR. HARPER HAD. WHEN WE DECIDED TO INVEST IN CANADIANS INSTEAD. THAT DECISION TO INVEST IN THE MIDDLE CLASS AND PEOPLE WORKING HARD TO JOIN IT LIFTED 900,000 PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY INCLUDING 300,000 KIDS. WE GAVE MORE SUPPORT FOR STUDENTS GOING TO SCHOOL. WE MADE MORE SUPPORTS FOR SENIORS. WHAT THAT HAS DONE IS GROWN OUR ECONOMY MORE THAN A MILLION NEW JOBS CREATED, MOST OF THEM FULL-TIME AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE REDUCED POVERTY EXCEEDING ANY TARGETS. WE’VE DONE THAT IN WAY THAT IS RESPONSIBLE. THE INTERNATIONAL CREDIT — >>Elizabeth May (Green Party): IT WAS 8 SECONDS LESS THAN ME. THE CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT ALL THESE DEBATES AND A NUMBER OF LEADERS ON STAGE, WE DON’T HAVE ANY SECTION ON HEALTH COSTS OR HEALTH CARE IN THE COURSE OF TWO DEBATES. SO I WANT TO TURN THIS TO THE AFFORDABILITY ISSUE AND HOW MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE LIFE WILL BE FOR CANADIANS WITH FULL UNIVERSAL SINGLE PAYER PHARMACARE. IT’S IN OUR PLATFORM. IT’S PARTIALLY IN YOURS. IT’S IN MR. SINGH’S.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE’VE TAKEN CONCRETE ACTIONS TOWARD THAT. LOWERING DRUG PRICES. LOWERING PRICES — >>Elizabeth May (Green Party): BUT ARE YOU PREPARED TO ACCEPT ERIC HOSKINS’S RECOMMENDATIONS?>>Dawna: YOUR CHANCE.>>I LOOK THE AT YOUR PLATFORM, ELIZABETH, AND YOU KNOW YOU WILL SPEND $60 BILLION. SPENDING WON’T CREATE ANY WEALTH. YOU CANNOT SPEND YOUR WAY TO PROSPERITY. WE NEED TO HAVE MORE PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENT. AND AT THE END, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THAT OUR NATIONAL CREDIT CARD IS FULL. WE STILL HAVE DEFICITS. AND MR. TRUDEAU JUST HAD $70 BILLION ON OUR DEBT AND YOU HAD ANOTHER $60 BILLION ON OUR DEBT. IT IS NOT RESPONSIBLE. OUR CHILDREN WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): YOUR FAMOUS PRIVATE SECTOR HAVING GOT MASSIVE TAX CUTS WHEN YOU WERE IN MR. HARPER’S CABINET BASED ON THESE WERE THE CARBON CREATORS. THEY HAVE NOT INVESTED IN THE ECONOMY. THEY’RE SITTING ON PILES OF CASH. MARK CARNEY CALLS IT THE DEAD MONEY. WE NEED TO GET THAT MONEY INTO INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS LIKE A NATIONAL GRID.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): DO YOU KNOW WHERE WE AGREE?>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): NO PIPELINES, BUT WE NEED AN ELECTRICITY GRID THAT SERVES THE NEEDS OF EVERY CANADIAN.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): YOU DON’T WANT SUBSIDIES TO THE OIL AND GAS AND I DON’T BELIEVE IN SUBSIDIES ALSO IN CAPITAL AFFAIRS, SO WE CAN AGREE ON THAT.>>Dawna: MR. SINGH?>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU WANTED TO SHIFT THE DISCUSSION TOWARD HEALTH CARE. I THINK IT’S ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS THAT FAMILIES HAVE. CANADIANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THEY CAN’T GET THE MEDICATION THEY NEED. THEY CAN’T GET THE DENTAL CARE THEY NEED. I MET A WOMAN IN MY OFFICE IN BURNABY WHO WAS COVERING HER MOUTH BECAUSE SHE WAS EMBARRASSED BECAUSE SHE LOST HER TEETH BECAUSE SHE COULDN’T GET THE TEETH SHE NEEDED. THAT’S HEARTBREAKING. I KNOW YOU’RE PREPARED TO DO THIS, BUT THE PROBLEM IS MR. TRUDEAU DOES NOT HAVE THE COURAGE TO TAKE ON THE INSURANCE AND THE PHARMACEUTICAL LOBBYISTS WHO DON’T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN. I’M GOING TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. IF YOU VOTE NEW DEMOCRAT, WE’RE GOING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, BECAUSE WE DON’T WORK FOR THE POWERFUL AND WEALTHY. WE DON’T MEET WITH PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES AND LISTEN TO THEM. WE WORK FOR YOU, CANADIANS.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): I HOPE YOU AGREE WITH ME, WE NEED TO RENEGOTIATE A NEW HEALTH ACCORD. WE NEED TO GET BACK AT THE TABLE. THE CONSTITUENTS IN MY RIDING, EIGHT DEBATES WITH THE LOCAL CANDIDATES IN THE RIDING, ALL OF YOU GUYS CAN BE PROUD BECAUSE I’VE BEEN IN EIGHT DEBATES WITH THEM IN THE LAST WEEK. ONE THING WE HEARD FROM EVERY CONSTITUENT IN EVERY TOWN HALL, WE’RE SUFFERING FROM A LACK OF FAMILY DOCTORS. WE NEED INVESTMENT IN THE HEALTH CARE. THE WHEELS ARE FALLING OFF THE BUS.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): AND MR. TRUDEAU CONTINUES THE SAME CUTS BROUGHT IN BY — >>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND HOUSEHOLD DEBT. AND THE ENTIRE THEME OF OUR PLATFORM IS LEAVING MORE MONEY IN THE POCKETS OF CANADIANS SO THAT THEY CAN GET AHEAD. IT’S TIME FOR CANADIANS TO HAVE A BREAK. OUR UNIVERSAL TAX CUT MEANS $850 IN THE POCKET OF HARD-WORKING AVERAGE-INCOME CANADIAN. WE’RE GOING TO BRING BACK THE CHILDREN’S FITNESS TAX CREDIT TO MAKE RAISING CHILDREN FOR AFFORDABLE. WE’RE GOING TO BRING BACK THE GREEN PUBLIC TRANSIT CREDIT MAKING TAKING THE BUS MORE AFFORDABLE. WE’RE GOING TO BRING IN THE GREEN RENOVATION HOME TAX CREDIT. AND HELP LOWER EMISSIONS. WE’RE GOING — >>Elizabeth May (Green Party): COSTS WILL GO THROUGH THE ROOF.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): WE’RE GOING TO REDUCE CANADA’S FOREIGN AID BUDGET BY 25%. SO WE’RE GOING TO STOP SENDING MONEY TO THE RELATIVELY WELL OFF COUNTRIES, WE’RE GOING TO BRING THAT HOME SO CANADIANS CAN GET AHEAD.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): THERE MR. SCHEER, THAT MAY BE THE WORST IDEA IN YOUR WHOLE PLATFORM. FOREIGN AID. THIS COUNTRY IS COMMITTED TO UNITED NATIONS, ENDING POVERTY WITHIN NEXT DECADE WITHIN CANADA AND GLOBALLY IS POSSIBLE. BUT NOT IF WE EVER HAD THE MISFORTUNE OF HAVING YOUR GREEDY AND SELFISH POLICIES.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): IT’S NOT GREEDY PUTTING MONEY INTO THE POCKETS OF CANADIANS.>>Dawna: WE’LL HEAR FROM ANOTHER CANADIAN ON THE THEME OF AFFORDABILITY. ONE OF THE MANY PLACES CANADIANS ARE WATCHING, YELLOWKNIFE, NORTHWEST TERRITORIES. HERE THE COPPER HOUSE RESTAURANT. EARLIER WE HEARD A QUESTION ON AFFORDABILITY FROM SCOTT MARSDEN.>>HI, MY NAME IS SCOTT MARSDEN FROM YELLOWKNIFE. MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS YOUR GOVERNMENT GOING TO DO WITH INCOME INEQUALITY AND AFFORDABILITY IN CANADA?>>Dawna: MS. MAY?>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): I’VE BEEN IN THE RESTAURANT. HELLO, YELLOWKNIFE. GOOD TO SEE YOU. WE MUST ASK FOR INCOME EQUALITY. WE NEED TO LOOK AT OVER THE YEARS, THE GAP BETWEEN THE WEALTHIEST CANADIANS AND AVERAGE CANADIANS CONTINUE TO EXPAND. WE’RE CALLING FOR A TAX COMMISSION. WE HAVEN’T HAD A PROPER TAX COMMISSION SINCE THE 1960s TO EXAMINE OUR TAX CODE. TO FIND OUT IF ALL THE CUTS THAT ARE PILED UP ONE AFTER THE OTHER AFTER SUCCESSIVE GOVERNMENTS IS TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM THOSE CANADIANS WHO NEED IT MOST AND ALLOWING THOSE WITH MASSIVE INCOME, AS MANY AUDITOR GENERALS HAVE FOUND, TO BE TREATED WITH SPECIAL STATUS AND DON’T HAVE TO PAY TAXES.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): FIRST, I MUST SAY THAT, IF SAYING TWO THINGS AT THE END OF TIME, IS YOUR WAY TO DO THINGS, IT MIGHT BE DONE ALREADY. HOWEVER, ABOUT THE ISSUE. IF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS TO RESPECT JURISDICTION OF PROVINCES, IT WOULD TAKE LESS TIME. IT WOULD COST LESS MONEY. AND PROVINCES IN QUÉBEC WHO DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO ABOUT HEALTH CARE. OWED TO QUÉBEC AND PROVINCES. THIS IS WHAT HAS TO BE DONE. THE MONEY SHOULD BE GIVEN TO PROVINCES IN QUÉBEC BECAUSE IT IS MOSTLY — IT’S NOT ONLY THEIR JURISDICTION. THAT HELPS PEOPLE.>>Dawna: MR. TRUDEAU. THE QUESTION IS ABOUT INCOME INEQUALITY AND WHAT YOU WOULD DO?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEED TO HELP PEOPLE MORE DIRECTLY. THAT’S WHY THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS LOWER TAXES FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS AND RAISE THEM ON THE WEALTHY 1%. WE’RE MOVING FORWARD. NOTHING FOR THE WEALTHIEST, UNLIKE MR. SCHEER’S UNIVERSAL TAX CREDIT. WE’RE ALSO MOVING FORWARD INCREASING THE CHILD BENEFIT WHICH LIFTED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OUT OF POVERTY. BY 15% FOR IT’S OVER ONE. OLD AGE SECURITY FOR SENIOR OVER 75. WE’RE MAKING SURE STUDENTS HAVE AN EASIER TIME BACK THEIR STUDENT DEBT. WE’RE INVESTING IN CANADIANS.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR CANADIANS. WE ARE THE ONLY PARTY THAT WILL BALANCE THE BUDGET IN TWO YEARS. ALL THE OTHER PARTIES ON THIS STAGE WILL SPEND AND SPEND AND SPEND. THAT IS NOT A SOLUTION. WE WILL DO THAT WITHOUT CUTTING SERVICES. WE WILL CUT CORPORATE WELFARE. ALL THE CORPORATE WELFARE. $5 BILLION THAT WE CAN SAVE THERE. ALL THE POLITICAL PARTIES, THE ONLY PROMISE THEY DO, THEY DO EVERYTHING TO GET YOUR VOTE AND PROMISE YOU TO DO NOTHING EXCEPT BALANCING THE BUDGET. AFTER THAT, LOWER YOUR TAXES. THAT’S THE ONLY RESPONSIBLE POLICY.>>Dawna: MR. SINGH?>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): I WANT TO THANK SCOTT FOR THE QUESTION. INCOME INEQUALITY IS MASSIVE. THERE IS MASSIVE WEALTH INQUALITY. WHEN 87 FAMILIES IN CANADA HAVE THE COMBINED WEALTH OF THREE PROVINCES, IT HURTS FAMILIES. IT MEANS WE DON’T HAVE FUNDS TO INVEST IN HEALTH CARE, TO INVEST IN DENTAL CARE. WHILE MR. TRUDEAU LIKES TO TALK A NICE GAME, HE SAYS NICE WORDS, BUT WHAT HE’S DONE IS GIVEN $14 BILLION TO THE RICHEST CORPORATIONS TO BUY PRIVATE JETS AND LIMOUSINES. WE WOULD, INSTEAD, INVEST IN PEOPLE, ASK THE SUPER WEALTHY TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE AND INVEST IN PROGRAMMES TO RELIEVE THE COST ON FAMILIES.>>Dawna: MR. SCHEER.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): MR. TRUDEAU HAS HIS FACTS WRONG AGAIN. OUR UNIVERSAL TAX CUT DRASTICALLY IS MUCH BETTER FOR MIDDLE INCOME CANADIANS THAN HIS PROPOSAL. AND HE THINKS THAT SOMEONE EARNING $47,000 A YEAR IS SOMEHOW TOO RICH FOR A TAX CUT. I DISAGREE. WE RECOGNIZE THAT YOU DON’T NEED TO TEAR PEOPLE DOWN TO LIFT OTHERS UP. JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S ATTACK ON SMALL BUSINESSES, THREATENING THEM, MAKING IT HARDER FOR THEM TO GROW AND EXPAND AND OFFER THE TYPES OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT LEAD TO THE JOBS THAT HAVE MUCH HIGHER INCOME EARNINGS WAS PRECISELY PART OF THE PROBLEM OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, ALL THE WHILE PROTECTING PEOPLE WHO INHERITED TRUST FUNDS. WE’LL TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH. WE’LL ENSURE THAT ENTREPRENEURS HAVE THE SUPPORT THEY NEED TO GROW AND SUCCEED.>>Dawna: WE’RE GOING TO MOVE ON. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE BLOC QUEBECOIS LEADER, YVES-FRANCOIS BLANCHET. AFTER WHICH, EACH ONE OF THE LEADERS WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO DEBATE HIM. QUÉBEC IS ONE OF FIVE PROVINCES TO RECEIVE EQUALIZATION PAYMENTS. IT RECEIVED $13.1 BILLION, THE HIGHEST OF ANY PROVINCE. THAT’S THE BENEFIT OF A FEDERAL SYSTEM WHERE WEALTH IS SHARED. YOU REFERRED TO THE MONEY AS ASSISTANCE CHEQUE. PREMIER LEGAULT SAID HE WANTS TO WEAN QUÉBEC OFF EQUALIZATION PAYMENTS. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? AND HOW WOULD THAT MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR CANADIANS?>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. FIRST, THE SYSTEM CALLED EQUALIZATION IS BASED ON SOME FLAWED REASONINGS. WAYS TOENLIZE THINGS. AND — ANALYZE THINGS. THIS IS WHY WE PROPOSE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD REPLACE IT. OIL PROVINCES ARE VERY WEALTHY AND THOSE RESOURCES WITH MONEY FROM ALL ACROSS CANADA, INCLUDING QUÉBEC. AND TODAY, WE ARE USING IT AS A THREAT OVER QUÉBEC, WHICH CITIZENS DO NOT WANT TO BE A PASSAGE FOR THIS OIL THROUGH THEIR TERRITORY, BECAUSE THEY RELY ON CLEAN ENERGY AND BELIEVE THIS IS THE ONLY RESPONSIBLE WAY TO DO THINGS. WE PROPOSE A KIND OF EQUALIZATION THAT WOULD BE BASED WITHOUT ANY CONSTITUTION CHANGE ON HOW PROVINCES ARE FORMED IN FIGHTING CLIMATE CHANGE. THOSE WHO ARE OVER AVERAGE PAY THOSE UNDER THE AVERAGE, RECEIVE THE MONEY, GIVING A STRONG ENCOURAGEMENT FOR EVERYBODY TO REDUCE THE GHG EMISSIONS.>>Dawna: THANK YOU. THE LEADERS WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO DEBATE THIS ONE ON ONE. BEGINNING WITH YOU, MR. TRUDEAU.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): THANK YOU. EQUALIZATION EXISTS SO EVERY CANADIAN ACROSS THE COUNTRY, REGARDLESS OF PROVINCE, ACCESSES THE SAME QUALITY OF SERVICES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IT IS NOT A PERFECT SYSTEM, BUT A SYSTEM THAT ENSURES EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY ACROSS CANADA. WE’VE CONTINUED TO ENGAGE WITH PROVINCES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ON UPDATING THE EQUALIZATION FORMULA IN WAYS THAT ARE FAIR. AND IT’S SOMETHING THAT CONTINUES TO BIND THIS COUNTRY TOGETHER. UNFORTUNATELY, YOU, MR. BLANCHET, AS A SOVEREIGNTIST, LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE FIGHTS BETWEEN QUÉBEC AND THE REST OF CANADA TO ADVANCE YOURSELF.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): WE HAVE ALL OF WESTERN CANADA AND YOU MAKE US PAY AGAIN WITH THE IDEA OF BUYING A PIPELINE OVER THERE. AND TELL ME SOMETHING, WHAT CAN CANADIANS DO THAT A QUÉBECER CANNOT DO? WHY WOULD WE NEED — >>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): BY DEFINITION, A QUÉBECER CAN DO ANYTHING A CANADIAN CAN DO, BECAUSE A QUÉBECER IS A CANADIAN AND WILL REMAIN A CANADIAN UNDER MY WATCH.>>Dawna: MR. BERNIER.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): SPEAKING ABOUT THE EQUALIZATION AND THE ONLY LEADER WHO IS READY TO LOOK AT THE EQUALIZATION FORMULA FOR BEING SURE THAT THE FORMULA WILL BE LESS GENEROUS AND FAIR FOR EVERY PROVINCE. LET ME EXPLAIN. IT IS NOT FAIR TO TAX THE PEOPLE OUT WITH AND ALSO IN QUÉBEC, BECAUSE QUÉBECERS, YOU KNOW, ARE PROUD. THEY WANT TO LIVE IN A RICHER PROVINCE. SO WHAT WE MUST DO IS GIVE THE RIGHT INCENTIVE TO PROVINCES TO THEIR OWN RESOURCES. IT’S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT EQUALIZATION. THEY DON’T WANT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION. LET’S BE FAIR FOR EVERYBODY.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): YOU SHARE THIS IDEA — >>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): IT IS IMPORTANT WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN ALBERTA, 20% OF PEOPLE IN ALBERTA WANT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION. AND THEN — >>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): QUÉBECERS RECEIVE LESS MONEY FOR EQUALIZATION PER CAPITA THAN ANYBODY ELSE RECEIVES IT IN CANADA. DO YOU MIND ABOUT STOPPING THOSE LINES.>>I WAS THINKING ABOUT WAYS TO MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE. THIS IS WHERE WE CAN DO A LOT IF WE WORK TOGETHER. THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS, WE CAN BUILD A BETTER CANADA IF WE TACKLE CHALLENGES. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEAR ABOUT IN QUÉBEC IS THE COST OF HEALTH CARE THAT IS NOT THERE WHEN THEY NEED IT. THE UNIVERSAL PHARMACARE PLAN WE USE THE BUYING POWER OF ALL CANADIANS, IT’S DELIVERED PROVINCIALLY, WE CAN BUY MEDICATION FOR –>>IT IS DELIVERED PROVINCIALLY. AND DENTAL CARE WOULD BE, IF WE WANTED TO PROVINCIAL JURISDICTION. YOU HAVE GOOD IDEAS, BUT YOUR IDEAS ALWAYS INTERFERE AND INFRINGE INTO JURISDICTIONS WHICH ARE THOSE — IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, DO IT FOR CANADA. TAKE PART OF THE MONEY AS THE CONSTITUTION ALLOWS.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): WE CAN DO THAT AND WORK TOGETHER. THE OTHER THING WE NEED TO DO IS TACKLE THE PROBLEM OF HOUSING. HOUSING IS CONCERNING PEOPLE. FEDERAL MONEY USED TO BE INVESTED IN BUILDING AND PARTNERSHIPS WITH PROVINCES TO BUILD HOUSING. WE WANT DO THAT AGAIN.>>Dawna: MR. SCHEER.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): I DON’T KNOW HOW PEOPLE KEEP GETTING US MIXED UP. I’M WEARING AN ORANGE SHIRT.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): I’M SLIGHTLY TALLER THAN YOU. ON SO MANY ISSUES, YVES-FRANCOIS BLANCHET AGREES WITH JUSTIN TRUDEAU. HE WILL SUPPORT JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S HIGHER TAXES, MASSIVE DEFICITS THAT WILL CONTINUE TO PUT PRESSURE ON CANADIAN TAXPAYERS. MANY MORE OF THEIR DOLLAR TO PAY THE INTEREST ON THE DEBT. AND >>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): WITHOUT RAISING TAXES, SO YOU DIDN’T LISTEN OR UNDERSTAND.