UK Ambassador calls on Iranian government to de-escalate conflict


ARTHEL: KEVIN CORKE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ERIC. ERIC: FOX NEWS IS GETTING REACTION FROM THE IRANIAN OPPOSITION TO ALL OF THIS. PRINCE REZA, SON OF THE SHAH TELLING FOX NEWS, QUOTE, THIS IS NOT HUMAN ERROR, THIS IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. HE IRRESPONSIBLY EMPOWERED HIS THUG TO FIRE AT WILL AGAINST INNOCENTS. BEARS FULL RESPONSIBILITY. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. KHAMENEI AND HIS REGIME MUST GO. THE NATIONAL UNITY FOR DEMOCRACY IN IRAN, THEY WANT FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY FOR FRIENDLINESS WITH THE UNITED STATES AND THE WORLD. THEY DESERVE THE SPORT FROM THE UNITED STATES AND ITS GOVERNMENT IN SENATOR FOR NATIONAL LIBERTY. THE LEADER OF THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF RESISTANCE OF IRAN, ALL IRANIANS, ESPECIALLY THE YOUTH EXPRESS SUPPORT AND SOLIDARITY WITH THE FAMILIES OF VICTIMS OF THIS HORRIFIC CRIME BY THE MULLAHS. PROSECUTE, PUNISH THOSE RESPONSIBLE. ALI KHAMENEI AS COMMANDER IN THE CHIEF OF ARMED FORCES AND HUE SAWN ROUHANI AND IRG COMMANDERS.>>THEY HAVE SEEN MANY SAID DAYS SINCE 2011, BUT THIS DAY IT IS POTENTIALLY ONE OF THE SADDEST BECAUSE IT IS FIRST TIME THAT A SECURITY COUNCILMEMBER HAS CHOSEN TO PLAY POLITICS WITH HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE. ERIC: BRITISH AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED NATIONS CARE REASON PEERS DRESSING DOWN THE RUSSIANS ON SYRIA, HUMANITARIAN CATASTROPHE THAT SO SADLY CONTINUES AT HANDS OF PUTIN, ASSAD, THE IRANIANS AND GENERAL QASSEM SOLEIMANI. THIS AS THE IRANIAN PEOPLE CONTINUE TO TAKE TO THE STREETS IN ANGRY DEFIANCE OF THEIR GOVERNMENT, CALLING FOR THE REGIME TO GO. WHAT COULD HAPPEN? AMBASSADOR PIERCE JOINS US HERE IN THE STUDIO. GOOD TO SEE YOU.>>THANK YOU, ERIC. ERIC: PRETTY SHOCKING TO SEE THE PROTESTS GROWING. WE’RE TOLD THEY ARE CHANTING DEATH TO THE DICTATORS, TEARING DOWN BANNERS OF SOLEIMANI AND OTHERS. WHAT IS YOUR REACTION, YOUR GOVERNMENT’S REACTION TO WHAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN IRAN ARE DOING?>>THESE ARE POTENTIALLY INTERESTING DEVELOPMENTS. AS YOU SAY, IRANIAN PROTESTERS TAKING TO THE STREET AFTER THE DOWNING OF THE AIRLINER. I THINK IT IS TOO EARLY TO SAY WHAT IT MEANS BUT I THINK EVERYONE IS WATCHING IRAN VERY CLOSELY A THE MOMENT. I HOPE IT WILL BE ANOTHER SPUR TO THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT TO DE-ESCALATE TENSIONS, TO STOP PURSUING NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND, AS IT WERE TO COME IN FROM THE COLD. OUR FOREIGN SECRETARY, DOMINIC RAAB MADE THIS CALL TO THEM. THERE IS A WINDOW FOR DIPLOMACY NOW. WHICH HOPE IRAN WILL TAKE IT BUT ONLY IRAN CAN TAKE THAT DECISION. WE CAN’T TAKE IT FOR HER. ERIC: WHAT DO YOU LEADERS DO? DO YOU CALL FOR MEETINGS, CALL FOR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS SPECIFICALLY, WHAT DOES YOUR GOVERNMENT WANT?>>THERE ARE MANY WAYS TOTIC SAL ONE IS READY FOR TALKS. PRESIDENT TRUMP, MR. POMPEO, MY OWN GOVERNMENT, BORIS JOHNSON, DOMINIC RAAB AS WELL AS THE FRENCH, WE ALL MADE OVERTURES TO THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT SUGGESTING THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A DIPLOMATIC WINDOW THAT HAS NOW APPEARED, THAT THEY COME IN FROM THE COLD. I WOULD THINK THAT SORT OF THING IS NORMALLY DONE QUIETLY IN THE FIRST INSTANCE WITH SENIOR OFFICIALS MEETING, PRIVATELY, PERHAPS TO PREPARE A WAY FORWARD SO THAT LEADERS CAN MEET. THERE ARE MANY WAYS OF DOING IT. I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT TAKES A STEP.>>WHAT IS THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT DOING? ARE THOSE OVERTURES RECIPROCATED?