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STEPH.>>ALL RIGHT.>>ALL RIGHT. JEFF BENNETT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. JEFF BENNETT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET’S BE CLEAR ABOUT ONE POINT. LET’S BE CLEAR ABOUT ONE POINT. THERE ARE REAL REASONS TO BE THERE ARE REAL REASONS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT A POSSIBLE CONCERNED ABOUT A POSSIBLE RECESSION. RECESSION. REMEMBER, A RECESSION IS NOT A REMEMBER, A RECESSION IS NOT A CRISIS. CRISIS. A RECESSION IS NORMAL. A RECESSION IS NORMAL. BUT A SITTING PRESIDENT DOESN’T BUT A SITTING PRESIDENT DOESN’T NECESSARILY WANT TO BE RUNNING NECESSARILY WANT TO BE RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION DURING A FOR RE-ELECTION DURING A RECESSION. RECESSION. SO LET’S LOOK AT ONE OF THOSE SO LET’S LOOK AT ONE OF THOSE REASONS. REASONS. MORE THAN 30 CENTRAL BANKS MORE THAN 30 CENTRAL BANKS AROUND THE WORLD HAVE CUT AROUND THE WORLD HAVE CUT INTEREST RATES THIS YEAR. INTEREST RATES THIS YEAR. WHY DOES THAT MATTER? WHY DOES THAT MATTER? THE LAST TIME WE SAW THAT MANY THE LAST TIME WE SAW THAT MANY RATE CUTS WORLDWIDE, WAS DURING RATE CUTS WORLDWIDE, WAS DURING THE FINANCIAL CRISIS OF 2008. THE FINANCIAL CRISIS OF 2008. WE CURRENTLY HAVE NINE COUNTRIES WE CURRENTLY HAVE NINE COUNTRIES POTENTIALLY FACING RECESSION POTENTIALLY FACING RECESSION RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW. IN A GLOBAL ECONOMY THAT’S AN IN A GLOBAL ECONOMY THAT’S AN ISSUE. ISSUE. OUR OWN FEDERAL RESERVE LOWERED OUR OWN FEDERAL RESERVE LOWERED ITS RATE BY .25% LAST MONTH TO ITS RATE BY .25% LAST MONTH TO TRY AND EXTEND ECONOMIC GROWTH TRY AND EXTEND ECONOMIC GROWTH HERE AT HOME DESPITE THE SLOW HERE AT HOME DESPITE THE SLOW GROWTH WORLDWIDE AND THE HARM GROWTH WORLDWIDE AND THE HARM DONE BY THE PRESIDENT’S TRADE DONE BY THE PRESIDENT’S TRADE WAR. WAR. BUT TYPICALLY THE FED CUTS RATES BUT TYPICALLY THE FED CUTS RATES AS A LAST RESORT WHEN THE AS A LAST RESORT WHEN THE ECONOMY IS IN MUCH WORSE SHAPE ECONOMY IS IN MUCH WORSE SHAPE THAN IT APPEARS TO BE RIGHT NOW. THAN IT APPEARS TO BE RIGHT NOW. AND USING RATE CUTS NOW COULD AND USING RATE CUTS NOW COULD MEAN THAT THEY’RE NOT AVAILABLE MEAN THAT THEY’RE NOT AVAILABLE WHEN WE REALLY NEED THEM. WHEN WE REALLY NEED THEM. IT COULD ALSO MEAN THAT THE IT COULD ALSO MEAN THAT THE ECONOMY WILL BE SIMPLY IMMUNE TO ECONOMY WILL BE SIMPLY IMMUNE TO THEIR IMPACT. THEIR IMPACT. AND, YET, THE WHITE HOUSE AND, YET, THE WHITE HOUSE CONTINUES TO CALL FOR THE FED TO CONTINUES TO CALL FOR THE FED TO LOWER RATES EVEN FURTHER. LOWER RATES EVEN FURTHER. BUT THAT MESSAGE COULD BE DOING BUT THAT MESSAGE COULD BE DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD. MORE HARM THAN GOOD. U.S. CONSUMER SENTIMENT ACTUALLY U.S. CONSUMER SENTIMENT ACTUALLY FELL IN AUGUST AND ACCORDING TO FELL IN AUGUST AND ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTOR OF THE SURVEY THE THE DIRECTOR OF THE SURVEY THE CUT ACTUALLY MADE PEOPLE MORE CUT ACTUALLY MADE PEOPLE MORE WORRIED ABOUT A POSSIBLE WORRIED ABOUT A POSSIBLE RECESSION. RECESSION. PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED. PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED. I HAVE A GREAT GROUP HERE WITH I HAVE A GREAT GROUP HERE WITH ME TO HELP CLEAR SOME OF THE ME TO HELP CLEAR SOME OF THE CONFUSION UP. CONFUSION UP. PHIL RUCKER WHITE HOUSE BUREAU PHIL RUCKER WHITE HOUSE BUREAU CHIEF FOR “THE WASHINGTON POST,” CHIEF FOR “THE WASHINGTON POST,” NEIL IRWIN SENIOR ECONOMICS NEIL IRWIN SENIOR ECONOMICS CORRESPONDENT FOR THE “NEW YORK CORRESPONDENT FOR THE “NEW YORK TIMES” AND DEMOCRATIC TIMES” AND DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSWOMAN FROM MY HOME STATE CONGRESSWOMAN FROM MY HOME STATE OF NEW JERSEY. OF NEW JERSEY. CONGRESSWOMAN, I TURN TO YOU CONGRESSWOMAN, I TURN TO YOU FIRST. FIRST. THE PRESIDENT KNOWS THE ECONOMY THE PRESIDENT KNOWS THE ECONOMY IS HIS TICKET TO RE-ELECTION. IS HIS TICKET TO RE-ELECTION. IS THERE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE IS THERE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE HE IS GOING TO GIVE AMERICANS A HE IS GOING TO GIVE AMERICANS A MORE ACCURATE PICTURE OF THE MORE ACCURATE PICTURE OF THE ECONOMY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT ECONOMY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? IT? IF YOU ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, IF YOU ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, IF YOU ARE A PRIVATE CITIZEN IF YOU ARE A PRIVATE CITIZEN WHICH HE WAS LAST TIME AROUND, WHICH HE WAS LAST TIME AROUND, YOU CAN PAINT WHATEVER PICTURE YOU CAN PAINT WHATEVER PICTURE YOU WANT TO HELP YOURSELF GET YOU WANT TO HELP YOURSELF GET RE-ELECTED BUT HE IS CURRENTLY RE-ELECTED BUT HE IS CURRENTLY GOVERNING OUR NATION INTERFACING GOVERNING OUR NATION INTERFACING WITH WORLD LEADERS EVERY DAY. WITH WORLD LEADERS EVERY DAY. IF HE’S NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT IF HE’S NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT THE STATE THAT WE’RE IN WHAT THE STATE THAT WE’RE IN WHAT DOES THAT DO TO US? DOES THAT DO TO US?>>I THINK MANY AMERICANS KNOW>>I THINK MANY AMERICANS KNOW WHAT STATE WE’RE IN. WHAT STATE WE’RE IN. IN MY HOME STATE NEW JERSEY AS IN MY HOME STATE NEW JERSEY AS YOU WELL KNOW MANY OF THE YOU WELL KNOW MANY OF THE ECONOMIC MOVES BY THIS ECONOMIC MOVES BY THIS ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY HARMFUL TO US. INCREDIBLY HARMFUL TO US. NEW JERSEY WAS WORST HIT BY THE NEW JERSEY WAS WORST HIT BY THE TAX REFORM THAN ANY OTHER STATE TAX REFORM THAN ANY OTHER STATE IN THE NATION. IN THE NATION. THE STATE AND LOCAL TAX THE STATE AND LOCAL TAX DEDUCTION CAP HAS BEEN HURTING DEDUCTION CAP HAS BEEN HURTING TEACHERS AND COPS THROUGHOUT MY TEACHERS AND COPS THROUGHOUT MY DISTRICT. DISTRICT. WE SEE THE FAILURE TO INVEST IN WE SEE THE FAILURE TO INVEST IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE FURTHER OUR INFRASTRUCTURE FURTHER HARMING OUR DISTRICT AND OUR HARMING OUR DISTRICT AND OUR STATE, A STATE THAT BY THE WAY STATE, A STATE THAT BY THE WAY IS PART OF THE 20% OF THE IS PART OF THE 20% OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY. AMERICAN ECONOMY. SO, YOU KNOW, THESE HITS, THESE SO, YOU KNOW, THESE HITS, THESE WERE SELF-INFLICTED WOUNDS. WERE SELF-INFLICTED WOUNDS. AND THE PRESIDENT FURTHERMORE AND THE PRESIDENT FURTHERMORE CONTINUES TO DO THAT IN THE CONTINUES TO DO THAT IN THE GLOBAL ECONOMY. GLOBAL ECONOMY. I DON’T THINK PEOPLE QUITE I DON’T THINK PEOPLE QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THESE CHINESE TARIFFS. THESE CHINESE TARIFFS. THIS TARIFF WAR HAS BEEN REALLY THIS TARIFF WAR HAS BEEN REALLY HARD FOR CORPORATIONS IN MY HARD FOR CORPORATIONS IN MY DISTRICT WHO ARE TRYING HARD TO DISTRICT WHO ARE TRYING HARD TO PLAN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, PLAN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THE NEXT TEN YEARS, THE NEXT 15 THE NEXT TEN YEARS, THE NEXT 15 YEARS, AND ARE FINDING YEARS, AND ARE FINDING THEMSELVES UNABLE TO DO SO AND THEMSELVES UNABLE TO DO SO AND THE PRESIDENT SAYS, WELL, HE’S THE PRESIDENT SAYS, WELL, HE’S NOT GOING TO DO THE TARIFF WAR NOT GOING TO DO THE TARIFF WAR UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS BECAUSE HE UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS BECAUSE HE KNOWS IT’S ANOTHER TAX ON KNOWS IT’S ANOTHER TAX ON CONSUMERS. CONSUMERS. AND SO WE SEE HIM HOLDING OFF AND SO WE SEE HIM HOLDING OFF UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS FOR SOME UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS FOR SOME OF THIS TRADE WAR WHICH MAKES IT OF THIS TRADE WAR WHICH MAKES IT SEEM LIKE IT’S JUST SOME SEEM LIKE IT’S JUST SOME PARTISAN MANEUVERING AND NOT PARTISAN MANEUVERING AND NOT REALLY HELPFUL TO OUR ECONOMY. REALLY HELPFUL TO OUR ECONOMY.>>PHIL, I WANT TO PLAY PART OF>>PHIL, I WANT TO PLAY PART OF YOUR EXCHANGE WITH THE PRESIDENT YOUR EXCHANGE WITH THE PRESIDENT YESTERDAY WHILE HE WAS IN NEW YESTERDAY WHILE HE WAS IN NEW JERSEY TALKING ABOUT HOW THE JERSEY TALKING ABOUT HOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SO HAPPY AND AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SO HAPPY AND SPENDING WHEN WE KNOW FROM THE SPENDING WHEN WE KNOW FROM THE CONGRESSWOMAN PEOPLE IN NEW CONGRESSWOMAN PEOPLE IN NEW JERSEY DID NOT BENEFIT. JERSEY DID NOT BENEFIT. TAKE A LOOK. TAKE A LOOK.>>A LOT OF ECONOMISTS SAY YOU>>A LOT OF ECONOMISTS SAY YOU SHOULD BE PREPARING FOR A SHOULD BE PREPARING FOR A RECESSION, THAT NO PRESIDENT IS RECESSION, THAT NO PRESIDENT IS IMMUNE TO RECESSION AND IT IS IMMUNE TO RECESSION AND IT IS NOW — NOW –>>PHIL, HONESTLY I’M PREPARED>>PHIL, HONESTLY I’M PREPARED FOR EVERYTHING. FOR EVERYTHING. I DON’T THINK WE’RE HAVING A I DON’T THINK WE’RE HAVING A RECESSION. RECESSION. WE ARE DOING TREMENDOUSLY WELL. WE ARE DOING TREMENDOUSLY WELL. OUR CONSUMERS ARE RICH. OUR CONSUMERS ARE RICH. I GAVE A TREMENDOUS TAX CUT AND I GAVE A TREMENDOUS TAX CUT AND THEY’RE LOADED UP WITH MONEY. THEY’RE LOADED UP WITH MONEY. THEY’RE BUYING. THEY’RE BUYING. I SAW THE WALMART NUMBERS. I SAW THE WALMART NUMBERS. THEY WERE THROUGH THE ROOF JUST THEY WERE THROUGH THE ROOF JUST TWO DAYS AGO. TWO DAYS AGO. THAT’S BETTER THAN ANY POLL, THAT’S BETTER THAN ANY POLL, BETTER THAN ANY ECONOMIST. BETTER THAN ANY ECONOMIST. AND MOST ECONOMISTS ACTUALLY AND MOST ECONOMISTS ACTUALLY SAY, PHIL, THAT WE’RE NOT GOING SAY, PHIL, THAT WE’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A RECESSION. TO HAVE A RECESSION. MOST OF THEM ARE SAYING WE’RE MOST OF THEM ARE SAYING WE’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A RECESSION. NOT GOING TO HAVE A RECESSION.>>SO THE PRESIDENT SAID WALMART>>SO THE PRESIDENT SAID WALMART NUMBERS WERE THROUGH THE ROOF. NUMBERS WERE THROUGH THE ROOF. HE DIDN’T SAY THE DAY BEFORE HE DIDN’T SAY THE DAY BEFORE THAT MACY’S NUMBERS WERE IN THE THAT MACY’S NUMBERS WERE IN THE TOILET. TOILET. WHEN HE SAYS CONSUMERS ARE FLUSH WHEN HE SAYS CONSUMERS ARE FLUSH WITH CASH AND SPENDING, IT WITH CASH AND SPENDING, IT WASN’T A TAX CUT FOR THE AVERAGE WASN’T A TAX CUT FOR THE AVERAGE AMERICAN. AMERICAN. TWA IS A TWA IS A IT WAS A CORPORATE TAX CUT. IT WAS A CORPORATE TAX CUT. WHAT IS YOUR TAKEAWAY FROM WHAT WHAT IS YOUR TAKEAWAY FROM WHAT HE SAID? HE SAID?>>WHAT JUST SAID IS EXACTLY>>WHAT JUST SAID IS EXACTLY RIGHT. RIGHT. WHAT TRUMP IS TRYING TO DO IS WHAT TRUMP IS TRYING TO DO IS PROJECT CONFIDENCE TO THE PROJECT CONFIDENCE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THERE’S NOT AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THERE’S NOT GOING TO BE A RECESSION AND THAT GOING TO BE A RECESSION AND THAT HE A ESGOT EVERYTHING UNDER HE A ESGOT EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL. CONTROL. BUT THAT FLIES IN THE FACE OF BUT THAT FLIES IN THE FACE OF THE DATA WE’RE SEEING AND THE THE DATA WE’RE SEEING AND THE INDICATORS AND THE BIG YELLOW INDICATORS AND THE BIG YELLOW FLAGS ESPECIALLY LAST WEEK. FLAGS ESPECIALLY LAST WEEK. YOU KNOW, NO PRESIDENT IS IMMUNE YOU KNOW, NO PRESIDENT IS IMMUNE FROM A RECESSION. FROM A RECESSION. PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT IMMUNE PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT IMMUNE FROM A RECESSION. FROM A RECESSION. YOU KNOW, TALKING TO ECONOMISTS YOU KNOW, TALKING TO ECONOMISTS I INTERVIEWED LARRY SUMMERS LAST I INTERVIEWED LARRY SUMMERS LAST WEEK THE FORMER TREASURY WEEK THE FORMER TREASURY SECRETARY AND ECONOMIC ADVISER SECRETARY AND ECONOMIC ADVISER WHO HELPED GUIDE THE OBAMA WHO HELPED GUIDE THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION OUT OF THE GREAT ADMINISTRATION OUT OF THE GREAT RECESSION AND HE SAID AIT WAS RECESSION AND HE SAID AIT WAS EFFECTIVELY MALPRACTICE FOR THIS EFFECTIVELY MALPRACTICE FOR THIS GOVERNMENT NOT TO BE GETTING GOVERNMENT NOT TO BE GETTING READY FOR A RECESSION IF ONE READY FOR A RECESSION IF ONE WERE TO COME. WERE TO COME.>>YOU WROTE AN EXCELLENT PIECE>>YOU WROTE AN EXCELLENT PIECE ABOUT HOW A RECESSION COULD ABOUT HOW A RECESSION COULD HAPPEN AND, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE HAPPEN AND, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE NORMAL. NORMAL. WE HAVE BEEN IN A TEN-YEAR WE HAVE BEEN IN A TEN-YEAR ECONOMIC EXPANSION, SO A ECONOMIC EXPANSION, SO A RECESSION IS PAR FOR THE COURSE. RECESSION IS PAR FOR THE COURSE. AND THE PRESIDENT HAS ALREADY AND THE PRESIDENT HAS ALREADY GIVEN A MASSIVE CORPORATE TAX GIVEN A MASSIVE CORPORATE TAX CUT AND, STILL, WITH GDP ONLY CUT AND, STILL, WITH GDP ONLY 2.1% THAT IS FAR BELOW HIS 3% 2.1% THAT IS FAR BELOW HIS 3% PROJECTION THOUGH HE PROJECTED PROJECTION THOUGH HE PROJECTED 4%, 5%, 6%. 4%, 5%, 6%. AFTER HEARING THE PRESIDENT AND AFTER HEARING THE PRESIDENT AND HIS ADVISERS SAYING, I DON’T SEE HIS ADVISERS SAYING, I DON’T SEE A RECESSION ANYWHERE, DO YOU A RECESSION ANYWHERE, DO YOU BELIEVE THEY’RE RECOGNIZING THE BELIEVE THEY’RE RECOGNIZING THE RISKS THAT AT LEAST YOU AND MANY RISKS THAT AT LEAST YOU AND MANY OTHERS HAVE LAID OUT? OTHERS HAVE LAID OUT?>>NO.>>NO. THEY SEEM TO BE KIND OF STICKING THEY SEEM TO BE KIND OF STICKING THEIR FINGERS IN THEIR EARS AND THEIR FINGERS IN THEIR EARS AND PRETENDING THESE SIGNS AREN’T PRETENDING THESE SIGNS AREN’T OUT THERE. OUT THERE. WE’VE SEEN THIS BEFORE. WE’VE SEEN THIS BEFORE. IT DOESN’T HAVE TO BE A IT DOESN’T HAVE TO BE A RECESSION FOR THIS TO BE A VERY RECESSION FOR THIS TO BE A VERY DANGEROUS MOMENT FOR THE DANGEROUS MOMENT FOR THE ECONOMY. ECONOMY. IN LATE 2015 EARLY 2016 THERE IN LATE 2015 EARLY 2016 THERE WAS SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO WAS SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THIS, AN INDUSTRIAL SLOWDOWN THIS, AN INDUSTRIAL SLOWDOWN CAUSED BY OVERSEAS FORCES CAUSED BY OVERSEAS FORCES ESPECIALLY CHINA AND MAY HAVE ESPECIALLY CHINA AND MAY HAVE HELPED TRUMP GET ELECTED AND HELPED TRUMP GET ELECTED AND COST HILLARY CLINTON THE WHITE COST HILLARY CLINTON THE WHITE HOUSE. HOUSE. YOU COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT DOESN’T BECOME A TECHNICAL DOESN’T BECOME A TECHNICAL RECESSION BUT DOES A LOT OF RECESSION BUT DOES A LOT OF DAMAGE IN THE HEARTLAND OF THE DAMAGE IN THE HEARTLAND OF THE U.S. U.S.>>CAN DEMOCRATS, CONGRESSWOMAN>>CAN DEMOCRATS, CONGRESSWOMAN ACTUALLY CAPITALIZE ON THIS? ACTUALLY CAPITALIZE ON THIS? I WANT TO SHARE WHAT THE I WANT TO SHARE WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID AT A RALLY LAST PRESIDENT SAID AT A RALLY LAST WEEK. WEEK.>>THE BOTTOM LINE IS I KNOW YOU>>THE BOTTOM LINE IS I KNOW YOU LIKE ME AND THIS ROOM IS A LOVE LIKE ME AND THIS ROOM IS A LOVE FEST. FEST. I KNOW THAT. I KNOW THAT. BUT YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO BUT YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO VOTE FOR ME BECAUSE YOUR 401(K)s VOTE FOR ME BECAUSE YOUR 401(K)s DOWN THE TUBES, EVERYTHING DOWN DOWN THE TUBES, EVERYTHING DOWN THE TUBES, SO WHETHER YOU LOVE THE TUBES, SO WHETHER YOU LOVE ME OR HATE ME YOU GOT TO VOTE ME OR HATE ME YOU GOT TO VOTE FOR ME. FOR ME.>>THIS THE ARGUMENT HE KEEPS>>THIS THE ARGUMENT HE KEEPS MAKING. MAKING. THE NEW “WALL STREET JOURNAL” THE NEW “WALL STREET JOURNAL” POLL SAYS 49% OF AMERICANS STILL POLL SAYS 49% OF AMERICANS STILL APPROVE OF HIS HANDLING OF THE APPROVE OF HIS HANDLING OF THE ECONOMY. ECONOMY. YOU JUST WALKED US THROUGH HOW YOU JUST WALKED US THROUGH HOW THERE’S BEEN MISHANDLING OF THE THERE’S BEEN MISHANDLING OF THE ECONOMY. ECONOMY. WHY AREN’T DEMOCRATS SEIZING ON WHY AREN’T DEMOCRATS SEIZING ON THIS WHEN JOE BIDEN TALKS ABOUT THIS WHEN JOE BIDEN TALKS ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORAL LEADERSHIP THE NEED FOR MORAL LEADERSHIP THE PRESIDENT RESPONDS BY SAYING THE PRESIDENT RESPONDS BY SAYING YOU WANT MORALITY OR YOU WANT YOU WANT MORALITY OR YOU WANT YOUR MONEY? YOUR MONEY? AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT SAY IT AT DINNER PARTIES BUT NOT SAY IT AT DINNER PARTIES BUT WHEN THEY GO HOME THEY START TO WHEN THEY GO HOME THEY START TO SAY, I NEED TO PROTECT MY SAY, I NEED TO PROTECT MY 401(K). 401(K). AND THEY BELIEVE IT. AND THEY BELIEVE IT.>>I THINK IF YOU WANT MORALITY>>I THINK IF YOU WANT MORALITY AND GOOD FISCAL LEADERSHIP YOU AND GOOD FISCAL LEADERSHIP YOU WANT A DEMOCRAT IN THE WHITE WANT A DEMOCRAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE BECAUSE WHAT WE’RE SEEING HOUSE BECAUSE WHAT WE’RE SEEING IN NEW JERSEY AND IT IS IN NEW JERSEY AND IT IS INTERESTING YOU JUST PLAYED THAT INTERESTING YOU JUST PLAYED THAT CLIP FROM MORRISTOWN. CLIP FROM MORRISTOWN. THAT IS IN MY DISTRICT. THAT IS IN MY DISTRICT. I WISH THE PRESIDENT HAD LEFT I WISH THE PRESIDENT HAD LEFT THE AIR STRIP AND GONE TO TALK THE AIR STRIP AND GONE TO TALK TO PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT BECAUSE TO PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT BECAUSE HE WOULD REALIZE THE ECONOMIC HE WOULD REALIZE THE ECONOMIC HARM HE IS DOING ACROSS THE HARM HE IS DOING ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY, YOU COUNTRY TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DO HAVE JOBS. KNOW, THEY DO HAVE JOBS. WE DO HAVE EMPLOYMENT. WE DO HAVE EMPLOYMENT. BUT PEOPLE AREN’T RECEIVING THE BUT PEOPLE AREN’T RECEIVING THE PAYCHECKS THEY WERE SEVERAL PAYCHECKS THEY WERE SEVERAL YEARS AGO. YEARS AGO.>>THEN WHY DOES HE HAVE SUCH A>>THEN WHY DOES HE HAVE SUCH A HIGH APPROVAL RATING WHEN IT HIGH APPROVAL RATING WHEN IT COMES TO HOW HE IS HANDLING THE COMES TO HOW HE IS HANDLING THE ECONOMY? ECONOMY?>>I THINK WE ARE STARTING TO>>I THINK WE ARE STARTING TO SEE THE CRACKS IN THAT. SEE THE CRACKS IN THAT. THIS IS WHERE THE RUBBER IS THIS IS WHERE THE RUBBER IS MEETING THE ROAD. MEETING THE ROAD. IT’S TAKEN A WHILE. IT’S TAKEN A WHILE. IT TAKES A WHILE AS I THINK A IT TAKES A WHILE AS I THINK A COMMENTATOR SAID EARLIER THIS COMMENTATOR SAID EARLIER THIS MORNING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU’RE MORNING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU’RE MOVING A SHIP, IT TAKES A LITTLE MOVING A SHIP, IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOR THE RESULTS TO BIT OF TIME FOR THE RESULTS TO BE FELT. BE FELT. WE’RE STARTING TO FEEL THE WE’RE STARTING TO FEEL THE RESULTS OF HIS POLICIES NOW. RESULTS OF HIS POLICIES NOW.>>PHIL, LET’S GO WITH A LITTLE>>PHIL, LET’S GO WITH A LITTLE PALACE INTRIGUE. PALACE INTRIGUE. YOU AND I BOTH KNOW FROM OUR OWN YOU AND I BOTH KNOW FROM OUR OWN REPORTING THAT THE PRESIDENT’S REPORTING THAT THE PRESIDENT’S ADVISERS LOOK TO GO TO GREAT ADVISERS LOOK TO GO TO GREAT LENGTHS TO FIND ARTICLES AND LENGTHS TO FIND ARTICLES AND DATA TO PLEASE THE PRESIDENT, TO DATA TO PLEASE THE PRESIDENT, TO SUPPORT HIS POINT OF VIEW. SUPPORT HIS POINT OF VIEW. HOW DANGEROUS IS IT RIGHT NOW HOW DANGEROUS IS IT RIGHT NOW THAT THAT IS CONTINUING TO BE THAT THAT IS CONTINUING TO BE THE CASE? THE CASE? AND WHEN THE PRESIDENT LOOKS AT AND WHEN THE PRESIDENT LOOKS AT DATA THAT HE DOESN’T LIKE, HE IS DATA THAT HE DOESN’T LIKE, HE IS NOW CLAIMING IT’S BEING NOW CLAIMING IT’S BEING MANIPULATED. MANIPULATED.