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>>>IF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION>>>IF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY, ACCORDING TO WERE HELD TODAY, ACCORDING TO BRAND NEW STATE-BY-STATE POLLING BRAND NEW STATE-BY-STATE POLLING OF TRUMP’S JOB APPROVAL, HE OF TRUMP’S JOB APPROVAL, HE COULD LOSE THE ELECTION BY 300 COULD LOSE THE ELECTION BY 300 ELECTORAL VOTES. ELECTORAL VOTES. THAT’S A CALCULATION FROM “NEW THAT’S A CALCULATION FROM “NEW YORK” MAGAZINE EXTRAPOLATING YORK” MAGAZINE EXTRAPOLATING FROM THE LATEST DATA OF THE FROM THE LATEST DATA OF THE ONLINE POLLING GROUP CIVICS. ONLINE POLLING GROUP CIVICS. 419 ELECTORAL VOTES TO THE 419 ELECTORAL VOTES TO THE DEMOCRATS, STILL TO BE DEMOCRATS, STILL TO BE DETERMINED. DETERMINED. 119 ELECTORAL VOTES TO THE 119 ELECTORAL VOTES TO THE REPUBLICAN, DONALD TRUMP. REPUBLICAN, DONALD TRUMP. FOR MORE ON THAT AND THE 2020 FOR MORE ON THAT AND THE 2020 RACE, I’M JOINED BY THE SENIOR RACE, I’M JOINED BY THE SENIOR ELECTIONS ANALYST AT REAL CLEAR ELECTIONS ANALYST AT REAL CLEAR POLITICS. POLITICS. WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU. WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. SHAWN, FIRST OF ALL, JUST SHAWN, FIRST OF ALL, JUST INTERPRET THAT FOR ME. INTERPRET THAT FOR ME. THAT IS A POLL ABOUT DONALD THAT IS A POLL ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S APPROVAL RATING TRUMP’S APPROVAL RATING EXTRAPOLATED INTO IF MORE PEOPLE EXTRAPOLATED INTO IF MORE PEOPLE IN THE STATE DON’T LIKE DONALD IN THE STATE DON’T LIKE DONALD TRUMP THAN DO, HE MAY NOT WIN TRUMP THAN DO, HE MAY NOT WIN THAT STATE’S ELECTORAL COLLEGE THAT STATE’S ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES. VOTES. THEY PILED THAT ALTOGETHER AND THEY PILED THAT ALTOGETHER AND CAME OUT WITH THAT RESULT. CAME OUT WITH THAT RESULT. AS A POLLSTER, WHAT DO YOU AS A POLLSTER, WHAT DO YOU THINK? THINK?>>YOU KNOW, I THINK IT’S A>>YOU KNOW, I THINK IT’S A USEFUL KIND OF RULE OF THUMB USEFUL KIND OF RULE OF THUMB WHERE THINGS STAND. WHERE THINGS STAND. I THINK WE ALL KNOW THE I THINK WE ALL KNOW THE PRESIDENT’S JOB APPROVAL IS NOT PRESIDENT’S JOB APPROVAL IS NOT STRONG AND THAT THAT’S GOING TO STRONG AND THAT THAT’S GOING TO TRANSLATE TO A DIFFICULT TRANSLATE TO A DIFFICULT ELECTION FOR HIM. ELECTION FOR HIM. THE PROBLEM IS WHEN WE ACTUALLY THE PROBLEM IS WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET TO THE ELECTION, IT’S NOT GET TO THE ELECTION, IT’S NOT GOING TO BE JUST ANY DEMOCRAT GOING TO BE JUST ANY DEMOCRAT WHO’S RUNNING AGAINST HIM, IT’S WHO’S RUNNING AGAINST HIM, IT’S GOING TO BE A DEMOCRAT WITH REAL GOING TO BE A DEMOCRAT WITH REAL POLICIES, SOME OF WHICH WILL BE POLICIES, SOME OF WHICH WILL BE POPULAR, SOME OF WHICH WILL BE POPULAR, SOME OF WHICH WILL BE LESS SO. LESS SO. THAT’S GOING TO SHAPE THE THAT’S GOING TO SHAPE THE DIRECTION OF THE 2020 ELECTION. DIRECTION OF THE 2020 ELECTION.>>SO THAT’S AN IMPORTANT POINT,>>SO THAT’S AN IMPORTANT POINT, THAT THE PRESIDENT OR DONALD THAT THE PRESIDENT OR DONALD TRUMP CAN BE UNDERWATER IN TERMS TRUMP CAN BE UNDERWATER IN TERMS OF POPULARITY OR MORE PEOPLE CAN OF POPULARITY OR MORE PEOPLE CAN THINK HE’S POPUNPOPULAR THAN THINK HE’S POPUNPOPULAR THAN POPULAR BUT IT’S RELATIVE TO WHO POPULAR BUT IT’S RELATIVE TO WHO HE’S RUNNING AGAINST. HE’S RUNNING AGAINST.>>YEAH, AND WE SAW THAT VERY>>YEAH, AND WE SAW THAT VERY CLEARLY IN 2016 WHEN YOU SAW TWO CLEARLY IN 2016 WHEN YOU SAW TWO CANDIDATES WHO WERE UNPOPULAR CANDIDATES WHO WERE UNPOPULAR AND VOTERS WERE HAVING TO MAKE AND VOTERS WERE HAVING TO MAKE THE CHOICE OF THE LESSER OF TWO THE CHOICE OF THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS. EVILS. I THINK THERE’S A CONSTITUTIONAL I THINK THERE’S A CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT THAT SOMEBODY POINTS REQUIREMENT THAT SOMEBODY POINTS THIS OUT BUT THE POLLS AREN’T THIS OUT BUT THE POLLS AREN’T PREDICTIVE YET BECAUSE WE DON’T PREDICTIVE YET BECAUSE WE DON’T KNOW WHO THE CANDIDATE IS AND KNOW WHO THE CANDIDATE IS AND THERE’S STILL SO MUCH LEFT TO THERE’S STILL SO MUCH LEFT TO HAPPEN IN THIS CAMPAIGN. HAPPEN IN THIS CAMPAIGN.>>SEAN, THERE IS A POLL FROM>>SEAN, THERE IS A POLL FROM REAL CLEAR POLITICS THAT TALKS REAL CLEAR POLITICS THAT TALKS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S APPROVAL ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S APPROVAL RATINGS. RATINGS. INSOFAR AS THESE NUMBERS INSOFAR AS THESE NUMBERS INDICATE, THEY’RE IN LINE WITH INDICATE, THEY’RE IN LINE WITH THE POLLING THAT “NEW YORK” THE POLLING THAT “NEW YORK” MAGAZINE USED. MAGAZINE USED. 43% APPROVE, 53% DISAPPROVE. 43% APPROVE, 53% DISAPPROVE. THERE’S NOT A TON OF MOVEMENT IN THERE’S NOT A TON OF MOVEMENT IN THESE NUMBERS. THESE NUMBERS.>>NO.>>NO. THE PRESIDENT’S JOB APPROVAL IS THE PRESIDENT’S JOB APPROVAL IS REMARKABLY CONSISTENT OVER THE REMARKABLY CONSISTENT OVER THE LAST ALMOST YEAR AT THIS POINT. LAST ALMOST YEAR AT THIS POINT. SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 42%, 41% ON SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 42%, 41% ON THE LOW END. THE LOW END. SOMETIMES IT GETS UP TO 45%. SOMETIMES IT GETS UP TO 45%. LOOK, IF IT STAYS IN THAT BAND, LOOK, IF IT STAYS IN THAT BAND, HE’S GOING TO HAVE A VERY, VERY HE’S GOING TO HAVE A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TIME WINNING DIFFICULT TIME WINNING RE-ELECTION, THERE’S NO DOUBT RE-ELECTION, THERE’S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. ABOUT THAT.>>THERE ARE SOME PLACES,>>THERE ARE SOME PLACES, THOUGH, ARIEL, THAT YOU WOULDN’T THOUGH, ARIEL, THAT YOU WOULDN’T THINK A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT THINK A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE A TOUGH TIME WINNING WOULD HAVE A TOUGH TIME WINNING RE-ELECTION BUT TEXAS COMES UP RE-ELECTION BUT TEXAS COMES UP TO COME UP AS A TOPIC, A STATE TO COME UP AS A TOPIC, A STATE THAT IS IN PLAY. THAT IS IN PLAY. POLITICO WRITES WROEGT FROM WILL POLITICO WRITES WROEGT FROM WILL HURD, IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN HURD, IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN TEXAS DOESN’T START LOOKING LIKE TEXAS DOESN’T START LOOKING LIKE TEXAS, THERE WON’T BE A TEXAS, THERE WON’T BE A REPUBLICAN PARTY IN TEXAS, SAID REPUBLICAN PARTY IN TEXAS, SAID RETIRING CONGRESSMAN WILL HURD. RETIRING CONGRESSMAN WILL HURD. LAST CYCLE WAS WITHOUT A DOUBT A LAST CYCLE WAS WITHOUT A DOUBT A WAKE-UP CALL TO MOST ELECTED WAKE-UP CALL TO MOST ELECTED OFFICIALS. OFFICIALS. TEXAS IS INDEED PURPLE. TEXAS IS INDEED PURPLE. DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGE IS LEADING A DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGE IS LEADING A LOT OF THAT. LOT OF THAT. THAT’S NOT JUST DONALD TRUMP’S THAT’S NOT JUST DONALD TRUMP’S UNPOPULARITY. UNPOPULARITY.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. AND I MEAN I THINK TEXAS IS ONE AND I MEAN I THINK TEXAS IS ONE OF THOSE STATES THAT’S SO OF THOSE STATES THAT’S SO HEAVILY SYMBOLIC THAT THERE’S HEAVILY SYMBOLIC THAT THERE’S ALWAYS A LOT OF ATTENTION TO ALWAYS A LOT OF ATTENTION TO WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO BE THE WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO BE THE CYCLE THAT IT FINALLY FLIPS. CYCLE THAT IT FINALLY FLIPS. BUT THE FACT THAT WE’RE TALKING BUT THE FACT THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THAT DOES MEAN SOMETHING. ABOUT THAT DOES MEAN SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, DEMOGRAPHICS ALWAYS YOU KNOW, DEMOGRAPHICS ALWAYS SORT OF TEND TO LAG AT THE SORT OF TEND TO LAG AT THE BALLOT BOX BEHIND WHAT’S BALLOT BOX BEHIND WHAT’S ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN THE ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN THE STATES, BUT WE’LL SEE WHETHER STATES, BUT WE’LL SEE WHETHER THAT CAN ACTUALLY CATCH UP THIS THAT CAN ACTUALLY CATCH UP THIS TIME AROUND. TIME AROUND.>>SEAN, THE DEMOCRATS HAVE PUT>>SEAN, THE DEMOCRATS HAVE PUT IN POLLING AND FUND-RAISING IN POLLING AND FUND-RAISING GOALS TO ENSURE THEY DON’T HAVE GOALS TO ENSURE THEY DON’T HAVE 25 PEOPLE ON A STAGE AT THE NEXT 25 PEOPLE ON A STAGE AT THE NEXT DEBATE. DEBATE. ABOUT NINE PEOPLE I THINK HAVE ABOUT NINE PEOPLE I THINK HAVE QUALIFIED SO FAR. QUALIFIED SO FAR. IN TERMS OF THE FUND-RAISING IN TERMS OF THE FUND-RAISING PART OF IT, THE NUMBER OF PART OF IT, THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUAL DOERPNORS, AND THAT INDIVIDUAL DOERPNORS, AND THAT MEANS THEY CAN GIVE ANY AMOUNT MEANS THEY CAN GIVE ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY, TOM STEYER HAS OF MONEY, TOM STEYER HAS QUALIFIED ON THAT FRONT. QUALIFIED ON THAT FRONT. HE STILL NEEDS ONE MORE POLL IN HE STILL NEEDS ONE MORE POLL IN WHICH HE’S ABOVE 2% IN ORDER TO WHICH HE’S ABOVE 2% IN ORDER TO QUALIFY. QUALIFY. THAT HAS LED TO A LOT OF THAT HAS LED TO A LOT OF CRITICISM THAT THESE DNC RULES CRITICISM THAT THESE DNC RULES ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DONORS ARE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DONORS ARE OUT OF STEP WITH POLLING AND OUT OF STEP WITH POLLING AND ALLOW A GUY AS RICH AS TOM ALLOW A GUY AS RICH AS TOM STEYER TO SOME EXTENT TO BUY HIS STEYER TO SOME EXTENT TO BUY HIS WAY. WAY. STEVE BULLOCK SAID TO BUY HIS STEVE BULLOCK SAID TO BUY HIS WAY ONTO THE DEBATE STAGE. WAY ONTO THE DEBATE STAGE.>>WELL, I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW>>WELL, I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW SOMEONE LIKE GOVERNOR BULLOCK OR SOMEONE LIKE GOVERNOR BULLOCK OR SENATOR GILLIBRAND OR SOME OF SENATOR GILLIBRAND OR SOME OF THESE CANDIDATES WHO HAVE BEEN THESE CANDIDATES WHO HAVE BEEN IN AND ARE STRUGGLING TO MAKE IN AND ARE STRUGGLING TO MAKE THE STAGE COULD BE FRUSTRATED. THE STAGE COULD BE FRUSTRATED. BUT LOOK, STEYER, THE ONLY WAY BUT LOOK, STEYER, THE ONLY WAY HE CAN MAKE THAT STAGE IS IF HE HE CAN MAKE THAT STAGE IS IF HE CONVINCES 130,000 PEOPLE TO GIVE CONVINCES 130,000 PEOPLE TO GIVE HIM A DOLLAR. HIM A DOLLAR. AND IF HE GETS SOME LEVEL OF AND IF HE GETS SOME LEVEL OF SUPPORT IN THE POLLS. SUPPORT IN THE POLLS. THAT’S WHAT THESE CUTOFFS ARE THAT’S WHAT THESE CUTOFFS ARE MEANT TO DO. MEANT TO DO. IT’S MEANT TO ASSURE THAT THIS IT’S MEANT TO ASSURE THAT THIS LATE IN THE GAME THERE’S AT LATE IN THE GAME THERE’S AT LEAST SOME LEVEL OF SUPPORT FOR LEAST SOME LEVEL OF SUPPORT FOR THE CANDIDATES. THE CANDIDATES. I THINK WHEN WE GET TO NOVEMBER I THINK WHEN WE GET TO NOVEMBER STEYER WILL HAVE A MUCH TOUGHER STEYER WILL HAVE A MUCH TOUGHER TIME MAKING THAT CUTOFF. TIME MAKING THAT CUTOFF.>>AND THEY CAN INCREASE THE>>AND THEY CAN INCREASE THE POLLING REQUIREMENT, BUT IS POLLING REQUIREMENT, BUT IS THERE SOME ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THERE SOME ARGUMENT TO BE MADE FOR THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE FOR THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF OF TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DONORS RESULTING IN CANDIDATES DONORS RESULTING IN CANDIDATES SPENDING FAR MORE THAN A DOLLAR SPENDING FAR MORE THAN A DOLLAR TO GET A DOLLAR FROM A DONOR? TO GET A DOLLAR FROM A DONOR?>>YEAH, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE>>YEAH, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE CREATED A SET OF INCENTIVES CREATED A SET OF INCENTIVES WHERE THAT’S WHAT CANDIDATES ARE WHERE THAT’S WHAT CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON IF THOSE ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON IF THOSE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS. THE REQUIREMENTS. LOOK, I DON’T KNOW IF THERE’S LOOK, I DON’T KNOW IF THERE’S ANY PARTICULAR PERFECT WAY TO ANY PARTICULAR PERFECT WAY TO MAKE THE CUTOFF, BUT EVENTUALLY MAKE THE CUTOFF, BUT EVENTUALLY THIS FIELD WILL HAVE TO START THIS FIELD WILL HAVE TO START WINNOWING DOWN AND VOTERS WILL WINNOWING DOWN AND VOTERS WILL HAVE TO FOCUS ON A COUPLE OF HAVE TO FOCUS ON A COUPLE OF REALISTIC OPTIONS. REALISTIC OPTIONS.>>SEAN, LET’S TALK ABOUT WHITE>>SEAN, LET’S TALK ABOUT WHITE NATIONALISM AND THE ROLE THAT’S NATIONALISM AND THE ROLE THAT’S GOING TO PLAY. GOING TO PLAY. PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHT IT’S A PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHT IT’S A THREAT FOR A LONG TIME BUT IT’S THREAT FOR A LONG TIME BUT IT’S POSSIBLE IT BECOMES CENTRAL TO POSSIBLE IT BECOMES CENTRAL TO THE ELECTION. THE ELECTION. A RECENT HUFF POST/UGOV POLL A RECENT HUFF POST/UGOV POLL ASKED IS WHITE NATIONALISM A ASKED IS WHITE NATIONALISM A THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES. THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES. 56 SAID YES. 56 SAID YES. DO YOU THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP DO YOU THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP SUPPORTS WHITE NATIONALISM, 44% SUPPORTS WHITE NATIONALISM, 44% SAID YES. SAID YES. HOW DOES DONALD TRUMP DEAL WITH HOW DOES DONALD TRUMP DEAL WITH THIS? THIS?>>WELL, I THINK DONALD TRUMP IS>>WELL, I THINK DONALD TRUMP IS JUST DONALD TRUMP AND HE DOES JUST DONALD TRUMP AND HE DOES WHAT HE THINKS. WHAT HE THINKS. I DON’T KNOW THAT THERE’S ANY I DON’T KNOW THAT THERE’S ANY WAY HE PARTICULARLY DEALS WITH WAY HE PARTICULARLY DEALS WITH IT. IT. IT’S A BLEMISH ON HIS IT’S A BLEMISH ON HIS ADMINISTRATION, IT’S A BLEMISH ADMINISTRATION, IT’S A BLEMISH ON HIS RECORD. ON HIS RECORD. WHAT HIS STRATEGY PROBABLY IS, WHAT HIS STRATEGY PROBABLY IS, IS TO TRY TO SCARE PEOPLE ABOUT IS TO TRY TO SCARE PEOPLE ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS AND HOPE THAT THE

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THE WHITE HOUSE AND CONGRESS MIGHT ACTUALLY REACH SOME SORT MIGHT ACTUALLY REACH SOME SORT OF DEAL. OF DEAL.>>>WELCOME TO WEDNESDAY.>>>WELCOME TO WEDNESDAY. “MEET THE PRESS DAILY.” “MEET THE PRESS DAILY.” GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. I’M CHUCK TODD HERE IN I’M CHUCK TODD HERE IN WASHINGTON. WASHINGTON. PRESIDENT TRUMP DIDN’T WANT PRESIDENT TRUMP DIDN’T WANT AMERICA TO BE THE WORLD’S AMERICA TO BE THE WORLD’S POLICE. POLICE. WELL, WE GOT TO ASK THIS WELL, WE GOT TO ASK THIS QUESTION. QUESTION. IS THIS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN IS THIS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN THERE IS NO AMERICAN COP ON THE THERE IS NO AMERICAN COP ON THE BEAT? BEAT? THERE ARE CLASHES IN HONG KONG THERE ARE CLASHES IN HONG KONG BETWEEN PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTESTERS BETWEEN PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTESTERS AND RIOT POLICE. AND RIOT POLICE. THERE ARE DECADES-OLD TENSIONS THERE ARE DECADES-OLD TENSIONS REEMERGING BETWEEN JAPAN AND REEMERGING BETWEEN JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA. SOUTH KOREA. AT A MOMENT THEY SHOULD BE AT A MOMENT THEY SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON NORTH KOREA. FOCUSED ON NORTH KOREA. THERE ARE POPULIST AND THERE ARE POPULIST AND XENOPHOBIC RIOTS ROCKING THE XENOPHOBIC RIOTS ROCKING THE GLOBE. GLOBE. RUSSIA IS TESTING NUCLEAR RUSSIA IS TESTING NUCLEAR POWERED MISSILES. POWERED MISSILES. THERE IS NOW RUSSIAN MISSILE THERE IS NOW RUSSIAN MISSILE TECHNOLOGY INSIDE TURKEY, A KEY TECHNOLOGY INSIDE TURKEY, A KEY NATO NATO NATO ALLY. NATO ALLY. AND I HAVEN’T EVEN MENTIONED AND I HAVEN’T EVEN MENTIONED YOUR JUST SORT OF YOUR JUST SORT OF RUN-OF-THE-MILL WHETHER IT IS RUN-OF-THE-MILL WHETHER IT IS MIDDLE EAST PEACE OR LATIN MIDDLE EAST PEACE OR LATIN AMERICAN, ESPECIALLY WHERE SOME AMERICAN, ESPECIALLY WHERE SOME DEMONSTRATORS ARE SINGING OUR DEMONSTRATORS ARE SINGING OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM LIKE WE’VE SEEN NATIONAL ANTHEM LIKE WE’VE SEEN IN HONG KONG. IN HONG KONG. I DIDN’T EVEN BRING UP THE I DIDN’T EVEN BRING UP THE DEMOCRACY MOVEMENTS WE HAVE DEMOCRACY MOVEMENTS WE HAVE NOTHING ABOUT TO SAY IN RUSSIA. NOTHING ABOUT TO SAY IN RUSSIA. A TOP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL A TOP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL ACTUALLY SAID THE HONG KONG ACTUALLY SAID THE HONG KONG MATTER IS AN INTERNAL MATTER FOR MATTER IS AN INTERNAL MATTER FOR CHINA. CHINA. ANY OTHER MODERN PRESIDENT WOULD ANY OTHER MODERN PRESIDENT WOULD ALSO BE STRENUOUSLY OPPOSING ALSO BE STRENUOUSLY OPPOSING MISSILE LAUNCHES OR REBUKING MISSILE LAUNCHES OR REBUKING ALLIES OR TRYING TO EASE ALLIES OR TRYING TO EASE TENSIONS IN KASHMIR OR TRYING TO TENSIONS IN KASHMIR OR TRYING TO EASE TENSIONS BETWEEN JAPAN AND EASE TENSIONS BETWEEN JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA. SOUTH KOREA. INSTEAD, THE MESSAGE THIS INSTEAD, THE MESSAGE THIS AMERICAN PRESIDENT IS SENDING TO AMERICAN PRESIDENT IS SENDING TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS IS IT’S YOUR FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS IS IT’S YOUR BUSINESS IF YOU WANT TO CRACK BUSINESS IF YOU WANT TO CRACK DOWN ON PROTESTERS OR DOWN ON PROTESTERS OR JOURNALISTS OR SOW JOURNALISTS OR SOW DISINFORMATION. DISINFORMATION. THE UNWILLINGNESS OF WASHINGTON THE UNWILLINGNESS OF WASHINGTON TO HELP DIFFUSE FLASH POINTS IS TO HELP DIFFUSE FLASH POINTS IS ONE OF THE CLEAR SIGNS OF THE ONE OF THE CLEAR SIGNS OF THE EROSION OF AMERICAN POWER AND EROSION OF AMERICAN POWER AND GLOBAL INFLUENCE UNDER GLOBAL INFLUENCE UNDER MR. TRUMP. MR. TRUMP. LET ME TURN TO SOME EXPERTS. LET ME TURN TO SOME EXPERTS. WE’LL START WITH DAVID IGNASHOUS WE’LL START WITH DAVID IGNASHOUS WHO HAS THE TERRIFIC PEACE, WHO HAS THE TERRIFIC PEACE, JASON JOHNSON IS POLITICS EDITOR JASON JOHNSON IS POLITICS EDITOR AT THEROOT.COM. AT THEROOT.COM. ALL OF THEM ARE MSNBC ALL OF THEM ARE MSNBC CONTRIBUTORS. CONTRIBUTORS. DAVID, I WANT TO START WITH YOU DAVID, I WANT TO START WITH YOU BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THOSE — WE’VE BEEN TALKING THOSE — WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS INSIDE OUR OWN NEWS ABOUT THIS INSIDE OUR OWN NEWS ROOM FOR QUITE SOME TIME GOING ROOM FOR QUITE SOME TIME GOING THERE IS THIS GIANT FOREIGN THERE IS THIS GIANT FOREIGN POLICY PROBLEM SITTING AT THE POLICY PROBLEM SITTING AT THE PRESIDENT’S DESK. PRESIDENT’S DESK. BUT IT’S HARD TO ARTICULATE BUT IT’S HARD TO ARTICULATE BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS INACTION. BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS INACTION. YOU DID A GOOD JOB OF YOU DID A GOOD JOB OF ARTICULATING IT IN THIS BIG ARTICULATING IT IN THIS BIG PICTURE, BUT THIS ISN’T THE PICTURE, BUT THIS ISN’T THE EASIEST STORY TO EXPLAIN TO THE EASIEST STORY TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC. PUBLIC. EXPLAIN WHAT WE MEAN BY BY EXPLAIN WHAT WE MEAN BY BY INACTION? INACTION?>>SO, CHUCK, IT IS A>>SO, CHUCK, IT IS A COMPLICATED WORLD. COMPLICATED WORLD. TODAY’S A DAY WHEN WE FELT AS IF TODAY’S A DAY WHEN WE FELT AS IF THE WORLD WAS ON FIRE. THE WORLD WAS ON FIRE. BUT IT’S A DAY WHEN I WAS BUT IT’S A DAY WHEN I WAS REMINDED THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP’S REMINDED THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP’S RESPONSE TO THE WORLD TO THIS RESPONSE TO THE WORLD TO THIS COMPLICATED DIFFICULT WORLD FROM COMPLICATED DIFFICULT WORLD FROM THE DAY HE TOOK OFFICE HAS THE DAY HE TOOK OFFICE HAS BASICALLY BEEN RETREAT, HIS BASICALLY BEEN RETREAT, HIS PREFERRED INSTRUMENT IN DEALING PREFERRED INSTRUMENT IN DEALING WITH COUNTRIES HE DOESN’T LIKE WITH COUNTRIES HE DOESN’T LIKE IS TO SLAP THEM WITH TARIFFS OR IS TO SLAP THEM WITH TARIFFS OR ECONOMIC SANCTIONS. ECONOMIC SANCTIONS. HE EXPRESSES NO COMMITMENT TO HE EXPRESSES NO COMMITMENT TO THE TRADITIONAL AMERICAN ROLE OF THE TRADITIONAL AMERICAN ROLE OF LEADERSHIP, OF MORAL GUIDANCE. LEADERSHIP, OF MORAL GUIDANCE. HE DOESN’T STAND WITH PROTESTERS HE DOESN’T STAND WITH PROTESTERS IN HONG KONG OR IT SEEMS IN HONG KONG OR IT SEEMS ANYWHERE ELSE. ANYWHERE ELSE. AND I DO THINK WE ARE SEEING AND I DO THINK WE ARE SEEING TODAY, IT’S A DAY TO WATCH IT, TODAY, IT’S A DAY TO WATCH IT, THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE TWO THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE TWO YEARS OF RETRENCHMENT OF AMERICA YEARS OF RETRENCHMENT OF AMERICA FIRST, OF SELFISH POLICIES THAT FIRST, OF SELFISH POLICIES THAT DON’T REALLY STAND FOR ANYTHING DON’T REALLY STAND FOR ANYTHING LARGER THAN OUR OWN PARTICULAR LARGER THAN OUR OWN PARTICULAR NATIONAL INTEREST. NATIONAL INTEREST. WHAT REALLY BOTHERED ME IN MY WHAT REALLY BOTHERED ME IN MY COLUMN THIS MORNING, THE CENTRAL COLUMN THIS MORNING, THE CENTRAL THEME, IS WHERE ARE THE THEME, IS WHERE ARE THE DEMOCRATS? DEMOCRATS? HERE IS A PERFECT OPENING FOR HERE IS A PERFECT OPENING FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO OFFER AN THE DEMOCRATS TO OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE VISION. ALTERNATIVE VISION. AS I SAID THIS MORNING WE NEED A AS I SAID THIS MORNING WE NEED A LITTLE MORE JFK LEANING OUT INTO LITTLE MORE JFK LEANING OUT INTO THIS TROUBLED WORLD AND A LITTLE THIS TROUBLED WORLD AND A LITTLE LESS DEMOCRATS REPEATING THEY LESS DEMOCRATS REPEATING THEY DON’T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DON’T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH TRADE AGREEMENTS, THAT DO WITH TRADE AGREEMENTS, THAT THEY’RE AS PROTECTIONIST AS THEY’RE AS PROTECTIONIST AS DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP. THAT’S NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER, THAT’S NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER, ESPECIALLY TODAY. ESPECIALLY TODAY.