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“DEADLINE: WHITE HOUSE” STARTS NOW. NOW.>>>HI, EVERYONE, IT’S 4:00 IN>>>HI, EVERYONE, IT’S 4:00 IN NEW YORK. NEW YORK. WITH WARNING SIGNS FLASHING RED WITH WARNING SIGNS FLASHING RED THAT THE ECONOMY COULD BE HEED THAT THE ECONOMY COULD BE HEED FOR TURMOIL. FOR TURMOIL. THE DOW CLOSING OVER 800 POINTS THE DOW CLOSING OVER 800 POINTS DOWN TODAY AS DONALD TRUMP’S DOWN TODAY AS DONALD TRUMP’S POLITICAL WEAKNESS, FOREIGN POLITICAL WEAKNESS, FOREIGN POLICY CLUELESSNESS AND POLICY CLUELESSNESS AND ABDICATION OF AMERICAN ABDICATION OF AMERICAN LEADERSHIP ON THE WORLD STAGE IS LEADERSHIP ON THE WORLD STAGE IS ON FULL AND STARK DISPLAY. ON FULL AND STARK DISPLAY. THE WORLD’S EYES ON HONG KONG. THE WORLD’S EYES ON HONG KONG. PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTESTERS SPILLED PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTESTERS SPILLED THE STREETS ON THE FOURTH DAY OF THE STREETS ON THE FOURTH DAY OF ESCALATING TENSIONS THERE. ESCALATING TENSIONS THERE. THE KIND OF STANDOFF AMERICA THE KIND OF STANDOFF AMERICA USED TO TAKE A CLEAR STAND ON USED TO TAKE A CLEAR STAND ON THE SIDE OF PRO-DEMOCRACY THE SIDE OF PRO-DEMOCRACY FORCES. FORCES. TODAY IT’S UNCLEAR WHERE THE TODAY IT’S UNCLEAR WHERE THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT COMES DOWN. AMERICAN PRESIDENT COMES DOWN. POLITICO REPORTS THIS — POLITICO REPORTS THIS — LAWMAKERS AND GOVERNMENT LAWMAKERS AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ACROSS WASHINGTON, OFFICIALS ACROSS WASHINGTON, INCLUDING SON INCLUDING SON INCLUDING SOME OF PRESIDENT’S INCLUDING SOME OF PRESIDENT’S DONALD TRUMP’S ADVISERS ARE DONALD TRUMP’S ADVISERS ARE GROWING INCREASINGLY ALARMED GROWING INCREASINGLY ALARMED WITH WHAT’S DPG ONGOING ON IN HO WITH WHAT’S DPG ONGOING ON IN HO KONG. KONG. MORE THAN THE MOST, INCLUDING MORE THAN THE MOST, INCLUDING TRUMP. TRUMP. UNLIKE MOST PRESIDENTS HE SHOWS UNLIKE MOST PRESIDENTS HE SHOWS FONDNESS FOR AUTHORITARIAN FONDNESS FOR AUTHORITARIAN LEADERS AND LITTLE INTEREST FOR LEADERS AND LITTLE INTEREST FOR PROMOTING HUMAN RIGHTS OR PROMOTING HUMAN RIGHTS OR DEMOCRACY. DEMOCRACY. “THE NEW YORK TIMES” WRITES, “THE NEW YORK TIMES” WRITES, VIOLENCE CASE LATES AND OLD VIOLENCE CASE LATES AND OLD ANIMOSITIES REKINDLED ACROSS ANIMOSITIES REKINDLED ACROSS ASIA, WASHINGTON HAS CHOSEN ASIA, WASHINGTON HAS CHOSEN INACTION AND GOVERNMENTS ARE INACTION AND GOVERNMENTS ARE IGNORING THE TRUMP IGNORING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION’S MILD ADMONITION ADMINISTRATION’S MILD ADMONITION AND CALLS FOR CALM. AND CALLS FOR CALM. THE INABILITY OR UNWILLINGNESS THE INABILITY OR UNWILLINGNESS OF WASHINGTON TO HELP DEFUSE THE OF WASHINGTON TO HELP DEFUSE THE FLASH POINTS IS ONE OF THE FLASH POINTS IS ONE OF THE CLEAREST SIGNS YET OF THE CLEAREST SIGNS YET OF THE EROSION OF AMERICAN POWER AND EROSION OF AMERICAN POWER AND GLOBAL INFLUENCE UNDER MR. GLOBAL INFLUENCE UNDER MR. TRUMP, WHO HAS STUCK TO HIS TRUMP, WHO HAS STUCK TO HIS AMERICA FIRST IDEA OF AMERICA FIRST IDEA OF DISENGAGEMENT. DISENGAGEMENT. HERE’S THE PRESIDENT’S REACTION HERE’S THE PRESIDENT’S REACTION TO WHAT ADDTRATION OFFICIAL TO WHAT ADDTRATION OFFICIAL DESCRIBES TO POLITICO AS, QUOTE, DESCRIBES TO POLITICO AS, QUOTE, AS CLOSE TO A TIANANMEN SQUARE AS CLOSE TO A TIANANMEN SQUARE POTENTIALLY THAT YOU’RE BOGGOING POTENTIALLY THAT YOU’RE BOGGOING GET IN A MODERN AGE. GET IN A MODERN AGE.>>IT’S A VERY TRICKY SITUATION.>>IT’S A VERY TRICKY SITUATION. I THINK IT WILL WORK OUT AND I I THINK IT WILL WORK OUT AND I HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR LIBERTY. HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR LIBERTY. I HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR I HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR EVERYBODY, INCLUDING CHINA. EVERYBODY, INCLUDING CHINA. I WORK IT WORKS OUT EQUALLY. I WORK IT WORKS OUT EQUALLY. I HOPE NOBODY GETS HURT. I HOPE NOBODY GETS HURT. I HOPE NOBODY GETS KILLED. I HOPE NOBODY GETS KILLED.>>VERY TRICKY SITUATION.>>VERY TRICKY SITUATION. I HOPE NOBODY GETS KILLED. I HOPE NOBODY GETS KILLED. MY, HOW FAR WE’VE COME FROM A MY, HOW FAR WE’VE COME FROM A SHINING CITY ON A HILL. SHINING CITY ON A HILL. AND YESTERDAY HIS FIRST PUBLIC AND YESTERDAY HIS FIRST PUBLIC EVENT SINCE TENSIONS IN HONG EVENT SINCE TENSIONS IN HONG KONG ERUPTED, THE PRESIDENT HAD KONG ERUPTED, THE PRESIDENT HAD A LOT OF THINGS OTHER THAN THE A LOT OF THINGS OTHER THAN THE PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTEST ON HIS PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTEST ON HIS MIND. MIND.>>I THINK WE’RE LOOKING DID ALL>>I THINK WE’RE LOOKING DID ALL OVER IN OHIO, IN NORTH CAROLINA, OVER IN OHIO, IN NORTH CAROLINA, IN SOUTH CAROLINA, FLORIDA. IN SOUTH CAROLINA, FLORIDA. WE JUST GOT NUMBERS IN FLORIDA. WE JUST GOT NUMBERS IN FLORIDA. LOOKING FANTASTICALLY GOOD. LOOKING FANTASTICALLY GOOD. I GOT SUED ON A THING CALLED I GOT SUED ON A THING CALLED EMOLUMENTS. EMOLUMENTS. EVER HEARD OF IT? EVER HEARD OF IT? NOBODY HEARD OF IT BEFORE. NOBODY HEARD OF IT BEFORE. NOBODY LOOKS AT OBAMA GETTING NOBODY LOOKS AT OBAMA GETTING $16 MILLION FOR A BOOK. $16 MILLION FOR A BOOK. EVEN THOUGH NOBODY IN HISTORY EVEN THOUGH NOBODY IN HISTORY GOT THAT MUCH FOR A BOOK. GOT THAT MUCH FOR A BOOK. THEY SAID DON’T WORRY ABOUT THE THEY SAID DON’T WORRY ABOUT THE RAIN. RAIN. DO WE HAVE UMBRELLAS? DO WE HAVE UMBRELLAS? UMBRELLAS WORK VERY WELL. UMBRELLAS WORK VERY WELL. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY’RE MADE IN ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY’RE MADE IN AMERICA. AMERICA. I ALWAYS LOVE TRUCKS. I ALWAYS LOVE TRUCKS. I STILL DO. I STILL DO. NOTHING CHANGES. NOTHING CHANGES. SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT BECOME SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT BECOME PRESIDENT BUT NOTHING CHANGES. PRESIDENT BUT NOTHING CHANGES. I STILL LOVE TRUCKS. I STILL LOVE TRUCKS.>>WORLD IS ON FIRE AND TRUMP IS>>WORLD IS ON FIRE AND TRUMP IS MUSING PUBLICLY ABOUT HIS POLL MUSING PUBLICLY ABOUT HIS POLL NUMBERS IN BATTLEGROUND STATES, NUMBERS IN BATTLEGROUND STATES, HIS LOVE OF UMBRELLAS AND TRUCKS HIS LOVE OF UMBRELLAS AND TRUCKS AND PRESIDENT OBAMA’S BOOK DEAL. AND PRESIDENT OBAMA’S BOOK DEAL. THAT’S WHERE WE START WITH SOME THAT’S WHERE WE START WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND OF OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND FRIEND. FRIEND. THE WHITE HOUSE REPORTER FOR THE WHITE HOUSE REPORTER FOR “L.A. TIMES,” RICK STENGEL WHO “L.A. TIMES,” RICK STENGEL WHO WORKED IN PRESIDENT OBAMA’S WORKED IN PRESIDENT OBAMA’S STATE DEPARTMENT AND FORMER STATE DEPARTMENT AND FORMER MANAGING EDITOR AT “TIME” MANAGING EDITOR AT “TIME” MAGAZINE, EUGENE ROBINSON FROM MAGAZINE, EUGENE ROBINSON FROM “THE WASHINGTON POST,” AND ALSO “THE WASHINGTON POST,” AND ALSO JOINING US FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF JOINING US FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF TO VICE PRESIDENTS JOE BIDEN, AL TO VICE PRESIDENTS JOE BIDEN, AL GORE. GORE. I HAVE TO START WITH YOU, RICK I HAVE TO START WITH YOU, RICK STENGEL. STENGEL. SO MUCH OF WHAT TRUMP DOES I SO MUCH OF WHAT TRUMP DOES I WOULD PUT IN THE CATEGORY OF WOULD PUT IN THE CATEGORY OF STUPID HUMAN TRICKS. STUPID HUMAN TRICKS. HE SAYS SUCH DUMB THINS BUT HE SAYS SUCH DUMB THINS BUT THERE ARE NOT LIVES AT STAKE OR THERE ARE NOT LIVES AT STAKE OR CONSEQUENCES. CONSEQUENCES. THIS IS A MOMENT EVERY AMERICAN THIS IS A MOMENT EVERY AMERICAN PRESIDENT, I WOULD THINK, IF YOU PRESIDENT, I WOULD THINK, IF YOU JUDGE THEIR RECORDS AND THE WAY JUDGE THEIR RECORDS AND THE WAY THEY RESPONDED, WOULD BE THEY RESPONDED, WOULD BE STANDING UP MORE FORCEFULLY IN STANDING UP MORE FORCEFULLY IN THE WAY THE OTHER DEMOCRATS IN THE WAY THE OTHER DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS HAVE BEEN DOING WITH CONGRESS HAVE BEEN DOING WITH THE PRO-DEMOCRACY FORCES. THE PRO-DEMOCRACY FORCES. THE PRESIDENT WOULD BE BACK IN THE PRESIDENT WOULD BE BACK IN THE SITUATION ROOM, NOT GIVING A THE SITUATION ROOM, NOT GIVING A CAMPAIGN RALLY. CAMPAIGN RALLY.>>YES, YOU KNOW, POLITICAL>>YES, YOU KNOW, POLITICAL SCIENTISTS TALK ABOUT FOREIGN SCIENTISTS TALK ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY ALONG A CONTINUUM BETWEEN POLICY ALONG A CONTINUUM BETWEEN REALISM AND IDEALISM. REALISM AND IDEALISM. JOHN ADAMS WAS THE ORIGINAL JOHN ADAMS WAS THE ORIGINAL REALIST. REALIST. WE DON’T GO IN SEARCH OF WE DON’T GO IN SEARCH OF MONSTERS THAT DESTROY. MONSTERS THAT DESTROY. EVER SINCE BILL WILSON WAS EVER SINCE BILL WILSON WAS PRESIDENT, EVERY AMERICAN PRESIDENT, EVERY AMERICAN PRESIDENT HAD TO INCORPORATE PRESIDENT HAD TO INCORPORATE IDEALISM IN THEIR FOREIGN IDEALISM IN THEIR FOREIGN POLICY. POLICY. SO WHEN SOMETHING IS HAPPENING SO WHEN SOMETHING IS HAPPENING IN HONG KONG, EVERY AMERICAN IN HONG KONG, EVERY AMERICAN PRESIDENT UNTIL NOW WOULD SAY WE PRESIDENT UNTIL NOW WOULD SAY WE SIDE WITH THE PEOPLE OF HONG SIDE WITH THE PEOPLE OF HONG KONG IN THE PURSUIT OF LIBERTY KONG IN THE PURSUIT OF LIBERTY AND HUMAN RIGHTS. AND HUMAN RIGHTS. THAT WAS THE CITY ON A HILL THAT THAT WAS THE CITY ON A HILL THAT AMERICA REPRESENTED FOR PEOPLE AMERICA REPRESENTED FOR PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AS MY OLD BOSS JOHN KERRY USED AS MY OLD BOSS JOHN KERRY USED TO SAY, PEOPLE DON’T WAKE UP AT TO SAY, PEOPLE DON’T WAKE UP AT NIGHT WORRIED THAT WE’RE NIGHT WORRIED THAT WE’RE INVOLVED. INVOLVED. THEY WAKE UP AT NIGHT WORRYING THEY WAKE UP AT NIGHT WORRYING WE’RE NOT INVOLVED. WE’RE NOT INVOLVED. IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE WORLD AND IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE WORLD AND WHEREVER WE LEAVE AND WITHDRAW, WHEREVER WE LEAVE AND WITHDRAW, AS WE ARE DOING NOW, THEY’RE AS WE ARE DOING NOW, THEY’RE NEVER REPLACED BY A BETTER NEVER REPLACED BY A BETTER ACTOR. ACTOR.>>LET ME STOP YOU.>>LET ME STOP YOU. IS THAT STILL TRUE? IS THAT STILL TRUE?>>I THINK IT IS TRUE.>>I THINK IT IS TRUE. THERE ARE NO OTHER ACTORS, NOT THERE ARE NO OTHER ACTORS, NOT BETTER ACTS. BETTER ACTS. WHEN WILBUR ROSS SAID IT’S AN WHEN WILBUR ROSS SAID IT’S AN INTERNAL MATTER THE FOREIGN INTERNAL MATTER THE FOREIGN MINISTER OF RUSSIA AND CHINA MINISTER OF RUSSIA AND CHINA WERE DANCING UP AND DOWN. WERE DANCING UP AND DOWN. WHAT NOBODY TALKS ABOUT, BECAUSE WHAT NOBODY TALKS ABOUT, BECAUSE TRUMP DOESN’T UNDERSTAND T. HE’S TRUMP DOESN’T UNDERSTAND T. HE’S MOVING US TO A SPHERE OF MOVING US TO A SPHERE OF INFLUENCE WORLD. INFLUENCE WORLD. THAT’S THE 19th CENTURY WHERE NO THAT’S THE 19th CENTURY WHERE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DID WAS ODIOUS MATTER WHAT YOU DID WAS ODIOUS OR AGGRESSIVE, IN YOUR SPHERE OF OR AGGRESSIVE, IN YOUR SPHERE OF INFLUENCE, WE’RE NOT GOING TO INFLUENCE, WE’RE NOT GOING TO MESS IT. MESS IT. WE’RE NOT INVOLVED IN THAT. WE’RE NOT INVOLVED IN THAT. THAT’S TRUMP AND WHAT RUSSIA AND THAT’S TRUMP AND WHAT RUSSIA AND CHINA WANT AND WILBUR ROSS SAY CHINA WANT AND WILBUR ROSS SAY WE DO TODAY. WE DO TODAY. EVERY AMERICAN PRESIDENT SINCE EVERY AMERICAN PRESIDENT SINCE WILSON WAS HAVING A HEART ATTACK WILSON WAS HAVING A HEART ATTACK TODAY AND IT’S NOT WHAT AMERICA TODAY AND IT’S NOT WHAT AMERICA SHOULD REPRESENT AROUND THE SHOULD REPRESENT AROUND THE WORLD. WORLD. THERE AND IT ENDS UP IN WORLD THERE AND IT ENDS UP IN WORLD WAR I, WHERE IT HAD. WAR I, WHERE IT HAD. AND IN ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATION, AND IN ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATION, AS YOU SAID, THE ADMINISTRATION AS YOU SAID, THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD HAVE DEVELOPED A RESPONSE. WOULD HAVE DEVELOPED A RESPONSE. FIRST OF ALL, THERE WOULD HAVE FIRST OF ALL, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN DAILY WHITE HOUSE BEEN DAILY WHITE HOUSE BRIEFINGS. BRIEFINGS. WITH THE BRIEFINGS THE PRESS WITH THE BRIEFINGS THE PRESS SECRETARY WOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED SECRETARY WOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED ABOUT THE HONG KONG ABOUT THE HONG KONG DEMONSTRATIONS. DEMONSTRATIONS. THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A CAREFULLY WRITTEN AND MODULATED CAREFULLY WRITTEN AND MODULATED STATEMENT IN SUPPORT OF HUMAN STATEMENT IN SUPPORT OF HUMAN RIGHTS. RIGHTS. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A PROCESS. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A PROCESS. EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT IT WAS, WHAT THE IT WAS, WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION’S POSITION WAS. ADMINISTRATION’S POSITION WAS. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN STATED BY THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN STATED BY THE PRESS SECRETARY OR PERHAPS THE PRESS SECRETARY OR PERHAPS BY THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF. BY THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF. THIS IS JUST, TWEET THIS, BABBLE THIS IS JUST, TWEET THIS, BABBLE THAT. THAT. IT’S INCREDIBLE. IT’S INCREDIBLE.>>IT’S WORSE THAN THAT.>>IT’S WORSE THAN THAT. THE REPORTING THAT I CITED SITES THE REPORTING THAT I CITED SITES POMPEO, OUR COUNTRY’S SECRETARY POMPEO, OUR COUNTRY’S SECRETARY OF STATE, WHO SHOULD BE IF OF STATE, WHO SHOULD BE IF NOTHING ELSE A SAFETY NET FOR NOTHING ELSE A SAFETY NET FOR OTHER WORLD LEADERS AND OTHER WORLD LEADERS AND COUNTRIES IN CRISIS, HE WAS, COUNTRIES IN CRISIS, HE WAS, QUOTE, AFRAID TO GET AHEAD OF QUOTE, AFRAID TO GET AHEAD OF TRUMP. TRUMP. IT’S NOT EVEN THAT. IT’S NOT EVEN THAT. IT’S ACCOMMODATING TRUMP’S IT’S ACCOMMODATING TRUMP’S AFFINITY FOR DICTATORS AS THE OR AFFINITY FOR DICTATORS AS THE OR THING SUGGESTS. THING SUGGESTS.>>HE HAS AN AFFINITY FOR>>HE HAS AN AFFINITY FOR DICTATORS AND SEEMS NOT TO CARE DICTATORS AND SEEMS NOT TO CARE IF JOHNNY COMES IN AND MOWS DOWN IF JOHNNY COMES IN AND MOWS DOWN THE PROTESTERS AND GENERALLY THE PROTESTERS AND GENERALLY THINK THAT’S AN INTERNAL MATTER THINK THAT’S AN INTERNAL MATTER FOR CHINA TO DEAL WITH HOWEVER FOR CHINA TO DEAL WITH HOWEVER IT CHOOSES. IT CHOOSES. IT’S A SCARY THING TO THINK IT’S A SCARY THING TO THINK THAT’S WHAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE THAT’S WHAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES BELIEVES AND TENDS UNITED STATES BELIEVES AND TENDS TO ACT ON BUT IT DOES SEEM TO BE TO ACT ON BUT IT DOES SEEM TO BE WHAT HE BELIEVES. WHAT HE BELIEVES.>>ELI, I’M SO RELUCTANT TO SORT>>ELI, I’M SO RELUCTANT TO SORT OF ASKING QUESTIONS IN THE FRAME OF ASKING QUESTIONS IN THE FRAME OF THE LOWERING OF THE BAR BUT OF THE LOWERING OF THE BAR BUT I’M GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY. I’M GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY. YESTERDAY OSTENSIBLY AN EVENT YESTERDAY OSTENSIBLY AN EVENT ABOUT ENERGY, CLEARLY HE’S NOT ABOUT ENERGY, CLEARLY HE’S NOT CAPABLE OF DOING ANYTHING AN CAPABLE OF DOING ANYTHING AN EVENT IS OSTENSIBLY ABOUT. EVENT IS OSTENSIBLY ABOUT. HE STANDS UP AND OPENS HIS MOUTH HE STANDS UP AND OPENS HIS MOUTH AND WHAT STILL IS VOWED IS AND WHAT STILL IS VOWED IS WHAT’S ON HIS MIND, POLL WHAT’S ON HIS MIND, POLL NUMBERS, OBAMA’S BIG BOOK DEAL, NUMBERS, OBAMA’S BIG BOOK DEAL, UMBRELLAS AND TRUCKS. UMBRELLAS AND TRUCKS. IS ANYTHING ELSE — AM I MISSING IS ANYTHING ELSE — AM I MISSING ANYTHING? ANYTHING? IS ANYTHING HAPPENING BACK AT IS ANYTHING HAPPENING BACK AT THE WHITE HOUSE? THE WHITE HOUSE?>>YOU KNOW WHEN YOU TALKED>>YOU KNOW WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT EVERYBODY THAT WORKS IN ABOUT EVERYBODY THAT WORKS IN THE BUILDING WHO IS JUST THERE THE BUILDING WHO IS JUST THERE TO SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE TO SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. THEY RECOGNIZE THAT AND THAT THEY RECOGNIZE THAT AND THAT MEANS NOT CONFLICTING WITH HIM MEANS NOT CONFLICTING WITH HIM OR GIVING HIM ADVICE OR OR GIVING HIM ADVICE OR CONSTRUCTION HE CONSTRUCTION HE INSTRUCTION HE DOESN’T WANT TO INSTRUCTION HE DOESN’T WANT TO HEAR. HEAR. RACKS BY THE RACKS BY THE REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT ON REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT ON ECONOMY AND MANUFACTURING, AS ECONOMY AND MANUFACTURING, AS BELIEVABLE AS INFRASTRUCTURE BELIEVABLE AS INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN THEY THREW THAT TERMINOLOGY WHEN THEY THREW THAT TERMINOLOGY AROUND. AROUND. BUT THAT’S HOW THE PRESIDENT IS, BUT THAT’S HOW THE PRESIDENT IS, HIS STREAM OF CONSCIOUS. HIS STREAM OF CONSCIOUS. IT’S ABOUT HIM. IT’S ABOUT HIM. LAST WEEK I WAS ON AIR FORCE ONE LAST WEEK I WAS ON AIR FORCE ONE IN THE POOL AND WE WENT TO IN THE POOL AND WE WENT TO DAYTON AND EL PASO WITH THE DAYTON AND EL PASO WITH THE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. WE DIDN’T SEE A LOT OF HIM UNTIL WE DIDN’T SEE A LOT OF HIM UNTIL THE END BUT YOU COULD JUST TELL THE END BUT YOU COULD JUST TELL AFTER THE FACT WHAT HE SAID TO AFTER THE FACT WHAT HE SAID TO US ON THE PLANE OFF THE RECORD US ON THE PLANE OFF THE RECORD AND FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND AND FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND REPORTING THAT’S COME OUT AT THE REPORTING THAT’S COME OUT AT THE END THAT WAS A DAY AND WHAT WAS END THAT WAS A DAY AND WHAT WAS ON THE PRESIDENT’S MIND WAS NOT ON THE PRESIDENT’S MIND WAS NOT CONSOLING THE COMMUNITY AS MUCH CONSOLING THE COMMUNITY AS MUCH AS HOW HE WAS RECEIVED BY THE AS HOW HE WAS RECEIVED BY THE COMMUNITIES. COMMUNITIES. THAT’S WHAT HE TALKED ABOUT. THAT’S WHAT HE TALKED ABOUT. THAT’S THE FIRST THING HE SAID THAT’S THE FIRST THING HE SAID WHEN ASKED BY OUR REPORTER, WHAT WHEN ASKED BY OUR REPORTER, WHAT HAS TODAY BEEN LIKE? HAS TODAY BEEN LIKE? THEY HAVE A TREMENDOUS RESPECT THEY HAVE A TREMENDOUS RESPECT FOR THE PRESIDENCY. FOR THE PRESIDENCY. HE’S ALWAYS THE CENTRAL HE’S ALWAYS THE CENTRAL CHARACTER IN HIS DRAMA HE’S CHARACTER IN HIS DRAMA HE’S TALKING ABOUT AND THAT’S THE TALKING ABOUT AND THAT’S THE SAME WAY HE APPROACHES FOREIGN SAME WAY HE APPROACHES FOREIGN POLICY. POLICY. THERE’S A CRISIS IN KASHMIR THERE’S A CRISIS IN KASHMIR BETWEEN INDIA AND PAKISTAN BETWEEN INDIA AND PAKISTAN SIMMERING AND THE PRESIDENT SIMMERING AND THE PRESIDENT THINKS HE CAN MODERATE THIS. THINKS HE CAN MODERATE THIS. HE THINKS IF HE’S INVOLVED, CAN HE THINKS IF HE’S INVOLVED, CAN HE SOLVE ANY GLOBAL PROBLEM, HE SOLVE ANY GLOBAL PROBLEM, WHETHER IT’S TENSIONS IN THAT WHETHER IT’S TENSIONS IN THAT REGION. REGION. WHETHER IT’S GETTING KIM JONG-UN WHETHER IT’S GETTING KIM JONG-UN TO GIVE UP HIS NUCLEAR PROGRAM. TO GIVE UP HIS NUCLEAR PROGRAM. HE BELIEVES IF HE’S INVOLVED, HE HE BELIEVES IF HE’S INVOLVED, HE CAN FIX IT LIKE TRADE WARS HE CAN FIX IT LIKE TRADE WARS HE SAID ARE GOOD AND EASY TO WIN. SAID ARE GOOD AND EASY TO WIN. IF HE’S NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, IF HE’S NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, HE DOESN’T SEEM THAT INTERESTED HE DOESN’T SEEM THAT INTERESTED OR CONCERNED. OR CONCERNED. YESTERDAY HE’S SAYING, WHY ARE YESTERDAY HE’S SAYING, WHY ARE THEY BLAMING ME FOR THE CRISIS THEY BLAMING ME FOR THE CRISIS IN HONG KONG? IN HONG KONG? HE’S FORGETTING JUST A FEW WEEKS HE’S FORGETTING JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO IN LATE JULY HE SPOKE ABOUT AGO IN LATE JULY HE SPOKE ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE AND SAID WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE AND SAID CHINA’S GONE EASY ON THEM. CHINA’S GONE EASY ON THEM. CHINA COULD DO A LOT MORE. CHINA COULD DO A LOT MORE. THEY COULD BE A LOT STRONGER. THEY COULD BE A LOT STRONGER. WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK AS A WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK AS A TACIT GREEN LIGHT TO XI TO GO IN TACIT GREEN LIGHT TO XI TO GO IN FORCEFULLY TO THESE FORCEFULLY TO THESE PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTESTERS AND PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTESTERS AND THAT’S A WORLD VIEW OF TRUMP’S THAT’S A WORLD VIEW OF TRUMP’S WE’VE SEEN THAT’S CONSISTENT WE’VE SEEN THAT’S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT HE SAID FOR YEARS WITH WHAT HE SAID FOR YEARS ABOUT AUTOCRATS AND STRENGTH, ABOUT AUTOCRATS AND STRENGTH, HIS IDEA OF STRENGTH. HIS IDEA OF STRENGTH. IT’S HARD POWER. IT’S HARD POWER. DOESN’T BELIEVE IN SOFT POWER, DOESN’T BELIEVE IN SOFT POWER, HE BELIEVES IN HARD POWER. HE BELIEVES IN HARD POWER.>>RON KLAIN, SOMEBODY RAN>>RON KLAIN, SOMEBODY RAN AGAINST DONALD TRUMP IN THE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP IN THE PRIMARIES AND SAID THE MOMENT HE PRIMARIES AND SAID THE MOMENT HE WAS MOST VULNERABLE WHEN HE WAS WAS MOST VULNERABLE WHEN HE WAS OUTED TO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE OUTED TO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE NUCLEAR NUCLEAR NUCLEAR TRY ADWAS. NUCLEAR TRY ADWAS. TO THE DEGREE HE HAS NO SHAME ON TO THE DEGREE HE HAS NO SHAME ON HIS STUNNING KNOWLEDGE ON HIS STUNNING KNOWLEDGE ON FOREIGN POLICY, WHAT IS IT — BE FOREIGN POLICY, WHAT IS IT — BE TAKE YOUR SOURCE’S WORDS FOR TAKE YOUR SOURCE’S WORDS FOR THAT. THAT. THIS IS SOMEONE DEFEATED BY THIS IS SOMEONE DEFEATED BY DONALD TRUMP AND EXAMINING THE DONALD TRUMP AND EXAMINING THE MOLTS TRUMP IS MOST VULNERABLE, MOLTS TRUMP IS MOST VULNERABLE, I ACCEPT THE CONCLUSION THAT WAS I ACCEPT THE CONCLUSION THAT WAS ONE OF THEM. ONE OF THEM. IF YOU TAKE THAT AND TAKE ALL OF IF YOU TAKE THAT AND TAKE ALL OF THE REPORTING ABOUT BASICALLY THE REPORTING ABOUT BASICALLY EVERY INSULT’S ALREADY BEEN EVERY INSULT’S ALREADY BEEN LOBBED AT DONALD TRUMP, AND HE’S LOBBED AT DONALD TRUMP, AND HE’S STILL STANDING. STILL STANDING. YOU KNOW HAVE PRO-DEMOCRACY YOU KNOW HAVE PRO-DEMOCRACY FORCES AS EVERYONE HAS SAID, ANY FORCES AS EVERYONE HAS SAID, ANY OTHER AMERICAN WOULD BE STANDING OTHER AMERICAN WOULD BE STANDING UP FOR BECAUSE LIVES ARE ON THE UP FOR BECAUSE LIVES ARE ON THE LINE. LINE. NOT JUST IN FOREIGN POLICY THAT NOT JUST IN FOREIGN POLICY THAT AFFECT OUR NATIONAL SECURITY BUT AFFECT OUR NATIONAL SECURITY BUT LIVES OF THE PRO DEMOCRACY LIVES OF THE PRO DEMOCRACY PROTESTERS. PROTESTERS. WHAT WOULD YOU ADVISE ANY WHAT WOULD YOU ADVISE ANY CRITIC, NOT JUST A DEMOCRAT, BUT CRITIC, NOT JUST A DEMOCRAT, BUT ANY CRITIC OF DONALD TRUMP’S ANY CRITIC OF DONALD TRUMP’S CONDUCT OVER THE LAST FOUR DAYS CONDUCT OVER THE LAST FOUR DAYS TO DO AND SAY IN. TO DO AND SAY IN.>>LOOK, NICOLLE, IT LOCKS LIKE>>LOOK, NICOLLE, IT LOCKS LIKE THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE NO THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE NO LONGER JUST THE KBUN CONTROLGUN LONGER JUST THE KBUN CONTROLGUN POLICY OF THE TRUMP POLICY OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. ADMINISTRATION. HE’S STANDING ON THE TARMAC HE’S STANDING ON THE TARMAC SAYING I HOPE IT WORKS OUT OKAY, SAYING I HOPE IT WORKS OUT OKAY, PEACEFUL AND WHATEVER. PEACEFUL AND WHATEVER. FOR HIS CRITICS, REPUBLICAN FOR HIS CRITICS, REPUBLICAN CRITICS AND DEMOCRATIC CRITICS, CRITICS AND DEMOCRATIC CRITICS, AN AMERICA ABSENT FROM THE WORLD AN AMERICA ABSENT FROM THE WORLD STAGE AND ABSENT FOR STANDING STAGE AND ABSENT FOR STANDING FROM DEMOCRACY GOES TO RICK’S FROM DEMOCRACY GOES TO RICK’S POINT OF IDEALISM AND REALISM. POINT OF IDEALISM AND REALISM. THERE’S AN IDEALISTIC ELEMENT, THERE’S AN IDEALISTIC ELEMENT, AMERICANS STANDING FOR DEMOCRACY AMERICANS STANDING FOR DEMOCRACY BUT REALISTIC ELEMENT. BUT REALISTIC ELEMENT. ONE COUNTRY’S GOING TO WRITE THE ONE COUNTRY’S GOING TO WRITE THE RULES FOR THE 21st CENTURY, RULES FOR THE 21st CENTURY, EITHER THE UNITED STATES OR EITHER THE UNITED STATES OR CHINA. CHINA. IF AMERICA DOESN’T LEAN FORWARD, IF AMERICA DOESN’T LEAN FORWARD, WE ARE BASICALLY CEDING THE WE ARE BASICALLY CEDING THE ENTIRE PACIFIC TO CHINA. ENTIRE PACIFIC TO CHINA. THAT’S NOT ONLY BAD FOR THAT’S NOT ONLY BAD FOR DEMOCRACY, IT’S BAD FOR OUR DEMOCRACY, IT’S BAD FOR OUR ALLIES THERE AND COUNTRIES LIKE ALLIES THERE AND COUNTRIES LIKE SOUTH KOREAN AND JAPAN, IT’S BAD SOUTH KOREAN AND JAPAN, IT’S BAD FOR AMERICAN INTERESTS AND TRADE FOR AMERICAN INTERESTS AND TRADE AND JOBS. AND JOBS. I THINK WHAT TRUMP’S CRITICS I THINK WHAT TRUMP’S CRITICS HAVE TO HIT ON IS THE PASS HAVE TO HIT ON IS THE PASS SIEVETY, IGNORANCE, INDIFFERENCE SIEVETY, IGNORANCE, INDIFFERENCE BY TRUMP THAT IS PUTTING OUR BY TRUMP THAT IS PUTTING OUR IDEALS AT RISK, ECONOMY AT RISK IDEALS AT RISK, ECONOMY AT RISK AND NATIONAL SECURITY AT RISK. AND NATIONAL SECURITY AT RISK. AND I THINK THAT’S THE CRITIQUE AND I THINK THAT’S THE CRITIQUE THAT NEEDS TO COME AT TRUMP. THAT NEEDS TO COME AT TRUMP.>>ELISE, LET ME HAVE YOU TEE UP>>ELISE, LET ME HAVE YOU TEE UP ON ALL OF THIS AND GIVE YOU ONE ON ALL OF THIS AND GIVE YOU ONE MORE REPORTING FROM “THE NEW MORE REPORTING FROM “THE NEW YORK TIMES.” YORK TIMES.” WANING OF AMERICAN POWER TRUMP WANING OF AMERICAN POWER TRUMP STRUGGLES OF AN ASIA CRISIS. STRUGGLES OF AN ASIA CRISIS. BY FAILING TO ACT AND ASSUME BY FAILING TO ACT AND ASSUME LEADERSHIP IN THE REGION, TRUMP LEADERSHIP IN THE REGION, TRUMP IS ALLOWING LONG, COMPLICATED IS ALLOWING LONG, COMPLICATED HISTORY TO FALL BACK AS HISTORY TO FALL BACK AS TRADITIONAL RIVALS. TRADITIONAL RIVALS. THE MORE THEY FEEL UNITED STATES THE MORE THEY FEEL UNITED STATES IS AN UNRELIABLE PARTNER, THE IS AN UNRELIABLE PARTNER, THE MORE THEY WILL DEFEND MORE THEY WILL DEFEND THEMSELVES. THEMSELVES. I’M HEARING GROWING CALLS IN I’M HEARING GROWING CALLS IN SOUTH KOREA FOR THEIR OWN SOUTH KOREA FOR THEIR OWN NUCLEAR WEAPONS. NUCLEAR WEAPONS. THAT IS AN EXPERT AT THE WILSON THAT IS AN EXPERT AT THE WILSON CENTER. CENTER. DO YOU AGREE? DO YOU AGREE?>>I DO.>>I DO. AND I THINK THAT GOES TO RON’S AND I THINK THAT GOES TO RON’S POINT. POINT. IT’S GOOD TO TALK ABOUT AMERICAN IT’S GOOD TO TALK ABOUT AMERICAN VALUES AND AMERICAN IDEALS BUT VALUES AND AMERICAN IDEALS BUT THIS IS BECOMING AN ISSUE OF THIS IS BECOMING AN ISSUE OF NATIONAL SECURITY FOR THE U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY FOR THE U.S. WHEN INDIA AND PAKISTAN ARE WHEN INDIA AND PAKISTAN ARE FIGHTING OVER KASHMIR, NOW PACK FIGHTING OVER KASHMIR, NOW PACK STAJ STAJ STAN STAN PAKISTAN IS THREATENING ITS PAKISTAN IS THREATENING ITS SUPPORT FOR THE AFGHAN DEAL. SUPPORT FOR THE AFGHAN DEAL. NOW JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA ARE NOW JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA ARE REKINDLING THEIR OLD TRADE REKINDLING THEIR OLD TRADE RIVALRIES. RIVALRIES. THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT ENDING AN THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT ENDING AN YENS PARTNER SHN THAT THE U.S. YENS PARTNER SHN THAT THE U.S. NEEDS FOR SURVEILLANCE ON NORTH NEEDS FOR SURVEILLANCE ON NORTH KOREA. KOREA. YOU LOOK AROUND AND NORTH KOREA YOU LOOK AROUND AND NORTH KOREA TESTED FIVE SHORT-RANGE MISSILES TESTED FIVE SHORT-RANGE MISSILES AND PRESIDENT TRUMP ARE TALKING AND PRESIDENT TRUMP ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW HIM AND KIM JONG-UN ABOUT HOW HIM AND KIM JONG-UN LOVE EACH OTHER. LOVE EACH OTHER. IT’S NOT ONLY LACK OF INTEREST IT’S NOT ONLY LACK OF INTEREST AND LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, BUT THE AND LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, BUT THE MORE THE PRESIDENT RETREATS, MORE THE PRESIDENT RETREATS, OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE RUSSIA AND OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE RUSSIA AND CHINA, THERE ARE COUNTRIES THAT CHINA, THERE ARE COUNTRIES THAT ARE GOING TO FILL THAT VACUUM. ARE GOING TO FILL THAT VACUUM. THEY’RE NOT GOING TO DO IT IN A THEY’RE NOT GOING TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT THE U.S. WANTS. WAY THAT THE U.S. WANTS. PRESIDENT TRUMP DOES HAVE SOME PRESIDENT TRUMP DOES HAVE SOME ADVISERS, YOU KNOW, MATT ADVISERS, YOU KNOW, MATT POTTINGER ON ASIA OR EVEN JOHN POTTINGER ON ASIA OR EVEN JOHN BOLTON, WHO BEHIND THE SCENES BOLTON, WHO BEHIND THE SCENES ARE TRYING TO MAKE SOME ARE TRYING TO MAKE SOME MANEUVERS. MANEUVERS. BUT WHEN YOU FAIL TO SEE SOME BUT WHEN YOU FAIL TO SEE SOME KIND OF HIGH-LEVEL INTEREST AND KIND OF HIGH-LEVEL INTEREST AND ENGAGEMENT FROM THE PRESIDENT, A ENGAGEMENT FROM THE PRESIDENT, A WARNING, FOR INSTANCE TO CHINA, WARNING, FOR INSTANCE TO CHINA, HE’S SAYING THAT HE HOPES NO ONE HE’S SAYING THAT HE HOPES NO ONE GETS KILLED, BUT HE’S NOT MAKING GETS KILLED, BUT HE’S NOT MAKING A STARK WARNING TO CHINA, YOU A STARK WARNING TO CHINA, YOU ABOUT BETTER STAND DOWN. ABOUT BETTER STAND DOWN. INSTEAD HE’S SAYING I HOPE THIS INSTEAD HE’S SAYING I HOPE THIS WORKS OUT FOR CHINA. WORKS OUT FOR CHINA. HE DOES SEEM A LITTLE MORE HE DOES SEEM A LITTLE MORE INTERESTED IN THE TRADE DEAL INTERESTED IN THE TRADE DEAL WITH CHINA THAN CRACKING DOWN ON WITH CHINA THAN CRACKING DOWN ON HUMAN RIGHTS. HUMAN RIGHTS. I THINK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE I THINK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PRESIDENT FEELS VULNERABLE ABOUT PRESIDENT FEELS VULNERABLE ABOUT HIS LACK OF FOREIGN POLICY HIS LACK OF FOREIGN POLICY GRAVITAS AND BE DIPLOMATIC ABOUT GRAVITAS AND BE DIPLOMATIC ABOUT IT, IF THERE’S A SERIOUS IT, IF THERE’S A SERIOUS TIANANMEN-TYPE CRACKDOWN IN HONG TIANANMEN-TYPE CRACKDOWN IN HONG KONG, I THINK THAT COULD BE ONE KONG, I THINK THAT COULD BE ONE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP’S STINGING OF PRESIDENT TRUMP’S STINGING FOREIGN POLICY LEGACIES. FOREIGN POLICY LEGACIES. SO I THINK THAT’S ONE OF THE SO I THINK THAT’S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT HIS ADVISERS AROUND REASONS THAT HIS ADVISERS AROUND HIM ARE VERY CONCERNED. HIM ARE VERY CONCERNED.