>>YEAH, WELL THAT IS SPOT ON,>>YEAH, WELL THAT IS SPOT ON, STEPH. STEPH. MY REPORTING LAST WEEK SHOWS MY REPORTING LAST WEEK SHOWS THAT LARRY KUDLOW, THE ECONOMIC THAT LARRY KUDLOW, THE ECONOMIC ADVISER IN THE WHITE HOUSE, HAS ADVISER IN THE WHITE HOUSE, HAS BEEN PRESENTING A FAIRLY SUNNY BEEN PRESENTING A FAIRLY SUNNY OUTLOOK ABOUT THE ECONOMY TO THE OUTLOOK ABOUT THE ECONOMY TO THE PRESIDENT, SHOWING HIM GOOD PRESIDENT, SHOWING HIM GOOD DATA, TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO HIM DATA, TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO HIM WHY HE DOESN’T THINK A RECESSION WHY HE DOESN’T THINK A RECESSION IS IN THE OFFING. IS IN THE OFFING. AND IT CONFLICTS WITH OF COURSE AND IT CONFLICTS WITH OF COURSE WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS CONSUMING WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS CONSUMING ON TELEVISION AND WHAT HE’S ON TELEVISION AND WHAT HE’S READING IN NEWSPAPERS. READING IN NEWSPAPERS. AND THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN AND THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN TELLING FRIENDS THAT HE THINKS TELLING FRIENDS THAT HE THINKS THERE’S A CONSPIRACY AT PLAY THERE’S A CONSPIRACY AT PLAY HERE. HERE. THAT HE THINKS THE NEWS MEDIA IS THAT HE THINKS THE NEWS MEDIA IS PUMPING UP THE IDEA OF A PUMPING UP THE IDEA OF A RECESSION USING FAULTY DATA AND, RECESSION USING FAULTY DATA AND, IMPORTANTLY, HE DOESN’T BELIEVE IMPORTANTLY, HE DOESN’T BELIEVE ALL OF THE ECONOMIC STATISTICS ALL OF THE ECONOMIC STATISTICS HE SEES BECAUSE HE THINKS HE SEES BECAUSE HE THINKS ECONOMISTS ARE ELITES AND OUT TO ECONOMISTS ARE ELITES AND OUT TO GET HIM AND ARE USING AN GET HIM AND ARE USING AN ANTI-TRUMP BIAS WITH THEIR ANTI-TRUMP BIAS WITH THEIR NUMBERS TO TRY TO DERAIL HIS NUMBERS TO TRY TO DERAIL HIS RE-ELECTION HOPES. RE-ELECTION HOPES.>>PAUL SINGER, MASSIVE>>PAUL SINGER, MASSIVE REPUBLICAN WHO RUNS ELLIOTT REPUBLICAN WHO RUNS ELLIOTT MANAGEMENT JUST LAST WEEK MANAGEMENT JUST LAST WEEK WARNING OF A HUGE ECONOMIC WARNING OF A HUGE ECONOMIC SLOWDOWN. SLOWDOWN. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TEAM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TEAM SURROUNDING THE PRESIDENT. SURROUNDING THE PRESIDENT. PETER NAVARRO, LARRY KUDLOW, PETER NAVARRO, LARRY KUDLOW, STEVE MNUCHIN. STEVE MNUCHIN. “THE WASHINGTON POST” RAN “THE WASHINGTON POST” RAN MULTIPLE OP EDS THIS WEEKEND MULTIPLE OP EDS THIS WEEKEND CALLING THEM MEN WITHOUT A PLAN. CALLING THEM MEN WITHOUT A PLAN. GIVE US A BIT OF HISTORICAL GIVE US A BIT OF HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE. PERSPECTIVE. I HAD A GUEST LAST WEEK WHO SAID I HAD A GUEST LAST WEEK WHO SAID PRESIDENTS OBAMA AND BUSH IN PRESIDENTS OBAMA AND BUSH IN TIMES OF CRISIS WERE SURROUNDED TIMES OF CRISIS WERE SURROUNDED BY NBA ALL STAR TEAMS AND BY NBA ALL STAR TEAMS AND PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS THE HARLEM PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS THE HARLEM GLOBETROTTERS. GLOBETROTTERS.>>YOU HAVE AN UNUSUAL MOMENT>>YOU HAVE AN UNUSUAL MOMENT WHERE IT IS NOT JUST THAT THOSE WHERE IT IS NOT JUST THAT THOSE THREE LEADERS ARE NOT AS TESTED THREE LEADERS ARE NOT AS TESTED AND EXPERIENCED WITH KIND OF THE AND EXPERIENCED WITH KIND OF THE MECHANISMS OF GOVERNMENT AND HOW MECHANISMS OF GOVERNMENT AND HOW YOU USE THOSE TO TRY AND DEAL YOU USE THOSE TO TRY AND DEAL WITH ECONOMIC CHALLENGES BUT WITH ECONOMIC CHALLENGES BUT ALSO THE LEVEL UNDER THEM IS ALSO THE LEVEL UNDER THEM IS UNDER STAFFED. UNDER STAFFED. IF YOU GO TO TREASURY, GO TO THE IF YOU GO TO TREASURY, GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE, A LOT OF THE MID WHITE HOUSE, A LOT OF THE MID LEVEL JOBS ARE NOT AS STAFFED AS LEVEL JOBS ARE NOT AS STAFFED AS IN THE PAST. IN THE PAST. WHATEVER YOU THINK OF THE BUSH WHATEVER YOU THINK OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION WHEN THE CRISIS ADMINISTRATION WHEN THE CRISIS HAPPENED IN 2007, 2008, THEY HAPPENED IN 2007, 2008, THEY KIND OF CAST IDEOLOGY ASIDE, DID KIND OF CAST IDEOLOGY ASIDE, DID SOME BAIL OUTS THAT THEY DIDN’T SOME BAIL OUTS THAT THEY DIDN’T LIKE DOING. LIKE DOING. THEY DID SOME FISCAL STIMULUS THEY DID SOME FISCAL STIMULUS THEY DIDN’T LIKE DOING BUT THEY THEY DIDN’T LIKE DOING BUT THEY SAW DAMAGE AND RISK TO THE SAW DAMAGE AND RISK TO THE ECONOMY AND PULLED THE TRIGGERS ECONOMY AND PULLED THE TRIGGERS AND DID THOSE THINGS. AND DID THOSE THINGS. THE QUESTION IS, IF THINGS TAKE

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YOU CAN WATCH ON THE NBC NEWS APP OR ON ANY STREAMING DEVICE APP OR ON ANY STREAMING DEVICE OAR ON NBCNEWS.COM. OAR ON NBCNEWS.COM. 8:00 P.M. EASTERN. 8:00 P.M. EASTERN. “DEADLINE WHITE HOUSE WITH “DEADLINE WHITE HOUSE WITH NICOLLE WALLACE” STARTS RIGHT NICOLLE WALLACE” STARTS RIGHT NOW. NOW.>>>HI, EVERYONE, IT’S 4:00 IN>>>HI, EVERYONE, IT’S 4:00 IN NEW YORK. NEW YORK. WHEN DONALD TRUMP WALKS INTO THE WHEN DONALD TRUMP WALKS INTO THE HOUSE CHAMBERS TONIGHT, HE WILL HOUSE CHAMBERS TONIGHT, HE WILL BE MAKING THE KIND OF HISTORY BE MAKING THE KIND OF HISTORY THAT YOU’RE NOT LIKELY TO HEAR THAT YOU’RE NOT LIKELY TO HEAR TOUTED FROM HIS TWITTER FEED OR TOUTED FROM HIS TWITTER FEED OR THE BIMONTHLY PRESS BRIEFING. THE BIMONTHLY PRESS BRIEFING. HE WILL LIKELY NOT MENTION THAT HE WILL LIKELY NOT MENTION THAT AMONG THE WAYS HE’S CHANGING THE AMONG THE WAYS HE’S CHANGING THE PRESIDENCY IS THIS. PRESIDENCY IS THIS. NEARLY EVERY ORGANIZATION, NEARLY EVERY ORGANIZATION, POLITICAL AND PROFESSIONAL, THAT POLITICAL AND PROFESSIONAL, THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS EVER BEEN DONALD TRUMP HAS EVER BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH, IS UNDER ASSOCIATED WITH, IS UNDER INVESTIGATION TODAY. INVESTIGATION TODAY. THE LATEST TRUMP ENTITY TO BE THE LATEST TRUMP ENTITY TO BE SERVED WITH A SUBPOENA, THE SERVED WITH A SUBPOENA, THE PRESIDENT’S INAUGURAL COMMITTEE. PRESIDENT’S INAUGURAL COMMITTEE. “WASHINGTON POST” REPORTS, “A “WASHINGTON POST” REPORTS, “A WIDE-RANGING SUBPOENA SERVED ON WIDE-RANGING SUBPOENA SERVED ON THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE MONDAY THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE MONDAY SEEKS AN ARRAY OF DOCUMENTS SEEKS AN ARRAY OF DOCUMENTS INCLUDING ALL INFORMATION INCLUDING ALL INFORMATION RELATED TO THE INAUGURAL DONORS, RELATED TO THE INAUGURAL DONORS, VENDORS, CONTRACTORS, BANK VENDORS, CONTRACTORS, BANK ACCOUNTS OF THE INAUGURAL ACCOUNTS OF THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE, AND ANY INFORMATION COMMITTEE, AND ANY INFORMATION RELATED TO FOREIGN CONTRIBUTORS RELATED TO FOREIGN CONTRIBUTORS TO THE COMMITTEE.” TO THE COMMITTEE.” THAT’S ACCORDING TO A COPY THAT’S ACCORDING TO A COPY REVIEWED BY THE “POST.” REVIEWED BY THE “POST.” “THE NEW YORK TIMES” WRITES, A “THE NEW YORK TIMES” WRITES, A SUBPOENA FOR DOCUMENTS FROM SUBPOENA FOR DOCUMENTS FROM FEDERAL PROSECUTORS OUT OF THE FEDERAL PROSECUTORS OUT OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, “THEY SHOW THAT THE “THEY SHOW THAT THE INVESTIGATION SURROUNDING MR. INVESTIGATION SURROUNDING MR. TRUMP, ONE CENTERED ON POTENTIAL TRUMP, ONE CENTERED ON POTENTIAL TIES TO RUSSIA DURING THE 2016 TIES TO RUSSIA DURING THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, HAVE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, HAVE SPREAD FAR BEYOND THE SPECIAL SPREAD FAR BEYOND THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE TO INCLUDE COUNSEL’S OFFICE TO INCLUDE VIRTUALLY ALL ASPECTS OF HIS VIRTUALLY ALL ASPECTS OF HIS ADULT LIFE. ADULT LIFE. HIS BUSINESS. HIS BUSINESS. HIS CAMPAIGN. HIS CAMPAIGN. HIS INAUGURATION. HIS INAUGURATION. AND HIS PRESIDENCY. AND HIS PRESIDENCY. AND WHILE THE SUBPOENA COMES AND WHILE THE SUBPOENA COMES FROM THE SAME PROSECUTORS WHO FROM THE SAME PROSECUTORS WHO CHARGED MICHAEL COHEN AND CHARGED MICHAEL COHEN AND IMPLICATED DONALD TRUMP IN AN IMPLICATED DONALD TRUMP IN AN ILLEGAL HUSH MONEY SCHEME BEFORE ILLEGAL HUSH MONEY SCHEME BEFORE THE ELECTION, THERE IS AN THE ELECTION, THERE IS AN OVERLAP WITH WHAT WE KNOW THE OVERLAP WITH WHAT WE KNOW THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND FBI HAVE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND FBI HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN. BEEN INTERESTED IN. A SUSPICIOUS NUMBER OF RUSSIANS A SUSPICIOUS NUMBER OF RUSSIANS AND PRO-RUSSIAN UKRAINIANS AT AND PRO-RUSSIAN UKRAINIANS AT THE INAUGURATION. THE INAUGURATION. THE PICTURE OF GRAVE LEGAL PERIL THE PICTURE OF GRAVE LEGAL PERIL FOR THE PRESIDENT COMING INTO FOR THE PRESIDENT COMING INTO FOCUS AS EVEN HIS CLOSEST FOCUS AS EVEN HIS CLOSEST ALLIES, PEOPLE LIKE CHRIS ALLIES, PEOPLE LIKE CHRIS CHRISTIE, HAVE PREDICTED. CHRISTIE, HAVE PREDICTED.>>I’VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THAT>>I’VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS THE BIGGER PROBLEM FOR TWO WAS THE BIGGER PROBLEM FOR TWO REASONS. REASONS. ONE, BECAUSE THE SOUTHERN ONE, BECAUSE THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK HAS NO DISTRICT OF NEW YORK HAS NO RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR PURVIEW. RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR PURVIEW. ALL RIGHT, BOB MUELLER HAS A ALL RIGHT, BOB MUELLER HAS A TASK, IT’S RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE TASK, IT’S RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE AND POTENTIAL COLLUSION IN THE AND POTENTIAL COLLUSION IN THE 2016 ELECTION. 2016 ELECTION. SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, WHATEVER THE HECK YOU WANT, AND WHATEVER THE HECK YOU WANT, AND SO — SO –>>PARTICULARLY THE –>>PARTICULARLY THE –>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>THAT’S RIGHT. WITHOUT MICHAEL COHEN, THE WITHOUT MICHAEL COHEN, THE PRESIDENT’S FORMER LAWYER, AS A PRESIDENT’S FORMER LAWYER, AS A TOUR GUIDE, THAT MEANS YOU COULD TOUR GUIDE, THAT MEANS YOU COULD GO ANYWHERE. GO ANYWHERE.>>IF YOU COMMIT CRIMES, THAT>>IF YOU COMMIT CRIMES, THAT IS. IS. THAT’S WHERE WE START TODAY WITH THAT’S WHERE WE START TODAY WITH SOME OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND SOME OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. FRIENDS. PHIL RUCKER, WHITE HOUSE BUREAU PHIL RUCKER, WHITE HOUSE BUREAU CHIEF FOR THE “WASHINGTON POST.” CHIEF FOR THE “WASHINGTON POST.” FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY HARRY FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY HARRY LITMAN. LITMAN. HERE WITH US AT THE TABLE, ELISE HERE WITH US AT THE TABLE, ELISE JORDAN, FORMER AIDE IN THE JORDAN, FORMER AIDE IN THE GEORGE W. BUSH WHITE HOUSE AND GEORGE W. BUSH WHITE HOUSE AND STATE DEPARTMENT. STATE DEPARTMENT. CO-HOST OF THE FABULOUS PODCAST CO-HOST OF THE FABULOUS PODCAST “WORDS MATTER” AND FRIEND OF THE “WORDS MATTER” AND FRIEND OF THE SHOW, DONNY DEUTSCH. SHOW, DONNY DEUTSCH. DONNY, I GOT TO START WITH YOU, DONNY, I GOT TO START WITH YOU, CHRIS CHRISTIE IS SAYING TWO CHRIS CHRISTIE IS SAYING TWO MONTHS LATE WHAERR WHAT YOU SAID MONTHS LATE WHAERR WHAT YOU SAID THIS TABLE. THIS TABLE.>>THE MUELLER THING IS GOING TO>>THE MUELLER THING IS GOING TO BE FIS. BE FIS. I DON’T THINK IT’S GOING TO TAKE I DON’T THINK IT’S GOING TO TAKE US TO TRUMP LEAVING OFFICE. US TO TRUMP LEAVING OFFICE.>>WE DON’T KNOW.>>WE DON’T KNOW.>>WE DON’T KNOW.>>WE DON’T KNOW. WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THAT THE WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK THAT ACTUALLY CHRISTIE CALLS THE THAT ACTUALLY CHRISTIE CALLS THE SOVEREIGN DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY SOVEREIGN DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY REALLY COOPED OF ONOPERATE — REALLY COOPED OF ONOPERATE –>>I THINK THAT’S A JERSEY>>I THINK THAT’S A JERSEY THING. THING. I THINK THAT’S A — THE U.S. I THINK THAT’S A — THE U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE TURF THING. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE TURF THING.>>THEY’LL TAKE APART THE TRUMP>>THEY’LL TAKE APART THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. ORGANIZATION. THERE’S SOMETHING CALLED RICO, THERE’S SOMETHING CALLED RICO, RACKETEERING INFLUENCE RACKETEERING INFLUENCE CORRUPTION ORGANIZATION ACT. CORRUPTION ORGANIZATION ACT. THEY BASEICALLY BROUGHT IN MOB THEY BASEICALLY BROUGHT IN MOB BOSSES. BOSSES. ANY ORGANIZATION, IF YOU’RE A ANY ORGANIZATION, IF YOU’RE A MOB BOSS, IF ANYBODY IS KILLED MOB BOSS, IF ANYBODY IS KILLED IN YOUR ORGANIZATION, AIDED IT, IN YOUR ORGANIZATION, AIDED IT, DIRECTED IT, YOU’RE FOUND GUILTY DIRECTED IT, YOU’RE FOUND GUILTY OF THAT CRIME. OF THAT CRIME. THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION HAS THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION HAS ALWAYS BEEN A DIRTY ALWAYS BEEN A DIRTY ORGANIZATION, EVERY WHICH WAY. ORGANIZATION, EVERY WHICH WAY. YOU’RE SEEING THE INAUGURAL YOU’RE SEEING THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE, SEEING THE ATTORNEY COMMITTEE, SEEING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL GOING AFTER THE GENERAL GOING AFTER THE CHARITIES. CHARITIES. THIS IS WHERE IT ENDS FOR THIS THIS IS WHERE IT ENDS FOR THIS PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. IT IS A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE AND IT IS A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE AND THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT WILL RICO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT WILL RICO IT. IT. WE HAVEN’T HEARD THAT TERM A WE HAVEN’T HEARD THAT TERM A LOT, ESPECIALLY WITH POLITICS. LOT, ESPECIALLY WITH POLITICS. WAIT. WAIT.>>HARRY LITMAN, I GOT TO JUMP>>HARRY LITMAN, I GOT TO JUMP TO YOU. TO YOU. I REMEMBER I WORKED IN THE WHITE I REMEMBER I WORKED IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHEN I FELT OUT OF MY HOUSE WHEN I FELT OUT OF MY DEPTHS, I READ BROOKOOKS LIKE “R DEPTHS, I READ BROOKOOKS LIKE “R TO DAMASCUS.” TO DAMASCUS.” THIS IS THE ONLY WHITE HOUSE THIS IS THE ONLY WHITE HOUSE WHERE YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR WHERE YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK ABOUT WHAT THE GOCHT HOMEWORK ABOUT WHAT THE GOCHT CAN DO BY WATCHING “GOOD FELLAS” CAN DO BY WATCHING “GOOD FELLAS” OVER AND OVER AGAIN. OVER AND OVER AGAIN.>>IT’S REALLY TRUE.>>IT’S REALLY TRUE. SOMETIMES MORE LIKE MARRIED TO SOMETIMES MORE LIKE MARRIED TO THE MOB. THE MOB. THE KIND OF VERSION OF IT. THE KIND OF VERSION OF IT. LOOK, WE HAVE NOW — THIS IS A LOOK, WE HAVE NOW — THIS IS A VERY BROAD-RANGING SUBPOENA AND VERY BROAD-RANGING SUBPOENA AND A WHOLE SMORGUS BOARD OF A WHOLE SMORGUS BOARD OF DIFFERENT CRIMES BOUGHT IT’S DIFFERENT CRIMES BOUGHT IT’S TRUE WE HAVE THE LATTICEWORK NOW TRUE WE HAVE THE LATTICEWORK NOW COMBINING ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT COMBINING ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT NAMES AND EPISODES AND INCIDENTS NAMES AND EPISODES AND INCIDENTS WE’VE HEARD BEFORE THAT MAY LEAD WE’VE HEARD BEFORE THAT MAY LEAD TO UKRAINE, TO QATAR, TO ALL — TO UKRAINE, TO QATAR, TO ALL — IT’S A VERY RICH SERIES OF IT’S A VERY RICH SERIES OF LEADS. LEADS. AND THE FOUNTAINHEAD OF IT ALL, AND THE FOUNTAINHEAD OF IT ALL, MICHAEL COHEN. MICHAEL COHEN. HE IS THE ONE WHO’S BEEN THERE HE IS THE ONE WHO’S BEEN THERE FOR THE TEN YEARS. FOR THE TEN YEARS. IT’S HIS AND RICK GATES’ IT’S HIS AND RICK GATES’ COOPERATION THAT GAVE RISE TO COOPERATION THAT GAVE RISE TO THIS PARTICULAR INVESTIGATION, THIS PARTICULAR INVESTIGATION, AND HE AND THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT AND HE AND THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ARE BASICALLY NOT OF NEW YORK ARE BASICALLY NOT GOING TO STOP UNTIL EVERYTHING GOING TO STOP UNTIL EVERYTHING HAS BEEN UNEARTHED. HAS BEEN UNEARTHED. NOT JUST AS CANDIDATE, NOT JUST NOT JUST AS CANDIDATE, NOT JUST AS NOMINEE, BUT DATING BACK AS NOMINEE, BUT DATING BACK SEVERAL YEARS TO THE WILD AND SEVERAL YEARS TO THE WILD AND WOOLLY TIMES. WOOLLY TIMES. JUST TODAY WE FIND OUT THE TRUMP JUST TODAY WE FIND OUT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN ORGANIZATION OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN SUBPOENAED — COME IN TO TALK TO SUBPOENAED — COME IN TO TALK TO SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK PROSECUTORS. PROSECUTORS. THIS IS A LONG AND COMPLICATED THIS IS A LONG AND COMPLICATED TRAIL. TRAIL.>>PHIL RUCKER, SEE, I’M GOING>>PHIL RUCKER, SEE, I’M GOING TO HAVE DONNY TALK ABOUT WHAT TO HAVE DONNY TALK ABOUT WHAT CHRIS CHRISTIE DESCRIBES AS I’M CHRIS CHRISTIE DESCRIBES AS I’M THINKING DISNEYLAND AND IT’S A THINKING DISNEYLAND AND IT’S A SMALL WORLD. SMALL WORLD. MICHAEL COHEN AS THE TOUR GUIDE. MICHAEL COHEN AS THE TOUR GUIDE. I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT DONALD I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S RELATIONSHIP WITH MIKE B TRUMP’S RELATIONSHIP WITH MIKE B L L COHEN. COHEN. WHAT’S PUBLIC FACING NOW ARE THE WHAT’S PUBLIC FACING NOW ARE THE TWEETS WHERE HE ATTACKS HIM, TWEETS WHERE HE ATTACKS HIM, RUDY GOING OUT AND CALLING HIM A RUDY GOING OUT AND CALLING HIM A LIAR. LIAR. CHRIS CHRISTIE WOULDN’T DENY CHRIS CHRISTIE WOULDN’T DENY THAT THE PRESIDENT AT LEAST AT THAT THE PRESIDENT AT LEAST AT SOME POINT DESIRED, KEEPING SOME POINT DESIRED, KEEPING MICHAEL COHEN VERY CLOSE, ALMOST MICHAEL COHEN VERY CLOSE, ALMOST AS CLOSE AS, YOU KNOW, ON THE AS CLOSE AS, YOU KNOW, ON THE 18-ACRE COMPLEX. 18-ACRE COMPLEX. HE WOULDN’T DENY THAT THAT WAS A HE WOULDN’T DENY THAT THAT WAS A NOTION THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD. NOTION THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD. AND WHEN COHEN’S OFFICE WAS AND WHEN COHEN’S OFFICE WAS RAIDED, I’LL NEVER FORGET RAIDED, I’LL NEVER FORGET BECAUSE IT WAS SO EERIE SEEING BECAUSE IT WAS SO EERIE SEEING HIM SITTING IN THE ROOSEVELT HIM SITTING IN THE ROOSEVELT ROOM SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH ROOM SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH THE COUNTRY’S NATIONAL SECURITY THE COUNTRY’S NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS DESCRIBING A RAIDS ON OFFICIALS DESCRIBING A RAIDS ON HIS FIXER’S OFFICE AS HAPPEN AAN HIS FIXER’S OFFICE AS HAPPEN AAN ON THE NATION. ON THE NATION. TALK ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S TALK ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S SHIFTING STRANGING STORIES, SHIFTING STRANGING STORIES, VIS-A-VIS WHAT MICHAEL COHEN DID VIS-A-VIS WHAT MICHAEL COHEN DID FOR HIM. FOR HIM. AND WHAT MICHAEL COHEN MIGHT BE AND WHAT MICHAEL COHEN MIGHT BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT. ABLE TO TALK ABOUT. NOW THAT HE WORKS FOR THE FEDS. NOW THAT HE WORKS FOR THE FEDS.