>>DAVID, LET ME DO THE, WHAT>>DAVID, LET ME DO THE, WHAT SOME MAY PUSH BACK ON WHEN THEY SOME MAY PUSH BACK ON WHEN THEY HEAR ALL OF US ARGUING THIS SORT HEAR ALL OF US ARGUING THIS SORT OF, WELL, AMERICA, WHETHER WE OF, WELL, AMERICA, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT WE ARE THE LIKE IT OR NOT WE ARE THE WORLD’S POLICEMEN. WORLD’S POLICEMEN. THEY MAY PUSH BACK AND SAY TO THEY MAY PUSH BACK AND SAY TO WHAT END HAS THAT WORKED? WHAT END HAS THAT WORKED? WE LOST BLOOD AND TREASURE IN WE LOST BLOOD AND TREASURE IN AFGHANISTAN. AFGHANISTAN. WHY SHOULD WE GET INVOLVED, WHY SHOULD WE GET INVOLVED, RIGHT? RIGHT? THAT IS THE DONALD TRUMP FOREIGN THAT IS THE DONALD TRUMP FOREIGN POLICY PHILOSOPHY. POLICY PHILOSOPHY. FRANKLY, THAT IS PROBABLY WHERE FRANKLY, THAT IS PROBABLY WHERE 40% OF THE COUNTRY SIT ON THESE 40% OF THE COUNTRY SIT ON THESE ISSUES. ISSUES.>>SO, PEOPLE ARE RIGHT THAT>>SO, PEOPLE ARE RIGHT THAT THIS IS NOT A MOMENT WHEN WE THIS IS NOT A MOMENT WHEN WE SHOULD ENGAGE IN THE SENSE OF SHOULD ENGAGE IN THE SENSE OF LOOKING FOR NEW WARS OVERSEAS. LOOKING FOR NEW WARS OVERSEAS. I’VE BEEN THINKING THE LAST I’VE BEEN THINKING THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS ATTENDING COUPLE WEEKS ATTENDING CONFERENCES ABOUT CHINA AND THE CONFERENCES ABOUT CHINA AND THE THREAT THAT CHINA POSES. THREAT THAT CHINA POSES. THE ANSWER TO THAT CHINESE THE ANSWER TO THAT CHINESE CHALLENGE IS TO GET OUR OWN CHALLENGE IS TO GET OUR OWN HOUSE IN ORDER. HOUSE IN ORDER. EVERY THEME THAT DEMOCRATS EVERY THEME THAT DEMOCRATS EXPRESS IN THIS CAMPAIGN, YOU EXPRESS IN THIS CAMPAIGN, YOU KNOW, IMPROVING OUR SCHOOLS, KNOW, IMPROVING OUR SCHOOLS, MAKING OURSELVES A MORE MAKING OURSELVES A MORE INCLUSIVE, DIVERSE AND WELCOMING INCLUSIVE, DIVERSE AND WELCOMING COUNTRY MAKES SENSE IN COUNTRY MAKES SENSE IN PARTICULAR IN THE CONTEXT OF PARTICULAR IN THE CONTEXT OF HAVING A STRONGER COUNTRY AND HAVING A STRONGER COUNTRY AND POLITICAL SYSTEM THAT WORKS TO POLITICAL SYSTEM THAT WORKS TO PUSH BACK AGAINST A RISING CHINA PUSH BACK AGAINST A RISING CHINA THAT, THROUGH THE REST OF OUR THAT, THROUGH THE REST OF OUR LIFETIMES, YOU AND ME AND OUR LIFETIMES, YOU AND ME AND OUR CHILDREN, TOO, IS GOING TO BE CHILDREN, TOO, IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING WE PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. SO IT’S NOT THAT WE WANT TO GO SO IT’S NOT THAT WE WANT TO GO BACK TO JFK, PAY ANY PRICE, YOU BACK TO JFK, PAY ANY PRICE, YOU KNOW, WITH TROOFS ALL OVER THE KNOW, WITH TROOFS ALL OVER THE WORLD. WORLD. IT’S TO BEGIN SOLVING THE IT’S TO BEGIN SOLVING THE PROBLEMS, BEING STRONGER AND PROBLEMS, BEING STRONGER AND MORE UNIFIED AND THEN BEING ABLE MORE UNIFIED AND THEN BEING ABLE TO COMPETE BETTER. TO COMPETE BETTER.>>I WANT TO UNPACK TWO THINGS>>I WANT TO UNPACK TWO THINGS THAT YOU INTRODUCED HERE WITH THAT YOU INTRODUCED HERE WITH THESE FOLKS HERE. THESE FOLKS HERE. ONE IS THE CHINA STORY, AND I ONE IS THE CHINA STORY, AND I WANT TO GET THAT IN A SECOND. WANT TO GET THAT IN A SECOND. BUT, MICHAEL, LET ME START WITH BUT, MICHAEL, LET ME START WITH YOU. YOU. IF THERE IS ONE RHETORICAL AREA IF THERE IS ONE RHETORICAL AREA LEFT THAT REPUBLICANS WILL LEFT THAT REPUBLICANS WILL CONTRADICT THIS PRESIDENT ON, IT CONTRADICT THIS PRESIDENT ON, IT IS APPARENTLY IT IS STILL IS APPARENTLY IT IS STILL FOREIGN POLICY. FOREIGN POLICY. HERE’S KEVIN McCARTHY, WHO IS HERE’S KEVIN McCARTHY, WHO IS BASICALLY WITH TRUMP NOW ON MOST BASICALLY WITH TRUMP NOW ON MOST THINGS. THINGS. AND HE SAID TO THE THOUSANDS OF AND HE SAID TO THE THOUSANDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE IN HONG KONG WHO YOUNG PEOPLE IN HONG KONG WHO ARE SPEAKING UP FOR HUMAN RIGHTS ARE SPEAKING UP FOR HUMAN RIGHTS AND SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THE AND SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF CHINA. COMMUNIST PARTY OF CHINA. THAT IS THE HOUSE MINORITY THAT IS THE HOUSE MINORITY LEADER OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, LEADER OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. STATES.>>SO, I MEAN — DOES THIS>>SO, I MEAN — DOES THIS MATTER THAT — MATTER THAT –>>IT DOESN’T MATTER BECAUSE>>IT DOESN’T MATTER BECAUSE FIRST OFF, IT’S BEEN A MAJORITY FIRST OFF, IT’S BEEN A MAJORITY OF THE LEADERS, NOT THE OF THE LEADERS, NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. SO WHETHER YOU HAVE LINDSAY SO WHETHER YOU HAVE LINDSAY GRAHAM OR KEVIN McCARTHY OR ANY GRAHAM OR KEVIN McCARTHY OR ANY OF THESE OTHERS AND WE LOVE THEM OF THESE OTHERS AND WE LOVE THEM TO FILL THE SPACE WITH THAT TO FILL THE SPACE WITH THAT NOISE, BUT IT MATTERS THAT THE NOISE, BUT IT MATTERS THAT THE PRESIDENT IS NOT WITH THEM ON PRESIDENT IS NOT WITH THEM ON THIS. THIS. HE’S NOT LEADING WITH THAT. HE’S NOT LEADING WITH THAT. THAT WASN’T HIS TWEET. THAT WASN’T HIS TWEET. THAT WAS NOT THE PRESIDENT’S THAT WAS NOT THE PRESIDENT’S TWEET. TWEET. IF THE PRESIDENT HAD TWEETED IF THE PRESIDENT HAD TWEETED THAT, WE’D BE IN A WHOLE THAT, WE’D BE IN A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION RIGHT DIFFERENT CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW. NOW. AND I THINK THE WORLD WOULD LOOK AND I THINK THE WORLD WOULD LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. AT THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.>>SEE, THAT SEEMS TO BE — THIS>>SEE, THAT SEEMS TO BE — THIS REPUBLICAN PARTY, WE KNOW THEY REPUBLICAN PARTY, WE KNOW THEY DON’T LIKE THE TARIFF FRONT. DON’T LIKE THE TARIFF FRONT. THEY HAVE DECIDED NOT TO SAY THEY HAVE DECIDED NOT TO SAY ANYTHING. ANYTHING. THEY DON’T LIKE HIS FOREIGN THEY DON’T LIKE HIS FOREIGN POLICY, BUT THEY DON’T KNOW HOW POLICY, BUT THEY DON’T KNOW HOW TO CRITICIZE. TO CRITICIZE.>>THERE’S A SLIGHTLY HIGHER>>THERE’S A SLIGHTLY HIGHER COMFORT LEVEL WITHIN THE GOP. COMFORT LEVEL WITHIN THE GOP. AND WE’VE SEEN McCARTHY NOT GO AND WE’VE SEEN McCARTHY NOT GO AFTER THE PRESIDENT BUT JUST AFTER THE PRESIDENT BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT DOESN’T DIRECTLY SOMETHING THAT DOESN’T DIRECTLY CONTRADICT OR PUSH BACK AGAINST CONTRADICT OR PUSH BACK AGAINST WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID. WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID. PART OF THE REASON THAT THIS PART OF THE REASON THAT THIS CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT AND CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT AND THAT REPUBLICANS ARE AT ODDS THAT REPUBLICANS ARE AT ODDS WITH THE PRESIDENT IN MANY WAY, WITH THE PRESIDENT IN MANY WAY, PARTICULARLY MEMBERS LIKE MARCO PARTICULARLY MEMBERS LIKE MARCO RUBIO, IS THAT THE ISSUE IN HONG RUBIO, IS THAT THE ISSUE IN HONG KONG IS PREDOMINANTLY ABOUT KONG IS PREDOMINANTLY ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS. HUMAN RIGHTS. THOSE ARE VERY LOW ON THE THOSE ARE VERY LOW ON THE PRIORITY LIST FOR THIS PRIORITY LIST FOR THIS PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT.>>AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM.>>AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM. I KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS I KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS PHRASE. PHRASE. WHEN I HEAR THE PHRASE AMERICAN WHEN I HEAR THE PHRASE AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM, MEANS WE ARE THE EXCEPTIONALISM, MEANS WE ARE THE ONES THAT IDENTIFY THE GOOD GUYS ONES THAT IDENTIFY THE GOOD GUYS AND PUNISH THE BAD GUYS. AND PUNISH THE BAD GUYS.>>THEY’RE NOT JUST SINGING THE>>THEY’RE NOT JUST SINGING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM IN CHINA. NATIONAL ANTHEM IN CHINA. THEY ARE SINGING SONGS FROM THEY ARE SINGING SONGS FROM HAMILTON. HAMILTON. THEY ARE SINGING “CAN YOU HEAR THEY ARE SINGING “CAN YOU HEAR THE PEOPLE SING.” THE PEOPLE SING.”>>THAT’S “LE MIS.”>>THAT’S “LE MIS.” [ LAUGHTER ] [ LAUGHTER ]>>THIS IS THE POINT WHERE THE>>THIS IS THE POINT WHERE THE REAL DANGER HERE AND THE REAL DANGER HERE AND THE PRESIDENT NOT SPEAKING UP IS PRESIDENT NOT SPEAKING UP IS WHEN THAT VACUUM IS OPEN, THEN WHEN THAT VACUUM IS OPEN, THEN THESE DEMOCRACY FORCES, THEY THESE DEMOCRACY FORCES, THEY BECOME RADICALIZED. BECOME RADICALIZED. THEY’RE WAITING FOR US TO COME THEY’RE WAITING FOR US TO COME IN AND SAY, LOOK, WE HAVE YOUR IN AND SAY, LOOK, WE HAVE YOUR BACK. BACK. YOU CAN PUSH THINGS A LITTLE BIT YOU CAN PUSH THINGS A LITTLE BIT FARTHER NOW BECAUSE WE’RE THERE. FARTHER NOW BECAUSE WE’RE THERE. IF YOU HAVE DISSIDENCE, WE’LL IF YOU HAVE DISSIDENCE, WE’LL STEP IN. STEP IN.>>DAVID, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, YOU>>DAVID, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, YOU KNOW, I DON’T THINK IT’S AN KNOW, I DON’T THINK IT’S AN ACCIDENT THAT MODY DID WHAT HE ACCIDENT THAT MODY DID WHAT HE DID IN INDIA WITH KASHMIR. DID IN INDIA WITH KASHMIR. I DON’T THINK IT’S AN ACCIDENT I DON’T THINK IT’S AN ACCIDENT WHAT WE’VE SEEN WITH JAPAN AND WHAT WE’VE SEEN WITH JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA THAT WITHOUT AN SOUTH KOREA THAT WITHOUT AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT TO BE THERE AMERICAN PRESIDENT TO BE THERE TO SORT OF TO LEAN ON, I’M TO SORT OF TO LEAN ON, I’M THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS, YOU THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS, YOU KNOW, MODY, I’M IN THE MIDDLE OF KNOW, MODY, I’M IN THE MIDDLE OF CHINA, GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN, CHINA, GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON THERE, I DON’T NEED THIS NOW, THERE, I DON’T NEED THIS NOW, HOW MUCH OF THIS DO YOU THINK IS HOW MUCH OF THIS DO YOU THINK IS HAPPENING BECAUSE WE JUST WALKED HAPPENING BECAUSE WE JUST WALKED AWAY FOR NOW? AWAY FOR NOW?>>WHEN AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT IS>>WHEN AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT IS NOT PREPARED TO BE A NOT PREPARED TO BE A FORWARD-LEANING GLOBAL LEADER, FORWARD-LEANING GLOBAL LEADER, MISCHIEF HAPPENS. MISCHIEF HAPPENS. IN AN AMERICA FIRST WORLD WHERE IN AN AMERICA FIRST WORLD WHERE THE ORGANIZING PRINCIPLE OF THE ORGANIZING PRINCIPLE OF FOREIGN POLICY IS JUST FOREIGN POLICY IS JUST SELFISHNESS, INDIA IS GOING TO SELFISHNESS, INDIA IS GOING TO DECIDE, MODY IS GOING TO DECIDE DECIDE, MODY IS GOING TO DECIDE INDIA FIRST. INDIA FIRST. HE’S GOING TO GO AFTER HIS HE’S GOING TO GO AFTER HIS TRADITIONAL VIEW THAT KASHMIR TRADITIONAL VIEW THAT KASHMIR MUST BE SUPPRESSED. MUST BE SUPPRESSED. YOU ARE GOING TO FIND THAT ALL YOU ARE GOING TO FIND THAT ALL OVER THE WORLD PEOPLE WILL PUT OVER THE WORLD PEOPLE WILL PUT THEIR OWN SMALL NATIONAL THEIR OWN SMALL NATIONAL INTERESTS FIRST, AND DONALD INTERESTS FIRST, AND DONALD TRUMP SIMPLY ISN’T A CREDIBLE TRUMP SIMPLY ISN’T A CREDIBLE ARBITER. ARBITER. IN THE CASE OF INDIA AND ITS IN THE CASE OF INDIA AND ITS MOVES IN KASHMIR, I HAVE A MOVES IN KASHMIR, I HAVE A PARTICULAR WORRY THAT DONALD PARTICULAR WORRY THAT DONALD TRUMP HELPED GET THIS GOING WITH TRUMP HELPED GET THIS GOING WITH SOME VERY AND PRUDENT SOME VERY AND PRUDENT OFF-THE-CUFF COMMENTS DURING THE OFF-THE-CUFF COMMENTS DURING THE VISIT OF THE PAKISTANI PRIME VISIT OF THE PAKISTANI PRIME MINISTER WHO KIND OF MINISTER WHO KIND OF GRATUITOUSLY THREW OUT THE IDEA GRATUITOUSLY THREW OUT THE IDEA THAT WE’D BE A MODERATOR. THAT WE’D BE A MODERATOR. BUT THE BASIC POINT THAT YOU BUT THE BASIC POINT THAT YOU MAKE THAT WHEN WE DON’T HAVE MAKE THAT WHEN WE DON’T HAVE STRONG AMERICAN LEADERSHIP, STRONG AMERICAN LEADERSHIP, JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA FALL INTO JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA FALL INTO THEIR TRADITIONAL NATIONAL THEIR TRADITIONAL NATIONAL RIVALRY, AND THERE’S NO AMERICA RIVALRY, AND THERE’S NO AMERICA THAT’S A CREDIBLE PEACEKEEPER, THAT’S A CREDIBLE PEACEKEEPER, IF YOU WILL, NOT MILITARILY BUT IF YOU WILL, NOT MILITARILY BUT DIPLOMATICALLY. DIPLOMATICALLY.>>ALL RIGHT.>>ALL RIGHT. I’M GOING TO DIG DEEPER IN THIS I’M GOING TO DIG DEEPER IN THIS CONVERSATION ON THE POLITICAL CONVERSATION ON THE POLITICAL SIDE OF THINGS WITH BEN RHODES, SIDE OF THINGS WITH BEN RHODES, LIKE HOW DID THE DEMOCRATS DO LIKE HOW DID THE DEMOCRATS DO THIS. THIS. BETSY, IS IT WORTH THEM MAKING BETSY, IS IT WORTH THEM MAKING THIS CASE OR NOT? THIS CASE OR NOT? BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE, NO, NO, NO, FOCUS PEOPLE LIKE, NO, NO, NO, FOCUS ON HOME, FOCUS DOMESTIC. ON HOME, FOCUS DOMESTIC. MAYBE THEY DON’T WANT AMERICA MAYBE THEY DON’T WANT AMERICA FIRST, BUT THEY WANT YOUR EYE ON FIRST, BUT THEY WANT YOUR EYE ON THE DOMESTIC BALL. THE DOMESTIC BALL.>>THE REALITY IS THAT MOST>>THE REALITY IS THAT MOST SWING VOTERS ARE NOT GOING TO SWING VOTERS ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE BASED ON WHAT’S HAPPENING VOTE BASED ON WHAT’S HAPPENING IN HONG KONG. IN HONG KONG. THEY AREN’T REALLY GOING TO VOTE THEY AREN’T REALLY GOING TO VOTE BASED ON THE IRAN DEAL. BASED ON THE IRAN DEAL. BUT WHAT THIS PROVIDES AS AN BUT WHAT THIS PROVIDES AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE DEMOCRATIC OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES IS A MOMENT TO BE CANDIDATES IS A MOMENT TO BE PART OF THIS NATIONAL PART OF THIS NATIONAL CONVERSATION AND TO PRESENT MORE CONVERSATION AND TO PRESENT MORE OF A CONTRAST WITH THE OF A CONTRAST WITH THE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. SO EVEN THOUGH THEY PROBABLY SO EVEN THOUGH THEY PROBABLY AREN’T GOING TO SEE THEIR POLL AREN’T GOING TO SEE THEIR POLL NUMBERS CHANGE IN SOUTH CAROLINA NUMBERS CHANGE IN SOUTH CAROLINA OR IOWA BASED ON THE MESSAGES OR IOWA BASED ON THE MESSAGES AND THE TWEETS THAT THEY PUT OUT AND THE TWEETS THAT THEY PUT OUT ABOUT HONG KONG, WHAT THEY CAN ABOUT HONG KONG, WHAT THEY CAN DO IS PAINT A MORE STARK PICTURE DO IS PAINT A MORE STARK PICTURE OF HOW THE UNITED STATES CAN OF HOW THE UNITED STATES CAN WORK DIFFERENTLY UNDER THEIR WORK DIFFERENTLY UNDER THEIR LEADERSHIP. LEADERSHIP.>>ALL RIGHT.>>ALL RIGHT. BUT, JASON, I AM CURIOUS HOW BUT, JASON, I AM CURIOUS HOW DO — I THINK THIS CHINA ISSUE DO — I THINK THIS CHINA ISSUE IS COMPLICATED FOR DEMOCRATS. IS COMPLICATED FOR DEMOCRATS. THEY DON’T KNOW HOW TO BASICALLY THEY DON’T KNOW HOW TO BASICALLY SAY HE’S MISMANAGING IT. SAY HE’S MISMANAGING IT. EVEN THOUGH WE AGREE WE GOT TO EVEN THOUGH WE AGREE WE GOT TO GET TOUGH ON CHINA. GET TOUGH ON CHINA. LIKE, OKAY. LIKE, OKAY. WELL, YOU’RE AT LEAST ON THE WELL, YOU’RE AT LEAST ON THE SAME SIDE. SAME SIDE. LIKE, IT’S HARD. LIKE, IT’S HARD.>>THE PEOPLE WHO WEREN’T>>THE PEOPLE WHO WEREN’T WORKING AT THE CHEVY CRUISE WORKING AT THE CHEVY CRUISE STATION IN YOUNGSTOWN OHIO DON’T STATION IN YOUNGSTOWN OHIO DON’T GET IT. GET IT. MAYOR PETE OR JOE BIDEN WOULD MAYOR PETE OR JOE BIDEN WOULD LOVE THIS DEBATE. LOVE THIS DEBATE. THEY ARE THE TWO WHO CAN STEP THEY ARE THE TWO WHO CAN STEP FORWARD AND, LOOK, I HAVE FORWARD AND, LOOK, I HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA, I HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA, I HAVE BEEN VICE PRESIDENT, I HAVE BEEN VICE PRESIDENT, I HAVE SERVED OVERSEAS, THIS IS A HOT SERVED OVERSEAS, THIS IS A HOT POTATO FOR THE REST OF THE POTATO FOR THE REST OF THE DEMOCRATS. DEMOCRATS. GIVEN SOME OF THEIR OWN GIVEN SOME OF THEIR OWN WEAKNESSES, I DON’T THINK THEY’D WEAKNESSES, I DON’T THINK THEY’D WANT TO TOUCH IT. WANT TO TOUCH IT.>>THE OTHER POINT OF ENTRY FOR>>THE OTHER POINT OF ENTRY FOR DEMOCRATS SAY THAT OUR PARTY DEMOCRATS SAY THAT OUR PARTY TRADITIONICALLY AGREES, AND WHEN TRADITIONICALLY AGREES, AND WHEN IT COMES TO HUMAN RIGHTS STUFF, IT COMES TO HUMAN RIGHTS STUFF, THEY CAN ACTUALLY POSITION THEY CAN ACTUALLY POSITION THEMSELVES AS TOUGHER ON CHINA THEMSELVES AS TOUGHER ON CHINA THAN TRUMP. THAN TRUMP. IT’S THE ONLY SECTOR OF THE IT’S THE ONLY SECTOR OF THE CHINA CONVERSATION. CHINA CONVERSATION.>>TO GO WITH HUMAN RIKTS>>TO GO WITH HUMAN RIKTS RIGHTS. RIGHTS.>>I THINK YOU LAID IT OUT JUST>>I THINK YOU LAID IT OUT JUST NOW. NOW. WE SUPPORT THIS EFFORT TO REIGN WE SUPPORT THIS EFFORT TO REIGN CHINA IN. CHINA IN. BUT HERE IS THE LIMIT OF THAT. BUT HERE IS THE LIMIT OF THAT. AND A LACK OF LEADERSHIP BEYOND AND A LACK OF LEADERSHIP BEYOND THAT BY THIS PRESIDENT IS THAT BY THIS PRESIDENT IS CAUSING THESE PARTICULAR CAUSING THESE PARTICULAR PROBLEMS. PROBLEMS. SO THEY CAN IDENTIFY THAT THEY SO THEY CAN IDENTIFY THAT THEY JUST NEED TO STEP INTO THE GAME. JUST NEED TO STEP INTO THE GAME.>>DAVID, I AM GOING TO ASK YOU>>DAVID, I AM GOING TO ASK YOU THE QUESTION THAT YOU MAY FEEL THE QUESTION THAT YOU MAY FEEL IS IMPOSSIBLE TO ANSWER, BUT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO ANSWER, BUT WHERE DOES HONG KONG GO NEXT? WHERE DOES HONG KONG GO NEXT?>>WELL, SO, THERE HAVE BEEN>>WELL, SO, THERE HAVE BEEN SIGNS THAT THE PROTESTERS SIGNS THAT THE PROTESTERS REALIZE THAT THEY MAY HAVE GONE REALIZE THAT THEY MAY HAVE GONE TOO FAR, MAY BE ALIENATING TOO FAR, MAY BE ALIENATING SUPPORT IN HONG KONG BY SOME SUPPORT IN HONG KONG BY SOME RECENT ACTIONS. RECENT ACTIONS. I THINK CHINA IS GOING TO BE I THINK CHINA IS GOING TO BE VERY RELUCTANT TO SEND IN VERY RELUCTANT TO SEND IN TROOPS, THE TROOPS HAVE BEEN TROOPS, THE TROOPS HAVE BEEN MASSING JUST OVER THE BORDER. MASSING JUST OVER THE BORDER. BUT I’VE BEEN TALKING HERE AT A BUT I’VE BEEN TALKING HERE AT A CONFERENCE IN LA JOLLA, CONFERENCE IN LA JOLLA, CALIFORNIA, WITH EXPERTS WHO CALIFORNIA, WITH EXPERTS WHO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT CHINA AND KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT CHINA AND HONG KONG, AND THEY SAY CHINA IS HONG KONG, AND THEY SAY CHINA IS GOING TO BE VERY CAREFUL. GOING TO BE VERY CAREFUL. THE ONE POINT I’D MAKE ABOUT THE ONE POINT I’D MAKE ABOUT TRUMP’S STATEMENTS, THERE’S A TRUMP’S STATEMENTS, THERE’S A MORAL HAZARD PROBLEM HERE. MORAL HAZARD PROBLEM HERE. WE DON’T WANT TO IMPLY TO THOSE WE DON’T WANT TO IMPLY TO THOSE PROTESTERS IN THE STREETS THAT PROTESTERS IN THE STREETS THAT WE’LL COME IN TO HELP THEM IF WE’LL COME IN TO HELP THEM IF THE TROOPS COME OUT BECAUSE THE TROOPS COME OUT BECAUSE THAT’S CLEARLY NOT TRUE. THAT’S CLEARLY NOT TRUE. BUT WE DO WANT TO SAY THAT THE BUT WE DO WANT TO SAY THAT THE WORLD IS WATCHING THAT THESE WORLD IS WATCHING THAT THESE DISPUTES SHOULD BE SOLVED DISPUTES SHOULD BE SOLVED WITHOUT RESORT TO FORCE. WITHOUT RESORT TO FORCE. THAT’S A STANDARD LINE FOR AN THAT’S A STANDARD LINE FOR AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT. AMERICAN PRESIDENT. AND I HONESTLY HAVE BEEN SHOCKED AND I HONESTLY HAVE BEEN SHOCKED THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS NOT THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS NOT SAID THAT BASIC THING. SAID THAT BASIC THING. HE’S ALMOST SEEMED TO BE HE’S ALMOST SEEMED TO BE INVITING THEM TO COME IN AND INVITING THEM TO COME IN AND CRACK DOWN. CRACK DOWN. HE NEEDS TO SAY THE WORLD IS HE NEEDS TO SAY THE WORLD IS WATCHING. WATCHING. WE EXPECT THIS TO BE RESOLVED WE EXPECT THIS TO BE RESOLVED WITHOUT VIOLENCE, AND, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT VIOLENCE, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THOSE STUDENTS THAT ARE I THINK THOSE STUDENTS THAT ARE SINGING THE AMERICAN SONGS, THAT SINGING THE AMERICAN SONGS, THAT WILL REALLY RESONATE IN THE WILL REALLY RESONATE IN THE CAMPAIGN IF TRUMP DOESN’T DO CAMPAIGN IF TRUMP DOESN’T DO SOMETHING. SOMETHING.>>BOY, IT’S INTERESTING YOU SAY>>BOY, IT’S INTERESTING YOU SAY THAT. THAT. IT DOES FEEL ALMOST AS IF HE IT DOES FEEL ALMOST AS IF HE WANTS TO BAIT THE CHINESE TO WANTS TO BAIT THE CHINESE TO OVERSTEP. OVERSTEP. ALL RIGHT, DAVID IGNATIUS, YOU

Christie Goes From ‘Sit Down And Shut Up’ To Civility Advocate | The Beat With Ari Melber | MSNBC