>>AND, LISTEN, I DON’T WANT TO>>AND, LISTEN, I DON’T WANT TO HOLD THE POSITION, RICK, THAT HOLD THE POSITION, RICK, THAT HAVING A LEARNING CURVE IS A HAVING A LEARNING CURVE IS A POLITICAL VULNERABILITY. POLITICAL VULNERABILITY. WE WOULD NEVER NOMINATE OR ELECT WE WOULD NEVER NOMINATE OR ELECT GOVERNORS. GOVERNORS. WE WOULD NOT ELECT HALF OF THE WE WOULD NOT ELECT HALF OF THE PEOPLE IN CONGRESS AND WE WOULD PEOPLE IN CONGRESS AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE ELECTED DONALD TRUMP. NOT HAVE ELECTED DONALD TRUMP. BUT I GUESS THE TOXICITY IS BUT I GUESS THE TOXICITY IS AROUND THE COMBINATION, THE AROUND THE COMBINATION, THE IMPULSE AND INSTINCT AS A HUMAN IMPULSE AND INSTINCT AS A HUMAN BEING ARE TOLD AUTOCRACYth BEING ARE TOLD AUTOCRACYth THERE’S NO INTELLECTUAL THERE’S NO INTELLECTUAL CURIOSITY AND NO STAFF. CURIOSITY AND NO STAFF. I REMEMBER SAYING — I THINK I REMEMBER SAYING — I THINK SOME OF YOU WERE HERE THE DAY SOME OF YOU WERE HERE THE DAY MATTIS RESIGNED OVER HIS MATTIS RESIGNED OVER HIS DISAGREEMENTS WITH DONALD TRUMP DISAGREEMENTS WITH DONALD TRUMP ON SYRIA POLICY, IT WAS A ON SYRIA POLICY, IT WAS A DANGEROUS DAY NOT JUST FOR THIS DANGEROUS DAY NOT JUST FOR THIS COUNTRY BUT FOR THE WORLD. COUNTRY BUT FOR THE WORLD. HR McMASTER AND DINA POWELL USED HR McMASTER AND DINA POWELL USED TO BE IN THE SIT ROOM EVERY DAY. TO BE IN THE SIT ROOM EVERY DAY. WHO IS EVEN THERE? WHO IS EVEN THERE?>>THE LEARNING CURVE FOR HIM IS>>THE LEARNING CURVE FOR HIM IS JUST THE LEARNING CURVE ABOUT JUST THE LEARNING CURVE ABOUT AMERICAN VALUES. AMERICAN VALUES. HE DOESN’T KNOW WHO WOODROW HE DOESN’T KNOW WHO WOODROW WILSON IS. WILSON IS. HE DOESN’T KNOW WE HAVE HE DOESN’T KNOW WE HAVE HISTORICALLY STOOD UP FOR HUMAN HISTORICALLY STOOD UP FOR HUMAN RIGHTS. RIGHTS. I REMEMBER ONCE HAVING A MEETING I REMEMBER ONCE HAVING A MEETING WITH AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN FOREIGN WITH AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN FOREIGN MINISTER — MINISTER –>>DO YOU THINK HE KNOWS HOW>>DO YOU THINK HE KNOWS HOW MANY DEMOCRACIES THERE ARE IN MANY DEMOCRACIES THERE ARE IN THE WORLD? THE WORLD?>>NO, I DON’T THINK HE EVEN>>NO, I DON’T THINK HE EVEN KNOWS DEMOCRACIES ARE IN KNOWS DEMOCRACIES ARE IN RETREAT. RETREAT. YOU LOOK AT THE LAST TEN YEARS, YOU LOOK AT THE LAST TEN YEARS, FEWER COUNTRIES QUALIFY AS A FEWER COUNTRIES QUALIFY AS A DEMOCRACY. DEMOCRACY. AND THERE’S THIS RISE OF AND THERE’S THIS RISE OF AUTOCRACY, WHICH HE IS AIDING AUTOCRACY, WHICH HE IS AIDING AND ABETTING. AND ABETTING. THAT TO ME IS THE WORST GLOBAL THAT TO ME IS THE WORST GLOBAL AFFAIR AT ALL. AFFAIR AT ALL. I HAD AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN PRIME I HAD AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN PRIME MINISTER S TO ME, YOU COME AND MINISTER S TO ME, YOU COME AND TALK TO ME ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS TALK TO ME ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE CHINESE COME AND SAY I AND THE CHINESE COME AND SAY I WILL BUILD YOU A SUPER HIGHWAY. WILL BUILD YOU A SUPER HIGHWAY. WHO AM I GOING TO LISTEN TO? WHO AM I GOING TO LISTEN TO? OF COURSE YOU’RE GOING TO LISTEN OF COURSE YOU’RE GOING TO LISTEN TO THE CHINESE. TO THE CHINESE. BUT THOSE PEOPLE IN HONG KONG, BUT THOSE PEOPLE IN HONG KONG, THEY NEED TO LISTEN TO AN THEY NEED TO LISTEN TO AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT SAYING WE AMERICAN PRESIDENT SAYING WE SUPPORT YOUR ASPIRATIONS FOR SUPPORT YOUR ASPIRATIONS FOR HUMAN RIGHTS AND FREEDOM OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS AND FREEDOM OF THE PRESS AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH. PRESS AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH. THAT IS THE THING THAT AMERICAN THAT IS THE THING THAT AMERICAN PRESIDENTS HAVE ALWAYS STOOD FOR PRESIDENTS HAVE ALWAYS STOOD FOR AND DONALD TRUMP DOES NOT GET AND DONALD TRUMP DOES NOT GET THAT AND HAS NEVER LEARNED IT. THAT AND HAS NEVER LEARNED IT.>>LISTEN, THAT’S THE OTHER>>LISTEN, THAT’S THE OTHER THING TOO, YOU ASKED WHERE IS THING TOO, YOU ASKED WHERE IS THE STAFF? THE STAFF? WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD IT MAKE IF WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD IT MAKE IF THEY WERE THERE? THEY WERE THERE? I HAVE BEEN CRITICAL OF THIS I HAVE BEEN CRITICAL OF THIS ADMINISTRATION FOR IS ADMINISTRATION FOR IS HOLLOWNESS, THE FACT THEY’RE NOT HOLLOWNESS, THE FACT THEY’RE NOT CAPABLE, EXPERIENCED PEOPLE AT CAPABLE, EXPERIENCED PEOPLE AT ALL LEVELS GOING DOWN AND CAN ALL LEVELS GOING DOWN AND CAN GET STUFF DONE. GET STUFF DONE. BUT THE FACT IS THE PRESIDENT — BUT THE FACT IS THE PRESIDENT — MIKE POMPEO IS NOT A STUPID MIKE POMPEO IS NOT A STUPID PERFECT. PERFECT. I KNOW MIKE POMPEO. I KNOW MIKE POMPEO. HE’S NOT A STUPID PERSON AT ALL. HE’S NOT A STUPID PERSON AT ALL. HE UNDERSTANDS THE HISTORY. HE UNDERSTANDS THE HISTORY. AND SO — AS YOU SAID, HE WON’T AND SO — AS YOU SAID, HE WON’T GET OUT IN FRONT OF THE GET OUT IN FRONT OF THE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. BECAUSE IF HE SAYS SOMETHING, IT BECAUSE IF HE SAYS SOMETHING, IT COULD BE COUNTERED BY TWEET FIVE COULD BE COUNTERED BY TWEET FIVE MINUTES LATER. MINUTES LATER. IT IS THIS DYSTOPIAN AND OTHER IT IS THIS DYSTOPIAN AND OTHER UNIVERSE WE’VE FALLEN INTO. UNIVERSE WE’VE FALLEN INTO. ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATION, ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATION, EVERYONE IN THE WORLD WOULD BE EVERYONE IN THE WORLD WOULD BE WAITING TO HEAR WHAT’S THE WAITING TO HEAR WHAT’S THE UNITED STATES IS SAYING ABOUT UNITED STATES IS SAYING ABOUT HONG KONG. HONG KONG. NOT NOW. NOT NOW. THERE I DON’T LIKE TO GIVE THERE I DON’T LIKE TO GIVE CREDIT TO REPUBLICANS WHO HELPED CREDIT TO REPUBLICANS WHO HELPED BUILD FRANK INSTEIN, UH-OH, BUILD FRANK INSTEIN, UH-OH, FRANK INSTEIN DOESN’T LISTEN TO FRANK INSTEIN DOESN’T LISTEN TO ME OF THE BUT IN THAT VAIN, LET ME OF THE BUT IN THAT VAIN, LET ME SAY ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI SAYING ME SAY ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI SAYING TRUMP MAY NEED TO BE REPLACED TRUMP MAY NEED TO BE REPLACED FOR 2020. FOR 2020. JOE WALSH, ANOTHER TEA PARTY JOE WALSH, ANOTHER TEA PARTY MEMBER, CALLING FOR A PRIMARY MEMBER, CALLING FOR A PRIMARY CHALLENGE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP. CHALLENGE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP. IT’S A LONELY JOURNEY THOUGH, IT’S A LONELY JOURNEY THOUGH, THE PEOPLE THAT KNEW HIM FROM THE PEOPLE THAT KNEW HIM FROM BIRTHERISM AND PEOPLE THAT SAW BIRTHERISM AND PEOPLE THAT SAW HIM ATTACK NURSES AND DOCTORS IN HIM ATTACK NURSES AND DOCTORS IN AFRICA IN 2015 TO FIGHT EBOLA. AFRICA IN 2015 TO FIGHT EBOLA. I GUESS I WILL TAKE A LAKE GUESS I GUESS I WILL TAKE A LAKE GUESS AT THE PARTY — LATE GUESS AT AT THE PARTY — LATE GUESS AT THE PARTY OVER NONE. THE PARTY OVER NONE. BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK OF — BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK OF — THERE NEVER WAS A FOUL-MOUTHED THERE NEVER WAS A FOUL-MOUTHED ENTHUSIAST THAN ANTHONY ENTHUSIAST THAN ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI. SCARAMUCCI.>>I DON’T WANT TO SPEND TOO>>I DON’T WANT TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME WORRYING ABOUT ANTHONY MUCH TIME WORRYING ABOUT ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI BUT THE POINT ABOUT SCARAMUCCI BUT THE POINT ABOUT MIKE POMPEO AND POLITICS OF THE MIKE POMPEO AND POLITICS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, IF MIKE POMPEO REPUBLICAN PARTY, IF MIKE POMPEO IS THE SEBLTS,Z, SECRETARY OF ST IS THE SEBLTS,Z, SECRETARY OF ST OF THE FEW PEOPLE WHO HAS A OF THE FEW PEOPLE WHO HAS A LITTLE TO SAY AND NOT SERVING IN LITTLE TO SAY AND NOT SERVING IN AN ACTING CAPACITY AND YOU’RE AN ACTING CAPACITY AND YOU’RE HERE AND I CAN’T GET RID OF YOU HERE AND I CAN’T GET RID OF YOU AND DON’T DO ANYTHING I DON’T AND DON’T DO ANYTHING I DON’T WANT YOU TO DO OR DON’T LIKE, WANT YOU TO DO OR DON’T LIKE, MIKE POMPEO MAY HAVE AMBITIONS MIKE POMPEO MAY HAVE AMBITIONS TO DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE THIS JOB TO DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE THIS JOB IN THE POLITICAL SPACE. IN THE POLITICAL SPACE. AND IF YOU’RE INTERESTED IN AND IF YOU’RE INTERESTED IN BEING A POLITICIAN, THE BEING A POLITICIAN, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AT THIS MOMENT, REPUBLICAN PARTY AT THIS MOMENT, YOU RECOGNIZE THIS IS DONALD YOU RECOGNIZE THIS IS DONALD TRUMP’S PARTY. TRUMP’S PARTY. AND YOU TALK ALL THE TIME ABOUT AND YOU TALK ALL THE TIME ABOUT WHERE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING WHERE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO PUT SERVICE ABOVE AM IGSBITIO TO PUT SERVICE ABOVE AM IGSBITIO NATIONAL SECURITY ABOVE NATIONAL SECURITY ABOVE POLITICAL ADVANTAGE. POLITICAL ADVANTAGE. I DON’T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. I DON’T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. BUT WE HAVE NOT SEEN TOO MANY BUT WE HAVE NOT SEEN TOO MANY PEOPLE IN THOSE IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN THOSE IMPORTANT POSITIONS ACTUALLY STEP UP AND POSITIONS ACTUALLY STEP UP AND SAY THE THINGS THAT ARE SAY THE THINGS THAT ARE BASICALLY SELF-EVIDENT AT THIS BASICALLY SELF-EVIDENT AT THIS POINT. POINT. YOU SEE PEOPLE LIKE ANTHONY YOU SEE PEOPLE LIKE ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI ON THE SIDELINES WHO SCARAMUCCI ON THE SIDELINES WHO MAY BE ABLE TO GET AN OP ED IN MAY BE ABLE TO GET AN OP ED IN THE PAPER, GET AN INTERVIEW ON THE PAPER, GET AN INTERVIEW ON TV AND COME FORWARD AFTER THE TV AND COME FORWARD AFTER THE FACT AND RECOGNIZE WHAT’S BEEN FACT AND RECOGNIZE WHAT’S BEEN RECOGNIZABLE FOR A LONG, LONG RECOGNIZABLE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. TIME. BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SERVING BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SERVING IN THIS PARTY WHO WANT TO STAY IN THIS PARTY WHO WANT TO STAY IN THIS PARTY, THEY ARE FALLING IN THIS PARTY, THEY ARE FALLING IN LINE BEHIND THIS PRESIDENT IN LINE BEHIND THIS PRESIDENT BECAUSE THAT’S THE POLITICAL BECAUSE THAT’S THE POLITICAL REALITY IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A REALITY IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A PLACE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF PLACE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF 2019. 2019.>>ELISE, I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE>>ELISE, I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE LAST WORD ON THIS. LAST WORD ON THIS. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS TO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS TO UNDERSCORE AND ASK YOUR UNDERSCORE AND ASK YOUR THOUGHTS, JOHN McCAIN USED TO BE THOUGHTS, JOHN McCAIN USED TO BE ANOTHER NUMBER THAT WORLD ANOTHER NUMBER THAT WORLD LEADERS COULD CALL, ESPECIALLY LEADERS COULD CALL, ESPECIALLY RUSSIA’S NEIGHBORS WHO FELT RUSSIA’S NEIGHBORS WHO FELT THREATENED. THREATENED. WHEN I WORKED ON HIS CAMPAIGN, WHEN I WORKED ON HIS CAMPAIGN, HE WAS OFTEN ON THE PHONE WITH HE WAS OFTEN ON THE PHONE WITH FOREIGN LEADERS ABOUT U.S. FOREIGN LEADERS ABOUT U.S. FOREIGN POLICY. FOREIGN POLICY. FRANKLY, HILLARY CLINTON AS FRANKLY, HILLARY CLINTON AS SECRETARY OF STATE AND U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE AND U.S. SENATOR WAS THE SAME KIND OF SENATOR WAS THE SAME KIND OF AMERICAN LEADER. AMERICAN LEADER. JOHN KERRY IN THE SENATE. JOHN KERRY IN THE SENATE. OBVIOUSLY LATER AS SECRETARY OF OBVIOUSLY LATER AS SECRETARY OF STATE. STATE. WHO WOULD THAT EVEN BE? WHO WOULD THAT EVEN BE? LIKE IF YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE LIKE IF YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE AND YOU WANT TO CALL SOMEBODY IN AND YOU WANT TO CALL SOMEBODY IN AMERICA AND SAY, KIDS ARE ABOUT AMERICA AND SAY, KIDS ARE ABOUT TO DIE HERE IN HONG KONG AT THE TO DIE HERE IN HONG KONG AT THE AIRPORT. AIRPORT. IT’S GETTING UGLY. IT’S GETTING UGLY. WHO DO YOU CALL? WHO DO YOU CALL? WHO DO YOU EVEN DIAL? WHO DO YOU EVEN DIAL?>>I THINK AND HOPED IT WOULD BE>>I THINK AND HOPED IT WOULD BE LINDSEY GRAHAM. LINDSEY GRAHAM. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE ISSUES OF NATIONAL SECURITY, ISSUES OF NATIONAL SECURITY, LINDSEY GRAHAM IS SPEAKING OUT. LINDSEY GRAHAM IS SPEAKING OUT.>>BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND –>>BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND — I WOULDN’T CALL LINDSEY GRAHAM. I WOULDN’T CALL LINDSEY GRAHAM.>>I WOULDN’T CALL LINDSEY>>I WOULDN’T CALL LINDSEY GRAHAM EITHER. GRAHAM EITHER. EVEN THOUGH HIS RHETORIC TALKS EVEN THOUGH HIS RHETORIC TALKS IN FAVOR OF THE DEMONSTRATORS, IN FAVOR OF THE DEMONSTRATORS, IT’S FALLING ON NANCY PELOSI. IT’S FALLING ON NANCY PELOSI. SHE SAID SHE’S WILLING TO PUT SHE SAID SHE’S WILLING TO PUT FORWARD LEGISLATION THAT WOULD FORWARD LEGISLATION THAT WOULD SANCTION CHINESE OFFICIALS SANCTION CHINESE OFFICIALS CRACKING DOWN ON HONG KONG. CRACKING DOWN ON HONG KONG. THE QUESTION IS WHAT IMPACT IS THE QUESTION IS WHAT IMPACT IS THAT GOING TO BE? THAT GOING TO BE? I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT A CASE I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT A CASE SUCH AS RUSSIA, THERE WERE SUCH AS RUSSIA, THERE WERE OFFICIALS AROUND PRESIDENT TRUMP OFFICIALS AROUND PRESIDENT TRUMP THAT GAVE HIM SOME SANCTIONS ON THAT GAVE HIM SOME SANCTIONS ON UKRAINE, OTHER ISSUES. UKRAINE, OTHER ISSUES. PRESIDENT TRUMP DIDN’T DISPUTE PRESIDENT TRUMP DIDN’T DISPUTE IT. IT. HE LET IT GO AHEAD. HE LET IT GO AHEAD. I THINK IF OFFICIALS WERE BRAVE I THINK IF OFFICIALS WERE BRAVE ENOUGH TO BRING SOMETHING TO ENOUGH TO BRING SOMETHING TO PRESIDENT TRUMP, HE WOULDN’T SAY PRESIDENT TRUMP, HE WOULDN’T SAY NO. NO. BUT AGAIN WITH THE ABSENCE OF BUT AGAIN WITH THE ABSENCE OF SOME KIND OF PRESIDENTIAL SOME KIND OF PRESIDENTIAL DECLARATION, WARNING AGAINST DECLARATION, WARNING AGAINST CHINA IN SUPPORT OF HONG KONG, I CHINA IN SUPPORT OF HONG KONG, I THINK IT’S GOING TO FALL ON THINK IT’S GOING TO FALL ON CONGRESS AND THE QUESTION IS CONGRESS AND THE QUESTION IS WHAT IMPACT IS IT GOING HAVE? WHAT IMPACT IS IT GOING HAVE?>>YOU WANT TO TRY TO ANSWER>>YOU WANT TO TRY TO ANSWER THAT, WHAT IMPACT, SFLIK. THAT, WHAT IMPACT, SFLIK.>>IT’S GOING TO HAVE A NEGATIVE

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“DEADLINE: WHITE HOUSE” WITH NICOLLE WALLACE STARTS NOW. NICOLLE WALLACE STARTS NOW.>>HI, EVERYONE, IT’S 4:00 IN>>HI, EVERYONE, IT’S 4:00 IN NEW YORK. NEW YORK. IN PUBLIC AND IN PRIVATE DONALD IN PUBLIC AND IN PRIVATE DONALD TRUMP IS REPORTEDLY SHANE BY THE TRUMP IS REPORTEDLY SHANE BY THE PROSPECTS OF AN ECONOMIC PROSPECTS OF AN ECONOMIC DOWNTURN. DOWNTURN. HAVING PINNED ALL OF THINKS HAVING PINNED ALL OF THINKS HOPES FOR RE-ELECTION ON THE HOPES FOR RE-ELECTION ON THE STRENGTH OF THE ECONOMY. STRENGTH OF THE ECONOMY. HE ALSO WOKE UP TO OMINOUS POLL HE ALSO WOKE UP TO OMINOUS POLL NUMBERS FROM HIS MOST FAVORITE NUMBERS FROM HIS MOST FAVORITE NETWORK, FOX NEWS, THAT SHOW HIM NETWORK, FOX NEWS, THAT SHOW HIM LOSING TO ALL OF THE TOP LOSING TO ALL OF THE TOP DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT IN 2020. PRESIDENT IN 2020. HERE ARE THOSE NUMBERS. HERE ARE THOSE NUMBERS. BIDEN BEATS DONALD TRUMP 50 TO BIDEN BEATS DONALD TRUMP 50 TO 38, BERNIE SANDERS 48 TO 39, 38, BERNIE SANDERS 48 TO 39, ELIZABETH WARREN 41 TO 39 AND ELIZABETH WARREN 41 TO 39 AND KAMALA HARRIS 45 TO 39. KAMALA HARRIS 45 TO 39. AND ON THAT TOPIC OF AND ON THAT TOPIC OF VULNERABILITY HAD, THE MOUNTING VULNERABILITY HAD, THE MOUNTING SIGNS OF GLOBAL ECONOMIC STRESS SIGNS OF GLOBAL ECONOMIC STRESS HAS ALARMED PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS ALARMED PRESIDENT TRUMP WHOSE WORRIED THE DOWNTURN COULD WHOSE WORRIED THE DOWNTURN COULD IMPERIAL HIS RE-ELECTION, EVEN IMPERIAL HIS RE-ELECTION, EVEN AS ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS AS ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS ACKNOWLEDGED THEY HAVE NOT ACKNOWLEDGED THEY HAVE NOT PLANNED FOR A POSSIBLE PLANNED FOR A POSSIBLE RECESSION. RECESSION. “THE NEW YORK TIMES” ADDS THIS, “THE NEW YORK TIMES” ADDS THIS, QUOTE, IN PRIVATE HE’S EXPRESSED QUOTE, IN PRIVATE HE’S EXPRESSED HIS OWN ANXIETY ABOUT THE HIS OWN ANXIETY ABOUT THE ECONOMY TAKING A DIVE, KNOWING ECONOMY TAKING A DIVE, KNOWING HIS ELECTORAL FORTUNES ARE HIS ELECTORAL FORTUNES ARE LIKELY TIED TO IT. LIKELY TIED TO IT. EVEN IF HE VENTS FRUSTRATION EVEN IF HE VENTS FRUSTRATION THAT HIS OPPONENTS ARE THAT HIS OPPONENTS ARE OVERSTATING THE TROUBLES. OVERSTATING THE TROUBLES. AS THE PRESIDENT’S ANXIETY METER AS THE PRESIDENT’S ANXIETY METER SURGES, HIS RALLY PERFORMANCE SURGES, HIS RALLY PERFORMANCE AND ANOTHER POINT OF PRIDE FOR AND ANOTHER POINT OF PRIDE FOR THE REALITY TV PRESIDENT HAS THE REALITY TV PRESIDENT HAS ALSO TAKEN A HIT. ALSO TAKEN A HIT. “THE NEW YORK TIMES” DESCRIBES “THE NEW YORK TIMES” DESCRIBES LAST NIGHT’S RALLY LIKE THIS, LAST NIGHT’S RALLY LIKE THIS, QUOTE, HIS SPEECH WAS AT TIMES QUOTE, HIS SPEECH WAS AT TIMES THE GREATEST HITS ALBUM, A THE GREATEST HITS ALBUM, A FAVORITE LINE, REPLAYING THE FAVORITE LINE, REPLAYING THE 2016 CAMPAIGN AGAINST HILLARY 2016 CAMPAIGN AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON. CLINTON. SHOULD NOTE SHE’S NOT RUNNING SHOULD NOTE SHE’S NOT RUNNING THIS TIME. THIS TIME. AND BASHING THE NEWS MEDIA, AND BASHING THE NEWS MEDIA, DEMOCRATS AND AMERICAN ALLIES IN DEMOCRATS AND AMERICAN ALLIES IN EUROPE. EUROPE. TYPICALLY RAMBLING, VEERING ON TYPICALLY RAMBLING, VEERING ON AND OFF SCRIPT SEEMINGLY ADD AND OFF SCRIPT SEEMINGLY ADD RANDOM, OVER AN HOUR AND A HALF. RANDOM, OVER AN HOUR AND A HALF. HE REPEATED POINTS HE HAD HE REPEATED POINTS HE HAD ALREADY MADE EARLIER IN THE ALREADY MADE EARLIER IN THE EVENING. EVENING. AS IF HE DID NOT REMEMBER AS IF HE DID NOT REMEMBER ALREADY MAKING THEM. ALREADY MAKING THEM. AT ONE POINT HE VEERED SO OFF AT ONE POINT HE VEERED SO OFF SCRIPT, HE ATTACKED A SUPPORTER SCRIPT, HE ATTACKED A SUPPORTER FOR BEING OVERATE. FOR BEING OVERATE.>>THAT GUY’S GOT A SERIOUS>>THAT GUY’S GOT A SERIOUS WEIGHT PROBLEM. WEIGHT PROBLEM. GO HOME, START EXERCISING. GO HOME, START EXERCISING. GET HIM OUT OF HERE, PLEASE. GET HIM OUT OF HERE, PLEASE. GOT A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN I DO. GOT A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN I DO. GOT A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN ALL OF GOT A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN ALL OF US. US. NOW HE GOES HOME AND HIS MOM NOW HE GOES HOME AND HIS MOM SAYS, WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU SAYS, WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU JUST DONE? JUST DONE?>>THAT IS WHERE WE START TODAY>>THAT IS WHERE WE START TODAY WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. FROM “THE WASHINGTON POST,” FROM “THE WASHINGTON POST,” WHITE HOUSE BUREAU CHIEF PHIL WHITE HOUSE BUREAU CHIEF PHIL RUCKER. RUCKER. WITH US AT THE TABLE AXIOS WITH US AT THE TABLE AXIOS POLITICAL REPORTER ALEXI POLITICAL REPORTER ALEXI McCAMMOND, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST McCAMMOND, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST AND FORMER COMMUNICATIONS AND FORMER COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR FOR THE RNC, TIM DIRECTOR FOR THE RNC, TIM MILLER. MILLER. PLUS FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY JOYCE PLUS FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY JOYCE VANCE IS BACK AND REV AL VANCE IS BACK AND REV AL SHARPTON, HOST OF SHARPTON, HOST OF “POLITICSNATION” HERE ON MSNBC “POLITICSNATION” HERE ON MSNBC AND PRESIDENT OF THE POLITICAL AND PRESIDENT OF THE POLITICAL ACTION NETWORK. ACTION NETWORK. RUCK GER, RUCK GER, RUCKER, LET ME START WITH YOU. RUCKER, LET ME START WITH YOU. WHAT ABOUT LAST NIGHT? WHAT ABOUT LAST NIGHT?>>NICOLLE, IT WAS A RAMBLING>>NICOLLE, IT WAS A RAMBLING SPEECH THAT WENT ON FOR MORE SPEECH THAT WENT ON FOR MORE THAN AN HOUR AND HE VEERED THAN AN HOUR AND HE VEERED ACROSS SO MANY TOPICS. ACROSS SO MANY TOPICS. BUT I FOUND MOST INTERESTING BUT I FOUND MOST INTERESTING WHAT HE HAD TO SAY ABOUT THE WHAT HE HAD TO SAY ABOUT THE ECONOMY WHICH WAS BASICALLY YOU ECONOMY WHICH WAS BASICALLY YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR ME BECAUSE THE HAVE TO VOTE FOR ME BECAUSE THE ECONOMY IS STRONG RIGHT NOW. ECONOMY IS STRONG RIGHT NOW. PRIVATELY OUR REPORTING HAS BEEN PRIVATELY OUR REPORTING HAS BEEN HE’S QUITE ALARMED AND RATTLED HE’S QUITE ALARMED AND RATTLED ABOUT SOME OF THESE NEGATIVE ABOUT SOME OF THESE NEGATIVE INDICATORS THAT WE’VE SEEN THIS INDICATORS THAT WE’VE SEEN THIS WEEK AND OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEK AND OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS AS WELL AS WHAT’S WEEKS AS WELL AS WHAT’S HAPPENING ABROAD WITH SOME OF HAPPENING ABROAD WITH SOME OF THESE FOREIGN COUNTRIES, THESE FOREIGN COUNTRIES, FOREECONOMIES. FOREECONOMIES. AND TRUMP IS CALLING OUT TO AND TRUMP IS CALLING OUT TO CEOs, TO FRIENDS, TO SOME OF HIS CEOs, TO FRIENDS, TO SOME OF HIS REAL ESTATE BUDDIES TRYING TO REAL ESTATE BUDDIES TRYING TO TAKE THEIR TEMPERATURE AND ALSO TAKE THEIR TEMPERATURE AND ALSO VOICING SKEPTICISM ABOUT SOME OF VOICING SKEPTICISM ABOUT SOME OF THE DATA THAT HE’S SEEING, THE DATA THAT HE’S SEEING, SAYING SOME OF THESE STATISTICS SAYING SOME OF THESE STATISTICS ARE NOT TO BE BELIEVED BECAUSE ARE NOT TO BE BELIEVED BECAUSE THEY’RE COOKED UP BY ECONOMISTS THEY’RE COOKED UP BY ECONOMISTS WHO HAVE AN ANTI-TRUMP BIAS. WHO HAVE AN ANTI-TRUMP BIAS. WE WILL SEE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT WE WILL SEE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT BUT IT’S NOT A PARTICULARLY GOOD BUT IT’S NOT A PARTICULARLY GOOD SIGN FROM SOME OF HIS ADVISERS. SIGN FROM SOME OF HIS ADVISERS.>>BECAUSE THIS DONALD TRUMP>>BECAUSE THIS DONALD TRUMP LET’S GO HIGH AND LOU. LET’S GO HIGH AND LOU. HE ATTACKED A MAN WHO TURNED OUT HE ATTACKED A MAN WHO TURNED OUT TO BE ONE OF HIS OWN SUPPORTERS. TO BE ONE OF HIS OWN SUPPORTERS. I DON’T KNOW WHERE THERE ARE I DON’T KNOW WHERE THERE ARE MANY SCHOOLS IN AMERICA YOU CAN MANY SCHOOLS IN AMERICA YOU CAN BULLY SOMEBODY LIKE THAT AND NOT BULLY SOMEBODY LIKE THAT AND NOT GET SUSPENDED. GET SUSPENDED.>>YEAH, THAT PROBABLY CALLS FOR>>YEAH, THAT PROBABLY CALLS FOR A TIME-OUT IN A LOT OF A TIME-OUT IN A LOT OF PRESCHOOLS IN AMERICA. PRESCHOOLS IN AMERICA. THE WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS THIS THE WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS THIS MORNING WERE SAYING PRESIDENT MORNING WERE SAYING PRESIDENT TRUMP ACTUALLY CALLED THAT TRUMP ACTUALLY CALLED THAT SUPPORTER FROM ABOARD AIR FORCE SUPPORTER FROM ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE LAST NIGHT ON HIS WAY BACK ONE LAST NIGHT ON HIS WAY BACK HERE TO NEW JERSEY. HERE TO NEW JERSEY. HE DID NOT APOLOGIZE, ACCORDING HE DID NOT APOLOGIZE, ACCORDING TO THE WHITE HOUSE. TO THE WHITE HOUSE. HE’S NOT SOMEBODY WHO EVER HE’S NOT SOMEBODY WHO EVER REALLY APOLOGIZES BUT HE DID REALLY APOLOGIZES BUT HE DID CONVEY TO THE SUPPORTER THAT HEP CONVEY TO THE SUPPORTER THAT HEP DID THE MEAN TO OFFEND HIM AND DID THE MEAN TO OFFEND HIM AND HE THANKS HIM FOR HIS SUPPORT. HE THANKS HIM FOR HIS SUPPORT.>>JOYCE, LET’S GO THERE BECAUSE>>JOYCE, LET’S GO THERE BECAUSE “THE NEW YORK TIMES” DID. “THE NEW YORK TIMES” DID. I READ THIS IN THE OPEN BUT I I READ THIS IN THE OPEN BUT I WILL READ IT AGAIN. WILL READ IT AGAIN. THE SPEECH, AS PHIL RUCKER SAID, THE SPEECH, AS PHIL RUCKER SAID, TYPICALLY RAMBLING, VEERING ON TYPICALLY RAMBLING, VEERING ON AND OFF SCRIPT, SEEMINGLY AT AND OFF SCRIPT, SEEMINGLY AT RANDOM, OVER AN HOUR AND A HALF. RANDOM, OVER AN HOUR AND A HALF. HE REPEATED POINTS HE HAD HE REPEATED POINTS HE HAD ALREADY MADE EARLIER IN THE ALREADY MADE EARLIER IN THE EVENING AS IF HE DID NOT EVENING AS IF HE DID NOT REMEMBER ALREADY MAKING THEM. REMEMBER ALREADY MAKING THEM. AND I HAVE BEEN ON JURY DUTY SO AND I HAVE BEEN ON JURY DUTY SO LET ME ENTER THAT INTO EVIDENCE, LET ME ENTER THAT INTO EVIDENCE, ALONGSIDE OF A COUPLE OF OTHER ALONGSIDE OF A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS. THINGS. DAVID BROOKS REPORTED IN 2017 DAVID BROOKS REPORTED IN 2017 THAT A BUNCH OF REPUBLICANS CAME THAT A BUNCH OF REPUBLICANS CAME OUT OF A MEETING WITH DONALD OUT OF A MEETING WITH DONALD TRUMP EXPLAINED SOME SIGNS THAT TRUMP EXPLAINED SOME SIGNS THAT WERE SIMILAR TO THE EARLY STAGES WERE SIMILAR TO THE EARLY STAGES OF ALZHEIMER’S. OF ALZHEIMER’S. YOU’VE GOT REPORTING I THINK YOU’VE GOT REPORTING I THINK FROM PHIL’S NEWSPAPER, FROM FROM PHIL’S NEWSPAPER, FROM AXIOS AND OTHER PLACES THAT IN AXIOS AND OTHER PLACES THAT IN AND OUT OF THE ROOMS PEOPLE AND OUT OF THE ROOMS PEOPLE EITHER DISPARAGINGLY OR EITHER DISPARAGINGLY OR AFFECTIONATELY ARE SAYING AT AN AFFECTIONATELY ARE SAYING AT AN INCREASED CLIP, HE’S CRAZY. INCREASED CLIP, HE’S CRAZY.>>YOU KNOW, THERE’S PERVASIVE>>YOU KNOW, THERE’S PERVASIVE REPORTING AND DISREGARD AND IF REPORTING AND DISREGARD AND IF IT WAS GRANDPA, YOU WOULD IT WAS GRANDPA, YOU WOULD PROBABLY TAKE HIM TO SEE A PROBABLY TAKE HIM TO SEE A NEUROLOGIST OR SOMEONE WHO NEUROLOGIST OR SOMEONE WHO SPECIALIZES IN GERIATRIC SPECIALIZES IN GERIATRIC MEDICINE. MEDICINE. THAT HASN’T HAPPENED HERE — THAT HASN’T HAPPENED HERE –>>THAT WE KNOW OF.>>THAT WE KNOW OF.>>THAT WE KNOW OF IS RIGHT.>>THAT WE KNOW OF IS RIGHT. THE REMEDY IS THE 25th AMENDMENT THE REMEDY IS THE 25th AMENDMENT AND THAT REQUIRES AN INTACT AND THAT REQUIRES AN INTACT CABINET WHICH TRUMP DOES NOT CABINET WHICH TRUMP DOES NOT HAVE, WHETHER BY DESIGN OR NOT, HAVE, WHETHER BY DESIGN OR NOT, MOST OF THE CABINET IS ACTING MOST OF THE CABINET IS ACTING AND THERE’S NO WILL TO TAKE THAT AND THERE’S NO WILL TO TAKE THAT ON IN ANY EVENT. ON IN ANY EVENT.>>SO THERE’S NO WILL TO FILL A>>SO THERE’S NO WILL TO FILL A CABINET WITH THE KIND OF CABINET WITH THE KIND OF APPOINTEES THAT HAVE THAT POWER. APPOINTEES THAT HAVE THAT POWER. I WOULD PAUSE THAT THERE’S NOT A I WOULD PAUSE THAT THERE’S NOT A LOT OF WILL TO HAVE THIS LOT OF WILL TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION BUT WHEN IT SHOWS CONVERSATION BUT WHEN IT SHOWS UP IN BLACK AND WHITE IN THE UP IN BLACK AND WHITE IN THE HARD COPY PRINT OF “THE NEW YORK HARD COPY PRINT OF “THE NEW YORK TIMES,” IT’S IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TIMES,” IT’S IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO IGNORE IT. TO IGNORE IT. YOU HAVE THE WHITE HOUSE BEAT YOU HAVE THE WHITE HOUSE BEAT REPORTERS INCLUDING IN THEIR REPORTERS INCLUDING IN THEIR STORIES ABOUT THE RALLY THE MAN STORIES ABOUT THE RALLY THE MAN REPEATED HIMSELF AS THOUGH HE REPEATED HIMSELF AS THOUGH HE DIDN’T ALREADY MADE THOSE DIDN’T ALREADY MADE THOSE POINTS. POINTS.