>>THAT LAST QUESTION, NICOLLE,>>THAT LAST QUESTION, NICOLLE, WHAT CAN HE TALK ABOUT? WHAT CAN HE TALK ABOUT? THE ANSWER IS A WHOELTLE LOT. THE ANSWER IS A WHOELTLE LOT. MICHAEL COHEN WORKED FOR MR. MICHAEL COHEN WORKED FOR MR. TRUMP AS A BUSINESSMAN FOR A TRUMP AS A BUSINESSMAN FOR A FULL DECADE. FULL DECADE. HE WAS IN THE ORBIT. HE WAS IN THE ORBIT. HE WAS HIS LAWYER. HE WAS HIS LAWYER. HE WAS HIS FIXER. HE WAS HIS FIXER. HE WAS HIS FRIEND. HE WAS HIS FRIEND. HE WAS HIS CONFIDANT. HE WAS HIS CONFIDANT. HE WAS HIS DEFENDER. HE WAS HIS DEFENDER. ALSO A KEY POLITICAL ADVISER IN ALSO A KEY POLITICAL ADVISER IN THE RUN-UP TO THE PRESIDENTIAL THE RUN-UP TO THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. CAMPAIGN. HE WAS IN THE ROOM. HE WAS IN THE ROOM. HE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON. HE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON. HE KNEW THE PRESIDENT’S, YOU HE KNEW THE PRESIDENT’S, YOU KNOW, HOW HE CONDUCTED BUSINESS. KNOW, HOW HE CONDUCTED BUSINESS. HE KNEW WHERE THE PRESIDENT HE KNEW WHERE THE PRESIDENT TRIED TO CUT CORNERS. TRIED TO CUT CORNERS. AND HE WAS LEFT OUT WHEN DONALD AND HE WAS LEFT OUT WHEN DONALD TRUMP MOVED TO WASHINGTON. TRUMP MOVED TO WASHINGTON. COHEN HAD, YOU KNOW, DESIGNS ON COHEN HAD, YOU KNOW, DESIGNS ON A BIG OFFICE IN THE WHITE HOUSE A BIG OFFICE IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THOUGHT HE COULD BE WHITE AND THOUGHT HE COULD BE WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL, THOUGHT HE MIGHT HOUSE COUNSEL, THOUGHT HE MIGHT EVEN BE WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF EVEN BE WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF OR AT LEAST GET ABOARD THE STAFF OR AT LEAST GET ABOARD THE TRUMP TRAIN AND BE ALONG FOR THE TRUMP TRAIN AND BE ALONG FOR THE RIDE, BUT HE WAS NOT GIVEN THAT RIDE, BUT HE WAS NOT GIVEN THAT OPPORTUNITY. OPPORTUNITY. HE WAS NOT GIVEN THE JOB BY THE HE WAS NOT GIVEN THE JOB BY THE THEN-PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD THEN-PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP AND THAT’S WHEN THE TRUMP AND THAT’S WHEN THE RELATIONSHIP BEGAN TO FRAY. RELATIONSHIP BEGAN TO FRAY. AND COHEN CLEARLY NOW DOES NOT AND COHEN CLEARLY NOW DOES NOT FEEL ANY LOYALTY TO THE FEEL ANY LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. HE’S COOPERATING WITH THESE HE’S COOPERATING WITH THESE INVESTIGATIONS. INVESTIGATIONS. AND THE PRESIDENT IN TURN IS, AND THE PRESIDENT IN TURN IS, YOU KNOW, PUBLICLY ADMONISHING YOU KNOW, PUBLICLY ADMONISHING HIM. HIM. BUT THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO IS VERY BUT THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO IS VERY CLOSE AND VERY INTIMATE IN THE CLOSE AND VERY INTIMATE IN THE TRUMP WORLD FOR YEARS BEFORE THE TRUMP WORLD FOR YEARS BEFORE THE PRESIDENCY. PRESIDENCY.>>AND ELISE, HE’S ADMONISHING>>AND ELISE, HE’S ADMONISHING HIM FOR DISLOYALTY. HIM FOR DISLOYALTY. NOT FOR ANY OF HIS CONDUCT AS A NOT FOR ANY OF HIS CONDUCT AS A FIXER BECAUSE I THINK AS THE FIXER BECAUSE I THINK AS THE SENTENCING DOCUMENTS FROM THE SENTENCING DOCUMENTS FROM THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT SHOW, IT WAS A SOUTHERN DISTRICT SHOW, IT WAS A SCHEME DIRECTED BY THE SCHEME DIRECTED BY THE PRESIDENT, BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU PRESIDENT, BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE THROUGH LINE. ABOUT THE THROUGH LINE. THE THROUGH LINE THAT RUNS THE THROUGH LINE THAT RUNS THRUST THE SUBPOENA FOR THE THRUST THE SUBPOENA FOR THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE, THROUGH THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE, THROUGH THE INVESTIGATION, WHAT WE KNOW INVESTIGATION, WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE TRUMP ORG, THROUGH THE ABOUT THE TRUMP ORG, THROUGH THE MUELLER PROBE, THROUGH THE FBI MUELLER PROBE, THROUGH THE FBI COUNTERINTELLIGENCE COUNTERINTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATION INTO DONALD TRUMP, INVESTIGATION INTO DONALD TRUMP, IS RUSSIA. IS RUSSIA.>>AND IT’S A FOREIGN INTEREST.>>AND IT’S A FOREIGN INTEREST. AND THE BIG QUESTION FOR ME, FAR AND THE BIG QUESTION FOR ME, FAR BIGGER THAN WHATEVER THE MUELLER BIGGER THAN WHATEVER THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION FINDS OUT, HAS INVESTIGATION FINDS OUT, HAS DONALD TRUMP BEEN ACTING IN THE DONALD TRUMP BEEN ACTING IN THE SERVICE OF THE NATIONAL SERVICE OF THE NATIONAL INTERESTS OR OF A FOREIGN INTERESTS OR OF A FOREIGN INTEREST? INTEREST? THAT’S WHAT I HOPE THAT WE’RE THAT’S WHAT I HOPE THAT WE’RE GOING TO FIND OUT BECAUSE THERE GOING TO FIND OUT BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY THROUGH LINES ARE TOO MANY THROUGH LINES STARTING FROM THE REPUBLICAN STARTING FROM THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION IN CLEVELAND NATIONAL CONVENTION IN CLEVELAND BACK IN 2016, AND YOU LOOK AT BACK IN 2016, AND YOU LOOK AT THE VARIOUS AMOUNT OF CASH THAT THE VARIOUS AMOUNT OF CASH THAT HAS BEEN POTENTIALLY FLOWING HAS BEEN POTENTIALLY FLOWING THROUGH THESE ENTITIES AND THROUGH THESE ENTITIES AND DONORS AND MIKE FLYNN BEING A DONORS AND MIKE FLYNN BEING A LOBBYIST FOR TURKEY, IT DOES NOT LOBBYIST FOR TURKEY, IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE, AND SO DONALD — AND MAKE SENSE, AND SO DONALD — AND YOU ALSO LOOKING AT THE KUSHNER YOU ALSO LOOKING AT THE KUSHNER FAMILY AND THEY’RE UNDERWATER AT FAMILY AND THEY’RE UNDERWATER AT 666 5th AVENUE AND HOW DID THAT 666 5th AVENUE AND HOW DID THAT INFLUENCE FOREIGN POLICY IN THE INFLUENCE FOREIGN POLICY IN THE GULF? GULF? THERE ARE MANY, MANY QUESTIONS THERE ARE MANY, MANY QUESTIONS TO BANSANSWERED AND IT’S PETRIFY TO BANSANSWERED AND IT’S PETRIFY THAT THIS IS HOW OR FOREIGN THAT THIS IS HOW OR FOREIGN POLICY THAT’S BEEN CONDUCTED. POLICY THAT’S BEEN CONDUCTED.>>SOMEONE THAT’S TRYING TO GET>>SOMEONE THAT’S TRYING TO GET SOME ANSWERS FOR ALL OF US, SOME ANSWERS FOR ALL OF US, CONGRESSMAN ERIC SWALWELL, CONGRESSMAN ERIC SWALWELL, MEMBER OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY MEMBER OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, INTEL COMMITTEE. COMMITTEE, INTEL COMMITTEE. I WAS BACK IN OUR HOME STATE, I I WAS BACK IN OUR HOME STATE, I WAS IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA LAST WAS IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA LAST WEEK. WEEK. I JUST WANT TO BLOW UP THE IDEA I JUST WANT TO BLOW UP THE IDEA THAT ORDINARY PEOPLE DON’T THAT ORDINARY PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND THE RUSSIA PROBE. UNDERSTAND THE RUSSIA PROBE. THAT’S BS. THAT’S BS. I WAS ASKED TONS OF QUESTIONS. I WAS ASKED TONS OF QUESTIONS. PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT DEUTSCHE BANK. PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT DEUTSCHE BANK. PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT PAUL MANAFORT. PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT PAUL MANAFORT. PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT HIS DEPUTY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT HIS DEPUTY RICK GATES AND PEOPLE KNOW THAT RICK GATES AND PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY ARE ALL NOW WORKING FOR THEY ARE ALL NOW WORKING FOR ROBERT MUELLER AND PEOPLE ARE ROBERT MUELLER AND PEOPLE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN KNOWING THAT VERY INTERESTED IN KNOWING THAT OUR ELECTIONS WILL BE PROTECTED OUR ELECTIONS WILL BE PROTECTED IN 2020 FROM RUSSIAN IN 2020 FROM RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE. INTERFERENCE. I WONDER WHAT YOU TELL THEM I WONDER WHAT YOU TELL THEM YOU’RE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT’S YOU’RE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT’S THE CASE AND TO GET TO THE THE CASE AND TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT HAPPENED IN 2016. BOTTOM OF WHAT HAPPENED IN 2016.>>THAT’S RIGHT, NICOLLE, AND>>THAT’S RIGHT, NICOLLE, AND THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM HERE IN THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM HERE IN WASHINGTON IS PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF WASHINGTON IS PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF WASHINGTON DON’T CARE ABOUT THE WASHINGTON DON’T CARE ABOUT THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. MY CONSTITUENTS IN CALIFORNIA MY CONSTITUENTS IN CALIFORNIA CERTAINLY DO. CERTAINLY DO. WHEN I’M IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WHEN I’M IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, IT’S BECAUSE THE COUNTRY, IT’S BECAUSE THE CONCERN IS THAT RUSSIA IS NOT CONCERN IS THAT RUSSIA IS NOT ATTACKING US TO BENEFIT ATTACKING US TO BENEFIT TRANSACTIONALLY FROM DONALD TRANSACTIONALLY FROM DONALD TRUMP, ALTHOUGH THAT’S A TRUMP, ALTHOUGH THAT’S A COLLATERAL BENEFIT. COLLATERAL BENEFIT. PEOPLE GET THAT THEY WANT TO PEOPLE GET THAT THEY WANT TO TEAR DOWN THE VALUES WE HAVE OF TEAR DOWN THE VALUES WE HAVE OF RULE OF LAW, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, RULE OF LAW, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, HUMAN RIGHTS, BECAUSE THEY KNOW HUMAN RIGHTS, BECAUSE THEY KNOW IF YOU TEAR THAT DOWN IN IF YOU TEAR THAT DOWN IN AMERICA, THEN YOU CAN STOP THAT AMERICA, THEN YOU CAN STOP THAT FROM EVER COMING TO RUSSIA OR FROM EVER COMING TO RUSSIA OR RUSSIANS EVER WANTING THAT IN RUSSIANS EVER WANTING THAT IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. THEIR OWN COUNTRY. AND SO THE BEST WAY TO PROTECT AND SO THE BEST WAY TO PROTECT THAT IS INVEST IN TECHNOLOGIES THAT IS INVEST IN TECHNOLOGIES AT THE BALLOT BOX TO KEEP US AT THE BALLOT BOX TO KEEP US SECURE, BUT NICOLLE, THE SECURE, BUT NICOLLE, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHY THESE UNDERSTAND WHY THESE INVESTIGATIONS ARE SO IMPORTANT. INVESTIGATIONS ARE SO IMPORTANT. REMEMBER, NOW, IT’S NOT JUST THE REMEMBER, NOW, IT’S NOT JUST THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, NOT JUST THE MUELLER PROBE AND NOT JUST THE MUELLER PROBE AND NOT JUST CONGRESS. NOT JUST CONGRESS. ALSO, THERE ARE SUBPOENAS ISSUED ALSO, THERE ARE SUBPOENAS ISSUED BY THE STATE OF MARYLAND BY THE STATE OF MARYLAND YESTERDAY AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE A YESTERDAY AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE A GRIFTER PRESIDENT, THAT AFFECTS GRIFTER PRESIDENT, THAT AFFECTS HIS ABILITY TO ADVOCATE ON HIS ABILITY TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. AND IT AFFECTS HIS ABILITY TO AND IT AFFECTS HIS ABILITY TO DELIVER ON THE PROMISES HE MADE DELIVER ON THE PROMISES HE MADE IN THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. IN THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.>>I WANT TO DRILL DOWN, IF I>>I WANT TO DRILL DOWN, IF I MAY, WITH THIS NEWS YESTERDAY MAY, WITH THIS NEWS YESTERDAY ABOUT A SUBPOENA FOR THE ABOUT A SUBPOENA FOR THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE AND READ YOU INAUGURAL COMMITTEE AND READ YOU A LITTLE BIT FROM “THE NEW YORK A LITTLE BIT FROM “THE NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTING. TIMES” REPORTING. THE “TIMES” WRITES, “IN RAIDS OF THE “TIMES” WRITES, “IN RAIDS OF MR. COHEN’S OFFICE, HOME AND MR. COHEN’S OFFICE, HOME AND HOTEL ROOM IN APRIL, FBI AGENTS HOTEL ROOM IN APRIL, FBI AGENTS SEIZED HIS CELL PHONES WHICH SEIZED HIS CELL PHONES WHICH INCLUDED MANY DOZENS OF VOICE INCLUDED MANY DOZENS OF VOICE RECORDINGS, MOSTLY VOICEMAIL RECORDINGS, MOSTLY VOICEMAIL MESSAGES, ACCORDING TO PEOPLE MESSAGES, ACCORDING TO PEOPLE BRIEFED ON THE SEIZED MATERIAL. BRIEFED ON THE SEIZED MATERIAL. IN ONE, MR. COHEN SPOKE TO IN ONE, MR. COHEN SPOKE TO STEPHANIE WINSTON WOLCOFF, TOP STEPHANIE WINSTON WOLCOFF, TOP OFFICIAL ON THE INAUGURAL OFFICIAL ON THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE. COMMITTEE. IS YOUR COMMITTEE AT LEAST ON IS YOUR COMMITTEE AT LEAST ON THE FOREIGN CONTACT SIDE GOING THE FOREIGN CONTACT SIDE GOING TO LOOK AT THE PRESIDENT’S TO LOOK AT THE PRESIDENT’S INAUGURAL COMMITTEE AND IS ANY INAUGURAL COMMITTEE AND IS ANY OF THIS EVIDENCE OF INTEREST TO OF THIS EVIDENCE OF INTEREST TO YOU AND YOUR INVESTIGATION? YOU AND YOUR INVESTIGATION?>>SO SPEAKING AS A JUDICIARY>>SO SPEAKING AS A JUDICIARY COMMITTEE MEMBER, A THINK A LOT COMMITTEE MEMBER, A THINK A LOT OF THIS WILL FALL UNDER OUR OF THIS WILL FALL UNDER OUR PURVIEW, YES, WE WANT TO KNOW PURVIEW, YES, WE WANT TO KNOW HOW COMPROMISED AND CORRUPT THE HOW COMPROMISED AND CORRUPT THE PRESIDENT AND THE TEAM AROUND PRESIDENT AND THE TEAM AROUND HIM WERE AND CONTINUE TO BE. HIM WERE AND CONTINUE TO BE. ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO FOREIGN INFLUENCE EFFORTS. FOREIGN INFLUENCE EFFORTS. AND WE SHOULDN’T ASSUME, AND WE SHOULDN’T ASSUME, NICOLLE, THAT THIS PRESIDENT WAS NICOLLE, THAT THIS PRESIDENT WAS ONLY FAITHFUL TO RUSSIA. ONLY FAITHFUL TO RUSSIA. IT LOOKS LIKE HE ALSO HAD IT LOOKS LIKE HE ALSO HAD INTERESTS WITH SAUDI ARABIA AND, INTERESTS WITH SAUDI ARABIA AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS THEM YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS THEM INVESTING IN HIM DECADES AGO AND INVESTING IN HIM DECADES AGO AND BAILING HIM OUT, BUYING HIS BAILING HIM OUT, BUYING HIS YACHTS OR BUYING HIS CONDOS, HE YACHTS OR BUYING HIS CONDOS, HE WAS — HE VISITED THEM FIRST WAS — HE VISITED THEM FIRST WHEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT AND WE WHEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT AND WE SAW THAT THEY INVESTED IN BUYING SAW THAT THEY INVESTED IN BUYING OVER 500 HOTEL ROOMS IN THE OVER 500 HOTEL ROOMS IN THE FIRST FEW WEEKS AFTER THAT FIRST FEW WEEKS AFTER THAT INAUGURATION. INAUGURATION. SO THERE’S A LOT TO WORK ON SO THERE’S A LOT TO WORK ON HERE, NICOLLE. HERE, NICOLLE. I’LL JUST SAY WE MUST MAKE SURE I’LL JUST SAY WE MUST MAKE SURE THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT BENEFIT THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT BENEFIT AND ALLOW MORE TO BECOME LESS AND ALLOW MORE TO BECOME LESS BECAUSE SOMEHOW, THE MORE BECAUSE SOMEHOW, THE MORE INVESTIGATIONS THAT STACK UP, IT INVESTIGATIONS THAT STACK UP, IT BECOMES MORE WORK FOR BECOMES MORE WORK FOR CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATORS, BUT CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATORS, BUT WE CAN’T LET THAT BE LEFT IN THE WE CAN’T LET THAT BE LEFT IN THE MINDS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. MINDS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.>>LET ME SPEAK IN CONCRETE>>LET ME SPEAK IN CONCRETE TERMS ABOUT WHAT THINGS I KNOW TERMS ABOUT WHAT THINGS I KNOW ARE ON YOUR SCHEDULE FRIDAY. ARE ON YOUR SCHEDULE FRIDAY. I BELIEFVE MICHAEL COHEN IS IN I BELIEFVE MICHAEL COHEN IS IN FRONT OF ONE OF THE COMMITTEES, FRONT OF ONE OF THE COMMITTEES, HOUSE INTEL COMMITTEE. HOUSE INTEL COMMITTEE. I BELIEVE MATT WHITAKER IS ON I BELIEVE MATT WHITAKER IS ON THE OTHER. THE OTHER. YOU CAN EXPLAIN HOW YOU’RE GOING YOU CAN EXPLAIN HOW YOU’RE GOING TO DIVIDE YOUR TIME TO US, TOO. TO DIVIDE YOUR TIME TO US, TOO. FIRST, I WANT TO START WITH FIRST, I WANT TO START WITH COHEN. COHEN. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IN WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IN FRIDAY’S CLOSED TESTIMONY WITH FRIDAY’S CLOSED TESTIMONY WITH COHEN? COHEN?>>MICHAEL COHEN LIVED IN THE>>MICHAEL COHEN LIVED IN THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL, POLITICAL, PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL, POLITICAL, AND PROFESSIONAL LIFE AND HE HAD AND PROFESSIONAL LIFE AND HE HAD FRONT-ROW KNOWLEDGE AS TO WHAT FRONT-ROW KNOWLEDGE AS TO WHAT DONALD TRUMP’S INTENTIONS WERE, DONALD TRUMP’S INTENTIONS WERE, WHETHER IT WAS BUSINESS DEALS IN WHETHER IT WAS BUSINESS DEALS IN RUSSIA, WHETHER IT WAS WHAT THE RUSSIA, WHETHER IT WAS WHAT THE RUSSIANS WERE DOING ON HIS RUSSIANS WERE DOING ON HIS BEHALF WHEN THEY WERE SAYING TO BEHALF WHEN THEY WERE SAYING TO MICHAEL COHEN, IF YOU CONNECT MICHAEL COHEN, IF YOU CONNECT DONALD TRUMP AND VLADIMIR PUTIN, DONALD TRUMP AND VLADIMIR PUTIN, WE CAN ENGINEER THIS ELECTION WE CAN ENGINEER THIS ELECTION AND MAKE OUR BOY, DONALD TRUMP, AND MAKE OUR BOY, DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. SO WHAT WAS DONALD TRUMP’S SO WHAT WAS DONALD TRUMP’S KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ALL THAT? KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ALL THAT? AND THEN JUST THE SHADOWY WAYS AND THEN JUST THE SHADOWY WAYS THAT THEY OPERATED THEN ONCE WE THAT THEY OPERATED THEN ONCE WE UNDERSTAND WHY MICHAEL COHEN UNDERSTAND WHY MICHAEL COHEN LIED FOR DONALD TRUMP, WHETHER LIED FOR DONALD TRUMP, WHETHER HE WAS DIRECTED TO LIE FOR HE WAS DIRECTED TO LIE FOR DONALD TRUMP, IT WILL ALLOW US DONALD TRUMP, IT WILL ALLOW US TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE OTHER TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE OTHER WITNESSES WHO ARE PRESENTLY WITNESSES WHO ARE PRESENTLY LYING FOR DONALD TRUMP, AND WHAT LYING FOR DONALD TRUMP, AND WHAT THEIR MOTIVES ARE AND, PRANCE, THEIR MOTIVES ARE AND, PRANCE, HOW YOU CAN CRACK THEM. HOW YOU CAN CRACK THEM.>>CAN YOU GIVE US A SUSPECT>>CAN YOU GIVE US A SUSPECT LIST OF THAT GROUP THAT YOU JUST LIST OF THAT GROUP THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED? DESCRIBED? THE WITNESSES WHO ARE PRESENTLY THE WITNESSES WHO ARE PRESENTLY LYING FOR DONALD TRUMP? LYING FOR DONALD TRUMP?>>YEAH, WELL, WE INTERVIEWED>>YEAH, WELL, WE INTERVIEWED DOZENS IN OUR LAST INVESTIGATION DOZENS IN OUR LAST INVESTIGATION AND THEY INCLUDE THE PEOPLE WHO AND THEY INCLUDE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CLOSEST TO HIM AT THE TRUMP ARE CLOSEST TO HIM AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, FAMILY MEMBERS, ORGANIZATION, FAMILY MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ON THE CAMPAIGN YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ON THE CAMPAIGN TEAM, BUT WE CAN NOW SUBPOENA TEAM, BUT WE CAN NOW SUBPOENA THE THIRD-PARTY WITNESSES IN THE THIRD-PARTY WITNESSES IN DOCUMENTS THAT THE FEDERAL DOCUMENTS THAT THE FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS ARE GOING AFTER INVESTIGATORS ARE GOING AFTER NOW. NOW. AND LET ME, ALSO I JUST WANT TO AND LET ME, ALSO I JUST WANT TO SAY QUICKLY ON WHITAKER, THE SAY QUICKLY ON WHITAKER, THE POINT OF WHITAKER IS NOT ABOUT POINT OF WHITAKER IS NOT ABOUT WHITAKER, THIS IS A DAMAGE WHITAKER, THIS IS A DAMAGE ASSESSMENT OF THE RULE OF LAW ASSESSMENT OF THE RULE OF LAW BECAUSE IT’S HAS A WRECKING BALL BECAUSE IT’S HAS A WRECKING BALL TAKEN TO IT FOR THE LAST TWO TAKEN TO IT FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. YEARS. HE’S THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT HE’S THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER RIGHT NOW. OFFICER RIGHT NOW. AND WE WANT TO SEE IF THE RULE AND WE WANT TO SEE IF THE RULE OF LAW IS STILL STANDING IN THIS OF LAW IS STILL STANDING IN THIS COUNTRY PRINCIPALLY AS IT COUNTRY PRINCIPALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE LARGEST RELATES TO THE LARGEST INVESTIGATION OUR COUNTRY HAS INVESTIGATION OUR COUNTRY HAS EVER SEEN OF A PRESIDENT AND EVER SEEN OF A PRESIDENT AND THAT’S THE MUELLER PROBE. THAT’S THE MUELLER PROBE.>>LET ME FOLLOW UP FIRST ON>>LET ME FOLLOW UP FIRST ON WHITAKER. WHITAKER. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THE KIND OF ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THE KIND OF SPECIFICITY, ARE YOU GOING TO SPECIFICITY, ARE YOU GOING TO ASK HIM — AND I UNDERSTAND ASK HIM — AND I UNDERSTAND HE’LL BE UNDER OATH OR IF HE HE’LL BE UNDER OATH OR IF HE LIES, IT WOULD BE AS THOUGH HE LIES, IT WOULD BE AS THOUGH HE LIED UNDER OATH. LIED UNDER OATH. SO ARE YOU GOING TO ASK HIM IF SO ARE YOU GOING TO ASK HIM IF HE’S HAD SPECIFIC CONVERSATIONS HE’S HAD SPECIFIC CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PRESIDENT ABOUT THE WITH THE PRESIDENT ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE MUELLER PROBE? STATUS OF THE MUELLER PROBE?>>YES.