♪ Liberty, Liberty, Liberty, Liberty ♪ Liberty, Liberty ♪>>>NOW WE TURN TO NEWS THAT>>>NOW WE TURN TO NEWS THAT COULD BE AN ONION HEADLINE. COULD BE AN ONION HEADLINE. ARE YOU READY? ARE YOU READY? CHRIS CHRISTIE THE FAMOUSLY CHRIS CHRISTIE THE FAMOUSLY SHORT TEMPERED AND SOMETIMES SHORT TEMPERED AND SOMETIMES VERBALLY ABUSEIVE NEW JERSEY VERBALLY ABUSEIVE NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR, HAS DECIDED ON HIS GOVERNOR, HAS DECIDED ON HIS NEXT PROJECT. NEXT PROJECT. A THINK TANKING TO ADDRESS A THINK TANKING TO ADDRESS CIVILITY TO THE ADDRESS TODAY’S CIVILITY TO THE ADDRESS TODAY’S UGLY AND DIVISIVE POLITICS UGLY AND DIVISIVE POLITICS BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN’T HAVING BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN’T HAVING CIVILIZED CONVERSATIONS. CIVILIZED CONVERSATIONS. HE IS ANOINTING HIMSELF A HE IS ANOINTING HIMSELF A CIVILITY COP TODAY. CIVILITY COP TODAY. OBVIOUSLY, THIS HAS US THINKING OBVIOUSLY, THIS HAS US THINKING THIS IS LIKE RAB ON YOUR WEDDING THIS IS LIKE RAB ON YOUR WEDDING DAY OR 10,000 SPOONS WHEN ALL DAY OR 10,000 SPOONS WHEN ALL YOU NEED IS A KNIFE. YOU NEED IS A KNIFE. ISN’T IT IRONIC AS ALANIS ISN’T IT IRONIC AS ALANIS MORISSETTE WOULD SAY. MORISSETTE WOULD SAY.>>I WAS WONDERING WHY YOU THINK>>I WAS WONDERING WHY YOU THINK IT’S FAIR TO BE CUTTING SCHOOL IT’S FAIR TO BE CUTTING SCHOOL FUNDING TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS. FUNDING TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS.>>WHAT’S YOUR NAME.>>WHAT’S YOUR NAME.>>FIRST OFF IT’S NONE OF YOUR>>FIRST OFF IT’S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. BUSINESS. I DON’T ASK YOU WHERE YOU SEND I DON’T ASK YOU WHERE YOU SEND YOUR KIDS TO SCHOOL. YOUR KIDS TO SCHOOL. DON’T BOGER ME WHERE I SEND MY DON’T BOGER ME WHERE I SEND MY INTO COMPENSATING ME FOR MY INTO COMPENSATING ME FOR MY CHICKS NOR MY EXPERIENCE. CHICKS NOR MY EXPERIENCE.>>YOU KNOW WHAT?>>YOU KNOW WHAT? THEN YOU DON’T HAVE TO DO IT. THEN YOU DON’T HAVE TO DO IT.>>IF YOU WANT TO PUT ON A SHOW>>IF YOU WANT TO PUT ON A SHOW AND GIGGLETIME TIME I TALK, I AND GIGGLETIME TIME I TALK, I HAVE NO INTEREST HAVE NO INTEREST YOUR QUESTION. YOUR QUESTION.>>LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING,>>LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, AFTER YOU GRADUATE FROM LAW AFTER YOU GRADUATE FROM LAW SCHOOL, TALK LIKE THAT IN A SCHOOL, TALK LIKE THAT IN A COURTROOM, YOUR REAR END IS COURTROOM, YOUR REAR END IS GOING TO GET THROWN IN JAIL. GOING TO GET THROWN IN JAIL. ARE YOU STUPID? ARE YOU STUPID? ON TOPIC, ON TOPIC, NEXT ON TOPIC, ON TOPIC, NEXT QUESTION. QUESTION. GOOD, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH, GOOD, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH, AND I’M SORRY FOR THE IDIOT OVER AND I’M SORRY FOR THE IDIOT OVER THERE. THERE. I WORK THE CONES, ACTUALLY, I WORK THE CONES, ACTUALLY, MATT, UNBEI WAS THE GUY WORKING MATT, UNBEI WAS THE GUY WORKING CONES. CONES.>>IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A>>IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION LATER, I’M HAPPY TO CONVERSATION LATER, I’M HAPPY TO HAVE IT BUDDY. HAVE IT BUDDY. UNTIL THAT TIME, SIT DOWN AND UNTIL THAT TIME, SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP. SHUT UP.>>ISN’T IT IRONIC, THAT SONG>>ISN’T IT IRONIC, THAT SONG ACTUALLY HITS CHRISTIE IN TWO ACTUALLY HITS CHRISTIE IN TWO PLACES, THE IRONY OF THE PLACES, THE IRONY OF THE CIVILITY QUEST AND THE OTHER CIVILITY QUEST AND THE OTHER THAT COULD APPLY TO HIS BRIDGE THAT COULD APPLY TO HIS BRIDGE GATE STANCANDAL, A TRAFFIC JAM W GATE STANCANDAL, A TRAFFIC JAM W YOU’RE ALREADY LATE. YOU’RE ALREADY LATE. IT’S HARD TO TAKE THIS STORY IT’S HARD TO TAKE THIS STORY SERIOUSLY WHICH IS WHY WE TURN SERIOUSLY WHICH IS WHY WE TURN TO COMEDIAN CHUCK NICE. TO COMEDIAN CHUCK NICE. CHRIS CHRISTIE FIGHTING FOR CHRIS CHRISTIE FIGHTING FOR CIVILITY. CIVILITY.>>SEE, HERE’S WHAT YOU DON’T>>SEE, HERE’S WHAT YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND, THOUGH, ARI IS THAT UNDERSTAND, THOUGH, ARI IS THAT SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP. SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP. THAT WAS SAID IN LOVE. THAT WAS SAID IN LOVE. OKAY. OKAY. THAT’S THE DEAL. THAT’S THE DEAL.>>I DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT THAT.>>I DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT THAT.>>THERE’S A LOVING WAY TO TELL>>THERE’S A LOVING WAY TO TELL SOMEBODY TO GO TO HELL OR SIT SOMEBODY TO GO TO HELL OR SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP OR YOU DIE. DOWN AND SHUT UP OR YOU DIE. CHRIS CHRISTIE HAS PERFECTED CHRIS CHRISTIE HAS PERFECTED THAT. THAT. EVERYTHING WE SAW THERE. EVERYTHING WE SAW THERE.>>YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN>>YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN SOMEONE IS BEING REALLY FUNNY SOMEONE IS BEING REALLY FUNNY AND SOMEONE SAYS STOP, LIKE GO AND SOMEONE SAYS STOP, LIKE GO ON. ON.>>PLEASE GO ON.>>PLEASE GO ON. WHAT PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND, WHAT PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK WHAT YOU WERE TRYING AND I THINK WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW IS THAT TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW IS THAT CHRIS CHRISTIE SEES HIMSELF AS A CHRIS CHRISTIE SEES HIMSELF AS A BRIDGE, A BRIDGE TO BRING ABOUT BRIDGE, A BRIDGE TO BRING ABOUT COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THOSE WHO COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THOSE WHO MIGHT OTHERWISE BE AT ODDS. MIGHT OTHERWISE BE AT ODDS.>>A BRIDGE.>>A BRIDGE.>>A CHRISTIE BRIDGE.>>A CHRISTIE BRIDGE.>>A TRAFFIC LADEN BRIDGE.>>A TRAFFIC LADEN BRIDGE. LET ME ASK YOU THIS, DO YOU KNOW LET ME ASK YOU THIS, DO YOU KNOW THAT WE HAD FOR THIS SEGMENT, WE THAT WE HAD FOR THIS SEGMENT, WE TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY, THAT’S WHY TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY, THAT’S WHY YOU’RE HERE. YOU’RE HERE.>>THAT’S WHY I’M HERE.>>THAT’S WHY I’M HERE.>>WE DIDN’T GET ALL THE>>WE DIDN’T GET ALL THE HYPOCRISY INTO THAT SET UP. HYPOCRISY INTO THAT SET UP.>>YOU CAN’T.>>YOU CAN’T.>>BECAUSE WHO IS CHRIS>>BECAUSE WHO IS CHRIS CHRISTIE’S BIGGEST POLITICAL CHRISTIE’S BIGGEST POLITICAL ALLY AND MENTOR RIGHT NOW. ALLY AND MENTOR RIGHT NOW.>>ALLY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, I>>ALLY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, I DON’T KNOW, DONALD TRUMP. DON’T KNOW, DONALD TRUMP.>>PERHAPS.>>PERHAPS.>>HE CHAIRED THE TRANSITION, HE>>HE CHAIRED THE TRANSITION, HE WAS THE FIRST ENDORSER IN THE WAS THE FIRST ENDORSER IN THE REPUBLICAN FIELD OF COMPETITORS REPUBLICAN FIELD OF COMPETITORS AND LOOK AT THIS, HE WAS ASKED AND LOOK AT THIS, HE WAS ASKED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE HE’S GOT THE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE HE’S GOT THE CIVILITY PROJECT AND HE SAID NO CIVILITY PROJECT AND HE SAID NO CONFLICT THERE, QUOTE, THE CONFLICT THERE, QUOTE, THE NEGATIVE TONE IN OUR POLITICS NEGATIVE TONE IN OUR POLITICS EXISTED LONG BEFORE TRUMP. EXISTED LONG BEFORE TRUMP. YOU’RE NEVER GOING TO AGREE WITH YOU’RE NEVER GOING TO AGREE WITH ANYONE 100%. ANYONE 100%.>>AND GUESS WHAT, IF YOU>>AND GUESS WHAT, IF YOU REMEMBER LAST WEEK, TRUMP SAID REMEMBER LAST WEEK, TRUMP SAID THIS, EVERYTHING I SAY IS IN THIS, EVERYTHING I SAY IS IN LOVE. LOVE. WE DO LOVE, AND SO, I MEAN, WE DO LOVE, AND SO, I MEAN, LISTEN, THESE ARE TWO PEAS IN A LISTEN, THESE ARE TWO PEAS IN A POD THAT BELONG TOGETHER. POD THAT BELONG TOGETHER. I LIKE WHAT THEY’RE DOING HERE. I LIKE WHAT THEY’RE DOING HERE. THEY’RE BRINGING THE COUNTRY THEY’RE BRINGING THE COUNTRY TOGETHER BY SHOWING WHAT IT IS TOGETHER BY SHOWING WHAT IT IS TO BE A PART. TO BE A PART.>>DO YOU THINK, AND THIS IS MY>>DO YOU THINK, AND THIS IS MY FINAL QUESTION. FINAL QUESTION. THIS IS THE MOST APT QUESTION THIS IS THE MOST APT QUESTION FOR YOU. FOR YOU. THIS IS WHAT YOU KNOW. THIS IS WHAT YOU KNOW.>>ALL RIGHT.>>ALL RIGHT.>>DO YOU THINK CHRIS CHRISTIE>>DO YOU THINK CHRIS CHRISTIE IS PULLING A GIANT PRANK ON US IS PULLING A GIANT PRANK ON US WITH THIS? WITH THIS? WOW, THAT’S A VERY GOOD WOW, THAT’S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. QUESTION.>>LIKE IN A MONTH, DOES HE COME>>LIKE IN A MONTH, DOES HE COME OUT AND BE LIKE, THIS ISN’T A OUT AND BE LIKE, THIS ISN’T A CIVILITY THINK TANK, I’M CHRIS CIVILITY THINK TANK, I’M CHRIS CHRISTIE. CHRISTIE.>>I JUST SEE CHRIS CHRISTIE AS>>I JUST SEE CHRIS CHRISTIE AS DAVE CHAPPELLE. DAVE CHAPPELLE. I’M CHRIS CHRISTIE. I’M CHRIS CHRISTIE. I’M CHRIS CHRISTIE. I’M CHRIS CHRISTIE.>>WATCH IT.>>WATCH IT.>>WHAT DID YOU EXPECT.>>WHAT DID YOU EXPECT. THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING. THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING. LIKE WHAT DID YOU EXPECT, LIKE WHAT DID YOU EXPECT, CIVILITY. CIVILITY. CIVILITY? CIVILITY?>>CAN I COUNT UP IN MY THANK>>CAN I COUNT UP IN MY THANK YOU TO YOU BECAUSE I ALWAYS LOVE YOU TO YOU BECAUSE I ALWAYS LOVE TALKING TO YOU. TALKING TO YOU. YOU MAKE A GOOD NEWS DAY EASIER. YOU MAKE A GOOD NEWS DAY EASIER. YOU DID YOUR IMPRESSION OF YOU DID YOUR IMPRESSION OF DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>AND YOU DID A CHAPPELL>>AND YOU DID A CHAPPELL CHRISTIE PORTMANTEAU.

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>>>NOW TO OUR SPECIAL REPORT ON>>>NOW TO OUR SPECIAL REPORT ON TRUMP CRITICS TURNED SYCOPHANT TRUMP CRITICS TURNED SYCOPHANT FUNDS THIS WEEK POLITICOS FUNDS THIS WEEK POLITICOS FOCUSED ON ANOTHER TWIST, FOCUSED ON ANOTHER TWIST, ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI TURNING ON ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI TURNING ON HIS BOSS. HIS BOSS. IN NORMAL TIMES WHITE HOUSE IN NORMAL TIMES WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS DON’T LASH OUT LIKE OFFICIALS DON’T LASH OUT LIKE THAT. THAT. CONSIDER A WIDER SHIFT INSIDE CONSIDER A WIDER SHIFT INSIDE THE GOP WITH POLICY THE GOP WITH POLICY CONSEQUENCES. CONSEQUENCES. THINK OF IT AS THE REVERSE THINK OF IT AS THE REVERSE MOOCH. MOOCH. REPUBLICANS TURNING FROM SCOLDS REPUBLICANS TURNING FROM SCOLDS TO SUPPORT BUSY. TO SUPPORT BUSY. THERE’S ONE PROMINENT EXAMPLE THERE’S ONE PROMINENT EXAMPLE YOU’VE SURELY SEEN, LINDSEY YOU’VE SURELY SEEN, LINDSEY GRAHAM. GRAHAM.>>I THINK HE’S A KOOK.>>I THINK HE’S A KOOK. I THINK HE’S CRAZY. I THINK HE’S CRAZY. I THINK HE’S UNFIT FOR OFFICE. I THINK HE’S UNFIT FOR OFFICE.>>I AM LIKE AT HAPPIEST DUDE IN>>I AM LIKE AT HAPPIEST DUDE IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW. AMERICA RIGHT NOW. WE’VE GOT A PRESIDENT AND A WE’VE GOT A PRESIDENT AND A NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM THAT I’VE NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM THAT I’VE BEEN DREAMING OF. BEEN DREAMING OF. I AM ALL IN, KEEP IT UP DONALD. I AM ALL IN, KEEP IT UP DONALD.>>THAT DOESN’T ADD UP.>>THAT DOESN’T ADD UP. YOU CAN’T BE HAPPY ABOUT A “THE YOU CAN’T BE HAPPY ABOUT A “THE CRAZY KOOK” BEING PRESIDENT. CRAZY KOOK” BEING PRESIDENT. GRAHAM WORKS WITH TRUMP A LOT GRAHAM WORKS WITH TRUMP A LOT THESE DAYS. THESE DAYS. . . OTHER REPUBLICANS HAVE GONE OTHER REPUBLICANS HAVE GONE FURTHER FROM RUNNING AGAINST HIM FURTHER FROM RUNNING AGAINST HIM TO WORKING FOR HIM. TO WORKING FOR HIM.>>DONALD TRUMP’S CANDIDACY IS A>>DONALD TRUMP’S CANDIDACY IS A CANCER ON CONSERVATISM, A TOXIC CANCER ON CONSERVATISM, A TOXIC MIX OF DEMAGOGUERY AND MEAN MIX OF DEMAGOGUERY AND MEAN SPIRITEDNESS AND NONSENSE. SPIRITEDNESS AND NONSENSE.>>MY HAT’S OFF TO THE FOR>>MY HAT’S OFF TO THE FOR TAKING THAT SAND AND FOR SENDING TAKING THAT SAND AND FOR SENDING A CLEAR MESSAGE AROUND THE A CLEAR MESSAGE AROUND THE WORLD. WORLD.>>THEN THERE’S THE FORMER TRUMP>>THEN THERE’S THE FORMER TRUMP CRITIC AT THE WHITE HOT CENTER CRITIC AT THE WHITE HOT CENTER OF THIS WHITE HOUSE OCCUPYING A OF THIS WHITE HOUSE OCCUPYING A HUB OF TRUMP CHAOS, THE SAME HUB OF TRUMP CHAOS, THE SAME POSITION FILLED AND VACATED BY POSITION FILLED AND VACATED BY REINCE PRIEBUS AND JOHN KELLY. REINCE PRIEBUS AND JOHN KELLY. I’M TALKING ABOUT ACTING CHIEF I’M TALKING ABOUT ACTING CHIEF OF STAFF MICK MULL MULVANEY. OF STAFF MICK MULL MULVANEY.>>YES, I’M SUPPORTING DONALD>>YES, I’M SUPPORTING DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP. I’M DOING SO AS ENTHUSIASTICALLY I’M DOING SO AS ENTHUSIASTICALLY AS I CAN GIVEN THE FACT HE’S A AS I CAN GIVEN THE FACT HE’S A TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING. TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING. THE CHOICE ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THE CHOICE ON THE OTHER SIDE IS JUST AS BAD. JUST AS BAD.>>THERE’S ALL KINDS OF STUFF>>THERE’S ALL KINDS OF STUFF GOING ON. GOING ON. IT’S WILD THAT THIS IS THE STATE IT’S WILD THAT THIS IS THE STATE OF FEDERAL STAFFING. OF FEDERAL STAFFING. AND IT’S LIKE THE 12th MOST AND IT’S LIKE THE 12th MOST PROMINENT STORY TO THINK ABOUT. PROMINENT STORY TO THINK ABOUT. THIS IS NOT NORMAL AND IT’S THIS IS NOT NORMAL AND IT’S TELLING. TELLING. DONALD TRUMP IS NOT KNOWN TO FIB DONALD TRUMP IS NOT KNOWN TO FIB GRUNLS OR OVERLOOK THESE KIND OF GRUNLS OR OVERLOOK THESE KIND OF THINGS BUT HE’S SO DESPERATE FOR THINGS BUT HE’S SO DESPERATE FOR BODIES IN AN ADMINISTRATION WITH BODIES IN AN ADMINISTRATION WITH RECORD BREAKING TURNOVER, HE’S RECORD BREAKING TURNOVER, HE’S HIRED OR TEAMED UP WITH PEOPLE HIRED OR TEAMED UP WITH PEOPLE WHO CALL HIM A KOOK AND CRAZY, WHO CALL HIM A KOOK AND CRAZY, UNFIT FOR OFFICE. UNFIT FOR OFFICE. A CANCER ON CONSERVATISM. A CANCER ON CONSERVATISM. A TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING. A TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING. THEY ALSO SAY HE’S NOT A VERY THEY ALSO SAY HE’S NOT A VERY GOOD PERSON. GOOD PERSON. THEY DON’T PARTICULARLY LIKE HIM THEY DON’T PARTICULARLY LIKE HIM AND HE SAYS DISGUSTING AND AND HE SAYS DISGUSTING AND INDEFENSIBLE THINGS. INDEFENSIBLE THINGS. WHAT ELSE? WHAT ELSE? HE’S ACTUALLY THE MOST FLAWED HE’S ACTUALLY THE MOST FLAWED HUMAN BEING RUNNING FOR HUMAN BEING RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN HISTORY. PRESIDENT IN HISTORY. THIS IS A LOT OF VERY CLEAR THIS IS A LOT OF VERY CLEAR CHARACTER REJECTION. CHARACTER REJECTION. IT’S NOT POLICY DISAGREEMENT. IT’S NOT POLICY DISAGREEMENT. IT’S AN PROP BRIIAM FOR WHO HE IT’S AN PROP BRIIAM FOR WHO HE IS. IS. ALL THOSE LAST QUOTES ARE ALL ALL THOSE LAST QUOTES ARE ALL FROM MICK MULVANEY NOW BEST FROM MICK MULVANEY NOW BEST KNOWN FOR DEFENDING TRUMP ON THE KNOWN FOR DEFENDING TRUMP ON THE SUNDAY SHOWS ABOUT EVERYTHING. SUNDAY SHOWS ABOUT EVERYTHING.>>HE PUSHES BACK, HE FIGHTS>>HE PUSHES BACK, HE FIGHTS BACK WHEN HE FEELS LIKE HE’S BACK WHEN HE FEELS LIKE HE’S ATTACKED. ATTACKED. HE HAS ZERO TO DO WITH RACE. HE HAS ZERO TO DO WITH RACE.>>TO BE CLEAR, YOU BELIEVE>>TO BE CLEAR, YOU BELIEVE DEMOCRATS WILL NEVER SEE THE DEMOCRATS WILL NEVER SEE THE PRESIDENT’S TAX RETURNS? PRESIDENT’S TAX RETURNS? INTO NO, NEVER. INTO NO, NEVER. NOR SHOULD THEY. NOR SHOULD THEY. MR. MUELLER FOUND NO COLLUSION MR. MUELLER FOUND NO COLLUSION AND NO OBSTRUCTION. AND NO OBSTRUCTION.>>NOT A CRIME.>>NOT A CRIME. WHAT ABOUT THE ETHICS OR MORE WHAT ABOUT THE ETHICS OR MORE RAFLT THOSE THINGS? RAFLT THOSE THINGS?>>AGAIN, THE ISSUE IS NOT>>AGAIN, THE ISSUE IS NOT WHETHER IT’S ETHICAL. WHETHER IT’S ETHICAL.>>DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THAT>>DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS OFFENSIVE TO THE AMERICANS IS OFFENSIVE TO THE AMERICANS WHO DO LIVE THERE. WHO DO LIVE THERE.>>I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING>>I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING THAT DONALD TRUMP SAYS IS THAT DONALD TRUMP SAYS IS OFFENSIVE TO SOME PEOPLE. OFFENSIVE TO SOME PEOPLE.>>MULVANEY HAS HAD TO TURN ON>>MULVANEY HAS HAD TO TURN ON HIS OPPOSITION 0 TRUMP BUT A LOT HIS OPPOSITION 0 TRUMP BUT A LOT OF OTHER CONSERVATIVES HAVE, OF OTHER CONSERVATIVES HAVE, TOO. TOO. THEY SAID YOU HAVE TO HOLD YOUR THEY SAID YOU HAVE TO HOLD YOUR NOSE TO GET POLICY OUT OF THIS NOSE TO GET POLICY OUT OF THIS WHITE HOUSE. WHITE HOUSE. EVANGELICALS SUPPORTED HIM EVANGELICALS SUPPORTED HIM BECAUSE OF THE SUPREME COURT AND BECAUSE OF THE SUPREME COURT AND THEY GOT TWO JUSTICES. THEY GOT TWO JUSTICES. ARE FOR MULVANEY THIS IS ARE FOR MULVANEY THIS IS DIFFERENT. DIFFERENT. DONALD TRUMP IS EXPLODING THE DONALD TRUMP IS EXPLODING THE DEFICIT THIS MONTH. DEFICIT THIS MONTH. IT’S REACHING CLOSE TO A IT’S REACHING CLOSE TO A TRILLION DOLLARS MULVANEY’S TRILLION DOLLARS MULVANEY’S ENTIRE POLICY AGENDA IN CONGRESS ENTIRE POLICY AGENDA IN CONGRESS WAS CUTTING THE DEFICIT. WAS CUTTING THE DEFICIT. EVEN WHEN THAT PLANET GOING EVEN WHEN THAT PLANET GOING AFTER OTHER REPUBLICANS HE AFTER OTHER REPUBLICANS HE ROASTED THE GOP BUDGET IN 2015 ROASTED THE GOP BUDGET IN 2015 SAYING THERE’S NO HONEST WAY TO SAYING THERE’S NO HONEST WAY TO JUSTIFY IT. JUSTIFY IT. WHATEVER YOU THINK ABOUT THAT WHATEVER YOU THINK ABOUT THAT DEFICIT TALK, IT WAS MULVANEY’S DEFICIT TALK, IT WAS MULVANEY’S THING FROM HIS FIRST DAYS IN THING FROM HIS FIRST DAYS IN OFFICE. OFFICE.>>I’M MICK MULVANEY FROM SOUTH>>I’M MICK MULVANEY FROM SOUTH CAROLINA. CAROLINA. I CAN’T TELL YOU HOW EXCITED I CAN’T TELL YOU HOW EXCITED ABOUT THESE PROPOSALS. ABOUT THESE PROPOSALS. I THINK ANYBODY UP TO SPEED ON I THINK ANYBODY UP TO SPEED ON BUDGET ISSUES SHOULD BE SCARED BUDGET ISSUES SHOULD BE SCARED TO DEATH WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH TO DEATH WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH THE DEBT ANDDEFICIT IN THIS THE DEBT ANDDEFICIT IN THIS COUNTRY. COUNTRY.>>CUTTING SPENDING WAS SO>>CUTTING SPENDING WAS SO IMPORTANT IN 2013, HE TRIED TO IMPORTANT IN 2013, HE TRIED TO KILL EMERGENCY RELIEF FOR VIPS KILL EMERGENCY RELIEF FOR VIPS OF HURRICANE SANDY DEMANDING IT OF HURRICANE SANDY DEMANDING IT WILL TO BE IMMEDIATELY OFFSET BY WILL TO BE IMMEDIATELY OFFSET BY BUDGET CUTS. BUDGET CUTS. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY WE’RE TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY FUNDS HERE. FUNDS HERE.>>IS THE FUTURE OF ALL AID>>IS THE FUTURE OF ALL AID AFTER A NATURAL DISASTER NOW THE AFTER A NATURAL DISASTER NOW THE CONTINGENT, IN YOUR VIEW, ON CONTINGENT, IN YOUR VIEW, ON CORRESPONDING CUTS? CORRESPONDING CUTS?>>WELL, I THINK IT IS UNTIL WE>>WELL, I THINK IT IS UNTIL WE GET OUR FISCAL HOUSE IN ORDER. GET OUR FISCAL HOUSE IN ORDER.>>GET THAT HOUSE IN ORDER.>>GET THAT HOUSE IN ORDER. DID ANY OF THIS CHANGE WHEN HE DID ANY OF THIS CHANGE WHEN HE WAS HIRED TO RUN TRUMP’S WAS HIRED TO RUN TRUMP’S DEBT-BUSTING GOVERNMENT? DEBT-BUSTING GOVERNMENT? NOT OFFICIALLY. NOT OFFICIALLY. EVEN IN HIS CONFIRMATION HEARING EVEN IN HIS CONFIRMATION HEARING UNDER OATH, HE CLAIMED HE WAS UNDER OATH, HE CLAIMED HE WAS STILL TRYING TO ADDRESS THE STILL TRYING TO ADDRESS THE DEBT. DEBT.>>I BELIEVE AS A MATTER OF>>I BELIEVE AS A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE THAT THE DEBT IS A PRINCIPLE THAT THE DEBT IS A PROBLEM THAT MUST BE ADDRESSED PROBLEM THAT MUST BE ADDRESSED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.>>HOW DOES HE JUSTIFY WORKING>>HOW DOES HE JUSTIFY WORKING FOR A PRESIDENT SPENDING MONEY FOR A PRESIDENT SPENDING MONEY ON THINGS HE CAN’T PAY FOR ON THINGS HE CAN’T PAY FOR INCLUDING THE TAX CUTS WHICH MAY INCLUDING THE TAX CUTS WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT AFFECT THE RECESSION. OR MAY NOT AFFECT THE RECESSION. MULVANEY WAS ASKED IF THE MULVANEY WAS ASKED IF THE DEFICIT WOULD BE MENTIONED AND DEFICIT WOULD BE MENTIONED AND HE SAID NOBODY CARES. HE SAID NOBODY CARES. DOES HE HAVE LOW SELF-ESTEEM? DOES HE HAVE LOW SELF-ESTEEM? I’M HERE TO TELL YOU, YOU’RE NOT I’M HERE TO TELL YOU, YOU’RE NOT NOBODY. NOBODY. YOU’RE SOMEBODY. YOU’RE SOMEBODY. YOU SPENT YEARS CARING OR YOU SPENT YEARS CARING OR PRETENDING TO CARE ALONG WITH PRETENDING TO CARE ALONG WITH PAUL RYAN AND THE TEA PARTY. PAUL RYAN AND THE TEA PARTY. WAS IT A LIE? WAS IT A LIE? IN THE TIMES THIS QUESTION HAS IN THE TIMES THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN RAISED, HE SAYS THIS IS BEEN RAISED, HE SAYS THIS IS JUST ADJUSTING TO THE BELTWAY. JUST ADJUSTING TO THE BELTWAY.>>YOU IT’S NOT HYPOCRITICAL.>>YOU IT’S NOT HYPOCRITICAL. IT’S SIMPLY ADJUSTING TO THE IT’S SIMPLY ADJUSTING TO THE WASHINGTON, D.C. THAT WE LIVE WASHINGTON, D.C. THAT WE LIVE IN. IN. I WILL ALWAYS BE A DEFICIT HAWK. I WILL ALWAYS BE A DEFICIT HAWK. I AM TODAY, I WAS YESTERDAY, AND I AM TODAY, I WAS YESTERDAY, AND WILL BE TOMORROW. WILL BE TOMORROW. BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT SPENDING BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT SPENDING A BUNCH OF MONEY THAT WE REASON A BUNCH OF MONEY THAT WE REASON THE IS WRONG. THE IS WRONG. I’M JUST TELLING YOU THAT THIS I’M JUST TELLING YOU THAT THIS IS THE CARDS THAT WE’VE BEEN IS THE CARDS THAT WE’VE BEEN DEALT AS THE ADMINISTRATION. DEALT AS THE ADMINISTRATION.>>THE CARDS WE’VE BEEN DEALT.>>THE CARDS WE’VE BEEN DEALT. WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS TO YOU WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS TO YOU OUT OF YOUR CONTROL, THOSE ARE OUT OF YOUR CONTROL, THOSE ARE THE CARDS. THE CARDS. MAKE DO WITH WHAT YOU CAN’T MAKE DO WITH WHAT YOU CAN’T CONTROL. CONTROL. HE WASN’T DEALT THESE CARDS. HE WASN’T DEALT THESE CARDS. HE RAN FOR OFFICE, WON A SEAT, HE RAN FOR OFFICE, WON A SEAT, RESIGNED TO TAKE THIS JOB. RESIGNED TO TAKE THIS JOB. SO WHEN YOU GET INTO THIS LEVEL SO WHEN YOU GET INTO THIS LEVEL OF DEPTH AND THIS STUFF IS SUPER OF DEPTH AND THIS STUFF IS SUPER IMPORTANT TO WHERE WE’RE HEADED IMPORTANT TO WHERE WE’RE HEADED REMEMBER, YOU CAN’T UNDERSTAND REMEMBER, YOU CAN’T UNDERSTAND THIS STORY JUST BY LISTENING TO THIS STORY JUST BY LISTENING TO MULVANEY’SAL SXWRINZ DIG DEEPER. MULVANEY’SAL SXWRINZ DIG DEEPER. ACCORDING TO SOMEONE WHO HAS ACCORDING TO SOMEONE WHO HAS STUDIED THIS, TO UNDERSTAND MICK STUDIED THIS, TO UNDERSTAND MICK MULVANEY YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND MULVANEY YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND MIKE TYSON’S FAMOUS FACE TATTOO. MIKE TYSON’S FAMOUS FACE TATTOO. TIM ALBERTA WROTE AFTER THE TIM ALBERTA WROTE AFTER THE ELECTION DAY MULVANEY REALIZED ELECTION DAY MULVANEY REALIZED AFTER BASH AGTRUMP HE HAD TO AFTER BASH AGTRUMP HE HAD TO COZY UP TO HIM BECAUSE HE WAS COZY UP TO HIM BECAUSE HE WAS OBSESSED WITH POWER. OBSESSED WITH POWER. ALBERTA WRITES HE WORE HIS ALBERTA WRITES HE WORE HIS AMBITION AS SUBTLY AS A MIKE AMBITION AS SUBTLY AS A MIKE TYSON FACE TATTOO, UPON COMING TYSON FACE TATTOO, UPON COMING TO CONGRESS HE MADE FEW DOUBT HE TO CONGRESS HE MADE FEW DOUBT HE WAS THE SMARTEST MAN THERE AND WAS THE SMARTEST MAN THERE AND DESTINED FOR MORE. DESTINED FOR MORE. THE VALUES, PLEDGES, HE WRITES THE VALUES, PLEDGES, HE WRITES MULVANEY CHUCKED OUT THE WINDOW MULVANEY CHUCKED OUT THE WINDOW WATCHING TRUMP, READING THE ART” WATCHING TRUMP, READING THE ART” OF THE DEAL,” I VENNED A THEER OF THE DEAL,” I VENNED A THEER HOW HAD TO INGRATIATE HIMSELF. HOW HAD TO INGRATIATE HIMSELF. HE WOULD DO WHAT PAUL RYAN HAD HE WOULD DO WHAT PAUL RYAN HAD DONE, SELL TRUMP ON THE VALUE HE DONE, SELL TRUMP ON THE VALUE HE BROUGHT TO THE TEAM. BROUGHT TO THE TEAM. IT WORKED. IT WORKED. TRUMP NAMED HIM BUDGET DIRECTOR TRUMP NAMED HIM BUDGET DIRECTOR WITHIN A MONTH AND NOTICE THE WITHIN A MONTH AND NOTICE THE WORDS THAT WERE USED THERE, SELL WORDS THAT WERE USED THERE, SELL TO TRUMP. TO TRUMP. WHICH FOR MULVANEY MEANT SELLING WHICH FOR MULVANEY MEANT SELLING OFF HIS PAST GOALS, HE DIDN’T OFF HIS PAST GOALS, HE DIDN’T BELIEVE THAT HE SAID, NOT ABOUT BELIEVE THAT HE SAID, NOT ABOUT THE GOP, NOT ABOUT DEFICITS, NOT THE GOP, NOT ABOUT DEFICITS, NOT ABOUT THE TRUMP. ABOUT THE TRUMP. IN OTHER WORDS SELLING OUT. IN OTHER WORDS SELLING OUT. SOME MIGHT LOOK DOWN ON A JOB SOME MIGHT LOOK DOWN ON A JOB APPLICANT WILLING TO DO THAT. APPLICANT WILLING TO DO THAT. TRUMP LIKES IT. TRUMP LIKES IT. IT REINFORCES HIS WORLD VIEW IT REINFORCES HIS WORLD VIEW THAT NOBODY BELIEVES ANYTHING. THAT NOBODY BELIEVES ANYTHING. MULVANEY SOLD OUT OR AS CASHOUT MULVANEY SOLD OUT OR AS CASHOUT EXPLAINS ON HIS SONG “CASHING EXPLAINS ON HIS SONG “CASHING OUT,” I’M CASHING OUT, SKATE ON OUT,” I’M CASHING OUT, SKATE ON MY ICE JUST LIKE YOU PLAYING MY ICE JUST LIKE YOU PLAYING HOCKEY. HOCKEY. GRAB YOUR CAMCORDER, PRESS GRAB YOUR CAMCORDER, PRESS RECORD AND GO AND WATCH ME. RECORD AND GO AND WATCH ME. YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT ENTREPRENEURS TO CASH OUT MORE ENTREPRENEURS TO CASH OUT MORE THAN PUBLIC SERVANTS. THAN PUBLIC SERVANTS. MULVANEY IS CLEARLY FINE CASHING MULVANEY IS CLEARLY FINE CASHING OUT HIS BLEE BELIEFS FOR THE OUT HIS BLEE BELIEFS FOR THE CURRENCY OF POWER. CURRENCY OF POWER. TO PARAPHRASE CASH OUT ONE MORE TO PARAPHRASE CASH OUT ONE MORE TIME, LET’S PRESS RECORD AND TIME, LET’S PRESS RECORD AND WATCH HIM BECAUSE HE SURE WATCH HIM BECAUSE HE SURE DOESN’T SOUND LIKE HE USED TO. DOESN’T SOUND LIKE HE USED TO.>>I THINK ANYBODY WHO IS UP TO>>I THINK ANYBODY WHO IS UP TO SPEED ON BUDGET ISSUES SHOULD BE SPEED ON BUDGET ISSUES SHOULD BE SCARED TO DEATH BY WHAT’S SCARED TO DEATH BY WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH THE DEBT AND THE