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): WE KNOW THAT MR. BLANCHET’S PRIORITY IS WORKING WITH THE BLOC QUEBECOIS ON SOVEREIGNTY. WE KNOW IF VOTES FOR THE BLOC QUEBECOIS M.P.s MEAN THAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU STAYS PRIME MINISTER, THE [Speaking French] — >>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): REMEMBER THAT ALL THOSE THAT YOU SAY THAT YOU DID FOR QUÉBECERS WAS DONE.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): HIS OIL AND GAS FROM THE UNITED STATES. YOU PREFER SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO SUPPORT THAT ECONOMY. I PREFER CANADIAN ENERGY.>>Dawna: YOU TALKED OVER EACH OTHER AND YOU’RE BOTH OUT OF TIME. MS. MAY.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): FORGIVE ME, BUT I SEE YOU, CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING ELECTED M.L.A. WE NEED EQUALIZATION IN CANADA. WE’RE A COUNTRY, WE’RE A FAMILY. YOUR PROPOSAL MR. BLANCHET WOULD BE TO PUT EXTRA BURDEN ON THOSE PARTS OF CANADA, LIKE ALBERTA THAT, HAVE THE TOUGHEST CHALLENGE TO MEET THE CLIMATE CRISIS. WE’RE CONCERNED AS GREENS THAT WE WORK TOGETHER. THAT WE NOT ALIENATE ALBERTA.>>I NOTICE YOU HAVE TO STRONG SENSE WITH ALBERTA SINCE YOUR PREVIOUS POSITIONS ON OIL IS NICE TO THEM.>>THEY’RE SHUTTING DOWN THE OILSANDS BY 2030.>>A FAMILY DOESN’T AGREE WITH OTHERS AND DOESN’T HAVE TO BE FORCED DO WHAT OTHERS SAY.>>WE’RE FACING A CLIMATE EMERGENCY –>>THIS IS A WORLD, AND COUNTRY, INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS, PROVINCES DON’T.>>Dawna: ALL RIGHT.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): WE HAVE TO PULL OUR WEIGHT AS PROVINCES AND NATIONS AND WE DO IT TOGETHER.>>Dawna: WE WILL END THE SEGMENT. YVES-FRANCOIS BLANCHET, YOU CAN ASK ANY OTHER LEADER ON A TOPIC OF YOUR CHOICE.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): HMM. MR. SCHEER, YOU SAID IN ENGLISH A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT YOU WERE STRONGLY AGAINST THE IDEA OF BILL 21. THEN YOU SAID IN FRENCH IN EFFECT THAT YOU WOULD DO NOTHING AGAINST THAT — IN FRENCH THAT YOU WOULD DO NOTHING. BUT YOUR CLOSE DELIBERATER, SAID, THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY THAT YOU WOULD PROTECT THE BILL 21. YOU SAID THAT IN FRENCH. I ADMIT, YOU WERE THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD PROTECT THE BILL — >>Dawna: CAN YOU GET TO THE QUESTION.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): HOW WILL YOU DO THAT?>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THE ANSWER IS VERY SIMPLE. I’VE BEEN VERY CLEAR ON THE ISSUE. WE WILL NOT INTERVENE IN THE COURT CASE THAT IS CURRENTLY BEFORE THE COURTS. THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OF QUÉBEC HAVE TAKEN THE DECISION AND IT’S BEFORE — >>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): I ACCEPT THAT. THAT IS PROTECTING — >>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): I ALWAYS SAID IN ENGLISH AND FRENCH, IT’S IMPORTANT THAT A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RESPECTS AND PROTECTS INDIVIDUAL LIBERTIES AND INDIVIDUAL HUMAN RIGHTS. WE WILL NOT PURSUE THIS COURT OF ACTION AT A FEDERAL LEVEL.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): YOUR JURISDICTION –>>Dawna: MR. SCHEER HAS THE LAW.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): IT’S SIMPLE. IT’S THE SAME THING IN FRENCH. WE WILL NOT INTERVENE IN THE COURT CASE. THE COURT CASE WILL DECIDE THIS >>IT’S THE SAME POSITION, MR. BLANCHET. YOU’RE TRYING TO CREATE CONFUSION WHERE IT DOESN’T EXIST.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): DOES NOT MEAN YOU WILL PROTECT IT. I WILL PROTECT IT.>>Dawna: WE’RE GOING TO HAVE AN OPEN DEBATE. THAT WAS MR. SCHEER’S TIME TO ANSWER. WE WILL NOW HAVE THE OPEN DEBATE. MR. BLANCHET, YOU MAY BEGIN.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): OKAY.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): CAN I SPEAK NOW BECAUSE YOU SPOKE DURING MINE? THE ISSUE ON THIS HAS BEEN EXACTLY THE SAME FROM THE BEGINNING. YOU’RE TRYING TO CREATE CONFUSION WHERE IT DOESN’T EXIST. I’VE BEEN CLEAR IN ENGLISH AND FRENCH, THE ANSWERS HAVE BEEN THE SAME. THIS IS SOMETHING AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL WE WILL NOT PURSUE. THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY HAS ALWAYS STOOD FOR INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY, FUNDAMENTAL HIGHLIGHTS. IT WAS CONSERVATIVE PRIME MINISTER THAT BROUGHT FORWARD THE BILL OF RIGHTS. THE LAST TESTIMONY FROM SASKATCHEWAN, DIEFENBAKER.>>YOU WON’T DEFEND A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE. LGBTQ PROTECTION. YOU HAVEN’T APOLOGIZED FOR YOUR WORDS AGAINST LGBT CANADIANS YEARS AGO. WILL YOU RECOGNIZE AND APOLOGIZE?>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): MILLIONS OF CANADIANS HAVE A DIFFERENT ON THIS ISSUE. LIKE MANY CANADIANS I’M PRO-LIFE. IT’S OKAY IN THIS COUNTRY TO HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION. SOMETHING YOU DO NOT RECOGNIZE.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): CANADIANS NEED TO KNOW THAT THEIR PRIME MINISTER — >>Dawna: ONE AT A TIME, PLEASE.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): HAVE NOT CHANGED FOR 30 YEARS, UNDER LIBERAL PRIME MINISTERS, CONSERVATIVE PRIME MINISTERS.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE KNOW THEIR PRIME MINISTER WILL BE THERE TO DEFEND THEM.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): YOU JUST ANSWERED THE QUESTION.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): UNEQUIVOCAL, YOU’RE NOT ON WOMEN’S RIGHTS. YOU’RE SIGNING PAPERS OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TALK AWAY –>>YOUR MISOGYNIST CANDIDATE IN NOVA SCOTIA?>>Dawna: NOBODY CAN HEAR WHAT YOU’RE SAYING ANYMORE.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE WILL BE SIGNING THE NOMINATION — >>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): NO WAY –>>THE RIGHT.>>Dawna: I KNOW. YOU’RE HAVING A MINI DEBATE OVER HERE.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): NO POSITION ON A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE. LET’S BE VERY CLEAR ON THAT.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): IT’S BEEN REALLY INTERESTING FOR THE CAMPAIGN TO HEAR A LOT OF MEN ARGUING ABOUT WHAT A WOMAN’S RIGHT SHOULD BE, BUT HAVING ALL OF YOU, EXCEPT MAX, PARTICIPATE IN THE TVA DEBATE WHERE YOU WERE HAPPY TO KEEP WOMEN OFF THE STAGE, YOU PARTICIPATED IN A DEBATE THAT DID NOT LET OUR LITTLE GIRLS SEE THERE IS A CHANCE FOR A WOMAN IN THE COUNTRY TO BE A PRIME MINISTER, TO RUN AS A LEADER OF A PARTY. WE MUST BE CLEAR AS ALL LEADERS, AND YOU’RE NOT CLEAR, ANDREW, THAT WE WILL NEVER ALLOW A SINGLE INCH OF RETREAT FROM THE HARD-EARNED RELATES OF WOMEN IN — RIGHTS OF WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY, NOT ONE INCH.>>MEANS YOU’RE OPEN TO WORKING WITH MR. SCHEER AND –>>YOUR OWN M.P.s COULD COME UP WITH A LAW AGAINST ABORTION AND YOU SAID YOU WOULD TOLERATE IT.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): I SAID I DON’T ALLOW ANYONE TO RUN IN THE PARTY THAT –>>THEY ARE ENDANGERING THE DECISION.>>Dawna: THIS NEEDS MORE TIME. I’M AFRAID WE DON’T HAVE MORE TIME. MS. MAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE ON. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR SEGMENT. [ ♪♪ ]>>Rosemary: HI, EVERYONE. I’M ROSEMARY BARTON FROM CBC NEWS. OUR NEXT SCENE, WE’VE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, THE THEME, ENVIRONMENT AND ENERGY. WE WILL START WITH A QUESTION FROM ANOTHER CANADIAN. A GATHERING OF PEOPLE WATCHING THE DEBATE AT THE HALIFAX CENTRAL LIBRARY. WE’LL TALK TO BRITTAIN BANCROFT OF MINTO, NEW BRUNSWICK AND HAS THIS QUESTION.>>HI, I’M FROM MINTO NEW BRUNSWICK. I BELIEVE WE LIVE IN AN AGE OF CLIMATE CRISIS. THIS IS THE LAST ELECTION WE HAVE BEFORE NO POINT OF RETURN. I BELIEVE THE CURRENT SYSTEM OF FINES AND PENALTIES ASSOCIATED WITH POLLUTING IS JUST THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS. WHAT CONCRETE PLANS DOES EACH LEADER HAVE TO ADDRESS BIG BUSINESS POLLUTING?>>Rosemary: THANK YOU. THE FIRST ANSWER TO YVES-FRANCOIS BLANCHET.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): THAT IS VERY INTERESTING. WHAT IS CLIMATE CHANGE SO FAR, IS THIS AGREEMENT BETWEEN CALIFORNIA AND QUÉBEC. THIS TRADE EXCHANGE SYSTEM THAT FORCES BUSINESSES TO LOWER THEIR EMISSION THROUGH TIME. AND IT WORKS VERY WELL. I WAS — I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF COMPLETING THE NEGOTIATIONS OF SUCH A SYSTEM. AND SIGNING IT. AND IT SHOULD BE USED ELSEWHERE. SIMPLE TAXES THAT RETURN INTO THE POCKETS OF PEOPLE WITHOUT ANY CHANGE. INCENTIVE ARE NOT THE SOLUTION. DOING NOTHING, HOPING THAT SOME SPIRIT WILL COME AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): AS MR. BLANCHET SAID, QUÉBEC AND OTHER PROVINCES B.C. HAVE MOVED FORWARD PUTTING A PRICE ON POLLUTION. WE ENSURED THAT PRICE IS PUT IN ACROSS THE COUNTRY BECAUSE IT IS A MECHANISM THAT WILL BOTH LOWER EMISSIONS AND ENSURE THAT CANADIANS CAN AFFORD THIS TRANSITION. THE CHOICE TONIGHT IS VERY CLEAR BETWEEN TWO PARTIES THAT HAVE VERY DIFFERENT VIEWS ON CLIMATE CHANGE. MR. SCHEER WANTS TO RIP UP THE ONLY SERIOUS PLAN ON CLIMATE CHANGE CANADA HAS EVER HAD. THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO MORE. WE RECOGNIZE, WE NEED TO DO MORE TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE. THAT’S WHY WE’RE SURPASSING OUR TARGETS AND GETTING TO NET ZERO BY 2050.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): WE ARE THE ONLY REAL ENVIRONMENTALIST PARTY. WHY? BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO THINGS THAT ARE POSSIBLE TO PROTECT OUR HEALTH, OUR ENVIRONMENT, OUR WATER. ALL THE OTHER LEADERS CLAIM TO SAVE THE WORLD AND SO SAVE THE — TO SAVE THE CLIMATE. THEY CANNOT. CANADA ONLY REPRESENTS 1.6% OF THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND THEY CLAIM ALSO TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THE PARIS ACCORD TARGET. THEY CANNOT. THEY HAVE TO IMPOSE A CARBON TAX OF $300 A TONNE TO DO THAT. AND THEY WON’T DO IT. THEY DON’T DO IT. THEY’RE HYPOCRITE. WE WON’T HAVE A TAX ON CARBON.>>Rosemary: TIME IS UP.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, BRIT, FOR THE QUESTION. WE’RE FACED WITH A CLIMATE CRISIS, THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. MASSIVE FOREST FIRES WHICH MAKE IT HARD TO BREATHE IN PARTS OF CANADA. IN THE WEST. WE’VE GOT MASSIVE FLOODING, MEANING PEOPLE ARE LOSING HOMES IN THE EAST. THIS IS A SERIOUS CRISIS. WHILE MR. TRUDEAU HAS SAID A LOT OF NICE THINGS, LOOK AT WHAT HE’S DONE. HE SAID HE’S FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT HE CONTINUES TO EXEMPT THE BIGGEST POLLUTERS FROM PRICE ON POLLUTION. HE WANTS TO FIGHTS THE CLIMATE CRISIS? HE SUBSIDIZES OIL AND GAS AND MASSIVELY. HE BUYS A PIPELINE. THERE IS A BIG GAP BETWEEN WHAT MR. TRUDEAU SAYS AND WHAT HE DOES.>>Rosemary: AND MR. SCHEER.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): I FIND MYSELF AGREEING WITH YOU AGAIN, MR. SINGH, ON THE ENVIRONMENT LIKE SO MANY ISSUES, JUSTIN TRUDEAU SAYS ONE THING AND THEN DOES SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. HE’S TALKING ABOUT HITTING 2050 TARGETS. HE CAN’T EVEN MEET 2030 TARGETS. HE TALKS ABOUT RIPPING UP A REAL PLAN. HIS PLAN HAS BEEN PROVEN TO FAIL. HE HAS GIVEN A MASSIVE EXEMPTION TO THE COUNTRY’S LARGEST POLLUTERS. THEY WERE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE THEMSELVES UP TO A 90% EXEMPTION FROM HIS CARBON TAX. MEANWHILE, HARD-WORKING, COMMUTERS, MOMS AND DADS TAKING THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL OR DRIVING WORK, THEY HAVE TO PAY THE FULL BRUNT OF THAT. OUR PLAN IS A REAL PLAN THAT TAKES THE CLIMATE CHANGE FIGHT GLOBAL. RECOGNIZING THAT WE COULD SHUT — >>Rosemary: THAT’S IT, DROPPING THE HAMMER.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): BRIT, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. YOU, UNLIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THE STAGE, CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WE’RE UP AGAINST A REAL CLIMATE EMERGENCY. THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE HAS GIVEN US HARD TIME LINES, CHALLENGING TARGETS. IF WE’RE GOING TO DO WHAT IS REQUIRED, IT ISN’T EASY. WE DON’T GRADE ON A CURVE AND SAY BECAUSE A PLAN IS LESS AM BISHOPS, IT’S — AMBITIOUS, IT’S MORE DOABLE. IF IT FAILS TO MEET THE GOAL OF HOLDING THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE TO 1.5°, WE FAIL TO GIVE OUR KIDS A LIVABLE WORLD. GRETA THUNBERG IS RIGHT. THE HOUSE IS ON FIRE. KIDS GET TO SAFETY. WE’VE GOT THIS.>>Rosemary: MY TURN FOR A QUESTION. THIS ONE TO MR. TRUDEAU. LAST FALL THE UNITED NATIONS INTERNATIONAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE STRESSED THE NEED TO ACT QUICKLY TO LIMIT FURTHER GLOBAL WARMING. A REPORT FROM ENVIRONMENT CANADA SAYS THIS COUNTRY IS WARMING TWICE AS FAST AS THE GLOBAL AVERAGE. YOU SAY YOU ARE COMMITTED TO COMBATING CLIMATE CHANGE. BUT YOUR GOVERNMENT STILL PROCEEDED WITH THE PURCHASE AND APPROVAL OF A NEW PIPELINE TO THE WEST COAST. GIVEN THE TIME LINE, AND GIVEN WHAT IS AT STAKE, SHOULD CANADA NOT BE MOVING MORE QUICKLY AWAY FROM FURTHER DEVELOPMENTS OF THE OIL AND GAS SECTOR AND TO THAT END, SHOULD THE TRANS MOUNTAIN EXPANSION BE CANADA’S LAST PIPELINE?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO MOVE FAST AND DO MORE. THAT’S WHY WE PURPORT AN AMBITIOUS PLAN TO CONTINUE THAT IS REASONABLE, THAT IS DOABLE AND IS GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET TO NOT JUST SURPASS OUR 2030 TARGETS, BUT GO BEYOND IT. WE’RE BANNING SINGLE-USE PLASTICS. PUT A PRICE ON CARBON. WE RECOGNIZE THAT TRANSITION TO CLEAN ENERGY WILL NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. WHILE WE DO, WE SHOULD HAVE LESS OIL BY RAIL AND WE NEED TO GET TO NEW MARKETS SO WE CAN INVEST ALL THE RESOURCES, ALL THE MONEY COMING IN FROM THIS PIPELINE. INTO THAT GREEN ENERGY TRANSITION, INTO FIGHTING CLIMATE CHANGE. I KNOW THAT’S A BIG PIECE OF THE WAY WE MOVE FORWARD. HOW WE INVEST IN THE NEW ECONOMY, IN THAT TRANSITION. THAT’S WHAT WE’VE DONE. THE CHOICE TONIGHT IS DO WE PICK A GOVERNMENT THAT DOESN’T BELIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE? OR IN FIGHTING IT? OR DO WE CONTINUE ON THE TRACK WE ARE?>>Rosemary: GOT TO END THERE. YOU DIDN’T ANSWER THE LAST PART OF THE QUESTION, WHETHER WE’RE ON THE LAST PIPELINE.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): WE AGREE WE DON’T AGREE ON CLIMATE CHANGE, MR. TRUDEAU. I BELIEVE THERE IS NO CLIMATE EMERGENCY. YOU BELIEVE THE OPPOSITE. BUT YOU WON’T BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THE PARIS ACCORD TARGET. I’M NOT SAYING THAT. THAT IS THE U.N. THAT SAID THAT. YOU NEED TO IMPOSE CARBON TAX OF $300 A TONNE.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): IN FOUR YEARS, WE GOT — >>Rosemary: MR. TRUDEAU, LET MR. BERNIER.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): YOU’RE RIGHT, SHE HAS A RADICAL PLAN TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE, IT WILL DESTROY THE ECONOMY, BUT WHAT ABOUT YOU?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY TO REACHING THE 2030 TARGETS, BY PLANTING 2 BILLION TREES, WE’RE GOING TO GET THERE. WHAT YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND, WHAT MR. SCHEER DOESN’T UNDERSTAND, YOU CANNOT BUILD A PLAN FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR ECONOMY IN YOU ARE NOT BUILDING A PLAN THAT PROTECTS THE ENVIRONMENT AND FIGHTS CLIMATE CHANGE. THAT’S WHERE BOTH OF YOU ARE COMPLETELY LONG.>>Rosemary: MR. SCHEER, NOT YOUR TURN.