>>WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACT>>WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACT THAT GRANDPA IS NOT SITTING HOME THAT GRANDPA IS NOT SITTING HOME READING THE PAPER BUT HE’S ON READING THE PAPER BUT HE’S ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE PAPER AND THE FRONT PAGE OF THE PAPER AND GRANDPA IS THE FOOTBALL WITH THE GRANDPA IS THE FOOTBALL WITH THE NUCLEAR BOMB MECHANISMS NEAR NUCLEAR BOMB MECHANISMS NEAR HIM, THIS IS CRAZY. HIM, THIS IS CRAZY. YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT A MAN YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT A MAN YESTERDAY THAT AT ONE POINT IN YESTERDAY THAT AT ONE POINT IN HIS SPEECH WAS ATTACKING HILLARY HIS SPEECH WAS ATTACKING HILLARY CLINTON, WHICH WAS 2 1/2 YEARS CLINTON, WHICH WAS 2 1/2 YEARS AGO, KEPT REPEATING HIMSELF, AGO, KEPT REPEATING HIMSELF, ATTACKS AN OVERWEIGHT SUPPORTER ATTACKS AN OVERWEIGHT SUPPORTER OF HIS THAT HE DIDN’T KNOW WAS OF HIS THAT HE DIDN’T KNOW WAS THERE SUPPORTING HIM. THERE SUPPORTING HIM. WE’VE BEEN HEARING OVER AND OVER WE’VE BEEN HEARING OVER AND OVER AGAIN HE’S LOSING IT. AGAIN HE’S LOSING IT. AND I THINK WHAT IS DRIVING THIS AND I THINK WHAT IS DRIVING THIS EVEN MORE, NICOLLE, IS THAT WITH EVEN MORE, NICOLLE, IS THAT WITH THE ECONOMY AFEARING TO BE THE ECONOMY AFEARING TO BE HEADED AT LEAST DOWNWARD, IF NOT HEADED AT LEAST DOWNWARD, IF NOT A RECESSION, WOULDAND YOU HAVE A RECESSION, WOULDAND YOU HAVE ENGLAND AND OTHER PROBLEMS IN ENGLAND AND OTHER PROBLEMS IN EUROPE, IT DRIVES HIM FURTHER EUROPE, IT DRIVES HIM FURTHER INTO WHATEVER CLOUDY AREA HE IS INTO WHATEVER CLOUDY AREA HE IS IN MENTALLY AND HE’S BECOMING IN MENTALLY AND HE’S BECOMING DESPERATE BECAUSE THE RACE CARD DESPERATE BECAUSE THE RACE CARD HE USED THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS HE USED THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS IS NOT WORKING. IS NOT WORKING. YOU CANNOT TELL FARMERS SITTING YOU CANNOT TELL FARMERS SITTING THERE WITH SOYBEANS AND OTHERS THERE WITH SOYBEANS AND OTHERS IN YOUR BASE THAT YOU CAUSED IN YOUR BASE THAT YOU CAUSED THESE TRADE WARS AND RUMORS, YOU THESE TRADE WARS AND RUMORS, YOU CAN’T TELL THEM THEY GOT IT, CAN’T TELL THEM THEY GOT IT, IT’S THEIR FAULT BUT SO LONG. IT’S THEIR FAULT BUT SO LONG. YOU TOLD ME YOU WOULD IMPROVE MY YOU TOLD ME YOU WOULD IMPROVE MY LOT AND IT’S NOT IMPROVED. LOT AND IT’S NOT IMPROVED. WHERE IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL? BILL? WHERE ARE THE THINGS HE PROMISED WHERE ARE THE THINGS HE PROMISED HIS OWN SUPPORTERS. HIS OWN SUPPORTERS. FORGET ABOUT US. FORGET ABOUT US. HE TOLD US WE WOULD NOT DO HE TOLD US WE WOULD NOT DO ANYTHING IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ANYTHING IN TERMS OF WHAT WE BELIEVE. BELIEVE. BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO FARMERS, COAL MINERS, HE FARMERS, COAL MINERS, HE PROMISED ALL OF THAT AND HE PROMISED ALL OF THAT AND HE CAN’T BLAKE THAT ON BLACKS AND CAN’T BLAKE THAT ON BLACKS AND MEXICANS BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE MEXICANS BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE ANY OF THOSE JOBS. ANY OF THOSE JOBS.>>PART OF THE REASON WE’RE NOT>>PART OF THE REASON WE’RE NOT HEARING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE OR HEARING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE OR ECONOMIC PLAN FOR A POTENTIAL ECONOMIC PLAN FOR A POTENTIAL RECESSION AND WE ARE HEARING RECESSION AND WE ARE HEARING ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON AND ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON AND OVERWEIGHT MEN IN THE CROWD, OVERWEIGHT MEN IN THE CROWD, ELIZABETH WARREN, WHO HE CALLED ELIZABETH WARREN, WHO HE CALLED POCAHONTAS BECAUSE IT’S SO MUCH POCAHONTAS BECAUSE IT’S SO MUCH EASIER FOR DONALD TRUMP TO RUN EASIER FOR DONALD TRUMP TO RUN AGAINST AN ENEMY OF ANY SORT HE AGAINST AN ENEMY OF ANY SORT HE CAN IDENTIFY AND MAKE A CAN IDENTIFY AND MAKE A CARICATURE OF THEM AND DRAG THEM CARICATURE OF THEM AND DRAG THEM THROUGH THE MUD THAN IT IS TO THROUGH THE MUD THAN IT IS TO RUN FOR HIMSELF. RUN FOR HIMSELF. WHICH IS LACK OF A PLAN ON WHICH IS LACK OF A PLAN ON HEALTH CARE, INFRASTRUCTURE, HEALTH CARE, INFRASTRUCTURE, SOCIAL SECURITY. SOCIAL SECURITY. A LACK OF A PLAN TO DEAL WITH AN A LACK OF A PLAN TO DEAL WITH AN ECONOMIC RECESSION. ECONOMIC RECESSION. INSTEAD OF GETTING UP THERE AND INSTEAD OF GETTING UP THERE AND TOUTING WHAT CLAIMS IS A BOOMING TOUTING WHAT CLAIMS IS A BOOMING NATIONAL ECONOMY, HE CAN’T DO NATIONAL ECONOMY, HE CAN’T DO THAT. THAT. HE CAN’T RUN AGAINST HIMSELF OR HE CAN’T RUN AGAINST HIMSELF OR ON ALL OF HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS SO ON ALL OF HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS SO INSTEAD HE TARGETS ANYONE HE CAN INSTEAD HE TARGETS ANYONE HE CAN TO MAKE AN OPPONENT, TO TURN HIS TO MAKE AN OPPONENT, TO TURN HIS BASE AGAINST THAT PERSON. BASE AGAINST THAT PERSON.>>PHIL RUCKER TALKED ABOUT HIS>>PHIL RUCKER TALKED ABOUT HIS OWN SCEPTICISM, THE PRESIDENT’S OWN SCEPTICISM, THE PRESIDENT’S SCEPTICISM ABOUT ECONOMIC DATA. SCEPTICISM ABOUT ECONOMIC DATA. LET ME READ YOU SOMETHING THAT LET ME READ YOU SOMETHING THAT CAPTAIN RAMPIO OF “THE CAPTAIN RAMPIO OF “THE WASHINGTON POST” WRITES ON THE WASHINGTON POST” WRITES ON THE TOPIC OF FAKE STAFF. TOPIC OF FAKE STAFF. WHEN OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT AND THE WHEN OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT AND THE OFFICIAL ECONOMIC STATISTICS OFFICIAL ECONOMIC STATISTICS WERE GOOD, TRUMP SAIDER THIS WERE GOOD, TRUMP SAIDER THIS FAKE. FAKE. WHEN TRUMP BECAME PRESIDENT AND WHEN TRUMP BECAME PRESIDENT AND INHERITED THE DISABILITY SAME INHERITED THE DISABILITY SAME STATS, SUDDENLY THEY WERE REAL. STATS, SUDDENLY THEY WERE REAL. NOW THAT THEY’RE TURNING SOUTH, NOW THAT THEY’RE TURNING SOUTH, THEY’RE FAKE AGAIN. THEY’RE FAKE AGAIN. MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, IS HE MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, IS HE PUTTING TOO MUCH FAITH INTO WHAT PUTTING TOO MUCH FAITH INTO WHAT HE’S ALREADY PROGRAMMED HIS HE’S ALREADY PROGRAMMED HIS VOTERS TO DO, NOT BELIEVE THEIR VOTERS TO DO, NOT BELIEVE THEIR EYES, NOT BELIEVE THEIR EARS, EYES, NOT BELIEVE THEIR EARS, ONLY BELIEVE HIM. ONLY BELIEVE HIM. OR WOULD THE NUMBERS NOT LIE AS OR WOULD THE NUMBERS NOT LIE AS THE RIV SAID IN THE RIV SAID IN THE REV SAID? THE REV SAID?>>HE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO DO>>HE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO DO IT. IT. HE LIES. HE LIES. HE CAN ONLY TELL HIS ADVISERS HE CAN ONLY TELL HIS ADVISERS NOT TO LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS. NOT TO LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS. ELECTORATES TOLD HIM NOT TO RUN ELECTORATES TOLD HIM NOT TO RUN AND HE WOULDN’T WIN. AND HE WOULDN’T WIN. SO NOW HE’S HERE IN THE WHITE SO NOW HE’S HERE IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE SAME NERDS OR HOUSE AND THE SAME NERDS OR WEENIES, WHATEVER HE CALLED WEENIES, WHATEVER HE CALLED THEM, WEENIES, SERIOUSLY, HE THEM, WEENIES, SERIOUSLY, HE CALLED THEM WEENIES — CALLED THEM WEENIES –>>I WON’T TAKE THAT PERSONALLY>>I WON’T TAKE THAT PERSONALLY AS A FORMER STAFFER. AS A FORMER STAFFER.>>THAT’S OKAY.>>THAT’S OKAY. AND SO I THINK WHAT HE’S GOING AND SO I THINK WHAT HE’S GOING TO DO TO GO FORWARD ALL THE WAY TO DO TO GO FORWARD ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL NOVEMBER OF NEXT YEAR UP UNTIL NOVEMBER OF NEXT YEAR IS YOU CAN EITHER BELIEVE ME OR IS YOU CAN EITHER BELIEVE ME OR YOUR LYING EYES AND SAY THE YOUR LYING EYES AND SAY THE ECONOMY IS GREAT NO MATTER WHAT ECONOMY IS GREAT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, NO MATTER HOW BAD IT HAPPENS, NO MATTER HOW BAD IT GETS. GETS.>>PHIL RUCKER, YOU’RE>>PHIL RUCKER, YOU’RE PROPERTYING ON THE PRESIDENT’S PROPERTYING ON THE PRESIDENT’S ANGST ABOUT THE ECONOMY TODAY IS ANGST ABOUT THE ECONOMY TODAY IS SO INTERESTING. SO INTERESTING. I HEARD ANECDOTALLY THE I HEARD ANECDOTALLY THE PRESIDENT’S CALCULATION ON 2020 PRESIDENT’S CALCULATION ON 2020 IS HE’S IN DECENT SHAPE IF, AND IS HE’S IN DECENT SHAPE IF, AND ONLY IF, THE ECONOMY HOLDS UP. ONLY IF, THE ECONOMY HOLDS UP. IS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT — IS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT — AND I’M NOT SURE HOW HE TURNS AND I’M NOT SURE HOW HE TURNS ANY HARDER, AND YOU AND YOUR ANY HARDER, AND YOU AND YOUR CLOEG CLOEG COLLEAGUES HAVE A GREAT PIECE COLLEAGUES HAVE A GREAT PIECE ABOUT PAPER STRAWS. ABOUT PAPER STRAWS. BUT THE CREATURES ARE SORT OF BUT THE CREATURES ARE SORT OF ONE, THE MAGIC HE FEELS HE ONE, THE MAGIC HE FEELS HE CREATES NOTICE ROOM. CREATES NOTICE ROOM. TWO, THE CULTURE ISSUES YOU ALL TWO, THE CULTURE ISSUES YOU ALL WROTE ABOUT THIS WEEK, PLASTIC WROTE ABOUT THIS WEEK, PLASTIC STRAWS, ATTACKING NFL PLAYERS, STRAWS, ATTACKING NFL PLAYERS, THE WEDGE ISSUES. THE WEDGE ISSUES. AND THE THIRD YOU REPORTED ON AND THE THIRD YOU REPORTED ON TODAY, THE ECONOMY HOLDING UP, TODAY, THE ECONOMY HOLDING UP, IS THERE ANY INKLING OR ANY TALK IS THERE ANY INKLING OR ANY TALK OF ANYTHING ELSE BEING OUT THERE OF ANYTHING ELSE BEING OUT THERE FOR THIS PRESIDENT TO CLING TO? FOR THIS PRESIDENT TO CLING TO?>>THAT’S ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW,>>THAT’S ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW, NICOLLE. NICOLLE. THE ONE HOPE THAT TRUMP HAS THAT THE ONE HOPE THAT TRUMP HAS THAT HE COULD HAVE A HUGE FOREIGN HE COULD HAVE A HUGE FOREIGN POLICY BREAKTHROUGH POTENTIALLY POLICY BREAKTHROUGH POTENTIALLY BETWEEN NOW AND THE ELECTION. BETWEEN NOW AND THE ELECTION. HE’S OBVIOUSLY — HE’S OBVIOUSLY –>>THAT’S SCARY.>>THAT’S SCARY.>>HE IS RELYING ON NORTH KOREA,>>HE IS RELYING ON NORTH KOREA, WANTS THAT SORT OF A DEAL ON KIM WANTS THAT SORT OF A DEAL ON KIM JONG-UN AND POTENTIALLY IF JONG-UN AND POTENTIALLY IF THERE’S SOME BREAKTHROUGH THAT THERE’S SOME BREAKTHROUGH THAT WE CAN’T IMAGINE HAPPENING TODAY WE CAN’T IMAGINE HAPPENING TODAY IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR, THAT IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR, THAT COULD CHANGE THE DYNAMIC, COULD CHANGE THE DYNAMIC, SIMILARLY IF THERE WERE SOME SIMILARLY IF THERE WERE SOME SORT OF WAR OR NATIONAL SECURITY SORT OF WAR OR NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT TO THE HOMELAND THAT HE THREAT TO THE HOMELAND THAT HE WAS RESPONDING TO, THAT WOULD WAS RESPONDING TO, THAT WOULD CHANGE THE POLITICAL CALCULUS. CHANGE THE POLITICAL CALCULUS. BUT RIGHT NOW THE TRUMP ADVISERS BUT RIGHT NOW THE TRUMP ADVISERS ARE THINKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY, ARE THINKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY, THINKING THINKING THINKING ABOUT THESE CULTURE THINKING ABOUT THESE CULTURE ISSUES AND THAT’S THE ONLY CARD ISSUES AND THAT’S THE ONLY CARD THEY HAVE TO PLAY AND IT’S THEY HAVE TO PLAY AND IT’S DANGEROUS AND RISKY. DANGEROUS AND RISKY. UNLIKE IN 2012 WHEN BARACK OBAMA UNLIKE IN 2012 WHEN BARACK OBAMA WAS RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION THIS WAS RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION THIS A DOWN ECONOMY, OBAMA HAD SO A DOWN ECONOMY, OBAMA HAD SO MUCH SORT OF POPULAR GOODWILL MUCH SORT OF POPULAR GOODWILL AMONG THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, AMONG THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, PEOPLE WANTED HIM TO SUCCEEDS, PEOPLE WANTED HIM TO SUCCEEDS, THAT IT HELPED PREVENT MITT THAT IT HELPED PREVENT MITT ROMNEY FROM RUNNING THAT ROMNEY FROM RUNNING THAT ELECTION. ELECTION. BUT THAT GOODWILL DOES NOT BUT THAT GOODWILL DOES NOT EXIST, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE EXIST, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE POLLING WE HAVE SEEN, WITH POLLING WE HAVE SEEN, WITH DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP.>>SO PHIL JUST PERFECTLY FRAMED>>SO PHIL JUST PERFECTLY FRAMED MY NEXT QUESTION FOR ALL OF YOU. MY NEXT QUESTION FOR ALL OF YOU. ALL HE’S GOT IS STOKING RACIAL ALL HE’S GOT IS STOKING RACIAL ANIMUS IN THIS COUNTRY, SPINNING ANIMUS IN THIS COUNTRY, SPINNING OR LYING ABOUT THE STRENGTH OF OR LYING ABOUT THE STRENGTH OF THE ECONOMY, WHICH IS STILL GOOD THE ECONOMY, WHICH IS STILL GOOD BUT NOT AS GOOD AS HE SAYS IT BUT NOT AS GOOD AS HE SAYS IT IS, AND WE HAVE FLASHING YELLOW IS, AND WE HAVE FLASHING YELLOW LIGHTS ON THE FOREIGN POLICY LIGHTS ON THE FOREIGN POLICY FRONT AS WELL. FRONT AS WELL. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEWS FROM FOX IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEWS FROM FOX NEWS, NO LESS, AND IF YOU DO NEWS, NO LESS, AND IF YOU DO DOWN FARTHER THAN THE TOP FOUR, DOWN FARTHER THAN THE TOP FOUR, HE’S STILL IN A VERY, VERY TIGHT HE’S STILL IN A VERY, VERY TIGHT RACE. RACE. I GUESS MY QUESTION, THE I GUESS MY QUESTION, THE PREDICTIONS I’M LOOKING FOR, IS PREDICTIONS I’M LOOKING FOR, IS HE SCARIER WHEN HE FEELS LIKE HE HE SCARIER WHEN HE FEELS LIKE HE ESCAPED A BAD FAITH LIKE BEING ESCAPED A BAD FAITH LIKE BEING EXONERATED FROM MUELLER, OR IS EXONERATED FROM MUELLER, OR IS HE SCARIER WHEN HE’S POLITICALLY HE SCARIER WHEN HE’S POLITICALLY WEAK AND DESPERATE? WEAK AND DESPERATE?>>I THINK HE’S PLENTY SCARY>>I THINK HE’S PLENTY SCARY RIGHT NOW AND DEMOCRATS SHOULD RIGHT NOW AND DEMOCRATS SHOULD NOT LOOK AT THOSE POLLS AND NOT LOOK AT THOSE POLLS AND BREATHE ANY KIND OF SIGH OF BREATHE ANY KIND OF SIGH OF RELIEF. RELIEF. THERE ARE STRUCTURAL ISSUES THERE ARE STRUCTURAL ISSUES BUILT INTO THIS ELECTION. BUILT INTO THIS ELECTION. THERE’S GERRYMANDERING, THERE’S THERE’S GERRYMANDERING, THERE’S VOTER SUPPRESSION AND UNLESS VOTER SUPPRESSION AND UNLESS DEMOCRATS STAY ON THAT DOWN DEMOCRATS STAY ON THAT DOWN UNTIL NOVEMBER OF 2020, TRUMP UNTIL NOVEMBER OF 2020, TRUMP COULD PULL THIS OFF. COULD PULL THIS OFF. HE WILL BE DANGEROUS LIKE A HE WILL BE DANGEROUS LIKE A WOUNDED ANIMAL. WOUNDED ANIMAL.>>WOW.>>WOW.>>AND THERE IS NO BOUNDARIES TO>>AND THERE IS NO BOUNDARIES TO WHAT HE WILL DO. WHAT HE WILL DO.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>BECAUSE YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT>>BECAUSE YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT A MAN WHO IS NOT ONLY LOOKING TO A MAN WHO IS NOT ONLY LOOKING TO STAY IN THE WHITE HOUSE, BUT STAY IN THE WHITE HOUSE, BUT HE’S ALSO LOOKING TO STAY OUT OF HE’S ALSO LOOKING TO STAY OUT OF JAIL OR AT LEAST THE COURTHOUSE. JAIL OR AT LEAST THE COURTHOUSE. SO HE’S GOING TO SWING WITH SO HE’S GOING TO SWING WITH EVERYTHING HE HAS. EVERYTHING HE HAS. I THINK FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO IN I THINK FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO IN ANY WAY RELAX THINKING WE GOT ANY WAY RELAX THINKING WE GOT THIS IN THE BAG OR WE SHOULD NOT THIS IN THE BAG OR WE SHOULD NOT COME WITH THE BEST CANDIDATE COME WITH THE BEST CANDIDATE WOULD PLAY RIGHT INTO HIS HANDS. WOULD PLAY RIGHT INTO HIS HANDS. BUT HE’S GOING TO HAVE A HARD BUT HE’S GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME EVEN WITH A BREAKTHROUGH TIME EVEN WITH A BREAKTHROUGH WITH A FOREIGN SITUATION TO WITH A FOREIGN SITUATION TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT HE DID WHAT CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT HE DID WHAT HE SAID — HE DIDN’T PROMISE HE SAID — HE DIDN’T PROMISE THOSE FARMERS OR THE PEOPLE IN THOSE FARMERS OR THE PEOPLE IN APPALACIA OR THE PEOPLE IN APPALACIA OR THE PEOPLE IN PENNSYLVANIA THAT I’M GOING TO PENNSYLVANIA THAT I’M GOING TO BRING KIM JONG-UN TO THE TABLE. BRING KIM JONG-UN TO THE TABLE. THAT’S NOT WHAT HE PROMISED THAT’S NOT WHAT HE PROMISED THEM. THEM. BUT IF THE DEMOCRATS CAN BUT IF THE DEMOCRATS CAN ARTICULATE AND DRIVE THAT ARTICULATE AND DRIVE THAT MESSAGE HOME, HE WILL GET AWAY MESSAGE HOME, HE WILL GET AWAY WITH IT. WITH IT. A LOT OF IT IS GOING TO BE DOT A LOT OF IT IS GOING TO BE DOT THE DEMOCRATS UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEMOCRATS UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY NEED TO DO? THEY NEED TO DO? IF ANYBODY CAN BEAT THEMSELVES, IF ANYBODY CAN BEAT THEMSELVES, DEMOCRATS HAVE THEN THEY CAN DO DEMOCRATS HAVE THEN THEY CAN DO THAT. THAT.>>REPUBLICANS WERE PRETTY GOOD>>REPUBLICANS WERE PRETTY GOOD AT SHOWING THEY CAN BEAT AT SHOWING THEY CAN BEAT THEMSELVES RUNNING AGAINST THEMSELVES RUNNING AGAINST DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP. JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING PREDICTED JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING PREDICTED CAME THROUGH, CHAOS PRESIDENT, CAME THROUGH, CHAOS PRESIDENT, HE’S A LIAR, HE DEBASED THE HE’S A LIAR, HE DEBASED THE OFFICE. OFFICE. I WATCHED OLDS FOOTAGE OF JEB I WATCHED OLDS FOOTAGE OF JEB BUSH AND EVERYTHING HE WARNED BUSH AND EVERYTHING HE WARNED ABOUT HAS COME TO PASS. ABOUT HAS COME TO PASS. WHATS YOUR ADVICE TO DEMOCRATS WHATS YOUR ADVICE TO DEMOCRATS AS THESE POLLS LOOK PROMISING AS THESE POLLS LOOK PROMISING BUT I AGREE WITH JOYCE AND THE BUT I AGREE WITH JOYCE AND THE REFB ABOUT REFB ABOUT REV ABOUT THE DYNAMICS? REV ABOUT THE DYNAMICS?>>I THINK WHAT THE DEMOCRATS>>I THINK WHAT THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO DO IS JUST ZERO IN ON NEED TO DO IS JUST ZERO IN ON THE ECONOMY, ON THE ECONOMIC THE ECONOMY, ON THE ECONOMIC ATTACKS ON HIM, ON THE WAY HE’S ATTACKS ON HIM, ON THE WAY HE’S LEFT PEOPLE BEHIND. LEFT PEOPLE BEHIND. LIKE YOU SAID, REV, WE GET LIKE YOU SAID, REV, WE GET CAUGHT UP IN ALL OF THESE CAUGHT UP IN ALL OF THESE SCANDALS OF THE DAY. SCANDALS OF THE DAY. THEY SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT. THEY SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT. THEY NEED TO FOCUS ON THE PEOPLE THEY NEED TO FOCUS ON THE PEOPLE DONALD TRUMP HAS LEFT BEHIND, DONALD TRUMP HAS LEFT BEHIND, THE PROMISES HE MADE TO THEM. THE PROMISES HE MADE TO THEM. THE WHOLE CAMPAIGN IS PROMISES THE WHOLE CAMPAIGN IS PROMISES KEPT. KEPT. HE HASN’T KEPT ANY OF HIS HE HASN’T KEPT ANY OF HIS PROMISES. PROMISES. THE MAIN THREE PROMISES WERE THE MAIN THREE PROMISES WERE MEXICO WOULD PAY FOR THE WALL, MEXICO WOULD PAY FOR THE WALL, HILLARY WOULD BE IN JAIL AND HE HILLARY WOULD BE IN JAIL AND HE WOULD DRAIN THE SWAMP. WOULD DRAIN THE SWAMP.>>AND HE WAS GOING TO BUILD A>>AND HE WAS GOING TO BUILD A WALL. WALL.>>THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS.>>THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS. HE HASN’T FOLLOWED UP ON ANY OF HE HASN’T FOLLOWED UP ON ANY OF THOSE. THOSE. THE MANUFACTURING BASE OF THIS THE MANUFACTURING BASE OF THIS COUNTRY HASN’T COME BACK. COUNTRY HASN’T COME BACK. SO WHAT IS HIS CARD IN HIS CARD SO WHAT IS HIS CARD IN HIS CARD IS GOING TO BE TO DIVIDE AND IS GOING TO BE TO DIVIDE AND ATTACK AND BE AS NASTY AND ATTACK AND BE AS NASTY AND DIVISIVE AS POSSIBLE COMING FROM DIVISIVE AS POSSIBLE COMING FROM ALL ANGLES, COMING FROM THE ALL ANGLES, COMING FROM THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT AGAINST RIGHT AND THE LEFT AGAINST DEMOCRATS AND THE ONLY WAY TO DEMOCRATS AND THE ONLY WAY TO DEFEAT HIM IS GOING TO BE GO DEFEAT HIM IS GOING TO BE GO RIGHT BACK AT HIM. RIGHT BACK AT HIM.>>SO TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU,>>SO TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU, JUST FIRST PICK UP ON — FROM JUST FIRST PICK UP ON — FROM ALL THAT YOU SEE IN YOUR FOCUS ALL THAT YOU SEE IN YOUR FOCUS GROUPS, THIS MESSAGE ABOUT THE GROUPS, THIS MESSAGE ABOUT THE ECONOMY THAT I HEAR INCREASINGLY ECONOMY THAT I HEAR INCREASINGLY FROM DEMOCTS ON THE CAMPAIGN FROM DEMOCTS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL AND SMART DEMOCRATS AROUND TRAIL AND SMART DEMOCRATS AROUND THIS TABLE, THAT DOES REPRESENT THIS TABLE, THAT DOES REPRESENT BOTH AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DEMOCRATS AND VULNERABILITY FOR DEMOCRATS AND VULNERABILITY FOR TRUMP EVEN WITH THE SWING VOTERS TRUMP EVEN WITH THE SWING VOTERS YOU TALKED TO, RIGHT? YOU TALKED TO, RIGHT?>>THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT BECAUSE>>THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT BECAUSE THE SWING VOTERS WHETHER IT’S THE SWING VOTERS WHETHER IT’S PENNSYLVANIA, OHIO, WISCONSIN, PENNSYLVANIA, OHIO, WISCONSIN, MICHIGAN, THEY CAN SO EASILY — MICHIGAN, THEY CAN SO EASILY — AND THESE ARE FOLKS WHO VOTED AND THESE ARE FOLKS WHO VOTED FOR OBAMA TWICE AND THEN FOR OBAMA TWICE AND THEN SWITCHED TO DONALD TRUMP, THEY SWITCHED TO DONALD TRUMP, THEY CAN SO EASILY REGURGITATE CAN SO EASILY REGURGITATE NATIONAL HEADLINES THE ECONOMY NATIONAL HEADLINES THE ECONOMY IS DOING SO WELL. IS DOING SO WELL. AND THEN WE FLIP IT, ARE YOU AND THEN WE FLIP IT, ARE YOU FEELING THAT PERSONALLY IN YOUR FEELING THAT PERSONALLY IN YOUR WAGES AND PAYCHECK AND TWO, WAGES AND PAYCHECK AND TWO, THREE JOBS YOU’RE STRINGING THREE JOBS YOU’RE STRINGING TOGETHER TO AFFORD CHILDCARE? TOGETHER TO AFFORD CHILDCARE? AND THEY SAY NO. AND THEY SAY NO. THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DEMOCRATS TO SAY YOU MIGHT THINK DEMOCRATS TO SAY YOU MIGHT THINK THE NATIONAL ECONOMY IS MOVING THE NATIONAL ECONOMY IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION NO MATTER IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION NO MATTER WHAT TRUMP IS TRYING TO DO WITH WHAT TRUMP IS TRYING TO DO WITH TARIFFS BUT IF IT’S NOT TARIFFS BUT IF IT’S NOT REFLECTED IN YOUR PAYCHECK, YOU REFLECTED IN YOUR PAYCHECK, YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT TWICE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT TWICE AND THREE TIMES IF YOU’RE GOING AND THREE TIMES IF YOU’RE GOING TO THE VOTING BOX ON ELECTION TO THE VOTING BOX ON ELECTION DAY NOVEMBER 2020. DAY NOVEMBER 2020. THAT IS WHAT’S REALLY THAT IS WHAT’S REALLY FASCINATING WHEN WE ARE HEARING FASCINATING WHEN WE ARE HEARING ECONOMIC STATS FROM DONALD ECONOMIC STATS FROM DONALD TRUMP, PEOPLE’S WAGES ARE NOT TRUMP, PEOPLE’S WAGES ARE NOT GOING UP. GOING UP. IT’S HEARTBREAKING TO HEAR FROM IT’S HEARTBREAKING TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE SAYING I MAKE $18 AN HOUR PEOPLE SAYING I MAKE $18 AN HOUR AND THAT’S ONLY BECAUSE I CAN AND THAT’S ONLY BECAUSE I CAN GET GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE TO PAY GET GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE TO PAY FOR MY CHILDCARE. FOR MY CHILDCARE. OTHERWISE I COULDN’T GET OTHERWISE I COULDN’T GET CHILDCARE FOR MY KIZ. CHILDCARE FOR MY KIZ. DONALD TRUMP IS NOT TALKING DONALD TRUMP IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. ABOUT THAT. HE’S NOT TALKING TO THOSE FOLKS. HE’S NOT TALKING TO THOSE FOLKS.>>IT’S SUCH A GOOD POINT IN>>IT’S SUCH A GOOD POINT IN TERMS OF THE TIME HE’S HAD TO TERMS OF THE TIME HE’S HAD TO SPEAK TO THEIR CONCERNS. SPEAK TO THEIR CONCERNS. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THESE I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THESE TWO OBAMA VOTERS WHO VOTED FOR TWO OBAMA VOTERS WHO VOTED FOR TRUMP IN ERIE, P.A. AND TRUMP IN ERIE, P.A. AND MICHIGAN. MICHIGAN. IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS THEIR IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS THEIR JOBS HAD NOT COME BACK, OF JOBS HAD NOT COME BACK, OF COURSE. COURSE. BUT THEY WERE WILLING TO GIVE BUT THEY WERE WILLING TO GIVE HIM TIME. HIM TIME. I GUESS WHAT YOU’RE SEEING IS I GUESS WHAT YOU’RE SEEING IS THERE’S AN OPEN QUESTION NOW THERE’S AN OPEN QUESTION NOW ABOUT WHETHER HE HAD ENOUGH ABOUT WHETHER HE HAD ENOUGH TIME. TIME. I WANT TO PUT ONE THING FOR YOU I WANT TO PUT ONE THING FOR YOU FROM THIS FOX NEWS POLL. FROM THIS FOX NEWS POLL. VOTERS HAVE A NEGATIVE VIEW OF VOTERS HAVE A NEGATIVE VIEW OF BIDEN AND TRUMP BACKED BIDEN BY BIDEN AND TRUMP BACKED BIDEN BY A 43-10 MARGIN IN THE HEAD TO A 43-10 MARGIN IN THE HEAD TO HEAD. HEAD. THEY DON’T LIKE EITHER. THEY DON’T LIKE EITHER. WE HEARD A LOT OF THIS IN 2016, WE HEARD A LOT OF THIS IN 2016, DIDN’T LIKE THE CHOICES. DIDN’T LIKE THE CHOICES. IN THE BIDEN/TRUMP CASE, 43% TO IN THE BIDEN/TRUMP CASE, 43% TO 10% FAVOR BIDEN. 10% FAVOR BIDEN. SOME WOULDN’T VOTE FOR ANY AND SOME WOULDN’T VOTE FOR ANY AND SOME ARE UNDECIDED. SOME ARE UNDECIDED. THAT’S A FLASHING YELLOW IN THIS THAT’S A FLASHING YELLOW IN THIS POLL. POLL.>>ESPECIALLY AFTER THE 2016>>ESPECIALLY AFTER THE 2016 ELECTION. ELECTION. PEOPLE WHO DIDN’T LIKE HILLARY, PEOPLE WHO DIDN’T LIKE HILLARY, HE WON THEM BY 17% AND THE HE WON THEM BY 17% AND THE CRUCIAL BATTLEGROUND STATES THAT CRUCIAL BATTLEGROUND STATES THAT AFFORDED HIM HIS ELECTORAL AFFORDED HIM HIS ELECTORAL COLLEGE VICTORY. COLLEGE VICTORY. AND THERE’S SOMETHING ELSE IN AND THERE’S SOMETHING ELSE IN THAT POLL THAT THE AARON BLAKE THAT POLL THAT THE AARON BLAKE AT “THE WASHINGTON POST” WROTE AT “THE WASHINGTON POST” WROTE ABOUT THE BASE SUPPORT AND ABOUT THE BASE SUPPORT AND MARGIN OF ERROR BETWEEN THAT AND MARGIN OF ERROR BETWEEN THAT AND THE FOLK WHO ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE FOLK WHO ACTUALLY SUPPORT HIM. HIM. THE PEOPLE WHO APPROVE OF HIS THE PEOPLE WHO APPROVE OF HIS JOB IS HIGHER THAN THE VOTE JOB IS HIGHER THAN THE VOTE SHARE HE’S GETTING. SHARE HE’S GETTING. IT MIGHT BE FOURS OR FIVE IT MIGHT BE FOURS OR FIVE PERCENTAGE POINTS BUT THAT’S PERCENTAGE POINTS BUT THAT’S STILL SOMETHING HE HAS TO THINK STILL SOMETHING HE HAS TO THINK ABOUT WHEN HE’S PLAYING TO THIS ABOUT WHEN HE’S PLAYING TO THIS BASE OF SUPPORTERS WHO ARE BASE OF SUPPORTERS WHO ARE MOSTLY WHITE AND MIGHT APPROVE MOSTLY WHITE AND MIGHT APPROVE OF THE DOG HE’S DOINGING BUT ARE OF THE DOG HE’S DOINGING BUT ARE HIM AGAIN. HIM AGAIN.>>AND DON’T FORGET THE POPULAR>>AND DON’T FORGET THE POPULAR RHETORIC HE FALLS BACK ON. RHETORIC HE FALLS BACK ON. HE SAID HE WOULD GO AFTER HE SAID HE WOULD GO AFTER PRESCRIPTION DRUG COMPANIES AND PRESCRIPTION DRUG COMPANIES AND BANKS. BANKS. HE HASN’T DONE ANY OF THAT. HE HASN’T DONE ANY OF THAT. I THINK A LOT OF VOTERS WHO I THINK A LOT OF VOTERS WHO FLIPPED FROM OBAMA TO HIX, THEY FLIPPED FROM OBAMA TO HIX, THEY GOOD RESONATED IN THE SCANDAL. GOOD RESONATED IN THE SCANDAL.>>YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WE TALK>>YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WE TALK ABOUT OBAMA HAD A BAD ECONOMY IN ABOUT OBAMA HAD A BAD ECONOMY IN ’12 AND MOVING FORWARD, HE ’12 AND MOVING FORWARD, HE INHERITED A BAD ECONOMY AND INHERITED A BAD ECONOMY AND PEOPLE WERE SAYING WELL, HE TO PEOPLE WERE SAYING WELL, HE TO FIX IT. FIX IT. THIS MAN INHERITED A GOOD THIS MAN INHERITED A GOOD ECONOMY. ECONOMY.>>THAT’S FAIR.>>THAT’S FAIR.>>AND HE HAS NOT DELIVERED.>>AND HE HAS NOT DELIVERED. SO HE’S LIKE A DENTIST GIVING SO HE’S LIKE A DENTIST GIVING YOU NORV ACANE BUT WHEN THE YOU NORV ACANE BUT WHEN THE NOVOCAIN WEARS OFF, YOU HAVE A NOVOCAIN WEARS OFF, YOU HAVE A POLITICAL POLITICAL TOOTHACHE. POLITICAL POLITICAL TOOTHACHE. PEOPLE ARE HURTING. PEOPLE ARE HURTING. THE NOVOCAIN IS WEARING OFF AND THE NOVOCAIN IS WEARING OFF AND YOU CAN’T GET ANOTHER SHOT IN MY YOU CAN’T GET ANOTHER SHOT IN MY JAW, MR. TRUMP. JAW, MR. TRUMP. WHERE’S MY JOB? WHERE’S MY JOB?>>PHIL RUCKER, I WANT TO GIVE>>PHIL RUCKER, I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE LAST WORD AND YOUR YOU THE LAST WORD AND YOUR INSIGHTS AND REPORTING AND INSIGHTS AND REPORTING AND ANALYSIS ON HOW TRUMP READS ANALYSIS ON HOW TRUMP READS THESE POLLS. THESE POLLS. WE KNOW HOW HE READS COVERAGE WE KNOW HOW HE READS COVERAGE THAT’S TRUE THAT PEOPLE CLOSE TO THAT’S TRUE THAT PEOPLE CLOSE TO HIM ARE SOURCED ON, CALLS IT HIM ARE SOURCED ON, CALLS IT FAKE NEWS AND THE TRUER, THE FAKE NEWS AND THE TRUER, THE LOUDER THE SQUEAL FROM THE OVAL LOUDER THE SQUEAL FROM THE OVAL OFFICE. OFFICE. WHAT IS YOUR READ ON ANY OF THE WHAT IS YOUR READ ON ANY OF THE POLLS? POLLS? KELLYANNE CONWAY IS THE KELLYANNE CONWAY IS THE POLLSTER. POLLSTER. SHE CAN TELL A GOOD POLL FROM A SHE CAN TELL A GOOD POLL FROM A BAD POLL. BAD POLL. THE FOX NEWS POLL BEING THE FOX NEWS POLL BEING DISMISSED AS FAKE NEWS? DISMISSED AS FAKE NEWS?>>WELL, PUBLICLY, NICOLLE, IT’S>>WELL, PUBLICLY, NICOLLE, IT’S A PRETTY SIMPLE WAY TO THINK A PRETTY SIMPLE WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT. ABOUT IT. IF THE POLL SHOWS TRUMP WINNING, IF THE POLL SHOWS TRUMP WINNING, IT’S A REAL POLL. IT’S A REAL POLL. IT’S AN ACTUAL POLL. IT’S AN ACTUAL POLL. IF IT SHOWS HIM LOSING, IT’S A IF IT SHOWS HIM LOSING, IT’S A TOTALLY FAKE, DISGUSTING, TOTALLY FAKE, DISGUSTING, BIASED, RIGGED POLL. BIASED, RIGGED POLL. BUT THE PEOPLE IN THE WHITE BUT THE PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE, KELLYANNE CONWAY HOUSE, KELLYANNE CONWAY ESPECIALLY BUT OTHERS AS WELL ESPECIALLY BUT OTHERS AS WELL AND ON THE CAMPAIGN KNOW HOW TO AND ON THE CAMPAIGN KNOW HOW TO READ POLLS. READ POLLS. THEY KNOW THIS DATA IS NOT GREAT THEY KNOW THIS DATA IS NOT GREAT FOR THE PRESIDENT BUT THEY THINK FOR THE PRESIDENT BUT THEY THINK THEY STILL HAVE A CHANCE IN PART THEY STILL HAVE A CHANCE IN PART BECAUSE THEY VIEW THE DEMOCRATIC BECAUSE THEY VIEW THE DEMOCRATIC FIELD AS SOMEWHAT WEAK. FIELD AS SOMEWHAT WEAK. ONE POINT ON THIS CONVERSATION ONE POINT ON THIS CONVERSATION WE WERE JUST HAVING, I KEPT WE WERE JUST HAVING, I KEPT THINKING ABOUT A PHRASE TRUMP THINKING ABOUT A PHRASE TRUMP USED IN THE CAMPAIGN AND IT WAS USED IN THE CAMPAIGN AND IT WAS I ALONE CAN FIX IT. I ALONE CAN FIX IT. IT SEEMS LIKE THE REAL DANGER IT SEEMS LIKE THE REAL DANGER FOR HIM IS THAT A MAJORITY OF FOR HIM IS THAT A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS CONCLUDE THAT HE AMERICANS CONCLUDE THAT HE COULDN’T FIX IT. COULDN’T FIX IT. THAT HIM SORT OF PITCHING THAT HIM SORT OF PITCHING HIMSELF AS THEIR GENIUS WHO HIMSELF AS THEIR GENIUS WHO COULD FIX EVERYTHING THAT AILED COULD FIX EVERYTHING THAT AILED OUR SOCIETY AND COUNTRY AND OUR SOCIETY AND COUNTRY AND ECONOMY IS THAT HE’S MORE OF A ECONOMY IS THAT HE’S MORE OF A FRAUD.