>>YES. FIRST, IT’S WHY ARE YOU HERE? FIRST, IT’S WHY ARE YOU HERE? ESSENTIALLY, HOW DID YOU GET ESSENTIALLY, HOW DID YOU GET THIS JOB? THIS JOB? DID YOU ADVOCATE FOR IT? DID YOU ADVOCATE FOR IT? YOU KNOW, WORKING AROUND YOUR YOU KNOW, WORKING AROUND YOUR BOSS, JEFF SESSIONS, AND TELLING BOSS, JEFF SESSIONS, AND TELLING THE PRESIDENT THAT YOU WOULD THE PRESIDENT THAT YOU WOULD BRING DOWN OR, YOU KNOW, STIFLE BRING DOWN OR, YOU KNOW, STIFLE THE MUELLER PROBE? THE MUELLER PROBE? AND THEN SECOND, WHAT PROMISES AND THEN SECOND, WHAT PROMISES DID YOU MAKE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP DID YOU MAKE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP ABOUT THE PROBE? ABOUT THE PROBE? THIRD, WHY DID YOU NOT RECUSE THIRD, WHY DID YOU NOT RECUSE YOURSELF WHEN YOU WERE ADVISED YOURSELF WHEN YOU WERE ADVISED TO RECUSE YOURSELF? TO RECUSE YOURSELF? AND THEN ALSO WANT TO KNOW, WHAT AND THEN ALSO WANT TO KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU PASSING BACK, IF ARE YOU PASSING BACK, IF ANYTHING TO THE PRESIDENT OR HIS ANYTHING TO THE PRESIDENT OR HIS DEFENSE COUNSEL AS YOU ARE DEFENSE COUNSEL AS YOU ARE STARTING TO GET READ IN TO THE STARTING TO GET READ IN TO THE MUELLER PROBE? MUELLER PROBE?>>AND I WANT –>>AND I WANT –>>FROM HIS APPOINTMENT TO THE>>FROM HIS APPOINTMENT TO THE RECUSAL TO WHY HE INEXPLICABLY RECUSAL TO WHY HE INEXPLICABLY TOLD THE COUNTRY THE MUELLER TOLD THE COUNTRY THE MUELLER PROBE WAS WINDING DOWN. PROBE WAS WINDING DOWN.>>JUST THE VERY ACT OF GETTING>>JUST THE VERY ACT OF GETTING A JOB, HE WAS THE CHIEF OF STAFF A JOB, HE WAS THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE GUY THAT WAS FIRED. TO THE GUY THAT WAS FIRED. HE SEEMED A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD HE SEEMED A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A CONSCIENCE AND NOT GO IN HAVE A CONSCIENCE AND NOT GO IN AND DO THAT. AND DO THAT. I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT WHAT’S I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT WHAT’S FISHY. FISHY. I WANT TO JUMP BACK TO COHEN I WANT TO JUMP BACK TO COHEN QUICKLY AND JUST ISOLATE QUICKLY AND JUST ISOLATE SOMETHING YOU SAID. SOMETHING YOU SAID. MY FRIENDS AT THE JUSTICE MY FRIENDS AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SOMETIMES ACCUSE ME DEPARTMENT SOMETIMES ACCUSE ME OF OVERDRAMATIZING LEGS OF THE OF OVERDRAMATIZING LEGS OF THE INVESTIGATION BUT I DON’T THINK INVESTIGATION BUT I DON’T THINK IT’S DRAMATIC ENOUGH TO SAY THAT IT’S DRAMATIC ENOUGH TO SAY THAT YOU WANT TO ASK COHEN WHO ASKED YOU WANT TO ASK COHEN WHO ASKED HIM TO LIE. HIM TO LIE. I MEAN, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SORT I MEAN, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SORT OF THE INVESTIGATIVE VERSION OF, OF THE INVESTIGATIVE VERSION OF, YOU KNOW, WHO CALLED THE CODE YOU KNOW, WHO CALLED THE CODE RED? RED? I MEAN, WHO TOLD YOU TO TELL I MEAN, WHO TOLD YOU TO TELL THIS LIE WHICH HAPPENED TO BE THIS LIE WHICH HAPPENED TO BE THE SAME LIE MANY OTHER PEOPLE THE SAME LIE MANY OTHER PEOPLE IF THE PRESIDENT’S BUSINESS AND IF THE PRESIDENT’S BUSINESS AND POLITICAL ORBITS TOLD, LIES POLITICAL ORBITS TOLD, LIES ABOUT RUSSIA, LIES ABOUT ABOUT RUSSIA, LIES ABOUT BUSINESS INTEREST WITH RUSSIA, BUSINESS INTEREST WITH RUSSIA, LIES ABOUT CONTACT WITH RUSSIA? LIES ABOUT CONTACT WITH RUSSIA?>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT. EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT MICHAEL EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN IS THAT HE FAITHFULLY COHEN IS THAT HE FAITHFULLY EXECUTED DIRECTIVES ON BEHALF OF EXECUTED DIRECTIVES ON BEHALF OF DONALD TRUMP FOR OVER A DECADE. DONALD TRUMP FOR OVER A DECADE. SO EVERYTHING HE WOULD DO WAS SO EVERYTHING HE WOULD DO WAS ONLY BY DIRECTION OF DONALD ONLY BY DIRECTION OF DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP. SO IF HE LIED TO CONGRESS, WHICH SO IF HE LIED TO CONGRESS, WHICH HE PLED GUILTY TO, I THINK LOGIC HE PLED GUILTY TO, I THINK LOGIC DICTATES THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW DICTATES THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW WAS THAT AT THE DIRECTION OF WAS THAT AT THE DIRECTION OF DONALD TRUMP? DONALD TRUMP? WE INTERVIEWED HOPE HICKS AND I WE INTERVIEWED HOPE HICKS AND I ASKED HER DURING AN EXCHANGE ASKED HER DURING AN EXCHANGE THAT WE HAD IN OUR INTERVIEW IF THAT WE HAD IN OUR INTERVIEW IF DONALD TRUMP HAD EVER ASKED HER DONALD TRUMP HAD EVER ASKED HER TO LIE AND SHE INVOKED A NUMBER TO LIE AND SHE INVOKED A NUMBER OF PRIVILEGES, REFUSED TO ANSWER OF PRIVILEGES, REFUSED TO ANSWER BUT FINALLY TOLD US SHE HAD, IN BUT FINALLY TOLD US SHE HAD, IN FACT, TOLD WHITE LIES FOR DONALD FACT, TOLD WHITE LIES FOR DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP. SO WE KNOW THAT THIS IS THE M.O. SO WE KNOW THAT THIS IS THE M.O. OF DONALD TRUMP. OF DONALD TRUMP. IT’S TO MAKE DIRECTIVES LIKE IT’S TO MAKE DIRECTIVES LIKE THAT AND I THINK WE WILL THAT AND I THINK WE WILL PROBABLY FIND THAT THAT MAY BE PROBABLY FIND THAT THAT MAY BE WHAT MOTIVATED MICHAEL COHEN TO WHAT MOTIVATED MICHAEL COHEN TO LIE TO CONGRESS. LIE TO CONGRESS.>>HARRY LITMAN, LET ME ASK YOU>>HARRY LITMAN, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT. ABOUT THAT. THIS PATTERN OF LYING IS THIS PATTERN OF LYING IS SOMETHING THAT IN DONALD TRUMP’S SOMETHING THAT IN DONALD TRUMP’S MIND, HE DESCRIBED IN AN MIND, HE DESCRIBED IN AN INTERVIEW SUNDAY TO CBS. INTERVIEW SUNDAY TO CBS. EVEN WITH THE DEFINITION OF A EVEN WITH THE DEFINITION OF A CRIME IS SEEMS TO BE LOST ON THE CRIME IS SEEMS TO BE LOST ON THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF THE COUNTRY, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF THE COUNTRY, THE PERSON WHO SITS ATOP THE THE PERSON WHO SITS ATOP THE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT BUREAUCRACY. BUREAUCRACY.>>YEAH, I MEAN, FROM A POLICY>>YEAH, I MEAN, FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, IN SOME WAYS, IT’S STANDPOINT, IN SOME WAYS, IT’S THE MOST ABIDING AND REALLY THE MOST ABIDING AND REALLY TROUBLING ASPECT OF THE WHOLE TROUBLING ASPECT OF THE WHOLE PRESIDENCY. PRESIDENCY. HE WAKES UP LYING AND LIES ALL HE WAKES UP LYING AND LIES ALL DAY AND SEEMS TO THINK NOTHING DAY AND SEEMS TO THINK NOTHING OF IT. OF IT. BUT AS A FEDERAL CRIMINAL BUT AS A FEDERAL CRIMINAL MATTER, A MATTER FOR CONGRESS TO MATTER, A MATTER FOR CONGRESS TO INVESTIGATE, IT’S SERIOUS STUFF. INVESTIGATE, IT’S SERIOUS STUFF. THE SAME THING THAT WE HAD IN THE SAME THING THAT WE HAD IN IRAN CONTRA OR WATERGATE, ET IRAN CONTRA OR WATERGATE, ET CETERA. CETERA. IT’S THROWING SAND IN THE GEARS IT’S THROWING SAND IN THE GEARS OF VITAL INVESTIGATIONS AND OF VITAL INVESTIGATIONS AND KEEPING PEOPLE FROM KNOWING THE KEEPING PEOPLE FROM KNOWING THE TRUTH. TRUTH. USUALLY TO SERVE YOURSELF. USUALLY TO SERVE YOURSELF. AND IT OFTEN INVOLVES AND IT OFTEN INVOLVES CONSPIRACY, FOR INSTANCE, THE CONSPIRACY, FOR INSTANCE, THE HOPE HICKS STORY ON THE PLANE HOPE HICKS STORY ON THE PLANE ABOUT THE RUSSIA TRUMP TOWER ABOUT THE RUSSIA TRUMP TOWER MEETING. MEETING. WHAT COULD BE MORE IMPORTANT WHAT COULD BE MORE IMPORTANT EVEN THAN THE CRIMINAL ASPECTS EVEN THAN THE CRIMINAL ASPECTS THAN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GETTING THAN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GETTING THE TRUTH AND THAT IS WHAT THIS THE TRUTH AND THAT IS WHAT THIS PATTERN IS A DIRECT ASSAULT ON. PATTERN IS A DIRECT ASSAULT ON.>>PHIL RUCKER, HOPE HICKS’ NAME>>PHIL RUCKER, HOPE HICKS’ NAME HAS BEEN INVOKED TWICE, ONE I HAS BEEN INVOKED TWICE, ONE I HAVEN’T THOUGHT ABOUT IN A HAVEN’T THOUGHT ABOUT IN A WHILE, BUT IT DOES REMIND ME WHILE, BUT IT DOES REMIND ME THERE IS AN ACTIVE OBSTRUCTION THERE IS AN ACTIVE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE INVESTIGATION UNDER OF JUSTICE INVESTIGATION UNDER WAY INTO THIS PRESIDENT. WAY INTO THIS PRESIDENT. HE’S ALSO ESSENTIALLY AN HE’S ALSO ESSENTIALLY AN UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR IN THE UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. AND THE MUELLER PROBE IS NOW AND THE MUELLER PROBE IS NOW STILL LOOMING LARGE OVER HIS STILL LOOMING LARGE OVER HIS HEAD. HEAD. MAYBE SOME SORT OF INTERIM MAYBE SOME SORT OF INTERIM REPORT OR SOME SORT OF UPDATE TO REPORT OR SOME SORT OF UPDATE TO BE DELIVERED, PERHAPS, TO THE BE DELIVERED, PERHAPS, TO THE NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL. NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL. WHAT IS SORT OF THE CURRENT WHAT IS SORT OF THE CURRENT WHITE HOUSE POSTURE ABOUT ALL OF WHITE HOUSE POSTURE ABOUT ALL OF THESE SPOKES POINTING INWARD THESE SPOKES POINTING INWARD DIRECTLY AT THE PRESIDENT? DIRECTLY AT THE PRESIDENT?>>WELL, THE OBSTRUCTION OF>>WELL, THE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE INVESTIGATION IS JUSTICE INVESTIGATION IS IMPORTANT, AS YOU JUST POINTED IMPORTANT, AS YOU JUST POINTED OUT AND OFTEN OVERLOOKED WHEN OUT AND OFTEN OVERLOOKED WHEN WE’RE TALKING SO MUCH ABOUT WE’RE TALKING SO MUCH ABOUT POSSIBLE COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA, POSSIBLE COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA, BUT WE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT SO BUT WE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT SO MANY OF THE PRESIDENT’S TOP MANY OF THE PRESIDENT’S TOP ADVISERS INCLUDING HIS COUNSEL, ADVISERS INCLUDING HIS COUNSEL, DON McGAHN, HAVE SPENT HOURS AS DON McGAHN, HAVE SPENT HOURS AS WITNESSES BEFORE MUELLER AND WITNESSES BEFORE MUELLER AND BEFORE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL BEFORE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL INVESTIGATORS GOING OVER KEY INVESTIGATORS GOING OVER KEY MOMENTS, RECOLLECTING, YOU KNOW, MOMENTS, RECOLLECTING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID, WHEN WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID, WHEN AND WHERE AND WHY, AND WHAT AND WHERE AND WHY, AND WHAT HAPPENED AS MUELLER BUILDS A HAPPENED AS MUELLER BUILDS A NARRATIVE THAT TELLS US ABOUT NARRATIVE THAT TELLS US ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S INTERACTIONS AND THE PRESIDENT’S INTERACTIONS AND INVOLVEMENTS AT SOME OF THESE INVOLVEMENTS AT SOME OF THESE KEY MOMENTS INCLUDING THE FIRING KEY MOMENTS INCLUDING THE FIRING OF JIM COMEY AS THE FBI OF JIM COMEY AS THE FBI DIRECTOR, INCLUDING WRITING THAT DIRECTOR, INCLUDING WRITING THAT FALSE — DICTATING THAT FALSE FALSE — DICTATING THAT FALSE STATEMENT ABOARD AFFORCE ONE FOR STATEMENT ABOARD AFFORCE ONE FOR HIS SON, DON JUNIOR. HIS SON, DON JUNIOR. ALL THAT THATIS GOING TO COME TO ALL THAT THATIS GOING TO COME TO HEAD AT SOME POINT WHEN THE HEAD AT SOME POINT WHEN THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION WRAPS UP. MUELLER INVESTIGATION WRAPS UP. THE WHITE HOUSE POSTURE TODAY IS THE WHITE HOUSE POSTURE TODAY IS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIGHT AND USE PRIVILEGE TO FIGHT AND USE PRIVILEGE TO PREVENT ASPECTS OF THAT REPORT PREVENT ASPECTS OF THAT REPORT FROM BECOMING PUBLIC. FROM BECOMING PUBLIC. IT’S SOMETHING THAT THE IT’S SOMETHING THAT THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS AS WELL AS PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS AS WELL AS THE WHITE HOUSE COUNSELS HAVE THE WHITE HOUSE COUNSELS HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON IN THE LAST FEW BEEN FOCUSED ON IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS TRYING TO EXERT MONTHS TRYING TO EXERT PRIVILEGE, TRYING TO PREVENT KEY PRIVILEGE, TRYING TO PREVENT KEY PARTS OF THAT REPORT FROM BEING PARTS OF THAT REPORT FROM BEING MADE PUBLIC TO THE CONGRESS. MADE PUBLIC TO THE CONGRESS. NOW, IT’S GOING TO BE UP TO THE NOW, IT’S GOING TO BE UP TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THAT COULD ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THAT COULD BE BARR BY THE TIME THIS ALL BE BARR BY THE TIME THIS ALL COMES TO A HEAD TO DECIDE WHAT COMES TO A HEAD TO DECIDE WHAT TO RELEASE TO CONGRESS, IF TO RELEASE TO CONGRESS, IF ANYTHING, AND THERE IS CERTAINLY ANYTHING, AND THERE IS CERTAINLY A FIGHT THAT’S TAKING SHAPE A FIGHT THAT’S TAKING SHAPE BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT OF BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND THE CONGRESS WHERE JUSTICE AND THE CONGRESS WHERE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO BE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO BE CALLING FOR A LOT OF THESE CALLING FOR A LOT OF THESE DETAILS TO BE MADE PUBLIC. DETAILS TO BE MADE PUBLIC. BUT THAT’S THE THINKING RIGHT BUT THAT’S THE THINKING RIGHT NOW, TO TRY TO PREVENT DAMAGING NOW, TO TRY TO PREVENT DAMAGING INFORMATION FROM BEING CONSUMED INFORMATION FROM BEING CONSUMED BY THE PUBLIC. BY THE PUBLIC. BY US. BY US.>>CONGRESSMAN, LET ME GIVE YOU>>CONGRESSMAN, LET ME GIVE YOU THE LAST WORD ON THAT. THE LAST WORD ON THAT. SPECIAL COUNSEL REGULATIONS, AS SPECIAL COUNSEL REGULATIONS, AS I UNDERSTAND THEM, DON’T REQUIRE I UNDERSTAND THEM, DON’T REQUIRE THAT A REPORT FROM ROBERT THAT A REPORT FROM ROBERT MUELLER GO TO CONGRESS. MUELLER GO TO CONGRESS. SO WHAT ARE YOU EXPLORING TO GET SO WHAT ARE YOU EXPLORING TO GET THAT INFORMATION FOR THE THAT INFORMATION FOR THE PURPOSES OF YOUR INVESTIGATIONS PURPOSES OF YOUR INVESTIGATIONS AND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC? AND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC?>>YEAH, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE>>YEAH, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL SEE THE MUELLER REPORT. WILL SEE THE MUELLER REPORT. I SAY THAT WITH CONFIDENCE, I SAY THAT WITH CONFIDENCE, NICOLLE, BECAUSE FOR TWO YEARS NICOLLE, BECAUSE FOR TWO YEARS WE WERE POWERLESS UNDER THIS WE WERE POWERLESS UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION AS THE ADMINISTRATION AS THE REPUBLICANS PROTECTED THE REPUBLICANS PROTECTED THE PRESIDENT FROM INVESTIGATIONS PRESIDENT FROM INVESTIGATIONS AND TRANSPARENCY. AND TRANSPARENCY. WE WERE GIVEN POWER TO PUT A WE WERE GIVEN POWER TO PUT A BALANCE OF POWER ON ABUSES OF BALANCE OF POWER ON ABUSES OF POWER BY THE VOTERS LAST

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SPEARCY THEORIES ON AND OFF. ONE MAN, PRESIDENT AND OFF. ONE MAN, PRESIDENT TRUMP. ONE MAN, PRESIDENT TRUMP. KELLY O’DONNELL IS TRUMP. KELLY O’DONNELL IS TRAVELING WITH THE KELLY O’DONNELL IS TRAVELING WITH THE PRESIDENT AND HAS THIS TRAVELING WITH THE PRESIDENT AND HAS THIS REPORT. PRESIDENT AND HAS THIS REPORT.>>Reporter: WIELDING REPORT.>>Reporter: WIELDING THE WORLD’S MOST>>Reporter: WIELDING THE WORLD’S MOST POWERFUL MEGA PHONE, THE WORLD’S MOST POWERFUL MEGA PHONE, PRESIDENT TRUMP POWERFUL MEGA PHONE, PRESIDENT TRUMP RETWEETED A BASELESS PRESIDENT TRUMP RETWEETED A BASELESS CONSPIRACY THEORY TO RETWEETED A BASELESS CONSPIRACY THEORY TO NEARLY 63 MILLION CONSPIRACY THEORY TO NEARLY 63 MILLION TWITTER FOLLOWERS, A NEARLY 63 MILLION TWITTER FOLLOWERS, A SPURIOUS ACCUSATION TWITTER FOLLOWERS, A SPURIOUS ACCUSATION THAT THE CLINTONS ARE SPURIOUS ACCUSATION THAT THE CLINTONS ARE SOMEHOW LINKED TO THAT THE CLINTONS ARE SOMEHOW LINKED TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S SOMEHOW LINKED TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S DEATH. JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S DEATH. TODAY, DEMOCRATIC DEATH. TODAY, DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES SAID TODAY, DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES SAID ENOUGH. CANDIDATES SAID ENOUGH.>>THIS IS ANOTHER ENOUGH.>>THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF OUR>>THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF OUR PRESIDENT USING THIS EXAMPLE OF OUR PRESIDENT USING THIS POSITION OF PUBLIC PRESIDENT USING THIS POSITION OF PUBLIC TRUST TO ATTACK HIS POSITION OF PUBLIC TRUST TO ATTACK HIS POLITICAL ENEMIES WITH TRUST TO ATTACK HIS POLITICAL ENEMIES WITH UNFOUNDED CONSPIRACY POLITICAL ENEMIES WITH UNFOUNDED CONSPIRACY THEORIES. UNFOUNDED CONSPIRACY THEORIES.>>WHAT HE’S DOING IS THEORIES.>>WHAT HE’S DOING IS DANGEROUS.>>WHAT HE’S DOING IS DANGEROUS.>>Reporter: PRESIDENT DANGEROUS.>>Reporter: PRESIDENT TRUMP ONCE SOCIALIZED>>Reporter: PRESIDENT TRUMP ONCE SOCIALIZED WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN TRUMP ONCE SOCIALIZED WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN BUT SAID LAST MONTH WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN BUT SAID LAST MONTH THEIR FRIENDSHIP ENDED BUT SAID LAST MONTH THEIR FRIENDSHIP ENDED YEARS AGO. THEIR FRIENDSHIP ENDED YEARS AGO.>>WELL, I DIDN’T GET YEARS AGO.>>WELL, I DIDN’T GET ALONG WITH HIM.>>WELL, I DIDN’T GET ALONG WITH HIM.>>Reporter: PRESIDENT ALONG WITH HIM.>>Reporter: PRESIDENT CLINTON HAD KNOWN>>Reporter: PRESIDENT CLINTON HAD KNOWN EPSTEIN, TOO, BUT A CLINTON HAD KNOWN EPSTEIN, TOO, BUT A SPOKESMAN SAID THEY EPSTEIN, TOO, BUT A SPOKESMAN SAID THEY HAD NOT SPOKEN IN MORE SPOKESMAN SAID THEY HAD NOT SPOKEN IN MORE THAN A DECADE. HAD NOT SPOKEN IN MORE THAN A DECADE. THE TRUMP CONSPIRACY THAN A DECADE. THE TRUMP CONSPIRACY RETWEET PROVOKED THIS THE TRUMP CONSPIRACY RETWEET PROVOKED THIS RESPONSE FROM A RETWEET PROVOKED THIS RESPONSE FROM A CLINTON AIDE. RESPONSE FROM A CLINTON AIDE. “RIDICULOUS AND OF CLINTON AIDE. “RIDICULOUS AND OF COURSE NOT TRUE, AND “RIDICULOUS AND OF COURSE NOT TRUE, AND DONALD TRUMP KNOWS COURSE NOT TRUE, AND DONALD TRUMP KNOWS IT.” DONALD TRUMP KNOWS IT.” TRUMP ADVISER IT.” TRUMP ADVISER KELLYANNE CONWAY TRUMP ADVISER KELLYANNE CONWAY TODAY. KELLYANNE CONWAY TODAY.>>WHY DID THE TODAY.>>WHY DID THE PRESIDENT RETWEET THAT>>WHY DID THE PRESIDENT RETWEET THAT CLINTON SUGGESTION? PRESIDENT RETWEET THAT CLINTON SUGGESTION?>>I THINK THE CLINTON SUGGESTION?>>I THINK THE PRESIDENT JUST WANTS>>I THINK THE PRESIDENT JUST WANTS EVERYTHING TO BE PRESIDENT JUST WANTS EVERYTHING TO BE INVESTIGATED. EVERYTHING TO BE INVESTIGATED.>>Reporter: DONALD INVESTIGATED.>>Reporter: DONALD TRUMP HAS A PATTERN OF>>Reporter: DONALD TRUMP HAS A PATTERN OF PROMOTING FALSE TRUMP HAS A PATTERN OF PROMOTING FALSE CLAIMS. PROMOTING FALSE CLAIMS. BIRTHERISM ABOUT CLAIMS. BIRTHERISM ABOUT BARACK OBAMA, LINKING BIRTHERISM ABOUT BARACK OBAMA, LINKING TED CRUZ’S FATHER TO BARACK OBAMA, LINKING TED CRUZ’S FATHER TO THE JFK ASSASSINATION, TED CRUZ’S FATHER TO THE JFK ASSASSINATION, NOTABLY EPSTEIN DEATH THE JFK ASSASSINATION, NOTABLY EPSTEIN DEATH CONSPIRACIES ARE NOTABLY EPSTEIN DEATH CONSPIRACIES ARE COVERED BY SOME CONSPIRACIES ARE COVERED BY SOME RUSSIAN-OWNED MEDIA, COVERED BY SOME RUSSIAN-OWNED MEDIA, AND ALL OVER THE WEB. RUSSIAN-OWNED MEDIA, AND ALL OVER THE WEB.>>JUST BECAUSE THE AND ALL OVER THE WEB.>>JUST BECAUSE THE ACCOUNTS INITIALLY>>JUST BECAUSE THE ACCOUNTS INITIALLY PUSHED THIS ARE ACCOUNTS INITIALLY PUSHED THIS ARE ECONOMIC DOMESTIC PUSHED THIS ARE ECONOMIC DOMESTIC ACCOUNTS DOESN’T ECONOMIC DOMESTIC ACCOUNTS DOESN’T NECESSARILY MEAN ACCOUNTS DOESN’T NECESSARILY MEAN RUSSIA OR OTHER NECESSARILY MEAN RUSSIA OR OTHER FOREIGN ACTORS AREN’T RUSSIA OR OTHER FOREIGN ACTORS AREN’T INVOLVED. FOREIGN ACTORS AREN’T INVOLVED.>>KELLY, WHAT IS THE INVOLVED.>>KELLY, WHAT IS THE WHITE HOUSE SAYING>>KELLY, WHAT IS THE WHITE HOUSE SAYING ABOUT THIS TONIGHT? WHITE HOUSE SAYING ABOUT THIS TONIGHT?>>Reporter: WELL, ABOUT THIS TONIGHT?>>Reporter: WELL, CURIOUSLY, LITTLE,>>Reporter: WELL, CURIOUSLY, LITTLE, JOSE, BEYOND CONWAY’S CURIOUSLY, LITTLE, JOSE, BEYOND CONWAY’S COMMENT. JOSE, BEYOND CONWAY’S COMMENT. WE TRIED REPEATEDLY TO COMMENT. WE TRIED REPEATEDLY TO GET THE WHITE HOUSE TO WE TRIED REPEATEDLY TO GET THE WHITE HOUSE TO TELL US WHAT WAS THE GET THE WHITE HOUSE TO TELL US WHAT WAS THE PRESIDENT’S INTENTION TELL US WHAT WAS THE PRESIDENT’S INTENTION HERE, AND WE’VE PRESIDENT’S INTENTION HERE, AND WE’VE RECEIVED NO RESPONSE HERE, AND WE’VE RECEIVED NO RESPONSE AND UNLIKE SOME OTHER RECEIVED NO RESPONSE AND UNLIKE SOME OTHER SUNDAY NIGHTS WHEN THE AND UNLIKE SOME OTHER SUNDAY NIGHTS WHEN THE PRESIDENT’S OUT OF SUNDAY NIGHTS WHEN THE PRESIDENT’S OUT OF TOWN, HE IS NOT GOING PRESIDENT’S OUT OF TOWN, HE IS NOT GOING BACK TO THE WHITE TOWN, HE IS NOT GOING BACK TO THE WHITE HOUSE. BACK TO THE WHITE HOUSE. THE TRUMP FAMILY IS HOUSE. THE TRUMP FAMILY IS REMAINING IN NEW THE TRUMP FAMILY IS REMAINING IN NEW JERSEY FOR THE NEXT REMAINING IN NEW JERSEY FOR THE NEXT WEEK FOR THEIR SUMMER JERSEY FOR THE NEXT WEEK FOR THEIR SUMMER BREAK AND THE