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): I KNOW YOU SAY A LOT OF NICE THINGS, A LOT OF GREAT THINGS ON THE STAGE. BUT YOU SAID A LOT OF THESE THINGS IN 2015. YOU MADE IT SOUND LIKE YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE CLIMATE A BIG PRIORITY. BUT YOU DID ALL THESE THINGS. YOU BOUGHT A PIPELINE. YOU CONTINUE TO SUBSIDIZE OIL AND GAS. WHAT IS GOING TO TAKE NOW SO THAT CANADIANS CAN BELIEVE IN YOUR PROMISES? YOUR WORDS ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE HAVE REACHED THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY OF ACHIEVING OUR 2030 TARGETS. CANADIANS MIGHT BE SURPRISED TO DISCOVER THAT YOUR PLAN IS TO BUILD A MASSIVE REFINERY IN ALBERTA. AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS WITH FEDERAL SUBSIDIES BECAUSE THERE IS NO PRIVATE BUSINESS CASE FOR IT. YOUR PLAN TO BUILD A REFINERY IN ALBERTA IS WORSE — >>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): THAT IS NOT OUR PLAN. THAT IS NOWHERE IN OUR COMMITMENT. I DON’T KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THAT FROM. WE WOULD END FOSSIL FUEL SUBSIDIES.>>Rosemary: THAT’S TIME. MR. SCHEER.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): WHEN JUSTIN TRUDEAU TOOK OFFICE, THERE WERE THREE MAJOR PIPELINE PROJECTS READY TO GO. UNDER HIS WATCH, ALL OF THEM HAVE FAILED. HE HAD TO TAKE $4.5 BILLION OF CANADIAN TAX MONEY TO PUT THE TRANS MOUNTAIN PIPELINE ON LIFE SUPPORT. AND HE DID THAT BY SENDING $4.5 BILLION OF TAXPAYER MONEY TO ANOTHER COUNTRY, TO THE UNITED STATES, TO BE INVESTED IN THE OIL AND GAS SECTOR THERE INSTEAD OF HERE IN CANADA. HIS ANSWER, OR HIS RATIONALE FOR HAVING TWO CAMPAIGN PLANES, HE BOUGHT CARBON OFFSETS. WHICH IS JUST A THING THAT PRIVILEGED PEOPLE CAN DO.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): NO.>>Rosemary: MR. SCHEER, IT IS MR. TRUDEAU’S CHANCE TO RESPOND.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): YOU DID NOT BUY CARBON OFFSETS, BECAUSE YOU DON’T BELIEVE CLIMATE CHANGE — AND YOUR PLAN IS TO RIP UP THE ONLY SERIOUS PLAN TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE THAT CANADA HAS EVER HAD.>>Rosemary: MS. MAY.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): TO AVOID CATASTROPHIC LEVELS OF GLOBAL WARMING, WE MUST DOUBLE OUR CURRENT TARGET. WE MUST LISTEN TO SCIENCE. WE MUST NOT BUILD THE TRANS MOUNTAIN PIPELINE. IT’S NOT THE LAST BECAUSE IT GETS CANCELLED. YOU CAN’T NEGOTIATE WITH PHYSICS. AS PRIME MINISTER, YOU CAN’T AS LIBERAL LEADER OF THE PARTY. THERE IS A CARBON BUDGET. IT DOESN’T BUDGE. THAT’S WHY IT’S SO HEARTBREAKING TO LOOK AT YOU TODAY AND KNOW YOU COULD HAVE DONE SO MUCH MORE. PLEASE, GOD, YOU DON’T GET A MAJORITY, BECAUSE YOU WON’T KEEP YOUR PROMISE.>>FROM THE ROCKIES TO THE BAY OF FUNDY, THEY’VE GOTTEN ELECTED ON DOING NOTHING ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE AND WE NEED TO FIGHT THEM ON MOVING FORWARD PROTECTING THE FUTURE GENERATIONS FROM THE CLIMATE CHANGE.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): YOU’RE A TARGET FOR FAILURE. WHEN YOU HANG ON THE HARPER TARGET — YOU NEVER GET TO CARBON NEUTRALITY.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): YOU CLAIM TO HAVE DONE A LOT, BUT CANADA IS THE WORST EMITTER OF GHG IN THE G20 PER CAPITA. SO THAT’S NOT MUCH OF SUCCESS. BUT I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FROM QUÉBEC. FIRST, WE AGREE WITH THE DEMAND OF THE PRIME MINISTER OF QUÉBEC, LEGAULT, QUÉBEC REVIEW OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES WILL HAVE CANADA REVIEW. SECOND QUESTION, DO YOU PROMISE AFTER THIS JUDGMENT IN BRITISH COLUMBIA, TO NOT EVER TRY TO HAVE A PIPELINE TRUST QUÉBEC, EVER?>>AFTER 10 YEARS OF MR. HARP’S FAILURE TO GET THINGS BUILT, BECAUSE HE DID NOT UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH LOCAL COMMUNITIES, INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES, WE WORK WITH THE PROVINCES ON ENSURING THERE IS NOT DUPLICATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL OVERSIGHT. WE KNOW THAT THE WAY WE MOVE FORWARD IS RESPONSIBLE AND WILL BE DONE.>>Rosemary: THAT’S TIME. MR. TRUDEAU, YOUR CHANCE TO ASK A QUESTION OF ANY OTHER LEADER.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE CUT TAXES FOR SMALL BUSINESSES TO 9%. WE CUT TAXES FOR CANADIANS. WE KNOW THAT TAX BREAKS FOR WEALTHY DO NOT WORK TO GROW THE ECONOMY. TEN YEARS OF MR. HARPER’S FAILURE HAS DONE THAT. YET, MR. SCHEER’S PLATFORM, WHAT WE’VE SEEN OF IT, BECAUSE MOST OF IT IS STILL SECRET AND WILL REMAIN SECRET, LIKE DOUG FORD, THAT DIDN’T WORK OUT WELL FOR ONTARIANS, IS TO REDUCE TAXES FOR THE WEALTHIEST CANADIANS BY $50,000, WHICH IS MORE MONEY — >>Rosemary: WRAP IT UP. MR. SCHEER, ONE MINUTE TO RESPOND.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): FIRST OF ALL, YOU’RE ODDLY OBSESSED WITH PROVINCIAL POLITICS. THERE IS A VACANCY FOR THE ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADERSHIP. IF YOU’RE SO FOCUSED ON PROVINCIAL POLITICS, GO AND RUN FOR THE LEADERSHIP OF THAT PARTY, MR. TRUDEAU. SECONDLY, YOUR TAX POLICY HAS MEANT THAT 80% OF CANADIAN FAMILIES PAY HIGHER TAXES TODAY THAN WHEN YOU FIRST TOOK OFFICE.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): THAT IS NOT TRUE.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THAT WAS A CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLE THAT LIBERALS FOUGHT AGAINST, THAT YOU FOUGHT AGAIN. YOUR SIGNATURE ACHIEVEMENT WAS TAKING A CONSERVATIVE IDEA. I VOTED AGAINST YOUR TAX HIKES ON CANADIANS.>>YOU VOTED AGAINST THE CHILD BENEFIT.>>Rosemary: ONE AT A TIME.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): WE ARE COMMITTED TO PROTECTING THAT BENEFIT BECAUSE IT’S BASED ON A CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLE.>>Rosemary: WE’RE GOING TO MOVE INTO OPEN DEBATE.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): WE’RE GOING TO BRING BACK THE FITNESS TAX.>>Rosemary: THAT’S IT. OPEN DEBATE.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): MR. SCHEER, YOU DID PLOT ANSWER THE QUESTION — NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION WHY YOU’RE LOWERING TAXES $50,000 FOR MULTIMILLIONAIRES. MAYBE YOU’LL ANSWER TOMORROW IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE, BUT YOU HAVEN’T ANSWERED TONIGHT.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THAT’S NOT TRUE. YOU HAVEN’T ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION YOUR ENTIRE TIME AS PRIME MINISTER. I SAT ACROSS FROM YOU.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): THE HOUSE OF COMMONS — >>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): I AM ROLLING BACK YOUR TAX HIKES ON ENTREPRENEURS, ON SMALL BUSINESSES.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): YOU CALLED THEM TAX CHEATS. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY’RE SAVING UP MONEY TO OPEN — >>Rosemary: GENTLEMEN, NO ONE CAN UNDERSTAND.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): YOU’RE BOTH EXPERTS, HOWEVER, I HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR YOU. HOW ABOUT THIS IDEA WHICH HAS BEEN ASKED UNANIMOUSLY BY QUÉBEC, A SINGLE TAX REFUND. THAT WOULD SAVE ABOUT $400 MILLION TO OUR COMBINED, IS THAT NOT A GREAT WAY TO SAVE MONEY, MAKE THINGS SIMPLER FOR PEOPLE, COMPANIES, BUSINESSES? AND EVEN GOVERNMENT?>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THE SINGLE INCOME TAX RETURN FOR QUÉBECERS?>>YES.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): I AM THE ONLY FEDERAL PARTY LEADER THAT CAN DELIVER ON THAT.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): YOU MIGHT NEED ME TO DO THAT.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): I SIMPLIFY THE LIVES OF QUÉBECER BY FILLING OUT ONE — >>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): YOU TALK ABOUT TAX CUTS, MR. SCHEER, BUT THIS IS THE REALITY. CANADIANS CAN LOOK ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND SEE THE IMPACTS OF A CONSERVATIVE TAX CUT MEANS. TRANSLATION. CUTS TO EDUCATION, CUTS TO HEALTH CARE, VICIOUS CUTS TO THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN SOCIETY. THAT’S WHAT YOU DO. THE THING IS, MR. TRUDEAU, YOU SOUND A LOT BETTER, YOU’VE DONE MUCH OF THE SAME. YOU’VE GIVEN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): 300,000 IS NOT NOTHING — >>Rosemary: MR. TRUDEAU.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): CANADIANS ARE WORKING HARDER AND HARDER BUT ARE BARELY GETTING BY. OUR POLICY WILL LEAVE MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS AND WE’LL DO THAT BY PROTECTING HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION. WE’RE GOING TO GET THE MONEY BY CUTTING CORPORATE WELFARE AND FOREIGN AID BY 25%. THAT’S FOR THE TAX CUTS FOR ALL CANADIANS TO LEAVE MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): MR. SCHEER AND MR. TRUDEAU, IT’S ALL THE SAME. IT’S ALL TAX CREDIT. THEY WON’T CUT TAX FOR EVERY CANADIAN. WE HAVE TWO TAX RATES THAT WILL BE FAIR FOR EVERYBODY, SO EVERYBODY WILL SAY THE COST OF OUR TAX REFORM WILL BE $35 BILLION. BUT WE ILL DO THAT ONLY — WE WILL DO THAT AFTER ONLY BALANCING THE BUDGET. IT’S THE ONLY RESPONSIBLE WAY TO GIVE MORE MONEY — >>Rosemary: MS. MAY.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): WITH TWO WEEKS LEFT, MR. SCHEER, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU’RE NOT GOING TO BE PRIME MINISTER.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): I’LL PUT A BET ON THAT.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): VOTING FOR GREEN M.P.s IS YOUR BEST GUARANTEE, CANADA, YOU DON’T GET THE GOVERNMENT — >>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): I’M GOING TO PROVE YOU WRONG.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): I’LL LAY YOU BETS >>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): UNDER JUSTIN TRUDEAU WE WILL SEE ENDLESS DEFICITS, TAX DOLLARS GO TO PAYING THE DEBT.>>Rosemary: TIME IS UP. MAXIME BERNIER’S CHANCE. YOU CAN ASK ANY QUESTION.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): YES. ANDREW, YOU ARE CALLING YOURSELF A CONSERVATIVE, BUT YOU DON’T WANT TO BALANCE THE BUDGET IN TWO YEARS. YOU WILL HAVE $70 BILLION IN OUR DEBT. YOU SUPPORT THE DAIRY AND POULTRY, KNOWING THAT A CANADIAN FAMILY IS PLAYING $400 A YEAR FOR THAT. ARE YOU A REAL CONSERVATIVE? NO, I THINK YOU ARE A LIBERAL. WHY ARE YOU FYOU PRETENDING TO SOMETHING YOU’RE NOT?>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT PRETENDING SOMEONE YOU’RE NOT. I’M NOT SURE WHICH MAXIME BERNIER. MAXIME BERNIER THE SEPARATIST. THE MINISTER RESPONSIBLE FOR HANDING OUT CORPORATE WELFARE. THE MAXIME BERNIER WHO DEFENDED SUPPLY MANAGEMENT WHEN IT SUITED HIM. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS — IT’S MY TIME TO RESPOND TO THE QUESTION, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THERE IS A CLEAR CONTRAST IN THE ELECTION. JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S ENDLESS DEFICITS AND TAX HIKES TO PAY FOR IT OR A CONSERVATIVE PLAN THAT WILL LEAVE MORE MONEY IN YOUR POCKET. WE WILL LOWER TAXES FOR ALL CANADIANS. WE’LL BRING BACK THE KIDS SPORT AND FITNESS CREDIT. WE’LL RAISE THE AGE CREDIT FOR SENIORS AND WE’LL BRING IN A GREEN HOME RENOVATION TAX CREDIT. THAT ALL THE WHILE, CUTTING CORPORATE WELFARE TO BRING THAT MONEY BACK HOME SO CANADIANS CAN GET AHEAD.>>Rosemary: OPEN DEBATE. OFF YOU GO.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): I AM THE MAXIME BERNIER WHO IS THERE FOR CANADIANS. I’M THE MAXIME BERNIER WHO DOES NOT CARE ABOUT HAVING REAL DEBATE ON REAL ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT –>>YOU DON’T WANT TO HAVE IN ABOLISHING THE CARTEL IN AN SUPPLY MANAGEMENT. YOU DON’T WANT TO CUT FOREIGN AID.>>Rosemary: MR. SCHEER.>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): THAT’S NOT THE CASE. I’VE SAID THAT WE WILL CUT CANADA’S FOREIGN AID BUDGET TO PAY FOR THE TAX CUTS.>>Maxime Bernier (P.P.C.): YOU CAN SAVE $5 BILLION THERE BALANCING THE BUDGET.>>Jagmeet Singh (N.D.P.): THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT WHO IS GOING TO FIGHT FOR YOU AND STAND UP FOR YOU. WE’VE SEEN WITH MR. TRUDEAU, HE SAYS NICE WORDS, BUT GAVE $6 BILLION IN CORPORATE LOAN WRITE-OFFS LAST YEAR, $14 BILLION TO THE RICHEST CORPORATIONS. HE TEACHES LOOPHOLE — KEEPS LOOPHOLES OPEN. WE’RE IN IT FOR PEOPLE. WE’RE NOT IN THE RICH. WE’RE GOING TO DELIVER PHARMACARE, DENTACARE PROGRAMME, INVEST IN HOUSING. THAT’S WHAT YOU GET WITH NEW DEMOCRATS. I ASK PEOPLE TO — >>Rosemary: MR. TRUDEAU CAN RESPOND.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): WE HAVE INVESTED IN CANADIANS. WE MADE A DIFFERENT CHOICE THAN STEPHEN HARPER DID. VERY DIFFERENT CHOICE THAN ANDREW SCHEER IS PROPOSING. WE’VE LIFTED 900,000 PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY. WE’RE PUTTING MORE MONEY IN INTO THE POCKETS OF STUDENTS. THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO DO. AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO STAY FOCUSED ON, BECAUSE THE FIGHT AGAINST CLIMATE CHANGE MATTERS AND THAT’S — >>Elizabeth May (Green Party): WE HAVE MISCHARACTERIZED OUR PONCE RESPONSE TO THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY AS SOMETHING THAT DOESN’T HELP THE ECONOMY. WE HAVE THE BIGGEST GLOBAL ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. AND MOVING OFF FOSSIL FUELS.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): I AGREE.>>Elizabeth May (Green Party): BUT YOU’RE KEEPING FOSSIL FUELS GOING BECAUSE IT’S HALF OF WHAT IS REQUIRED. IF THE ELECTION IS ANYTHING, IT’S ABOUT TRUST AND ETHICS AND WE’RE IN A CLIMATE EMERGENCY. WE NEED GROWNUPS IN THE ROOM TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.>>Yves-Francois Blanchet (Bloc Quebecois): MR. SINGH SAID HE WANTS TO FIGHT FOR CANADIANS. THAT’S A GOOD POINT. WHO DO WE WANT TO FIGHT FOR? I WANT TO FIGHT FOR QUÉBECERS AND WITH QUÉBECERS ONLY. IF WE AGREE WITH THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT, THEN LET IT BE. IF WE DON’T AGREE, WE’RE GOING TO FIGHT. THIS IS WHAT BLOC QUEBECOIS HAS ALWAYS DONE. [Speaking French]>>Andrew Scheer (Conservative): FACT OF THE MATTER, UNDER JUSTIN TRUDEAU LIFE WILL CONTINUE TO GET MORE EXPENSIVE. HE’LL CONTINUE TO RAISE TAXES. HIS CARBON TAX WILL GO UP. HE’S AFRAID TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH IT WILL GO UP BY. UNDER THE CONSERVATIVE PLAN, WE’LL BALANCE THE BUDGET.>>Rosemary: MR. TRUDEAU.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau (Liberal): OUR PRICE ON POLLUTION HELPS CANADIANS MORE THAN REMOVING IT DOES.>>Rosemary: OKAY, THAT’S IT. THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF THE SEGMENT AND THE END OF THE DEBATE. WE WANT TO THANK YOU OF COURSE FOR TAKING THE TIME, THE QUESTIONERS TONIGHT AND ALL OF YOU WATCHING LIVE IN PERSON AND ON THE VARIOUS SCREENS. AS A REMINDER, THAT FRENCH LANGUAGE DEBATE IS LATER ON THIS THURSDAY, 8:00 P.M. EASTERN. ON BEHALF OF THE MODERATORS AND EVERYONE HERE, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. [APPLAUSE] (♪♪♪) (♪♪♪) (♪♪♪) (♪♪♪) (♪♪♪)>>Andrew: THIS IS A SPECIAL EDITION OF “THE NATIONAL” AND YOU’RE LOOKING AT THE CANADIAN MUSEUM OF HISTORY IN GATINEAU, QUÉBEC. THAT’S WHERE JUST MOMENTS AGO FIREWORKS, ALL SIX MAIN CANDIDATES VYING TO BE PRIME MINISTER FACING EACH OTHER IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE DEBATE. A KEY MOMENT TO REACH MILLIONS OF CANADIANS IN ONE TELEVISED CLASH OF IDEAS, POLICIES AND PERSONALITIES. NOW IF ANY VOTERS WERE WAITING TO TUNE INTO THE CAMPAIGN, THIS WAS A CRITICAL MOMENT.>>Adrienne: AND TONIGHT “THE NATIONAL” HAS EXTENSIVE COVERAGE. ROSIE WAS ONE OF THE MODERATORS AND BACK FROM THE DEBATE STAGE TO JOIN US. AND STANDING BY VASSY KAPELOS IS READY WITH ANALYSIS AND SALIMAH SHIVJI FACT CHECKS THE LEADERS. AND DAVID COCHRANE WITH THE SPIN FROM THE PARTY WAR ROOMS AND FOR THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE DEBATE ITSELF WE HAVE KATIE SIMPSON.>>Andrew: SO, YEAH, THAT’S WHERE WE BEGIN. KATIE IS IN OUR PARLIAMENTARY BUREAU AGAIN. IT DIDN’T TAKE LONG BEFORE THE CANDIDATES WENT ON THE ATTACK. WHAT DID CANADIANS SEE TONIGHT?>>Reporter: CONSERVATIVE LEADER ANDREW SCHEER LANDED THE FIRST BLOW, AGGRESSIVELY ATTACKING LIBERAL LEADER JUSTIN TRUDEAU WHICH LED TO A SERIES OF TESTY EXCHANGES BETWEEN THE FRONT-RUNNERS. IT’S BEEN THE THEME OF THIS CAMPAIGN SO FAR AND IT DOMINATED THE DEBATE STAGE.>>Andrew Scheer: HE CAN’T EVEN REMEMBER HOW MANY TIMES HE PUT BLACKFACE ON, BECAUSE, MR. TRUDEAU, YOU’RE A PHONY AND YOU’RE A FRAUD AND YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO GOVERN THIS COUNTRY.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: YOU HAVEN’T RELEASED YOUR COSTED PLATFORM YET WHICH I THINK IS A DISRESPECT TO EVERY CANADIAN.>>Andrew Scheer: WHAT