President Donald Trump’s Dismal State-By-State Job Approval | All In | MSNBC


>>>IF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION>>>IF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY, ACCORDING TO WERE HELD TODAY, ACCORDING TO BRAND NEW STATE-BY-STATE POLLING BRAND NEW STATE-BY-STATE POLLING OF TRUMP’S JOB APPROVAL, HE OF TRUMP’S JOB APPROVAL, HE COULD LOSE THE ELECTION BY 300 COULD LOSE THE ELECTION BY 300 ELECTORAL VOTES. ELECTORAL VOTES. THAT’S A CALCULATION FROM “NEW THAT’S A CALCULATION FROM “NEW YORK” MAGAZINE EXTRAPOLATING YORK” MAGAZINE EXTRAPOLATING FROM THE LATEST DATA OF THE FROM THE LATEST DATA OF THE ONLINE POLLING GROUP CIVICS. ONLINE POLLING GROUP CIVICS. 419 ELECTORAL VOTES TO THE 419 ELECTORAL VOTES TO THE DEMOCRATS, STILL TO BE DEMOCRATS, STILL TO BE DETERMINED. DETERMINED. 119 ELECTORAL VOTES TO THE 119 ELECTORAL VOTES TO THE REPUBLICAN, DONALD TRUMP. REPUBLICAN, DONALD TRUMP. FOR MORE ON THAT AND THE 2020 FOR MORE ON THAT AND THE 2020 RACE, I’M JOINED BY THE SENIOR RACE, I’M JOINED BY THE SENIOR ELECTIONS ANALYST AT REAL CLEAR ELECTIONS ANALYST AT REAL CLEAR POLITICS. POLITICS. WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU. WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. SHAWN, FIRST OF ALL, JUST SHAWN, FIRST OF ALL, JUST INTERPRET THAT FOR ME. INTERPRET THAT FOR ME. THAT IS A POLL ABOUT DONALD THAT IS A POLL ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S APPROVAL RATING TRUMP’S APPROVAL RATING EXTRAPOLATED INTO IF MORE PEOPLE EXTRAPOLATED INTO IF MORE PEOPLE IN THE STATE DON’T LIKE DONALD IN THE STATE DON’T LIKE DONALD TRUMP THAN DO, HE MAY NOT WIN TRUMP THAN DO, HE MAY NOT WIN THAT STATE’S ELECTORAL COLLEGE THAT STATE’S ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES. VOTES. THEY PILED THAT ALTOGETHER AND THEY PILED THAT ALTOGETHER AND CAME OUT WITH THAT RESULT. CAME OUT WITH THAT RESULT. AS A POLLSTER, WHAT DO YOU AS A POLLSTER, WHAT DO YOU THINK? THINK?>>YOU KNOW, I THINK IT’S A>>YOU KNOW, I THINK IT’S A USEFUL KIND OF RULE OF THUMB USEFUL KIND OF RULE OF THUMB WHERE THINGS STAND. WHERE THINGS STAND. I THINK WE ALL KNOW THE I THINK WE ALL KNOW THE PRESIDENT’S JOB APPROVAL IS NOT PRESIDENT’S JOB APPROVAL IS NOT STRONG AND THAT THAT’S GOING TO STRONG AND THAT THAT’S GOING TO TRANSLATE TO A DIFFICULT TRANSLATE TO A DIFFICULT ELECTION FOR HIM. ELECTION FOR HIM. THE PROBLEM IS WHEN WE ACTUALLY THE PROBLEM IS WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET TO THE ELECTION, IT’S NOT GET TO THE ELECTION, IT’S NOT GOING TO BE JUST ANY DEMOCRAT GOING TO BE JUST ANY DEMOCRAT WHO’S RUNNING AGAINST HIM, IT’S WHO’S RUNNING AGAINST HIM, IT’S GOING TO BE A DEMOCRAT WITH REAL GOING TO BE A DEMOCRAT WITH REAL POLICIES, SOME OF WHICH WILL BE POLICIES, SOME OF WHICH WILL BE POPULAR, SOME OF WHICH WILL BE POPULAR, SOME OF WHICH WILL BE LESS SO. LESS SO. THAT’S GOING TO SHAPE THE THAT’S GOING TO SHAPE THE DIRECTION OF THE 2020 ELECTION. DIRECTION OF THE 2020 ELECTION.>>SO THAT’S AN IMPORTANT POINT,>>SO THAT’S AN IMPORTANT POINT, THAT THE PRESIDENT OR DONALD THAT THE PRESIDENT OR DONALD TRUMP CAN BE UNDERWATER IN TERMS TRUMP CAN BE UNDERWATER IN TERMS OF POPULARITY OR MORE PEOPLE CAN OF POPULARITY OR MORE PEOPLE CAN THINK HE’S POPUNPOPULAR THAN THINK HE’S POPUNPOPULAR THAN POPULAR BUT IT’S RELATIVE TO WHO POPULAR BUT IT’S RELATIVE TO WHO HE’S RUNNING AGAINST. HE’S RUNNING AGAINST.>>YEAH, AND WE SAW THAT VERY>>YEAH, AND WE SAW THAT VERY CLEARLY IN 2016 WHEN YOU SAW TWO CLEARLY IN 2016 WHEN YOU SAW TWO CANDIDATES WHO WERE UNPOPULAR CANDIDATES WHO WERE UNPOPULAR AND VOTERS WERE HAVING TO MAKE AND VOTERS WERE HAVING TO MAKE THE CHOICE OF THE LESSER OF TWO THE CHOICE OF THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS. EVILS. I THINK THERE’S A CONSTITUTIONAL I THINK THERE’S A CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT THAT SOMEBODY POINTS REQUIREMENT THAT SOMEBODY POINTS THIS OUT BUT THE POLLS AREN’T THIS OUT BUT THE POLLS AREN’T PREDICTIVE YET BECAUSE WE DON’T PREDICTIVE YET BECAUSE WE DON’T KNOW WHO THE CANDIDATE IS AND KNOW WHO THE CANDIDATE IS AND THERE’S STILL SO MUCH LEFT TO THERE’S STILL SO MUCH LEFT TO HAPPEN IN THIS CAMPAIGN. HAPPEN IN THIS CAMPAIGN.>>SEAN, THERE IS A POLL FROM>>SEAN, THERE IS A POLL FROM REAL CLEAR POLITICS THAT TALKS REAL CLEAR POLITICS THAT TALKS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S APPROVAL ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S APPROVAL RATINGS. RATINGS. INSOFAR AS THESE NUMBERS INSOFAR AS THESE NUMBERS INDICATE, THEY’RE IN LINE WITH INDICATE, THEY’RE IN LINE WITH THE POLLING THAT “NEW YORK” THE POLLING THAT “NEW YORK” MAGAZINE USED. MAGAZINE USED. 43% APPROVE, 53% DISAPPROVE. 43% APPROVE, 53% DISAPPROVE. THERE’S NOT A TON OF MOVEMENT IN THERE’S NOT A TON OF MOVEMENT IN THESE NUMBERS. THESE NUMBERS.>>NO.>>NO. THE PRESIDENT’S JOB APPROVAL IS THE PRESIDENT’S JOB APPROVAL IS REMARKABLY CONSISTENT OVER THE REMARKABLY CONSISTENT OVER THE LAST ALMOST YEAR AT THIS POINT. LAST ALMOST YEAR AT THIS POINT. SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 42%, 41% ON SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 42%, 41% ON THE LOW END. THE LOW END. SOMETIMES IT GETS UP TO 45%. SOMETIMES IT GETS UP TO 45%. LOOK, IF IT STAYS IN THAT BAND, LOOK, IF IT STAYS IN THAT BAND, HE’S GOING TO HAVE A VERY, VERY HE’S GOING TO HAVE A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TIME WINNING DIFFICULT TIME WINNING RE-ELECTION, THERE’S NO DOUBT RE-ELECTION, THERE’S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. ABOUT THAT.>>THERE ARE SOME PLACES,>>THERE ARE SOME PLACES, THOUGH, ARIEL, THAT YOU WOULDN’T THOUGH, ARIEL, THAT YOU WOULDN’T THINK A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT THINK A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE A TOUGH TIME WINNING WOULD HAVE A TOUGH TIME WINNING RE-ELECTION BUT TEXAS COMES UP RE-ELECTION BUT TEXAS COMES UP TO COME UP AS A TOPIC, A STATE TO COME UP AS A TOPIC, A STATE THAT IS IN PLAY. THAT IS IN PLAY. POLITICO WRITES WROEGT FROM WILL POLITICO WRITES WROEGT FROM WILL HURD, IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN HURD, IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN TEXAS DOESN’T START LOOKING LIKE TEXAS DOESN’T START LOOKING LIKE TEXAS, THERE WON’T BE A TEXAS, THERE WON’T BE A REPUBLICAN PARTY IN TEXAS, SAID REPUBLICAN PARTY IN TEXAS, SAID RETIRING CONGRESSMAN WILL HURD. RETIRING CONGRESSMAN WILL HURD. LAST CYCLE WAS WITHOUT A DOUBT A LAST CYCLE WAS WITHOUT A DOUBT A WAKE-UP CALL TO MOST ELECTED WAKE-UP CALL TO MOST ELECTED OFFICIALS. OFFICIALS. TEXAS IS INDEED PURPLE. TEXAS IS INDEED PURPLE. DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGE IS LEADING A DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGE IS LEADING A LOT OF THAT. LOT OF THAT. THAT’S NOT JUST DONALD TRUMP’S THAT’S NOT JUST DONALD TRUMP’S UNPOPULARITY. UNPOPULARITY.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. AND I MEAN I THINK TEXAS IS ONE AND I MEAN I THINK TEXAS IS ONE OF THOSE STATES THAT’S SO OF THOSE STATES THAT’S SO HEAVILY SYMBOLIC THAT THERE’S HEAVILY SYMBOLIC THAT THERE’S ALWAYS A LOT OF ATTENTION TO ALWAYS A LOT OF ATTENTION TO WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO BE THE WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO BE THE CYCLE THAT IT FINALLY FLIPS. CYCLE THAT IT FINALLY FLIPS. BUT THE FACT THAT WE’RE TALKING BUT THE FACT THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THAT DOES MEAN SOMETHING. ABOUT THAT DOES MEAN SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, DEMOGRAPHICS ALWAYS YOU KNOW, DEMOGRAPHICS ALWAYS SORT OF TEND TO LAG AT THE SORT OF TEND TO LAG AT THE BALLOT BOX BEHIND WHAT’S BALLOT BOX BEHIND WHAT’S ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN THE ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN THE STATES, BUT WE’LL SEE WHETHER STATES, BUT WE’LL SEE WHETHER THAT CAN ACTUALLY CATCH UP THIS THAT CAN ACTUALLY CATCH UP THIS TIME AROUND. TIME AROUND.>>SEAN, THE DEMOCRATS HAVE PUT>>SEAN, THE DEMOCRATS HAVE PUT IN POLLING AND FUND-RAISING IN POLLING AND FUND-RAISING GOALS TO ENSURE THEY DON’T HAVE GOALS TO ENSURE THEY DON’T HAVE 25 PEOPLE ON A STAGE AT THE NEXT 25 PEOPLE ON A STAGE AT THE NEXT DEBATE. DEBATE. ABOUT NINE PEOPLE I THINK HAVE ABOUT NINE PEOPLE I THINK HAVE QUALIFIED SO FAR. QUALIFIED SO FAR. IN TERMS OF THE FUND-RAISING IN TERMS OF THE FUND-RAISING PART OF IT, THE NUMBER OF PART OF IT, THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUAL DOERPNORS, AND THAT INDIVIDUAL DOERPNORS, AND THAT MEANS THEY CAN GIVE ANY AMOUNT MEANS THEY CAN GIVE ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY, TOM STEYER HAS OF MONEY, TOM STEYER HAS QUALIFIED ON THAT FRONT. QUALIFIED ON THAT FRONT. HE STILL NEEDS ONE MORE POLL IN HE STILL NEEDS ONE MORE POLL IN WHICH HE’S ABOVE 2% IN ORDER TO WHICH HE’S ABOVE 2% IN ORDER TO QUALIFY. QUALIFY. THAT HAS LED TO A LOT OF THAT HAS LED TO A LOT OF CRITICISM THAT THESE DNC RULES CRITICISM THAT THESE DNC RULES ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DONORS ARE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DONORS ARE OUT OF STEP WITH POLLING AND OUT OF STEP WITH POLLING AND ALLOW A GUY AS RICH AS TOM ALLOW A GUY AS RICH AS TOM STEYER TO SOME EXTENT TO BUY HIS STEYER TO SOME EXTENT TO BUY HIS WAY. WAY. STEVE BULLOCK SAID TO BUY HIS STEVE BULLOCK SAID TO BUY HIS WAY ONTO THE DEBATE STAGE. WAY ONTO THE DEBATE STAGE.>>WELL, I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW>>WELL, I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW SOMEONE LIKE GOVERNOR BULLOCK OR SOMEONE LIKE GOVERNOR BULLOCK OR SENATOR GILLIBRAND OR SOME OF SENATOR GILLIBRAND OR SOME OF THESE CANDIDATES WHO HAVE BEEN THESE CANDIDATES WHO HAVE BEEN IN AND ARE STRUGGLING TO MAKE IN AND ARE STRUGGLING TO MAKE THE STAGE COULD BE FRUSTRATED. THE STAGE COULD BE FRUSTRATED. BUT LOOK, STEYER, THE ONLY WAY BUT LOOK, STEYER, THE ONLY WAY HE CAN MAKE THAT STAGE IS IF HE HE CAN MAKE THAT STAGE IS IF HE CONVINCES 130,000 PEOPLE TO GIVE CONVINCES 130,000 PEOPLE TO GIVE HIM A DOLLAR. HIM A DOLLAR. AND IF HE GETS SOME LEVEL OF AND IF HE GETS SOME LEVEL OF SUPPORT IN THE POLLS. SUPPORT IN THE POLLS. THAT’S WHAT THESE CUTOFFS ARE THAT’S WHAT THESE CUTOFFS ARE MEANT TO DO. MEANT TO DO. IT’S MEANT TO ASSURE THAT THIS IT’S MEANT TO ASSURE THAT THIS LATE IN THE GAME THERE’S AT LATE IN THE GAME THERE’S AT LEAST SOME LEVEL OF SUPPORT FOR LEAST SOME LEVEL OF SUPPORT FOR THE CANDIDATES. THE CANDIDATES. I THINK WHEN WE GET TO NOVEMBER I THINK WHEN WE GET TO NOVEMBER STEYER WILL HAVE A MUCH TOUGHER STEYER WILL HAVE A MUCH TOUGHER TIME MAKING THAT CUTOFF. TIME MAKING THAT CUTOFF.>>AND THEY CAN INCREASE THE>>AND THEY CAN INCREASE THE POLLING REQUIREMENT, BUT IS POLLING REQUIREMENT, BUT IS THERE SOME ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THERE SOME ARGUMENT TO BE MADE FOR THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE FOR THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF OF TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DONORS RESULTING IN CANDIDATES DONORS RESULTING IN CANDIDATES SPENDING FAR MORE THAN A DOLLAR SPENDING FAR MORE THAN A DOLLAR TO GET A DOLLAR FROM A DONOR? TO GET A DOLLAR FROM A DONOR?>>YEAH, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE>>YEAH, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE CREATED A SET OF INCENTIVES CREATED A SET OF INCENTIVES WHERE THAT’S WHAT CANDIDATES ARE WHERE THAT’S WHAT CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON IF THOSE ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON IF THOSE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS. THE REQUIREMENTS. LOOK, I DON’T KNOW IF THERE’S LOOK, I DON’T KNOW IF THERE’S ANY PARTICULAR PERFECT WAY TO ANY PARTICULAR PERFECT WAY TO MAKE THE CUTOFF, BUT EVENTUALLY MAKE THE CUTOFF, BUT EVENTUALLY THIS FIELD WILL HAVE TO START THIS FIELD WILL HAVE TO START WINNOWING DOWN AND VOTERS WILL WINNOWING DOWN AND VOTERS WILL HAVE TO FOCUS ON A COUPLE OF HAVE TO FOCUS ON A COUPLE OF REALISTIC OPTIONS. REALISTIC OPTIONS.>>SEAN, LET’S TALK ABOUT WHITE>>SEAN, LET’S TALK ABOUT WHITE NATIONALISM AND THE ROLE THAT’S NATIONALISM AND THE ROLE THAT’S GOING TO PLAY. GOING TO PLAY. PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHT IT’S A PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHT IT’S A THREAT FOR A LONG TIME BUT IT’S THREAT FOR A LONG TIME BUT IT’S POSSIBLE IT BECOMES CENTRAL TO POSSIBLE IT BECOMES CENTRAL TO THE ELECTION. THE ELECTION. A RECENT HUFF POST/UGOV POLL A RECENT HUFF POST/UGOV POLL ASKED IS WHITE NATIONALISM A ASKED IS WHITE NATIONALISM A THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES. THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES. 56 SAID YES. 56 SAID YES. DO YOU THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP DO YOU THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP SUPPORTS WHITE NATIONALISM, 44% SUPPORTS WHITE NATIONALISM, 44% SAID YES. SAID YES. HOW DOES DONALD TRUMP DEAL WITH HOW DOES DONALD TRUMP DEAL WITH THIS? THIS?>>WELL, I THINK DONALD TRUMP IS>>WELL, I THINK DONALD TRUMP IS JUST DONALD TRUMP AND HE DOES JUST DONALD TRUMP AND HE DOES WHAT HE THINKS. WHAT HE THINKS. I DON’T KNOW THAT THERE’S ANY I DON’T KNOW THAT THERE’S ANY WAY HE PARTICULARLY DEALS WITH WAY HE PARTICULARLY DEALS WITH IT. IT. IT’S A BLEMISH ON HIS IT’S A BLEMISH ON HIS ADMINISTRATION, IT’S A BLEMISH ADMINISTRATION, IT’S A BLEMISH ON HIS RECORD. ON HIS RECORD. WHAT HIS STRATEGY PROBABLY IS, WHAT HIS STRATEGY PROBABLY IS, IS TO TRY TO SCARE PEOPLE ABOUT IS TO TRY TO SCARE PEOPLE ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS AND HOPE THAT THE

Tomi Lahren FIRED


GLENN
BECK HAS OFFICIALLY PERMANENTLY BANNED TOMI LAHREN FROM THE
BLAZE. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVEN’T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION,
CONTROVERSY BEGAN WHEN TOMMY LAUREN WENT ON THE VIEW
AND SAID THIS.>>I AM PRO-CHOICE AND HERE IS
WHY. I AM A CONSTITUTIONAL, SOMEONE THAT LOVES THE
CONSTITUTION. I AM FOR LIMITED GOVERNMENT AND CAN’T SIT HERE
AND BE A HYPOCRITE. I THINK ñ I CAN SIT HERE AND SAY THAT AS
REPUBLICAN. I AM FOR LIMITED GOVERNMENT SO STAY OUT OF MY
GUNS AND YOU CAN STAY OUT OF MY BODY AS WELL.>>YOU NEED TO GO OUT AND SPEAK
TO WOMEN ABOUT THAT.>>I DO EVERY DAY AND I GET A LOT
OF ATTACKS FROM CONSERVATIVE WOMEN AS WELL. IT IS EQUAL HATE FROM ALL
SIDES FOR ME.>>THAT TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE.>>BEFORE WE GET TO EVERYTHING
THAT TRANSPIRED AFTER THAT I DO WANT TO REMIND THE AUDIENCE THAT
SHE DOES SAY ONE THING ON ONE PLATFORM, AND ANOTHER ON ANOTHER. ON THE BLAZE SHE
SEEMS TO APPEAR TO BE VERY
ANTI-PRO CHOICE. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.>>THINK ABOUT IT THE
PRO-CHOICERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ON RARE AND SAFE ABORTIONS. THEN WE HAVE LENA DUNHAM WISHING
SHE COULD HAVE MURDERED A FETUS, WISHING FOR THE OPTION
TO KILL YOUR CHILD. DOESN’T SAY MUCH ABOUT THE
CAUSE, HER CHARACTER OR THE PRO-CHOICE MOVEMENT.>>SHE BASICALLY COMPARES HAVING
AN ABORTION TO KILLING BABIES IN THAT CLIP. SHE IS KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE ON THAT ISSUE. THAT GOES TO THE POINT THAT I HAVE BEEN MAKING ABOUT PEOPLE
LIKE HER. SHE DOESN’T REALLY BELIEVE ANYTHING. SHE DOESN’T
BELIEVE THE THINGS SHE SAYS, SHE SAYS THAT FOR SHOCK VALUE. THAT IS HOW SHE EARNS A PAYCHECK. WILL SHE TRANSFORM TO A CERTAIN MOLD THAT FITS ONE PLATFORM VERSUS ANOTHER? ABSOLUTELY. BUT
I DO THINK THERE IS SOME RAMIFICATIONS FOR HER GETTING FIRED. SHE MADE SENSE ONCE IN HER
LIFETIME WHEN SHE WAS ON THE VIEW.>>WHEN SHE SAID I TALK ABOUT IT
EVERY DAY, I WAS THINKING I DON’T REMEMBER SEEING ABOUT HOW
YOU ARE PRO-CHOICE EVERY DAY. AND OF COURSE YOU FIND THE CLIPS
WHERE SHE COMPARES PRO-CHOICE PEOPLE TO STRAIGHT UP BABY KILLERS. DON’T WORRY, YOU CAN
AVOID LOOKING LIKE A STRAIGHT UP BABY KILLER AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT AS EXTREME AS LENA DUNHAM
AND HER PRO-CHOICE POSITIONS. SHE IS IRONICALLY LIKE A POLITICIAN. WHAT ROOM AM I IN? WHO AM I TRYING TO APPEAL TO? I AM AT THE BLAZE? YEAH, BLACK PEOPLE ARE TERRIBLE. WHAT IS
WORKING ON FACEBOOK THESE DAYS? ME BEING EVEN CRAZIER. THEN I
THINK THE BLACK GROUPS FIGHTING FOR CIVIL RIGHTS ARE LIKE THE KKK. HOW IS THAT FOR KNOTS? THAT
WENT VIRAL. THEN ON THE VIEW SHE THOUGHT THIS IS NICE, ALL OF A
SUDDEN I AM PRO-CHOICE.>>IT IS FRUSTRATING BECAUSE IT
IS INAUTHENTIC AND I THINK IT SHOWS YOU A CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ESTABLISHMENT MEDIA AND
NEW MEDIA. I THINK SHE WILL HAVE A VERY EASY TIME FINDING ANOTHER
JOB IN ESTABLISHMENT MEDIA. ALL THEY LOOK FOR HIS ACTORS. THEY
DON’T LOOK FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE PRINCIPLED OR HAVE GENUINE
POLITICAL BELIEFS. THEY LOOK FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO READ A
SCRIPT AND WILLING TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT THEM TO SAY AND THAT
IS IT. I THINK SHE WILL BE FINE. AT THIS POINT IT DOESN’T
EVEN MATTER.>>PLEASE HIRE HER MSNBC.>>INCONCEIVABLE THAT THEY
WOULDN’T MAKE AN OFFER. I DO WANT TO FOCUS ON ANOTHER PART I THINK IS IMPORTANT. POLITICAL
IDEOLOGY IS TRIBALLISTIC. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO STRAY IN ANY WAY IF YOU OR ANY POLITICAL FORM
BECAUSE THE SECOND YOU DO YOU GET REJECTED. YOU WANT PROGRESS
AND YOUR POLITICAL PARTY TO EVOLVE. IN THIS CASE INSTEAD OF
APPLAUDING HER FOR MAKING SENSE AND MAY BE CONVINCING THE RIGHT WING TO EVOLVE, THE RIGHT WING
JUST REJECTED HER AND THEY ARE SUPER CLOSED MINDED. I SEE SIMILAR BEHAVIOR ON THE
LEFT. I THINK IT IS A PROBLEM. I THINK IT WILL FURTHER POLARIZE
US AND WILL NOT LEAD TO PROGRESS.>>NBC NEWS RECENTLY CALLED
HER OPPORTUNISTIC FOR JUST APPEALING TO A CERTAIN PORTION,
LEFT WING OF THE AUDIENCE. I REMEMBER AFTER BACKING OBAMA IN 2008 WHEN HE DID THINGS THAT
WERE OPPOSITE OF THE PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT, I CRITICIZED HIM OFTEN
AND I GOT PUNISHED BY THE AUDIENCE. THEN I REMEMBER BEING
IN FAVOR OF BERNIE SANDERS AND PASSING OFF A LOT OF OUR
AUDIENCE WHO WERE FOR HILLARY CLINTON. THEN I REMEMBER
SUPPORTING HILLARY CLINTON IN THE GENERAL ELECTION, AND BEING CALLED SHILLARY FOR IT. WE ALL
HAVE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, AND THAT IS A GOOD THING AND WE SHOULD SHARE THAT WITH YOU. BUT
MANY OTHER PEOPLE DO NOT AGREE. THEY THINK I HAVE A NICHE HERE
AND I AM GOING TO SERVE THIS AUDIENCE AND BE EITHER SUPER LEFT ñ IF THERE ARE FOLKS LIKE
THAT IN OUR NETWORK THEN BLESS THEIR HEARTS. THEN THERE ARE
PEOPLE THAT THINK HILLARY WAS AWESOME. THAT IS OKAY, GOD
BLESS. BUT THE RIGHT WING DOESN’T THINK THAT WAY. IF YOU
STRAY FROM ORTHODOX EVEN A LITTLE BIT YOU ARE GONE.>>THAT IS RIGHT.>>IN THIS CASE I AM SO TORN
BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH SO WRONG. ON THE OTHER HAND IF HE IS FIRING HER BECAUSE OF HER CRAP,
IT IS HARD NOT TO SYMPATHIZE WITH HER.>>THERE IS AN INSIDER AT THE
BLAZE WHO SPOKE TO THE MEDIA ABOUT GLENN THINKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE. AGAIN, TOMIWAS RIGHT
AND CALLING THEM HYPOCRITES. YOU CAN’T MAKE ARGUMENTS IN FAVOR OF
SMALL GOVERNMENT AND INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY WHILE YOU SIMULTANEOUSLY
TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY CAN OR CAN’T DO WITH THEIR BODIES. THAT
WAS ONE OF THE FEW TIMES THAT TOMI LAHREN MADE ANY SENSE AND
WAS CONSISTENT IN HER THOUGHT PROCESS. SHE IS VERY
CONSTITUTIONAL AS SHE SAID IN THAT VIDEO.>>EVENT GLENN BECK IS GUILTY. THAT IS THEM SAYING WE FIRED HER FOR STEPPING OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF BEING CONSERVATIVE AND
INSULTING OTHER CONSERVATIVES. WE INSULT EACH OTHER ALL THE
TIME. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.>>IT IS ALMOST LIKE THEY ARE
SPECIAL LITTLE SNOWFLAKES.>>ALMOST. I LIKE HOW THEY SAY IT
IS NOT FIRE, SHE IS PERMANENTLY BANNED. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? EXPLAINING BECK’S ACTIONS HE SAYS THIS.>>UNIFY THE COUNTRY? GLENN BECK.>>HE IS SO FULL OF HIMSELF. THERE ARE NO WINNERS HERE. SHE IS A GIANT HYPOCRITE AND
CONSTANTLY CHANGES HER POSITIONS TO SUIT HER ADVANTAGE. AND HE IS
A TOTAL FRAUD WHO IS A SPECIAL LITTLE SNOWFLAKE. BUT IN HIS
MIND HE IS THE ONE THINKER ON THE RIGHT WHO CAN UNIFY THE COUNTRY. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT, GLENN.