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NEXT ON “MORNING JOE.”>>>I AM SERIOUSLY THINKING OF>>>I AM SERIOUSLY THINKING OF RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>THAT’S RIGHT. HOWARD SCHULTZ COULD BE RUNNING HOWARD SCHULTZ COULD BE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT FOR 2020 OR AS FOR PRESIDENT FOR 2020 OR AS THEY CALL IT STARBUCKS THEY CALL IT STARBUCKS VENTI-VENTI. VENTI-VENTI.>>SWROINJOINING US NOW HOWARD>>SWROINJOINING US NOW HOWARD SCHULTZ, A JOURNEY TO REIMAGINE SCHULTZ, A JOURNEY TO REIMAGINE THE PROMISE OF AMERICA. THE PROMISE OF AMERICA. MSNBC MIKE BARNICLE IS JOINING MSNBC MIKE BARNICLE IS JOINING US WITH THE CONVERSATION AS US WITH THE CONVERSATION AS WELL. WELL. HOWARD, I AM STILL ADDICTED TO HOWARD, I AM STILL ADDICTED TO MY COFFEE. MY COFFEE.>>I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE>>I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE DECALF THIS MORNING. DECALF THIS MORNING.>>OH, I ALWAYS HAVE THE TWO>>OH, I ALWAYS HAVE THE TWO SHOTS AND I CAN’T HELP MYSELF. SHOTS AND I CAN’T HELP MYSELF.>>SO, TALK ABOUT THE FIRST>>SO, TALK ABOUT THE FIRST COUPLE OF DAYS GETTING OUT THERE COUPLE OF DAYS GETTING OUT THERE AND GETTING THE MESSAGE. AND GETTING THE MESSAGE.>>I MUST BE DOING SOMETHING>>I MUST BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT TO CREATE SO MUCH RIGHT TO CREATE SO MUCH INTERESTS AND BACKLASH FROM THE INTERESTS AND BACKLASH FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. DEMOCRATIC PARTY. SOME OF IT IS A SURPRISE. SOME OF IT IS A SURPRISE. WE EXPECTED TO SEE SOME OF THE WE EXPECTED TO SEE SOME OF THE LEVEL — BUT NOT TO THE EXTENT. LEVEL — BUT NOT TO THE EXTENT. ON “60-MINUTES,” I SERIOUSLY ON “60-MINUTES,” I SERIOUSLY SAID I AM SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING SAID I AM SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING TO RUN AS PRESIDENT AS AN IN TO RUN AS PRESIDENT AS AN IN NANT NANT INDEPENDENT. INDEPENDENT. ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT THE ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT BOTH PARTIES CURRENT GOVERNMENT BOTH PARTIES HAVE BEEN UNWILLING AND UNABLE HAVE BEEN UNWILLING AND UNABLE TO SOLVE, WHETHER A DEMOCRAT TO SOLVE, WHETHER A DEMOCRAT WINS A PRESIDENCY OR DONALD WINS A PRESIDENCY OR DONALD TRUMP GETS RE-ELECTED, I HOPE TRUMP GETS RE-ELECTED, I HOPE NOT. NOT. NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE. NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.>>LET ME ASK YOU THIS.>>LET ME ASK YOU THIS.>>HOW DID YOU GET TO THE POINT>>HOW DID YOU GET TO THE POINT OF THINKING HEY, MAYBE THIS IS OF THINKING HEY, MAYBE THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN. GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY MIKE YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY MIKE BLOOMBERG HAS BEEN THINKING BLOOMBERG HAS BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND HAS TONS OF MONEY. HAS TONS OF MONEY. HE ALWAYS CONCLUDED EVERY TIME HE ALWAYS CONCLUDED EVERY TIME YOU LOOK AT IT THAT YOU COULD YOU LOOK AT IT THAT YOU COULD NOT GET TO 270 AND WHATEVER NOT GET TO 270 AND WHATEVER POLITICAL PARTY IN THE HOUSE OF POLITICAL PARTY IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WOULD SELECT REPRESENTATIVES WOULD SELECT THEIR CANDIDATE AS A PRESIDENT. THEIR CANDIDATE AS A PRESIDENT.>>I RESPECT MIKE BLOOMBERG,>>I RESPECT MIKE BLOOMBERG, HE’S NOT THE PROXY FOR WHAT’S HE’S NOT THE PROXY FOR WHAT’S DPOING TO DPOING TO GOING TO HAPPEN FOR 2020. GOING TO HAPPEN FOR 2020. WHAT DID I SEE? WHAT DID I SEE? WHAT I SEE FOR THE LAST THREE OR WHAT I SEE FOR THE LAST THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE PRESIDENTIAL FOUR OR FIVE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS, ONLY 8 TO 10 ELECTIONS, ONLY 8 TO 10 BATTLEGROUND STATES ARE PRETTY BATTLEGROUND STATES ARE PRETTY MUCH CONTROLLED OR PREDICTED. MUCH CONTROLLED OR PREDICTED. WHO’S GOING TO BE PRESIDENT? WHO’S GOING TO BE PRESIDENT?>>WHAT IF THE POSSIBILITY OF AN>>WHAT IF THE POSSIBILITY OF AN INDEPENDENT PERSON CAN CAPTURE INDEPENDENT PERSON CAN CAPTURE THE IMAGINATION OF THE 42% THE IMAGINATION OF THE 42% PEOPLE WHO AFFILIATE THEMSELVES PEOPLE WHO AFFILIATE THEMSELVES AS AN INDEPENDENT WHICH IS MORE AS AN INDEPENDENT WHICH IS MORE THAN EITHER PARTY AND WHAT IF THAN EITHER PARTY AND WHAT IF REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS LIFELONG ARE LOOKING FOR HOME, LIFELONG ARE LOOKING FOR HOME, THEY’RE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THEY’RE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR LEFT WING ELIZABETH WARREN OR LEFT WING ELIZABETH WARREN OR KAMALA HARRIS AND THEY DON’T KAMALA HARRIS AND THEY DON’T WANT TO REELECT DONALD TRUMP. WANT TO REELECT DONALD TRUMP. WHAT IF FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 40 WHAT IF FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 40 YEARS, THE 50 STATES WHICH I AM YEARS, THE 50 STATES WHICH I AM ON EVERY BALLOT REALLY MATTERS ON EVERY BALLOT REALLY MATTERS INSTEAD OF 8 TO 10 BATTLEGROUND INSTEAD OF 8 TO 10 BATTLEGROUND STATE CONTROLLING WHO’S GOING TO STATE CONTROLLING WHO’S GOING TO BE PRESIDENT. BE PRESIDENT.>>SAY WE GET RID OF THE>>SAY WE GET RID OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. ELECTORAL COLLEGE.>>LET ME FINISH.>>LET ME FINISH. IF WE PRECEDE, WE’LL BE ON THE IF WE PRECEDE, WE’LL BE ON THE BALLOT OF EVERY STATE AND WE BALLOT OF EVERY STATE AND WE HAVE DONE THAT WORK AND WE CAN HAVE DONE THAT WORK AND WE CAN GET TO 270 BECAUSE ALL 50 STATES GET TO 270 BECAUSE ALL 50 STATES WILL MATTER AND NOT 8 TO 10. WILL MATTER AND NOT 8 TO 10.>>I HAVE DONE THE WORK AND>>I HAVE DONE THE WORK AND SPENT THE LAST YEAR TO LOOK AT SPENT THE LAST YEAR TO LOOK AT THIS CLEARLY. THIS CLEARLY. BLOOMBERG IS NOT MY PROXY. BLOOMBERG IS NOT MY PROXY. A DEMOCRAT IS NOT GOING TO BE A DEMOCRAT IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO — ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ABLE TO — ALL OF A SUDDEN THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO START GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO START WORKING, NOTHING’S WORKING. WORKING, NOTHING’S WORKING. I BELIEVE JUST IMAGINE THE I BELIEVE JUST IMAGINE THE MANDATE THAT IF AN INDEPENDENT MANDATE THAT IF AN INDEPENDENT PERSON CAN GET ELECTED, IF I WAS PERSON CAN GET ELECTED, IF I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO WIN THE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY, THE POWER THAT PRESIDENCY, THE POWER THAT PEOPLE IS SPEAKING THAT WE CAN PEOPLE IS SPEAKING THAT WE CAN TRANSFORM THE GOVERNMENT FINALLY TRANSFORM THE GOVERNMENT FINALLY AND GET PEOPLE. AND GET PEOPLE.>>MIKE BLOOMBERG IS NOT OUR>>MIKE BLOOMBERG IS NOT OUR PROXY. PROXY. WILLIE AND I KEEP ON ASKING HIM WILLIE AND I KEEP ON ASKING HIM TO HAVE SOME OF HIS MONEY. TO HAVE SOME OF HIS MONEY.>>HOWARD, THERE ARE TWO STRAINS>>HOWARD, THERE ARE TWO STRAINS OF THE CRITICISM. OF THE CRITICISM. YOU HAVE NOT GOTTEN INTO THE YOU HAVE NOT GOTTEN INTO THE RACE YET. RACE YET. THE ONE STRAIN IS WHAT WE HEARD THE ONE STRAIN IS WHAT WE HEARD FROM BLOOMBERG WHO SAYS, HOWARD, FROM BLOOMBERG WHO SAYS, HOWARD, I RESPECT YOU BUT YOU CAN’T WIN. I RESPECT YOU BUT YOU CAN’T WIN. THE OTHER STRAIN, HE’S THE THE OTHER STRAIN, HE’S THE MASTER MIND BEHIND THIS. MASTER MIND BEHIND THIS. QUOTE, “HE CAN’T WIN AND DAMAGE QUOTE, “HE CAN’T WIN AND DAMAGE OUR ABILITY TO BEAT DONALD OUR ABILITY TO BEAT DONALD TRUMP, HE SHOULD EITHER RUN AS A TRUMP, HE SHOULD EITHER RUN AS A DEMOCRATIC OR SPEND HIS MONEY DEMOCRATIC OR SPEND HIS MONEY THAT’LL NOT RUIN THE WORLD.” THAT’LL NOT RUIN THE WORLD.” WHY NOT RUN AS A DEMOCRAT? WHY NOT RUN AS A DEMOCRAT? WE KNOW YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT. WE KNOW YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT. YOU SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON. YOU SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON.>>YOU ARE NO LONGER A DEMOCRAT?>>YOU ARE NO LONGER A DEMOCRAT?>>NO, I DON’T AFFILIATE MYSELF>>NO, I DON’T AFFILIATE MYSELF AS A DEMOCRAT PARTY WHO IS SO AS A DEMOCRAT PARTY WHO IS SO FAR LEFT AND WANTS THE FAR LEFT AND WANTS THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE OVER AND FREE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE OVER AND FREE CLENCH TO EVERYBODY AND THE CLENCH TO EVERYBODY AND THE GOVERNMENT TO GIVE EVERYONE A GOVERNMENT TO GIVE EVERYONE A JOB. JOB. IT IS BASICALLY $40 TRILLION ON IT IS BASICALLY $40 TRILLION ON THE BALANCE SHEET OF THE BALANCE SHEET OF $21.5 TRILLION. $21.5 TRILLION. WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT WE NEED IS COMPREHENSIVE WHAT WE NEED IS COMPREHENSIVE TAX REFORM. TAX REFORM. WHAT WE NEED IS SENSIBLE WHAT WE NEED IS SENSIBLE SOLUTIONS TO IMMIGRATION. SOLUTIONS TO IMMIGRATION. ALL OF THESE THINGS CAN’T HAPPEN ALL OF THESE THINGS CAN’T HAPPEN UNDER THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT. UNDER THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT. NOW, I HAVE ALSO BEEN CRITICIZED NOW, I HAVE ALSO BEEN CRITICIZED FOR BEING A BILLIONAIRE. FOR BEING A BILLIONAIRE. I AM SELF-MADE, I GREW UP IN THE I AM SELF-MADE, I GREW UP IN THE PROJECT OF BROOKLYN, NEW YORK. PROJECT OF BROOKLYN, NEW YORK. I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE AMERICAN’S DREAM, THE ASPIRATION AMERICAN’S DREAM, THE ASPIRATION OF AMERICA. OF AMERICA. YOU ARE GOING CRITICIZE ME? YOU ARE GOING CRITICIZE ME? ELIZABETH WARREN WANTS TO ELIZABETH WARREN WANTS TO CRITICIZE ME FOR BEING CRITICIZE ME FOR BEING SUCCESSFUL? SUCCESSFUL?>>>>>>>>NO.>>NO.>>LET ME FOLLOW UP ON THAT.>>LET ME FOLLOW UP ON THAT. THE CRITICISM IS NOT THAT YOU THE CRITICISM IS NOT THAT YOU WANT TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. WANT TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. THE CRITICISM IS THAT IF YOU DO THE CRITICISM IS THAT IF YOU DO RUN IN THIS MIDDLE LANE WHERE RUN IN THIS MIDDLE LANE WHERE VOTES ARE SO PRECIOUS AS WE SAW VOTES ARE SO PRECIOUS AS WE SAW LAST TIME, YOU CAN STEAL JUST LAST TIME, YOU CAN STEAL JUST ENOUGH TO CAUSE DEMOCRATIC THE ENOUGH TO CAUSE DEMOCRATIC THE ELECTION. ELECTION.>>IT IS NOT TRUE.>>IT IS NOT TRUE.>>WHY NOT MAKE THE ARGUMENT YOU>>WHY NOT MAKE THE ARGUMENT YOU MADE WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC MADE WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY. PRIMARY.>>I DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT THE>>I DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY STAND FOR AND DEMOCRATIC PARTY STAND FOR AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. NOT THE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON OR NOT THE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON OR THE PEOPLE IN NEW YORK, THE THE PEOPLE IN NEW YORK, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT A CHANGE. AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT A CHANGE. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE REALIZE THE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE REALIZE THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT WORKING. GOVERNMENT IS NOT WORKING. IT IS NOT A STATISTIC THAT 40% IT IS NOT A STATISTIC THAT 40% OF AMERICAN PEOPLE DON’T HAVE OF AMERICAN PEOPLE DON’T HAVE $400 IN THE BANK OR FIVE MILLION $400 IN THE BANK OR FIVE MILLION KIDS IN AMERICA ARE NOT IN KIDS IN AMERICA ARE NOT IN SCHOOL. SCHOOL. THOSE ARE NOT STATISTICS. THOSE ARE NOT STATISTICS. THOSE ARE PEOPLE. THOSE ARE PEOPLE.>>NOT ALL DEMOCRATS WANT>>NOT ALL DEMOCRATS WANT MEDICARE. MEDICARE. YOU ARE CITING KAMALA HARRIS. YOU ARE CITING KAMALA HARRIS. WHY COULD YOU NOT GET THE WHY COULD YOU NOT GET THE DEMOCRATIC RACE AND MAKE THE DEMOCRATIC RACE AND MAKE THE CASE AS A CENTER DEMOCRAT. CASE AS A CENTER DEMOCRAT.>>I THINK THE COUNTRY NEEDS>>I THINK THE COUNTRY NEEDS TRANSFORMATION. TRANSFORMATION. THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE DISRUPTED. DISRUPTED. IT IS NOT WORKING. IT IS NOT WORKING. HOW MUCH EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE? HOW MUCH EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE? GIVE ME ONE THING AND SHOW ME GIVE ME ONE THING AND SHOW ME ONE THING WHICH YOU CAN SAY ONE THING WHICH YOU CAN SAY FIRMLY. FIRMLY. THE GOVERNMENT IS REALLY THE GOVERNMENT IS REALLY WORKING. WORKING. THE SHUTDOWN OF THE GOVERNMENT THE SHUTDOWN OF THE GOVERNMENT FOR MONTHS, 800,000 PEOPLE NOT FOR MONTHS, 800,000 PEOPLE NOT WORKING. WORKING. WHAT’S WORKING? WHAT’S WORKING? I SPENT THE LAST FIVE YEARS I SPENT THE LAST FIVE YEARS SPENDING TIME WITH VETERANS AND SPENDING TIME WITH VETERANS AND HIRING VETERANS AND HIRING VETERANS AND UNDERSTANDING THEIR ISSUES AND UNDERSTANDING THEIR ISSUES AND GIVING MONEY VETERANS. GIVING MONEY VETERANS. I WENT TO THE VA, DO YOU KNOW I WENT TO THE VA, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET IS FOR THE VA? WHAT THE BUDGET IS FOR THE VA? TAKE A GUESS? TAKE A GUESS?>>I DON’T HAVE A NUMBER.>>I DON’T HAVE A NUMBER.>>$40 BILLION.>>$40 BILLION.>>$200 BILLION, THE VA.>>$200 BILLION, THE VA. IT IS A TRAGIC. IT IS A TRAGIC. THERE IS NOTHING WORKING IN THE THERE IS NOTHING WORKING IN THE GOVERNMENT. GOVERNMENT. WHY SHOULD WE VOTE IN A WHY SHOULD WE VOTE IN A DEMOCRATIC AND/OR REPUBLICAN TO DEMOCRATIC AND/OR REPUBLICAN TO DISCONTINUE THE BROKEN SYSTEM. DISCONTINUE THE BROKEN SYSTEM.>>YOU DON’T THINK YOU CAN>>YOU DON’T THINK YOU CAN DISRUPT IT THE WAY DONALD TRUMP DISRUPT IT THE WAY DONALD TRUMP DISRUPTS IT? DISRUPTS IT? HE FOUND THAT AS A VESSEL TO GET HE FOUND THAT AS A VESSEL TO GET IN THE WHITE HOUSE. IN THE WHITE HOUSE.>>I AM NOT SAYING YOU WANT TO>>I AM NOT SAYING YOU WANT TO BEHAVE AS HE DOES AS PRESIDENT BEHAVE AS HE DOES AS PRESIDENT BUT IT WAS A WAY IN THE WHITE BUT IT WAS A WAY IN THE WHITE HOUSE. HOUSE.>>WHAT I AM GOING TO TRY TO DO>>WHAT I AM GOING TO TRY TO DO IS GO OUT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IS GO OUT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND IGNITE A POWERFUL MOVEMENT. AND IGNITE A POWERFUL MOVEMENT. I BELIEVE NOT JUST PEOPLE IN NEW I BELIEVE NOT JUST PEOPLE IN NEW YORK OR D.C., I AM HEARING FROM YORK OR D.C., I AM HEARING FROM THOUSANDS SAYING FINALLY, THOUSANDS SAYING FINALLY, SOMEONE SOMEONE SOMEONE’S VOICE THAT I CAN SOMEONE’S VOICE THAT I CAN RELATE TO. RELATE TO.>>THAT’S WHAT THEY SAID DONALD>>THAT’S WHAT THEY SAID DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP.>>I AM NOT DONALD TRUMP.>>I AM NOT DONALD TRUMP. I RUN THE COMPANY FOR 26 YEARS. I RUN THE COMPANY FOR 26 YEARS.>>YOU JUST SAID HOWARD.>>YOU JUST SAID HOWARD. I DON’T BELIEVE WHAT THE I DON’T BELIEVE WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY STANDS FOR. DEMOCRATIC PARTY STANDS FOR. GIVE ME FIVE ISSUES THAT THE GIVE ME FIVE ISSUES THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY STAND FOR THAT DEMOCRATIC PARTY STAND FOR THAT YOU DON’T AGREE WITH? YOU DON’T AGREE WITH?>>I JUST GAIFRVE YOU THREE?>>I JUST GAIFRVE YOU THREE?>>GOVERNMENT TAKING OVER>>GOVERNMENT TAKING OVER HEALTHCARE, FREE COLLEGE FOR HEALTHCARE, FREE COLLEGE FOR EVERYONE AND THE DEMOCRATS AND EVERYONE AND THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS UNDER THE LAST 20 REPUBLICANS UNDER THE LAST 20 YEARS ON BOTH PARTIES HAVE BEEN YEARS ON BOTH PARTIES HAVE BEEN COMPLICIT IN CREATING A COMPLICIT IN CREATING A $21.5 TRILLION DEBT. $21.5 TRILLION DEBT. THAT’S A RECKLESS AND IMMORAL THAT’S A RECKLESS AND IMMORAL ABANDONMENT OF LEADERSHIP. ABANDONMENT OF LEADERSHIP. THE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATS ARE THE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATS ARE NOT TRUSTED BY THE AMERICAN NOT TRUSTED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. PEOPLE. THE PROBLEM IN AMERICA IS THAT THE PROBLEM IN AMERICA IS THAT WE HAVE NO LEADERSHIP THAT’S WE HAVE NO LEADERSHIP THAT’S TRUSTED, THE DIGNITY AND RESPECT TRUSTED, THE DIGNITY AND RESPECT OF THE OVAL OFFICE IS GONE AND OF THE OVAL OFFICE IS GONE AND REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS NO REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS NO LONGER REPRESENT THE ESSENCE OF LONGER REPRESENT THE ESSENCE OF THE PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE. I AM THINKING OF RUNNING FOR I AM THINKING OF RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AS A CENTER PRESIDENT AS A CENTER INDEPENDENT. INDEPENDENT. IF YOU AGREE WITH ME, I AM IF YOU AGREE WITH ME, I AM DPOING TO PROVIDE YOU AN DPOING TO PROVIDE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY. OPPORTUNITY. IF IF I STRONGLY BELIEVE THERE IS AN I STRONGLY BELIEVE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY AND A LARGE PEOPLE, OPPORTUNITY AND A LARGE PEOPLE, THE SILENT MAJORITY WHO WANTS A THE SILENT MAJORITY WHO WANTS A VOICE OF SOMEBODY WHO’S GOING TO VOICE OF SOMEBODY WHO’S GOING TO REPRESENT THEM. REPRESENT THEM.>>YOU DO REALIZE THAT MANY>>YOU DO REALIZE THAT MANY PEOPLE REGISTERED AS AN PEOPLE REGISTERED AS AN INDEPENDENT AND YET THEY STILL INDEPENDENT AND YET THEY STILL TILT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. TILT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.>>THEY NEVER HAD A LEGITIMATE>>THEY NEVER HAD A LEGITIMATE CHOICE. CHOICE.>>THEY HAVE NOT?>>THEY HAVE NOT?>>ROSS PEROTE.>>ROSS PEROTE.>>DON’T FORGET ABOUT MY STORY.>>DON’T FORGET ABOUT MY STORY. I AM A SELF-MADE PERSON. I AM A SELF-MADE PERSON. I LIKE BLOOMBERG, I HOPE HE RUNS I LIKE BLOOMBERG, I HOPE HE RUNS FOR PRESIDENT. FOR PRESIDENT. I THINK IT WILL BE GREAT FOR I THINK IT WILL BE GREAT FOR AMERICA. AMERICA. I CAME FROM THE PROJECT, THE I CAME FROM THE PROJECT, THE EMPATHY AND COMPASSION THAT I EMPATHY AND COMPASSION THAT I HAVE FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING LEFT BEHIND ISRAEL. ARE BEING LEFT BEHIND ISRAEL.>>WHEN PEOPLE SAY TO ME, YOU>>WHEN PEOPLE SAY TO ME, YOU ARE A BILLIONAIRE? ARE A BILLIONAIRE? YEAH. YEAH. BUT I AM PART OF WHAT I THOUGHT BUT I AM PART OF WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE PROSPECT OF THE PROMISE WAS THE PROSPECT OF THE PROMISE OF AMERICA, WORK HARD AND GREAT OF AMERICA, WORK HARD AND GREAT OPPORTUNITY, YOUR STATION LIFE OPPORTUNITY, YOUR STATION LIFE DOES NOT DEFINE YOU? DOES NOT DEFINE YOU? THAT’S ME. THAT’S ME.