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>>WHAT A STORY. AARON BASKERVILLE FROM NBC 10 ON AARON BASKERVILLE FROM NBC 10 ON THE PHONE WITH US FROM THE SCENE THE PHONE WITH US FROM THE SCENE IN PHILADELPHIA. IN PHILADELPHIA.>>>ALL RIGHT.>>>ALL RIGHT. TURNING NOW TO A NEW LAW THAT TURNING NOW TO A NEW LAW THAT JUST WENT INTO A EFFECT IN NEW JUST WENT INTO A EFFECT IN NEW YORK STATE. YORK STATE. STARTING TODAY, CHILDHOOD STARTING TODAY, CHILDHOOD VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE CAN SUE VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE CAN SUE THERAPY PERPETRATORS. THERAPY PERPETRATORS. THE LAW, THE CHILD VICTIMS ACT THE LAW, THE CHILD VICTIMS ACT APPLIES TO VICTIMS WHO WERE APPLIES TO VICTIMS WHO WERE PREVIOUSLY BARRED FROM SUING DUE PREVIOUSLY BARRED FROM SUING DUE TO THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS. TO THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS. THE LAW GIVES VICTIMS ONE YEAR THE LAW GIVES VICTIMS ONE YEAR TO FILE THOSE CASES STARTING TO FILE THOSE CASES STARTING TODAY. TODAY. AS OF THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS AS OF THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS TODAY, 427 CASES WERE FILED TODAY, 427 CASES WERE FILED PURSUANT TO THE CHILD VICTIMS PURSUANT TO THE CHILD VICTIMS ACT. ACT. ACCORDING TO A TALLY BY NBC ACCORDING TO A TALLY BY NBC NEWS. NEWS. THE DEFENDANTS IN THOSE LAWSUITS THE DEFENDANTS IN THOSE LAWSUITS INCLUDE THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INCLUDE THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, THE BOY SCOUTS, AND THE CHURCH, THE BOY SCOUTS, AND THE LATE JEFFREY EPSTEIN. LATE JEFFREY EPSTEIN.>>I JUST DID WHAT HE TOLD ME TO>>I JUST DID WHAT HE TOLD ME TO DO. DO. I WAS REALLY SCARED. I WAS REALLY SCARED. I DIDN’T NECESSARILY THINK HE I DIDN’T NECESSARILY THINK HE WAS GOING TO RAPE ME. WAS GOING TO RAPE ME.>>DID HE HOLD YOU THERE?>>DID HE HOLD YOU THERE?>>YEAH.>>YEAH. UH-HUH. UH-HUH.>>DID JEFFREY EPSTEIN RAPE YOU?>>DID JEFFREY EPSTEIN RAPE YOU?>>YEAH, NO.>>YEAH, NO. HE RAPED ME. HE RAPED ME. FORCEFULLY RAPED ME. FORCEFULLY RAPED ME. KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING. KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING.>>TODAY THAT INDIVIDUAL,>>TODAY THAT INDIVIDUAL, GENERAL ARAOZ FILED ONE OF THE GENERAL ARAOZ FILED ONE OF THE FIRST CIVIL LAWSUITS AGAINST THE FIRST CIVIL LAWSUITS AGAINST THE ESTATE OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN SAYING ESTATE OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN SAYING HE RAPED HER WHEN SHE WAS 15 HE RAPED HER WHEN SHE WAS 15 YEARS OLD AND ALLEGING HIS YEARS OLD AND ALLEGING HIS CO-CONSPIRATORS GROOMED HER FOR CO-CONSPIRATORS GROOMED HER FOR SEX WHEN SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD AS SEX WHEN SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD AS PART OF HIS SEX TRAFFICKING PART OF HIS SEX TRAFFICKING RING. RING. THE CO-CONSPIRATORS ALLEGED IN THE CO-CONSPIRATORS ALLEGED IN THE LAWSUIT INCLUDE GHISLAINE THE LAWSUIT INCLUDE GHISLAINE MAXWELL, MR. EPSTEIN’S LONG-TIME MAXWELL, MR. EPSTEIN’S LONG-TIME CONFIDENT AND JANE DOES ONE CONFIDENT AND JANE DOES ONE THROUGH THREE WHO ARE THREE THROUGH THREE WHO ARE THREE UNNAMED HOUSEHOLD STAFFERS UNNAMED HOUSEHOLD STAFFERS REFERRED TO IN THE LAWSUIT AS REFERRED TO IN THE LAWSUIT AS THE RECRUITER, THE SECRETARY, THE RECRUITER, THE SECRETARY, AND THE MAID. AND THE MAID. ADDITIONAL CIVIL SUITS AGAINST ADDITIONAL CIVIL SUITS AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S ESTATE ARE JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S ESTATE ARE LIKELY. LIKELY. DESPITE HIS DEATH, THE CRIMINAL DESPITE HIS DEATH, THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION INTO HIS ALLEGED INVESTIGATION INTO HIS ALLEGED CO-CONSPIRATORS IS ONGOING. CO-CONSPIRATORS IS ONGOING. THAT CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION BY THAT CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IS OVERSEEN BY THE JUSTICE YORK IS OVERSEEN BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND ATTORNEY GENERAL DEPARTMENT AND ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR. WILLIAM BARR. OUR NEXT GUEST, FORMER U.S. OUR NEXT GUEST, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY JOYCE VANCE HAS CALLED ATTORNEY JOYCE VANCE HAS CALLED ON BARR TO RECUSE HIMSELF WITH ON BARR TO RECUSE HIMSELF WITH REGARD TO THE EPSTEIN REGARD TO THE EPSTEIN INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION. JOYCE VANCE IS ALSO AN MSNBC JOYCE VANCE IS ALSO AN MSNBC LEGAL ANALYST. LEGAL ANALYST. SHE JOINS US NOW. SHE JOINS US NOW. JOYCE, WHAT’S THE BASIS ON WHICH JOYCE, WHAT’S THE BASIS ON WHICH YOU ARE CALLING FOR WILLIAM BARR YOU ARE CALLING FOR WILLIAM BARR TO RECUSE HIMSELF? TO RECUSE HIMSELF?>>SO I SHOULD BE CLEAR, ALI>>SO I SHOULD BE CLEAR, ALI THAT I DON’T MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT I DON’T MAKE THE ARGUMENT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT BARR IS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT BARR IS ACTUALLY GOING TO RECUSE. ACTUALLY GOING TO RECUSE. I THINK THE SAD REALITY HERE IS I THINK THE SAD REALITY HERE IS THAT HE WON’T, BUT THE REASON HE THAT HE WON’T, BUT THE REASON HE SHOULD RECUSE IS BECAUSE HE HAS SHOULD RECUSE IS BECAUSE HE HAS BOTH CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, BOTH CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, CONFLICTS THAT HE HAS APPARENTLY CONFLICTS THAT HE HAS APPARENTLY DECIDED DON’T WARRANT RECUSAL, DECIDED DON’T WARRANT RECUSAL, BUT ALSO THOSE CONFLICTS GIVE BUT ALSO THOSE CONFLICTS GIVE RISE TO AN APPEARANCE OF RISE TO AN APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY. IMPROPRIETY. THAT MEANS THAT PEOPLE IN THE THAT MEANS THAT PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC CAN’T HAVE CONFIDENCE PUBLIC CAN’T HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT HE’S A NEUTRAL THAT HE’S A NEUTRAL DECISION-MAKER. DECISION-MAKER. AND WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE LIKE AND WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE LIKE THAT IN A POSITION OF CONTROL THAT IN A POSITION OF CONTROL OVER AN IMPORTANT INVESTIGATION OVER AN IMPORTANT INVESTIGATION LIKE THE ONE INTO EPSTEIN’S LIKE THE ONE INTO EPSTEIN’S DEATH AND THE ONGOING CRIMINAL DEATH AND THE ONGOING CRIMINAL CASES, IT CAUSES THE PUBLIC TO CASES, IT CAUSES THE PUBLIC TO LOSE CONFIDENCE IN THE JUSTICE LOSE CONFIDENCE IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. DEPARTMENT. DOJ’S ALREADY STRETCHED TOO DOJ’S ALREADY STRETCHED TOO THIN. THIN. WE CAN’T AFFORD TO HAVE ANY MORE WE CAN’T AFFORD TO HAVE ANY MORE LOSS IN ITS REMGS AND INTEGRITY. LOSS IN ITS REMGS AND INTEGRITY.>>WHAT’S THE CONFLICT THAT YOU>>WHAT’S THE CONFLICT THAT YOU SEE THAT HE’S GOT? SEE THAT HE’S GOT?>>YOU KNOW, HE HAS A NUMBER OF>>YOU KNOW, HE HAS A NUMBER OF CONFLICTS STARTING WITH THE FACT CONFLICTS STARTING WITH THE FACT THAT AT HIS CONFIRMATION HEARING THAT AT HIS CONFIRMATION HEARING HE INDICATED THAT HIS FORMER LAW HE INDICATED THAT HIS FORMER LAW FIRM HAD DONE SOME WORK ON FIRM HAD DONE SOME WORK ON BEHALF OF EPSTEIN, AND HE WOULD BEHALF OF EPSTEIN, AND HE WOULD LOOK INTO WHETHER THAT WARRANTED LOOK INTO WHETHER THAT WARRANTED RECUSAL. RECUSAL. BUT ALSO, ALEX ACOSTA, HIS BUT ALSO, ALEX ACOSTA, HIS FORMER COLLEAGUE, THE FORMER FORMER COLLEAGUE, THE FORMER LABOR SECRETARY WAS INVOLVED IN LABOR SECRETARY WAS INVOLVED IN THE PLEA AGREEMENT DOWN IN THE PLEA AGREEMENT DOWN IN FLORIDA FOR ACOSTA, WHICH HAS FLORIDA FOR ACOSTA, WHICH HAS CAUSED SO MUCH CONCERN. CAUSED SO MUCH CONCERN. THEIR RELATIONSHIP CERTAINLY IS THEIR RELATIONSHIP CERTAINLY IS SOME FORM OF A CONFLICT. SOME FORM OF A CONFLICT. AND THEN WE HAVE THIS REALLY AND THEN WE HAVE THIS REALLY CURIOUS FAMILY DETAIL THAT THE CURIOUS FAMILY DETAIL THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S FATHER HIRED ATTORNEY GENERAL’S FATHER HIRED A VERY YOUNG JEFFREY EPSTEIN A VERY YOUNG JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHEN HE WAS A COLLEGE DROP-OUT WHEN HE WAS A COLLEGE DROP-OUT TO TEACH CALCULUS AND PHYSICS AT TO TEACH CALCULUS AND PHYSICS AT THE PREP SCHOOL THAT HE WAS THE THE PREP SCHOOL THAT HE WAS THE HEAD MASTER OF IN NEW YORK CITY. HEAD MASTER OF IN NEW YORK CITY. EVEN IF THESE AREN’T A FORMAL EVEN IF THESE AREN’T A FORMAL RECUSAL CONFLICT ISSUE, IN RECUSAL CONFLICT ISSUE, IN COMBINATION, THEY CREATE SUCH AN COMBINATION, THEY CREATE SUCH AN APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY, THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SHOULD HAVE ATTORNEY GENERAL SHOULD HAVE STEPPED AWAY AND LET THE DEPUTY STEPPED AWAY AND LET THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL OR SOMEONE ELSE ATTORNEY GENERAL OR SOMEONE ELSE OVERSEE THIS MATTER. OVERSEE THIS MATTER.>>REPUBLICAN SENATOR BEN SASSE>>REPUBLICAN SENATOR BEN SASSE HAS CALLED UPON THE DEPARTMENT HAS CALLED UPON THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO TAKE THAT DEAL OF JUSTICE TO TAKE THAT DEAL THAT WAS CUT IN FLORIDA, THE ONE THAT WAS CUT IN FLORIDA, THE ONE THAT LED UP THE INVESTIGATION THAT LED UP THE INVESTIGATION INTO THAT REPORTING FROM THE INTO THAT REPORTING FROM THE “MIAMI HERALD” AND RIP IT UP. “MIAMI HERALD” AND RIP IT UP. TELL ME ABOUT THAT. TELL ME ABOUT THAT. IS THAT EVEN DOABLE? IS THAT EVEN DOABLE?>>WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN>>WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN HERE IS A FULL-ON INVESTIGATION HERE IS A FULL-ON INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT HAPPENED, AND PERHAPS INTO WHAT HAPPENED, AND PERHAPS AN INVESTIGATION BY THE OFFICE AN INVESTIGATION BY THE OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. YOU CAN’T REALLY BE THE YOU CAN’T REALLY BE THE GOVERNMENT AND RIP UP A PLEA GOVERNMENT AND RIP UP A PLEA AGREEMENT DOWN THE ROAD IN THE AGREEMENT DOWN THE ROAD IN THE ABSENCE OF VERY UNUSUAL ABSENCE OF VERY UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES. CIRCUMSTANCES.>>BECAUSE THAT AFFECTS YOUR>>BECAUSE THAT AFFECTS YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE OTHER DEALS? ABILITY TO MAKE OTHER DEALS?>>WELL, IT DOES.>>WELL, IT DOES. AND ALSO THE RULES OF CRIMINAL AND ALSO THE RULES OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE VERY STRONGLY FAVOR PROCEDURE VERY STRONGLY FAVOR THE FINALITY OF PLEA AGREEMENTS. THE FINALITY OF PLEA AGREEMENTS. SO YOU CAN’T WALK IN DOWN THE SO YOU CAN’T WALK IN DOWN THE ROAD A DECADE LATER AND SAY I ROAD A DECADE LATER AND SAY I TAKE IT BACK. TAKE IT BACK. BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT IF BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT IF YOU’RE SOMEONE WHO IS ENGAGED IN YOU’RE SOMEONE WHO IS ENGAGED IN CRIMINAL CONDUCT THAT YOU CAN’T CRIMINAL CONDUCT THAT YOU CAN’T BE PROSECUTED. BE PROSECUTED. IN THIS CASE, OTHER FEDERAL IN THIS CASE, OTHER FEDERAL DISTRICTS OR EVEN BY STATE DISTRICTS OR EVEN BY STATE JURISDICTION. JURISDICTION. SO IT’S NOT LIKE THE GOVERNMENT SO IT’S NOT LIKE THE GOVERNMENT IS WITHOUT A WAY OF DEALING WITH IS WITHOUT A WAY OF DEALING WITH THE ERROR THAT WAS MADE IN THE THE ERROR THAT WAS MADE IN THE PLEA AGREEMENT OR WOULD HAVE PLEA AGREEMENT OR WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD EPSTEIN NOT DIED IN BEEN HAD EPSTEIN NOT DIED IN PRISON. PRISON.>>YOU KNOW, USUALLY PROSECUTORS>>YOU KNOW, USUALLY PROSECUTORS WHEN YOU’RE TRYING TO GET WHEN YOU’RE TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY THE HEAD OF SOMETHING SOMEBODY THE HEAD OF SOMETHING WORK YOUR WAY UP, YOU FIND WORK YOUR WAY UP, YOU FIND PEOPLE WHO ARE JUNIOR TO THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE JUNIOR TO THAT PERSON AND GET THEM TO TURN OR PERSON AND GET THEM TO TURN OR GET THEM TO SOMEHOW TESTIFY. GET THEM TO SOMEHOW TESTIFY. NOW IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE NOW IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE JEFFREY EPSTEIN IS GONE, WE HAVE JEFFREY EPSTEIN IS GONE, WE HAVE BEEN HEARING SINCE DAY ONE THAT BEEN HEARING SINCE DAY ONE THAT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS THING. IN THIS THING. DOES THE INVESTIGATION THAT WAS DOES THE INVESTIGATION THAT WAS UNDER WAY WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN, UNDER WAY WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN, DOES THAT DIE AND DOES THAT HAVE DOES THAT DIE AND DOES THAT HAVE TO START AGAIN? TO START AGAIN? AND WHY HASN’T SOMETHING AND WHY HASN’T SOMETHING HAPPENED ALREADY GIVEN THAT WE HAPPENED ALREADY GIVEN THAT WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSISTENTLY PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSISTENTLY REFERRED TO BY THESE ALLEGED REFERRED TO BY THESE ALLEGED VICTIMS? VICTIMS?>>SO IN A FEDERAL CASE, WHEN A>>SO IN A FEDERAL CASE, WHEN A DEFENDANT DIES A CRIMINAL CASE, DEFENDANT DIES A CRIMINAL CASE, THE PROSECUTION COMES TO AN END. THE PROSECUTION COMES TO AN END. THAT’S TRUE EVEN IF EPSTEIN HAD THAT’S TRUE EVEN IF EPSTEIN HAD BEEN CONVICTED AT TRIAL AND THE BEEN CONVICTED AT TRIAL AND THE CASE HAD BEEN ON APPEAL AND HE CASE HAD BEEN ON APPEAL AND HE DIED ON APPEAL. DIED ON APPEAL. THE DEATH OF A DEFENDANT SIGNALS THE DEATH OF A DEFENDANT SIGNALS THE END OF THAT CASE. THE END OF THAT CASE. AS YOU POINT OUT, THOUGH, AS YOU POINT OUT, THOUGH, EPSTEIN WAS CHARGED AS A EPSTEIN WAS CHARGED AS A CO-CONSPIRATOR IN A SEX CO-CONSPIRATOR IN A SEX TRAFFICKING CONSPIRACY. TRAFFICKING CONSPIRACY. PRESUMABLY THAT MEANS THERE ARE PRESUMABLY THAT MEANS THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE CRIMINALLY CULPABLE CRIMINALLY CULPABLE CONSPIRATORS. CONSPIRATORS. AND I EXPECT BASED ON THE AND I EXPECT BASED ON THE STATEMENT MADE BY THE U.S. STATEMENT MADE BY THE U.S. ATTORNEY AND SOUTHERN DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, THAT AT THE POINT OF NEW YORK, THAT AT THE POINT WHERE HE BELIEVES HE HAS WHERE HE BELIEVES HE HAS SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO CONVICT SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO CONVICT THOSE CO-CONSPIRATORS, HE THOSE CO-CONSPIRATORS, HE INTENDS TO MOVE FORWARD EVEN

New Border Facilities Holding More Than 8,000 Migrants | Morning Joe | MSNBC


ON “MORNING JOE.DEAL WITH THE AF WEEK’S I.C.E. RAIDS, THERE’S WEEK’S I.C.E. RAIDS, THERE’S ANOTHER STORY HAPPENING IN THE ANOTHER STORY HAPPENING IN THE DEEP SOUTH THAT’S BEEN TAKING DEEP SOUTH THAT’S BEEN TAKING PLACE ALMOST ENTIRELY OUT OF PLACE ALMOST ENTIRELY OUT OF SIGHT. SIGHT. MORE THAN 8,000 MIGRANTS ARE NOW MORE THAN 8,000 MIGRANTS ARE NOW DETAINED IN THE STATES OF DETAINED IN THE STATES OF LOUISIANA AND MISSISSIPPI. LOUISIANA AND MISSISSIPPI. NEARLY FOUR TIMES THE NUMBER NEARLY FOUR TIMES THE NUMBER HELD THERE LAST YEAR. HELD THERE LAST YEAR. MORGAN RADFORD HAS BEEN WORKING MORGAN RADFORD HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS STORY. ON THIS STORY. WHAT MORE CAN YOU TELL US? WHAT MORE CAN YOU TELL US?>>WE HAVE BEEN DIGGING INTO>>WE HAVE BEEN DIGGING INTO THIS STORY FOR OVER A MONTH AND THIS STORY FOR OVER A MONTH AND BASICALLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS BASICALLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THAT THE NEW FIGHT OVER THE THAT THE NEW FIGHT OVER THE BORDER IS NOW 600 MILES AWAY BORDER IS NOW 600 MILES AWAY FROM THE BORDER AND IT’S TAKING FROM THE BORDER AND IT’S TAKING PLACE INSIDE THE DEEP SOUTH. PLACE INSIDE THE DEEP SOUTH. AND THESE FACILITIES, 13 NEW AND THESE FACILITIES, 13 NEW FACILITIES IN LOUISIANA AND FACILITIES IN LOUISIANA AND MISSISSIPPI, ARE HOLDING NOW MISSISSIPPI, ARE HOLDING NOW 8,000 DETAINEES, BUT THE THING 8,000 DETAINEES, BUT THE THING IS, THESE FACILITIES ARE POPPING IS, THESE FACILITIES ARE POPPING UP SO QUICKLY AND SO QUIETLY UP SO QUICKLY AND SO QUIETLY THAT A LOT OF THE IMMIGRATION THAT A LOT OF THE IMMIGRATION ATTORNEYS AND FAMILY MEMBERS SAY ATTORNEYS AND FAMILY MEMBERS SAY THEY’RE LIKE BLACK HOLES. THEY’RE LIKE BLACK HOLES. THEY’RE PLACES WHERE THE THEY’RE PLACES WHERE THE DETAINEES ARE UNREACHABLE FOR DETAINEES ARE UNREACHABLE FOR MONTHS AND IN REMOTE AREAS AND MONTHS AND IN REMOTE AREAS AND BARELY ANYONE KNOWS THAT THEY’RE BARELY ANYONE KNOWS THAT THEY’RE THERE. THERE. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.>>Reporter: ALONG THE WINDING>>Reporter: ALONG THE WINDING ROADS OF THE AMERICAN DEEP ROADS OF THE AMERICAN DEEP SOUTH, THE IMMIGRATION BATTLE SOUTH, THE IMMIGRATION BATTLE HAS A NEW FRONT LINE. HAS A NEW FRONT LINE.>>SO THIS IS THE FACILITY WHERE>>SO THIS IS THE FACILITY WHERE HE’S STAYING. HE’S STAYING. THIS IS ADAMS COUNTY THIS IS ADAMS COUNTY CORRECTIONAL CENTER IN CORRECTIONAL CENTER IN MISSISSIPPI, A PRIVATE PRISON MISSISSIPPI, A PRIVATE PRISON NOW CONTRACTED TO IMMIGRATION NOW CONTRACTED TO IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT. AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT. WE ARE OUTSIDE OF ONE OF THE WE ARE OUTSIDE OF ONE OF THE DETENTION CENTERS HERE IN DETENTION CENTERS HERE IN MISSISSIPPI. MISSISSIPPI. IT’S MORE THAN ONE OF A DOZEN IT’S MORE THAN ONE OF A DOZEN SUCH FACILITIES IN LOIDSUISIANA SUCH FACILITIES IN LOIDSUISIANA MISSISSIPPI. MISSISSIPPI. NOW HOLDING MORE THAN 8,000 NOW HOLDING MORE THAN 8,000 I.C.E. DETAINEES, ACCORDING TO I.C.E. DETAINEES, ACCORDING TO NEW DATA SHARED BY I.C.E. WITH NEW DATA SHARED BY I.C.E. WITH NBC NEWS. NBC NEWS. THAT HAS BEEN HAS ALMOST KWAU THAT HAS BEEN HAS ALMOST KWAU DRUP LD. DRUP LD. THIS IS ONE OF EIGHT ATTORNEYS THIS IS ONE OF EIGHT ATTORNEYS IN LOUISIANA WHO ARE ABLE TO IN LOUISIANA WHO ARE ABLE TO REPRESENT ADULT DETAINEES FOR REPRESENT ADULT DETAINEES FOR FREE IN IMMIGRATION COURT. FREE IN IMMIGRATION COURT. THERE ARE NONE IN MISSISSIPPI. THERE ARE NONE IN MISSISSIPPI. THAT’S WHY SHE’S DRIVING ACROSS THAT’S WHY SHE’S DRIVING ACROSS STATE LINES TO VISIT HER CLIENT STATE LINES TO VISIT HER CLIENT DETAINED JUST BEHIND THESE DETAINED JUST BEHIND THESE WALLS. WALLS.>>HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE YOU TO>>HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE YOU TO GO SEE YOUR CLIENT? GO SEE YOUR CLIENT?>>THIS IS GOING TO TAKE US>>THIS IS GOING TO TAKE US ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF. ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF.>>EACH WAY.>>EACH WAY. SHE AND OTHER LAWYERS HAVE SHE AND OTHER LAWYERS HAVE REFERRED TO THE FACILITIES HAS REFERRED TO THE FACILITIES HAS BLACK HOLES WHERE THEY SAY BLACK HOLES WHERE THEY SAY DETAINEES CAN BE UNREACHABLE FOR DETAINEES CAN BE UNREACHABLE FOR DAYS AND DETAINED FOR MONTHS. DAYS AND DETAINED FOR MONTHS. A CLAIM THAT I.C.E. DISPUTES, A CLAIM THAT I.C.E. DISPUTES, SAYING IN A STATEMENT TO NBC SAYING IN A STATEMENT TO NBC NEWS, ANY CLAIM THAT I.C.E. NEWS, ANY CLAIM THAT I.C.E. DENIES INDIVIDUALS ACCESS TO DENIES INDIVIDUALS ACCESS TO LEGAL COUNSEL IS FALSE. LEGAL COUNSEL IS FALSE. ADDING, I.C.E. BEGAN USING NEW ADDING, I.C.E. BEGAN USING NEW FACILITIES IN LOUISIANA AND FACILITIES IN LOUISIANA AND MISSISSIPPI THIS YEAR TO HOUSE MISSISSIPPI THIS YEAR TO HOUSE THE INCREASED NUMBER OF PERSONS THE INCREASED NUMBER OF PERSONS ENCOUNTERED AT THE SOUTHERN ENCOUNTERED AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER. BORDER. FOR FAMILY MEMBERS, THE WEIGHT FOR FAMILY MEMBERS, THE WEIGHT IS UNBEARABLE. IS UNBEARABLE.>>Translator: IT’S LIKE YOU>>Translator: IT’S LIKE YOU ENTERED A CEMETERY, LIKE YOU ENTERED A CEMETERY, LIKE YOU DIED IN THERE. DIED IN THERE.