No American Cop On The Beat As World Is In Turmoil | MTP Daily | MSNBC


THE WHITE HOUSE AND CONGRESS MIGHT ACTUALLY REACH SOME SORT MIGHT ACTUALLY REACH SOME SORT OF DEAL. OF DEAL.>>>WELCOME TO WEDNESDAY.>>>WELCOME TO WEDNESDAY. “MEET THE PRESS DAILY.” “MEET THE PRESS DAILY.” GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. I’M CHUCK TODD HERE IN I’M CHUCK TODD HERE IN WASHINGTON. WASHINGTON. PRESIDENT TRUMP DIDN’T WANT PRESIDENT TRUMP DIDN’T WANT AMERICA TO BE THE WORLD’S AMERICA TO BE THE WORLD’S POLICE. POLICE. WELL, WE GOT TO ASK THIS WELL, WE GOT TO ASK THIS QUESTION. QUESTION. IS THIS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN IS THIS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN THERE IS NO AMERICAN COP ON THE THERE IS NO AMERICAN COP ON THE BEAT? BEAT? THERE ARE CLASHES IN HONG KONG THERE ARE CLASHES IN HONG KONG BETWEEN PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTESTERS BETWEEN PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTESTERS AND RIOT POLICE. AND RIOT POLICE. THERE ARE DECADES-OLD TENSIONS THERE ARE DECADES-OLD TENSIONS REEMERGING BETWEEN JAPAN AND REEMERGING BETWEEN JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA. SOUTH KOREA. AT A MOMENT THEY SHOULD BE AT A MOMENT THEY SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON NORTH KOREA. FOCUSED ON NORTH KOREA. THERE ARE POPULIST AND THERE ARE POPULIST AND XENOPHOBIC RIOTS ROCKING THE XENOPHOBIC RIOTS ROCKING THE GLOBE. GLOBE. RUSSIA IS TESTING NUCLEAR RUSSIA IS TESTING NUCLEAR POWERED MISSILES. POWERED MISSILES. THERE IS NOW RUSSIAN MISSILE THERE IS NOW RUSSIAN MISSILE TECHNOLOGY INSIDE TURKEY, A KEY TECHNOLOGY INSIDE TURKEY, A KEY NATO NATO NATO ALLY. NATO ALLY. AND I HAVEN’T EVEN MENTIONED AND I HAVEN’T EVEN MENTIONED YOUR JUST SORT OF YOUR JUST SORT OF RUN-OF-THE-MILL WHETHER IT IS RUN-OF-THE-MILL WHETHER IT IS MIDDLE EAST PEACE OR LATIN MIDDLE EAST PEACE OR LATIN AMERICAN, ESPECIALLY WHERE SOME AMERICAN, ESPECIALLY WHERE SOME DEMONSTRATORS ARE SINGING OUR DEMONSTRATORS ARE SINGING OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM LIKE WE’VE SEEN NATIONAL ANTHEM LIKE WE’VE SEEN IN HONG KONG. IN HONG KONG. I DIDN’T EVEN BRING UP THE I DIDN’T EVEN BRING UP THE DEMOCRACY MOVEMENTS WE HAVE DEMOCRACY MOVEMENTS WE HAVE NOTHING ABOUT TO SAY IN RUSSIA. NOTHING ABOUT TO SAY IN RUSSIA. A TOP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL A TOP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL ACTUALLY SAID THE HONG KONG ACTUALLY SAID THE HONG KONG MATTER IS AN INTERNAL MATTER FOR MATTER IS AN INTERNAL MATTER FOR CHINA. CHINA. ANY OTHER MODERN PRESIDENT WOULD ANY OTHER MODERN PRESIDENT WOULD ALSO BE STRENUOUSLY OPPOSING ALSO BE STRENUOUSLY OPPOSING MISSILE LAUNCHES OR REBUKING MISSILE LAUNCHES OR REBUKING ALLIES OR TRYING TO EASE ALLIES OR TRYING TO EASE TENSIONS IN KASHMIR OR TRYING TO TENSIONS IN KASHMIR OR TRYING TO EASE TENSIONS BETWEEN JAPAN AND EASE TENSIONS BETWEEN JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA. SOUTH KOREA. INSTEAD, THE MESSAGE THIS INSTEAD, THE MESSAGE THIS AMERICAN PRESIDENT IS SENDING TO AMERICAN PRESIDENT IS SENDING TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS IS IT’S YOUR FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS IS IT’S YOUR BUSINESS IF YOU WANT TO CRACK BUSINESS IF YOU WANT TO CRACK DOWN ON PROTESTERS OR DOWN ON PROTESTERS OR JOURNALISTS OR SOW JOURNALISTS OR SOW DISINFORMATION. DISINFORMATION. THE UNWILLINGNESS OF WASHINGTON THE UNWILLINGNESS OF WASHINGTON TO HELP DIFFUSE FLASH POINTS IS TO HELP DIFFUSE FLASH POINTS IS ONE OF THE CLEAR SIGNS OF THE ONE OF THE CLEAR SIGNS OF THE EROSION OF AMERICAN POWER AND EROSION OF AMERICAN POWER AND GLOBAL INFLUENCE UNDER GLOBAL INFLUENCE UNDER MR. TRUMP. MR. TRUMP. LET ME TURN TO SOME EXPERTS. LET ME TURN TO SOME EXPERTS. WE’LL START WITH DAVID IGNASHOUS WE’LL START WITH DAVID IGNASHOUS WHO HAS THE TERRIFIC PEACE, WHO HAS THE TERRIFIC PEACE, JASON JOHNSON IS POLITICS EDITOR JASON JOHNSON IS POLITICS EDITOR AT THEROOT.COM. AT THEROOT.COM. ALL OF THEM ARE MSNBC ALL OF THEM ARE MSNBC CONTRIBUTORS. CONTRIBUTORS. DAVID, I WANT TO START WITH YOU DAVID, I WANT TO START WITH YOU BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THOSE — WE’VE BEEN TALKING THOSE — WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS INSIDE OUR OWN NEWS ABOUT THIS INSIDE OUR OWN NEWS ROOM FOR QUITE SOME TIME GOING ROOM FOR QUITE SOME TIME GOING THERE IS THIS GIANT FOREIGN THERE IS THIS GIANT FOREIGN POLICY PROBLEM SITTING AT THE POLICY PROBLEM SITTING AT THE PRESIDENT’S DESK. PRESIDENT’S DESK. BUT IT’S HARD TO ARTICULATE BUT IT’S HARD TO ARTICULATE BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS INACTION. BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS INACTION. YOU DID A GOOD JOB OF YOU DID A GOOD JOB OF ARTICULATING IT IN THIS BIG ARTICULATING IT IN THIS BIG PICTURE, BUT THIS ISN’T THE PICTURE, BUT THIS ISN’T THE EASIEST STORY TO EXPLAIN TO THE EASIEST STORY TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC. PUBLIC. EXPLAIN WHAT WE MEAN BY BY EXPLAIN WHAT WE MEAN BY BY INACTION? INACTION?>>SO, CHUCK, IT IS A>>SO, CHUCK, IT IS A COMPLICATED WORLD. COMPLICATED WORLD. TODAY’S A DAY WHEN WE FELT AS IF TODAY’S A DAY WHEN WE FELT AS IF THE WORLD WAS ON FIRE. THE WORLD WAS ON FIRE. BUT IT’S A DAY WHEN I WAS BUT IT’S A DAY WHEN I WAS REMINDED THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP’S REMINDED THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP’S RESPONSE TO THE WORLD TO THIS RESPONSE TO THE WORLD TO THIS COMPLICATED DIFFICULT WORLD FROM COMPLICATED DIFFICULT WORLD FROM THE DAY HE TOOK OFFICE HAS THE DAY HE TOOK OFFICE HAS BASICALLY BEEN RETREAT, HIS BASICALLY BEEN RETREAT, HIS PREFERRED INSTRUMENT IN DEALING PREFERRED INSTRUMENT IN DEALING WITH COUNTRIES HE DOESN’T LIKE WITH COUNTRIES HE DOESN’T LIKE IS TO SLAP THEM WITH TARIFFS OR IS TO SLAP THEM WITH TARIFFS OR ECONOMIC SANCTIONS. ECONOMIC SANCTIONS. HE EXPRESSES NO COMMITMENT TO HE EXPRESSES NO COMMITMENT TO THE TRADITIONAL AMERICAN ROLE OF THE TRADITIONAL AMERICAN ROLE OF LEADERSHIP, OF MORAL GUIDANCE. LEADERSHIP, OF MORAL GUIDANCE. HE DOESN’T STAND WITH PROTESTERS HE DOESN’T STAND WITH PROTESTERS IN HONG KONG OR IT SEEMS IN HONG KONG OR IT SEEMS ANYWHERE ELSE. ANYWHERE ELSE. AND I DO THINK WE ARE SEEING AND I DO THINK WE ARE SEEING TODAY, IT’S A DAY TO WATCH IT, TODAY, IT’S A DAY TO WATCH IT, THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE TWO THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE TWO YEARS OF RETRENCHMENT OF AMERICA YEARS OF RETRENCHMENT OF AMERICA FIRST, OF SELFISH POLICIES THAT FIRST, OF SELFISH POLICIES THAT DON’T REALLY STAND FOR ANYTHING DON’T REALLY STAND FOR ANYTHING LARGER THAN OUR OWN PARTICULAR LARGER THAN OUR OWN PARTICULAR NATIONAL INTEREST. NATIONAL INTEREST. WHAT REALLY BOTHERED ME IN MY WHAT REALLY BOTHERED ME IN MY COLUMN THIS MORNING, THE CENTRAL COLUMN THIS MORNING, THE CENTRAL THEME, IS WHERE ARE THE THEME, IS WHERE ARE THE DEMOCRATS? DEMOCRATS? HERE IS A PERFECT OPENING FOR HERE IS A PERFECT OPENING FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO OFFER AN THE DEMOCRATS TO OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE VISION. ALTERNATIVE VISION. AS I SAID THIS MORNING WE NEED A AS I SAID THIS MORNING WE NEED A LITTLE MORE JFK LEANING OUT INTO LITTLE MORE JFK LEANING OUT INTO THIS TROUBLED WORLD AND A LITTLE THIS TROUBLED WORLD AND A LITTLE LESS DEMOCRATS REPEATING THEY LESS DEMOCRATS REPEATING THEY DON’T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DON’T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH TRADE AGREEMENTS, THAT DO WITH TRADE AGREEMENTS, THAT THEY’RE AS PROTECTIONIST AS THEY’RE AS PROTECTIONIST AS DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP. THAT’S NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER, THAT’S NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER, ESPECIALLY TODAY. ESPECIALLY TODAY.>>DAVID, LET ME DO THE, WHAT>>DAVID, LET ME DO THE, WHAT SOME MAY PUSH BACK ON WHEN THEY SOME MAY PUSH BACK ON WHEN THEY HEAR ALL OF US ARGUING THIS SORT HEAR ALL OF US ARGUING THIS SORT OF, WELL, AMERICA, WHETHER WE OF, WELL, AMERICA, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT WE ARE THE LIKE IT OR NOT WE ARE THE WORLD’S POLICEMEN. WORLD’S POLICEMEN. THEY MAY PUSH BACK AND SAY TO THEY MAY PUSH BACK AND SAY TO WHAT END HAS THAT WORKED? WHAT END HAS THAT WORKED? WE LOST BLOOD AND TREASURE IN WE LOST BLOOD AND TREASURE IN AFGHANISTAN. AFGHANISTAN. WHY SHOULD WE GET INVOLVED, WHY SHOULD WE GET INVOLVED, RIGHT? RIGHT? THAT IS THE DONALD TRUMP FOREIGN THAT IS THE DONALD TRUMP FOREIGN POLICY PHILOSOPHY. POLICY PHILOSOPHY. FRANKLY, THAT IS PROBABLY WHERE FRANKLY, THAT IS PROBABLY WHERE 40% OF THE COUNTRY SIT ON THESE 40% OF THE COUNTRY SIT ON THESE ISSUES. ISSUES.>>SO, PEOPLE ARE RIGHT THAT>>SO, PEOPLE ARE RIGHT THAT THIS IS NOT A MOMENT WHEN WE THIS IS NOT A MOMENT WHEN WE SHOULD ENGAGE IN THE SENSE OF SHOULD ENGAGE IN THE SENSE OF LOOKING FOR NEW WARS OVERSEAS. LOOKING FOR NEW WARS OVERSEAS. I’VE BEEN THINKING THE LAST I’VE BEEN THINKING THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS ATTENDING COUPLE WEEKS ATTENDING CONFERENCES ABOUT CHINA AND THE CONFERENCES ABOUT CHINA AND THE THREAT THAT CHINA POSES. THREAT THAT CHINA POSES. THE ANSWER TO THAT CHINESE THE ANSWER TO THAT CHINESE CHALLENGE IS TO GET OUR OWN CHALLENGE IS TO GET OUR OWN HOUSE IN ORDER. HOUSE IN ORDER. EVERY THEME THAT DEMOCRATS EVERY THEME THAT DEMOCRATS EXPRESS IN THIS CAMPAIGN, YOU EXPRESS IN THIS CAMPAIGN, YOU KNOW, IMPROVING OUR SCHOOLS, KNOW, IMPROVING OUR SCHOOLS, MAKING OURSELVES A MORE MAKING OURSELVES A MORE INCLUSIVE, DIVERSE AND WELCOMING INCLUSIVE, DIVERSE AND WELCOMING COUNTRY MAKES SENSE IN COUNTRY MAKES SENSE IN PARTICULAR IN THE CONTEXT OF PARTICULAR IN THE CONTEXT OF HAVING A STRONGER COUNTRY AND HAVING A STRONGER COUNTRY AND POLITICAL SYSTEM THAT WORKS TO POLITICAL SYSTEM THAT WORKS TO PUSH BACK AGAINST A RISING CHINA PUSH BACK AGAINST A RISING CHINA THAT, THROUGH THE REST OF OUR THAT, THROUGH THE REST OF OUR LIFETIMES, YOU AND ME AND OUR LIFETIMES, YOU AND ME AND OUR CHILDREN, TOO, IS GOING TO BE CHILDREN, TOO, IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING WE PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. SO IT’S NOT THAT WE WANT TO GO SO IT’S NOT THAT WE WANT TO GO BACK TO JFK, PAY ANY PRICE, YOU BACK TO JFK, PAY ANY PRICE, YOU KNOW, WITH TROOFS ALL OVER THE KNOW, WITH TROOFS ALL OVER THE WORLD. WORLD. IT’S TO BEGIN SOLVING THE IT’S TO BEGIN SOLVING THE PROBLEMS, BEING STRONGER AND PROBLEMS, BEING STRONGER AND MORE UNIFIED AND THEN BEING ABLE MORE UNIFIED AND THEN BEING ABLE TO COMPETE BETTER. TO COMPETE BETTER.>>I WANT TO UNPACK TWO THINGS>>I WANT TO UNPACK TWO THINGS THAT YOU INTRODUCED HERE WITH THAT YOU INTRODUCED HERE WITH THESE FOLKS HERE. THESE FOLKS HERE. ONE IS THE CHINA STORY, AND I ONE IS THE CHINA STORY, AND I WANT TO GET THAT IN A SECOND. WANT TO GET THAT IN A SECOND. BUT, MICHAEL, LET ME START WITH BUT, MICHAEL, LET ME START WITH YOU. YOU. IF THERE IS ONE RHETORICAL AREA IF THERE IS ONE RHETORICAL AREA LEFT THAT REPUBLICANS WILL LEFT THAT REPUBLICANS WILL CONTRADICT THIS PRESIDENT ON, IT CONTRADICT THIS PRESIDENT ON, IT IS APPARENTLY IT IS STILL IS APPARENTLY IT IS STILL FOREIGN POLICY. FOREIGN POLICY. HERE’S KEVIN McCARTHY, WHO IS HERE’S KEVIN McCARTHY, WHO IS BASICALLY WITH TRUMP NOW ON MOST BASICALLY WITH TRUMP NOW ON MOST THINGS. THINGS. AND HE SAID TO THE THOUSANDS OF AND HE SAID TO THE THOUSANDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE IN HONG KONG WHO YOUNG PEOPLE IN HONG KONG WHO ARE SPEAKING UP FOR HUMAN RIGHTS ARE SPEAKING UP FOR HUMAN RIGHTS AND SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THE AND SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF CHINA. COMMUNIST PARTY OF CHINA. THAT IS THE HOUSE MINORITY THAT IS THE HOUSE MINORITY LEADER OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, LEADER OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. STATES.>>SO, I MEAN — DOES THIS>>SO, I MEAN — DOES THIS MATTER THAT — MATTER THAT –>>IT DOESN’T MATTER BECAUSE>>IT DOESN’T MATTER BECAUSE FIRST OFF, IT’S BEEN A MAJORITY FIRST OFF, IT’S BEEN A MAJORITY OF THE LEADERS, NOT THE OF THE LEADERS, NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. SO WHETHER YOU HAVE LINDSAY SO WHETHER YOU HAVE LINDSAY GRAHAM OR KEVIN McCARTHY OR ANY GRAHAM OR KEVIN McCARTHY OR ANY OF THESE OTHERS AND WE LOVE THEM OF THESE OTHERS AND WE LOVE THEM TO FILL THE SPACE WITH THAT TO FILL THE SPACE WITH THAT NOISE, BUT IT MATTERS THAT THE NOISE, BUT IT MATTERS THAT THE PRESIDENT IS NOT WITH THEM ON PRESIDENT IS NOT WITH THEM ON THIS. THIS. HE’S NOT LEADING WITH THAT. HE’S NOT LEADING WITH THAT. THAT WASN’T HIS TWEET. THAT WASN’T HIS TWEET. THAT WAS NOT THE PRESIDENT’S THAT WAS NOT THE PRESIDENT’S TWEET. TWEET. IF THE PRESIDENT HAD TWEETED IF THE PRESIDENT HAD TWEETED THAT, WE’D BE IN A WHOLE THAT, WE’D BE IN A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION RIGHT DIFFERENT CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW. NOW. AND I THINK THE WORLD WOULD LOOK AND I THINK THE WORLD WOULD LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. AT THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.>>SEE, THAT SEEMS TO BE — THIS>>SEE, THAT SEEMS TO BE — THIS REPUBLICAN PARTY, WE KNOW THEY REPUBLICAN PARTY, WE KNOW THEY DON’T LIKE THE TARIFF FRONT. DON’T LIKE THE TARIFF FRONT. THEY HAVE DECIDED NOT TO SAY THEY HAVE DECIDED NOT TO SAY ANYTHING. ANYTHING. THEY DON’T LIKE HIS FOREIGN THEY DON’T LIKE HIS FOREIGN POLICY, BUT THEY DON’T KNOW HOW POLICY, BUT THEY DON’T KNOW HOW TO CRITICIZE. TO CRITICIZE.>>THERE’S A SLIGHTLY HIGHER>>THERE’S A SLIGHTLY HIGHER COMFORT LEVEL WITHIN THE GOP. COMFORT LEVEL WITHIN THE GOP. AND WE’VE SEEN McCARTHY NOT GO AND WE’VE SEEN McCARTHY NOT GO AFTER THE PRESIDENT BUT JUST AFTER THE PRESIDENT BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT DOESN’T DIRECTLY SOMETHING THAT DOESN’T DIRECTLY CONTRADICT OR PUSH BACK AGAINST CONTRADICT OR PUSH BACK AGAINST WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID. WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID. PART OF THE REASON THAT THIS PART OF THE REASON THAT THIS CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT AND CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT AND THAT REPUBLICANS ARE AT ODDS THAT REPUBLICANS ARE AT ODDS WITH THE PRESIDENT IN MANY WAY, WITH THE PRESIDENT IN MANY WAY, PARTICULARLY MEMBERS LIKE MARCO PARTICULARLY MEMBERS LIKE MARCO RUBIO, IS THAT THE ISSUE IN HONG RUBIO, IS THAT THE ISSUE IN HONG KONG IS PREDOMINANTLY ABOUT KONG IS PREDOMINANTLY ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS. HUMAN RIGHTS. THOSE ARE VERY LOW ON THE THOSE ARE VERY LOW ON THE PRIORITY LIST FOR THIS PRIORITY LIST FOR THIS PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT.>>AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM.>>AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM. I KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS I KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS PHRASE. PHRASE. WHEN I HEAR THE PHRASE AMERICAN WHEN I HEAR THE PHRASE AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM, MEANS WE ARE THE EXCEPTIONALISM, MEANS WE ARE THE ONES THAT IDENTIFY THE GOOD GUYS ONES THAT IDENTIFY THE GOOD GUYS AND PUNISH THE BAD GUYS. AND PUNISH THE BAD GUYS.>>THEY’RE NOT JUST SINGING THE>>THEY’RE NOT JUST SINGING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM IN CHINA. NATIONAL ANTHEM IN CHINA. THEY ARE SINGING SONGS FROM THEY ARE SINGING SONGS FROM HAMILTON. HAMILTON. THEY ARE SINGING “CAN YOU HEAR THEY ARE SINGING “CAN YOU HEAR THE PEOPLE SING.” THE PEOPLE SING.”>>THAT’S “LE MIS.”>>THAT’S “LE MIS.” [ LAUGHTER ] [ LAUGHTER ]>>THIS IS THE POINT WHERE THE>>THIS IS THE POINT WHERE THE REAL DANGER HERE AND THE REAL DANGER HERE AND THE PRESIDENT NOT SPEAKING UP IS PRESIDENT NOT SPEAKING UP IS WHEN THAT VACUUM IS OPEN, THEN WHEN THAT VACUUM IS OPEN, THEN THESE DEMOCRACY FORCES, THEY THESE DEMOCRACY FORCES, THEY BECOME RADICALIZED. BECOME RADICALIZED. THEY’RE WAITING FOR US TO COME THEY’RE WAITING FOR US TO COME IN AND SAY, LOOK, WE HAVE YOUR IN AND SAY, LOOK, WE HAVE YOUR BACK. BACK. YOU CAN PUSH THINGS A LITTLE BIT YOU CAN PUSH THINGS A LITTLE BIT FARTHER NOW BECAUSE WE’RE THERE. FARTHER NOW BECAUSE WE’RE THERE. IF YOU HAVE DISSIDENCE, WE’LL IF YOU HAVE DISSIDENCE, WE’LL STEP IN. STEP IN.>>DAVID, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, YOU>>DAVID, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, YOU KNOW, I DON’T THINK IT’S AN KNOW, I DON’T THINK IT’S AN ACCIDENT THAT MODY DID WHAT HE ACCIDENT THAT MODY DID WHAT HE DID IN INDIA WITH KASHMIR. DID IN INDIA WITH KASHMIR. I DON’T THINK IT’S AN ACCIDENT I DON’T THINK IT’S AN ACCIDENT WHAT WE’VE SEEN WITH JAPAN AND WHAT WE’VE SEEN WITH JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA THAT WITHOUT AN SOUTH KOREA THAT WITHOUT AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT TO BE THERE AMERICAN PRESIDENT TO BE THERE TO SORT OF TO LEAN ON, I’M TO SORT OF TO LEAN ON, I’M THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS, YOU THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS, YOU KNOW, MODY, I’M IN THE MIDDLE OF KNOW, MODY, I’M IN THE MIDDLE OF CHINA, GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN, CHINA, GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON THERE, I DON’T NEED THIS NOW, THERE, I DON’T NEED THIS NOW, HOW MUCH OF THIS DO YOU THINK IS HOW MUCH OF THIS DO YOU THINK IS HAPPENING BECAUSE WE JUST WALKED HAPPENING BECAUSE WE JUST WALKED AWAY FOR NOW? AWAY FOR NOW?>>WHEN AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT IS>>WHEN AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT IS NOT PREPARED TO BE A NOT PREPARED TO BE A FORWARD-LEANING GLOBAL LEADER, FORWARD-LEANING GLOBAL LEADER, MISCHIEF HAPPENS. MISCHIEF HAPPENS. IN AN AMERICA FIRST WORLD WHERE IN AN AMERICA FIRST WORLD WHERE THE ORGANIZING PRINCIPLE OF THE ORGANIZING PRINCIPLE OF FOREIGN POLICY IS JUST FOREIGN POLICY IS JUST SELFISHNESS, INDIA IS GOING TO SELFISHNESS, INDIA IS GOING TO DECIDE, MODY IS GOING TO DECIDE DECIDE, MODY IS GOING TO DECIDE INDIA FIRST. INDIA FIRST. HE’S GOING TO GO AFTER HIS HE’S GOING TO GO AFTER HIS TRADITIONAL VIEW THAT KASHMIR TRADITIONAL VIEW THAT KASHMIR MUST BE SUPPRESSED. MUST BE SUPPRESSED. YOU ARE GOING TO FIND THAT ALL YOU ARE GOING TO FIND THAT ALL OVER THE WORLD PEOPLE WILL PUT OVER THE WORLD PEOPLE WILL PUT THEIR OWN SMALL NATIONAL THEIR OWN SMALL NATIONAL INTERESTS FIRST, AND DONALD INTERESTS FIRST, AND DONALD TRUMP SIMPLY ISN’T A CREDIBLE TRUMP SIMPLY ISN’T A CREDIBLE ARBITER. ARBITER. IN THE CASE OF INDIA AND ITS IN THE CASE OF INDIA AND ITS MOVES IN KASHMIR, I HAVE A MOVES IN KASHMIR, I HAVE A PARTICULAR WORRY THAT DONALD PARTICULAR WORRY THAT DONALD TRUMP HELPED GET THIS GOING WITH TRUMP HELPED GET THIS GOING WITH SOME VERY AND PRUDENT SOME VERY AND PRUDENT OFF-THE-CUFF COMMENTS DURING THE OFF-THE-CUFF COMMENTS DURING THE VISIT OF THE PAKISTANI PRIME VISIT OF THE PAKISTANI PRIME MINISTER WHO KIND OF MINISTER WHO KIND OF GRATUITOUSLY THREW OUT THE IDEA GRATUITOUSLY THREW OUT THE IDEA THAT WE’D BE A MODERATOR. THAT WE’D BE A MODERATOR. BUT THE BASIC POINT THAT YOU BUT THE BASIC POINT THAT YOU MAKE THAT WHEN WE DON’T HAVE MAKE THAT WHEN WE DON’T HAVE STRONG AMERICAN LEADERSHIP, STRONG AMERICAN LEADERSHIP, JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA FALL INTO JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA FALL INTO THEIR TRADITIONAL NATIONAL THEIR TRADITIONAL NATIONAL RIVALRY, AND THERE’S NO AMERICA RIVALRY, AND THERE’S NO AMERICA THAT’S A CREDIBLE PEACEKEEPER, THAT’S A CREDIBLE PEACEKEEPER, IF YOU WILL, NOT MILITARILY BUT IF YOU WILL, NOT MILITARILY BUT DIPLOMATICALLY. DIPLOMATICALLY.>>ALL RIGHT.>>ALL RIGHT. I’M GOING TO DIG DEEPER IN THIS I’M GOING TO DIG DEEPER IN THIS CONVERSATION ON THE POLITICAL CONVERSATION ON THE POLITICAL SIDE OF THINGS WITH BEN RHODES, SIDE OF THINGS WITH BEN RHODES, LIKE HOW DID THE DEMOCRATS DO LIKE HOW DID THE DEMOCRATS DO THIS. THIS. BETSY, IS IT WORTH THEM MAKING BETSY, IS IT WORTH THEM MAKING THIS CASE OR NOT? THIS CASE OR NOT? BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE, NO, NO, NO, FOCUS PEOPLE LIKE, NO, NO, NO, FOCUS ON HOME, FOCUS DOMESTIC. ON HOME, FOCUS DOMESTIC. MAYBE THEY DON’T WANT AMERICA MAYBE THEY DON’T WANT AMERICA FIRST, BUT THEY WANT YOUR EYE ON FIRST, BUT THEY WANT YOUR EYE ON THE DOMESTIC BALL. THE DOMESTIC BALL.>>THE REALITY IS THAT MOST>>THE REALITY IS THAT MOST SWING VOTERS ARE NOT GOING TO SWING VOTERS ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE BASED ON WHAT’S HAPPENING VOTE BASED ON WHAT’S HAPPENING IN HONG KONG. IN HONG KONG. THEY AREN’T REALLY GOING TO VOTE THEY AREN’T REALLY GOING TO VOTE BASED ON THE IRAN DEAL. BASED ON THE IRAN DEAL. BUT WHAT THIS PROVIDES AS AN BUT WHAT THIS PROVIDES AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE DEMOCRATIC OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES IS A MOMENT TO BE CANDIDATES IS A MOMENT TO BE PART OF THIS NATIONAL PART OF THIS NATIONAL CONVERSATION AND TO PRESENT MORE CONVERSATION AND TO PRESENT MORE OF A CONTRAST WITH THE OF A CONTRAST WITH THE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. SO EVEN THOUGH THEY PROBABLY SO EVEN THOUGH THEY PROBABLY AREN’T GOING TO SEE THEIR POLL AREN’T GOING TO SEE THEIR POLL NUMBERS CHANGE IN SOUTH CAROLINA NUMBERS CHANGE IN SOUTH CAROLINA OR IOWA BASED ON THE MESSAGES OR IOWA BASED ON THE MESSAGES AND THE TWEETS THAT THEY PUT OUT AND THE TWEETS THAT THEY PUT OUT ABOUT HONG KONG, WHAT THEY CAN ABOUT HONG KONG, WHAT THEY CAN DO IS PAINT A MORE STARK PICTURE DO IS PAINT A MORE STARK PICTURE OF HOW THE UNITED STATES CAN OF HOW THE UNITED STATES CAN WORK DIFFERENTLY UNDER THEIR WORK DIFFERENTLY UNDER THEIR LEADERSHIP. LEADERSHIP.>>ALL RIGHT.>>ALL RIGHT. BUT, JASON, I AM CURIOUS HOW BUT, JASON, I AM CURIOUS HOW DO — I THINK THIS CHINA ISSUE DO — I THINK THIS CHINA ISSUE IS COMPLICATED FOR DEMOCRATS. IS COMPLICATED FOR DEMOCRATS. THEY DON’T KNOW HOW TO BASICALLY THEY DON’T KNOW HOW TO BASICALLY SAY HE’S MISMANAGING IT. SAY HE’S MISMANAGING IT. EVEN THOUGH WE AGREE WE GOT TO EVEN THOUGH WE AGREE WE GOT TO GET TOUGH ON CHINA. GET TOUGH ON CHINA. LIKE, OKAY. LIKE, OKAY. WELL, YOU’RE AT LEAST ON THE WELL, YOU’RE AT LEAST ON THE SAME SIDE. SAME SIDE. LIKE, IT’S HARD. LIKE, IT’S HARD.>>THE PEOPLE WHO WEREN’T>>THE PEOPLE WHO WEREN’T WORKING AT THE CHEVY CRUISE WORKING AT THE CHEVY CRUISE STATION IN YOUNGSTOWN OHIO DON’T STATION IN YOUNGSTOWN OHIO DON’T GET IT. GET IT. MAYOR PETE OR JOE BIDEN WOULD MAYOR PETE OR JOE BIDEN WOULD LOVE THIS DEBATE. LOVE THIS DEBATE. THEY ARE THE TWO WHO CAN STEP THEY ARE THE TWO WHO CAN STEP FORWARD AND, LOOK, I HAVE FORWARD AND, LOOK, I HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA, I HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA, I HAVE BEEN VICE PRESIDENT, I HAVE BEEN VICE PRESIDENT, I HAVE SERVED OVERSEAS, THIS IS A HOT SERVED OVERSEAS, THIS IS A HOT POTATO FOR THE REST OF THE POTATO FOR THE REST OF THE DEMOCRATS. DEMOCRATS. GIVEN SOME OF THEIR OWN GIVEN SOME OF THEIR OWN WEAKNESSES, I DON’T THINK THEY’D WEAKNESSES, I DON’T THINK THEY’D WANT TO TOUCH IT. WANT TO TOUCH IT.>>THE OTHER POINT OF ENTRY FOR>>THE OTHER POINT OF ENTRY FOR DEMOCRATS SAY THAT OUR PARTY DEMOCRATS SAY THAT OUR PARTY TRADITIONICALLY AGREES, AND WHEN TRADITIONICALLY AGREES, AND WHEN IT COMES TO HUMAN RIGHTS STUFF, IT COMES TO HUMAN RIGHTS STUFF, THEY CAN ACTUALLY POSITION THEY CAN ACTUALLY POSITION THEMSELVES AS TOUGHER ON CHINA THEMSELVES AS TOUGHER ON CHINA THAN TRUMP. THAN TRUMP. IT’S THE ONLY SECTOR OF THE IT’S THE ONLY SECTOR OF THE CHINA CONVERSATION. CHINA CONVERSATION.>>TO GO WITH HUMAN RIKTS>>TO GO WITH HUMAN RIKTS RIGHTS. RIGHTS.>>I THINK YOU LAID IT OUT JUST>>I THINK YOU LAID IT OUT JUST NOW. NOW. WE SUPPORT THIS EFFORT TO REIGN WE SUPPORT THIS EFFORT TO REIGN CHINA IN. CHINA IN. BUT HERE IS THE LIMIT OF THAT. BUT HERE IS THE LIMIT OF THAT. AND A LACK OF LEADERSHIP BEYOND AND A LACK OF LEADERSHIP BEYOND THAT BY THIS PRESIDENT IS THAT BY THIS PRESIDENT IS CAUSING THESE PARTICULAR CAUSING THESE PARTICULAR PROBLEMS. PROBLEMS. SO THEY CAN IDENTIFY THAT THEY SO THEY CAN IDENTIFY THAT THEY JUST NEED TO STEP INTO THE GAME. JUST NEED TO STEP INTO THE GAME.>>DAVID, I AM GOING TO ASK YOU>>DAVID, I AM GOING TO ASK YOU THE QUESTION THAT YOU MAY FEEL THE QUESTION THAT YOU MAY FEEL IS IMPOSSIBLE TO ANSWER, BUT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO ANSWER, BUT WHERE DOES HONG KONG GO NEXT? WHERE DOES HONG KONG GO NEXT?>>WELL, SO, THERE HAVE BEEN>>WELL, SO, THERE HAVE BEEN SIGNS THAT THE PROTESTERS SIGNS THAT THE PROTESTERS REALIZE THAT THEY MAY HAVE GONE REALIZE THAT THEY MAY HAVE GONE TOO FAR, MAY BE ALIENATING TOO FAR, MAY BE ALIENATING SUPPORT IN HONG KONG BY SOME SUPPORT IN HONG KONG BY SOME RECENT ACTIONS. RECENT ACTIONS. I THINK CHINA IS GOING TO BE I THINK CHINA IS GOING TO BE VERY RELUCTANT TO SEND IN VERY RELUCTANT TO SEND IN TROOPS, THE TROOPS HAVE BEEN TROOPS, THE TROOPS HAVE BEEN MASSING JUST OVER THE BORDER. MASSING JUST OVER THE BORDER. BUT I’VE BEEN TALKING HERE AT A BUT I’VE BEEN TALKING HERE AT A CONFERENCE IN LA JOLLA, CONFERENCE IN LA JOLLA, CALIFORNIA, WITH EXPERTS WHO CALIFORNIA, WITH EXPERTS WHO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT CHINA AND KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT CHINA AND HONG KONG, AND THEY SAY CHINA IS HONG KONG, AND THEY SAY CHINA IS GOING TO BE VERY CAREFUL. GOING TO BE VERY CAREFUL. THE ONE POINT I’D MAKE ABOUT THE ONE POINT I’D MAKE ABOUT TRUMP’S STATEMENTS, THERE’S A TRUMP’S STATEMENTS, THERE’S A MORAL HAZARD PROBLEM HERE. MORAL HAZARD PROBLEM HERE. WE DON’T WANT TO IMPLY TO THOSE WE DON’T WANT TO IMPLY TO THOSE PROTESTERS IN THE STREETS THAT PROTESTERS IN THE STREETS THAT WE’LL COME IN TO HELP THEM IF WE’LL COME IN TO HELP THEM IF THE TROOPS COME OUT BECAUSE THE TROOPS COME OUT BECAUSE THAT’S CLEARLY NOT TRUE. THAT’S CLEARLY NOT TRUE. BUT WE DO WANT TO SAY THAT THE BUT WE DO WANT TO SAY THAT THE WORLD IS WATCHING THAT THESE WORLD IS WATCHING THAT THESE DISPUTES SHOULD BE SOLVED DISPUTES SHOULD BE SOLVED WITHOUT RESORT TO FORCE. WITHOUT RESORT TO FORCE. THAT’S A STANDARD LINE FOR AN THAT’S A STANDARD LINE FOR AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT. AMERICAN PRESIDENT. AND I HONESTLY HAVE BEEN SHOCKED AND I HONESTLY HAVE BEEN SHOCKED THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS NOT THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS NOT SAID THAT BASIC THING. SAID THAT BASIC THING. HE’S ALMOST SEEMED TO BE HE’S ALMOST SEEMED TO BE INVITING THEM TO COME IN AND INVITING THEM TO COME IN AND CRACK DOWN. CRACK DOWN. HE NEEDS TO SAY THE WORLD IS HE NEEDS TO SAY THE WORLD IS WATCHING. WATCHING. WE EXPECT THIS TO BE RESOLVED WE EXPECT THIS TO BE RESOLVED WITHOUT VIOLENCE, AND, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT VIOLENCE, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THOSE STUDENTS THAT ARE I THINK THOSE STUDENTS THAT ARE SINGING THE AMERICAN SONGS, THAT SINGING THE AMERICAN SONGS, THAT WILL REALLY RESONATE IN THE WILL REALLY RESONATE IN THE CAMPAIGN IF TRUMP DOESN’T DO CAMPAIGN IF TRUMP DOESN’T DO SOMETHING. SOMETHING.>>BOY, IT’S INTERESTING YOU SAY>>BOY, IT’S INTERESTING YOU SAY THAT. THAT. IT DOES FEEL ALMOST AS IF HE IT DOES FEEL ALMOST AS IF HE WANTS TO BAIT THE CHINESE TO WANTS TO BAIT THE CHINESE TO OVERSTEP. OVERSTEP. ALL RIGHT, DAVID IGNATIUS, YOU