>>THEY HAVE SENT A VARIETY OF MESSAGES BUT THE MESSAGES TEND TO BE VERY IN THE MOMENT, VERY TRANSACTIONAL. THEY HAVE NOT AS FAR AS I KNOW ACCEPTED U.S., FRENCH, OR BRITISH OFFERS. WE REALLY WOULD URGE THEM TO DO SO. WE THINK WHAT THEIR OWN PEOPLE THINK OF THE CURRENT SITUATION. NOW IS A VERY GOOD TIME TO DE-ESCALATE TENSIONS. STATEMENT, OF COURSE, WE MUS’NT TAKE OUR EYE OFF THE NUCLEAR WE. WE REALLY DON’T WANT IRAN TO ACQUIRE A NUCLEAR WEAPON. ERIC: OF COURSE THE PAST FEW MONTHS THEY HAD PROTESTS AND THE IRANIAN REGIME KILLED 1500 OF THE PROTESTERS. DIDN’T ALLOW THE FAMILIES TO MOURN THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT WERE KILLED. THE PRESIDENT TWEETED OUT ASKING IRANIAN GOVERNMENT NOT TO KILL THE PROTESTERS. DOES YOUR GOVERNMENT AGREE?>>WE ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THAT. PEOPLE HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY, FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION. THAT INCLUDES THE RIGHT TO PEACEFUL PROTEST. SOMETIMES THOSE RESULTS HAVE A VARIETY OF MOTIVATIONS BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO LISTEN TO ITS PEOPLE. IT NEEDS TO DE-ESCALATE THE CURRENT SITUATION. THAT IS IN THEIR HANDS. WE MADE OUR OFFER. ERIC: ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES, THE BRITISH AMBASSADOR TO IRAN, ROBERT KERRY, HE GOES TO THE VIGIL, GOES TO THE VIGIL FOR 15 MINUTES, HE LEAVES AND THEY ARREST HIM.>>AS WE SAID, AS DOMINIC RAAB SAID THAT IS A FLAGRANT VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW. THERE IS THE A CONVENTION, VIENNA CONVENTION ON DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS. IT GOVERNS WHAT HAPPENS TO DIPLOMATS ABROAD IN COUNTRIES SO THEY CAN GO ABOUT THEIR DUTIES IN SAFETY AND SECURITY. REPRESENTING THEIR GOVERNMENT. THAT IS WHAT AMBASSADOR McNAIR WAS DOING. HE WENT TO PAY HIS RESPECTS AT THE VIGIL. IT WAS IN HONOR OF THE IRANIAN STUDENTS WHO LOST THEIR LIVES ON THE AIRLINER. QUITE NATURAL HE SHOULD GO ESPECIALLY SINCE BRITISH PEOPLE WERE KILLED AS WELL. HE THEN LEFT THAT GATHERING, WHEN IT STARTED TO TURN INTO MORE OF A PROTEST. HE WENT INNOCENTLY OFF TO HAVE HIS HER CUT. THEN THE IRANIANS ARRESTED HIM, BUT HE IS OKAY.>>HE IS NOW OKAY, EVENTUALLY AND RELEASED AND WE TALKED TO THE IRANIANS ABOUT THIS BREACH OF INTERNATIONAL LAW. ERIC: QASSEM SOLEIMANI WAS SO-CALLED TERRORIST MASTERMIND OF THE HORRENDOUS CATASTROPHE THAT IS THERE. YOU DEALT WITH IT IN THE SECURITY COUNCIL AND IT STILL HASN’T ENDED RUSSIANS BLOCKED HUMANITARIAN AID.>>WHAT HAPPENED ON FRIDAY THE RUSSIANS HELD SECURITY COUNCIL TO RANSOM AND PEOPLE OF NORTHEAST SYRIA TO RAN SOME THEY REFUSED TO ALLOW U.N. TO SEND AID THROUGH WHAT ARE CALLED CROSS-BORDER CROSSINGS, GO INTO SYRIA FROM TURKEY, SYRIA, AND OTHER COUNTRIES WITHOUT THE SYRIAN GOVERNMENT PERMISSION AND THE REASON THAT IS NEEDED BECAUSE THE SYRIAN GOVERNMENT WILL NOT ALLOW ASSISTANCE TO REACH ALL THE COMMUNITIES MOST IN NEED. IT WASN’T JUST GENERAL SOLEIMANI WHO WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN SYRIA. I DO WANT AGAIN TO CALL OUT THE RUSSIANS BUT ALSO THE SYRIAN GOVERNMENT THEMSELVES. GOVERNMENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AFTER THEIR PEOPLE AND YET THE SYRIAN GOVERNMENT WON’T ISSUE PERMITS FOR AID. THEY WON’T HELP GET THE AID TO PEOPLE MOST IN NEED. ERIC: FINALLY DO YOU FEEL WITH THE DYNAMICS PERHAPS CHANGING THAT THE SYRIA ISSUE AND THE TURMOIL WILL BE REDUCED?>>OH, THAT IS, THAT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION. I MEAN, WE HAD SOME FOOTAGE EARLIER OF THE SAD DEATH OF SULTAN KABUTZ. HE HAD BEEN A STRONG MODERATING FORCE IN THE GULF. HE HAS WIDE ADVICE FOR LEADERS. HE TRIED TO KEEP A PRODUCTIVE WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL SIDES. I THINK IT IS GOOD NEWS HIS SUCCESS ARE SORE PLEDGED TO CONTINUE HIS FOREIGN POLICY WE IN BRITAIN HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OMAN FOR 200 YEARS. WE’LL BE IN CLOSE TOUCH WITH THEM, HELPING THEM KEEP REGIONAL STABILITY GOING. ERIC: I KNOW BOTH SIDES, BOTH GOVERNMENTS WILL LOOK AND WATCHING OUT, TO MAKE SURE PROTESTS ARE PROTECTED.>>ABSOLUTELY. ERIC: AND THE REGIME DOES NOT RESORT WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN

NATO Secretary General press point following North Atlantic Council meeting, 06 JAN 2020


Good afternoon. I have just chaired a meeting of the North
Atlantic Council. We addressed current tensions in the Middle
East, and implications for NATO’s training mission in Iraq. NATO and all NATO Allies take part in the
Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS. And NATO’s mission in Iraq is an important
contribution to the Coalition’s effort. At the invitation of the Iraqi government,
we are helping to train forces and prevent the return of ISIS. At our meeting today, Allies expressed their
strong support for the fight against ISIS and for the NATO mission in Iraq. In everything that we do, the safety of our
personnel is paramount. As such, we have for the time being suspended
our training on the ground. And we are taking all precautions necessary
to protect our people. We are keeping the situation under close review. And we remain in close contact with the Iraqi
authorities. NATO is prepared to continue our training
and capacity-building when the situation permits. We remain strongly committed to the fight
against international terrorism. At our meeting today, the United States also
briefed on the regional situation, following recent attacks on coalition forces in Iraq,
and the strike against General Soleimani. For years, all Allies have expressed concern
about Iran’s destabilising activities in the wider Middle East region. We agree Iran must never acquire a nuclear
weapon. We share concern about Iran’s missile tests. And we are united in condemning Iran’s support
for a variety of different terrorist groups. We have recently seen an escalation by Iran,
including the strike on a Saudi energy facility, and the shoot-down of an American drone. At our meeting today, Allies called for restraint
and de-escalation. A new conflict would be in no-one’s interest. So Iran must refrain from further violence
and provocations. With that, I am ready to take your questions. Yes please. Sorry, okay, Teri. Well, thank you, that’s what you meant,
right? Yeah. Thanks, Piers. Mr Secretary General, were any of the Allies
specifically mentioning that they would like restraint on the part of the United States
as well? And when the Iraqi Parliament says that it
is going to kick out all foreign forces, if that should come to pass, does that mean . . . do
you believe that the 500 or so NATO personnel would be leaving, or would you ask for a special
dispensation to stay in Iraq? Thank you. At the meeting today, Allies expressed very
strong support for the NATO Training Mission in Iraq, because the training mission in Iraq
is an important part of the efforts of the Global Coalition to defeat Daesh and to make
sure that Daesh or ISIS is not able to return. One of the best weapons we have in the fight
against international terrorism is to train local forces, build local capacity, and that’s
exactly what the Coalition is doing and what NATO is doing through our training mission
in Iraq. We are there by invitation from the Iraqi
authorities. We have suspended our training mission now,
because of the security situation on the ground. But we are ready to restart the training when
the situation on the ground makes that possible. We are in close contact with the Iraqi authorities,
with the Iraqi government. I visited Iraq some weeks ago, or last fall. And then the Iraqi authorities and the Iraqi
Prime Minister stressed the importance of NATO’s support. NATO support, Coalition support to the Iraqi
security forces is important for Iraq, but it is also important for us, because when
we train them, help them in fighting ISIS and international terrorism, we’re also
making our own countries more safe and secure. I will not speculate more than we will continue
to . . . to work closely to . . . have close dialogue with the Iraqi government. And I strongly believe that the NATO Training
Mission is good for both Iraq and for NATO Allies. And we are there by invitation of the Iraqi