>>HER BROTHER IS EMILY’S>>HER BROTHER IS EMILY’S CLIENT. CLIENT. ONCE A DOCTOR IN CUBA, HE FLED ONCE A DOCTOR IN CUBA, HE FLED POLITICAL PERSECUTION AND POLITICAL PERSECUTION AND PRESENTED HIMSELF AT THE BORDER PRESENTED HIMSELF AT THE BORDER IN TEXAS LAST YEAR. IN TEXAS LAST YEAR. WITH NO WARNING, HE WAS MOVED TO WITH NO WARNING, HE WAS MOVED TO LOUISIANA AND THEN MISSISSIPPI. LOUISIANA AND THEN MISSISSIPPI. HE’S BEEN LOCKED UP FOR TEN HE’S BEEN LOCKED UP FOR TEN MONTHS WHILE APPEALING FOR MONTHS WHILE APPEALING FOR ASYLUM AFTER I.C.E. DENIED HIM ASYLUM AFTER I.C.E. DENIED HIM PAROLE. PAROLE.>>WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IF YOU>>WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO A GOVERNMENT COULD SPEAK TO A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL? OFFICIAL? THEY NEED TO CHECK OUT THESE THEY NEED TO CHECK OUT THESE GOVERNMENT CENTERS, ESPECIALLY GOVERNMENT CENTERS, ESPECIALLY LOUISIANA. LOUISIANA. YOU CAME LOOKING FOR LIBERTY YOU CAME LOOKING FOR LIBERTY BECAUSE THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BECAUSE THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE COUNTRY OF FREEDOM. THE COUNTRY OF FREEDOM. IF YOU HAD A MESSAGE FOR YOUR IF YOU HAD A MESSAGE FOR YOUR BROTHER, WHAT WOULD IT BE? BROTHER, WHAT WOULD IT BE? THAT YOU’RE FIGHTING FOR HIM? THAT YOU’RE FIGHTING FOR HIM? AND YOU’RE GOING TO KEEP AND YOU’RE GOING TO KEEP FIGHTING FOR HIM. FIGHTING FOR HIM.>>A FIGHT THAT’S PLAYING OUT BY>>A FIGHT THAT’S PLAYING OUT BY THE THOUSANDS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THE THOUSANDS ACROSS THE COUNTRY HUNDREDS OF MILES AWAY FROM THE HUNDREDS OF MILES AWAY FROM THE BORDER. BORDER.>>SO WILLY, THE QUESTION HERE>>SO WILLY, THE QUESTION HERE IS ALSO THE LENGTH OF STAY. IS ALSO THE LENGTH OF STAY. SINCE 2016, THE PA ROLLS THAT SINCE 2016, THE PA ROLLS THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED HAVE DECREASED HAVE BEEN GRANTED HAVE DECREASED FROM 75% TO 1% AND THAT’S IN THE FROM 75% TO 1% AND THAT’S IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. LAST FEW YEARS. SO THAT BASICALLY MEANS IF SO THAT BASICALLY MEANS IF YOU’RE APPLYING FOR ASYLUM AND YOU’RE APPLYING FOR ASYLUM AND I.C.E. OR DHS DOES NOT GRANT YOU I.C.E. OR DHS DOES NOT GRANT YOU PAROLE, YOU’RE THERE PAROLE, YOU’RE THERE INDEFINITELY. INDEFINITELY.>>GREAT PIECE OF REPORTING.>>GREAT PIECE OF REPORTING. SO THE BROTHER IN THE PIECE HERE SO THE BROTHER IN THE PIECE HERE OF THE WOMAN THAT YOU WERE OF THE WOMAN THAT YOU WERE SPEAKING TO, HE PRESENTED SPEAKING TO, HE PRESENTED HIMSELF AT A PORT OF ENTRY, IS HIMSELF AT A PORT OF ENTRY, IS THAT CORRECT, FLEEING POLITICAL THAT CORRECT, FLEEING POLITICAL PERSECUTION? PERSECUTION?>>THAT’S CORRECT, MOST OF THE>>THAT’S CORRECT, MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE IN THERE BECAUSE THEY PEOPLE ARE IN THERE BECAUSE THEY SAID I AM PRESENTING MYSELF SAID I AM PRESENTING MYSELF LEGALLY. LEGALLY. HE WENT TO THE PORT OF ENTRY IN HE WENT TO THE PORT OF ENTRY IN TEXAS AND THIS MAN IS A DOCTOR. TEXAS AND THIS MAN IS A DOCTOR. MY DAD’S FAMILY CAME BY WAY OF MY DAD’S FAMILY CAME BY WAY OF CUBA, HE SAID I WAS BACK IN MY CUBA, HE SAID I WAS BACK IN MY COUNTRY TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE, I COUNTRY TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE, I TOOK AN OATH. TOOK AN OATH. I AM A DOCTOR. I AM A DOCTOR. AND WHEN I CAME HERE I WANTED TO AND WHEN I CAME HERE I WANTED TO DO IT LAWFULLY AND I WANTED TO DO IT LAWFULLY AND I WANTED TO HELP PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES HELP PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES AND THIS IS WHAT’S HAPPENED TO AND THIS IS WHAT’S HAPPENED TO ME. ME.>>WE’VE HEARD ABOUT THE>>WE’VE HEARD ABOUT THE DETENTION FACILITIES ALONG THE DETENTION FACILITIES ALONG THE BORDER AND WE’VE SEEN THE BORDER AND WE’VE SEEN THE CONDITIONS INSIDE THE CONDITIONS INSIDE THE FACILITIES. FACILITIES. IS WASHINGTON AWARE, AS FAR AS IS WASHINGTON AWARE, AS FAR AS YOU CAN TELL? YOU CAN TELL? IS CONGRESS TALKING ABOUT THESE IS CONGRESS TALKING ABOUT THESE FACILITIES. FACILITIES.>>SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN>>SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN WROTE A LETTER TO DHS BASICALLY WROTE A LETTER TO DHS BASICALLY RAISING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT RAISING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE NEW FACILITIES, AGAIN THE THESE NEW FACILITIES, AGAIN THE ONES THAT ATTORNEYS HAVE SAID ONES THAT ATTORNEYS HAVE SAID HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP QUICKLY. HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP QUICKLY. SHE GAVE THEM UNTIL JULY 25th TO SHE GAVE THEM UNTIL JULY 25th TO RESPOND AND AS OF THIS MORNING, RESPOND AND AS OF THIS MORNING, HER OFFICE HAS STILL NOT HEARD HER OFFICE HAS STILL NOT HEARD BACK. BACK.>>THANK YOU FOR PUTTING A

A Republican Since 1979 Is Now Leaving The Party | Morning Joe | MSNBC


>>>I VIEW THE WORD CONSERVATIVE>>>I VIEW THE WORD CONSERVATIVE AS DERIVATIVE OF THE WORD AS DERIVATIVE OF THE WORD CONSERVATIVE. CONSERVATIVE. WE WANT TO CONSERVE OUR MONEY, WE WANT TO CONSERVE OUR MONEY, WE WANT TO CONSERVE OUR WEALTH. WE WANT TO CONSERVE OUR WEALTH. WE WANT TO BE SMART, WHERE WE WE WANT TO BE SMART, WHERE WE GO, HOW WE SPEND. GO, HOW WE SPEND. WE WANT TO CONSERVE OUR COUNTRY. WE WANT TO CONSERVE OUR COUNTRY.>>DONALD TRUMP THERE DURING THE>>DONALD TRUMP THERE DURING THE 2016 CAMPAIGN AND WHAT IT MEANS 2016 CAMPAIGN AND WHAT IT MEANS TO HIM TO BE A CONSERVATIVE. TO HIM TO BE A CONSERVATIVE. WITH US NOW, WE HAVE COLUMNIST WITH US NOW, WE HAVE COLUMNIST AND EDITOR AT THE “WASHINGTON AND EDITOR AT THE “WASHINGTON POST” RUTH MARCUS. POST” RUTH MARCUS. AND PROFESSOR AT THE U.S. NAVAL AND PROFESSOR AT THE U.S. NAVAL WAR COLLEGE AND AUTHOR OF THE WAR COLLEGE AND AUTHOR OF THE BOOK “THE DEATH OF EXPERTISE” BOOK “THE DEATH OF EXPERTISE” TOM NICHOLS JOINS US. TOM NICHOLS JOINS US. LET’S START WITH THE PIECE. LET’S START WITH THE PIECE. YOU WRITE, UNLIKE SENATOR SUSAN YOU WRITE, UNLIKE SENATOR SUSAN COLLINS WHO TOOK PAGES OF TEXT COLLINS WHO TOOK PAGES OF TEXT ON NATIONAL TELEVISION TO TELL ON NATIONAL TELEVISION TO TELL US SOMETHING WE ALREADY KNEW, I US SOMETHING WE ALREADY KNEW, I WILL CUT RIGHT TO THE CHASE. WILL CUT RIGHT TO THE CHASE. I’M OUT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I’M OUT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. THEY HAVE BECOME ALL ABOUT THEY HAVE BECOME ALL ABOUT WINNING. WINNING. WINNING MEANS NOT LOSING. WINNING MEANS NOT LOSING. INSTEAD OF ACTING LIKE A COEQUAL INSTEAD OF ACTING LIKE A COEQUAL BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT RESPONSIBLE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT RESPONSIBLE FOR ADVICE AND CONSENT, FOR ADVICE AND CONSENT, CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS NOW CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS NOW ACT LIKE A PARLIAMENTARY PARTY ACT LIKE A PARLIAMENTARY PARTY FACING THE CONSTANT THREAT OF A FACING THE CONSTANT THREAT OF A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE. VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE. SO I’M OUT. SO I’M OUT. THE TRUMPERS AND THE HUCKSTERS THE TRUMPERS AND THE HUCKSTERS AND THE CONSULTANTS AND THE AND THE CONSULTANTS AND THE HANGERS ON LIKE A COLONY OF BEES HANGERS ON LIKE A COLONY OF BEES WHO EXIST ONLY TO STING AND DIE WHO EXIST ONLY TO STING AND DIE HAVE SWARMED TOGETHER IN A HAVE SWARMED TOGETHER IN A DANGEROUS BUT SUICIDAL CLOUD. DANGEROUS BUT SUICIDAL CLOUD. AND WHEN THAT MINDLESS HIGH AND WHEN THAT MINDLESS HIGH FINALLY EXTINGUISHES ITSELF IN A FINALLY EXTINGUISHES ITSELF IN A BLAZE OF VENOM, THERE WILL BE BLAZE OF VENOM, THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFT. NOTHING LEFT. ALL RIGHT THEN. ALL RIGHT THEN.>>TOM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR>>TOM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US. BEING WITH US. I WANTED YOU TO BE ON AFTER I I WANTED YOU TO BE ON AFTER I NOTICED I HAD RETWEETED YOU NOTICED I HAD RETWEETED YOU ABOUT 14 TIMES IN ONE AFTERNOON. ABOUT 14 TIMES IN ONE AFTERNOON. SOON AFTER I DID, THEN OF COURSE SOON AFTER I DID, THEN OF COURSE THE PUNCH LINE CAME AND THAT WAS THE PUNCH LINE CAME AND THAT WAS THAT YOU WERE LEAVING THE THAT YOU WERE LEAVING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. REPUBLICAN PARTY. I THOUGHT ONE OF YOUR MOST I THOUGHT ONE OF YOUR MOST INTERESTING AND IMPORTANT POINTS INTERESTING AND IMPORTANT POINTS IS THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BECAME WHAT THEY HATED. BECAME WHAT THEY HATED. AND THAT IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE AND THAT IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO ACHIEVE BY THAT WANTED TO ACHIEVE BY JUDICIAL FIAT THAT WHICH THEY JUDICIAL FIAT THAT WHICH THEY COULDN’T ACHIEVE AT THE VOTING COULDN’T ACHIEVE AT THE VOTING BOOTH. BOOTH.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. IT’S REALLY REMARKABLE THE WAY IT’S REALLY REMARKABLE THE WAY THAT THE REPUBLICANS AND THAT THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS HAVE SWITCHED ROLES DEMOCRATS HAVE SWITCHED ROLES HERE IN THAT THE REPUBLICANS NOW HERE IN THAT THE REPUBLICANS NOW ACT LIKE THEY’RE AN EMBATTLED ACT LIKE THEY’RE AN EMBATTLED CULTURAL MINORITY THAT IS CULTURAL MINORITY THAT IS CONSTANTLY ON THE VERGE OF CONSTANTLY ON THE VERGE OF EXTINCTION AND THAT THEREFORE EXTINCTION AND THAT THEREFORE THEY HAVE SO LITTLE FAITH IN THEY HAVE SO LITTLE FAITH IN THEIR OWN IDEAS AND THEIR THEIR OWN IDEAS AND THEIR ABILITY TO ACHIEVE WHAT THEY ABILITY TO ACHIEVE WHAT THEY WANT THROUGH LEGISLATION, THAT WANT THROUGH LEGISLATION, THAT THEIR ENTIRE RATIONALE FOR BEING THEIR ENTIRE RATIONALE FOR BEING HAS BEEN TO ENGAGE IN THE RAW HAS BEEN TO ENGAGE IN THE RAW EXERCISE OF POWER TO PUT JUDGES EXERCISE OF POWER TO PUT JUDGES IN PLACES, UNELECTED JUDGES. IN PLACES, UNELECTED JUDGES. REMEMBER, REPUBLICANS USED TO REMEMBER, REPUBLICANS USED TO COMPLAIN ALL THE TIME ABOUT COMPLAIN ALL THE TIME ABOUT UNELECTED JUDGES, TO CARRY UNELECTED JUDGES, TO CARRY FORWARD THEIR AGENDA EVEN AFTER FORWARD THEIR AGENDA EVEN AFTER THEY’RE GONE. THEY’RE GONE.>>THE JUDICIAL FIAT THAT THEY>>THE JUDICIAL FIAT THAT THEY WANT ACHIEVED WOULD BE OF COURSE WANT ACHIEVED WOULD BE OF COURSE THE OVERTURNING OF ROE V WADE, THE OVERTURNING OF ROE V WADE, SOMETHING THAT OVER 60% OF SOMETHING THAT OVER 60% OF AMERICANS OPPOSE. AMERICANS OPPOSE. YET THAT’S AT THE END OF THE YET THAT’S AT THE END OF THE DAY, AT LEAST ON TWITTER WITH A DAY, AT LEAST ON TWITTER WITH A LOT OF CONSERVATIVE ACTACTIVISTS LOT OF CONSERVATIVE ACTACTIVISTS THAT’S WHAT THIS FIGHT HAS BEEN THAT’S WHAT THIS FIGHT HAS BEEN PRIMARILY ABOUT, GETTING THIS PRIMARILY ABOUT, GETTING THIS JUDGE TO DO SOMETHING THAT 6 IN JUDGE TO DO SOMETHING THAT 6 IN 10 AMERICANS OPPOSE. 10 AMERICANS OPPOSE.>>I DON’T REPRESENT ANY VIEWS>>I DON’T REPRESENT ANY VIEWS HERE BUT MY OWN. HERE BUT MY OWN. I THINK THAT THE RATIONALIZATION I THINK THAT THE RATIONALIZATION OF REPUBLICANS AND ROE V WADE IS OF REPUBLICANS AND ROE V WADE IS HOW REPUBLICANS HAVE HOW REPUBLICANS HAVE RATIONALIZED LIVES OF IMMENSE RATIONALIZED LIVES OF IMMENSE HYPOCRISY. HYPOCRISY. THEY ARE CLAIMING THEY ARE THEY ARE CLAIMING THEY ARE ENGAGED IN A PROJECT SO ENGAGED IN A PROJECT SO IMPORTANT THAT IT EXCUSES ALL IMPORTANT THAT IT EXCUSES ALL OTHER SINS, WHETHER IT’S DONALD OTHER SINS, WHETHER IT’S DONALD TRUMP’S CHARACTER OR TARIFFS OR TRUMP’S CHARACTER OR TARIFFS OR CAVING TO RUSSIA. CAVING TO RUSSIA. IF PUSHES AGAINST THE WALL THEY IF PUSHES AGAINST THE WALL THEY SAY, YES, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE SAY, YES, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE TRUE, BUT I’M DOING IT BECAUSE TRUE, BUT I’M DOING IT BECAUSE OF THE FUTURE OF UNBORN CHILDREN OF THE FUTURE OF UNBORN CHILDREN AND THAT EXCUSES EVERYTHING. AND THAT EXCUSES EVERYTHING. I’M NOT SURE I BELIEVE IN THE I’M NOT SURE I BELIEVE IN THE SINCERITY OF A LOT OF THE FOLKS SINCERITY OF A LOT OF THE FOLKS WHO SAY THAT. WHO SAY THAT. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT, BUT I ALSO DO BELIEVE THAT, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT’S ALL THEY’RE LEFT THINK THAT’S ALL THEY’RE LEFT WITH, IS TO SAY I’M GOING TO GET WITH, IS TO SAY I’M GOING TO GET A JUDGE THAT’S GOING TO DO THESE A JUDGE THAT’S GOING TO DO THESE THINGS AND THAT’S WHY I’M THINGS AND THAT’S WHY I’M ACCEPTING ALL THIS OTHER ACCEPTING ALL THIS OTHER TERRIBLE STUFF. TERRIBLE STUFF.>>A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES, IT>>A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES, IT APPEARS TO BE FEWER AND FEWER APPEARS TO BE FEWER AND FEWER CONSERVATIVES. CONSERVATIVES. LET ME READ ANOTHER PART OF YOUR LET ME READ ANOTHER PART OF YOUR PIECE. PIECE. LET ME SAY I HAVE NO LOVE FOR LET ME SAY I HAVE NO LOVE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHICH IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHICH IS TORN BETWEEN TOTALITARIAN TORN BETWEEN TOTALITARIAN INSTINCTS ON ONE SIDE AND INSTINCTS ON ONE SIDE AND COMPLETE POLITICAL MALPRACTICE COMPLETE POLITICAL MALPRACTICE ON THE OTHER. ON THE OTHER. TALK ABOUT PICKING YOUR POISON. TALK ABOUT PICKING YOUR POISON. RIGHT NOW FOR SO MANY ACTUALLY RIGHT NOW FOR SO MANY ACTUALLY REAL CONSERVATIVES WHO BELIEVE REAL CONSERVATIVES WHO BELIEVE IN LIMITED GOVERNMENT, THERE IN LIMITED GOVERNMENT, THERE JUST IS NO GOOD CHOICE OUT THERE JUST IS NO GOOD CHOICE OUT THERE IF THE ONLY CHOICE IS BETWEEN IF THE ONLY CHOICE IS BETWEEN THE. THE.>>THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE>>THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE SEINE TRYSTCENTRISTS TO JOIN FOR SEINE TRYSTCENTRISTS TO JOIN FOR AS BEST THEY CAN. AS BEST THEY CAN. THE REPUBLICANS ARE ACTING LIKE THE REPUBLICANS ARE ACTING LIKE A PARLIAMENTARY PARTY ALL THE A PARLIAMENTARY PARTY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO STATE LEGISLATURES WAY DOWN TO STATE LEGISLATURES AND TOWN HALLS. AND TOWN HALLS. WE’RE LOSING THE WHOLE NOTION OF WE’RE LOSING THE WHOLE NOTION OF SEPARATED POWERS AND FEDERALISM SEPARATED POWERS AND FEDERALISM AND I THINK IT HAS TO STOP. AND I THINK IT HAS TO STOP.>>YOU WORK AT THE NAVAL WAR>>YOU WORK AT THE NAVAL WAR COLLEGE IN RHODE ISLAND, ONCE COLLEGE IN RHODE ISLAND, ONCE REPRESENTED BY A CLASSIC EASTERN REPRESENTED BY A CLASSIC EASTERN REPUBLICAN JOHN CHAFY. REPUBLICAN JOHN CHAFY. YOU’VE MADE THIS DECLARATION YOU’VE MADE THIS DECLARATION YOU’RE NO LONGER A MEMBER OF YOU’RE NO LONGER A MEMBER OF THAT PARTY. THAT PARTY. HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE COME UP TO HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE COME UP TO YOU AND SAID, WHAT TOOK YOU SO YOU AND SAID, WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG? LONG?>>THAT’S REALLY SUCH — THAT’S>>THAT’S REALLY SUCH — THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS I INSTANTLY ONE OF THE THINGS I INSTANTLY MUTE ON TWITTER WHEN SOMEONE MUTE ON TWITTER WHEN SOMEONE SAYS WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG. SAYS WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG. I’VE BEEN A REPUBLICAN SINCE I’VE BEEN A REPUBLICAN SINCE 1979. 1979. TO LEAVE A PARTY YOU’VE BEEN A TO LEAVE A PARTY YOU’VE BEEN A MEMBER OF FOR 40 YEARS IS NOT MEMBER OF FOR 40 YEARS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU TAKE LIGHTLY. SOMETHING YOU TAKE LIGHTLY. I THINK I FINALLY LEFT FOR GOOD. I THINK I FINALLY LEFT FOR GOOD. I WAS ES STANGTRANGED FROM THE P I WAS ES STANGTRANGED FROM THE P AFTER THE 2012 ELECTIONS. AFTER THE 2012 ELECTIONS. BUT TO LEAVE FOR GOOD REQUIRED BUT TO LEAVE FOR GOOD REQUIRED ME TO SAY THERE IS NO FUTURE IN ME TO SAY THERE IS NO FUTURE IN THIS PARTY. THIS PARTY. THERE’S NOTHING FOR ME THAT WHEN THERE’S NOTHING FOR ME THAT WHEN ALL THIS IS OVER I CAN IDENTIFY ALL THIS IS OVER I CAN IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE THAT I’M GOING TO THE PEOPLE THAT I’M GOING TO GRAVITATE TO TO RECONSTITUTE THE GRAVITATE TO TO RECONSTITUTE THE PARTY. PARTY. NO PARTY IS PERFECT. NO PARTY IS PERFECT. THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS ABOUT THE THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY I’VE NEVER REPUBLICAN PARTY I’VE NEVER LIKED, THINGS I’VE ALWAYS LIKED. LIKED, THINGS I’VE ALWAYS LIKED. BUT THIS IS WHERE I FINALLY CAME BUT THIS IS WHERE I FINALLY CAME TO BELIEF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO BELIEF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY CANNOT RECOVER FROM THE CANNOT RECOVER FROM THE COMPROMISES THAT IT’S MADE. COMPROMISES THAT IT’S MADE. AT SOME POINT, YOU SELL YOUR AT SOME POINT, YOU SELL YOUR SOUL, YOU DON’T GET IT BACK. SOUL, YOU DON’T GET IT BACK.>>AS YOU KNOW, I’M OPTIMISTIC.>>AS YOU KNOW, I’M OPTIMISTIC. I BELIEVE THAT THINGS CAN ALWAYS I BELIEVE THAT THINGS CAN ALWAYS GET BETTER, THAT THIS COUNTRY GET BETTER, THAT THIS COUNTRY AND POLITICAL PARTIES CAN TURN AND POLITICAL PARTIES CAN TURN THE CORNER. THE CORNER. BUT REALLY WHO IS THERE IN THE BUT REALLY WHO IS THERE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT HASN’T REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT HASN’T ALREADY SOLD THEIR SOUL TO ALREADY SOLD THEIR SOUL TO DONALD TRUMP? DONALD TRUMP?>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>JUST BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP IS>>JUST BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO LEAVE POWER SOONER OR GOING TO LEAVE POWER SOONER OR LATER, WHO DO YOU ASSOCIATE LATER, WHO DO YOU ASSOCIATE YOURSELF WITH? YOURSELF WITH? MIKE PENCE. MIKE PENCE. IS MIKE PENCE PRESIDENTIAL IS MIKE PENCE PRESIDENTIAL TIMBER AFTER HE SOLD HIS SOUL TO TIMBER AFTER HE SOLD HIS SOUL TO DONALD TRUMP? DONALD TRUMP? WHAT SENATOR, LINDSEY GRAHAM? WHAT SENATOR, LINDSEY GRAHAM? WE COULD GO DOWN THE LIST. WE COULD GO DOWN THE LIST. UNFORTUNATELY NOBODY HAS STOOD UNFORTUNATELY NOBODY HAS STOOD UP TO THE ABSOLUTE WORST UP TO THE ABSOLUTE WORST INSTINCTS AND THE BREACHING OF INSTINCTS AND THE BREACHING OF CONSTITUTIONAL NORMS OF DONALD CONSTITUTIONAL NORMS OF DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP.>>WE ASK TIME AND TIME AGAIN>>WE ASK TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHY MANY OF THESE REPUBLICANS WHY MANY OF THESE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE SO COMPLICIT DON’T SEE WHO ARE SO COMPLICIT DON’T SEE HOW THIS IS GOING TO END. HOW THIS IS GOING TO END. IT CAN’T END WELL. IT CAN’T END WELL. I CAN’T THINK OF A POSITIVE I CAN’T THINK OF A POSITIVE ENDING. ENDING. RUTH MARCUS, DOES THIS OPEN THE RUTH MARCUS, DOES THIS OPEN THE DOOR FOR AN INDEPENDENT DOOR FOR AN INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE? CANDIDATE? WHERE IS THIS GOING? WHERE IS THIS GOING? BECAUSE IT DOESN’T FEEL LIKE BECAUSE IT DOESN’T FEEL LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT POLLING AND THE WHEN YOU LOOK AT POLLING AND THE MIDTERMS AND THE SENATE, IT MIDTERMS AND THE SENATE, IT DOESN’T FEEL LIKE THE DEMOCRATS DOESN’T FEEL LIKE THE DEMOCRATS HAVE AN INCREDIBLY STRONG, HAVE AN INCREDIBLY STRONG, STURDY RESPONSE TO ALL OF THIS STURDY RESPONSE TO ALL OF THIS IN THE FORM OF A LEADER. IN THE FORM OF A LEADER.>>THE ROAD FOR AN INDEPENDENT>>THE ROAD FOR AN INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE IS A REALLY UPHILL CANDIDATE IS A REALLY UPHILL ROAD. ROAD. LOOK AT MICHAEL BLOOMBERG WHO LOOK AT MICHAEL BLOOMBERG WHO HAS PROBABLY SPENT MORE TIME AND HAS PROBABLY SPENT MORE TIME AND MONEY EXAMINING THAT ROAD THAN MONEY EXAMINING THAT ROAD THAN ANYBODY ELSE. ANYBODY ELSE. AND HE SEEMS TO HAVE CONCLUDED AND HE SEEMS TO HAVE CONCLUDED IF HE’S GOING TO RUN FOR IF HE’S GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT, IT’S GOING TO BE AS A PRESIDENT, IT’S GOING TO BE AS A DEMOCRAT. DEMOCRAT. THERE’S A SUPER CROWDED THERE’S A SUPER CROWDED DEMOCRATIC FIELD. DEMOCRATIC FIELD. HOW THAT SHAKES ITSELF OUT IS HOW THAT SHAKES ITSELF OUT IS REALLY UP IN THE AIR. REALLY UP IN THE AIR. BUT I SHARE BOTH JOE’S OPTIMISM BUT I SHARE BOTH JOE’S OPTIMISM AND HIS WORRY. AND HIS WORRY. I HAVE THOUGHT THAT OUR I HAVE THOUGHT THAT OUR CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM IS REALLY CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM IS REALLY RESILIENT, BUT THE SHAKIEST LEG RESILIENT, BUT THE SHAKIEST LEG OF THE STOOL HAS BEEN THE OF THE STOOL HAS BEEN THE FECKLESS LEGISLATIVE BRANCH AND FECKLESS LEGISLATIVE BRANCH AND THE ABSOLUTE UNWILLINGNESS OF THE ABSOLUTE UNWILLINGNESS OF SENATORS AND HOUSE MEMBERS TO SENATORS AND HOUSE MEMBERS TO STAND UP TO PRESIDENT TRUMP. STAND UP TO PRESIDENT TRUMP. AND WE’VE SEEN THAT ON DISPLAY. AND WE’VE SEEN THAT ON DISPLAY. NOW I’M ADDING FOR MY OWN JUST NOW I’M ADDING FOR MY OWN JUST TO KIND OF CHEER EVERYBODY UP A TO KIND OF CHEER EVERYBODY UP A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, A NEW WORRY, LITTLE BIT FURTHER, A NEW WORRY, NOT ABOUT HOW THE COURT IS GOING NOT ABOUT HOW THE COURT IS GOING TO FUNCTION INTERNATIONALLY, TO FUNCTION INTERNATIONALLY, BECAUSE THE JUSTICES WILL MANAGE BECAUSE THE JUSTICES WILL MANAGE TO FORGET WHAT THEY SAW IN TO FORGET WHAT THEY SAW IN JUSTICE KAVANAUGH’S TESTIMONY JUSTICE KAVANAUGH’S TESTIMONY AND COOPERATE WITH HIM. AND COOPERATE WITH HIM. BUT IN TERMS OF THE COUNTRY’S BUT IN TERMS OF THE COUNTRY’S PERCEPTION OF THE COURT AS A PERCEPTION OF THE COURT AS A LEGITIMATE NON-PARTISAN LEGITIMATE NON-PARTISAN INSTITUTION, JUSTICE KAVANAUGH INSTITUTION, JUSTICE KAVANAUGH TALKED ABOUT THAT HIMSELF, BUT I TALKED ABOUT THAT HIMSELF, BUT I REALLY FEAR HE’S DONE GRAVE REALLY FEAR HE’S DONE GRAVE DAMAGE TO THAT. DAMAGE TO THAT.