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NEARLY EVERY ORGANIZATION, NEARLY EVERY ORGANIZATION, POLITICAL AND PROFESSIONAL, THAT POLITICAL AND PROFESSIONAL, THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS EVER BEEN DONALD TRUMP HAS EVER BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH, IS UNDER ASSOCIATED WITH, IS UNDER INVESTIGATION TODAY. INVESTIGATION TODAY. THE LATEST TRUMP ENTITY TO BE THE LATEST TRUMP ENTITY TO BE SERVED WITH A SUBPOENA, THE SERVED WITH A SUBPOENA, THE PRESIDENT’S INAUGURAL COMMITTEE. PRESIDENT’S INAUGURAL COMMITTEE. “WASHINGTON POST” REPORTS, “A “WASHINGTON POST” REPORTS, “A WIDE-RANGING SUBPOENA SERVED ON WIDE-RANGING SUBPOENA SERVED ON THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE MONDAY THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE MONDAY SEEKS AN ARRAY OF DOCUMENTS SEEKS AN ARRAY OF DOCUMENTS INCLUDING ALL INFORMATION INCLUDING ALL INFORMATION RELATED TO THE INAUGURAL DONORS, RELATED TO THE INAUGURAL DONORS, VENDORS, CONTRACTORS, BANK VENDORS, CONTRACTORS, BANK ACCOUNTS OF THE INAUGURAL ACCOUNTS OF THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE, AND ANY INFORMATION COMMITTEE, AND ANY INFORMATION RELATED TO FOREIGN CONTRIBUTORS RELATED TO FOREIGN CONTRIBUTORS TO THE COMMITTEE.” TO THE COMMITTEE.” THAT’S ACCORDING TO A COPY THAT’S ACCORDING TO A COPY REVIEWED BY THE “POST.” REVIEWED BY THE “POST.” “THE NEW YORK TIMES” WRITES, A “THE NEW YORK TIMES” WRITES, A SUBPOENA FOR DOCUMENTS FROM SUBPOENA FOR DOCUMENTS FROM FEDERAL PROSECUTORS OUT OF THE FEDERAL PROSECUTORS OUT OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, “THEY SHOW THAT THE “THEY SHOW THAT THE INVESTIGATION SURROUNDING MR. INVESTIGATION SURROUNDING MR. TRUMP, ONE CENTERED ON POTENTIAL TRUMP, ONE CENTERED ON POTENTIAL TIES TO RUSSIA DURING THE 2016 TIES TO RUSSIA DURING THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, HAVE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, HAVE SPREAD FAR BEYOND THE SPECIAL SPREAD FAR BEYOND THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE TO INCLUDE COUNSEL’S OFFICE TO INCLUDE VIRTUALLY ALL ASPECTS OF HIS VIRTUALLY ALL ASPECTS OF HIS ADULT LIFE. ADULT LIFE. HIS BUSINESS. HIS BUSINESS. HIS CAMPAIGN. HIS CAMPAIGN. HIS INAUGURATION. HIS INAUGURATION. AND HIS PRESIDENCY. AND HIS PRESIDENCY. AND WHILE THE SUBPOENA COMES AND WHILE THE SUBPOENA COMES FROM THE SAME PROSECUTORS WHO FROM THE SAME PROSECUTORS WHO CHARGED MICHAEL COHEN AND CHARGED MICHAEL COHEN AND IMPLICATED DONALD TRUMP IN AN IMPLICATED DONALD TRUMP IN AN ILLEGAL HUSH MONEY SCHEME BEFORE ILLEGAL HUSH MONEY SCHEME BEFORE THE ELECTION, THERE IS AN THE ELECTION, THERE IS AN OVERLAP WITH WHAT WE KNOW THE OVERLAP WITH WHAT WE KNOW THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND FBI HAVE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND FBI HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN. BEEN INTERESTED IN. A SUSPICIOUS NUMBER OF RUSSIANS A SUSPICIOUS NUMBER OF RUSSIANS AND PRO-RUSSIAN UKRAINIANS AT AND PRO-RUSSIAN UKRAINIANS AT THE INAUGURATION. THE INAUGURATION. THE PICTURE OF GRAVE LEGAL PERIL THE PICTURE OF GRAVE LEGAL PERIL FOR THE PRESIDENT COMING INTO FOR THE PRESIDENT COMING INTO FOCUS AS EVEN HIS CLOSEST FOCUS AS EVEN HIS CLOSEST ALLIES, PEOPLE LIKE CHRIS ALLIES, PEOPLE LIKE CHRIS CHRISTIE, HAVE PREDICTED. CHRISTIE, HAVE PREDICTED.>>I’VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THAT>>I’VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS THE BIGGER PROBLEM FOR TWO WAS THE BIGGER PROBLEM FOR TWO REASONS. REASONS. ONE, BECAUSE THE SOUTHERN ONE, BECAUSE THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK HAS NO DISTRICT OF NEW YORK HAS NO RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR PURVIEW. RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR PURVIEW. ALL RIGHT, BOB MUELLER HAS A ALL RIGHT, BOB MUELLER HAS A TASK, IT’S RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE TASK, IT’S RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE AND POTENTIAL COLLUSION IN THE AND POTENTIAL COLLUSION IN THE 2016 ELECTION. 2016 ELECTION. SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, WHATEVER THE HECK YOU WANT, AND WHATEVER THE HECK YOU WANT, AND SO — SO –>>PARTICULARLY THE –>>PARTICULARLY THE –>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>THAT’S RIGHT. WITHOUT MICHAEL COHEN, THE WITHOUT MICHAEL COHEN, THE PRESIDENT’S FORMER LAWYER, AS A PRESIDENT’S FORMER LAWYER, AS A TOUR GUIDE, THAT MEANS YOU COULD TOUR GUIDE, THAT MEANS YOU COULD GO ANYWHERE. GO ANYWHERE.>>IF YOU COMMIT CRIMES, THAT>>IF YOU COMMIT CRIMES, THAT IS. IS. THAT’S WHERE WE START TODAY WITH THAT’S WHERE WE START TODAY WITH SOME OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND SOME OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. FRIENDS. PHIL RUCKER, WHITE HOUSE BUREAU PHIL RUCKER, WHITE HOUSE BUREAU CHIEF FOR THE “WASHINGTON POST.” CHIEF FOR THE “WASHINGTON POST.” FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY HARRY FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY HARRY LITMAN. LITMAN. HERE WITH US AT THE TABLE, ELISE HERE WITH US AT THE TABLE, ELISE JORDAN, FORMER AIDE IN THE JORDAN, FORMER AIDE IN THE GEORGE W. BUSH WHITE HOUSE AND GEORGE W. BUSH WHITE HOUSE AND STATE DEPARTMENT. STATE DEPARTMENT. CO-HOST OF THE FABULOUS PODCAST CO-HOST OF THE FABULOUS PODCAST “WORDS MATTER” AND FRIEND OF THE “WORDS MATTER” AND FRIEND OF THE SHOW, DONNY DEUTSCH. SHOW, DONNY DEUTSCH. DONNY, I GOT TO START WITH YOU, DONNY, I GOT TO START WITH YOU, CHRIS CHRISTIE IS SAYING TWO CHRIS CHRISTIE IS SAYING TWO MONTHS LATE WHAERR WHAT YOU SAID MONTHS LATE WHAERR WHAT YOU SAID THIS TABLE. THIS TABLE.>>THE MUELLER THING IS GOING TO>>THE MUELLER THING IS GOING TO BE FIS. BE FIS. I DON’T THINK IT’S GOING TO TAKE I DON’T THINK IT’S GOING TO TAKE US TO TRUMP LEAVING OFFICE. US TO TRUMP LEAVING OFFICE.>>WE DON’T KNOW.>>WE DON’T KNOW.>>WE DON’T KNOW.>>WE DON’T KNOW. WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THAT THE WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK THAT ACTUALLY CHRISTIE CALLS THE THAT ACTUALLY CHRISTIE CALLS THE SOVEREIGN DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY SOVEREIGN DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY REALLY COOPED OF ONOPERATE — REALLY COOPED OF ONOPERATE –>>I THINK THAT’S A JERSEY>>I THINK THAT’S A JERSEY THING. THING. I THINK THAT’S A — THE U.S. I THINK THAT’S A — THE U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE TURF THING. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE TURF THING.>>THEY’LL TAKE APART THE TRUMP>>THEY’LL TAKE APART THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. ORGANIZATION. THERE’S SOMETHING CALLED RICO, THERE’S SOMETHING CALLED RICO, RACKETEERING INFLUENCE RACKETEERING INFLUENCE CORRUPTION ORGANIZATION ACT. CORRUPTION ORGANIZATION ACT. THEY BASEICALLY BROUGHT IN MOB THEY BASEICALLY BROUGHT IN MOB BOSSES. BOSSES. ANY ORGANIZATION, IF YOU’RE A ANY ORGANIZATION, IF YOU’RE A MOB BOSS, IF ANYBODY IS KILLED MOB BOSS, IF ANYBODY IS KILLED IN YOUR ORGANIZATION, AIDED IT, IN YOUR ORGANIZATION, AIDED IT, DIRECTED IT, YOU’RE FOUND GUILTY DIRECTED IT, YOU’RE FOUND GUILTY OF THAT CRIME. OF THAT CRIME. THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION HAS THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION HAS ALWAYS BEEN A DIRTY ALWAYS BEEN A DIRTY ORGANIZATION, EVERY WHICH WAY. ORGANIZATION, EVERY WHICH WAY. YOU’RE SEEING THE INAUGURAL YOU’RE SEEING THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE, SEEING THE ATTORNEY COMMITTEE, SEEING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL GOING AFTER THE GENERAL GOING AFTER THE CHARITIES. CHARITIES. THIS IS WHERE IT ENDS FOR THIS THIS IS WHERE IT ENDS FOR THIS PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. IT IS A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE AND IT IS A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE AND THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT WILL RICO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT WILL RICO IT. IT. WE HAVEN’T HEARD THAT TERM A WE HAVEN’T HEARD THAT TERM A LOT, ESPECIALLY WITH POLITICS. LOT, ESPECIALLY WITH POLITICS. WAIT. WAIT.>>HARRY LITMAN, I GOT TO JUMP>>HARRY LITMAN, I GOT TO JUMP TO YOU. TO YOU. I REMEMBER I WORKED IN THE WHITE I REMEMBER I WORKED IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHEN I FELT OUT OF MY HOUSE WHEN I FELT OUT OF MY DEPTHS, I READ BROOKOOKS LIKE “R DEPTHS, I READ BROOKOOKS LIKE “R TO DAMASCUS.” TO DAMASCUS.” THIS IS THE ONLY WHITE HOUSE THIS IS THE ONLY WHITE HOUSE WHERE YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR WHERE YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK ABOUT WHAT THE GOCHT HOMEWORK ABOUT WHAT THE GOCHT CAN DO BY WATCHING “GOOD FELLAS” CAN DO BY WATCHING “GOOD FELLAS” OVER AND OVER AGAIN. OVER AND OVER AGAIN.>>IT’S REALLY TRUE.>>IT’S REALLY TRUE. SOMETIMES MORE LIKE MARRIED TO SOMETIMES MORE LIKE MARRIED TO THE MOB. THE MOB. THE KIND OF VERSION OF IT. THE KIND OF VERSION OF IT. LOOK, WE HAVE NOW — THIS IS A LOOK, WE HAVE NOW — THIS IS A VERY BROAD-RANGING SUBPOENA AND VERY BROAD-RANGING SUBPOENA AND A WHOLE SMORGUS BOARD OF A WHOLE SMORGUS BOARD OF DIFFERENT CRIMES BOUGHT IT’S DIFFERENT CRIMES BOUGHT IT’S TRUE WE HAVE THE LATTICEWORK NOW TRUE WE HAVE THE LATTICEWORK NOW COMBINING ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT COMBINING ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT NAMES AND EPISODES AND INCIDENTS NAMES AND EPISODES AND INCIDENTS WE’VE HEARD BEFORE THAT MAY LEAD WE’VE HEARD BEFORE THAT MAY LEAD TO UKRAINE, TO QATAR, TO ALL — TO UKRAINE, TO QATAR, TO ALL — IT’S A VERY RICH SERIES OF IT’S A VERY RICH SERIES OF LEADS. LEADS. AND THE FOUNTAINHEAD OF IT ALL, AND THE FOUNTAINHEAD OF IT ALL, MICHAEL COHEN. MICHAEL COHEN. HE IS THE ONE WHO’S BEEN THERE HE IS THE ONE WHO’S BEEN THERE FOR THE TEN YEARS. FOR THE TEN YEARS. IT’S HIS AND RICK GATES’ IT’S HIS AND RICK GATES’ COOPERATION THAT GAVE RISE TO COOPERATION THAT GAVE RISE TO THIS PARTICULAR INVESTIGATION, THIS PARTICULAR INVESTIGATION, AND HE AND THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT AND HE AND THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ARE BASICALLY NOT OF NEW YORK ARE BASICALLY NOT GOING TO STOP UNTIL EVERYTHING GOING TO STOP UNTIL EVERYTHING HAS BEEN UNEARTHED. HAS BEEN UNEARTHED. NOT JUST AS CANDIDATE, NOT JUST NOT JUST AS CANDIDATE, NOT JUST AS NOMINEE, BUT DATING BACK AS NOMINEE, BUT DATING BACK SEVERAL YEARS TO THE WILD AND SEVERAL YEARS TO THE WILD AND WOOLLY TIMES. WOOLLY TIMES. JUST TODAY WE FIND OUT THE TRUMP JUST TODAY WE FIND OUT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN ORGANIZATION OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN SUBPOENAED — COME IN TO TALK TO SUBPOENAED — COME IN TO TALK TO SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK PROSECUTORS. PROSECUTORS. THIS IS A LONG AND COMPLICATED THIS IS A LONG AND COMPLICATED TRAIL. TRAIL.>>PHIL RUCKER, SEE, I’M GOING>>PHIL RUCKER, SEE, I’M GOING TO HAVE DONNY TALK ABOUT WHAT TO HAVE DONNY TALK ABOUT WHAT CHRIS CHRISTIE DESCRIBES AS I’M CHRIS CHRISTIE DESCRIBES AS I’M THINKING DISNEYLAND AND IT’S A THINKING DISNEYLAND AND IT’S A SMALL WORLD. SMALL WORLD. MICHAEL COHEN AS THE TOUR GUIDE. MICHAEL COHEN AS THE TOUR GUIDE. I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT DONALD I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S RELATIONSHIP WITH MIKE B TRUMP’S RELATIONSHIP WITH MIKE B L L COHEN. COHEN. WHAT’S PUBLIC FACING NOW ARE THE WHAT’S PUBLIC FACING NOW ARE THE TWEETS WHERE HE ATTACKS HIM, TWEETS WHERE HE ATTACKS HIM, RUDY GOING OUT AND CALLING HIM A RUDY GOING OUT AND CALLING HIM A LIAR. LIAR. CHRIS CHRISTIE WOULDN’T DENY CHRIS CHRISTIE WOULDN’T DENY THAT THE PRESIDENT AT LEAST AT THAT THE PRESIDENT AT LEAST AT SOME POINT DESIRED, KEEPING SOME POINT DESIRED, KEEPING MICHAEL COHEN VERY CLOSE, ALMOST MICHAEL COHEN VERY CLOSE, ALMOST AS CLOSE AS, YOU KNOW, ON THE AS CLOSE AS, YOU KNOW, ON THE 18-ACRE COMPLEX. 18-ACRE COMPLEX. HE WOULDN’T DENY THAT THAT WAS A HE WOULDN’T DENY THAT THAT WAS A NOTION THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD. NOTION THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD. AND WHEN COHEN’S OFFICE WAS AND WHEN COHEN’S OFFICE WAS RAIDED, I’LL NEVER FORGET RAIDED, I’LL NEVER FORGET BECAUSE IT WAS SO EERIE SEEING BECAUSE IT WAS SO EERIE SEEING HIM SITTING IN THE ROOSEVELT HIM SITTING IN THE ROOSEVELT ROOM SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH ROOM SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH THE COUNTRY’S NATIONAL SECURITY THE COUNTRY’S NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS DESCRIBING A RAIDS ON OFFICIALS DESCRIBING A RAIDS ON HIS FIXER’S OFFICE AS HAPPEN AAN HIS FIXER’S OFFICE AS HAPPEN AAN ON THE NATION. ON THE NATION. TALK ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S TALK ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S SHIFTING STRANGING STORIES, SHIFTING STRANGING STORIES, VIS-A-VIS WHAT MICHAEL COHEN DID VIS-A-VIS WHAT MICHAEL COHEN DID FOR HIM. FOR HIM. AND WHAT MICHAEL COHEN MIGHT BE AND WHAT MICHAEL COHEN MIGHT BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT. ABLE TO TALK ABOUT. NOW THAT HE WORKS FOR THE FEDS. NOW THAT HE WORKS FOR THE FEDS.>>THAT LAST QUESTION, NICOLLE,>>THAT LAST QUESTION, NICOLLE, WHAT CAN HE TALK ABOUT? WHAT CAN HE TALK ABOUT? THE ANSWER IS A WHOELTLE LOT. THE ANSWER IS A WHOELTLE LOT. MICHAEL COHEN WORKED FOR MR. MICHAEL COHEN WORKED FOR MR. TRUMP AS A BUSINESSMAN FOR A TRUMP AS A BUSINESSMAN FOR A FULL DECADE. FULL DECADE. HE WAS IN THE ORBIT. HE WAS IN THE ORBIT. HE WAS HIS LAWYER. HE WAS HIS LAWYER. HE WAS HIS FIXER. HE WAS HIS FIXER. HE WAS HIS FRIEND. HE WAS HIS FRIEND. HE WAS HIS CONFIDANT. HE WAS HIS CONFIDANT. HE WAS HIS DEFENDER. HE WAS HIS DEFENDER. ALSO A KEY POLITICAL ADVISER IN ALSO A KEY POLITICAL ADVISER IN THE RUN-UP TO THE PRESIDENTIAL THE RUN-UP TO THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. CAMPAIGN. HE WAS IN THE ROOM. HE WAS IN THE ROOM. HE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON. HE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON. HE KNEW THE PRESIDENT’S, YOU HE KNEW THE PRESIDENT’S, YOU KNOW, HOW HE CONDUCTED BUSINESS. KNOW, HOW HE CONDUCTED BUSINESS. HE KNEW WHERE THE PRESIDENT HE KNEW WHERE THE PRESIDENT TRIED TO CUT CORNERS. TRIED TO CUT CORNERS. AND HE WAS LEFT OUT WHEN DONALD AND HE WAS LEFT OUT WHEN DONALD TRUMP MOVED TO WASHINGTON. TRUMP MOVED TO WASHINGTON. COHEN HAD, YOU KNOW, DESIGNS ON COHEN HAD, YOU KNOW, DESIGNS ON A BIG OFFICE IN THE WHITE HOUSE A BIG OFFICE IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THOUGHT HE COULD BE WHITE AND THOUGHT HE COULD BE WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL, THOUGHT HE MIGHT HOUSE COUNSEL, THOUGHT HE MIGHT EVEN BE WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF EVEN BE WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF OR AT LEAST GET ABOARD THE STAFF OR AT LEAST GET ABOARD THE TRUMP TRAIN AND BE ALONG FOR THE TRUMP TRAIN AND BE ALONG FOR THE RIDE, BUT HE WAS NOT GIVEN THAT RIDE, BUT HE WAS NOT GIVEN THAT OPPORTUNITY. OPPORTUNITY. HE WAS NOT GIVEN THE JOB BY THE HE WAS NOT GIVEN THE JOB BY THE THEN-PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD THEN-PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP AND THAT’S WHEN THE TRUMP AND THAT’S WHEN THE RELATIONSHIP BEGAN TO FRAY. RELATIONSHIP BEGAN TO FRAY. AND COHEN CLEARLY NOW DOES NOT AND COHEN CLEARLY NOW DOES NOT FEEL ANY LOYALTY TO THE FEEL ANY LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. HE’S COOPERATING WITH THESE HE’S COOPERATING WITH THESE INVESTIGATIONS. INVESTIGATIONS. AND THE PRESIDENT IN TURN IS, AND THE PRESIDENT IN TURN IS, YOU KNOW, PUBLICLY ADMONISHING YOU KNOW, PUBLICLY ADMONISHING HIM. HIM. BUT THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO IS VERY BUT THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO IS VERY CLOSE AND VERY INTIMATE IN THE CLOSE AND VERY INTIMATE IN THE TRUMP WORLD FOR YEARS BEFORE THE TRUMP WORLD FOR YEARS BEFORE THE PRESIDENCY. PRESIDENCY.>>AND ELISE, HE’S ADMONISHING>>AND ELISE, HE’S ADMONISHING HIM FOR DISLOYALTY. HIM FOR DISLOYALTY. NOT FOR ANY OF HIS CONDUCT AS A NOT FOR ANY OF HIS CONDUCT AS A FIXER BECAUSE I THINK AS THE FIXER BECAUSE I THINK AS THE SENTENCING DOCUMENTS FROM THE SENTENCING DOCUMENTS FROM THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT SHOW, IT WAS A SOUTHERN DISTRICT SHOW, IT WAS A SCHEME DIRECTED BY THE SCHEME DIRECTED BY THE PRESIDENT, BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU PRESIDENT, BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE THROUGH LINE. ABOUT THE THROUGH LINE. THE THROUGH LINE THAT RUNS THE THROUGH LINE THAT RUNS THRUST THE SUBPOENA FOR THE THRUST THE SUBPOENA FOR THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE, THROUGH THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE, THROUGH THE INVESTIGATION, WHAT WE KNOW INVESTIGATION, WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE TRUMP ORG, THROUGH THE ABOUT THE TRUMP ORG, THROUGH THE MUELLER PROBE, THROUGH THE FBI MUELLER PROBE, THROUGH THE FBI COUNTERINTELLIGENCE COUNTERINTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATION INTO DONALD TRUMP, INVESTIGATION INTO DONALD TRUMP, IS RUSSIA. IS RUSSIA.>>AND IT’S A FOREIGN INTEREST.>>AND IT’S A FOREIGN INTEREST. AND THE BIG QUESTION FOR ME, FAR AND THE BIG QUESTION FOR ME, FAR BIGGER THAN WHATEVER THE MUELLER BIGGER THAN WHATEVER THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION FINDS OUT, HAS INVESTIGATION FINDS OUT, HAS DONALD TRUMP BEEN ACTING IN THE DONALD TRUMP BEEN ACTING IN THE SERVICE OF THE NATIONAL SERVICE OF THE NATIONAL INTERESTS OR OF A FOREIGN INTERESTS OR OF A FOREIGN INTEREST? INTEREST? THAT’S WHAT I HOPE THAT WE’RE THAT’S WHAT I HOPE THAT WE’RE GOING TO FIND OUT BECAUSE THERE GOING TO FIND OUT BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY THROUGH LINES ARE TOO MANY THROUGH LINES STARTING FROM THE REPUBLICAN STARTING FROM THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION IN CLEVELAND NATIONAL CONVENTION IN CLEVELAND BACK IN 2016, AND YOU LOOK AT BACK IN 2016, AND YOU LOOK AT THE VARIOUS AMOUNT OF CASH THAT THE VARIOUS AMOUNT OF CASH THAT HAS BEEN POTENTIALLY FLOWING HAS BEEN POTENTIALLY FLOWING THROUGH THESE ENTITIES AND THROUGH THESE ENTITIES AND DONORS AND MIKE FLYNN BEING A DONORS AND MIKE FLYNN BEING A LOBBYIST FOR TURKEY, IT DOES NOT LOBBYIST FOR TURKEY, IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE, AND SO DONALD — AND MAKE SENSE, AND SO DONALD — AND YOU ALSO LOOKING AT THE KUSHNER YOU ALSO LOOKING AT THE KUSHNER FAMILY AND THEY’RE UNDERWATER AT FAMILY AND THEY’RE UNDERWATER AT 666 5th AVENUE AND HOW DID THAT 666 5th AVENUE AND HOW DID THAT INFLUENCE FOREIGN POLICY IN THE INFLUENCE FOREIGN POLICY IN THE GULF? GULF? THERE ARE MANY, MANY QUESTIONS THERE ARE MANY, MANY QUESTIONS TO BANSANSWERED AND IT’S PETRIFY TO BANSANSWERED AND IT’S PETRIFY THAT THIS IS HOW OR FOREIGN THAT THIS IS HOW OR FOREIGN POLICY THAT’S BEEN CONDUCTED. POLICY THAT’S BEEN CONDUCTED.>>SOMEONE THAT’S TRYING TO GET>>SOMEONE THAT’S TRYING TO GET SOME ANSWERS FOR ALL OF US, SOME ANSWERS FOR ALL OF US, CONGRESSMAN ERIC SWALWELL, CONGRESSMAN ERIC SWALWELL, MEMBER OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY MEMBER OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, INTEL COMMITTEE. COMMITTEE, INTEL COMMITTEE. I WAS BACK IN OUR HOME STATE, I I WAS BACK IN OUR HOME STATE, I WAS IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA LAST WAS IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA LAST WEEK. WEEK. I JUST WANT TO BLOW UP THE IDEA I JUST WANT TO BLOW UP THE IDEA THAT ORDINARY PEOPLE DON’T THAT ORDINARY PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND THE RUSSIA PROBE. UNDERSTAND THE RUSSIA PROBE. THAT’S BS. THAT’S BS. I WAS ASKED TONS OF QUESTIONS. I WAS ASKED TONS OF QUESTIONS. PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT DEUTSCHE BANK. PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT DEUTSCHE BANK. PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT PAUL MANAFORT. PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT PAUL MANAFORT. PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT HIS DEPUTY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT HIS DEPUTY RICK GATES AND PEOPLE KNOW THAT RICK GATES AND PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY ARE ALL NOW WORKING FOR THEY ARE ALL NOW WORKING FOR ROBERT MUELLER AND PEOPLE ARE ROBERT MUELLER AND PEOPLE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN KNOWING THAT VERY INTERESTED IN KNOWING THAT OUR ELECTIONS WILL BE PROTECTED OUR ELECTIONS WILL BE PROTECTED IN 2020 FROM RUSSIAN IN 2020 FROM RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE. INTERFERENCE. I WONDER WHAT YOU TELL THEM I WONDER WHAT YOU TELL THEM YOU’RE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT’S YOU’RE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT’S THE CASE AND TO GET TO THE THE CASE AND TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT HAPPENED IN 2016. BOTTOM OF WHAT HAPPENED IN 2016.>>THAT’S RIGHT, NICOLLE, AND>>THAT’S RIGHT, NICOLLE, AND THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM HERE IN THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM HERE IN WASHINGTON IS PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF WASHINGTON IS PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF WASHINGTON DON’T CARE ABOUT THE WASHINGTON DON’T CARE ABOUT THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. MY CONSTITUENTS IN CALIFORNIA MY CONSTITUENTS IN CALIFORNIA CERTAINLY DO. CERTAINLY DO. WHEN I’M IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WHEN I’M IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, IT’S BECAUSE THE COUNTRY, IT’S BECAUSE THE CONCERN IS THAT RUSSIA IS NOT CONCERN IS THAT RUSSIA IS NOT ATTACKING US TO BENEFIT ATTACKING US TO BENEFIT TRANSACTIONALLY FROM DONALD TRANSACTIONALLY FROM DONALD TRUMP, ALTHOUGH THAT’S A TRUMP, ALTHOUGH THAT’S A COLLATERAL BENEFIT. COLLATERAL BENEFIT. PEOPLE GET THAT THEY WANT TO PEOPLE GET THAT THEY WANT TO TEAR DOWN THE VALUES WE HAVE OF TEAR DOWN THE VALUES WE HAVE OF RULE OF LAW, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, RULE OF LAW, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, HUMAN RIGHTS, BECAUSE THEY KNOW HUMAN RIGHTS, BECAUSE THEY KNOW IF YOU TEAR THAT DOWN IN IF YOU TEAR THAT DOWN IN AMERICA, THEN YOU CAN STOP THAT AMERICA, THEN YOU CAN STOP THAT FROM EVER COMING TO RUSSIA OR FROM EVER COMING TO RUSSIA OR RUSSIANS EVER WANTING THAT IN RUSSIANS EVER WANTING THAT IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. THEIR OWN COUNTRY. AND SO THE BEST WAY TO PROTECT AND SO THE BEST WAY TO PROTECT THAT IS INVEST IN TECHNOLOGIES THAT IS INVEST IN TECHNOLOGIES AT THE BALLOT BOX TO KEEP US AT THE BALLOT BOX TO KEEP US SECURE, BUT NICOLLE, THE SECURE, BUT NICOLLE, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHY THESE UNDERSTAND WHY THESE INVESTIGATIONS ARE SO IMPORTANT. INVESTIGATIONS ARE SO IMPORTANT. REMEMBER, NOW, IT’S NOT JUST THE REMEMBER, NOW, IT’S NOT JUST THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, NOT JUST THE MUELLER PROBE AND NOT JUST THE MUELLER PROBE AND NOT JUST CONGRESS. NOT JUST CONGRESS. ALSO, THERE ARE SUBPOENAS ISSUED ALSO, THERE ARE SUBPOENAS ISSUED BY THE STATE OF MARYLAND BY THE STATE OF MARYLAND YESTERDAY AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE A YESTERDAY AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE A GRIFTER PRESIDENT, THAT AFFECTS GRIFTER PRESIDENT, THAT AFFECTS HIS ABILITY TO ADVOCATE ON HIS ABILITY TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. AND IT AFFECTS HIS ABILITY TO AND IT AFFECTS HIS ABILITY TO DELIVER ON THE PROMISES HE MADE DELIVER ON THE PROMISES HE MADE IN THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. IN THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.>>I WANT TO DRILL DOWN, IF I>>I WANT TO DRILL DOWN, IF I MAY, WITH THIS NEWS YESTERDAY MAY, WITH THIS NEWS YESTERDAY ABOUT A SUBPOENA FOR THE ABOUT A SUBPOENA FOR THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE AND READ YOU INAUGURAL COMMITTEE AND READ YOU A LITTLE BIT FROM “THE NEW YORK A LITTLE BIT FROM “THE NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTING. TIMES” REPORTING. THE “TIMES” WRITES, “IN RAIDS OF THE “TIMES” WRITES, “IN RAIDS OF MR. COHEN’S OFFICE, HOME AND MR. COHEN’S OFFICE, HOME AND HOTEL ROOM IN APRIL, FBI AGENTS HOTEL ROOM IN APRIL, FBI AGENTS SEIZED HIS CELL PHONES WHICH SEIZED HIS CELL PHONES WHICH INCLUDED MANY DOZENS OF VOICE INCLUDED MANY DOZENS OF VOICE RECORDINGS, MOSTLY VOICEMAIL RECORDINGS, MOSTLY VOICEMAIL MESSAGES, ACCORDING TO PEOPLE MESSAGES, ACCORDING TO PEOPLE BRIEFED ON THE SEIZED MATERIAL. BRIEFED ON THE SEIZED MATERIAL. IN ONE, MR. COHEN SPOKE TO IN ONE, MR. COHEN SPOKE TO STEPHANIE WINSTON WOLCOFF, TOP STEPHANIE WINSTON WOLCOFF, TOP OFFICIAL ON THE INAUGURAL OFFICIAL ON THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE. COMMITTEE. IS YOUR COMMITTEE AT LEAST ON IS YOUR COMMITTEE AT LEAST ON THE FOREIGN CONTACT SIDE GOING THE FOREIGN CONTACT SIDE GOING TO LOOK AT THE PRESIDENT’S TO LOOK AT THE PRESIDENT’S INAUGURAL COMMITTEE AND IS ANY INAUGURAL COMMITTEE AND IS ANY OF THIS EVIDENCE OF INTEREST TO OF THIS EVIDENCE OF INTEREST TO YOU AND YOUR INVESTIGATION? YOU AND YOUR INVESTIGATION?>>SO SPEAKING AS A JUDICIARY>>SO SPEAKING AS A JUDICIARY COMMITTEE MEMBER, A THINK A LOT COMMITTEE MEMBER, A THINK A LOT OF THIS WILL FALL UNDER OUR OF THIS WILL FALL UNDER OUR PURVIEW, YES, WE WANT TO KNOW PURVIEW, YES, WE WANT TO KNOW HOW COMPROMISED AND CORRUPT THE HOW COMPROMISED AND CORRUPT THE PRESIDENT AND THE TEAM AROUND PRESIDENT AND THE TEAM AROUND HIM WERE AND CONTINUE TO BE. HIM WERE AND CONTINUE TO BE. ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO FOREIGN INFLUENCE EFFORTS. FOREIGN INFLUENCE EFFORTS. AND WE SHOULDN’T ASSUME, AND WE SHOULDN’T ASSUME, NICOLLE, THAT THIS PRESIDENT WAS NICOLLE, THAT THIS PRESIDENT WAS ONLY FAITHFUL TO RUSSIA. ONLY FAITHFUL TO RUSSIA. IT LOOKS LIKE HE ALSO HAD IT LOOKS LIKE HE ALSO HAD INTERESTS WITH SAUDI ARABIA AND, INTERESTS WITH SAUDI ARABIA AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS THEM YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS THEM INVESTING IN HIM DECADES AGO AND INVESTING IN HIM DECADES AGO AND BAILING HIM OUT, BUYING HIS BAILING HIM OUT, BUYING HIS YACHTS OR BUYING HIS CONDOS, HE YACHTS OR BUYING HIS CONDOS, HE WAS — HE VISITED THEM FIRST WAS — HE VISITED THEM FIRST WHEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT AND WE WHEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT AND WE SAW THAT THEY INVESTED IN BUYING SAW THAT THEY INVESTED IN BUYING OVER 500 HOTEL ROOMS IN THE OVER 500 HOTEL ROOMS IN THE FIRST FEW WEEKS AFTER THAT FIRST FEW WEEKS AFTER THAT INAUGURATION. INAUGURATION. SO THERE’S A LOT TO WORK ON SO THERE’S A LOT TO WORK ON HERE, NICOLLE. HERE, NICOLLE. I’LL JUST SAY WE MUST MAKE SURE I’LL JUST SAY WE MUST MAKE SURE THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT BENEFIT THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT BENEFIT AND ALLOW MORE TO BECOME LESS AND ALLOW MORE TO BECOME LESS BECAUSE SOMEHOW, THE MORE BECAUSE SOMEHOW, THE MORE INVESTIGATIONS THAT STACK UP, IT INVESTIGATIONS THAT STACK UP, IT BECOMES MORE WORK FOR BECOMES MORE WORK FOR CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATORS, BUT CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATORS, BUT WE CAN’T LET THAT BE LEFT IN THE WE CAN’T LET THAT BE LEFT IN THE MINDS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. MINDS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.>>LET ME SPEAK IN CONCRETE>>LET ME SPEAK IN CONCRETE TERMS ABOUT WHAT THINGS I KNOW TERMS ABOUT WHAT THINGS I KNOW ARE ON YOUR SCHEDULE FRIDAY. ARE ON YOUR SCHEDULE FRIDAY. I BELIEFVE MICHAEL COHEN IS IN I BELIEFVE MICHAEL COHEN IS IN FRONT OF ONE OF THE COMMITTEES, FRONT OF ONE OF THE COMMITTEES, HOUSE INTEL COMMITTEE. HOUSE INTEL COMMITTEE. I BELIEVE MATT WHITAKER IS ON I BELIEVE MATT WHITAKER IS ON THE OTHER. THE OTHER. YOU CAN EXPLAIN HOW YOU’RE GOING YOU CAN EXPLAIN HOW YOU’RE GOING TO DIVIDE YOUR TIME TO US, TOO. TO DIVIDE YOUR TIME TO US, TOO. FIRST, I WANT TO START WITH FIRST, I WANT TO START WITH COHEN. COHEN. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IN WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IN FRIDAY’S CLOSED TESTIMONY WITH FRIDAY’S CLOSED TESTIMONY WITH COHEN? COHEN?>>MICHAEL COHEN LIVED IN THE>>MICHAEL COHEN LIVED IN THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL, POLITICAL, PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL, POLITICAL, AND PROFESSIONAL LIFE AND HE HAD AND PROFESSIONAL LIFE AND HE HAD FRONT-ROW KNOWLEDGE AS TO WHAT FRONT-ROW KNOWLEDGE AS TO WHAT DONALD TRUMP’S INTENTIONS WERE, DONALD TRUMP’S INTENTIONS WERE, WHETHER IT WAS BUSINESS DEALS IN WHETHER IT WAS BUSINESS DEALS IN RUSSIA, WHETHER IT WAS WHAT THE RUSSIA, WHETHER IT WAS WHAT THE RUSSIANS WERE DOING ON HIS RUSSIANS WERE DOING ON HIS BEHALF WHEN THEY WERE SAYING TO BEHALF WHEN THEY WERE SAYING TO MICHAEL COHEN, IF YOU CONNECT MICHAEL COHEN, IF YOU CONNECT DONALD TRUMP AND VLADIMIR PUTIN, DONALD TRUMP AND VLADIMIR PUTIN, WE CAN ENGINEER THIS ELECTION WE CAN ENGINEER THIS ELECTION AND MAKE OUR BOY, DONALD TRUMP, AND MAKE OUR BOY, DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. SO WHAT WAS DONALD TRUMP’S SO WHAT WAS DONALD TRUMP’S KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ALL THAT? KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ALL THAT? AND THEN JUST THE SHADOWY WAYS AND THEN JUST THE SHADOWY WAYS THAT THEY OPERATED THEN ONCE WE THAT THEY OPERATED THEN ONCE WE UNDERSTAND WHY MICHAEL COHEN UNDERSTAND WHY MICHAEL COHEN LIED FOR DONALD TRUMP, WHETHER LIED FOR DONALD TRUMP, WHETHER HE WAS DIRECTED TO LIE FOR HE WAS DIRECTED TO LIE FOR DONALD TRUMP, IT WILL ALLOW US DONALD TRUMP, IT WILL ALLOW US TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE OTHER TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE OTHER WITNESSES WHO ARE PRESENTLY WITNESSES WHO ARE PRESENTLY LYING FOR DONALD TRUMP, AND WHAT LYING FOR DONALD TRUMP, AND WHAT THEIR MOTIVES ARE AND, PRANCE, THEIR MOTIVES ARE AND, PRANCE, HOW YOU CAN CRACK THEM. HOW YOU CAN CRACK THEM.>>CAN YOU GIVE US A SUSPECT>>CAN YOU GIVE US A SUSPECT LIST OF THAT GROUP THAT YOU JUST LIST OF THAT GROUP THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED? DESCRIBED? THE WITNESSES WHO ARE PRESENTLY THE WITNESSES WHO ARE PRESENTLY LYING FOR DONALD TRUMP? LYING FOR DONALD TRUMP?>>YEAH, WELL, WE INTERVIEWED>>YEAH, WELL, WE INTERVIEWED DOZENS IN OUR LAST INVESTIGATION DOZENS IN OUR LAST INVESTIGATION AND THEY INCLUDE THE PEOPLE WHO AND THEY INCLUDE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CLOSEST TO HIM AT THE TRUMP ARE CLOSEST TO HIM AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, FAMILY MEMBERS, ORGANIZATION, FAMILY MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ON THE CAMPAIGN YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ON THE CAMPAIGN TEAM, BUT WE CAN NOW SUBPOENA TEAM, BUT WE CAN NOW SUBPOENA THE THIRD-PARTY WITNESSES IN THE THIRD-PARTY WITNESSES IN DOCUMENTS THAT THE FEDERAL DOCUMENTS THAT THE FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS ARE GOING AFTER INVESTIGATORS ARE GOING AFTER NOW. NOW. AND LET ME, ALSO I JUST WANT TO AND LET ME, ALSO I JUST WANT TO SAY QUICKLY ON WHITAKER, THE SAY QUICKLY ON WHITAKER, THE POINT OF WHITAKER IS NOT ABOUT POINT OF WHITAKER IS NOT ABOUT WHITAKER, THIS IS A DAMAGE WHITAKER, THIS IS A DAMAGE ASSESSMENT OF THE RULE OF LAW ASSESSMENT OF THE RULE OF LAW BECAUSE IT’S HAS A WRECKING BALL BECAUSE IT’S HAS A WRECKING BALL TAKEN TO IT FOR THE LAST TWO TAKEN TO IT FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. YEARS. HE’S THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT HE’S THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER RIGHT NOW. OFFICER RIGHT NOW. AND WE WANT TO SEE IF THE RULE AND WE WANT TO SEE IF THE RULE OF LAW IS STILL STANDING IN THIS OF LAW IS STILL STANDING IN THIS COUNTRY PRINCIPALLY AS IT COUNTRY PRINCIPALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE LARGEST RELATES TO THE LARGEST INVESTIGATION OUR COUNTRY HAS INVESTIGATION OUR COUNTRY HAS EVER SEEN OF A PRESIDENT AND EVER SEEN OF A PRESIDENT AND THAT’S THE MUELLER PROBE. THAT’S THE MUELLER PROBE.>>LET ME FOLLOW UP FIRST ON>>LET ME FOLLOW UP FIRST ON WHITAKER. WHITAKER. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THE KIND OF ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THE KIND OF SPECIFICITY, ARE YOU GOING TO SPECIFICITY, ARE YOU GOING TO ASK HIM — AND I UNDERSTAND ASK HIM — AND I UNDERSTAND HE’LL BE UNDER OATH OR IF HE HE’LL BE UNDER OATH OR IF HE LIES, IT WOULD BE AS THOUGH HE LIES, IT WOULD BE AS THOUGH HE LIED UNDER OATH. LIED UNDER OATH. SO ARE YOU GOING TO ASK HIM IF SO ARE YOU GOING TO ASK HIM IF HE’S HAD SPECIFIC CONVERSATIONS HE’S HAD SPECIFIC CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PRESIDENT ABOUT THE WITH THE PRESIDENT ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE MUELLER PROBE? STATUS OF THE MUELLER PROBE?>>YES.>>YES. FIRST, IT’S WHY ARE YOU HERE? FIRST, IT’S WHY ARE YOU HERE? ESSENTIALLY, HOW DID YOU GET ESSENTIALLY, HOW DID YOU GET THIS JOB? THIS JOB? DID YOU ADVOCATE FOR IT? DID YOU ADVOCATE FOR IT? YOU KNOW, WORKING AROUND YOUR YOU KNOW, WORKING AROUND YOUR BOSS, JEFF SESSIONS, AND TELLING BOSS, JEFF SESSIONS, AND TELLING THE PRESIDENT THAT YOU WOULD THE PRESIDENT THAT YOU WOULD BRING DOWN OR, YOU KNOW, STIFLE BRING DOWN OR, YOU KNOW, STIFLE THE MUELLER PROBE? THE MUELLER PROBE? AND THEN SECOND, WHAT PROMISES AND THEN SECOND, WHAT PROMISES DID YOU MAKE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP DID YOU MAKE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP ABOUT THE PROBE? ABOUT THE PROBE? THIRD, WHY DID YOU NOT RECUSE THIRD, WHY DID YOU NOT RECUSE YOURSELF WHEN YOU WERE ADVISED YOURSELF WHEN YOU WERE ADVISED TO RECUSE YOURSELF? TO RECUSE YOURSELF? AND THEN ALSO WANT TO KNOW, WHAT AND THEN ALSO WANT TO KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU PASSING BACK, IF ARE YOU PASSING BACK, IF ANYTHING TO THE PRESIDENT OR HIS ANYTHING TO THE PRESIDENT OR HIS DEFENSE COUNSEL AS YOU ARE DEFENSE COUNSEL AS YOU ARE STARTING TO GET READ IN TO THE STARTING TO GET READ IN TO THE MUELLER PROBE? MUELLER PROBE?>>AND I WANT –>>AND I WANT –>>FROM HIS APPOINTMENT TO THE>>FROM HIS APPOINTMENT TO THE RECUSAL TO WHY HE INEXPLICABLY RECUSAL TO WHY HE INEXPLICABLY TOLD THE COUNTRY THE MUELLER TOLD THE COUNTRY THE MUELLER PROBE WAS WINDING DOWN. PROBE WAS WINDING DOWN.