government. What was also clearly expressed at the meeting
today was a call for restraint and de-escalation. All Allies have, several times, expressed
their concerns about Iran’s destabilising activities in the region, including Iran’s
support for different terrorist groups. And, of course, all Allies agree that Iran
should never be able to develop nuclear weapons. We have also expressed again and again our
concerns about Iran’s missile programme: missiles which are able to reach, also, many
European Allied countries. Now, TV 2, sorry, just behind Teri. Should Iran retaliate in a way that makes
the United States trigger Article 5? What would NATO’s response be then? I think the important thing now is to really
try to de-escalate and to avoid further increase . . . increased tensions in the region. And I think that if I start to speculate on
how we will react, this will not help to de-escalate, it will actually do the opposite. So we call on . . . on responsible behaviour. We believe in the importance of de-escalation
and restraint. And that was a clear message from all Allies
in the meeting today. I will not speculate, because that will actually
contribute to the opposite. That will only increase tensions. Philip from NRK? Philip Lote, NRK, Norwegian Broadcasting. Was the criticism of the US by European Allies
. . . Allies during the meeting relating to the assassination of General Soleimani, and
what is your view, General Secretary of the killing of General Soleimani? The meeting we had today was actually a meeting
where we saw a very strong unity from all Allies on the importance of standing together
in the fight against international terrorism, on the importance of the NATO Training Mission
in Iraq, on the importance of the training activities and the efforts of the Global Coalition
to Defeat ISIS. All NATO Allies and NATO are part of the Global
Coalition. And NATO contributes to the Global Coalition
in different ways, including with our troops in Iraq. Again, NATO Allies are very concerned about
Iran’s activities in the region. And the NATO Allies condemned, and have condemned
many times, attacks on Coalition forces by Iran and supported groups. And that criticism, that position, was reiterated
by many Allies in the meeting today. Did you understand the assassination of Soleimani,
General Soleimani? This is a US decision. It is not a decision taken by either the Global
Coalition nor NATO. But all Allies are concerned about Iran’s
destabilising activities in the region, Iran’s support to different terrorist groups. And of course, we are extremely concerned
about the recent attacks we have seen against civilian energy infrastructure in Saudi Arabia,
or against Coalition bases in Iraq – bases which are important for our efforts to fight
international terrorism in Iraq and in Syria. Time for one more. Michael from DPA. Hi, it’s Michael with German News Agency. You just said, Mr Sec Gen that the US briefed
on the airstrike against Soleimani. The US justified this killing by saying that
Soleimani developed plans to attack American diplomats. Did they show . . . did the US show some evidence
on that today? The US provided the rationale behind the action
against General Soleimani. And we had several briefers from the United
States, from the State and from Pentagon and they briefed and explained to other Allies
why they took this action against General Soleimani. I will not go into the details of that briefing. I will leave that to the United States. But we value and appreciate the briefings
provided by the United States. I think this provides, or once again shows
that NATO is a platform where European Allies, North American Allies, are able to come together
and address security concerns for all of us. That’s all we have time for. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you.

Bernie IS Biden’s BIGGEST Threat


>>Bernie Sanders has not only been rising