>>LET’S MOVE FROM THE DECISION>>LET’S MOVE FROM THE DECISION TO RUNNING AS AN INDEPENDENT AND TO RUNNING AS AN INDEPENDENT AND CONCERNS SOMEONE HAVE AS YOUR CONCERNS SOMEONE HAVE AS YOUR CANDIDACY AND MESSAGING. CANDIDACY AND MESSAGING. LET’S SAY YOU DECIDE TO RUN FOR LET’S SAY YOU DECIDE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. THREE QUESTIONS, WHAT QUALIFIES THREE QUESTIONS, WHAT QUALIFIES YOU TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE YOU TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? UNITED STATES?>>WHAT QUALIFIES ME IS MY LIFE>>WHAT QUALIFIES ME IS MY LIFE EXPERIENCE. EXPERIENCE. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THINK IT IS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THINK IT IS MY STARBUCKS EXPERIENCE. MY STARBUCKS EXPERIENCE. IT IS WHAT I HAVE LEARNED ALONG IT IS WHAT I HAVE LEARNED ALONG THE WAY AND SHARING YOU CAN THE WAY AND SHARING YOU CAN ACCESS AND RECOGNIZING EVERY ACCESS AND RECOGNIZING EVERY BUSINESS DECISION IS NOT AN BUSINESS DECISION IS NOT AN ECONOMIC ONE. ECONOMIC ONE. IT IS A REAL UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS A REAL UNDERSTANDING THAT SOMEBODY THAT IS TO RESTORE THE SOMEBODY THAT IS TO RESTORE THE PROMISE OF AMERICA AND WHAT PROMISE OF AMERICA AND WHAT QUALIFIES ME IS THAT I WILL BE A QUALIFIES ME IS THAT I WILL BE A LEADER OF THE COUNTRY OF ALL LEADER OF THE COUNTRY OF ALL AMERICAN PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE WILL AMERICAN PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE WILL TRUST AND ADMIRE BECAUSE I WILL TRUST AND ADMIRE BECAUSE I WILL UNDERSTAND. UNDERSTAND. I HAVE WALKED IN THEIR SHOES. I HAVE WALKED IN THEIR SHOES. I AM ON BOTH SIDES OF THE I AM ON BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION. EQUATION. I AM SOMEBODY WHO WAS SUCCESSFUL I AM SOMEBODY WHO WAS SUCCESSFUL OR SOMEBODY THAT CAME FROM THE OR SOMEBODY THAT CAME FROM THE PROJECTS AND I UNDERSTAND THE PROJECTS AND I UNDERSTAND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. AMERICAN PEOPLE.>>WHO IS THE BEST REPUBLICAN>>WHO IS THE BEST REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT IN THE PAST 50 YEAR PRESIDENT IN THE PAST 50 YEAR SNSS? SNSS?>>A GREAT RESPECT FOR RONALD>>A GREAT RESPECT FOR RONALD REAGAN AND ALL THE WONDERFUL REAGAN AND ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS HE DID THAT REALLY STRUCK THINGS HE DID THAT REALLY STRUCK ME COMPARES TO THE CURRENT ME COMPARES TO THE CURRENT PERSON WHO’S DESPICABLE IN THE PERSON WHO’S DESPICABLE IN THE OVAL OFFICE. OVAL OFFICE. RONALD REAGAN NEVER TOOK OFF HIS RONALD REAGAN NEVER TOOK OFF HIS JACKET FOR 80 YEARS, WHY? JACKET FOR 80 YEARS, WHY? THE RESPECT AND DIGNITY OF THE THE RESPECT AND DIGNITY OF THE OFFICE. OFFICE.>>FDR.>>FDR.>>HOW MUCH DOES AN 18 OUNCE BOX>>HOW MUCH DOES AN 18 OUNCE BOX OF CHEERIOS COSTS? OF CHEERIOS COSTS?>>I DON’T KNOW.>>I DON’T KNOW.>>BUDGET FOR THE VA, WE CAN ASK>>BUDGET FOR THE VA, WE CAN ASK YOU QUESTIONS FOR THAT. YOU QUESTIONS FOR THAT.>>I DON’T NEED CHEERIOS.>>I DON’T NEED CHEERIOS.>>IT IS FOUR BUCKS.>>IT IS FOUR BUCKS.>>>>. .>>DID THE FOUR OF YOU THINK>>DID THE FOUR OF YOU THINK THERE SHOULD BE A GOVERNMENT THERE SHOULD BE A GOVERNMENT TAKE OVER OF THE HEALTHCARE TAKE OVER OF THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM? SYSTEM?>>I AM GLAD YOU ARE ASKING>>I AM GLAD YOU ARE ASKING QUESTIONS SO I CAN ASK YOU THE QUESTIONS SO I CAN ASK YOU THE QUESTION BACK. QUESTION BACK. AGAIN, TALKING ELIZABETH MILLER, AGAIN, TALKING ELIZABETH MILLER, EVERYBODY MAKES A MISTAKE. EVERYBODY MAKES A MISTAKE. YOU GO OUT AND YOU TALK ABOUT YOU GO OUT AND YOU TALK ABOUT HOW YOU ARE GOING TO SAVE HOW YOU ARE GOING TO SAVE HEALTHCARE. HEALTHCARE. IF IT FITS ON A BUMPER STICKER, IF IT FITS ON A BUMPER STICKER, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A LONG YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A LONG RIDE. RIDE. BARACK OBAMA SAW IT WITH BARACK OBAMA SAW IT WITH OBAMACARE. OBAMACARE. BY THE END HE WAS HAVING TO MAKE BY THE END HE WAS HAVING TO MAKE DEALS WITH BIG PHARMA AND DEALS WITH BIG PHARMA AND ASSOCIATIONS. ASSOCIATIONS. IT WAS AN UGLY PROCESS. IT WAS AN UGLY PROCESS. WHERE DO WE TAKE OBAMACARE FROM WHERE DO WE TAKE OBAMACARE FROM HERE? HERE? WHAT DO WE TAKE THE AFFORDABLE WHAT DO WE TAKE THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT FROM HERE? CARE ACT FROM HERE? AND HOW DO YOU DO IT? AND HOW DO YOU DO IT? NOT JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE AN NOT JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE AN INDEPENDENT AND YOU WILL INDEPENDENT AND YOU WILL SPRINKLE MAGIC DUST ON SPRINKLE MAGIC DUST ON WASHINGTON, D.C. WASHINGTON, D.C. HOW DO YOU GET REPUBLICANS AND HOW DO YOU GET REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS BUY INTO A HEALTHCARE DEMOCRATS BUY INTO A HEALTHCARE PLAN THAT CAN FIX THE COUNTRY. PLAN THAT CAN FIX THE COUNTRY. WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MONEY, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MONEY, ONE O F THE OUTRAGEOUS THINGS ONE O F THE OUTRAGEOUS THINGS HERE IS WE SPEND MORE MONEY PER HERE IS WE SPEND MORE MONEY PER PATIENT THAN ANY COUNTRY IN THE PATIENT THAN ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND WE STILL HAVE SINGLE WORLD AND WE STILL HAVE SINGLE MOMS WITH THEIR KIDS AT 11:30 AT MOMS WITH THEIR KIDS AT 11:30 AT NIGHT IN AN EMERGENCY ROOM USING NIGHT IN AN EMERGENCY ROOM USING THE E.R. AS THEIR PRIMARY THE E.R. AS THEIR PRIMARY HEALTHCARE PROVIDER. HEALTHCARE PROVIDER. IT IS IMMORAL. IT IS IMMORAL. IT IS A DISGRACE. IT IS A DISGRACE. WE ARE STILL GOING BANKRUPT PUT WE ARE STILL GOING BANKRUPT PUT PUTTING ON HEALTHCARE. PUTTING ON HEALTHCARE.>>DID YOU KNOW MY PERSONAL>>DID YOU KNOW MY PERSONAL HEALTH STORY? HEALTH STORY?>>NO, WE NEVER TALKED ABOUT IT.>>NO, WE NEVER TALKED ABOUT IT.>>MY FATHER FELL ON A SHEET OF>>MY FATHER FELL ON A SHEET OF ICE WITH FIRE. ICE WITH FIRE. I EXPERIENCED AS A 7-YEAR-OLD I EXPERIENCED AS A 7-YEAR-OLD BOY WHAT HAPPENED WHEN NO HEALTH BOY WHAT HAPPENED WHEN NO HEALTH INSURANCE AND WORKER’S INSURANCE AND WORKER’S COMPENSATION, WE HAD JEWISH COMPENSATION, WE HAD JEWISH FAMILY SERVICES DELIVERING FOOD FAMILY SERVICES DELIVERING FOOD TO OUR APARTMENT WHEN WE ARE OUT TO OUR APARTMENT WHEN WE ARE OUT OF LUCK. OF LUCK. I EXPERIENCED THE SHAME AND FEAR I EXPERIENCED THE SHAME AND FEAR OF NO HEALTHCARE. OF NO HEALTHCARE. THAT’S WHY I BUILT THE KIND OF THAT’S WHY I BUILT THE KIND OF COMPANY THAT MY FATHER NEVER GOT COMPANY THAT MY FATHER NEVER GOT A CHANCE FOR IT AND PUT A CHANCE FOR IT AND PUT HEALTHCARE IN THE PLACE OF HEALTHCARE IN THE PLACE OF STARBUCKS. STARBUCKS.>>IS HEALTHCARE A FUNDAMENTAL>>IS HEALTHCARE A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT FOR EVERY AMERICAN? RIGHT FOR EVERY AMERICAN?>>YES.>>YES. EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD HAVE THE EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT FOR AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE. RIGHT FOR AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE.>>I THOUGHT THE AFFORDABLE CARE>>I THOUGHT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. ACT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. BUT BUT>>I AM REMINED AND SPECIFICALLY>>I AM REMINED AND SPECIFICALLY PREMIUMS HAVE GONE UP. PREMIUMS HAVE GONE UP. WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? NO REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ARE NO REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AND SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. TOGETHER AND SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. THAT’S SELF EVIDENT. THAT’S SELF EVIDENT. GOING BACK TO WHAT I SAID GOING BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER, CAN YOU IMAGINE GIVEN EARLIER, CAN YOU IMAGINE GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT IS NEVER DONE THE FACT THAT IT IS NEVER DONE BEFORE THAT AN INDEPENDENT BEFORE THAT AN INDEPENDENT PERSON LIKE MYSELF, A RAG TO PERSON LIKE MYSELF, A RAG TO RICH RICH RICHESS STORY COULD POSSIBLY BE RICHESS STORY COULD POSSIBLY BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. STATES. WE WANT CHANGE. WE WANT CHANGE.>>BUT WHAT KIND OF CHANGE?>>BUT WHAT KIND OF CHANGE? YOU SIT DOWN AND YOU GOT MITCH YOU SIT DOWN AND YOU GOT MITCH McCONNELL HERE AND NANCY PELOSI McCONNELL HERE AND NANCY PELOSI THERE, YOU LOOK AT THEM, HERE IS THERE, YOU LOOK AT THEM, HERE IS THE DEAL. THE DEAL. WE DPOTGOT TO FIX OUR HEALTHCARE WE DPOTGOT TO FIX OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM. SYSTEM. NANCY, WHAT’S YOUR IDEA? NANCY, WHAT’S YOUR IDEA? HOW DO WE DO THIS? HOW DO WE DO THIS?>>WE BRING IN WHAT I HAVE DONE>>WE BRING IN WHAT I HAVE DONE MY ENTIRE CAREER, PEOPLE SMARTER MY ENTIRE CAREER, PEOPLE SMARTER THAN MYSELF WITH SKILLS AND THAN MYSELF WITH SKILLS AND EXPERIENCE BEYOND MITCH EXPERIENCE BEYOND MITCH McCONNELL AND NANCY PELOSI IN McCONNELL AND NANCY PELOSI IN THE ROOM, GET PRIVATE ENTERPRISE THE ROOM, GET PRIVATE ENTERPRISE IN THE ROOM AND REALIZE WE ALL IN THE ROOM AND REALIZE WE ALL NEED TO HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME. NEED TO HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME. CORPORATIONS NEED TO DO MORE FOR CORPORATIONS NEED TO DO MORE FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES LIKE STARBUCKS THEIR EMPLOYEES LIKE STARBUCKS DID. DID. WE DEMONSTRATED THAT YOU CAN BE WE DEMONSTRATED THAT YOU CAN BE PROFITABLE AND PROVIDE PROFITABLE AND PROVIDE HEALTHCARE. HEALTHCARE.>>THE HEALTHCARE STEAL BUSINESS>>THE HEALTHCARE STEAL BUSINESS BASE. BASE.>>NOT ONLY BUT PARTIALLY.>>NOT ONLY BUT PARTIALLY. WE HAVE TO REALIZE WHAT’S WRONG WE HAVE TO REALIZE WHAT’S WRONG OF THE POLITICAL SYSTEM IS OF THE POLITICAL SYSTEM IS PHARMA HAS MANY SPECIAL SBRELSS PHARMA HAS MANY SPECIAL SBRELSS INTERESTS IN THE NRA. INTERESTS IN THE NRA. I AM NOT PLAYING BY THOSE RULES I AM NOT PLAYING BY THOSE RULES ANYMORE. ANYMORE. I AM GOING TO BREAK THE LOG JAM. I AM GOING TO BREAK THE LOG JAM. PHARMA IS GOING TO NEGOTIATE PHARMA IS GOING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND WE’LL WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND WE’LL HAVE COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY. HAVE COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY. IF YOU DON’T, WE ARE COMING IF YOU DON’T, WE ARE COMING AFTER YOU. AFTER YOU.>>LET’S STICK WITH HEALTHCARE>>LET’S STICK WITH HEALTHCARE PACKAGES, HEALTHCARE AND INCOME PACKAGES, HEALTHCARE AND INCOME OF EQUALITY, WHAT WILL YOU DO TO OF EQUALITY, WHAT WILL YOU DO TO RESTORE THE UNION OF THIS RESTORE THE UNION OF THIS COUNTRY? COUNTRY?>>UNIONS ARRIVED IN AMERICA>>UNIONS ARRIVED IN AMERICA BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF BAD BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF BAD ACTORS. ACTORS. UNIONS HAVE ARRIVED ON THE SCENE UNIONS HAVE ARRIVED ON THE SCENE BECAUSE COMPANIES WERE NOT DOING BECAUSE COMPANIES WERE NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THEIR THE RIGHT THING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. EMPLOYEES. THEY’RE ALSO VERY GOOD AT THEY’RE ALSO VERY GOOD AT COMPANIES IN AMERICA AND GOOD COMPANIES IN AMERICA AND GOOD MANAGEMENT IN AMERICA WHO MANAGEMENT IN AMERICA WHO RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE TO SHARE RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE TO SHARE SUCCESS THAT NOT EVERY BUSINESS SUCCESS THAT NOT EVERY BUSINESS DECISION IS AN ECONOMIC ONE. DECISION IS AN ECONOMIC ONE. UNIONS HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY. UNIONS HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY. THE ANSWER TO IN EQUALITY IS THE ANSWER TO IN EQUALITY IS COMPREHENSIVE TAX REFORM. COMPREHENSIVE TAX REFORM. I WAS OUTRAGED WHEN PRESIDENT I WAS OUTRAGED WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP GAVE A FREE RIDE TO TRUMP GAVE A FREE RIDE TO CORPORATIONS OF 21% TAX RATE. CORPORATIONS OF 21% TAX RATE. THAT WAS WRONG, ESPECIALLY WRONG THAT WAS WRONG, ESPECIALLY WRONG WHEN WE DID NOTHING TO HELP THE WHEN WE DID NOTHING TO HELP THE PEOPLE WHO NEEDED MOST. PEOPLE WHO NEEDED MOST. WE NEED COMPREHENSIVE TAX WE NEED COMPREHENSIVE TAX REFORMS. REFORMS.>>CAPITAL GAINS.>>CAPITAL GAINS.>>EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE LOOKED>>EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT IN A FAIRWAY. AT IN A FAIRWAY.>>YOU WERE OPPOSED TO THE>>YOU WERE OPPOSED TO THE TRUMP’S TAX CUT? TRUMP’S TAX CUT?>>YES, 100%.>>YES, 100%. I WAS PUBLIC ABOUT THAT. I WAS PUBLIC ABOUT THAT. NOW WE ARE GOING TO SEE THIS. NOW WE ARE GOING TO SEE THIS.>>ONE QUICK QUESTION AND WE GOT>>ONE QUICK QUESTION AND WE GOT TO GO TO BREAK. TO GO TO BREAK.>>THIS IS RAPID FIRE.>>THIS IS RAPID FIRE.>>THIS IS GOING GREAT.>>THIS IS GOING GREAT.>>IT IS CALLED HAZING.>>IT IS CALLED HAZING.>>YOU NEED TO COME HERE>>YOU NEED TO COME HERE EVERYDAY. EVERYDAY. I AM CURIOUS, SO MUCH OF WHAT’S I AM CURIOUS, SO MUCH OF WHAT’S DRIVING THE AMERICAN POLITICS IS DRIVING THE AMERICAN POLITICS IS IMPACTED BY 2008, OF COURSE, THE IMPACTED BY 2008, OF COURSE, THE COLLAPSE. COLLAPSE.>>YES.>>YES.>>DO YOU THINK, FORGET ANY SORT>>DO YOU THINK, FORGET ANY SORT OF POPULOUS STRAND. OF POPULOUS STRAND. DON’T YOU THINK SOME MORE PEOPLE DON’T YOU THINK SOME MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT CRASH SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL? CRASH SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL?>>YES.>>YES.>>DON’T YOU THINK IT IS A CRIME>>DON’T YOU THINK IT IS A CRIME THAT WE HAVE KIDS THAT SPENDS THAT WE HAVE KIDS THAT SPENDS TIME IN JAIL FOR SMOKING POT AND TIME IN JAIL FOR SMOKING POT AND YOU GOT PEOPLE THAT DESTROY YOU GOT PEOPLE THAT DESTROY AMERICAN LIVES AND HAVE WIPED AMERICAN LIVES AND HAVE WIPED OUT THEIR LIFELONG EARNINGS AND OUT THEIR LIFELONG EARNINGS AND THEY NEVER SPEND A DAY IN THEY NEVER SPEND A DAY IN PRISON. PRISON.>>YES, WHO’S RESPONSIBLE FOR>>YES, WHO’S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? THAT? THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN POWER. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN POWER. THE LEADERS OF THE GOVERNMENT, THE LEADERS OF THE GOVERNMENT, THE REPUBLICANS AND THE THE REPUBLICANS AND THE DEMOCRATS. DEMOCRATS.>>AND, AND, THE PEOPLE THAT>>AND, AND, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE RUNNING THE BANKS AND THE WERE RUNNING THE BANKS AND THE INVESTMENT FIRMS. INVESTMENT FIRMS.>>AGREE.>>AGREE.>>THAT WERE MILKING THE SYSTEM.>>THAT WERE MILKING THE SYSTEM.>>BUT WHO’S RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT>>BUT WHO’S RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT PUTTING THOSE PEOPLE IN JAIL? PUTTING THOSE PEOPLE IN JAIL?>>IT WAS THE LEADER OF THE>>IT WAS THE LEADER OF THE GOVERNMENT. GOVERNMENT.>>SO YOU WOULD.>>SO YOU WOULD.>>ABSOLUTELY.>>ABSOLUTELY. THE STATUS QUO IS NOT WORKING THE STATUS QUO IS NOT WORKING AND THE LEADERS OF BOTH PARTIES AND THE LEADERS OF BOTH PARTIES ARE DOING ONE THING, BASED ON ARE DOING ONE THING, BASED ON SELF INTEREST. SELF INTEREST. I KNOW YOU WILL GET TO THE BOOK I KNOW YOU WILL GET TO THE BOOK WHICH I LOVE. WHICH I LOVE. IF YOU ARE DEMOCRATIC OR IF YOU ARE DEMOCRATIC OR REPUBLICAN TODAY AND YOU JUST REPUBLICAN TODAY AND YOU JUST WANT TO GO FIVE INCHES AWAY FROM WANT TO GO FIVE INCHES AWAY FROM THE IDEOLOGY OF THE PARTY, YOU THE IDEOLOGY OF THE PARTY, YOU KNOW THIS, YOU ARE OUT. KNOW THIS, YOU ARE OUT.>>IT IS UNBELIEVERABLEABLE.>>IT IS UNBELIEVERABLEABLE.>>IT IS LIKE THE GOD FATHER,>>IT IS LIKE THE GOD FATHER, YOU NEVER GET CREDIT. YOU NEVER GET CREDIT.>>SENATOR WARREN PUT OUT A>>SENATOR WARREN PUT OUT A PLAN. PLAN. YOU CALL THAT PLAN RIDICULOUS. YOU CALL THAT PLAN RIDICULOUS. WE SHOW A POLL EARLIER IN THE WE SHOW A POLL EARLIER IN THE SHOW. SHOW.>>WELL, IF THAT PLAN WAS PUT IN>>WELL, IF THAT PLAN WAS PUT IN PLACE, IT PROBABLY CAN FUND THE PLACE, IT PROBABLY CAN FUND THE GOVERNMENT A DAY OR TWO. GOVERNMENT A DAY OR TWO. THAT’S NOT THE ANSWER. THAT’S NOT THE ANSWER. THE ANSWER IS LET’S TAKE A STEP THE ANSWER IS LET’S TAKE A STEP BACK AFTER THIS. BACK AFTER THIS. LET’S NOT SEND OUT A TWEET OR LET’S NOT SEND OUT A TWEET OR PRESS RELEASE THAT DOES NOT MAKE PRESS RELEASE THAT DOES NOT MAKE NEWS. NEWS. LET’S GET SERIOUS PEOPLE AROUND LET’S GET SERIOUS PEOPLE AROUND THE TABLE AND SOLVE THIS PROBLEM THE TABLE AND SOLVE THIS PROBLEM ONCE AND FOR ALL WHICH IS ONCE AND FOR ALL WHICH IS COMPREHENSIVE TAX REFORM. COMPREHENSIVE TAX REFORM.>>DO YOU THINK ELIZABETH WARREN>>DO YOU THINK ELIZABETH WARREN IS A SERIOUS PERSON? IS A SERIOUS PERSON?>>YES, SHE IS A SERIOUS PERSON.>>YES, SHE IS A SERIOUS PERSON. SHE CAME TO ME A FEW YEARS AGO SHE CAME TO ME A FEW YEARS AGO ASKING FOR CONTRIBUTION? ASKING FOR CONTRIBUTION?>>DID YOU GIVE IT TO HER?>>DID YOU GIVE IT TO HER?>>NO.>>NO. I DID NOT. I DID NOT. I DON’T BELIEVE THE COUNTRY I DON’T BELIEVE THE COUNTRY SHOULD HEAD TO SOCIALISM. SHOULD HEAD TO SOCIALISM.>>DO YOU THINK SHE’S A>>DO YOU THINK SHE’S A SOCIALIST? SOCIALIST?>>SHE’S A SMART WOMAN, I>>SHE’S A SMART WOMAN, I RESPECT HER. RESPECT HER. THIS IS NOT PERSONAL. THIS IS NOT PERSONAL. I JUST DON’T AGREE WITH HER. I JUST DON’T AGREE WITH HER.>>WE NEED TO HAVE THAT>>WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ANOTHER TIME. CONVERSATION ANOTHER TIME.>>YOU NEED TO COME BACK.>>YOU NEED TO COME BACK.>>I HAVE TO LEAVE ALREADY?>>I HAVE TO LEAVE ALREADY?>>WE GOT ANOTHER SEGMENT.>>WE GOT ANOTHER SEGMENT.>>YOU NEED TO TRY CHEERIOS.>>YOU NEED TO TRY CHEERIOS. I LOUGH C LOVE CHEERIOS. I LOUGH C LOVE CHEERIOS.>>I AM A YOGA GUY.>>I AM A YOGA GUY.>>WE NEED YOU TO COME BACK.>>WE NEED YOU TO COME BACK.>>I WOULD SAY IT RIGHT NOW.>>I WOULD SAY IT RIGHT NOW. IF YOU COME HERE AND SAID I AM IF YOU COME HERE AND SAID I AM RUNNING AS A DEMOCRATIC THEN RUNNING AS A DEMOCRATIC THEN EVERY HEADLINE OF TOMORROW WOULD EVERY HEADLINE OF TOMORROW WOULD BE YOU FILL THE SPACE OF JOE BE YOU FILL THE SPACE OF JOE BIDEN AND YOU WOULD BE THE BIDEN AND YOU WOULD BE THE CANDIDATE TO WATCH OUT FOR. CANDIDATE TO WATCH OUT FOR. RIGHT NOW THE QUESTION IS IF JOE RIGHT NOW THE QUESTION IS IF JOE BIDEN RUNS, ARE YOU GUYS BIDEN RUNS, ARE YOU GUYS FIGHTING? FIGHTING?>>I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR>>I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE COUNTRY IF BIDEN RUNS OR THE COUNTRY IF BIDEN RUNS OR BLOOMBERG RUNS. BLOOMBERG RUNS. I THINK IT WILL BE A WONDERFUL I THINK IT WILL BE A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY AND EXCHANGE. OPPORTUNITY AND EXCHANGE.>>YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT.>>YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. DID THE SAME PEOPLE PREDICTING DID THE SAME PEOPLE PREDICTING THAT DONALD TRUMP WOULD NEVER BE THAT DONALD TRUMP WOULD NEVER BE ELECTED AS PRESIDENT OF THE ELECTED AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. UNITED STATES.>>NOBODY KNOWS NOTHING.>>NOBODY KNOWS NOTHING.>>I KNOW ONE THING, I LOVE>>I KNOW ONE THING, I LOVE AMERICA AND I WANT TO TRY TO FIX AMERICA AND I WANT TO TRY TO FIX THE PROBLEM AND THE PEOPLE THE PROBLEM AND THE PEOPLE THAT’S LEFT BEHIND. THAT’S LEFT BEHIND.>>HOWARD SCHULTZ.>>HOWARD SCHULTZ.>>HIS BOOK “FROM THE GROUND UP”>>HIS BOOK “FROM THE GROUND UP” IS OUT NOW.