>>JUST THE VERY ACT OF GETTING>>JUST THE VERY ACT OF GETTING A JOB, HE WAS THE CHIEF OF STAFF A JOB, HE WAS THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE GUY THAT WAS FIRED. TO THE GUY THAT WAS FIRED. HE SEEMED A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD HE SEEMED A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A CONSCIENCE AND NOT GO IN HAVE A CONSCIENCE AND NOT GO IN AND DO THAT. AND DO THAT. I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT WHAT’S I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT WHAT’S FISHY. FISHY. I WANT TO JUMP BACK TO COHEN I WANT TO JUMP BACK TO COHEN QUICKLY AND JUST ISOLATE QUICKLY AND JUST ISOLATE SOMETHING YOU SAID. SOMETHING YOU SAID. MY FRIENDS AT THE JUSTICE MY FRIENDS AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SOMETIMES ACCUSE ME DEPARTMENT SOMETIMES ACCUSE ME OF OVERDRAMATIZING LEGS OF THE OF OVERDRAMATIZING LEGS OF THE INVESTIGATION BUT I DON’T THINK INVESTIGATION BUT I DON’T THINK IT’S DRAMATIC ENOUGH TO SAY THAT IT’S DRAMATIC ENOUGH TO SAY THAT YOU WANT TO ASK COHEN WHO ASKED YOU WANT TO ASK COHEN WHO ASKED HIM TO LIE. HIM TO LIE. I MEAN, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SORT I MEAN, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SORT OF THE INVESTIGATIVE VERSION OF, OF THE INVESTIGATIVE VERSION OF, YOU KNOW, WHO CALLED THE CODE YOU KNOW, WHO CALLED THE CODE RED? RED? I MEAN, WHO TOLD YOU TO TELL I MEAN, WHO TOLD YOU TO TELL THIS LIE WHICH HAPPENED TO BE THIS LIE WHICH HAPPENED TO BE THE SAME LIE MANY OTHER PEOPLE THE SAME LIE MANY OTHER PEOPLE IF THE PRESIDENT’S BUSINESS AND IF THE PRESIDENT’S BUSINESS AND POLITICAL ORBITS TOLD, LIES POLITICAL ORBITS TOLD, LIES ABOUT RUSSIA, LIES ABOUT ABOUT RUSSIA, LIES ABOUT BUSINESS INTEREST WITH RUSSIA, BUSINESS INTEREST WITH RUSSIA, LIES ABOUT CONTACT WITH RUSSIA? LIES ABOUT CONTACT WITH RUSSIA?>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT. EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT MICHAEL EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN IS THAT HE FAITHFULLY COHEN IS THAT HE FAITHFULLY EXECUTED DIRECTIVES ON BEHALF OF EXECUTED DIRECTIVES ON BEHALF OF DONALD TRUMP FOR OVER A DECADE. DONALD TRUMP FOR OVER A DECADE. SO EVERYTHING HE WOULD DO WAS SO EVERYTHING HE WOULD DO WAS ONLY BY DIRECTION OF DONALD ONLY BY DIRECTION OF DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP. SO IF HE LIED TO CONGRESS, WHICH SO IF HE LIED TO CONGRESS, WHICH HE PLED GUILTY TO, I THINK LOGIC HE PLED GUILTY TO, I THINK LOGIC DICTATES THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW DICTATES THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW WAS THAT AT THE DIRECTION OF WAS THAT AT THE DIRECTION OF DONALD TRUMP? DONALD TRUMP? WE INTERVIEWED HOPE HICKS AND I WE INTERVIEWED HOPE HICKS AND I ASKED HER DURING AN EXCHANGE ASKED HER DURING AN EXCHANGE THAT WE HAD IN OUR INTERVIEW IF THAT WE HAD IN OUR INTERVIEW IF DONALD TRUMP HAD EVER ASKED HER DONALD TRUMP HAD EVER ASKED HER TO LIE AND SHE INVOKED A NUMBER TO LIE AND SHE INVOKED A NUMBER OF PRIVILEGES, REFUSED TO ANSWER OF PRIVILEGES, REFUSED TO ANSWER BUT FINALLY TOLD US SHE HAD, IN BUT FINALLY TOLD US SHE HAD, IN FACT, TOLD WHITE LIES FOR DONALD FACT, TOLD WHITE LIES FOR DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP. SO WE KNOW THAT THIS IS THE M.O. SO WE KNOW THAT THIS IS THE M.O. OF DONALD TRUMP. OF DONALD TRUMP. IT’S TO MAKE DIRECTIVES LIKE IT’S TO MAKE DIRECTIVES LIKE THAT AND I THINK WE WILL THAT AND I THINK WE WILL PROBABLY FIND THAT THAT MAY BE PROBABLY FIND THAT THAT MAY BE WHAT MOTIVATED MICHAEL COHEN TO WHAT MOTIVATED MICHAEL COHEN TO LIE TO CONGRESS. LIE TO CONGRESS.>>HARRY LITMAN, LET ME ASK YOU>>HARRY LITMAN, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT. ABOUT THAT. THIS PATTERN OF LYING IS THIS PATTERN OF LYING IS SOMETHING THAT IN DONALD TRUMP’S SOMETHING THAT IN DONALD TRUMP’S MIND, HE DESCRIBED IN AN MIND, HE DESCRIBED IN AN INTERVIEW SUNDAY TO CBS. INTERVIEW SUNDAY TO CBS. EVEN WITH THE DEFINITION OF A EVEN WITH THE DEFINITION OF A CRIME IS SEEMS TO BE LOST ON THE CRIME IS SEEMS TO BE LOST ON THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF THE COUNTRY, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF THE COUNTRY, THE PERSON WHO SITS ATOP THE THE PERSON WHO SITS ATOP THE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT BUREAUCRACY. BUREAUCRACY.>>YEAH, I MEAN, FROM A POLICY>>YEAH, I MEAN, FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, IN SOME WAYS, IT’S STANDPOINT, IN SOME WAYS, IT’S THE MOST ABIDING AND REALLY THE MOST ABIDING AND REALLY TROUBLING ASPECT OF THE WHOLE TROUBLING ASPECT OF THE WHOLE PRESIDENCY. PRESIDENCY. HE WAKES UP LYING AND LIES ALL HE WAKES UP LYING AND LIES ALL DAY AND SEEMS TO THINK NOTHING DAY AND SEEMS TO THINK NOTHING OF IT. OF IT. BUT AS A FEDERAL CRIMINAL BUT AS A FEDERAL CRIMINAL MATTER, A MATTER FOR CONGRESS TO MATTER, A MATTER FOR CONGRESS TO INVESTIGATE, IT’S SERIOUS STUFF. INVESTIGATE, IT’S SERIOUS STUFF. THE SAME THING THAT WE HAD IN THE SAME THING THAT WE HAD IN IRAN CONTRA OR WATERGATE, ET IRAN CONTRA OR WATERGATE, ET CETERA. CETERA. IT’S THROWING SAND IN THE GEARS IT’S THROWING SAND IN THE GEARS OF VITAL INVESTIGATIONS AND OF VITAL INVESTIGATIONS AND KEEPING PEOPLE FROM KNOWING THE KEEPING PEOPLE FROM KNOWING THE TRUTH. TRUTH. USUALLY TO SERVE YOURSELF. USUALLY TO SERVE YOURSELF. AND IT OFTEN INVOLVES AND IT OFTEN INVOLVES CONSPIRACY, FOR INSTANCE, THE CONSPIRACY, FOR INSTANCE, THE HOPE HICKS STORY ON THE PLANE HOPE HICKS STORY ON THE PLANE ABOUT THE RUSSIA TRUMP TOWER ABOUT THE RUSSIA TRUMP TOWER MEETING. MEETING. WHAT COULD BE MORE IMPORTANT WHAT COULD BE MORE IMPORTANT EVEN THAN THE CRIMINAL ASPECTS EVEN THAN THE CRIMINAL ASPECTS THAN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GETTING THAN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GETTING THE TRUTH AND THAT IS WHAT THIS THE TRUTH AND THAT IS WHAT THIS PATTERN IS A DIRECT ASSAULT ON. PATTERN IS A DIRECT ASSAULT ON.>>PHIL RUCKER, HOPE HICKS’ NAME>>PHIL RUCKER, HOPE HICKS’ NAME HAS BEEN INVOKED TWICE, ONE I HAS BEEN INVOKED TWICE, ONE I HAVEN’T THOUGHT ABOUT IN A HAVEN’T THOUGHT ABOUT IN A WHILE, BUT IT DOES REMIND ME WHILE, BUT IT DOES REMIND ME THERE IS AN ACTIVE OBSTRUCTION THERE IS AN ACTIVE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE INVESTIGATION UNDER OF JUSTICE INVESTIGATION UNDER WAY INTO THIS PRESIDENT. WAY INTO THIS PRESIDENT. HE’S ALSO ESSENTIALLY AN HE’S ALSO ESSENTIALLY AN UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR IN THE UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. AND THE MUELLER PROBE IS NOW AND THE MUELLER PROBE IS NOW STILL LOOMING LARGE OVER HIS STILL LOOMING LARGE OVER HIS HEAD. HEAD. MAYBE SOME SORT OF INTERIM MAYBE SOME SORT OF INTERIM REPORT OR SOME SORT OF UPDATE TO REPORT OR SOME SORT OF UPDATE TO BE DELIVERED, PERHAPS, TO THE BE DELIVERED, PERHAPS, TO THE NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL. NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL. WHAT IS SORT OF THE CURRENT WHAT IS SORT OF THE CURRENT WHITE HOUSE POSTURE ABOUT ALL OF WHITE HOUSE POSTURE ABOUT ALL OF THESE SPOKES POINTING INWARD THESE SPOKES POINTING INWARD DIRECTLY AT THE PRESIDENT? DIRECTLY AT THE PRESIDENT?>>WELL, THE OBSTRUCTION OF>>WELL, THE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE INVESTIGATION IS JUSTICE INVESTIGATION IS IMPORTANT, AS YOU JUST POINTED IMPORTANT, AS YOU JUST POINTED OUT AND OFTEN OVERLOOKED WHEN OUT AND OFTEN OVERLOOKED WHEN WE’RE TALKING SO MUCH ABOUT WE’RE TALKING SO MUCH ABOUT POSSIBLE COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA, POSSIBLE COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA, BUT WE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT SO BUT WE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT SO MANY OF THE PRESIDENT’S TOP MANY OF THE PRESIDENT’S TOP ADVISERS INCLUDING HIS COUNSEL, ADVISERS INCLUDING HIS COUNSEL, DON McGAHN, HAVE SPENT HOURS AS DON McGAHN, HAVE SPENT HOURS AS WITNESSES BEFORE MUELLER AND WITNESSES BEFORE MUELLER AND BEFORE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL BEFORE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL INVESTIGATORS GOING OVER KEY INVESTIGATORS GOING OVER KEY MOMENTS, RECOLLECTING, YOU KNOW, MOMENTS, RECOLLECTING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID, WHEN WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID, WHEN AND WHERE AND WHY, AND WHAT AND WHERE AND WHY, AND WHAT HAPPENED AS MUELLER BUILDS A HAPPENED AS MUELLER BUILDS A NARRATIVE THAT TELLS US ABOUT NARRATIVE THAT TELLS US ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S INTERACTIONS AND THE PRESIDENT’S INTERACTIONS AND INVOLVEMENTS AT SOME OF THESE INVOLVEMENTS AT SOME OF THESE KEY MOMENTS INCLUDING THE FIRING KEY MOMENTS INCLUDING THE FIRING OF JIM COMEY AS THE FBI OF JIM COMEY AS THE FBI DIRECTOR, INCLUDING WRITING THAT DIRECTOR, INCLUDING WRITING THAT FALSE — DICTATING THAT FALSE FALSE — DICTATING THAT FALSE STATEMENT ABOARD AFFORCE ONE FOR STATEMENT ABOARD AFFORCE ONE FOR HIS SON, DON JUNIOR. HIS SON, DON JUNIOR. ALL THAT THATIS GOING TO COME TO ALL THAT THATIS GOING TO COME TO HEAD AT SOME POINT WHEN THE HEAD AT SOME POINT WHEN THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION WRAPS UP. MUELLER INVESTIGATION WRAPS UP. THE WHITE HOUSE POSTURE TODAY IS THE WHITE HOUSE POSTURE TODAY IS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIGHT AND USE PRIVILEGE TO FIGHT AND USE PRIVILEGE TO PREVENT ASPECTS OF THAT REPORT PREVENT ASPECTS OF THAT REPORT FROM BECOMING PUBLIC. FROM BECOMING PUBLIC. IT’S SOMETHING THAT THE IT’S SOMETHING THAT THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS AS WELL AS PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS AS WELL AS THE WHITE HOUSE COUNSELS HAVE THE WHITE HOUSE COUNSELS HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON IN THE LAST FEW BEEN FOCUSED ON IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS TRYING TO EXERT MONTHS TRYING TO EXERT PRIVILEGE, TRYING TO PREVENT KEY PRIVILEGE, TRYING TO PREVENT KEY PARTS OF THAT REPORT FROM BEING PARTS OF THAT REPORT FROM BEING MADE PUBLIC TO THE CONGRESS. MADE PUBLIC TO THE CONGRESS. NOW, IT’S GOING TO BE UP TO THE NOW, IT’S GOING TO BE UP TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THAT COULD ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THAT COULD BE BARR BY THE TIME THIS ALL BE BARR BY THE TIME THIS ALL COMES TO A HEAD TO DECIDE WHAT COMES TO A HEAD TO DECIDE WHAT TO RELEASE TO CONGRESS, IF TO RELEASE TO CONGRESS, IF ANYTHING, AND THERE IS CERTAINLY ANYTHING, AND THERE IS CERTAINLY A FIGHT THAT’S TAKING SHAPE A FIGHT THAT’S TAKING SHAPE BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT OF BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND THE CONGRESS WHERE JUSTICE AND THE CONGRESS WHERE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO BE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO BE CALLING FOR A LOT OF THESE CALLING FOR A LOT OF THESE DETAILS TO BE MADE PUBLIC. DETAILS TO BE MADE PUBLIC. BUT THAT’S THE THINKING RIGHT BUT THAT’S THE THINKING RIGHT NOW, TO TRY TO PREVENT DAMAGING NOW, TO TRY TO PREVENT DAMAGING INFORMATION FROM BEING CONSUMED INFORMATION FROM BEING CONSUMED BY THE PUBLIC. BY THE PUBLIC. BY US. BY US.>>CONGRESSMAN, LET ME GIVE YOU>>CONGRESSMAN, LET ME GIVE YOU THE LAST WORD ON THAT. THE LAST WORD ON THAT. SPECIAL COUNSEL REGULATIONS, AS SPECIAL COUNSEL REGULATIONS, AS I UNDERSTAND THEM, DON’T REQUIRE I UNDERSTAND THEM, DON’T REQUIRE THAT A REPORT FROM ROBERT THAT A REPORT FROM ROBERT MUELLER GO TO CONGRESS. MUELLER GO TO CONGRESS. SO WHAT ARE YOU EXPLORING TO GET SO WHAT ARE YOU EXPLORING TO GET THAT INFORMATION FOR THE THAT INFORMATION FOR THE PURPOSES OF YOUR INVESTIGATIONS PURPOSES OF YOUR INVESTIGATIONS AND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC? AND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC?>>YEAH, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE>>YEAH, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL SEE THE MUELLER REPORT. WILL SEE THE MUELLER REPORT. I SAY THAT WITH CONFIDENCE, I SAY THAT WITH CONFIDENCE, NICOLLE, BECAUSE FOR TWO YEARS NICOLLE, BECAUSE FOR TWO YEARS WE WERE POWERLESS UNDER THIS WE WERE POWERLESS UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION AS THE ADMINISTRATION AS THE REPUBLICANS PROTECTED THE REPUBLICANS PROTECTED THE PRESIDENT FROM INVESTIGATIONS PRESIDENT FROM INVESTIGATIONS AND TRANSPARENCY. AND TRANSPARENCY. WE WERE GIVEN POWER TO PUT A WE WERE GIVEN POWER TO PUT A BALANCE OF POWER ON ABUSES OF BALANCE OF POWER ON ABUSES OF POWER BY THE VOTERS LAST

Christie Goes From ‘Sit Down And Shut Up’ To Civility Advocate | The Beat With Ari Melber | MSNBC


♪ Liberty, Liberty, Liberty, Liberty ♪ Liberty, Liberty ♪>>>NOW WE TURN TO NEWS THAT>>>NOW WE TURN TO NEWS THAT COULD BE AN ONION HEADLINE. COULD BE AN ONION HEADLINE. ARE YOU READY? ARE YOU READY? CHRIS CHRISTIE THE FAMOUSLY CHRIS CHRISTIE THE FAMOUSLY SHORT TEMPERED AND SOMETIMES SHORT TEMPERED AND SOMETIMES VERBALLY ABUSEIVE NEW JERSEY VERBALLY ABUSEIVE NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR, HAS DECIDED ON HIS GOVERNOR, HAS DECIDED ON HIS NEXT PROJECT. NEXT PROJECT. A THINK TANKING TO ADDRESS A THINK TANKING TO ADDRESS CIVILITY TO THE ADDRESS TODAY’S CIVILITY TO THE ADDRESS TODAY’S UGLY AND DIVISIVE POLITICS UGLY AND DIVISIVE POLITICS BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN’T HAVING BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN’T HAVING CIVILIZED CONVERSATIONS. CIVILIZED CONVERSATIONS. HE IS ANOINTING HIMSELF A HE IS ANOINTING HIMSELF A CIVILITY COP TODAY. CIVILITY COP TODAY. OBVIOUSLY, THIS HAS US THINKING OBVIOUSLY, THIS HAS US THINKING THIS IS LIKE RAB ON YOUR WEDDING THIS IS LIKE RAB ON YOUR WEDDING DAY OR 10,000 SPOONS WHEN ALL DAY OR 10,000 SPOONS WHEN ALL YOU NEED IS A KNIFE. YOU NEED IS A KNIFE. ISN’T IT IRONIC AS ALANIS ISN’T IT IRONIC AS ALANIS MORISSETTE WOULD SAY. MORISSETTE WOULD SAY.>>I WAS WONDERING WHY YOU THINK>>I WAS WONDERING WHY YOU THINK IT’S FAIR TO BE CUTTING SCHOOL IT’S FAIR TO BE CUTTING SCHOOL FUNDING TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS. FUNDING TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS.>>WHAT’S YOUR NAME.>>WHAT’S YOUR NAME.>>FIRST OFF IT’S NONE OF YOUR>>FIRST OFF IT’S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. BUSINESS. I DON’T ASK YOU WHERE YOU SEND I DON’T ASK YOU WHERE YOU SEND YOUR KIDS TO SCHOOL. YOUR KIDS TO SCHOOL. DON’T BOGER ME WHERE I SEND MY DON’T BOGER ME WHERE I SEND MY INTO COMPENSATING ME FOR MY INTO COMPENSATING ME FOR MY CHICKS NOR MY EXPERIENCE. CHICKS NOR MY EXPERIENCE.>>YOU KNOW WHAT?>>YOU KNOW WHAT? THEN YOU DON’T HAVE TO DO IT. THEN YOU DON’T HAVE TO DO IT.>>IF YOU WANT TO PUT ON A SHOW>>IF YOU WANT TO PUT ON A SHOW AND GIGGLETIME TIME I TALK, I AND GIGGLETIME TIME I TALK, I HAVE NO INTEREST HAVE NO INTEREST YOUR QUESTION. YOUR QUESTION.>>LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING,>>LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, AFTER YOU GRADUATE FROM LAW AFTER YOU GRADUATE FROM LAW SCHOOL, TALK LIKE THAT IN A SCHOOL, TALK LIKE THAT IN A COURTROOM, YOUR REAR END IS COURTROOM, YOUR REAR END IS GOING TO GET THROWN IN JAIL. GOING TO GET THROWN IN JAIL. ARE YOU STUPID? ARE YOU STUPID? ON TOPIC, ON TOPIC, NEXT ON TOPIC, ON TOPIC, NEXT QUESTION. QUESTION. GOOD, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH, GOOD, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH, AND I’M SORRY FOR THE IDIOT OVER AND I’M SORRY FOR THE IDIOT OVER THERE. THERE. I WORK THE CONES, ACTUALLY, I WORK THE CONES, ACTUALLY, MATT, UNBEI WAS THE GUY WORKING MATT, UNBEI WAS THE GUY WORKING CONES. CONES.>>IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A>>IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION LATER, I’M HAPPY TO CONVERSATION LATER, I’M HAPPY TO HAVE IT BUDDY. HAVE IT BUDDY. UNTIL THAT TIME, SIT DOWN AND UNTIL THAT TIME, SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP. SHUT UP.>>ISN’T IT IRONIC, THAT SONG>>ISN’T IT IRONIC, THAT SONG ACTUALLY HITS CHRISTIE IN TWO ACTUALLY HITS CHRISTIE IN TWO PLACES, THE IRONY OF THE PLACES, THE IRONY OF THE CIVILITY QUEST AND THE OTHER CIVILITY QUEST AND THE OTHER THAT COULD APPLY TO HIS BRIDGE THAT COULD APPLY TO HIS BRIDGE GATE STANCANDAL, A TRAFFIC JAM W GATE STANCANDAL, A TRAFFIC JAM W YOU’RE ALREADY LATE. YOU’RE ALREADY LATE. IT’S HARD TO TAKE THIS STORY IT’S HARD TO TAKE THIS STORY SERIOUSLY WHICH IS WHY WE TURN SERIOUSLY WHICH IS WHY WE TURN TO COMEDIAN CHUCK NICE. TO COMEDIAN CHUCK NICE. CHRIS CHRISTIE FIGHTING FOR CHRIS CHRISTIE FIGHTING FOR CIVILITY. CIVILITY.>>SEE, HERE’S WHAT YOU DON’T>>SEE, HERE’S WHAT YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND, THOUGH, ARI IS THAT UNDERSTAND, THOUGH, ARI IS THAT SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP. SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP. THAT WAS SAID IN LOVE. THAT WAS SAID IN LOVE. OKAY. OKAY. THAT’S THE DEAL. THAT’S THE DEAL.>>I DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT THAT.>>I DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT THAT.>>THERE’S A LOVING WAY TO TELL>>THERE’S A LOVING WAY TO TELL SOMEBODY TO GO TO HELL OR SIT SOMEBODY TO GO TO HELL OR SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP OR YOU DIE. DOWN AND SHUT UP OR YOU DIE. CHRIS CHRISTIE HAS PERFECTED CHRIS CHRISTIE HAS PERFECTED THAT. THAT. EVERYTHING WE SAW THERE. EVERYTHING WE SAW THERE.>>YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN>>YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN SOMEONE IS BEING REALLY FUNNY SOMEONE IS BEING REALLY FUNNY AND SOMEONE SAYS STOP, LIKE GO AND SOMEONE SAYS STOP, LIKE GO ON. ON.>>PLEASE GO ON.>>PLEASE GO ON. WHAT PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND, WHAT PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK WHAT YOU WERE TRYING AND I THINK WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW IS THAT TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW IS THAT CHRIS CHRISTIE SEES HIMSELF AS A CHRIS CHRISTIE SEES HIMSELF AS A BRIDGE, A BRIDGE TO BRING ABOUT BRIDGE, A BRIDGE TO BRING ABOUT COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THOSE WHO COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THOSE WHO MIGHT OTHERWISE BE AT ODDS. MIGHT OTHERWISE BE AT ODDS.>>A BRIDGE.>>A BRIDGE.>>A CHRISTIE BRIDGE.>>A CHRISTIE BRIDGE.>>A TRAFFIC LADEN BRIDGE.>>A TRAFFIC LADEN BRIDGE. LET ME ASK YOU THIS, DO YOU KNOW LET ME ASK YOU THIS, DO YOU KNOW THAT WE HAD FOR THIS SEGMENT, WE THAT WE HAD FOR THIS SEGMENT, WE TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY, THAT’S WHY TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY, THAT’S WHY YOU’RE HERE. YOU’RE HERE.>>THAT’S WHY I’M HERE.>>THAT’S WHY I’M HERE.>>WE DIDN’T GET ALL THE>>WE DIDN’T GET ALL THE HYPOCRISY INTO THAT SET UP. HYPOCRISY INTO THAT SET UP.>>YOU CAN’T.>>YOU CAN’T.>>BECAUSE WHO IS CHRIS>>BECAUSE WHO IS CHRIS CHRISTIE’S BIGGEST POLITICAL CHRISTIE’S BIGGEST POLITICAL ALLY AND MENTOR RIGHT NOW. ALLY AND MENTOR RIGHT NOW.>>ALLY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, I>>ALLY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, I DON’T KNOW, DONALD TRUMP. DON’T KNOW, DONALD TRUMP.>>PERHAPS.>>PERHAPS.>>HE CHAIRED THE TRANSITION, HE>>HE CHAIRED THE TRANSITION, HE WAS THE FIRST ENDORSER IN THE WAS THE FIRST ENDORSER IN THE REPUBLICAN FIELD OF COMPETITORS REPUBLICAN FIELD OF COMPETITORS AND LOOK AT THIS, HE WAS ASKED AND LOOK AT THIS, HE WAS ASKED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE HE’S GOT THE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE HE’S GOT THE CIVILITY PROJECT AND HE SAID NO CIVILITY PROJECT AND HE SAID NO CONFLICT THERE, QUOTE, THE CONFLICT THERE, QUOTE, THE NEGATIVE TONE IN OUR POLITICS NEGATIVE TONE IN OUR POLITICS EXISTED LONG BEFORE TRUMP. EXISTED LONG BEFORE TRUMP. YOU’RE NEVER GOING TO AGREE WITH YOU’RE NEVER GOING TO AGREE WITH ANYONE 100%. ANYONE 100%.>>AND GUESS WHAT, IF YOU>>AND GUESS WHAT, IF YOU REMEMBER LAST WEEK, TRUMP SAID REMEMBER LAST WEEK, TRUMP SAID THIS, EVERYTHING I SAY IS IN THIS, EVERYTHING I SAY IS IN LOVE. LOVE. WE DO LOVE, AND SO, I MEAN, WE DO LOVE, AND SO, I MEAN, LISTEN, THESE ARE TWO PEAS IN A LISTEN, THESE ARE TWO PEAS IN A POD THAT BELONG TOGETHER. POD THAT BELONG TOGETHER. I LIKE WHAT THEY’RE DOING HERE. I LIKE WHAT THEY’RE DOING HERE. THEY’RE BRINGING THE COUNTRY THEY’RE BRINGING THE COUNTRY TOGETHER BY SHOWING WHAT IT IS TOGETHER BY SHOWING WHAT IT IS TO BE A PART. TO BE A PART.>>DO YOU THINK, AND THIS IS MY>>DO YOU THINK, AND THIS IS MY FINAL QUESTION. FINAL QUESTION. THIS IS THE MOST APT QUESTION THIS IS THE MOST APT QUESTION FOR YOU. FOR YOU. THIS IS WHAT YOU KNOW. THIS IS WHAT YOU KNOW.>>ALL RIGHT.>>ALL RIGHT.>>DO YOU THINK CHRIS CHRISTIE>>DO YOU THINK CHRIS CHRISTIE IS PULLING A GIANT PRANK ON US IS PULLING A GIANT PRANK ON US WITH THIS? WITH THIS? WOW, THAT’S A VERY GOOD WOW, THAT’S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. QUESTION.>>LIKE IN A MONTH, DOES HE COME>>LIKE IN A MONTH, DOES HE COME OUT AND BE LIKE, THIS ISN’T A OUT AND BE LIKE, THIS ISN’T A CIVILITY THINK TANK, I’M CHRIS CIVILITY THINK TANK, I’M CHRIS CHRISTIE. CHRISTIE.>>I JUST SEE CHRIS CHRISTIE AS>>I JUST SEE CHRIS CHRISTIE AS DAVE CHAPPELLE. DAVE CHAPPELLE. I’M CHRIS CHRISTIE. I’M CHRIS CHRISTIE. I’M CHRIS CHRISTIE. I’M CHRIS CHRISTIE.>>WATCH IT.>>WATCH IT.>>WHAT DID YOU EXPECT.>>WHAT DID YOU EXPECT. THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING. THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING. LIKE WHAT DID YOU EXPECT, LIKE WHAT DID YOU EXPECT, CIVILITY. CIVILITY. CIVILITY? CIVILITY?>>CAN I COUNT UP IN MY THANK>>CAN I COUNT UP IN MY THANK YOU TO YOU BECAUSE I ALWAYS LOVE YOU TO YOU BECAUSE I ALWAYS LOVE TALKING TO YOU. TALKING TO YOU. YOU MAKE A GOOD NEWS DAY EASIER. YOU MAKE A GOOD NEWS DAY EASIER. YOU DID YOUR IMPRESSION OF YOU DID YOUR IMPRESSION OF DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>AND YOU DID A CHAPPELL>>AND YOU DID A CHAPPELL CHRISTIE PORTMANTEAU.

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>>>NOW TO OUR SPECIAL REPORT ON>>>NOW TO OUR SPECIAL REPORT ON TRUMP CRITICS TURNED SYCOPHANT TRUMP CRITICS TURNED SYCOPHANT FUNDS THIS WEEK POLITICOS FUNDS THIS WEEK POLITICOS FOCUSED ON ANOTHER TWIST, FOCUSED ON ANOTHER TWIST, ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI TURNING ON ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI TURNING ON HIS BOSS. HIS BOSS. IN NORMAL TIMES WHITE HOUSE IN NORMAL TIMES WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS DON’T LASH OUT LIKE OFFICIALS DON’T LASH OUT LIKE THAT. THAT. CONSIDER A WIDER SHIFT INSIDE CONSIDER A WIDER SHIFT INSIDE THE GOP WITH POLICY THE GOP WITH POLICY CONSEQUENCES. CONSEQUENCES. THINK OF IT AS THE REVERSE THINK OF IT AS THE REVERSE MOOCH. MOOCH. REPUBLICANS TURNING FROM SCOLDS REPUBLICANS TURNING FROM SCOLDS TO SUPPORT BUSY. TO SUPPORT BUSY. THERE’S ONE PROMINENT EXAMPLE THERE’S ONE PROMINENT EXAMPLE YOU’VE SURELY SEEN, LINDSEY YOU’VE SURELY SEEN, LINDSEY GRAHAM. GRAHAM.>>I THINK HE’S A KOOK.>>I THINK HE’S A KOOK. I THINK HE’S CRAZY. I THINK HE’S CRAZY. I THINK HE’S UNFIT FOR OFFICE. I THINK HE’S UNFIT FOR OFFICE.>>I AM LIKE AT HAPPIEST DUDE IN>>I AM LIKE AT HAPPIEST DUDE IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW. AMERICA RIGHT NOW. WE’VE GOT A PRESIDENT AND A WE’VE GOT A PRESIDENT AND A NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM THAT I’VE NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM THAT I’VE BEEN DREAMING OF. BEEN DREAMING OF. I AM ALL IN, KEEP IT UP DONALD. I AM ALL IN, KEEP IT UP DONALD.>>THAT DOESN’T ADD UP.>>THAT DOESN’T ADD UP. YOU CAN’T BE HAPPY ABOUT A “THE YOU CAN’T BE HAPPY ABOUT A “THE CRAZY KOOK” BEING PRESIDENT. CRAZY KOOK” BEING PRESIDENT. GRAHAM WORKS WITH TRUMP A LOT GRAHAM WORKS WITH TRUMP A LOT THESE DAYS. THESE DAYS. . . OTHER REPUBLICANS HAVE GONE OTHER REPUBLICANS HAVE GONE FURTHER FROM RUNNING AGAINST HIM FURTHER FROM RUNNING AGAINST HIM TO WORKING FOR HIM. TO WORKING FOR HIM.>>DONALD TRUMP’S CANDIDACY IS A>>DONALD TRUMP’S CANDIDACY IS A CANCER ON CONSERVATISM, A TOXIC CANCER ON CONSERVATISM, A TOXIC MIX OF DEMAGOGUERY AND MEAN MIX OF DEMAGOGUERY AND MEAN SPIRITEDNESS AND NONSENSE. SPIRITEDNESS AND NONSENSE.>>MY HAT’S OFF TO THE FOR>>MY HAT’S OFF TO THE FOR TAKING THAT SAND AND FOR SENDING TAKING THAT SAND AND FOR SENDING A CLEAR MESSAGE AROUND THE A CLEAR MESSAGE AROUND THE WORLD. WORLD.>>THEN THERE’S THE FORMER TRUMP>>THEN THERE’S THE FORMER TRUMP CRITIC AT THE WHITE HOT CENTER CRITIC AT THE WHITE HOT CENTER OF THIS WHITE HOUSE OCCUPYING A OF THIS WHITE HOUSE OCCUPYING A HUB OF TRUMP CHAOS, THE SAME HUB OF TRUMP CHAOS, THE SAME POSITION FILLED AND VACATED BY POSITION FILLED AND VACATED BY REINCE PRIEBUS AND JOHN KELLY. REINCE PRIEBUS AND JOHN KELLY. I’M TALKING ABOUT ACTING CHIEF I’M TALKING ABOUT ACTING CHIEF OF STAFF MICK MULL MULVANEY. OF STAFF MICK MULL MULVANEY.>>YES, I’M SUPPORTING DONALD>>YES, I’M SUPPORTING DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP. I’M DOING SO AS ENTHUSIASTICALLY I’M DOING SO AS ENTHUSIASTICALLY AS I CAN GIVEN THE FACT HE’S A AS I CAN GIVEN THE FACT HE’S A TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING. TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING. THE CHOICE ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THE CHOICE ON THE OTHER SIDE IS JUST AS BAD. JUST AS BAD.>>THERE’S ALL KINDS OF STUFF>>THERE’S ALL KINDS OF STUFF GOING ON. GOING ON. IT’S WILD THAT THIS IS THE STATE IT’S WILD THAT THIS IS THE STATE OF FEDERAL STAFFING. OF FEDERAL STAFFING. AND IT’S LIKE THE 12th MOST AND IT’S LIKE THE 12th MOST PROMINENT STORY TO THINK ABOUT. PROMINENT STORY TO THINK ABOUT. THIS IS NOT NORMAL AND IT’S THIS IS NOT NORMAL AND IT’S TELLING. TELLING. DONALD TRUMP IS NOT KNOWN TO FIB DONALD TRUMP IS NOT KNOWN TO FIB GRUNLS OR OVERLOOK THESE KIND OF GRUNLS OR OVERLOOK THESE KIND OF THINGS BUT HE’S SO DESPERATE FOR THINGS BUT HE’S SO DESPERATE FOR BODIES IN AN ADMINISTRATION WITH BODIES IN AN ADMINISTRATION WITH RECORD BREAKING TURNOVER, HE’S RECORD BREAKING TURNOVER, HE’S HIRED OR TEAMED UP WITH PEOPLE HIRED OR TEAMED UP WITH PEOPLE WHO CALL HIM A KOOK AND CRAZY, WHO CALL HIM A KOOK AND CRAZY, UNFIT FOR OFFICE. UNFIT FOR OFFICE. A CANCER ON CONSERVATISM. A CANCER ON CONSERVATISM. A TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING. A TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING. THEY ALSO SAY HE’S NOT A VERY THEY ALSO SAY HE’S NOT A VERY GOOD PERSON. GOOD PERSON. THEY DON’T PARTICULARLY LIKE HIM THEY DON’T PARTICULARLY LIKE HIM AND HE SAYS DISGUSTING AND AND HE SAYS DISGUSTING AND INDEFENSIBLE THINGS. INDEFENSIBLE THINGS. WHAT ELSE? WHAT ELSE? HE’S ACTUALLY THE MOST FLAWED HE’S ACTUALLY THE MOST FLAWED HUMAN BEING RUNNING FOR HUMAN BEING RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN HISTORY. PRESIDENT IN HISTORY. THIS IS A LOT OF VERY CLEAR THIS IS A LOT OF VERY CLEAR CHARACTER REJECTION. CHARACTER REJECTION. IT’S NOT POLICY DISAGREEMENT. IT’S NOT POLICY DISAGREEMENT. IT’S AN PROP BRIIAM FOR WHO HE IT’S AN PROP BRIIAM FOR WHO HE IS. IS. ALL THOSE LAST QUOTES ARE ALL ALL THOSE LAST QUOTES ARE ALL FROM MICK MULVANEY NOW BEST FROM MICK MULVANEY NOW BEST KNOWN FOR DEFENDING TRUMP ON THE KNOWN FOR DEFENDING TRUMP ON THE SUNDAY SHOWS ABOUT EVERYTHING. SUNDAY SHOWS ABOUT EVERYTHING.>>HE PUSHES BACK, HE FIGHTS>>HE PUSHES BACK, HE FIGHTS BACK WHEN HE FEELS LIKE HE’S BACK WHEN HE FEELS LIKE HE’S ATTACKED. ATTACKED. HE HAS ZERO TO DO WITH RACE. HE HAS ZERO TO DO WITH RACE.>>TO BE CLEAR, YOU BELIEVE>>TO BE CLEAR, YOU BELIEVE DEMOCRATS WILL NEVER SEE THE DEMOCRATS WILL NEVER SEE THE PRESIDENT’S TAX RETURNS? PRESIDENT’S TAX RETURNS? INTO NO, NEVER. INTO NO, NEVER. NOR SHOULD THEY. NOR SHOULD THEY. MR. MUELLER FOUND NO COLLUSION MR. MUELLER FOUND NO COLLUSION AND NO OBSTRUCTION. AND NO OBSTRUCTION.>>NOT A CRIME.>>NOT A CRIME. WHAT ABOUT THE ETHICS OR MORE WHAT ABOUT THE ETHICS OR MORE RAFLT THOSE THINGS? RAFLT THOSE THINGS?>>AGAIN, THE ISSUE IS NOT>>AGAIN, THE ISSUE IS NOT WHETHER IT’S ETHICAL. WHETHER IT’S ETHICAL.>>DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THAT>>DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS OFFENSIVE TO THE AMERICANS IS OFFENSIVE TO THE AMERICANS WHO DO LIVE THERE. WHO DO LIVE THERE.>>I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING>>I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING THAT DONALD TRUMP SAYS IS THAT DONALD TRUMP SAYS IS OFFENSIVE TO SOME PEOPLE. OFFENSIVE TO SOME PEOPLE.>>MULVANEY HAS HAD TO TURN ON>>MULVANEY HAS HAD TO TURN ON HIS OPPOSITION 0 TRUMP BUT A LOT HIS OPPOSITION 0 TRUMP BUT A LOT OF OTHER CONSERVATIVES HAVE, OF OTHER CONSERVATIVES HAVE, TOO. TOO. THEY SAID YOU HAVE TO HOLD YOUR THEY SAID YOU HAVE TO HOLD YOUR NOSE TO GET POLICY OUT OF THIS NOSE TO GET POLICY OUT OF THIS WHITE HOUSE. WHITE HOUSE. EVANGELICALS SUPPORTED HIM EVANGELICALS SUPPORTED HIM BECAUSE OF THE SUPREME COURT AND BECAUSE OF THE SUPREME COURT AND THEY GOT TWO JUSTICES. THEY GOT TWO JUSTICES. ARE FOR MULVANEY THIS IS ARE FOR MULVANEY THIS IS DIFFERENT. DIFFERENT. DONALD TRUMP IS EXPLODING THE DONALD TRUMP IS EXPLODING THE DEFICIT THIS MONTH. DEFICIT THIS MONTH. IT’S REACHING CLOSE TO A IT’S REACHING CLOSE TO A TRILLION DOLLARS MULVANEY’S TRILLION DOLLARS MULVANEY’S ENTIRE POLICY AGENDA IN CONGRESS ENTIRE POLICY AGENDA IN CONGRESS WAS CUTTING THE DEFICIT. WAS CUTTING THE DEFICIT. EVEN WHEN THAT PLANET GOING EVEN WHEN THAT PLANET GOING AFTER OTHER REPUBLICANS HE AFTER OTHER REPUBLICANS HE ROASTED THE GOP BUDGET IN 2015 ROASTED THE GOP BUDGET IN 2015 SAYING THERE’S NO HONEST WAY TO SAYING THERE’S NO HONEST WAY TO JUSTIFY IT. JUSTIFY IT. WHATEVER YOU THINK ABOUT THAT WHATEVER YOU THINK ABOUT THAT DEFICIT TALK, IT WAS MULVANEY’S DEFICIT TALK, IT WAS MULVANEY’S THING FROM HIS FIRST DAYS IN THING FROM HIS FIRST DAYS IN OFFICE. OFFICE.>>I’M MICK MULVANEY FROM SOUTH>>I’M MICK MULVANEY FROM SOUTH CAROLINA. CAROLINA. I CAN’T TELL YOU HOW EXCITED I CAN’T TELL YOU HOW EXCITED ABOUT THESE PROPOSALS. ABOUT THESE PROPOSALS. I THINK ANYBODY UP TO SPEED ON I THINK ANYBODY UP TO SPEED ON BUDGET ISSUES SHOULD BE SCARED BUDGET ISSUES SHOULD BE SCARED TO DEATH WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH TO DEATH WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH THE DEBT ANDDEFICIT IN THIS THE DEBT ANDDEFICIT IN THIS COUNTRY. COUNTRY.>>CUTTING SPENDING WAS SO>>CUTTING SPENDING WAS SO IMPORTANT IN 2013, HE TRIED TO IMPORTANT IN 2013, HE TRIED TO KILL EMERGENCY RELIEF FOR VIPS KILL EMERGENCY RELIEF FOR VIPS OF HURRICANE SANDY DEMANDING IT OF HURRICANE SANDY DEMANDING IT WILL TO BE IMMEDIATELY OFFSET BY WILL TO BE IMMEDIATELY OFFSET BY BUDGET CUTS. BUDGET CUTS. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY WE’RE TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY FUNDS HERE. FUNDS HERE.>>IS THE FUTURE OF ALL AID>>IS THE FUTURE OF ALL AID AFTER A NATURAL DISASTER NOW THE AFTER A NATURAL DISASTER NOW THE CONTINGENT, IN YOUR VIEW, ON CONTINGENT, IN YOUR VIEW, ON CORRESPONDING CUTS? CORRESPONDING CUTS?>>WELL, I THINK IT IS UNTIL WE>>WELL, I THINK IT IS UNTIL WE GET OUR FISCAL HOUSE IN ORDER. GET OUR FISCAL HOUSE IN ORDER.