>>TOM, IT’S ALWAYS HARD TO>>TOM, IT’S ALWAYS HARD TO LEAVE YOUR TRIBE. LEAVE YOUR TRIBE. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, WHICH I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, WHICH IS THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE SEEN IS THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE SEEN LEAVE THE TRIBE IN THE TRUMP LEAVE THE TRIBE IN THE TRUMP ERA, PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND JOE AND ERA, PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND JOE AND BILL CRYSTAL AND MAX BOOT, IT’S BILL CRYSTAL AND MAX BOOT, IT’S INTELLECTUALS, WRITERS, PEOPLE INTELLECTUALS, WRITERS, PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA. IN THE MEDIA. THE PRESIDENT IS EXTRAORDINARILY THE PRESIDENT IS EXTRAORDINARILY POPULAR AMONG THE RANK AND FILE, POPULAR AMONG THE RANK AND FILE, PERHAPS MORE SO THAN ANY OTHER PERHAPS MORE SO THAN ANY OTHER PRESIDENT IN YEARS AND YEARS AND PRESIDENT IN YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. YEARS. AND THOSE INCLUDE VOTERS WHO AND THOSE INCLUDE VOTERS WHO HAVE VOTED FOR PEOPLE LIKE MITT HAVE VOTED FOR PEOPLE LIKE MITT ROMNEY AND JOHN McCAIN. ROMNEY AND JOHN McCAIN. HAS THE PARTY CHANGED, OR HAS HAS THE PARTY CHANGED, OR HAS TRUMP KIND OF PULLED SOMETHING TRUMP KIND OF PULLED SOMETHING OUT OF THE PARTY THAT WAS THERE OUT OF THE PARTY THAT WAS THERE AND LATENT OR THERE AND A AND LATENT OR THERE AND A MINORITY PART OF THE PARTY AND MINORITY PART OF THE PARTY AND MADE IT THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THE MADE IT THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THE PARTY? PARTY?>>I THINK THERE WAS ALWAYS>>I THINK THERE WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING IN THE PARTY THAT SOMETHING IN THE PARTY THAT RESENTED COASTAL ELITES, RESENTED COASTAL ELITES, INTELLECTUALS, BUT THAT WE HAD A INTELLECTUALS, BUT THAT WE HAD A LARGER — WE HAD AN UNEASY LARGER — WE HAD AN UNEASY ALLIANCE AMONG OURSELVES BECAUSE ALLIANCE AMONG OURSELVES BECAUSE I THINK WE SHARED SOME BASIC I THINK WE SHARED SOME BASIC VALUES. VALUES. I THINK TRUMP HAS TURNED THE I THINK TRUMP HAS TURNED THE REPUBLICAN PROJECT THAT WAS REPUBLICAN PROJECT THAT WAS CONCEPTUALIZED DURING THE REAGAN CONCEPTUALIZED DURING THE REAGAN ERA AS POSITIVE. ERA AS POSITIVE. NOW IT’S WE NO LONGER HAVE NOW IT’S WE NO LONGER HAVE THINGS TO ACHIEVE. THINGS TO ACHIEVE. HERE ARE THE PEOPLE I’M GOING TO HERE ARE THE PEOPLE I’M GOING TO PUNISH AND GET EVEN WITH. PUNISH AND GET EVEN WITH. REPUBLICANS DON’T LIKE TO TALK REPUBLICANS DON’T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS, I THINK, BUT SOME OF ABOUT THIS, I THINK, BUT SOME OF THAT RADICALIZATION HAPPENED THAT RADICALIZATION HAPPENED AFTER EIGHT YEARS OF BARACK AFTER EIGHT YEARS OF BARACK OBAMA. OBAMA. SOME OF THIS IS RACIAL SOME OF THIS IS RACIAL RESENTMENT. RESENTMENT. IT’S THE SENSE THAT THE IT’S THE SENSE THAT THE INFORMATION AGE HAS PRODUCED A INFORMATION AGE HAS PRODUCED A GAP BETWEEN PEOPLE WITH GAP BETWEEN PEOPLE WITH EDUCATION AND PEOPLE WHO CAN EDUCATION AND PEOPLE WHO CAN MANAGE IN THIS 21st CENTURY MANAGE IN THIS 21st CENTURY ECONOMY AND PEOPLE WHO CAN’T. ECONOMY AND PEOPLE WHO CAN’T. I THINK IT’S A COMBINATION OF I THINK IT’S A COMBINATION OF THINGS. THINGS. THERE WAS ALWAYS A LATENT RACIAL THERE WAS ALWAYS A LATENT RACIAL TENSION. TENSION. THERE WAS ALWAYS A LATENT CLASS THERE WAS ALWAYS A LATENT CLASS TENSION AND A DIFFICULTY OF TENSION AND A DIFFICULTY OF DEALING WITH, AGAIN, THE ELITES, DEALING WITH, AGAIN, THE ELITES, THE INTELLECTUALS AND SO ON. THE INTELLECTUALS AND SO ON. TRUMP REALLY TOOK THAT AND RAN TRUMP REALLY TOOK THAT AND RAN AND SAID EVERYBODY IS AGAINST AND SAID EVERYBODY IS AGAINST YOU. YOU. THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS I THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS I LEFT. LEFT. THE ONE THING THAT I THINK MADE THE ONE THING THAT I THINK MADE REPUBLICANS AND CONSERVATIVES REPUBLICANS AND CONSERVATIVES DEFERENT FROM DEFERENT FROM DIFFERENT FROM LIBERALS IN THE DIFFERENT FROM LIBERALS IN THE ’70s AND ’80s, WE WERE THE PARTY ’70s AND ’80s, WE WERE THE PARTY OF OPTIMISM. OF OPTIMISM. WE DIDN’T THINK OF OURSELVES AS WE DIDN’T THINK OF OURSELVES AS VICTIMS. VICTIMS. NOW WE ARE THE PARTY OF IETERNAL NOW WE ARE THE PARTY OF IETERNAL VICTIMHOOD. VICTIMHOOD. TRUMP SUPPORTERS ARE CONSTANTLY TRUMP SUPPORTERS ARE CONSTANTLY CLAIMING THEY’RE FORGOTTEN AND CLAIMING THEY’RE FORGOTTEN AND NOBODY LOVES THEM ENOUGH. NOBODY LOVES THEM ENOUGH. I FIND THAT AMAZING FOR PEOPLE I FIND THAT AMAZING FOR PEOPLE THAT CONTROL ALL THE BRANCHES OF THAT CONTROL ALL THE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT. GOVERNMENT.>>PRESIDENT TRUMP IS APPARENTLY>>PRESIDENT TRUMP IS APPARENTLY USING OPPOSITION TO SEPARATING USING OPPOSITION TO SEPARATING MIGRANT CHILDREN FROM THEIR MIGRANT CHILDREN FROM THEIR PARENTS AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER PARENTS AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER TO ATTACK THE DEMOCRATS. TO ATTACK THE DEMOCRATS. AT A CAMPAIGN RALLY ON SATURDAY AT A CAMPAIGN RALLY ON SATURDAY NIGHT IN KANSAS, THE PRESIDENT NIGHT IN KANSAS, THE PRESIDENT REPEATED SEVERAL OF HIS USUAL REPEATED SEVERAL OF HIS USUAL FALSEHOODS AND EXAGGERATIONS FALSEHOODS AND EXAGGERATIONS ALONG WITH ADDING THIS. ALONG WITH ADDING THIS.>>EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT IN THE>>EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT IN THE U.S. SENATE HAS SIGNED UP FOR U.S. SENATE HAS SIGNED UP FOR THE OPEN BORDERS AND IT’S A THE OPEN BORDERS AND IT’S A BILL. BILL. IT’S CALLED THE OPEN BORDERS IT’S CALLED THE OPEN BORDERS BILL. BILL. WHAT’S GOING ON? WHAT’S GOING ON? AND IT’S WRITTEN BY, GUESS WHO, AND IT’S WRITTEN BY, GUESS WHO, DIANE FEINSTEIN. DIANE FEINSTEIN.>>THERE’S NO BILL BY THAT NAME.>>THERE’S NO BILL BY THAT NAME.>>IT DOESN’T EXIST.>>IT DOESN’T EXIST.>>THERE’S NO BILL BY THAT NAME.>>THERE’S NO BILL BY THAT NAME. HE’S JUST MAKING THAT UP. HE’S JUST MAKING THAT UP. IF YOU’RE IN THE AUDIENCE, YOU IF YOU’RE IN THE AUDIENCE, YOU HAVE TO BE ASKING YOURSELF WHY HAVE TO BE ASKING YOURSELF WHY DOES DONALD TRUMP THINK I AM SO DOES DONALD TRUMP THINK I AM SO STUPID? STUPID? WHY DOES DONALD TRUMP PLAY ME WHY DOES DONALD TRUMP PLAY ME FOR A FOOL? FOR A FOOL? WHY DOES DONALD TRUMP THINK I’M WHY DOES DONALD TRUMP THINK I’M SUCH AN IDIOT? SUCH AN IDIOT? I KNOW THAT SO MANY OF THOSE I KNOW THAT SO MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT KANSAS AUDIENCE PEOPLE IN THAT KANSAS AUDIENCE HAVE TO BE ANGRY AT DONALD TRUMP HAVE TO BE ANGRY AT DONALD TRUMP FOR HIM THINKING THEY ARE SO FOR HIM THINKING THEY ARE SO STUPID, THAT THEY ARE SUCH STUPID, THAT THEY ARE SUCH BUMPKINS, THAT THEY ARE SUCH BUMPKINS, THAT THEY ARE SUCH FOOLS THAT THEY CAN’T JUST GO ON FOOLS THAT THEY CAN’T JUST GO ON GOOGLE. GOOGLE. I KNOW THIS MORNING THEY HAVE TO I KNOW THIS MORNING THEY HAVE TO BE DEEPLY DISAPPOINTED THAT BE DEEPLY DISAPPOINTED THAT THEIR PRESIDENT WOULD LIE THEIR PRESIDENT WOULD LIE THROUGH HIS TEETH TO THEM AND THROUGH HIS TEETH TO THEM AND USE THEM AS A PUNCH LINE. USE THEM AS A PUNCH LINE.>>THEY DIDN’T SOUND ALL THAT>>THEY DIDN’T SOUND ALL THAT DISAPPOINTED. DISAPPOINTED. EVERY TIME YOU THINK WE’VE EVERY TIME YOU THINK WE’VE REACHED A NEW LOW, PRESIDENT REACHED A NEW LOW, PRESIDENT TRUMP GOES A LITTLE FURTHER. TRUMP GOES A LITTLE FURTHER. BUT THIS WAS JUST AN BUT THIS WAS JUST AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF BLATANT EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF BLATANT DISHONESTY IN THE SERVICE OF DISHONESTY IN THE SERVICE OF NATIVIST UGLINESS. NATIVIST UGLINESS. SO THE COMBINATION OF THOSE TWO SO THE COMBINATION OF THOSE TWO THREADS IS SUCH AN ILLUSTRATION THREADS IS SUCH AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHERE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF WHERE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS GONE. HAS GONE. I’M NOT A MEMBER OF EITHER I’M NOT A MEMBER OF EITHER PARTY, HAVEN’T BEEN FOR A LONG PARTY, HAVEN’T BEEN FOR A LONG TIME. TIME. BUT YOU HAVE TO — I HEAR THE BUT YOU HAVE TO — I HEAR THE ANGUISH IN THE VOICES OF ALL OF ANGUISH IN THE VOICES OF ALL OF MY REPUBLICAN AND FORMER MY REPUBLICAN AND FORMER REPUBLICAN FRIENDS WHO REMAIN REPUBLICAN FRIENDS WHO REMAIN CONSERVATIVES AND BELIEVE THAT CONSERVATIVES AND BELIEVE THAT CONSERVING IS LIMITED GOVERNMENT CONSERVING IS LIMITED GOVERNMENT AND CHANGING SLOWLY AND OPENNESS AND CHANGING SLOWLY AND OPENNESS TO SUNNY REAGANIST VISION OF TO SUNNY REAGANIST VISION OF AMERICA. AMERICA. AND THEN TO HEAR THE PRESIDENT AND THEN TO HEAR THE PRESIDENT PULL STUNTS LIKE THIS IS JUST PULL STUNTS LIKE THIS IS JUST SICKENING. SICKENING.>>MIKA, THE LYING.>>MIKA, THE LYING. AND YOU EVEN SEE IT ALL OVER THE AND YOU EVEN SEE IT ALL OVER THE PLACE FROM PEOPLE THAT I’VE PLACE FROM PEOPLE THAT I’VE KNOWN AND HAVE KNOWN ME FOR A KNOWN AND HAVE KNOWN ME FOR A LONG TIME AND KNOW THAT I’VE LONG TIME AND KNOW THAT I’VE WRITTEN THREE BOOKS. WRITTEN THREE BOOKS. THEY ALL SAY THE SAME THING. THEY ALL SAY THE SAME THING. THEY’RE ALL ATTACKS ON BIG THEY’RE ALL ATTACKS ON BIG GOVERNMENT REPUBLICANISM, 2004, GOVERNMENT REPUBLICANISM, 2004, 2009, 2013. 2009, 2013. WHEN IT COMES TO BLOATED WHEN IT COMES TO BLOATED BUDGETS, I’M A ONE TRICK PONY. BUDGETS, I’M A ONE TRICK PONY. THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE OUT THERE THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE OUT THERE LIKE THAT STILL, BUT THEY SEEM LIKE THAT STILL, BUT THEY SEEM TO BE FADING BY THE DAY. TO BE FADING BY THE DAY.>>TOM NICHOLS, THANK YOU SO>>TOM NICHOLS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING ON THE SHOW THIS MUCH FOR BEING ON THE SHOW THIS MORNING. MORNING.>>THANK YOU, TOM.>>THANK YOU, TOM. GREAT HAVING YOU ON GREAT HAVING YOU ON YOU, TOM. GREAT HAVING YOU ON YOU, TOM. GREAT HAVING YOU O>>>UP NEXT, 17 YEARS AFTER THE>>>UP NEXT, 17 YEARS AFTER THE U.S. INVASION OF AFGHANISTAN, A U.S. INVASION OF AFGHANISTAN, A NEW POLL SHOWS AMERICANS,

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Prevagen. Healthier brain. Better life. Better life.>>>THAT’S WHAT I DO IS I BUILD.>>>THAT’S WHAT I DO IS I BUILD. I WAS ALWAYS VERY GOOD AT I WAS ALWAYS VERY GOOD AT BUILDING. BUILDING. IT WAS ALWAYS MY BEST THING, I IT WAS ALWAYS MY BEST THING, I THINK BETTER THAN BEING THINK BETTER THAN BEING PRESIDENT, I WAS MAYBE GOOD AT PRESIDENT, I WAS MAYBE GOOD AT BUILDING. BUILDING.>>JUNE 2017, THE TRUMP WHITE>>JUNE 2017, THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE BEGAN INFRASTRUCTURE WEEK, HOUSE BEGAN INFRASTRUCTURE WEEK, PROMISING A TRILLION DOLLARS PROMISING A TRILLION DOLLARS REVAMP. REVAMP. IF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN THE RESULTS, IF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN THE RESULTS, THAT’S BECAUSE THERE REALLY THAT’S BECAUSE THERE REALLY AREN’T ANY. AREN’T ANY. ON SUNDAY NIGHT, THERE’S THE ON SUNDAY NIGHT, THERE’S THE FINALE OF NBC DOCU-SERIES FINALE OF NBC DOCU-SERIES AMERICAN SWAMP, LOOKING AT WHY. AMERICAN SWAMP, LOOKING AT WHY. EVEN WITH POTENTIAL BIPARTISAN EVEN WITH POTENTIAL BIPARTISAN BACKING, THERE’S VERY LITTLE BACKING, THERE’S VERY LITTLE GETTING DONE ON TRUMP’S CLAIMS GETTING DONE ON TRUMP’S CLAIMS THAT HE WOULD FIX AMERICA’S THAT HE WOULD FIX AMERICA’S CRUMBLING ROADS AND BRIDGES AND CRUMBLING ROADS AND BRIDGES AND TUNNELS. TUNNELS. AND GUESS WHAT? AND GUESS WHAT? IT’S FRIDAY NIGHT, AND MSNBC IT’S FRIDAY NIGHT, AND MSNBC CORRESPONDENT JACOB SOBOROFF IS CORRESPONDENT JACOB SOBOROFF IS RIGHT HERE ON THE LAST WORD. RIGHT HERE ON THE LAST WORD. WHAT DID YOU FIND, AND WHAT WILL WHAT DID YOU FIND, AND WHAT WILL PEOPLE SEE IN THE FINALE? PEOPLE SEE IN THE FINALE?>>IN MY HOME LIBRARY HERE, ARI,>>IN MY HOME LIBRARY HERE, ARI, IT’S GOOD TO SEE YOU ON THIS IT’S GOOD TO SEE YOU ON THIS FRIDAY NIGHT. FRIDAY NIGHT. WE FOUND THAT DONALD TRUMP DID WE FOUND THAT DONALD TRUMP DID NOT FOLLOW THROUGH WITH NOT FOLLOW THROUGH WITH INFRASTRUCTURE WEEK. INFRASTRUCTURE WEEK. SO WE’RE GOING TO HAVE ONE OF SO WE’RE GOING TO HAVE ONE OF OUR OWN AS A MATTER OF FACT. OUR OWN AS A MATTER OF FACT. HE SAID HE’S THE BEST BUILDER. HE SAID HE’S THE BEST BUILDER. POLITICIANS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICIANS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE OBVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN AISLE OBVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOW CRITICAL THIS TALKING ABOUT HOW CRITICAL THIS ALL IS FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT ALL IS FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT IT NEVER GETS DONE. IT NEVER GETS DONE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT SURPRISE, FOUND IS THAT SURPRISE, SURPRISE, POLITICIANS PUT SURPRISE, POLITICIANS PUT THEMSELVES AND THEIR POLITICAL THEMSELVES AND THEIR POLITICAL FORTUNES AHEAD OF THE AMERICAN FORTUNES AHEAD OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, WHO REALLY DESPERATELY PEOPLE, WHO REALLY DESPERATELY NEED INFRASTRUCTURE. NEED INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THIS IS A BIT OF A SPOILER SO THIS IS A BIT OF A SPOILER ALERT, BUT WE END THE EPISODE IN ALERT, BUT WE END THE EPISODE IN LOS ANGELES, MY HOMETOWN, AND LOS ANGELES, MY HOMETOWN, AND KATY’S HOMETOWN. KATY’S HOMETOWN. THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH. THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.>>WE’RE DRIVING UNDER 5 MILES>>WE’RE DRIVING UNDER 5 MILES AN HOUR ON AN CELEBRATE HIGHWAYI AN HOUR ON AN CELEBRATE HIGHWAYI HIGHWAY. HIGHWAY. LITERALLY EVERY MEMBER OF LITERALLY EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS SHOULD HAVE TO SIT IN CONGRESS SHOULD HAVE TO SIT IN BUMPER TO BUMPER TRAFFIC AS BUMPER TO BUMPER TRAFFIC AS PUNISHMENT. PUNISHMENT.>>I THINK THAT WOULD BE DEFINED>>I THINK THAT WOULD BE DEFINED AS CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT. AS CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT. WE’RE CRAWLING ALONG THE 10 WE’RE CRAWLING ALONG THE 10 FREEWAY WEST OF DOWNTOWN LOS FREEWAY WEST OF DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES. ANGELES. THE PROBLEM HERE ISN’T CRUMBLING THE PROBLEM HERE ISN’T CRUMBLING ROADS. ROADS. IT’S THAT THERE ARE JUST TOO IT’S THAT THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY CARS, A FACT THAT JACOB AND MANY CARS, A FACT THAT JACOB AND I ARE PAINFULLY AWARE OF, HAVING I ARE PAINFULLY AWARE OF, HAVING BOTH GROWN UP HERE. BOTH GROWN UP HERE.>>I WILL SAY I’M SOMEWHAT>>I WILL SAY I’M SOMEWHAT OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE L.A. IS OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE L.A. IS TRYING TO EXPAND THE SUBWAYS AND TRYING TO EXPAND THE SUBWAYS AND THE LIGHT RAIL. THE LIGHT RAIL. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ON THE TRAIN HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ON THE TRAIN IN L.A.? IN L.A.?>>I’VE NEVER BEEN ON THE TRAIN>>I’VE NEVER BEEN ON THE TRAIN IN L.A. IN L.A.>>THEY’RE GETTING IT DONE.>>THEY’RE GETTING IT DONE.>>I DON’T THINK OF TRAINS IN>>I DON’T THINK OF TRAINS IN L.A. L.A.>>THEY’RE GETTING IT DONE.>>THEY’RE GETTING IT DONE. HAVING GROWN UP HERE, I THINK HAVING GROWN UP HERE, I THINK WHEN YOU SEE IT FOR THE FIRST WHEN YOU SEE IT FOR THE FIRST TIME, IT WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE TIME, IT WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE YOUR WHOLE OUTLOOK ON YOUR WHOLE OUTLOOK ON INFRASTRUCTURE. INFRASTRUCTURE.>>SO WE’RE NOT GOING TO GET ALL>>SO WE’RE NOT GOING TO GET ALL THE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS INTO A THE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS INTO A CAR AND PUT THEM ON THE 10 CAR AND PUT THEM ON THE 10 FREEWAY, BUT ONE THING THAT FREEWAY, BUT ONE THING THAT REMARKABLY WAS VERY CANDID FROM REMARKABLY WAS VERY CANDID FROM KEN BUCK, THE CONGRESSMAN FROM KEN BUCK, THE CONGRESSMAN FROM COLORADO, YOU’LL HEAR THE FULL COLORADO, YOU’LL HEAR THE FULL THING IN THE EPISODE. THING IN THE EPISODE. BUT HE TOLD KATY, IT DOESN’T PAY BUT HE TOLD KATY, IT DOESN’T PAY TO ACTUALLY STICK YOUR NECK OUT TO ACTUALLY STICK YOUR NECK OUT AND GET ANYTHING DONE HERE. AND GET ANYTHING DONE HERE. YOUR FORTUNES WILL BE BETTER YOUR FORTUNES WILL BE BETTER ULTIMATELY IF YOU DON’T PASS

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NEXT ON “MORNING JOE.”>>>I AM SERIOUSLY THINKING OF>>>I AM SERIOUSLY THINKING OF RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>THAT’S RIGHT. HOWARD SCHULTZ COULD BE RUNNING HOWARD SCHULTZ COULD BE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT FOR 2020 OR AS FOR PRESIDENT FOR 2020 OR AS THEY CALL IT STARBUCKS THEY CALL IT STARBUCKS VENTI-VENTI. VENTI-VENTI.>>SWROINJOINING US NOW HOWARD>>SWROINJOINING US NOW HOWARD SCHULTZ, A JOURNEY TO REIMAGINE SCHULTZ, A JOURNEY TO REIMAGINE THE PROMISE OF AMERICA. THE PROMISE OF AMERICA. MSNBC MIKE BARNICLE IS JOINING MSNBC MIKE BARNICLE IS JOINING US WITH THE CONVERSATION AS US WITH THE CONVERSATION AS WELL. WELL. HOWARD, I AM STILL ADDICTED TO HOWARD, I AM STILL ADDICTED TO MY COFFEE. MY COFFEE.>>I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE>>I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE DECALF THIS MORNING. DECALF THIS MORNING.>>OH, I ALWAYS HAVE THE TWO>>OH, I ALWAYS HAVE THE TWO SHOTS AND I CAN’T HELP MYSELF. SHOTS AND I CAN’T HELP MYSELF.>>SO, TALK ABOUT THE FIRST>>SO, TALK ABOUT THE FIRST COUPLE OF DAYS GETTING OUT THERE COUPLE OF DAYS GETTING OUT THERE AND GETTING THE MESSAGE. AND GETTING THE MESSAGE.>>I MUST BE DOING SOMETHING>>I MUST BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT TO CREATE SO MUCH RIGHT TO CREATE SO MUCH INTERESTS AND BACKLASH FROM THE INTERESTS AND BACKLASH FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. DEMOCRATIC PARTY. SOME OF IT IS A SURPRISE. SOME OF IT IS A SURPRISE. WE EXPECTED TO SEE SOME OF THE WE EXPECTED TO SEE SOME OF THE LEVEL — BUT NOT TO THE EXTENT. LEVEL — BUT NOT TO THE EXTENT. ON “60-MINUTES,” I SERIOUSLY ON “60-MINUTES,” I SERIOUSLY SAID I AM SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING SAID I AM SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING TO RUN AS PRESIDENT AS AN IN TO RUN AS PRESIDENT AS AN IN NANT NANT INDEPENDENT. INDEPENDENT. ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT THE ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT BOTH PARTIES CURRENT GOVERNMENT BOTH PARTIES HAVE BEEN UNWILLING AND UNABLE HAVE BEEN UNWILLING AND UNABLE TO SOLVE, WHETHER A DEMOCRAT TO SOLVE, WHETHER A DEMOCRAT WINS A PRESIDENCY OR DONALD WINS A PRESIDENCY OR DONALD TRUMP GETS RE-ELECTED, I HOPE TRUMP GETS RE-ELECTED, I HOPE NOT. NOT. NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE. NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.>>LET ME ASK YOU THIS.>>LET ME ASK YOU THIS.>>HOW DID YOU GET TO THE POINT>>HOW DID YOU GET TO THE POINT OF THINKING HEY, MAYBE THIS IS OF THINKING HEY, MAYBE THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN. GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY MIKE YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY MIKE BLOOMBERG HAS BEEN THINKING BLOOMBERG HAS BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND HAS TONS OF MONEY. HAS TONS OF MONEY. HE ALWAYS CONCLUDED EVERY TIME HE ALWAYS CONCLUDED EVERY TIME YOU LOOK AT IT THAT YOU COULD YOU LOOK AT IT THAT YOU COULD NOT GET TO 270 AND WHATEVER NOT GET TO 270 AND WHATEVER POLITICAL PARTY IN THE HOUSE OF POLITICAL PARTY IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WOULD SELECT REPRESENTATIVES WOULD SELECT THEIR CANDIDATE AS A PRESIDENT. THEIR CANDIDATE AS A PRESIDENT.>>I RESPECT MIKE BLOOMBERG,>>I RESPECT MIKE BLOOMBERG, HE’S NOT THE PROXY FOR WHAT’S HE’S NOT THE PROXY FOR WHAT’S DPOING TO DPOING TO GOING TO HAPPEN FOR 2020. GOING TO HAPPEN FOR 2020. WHAT DID I SEE? WHAT DID I SEE? WHAT I SEE FOR THE LAST THREE OR WHAT I SEE FOR THE LAST THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE PRESIDENTIAL FOUR OR FIVE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS, ONLY 8 TO 10 ELECTIONS, ONLY 8 TO 10 BATTLEGROUND STATES ARE PRETTY BATTLEGROUND STATES ARE PRETTY MUCH CONTROLLED OR PREDICTED. MUCH CONTROLLED OR PREDICTED. WHO’S GOING TO BE PRESIDENT? WHO’S GOING TO BE PRESIDENT?>>WHAT IF THE POSSIBILITY OF AN>>WHAT IF THE POSSIBILITY OF AN INDEPENDENT PERSON CAN CAPTURE INDEPENDENT PERSON CAN CAPTURE THE IMAGINATION OF THE 42% THE IMAGINATION OF THE 42% PEOPLE WHO AFFILIATE THEMSELVES PEOPLE WHO AFFILIATE THEMSELVES AS AN INDEPENDENT WHICH IS MORE AS AN INDEPENDENT WHICH IS MORE THAN EITHER PARTY AND WHAT IF THAN EITHER PARTY AND WHAT IF REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS LIFELONG ARE LOOKING FOR HOME, LIFELONG ARE LOOKING FOR HOME, THEY’RE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THEY’RE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR LEFT WING ELIZABETH WARREN OR LEFT WING ELIZABETH WARREN OR KAMALA HARRIS AND THEY DON’T KAMALA HARRIS AND THEY DON’T WANT TO REELECT DONALD TRUMP. WANT TO REELECT DONALD TRUMP. WHAT IF FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 40 WHAT IF FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 40 YEARS, THE 50 STATES WHICH I AM YEARS, THE 50 STATES WHICH I AM ON EVERY BALLOT REALLY MATTERS ON EVERY BALLOT REALLY MATTERS INSTEAD OF 8 TO 10 BATTLEGROUND INSTEAD OF 8 TO 10 BATTLEGROUND STATE CONTROLLING WHO’S GOING TO STATE CONTROLLING WHO’S GOING TO BE PRESIDENT. BE PRESIDENT.