Exploring The Koch Brothers’ Political Influence | Velshi & Ruhle | MSNBC


. .>>>TIME NOW FOR “MONEY, POWER,>>>TIME NOW FOR “MONEY, POWER, POLITICS.” POLITICS.” IN THE 2018 ELECTION CYCLE IN THE 2018 ELECTION CYCLE CONSERVATIVE BILLIONAIRES CONSERVATIVE BILLIONAIRES CHARLES AND DAVID KOCH SPENT CHARLES AND DAVID KOCH SPENT ALMOST $400 MILLION BUCKS WITH ALMOST $400 MILLION BUCKS WITH $20 MILLION DEDICATED TO MAKING $20 MILLION DEDICATED TO MAKING SURE THE TAX CUTS PASSED. SURE THE TAX CUTS PASSED. THERE ARE FEW INDIVIDUALS WITH THERE ARE FEW INDIVIDUALS WITH MORE INFLUENCE IN BUSINESS AND MORE INFLUENCE IN BUSINESS AND POLITICS THAN THESE TWO BROTHERS POLITICS THAN THESE TWO BROTHERS ON YOUR SCREEN. ON YOUR SCREEN. THEY OWN ROUGHLY 80% OF KOCH THEY OWN ROUGHLY 80% OF KOCH INDUSTRIES. INDUSTRIES. NOW, WE HEAR ABOUT THEIR NOW, WE HEAR ABOUT THEIR POLITICAL DONATIONS AND THEIR POLITICAL DONATIONS AND THEIR LOBBYING EFFORTS AGAINST CLIMATE LOBBYING EFFORTS AGAINST CLIMATE CHANGE INITIATIVES BUT RARELY CHANGE INITIATIVES BUT RARELY HEAR ABOUT HOW THIS FAMILY GOT HEAR ABOUT HOW THIS FAMILY GOT SO POWERFUL. SO POWERFUL. IN THE NEW BOOK “KOCHLAND” IN THE NEW BOOK “KOCHLAND” KRISTOFFER LEONARD DESCRIBES HOW KRISTOFFER LEONARD DESCRIBES HOW CHARLES KOCH TURNED THIS COMPANY CHARLES KOCH TURNED THIS COMPANY INTO A $110 BILLION EMPIRE AND INTO A $110 BILLION EMPIRE AND HAVE INFILTRATED JUST ABOUT HAVE INFILTRATED JUST ABOUT EVERY THREAD OF AMERICAN LIFE. EVERY THREAD OF AMERICAN LIFE. I’LL SHARE THIS QUOTE. I’LL SHARE THIS QUOTE. THE COMPANY IS EMBEDDED IN THE THE COMPANY IS EMBEDDED IN THE HIDDEN INFRASTRUCTURE OF EVERY HIDDEN INFRASTRUCTURE OF EVERY DAY LIFE. DAY LIFE. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE USE KOCH MILLIONS OF PEOPLE USE KOCH PRODUCTS WITHOUT EVER SEEING PRODUCTS WITHOUT EVER SEEING KOCH’S NAME ATTACHED. KOCH’S NAME ATTACHED. JOINING ME NOW THE AUTHOR JOINING ME NOW THE AUTHOR OF “KOCHLAND THE SECRET STORY OF OF “KOCHLAND THE SECRET STORY OF KOCH INDUSTRIES AND CORPORATE KOCH INDUSTRIES AND CORPORATE POWER IN AMERICA.” POWER IN AMERICA.” CHRISTOPHER, YOU NOTE WE USE CHRISTOPHER, YOU NOTE WE USE KOCH PRODUCTS EVERY DAY AND KOCH PRODUCTS EVERY DAY AND ALMOST NEVER SEE THEIR NAME. ALMOST NEVER SEE THEIR NAME. WHAT ARE THE PRODUCTS? WHAT ARE THE PRODUCTS? HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?>>WELL, THIS COMPANY>>WELL, THIS COMPANY SPECIALIZES IN THE KINDS OF SPECIALIZES IN THE KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT UNDERPIN BUSINESSES THAT UNDERPIN CIVILIZATION. CIVILIZATION. KOCH MAKES FUEL, FERTILIZER, KOCH MAKES FUEL, FERTILIZER, BUILDING MATERIALS, CLOTHING BUILDING MATERIALS, CLOTHING MATERIALS, THE SENSORS IN YOUR MATERIALS, THE SENSORS IN YOUR CELL PHONES. CELL PHONES. THE KIND OF STUFF YOU USE EVERY THE KIND OF STUFF YOU USE EVERY DAY BUT NEVER DIRECTLY PURCHASE DAY BUT NEVER DIRECTLY PURCHASE IF YOU WILL. IF YOU WILL. AND THE PROFITS FROM THIS HAVE AND THE PROFITS FROM THIS HAVE BEEN STUNNING. BEEN STUNNING. KOCH’S ANNUAL SALES FOR EXAMPLE KOCH’S ANNUAL SALES FOR EXAMPLE ARE LARGER THAN THAT OF ARE LARGER THAN THAT OF FACEBOOK, GOLDMAN SACHS, AND FACEBOOK, GOLDMAN SACHS, AND U.S. STEEL COMBINED. U.S. STEEL COMBINED. THIS IS A MASSIVE COMPANY THAT THIS IS A MASSIVE COMPANY THAT AFFECTS MILLIONS OF AMERICANS. AFFECTS MILLIONS OF AMERICANS.>>THEN HOW ON EARTH DO WE>>THEN HOW ON EARTH DO WE BARELY KNOW ABOUT THEM? BARELY KNOW ABOUT THEM? I WANT TO SHARE A QUOTE FROM THE I WANT TO SHARE A QUOTE FROM THE BOOK. BOOK. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE SECRECY. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE SECRECY. YOU WRITE, SECRECY WAS A YOU WRITE, SECRECY WAS A STRATEGIC NECESSITY FOR KOCH STRATEGIC NECESSITY FOR KOCH INDUSTRIES. INDUSTRIES. CHARLES KOCH DID NOT WANT TO CHARLES KOCH DID NOT WANT TO SURRENDER IT. SURRENDER IT. HE ALSO DIDN’T WANT TO SURRENDER HE ALSO DIDN’T WANT TO SURRENDER CONTROL. CONTROL. HE HAD A SPECIFIC, CLEAR VISION HE HAD A SPECIFIC, CLEAR VISION OF HOW TO RUN HIS COMPANY AND HE OF HOW TO RUN HIS COMPANY AND HE DIDN’T NEED WALL STREET DIDN’T NEED WALL STREET INVESTORS TO INTERFERE. INVESTORS TO INTERFERE. SO WAS THE MAGIC OF ALL THIS TO SO WAS THE MAGIC OF ALL THIS TO KEEP THE COMPANY PRIVATE? KEEP THE COMPANY PRIVATE?>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>THAT’S RIGHT. WHAT IS SO INTERESTING TO ME IS WHAT IS SO INTERESTING TO ME IS THE SECRECY AROUND THIS THE SECRECY AROUND THIS CORPORATION. CORPORATION. WE KNOW KOCH, FOR EXAMPLE, VERY WE KNOW KOCH, FOR EXAMPLE, VERY INTENTIONALLY DISGUISES ITS INTENTIONALLY DISGUISES ITS POLITICAL DONATIONS. POLITICAL DONATIONS. WELL, THAT COMES FROM THE WELL, THAT COMES FROM THE BUSINESS ITSELF. BUSINESS ITSELF. AND WHAT I REALIZED IS THAT AND WHAT I REALIZED IS THAT SECRECY IS STRATEGIC FOR KOCH SECRECY IS STRATEGIC FOR KOCH INDUSTRIES. INDUSTRIES. FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A COMPANY FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A COMPANY THAT IS REALLY DEEPLY INVOLVED THAT IS REALLY DEEPLY INVOLVED IN WHAT WE WOULD CALL TRADING, IN WHAT WE WOULD CALL TRADING, BUYING AND SELLING, ENERGY, BUYING AND SELLING, ENERGY, SUPPLIES, EVEN BUYING AND SUPPLIES, EVEN BUYING AND SELLING OTHER COMPANIES. SELLING OTHER COMPANIES. WHEN THAT’S YOUR LINE OF WORK WHEN THAT’S YOUR LINE OF WORK YOU REALLY DON’T WANT OTHER YOU REALLY DON’T WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW AND PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW AND TO KNOW WHAT YOU’RE BE TO DO. TO KNOW WHAT YOU’RE BE TO DO. THAT’S WHY SECRECY IS SO THAT’S WHY SECRECY IS SO FUNDAMENTAL TO THIS COMPANY. FUNDAMENTAL TO THIS COMPANY.>>CHARLIE, YOU HAVE SEEN THIS>>CHARLIE, YOU HAVE SEEN THIS PLAY OUT IN WISCONSIN, WISCONSIN PLAY OUT IN WISCONSIN, WISCONSIN POLITICS. POLITICS. PUT IT INTO CONTEXT. PUT IT INTO CONTEXT.>>WELL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY>>WELL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE BEEN MAJOR PLAYERS IN THE HAVE BEEN MAJOR PLAYERS IN THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT AND THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT AND THE RISE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BUT RISE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BUT WHAT IS INTERESTING TO ME, ALSO, WHAT IS INTERESTING TO ME, ALSO, IS THE WAY THAT — IS THE RULE IS THE WAY THAT — IS THE RULE THEY’RE GOING TO PLAY IN THE ERA THEY’RE GOING TO PLAY IN THE ERA OF TRUMP. OF TRUMP. THEY NEVER REALLY GOT ON BOARD THEY NEVER REALLY GOT ON BOARD WITH DONALD TRUMP AND THE THING WITH DONALD TRUMP AND THE THING ABOUT THE KOCHS AND I’M TALKING ABOUT THE KOCHS AND I’M TALKING ABOUT POLITICS, IN CONTRAST TO ABOUT POLITICS, IN CONTRAST TO SOME OF THE OTHER PLAYERS LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER PLAYERS LIKE THE MERCERS, THEY DO THINK THEY THE MERCERS, THEY DO THINK THEY ACTUALLY CARED ABOUT IDEAS. ACTUALLY CARED ABOUT IDEAS. AND I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN AND I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN WILLING TO STAY ARMS LENGTH. WILLING TO STAY ARMS LENGTH.>>AND –>>AND –>>THEY BOUGHT INTO THE WHOLE>>THEY BOUGHT INTO THE WHOLE STEVE BANNON, YOU KNOW, TRUMP STEVE BANNON, YOU KNOW, TRUMP SORT OF WORLD VIEW. SORT OF WORLD VIEW. AND I THINK THAT IT’S AND I THINK THAT IT’S INTERESTING TO ME TO NOTE WHAT INTERESTING TO ME TO NOTE WHAT ROLE THE KOCHS WILL PLAY OR THE ROLE THE KOCHS WILL PLAY OR THE KOCH — THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL KOCH — THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL PLAY IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND PLAY IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT POST THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT POST DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP. THESE GUYS ARE HARD TO KIND OF, THESE GUYS ARE HARD TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IS JUST PUT INTO A BOX YOU KNOW, IS JUST PUT INTO A BOX BECAUSE THEY’RE QUITE BECAUSE THEY’RE QUITE LIBERTARIAN. LIBERTARIAN. THEY ARE INTERESTED IN A WHOLE THEY ARE INTERESTED IN A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS. LOT OF THINGS.>>KRISTOFFER,CHRISTOPHER YOU GO>>KRISTOFFER,CHRISTOPHER YOU GO GREATER DETAIL AROUND HOW DONALD GREATER DETAIL AROUND HOW DONALD TRUMP WAS CERTAINLY NOT THE KOCH TRUMP WAS CERTAINLY NOT THE KOCH BROTHERS’ BOY. BROTHERS’ BOY. THEY CONSIDERED FIVE DIFFERENT THEY CONSIDERED FIVE DIFFERENT REPUBLICANS IN 2016. REPUBLICANS IN 2016. NONE OF THEM WERE THE PRESIDENT. NONE OF THEM WERE THE PRESIDENT. YOU WROTE THIS. YOU WROTE THIS. IN MANY WAYS, DONALD TRUMP POSED IN MANY WAYS, DONALD TRUMP POSED A GREATER POLITICAL THREAT TO A GREATER POLITICAL THREAT TO CHARLES KOCH’S POLITICAL AGENDA CHARLES KOCH’S POLITICAL AGENDA THAN BARACK OBAMA. THAN BARACK OBAMA. THAT IS A BIG STATEMENT. THAT IS A BIG STATEMENT. HOW? HOW?>>WELL, CHARLES KOCH HAS BEEN>>WELL, CHARLES KOCH HAS BEEN PATIENTLY WORKING TO RESHAPE THE PATIENTLY WORKING TO RESHAPE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR 40 YEARS. REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR 40 YEARS. HIS GOAL AS CHARLIE JUST SAID IS HIS GOAL AS CHARLIE JUST SAID IS TO MAKE THE REPUBLICANS MORE TO MAKE THE REPUBLICANS MORE LIBERTARIAN WITH THIS POINT OF LIBERTARIAN WITH THIS POINT OF VIEW THAT GOVERNMENT MUST BE VIEW THAT GOVERNMENT MUST BE LIMITED AND MUST NEVER INTERVENE LIMITED AND MUST NEVER INTERVENE IN MARKETS. IN MARKETS. WHEN DONALD TRUMP CAME ALONG IN WHEN DONALD TRUMP CAME ALONG IN 2016, HE UP ENDED THAT 2016, HE UP ENDED THAT PHILOSOPHY. PHILOSOPHY. DONALD TRUMP CLEARLY BELIEVES DONALD TRUMP CLEARLY BELIEVES THAT GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION IS THAT GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION IS NOT ONLY APPROPRIATE BUT NOT ONLY APPROPRIATE BUT DESIRABLE. DESIRABLE. JUST LOOK AT THE TARIFFS. JUST LOOK AT THE TARIFFS. LOOK AT THE TRADE WAR. LOOK AT THE TRADE WAR. DONALD TRUMP IS SEEKING TO DONALD TRUMP IS SEEKING TO RESHAPE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NOW RESHAPE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NOW IN HIS OWN IMAGE, WHICH IS THIS IN HIS OWN IMAGE, WHICH IS THIS SO-CALLED AMERICA FIRST AGENDA. SO-CALLED AMERICA FIRST AGENDA. IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE AMERICA FIRST AGENDA IS ANATHEMA AMERICA FIRST AGENDA IS ANATHEMA TO THE KOCH NETWORK. TO THE KOCH NETWORK. THERE IS A STRUGGLE AND A FIGHT THERE IS A STRUGGLE AND A FIGHT FOR CONTROL FOR THE FUTURE OF FOR CONTROL FOR THE FUTURE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND I THINK

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>>>THIS MORNING WE’RE LEARNING>>>THIS MORNING WE’RE LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE TRUMP MORE ABOUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION’S LATEST ATTEMPT ADMINISTRATION’S LATEST ATTEMPT TO DETER IMMIGRANTS FROM PASSING TO DETER IMMIGRANTS FROM PASSING THE BORDER, BLOOMBERG REPORTING THE BORDER, BLOOMBERG REPORTING FOR MONTHS THE WHITE HOUSE HAS FOR MONTHS THE WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO BEEN TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO BLOCK UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT BLOCK UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT CHILDREN FROM ENROLLING IN CHILDREN FROM ENROLLING IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS AS CALIFORNIA PUBLIC SCHOOLS AS CALIFORNIA BECOMES THE LATEST STATE TO BECOMES THE LATEST STATE TO CHALLENGE THE ADMINISTRATION’S CHALLENGE THE ADMINISTRATION’S PUBLIC CHARGE RULE WHICH AIMS TO PUBLIC CHARGE RULE WHICH AIMS TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR POOR MAKE IT HARDER FOR POOR IMMIGRANTS TO BECOME LEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO BECOME LEGAL RESIDENTS. RESIDENTS. THE MASTERMIND BEHIND BOTH THE MASTERMIND BEHIND BOTH POLICIES, TRUMP AIDE STEPHEN POLICIES, TRUMP AIDE STEPHEN MILLER WHOSE PATH TO POWER MADE MILLER WHOSE PATH TO POWER MADE IT TO TWO FRONT PAGES THIS IT TO TWO FRONT PAGES THIS WEEKEND. WEEKEND. “THE TIMES” WRITING THIS. “THE TIMES” WRITING THIS. MR. MILLER NOW OCCUPIES A LARGE MR. MILLER NOW OCCUPIES A LARGE WEST WING OFFICE AND HAS WEST WING OFFICE AND HAS INFLUENCE ON VIRTUALLY EVERY INFLUENCE ON VIRTUALLY EVERY ELEMENT OF IMMIGRATION POLICY ELEMENT OF IMMIGRATION POLICY FROM THE WORDS THE PRESIDENT FROM THE WORDS THE PRESIDENT USES TO THE REGULATIONS. USES TO THE REGULATIONS. MR. MILLER IS A SPEECHWRITER, MR. MILLER IS A SPEECHWRITER, POLICY ARCHITECT, PERSONNEL POLICY ARCHITECT, PERSONNEL DIRECTOR, LEGISLATIVE AIDE, DIRECTOR, LEGISLATIVE AIDE, SPOKESMAN, AND STRATEGIST. SPOKESMAN, AND STRATEGIST. AT EVERY STEP, HE HAS PUSHED FOR AT EVERY STEP, HE HAS PUSHED FOR THE HARDEST LINE POSSIBLE. THE HARDEST LINE POSSIBLE. JOINING ME NOW THE REPORTER JOINING ME NOW THE REPORTER BEHIND THAT PIECE WITH THE “NEW BEHIND THAT PIECE WITH THE “NEW YORK TIMES” ALSO THE AUTHOR OF YORK TIMES” ALSO THE AUTHOR OF THE NEW BOOK OUT TOMORROW “A THE NEW BOOK OUT TOMORROW “A GOOD PROVIDER IS ONE WHO LEAVES GOOD PROVIDER IS ONE WHO LEAVES ONE’S FAMILY AND MIGRATION IN ONE’S FAMILY AND MIGRATION IN THE 21st CENTURY.” THE 21st CENTURY.” JOYCE VANCE FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY JOYCE VANCE FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY AND PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY AND PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA LAW SCHOOL AND OF ALABAMA LAW SCHOOL AND CONGRESSWOMAN SHERRILL BACK WITH CONGRESSWOMAN SHERRILL BACK WITH ME. ME. JOYCE, I WANT TO START FIRST JOYCE, I WANT TO START FIRST WITH THE REPORT THAT THE TRUMP WITH THE REPORT THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO BLOCK IMMIGRANT CHILDREN FROM BLOCK IMMIGRANT CHILDREN FROM ATTENDING PUBLIC SCHOOL. ATTENDING PUBLIC SCHOOL. I KNOW YOU DEALT WITH SOMETHING I KNOW YOU DEALT WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN ALABAMA. LIKE THIS IN ALABAMA. WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT HAPPENED?>>THIS IS CLEARLY>>THIS IS CLEARLY UN-CONSTITUTIONAL AND STEMS FROM UN-CONSTITUTIONAL AND STEMS FROM A SUPREME COURT CASE BACK IN THE A SUPREME COURT CASE BACK IN THE 1980s. 1980s. IN THE ALABAMA CASE, ALABAMA’S IN THE ALABAMA CASE, ALABAMA’S EFFORTS BY STATE LAW TO FORCE EFFORTS BY STATE LAW TO FORCE KIDS TO REVEAL THEIR PARENTS’ KIDS TO REVEAL THEIR PARENTS’ IMMIGRATION STATUS SO THEY COULD IMMIGRATION STATUS SO THEY COULD REGISTER FOR SCHOOL, A MEASURE REGISTER FOR SCHOOL, A MEASURE CLEARLY AN EFFORT TO FORCE CLEARLY AN EFFORT TO FORCE PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE WITHOUT PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE WITHOUT LEGAL IMMIGRATION STATUS TO LEGAL IMMIGRATION STATUS TO REVEAL THEMSELVES, WAS REVEAL THEMSELVES, WAS ULTIMATELY HELD ULTIMATELY HELD UN-CONSTITUTIONAL BY THE 11th UN-CONSTITUTIONAL BY THE 11th CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS AND THE CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS AND THE SUPREME COURT DECLINED TO SUPREME COURT DECLINED TO REVERSE THAT RULING. REVERSE THAT RULING. THIS IS A REALLY COMMON SENSE THIS IS A REALLY COMMON SENSE REASONING WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT REASONING WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT. IT. IT SAYS, FIRST, IF THESE KIDS IT SAYS, FIRST, IF THESE KIDS CAN’T GET AN EDUCATION, THEY’LL CAN’T GET AN EDUCATION, THEY’LL NEVER BE ABLE TO MAKE A NEVER BE ABLE TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION. CONTRIBUTION. THAT WE SHOULDN’T PENALIZE THEM THAT WE SHOULDN’T PENALIZE THEM AT THAT YOUNG AGE. AT THAT YOUNG AGE. SECONDARILY, IT SAYS, WE AREN’T SECONDARILY, IT SAYS, WE AREN’T A COUNTRY THAT PUNISHES INNOCENT A COUNTRY THAT PUNISHES INNOCENT CHILDREN FOR DECISIONS THAT CHILDREN FOR DECISIONS THAT THEIR PARENTS MAKE. THEIR PARENTS MAKE. TWO, THREE, 4-YEAR-OLD KIDS TWO, THREE, 4-YEAR-OLD KIDS DON’T CHOOSE TO COME TO THIS DON’T CHOOSE TO COME TO THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. EVEN OLDER CHILDREN ARE DIRECTED EVEN OLDER CHILDREN ARE DIRECTED BY THEIR PARENTS. BY THEIR PARENTS. THEY SHOULD STILL GET AN THEY SHOULD STILL GET AN EDUCATION. EDUCATION. THAT’S BEEN VERY CLEAR LAW IN THAT’S BEEN VERY CLEAR LAW IN THIS COUNTRY SINCE AT LEAST THE THIS COUNTRY SINCE AT LEAST THE 1980s. 1980s. SO THIS EFFORT TO GO AROUND SUCH SO THIS EFFORT TO GO AROUND SUCH A CLEAR RULE OF LAW IN SUCH A A CLEAR RULE OF LAW IN SUCH A MEAN SPIRITED WAY IS I THINK A MEAN SPIRITED WAY IS I THINK A VERY DANGEROUS DEVELOPMENT IN VERY DANGEROUS DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. THIS AREA.>>CONGRESSWOMAN, WHILE IT MIGHT>>CONGRESSWOMAN, WHILE IT MIGHT BE UN-CONSTITUTIONAL, DOES THE BE UN-CONSTITUTIONAL, DOES THE SPIRIT OF IT REFLECT HOW AMERICA SPIRIT OF IT REFLECT HOW AMERICA CURRENTLY FEELS? CURRENTLY FEELS? WE KNOW OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION WE KNOW OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM IS FAILING. SYSTEM IS FAILING. ARE THERE AMERICANS WHO MIGHT ARE THERE AMERICANS WHO MIGHT NOT BE HARD LINE ANTI-IMMIGRANT NOT BE HARD LINE ANTI-IMMIGRANT AMERICANS WHO CERTAINLY DON’T AMERICANS WHO CERTAINLY DON’T SUPPORT CHILD SEPARATION POLICY SUPPORT CHILD SEPARATION POLICY BUT WHO DO SUPPORT THE IDEA THAT BUT WHO DO SUPPORT THE IDEA THAT UNTIL EVERY AMERICAN CHILD IS UNTIL EVERY AMERICAN CHILD IS GETTING A GOOD EDUCATION WE GETTING A GOOD EDUCATION WE SHOULDN’T OFFER AN EDUCATION TO SHOULDN’T OFFER AN EDUCATION TO OTHERS AND, YES, IT MAY BE OTHERS AND, YES, IT MAY BE UN-CONSTITUTIONAL, BUT I’M JUST UN-CONSTITUTIONAL, BUT I’M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SPIRIT. TALKING ABOUT THE SPIRIT.>>I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME>>I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME AMERICANS. AMERICANS. BUT THAT CERTAINLY IS BUT THAT CERTAINLY IS SHORT-SIGHTED. SHORT-SIGHTED. WHEN WE’RE NOT EDUCATING YOUNG WHEN WE’RE NOT EDUCATING YOUNG PEOPLE, NOT DOING THE MOST WE PEOPLE, NOT DOING THE MOST WE CAN FOR OUR ECONOMY. CAN FOR OUR ECONOMY. YES, DO WE NEED TO DO A BETTER YES, DO WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB EDUCATING AMERICAN CITIZENS? JOB EDUCATING AMERICAN CITIZENS? CERTAINLY. CERTAINLY. I AM PROUD TO SAY NEW JERSEY HAS I AM PROUD TO SAY NEW JERSEY HAS ONE OF THE BEST PUBLIC SCHOOL ONE OF THE BEST PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATION SYSTEMS IN THE COUNTRY EDUCATION SYSTEMS IN THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW. HOWEVER, WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE HOWEVER, WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE HAVE YOUNG SURE THAT AS WE HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN HERE WHO WERE BROUGHT CHILDREN HERE WHO WERE BROUGHT HERE THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR HERE THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN THAT WE’RE GIVING THEM A OWN THAT WE’RE GIVING THEM A GOOD ECONOMIC FUTURE BECAUSE YOU GOOD ECONOMIC FUTURE BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHEN WE’VE JUST HAD KNOW WHEN WE’VE JUST HAD D.A.C.A. REFORM PASSED IN THE D.A.C.A. REFORM PASSED IN THE HOUSE WHEN WE SEE THIS CHANCES HOUSE WHEN WE SEE THIS CHANCES ARE MANY OF THESE CHILDREN ARE ARE MANY OF THESE CHILDREN ARE GOING TO BE CONTRIBUTORS TO OUR GOING TO BE CONTRIBUTORS TO OUR ECONOMY IN THE FUTURE. ECONOMY IN THE FUTURE. THEY CAN’T DO THAT IF THEY DON’T THEY CAN’T DO THAT IF THEY DON’T HAVE AN EDUCATION. HAVE AN EDUCATION.>>GREAT POINT.