in the polls, but if you look at some of the early states, like Iowa and New Hampshire,
he is performing incredibly well. In fact, he’s tied with Biden in some of these
polls. Now, the establishment-minded folks, first,
pretended like they were ignoring Bernie, didn’t take him seriously. But now considering the fact that he’s outraised
all of his opponents in the Democratic side, obviously, and he has the most small dollar
donors than anyone else on the Democratic side. Establishment Democrats are starting to panic
and that is noted in various pieces, but I’m gonna focus on the Associated Press and Politico. Now the Associated Press reported, establish
reminded Democrats are warning primary voters that the self-described democratic socialist
would struggle to defeat President Donald Trump and hurt the party’s chances in premier
house, Senate and governors’ races. Less than a month before Iowa’s kickoff caucuses,
the doubters are being forced to take Sanders seriously. So they obviously should have taken him seriously
from day one, they should have taken him seriously since the 2016 election when he was able to
close this massive gap between himself and Hillary Clinton. He was an unknown politician from Vermont. But it was his policies, it was his vision
that inspired voters to rethink what could be in this country, right? And so if they don’t want to take him seriously
that’s on them. But what I’m more concerned about is now that
they do take him seriously what kind of games are they gonna play to try to crush him? And he’s been incredibly resilient so far. I have a lot of faith in him. However, I also know that the corporate arm
of the Democratic Party is rather vicious and will stop at nothing to smear someone.>>The frustrating thing, we’ve seen over
the past couple weeks all these articles where they look at as polling, and they say, my
god, he’s actually, he’s performing pretty well. They look at the general election polling
showing him doing well, especially in some of the states that Hillary Clinton lost against
head to head against Donald Trump. You can’t look at his fundraising and not
be impressed by that. But they’ve only moved so far they’ve moved
far enough to, hey, Joe Biden or whoever’s that’s more, in their lane, you need to be
worried about this, but not to. And maybe that means something. Maybe the fact that Sanders is doing so well
actually represents something about the potential Democratic voters in a general election. Maybe it says something about, man, if we
really wanna beat Trump, maybe this is the guy to get behind.>>Yeah.>>They can acknowledge all these factors,
but they can’t acknowledge what it represents, all they can see is that it’s an obstacle
to Joe Biden.>>Absolutely, look, they recognize that there
is something that really resonates with Democratic voters and independent voters by the way. The only problem is what he represents conflicts
with what their donors want. And I think that’s the main reason why they
push back against him so aggressively. Every argument that you’ve heard from establishment
Democrats against Bernie Sanders is easily debunkable, right? And oftentimes doesn’t even make any sense. Their argument is, he’s so to the left that
he would have no chance in the general even though after the 2016 election, polling indicated
that he was the most popular politician in the country, okay? And there are Trump supporters who said they
would’ve voted for Bernie Sanders. So they ran Hillary Clinton. She lost to Donald Trump. What makes them think that this time around
someone who is arguably worse than Hillary Clinton, I mean, look at Joe Biden and hit
not only his record, but what he’s running on today. What he’s running on today is, I’m doing nothing
for you. I’m not gonna change anything. Right, anyone who dares to question him about
that, he responds in a combative angry way.>>Yeah, that you like your corn pop, won’t
come down, Joe.>>Right, exactly. And so what makes them think that he’s a more