>>SAY WE GET RID OF THE>>SAY WE GET RID OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. ELECTORAL COLLEGE.>>LET ME FINISH.>>LET ME FINISH. IF WE PRECEDE, WE’LL BE ON THE IF WE PRECEDE, WE’LL BE ON THE BALLOT OF EVERY STATE AND WE BALLOT OF EVERY STATE AND WE HAVE DONE THAT WORK AND WE CAN HAVE DONE THAT WORK AND WE CAN GET TO 270 BECAUSE ALL 50 STATES GET TO 270 BECAUSE ALL 50 STATES WILL MATTER AND NOT 8 TO 10. WILL MATTER AND NOT 8 TO 10.>>I HAVE DONE THE WORK AND>>I HAVE DONE THE WORK AND SPENT THE LAST YEAR TO LOOK AT SPENT THE LAST YEAR TO LOOK AT THIS CLEARLY. THIS CLEARLY. BLOOMBERG IS NOT MY PROXY. BLOOMBERG IS NOT MY PROXY. A DEMOCRAT IS NOT GOING TO BE A DEMOCRAT IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO — ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ABLE TO — ALL OF A SUDDEN THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO START GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO START WORKING, NOTHING’S WORKING. WORKING, NOTHING’S WORKING. I BELIEVE JUST IMAGINE THE I BELIEVE JUST IMAGINE THE MANDATE THAT IF AN INDEPENDENT MANDATE THAT IF AN INDEPENDENT PERSON CAN GET ELECTED, IF I WAS PERSON CAN GET ELECTED, IF I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO WIN THE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY, THE POWER THAT PRESIDENCY, THE POWER THAT PEOPLE IS SPEAKING THAT WE CAN PEOPLE IS SPEAKING THAT WE CAN TRANSFORM THE GOVERNMENT FINALLY TRANSFORM THE GOVERNMENT FINALLY AND GET PEOPLE. AND GET PEOPLE.>>MIKE BLOOMBERG IS NOT OUR>>MIKE BLOOMBERG IS NOT OUR PROXY. PROXY. WILLIE AND I KEEP ON ASKING HIM WILLIE AND I KEEP ON ASKING HIM TO HAVE SOME OF HIS MONEY. TO HAVE SOME OF HIS MONEY.>>HOWARD, THERE ARE TWO STRAINS>>HOWARD, THERE ARE TWO STRAINS OF THE CRITICISM. OF THE CRITICISM. YOU HAVE NOT GOTTEN INTO THE YOU HAVE NOT GOTTEN INTO THE RACE YET. RACE YET. THE ONE STRAIN IS WHAT WE HEARD THE ONE STRAIN IS WHAT WE HEARD FROM BLOOMBERG WHO SAYS, HOWARD, FROM BLOOMBERG WHO SAYS, HOWARD, I RESPECT YOU BUT YOU CAN’T WIN. I RESPECT YOU BUT YOU CAN’T WIN. THE OTHER STRAIN, HE’S THE THE OTHER STRAIN, HE’S THE MASTER MIND BEHIND THIS. MASTER MIND BEHIND THIS. QUOTE, “HE CAN’T WIN AND DAMAGE QUOTE, “HE CAN’T WIN AND DAMAGE OUR ABILITY TO BEAT DONALD OUR ABILITY TO BEAT DONALD TRUMP, HE SHOULD EITHER RUN AS A TRUMP, HE SHOULD EITHER RUN AS A DEMOCRATIC OR SPEND HIS MONEY DEMOCRATIC OR SPEND HIS MONEY THAT’LL NOT RUIN THE WORLD.” THAT’LL NOT RUIN THE WORLD.” WHY NOT RUN AS A DEMOCRAT? WHY NOT RUN AS A DEMOCRAT? WE KNOW YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT. WE KNOW YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT. YOU SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON. YOU SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON.>>YOU ARE NO LONGER A DEMOCRAT?>>YOU ARE NO LONGER A DEMOCRAT?>>NO, I DON’T AFFILIATE MYSELF>>NO, I DON’T AFFILIATE MYSELF AS A DEMOCRAT PARTY WHO IS SO AS A DEMOCRAT PARTY WHO IS SO FAR LEFT AND WANTS THE FAR LEFT AND WANTS THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE OVER AND FREE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE OVER AND FREE CLENCH TO EVERYBODY AND THE CLENCH TO EVERYBODY AND THE GOVERNMENT TO GIVE EVERYONE A GOVERNMENT TO GIVE EVERYONE A JOB. JOB. IT IS BASICALLY $40 TRILLION ON IT IS BASICALLY $40 TRILLION ON THE BALANCE SHEET OF THE BALANCE SHEET OF $21.5 TRILLION. $21.5 TRILLION. WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT WE NEED IS COMPREHENSIVE WHAT WE NEED IS COMPREHENSIVE TAX REFORM. TAX REFORM. WHAT WE NEED IS SENSIBLE WHAT WE NEED IS SENSIBLE SOLUTIONS TO IMMIGRATION. SOLUTIONS TO IMMIGRATION. ALL OF THESE THINGS CAN’T HAPPEN ALL OF THESE THINGS CAN’T HAPPEN UNDER THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT. UNDER THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT. NOW, I HAVE ALSO BEEN CRITICIZED NOW, I HAVE ALSO BEEN CRITICIZED FOR BEING A BILLIONAIRE. FOR BEING A BILLIONAIRE. I AM SELF-MADE, I GREW UP IN THE I AM SELF-MADE, I GREW UP IN THE PROJECT OF BROOKLYN, NEW YORK. PROJECT OF BROOKLYN, NEW YORK. I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE AMERICAN’S DREAM, THE ASPIRATION AMERICAN’S DREAM, THE ASPIRATION OF AMERICA. OF AMERICA. YOU ARE GOING CRITICIZE ME? YOU ARE GOING CRITICIZE ME? ELIZABETH WARREN WANTS TO ELIZABETH WARREN WANTS TO CRITICIZE ME FOR BEING CRITICIZE ME FOR BEING SUCCESSFUL? SUCCESSFUL?>>>>>>>>NO.>>NO.>>LET ME FOLLOW UP ON THAT.>>LET ME FOLLOW UP ON THAT. THE CRITICISM IS NOT THAT YOU THE CRITICISM IS NOT THAT YOU WANT TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. WANT TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. THE CRITICISM IS THAT IF YOU DO THE CRITICISM IS THAT IF YOU DO RUN IN THIS MIDDLE LANE WHERE RUN IN THIS MIDDLE LANE WHERE VOTES ARE SO PRECIOUS AS WE SAW VOTES ARE SO PRECIOUS AS WE SAW LAST TIME, YOU CAN STEAL JUST LAST TIME, YOU CAN STEAL JUST ENOUGH TO CAUSE DEMOCRATIC THE ENOUGH TO CAUSE DEMOCRATIC THE ELECTION. ELECTION.>>IT IS NOT TRUE.>>IT IS NOT TRUE.>>WHY NOT MAKE THE ARGUMENT YOU>>WHY NOT MAKE THE ARGUMENT YOU MADE WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC MADE WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY. PRIMARY.>>I DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT THE>>I DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY STAND FOR AND DEMOCRATIC PARTY STAND FOR AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. NOT THE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON OR NOT THE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON OR THE PEOPLE IN NEW YORK, THE THE PEOPLE IN NEW YORK, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT A CHANGE. AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT A CHANGE. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE REALIZE THE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE REALIZE THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT WORKING. GOVERNMENT IS NOT WORKING. IT IS NOT A STATISTIC THAT 40% IT IS NOT A STATISTIC THAT 40% OF AMERICAN PEOPLE DON’T HAVE OF AMERICAN PEOPLE DON’T HAVE $400 IN THE BANK OR FIVE MILLION $400 IN THE BANK OR FIVE MILLION KIDS IN AMERICA ARE NOT IN KIDS IN AMERICA ARE NOT IN SCHOOL. SCHOOL. THOSE ARE NOT STATISTICS. THOSE ARE NOT STATISTICS. THOSE ARE PEOPLE. THOSE ARE PEOPLE.>>NOT ALL DEMOCRATS WANT>>NOT ALL DEMOCRATS WANT MEDICARE. MEDICARE. YOU ARE CITING KAMALA HARRIS. YOU ARE CITING KAMALA HARRIS. WHY COULD YOU NOT GET THE WHY COULD YOU NOT GET THE DEMOCRATIC RACE AND MAKE THE DEMOCRATIC RACE AND MAKE THE CASE AS A CENTER DEMOCRAT. CASE AS A CENTER DEMOCRAT.>>I THINK THE COUNTRY NEEDS>>I THINK THE COUNTRY NEEDS TRANSFORMATION. TRANSFORMATION. THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE DISRUPTED. DISRUPTED. IT IS NOT WORKING. IT IS NOT WORKING. HOW MUCH EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE? HOW MUCH EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE? GIVE ME ONE THING AND SHOW ME GIVE ME ONE THING AND SHOW ME ONE THING WHICH YOU CAN SAY ONE THING WHICH YOU CAN SAY FIRMLY. FIRMLY. THE GOVERNMENT IS REALLY THE GOVERNMENT IS REALLY WORKING. WORKING. THE SHUTDOWN OF THE GOVERNMENT THE SHUTDOWN OF THE GOVERNMENT FOR MONTHS, 800,000 PEOPLE NOT FOR MONTHS, 800,000 PEOPLE NOT WORKING. WORKING. WHAT’S WORKING? WHAT’S WORKING? I SPENT THE LAST FIVE YEARS I SPENT THE LAST FIVE YEARS SPENDING TIME WITH VETERANS AND SPENDING TIME WITH VETERANS AND HIRING VETERANS AND HIRING VETERANS AND UNDERSTANDING THEIR ISSUES AND UNDERSTANDING THEIR ISSUES AND GIVING MONEY VETERANS. GIVING MONEY VETERANS. I WENT TO THE VA, DO YOU KNOW I WENT TO THE VA, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET IS FOR THE VA? WHAT THE BUDGET IS FOR THE VA? TAKE A GUESS? TAKE A GUESS?>>I DON’T HAVE A NUMBER.>>I DON’T HAVE A NUMBER.>>$40 BILLION.>>$40 BILLION.>>$200 BILLION, THE VA.>>$200 BILLION, THE VA. IT IS A TRAGIC. IT IS A TRAGIC. THERE IS NOTHING WORKING IN THE THERE IS NOTHING WORKING IN THE GOVERNMENT. GOVERNMENT. WHY SHOULD WE VOTE IN A WHY SHOULD WE VOTE IN A DEMOCRATIC AND/OR REPUBLICAN TO DEMOCRATIC AND/OR REPUBLICAN TO DISCONTINUE THE BROKEN SYSTEM. DISCONTINUE THE BROKEN SYSTEM.>>YOU DON’T THINK YOU CAN>>YOU DON’T THINK YOU CAN DISRUPT IT THE WAY DONALD TRUMP DISRUPT IT THE WAY DONALD TRUMP DISRUPTS IT? DISRUPTS IT? HE FOUND THAT AS A VESSEL TO GET HE FOUND THAT AS A VESSEL TO GET IN THE WHITE HOUSE. IN THE WHITE HOUSE.>>I AM NOT SAYING YOU WANT TO>>I AM NOT SAYING YOU WANT TO BEHAVE AS HE DOES AS PRESIDENT BEHAVE AS HE DOES AS PRESIDENT BUT IT WAS A WAY IN THE WHITE BUT IT WAS A WAY IN THE WHITE HOUSE. HOUSE.>>WHAT I AM GOING TO TRY TO DO>>WHAT I AM GOING TO TRY TO DO IS GO OUT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IS GO OUT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND IGNITE A POWERFUL MOVEMENT. AND IGNITE A POWERFUL MOVEMENT. I BELIEVE NOT JUST PEOPLE IN NEW I BELIEVE NOT JUST PEOPLE IN NEW YORK OR D.C., I AM HEARING FROM YORK OR D.C., I AM HEARING FROM THOUSANDS SAYING FINALLY, THOUSANDS SAYING FINALLY, SOMEONE SOMEONE SOMEONE’S VOICE THAT I CAN SOMEONE’S VOICE THAT I CAN RELATE TO. RELATE TO.>>THAT’S WHAT THEY SAID DONALD>>THAT’S WHAT THEY SAID DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP.>>I AM NOT DONALD TRUMP.>>I AM NOT DONALD TRUMP. I RUN THE COMPANY FOR 26 YEARS. I RUN THE COMPANY FOR 26 YEARS.>>YOU JUST SAID HOWARD.>>YOU JUST SAID HOWARD. I DON’T BELIEVE WHAT THE I DON’T BELIEVE WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY STANDS FOR. DEMOCRATIC PARTY STANDS FOR. GIVE ME FIVE ISSUES THAT THE GIVE ME FIVE ISSUES THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY STAND FOR THAT DEMOCRATIC PARTY STAND FOR THAT YOU DON’T AGREE WITH? YOU DON’T AGREE WITH?>>I JUST GAIFRVE YOU THREE?>>I JUST GAIFRVE YOU THREE?>>GOVERNMENT TAKING OVER>>GOVERNMENT TAKING OVER HEALTHCARE, FREE COLLEGE FOR HEALTHCARE, FREE COLLEGE FOR EVERYONE AND THE DEMOCRATS AND EVERYONE AND THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS UNDER THE LAST 20 REPUBLICANS UNDER THE LAST 20 YEARS ON BOTH PARTIES HAVE BEEN YEARS ON BOTH PARTIES HAVE BEEN COMPLICIT IN CREATING A COMPLICIT IN CREATING A $21.5 TRILLION DEBT. $21.5 TRILLION DEBT. THAT’S A RECKLESS AND IMMORAL THAT’S A RECKLESS AND IMMORAL ABANDONMENT OF LEADERSHIP. ABANDONMENT OF LEADERSHIP. THE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATS ARE THE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATS ARE NOT TRUSTED BY THE AMERICAN NOT TRUSTED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. PEOPLE. THE PROBLEM IN AMERICA IS THAT THE PROBLEM IN AMERICA IS THAT WE HAVE NO LEADERSHIP THAT’S WE HAVE NO LEADERSHIP THAT’S TRUSTED, THE DIGNITY AND RESPECT TRUSTED, THE DIGNITY AND RESPECT OF THE OVAL OFFICE IS GONE AND OF THE OVAL OFFICE IS GONE AND REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS NO REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS NO LONGER REPRESENT THE ESSENCE OF LONGER REPRESENT THE ESSENCE OF THE PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE. I AM THINKING OF RUNNING FOR I AM THINKING OF RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AS A CENTER PRESIDENT AS A CENTER INDEPENDENT. INDEPENDENT. IF YOU AGREE WITH ME, I AM IF YOU AGREE WITH ME, I AM DPOING TO PROVIDE YOU AN DPOING TO PROVIDE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY. OPPORTUNITY. IF IF I STRONGLY BELIEVE THERE IS AN I STRONGLY BELIEVE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY AND A LARGE PEOPLE, OPPORTUNITY AND A LARGE PEOPLE, THE SILENT MAJORITY WHO WANTS A THE SILENT MAJORITY WHO WANTS A VOICE OF SOMEBODY WHO’S GOING TO VOICE OF SOMEBODY WHO’S GOING TO REPRESENT THEM. REPRESENT THEM.>>YOU DO REALIZE THAT MANY>>YOU DO REALIZE THAT MANY PEOPLE REGISTERED AS AN PEOPLE REGISTERED AS AN INDEPENDENT AND YET THEY STILL INDEPENDENT AND YET THEY STILL TILT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. TILT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.>>THEY NEVER HAD A LEGITIMATE>>THEY NEVER HAD A LEGITIMATE CHOICE. CHOICE.>>THEY HAVE NOT?>>THEY HAVE NOT?>>ROSS PEROTE.>>ROSS PEROTE.>>DON’T FORGET ABOUT MY STORY.>>DON’T FORGET ABOUT MY STORY. I AM A SELF-MADE PERSON. I AM A SELF-MADE PERSON. I LIKE BLOOMBERG, I HOPE HE RUNS I LIKE BLOOMBERG, I HOPE HE RUNS FOR PRESIDENT. FOR PRESIDENT. I THINK IT WILL BE GREAT FOR I THINK IT WILL BE GREAT FOR AMERICA. AMERICA. I CAME FROM THE PROJECT, THE I CAME FROM THE PROJECT, THE EMPATHY AND COMPASSION THAT I EMPATHY AND COMPASSION THAT I HAVE FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING LEFT BEHIND ISRAEL. ARE BEING LEFT BEHIND ISRAEL.>>WHEN PEOPLE SAY TO ME, YOU>>WHEN PEOPLE SAY TO ME, YOU ARE A BILLIONAIRE? ARE A BILLIONAIRE? YEAH. YEAH. BUT I AM PART OF WHAT I THOUGHT BUT I AM PART OF WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE PROSPECT OF THE PROMISE WAS THE PROSPECT OF THE PROMISE OF AMERICA, WORK HARD AND GREAT OF AMERICA, WORK HARD AND GREAT OPPORTUNITY, YOUR STATION LIFE OPPORTUNITY, YOUR STATION LIFE DOES NOT DEFINE YOU? DOES NOT DEFINE YOU? THAT’S ME. THAT’S ME.>>LET’S MOVE FROM THE DECISION>>LET’S MOVE FROM THE DECISION TO RUNNING AS AN INDEPENDENT AND TO RUNNING AS AN INDEPENDENT AND CONCERNS SOMEONE HAVE AS YOUR CONCERNS SOMEONE HAVE AS YOUR CANDIDACY AND MESSAGING. CANDIDACY AND MESSAGING. LET’S SAY YOU DECIDE TO RUN FOR LET’S SAY YOU DECIDE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. THREE QUESTIONS, WHAT QUALIFIES THREE QUESTIONS, WHAT QUALIFIES YOU TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE YOU TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? UNITED STATES?>>WHAT QUALIFIES ME IS MY LIFE>>WHAT QUALIFIES ME IS MY LIFE EXPERIENCE. EXPERIENCE. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THINK IT IS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THINK IT IS MY STARBUCKS EXPERIENCE. MY STARBUCKS EXPERIENCE. IT IS WHAT I HAVE LEARNED ALONG IT IS WHAT I HAVE LEARNED ALONG THE WAY AND SHARING YOU CAN THE WAY AND SHARING YOU CAN ACCESS AND RECOGNIZING EVERY ACCESS AND RECOGNIZING EVERY BUSINESS DECISION IS NOT AN BUSINESS DECISION IS NOT AN ECONOMIC ONE. ECONOMIC ONE. IT IS A REAL UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS A REAL UNDERSTANDING THAT SOMEBODY THAT IS TO RESTORE THE SOMEBODY THAT IS TO RESTORE THE PROMISE OF AMERICA AND WHAT PROMISE OF AMERICA AND WHAT QUALIFIES ME IS THAT I WILL BE A QUALIFIES ME IS THAT I WILL BE A LEADER OF THE COUNTRY OF ALL LEADER OF THE COUNTRY OF ALL AMERICAN PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE WILL AMERICAN PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE WILL TRUST AND ADMIRE BECAUSE I WILL TRUST AND ADMIRE BECAUSE I WILL UNDERSTAND. UNDERSTAND. I HAVE WALKED IN THEIR SHOES. I HAVE WALKED IN THEIR SHOES. I AM ON BOTH SIDES OF THE I AM ON BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION. EQUATION. I AM SOMEBODY WHO WAS SUCCESSFUL I AM SOMEBODY WHO WAS SUCCESSFUL OR SOMEBODY THAT CAME FROM THE OR SOMEBODY THAT CAME FROM THE PROJECTS AND I UNDERSTAND THE PROJECTS AND I UNDERSTAND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. AMERICAN PEOPLE.>>WHO IS THE BEST REPUBLICAN>>WHO IS THE BEST REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT IN THE PAST 50 YEAR PRESIDENT IN THE PAST 50 YEAR SNSS? SNSS?>>A GREAT RESPECT FOR RONALD>>A GREAT RESPECT FOR RONALD REAGAN AND ALL THE WONDERFUL REAGAN AND ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS HE DID THAT REALLY STRUCK THINGS HE DID THAT REALLY STRUCK ME COMPARES TO THE CURRENT ME COMPARES TO THE CURRENT PERSON WHO’S DESPICABLE IN THE PERSON WHO’S DESPICABLE IN THE OVAL OFFICE. OVAL OFFICE. RONALD REAGAN NEVER TOOK OFF HIS RONALD REAGAN NEVER TOOK OFF HIS JACKET FOR 80 YEARS, WHY? JACKET FOR 80 YEARS, WHY? THE RESPECT AND DIGNITY OF THE THE RESPECT AND DIGNITY OF THE OFFICE. OFFICE.>>FDR.>>FDR.>>HOW MUCH DOES AN 18 OUNCE BOX>>HOW MUCH DOES AN 18 OUNCE BOX OF CHEERIOS COSTS? OF CHEERIOS COSTS?>>I DON’T KNOW.>>I DON’T KNOW.>>BUDGET FOR THE VA, WE CAN ASK>>BUDGET FOR THE VA, WE CAN ASK YOU QUESTIONS FOR THAT. YOU QUESTIONS FOR THAT.>>I DON’T NEED CHEERIOS.>>I DON’T NEED CHEERIOS.>>IT IS FOUR BUCKS.>>IT IS FOUR BUCKS.>>>>. .>>DID THE FOUR OF YOU THINK>>DID THE FOUR OF YOU THINK THERE SHOULD BE A GOVERNMENT THERE SHOULD BE A GOVERNMENT TAKE OVER OF THE HEALTHCARE TAKE OVER OF THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM? SYSTEM?>>I AM GLAD YOU ARE ASKING>>I AM GLAD YOU ARE ASKING QUESTIONS SO I CAN ASK YOU THE QUESTIONS SO I CAN ASK YOU THE QUESTION BACK. QUESTION BACK. AGAIN, TALKING ELIZABETH MILLER, AGAIN, TALKING ELIZABETH MILLER, EVERYBODY MAKES A MISTAKE. EVERYBODY MAKES A MISTAKE. YOU GO OUT AND YOU TALK ABOUT YOU GO OUT AND YOU TALK ABOUT HOW YOU ARE GOING TO SAVE HOW YOU ARE GOING TO SAVE HEALTHCARE. HEALTHCARE. IF IT FITS ON A BUMPER STICKER, IF IT FITS ON A BUMPER STICKER, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A LONG YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A LONG RIDE. RIDE. BARACK OBAMA SAW IT WITH BARACK OBAMA SAW IT WITH OBAMACARE. OBAMACARE. BY THE END HE WAS HAVING TO MAKE BY THE END HE WAS HAVING TO MAKE DEALS WITH BIG PHARMA AND DEALS WITH BIG PHARMA AND ASSOCIATIONS. ASSOCIATIONS. IT WAS AN UGLY PROCESS. IT WAS AN UGLY PROCESS. WHERE DO WE TAKE OBAMACARE FROM WHERE DO WE TAKE OBAMACARE FROM HERE? HERE? WHAT DO WE TAKE THE AFFORDABLE WHAT DO WE TAKE THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT FROM HERE? CARE ACT FROM HERE? AND HOW DO YOU DO IT? AND HOW DO YOU DO IT? NOT JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE AN NOT JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE AN INDEPENDENT AND YOU WILL INDEPENDENT AND YOU WILL SPRINKLE MAGIC DUST ON SPRINKLE MAGIC DUST ON WASHINGTON, D.C. WASHINGTON, D.C. HOW DO YOU GET REPUBLICANS AND HOW DO YOU GET REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS BUY INTO A HEALTHCARE DEMOCRATS BUY INTO A HEALTHCARE PLAN THAT CAN FIX THE COUNTRY. PLAN THAT CAN FIX THE COUNTRY. WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MONEY, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MONEY, ONE O F THE OUTRAGEOUS THINGS ONE O F THE OUTRAGEOUS THINGS HERE IS WE SPEND MORE MONEY PER HERE IS WE SPEND MORE MONEY PER PATIENT THAN ANY COUNTRY IN THE PATIENT THAN ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND WE STILL HAVE SINGLE WORLD AND WE STILL HAVE SINGLE MOMS WITH THEIR KIDS AT 11:30 AT MOMS WITH THEIR KIDS AT 11:30 AT NIGHT IN AN EMERGENCY ROOM USING NIGHT IN AN EMERGENCY ROOM USING THE E.R. AS THEIR PRIMARY THE E.R. AS THEIR PRIMARY HEALTHCARE PROVIDER. HEALTHCARE PROVIDER. IT IS IMMORAL. IT IS IMMORAL. IT IS A DISGRACE. IT IS A DISGRACE. WE ARE STILL GOING BANKRUPT PUT WE ARE STILL GOING BANKRUPT PUT PUTTING ON HEALTHCARE. PUTTING ON HEALTHCARE.>>DID YOU KNOW MY PERSONAL>>DID YOU KNOW MY PERSONAL HEALTH STORY? HEALTH STORY?>>NO, WE NEVER TALKED ABOUT IT.>>NO, WE NEVER TALKED ABOUT IT.>>MY FATHER FELL ON A SHEET OF>>MY FATHER FELL ON A SHEET OF ICE WITH FIRE. ICE WITH FIRE. I EXPERIENCED AS A 7-YEAR-OLD I EXPERIENCED AS A 7-YEAR-OLD BOY WHAT HAPPENED WHEN NO HEALTH BOY WHAT HAPPENED WHEN NO HEALTH INSURANCE AND WORKER’S INSURANCE AND WORKER’S COMPENSATION, WE HAD JEWISH COMPENSATION, WE HAD JEWISH FAMILY SERVICES DELIVERING FOOD FAMILY SERVICES DELIVERING FOOD TO OUR APARTMENT WHEN WE ARE OUT TO OUR APARTMENT WHEN WE ARE OUT OF LUCK. OF LUCK. I EXPERIENCED THE SHAME AND FEAR I EXPERIENCED THE SHAME AND FEAR OF NO HEALTHCARE. OF NO HEALTHCARE. THAT’S WHY I BUILT THE KIND OF THAT’S WHY I BUILT THE KIND OF COMPANY THAT MY FATHER NEVER GOT COMPANY THAT MY FATHER NEVER GOT A CHANCE FOR IT AND PUT A CHANCE FOR IT AND PUT HEALTHCARE IN THE PLACE OF HEALTHCARE IN THE PLACE OF STARBUCKS. STARBUCKS.>>IS HEALTHCARE A FUNDAMENTAL>>IS HEALTHCARE A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT FOR EVERY AMERICAN? RIGHT FOR EVERY AMERICAN?>>YES.>>YES. EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD HAVE THE EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT FOR AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE. RIGHT FOR AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE.>>I THOUGHT THE AFFORDABLE CARE>>I THOUGHT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. ACT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. BUT BUT>>I AM REMINED AND SPECIFICALLY>>I AM REMINED AND SPECIFICALLY PREMIUMS HAVE GONE UP. PREMIUMS HAVE GONE UP. WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? NO REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ARE NO REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AND SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. TOGETHER AND SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. THAT’S SELF EVIDENT. THAT’S SELF EVIDENT. GOING BACK TO WHAT I SAID GOING BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER, CAN YOU IMAGINE GIVEN EARLIER, CAN YOU IMAGINE GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT IS NEVER DONE THE FACT THAT IT IS NEVER DONE BEFORE THAT AN INDEPENDENT BEFORE THAT AN INDEPENDENT PERSON LIKE MYSELF, A RAG TO PERSON LIKE MYSELF, A RAG TO RICH RICH RICHESS STORY COULD POSSIBLY BE RICHESS STORY COULD POSSIBLY BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. STATES. WE WANT CHANGE. WE WANT CHANGE.>>BUT WHAT KIND OF CHANGE?