2002 Republican Party Delegate Roger Cook Discusses Opposition to ‘RINOs’


[ Silence ]>>RINO stands for
Republican In Name Only. The idea is if you’re going to be calling yourself
a Republican, the party positions are,
are listed in the platform and if you’re going to be
calling yourself a Republican, you should at least
be familiar with them and it’s even better
if you support them.>>So, tell us about
how that’s gone, with the anti-RINO
platform movement has gone, at the convention?>>Well, the, the way it
was being conducted was through party rules. The, the rules before
this convention were that each candidate would
be provided with a copy of the platform which they
may or may not return. They may, they may or may not
agree with various planks. Rule 43 was a push
to try to get elig, an eligibility requirement
added to the process of becoming a Republican
candidate where you would have to agree to certain core
principles in the platform. And if you did not, then
you would not be eligible, eligible to run as a Republican.

Why political parties run attack ads even if you don’t like them


Announcer: Vassy:You’re pretty much
guaranteed to see negative ads
during a Canadian election.Announcer:
He’s not as advertised. Vassy:They’re usually put
out by political parties
but third parties run them too.That’s basically any person or
organization that spends
a minimum of five hundred
dollars on election activities
and they have to be registeredwith Elections Canada.No matter who’s
running the negative ad, whether it be third party
or a party, research shows that if you’re like most people
you’re probably not a fan. We’re going to be
testing advertising.The first thing
they’ll say to you is,
“I hate negative advertising.”Vassy:In fact this
study published
in The Journal of Politicssuggests that negative
campaigning has the potential
to do damage because it tends
to reduce feelings
of political efficacy
and trust in government.
So if parties are
trying to win over voters, why do they keep running ads
that people don’t like? ♪ ♪ First, let’s point out how big
of a deal advertising is to a campaign. Strategists say it accounts for
50 per cent of the budget.According to Elections Canada,in 2015 theLiberals
spent about
28-million dollars on ads,theConservatives
spent 19-million
and the NDP spent
12 and a half million.
That money can go toward
different types of ads
like positive ones
that outline your plan.
That’s why I will
cancel the carbon tax.Announcer:And Elizabeth May
has the strength of character to deliver. Singh:People tell meI’m different from
the other leaders.
Vassy:You can run contrast ads
that compare your plan with your opponent’s plan or you can criticize
your opponent – strategists call
that going negative. You know that
Buckley’s slogan…Announcer:It tastes
awful and it works. People tell you
they don’t like them and that they don’t work by campaign after
a campaign uses them. Vassy:This is
Dennis Matthews,
he’s a longtime
advertising consultant
who’s worked on multiple
Conservativecampaignsand this is David Herle.He chaired severalLiberal
campaigns in the early 2000s.
If you’re a researcher and you
look beyond that initial socially correct response you’ll
find that a good negative ad
will have changed their
perceptions and their opinion
of something important in a way
that got past their guard
against negative advertising.Vassy:So, what makes a negative ad good
enough to change perceptions?Most strategists have their
own list of guidelines;
like spark
and emotional response,
introduce new information,creativity.One they all agree on:all negative ads should
follow this golden rule.
David:It needs to be
rooted in truth. for it to be effective. If it’s wholly
made up, if it doesn’t ring true to people at all, then it’s not
going to be effective. You have to be hitting at
things that voters already sort of believe or have a worry
about about a candidateand tapping into that makes
them most effective.
Announcer:Justin Trudeau.
He’s just not ready.
Vassy:Herle argues it’s why
this 2015 ad
on Justin Trudeau didn’t work.David:It wasn’t
rooted in truth.
And it was
a disprovable proposition. Vassy:You might remember
the
Liberalsran a response ad.This was unusual becausemost parties don’t want to draw
attention to criticism.
I’m ready to bring
real change to Ottawa. Vassy:But a third party group
has actually already recycled
the idea for the 2019 election.Announcer: Justin Trudeau,
he was never ready.
♪ ♪ Vassy:In fact don’t be
surprised if you see more ads
from third parties
during this election.
Announcer:His weakness
will cost you.
Alex:It’s much better
if you can find
somebody else to convey
the negative messages than you,
because otherwise what you’re
doing is you’re risking all sorts of
potential backlash. Vassy:This is Alex Marland.He studies political messagingat Memorial University
in Newfoundland.
More from him in a minute.His party was caught
breaking the rules.
Vassy:Let’s go back to 2015
though, the
Conservativeswere trying a tactic on Trudeauthat they also
tried on Tom Mulcair.
Announcer:Another career
politician we can’t afford.
The idea is to “debrand”
your opponent before they can brand themselves
and you’ll most likely see it done to challengers. Vassy:Dennis Matthews worked
on both of these campaign ads.
Dennis:This is something where
an
advertising campaign ran against you before
you’ve had a chance to run your own about yourself, it’s kind of
worst case scenario. Not all negative
ads hit the mark. In fact they
really risk backfiring. Take for example thisLiberal
ad from the 2006 campaign. Announcer: Vassy:That ad never made
it to air
and theLiberals
pulled it from
their website over concerns it
could be misconstrued.
I should clarify there’s
actually another type ad: the attack ad. I’m going to let
Alex Marland explain that one. An attack ad
is one that is focusing on personal traits,
how somebody looks. It really doesn’t have anything
to do with public policy. Most strategists
will tell youthat personal attacks
are a “no-go zone”.
Woman’s voice: I personally
would be very
embarrassed if he wereto become the Prime
Minister of Canada.
♪ [ dramatic ] Announcer:Think twice.Vassy:ThisProgressive
Conservativead from1993 is maybe
the best known example
of an attack ad
in Canadian politics.
It was widely seen as trying
to use Jean Chrétien’s
partial facial paralysis
to spark some doubt about his
leadership abilities. They tried to make
fun of the way I look. Dennis:There’s many
reasons to vote for somebody
or not to vote for somebody. But, you know,
appearance isn’t really one of
those ones that I think, you know,
passes the test of is this an okay
thing to be going after? That ad came to be seen as not a fair
comment but an unfair cheapthing to do to
Mr Chretien.
Vassy:Kim Campbell scrapped
the ad within 24 hours.
[cheering and chanting]Chretien’sLiberalswent
on to beat the
PCs,winning a majority government.Just how effective negative ads
really are though is still the subject of debate in
academic circles. Alex:There’s a lot of
disagreement about how
effective negative
advertising is.
Vassy:Back to that study from
2007 I mentioned earlier,
researchers concluded
that the evidence
they looked at didn’t provethe idea that
negative campaigning
is an effective means of
winning votes.
On the other hand researchers
have also tested how people physically react
to political ads.This study publishedin TheJournal of
Advertisingin 2007,found that people
who watch negative ads
had physiological responses
that indicated their body was
preparing to move away.A study published
four years later in
theCanadian Journal of
Communicationconcludedthat negative ads generated
heightened attention levels
compared to positive
or mixed messages.
That said, participants
expressed more resistance
to being persuaded by
the negative ad campaigns.
In the end Marland
argues that negative ads do something that
positive ads alone can’t. It provides information to
voters that they perhaps would not have heard otherwise
and they have not considered. Isn’t it better to have voters
who are able to consider both positive
and negative information than just only
positive information. ♪ ♪