viable candidate as opposed to Bernie Sanders. The truth is they don’t even believe that,
what they got they need to appease their donors. And that’s really at the heart of this. So let me give you more. And it goes beyond donors as well. I mean, they’re thinking about their own careers,
their own ambitions, and are they likely to get positions in Bernie Sanders administration?>>Change the tune fast, maybe.>>Let me just tell you, Neera Tanden is not
gonna be in Bernie Sanders administration. And she’s still real salty that Hillary Clinton
lost because she lost out on a cushy job in the White House, which is a great thing. So let’s move on to some of the specific statements,
okay. Phil Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel jumped in
on this and said, you need a candidate with a message that can help us win swing voters
and about battleground states. The degree of difficulty dramatically increases
under Bernie Sanders candidacy. It just gets a lot harder.>>No specifics, how? Why does it get harder? If he is able to outraise all of the other
Democrats, all the other Democrats with small dollar donations? He has more individual donors. He’s not funded by super PACs. He doesn’t average donation is $18. He’s outraise every single one of them. So what makes you think that he doesn’t have
a shot at beating Trump?>>They don’t have to say, unfortunately. I think it was the Washington Post. Everybody’s passing around that, I’m a Republican
and I think Democrats should give me someone I’m comfortable voting for, that op-ed that
just came out, and a lot of people read that headline. They’re like, who is that for? It’s around the manual. It’s for someone who actually still believes
that that strategy would work. Yes, to get swing voters you need a centrist,
like Hillary Clinton because it worked. It worked really well in 2016
>>Yeah, it’s ridiculous. No one believes this. No one believes the arguments that they’re
made>>By the way, and he worked for Obama. Obama was the guy who was trying to present
himself as far more left than he was. And Obama won in states that Hillary was incapable
of. So even on his face, even if he believes that
secretly you should campaign as a leftist, but then actually rule as a centrist. He can’t pretend that he doesn’t understand
the appeal of running a left campaign. Because he’s seen it work in practice.>>100%, exactly. I mean, Obama certainly presented himself
as a bold progressive. Now part of the problem was he didn’t have
much of a record as a Senator. The people could refer to see if he was telling
the truth. And look, 2008 was very different. People were desperate to get rid of Bush and
Bush era like policies. And so John McCain wasn’t a likable candidate
at that time and people took a chance and really believed Obama’s messaging. But now, I just think the electorate is different
and they’re looking for records, they’re looking for evidence, they’re looking for receipts,
and they want detailed policies.>>Yeah.>>So let me give you more. I’m gonna skip ahead and talk a little bit
about what these Sanders critics originally thought with Elizabeth Warren in the race. And I love this part of the story because
it was exactly what we predicted, right? Cenk and I talked about this a lot on the
show. Several Sander’s critics noted that he has
largely escaped intense scrutiny throughout the campaign. We all know that’s untrue. In part, because some assumed that Massachusetts
Senator Elizabeth Warren, another progressive Firebrand, was a stronger candidate who would
cannibalize his support. With Warren’s candidacy struggling to maintain
momentum, however, those assumptions are now being questioned. So they were really relying on Elizabeth Warren
to destroy any chance of Bernie Sanders becoming the nominee. But that didn’t work because unfortunately
Elizabeth Warren, kind of back pedaled on some of her progressive policy proposals,
specifically Medicare for all, I think that really tanked her campaign. So maybe don’t listen to the centrist advising