>>GET THAT HOUSE IN ORDER.>>GET THAT HOUSE IN ORDER. DID ANY OF THIS CHANGE WHEN HE DID ANY OF THIS CHANGE WHEN HE WAS HIRED TO RUN TRUMP’S WAS HIRED TO RUN TRUMP’S DEBT-BUSTING GOVERNMENT? DEBT-BUSTING GOVERNMENT? NOT OFFICIALLY. NOT OFFICIALLY. EVEN IN HIS CONFIRMATION HEARING EVEN IN HIS CONFIRMATION HEARING UNDER OATH, HE CLAIMED HE WAS UNDER OATH, HE CLAIMED HE WAS STILL TRYING TO ADDRESS THE STILL TRYING TO ADDRESS THE DEBT. DEBT.>>I BELIEVE AS A MATTER OF>>I BELIEVE AS A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE THAT THE DEBT IS A PRINCIPLE THAT THE DEBT IS A PROBLEM THAT MUST BE ADDRESSED PROBLEM THAT MUST BE ADDRESSED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.>>HOW DOES HE JUSTIFY WORKING>>HOW DOES HE JUSTIFY WORKING FOR A PRESIDENT SPENDING MONEY FOR A PRESIDENT SPENDING MONEY ON THINGS HE CAN’T PAY FOR ON THINGS HE CAN’T PAY FOR INCLUDING THE TAX CUTS WHICH MAY INCLUDING THE TAX CUTS WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT AFFECT THE RECESSION. OR MAY NOT AFFECT THE RECESSION. MULVANEY WAS ASKED IF THE MULVANEY WAS ASKED IF THE DEFICIT WOULD BE MENTIONED AND DEFICIT WOULD BE MENTIONED AND HE SAID NOBODY CARES. HE SAID NOBODY CARES. DOES HE HAVE LOW SELF-ESTEEM? DOES HE HAVE LOW SELF-ESTEEM? I’M HERE TO TELL YOU, YOU’RE NOT I’M HERE TO TELL YOU, YOU’RE NOT NOBODY. NOBODY. YOU’RE SOMEBODY. YOU’RE SOMEBODY. YOU SPENT YEARS CARING OR YOU SPENT YEARS CARING OR PRETENDING TO CARE ALONG WITH PRETENDING TO CARE ALONG WITH PAUL RYAN AND THE TEA PARTY. PAUL RYAN AND THE TEA PARTY. WAS IT A LIE? WAS IT A LIE? IN THE TIMES THIS QUESTION HAS IN THE TIMES THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN RAISED, HE SAYS THIS IS BEEN RAISED, HE SAYS THIS IS JUST ADJUSTING TO THE BELTWAY. JUST ADJUSTING TO THE BELTWAY.>>YOU IT’S NOT HYPOCRITICAL.>>YOU IT’S NOT HYPOCRITICAL. IT’S SIMPLY ADJUSTING TO THE IT’S SIMPLY ADJUSTING TO THE WASHINGTON, D.C. THAT WE LIVE WASHINGTON, D.C. THAT WE LIVE IN. IN. I WILL ALWAYS BE A DEFICIT HAWK. I WILL ALWAYS BE A DEFICIT HAWK. I AM TODAY, I WAS YESTERDAY, AND I AM TODAY, I WAS YESTERDAY, AND WILL BE TOMORROW. WILL BE TOMORROW. BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT SPENDING BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT SPENDING A BUNCH OF MONEY THAT WE REASON A BUNCH OF MONEY THAT WE REASON THE IS WRONG. THE IS WRONG. I’M JUST TELLING YOU THAT THIS I’M JUST TELLING YOU THAT THIS IS THE CARDS THAT WE’VE BEEN IS THE CARDS THAT WE’VE BEEN DEALT AS THE ADMINISTRATION. DEALT AS THE ADMINISTRATION.>>THE CARDS WE’VE BEEN DEALT.>>THE CARDS WE’VE BEEN DEALT. WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS TO YOU WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS TO YOU OUT OF YOUR CONTROL, THOSE ARE OUT OF YOUR CONTROL, THOSE ARE THE CARDS. THE CARDS. MAKE DO WITH WHAT YOU CAN’T MAKE DO WITH WHAT YOU CAN’T CONTROL. CONTROL. HE WASN’T DEALT THESE CARDS. HE WASN’T DEALT THESE CARDS. HE RAN FOR OFFICE, WON A SEAT, HE RAN FOR OFFICE, WON A SEAT, RESIGNED TO TAKE THIS JOB. RESIGNED TO TAKE THIS JOB. SO WHEN YOU GET INTO THIS LEVEL SO WHEN YOU GET INTO THIS LEVEL OF DEPTH AND THIS STUFF IS SUPER OF DEPTH AND THIS STUFF IS SUPER IMPORTANT TO WHERE WE’RE HEADED IMPORTANT TO WHERE WE’RE HEADED REMEMBER, YOU CAN’T UNDERSTAND REMEMBER, YOU CAN’T UNDERSTAND THIS STORY JUST BY LISTENING TO THIS STORY JUST BY LISTENING TO MULVANEY’SAL SXWRINZ DIG DEEPER. MULVANEY’SAL SXWRINZ DIG DEEPER. ACCORDING TO SOMEONE WHO HAS ACCORDING TO SOMEONE WHO HAS STUDIED THIS, TO UNDERSTAND MICK STUDIED THIS, TO UNDERSTAND MICK MULVANEY YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND MULVANEY YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND MIKE TYSON’S FAMOUS FACE TATTOO. MIKE TYSON’S FAMOUS FACE TATTOO. TIM ALBERTA WROTE AFTER THE TIM ALBERTA WROTE AFTER THE ELECTION DAY MULVANEY REALIZED ELECTION DAY MULVANEY REALIZED AFTER BASH AGTRUMP HE HAD TO AFTER BASH AGTRUMP HE HAD TO COZY UP TO HIM BECAUSE HE WAS COZY UP TO HIM BECAUSE HE WAS OBSESSED WITH POWER. OBSESSED WITH POWER. ALBERTA WRITES HE WORE HIS ALBERTA WRITES HE WORE HIS AMBITION AS SUBTLY AS A MIKE AMBITION AS SUBTLY AS A MIKE TYSON FACE TATTOO, UPON COMING TYSON FACE TATTOO, UPON COMING TO CONGRESS HE MADE FEW DOUBT HE TO CONGRESS HE MADE FEW DOUBT HE WAS THE SMARTEST MAN THERE AND WAS THE SMARTEST MAN THERE AND DESTINED FOR MORE. DESTINED FOR MORE. THE VALUES, PLEDGES, HE WRITES THE VALUES, PLEDGES, HE WRITES MULVANEY CHUCKED OUT THE WINDOW MULVANEY CHUCKED OUT THE WINDOW WATCHING TRUMP, READING THE ART” WATCHING TRUMP, READING THE ART” OF THE DEAL,” I VENNED A THEER OF THE DEAL,” I VENNED A THEER HOW HAD TO INGRATIATE HIMSELF. HOW HAD TO INGRATIATE HIMSELF. HE WOULD DO WHAT PAUL RYAN HAD HE WOULD DO WHAT PAUL RYAN HAD DONE, SELL TRUMP ON THE VALUE HE DONE, SELL TRUMP ON THE VALUE HE BROUGHT TO THE TEAM. BROUGHT TO THE TEAM. IT WORKED. IT WORKED. TRUMP NAMED HIM BUDGET DIRECTOR TRUMP NAMED HIM BUDGET DIRECTOR WITHIN A MONTH AND NOTICE THE WITHIN A MONTH AND NOTICE THE WORDS THAT WERE USED THERE, SELL WORDS THAT WERE USED THERE, SELL TO TRUMP. TO TRUMP. WHICH FOR MULVANEY MEANT SELLING WHICH FOR MULVANEY MEANT SELLING OFF HIS PAST GOALS, HE DIDN’T OFF HIS PAST GOALS, HE DIDN’T BELIEVE THAT HE SAID, NOT ABOUT BELIEVE THAT HE SAID, NOT ABOUT THE GOP, NOT ABOUT DEFICITS, NOT THE GOP, NOT ABOUT DEFICITS, NOT ABOUT THE TRUMP. ABOUT THE TRUMP. IN OTHER WORDS SELLING OUT. IN OTHER WORDS SELLING OUT. SOME MIGHT LOOK DOWN ON A JOB SOME MIGHT LOOK DOWN ON A JOB APPLICANT WILLING TO DO THAT. APPLICANT WILLING TO DO THAT. TRUMP LIKES IT. TRUMP LIKES IT. IT REINFORCES HIS WORLD VIEW IT REINFORCES HIS WORLD VIEW THAT NOBODY BELIEVES ANYTHING. THAT NOBODY BELIEVES ANYTHING. MULVANEY SOLD OUT OR AS CASHOUT MULVANEY SOLD OUT OR AS CASHOUT EXPLAINS ON HIS SONG “CASHING EXPLAINS ON HIS SONG “CASHING OUT,” I’M CASHING OUT, SKATE ON OUT,” I’M CASHING OUT, SKATE ON MY ICE JUST LIKE YOU PLAYING MY ICE JUST LIKE YOU PLAYING HOCKEY. HOCKEY. GRAB YOUR CAMCORDER, PRESS GRAB YOUR CAMCORDER, PRESS RECORD AND GO AND WATCH ME. RECORD AND GO AND WATCH ME. YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT ENTREPRENEURS TO CASH OUT MORE ENTREPRENEURS TO CASH OUT MORE THAN PUBLIC SERVANTS. THAN PUBLIC SERVANTS. MULVANEY IS CLEARLY FINE CASHING MULVANEY IS CLEARLY FINE CASHING OUT HIS BLEE BELIEFS FOR THE OUT HIS BLEE BELIEFS FOR THE CURRENCY OF POWER. CURRENCY OF POWER. TO PARAPHRASE CASH OUT ONE MORE TO PARAPHRASE CASH OUT ONE MORE TIME, LET’S PRESS RECORD AND TIME, LET’S PRESS RECORD AND WATCH HIM BECAUSE HE SURE WATCH HIM BECAUSE HE SURE DOESN’T SOUND LIKE HE USED TO. DOESN’T SOUND LIKE HE USED TO.>>I THINK ANYBODY WHO IS UP TO>>I THINK ANYBODY WHO IS UP TO SPEED ON BUDGET ISSUES SHOULD BE SPEED ON BUDGET ISSUES SHOULD BE SCARED TO DEATH BY WHAT’S SCARED TO DEATH BY WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH THE DEBT AND THE

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>>WHAT A STORY. AARON BASKERVILLE FROM NBC 10 ON AARON BASKERVILLE FROM NBC 10 ON THE PHONE WITH US FROM THE SCENE THE PHONE WITH US FROM THE SCENE IN PHILADELPHIA. IN PHILADELPHIA.>>>ALL RIGHT.>>>ALL RIGHT. TURNING NOW TO A NEW LAW THAT TURNING NOW TO A NEW LAW THAT JUST WENT INTO A EFFECT IN NEW JUST WENT INTO A EFFECT IN NEW YORK STATE. YORK STATE. STARTING TODAY, CHILDHOOD STARTING TODAY, CHILDHOOD VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE CAN SUE VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE CAN SUE THERAPY PERPETRATORS. THERAPY PERPETRATORS. THE LAW, THE CHILD VICTIMS ACT THE LAW, THE CHILD VICTIMS ACT APPLIES TO VICTIMS WHO WERE APPLIES TO VICTIMS WHO WERE PREVIOUSLY BARRED FROM SUING DUE PREVIOUSLY BARRED FROM SUING DUE TO THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS. TO THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS. THE LAW GIVES VICTIMS ONE YEAR THE LAW GIVES VICTIMS ONE YEAR TO FILE THOSE CASES STARTING TO FILE THOSE CASES STARTING TODAY. TODAY. AS OF THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS AS OF THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS TODAY, 427 CASES WERE FILED TODAY, 427 CASES WERE FILED PURSUANT TO THE CHILD VICTIMS PURSUANT TO THE CHILD VICTIMS ACT. ACT. ACCORDING TO A TALLY BY NBC ACCORDING TO A TALLY BY NBC NEWS. NEWS. THE DEFENDANTS IN THOSE LAWSUITS THE DEFENDANTS IN THOSE LAWSUITS INCLUDE THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INCLUDE THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, THE BOY SCOUTS, AND THE CHURCH, THE BOY SCOUTS, AND THE LATE JEFFREY EPSTEIN. LATE JEFFREY EPSTEIN.>>I JUST DID WHAT HE TOLD ME TO>>I JUST DID WHAT HE TOLD ME TO DO. DO. I WAS REALLY SCARED. I WAS REALLY SCARED. I DIDN’T NECESSARILY THINK HE I DIDN’T NECESSARILY THINK HE WAS GOING TO RAPE ME. WAS GOING TO RAPE ME.>>DID HE HOLD YOU THERE?>>DID HE HOLD YOU THERE?>>YEAH.>>YEAH. UH-HUH. UH-HUH.>>DID JEFFREY EPSTEIN RAPE YOU?>>DID JEFFREY EPSTEIN RAPE YOU?>>YEAH, NO.>>YEAH, NO. HE RAPED ME. HE RAPED ME. FORCEFULLY RAPED ME. FORCEFULLY RAPED ME. KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING. KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING.>>TODAY THAT INDIVIDUAL,>>TODAY THAT INDIVIDUAL, GENERAL ARAOZ FILED ONE OF THE GENERAL ARAOZ FILED ONE OF THE FIRST CIVIL LAWSUITS AGAINST THE FIRST CIVIL LAWSUITS AGAINST THE ESTATE OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN SAYING ESTATE OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN SAYING HE RAPED HER WHEN SHE WAS 15 HE RAPED HER WHEN SHE WAS 15 YEARS OLD AND ALLEGING HIS YEARS OLD AND ALLEGING HIS CO-CONSPIRATORS GROOMED HER FOR CO-CONSPIRATORS GROOMED HER FOR SEX WHEN SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD AS SEX WHEN SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD AS PART OF HIS SEX TRAFFICKING PART OF HIS SEX TRAFFICKING RING. RING. THE CO-CONSPIRATORS ALLEGED IN THE CO-CONSPIRATORS ALLEGED IN THE LAWSUIT INCLUDE GHISLAINE THE LAWSUIT INCLUDE GHISLAINE MAXWELL, MR. EPSTEIN’S LONG-TIME MAXWELL, MR. EPSTEIN’S LONG-TIME CONFIDENT AND JANE DOES ONE CONFIDENT AND JANE DOES ONE THROUGH THREE WHO ARE THREE THROUGH THREE WHO ARE THREE UNNAMED HOUSEHOLD STAFFERS UNNAMED HOUSEHOLD STAFFERS REFERRED TO IN THE LAWSUIT AS REFERRED TO IN THE LAWSUIT AS THE RECRUITER, THE SECRETARY, THE RECRUITER, THE SECRETARY, AND THE MAID. AND THE MAID. ADDITIONAL CIVIL SUITS AGAINST ADDITIONAL CIVIL SUITS AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S ESTATE ARE JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S ESTATE ARE LIKELY. LIKELY. DESPITE HIS DEATH, THE CRIMINAL DESPITE HIS DEATH, THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION INTO HIS ALLEGED INVESTIGATION INTO HIS ALLEGED CO-CONSPIRATORS IS ONGOING. CO-CONSPIRATORS IS ONGOING. THAT CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION BY THAT CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IS OVERSEEN BY THE JUSTICE YORK IS OVERSEEN BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND ATTORNEY GENERAL DEPARTMENT AND ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR. WILLIAM BARR. OUR NEXT GUEST, FORMER U.S. OUR NEXT GUEST, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY JOYCE VANCE HAS CALLED ATTORNEY JOYCE VANCE HAS CALLED ON BARR TO RECUSE HIMSELF WITH ON BARR TO RECUSE HIMSELF WITH REGARD TO THE EPSTEIN REGARD TO THE EPSTEIN INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION. JOYCE VANCE IS ALSO AN MSNBC JOYCE VANCE IS ALSO AN MSNBC LEGAL ANALYST. LEGAL ANALYST. SHE JOINS US NOW. SHE JOINS US NOW. JOYCE, WHAT’S THE BASIS ON WHICH JOYCE, WHAT’S THE BASIS ON WHICH YOU ARE CALLING FOR WILLIAM BARR YOU ARE CALLING FOR WILLIAM BARR TO RECUSE HIMSELF? TO RECUSE HIMSELF?>>SO I SHOULD BE CLEAR, ALI>>SO I SHOULD BE CLEAR, ALI THAT I DON’T MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT I DON’T MAKE THE ARGUMENT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT BARR IS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT BARR IS ACTUALLY GOING TO RECUSE. ACTUALLY GOING TO RECUSE. I THINK THE SAD REALITY HERE IS I THINK THE SAD REALITY HERE IS THAT HE WON’T, BUT THE REASON HE THAT HE WON’T, BUT THE REASON HE SHOULD RECUSE IS BECAUSE HE HAS SHOULD RECUSE IS BECAUSE HE HAS BOTH CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, BOTH CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, CONFLICTS THAT HE HAS APPARENTLY CONFLICTS THAT HE HAS APPARENTLY DECIDED DON’T WARRANT RECUSAL, DECIDED DON’T WARRANT RECUSAL, BUT ALSO THOSE CONFLICTS GIVE BUT ALSO THOSE CONFLICTS GIVE RISE TO AN APPEARANCE OF RISE TO AN APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY. IMPROPRIETY. THAT MEANS THAT PEOPLE IN THE THAT MEANS THAT PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC CAN’T HAVE CONFIDENCE PUBLIC CAN’T HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT HE’S A NEUTRAL THAT HE’S A NEUTRAL DECISION-MAKER. DECISION-MAKER. AND WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE LIKE AND WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE LIKE THAT IN A POSITION OF CONTROL THAT IN A POSITION OF CONTROL OVER AN IMPORTANT INVESTIGATION OVER AN IMPORTANT INVESTIGATION LIKE THE ONE INTO EPSTEIN’S LIKE THE ONE INTO EPSTEIN’S DEATH AND THE ONGOING CRIMINAL DEATH AND THE ONGOING CRIMINAL CASES, IT CAUSES THE PUBLIC TO CASES, IT CAUSES THE PUBLIC TO LOSE CONFIDENCE IN THE JUSTICE LOSE CONFIDENCE IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. DEPARTMENT. DOJ’S ALREADY STRETCHED TOO DOJ’S ALREADY STRETCHED TOO THIN. THIN. WE CAN’T AFFORD TO HAVE ANY MORE WE CAN’T AFFORD TO HAVE ANY MORE LOSS IN ITS REMGS AND INTEGRITY. LOSS IN ITS REMGS AND INTEGRITY.>>WHAT’S THE CONFLICT THAT YOU>>WHAT’S THE CONFLICT THAT YOU SEE THAT HE’S GOT? SEE THAT HE’S GOT?>>YOU KNOW, HE HAS A NUMBER OF>>YOU KNOW, HE HAS A NUMBER OF CONFLICTS STARTING WITH THE FACT CONFLICTS STARTING WITH THE FACT THAT AT HIS CONFIRMATION HEARING THAT AT HIS CONFIRMATION HEARING HE INDICATED THAT HIS FORMER LAW HE INDICATED THAT HIS FORMER LAW FIRM HAD DONE SOME WORK ON FIRM HAD DONE SOME WORK ON BEHALF OF EPSTEIN, AND HE WOULD BEHALF OF EPSTEIN, AND HE WOULD LOOK INTO WHETHER THAT WARRANTED LOOK INTO WHETHER THAT WARRANTED RECUSAL. RECUSAL. BUT ALSO, ALEX ACOSTA, HIS BUT ALSO, ALEX ACOSTA, HIS FORMER COLLEAGUE, THE FORMER FORMER COLLEAGUE, THE FORMER LABOR SECRETARY WAS INVOLVED IN LABOR SECRETARY WAS INVOLVED IN THE PLEA AGREEMENT DOWN IN THE PLEA AGREEMENT DOWN IN FLORIDA FOR ACOSTA, WHICH HAS FLORIDA FOR ACOSTA, WHICH HAS CAUSED SO MUCH CONCERN. CAUSED SO MUCH CONCERN. THEIR RELATIONSHIP CERTAINLY IS THEIR RELATIONSHIP CERTAINLY IS SOME FORM OF A CONFLICT. SOME FORM OF A CONFLICT. AND THEN WE HAVE THIS REALLY AND THEN WE HAVE THIS REALLY CURIOUS FAMILY DETAIL THAT THE CURIOUS FAMILY DETAIL THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S FATHER HIRED ATTORNEY GENERAL’S FATHER HIRED A VERY YOUNG JEFFREY EPSTEIN A VERY YOUNG JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHEN HE WAS A COLLEGE DROP-OUT WHEN HE WAS A COLLEGE DROP-OUT TO TEACH CALCULUS AND PHYSICS AT TO TEACH CALCULUS AND PHYSICS AT THE PREP SCHOOL THAT HE WAS THE THE PREP SCHOOL THAT HE WAS THE HEAD MASTER OF IN NEW YORK CITY. HEAD MASTER OF IN NEW YORK CITY. EVEN IF THESE AREN’T A FORMAL EVEN IF THESE AREN’T A FORMAL RECUSAL CONFLICT ISSUE, IN RECUSAL CONFLICT ISSUE, IN COMBINATION, THEY CREATE SUCH AN COMBINATION, THEY CREATE SUCH AN APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY, THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SHOULD HAVE ATTORNEY GENERAL SHOULD HAVE STEPPED AWAY AND LET THE DEPUTY STEPPED AWAY AND LET THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL OR SOMEONE ELSE ATTORNEY GENERAL OR SOMEONE ELSE OVERSEE THIS MATTER. OVERSEE THIS MATTER.>>REPUBLICAN SENATOR BEN SASSE>>REPUBLICAN SENATOR BEN SASSE HAS CALLED UPON THE DEPARTMENT HAS CALLED UPON THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO TAKE THAT DEAL OF JUSTICE TO TAKE THAT DEAL THAT WAS CUT IN FLORIDA, THE ONE THAT WAS CUT IN FLORIDA, THE ONE THAT LED UP THE INVESTIGATION THAT LED UP THE INVESTIGATION INTO THAT REPORTING FROM THE INTO THAT REPORTING FROM THE “MIAMI HERALD” AND RIP IT UP. “MIAMI HERALD” AND RIP IT UP. TELL ME ABOUT THAT. TELL ME ABOUT THAT. IS THAT EVEN DOABLE? IS THAT EVEN DOABLE?>>WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN>>WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN HERE IS A FULL-ON INVESTIGATION HERE IS A FULL-ON INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT HAPPENED, AND PERHAPS INTO WHAT HAPPENED, AND PERHAPS AN INVESTIGATION BY THE OFFICE AN INVESTIGATION BY THE OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. YOU CAN’T REALLY BE THE YOU CAN’T REALLY BE THE GOVERNMENT AND RIP UP A PLEA GOVERNMENT AND RIP UP A PLEA AGREEMENT DOWN THE ROAD IN THE AGREEMENT DOWN THE ROAD IN THE ABSENCE OF VERY UNUSUAL ABSENCE OF VERY UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES. CIRCUMSTANCES.>>BECAUSE THAT AFFECTS YOUR>>BECAUSE THAT AFFECTS YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE OTHER DEALS? ABILITY TO MAKE OTHER DEALS?>>WELL, IT DOES.>>WELL, IT DOES. AND ALSO THE RULES OF CRIMINAL AND ALSO THE RULES OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE VERY STRONGLY FAVOR PROCEDURE VERY STRONGLY FAVOR THE FINALITY OF PLEA AGREEMENTS. THE FINALITY OF PLEA AGREEMENTS. SO YOU CAN’T WALK IN DOWN THE SO YOU CAN’T WALK IN DOWN THE ROAD A DECADE LATER AND SAY I ROAD A DECADE LATER AND SAY I TAKE IT BACK. TAKE IT BACK. BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT IF BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT IF YOU’RE SOMEONE WHO IS ENGAGED IN YOU’RE SOMEONE WHO IS ENGAGED IN CRIMINAL CONDUCT THAT YOU CAN’T CRIMINAL CONDUCT THAT YOU CAN’T BE PROSECUTED. BE PROSECUTED. IN THIS CASE, OTHER FEDERAL IN THIS CASE, OTHER FEDERAL DISTRICTS OR EVEN BY STATE DISTRICTS OR EVEN BY STATE JURISDICTION. JURISDICTION. SO IT’S NOT LIKE THE GOVERNMENT SO IT’S NOT LIKE THE GOVERNMENT IS WITHOUT A WAY OF DEALING WITH IS WITHOUT A WAY OF DEALING WITH THE ERROR THAT WAS MADE IN THE THE ERROR THAT WAS MADE IN THE PLEA AGREEMENT OR WOULD HAVE PLEA AGREEMENT OR WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD EPSTEIN NOT DIED IN BEEN HAD EPSTEIN NOT DIED IN PRISON. PRISON.>>YOU KNOW, USUALLY PROSECUTORS>>YOU KNOW, USUALLY PROSECUTORS WHEN YOU’RE TRYING TO GET WHEN YOU’RE TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY THE HEAD OF SOMETHING SOMEBODY THE HEAD OF SOMETHING WORK YOUR WAY UP, YOU FIND WORK YOUR WAY UP, YOU FIND PEOPLE WHO ARE JUNIOR TO THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE JUNIOR TO THAT PERSON AND GET THEM TO TURN OR PERSON AND GET THEM TO TURN OR GET THEM TO SOMEHOW TESTIFY. GET THEM TO SOMEHOW TESTIFY. NOW IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE NOW IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE JEFFREY EPSTEIN IS GONE, WE HAVE JEFFREY EPSTEIN IS GONE, WE HAVE BEEN HEARING SINCE DAY ONE THAT BEEN HEARING SINCE DAY ONE THAT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS THING. IN THIS THING. DOES THE INVESTIGATION THAT WAS DOES THE INVESTIGATION THAT WAS UNDER WAY WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN, UNDER WAY WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN, DOES THAT DIE AND DOES THAT HAVE DOES THAT DIE AND DOES THAT HAVE TO START AGAIN? TO START AGAIN? AND WHY HASN’T SOMETHING AND WHY HASN’T SOMETHING HAPPENED ALREADY GIVEN THAT WE HAPPENED ALREADY GIVEN THAT WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSISTENTLY PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSISTENTLY REFERRED TO BY THESE ALLEGED REFERRED TO BY THESE ALLEGED VICTIMS? VICTIMS?>>SO IN A FEDERAL CASE, WHEN A>>SO IN A FEDERAL CASE, WHEN A DEFENDANT DIES A CRIMINAL CASE, DEFENDANT DIES A CRIMINAL CASE, THE PROSECUTION COMES TO AN END. THE PROSECUTION COMES TO AN END. THAT’S TRUE EVEN IF EPSTEIN HAD THAT’S TRUE EVEN IF EPSTEIN HAD BEEN CONVICTED AT TRIAL AND THE BEEN CONVICTED AT TRIAL AND THE CASE HAD BEEN ON APPEAL AND HE CASE HAD BEEN ON APPEAL AND HE DIED ON APPEAL. DIED ON APPEAL. THE DEATH OF A DEFENDANT SIGNALS THE DEATH OF A DEFENDANT SIGNALS THE END OF THAT CASE. THE END OF THAT CASE. AS YOU POINT OUT, THOUGH, AS YOU POINT OUT, THOUGH, EPSTEIN WAS CHARGED AS A EPSTEIN WAS CHARGED AS A CO-CONSPIRATOR IN A SEX CO-CONSPIRATOR IN A SEX TRAFFICKING CONSPIRACY. TRAFFICKING CONSPIRACY. PRESUMABLY THAT MEANS THERE ARE PRESUMABLY THAT MEANS THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE CRIMINALLY CULPABLE CRIMINALLY CULPABLE CONSPIRATORS. CONSPIRATORS. AND I EXPECT BASED ON THE AND I EXPECT BASED ON THE STATEMENT MADE BY THE U.S. STATEMENT MADE BY THE U.S. ATTORNEY AND SOUTHERN DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, THAT AT THE POINT OF NEW YORK, THAT AT THE POINT WHERE HE BELIEVES HE HAS WHERE HE BELIEVES HE HAS SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO CONVICT SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO CONVICT THOSE CO-CONSPIRATORS, HE THOSE CO-CONSPIRATORS, HE INTENDS TO MOVE FORWARD EVEN

New Border Facilities Holding More Than 8,000 Migrants | Morning Joe | MSNBC


ON “MORNING JOE.DEAL WITH THE AF WEEK’S I.C.E. RAIDS, THERE’S WEEK’S I.C.E. RAIDS, THERE’S ANOTHER STORY HAPPENING IN THE ANOTHER STORY HAPPENING IN THE DEEP SOUTH THAT’S BEEN TAKING DEEP SOUTH THAT’S BEEN TAKING PLACE ALMOST ENTIRELY OUT OF PLACE ALMOST ENTIRELY OUT OF SIGHT. SIGHT. MORE THAN 8,000 MIGRANTS ARE NOW MORE THAN 8,000 MIGRANTS ARE NOW DETAINED IN THE STATES OF DETAINED IN THE STATES OF LOUISIANA AND MISSISSIPPI. LOUISIANA AND MISSISSIPPI. NEARLY FOUR TIMES THE NUMBER NEARLY FOUR TIMES THE NUMBER HELD THERE LAST YEAR. HELD THERE LAST YEAR. MORGAN RADFORD HAS BEEN WORKING MORGAN RADFORD HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS STORY. ON THIS STORY. WHAT MORE CAN YOU TELL US? WHAT MORE CAN YOU TELL US?>>WE HAVE BEEN DIGGING INTO>>WE HAVE BEEN DIGGING INTO THIS STORY FOR OVER A MONTH AND THIS STORY FOR OVER A MONTH AND BASICALLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS BASICALLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THAT THE NEW FIGHT OVER THE THAT THE NEW FIGHT OVER THE BORDER IS NOW 600 MILES AWAY BORDER IS NOW 600 MILES AWAY FROM THE BORDER AND IT’S TAKING FROM THE BORDER AND IT’S TAKING PLACE INSIDE THE DEEP SOUTH. PLACE INSIDE THE DEEP SOUTH. AND THESE FACILITIES, 13 NEW AND THESE FACILITIES, 13 NEW FACILITIES IN LOUISIANA AND FACILITIES IN LOUISIANA AND MISSISSIPPI, ARE HOLDING NOW MISSISSIPPI, ARE HOLDING NOW 8,000 DETAINEES, BUT THE THING 8,000 DETAINEES, BUT THE THING IS, THESE FACILITIES ARE POPPING IS, THESE FACILITIES ARE POPPING UP SO QUICKLY AND SO QUIETLY UP SO QUICKLY AND SO QUIETLY THAT A LOT OF THE IMMIGRATION THAT A LOT OF THE IMMIGRATION ATTORNEYS AND FAMILY MEMBERS SAY ATTORNEYS AND FAMILY MEMBERS SAY THEY’RE LIKE BLACK HOLES. THEY’RE LIKE BLACK HOLES. THEY’RE PLACES WHERE THE THEY’RE PLACES WHERE THE DETAINEES ARE UNREACHABLE FOR DETAINEES ARE UNREACHABLE FOR MONTHS AND IN REMOTE AREAS AND MONTHS AND IN REMOTE AREAS AND BARELY ANYONE KNOWS THAT THEY’RE BARELY ANYONE KNOWS THAT THEY’RE THERE. THERE. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.>>Reporter: ALONG THE WINDING>>Reporter: ALONG THE WINDING ROADS OF THE AMERICAN DEEP ROADS OF THE AMERICAN DEEP SOUTH, THE IMMIGRATION BATTLE SOUTH, THE IMMIGRATION BATTLE HAS A NEW FRONT LINE. HAS A NEW FRONT LINE.>>SO THIS IS THE FACILITY WHERE>>SO THIS IS THE FACILITY WHERE HE’S STAYING. HE’S STAYING. THIS IS ADAMS COUNTY THIS IS ADAMS COUNTY CORRECTIONAL CENTER IN CORRECTIONAL CENTER IN MISSISSIPPI, A PRIVATE PRISON MISSISSIPPI, A PRIVATE PRISON NOW CONTRACTED TO IMMIGRATION NOW CONTRACTED TO IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT. AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT. WE ARE OUTSIDE OF ONE OF THE WE ARE OUTSIDE OF ONE OF THE DETENTION CENTERS HERE IN DETENTION CENTERS HERE IN MISSISSIPPI. MISSISSIPPI. IT’S MORE THAN ONE OF A DOZEN IT’S MORE THAN ONE OF A DOZEN SUCH FACILITIES IN LOIDSUISIANA SUCH FACILITIES IN LOIDSUISIANA MISSISSIPPI. MISSISSIPPI. NOW HOLDING MORE THAN 8,000 NOW HOLDING MORE THAN 8,000 I.C.E. DETAINEES, ACCORDING TO I.C.E. DETAINEES, ACCORDING TO NEW DATA SHARED BY I.C.E. WITH NEW DATA SHARED BY I.C.E. WITH NBC NEWS. NBC NEWS. THAT HAS BEEN HAS ALMOST KWAU THAT HAS BEEN HAS ALMOST KWAU DRUP LD. DRUP LD. THIS IS ONE OF EIGHT ATTORNEYS THIS IS ONE OF EIGHT ATTORNEYS IN LOUISIANA WHO ARE ABLE TO IN LOUISIANA WHO ARE ABLE TO REPRESENT ADULT DETAINEES FOR REPRESENT ADULT DETAINEES FOR FREE IN IMMIGRATION COURT. FREE IN IMMIGRATION COURT. THERE ARE NONE IN MISSISSIPPI. THERE ARE NONE IN MISSISSIPPI. THAT’S WHY SHE’S DRIVING ACROSS THAT’S WHY SHE’S DRIVING ACROSS STATE LINES TO VISIT HER CLIENT STATE LINES TO VISIT HER CLIENT DETAINED JUST BEHIND THESE DETAINED JUST BEHIND THESE WALLS. WALLS.>>HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE YOU TO>>HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE YOU TO GO SEE YOUR CLIENT? GO SEE YOUR CLIENT?>>THIS IS GOING TO TAKE US>>THIS IS GOING TO TAKE US ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF. ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF.>>EACH WAY.>>EACH WAY. SHE AND OTHER LAWYERS HAVE SHE AND OTHER LAWYERS HAVE REFERRED TO THE FACILITIES HAS REFERRED TO THE FACILITIES HAS BLACK HOLES WHERE THEY SAY BLACK HOLES WHERE THEY SAY DETAINEES CAN BE UNREACHABLE FOR DETAINEES CAN BE UNREACHABLE FOR DAYS AND DETAINED FOR MONTHS. DAYS AND DETAINED FOR MONTHS. A CLAIM THAT I.C.E. DISPUTES, A CLAIM THAT I.C.E. DISPUTES, SAYING IN A STATEMENT TO NBC SAYING IN A STATEMENT TO NBC NEWS, ANY CLAIM THAT I.C.E. NEWS, ANY CLAIM THAT I.C.E. DENIES INDIVIDUALS ACCESS TO DENIES INDIVIDUALS ACCESS TO LEGAL COUNSEL IS FALSE. LEGAL COUNSEL IS FALSE. ADDING, I.C.E. BEGAN USING NEW ADDING, I.C.E. BEGAN USING NEW FACILITIES IN LOUISIANA AND FACILITIES IN LOUISIANA AND MISSISSIPPI THIS YEAR TO HOUSE MISSISSIPPI THIS YEAR TO HOUSE THE INCREASED NUMBER OF PERSONS THE INCREASED NUMBER OF PERSONS ENCOUNTERED AT THE SOUTHERN ENCOUNTERED AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER. BORDER. FOR FAMILY MEMBERS, THE WEIGHT FOR FAMILY MEMBERS, THE WEIGHT IS UNBEARABLE. IS UNBEARABLE.>>Translator: IT’S LIKE YOU>>Translator: IT’S LIKE YOU ENTERED A CEMETERY, LIKE YOU ENTERED A CEMETERY, LIKE YOU DIED IN THERE. DIED IN THERE.>>HER BROTHER IS EMILY’S>>HER BROTHER IS EMILY’S CLIENT. CLIENT. ONCE A DOCTOR IN CUBA, HE FLED ONCE A DOCTOR IN CUBA, HE FLED POLITICAL PERSECUTION AND POLITICAL PERSECUTION AND PRESENTED HIMSELF AT THE BORDER PRESENTED HIMSELF AT THE BORDER IN TEXAS LAST YEAR. IN TEXAS LAST YEAR. WITH NO WARNING, HE WAS MOVED TO WITH NO WARNING, HE WAS MOVED TO LOUISIANA AND THEN MISSISSIPPI. LOUISIANA AND THEN MISSISSIPPI. HE’S BEEN LOCKED UP FOR TEN HE’S BEEN LOCKED UP FOR TEN MONTHS WHILE APPEALING FOR MONTHS WHILE APPEALING FOR ASYLUM AFTER I.C.E. DENIED HIM ASYLUM AFTER I.C.E. DENIED HIM PAROLE. PAROLE.>>WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IF YOU>>WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO A GOVERNMENT COULD SPEAK TO A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL? OFFICIAL? THEY NEED TO CHECK OUT THESE THEY NEED TO CHECK OUT THESE GOVERNMENT CENTERS, ESPECIALLY GOVERNMENT CENTERS, ESPECIALLY LOUISIANA. LOUISIANA. YOU CAME LOOKING FOR LIBERTY YOU CAME LOOKING FOR LIBERTY BECAUSE THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BECAUSE THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE COUNTRY OF FREEDOM. THE COUNTRY OF FREEDOM. IF YOU HAD A MESSAGE FOR YOUR IF YOU HAD A MESSAGE FOR YOUR BROTHER, WHAT WOULD IT BE? BROTHER, WHAT WOULD IT BE? THAT YOU’RE FIGHTING FOR HIM? THAT YOU’RE FIGHTING FOR HIM? AND YOU’RE GOING TO KEEP AND YOU’RE GOING TO KEEP FIGHTING FOR HIM. FIGHTING FOR HIM.>>A FIGHT THAT’S PLAYING OUT BY>>A FIGHT THAT’S PLAYING OUT BY THE THOUSANDS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THE THOUSANDS ACROSS THE COUNTRY HUNDREDS OF MILES AWAY FROM THE HUNDREDS OF MILES AWAY FROM THE BORDER. BORDER.>>SO WILLY, THE QUESTION HERE>>SO WILLY, THE QUESTION HERE IS ALSO THE LENGTH OF STAY. IS ALSO THE LENGTH OF STAY. SINCE 2016, THE PA ROLLS THAT SINCE 2016, THE PA ROLLS THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED HAVE DECREASED HAVE BEEN GRANTED HAVE DECREASED FROM 75% TO 1% AND THAT’S IN THE FROM 75% TO 1% AND THAT’S IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. LAST FEW YEARS. SO THAT BASICALLY MEANS IF SO THAT BASICALLY MEANS IF YOU’RE APPLYING FOR ASYLUM AND YOU’RE APPLYING FOR ASYLUM AND I.C.E. OR DHS DOES NOT GRANT YOU I.C.E. OR DHS DOES NOT GRANT YOU PAROLE, YOU’RE THERE PAROLE, YOU’RE THERE INDEFINITELY. INDEFINITELY.>>GREAT PIECE OF REPORTING.>>GREAT PIECE OF REPORTING. SO THE BROTHER IN THE PIECE HERE SO THE BROTHER IN THE PIECE HERE OF THE WOMAN THAT YOU WERE OF THE WOMAN THAT YOU WERE SPEAKING TO, HE PRESENTED SPEAKING TO, HE PRESENTED HIMSELF AT A PORT OF ENTRY, IS HIMSELF AT A PORT OF ENTRY, IS THAT CORRECT, FLEEING POLITICAL THAT CORRECT, FLEEING POLITICAL PERSECUTION? PERSECUTION?>>THAT’S CORRECT, MOST OF THE>>THAT’S CORRECT, MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE IN THERE BECAUSE THEY PEOPLE ARE IN THERE BECAUSE THEY SAID I AM PRESENTING MYSELF SAID I AM PRESENTING MYSELF LEGALLY. LEGALLY. HE WENT TO THE PORT OF ENTRY IN HE WENT TO THE PORT OF ENTRY IN TEXAS AND THIS MAN IS A DOCTOR. TEXAS AND THIS MAN IS A DOCTOR. MY DAD’S FAMILY CAME BY WAY OF MY DAD’S FAMILY CAME BY WAY OF CUBA, HE SAID I WAS BACK IN MY CUBA, HE SAID I WAS BACK IN MY COUNTRY TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE, I COUNTRY TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE, I TOOK AN OATH. TOOK AN OATH. I AM A DOCTOR. I AM A DOCTOR. AND WHEN I CAME HERE I WANTED TO AND WHEN I CAME HERE I WANTED TO DO IT LAWFULLY AND I WANTED TO DO IT LAWFULLY AND I WANTED TO HELP PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES HELP PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES AND THIS IS WHAT’S HAPPENED TO AND THIS IS WHAT’S HAPPENED TO ME. ME.>>WE’VE HEARD ABOUT THE>>WE’VE HEARD ABOUT THE DETENTION FACILITIES ALONG THE DETENTION FACILITIES ALONG THE BORDER AND WE’VE SEEN THE BORDER AND WE’VE SEEN THE CONDITIONS INSIDE THE CONDITIONS INSIDE THE FACILITIES. FACILITIES. IS WASHINGTON AWARE, AS FAR AS IS WASHINGTON AWARE, AS FAR AS YOU CAN TELL? YOU CAN TELL? IS CONGRESS TALKING ABOUT THESE IS CONGRESS TALKING ABOUT THESE FACILITIES. FACILITIES.>>SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN>>SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN WROTE A LETTER TO DHS BASICALLY WROTE A LETTER TO DHS BASICALLY RAISING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT RAISING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE NEW FACILITIES, AGAIN THE THESE NEW FACILITIES, AGAIN THE ONES THAT ATTORNEYS HAVE SAID ONES THAT ATTORNEYS HAVE SAID HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP QUICKLY. HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP QUICKLY. SHE GAVE THEM UNTIL JULY 25th TO SHE GAVE THEM UNTIL JULY 25th TO RESPOND AND AS OF THIS MORNING, RESPOND AND AS OF THIS MORNING, HER OFFICE HAS STILL NOT HEARD HER OFFICE HAS STILL NOT HEARD BACK. BACK.>>THANK YOU FOR PUTTING A