How politicians avoid a photo-op fail: Unpacking the staged campaign event


Vassy Kapelos:Here’s a visual
you’re probably used to seeing
during an election:the daily campaign event.One veteran campaign
organizer for the Liberals summed it up like this: “Campaign events are the
lifeblood of an election.”Whether it’s a speech,a rally, a photo op,
or a barbecue,
parties are trying to create
a visual message that media
will pick up on
and that voters will remember.
So the first thing –
the thing above all else – what is the image? What is the headline? So if parties want
their message to stand out, why do we keep seeing versions
of the same thing over and over? ♪ [theme] Jason:Tour is hard.It’s hard to organize.It’s hard to —it’s hard to get everything in
place sometimes.
All the things that we see
it’s because they’re easy.
You have the control over every
factor that you need to control. Vassy:This is Jason Lietaer.He managed the war room
for the Conservative Party
during the 2011 campaign.He and other strategists will
tell you that one single moment can throw off an entire day’s
message, or worse.Remember this?Stockwell Day’s arrival at a
Canadian Alliance event
on a jet ski?Here’s a refresher.It was 2000, and the party was
trying to send a message
that the holiday was over for
Jean Chretien’s liberals.
But the story quickly became
about that jet ski instead,
and they lost control
of their message.
[engine rumbling]Today’s strategists
need to put a lot of thought
into the message,
visuals in particular.They think of it like theatre .They’re setting a scene.Some literally call
it political stagecraft.
Advanced personnel will scout
the location days in advance.
They’re figuring out things
like where to place the media
to get the best camera angles
for the leader.
They’re looking to essentially
choose pictures deliberately
that will convey
their message in an instant, and often convey their message
even when the sound is off. Vassy:Kathleen Monk
is a strategist who’s worked
on federal election
campaigns for the NDP.
Strategists are always looking
to own the photo op. They’re looking to own the
optics of the day, and they do that
in a number of ways.That means everything you see
is there to serve the message,
from the location
to the podium,
to props, and the backdrop.Do you see a kind of formula?Definitely a really significant
risk of just following the same formula all the time is that
every politician is doing the same thing, every leader
is doing the same thing. Vassy:This is Alex Marland.He’s a political scientist
who’s written and edited
a stack of books
on messaging.
Quite frankly,
it’s not really newsworthy. It’s not interesting,
it’s boring. Marlin says you should pay
attention to the backdrop. Take flags for example, they’ve
been a go to for a long time. Alex:A good way
to look prime ministerial
is to have a very large
Canadian flag
draped behind the leader.Believe it or not, they even
have wire hidden within
the flag to make
it stand out straight so that it’s
not, kind of, wilted. Vassy:And the human backdrop,
well, that’s a recent trend.
The theory there is that
showing a leader with people
creates the impression that
they’ve got supporters.
But I have to say in 2015,
I got really tired of that look.It fails to differentiate
between each party,
and every party is standing in
front of a wall of humans.
What’s different between
each of those parties?
Vassy:It can
be risky too, though,
because organizers don’t wantto put someone in the
background
who could derail the message.So that’s a
really big problem for you.
So that’s why people are so
risk averse during a campaign.
The stakes are so high. You can’t recover
from some mistakes. Radio Announcer:
All three parties…
Vassy:In addition to
the campaign announcement,
or the speech,there’s usually a planned eventotherwise known
as the photo op.
The goal is to have
the leader doing something that really reinforces the
policy drop, or a key message, and then on top of it, seem relatable doing it.Richard Nixon’s administration
was reportedly the first
to coin the term “photo op”.So photo ops are,
often in academia,
they’re known as pseudo events,
they’re essentially fake events.The only reason
they’re created
is to try to get media
attention, for example.
Vassy:Like other events,
they’re highly staged too.
And this is maybe
Canada’s best known example of what happens
when they’re not.Robert Stanfield’s
infamous fumble
during the 1974 election.It was an unplanned photo op.The Progressive
Conservative leader
was tossing around a footballwhile his plane
stopped to refuel.
People don’t remember he caught
the first few passes
because this is the image that
made the cover
ofThe Globe and Mail. Because his campaign was
faltering, the one where he dropped and he
just looked so weak when he dropped that football, said everything you needed to
know about that campaign. So what are the rules? There’s definitely
no photo op handbook, but strategists do have, kind
of, a set of dos and don’ts.For some, playing a sport
is off the table.
Others, they don’t wear hats,or don’t go to a place where
you might have to put one on.Some point to this
photo of Gilles Duceppe
wearing a hairnet while
touring a cheese factory.
Sometimes though,
like when it comes to safety,
it’s kind of unavoidable.As for food…You’ll very rarely see a
politician eating. Vassy:And props can seem like a
good idea until they’re not.
There are times
when they can work,
like in the case of Jack
Layton’s cane
except, of course,
that was unplanned.
Kathleen:As he started
to kind of raise the cane
and show that
he was a real fighter, that he had beaten back cancer,and that he was
running the campaign,
that cane almost
became a symbol.
Vassy:That said, strategists
say thinking critically
about a leader’s
wardrobe is also key.
How much risk parties
take is often guided
by the type of campaign
they’re trying to run. If you’re leading, and it looks
like you’re going to win, you take a lot fewer risks
than if you’re, you know, sort of swinging
from the fences. Strategists say this is why
incumbents often have really tightly
controlled leader events. What they’re trying to do is avoid opportunities
for missteps.Former Prime Minister Pierre
Trudeau did it in 1980,
same with Stephen Harper
in 2011, and it paid off.
The Conservatives
won a majority.
But it doesn’t always work.But what it does is it really
creates an opening for populists because populists,
forget all those norms, you know, a populist
will walk through a crowd and just have conversations
that are unscripted.Think challengers like
Justin Trudeau in 2015,
and Jack Layton in 2011.They had less to lose.Ultimately, strategists will
tell you the key is making sure the event represents the
leader’s personality, and that it strikes
the right tone.When it comes to the campaign,try watching
with the volume off.
What images are you seeing?Look for what’s on stage,and who the leaders
are pictured with,
and then ask yourself what
message is getting through?

Politicians do say the same things over and over: You’re not wrong


Vassy Kapelos:Tell me
if this sounds familiar?
The environment
and the economy have to go… [together]
..hand in hand. People are barely getting by, and they’re definitely
not getting ahead. I believe that better
way is possible. Vassy:Those are
called talking points
and as you can see,
a lot of politicians use them.Some are easier to spot than
others, but experts will
tell you that leaning
on them too much
can risk sounding
like a broken record.
As I’ve always
said–said–said. If that’s the case, why do
politicians use them so much? ♪ [theme]A talking point is to try to
keep the politician on message.
It’s to make sure that the
message that was identified as a potential winner for the
party is brought forward bythe candidate,
by the politician,
when he or she
answers a question.
Vassy:This is Karl Belanger.He’s a political strategist and
former national director
of the NDP.When politicians decide to
freelance and say whatever, that’s when you can create
problems for your campaign. That’s why parties
create a message guide. They’ll identify key positions
on any given topic, then they’ll script short
digestible lines- talking points – to reinforce that message. And then politicians
repeat those lines a lot.And keep in mind,
they spend money
on carefully researching
those messages.Think focus groups,
dial groups, online polls.
Political parties want to be
able to control the message. they want to make sure
there’s consistency. They’re concerned
about their brand. Vassy:Alex Marland is a
political scientist.
He’s writing a book
on message discipline.
He says the 24 hour
news cycle has made
talking points essential.There’s no question that
politicians are using talking points
more than they did, but that’s partly because
they’re being required to speak more often
than they did. Vassy:Leaders need
to be able to respond
to a range of questions,and no one wants
to be caught off guard.
For example…We have recently switched to
drinking water bottles out of– water out of– When we have water bottles out
of a plastic– Sorry. Away from plastic, towards
paper, uh, like drink box, water bottles sort of things. Vassy:Trudeau had just
announced a plan to ban
single use plastics
across the country.
He didn’t seem to expect
a question about how
his own family cuts down on
plastic waste.
One of the earliest examples
of message control in Canada is in this article from 1911.It describes something called
the Speaker’s Handbook.
It was basically an
encyclopaedia of party speeches
and answers to questions raised
in Parliament over the years.
During a campaign year,parties would send out their
handbook to candidates
across the country
to use in their own speeches.
Strategists call this imposing
message discipline.
Today it’s maybe even more
important and that Speaker’s Handbook has evolved into daily
emails with talking points on any given issue
during the campaign. Talking points help them
understand fairly quickly what their party’s
position is and allows them
to be consistent with other members
of their party. It’s why you sometimes
see party politicians and cabinet ministers repeating
exactly the same lines as the party’s leader. The clean environment and a
strong economy go hand-in-hand. People are barely getting by,
they’re not getting ahead. And in the case of local
candidates, parties really don’t
want anyone saying something that’s radically different
from the party line. You cause problems, but– and
you might be ostracized within your party–
certainly by the leadership. On the flip side, Marland says
that raises questions though about the health
of our democracy. What we don’t know as citizens
is if a politician is indeed really forcefully advocating for our behalf
on our behalf and constituent interests
behind the scenes. Or if they are just simply being– the expression
is often trained seals. Politicians also deliver lines
because they want the public to actually absorb the message.From the first rule of
political
communication is to repeat
repeat and repeat.
When you start to get
bored with your answer,
that’s when you know
that your messageis finally punching through.No one really agrees
on a magic number. Some say you need to repeat
a line seven times, or twelve, or 20 times. It might be why you remember
this from the 2015 campaign. The only choice to keep us
moving forward is a strong stable national majority
Conservative government. So let’s make sure
on October 19th we get a strong
stable national majority Conservative government. Vassy:And this:This is a tougher economy
than it needs to be for the middle class than the middle class and those
working hard to join it. Strategists argue the problem is
really when politicians stick too closely to the script. You don’t want a politician to
repeat word for word the same line over and over
again because then the risk of running is that
you’re not authentic. Vassy:Sometimes when
politicians stick too closely
to a script it can almost sound
like they’re deflecting. Today on power and politics…Earlier this year I asked
Jagmeet Singh if he supports
the development of
the LNG project in B.C..
Instead he talked
about climate change
in a totally
different pipeline.
British Columbia’s got one of
the most ambitious climate change plans in North America. They’ve got an aggressive plan. My concern is that what we need
to do is– we all know this– future of energy in,
not just Canada, but in the world has to be a
future where we’re not burning, we’re not fracking, and we’re
not using fossil fuels. The energy has to be renewable. That’s the future of Canada. And my focus is on right now
we’ve got a project in front of us at
the federal level which is Trans Mountain pipeline. That project cannot go ahead. Vassy: That’s a great answer
for Trans Mountain, but I asked you
about B.C. and LNG. Do you support the project? B.C.’s got a great plan. Communications trainers
will teach politicians to try and circle back
to their talking points. They call it pivoting. Ideally though, they’ll still
sound unscripted. All election candidates
affiliated with a political party will probably have been
told look we don’t want you being robots. We want you to
put things in your own words. Otherwise if you get detected, this is going to turn
into a story in itself. On the other hand, speaking
spontaneously can also get you into trouble. Freelancing for
a political leader you know, can dog in four years
if it’s an important issue. Vassy:This is Stephen Harper’s
former campaign chairman
Tom Flanagan.It was 2002 and Harper
was the newly elected leader
of the Canadian Alliance Party.He was answering questions
when he went off script
and said this
about Atlantic Canada.
There is dependency in the
region that breeds a culture of defeatism. Vassy:Flanagan says Harper was
trying to say that
liberal policies were holding
Atlantic Canada back
from realizing
its full potential,
but Maritimers saw it as a
slight against them.
Well the consequence was that in
the election of 2004 when this issue was still very
much alive in Atlantic Canada, we did very poorly
in that region. We didn’t win nearly as
many as we hoped to win. Vassy:Ultimately, experts
say most politicians
wouldn’t be able to do their
jobs without talking points.
Because we live in a world where
everyone has a camera, it’s just too risky
to come unprepared. ♪ ♪

Local 24 News Political Analyst & Commentator Otis Sanford On Tom Lee Park Redesign


LOCAL 24 POLITICAL ANALYST OTIS SANFORD SHARES HIS POINT OF VIEW… IN THIS FIGHT FOR COMMON GROUND… OTIS SANFORD/REPORTIN G: AS CIVIC DISPUTES GO, THE ONE INVOLVING A REVAMP OF TOM LEE PARK MAY NOT RANK AS ALL OUT FEUD. BUT THE DIFFERENCES ARE ONGOING. BOTH SIDES SEEM TO BE DIGGING IN. WHICH MEANS A CALMER VOICE IS NEEDED TO MOVE THE NEGOTIATIONS FORWARD. AND THE CITY HAS FOUND THE RIGHT ONE IN RETIRED STATE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE JANICE HOLDER. SHE HAS BEEN TAPPED TO MEDIATE THE DISPUTE OVER REDESIGN OF THE DOWNTOWN PARK. THE MEMPHIS RIVER PARKS PARTNERSHIP, WHICH IS RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAINING THE CITY’S PUBLIC SPACES DOWNTOWN, WANTS TO TRANSFORM TOM LEE PARK INTO A MORE USER FRIENDLY SITE WITH TREES, SLOPING HILLS AND OTHER NICETIES. THE WORK IS SCHEDULED TO BEGIN IN JUNE. BUT COOKING CONTEST. MEMPHIS IN MAY OFFICIALS INSIST ALTERNATE SITES FOR THOSE EVENTS ARE NOT SUITABLE. HENCE THE CURRENT IMPASSE. WITHOUT QUESTION, MEMPHIS IN MAY IS ONE OF THIS CITY’S MOST IMPORTANT EVENTS. – IF NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT. BUT THE RIVER PARKS PARTNERSHIP DESERVES SUPPORT FOR ITS EFFORT TO MAKE TOM LEE PARK ATTRACTIVE YEAR ROUND. I BELIEVE A SOLUTION CAN BE FOUND THAT MAY NOT MAKE EITHER SIDE COMPLETELY HAPPY,

Where do the leadership candidates stand on Brexit?



several Tory MPs are still in the running at having their chance at becoming the next prime minister but whoever wins will have the tough job of delivering our departure from the EU so just where does each candidate actually stand on brexit [Applause] [Applause] brexit brexit brexit it's the only thing our next p.m. will be consumed with leaving on the 31st of October and the top contender to do it is Boris Johnson the former Foreign Secretary vows to take the UK out of the European Union on October 31st by any means possible but leaving without ADEA would be the last resort if we have to go down that route which would be of course a last resort not something that anybody desires as their first option but if we have to go down that route then the best way to avoid it is of course to prepare it prepare for it he's already said he's scrapped the backstop and put pressure on the EU to change it by preparing properly for No Deal he also plans to hold the EU to ransom by refusing to pay the 39 billion pound divorce bill unless the EU agrees to what he believes are more favorable terms boris has also vowed to put Nigel frosh back in his box to keep the conservative parties safe from extinction can we find a leader now who can beat Jeremy Corbyn and deliver a sensible brexit that fights off the threat from the insurgent prexy party and i have to say that that is a the job that I believe I'm best suited to do today the charismatic contender remains a divisive figure among Tory MPs who questioned his previous controversial comments but he insist that he is the right person for the job one of foresters biggest rivals is Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt who wants to avoid crashing out which would be what he calls political suicide and instead strike a deal with Brussels despite the fact the EU have said the one already on the table is not up for renegotiation I think if we go headlong for no deal the most likely outcome will be a general election and that would be political suicide not just for me but for all of us in the Conservative Party the business enthusiastic Ange the withdrawal agreement by setting up a new UK negotiating team made up of all sides of the Conservative Party and the DUP I believe that if we show determination ingenuity and confidence there is a deal to be done another top contender is Environment Secretary Michael Gove and unlike Boris who vows to get the UK out of the EU Deal or No Deal Gove is willing to delay brexit for as long as needed be it days or weeks to avoid britain crashing out I believe that I'm ready to unite the conservative and unionist party ready to deliver brexit and ready to leave this great country however his chances can now be tainted by recent revelations that he took cocaine when he was younger a mistake and it was a mistake that I deeply regretted on the other hand someone who does bear hard brexit credentials and is prepared to accept a no deal is former brexit secretary dominic rub he wants to push what's called the Malthouse compromise which essentially means getting rid of the backstop and replacing it with alternative arrangements as well as exchanging annual financial payments to the EU for a three-year transition period that could allow for enough time to negotiate a free-trade agreement with our whitepaper with the negotiations in Brussels we're striving to get the best deal and I'm confident that with goodwill on the other side with the detail with the ambition we've shown we get that deal done meanwhile Home Secretary Sajid Javid believes his brexit plan is the most credible but has positioned himself as a firm remainer and brexit Javid plans to get a revised deal through brussels and hopes to renegotiate the irish backstop by creating a digitized border on the island this is a system that he insists could be working within just a few years if both sides were willing to work together we to understand that we won't deliver on the referendum result simply by leaving the European Union another vote remainer who has since identified himself as a brexit here is Rory Stewart the newly promoted International Development Secretary declared his bid to stand as p.m. in the hope to avoid crashing out and instead implement his plan to create a citizen's assembly to help Parliament reach a deal with the EU Stuart is focused on reaching a practical deal even if it means locking up MPs over the summer to make sure that it happens my plan is to come back immediately afterwards with a fresh mandate take the politics out of it say the country voted to get brexit done let us get a deals through Parliament in the end that's what it comes down to