>>BUT WHAT KIND OF CHANGE? YOU SIT DOWN AND YOU GOT MITCH YOU SIT DOWN AND YOU GOT MITCH McCONNELL HERE AND NANCY PELOSI McCONNELL HERE AND NANCY PELOSI THERE, YOU LOOK AT THEM, HERE IS THERE, YOU LOOK AT THEM, HERE IS THE DEAL. THE DEAL. WE DPOTGOT TO FIX OUR HEALTHCARE WE DPOTGOT TO FIX OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM. SYSTEM. NANCY, WHAT’S YOUR IDEA? NANCY, WHAT’S YOUR IDEA? HOW DO WE DO THIS? HOW DO WE DO THIS?>>WE BRING IN WHAT I HAVE DONE>>WE BRING IN WHAT I HAVE DONE MY ENTIRE CAREER, PEOPLE SMARTER MY ENTIRE CAREER, PEOPLE SMARTER THAN MYSELF WITH SKILLS AND THAN MYSELF WITH SKILLS AND EXPERIENCE BEYOND MITCH EXPERIENCE BEYOND MITCH McCONNELL AND NANCY PELOSI IN McCONNELL AND NANCY PELOSI IN THE ROOM, GET PRIVATE ENTERPRISE THE ROOM, GET PRIVATE ENTERPRISE IN THE ROOM AND REALIZE WE ALL IN THE ROOM AND REALIZE WE ALL NEED TO HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME. NEED TO HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME. CORPORATIONS NEED TO DO MORE FOR CORPORATIONS NEED TO DO MORE FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES LIKE STARBUCKS THEIR EMPLOYEES LIKE STARBUCKS DID. DID. WE DEMONSTRATED THAT YOU CAN BE WE DEMONSTRATED THAT YOU CAN BE PROFITABLE AND PROVIDE PROFITABLE AND PROVIDE HEALTHCARE. HEALTHCARE.>>THE HEALTHCARE STEAL BUSINESS>>THE HEALTHCARE STEAL BUSINESS BASE. BASE.>>NOT ONLY BUT PARTIALLY.>>NOT ONLY BUT PARTIALLY. WE HAVE TO REALIZE WHAT’S WRONG WE HAVE TO REALIZE WHAT’S WRONG OF THE POLITICAL SYSTEM IS OF THE POLITICAL SYSTEM IS PHARMA HAS MANY SPECIAL SBRELSS PHARMA HAS MANY SPECIAL SBRELSS INTERESTS IN THE NRA. INTERESTS IN THE NRA. I AM NOT PLAYING BY THOSE RULES I AM NOT PLAYING BY THOSE RULES ANYMORE. ANYMORE. I AM GOING TO BREAK THE LOG JAM. I AM GOING TO BREAK THE LOG JAM. PHARMA IS GOING TO NEGOTIATE PHARMA IS GOING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND WE’LL WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND WE’LL HAVE COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY. HAVE COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY. IF YOU DON’T, WE ARE COMING IF YOU DON’T, WE ARE COMING AFTER YOU. AFTER YOU.>>LET’S STICK WITH HEALTHCARE>>LET’S STICK WITH HEALTHCARE PACKAGES, HEALTHCARE AND INCOME PACKAGES, HEALTHCARE AND INCOME OF EQUALITY, WHAT WILL YOU DO TO OF EQUALITY, WHAT WILL YOU DO TO RESTORE THE UNION OF THIS RESTORE THE UNION OF THIS COUNTRY? COUNTRY?>>UNIONS ARRIVED IN AMERICA>>UNIONS ARRIVED IN AMERICA BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF BAD BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF BAD ACTORS. ACTORS. UNIONS HAVE ARRIVED ON THE SCENE UNIONS HAVE ARRIVED ON THE SCENE BECAUSE COMPANIES WERE NOT DOING BECAUSE COMPANIES WERE NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THEIR THE RIGHT THING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. EMPLOYEES. THEY’RE ALSO VERY GOOD AT THEY’RE ALSO VERY GOOD AT COMPANIES IN AMERICA AND GOOD COMPANIES IN AMERICA AND GOOD MANAGEMENT IN AMERICA WHO MANAGEMENT IN AMERICA WHO RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE TO SHARE RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE TO SHARE SUCCESS THAT NOT EVERY BUSINESS SUCCESS THAT NOT EVERY BUSINESS DECISION IS AN ECONOMIC ONE. DECISION IS AN ECONOMIC ONE. UNIONS HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY. UNIONS HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY. THE ANSWER TO IN EQUALITY IS THE ANSWER TO IN EQUALITY IS COMPREHENSIVE TAX REFORM. COMPREHENSIVE TAX REFORM. I WAS OUTRAGED WHEN PRESIDENT I WAS OUTRAGED WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP GAVE A FREE RIDE TO TRUMP GAVE A FREE RIDE TO CORPORATIONS OF 21% TAX RATE. CORPORATIONS OF 21% TAX RATE. THAT WAS WRONG, ESPECIALLY WRONG THAT WAS WRONG, ESPECIALLY WRONG WHEN WE DID NOTHING TO HELP THE WHEN WE DID NOTHING TO HELP THE PEOPLE WHO NEEDED MOST. PEOPLE WHO NEEDED MOST. WE NEED COMPREHENSIVE TAX WE NEED COMPREHENSIVE TAX REFORMS. REFORMS.>>CAPITAL GAINS.>>CAPITAL GAINS.>>EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE LOOKED>>EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT IN A FAIRWAY. AT IN A FAIRWAY.>>YOU WERE OPPOSED TO THE>>YOU WERE OPPOSED TO THE TRUMP’S TAX CUT? TRUMP’S TAX CUT?>>YES, 100%.>>YES, 100%. I WAS PUBLIC ABOUT THAT. I WAS PUBLIC ABOUT THAT. NOW WE ARE GOING TO SEE THIS. NOW WE ARE GOING TO SEE THIS.>>ONE QUICK QUESTION AND WE GOT>>ONE QUICK QUESTION AND WE GOT TO GO TO BREAK. TO GO TO BREAK.>>THIS IS RAPID FIRE.>>THIS IS RAPID FIRE.>>THIS IS GOING GREAT.>>THIS IS GOING GREAT.>>IT IS CALLED HAZING.>>IT IS CALLED HAZING.>>YOU NEED TO COME HERE>>YOU NEED TO COME HERE EVERYDAY. EVERYDAY. I AM CURIOUS, SO MUCH OF WHAT’S I AM CURIOUS, SO MUCH OF WHAT’S DRIVING THE AMERICAN POLITICS IS DRIVING THE AMERICAN POLITICS IS IMPACTED BY 2008, OF COURSE, THE IMPACTED BY 2008, OF COURSE, THE COLLAPSE. COLLAPSE.>>YES.>>YES.>>DO YOU THINK, FORGET ANY SORT>>DO YOU THINK, FORGET ANY SORT OF POPULOUS STRAND. OF POPULOUS STRAND. DON’T YOU THINK SOME MORE PEOPLE DON’T YOU THINK SOME MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT CRASH SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL? CRASH SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL?>>YES.>>YES.>>DON’T YOU THINK IT IS A CRIME>>DON’T YOU THINK IT IS A CRIME THAT WE HAVE KIDS THAT SPENDS THAT WE HAVE KIDS THAT SPENDS TIME IN JAIL FOR SMOKING POT AND TIME IN JAIL FOR SMOKING POT AND YOU GOT PEOPLE THAT DESTROY YOU GOT PEOPLE THAT DESTROY AMERICAN LIVES AND HAVE WIPED AMERICAN LIVES AND HAVE WIPED OUT THEIR LIFELONG EARNINGS AND OUT THEIR LIFELONG EARNINGS AND THEY NEVER SPEND A DAY IN THEY NEVER SPEND A DAY IN PRISON. PRISON.>>YES, WHO’S RESPONSIBLE FOR>>YES, WHO’S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? THAT? THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN POWER. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN POWER. THE LEADERS OF THE GOVERNMENT, THE LEADERS OF THE GOVERNMENT, THE REPUBLICANS AND THE THE REPUBLICANS AND THE DEMOCRATS. DEMOCRATS.>>AND, AND, THE PEOPLE THAT>>AND, AND, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE RUNNING THE BANKS AND THE WERE RUNNING THE BANKS AND THE INVESTMENT FIRMS. INVESTMENT FIRMS.>>AGREE.>>AGREE.>>THAT WERE MILKING THE SYSTEM.>>THAT WERE MILKING THE SYSTEM.>>BUT WHO’S RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT>>BUT WHO’S RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT PUTTING THOSE PEOPLE IN JAIL? PUTTING THOSE PEOPLE IN JAIL?>>IT WAS THE LEADER OF THE>>IT WAS THE LEADER OF THE GOVERNMENT. GOVERNMENT.>>SO YOU WOULD.>>SO YOU WOULD.>>ABSOLUTELY.>>ABSOLUTELY. THE STATUS QUO IS NOT WORKING THE STATUS QUO IS NOT WORKING AND THE LEADERS OF BOTH PARTIES AND THE LEADERS OF BOTH PARTIES ARE DOING ONE THING, BASED ON ARE DOING ONE THING, BASED ON SELF INTEREST. SELF INTEREST. I KNOW YOU WILL GET TO THE BOOK I KNOW YOU WILL GET TO THE BOOK WHICH I LOVE. WHICH I LOVE. IF YOU ARE DEMOCRATIC OR IF YOU ARE DEMOCRATIC OR REPUBLICAN TODAY AND YOU JUST REPUBLICAN TODAY AND YOU JUST WANT TO GO FIVE INCHES AWAY FROM WANT TO GO FIVE INCHES AWAY FROM THE IDEOLOGY OF THE PARTY, YOU THE IDEOLOGY OF THE PARTY, YOU KNOW THIS, YOU ARE OUT. KNOW THIS, YOU ARE OUT.>>IT IS UNBELIEVERABLEABLE.>>IT IS UNBELIEVERABLEABLE.>>IT IS LIKE THE GOD FATHER,>>IT IS LIKE THE GOD FATHER, YOU NEVER GET CREDIT. YOU NEVER GET CREDIT.>>SENATOR WARREN PUT OUT A>>SENATOR WARREN PUT OUT A PLAN. PLAN. YOU CALL THAT PLAN RIDICULOUS. YOU CALL THAT PLAN RIDICULOUS. WE SHOW A POLL EARLIER IN THE WE SHOW A POLL EARLIER IN THE SHOW. SHOW.>>WELL, IF THAT PLAN WAS PUT IN>>WELL, IF THAT PLAN WAS PUT IN PLACE, IT PROBABLY CAN FUND THE PLACE, IT PROBABLY CAN FUND THE GOVERNMENT A DAY OR TWO. GOVERNMENT A DAY OR TWO. THAT’S NOT THE ANSWER. THAT’S NOT THE ANSWER. THE ANSWER IS LET’S TAKE A STEP THE ANSWER IS LET’S TAKE A STEP BACK AFTER THIS. BACK AFTER THIS. LET’S NOT SEND OUT A TWEET OR LET’S NOT SEND OUT A TWEET OR PRESS RELEASE THAT DOES NOT MAKE PRESS RELEASE THAT DOES NOT MAKE NEWS. NEWS. LET’S GET SERIOUS PEOPLE AROUND LET’S GET SERIOUS PEOPLE AROUND THE TABLE AND SOLVE THIS PROBLEM THE TABLE AND SOLVE THIS PROBLEM ONCE AND FOR ALL WHICH IS ONCE AND FOR ALL WHICH IS COMPREHENSIVE TAX REFORM. COMPREHENSIVE TAX REFORM.>>DO YOU THINK ELIZABETH WARREN>>DO YOU THINK ELIZABETH WARREN IS A SERIOUS PERSON? IS A SERIOUS PERSON?>>YES, SHE IS A SERIOUS PERSON.>>YES, SHE IS A SERIOUS PERSON. SHE CAME TO ME A FEW YEARS AGO SHE CAME TO ME A FEW YEARS AGO ASKING FOR CONTRIBUTION? ASKING FOR CONTRIBUTION?>>DID YOU GIVE IT TO HER?>>DID YOU GIVE IT TO HER?>>NO.>>NO. I DID NOT. I DID NOT. I DON’T BELIEVE THE COUNTRY I DON’T BELIEVE THE COUNTRY SHOULD HEAD TO SOCIALISM. SHOULD HEAD TO SOCIALISM.>>DO YOU THINK SHE’S A>>DO YOU THINK SHE’S A SOCIALIST? SOCIALIST?>>SHE’S A SMART WOMAN, I>>SHE’S A SMART WOMAN, I RESPECT HER. RESPECT HER. THIS IS NOT PERSONAL. THIS IS NOT PERSONAL. I JUST DON’T AGREE WITH HER. I JUST DON’T AGREE WITH HER.>>WE NEED TO HAVE THAT>>WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ANOTHER TIME. CONVERSATION ANOTHER TIME.>>YOU NEED TO COME BACK.>>YOU NEED TO COME BACK.>>I HAVE TO LEAVE ALREADY?>>I HAVE TO LEAVE ALREADY?>>WE GOT ANOTHER SEGMENT.>>WE GOT ANOTHER SEGMENT.>>YOU NEED TO TRY CHEERIOS.>>YOU NEED TO TRY CHEERIOS. I LOUGH C LOVE CHEERIOS. I LOUGH C LOVE CHEERIOS.>>I AM A YOGA GUY.>>I AM A YOGA GUY.>>WE NEED YOU TO COME BACK.>>WE NEED YOU TO COME BACK.>>I WOULD SAY IT RIGHT NOW.>>I WOULD SAY IT RIGHT NOW. IF YOU COME HERE AND SAID I AM IF YOU COME HERE AND SAID I AM RUNNING AS A DEMOCRATIC THEN RUNNING AS A DEMOCRATIC THEN EVERY HEADLINE OF TOMORROW WOULD EVERY HEADLINE OF TOMORROW WOULD BE YOU FILL THE SPACE OF JOE BE YOU FILL THE SPACE OF JOE BIDEN AND YOU WOULD BE THE BIDEN AND YOU WOULD BE THE CANDIDATE TO WATCH OUT FOR. CANDIDATE TO WATCH OUT FOR. RIGHT NOW THE QUESTION IS IF JOE RIGHT NOW THE QUESTION IS IF JOE BIDEN RUNS, ARE YOU GUYS BIDEN RUNS, ARE YOU GUYS FIGHTING? FIGHTING?>>I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR>>I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE COUNTRY IF BIDEN RUNS OR THE COUNTRY IF BIDEN RUNS OR BLOOMBERG RUNS. BLOOMBERG RUNS. I THINK IT WILL BE A WONDERFUL I THINK IT WILL BE A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY AND EXCHANGE. OPPORTUNITY AND EXCHANGE.>>YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT.>>YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. DID THE SAME PEOPLE PREDICTING DID THE SAME PEOPLE PREDICTING THAT DONALD TRUMP WOULD NEVER BE THAT DONALD TRUMP WOULD NEVER BE ELECTED AS PRESIDENT OF THE ELECTED AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. UNITED STATES.>>NOBODY KNOWS NOTHING.>>NOBODY KNOWS NOTHING.>>I KNOW ONE THING, I LOVE>>I KNOW ONE THING, I LOVE AMERICA AND I WANT TO TRY TO FIX AMERICA AND I WANT TO TRY TO FIX THE PROBLEM AND THE PEOPLE THE PROBLEM AND THE PEOPLE THAT’S LEFT BEHIND. THAT’S LEFT BEHIND.>>HOWARD SCHULTZ.>>HOWARD SCHULTZ.>>HIS BOOK “FROM THE GROUND UP”>>HIS BOOK “FROM THE GROUND UP” IS OUT NOW.

Exploring The Koch Brothers’ Political Influence | Velshi & Ruhle | MSNBC


. .>>>TIME NOW FOR “MONEY, POWER,>>>TIME NOW FOR “MONEY, POWER, POLITICS.” POLITICS.” IN THE 2018 ELECTION CYCLE IN THE 2018 ELECTION CYCLE CONSERVATIVE BILLIONAIRES CONSERVATIVE BILLIONAIRES CHARLES AND DAVID KOCH SPENT CHARLES AND DAVID KOCH SPENT ALMOST $400 MILLION BUCKS WITH ALMOST $400 MILLION BUCKS WITH $20 MILLION DEDICATED TO MAKING $20 MILLION DEDICATED TO MAKING SURE THE TAX CUTS PASSED. SURE THE TAX CUTS PASSED. THERE ARE FEW INDIVIDUALS WITH THERE ARE FEW INDIVIDUALS WITH MORE INFLUENCE IN BUSINESS AND MORE INFLUENCE IN BUSINESS AND POLITICS THAN THESE TWO BROTHERS POLITICS THAN THESE TWO BROTHERS ON YOUR SCREEN. ON YOUR SCREEN. THEY OWN ROUGHLY 80% OF KOCH THEY OWN ROUGHLY 80% OF KOCH INDUSTRIES. INDUSTRIES. NOW, WE HEAR ABOUT THEIR NOW, WE HEAR ABOUT THEIR POLITICAL DONATIONS AND THEIR POLITICAL DONATIONS AND THEIR LOBBYING EFFORTS AGAINST CLIMATE LOBBYING EFFORTS AGAINST CLIMATE CHANGE INITIATIVES BUT RARELY CHANGE INITIATIVES BUT RARELY HEAR ABOUT HOW THIS FAMILY GOT HEAR ABOUT HOW THIS FAMILY GOT SO POWERFUL. SO POWERFUL. IN THE NEW BOOK “KOCHLAND” IN THE NEW BOOK “KOCHLAND” KRISTOFFER LEONARD DESCRIBES HOW KRISTOFFER LEONARD DESCRIBES HOW CHARLES KOCH TURNED THIS COMPANY CHARLES KOCH TURNED THIS COMPANY INTO A $110 BILLION EMPIRE AND INTO A $110 BILLION EMPIRE AND HAVE INFILTRATED JUST ABOUT HAVE INFILTRATED JUST ABOUT EVERY THREAD OF AMERICAN LIFE. EVERY THREAD OF AMERICAN LIFE. I’LL SHARE THIS QUOTE. I’LL SHARE THIS QUOTE. THE COMPANY IS EMBEDDED IN THE THE COMPANY IS EMBEDDED IN THE HIDDEN INFRASTRUCTURE OF EVERY HIDDEN INFRASTRUCTURE OF EVERY DAY LIFE. DAY LIFE. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE USE KOCH MILLIONS OF PEOPLE USE KOCH PRODUCTS WITHOUT EVER SEEING PRODUCTS WITHOUT EVER SEEING KOCH’S NAME ATTACHED. KOCH’S NAME ATTACHED. JOINING ME NOW THE AUTHOR JOINING ME NOW THE AUTHOR OF “KOCHLAND THE SECRET STORY OF OF “KOCHLAND THE SECRET STORY OF KOCH INDUSTRIES AND CORPORATE KOCH INDUSTRIES AND CORPORATE POWER IN AMERICA.” POWER IN AMERICA.” CHRISTOPHER, YOU NOTE WE USE CHRISTOPHER, YOU NOTE WE USE KOCH PRODUCTS EVERY DAY AND KOCH PRODUCTS EVERY DAY AND ALMOST NEVER SEE THEIR NAME. ALMOST NEVER SEE THEIR NAME. WHAT ARE THE PRODUCTS? WHAT ARE THE PRODUCTS? HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?>>WELL, THIS COMPANY>>WELL, THIS COMPANY SPECIALIZES IN THE KINDS OF SPECIALIZES IN THE KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT UNDERPIN BUSINESSES THAT UNDERPIN CIVILIZATION. CIVILIZATION. KOCH MAKES FUEL, FERTILIZER, KOCH MAKES FUEL, FERTILIZER, BUILDING MATERIALS, CLOTHING BUILDING MATERIALS, CLOTHING MATERIALS, THE SENSORS IN YOUR MATERIALS, THE SENSORS IN YOUR CELL PHONES. CELL PHONES. THE KIND OF STUFF YOU USE EVERY THE KIND OF STUFF YOU USE EVERY DAY BUT NEVER DIRECTLY PURCHASE DAY BUT NEVER DIRECTLY PURCHASE IF YOU WILL. IF YOU WILL. AND THE PROFITS FROM THIS HAVE AND THE PROFITS FROM THIS HAVE BEEN STUNNING. BEEN STUNNING. KOCH’S ANNUAL SALES FOR EXAMPLE KOCH’S ANNUAL SALES FOR EXAMPLE ARE LARGER THAN THAT OF ARE LARGER THAN THAT OF FACEBOOK, GOLDMAN SACHS, AND FACEBOOK, GOLDMAN SACHS, AND U.S. STEEL COMBINED. U.S. STEEL COMBINED. THIS IS A MASSIVE COMPANY THAT THIS IS A MASSIVE COMPANY THAT AFFECTS MILLIONS OF AMERICANS. AFFECTS MILLIONS OF AMERICANS.>>THEN HOW ON EARTH DO WE>>THEN HOW ON EARTH DO WE BARELY KNOW ABOUT THEM? BARELY KNOW ABOUT THEM? I WANT TO SHARE A QUOTE FROM THE I WANT TO SHARE A QUOTE FROM THE BOOK. BOOK. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE SECRECY. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE SECRECY. YOU WRITE, SECRECY WAS A YOU WRITE, SECRECY WAS A STRATEGIC NECESSITY FOR KOCH STRATEGIC NECESSITY FOR KOCH INDUSTRIES. INDUSTRIES. CHARLES KOCH DID NOT WANT TO CHARLES KOCH DID NOT WANT TO SURRENDER IT. SURRENDER IT. HE ALSO DIDN’T WANT TO SURRENDER HE ALSO DIDN’T WANT TO SURRENDER CONTROL. CONTROL. HE HAD A SPECIFIC, CLEAR VISION HE HAD A SPECIFIC, CLEAR VISION OF HOW TO RUN HIS COMPANY AND HE OF HOW TO RUN HIS COMPANY AND HE DIDN’T NEED WALL STREET DIDN’T NEED WALL STREET INVESTORS TO INTERFERE. INVESTORS TO INTERFERE. SO WAS THE MAGIC OF ALL THIS TO SO WAS THE MAGIC OF ALL THIS TO KEEP THE COMPANY PRIVATE? KEEP THE COMPANY PRIVATE?>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>THAT’S RIGHT. WHAT IS SO INTERESTING TO ME IS WHAT IS SO INTERESTING TO ME IS THE SECRECY AROUND THIS THE SECRECY AROUND THIS CORPORATION. CORPORATION. WE KNOW KOCH, FOR EXAMPLE, VERY WE KNOW KOCH, FOR EXAMPLE, VERY INTENTIONALLY DISGUISES ITS INTENTIONALLY DISGUISES ITS POLITICAL DONATIONS. POLITICAL DONATIONS. WELL, THAT COMES FROM THE WELL, THAT COMES FROM THE BUSINESS ITSELF. BUSINESS ITSELF. AND WHAT I REALIZED IS THAT AND WHAT I REALIZED IS THAT SECRECY IS STRATEGIC FOR KOCH SECRECY IS STRATEGIC FOR KOCH INDUSTRIES. INDUSTRIES. FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A COMPANY FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A COMPANY THAT IS REALLY DEEPLY INVOLVED THAT IS REALLY DEEPLY INVOLVED IN WHAT WE WOULD CALL TRADING, IN WHAT WE WOULD CALL TRADING, BUYING AND SELLING, ENERGY, BUYING AND SELLING, ENERGY, SUPPLIES, EVEN BUYING AND SUPPLIES, EVEN BUYING AND SELLING OTHER COMPANIES. SELLING OTHER COMPANIES. WHEN THAT’S YOUR LINE OF WORK WHEN THAT’S YOUR LINE OF WORK YOU REALLY DON’T WANT OTHER YOU REALLY DON’T WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW AND PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW AND TO KNOW WHAT YOU’RE BE TO DO. TO KNOW WHAT YOU’RE BE TO DO. THAT’S WHY SECRECY IS SO THAT’S WHY SECRECY IS SO FUNDAMENTAL TO THIS COMPANY. FUNDAMENTAL TO THIS COMPANY.>>CHARLIE, YOU HAVE SEEN THIS>>CHARLIE, YOU HAVE SEEN THIS PLAY OUT IN WISCONSIN, WISCONSIN PLAY OUT IN WISCONSIN, WISCONSIN POLITICS. POLITICS. PUT IT INTO CONTEXT. PUT IT INTO CONTEXT.>>WELL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY>>WELL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE BEEN MAJOR PLAYERS IN THE HAVE BEEN MAJOR PLAYERS IN THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT AND THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT AND THE RISE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BUT RISE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BUT WHAT IS INTERESTING TO ME, ALSO, WHAT IS INTERESTING TO ME, ALSO, IS THE WAY THAT — IS THE RULE IS THE WAY THAT — IS THE RULE THEY’RE GOING TO PLAY IN THE ERA THEY’RE GOING TO PLAY IN THE ERA OF TRUMP. OF TRUMP. THEY NEVER REALLY GOT ON BOARD THEY NEVER REALLY GOT ON BOARD WITH DONALD TRUMP AND THE THING WITH DONALD TRUMP AND THE THING ABOUT THE KOCHS AND I’M TALKING ABOUT THE KOCHS AND I’M TALKING ABOUT POLITICS, IN CONTRAST TO ABOUT POLITICS, IN CONTRAST TO SOME OF THE OTHER PLAYERS LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER PLAYERS LIKE THE MERCERS, THEY DO THINK THEY THE MERCERS, THEY DO THINK THEY ACTUALLY CARED ABOUT IDEAS. ACTUALLY CARED ABOUT IDEAS. AND I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN AND I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN WILLING TO STAY ARMS LENGTH. WILLING TO STAY ARMS LENGTH.>>AND –>>AND –>>THEY BOUGHT INTO THE WHOLE>>THEY BOUGHT INTO THE WHOLE STEVE BANNON, YOU KNOW, TRUMP STEVE BANNON, YOU KNOW, TRUMP SORT OF WORLD VIEW. SORT OF WORLD VIEW. AND I THINK THAT IT’S AND I THINK THAT IT’S INTERESTING TO ME TO NOTE WHAT INTERESTING TO ME TO NOTE WHAT ROLE THE KOCHS WILL PLAY OR THE ROLE THE KOCHS WILL PLAY OR THE KOCH — THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL KOCH — THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL PLAY IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND PLAY IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT POST THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT POST DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP. THESE GUYS ARE HARD TO KIND OF, THESE GUYS ARE HARD TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IS JUST PUT INTO A BOX YOU KNOW, IS JUST PUT INTO A BOX BECAUSE THEY’RE QUITE BECAUSE THEY’RE QUITE LIBERTARIAN. LIBERTARIAN. THEY ARE INTERESTED IN A WHOLE THEY ARE INTERESTED IN A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS. LOT OF THINGS.>>KRISTOFFER,CHRISTOPHER YOU GO>>KRISTOFFER,CHRISTOPHER YOU GO GREATER DETAIL AROUND HOW DONALD GREATER DETAIL AROUND HOW DONALD TRUMP WAS CERTAINLY NOT THE KOCH TRUMP WAS CERTAINLY NOT THE KOCH BROTHERS’ BOY. BROTHERS’ BOY. THEY CONSIDERED FIVE DIFFERENT THEY CONSIDERED FIVE DIFFERENT REPUBLICANS IN 2016. REPUBLICANS IN 2016. NONE OF THEM WERE THE PRESIDENT. NONE OF THEM WERE THE PRESIDENT. YOU WROTE THIS. YOU WROTE THIS. IN MANY WAYS, DONALD TRUMP POSED IN MANY WAYS, DONALD TRUMP POSED A GREATER POLITICAL THREAT TO A GREATER POLITICAL THREAT TO CHARLES KOCH’S POLITICAL AGENDA CHARLES KOCH’S POLITICAL AGENDA THAN BARACK OBAMA. THAN BARACK OBAMA. THAT IS A BIG STATEMENT. THAT IS A BIG STATEMENT. HOW? HOW?>>WELL, CHARLES KOCH HAS BEEN>>WELL, CHARLES KOCH HAS BEEN PATIENTLY WORKING TO RESHAPE THE PATIENTLY WORKING TO RESHAPE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR 40 YEARS. REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR 40 YEARS. HIS GOAL AS CHARLIE JUST SAID IS HIS GOAL AS CHARLIE JUST SAID IS TO MAKE THE REPUBLICANS MORE TO MAKE THE REPUBLICANS MORE LIBERTARIAN WITH THIS POINT OF LIBERTARIAN WITH THIS POINT OF VIEW THAT GOVERNMENT MUST BE VIEW THAT GOVERNMENT MUST BE LIMITED AND MUST NEVER INTERVENE LIMITED AND MUST NEVER INTERVENE IN MARKETS. IN MARKETS. WHEN DONALD TRUMP CAME ALONG IN WHEN DONALD TRUMP CAME ALONG IN 2016, HE UP ENDED THAT 2016, HE UP ENDED THAT PHILOSOPHY. PHILOSOPHY. DONALD TRUMP CLEARLY BELIEVES DONALD TRUMP CLEARLY BELIEVES THAT GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION IS THAT GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION IS NOT ONLY APPROPRIATE BUT NOT ONLY APPROPRIATE BUT DESIRABLE. DESIRABLE. JUST LOOK AT THE TARIFFS. JUST LOOK AT THE TARIFFS. LOOK AT THE TRADE WAR. LOOK AT THE TRADE WAR. DONALD TRUMP IS SEEKING TO DONALD TRUMP IS SEEKING TO RESHAPE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NOW RESHAPE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NOW IN HIS OWN IMAGE, WHICH IS THIS IN HIS OWN IMAGE, WHICH IS THIS SO-CALLED AMERICA FIRST AGENDA. SO-CALLED AMERICA FIRST AGENDA. IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE AMERICA FIRST AGENDA IS ANATHEMA AMERICA FIRST AGENDA IS ANATHEMA TO THE KOCH NETWORK. TO THE KOCH NETWORK. THERE IS A STRUGGLE AND A FIGHT THERE IS A STRUGGLE AND A FIGHT FOR CONTROL FOR THE FUTURE OF FOR CONTROL FOR THE FUTURE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND I THINK