you and your campaign because I think the party, meaning the voters, have moved to the
left.>>Yeah, and I don’t think they predicted,
first of all, how many people would be in the primary. But of those people, how that would then shake
out in terms of who’s taking who’s support. It’s pretty easy to show that there’s at least
some overlap between Warren and Sanders. But there’s definitely overlap between Biden
and some of these other candidates, Buttigieg and things like that. And probably a little bit Warren, too. If she does back off some of the bigger, bolder,
progressive plans, then she’s not gonna lose the more centrist of her supporters, she’s
gonna drop some people that may go back to Bernie. But she’ll still hold on to the people who
are probably more likely to vote for Biden if she weren’t there.>>Yeah, you’re absolutely right about that. I think that’s what happened already.>>Yeah.>>To some extent.>>And really fast.>>Yeah.>>I will say, this sort of candidate arithmetic
is very difficult to do. If you actually look at who second choice
is. One of the most mind-blowing things that’s
been consistent throughout the last year is that generally, like Bernie Sanders and Joe
Biden, people generally think of the other candidate as their second choice. I know it doesn’t make any sense to people
who pay attention hardcore to the news, but a lot of people who like Joe Biden also kind
of like Bernie Sanders and vice versa.>>Yeah, it is kind of incredible.>>It’s weird. Just take it up with the polls.>>There was this conversation that I heard
on Michael Brooks’ show, this is months and months ago. But it was such a good point that I think
we often forget, especially as people who work in the news and we eat this stuff up
every day. Look, most Americans who aren’t like hyper
aware and paying like super close attention to politics and everything that’s happening. If you give them a survey on various political
issues, it’s really like a hodgepodge of all sorts of different things that are inconsistent,
right? And so you can’t think that all voters are
consistent on all issues. People have different life experiences, different
preferences, different worldviews. And so, I mean, look, it might not make a
lot of sense to us, but people have different opinions on various policies, so I could see
how someone might like Bernie Sanders and then also later support Biden, vice versa. I don’t get it, but-
>>Yeah.>>People are not necessarily super consistent
on the issues. And I wanted to read a quick comment from
our member’s section. Lib says, it’s class warfare, period. I think you’re commenting in regard to this
story and I think you’re right, right? This is about an economic message that resonates
across party lines. That’s the thing about Bernie Sanders that
I think is incredibly powerful. He talks about how this economy is rigged. He talks about the frustrations and the anxieties
of Americans. And we feel it. We feel it every day, even if you have a stable
job and you’re not too worried about where you’re gonna end up at the moment. We see it around us. We see people living on the streets and increase
number of homeless people. We see people who are dying. Hundreds of thousands of people have already
died as a result of the opioid epidemic. Even in my neighborhood, I see people shooting
up heroin. And the homelessness problem is series like
we see poverty all around us and those economic anxieties are real. And while the Robin manuals of the world are
not worried about those things because there are, sitting up on their ivory towers and
they’re not concerned about all this stuff. The vast majority of Americans are and when
they hear a politician in a very intelligent and digestible way explain what’s happening
economically to them and how we can fix it. It’s powerful. It’s much more powerful than Biden getting
angry because someone’s asking him a hard question that he doesn’t like.