Legacies Season 2 May Bring Back 'Some Of The Originals'| #MMA #UFC



here we go the CW's supernatural drama legacies may have only been on the air for one season so far but its core fandom has been around for 10 years or so since the onset of the Vampire Diaries tight grip on viewers minds and hearts that same fanbase spent a lot of time during legacies first season wondering just how directly these new storylines would interconnect with the rest of the franchise and creator Julie Plec is now teasing something or someone familiar possibly coming to season 2 to be sure Julie Plec has been fielding questions about vampire diaries and originals characters returning the television even when those two dramas final seasons we're still airing so this is par for the course however Plex most recent answer about season 2 is more positive than one might have expected in her words the main familiar face that legacies did boast during season one was matt davis a salvatore school headmaster Alaric Salzman father to Lizzy and Josie his situation wasn't too positive at the end of the finale considering he put everyone in the school at risk but it was indeed hopes sacrificial actions to stop malov or that opened up a pathway for the original score' characters to make returns and legacies spoiler warning for anyone who isn't caught up through the finale by taking a dive into that pit book was seemingly successful the eliminating malodors bred for the time being but she also eliminated herself from the memories of everyone she knows it's unclear how long she's going to be trapped in the strange dimension when season two kicks off though we know she'll have some uncomfortable company that she likely wants to rid herself of with the quickness whoever it goes the fact that hope will be absent from people's memories presents some big opportunities for those from her past to return to well it depends on who would return but we know fans would go bonkers for 99% of the possibilities Joseph Morgan's Klaus or Phoebe Tonkin Hayley make appearances to offer up some very specific parental advice for the situation or perhaps a better question would class and Hayley even Remember Who hope is or what their own histories are with each other on the flip side there are lots of originals characters who could show up to save hope from her interdimensional woes before it's too late although the same memory related questions are held for them perhaps everyone she knew before now remembers her even more thus guiding them back to her meaning legacies will feature every applicable originals and Vampire Diaries character that's still living okay so that's far more optimistic and realistic but still Julie Plec sports the TV Guide are that exciting speaking of the topic of Caroline Forbes as Candice came up since she's arguably the character that fans have clamored for the hardest when it comes to Josie and Lizzie's mom here's what Julie Plec had to say thankfully there's still more than enough time for Julie Plec and the rest of the legacies creative team to figure out ways to bring former originals and DVD stars back into the limelight for season two and beyond for instance she seems really into getting Chris Wood's memorable villain Kai back in the mix now all we have to do is get through these long summer months to see it happen legacies will return to the CW for season two this fall starting on Thursday October 10th at 9 p.m. ET it'll follow the 15th and final season of Supernatural so let's also cross our fingers for some kind of an unexpected crossover to happen let's block @y

WATCH LIVE – Boris Johnson vs Jeremy Hunt in Conservative leadership hustings in Belfast



a short video from each of the campaign teams as well before you meet the candidates so without further ado let's watch Jeremy hunts little video the most striking quality about Jeremy Hunt was his unwavering commitment to get results I think perhaps part of that is to do with his background in business no matter what the obstacles were he was prepared to push through them he wanted to get results I've seen him deliver on the things that matter most to the British people he has credibility from all sides I trust him on brexit I'm known Jeremy for 40 years about 25 of those years we've worked together setting up various businesses though 30 days were absolutely about his determination and grit would never give up well I first met Jeremy I realized there was a man who actually was committed to making a difference in 2008 I lost my baby son Joshua as a consequence of serious failures in his care during my campaign to kind of uncover the truth about what happened I was struggling to be heard Jeremy really listened and entreated me was to breathing dad rather than a troublemaker I knew when this was somebody who was gonna change things my mum died quite tragically and poor caring mid staffs Jeremy was incredibly kind he saw the bereaved daughter behind the campaigner he saw people that mattered we have known Jeremy Hunt since the early 2000s he and his business partner buck started funding the education of children living with HIV in our community-based program Jeremy's generosity is sensed by a soul that desire to make a difference really drives that's never been about him it's always been about what he can do to help others the work is done we'll save the lives of countless babies and other families will not have to go through the kind of pain that we didn't often underestimate Jeremy because he comes across being such a light and generous an IT person and he is but remember hearing of warning the EU not to mistake British politeness Britain weakness and I don't that just about sums it up I was pessimistic about Louisville a little bit and I thought you know we couldn't mess this up over talking to Jeremy in the build up I said no you know we're a great country we can do this we have the right mindset the delivery was outstanding it also had this element of fun I know that Jeremy was very involved in getting that balance right he believes in Britain as a force for good in the world he shows strong values at the FCO and consistently good judgements negotiate toughing it out when things get really difficult keeping going having a vision those are the skills that we need in the primers is a unifier is somebody who can reach out to different groups of people my daddy was talking to fans politics should be about making difference in ordinary people's lives I'm German a huge difference to our lives he gave us hope and that for me was the main thing that he gave his hope until very very context ladies and gentlemen please welcome Jeremy Hunt thank you very much Ian who has been coming round the country with me and Boris and always looking very attentive at those videos even though he's seen there were a hundred times it's a huge pleasure to be I'm gonna stand in front actually it's a huge pleasure to be here this morning and last night after a very busy day campaigning I settled down to the penultimate episode of the last series of Game of Thrones and this was of course nothing to do with wanting to relax it was preparation for today because because of course you can be very proud of Game of Thrones being filmed here and in fact I was culture secretary in 2012 when we negotiated that TV tax credit with the Chancellor which bought the game of Thrones series here 150 million pounds of investment I'm slightly less proud of all the blood and gore and guts that you see in that programme but I'm proud to be here for another reason which is that as foreign secretary I go all over the world and whether it is Yemen or Burma or Israel Palestine people look at the peace process here as a shining inspiration of what is possible and I know back home people worry about the fragility of it but I want you to know how proud I am and how proud the world is as to what was achieved here that very very significant moment in our country's history and I'm standing here because I want to change our country for the better to govern is to choose and I have four priorities that I want to change and I'm going to tell you those four priorities but we can't do any of them until we sought brexit and yesterday I met representatives from the Northern Ireland Farmers Union the food and drink Federation people from the border towns around noori and they talked to me about their concerns about a No Deal situation not least the fact that 60% of the provinces exports go through the republic of ireland and that is one of the reasons why yesterday I announced a six billion pound support package for businesses particularly farmers and the fishing community to help us weather No Deal if that is what we end up with but I want to tell you that that would not be my first choice and indeed it's not the real choice in this election because both candidates have said that we have to leave the European Union that was the Democratic decision and both candidates have said that we have to leave without a deal if if that's the only way to do it the choice we have is who is the Prime Minister we sent to Brussels who has the best chance of negotiating a deal of avoiding those difficult choices that we would face in a No Deal situation and if you choose me I'll be the first Prime Minister who's ever had a background as an entrepreneur I'm sure there are lots of people here who started their own businesses what do we do when you start a business you negotiate and negotiation is what I want to do for our country to get the best possible brexit outcome and then the excitement starts so I'm just looking at the clock here because mr. Dale here will give me a big ticking off if we go over but my four priorities the first is as someone who set up their own business I want to fire up our economy I want to turn it into the most pro-growth Pro Enterprise fastest most green most high-tech economy anywhere in the world we have some of the best universities in Europe some of the best in the world we could be the world's next Silicon Valley here in Northern Ireland you know that because you have 40,000 people employed in the creative industries a huge achievement and a huge opportunity so that's number one number two I am the foreign secretary who wants our country to walk tall in the world my dad was in the Navy we followed him all over the country and I passionately believe that Britain is one of the few countries that stands up for democratic values and the security needed to underpin them so I've said I will increase our defense spending to beyond 2% of GDP to send that signal to the world that at the point of brexit Britain is here Britain is back and our voice is going to be strong in the world my third priority is one that is actually a devolved matter but I want to tell it to you because it says something about our values as a party which will be important here in Northern Ireland I was health secretary responsible for the NHS in England for nearly six years and we as a Conservative Party have to have a social mission as well as an economic mission and I find it deeply troubling that nearly 1/4 of our primary school leavers leave unable to read or write properly and I want us to be the Conservative government that abolish –iz illiteracy and makes a promise that every single young person will leave the education system with the rigorous qualifications necessary to get a decently paid job and the forth of my four priorities is actually one for the Conservative Party itself we have got to get more young people supporting us we can't be the party of aspiration if the most aspirational people in our country don't vote for us so I make a promise that we will go for young people with a whole series of policies and of course why did Corbin do so well at the last election because he got young people to support him we need them supporting us and I will never ever ignore the biggest threat facing British politics which is a Labour Party led by the most dangerous ruthless anti Western anti British hard left cabal that we have ever seen in British politics get this wrong and there will be no Conservative government no brexit maybe even no Conservative Party get this right and we will deliver brexit unite our party unleash the potential of our great country and send Corbin packing and that's what I'm going to do thank you very much on my way here from the airport I asked my taxi driver what would he ask the both of you if he had the chance and he said how is it justified for politicians installment to be paid a salary when they're not actually doing anything how are you better placed than your opponent to get the assembly and executive up and running again well you're about to hear from Boris so you can you can ask him that question but how would I do first of all it is totally unacceptable that politicians who are paid to run the NHS to run the schools to promote inward investment are not turning up to work and doing their job and you know we have to be absolutely clear this is a big abdication of responsibility and they need to get back to delivering what was a fundamental tenant of the Belfast Good Friday Agreement which is that devolved assembly what would I do as Prime Minister well I think the lesson of that historic achievement back in 1998 is that the only way to do this is with the personal involvement of the Prime Minister and I think we need to have a prime minister who is prepared to put in the time to really make this happen I think Theresa May has been very committed to Northern Ireland and to the Union but I give you this commitment that I – as Prime Minister will put in the time personally to get that assembly back up and running I think both sides need to understand that personal commitment from number 10 why do you think it hasn't happened so far getting it back up and running the talks now I think I'm right in saying if these latest talks are being going on for 10 weeks not sure there's a huge sign of any progress well I think there the fact that the talks are happening after the tragic murder of Lera McKee is a step forward from from where we were you know there are of course the things that trigger these walkouts but in the end it's about building up trust between the sides now we have an opportunity we have two sides that are talking and I would do everything in my power to get those talks to come to fruition um back stop do you recognize that the back stop in its current form doesn't have the support or consent of most units and therefore breach is one of the fundamental tenets of the Good Friday Agreement what what would you do about that well I do recognize that we are never going to have a deal to leave the EU with the backstop and so it has to change or it has to go and the fundamental issue with the backstop is not the principle that we shouldn't have border infrastructure on the island of Ireland I think that's accepted by all sides in the Conservative Party by the DUP by everyone who's been involved in this debate the principle is the backstop which traps us into following EU customs tariffs until the EU give us permission to leave the customs union and you know for a brexit vote that was about bringing back sovereignty to Parliament that is not acceptable I was one of the people who argued against accepting that backstop in cabinet but I think it's important that a Prime Minister has a loyal foreign secretary so I kept those discussions private but that has to change and we have to find a different solution and I think it will be a technology LED solution what the Germans call an invisible border we are rapidly understanding the potential of technology now and I think the work done by Greg hands and Nicky Morgan in the alternative arrangements Commission is the basis of the solution but the EU keep telling us that the technology isn't there they do and I think one of the reasons they tell us that is because frankly it would be easier for them and better for them if we stayed inside the customs union so we have to negotiate a way to resolve any difference of opinion some arbitration mechanism that would resolve how you solve a situation where there's a disagreement about what technology can do but both sides agree that if technology can do it's the way forward I believe it is and I don't actually think it needs new technology I think we can do it with the technology we have there used to be a phrase that many conservatives uttered some years ago saying you the conservative party should not out Faraj Faraj now yesterday you made a speech where you've been accused of trying to out Boris Boris you've become very very brick city all of a sudden some people are saying that's another flip-flop not at all and the position that I outlined yesterday is the position that I've been arguing for in the cabinet as foreign secretary for the last year of I've always thought we need to go further and faster on No Deal preparations and that there is a difference between Boris and my position I don't think it's as big as people maintain but basically I've said if we get a deal and it needs a few more days to get through Parliament at the end of October I wouldn't rip that up because I think it would be much better for everyone but particularly in Northern Ireland to have a deal and he has taken an absolutist position on that date but both of us have said that if there is no prospect of a deal then we will leave without a deal and I would do that because you know when I go around the world and people tell me what it is they like about Britain it is that we are one of the oldest most robust most established democracies in the world and what does that mean we're a country where people like me do what people like you tell us to do and that's why we're not just going to do brexit but we're going to make it a terrific success but you've accused Boris Johnson of imposing a fake date of October the 31st but yesterday you impose one of your own the 30th of September saying if there was no prospect of a deal by then then we would leave under No Deal what's the difference between imposing these two deadlines well the reason I say it's a fake debate about the 31st of October is because both of us have got the challenge that Parliament is trying to take no deal off the table and doesn't matter who's Prime Minister if Parliament takes that option off the table then it's off the table but why did I talk about the end of September because I want to give the EU a reasonable amount of time to consider new proposals made by the new British prime minister when they have done that the Prime Minister needs to make a judgment as to whether there's a deal there that can get through Parliament I don't think it'll be just the Prime Minister making that judgment I think we'll all know I mean the EU seem to come back pretty quickly if they're not prepared to countenance a negotiation I believe they will but if they don't then there's got to be a moment when we say okay the talking's over heads down we're going to prepare for no deal and that's why the package I announced yesterday included I think the biggest package of business tax cuts that we've ever had in our country's history designed to help businesses like the small business that I set up weather the storms that you would get with No Deal so that we can get through to the other side do you think abortion and same-sex marriage should be legalized in Northern Ireland and if the assembly didn't vote it through should the UK Parliament do it on equality and human rights grounds well these are deeply personal issues if I was Northern Irish I would want the law changed in both those areas this is a devolved matter and I think the best way to resolve this is to get the assembly back up and running and to establish a consensus in the province so that we can go forward on these very difficult issues Sara canning Leverett Lehrer maki's partner said that the biggest tribute that could be paid to her is for the UK Parliament to intervene and introduce same-sex marriage in Northern Ireland what's your response to that well I sincerely hope the law does change but when you change the law on an issue like this you do need an element of social consent and I would like to see the Assembly have a look at that issue in detail first before any decision was taken along those lines all I will say is that opinions and we see opinions change very dramatically in England since that law changed to widespread acceptance of this as being the right way to go so I hope it happens but I think it's something where we need to take the population with us do you think it's about time the Conservative Party organized properly in Northern Ireland what I want conservatives to be standing up for our values everywhere and I want to salute the people in this room because it is tough for all of you and to be a conservative in in a part of the country where we don't have any MPs at all shows particular commitment to our cause so I will back you as Prime Minister it's a long journey but I would love to see Conservative MPs conservative Assembly representatives in Northern Ireland because we are a United Kingdom and I would like the party of the Union to be represented in every part of our United Kingdom here's the the final lighter question for me which I know you always look forward to you mentioned Game of Thrones a minute ago which Game of Thrones character do you most identify with well um I'm not gonna say something cliche like Jon Snow but what I'm going to just tell you is that the best story I heard about Jon Snow was that about Kit Harington who's the character who plays for those who don't watch Game of Thrones the kind of the hero is that he was apparently stopped for speeding in the province and the police officer said to him now there's two things that I can do either I can give you a speeding ticket or you can tell me if you come back to life in the next episode of Game of Thrones there's a great story of actually giving an answer by that anecdote oh go on then Jon Snow trying for questions from the audience who would like to ask the first one first one here second one there Jeremy you conclude your speech there by stressing your commitment to the Northern Ireland conservatives but yesterday you did mention in a speech that a quote here a new political negotiating team will be convened with members of the ERG the DUP members of the one nation group Welsh on Scottish Conservatives know there it's I think it's quite noticeable that we are conspicuous by our absence yet the dup are not negotiating group perhaps you could elaborate than that of course there's a very simple reason for that that negotiating team that I'm assembling is the negotiating team that we need to get a majority in the House of Commons in order to get a brexit deal through one of the reasons why unfortunately the negotiations stopped with Theresa May was because the EU stopped believing that the British government could deliver the British Parliament and so they said why should we make any concessions if it's not going to make any difference in Parliament so we need to persuade the EU that we have a coalition that can get a majority through Parliament and we do depend on that partnership with the DUP but also with the brexit purists in the conservative party the ERG and also I've included Scottish and Welsh conservatives in that list because I want their concerns to be properly addressed but it's simply about getting the parliamentary arithmetic we need to renew that deal with a DUP because we need a majority in parliament I would infinitely prefer us to have conservative MPs in Northern Ireland so that we didn't need to depend on another political party for that majority but but you know to govern is to accept the world as it is and then to campaign to make it better and that's what I hope we can do it cost the taxpayer a billion pounds last time there's still three years to go in this Parliament are we going to see something a similar sum we we have that agreement with the DUP we paid the money and I would like them to do their bit and help us get a brexit deal through let me leave it at that Paul Paul McGann he'll have the north dying Conservative Association will you be able to pledge Mr Hunt that there will never be a separate Northern Ireland only referendum on the issue of the backstop and that in relation to brexit that northern Iran will be treated in exactly the same way all the other parts of the United Kingdom yes and you know let me be clear I think that is the heart of the difficulties that we've had with the current deal is a fear that the backstop which the Northern Ireland business community on the whole welcomes but unionists in Northern Ireland feel concerned by because they worry that it would either risk different regulatory environment for Northern Ireland to the rest of the UK which would be a barrier for the Union or it could mean the whole of the UK had to follow EU regulations which could weaken the commitment to the Union in the rest of the UK so for that reason we have to change the backstop I think it's very important to remember that Northern Irish trade with GB is more than Northern Irish trade with the Republic of Ireland the EU and the rest of the world put together so we can never have any barriers to trade between Northern Ireland and Great Britain right gentlemen at the back followed by lady in the middle no good morning can you tell us Jeremy and you did say 100% commitment to conservers in Northern Ireland and we have had consecutive PM's party chairs and Secretary of State's doing the CM can you specify what support and how you would help controllers adorn their own well I am I happen to believe that the union is something that we have taken for granted for too long and when I think about the Scottish independence referendum in 2014 I believe we were complacent in the run-up to that referendum and we had a nasty scare during that campaign when it looked like it was getting very close but I think we've been complacent after it and I think it's absolutely essential that the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom puts a lot of time and thought into nourishing the bonds of our union and some of that is through symbolic things like coming here frequently and supporting the Northern Irish Conservative Party which I'm absolutely committed to do but some of it is also through the approach you take to policies and I think that brexit if we get it right can massively strengthen our union because it will allow our great country to plow its furrow in the world in a way that is distinctly uniquely British and makes all parts all the four parts of the UK proud to be British but we've got to get there and we've got to get there with a deal that makes that possible and that is my commitment that is the deal I'll negotiate would you ask your party chairman though to you actually create a better infrastructure for the Conservative Party here I suspect that was more what the gentleman was really implying in that I think certainly friends of mine in Northern Ireland say that the Northern Ireland Conservative Party feels completely cut off from the main Conservative Party and doesn't get that level of support well I'll be very open to doing that if you tell me what you think needs to happen that's something I would certainly happily consider north nod and benefits greatly from EU funding especially the voluntary sector yes there's still been no public consultation on the shared prosperity fund or Treasury guarantees for peace plus I'm just wondering what you attend intend to do if you do become party leader well I think we absolutely have to maintain our commitment to all four parts of the UK obviously when we're not making contributions to the EU we will be saving around nine billion pounds a year and we will be able to make up for some of the shortfalls from parts of the UK that have received funding and you know I'd want to do that in a way that was fair but the more important point that I want to make to you as a fellow conservative is that we need to demonstrate to the whole country that we are not just the party of London and the South East which are our heartlands because we can never win a general election and s people see a real commitment to the whole of the UK of course that includes Northern Ireland the package that I announced yesterday of no deal support would have a particular focus on Northern I because this is one of the parts of the country that we most affected by no deal but that approach has to follow all our infrastructure investments all our support for university research and it has to be part of everything we do how am i strong I very much liked what you said about getting young people more involved with our party because I think we should be the party of the young as a student from Northern Ireland he studies in Hull there's this particular I'd like to ask you about and as health secretary for previous house faculty I think interesting incident what do you think about the possibility of being able to allow students to register at more than one GP so as someone like me here's my home for three months could go to a GP if I need to well I'm at home well that is a impressively detailed and specific question and I've got the answer to but I'm not sure it's gonna be quite enough to get all young people to vote conservative but but but the answer to that question is of course we need people to be able to use GPS anywhere they go in the country and and that includes to different parts of the UK and the way to solve that is something that I championed as health secretary which is to have an electronic health record which means that it's just incredibly easy for a GP anywhere you go to log into your details and with your permission of course and then you can get the treatment you need wherever you go and so that's how I would do that but in terms of how I attract young people more generally if I could just mention I think there are some specific things in an English context that really bother young people like the interest rate on tuition fees the difficulty of getting onto the housing ladder which I'm sure is an issue here but it's a devolved matter but I think there are also what you might call values issues things where young people just need to know that we're on the same side and we get where they're coming from and probably the biggest of those is climate change we have done an enormous amount over the last nine years in fact we've done more than any other major economy if you look at our growth since 1990 our GDP is 70% higher and our carbon emissions 40% lower and there's nowhere else that comes near that in terms of big economies but the truth is it's not enough and we need to be able to answer the enough question for young people because they look at people like me and they say you know we're gonna be around in 50 years time and even with the aging population you may not be and so we want to know that planet's gonna be safe no helicopter landed after a climate change our answer which Gillian Carlile when Boris was answering a climate change emergency question a helicopter landed and it turned out to be Jeremiah right lady there and then the gentleman that Felicity Houston East Belfast and Jeremy you were talking quite a lot about particular with your experience of foreign secretary of getting Britain back on the year at the world map in the position we should be in and using our soft and hard power and but I'm particularly wondering how you see we would work with our relationship with China which for the past few years we have been dazzled by their economic power but blind to what they are doing to their own people and I'm now thinking particularly in the case of Hong Kong where the young activists there are begging the British government to come and speak on their behalf and I fear we have a certain moral duty to the people of Hong Kong and it reminds me a little bit of what happens here we are often forgotten about and it seems the same thing as being is exactly happening in Hong Kong because economically it's not a good idea to upset the Chinese so I do wonder how you would take us forward to a respectable relationship with a superpower like that and particularly there was people in Hong Kong thank you well thank you Felicity fryer yes that's Thank You felicity for asking that question and I was asked this last night on on Sky News actually and I said that I'm someone who's never had to fight for my freedom my dad was in the Navy and thanks to the service of his generation we won the Cold War so they knew what it was like to put their lives on the line for the values that we believe in China is a very very important country we can't stop its growth and we shouldn't want to because they're lifting a lot of people out of poverty and it's a it's a huge success story and of course we want to benefit from trading opportunities with China and we wish them well but we can never compromise on our values and the first time I met the Chinese Foreign Minister last August Hong Kong was one of the issues that I raised with him and I'm afraid since then things have got worse and I gave a statement to the media this morning in which I said that none of us support the violence that we saw on TV last night but we do understand the reason for people's anger and the reason for people's fears that their basic freedoms are going to be taken away and so the way to address this issue is not by repression or any heavy-handed tactics by the Hong Kong government but understand the root causes of those concerns including that extradition bill which quite understandably people feel could mean that if they speak their mind politically which of course is one of the great freedoms they have in Hong Kong they could get shipped off to China and get sent to prison so you know we do want calm there but we want the government of Hong Kong and the government of China to understand that what makes Hong Kong special the freedoms of its people what can we as a country actually do I mean we are the fifth largest economy in the world you just pay tribute to try China saying was a tremendous success story which in economic terms it may be but certainly not in human rights terms but what can we do apart from I mean you tweeted the other day saying our support for Hong Kong is unwavering you put it in in capitals which is significant on Twitter but in practical terms what can the UK government do well Hong Kong is part of China and you know we have to accept that but the freedoms in Hong Kong are enshrined in a joint declaration signed by Margaret Thatcher and Deng Xiaoping in 1984 and that is an internationally binding legal agreement between our two countries and what I said then and what I said again this morning is that we expect that legally binding agreement to be honored and if it isn't there will be serious consequences which would be well I think you know you have to allow me some latitude as Foreign Secretary to make a decision on that when the appropriate time comes but I want to be absolutely clear to answer Felicity's question that our values are not negotiable and that we expect all countries to honor their legal agreements with the United Kingdom right gentlemen they're followed by gentlemen of the background good morning urban Armstrong two questions one's very simple will the Northern Ireland Sackett restate remember a remain a full member of your cabinet and the Satan question is you have laid very heavy emphases on how good you are in negotiations and what you can do can you negotiate a deal that will allow Northern Ireland to trade with the EU and the UK and to take part in any future UK trade deals at the same time the answer to both of those is yes but to the second one whilst we are going to need to negotiate the deal that you're talking about I don't want to pretend this is going to be easy it is going to be very challenging but nor is it impossible and I think if we take the right approach to this the right deal is there for us and why do I say that because when I talk to other European leaders they want to solve this problem as well they say that this is a problem for Europe as well as a problem for the UK they don't want a No Deal brexit and so I think if we take the right approach if we send them a prime minister that they're willing to talk to they will give us a hearing and I think there's a chance of a deal I think there's a deal to be done but I don't want to pretend that it's not going to be bumpy getting back hi Jeremy just one question like you asked Nigel Faraj has shown himself to be a highly competent operator we need all the assistance we can get is there any chance of his expertise being tapped into well the question was asked in a very seductive way but I'm afraid I'm going to disappoint you and say no and the reason I'm going to say no is apart from all the many issues that people might have about some of the characters that surround Nigel Faraj he wants a different outcome he wants he wants a WTO brexit he wants a No Deal brexit and I think for Northern Ireland it would be infinitely better to get a deal and that's what I'm going to negotiate who are these shady characters surrounding our Jeffress we don't need to go into that now but well Ann Widdecombe is a great conservative politician she should be with us right thank you James roofie North dine Jeremy I was very pleased that you as foreign secretary initiated a review of the persecution of Christians throughout the world and also I saw on Sunday that Prince Charles has identified himself very much as this cause what more can we do to help these suffering brothers and sisters particularly in the in the Middle East at the moment where they are being eliminated in many areas of the other that the aunt where they grew up James thank you for asking that question I think we've had a bit of a blind spot in British foreign policy we champion freedom of religion all over the world I think of the the rahega Muslims in Burma for example who suffered the most terrible persecution but whether it's because of political correctness or a sense of awkwardness about our colonial past and the missionaries I don't know but the fact is 80% of the people around the world were persecuted for their faith are Christians and they aren't wealthy Westerners they're often very poor people and you mentioned the Middle East the population Middle East used to be 20 percent Christian now it's just 5% and when you look at some of the terrible murders that happen in countries like Afghanistan Libya Egypt what I notice is that often these things are happening in countries that we give a lot of aid money to and so the question I want to ask is are we using the influence we have to try to protect people who just want to worship their own God our God my God in freedom and that's what we should be championing so I've asked the bishop of to do a review as to what more we could do in the foreign office and I'm hoping that we'll publish that review next week that question brings an end to our time with Jeremy hunt ladies and gentlemen um I very rudely didn't actually introduce myself at the beginning for those of you who don't know me and Dale I present the LBC evening show each evening I know many of you are listeners as you've been telling me in the run-up to this event now we are now going to watch Boris Johnson's campaign video before we meet him yes of course you can if I get in will come out a lot of teachers tell me that they've got they've got it they feel that the funding safe big city was when I used to run it I can tell you we got crime down by people and I might another murder it down I also think we need to be supporting the the wealth graders in the business sector because otherwise you're not gonna have them the doctor to invest it's cut some taxes and you get money it would you normally think of yourself as a conservative voter would you say no car skewed a terrible question would you consider voting for me yes if there is one lesson from that referendum of 2060 it is the too many people feel left behind that they're not able to take part fully in the opportunities and success of our country that's why now is the time to unite our society and unite our country to build the infrastructure to invest in education to improve our environment and to support our fantastic NHS to lift everyone in our country and of course also to make sure that we support our wealth creators and the businesses that make that investment possible now's the time for us to believe in ourselves and what we can do and that's why I am standing to be leader of the Conservative Party ladies and gentlemen please welcome Boris Johnson [Applause] good afternoon everybody good afternoon thank you very much for coming fantastic to see somebody here last time I was speaking to the Conservatives in in Northern Ireland was in Bangor many years ago any veterans of that occasion here I don't know I'd anywhere there are but I can tell you it was a it was a time when our party was pretty much down in the dumps and everybody said that we were facing a resurgent and very dangerous Labour Party and of course they were they were right then they were right then but I'm afraid that there are huge differences between then and now and yes it's true that our party is facing difficulties but we can turn it round and we can turn it round by Oh me come back and we're to win by Duke we can turn around by doing three very simple things number one we've got to get brexit done and we've got to get it over the line and we've got to get it done by October the 31st and come out of the EU and that believe me will be a major relief to politics across the whole of the United Kingdom and there are there are several things we need to do we need to make sure we look after our friends of European Union citizens who are here we need to make sure that we don't give that 39 billion pounds away too cheaply and that we suspended in a state of creative ambiguity above the talks until such time as we get an agreement and of course we need to sort out the problems of the Northern Irish border where those problems should be sorted out in the context of the free trade deal then we're going to do after we have left on October the 31st and I think it's absolute vital here in Northern Ireland to stress two things and number one that we will under no circumstances have a hard border there will be no physical checks or infrastructure at the border in Northern Ireland and number two we will make sure we have a an exit from the EU a brexit that allows the whole UK to come out entire and undivided and we keep our union absolutely intact and we can do it we absolutely can do – I'm determined to do it as I say by October the 31st and one of the pledges I have made is that if I'm lucky enough to be successful in this contest I will be not only Prime Minister and first of all of the Treasury and Minister for the civil service but I will also be Minister for the Union in which I passionately believe because there everywhere I go around the world I meet people who who don't identify our amazing country as England or Ireland Northern Ireland or or Scotland or Wales they they think that we are the United Kingdom and they see our brand the UK as being far far more powerful as the some of our far more powerful than the sum of our parts and I I think they're right and we should fight for that Union and we should defend it and protect it and I think the second thing that we need to do obviously is to get our mojo backers conservatives and to believe in our calls to believe in wealth creation and to stand up for the moral force of our political ideas because they're the right ideas and I think if we support the wealth creators and the entrepreneurs and the business community then we'll have the tax that we need to pay for fantastic public services and a great education infrastructure and all the rest of it I think people understand that and they can understand the fundamental balance and and symmetry at the heart of our conservative agenda and I think if we get our mojo back and we believe in ourselves again as a Conservative Party then of course I think that we will be able to take the fight to the enemy in there and talk to our opponents and there are there are two parties at the moment that are prospering mightily from in the whole of the UK from our failure to get breaks it over the line there of course the brexit Party and the Liberal Democrats and once we've done that we'll prick those two buff balls as it were and lots of voters who are currently with them we'll come back to our party and that will put us in a much better position to do what I think we really all want to do and that is to get ready to defeat Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party and it's utterly vital that we do that because you all understand I I think the the economic disaster the Jeremy Corbyn in the Labour Party would present for our country I mean the guide is you know he's or he backs Hamas and Hizballah and he seemed to side with the mullahs of Tehran the other day rather than with our allies in the United States when it came to the dispute over what was happening in the in the Persian Gulf quite quite incredible I went when the screep out poisonings took place in Salisbury he seemed to be wanting to give Moscow the benefit of the Durbin and if you remember that and it's it's it's even worse than that this is a guy who would who would as I think everybody in this room understands who would favor a united Ireland and who would break up our union and worse than that who has in the past been quite shameless in his support of the agenda of the IRA and who is in John McDonnell has actually condoned the armed struggle as he calls it of the IRA and the bombs and bullets of the the terrorists and I think for that reason alone he should be kept away from from number 10 to say nothing of the economic disaster he would cause and this is a guy who would put up taxes on just about everything from income to pensions to corporation tax financial transaction tax inheritance tax even the garden tax he would impose on this country he had to pull to pay for a deranged plan of reen a tional ization costing 300 billion pounds he would be a political moral catastrophe he'll be an economic catastrophe for our country he would break up precious union and we cannot let him anywhere near number 10 and in fending him off as I believe that we can if we get brexit done if we re energized our party as I'm sure that we can I believe I'm the best guy to be unleashed on that project because I would just remind you that the last time we faced last time I faced in an emanation of the London labor left I came from behind to defeat him a considerably while eeeh and more devious customer by the way than other than Jeremy Corbyn I defeated him when our party was 17 points behind labour in the polls in London we did it then we can do it again and with your help and support we will thank you all very much [Applause] on the way here I asked my taxi driver what he would want to ask the both of you and he said how can it be justified paying members of the Northern Ireland decide when they haven't executive back up and running again well I think they need to get back round the table as fast as possibility to they need to be sorting this thing out and I and I good reason for that I speak as a former leader of a city government in in London and you you need you need when you have local business when you have local communities that require proper representation you need somebody to stick up for their economic interests and to champion them and to move that society forward and it can tweet this the current drift is isn't is not right for Northern Ireland and I would urge all sides get on with it restore Stormont and get it get it over the line what do you put that drift down to well I think that there are various difficulties that they there are some sensitive issues on or on on either side and we all know roughly what they are and we all know that they need to be addressed with common sense and andr tact and with sensitivity but there is scope for compromise to get it done but it's taken two years what can you bring to it to really galvanize it well I think that they have the I will do whatever I can personally to energize and and direct the the talks and to try to bring people together but I think that what everybody needs to do is to recognize that it's the it's the citizens and the voters of Northern Ireland who are losing out as a result of this failure to to get together and I hope they'll get on with it um moving on to brexit do you recognise and the backstop in its current form doesn't have the support and consent of most unionists and therefore breaches one of the fundamental tenets of the Good Friday Agreement what will you do about that well I think that the as I've said many times the the the backstop presents a prime minister of the UK with an absolutely unacceptable choice between abandoning our ability to govern ourselves in the sense that we would the UK would have to submit EU law on tariffs and EU law on on regulations with no say on though on those rules or alternatively to give up control of the government of Northern Ireland and that is clearly unacceptable and that's a choice that I totally reject as I've said before if I you know the the Union comes first of course but I believe that we should not be faced with that choice and the solution must be for the whole UK to come out in its entirety from the EU and to and to find the solutions that are needed for frictionless trade across the border in the context of the free trade deal and we can and you know Michel Barnier and others have said that those solutions are there and indeed they have said that they wouldn't impose a hard border themselves and they're quite right I think it'd be the lunacy to do so they it is in the withdrawal agreement they say they're not going to reopen the withdrawal agreement or make any changes to the backstop how can you persuade them to do that well I think that the withdrawal agreement as it currently stands is a dead letter and you know as I said there are bits there are useful bits in it the provisions on citizens can be taken out they can be disaggregated they could be they can be used we should be passing those through the House of Commons anyway in a super rogatory way but the the money as I say is is is quite a lot but the the question of the of the backstop and don't forget the reason why we have it is that it was basically devised with the support if not the instigation of the British side partly because there are there are many who who conceive that the relationship that they wanted with the EU was one where we stayed in the customs union and in full regulatory alignment even though that made a nonsense of brexit and so what the what the backstop really represents is I'm afraid the incoherence at the heart of the strategy that we've been pursuing over the last few years we've been wanting to come out of the of the EU supposedly whilst actually being prepared to stay in the customs union and in full regulatory alignment when that is tantamount to coming out of the EU but being run by the EU and and so what I think people in this country want is to come out there's a whole UK solve the issues of the of the backstop in the context of the FTA and use the opportunities that brexit brings us to do things differently Wow where that is necessary and where that is exciting for business and industry well that's what we should be doing what would you say about the idea that maybe a temporary solution would be to have a snap referendum in Northern Ireland on a temporary membership of a customs union in order to get the EU snap will need people's patience I guess I think I think you know I really can't we've been we had a referendum issues were very extensively debated let's get on and and deliver on the mandate of the people because if we don't believe me my fellow conservatives it's great to see so many here we will we will continue to hemorrhage support in in our country and up the Conservative Party will not recover as a fighting force until we get brexit done an over line and until we get it done properly believe me do you think that abortion and same-sex marriage should be legalized in Northern Ireland and if the assembly doesn't vote it through should the UK Parliament do so look I think that this is pre-eminently a matter for the people of Northern Ireland and that is why risk of sounding like a crack record I want the hope that the government of Northern Ireland can be resumed as soon as possible so that this issue can be decided in the forum where it properly belongs in other words that that's Stormont I mean you know this is not this is for this is for the people of Northern Ireland and for their politicians what do you say to Sara canning Lyra Mackey's partner who said the greatest tribute that could be paid to her would be for the UK Parliament to actually enact same-sex marriage in Northern Ireland well I understand her feelings and I you know and I was I was 13 years the years ago for for equal marriage and and supported completely but I I think that the the the forum in which this issue should be debated and decided is the is the government of normal and that's that's another reason to get it going get it going for economic reasons but also to sort out these difficult political questions and I don't think that the UK government should be imposing something that should be decided here by the people in Northern Ireland do you think it's about time the Conservative Party organized properly in Northern Ireland well I think this was pretty proper to me I mean we got a what do you think it's big he disrespectful of en en to suggest that this turnout today is a great man now in the fact that in conservative campaign headquarters in London they give lots of money all around the country to different different constituencies different regions to promote the conservative message I think there is a feeling in Northern Ireland that the Conservative Party here is treated as a bit of a backwater well I think I may be the only candidate slept in this race has actually been to speak to the Conservative Party in Northern Ireland before I do I don't know whether you interviewed my previous my I did I didn't he raised it but I mean I I in northern and I've done what I can to help and and to encourage I do think it's wonderful that conservatives are organizing here in Northern Ireland but it but the fact is that we have an arrangement of confidence and supply with the DUP and it's perfectly right that I think Philip Hammond and myself and a number of other I did go to their to their conference and so I tell you why I think that was a reasonable thing to do because if we didn't have the DUP supporting us in Westminster much as I admire the work of conservatives in Northern Ireland we didn't have the DUP and I'm afraid the truth is we would have Jeremy Corbyn who has an agenda to break up the Union to say nothing of his support for the IRA and all the rest of it so I justify my my visit on those grounds and I was made it absolutely clear that I was speaking as a as a visitor and not a any sense of participant of their conference should we move on to the next question final question yes do you watch Game of Thrones I I you know I have watched bits of it I haven't got into it in the in the but of course I know that Game of Thrones is is is filmed here in in Orland and not only that but of course Game of Thrones is I think the next Star Wars movie the Obi I think this George Lucas he's gonna do a film about obi-wan Kenobi as far as I know it she's gonna be made here in Northern Ireland but many many wonderful things are made will come from northern character and Game of Thrones or even Star Wars that you can identify with the trolls like I don't know Game of Thrones well enough to be able to to identify any of any of the characters Star Wars I tell you what I identified very I did I identify very much with the guy with a lightsaber the Jedi Knight sets in I tell you why I tell you why because I'm delighted to say one of the many links between between are between Northern Ireland and and myself I'm proud to say that the the lightsaber is manufactured and was invented guess where in Uxbridge and south right slit by bradster which is the constituency I write I represent and I have I have I have a lightsaber in my in my office in in Westminster there's a most beautiful thing which was presented to me by no less a figure than Christopher Lee anyway that's that's a that's a digression but it shows it shows how our United Kingdom is linked together we we invented the lightsaber in Uxbridge it is wielded in Northern Ireland and the resulting film is sold around the world and grosses more than any other movie in history or as fall or something like that which shows by the way how the UK is not is dominant in the creative culture and media sectors as well as there are so many others right time for questions he would like to ask the first one gentleman at the back there then gentleman that Johnny Andrew Stanford Association in view of the northern and office not being ready for brexit how do you propose to ensure that they're ready and can I also ask how you propose to create a more positive brexit in Northern Ireland as we've been faced with really almost a Prosoft brexit here in terms of the fixed link how do you rank the fixed link in terms of your infrastructure projects thank you I think we should be very positive about brexit and we should be we should not be terrified of a of a No Deal Rex if we should not be terrified of coming out on WTO terms we will make sure we look after the agriculture in interest we look after we have deficiency payments farm get payments export refunds whatever is necessary to protect farmers will make sure that just-in-time supply chains are protected and I think a lot of the negativity about a WTO brexit has been wildly overdone you know people say that there won't be any clean drinking water and the planes won't fly and then there won't be milk solids and glucose and way to make Mars bars it's all do you really believe that it is total nonsense I prophesied very confidently that we will have a successful brexit the planes will fly there will be clean drinking water and there will be there will be way for the Mars bars because whereas the will does away as iong as I never tire of saying and as for as for the fixed link I presume by that you mean the proposal by Alan Dunlop of a Liverpool University for a fixed link between Northern Ireland and Scotland is that what is that what you're talking about well I look I'm an enthusiast for that idea I'm gonna put it out there I only asked for that idea I think it's a good idea but again that is the kind of project that should be pursued by a dynamic Northern Ireland government championed by local people with local consent an interest backed by local business and mobilized by the politicians of Northern Ireland that's what that's what should happen we want a an IKE you know I'm one in favor of it but it's got to be it's got to come it's got to be supported by people here in Northern Ireland National Finance sure yes yes but that you would go and believe me but with with infrastructure projects finances is not the issue or not the issue is political will the issue is getting people but getting the business community to see that this could be something that works for them the issue is getting popular demand and popular consent for a great infrastructure project and that is why you need Stormont mr. Johnson my name is Adam Flanagan I've recently completed my a-levels in South Belfast it's good to hear about you defending the Union but rather than taking a defensive approach can you tell me specifically how you would promote and prosper I promote and foster Northern Ireland's place in the Union especially when there's increasing apathy and the mainland towards our place in the Union well not not in not in not anywhere near me there isn't and believe me I mean very sincerely what I said when I go around the world I see our country the UK loved respected admired because they know that we stand for certain things but it's not Northern Iowa England or Scotland whales at stairs it's the whole UK it's that branch that Union flag red white and blue that is the great global brand and by the way the biggest soft power brand across across the world with the possible exception of the United States when dry and I exempt them because they're after all a spiritual cultural and intellectual child of the of the UK of the UK of the UK of the UK be careful what I say America America the United States of America is spiritually culturally intellectually descended I think you it would be there but being a fairer way to put it from from from our our country but people people believe in us they believe in it in the UK and in the incredible in our armed services in our diplomacy in our reputation for for science for innovation a lot of which goes on here and oh I want as I said I want to champion the the Union there to answer your questions really by being not only Prime Minister at first and all of the Treasury Minister for the civil service but also Minister for the Union I would like to have a there will be a special unit in number 10 to make sure that every policy is sense and stress tested for the benefits that it will bring to the Union and I make it I want to make it absolutely clear that under no circumstances under no circumstances whatever happens will there be I will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or to attenuate our Union and that is why I so bitterly opposed the withdrawal agreement you may recall and that's why the best way forward for our country and that's why I resigned over checkers you may you may recall because it it does it's it puts it but it's a terrible moral blackmail it puts on the UK government you can't have that you can't have that approach the way to protect the Union is to come out of the EU whole and entire in the way that I am recommending solve the border issues where they belong logically in the context of the the FTA that we're going to do it's it's and and I think once they recognize in Brussels that they have a different leader in the in the UK and a totally different approach to the negotiations I think actually they're going to be rather relieved because a lot of for last three years they've faced a lot of indecision a lot of confusion about what the UK really wants and now's the time to get it right in the cabinet for the first two years of our indecision you helped run the senior officers of state and I do almost saying well nothing to do with makeup well I if you remember I was I spend a lot of the time trying to wrench the steering wheel back in the direction of common sense and we had a speech at Lancaster House in the beginning of 2017 by the p.m. which almost got us back on the right track and then it was a very very tough fight up to two checkers in in in the middle of of 2018 when it became obvious finally that we were going in completely the wrong direction and I resigned on principle and made my argument and I think we're gonna win and it will be and we will do an exit from the EU which keeps our union but allows the whole UK to take advantage of breaks in just what the gentleman said and the papers or the Telegraph reported this morning that you want to restructure government to abolish Secretary of State for Northern Ireland actually what the Telegraph said that I was being urged to do that and I have no but no they no one took the trouble to urge me in person before urged say telling The Telegraph that they were urging me to do it so some of whatever urgings were taking place they were not they were not they were not directed personally at me so I you know be a secretary of state for North certainly will I was I was like you know I I hesitate to dissent from anything that the Telegraph ever says but but I I wasn't aware of being urged near me such direction right hey Boris Philipp black I'm just wondering if you aren't out of the ie on the 34 October and what are your plans are you going to have a general election or are you gonna stand down or you know what is the back-up plan what is this defeatism you know this is what this is what this is what they keep hearing in Brussels and they keep thinking these guys aren't serious you know the law at the moment says that the UK must come out of the EU on October the 31st unless the Prime Minister of the UK unless the governor the UK asks for another extension why would we want an extension does it end of cancer who wants an extension right okay here's what a couple of people that the bell gang all right okay fair enough a couple of people want one they said I think the overwhelming majority of our party wants to get out on October the 31st and that is what we're going to do and we're going to get out in the way that I've described I think it's the most sensible approach it will enable us to to get on do a great free trade deal and take advantage of brexit at the moment you know I think the anymore can kicking anymore can kicking simply plays into the hands of our opponents and although it is true that Jeremy Corbyn is a is a very very feeble leader and there's a big difference between now and when I first came to speak to Northern Irish concerns I think we were then we were then facing Tony Blair who was coming up blistering tooth plausible crowding all over the centre ground but that's not the case with korben korben is far left and deeply implausible in his economic policies and in the recent counts elections in May he managed to go backwards he's so incompetent he lost seats that didn't happen with Blair that didn't happen with Blair but you can't guarantee that Parliament won't be successful in amending the law to stop you from leaving in October thirty-first can you well of course what I believe is that parliamentarians will want to take their responsibilities very seriously and will understand as I say that we are staring down the barrel and our country faces a choice now our politicians face a choice they can continue to hemorrhage trust they can continue to be seen as willing to undermine democracy we can lose more votes to the brexit party into the Liberal Democrats or we can take our responsibilities responsibilities seriously and in a mature way and get it over the line and I think that's what MP's are going to do now and look at the look at the vote that happened a couple of weeks ago about whether to rule out no deal actually they didn't I think people are increasingly waking up to the fact that this is existential for the Tory party and it's probably also existential for labour as well if they if they if they you know they will also lose huge amounts of support unless they get this done so I've got Dominic grieve for an hour on my radio show tonight what should I ask him well I think you should you should you should ask him whether he would what would he really prefer what would he really prefer would he prefer to come out of the EU in the way that the British people were promised on October the 31st would he prefer to be able to get on and do all sorts of fantastic conservative things wonderful one nation progressive modern conservative policies investing in infrastructure investing in education in health care and all that all the things that we care about as well as championing the private sector or would he rather unnecessarily frustrate brexit calls deepening anger and disillusionment amongst the voters and pave the way eventually for a Corbin government what does he want the chance to build a new partnership with our European friends based on free trade and all the things we're going to do together or a Corbin government that's the choice lady down there Lynn Anderson East Belfast following on from that I was going to ask a question about party unity and if you became Prime Minister what would you actually do about some of your Conservative MP colleagues who seem to have been putting personal preference above the Democratic result of the referendum and actually doing all they can it seems to me to undermine and sabotage trying to get brexit through I would love them up i-i-i-i I don't think you're applauding my old sir you were pulling the question I I would I would I would I would I would give them as much understanding and love as I possibly could and try to bring everybody together but I really think this is existential folks we either do this or we're doomed and we got to get this thing done and that applies to Dominic it applies to you know I was like campaigning this morning with yesterday morning with with with Bob Neil who do you some of you may know it takes a very different view from me but he understands a need to get this thing over the line so I don't I think we need him a mood of determination and and unity and I've just remind you that I was before you today as the candidate with more than half the parliamentary party already behind me and many more now signing up so I'm I'm very pleased by that outcome and I have dozens of remain as dozens of levers already flocking to our standards so I'm very confident and very excited so Queen's University conservative society room wise and I'm the chair I would ask for us and he talks a lot about the moderate progressive policies of the current Conservative government which which I wholly agree why does he think that fits with him going and talking to the DEP does not send the right signals when the DEP want northern arm to be treated differently in terms of social policy to the rest the well look there's a reason I'm I'm I'm a conservative and that's because I you know I'm not I'm not I believe in in our policies we should be very proud of our of our record in delivering on equalities and I believe that we've done some great things for Society in the whole of the of the UK and we should we should we should we should sticker that I've said what I've said about the DUP which is that actually I think that they have been indispensable as by by delivering that agreement on confidence in and supply in preventing our country being governed by Jeremy Corbyn in the Labor Party and and you know that's that that's the choice we face do you get frustrated that you are painted by your opponents I don't mean Jeremy Hunt but in the media in on the left of politics as some sort of right-wing populist whereas actually if you look at your record on particular social issues you were about as liberal as you can get well I know that people think I know I don't know where it all comes from it's complete hysteria and and but there you go you know people will say all sorts of extraordinary things and you just have to keep trying to to correct them I I was you know there's there's what's about was a I tell you what it's all I remember before I became mayor in in 2008 there are a whole bunch of of lefties who promised faithfully to leave the the city with all the country if I was elected mayor in the Guardian ran a whole supplement about how how awful I was and the most bigoted xenophobic person that ever stood for high office anywhere in the UK and at the end of eight years I most of them were we're working for me actually we're also person certainly supporting me and I I think I had 60 percent support more at the end than than when I came in but I remain a you know a proud free-market low tax conservative I just happen to think that our country does better when were when we send out a signal to the world that were inclusive and tolerant and generous Inara in our approach to other people and that is and that is one of the reasons why the UK economy is so so massively successful thanks very much and having moved here from Scotland delighted it's not going to start yes we did a great trip up to the Highland remember quite a few years ago and with hearing your comments about the bridge which was very positive because I'm I loved it massively put a lot of infrastructure in around Stranraer all that yeah and what needs to be done which is political will and local will how would you view the same political will and local will if there was promotion of a financial tax free zone in Belfast well that's the sort of thing we can do but only once we leave the EU mark thank you very much for your question you know we could we could do free ports we could we could it would be a massive boost to this economy but only once we we come out and we should we won't have about six of them by the way we should definitely be doing free ports and and and tax free zones they you know they have delivered around the world well I think they're about 130 countries that have them we don't because of our membership of the EU and there are plainly areas that would benefit from them why six and where would they be I'm not going to tell you whether I try to be all over the place I tried particularly in Northern Ireland good afternoon Nestle McGarrity norstein and I wanted to ask you Boris about the national crisis that is facing us all which is social care and I'm a provider of Social Care in Northern Ireland and I have seen over the last number of years the cuts and the difficulties there are in both staffing recruiting and sustaining social care and we saw I Teresa may fell on the sword of that and the dementia tax entire labour was so easily able to beat her with it at the last election what would you propose to sustain and establish a social care in the United Kingdom you you are so right I mean it's fascinating election campaigns like this is so valuable because you really start to understand what's top of people's right this is number one and we've got a sorted out because you know it affects every family in there and makes affects my family affects everyone everybody's family people are thinking how on earth am I gonna pay for you know the cost of care over over what could be a huge period of time running into tens hundreds of thousands of pounds where's that money coming from and all I can say is we we need to approach and of course the we put another 3.9 billion I think into into Social Care as as a government but we gotta recognize in the long term we need to we need to sort it out and there are no quick fixes or or easy answers we need to bring everybody together to try to take the politics out of it because as you righties pointed out it became very difficult at the last election the the two principles should be that nobody should face eviction from their home to pay for the cost of their for their social care everybody should be entitled to stay in their home and a number two everybody should be entitled to dignity and security in their old age but we need to bring the parties together to sort this out across our country ladies and gentlemen Boris Johnson well ladies and gentlemen I hope that's aided you in your decision-making process if you haven't had enough politics today do listen to me 7:00 p.m. LBC with Dominic grieve tonight thank you [Applause] you