>>GREAT POINT. JASON, IN YOUR PIECE ABOUT JASON, IN YOUR PIECE ABOUT STEPHEN MILLER YOU QUOTE SOME OF STEPHEN MILLER YOU QUOTE SOME OF HIS EARLY COLUMNS AND TV HIS EARLY COLUMNS AND TV APPEARANCES AND A COUPLE STUCK APPEARANCES AND A COUPLE STUCK OUT TO ME. OUT TO ME. THE QUOTE FROM THEODORE THE QUOTE FROM THEODORE ROOSEVELT INCLUDED IN HIS HIGH ROOSEVELT INCLUDED IN HIS HIGH SCHOOL YEARBOOK. SCHOOL YEARBOOK. THERE CAN BE NO 50/50 THERE CAN BE NO 50/50 AMERICANISM IN THIS COUNTRY. AMERICANISM IN THIS COUNTRY. THERE IS ROOM HERE FOR ONLY 100% THERE IS ROOM HERE FOR ONLY 100% AMERICANISM. AMERICANISM. ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE AMERICANS ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE AMERICANS AND NOTHING ELSE. AND NOTHING ELSE. AND THEN IN HIS FIRST JOB AS AN AND THEN IN HIS FIRST JOB AS AN AIDE TO A REPUBLICAN AIDE TO A REPUBLICAN CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELLE BACKMAN, CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELLE BACKMAN, ARGUING UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRANTS ARGUING UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRANTS WERE BRINGING IN DISEASES, WERE BRINGING IN DISEASES, BRINGING IN DRUGS, BRINGING IN BRINGING IN DRUGS, BRINGING IN VIOLENCE. VIOLENCE. WE HAVE HEARD VERY SIMILAR WE HAVE HEARD VERY SIMILAR LANGUAGE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE LANGUAGE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE AND IT SEEMS LIKE MILLER FORMED AND IT SEEMS LIKE MILLER FORMED THESE OPINIONS AT A YOUNG AGE THESE OPINIONS AT A YOUNG AGE YET WHEN HE JOINED THIS YET WHEN HE JOINED THIS ADMINISTRATION FORMER AIDES TO ADMINISTRATION FORMER AIDES TO THE PRESIDENT SAID HE’S JUST A THE PRESIDENT SAID HE’S JUST A SPEECHWRITER. SPEECHWRITER. A SPEECHWRITER WHO IS REALLY A SPEECHWRITER WHO IS REALLY SMART AND GETS THE PRESIDENT’S SMART AND GETS THE PRESIDENT’S VOICE. VOICE. HE IS NOT JUST A SPEECHWRITER HE IS NOT JUST A SPEECHWRITER ANYMORE. ANYMORE. HE’S HAD THESE VALUES FOR QUITE HE’S HAD THESE VALUES FOR QUITE SOMETIME AND NOW THOSE VALUES SOMETIME AND NOW THOSE VALUES AND VIEWS ARE BEING ENACTED IN AND VIEWS ARE BEING ENACTED IN POLICY. POLICY.>>NO, HE’S NOT JUST A>>NO, HE’S NOT JUST A SPEECHWRITER. SPEECHWRITER. HE IS THE MOST PROMINENT FACE OF HE IS THE MOST PROMINENT FACE OF A VERY INFLUENTIAL MOVEMENT THAT A VERY INFLUENTIAL MOVEMENT THAT HAS I THINK OVERTAKEN THE HAS I THINK OVERTAKEN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. REPUBLICAN PARTY. THE MOVEMENT TO RESTRICT THE MOVEMENT TO RESTRICT IMMIGRATION. IMMIGRATION. AND I THINK THERE’S AN ELEMENT AND I THINK THERE’S AN ELEMENT OF POTENTIAL SELF-FULFILLING OF POTENTIAL SELF-FULFILLING PROPHESY IN THIS. PROPHESY IN THIS. CRITICS OF IMMIGRATION WORRY CRITICS OF IMMIGRATION WORRY THAT IMMIGRANTS WON’T THAT IMMIGRANTS WON’T ASSIMILATE, BUT IF YOU CONTINUE ASSIMILATE, BUT IF YOU CONTINUE TO TELL THEM THAT THEY’RE NOT TO TELL THEM THAT THEY’RE NOT WELCOME AND IF YOU DENY THEIR WELCOME AND IF YOU DENY THEIR CHILDREN ACCESS TO PUBLIC CHILDREN ACCESS TO PUBLIC EDUCATION, YOU’RE ALMOST EDUCATION, YOU’RE ALMOST ENSURING THE OUTCOME THAT YOU ENSURING THE OUTCOME THAT YOU FEAR. FEAR.>>JOYCE, THE LATEST IMMIGRATION>>JOYCE, THE LATEST IMMIGRATION MOVE OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE IS MOVE OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE IS THIS PUBLIC CHARGE RULE MAKING THIS PUBLIC CHARGE RULE MAKING IT HARDER FOR IMMIGRANTS WHO IT HARDER FOR IMMIGRANTS WHO REQUIRE GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE TO REQUIRE GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE TO GET LEGAL STATUS. GET LEGAL STATUS. I KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL I KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL LAWSUITS AROUND THAT THAT I WANT LAWSUITS AROUND THAT THAT I WANT YOU TO HELP US UNDERSTAND BUT AT YOU TO HELP US UNDERSTAND BUT AT THE SAME TIME THE PRESIDENT IS THE SAME TIME THE PRESIDENT IS SAYING HE IS SICK AND TIRED OF SAYING HE IS SICK AND TIRED OF IMMIGRANTS COMING TO THIS IMMIGRANTS COMING TO THIS COUNTRY AND IMMEDIATELY GOING ON COUNTRY AND IMMEDIATELY GOING ON WELFARE, LEAVING OUT THE FACT WELFARE, LEAVING OUT THE FACT THAT THE MAJORITY OF IMMIGRANTS THAT THE MAJORITY OF IMMIGRANTS COMING INTO THIS COUNTRY AREN’T COMING INTO THIS COUNTRY AREN’T CURRENTLY ELIGIBLE FOR WELFARE. CURRENTLY ELIGIBLE FOR WELFARE. I’M TALKING DREAMERS, I’M TALKING DREAMERS, UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS, UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS, TEMPORARY WORKERS, SEASONAL TEMPORARY WORKERS, SEASONAL WORKERS, H1B VISA HOLDERS. WORKERS, H1B VISA HOLDERS. NONE OF THESE PEOPLE GET NONE OF THESE PEOPLE GET WELFARE. WELFARE. WHEN YOU’RE TALKING THE DAYS OF WHEN YOU’RE TALKING THE DAYS OF THE STATUE OF LIBERTY WE DIDN’T THE STATUE OF LIBERTY WE DIDN’T HAVE A WELFARE STATE. HAVE A WELFARE STATE.>>YOU KNOW, THIS CHANGE TO THE>>YOU KNOW, THIS CHANGE TO THE PUBLIC CHARGE RULE IS VERY MUCH PUBLIC CHARGE RULE IS VERY MUCH IN KEEPING WITH THE MEAN IN KEEPING WITH THE MEAN SPIRITEDNESS THAT REALLY SPIRITEDNESS THAT REALLY PERMEATES ALL OF THE PRESIDENT’S PERMEATES ALL OF THE PRESIDENT’S POLICY ON IMMIGRATION. POLICY ON IMMIGRATION. AND AS YOU POINT OUT IN THIS AND AS YOU POINT OUT IN THIS AREA, IT’S NOT REALLY A PROBLEM. AREA, IT’S NOT REALLY A PROBLEM. THIS IS PART OF AN IDEOLOGICAL THIS IS PART OF AN IDEOLOGICAL SHIFT. SHIFT. WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT MILLER WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT MILLER DOESN’T COME TO IMMIGRATION WITH DOESN’T COME TO IMMIGRATION WITH ENORMOUS PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE OR ENORMOUS PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE OR POLICY WORK IN THE AREA. POLICY WORK IN THE AREA. HE IS PRIMARILY AN IDEOLOGUE SO HE IS PRIMARILY AN IDEOLOGUE SO THIS IS PART OF THE TREND OF THIS IS PART OF THE TREND OF CONTINUING TO RESTRICT NOT JUST CONTINUING TO RESTRICT NOT JUST IMMIGRANTS WHO COME WITHOUT IMMIGRANTS WHO COME WITHOUT LEGAL STATUS BUT ALSO LEGAL LEGAL STATUS BUT ALSO LEGAL IMMIGRATION. IMMIGRATION. IT IS DANGEROUS AND SURPRISINGLY IT IS DANGEROUS AND SURPRISINGLY SHORT-SIGHTED. SHORT-SIGHTED. YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT SCHOOLS IN YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT SCHOOLS IN ALABAMA WHICH IS A HEAD COUNT ALABAMA WHICH IS A HEAD COUNT STATE. STATE. THAT MEANS IT’S FEDERAL FUNDING THAT MEANS IT’S FEDERAL FUNDING FOR EDUCATION BASED ON THE COUNT FOR EDUCATION BASED ON THE COUNT OF KIDS IN THE CLASSROOM WHEN OF KIDS IN THE CLASSROOM WHEN IMMIGRANT KIDS AND THE CHILDREN IMMIGRANT KIDS AND THE CHILDREN OF MIGRANTS DIDN’T GO TO SCHOOL OF MIGRANTS DIDN’T GO TO SCHOOL IN ALABAMA BECAUSE OF ITS BILL, IN ALABAMA BECAUSE OF ITS BILL, FUNDING DROPPED DRAMATICALLY AND FUNDING DROPPED DRAMATICALLY AND IT WAS SORT OF A WAY OF, YOU IT WAS SORT OF A WAY OF, YOU KNOW, CUTTING OFF YOUR NOSE TO KNOW, CUTTING OFF YOUR NOSE TO SPITE YOUR OWN FACE. SPITE YOUR OWN FACE. WE SEE MANY BAD ECONOMIC FALL WE SEE MANY BAD ECONOMIC FALL JOUTS JOUTS OUTS WHEN WE DON’T APPRECIATE OUTS WHEN WE DON’T APPRECIATE THE IMPETUS THE IMMIGRANTS BRING THE IMPETUS THE IMMIGRANTS BRING TO OUR ECONOMIC ENGINES. TO OUR ECONOMIC ENGINES.>>JASON, WE KNOW STEPHEN>>JASON, WE KNOW STEPHEN MILLER’S ANTI-IMMIGRANT IDEOLOGY MILLER’S ANTI-IMMIGRANT IDEOLOGY IS IN LINE WITH THE PRESIDENT’S IS IN LINE WITH THE PRESIDENT’S VIEWS. VIEWS. A LOT OF THEM HAVE MADE MAJOR A LOT OF THEM HAVE MADE MAJOR HEADLINES AND CAUSED HUGE HEADLINES AND CAUSED HUGE BACKLASH, TALKING THE MUSLIM BACKLASH, TALKING THE MUSLIM BAN, CHILD SEPARATION POLICY, BAN, CHILD SEPARATION POLICY, BUT YOU NOTE IN YOUR PIECE THAT BUT YOU NOTE IN YOUR PIECE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF POLICIES THERE ARE A NUMBER OF POLICIES NOT JUST IDEOLOGIES BUT POLICIES NOT JUST IDEOLOGIES BUT POLICIES THAT HAVEN’T GOENT THE SAME THAT HAVEN’T GOENT THE SAME ATTENTION BUT MAYBE THEY SHOULD. ATTENTION BUT MAYBE THEY SHOULD. WALK US THROUGH WHAT THEY ARE. WALK US THROUGH WHAT THEY ARE.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS INSTINCTS. INSTINCTS. I THINK STEPHEN MILLER HAS I THINK STEPHEN MILLER HAS POLICY KNOWLEDGE AND HAS AN POLICY KNOWLEDGE AND HAS AN ABILITY TO OPERATIONALIZE AS ONE ABILITY TO OPERATIONALIZE AS ONE OF HIS ALLIES PUT IT THE OF HIS ALLIES PUT IT THE PRESIDENT’S PHILOSOPHY. PRESIDENT’S PHILOSOPHY. STEPHEN MILLER KNOWS THE HUNDRED STEPHEN MILLER KNOWS THE HUNDRED RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT CAN RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT CAN SLOW DOWN THE APPLICATION FOR SLOW DOWN THE APPLICATION FOR VISAS THAT CAN MAKE IT HARDER VISAS THAT CAN MAKE IT HARDER FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE A LEGAL FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO BE IN THE COUNTRY TO RIGHT TO BE IN THE COUNTRY TO GET THEIR PAPERS THROUGH AND GET THEIR PAPERS THROUGH AND HE’S DONE THAT VERY HE’S DONE THAT VERY SUCCESSFULLY, QUITE OUT OF THE SUCCESSFULLY, QUITE OUT OF THE PUBLIC EYE. PUBLIC EYE.>>SO HE IS QUIETLY SLOW PLAYING>>SO HE IS QUIETLY SLOW PLAYING THESE MEASURES THAT ARE LEGAL THESE MEASURES THAT ARE LEGAL MEASURES FOR PEOPLE TO GAIN — MEASURES FOR PEOPLE TO GAIN –>>CRITICS CALL IT THE INVISIBLE>>CRITICS CALL IT THE INVISIBLE WALL. WALL.>>CONGRESSWOMAN, WHAT DO YOU DO>>CONGRESSWOMAN, WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THAT? ABOUT THAT? WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU ARE WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU ARE PUBLICLY FIGHTING A PRESIDENT PUBLICLY FIGHTING A PRESIDENT GETTING FUNDING FOR A WALL GETTING FUNDING FOR A WALL BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND MEXICO AND BEING SUCCESSFUL? MEXICO AND BEING SUCCESSFUL? WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THE WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THE INVISIBLE WALL? INVISIBLE WALL?>>WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE IS>>WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE IS COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM. REFORM. WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR IMMIGRATION WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR IMMIGRATION POLICIES, THERE ARE MANY POLICIES, THERE ARE MANY IMMIGRATION POLICIES THAT I IMMIGRATION POLICIES THAT I THINK ARE IMMORAL LIKE CHILD THINK ARE IMMORAL LIKE CHILD SEPARATION. SEPARATION. THERE’S ALSO THE IMMIGRATION THERE’S ALSO THE IMMIGRATION POLICIES THAT ARE JUST HURTING POLICIES THAT ARE JUST HURTING OUR ECONOMY. OUR ECONOMY. AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE REVERBERATING THROUGHOUT REVERBERATING THROUGHOUT AGRICULTURE, THROUGHOUT OUR AGRICULTURE, THROUGHOUT OUR SEASONAL WORKER PROGRAMS, EVEN SEASONAL WORKER PROGRAMS, EVEN INTO SOME OF OUR COLLEGES AND INTO SOME OF OUR COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES WHICH ARE THE BEST UNIVERSITIES WHICH ARE THE BEST IN THE WORLD NOW HAVING TROUBLE IN THE WORLD NOW HAVING TROUBLE RECRUITING SOME OF THE TOP MINDS RECRUITING SOME OF THE TOP MINDS IN THE GLOBE. IN THE GLOBE. THESE ARE REALLY GOING TO IMPACT THESE ARE REALLY GOING TO IMPACT OUR ABILITY TO GROW OUR ECONOMY OUR ABILITY TO GROW OUR ECONOMY IN THE FUTURE. IN THE FUTURE.>>REMIND OUR AUDIENCE, ILLEGAL>>REMIND OUR AUDIENCE, ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSINGS WERE AT A BORDER CROSSINGS WERE AT A 50-YEAR LOW WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA 50-YEAR LOW WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA LEFT OFFICE. LEFT OFFICE. IN TERMS OF COMPREHENSIVE

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OF COURSE, LINKEDIN. THANKS FOR WATCHING. THANKS FOR WATCHING. “DEADLINE:WHITE HOUSE” WITH “DEADLINE:WHITE HOUSE” WITH NICOLLE WALLACE STARTS NOW. NICOLLE WALLACE STARTS NOW.>>>HI, EVERYONE.>>>HI, EVERYONE. IT’S 4:00 IN NEW YORK. IT’S 4:00 IN NEW YORK. THE QUESTION, HOW FAR WILL THE QUESTION, HOW FAR WILL DONALD TRUMP GO TO KEEP HIS DONALD TRUMP GO TO KEEP HIS FINANCES HIDDEN? FINANCES HIDDEN? THE ANSWER MAY LIE IN A NEW THE ANSWER MAY LIE IN A NEW LAWSUIT DONALD TRUMP AND HIS LAWSUIT DONALD TRUMP AND HIS KIDS, IVANKA, DON JR. AND ERIC KIDS, IVANKA, DON JR. AND ERIC FILED AGAINST BANKS SUBPOENAED FILED AGAINST BANKS SUBPOENAED BY CONGRESS, DEUTSCHE BANK AND BY CONGRESS, DEUTSCHE BANK AND CAPITAL ONE. CAPITAL ONE. THE LAWSUIT IS DESIGNED TO BLOCK THE LAWSUIT IS DESIGNED TO BLOCK THOSE BANKS FROM RESPONDING IN THOSE BANKS FROM RESPONDING IN ANY WAY TO THE CONGRESSIONAL ANY WAY TO THE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE SEEKING INFORMATION COMMITTEE SEEKING INFORMATION ABOUT TRUMP’S FINANCES. ABOUT TRUMP’S FINANCES. “NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTING, “NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTING, QUOTE, IN THIS SUIT FILED IN QUOTE, IN THIS SUIT FILED IN FEDERAL COURT IN MANHATTAN, THE FEDERAL COURT IN MANHATTAN, THE PRESIDENT AND HIS FAMILY MEMBERS PRESIDENT AND HIS FAMILY MEMBERS ARGUE THE DEMOCRATIC HOUSE ARGUE THE DEMOCRATIC HOUSE COMMITTEE LEADERS WHO ISSUED COMMITTEE LEADERS WHO ISSUED SUBPOENAS ENGAGED IN A BROAD SUBPOENAS ENGAGED IN A BROAD OVERREACH. OVERREACH. REPRESENTATIVE MAXINE WATERS, REPRESENTATIVE MAXINE WATERS, THE CHAIR OF THE FINANCIAL THE CHAIR OF THE FINANCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE AND ADAM SERVICES COMMITTEE AND ADAM SCHIFF, CHAIR OF THE INTEL SCHIFF, CHAIR OF THE INTEL COMMITTEE ISSUED A JOINT COMMITTEE ISSUED A JOINT STATEMENT ACCUSING THE PRESIDENT STATEMENT ACCUSING THE PRESIDENT OF OBSTRUCTING LAWMAKER’S OF OBSTRUCTING LAWMAKER’S CONSTITUTIONAL OVERSIGHT CONSTITUTIONAL OVERSIGHT AUTHORITY AND ADDED, “AS A AUTHORITY AND ADDED, “AS A PRIVATE BUSINESSMAN, TRUMP PRIVATE BUSINESSMAN, TRUMP ROUTINELY USED HIS WELL-KNOWN ROUTINELY USED HIS WELL-KNOWN LITTIDGE INLG LITTIDGE INLG LITTIDGEOUSNESS. LITTIDGEOUSNESS. OUR FRIEND FROM BLOOMBERG ADDS OUR FRIEND FROM BLOOMBERG ADDS THIS, QUOTE, WELCOME TO THE THIS, QUOTE, WELCOME TO THE FIRST SALVOS OF THE POST MUELLER FIRST SALVOS OF THE POST MUELLER BATTLE BETWEEN THE WHITE HOUSE BATTLE BETWEEN THE WHITE HOUSE AND CONGRESS OVER SEPARATION OF AND CONGRESS OVER SEPARATION OF POWERS, EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY AND POWERS, EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY AND PANDORA’S BOX OF THORNY, PANDORA’S BOX OF THORNY, TROUBLING PROBLEMS STEMMING FROM TROUBLING PROBLEMS STEMMING FROM THE FACT THAT TRUMP IS THE MOST THE FACT THAT TRUMP IS THE MOST FINANCIALLY CONFLICTED PRESIDENT FINANCIALLY CONFLICTED PRESIDENT OF THE MODERN ERA. OF THE MODERN ERA. THIS LATEST STANDOFF, COMBINED THIS LATEST STANDOFF, COMBINED WITH THE OBSTRUCTION CASE LAID WITH THE OBSTRUCTION CASE LAID OUT IN THE MUELLER REPORT, OUT IN THE MUELLER REPORT, LEAVING A DEMOCRATIC LEAVING A DEMOCRATIC FRONT-RUNNER, JOE BIDEN, TO SAY FRONT-RUNNER, JOE BIDEN, TO SAY TODAY TRUMP’S IMPEACHMENT MAY TODAY TRUMP’S IMPEACHMENT MAY BECOME THE ONLY CHOICE FOR BECOME THE ONLY CHOICE FOR DEMOCRATS WHO ARE DEMOCRATS WHO ARE CONSTITUTIONALLY BOUND TO CONSTITUTIONALLY BOUND TO PROVIDE OVERSIGHT. PROVIDE OVERSIGHT.>>THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF THE>>THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF THE REPORT, SEVEN OR EIGHT THINGS REPORT, SEVEN OR EIGHT THINGS LEFT UNDONE, NOT WITHIN HIS LEFT UNDONE, NOT WITHIN HIS PURVIEW TO INVESTIGATE. PURVIEW TO INVESTIGATE. THE CONGRESS IS ATTEMPTING TO THE CONGRESS IS ATTEMPTING TO TAKE THAT UP. TAKE THAT UP. WHAT THE CONGRESS IS DOING AND WHAT THE CONGRESS IS DOING AND ARE DOING IS INVESTIGATE THAT. ARE DOING IS INVESTIGATE THAT. IF, IN FACT THEY BLOCK THE IF, IN FACT THEY BLOCK THE INVESTIGATION, THEY HAVE NO INVESTIGATION, THEY HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE TO GO TO ONLY OTHER ALTERNATIVE TO GO TO ONLY OTHER RESORT THEY HAVE, IMPEACHMENT. RESORT THEY HAVE, IMPEACHMENT.>>THAT IS WHERE WE START TODAY>>THAT IS WHERE WE START TODAY WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. ASHLEY PARKER, WHITE HOUSE ASHLEY PARKER, WHITE HOUSE REPORTER FOR “THE WASHINGTON REPORTER FOR “THE WASHINGTON POST.” POST.” THE FORMER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR THE FORMER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE AT THE FOR COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE AT THE FBI FRANK IF YOU GO, EXECUTIVE E FBI FRANK IF YOU GO, EXECUTIVE E BEDROOMBERG OPINION, ALREADY BEDROOMBERG OPINION, ALREADY QUOTED, TIM O’BRIEN IS HERE. QUOTED, TIM O’BRIEN IS HERE. LET ME START WITH YOU, TIM. LET ME START WITH YOU, TIM. YOU’VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE MONEY YOU’VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE MONEY WHEN IT COMES TO TRUMP FOR A WHEN IT COMES TO TRUMP FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. REALLY LONG TIME. WHERE DOES IT LEAD? WHERE DOES IT LEAD?>>IT LEADS TO HIS WALLET.>>IT LEADS TO HIS WALLET. BUT ALSO TO WHETHER HE’S BUT ALSO TO WHETHER HE’S FINANCIALLY CONFLICTED OR FINANCIALLY CONFLICTED OR COMPROMISED. COMPROMISED. MUELLER FOCUSED ON IT BUT DIDN’T MUELLER FOCUSED ON IT BUT DIDN’T FOCUS IN-DEPTH. FOCUS IN-DEPTH. HE MADE A STRATEGIC DECISION TO HE MADE A STRATEGIC DECISION TO LET OTHER PROSECUTORS OR LET OTHER PROSECUTORS OR INVESTIGATORS OR CONGRESS TAKE A INVESTIGATORS OR CONGRESS TAKE A DEEPER LOOK AT THAT. DEEPER LOOK AT THAT. IT CAME UP IN THE MUELLER REPORT IT CAME UP IN THE MUELLER REPORT AROUND TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW AROUND TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW PROJECT. PROJECT. THE REASON THAT WAS AN ISSUE IS THE REASON THAT WAS AN ISSUE IS BECAUSE PRESIDENT TRUMP, ONE, BECAUSE PRESIDENT TRUMP, ONE, LIED ABOUT ITS EXISTENCE. LIED ABOUT ITS EXISTENCE. HE LIED ABOUT DEPTH OF HIS HE LIED ABOUT DEPTH OF HIS INVOLVEMENT WITH IT. INVOLVEMENT WITH IT. I THINK THE REASON HE DID WAS I THINK THE REASON HE DID WAS BECAUSE IT RAISES AN ISSUE OF BECAUSE IT RAISES AN ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT DURING THE WHETHER OR NOT DURING THE ELECTION AND HIS CAMPAIGN AND ELECTION AND HIS CAMPAIGN AND THE TRANSITION HE HAD MONEY AT THE TRANSITION HE HAD MONEY AT STAKE IN MOSCOW AND PUBLIC STAKE IN MOSCOW AND PUBLIC POLICY DECISIONS CONTEMPLATING POLICY DECISIONS CONTEMPLATING OR POSSIBLY ENACTING WHICH OR POSSIBLY ENACTING WHICH BECAME A MORE FULSOME ISSUE. BECAME A MORE FULSOME ISSUE. NOT JUST TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW. NOT JUST TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW. TRUMP HAS DECADES OF LINKS WITH TRUMP HAS DECADES OF LINKS WITH ORGANIZED CRIME AND VERY MURKY ORGANIZED CRIME AND VERY MURKY SOURCES OF FUNDING THAT RAISE SOURCES OF FUNDING THAT RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER ANYONE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER ANYONE HAS A TETHER ON HIM. HAS A TETHER ON HIM. THAT HASN’T FULLY BEEN ANSWERED. THAT HASN’T FULLY BEEN ANSWERED. MUELLER CHOSE NOT TO DIG INTO MUELLER CHOSE NOT TO DIG INTO THAT. THAT. WE HAVE SEVERAL COMMITTEES IN WE HAVE SEVERAL COMMITTEES IN CONGRESS LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE, CONGRESS LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE, THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL AND SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW AND SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. YORK. I THINK WHAT UNITES THIS I THINK WHAT UNITES THIS SHOULDN’T BE A PARTISAN OR SHOULDN’T BE A PARTISAN OR IDEOLOGICAL ISSUE. IDEOLOGICAL ISSUE. IT’S ABOUT GOOD GOVERNMENT. IT’S ABOUT GOOD GOVERNMENT. IT’S ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AT THE IT’S ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AT THE CO-LEADERSHIP AND GOOD PUBLIC CO-LEADERSHIP AND GOOD PUBLIC POLICYMAKING NOT CORRUPTED BY POLICYMAKING NOT CORRUPTED BY GREED OR SELF-INTEREST. GREED OR SELF-INTEREST.>>YOU’VE BEEN SUED BY TRUMP.>>YOU’VE BEEN SUED BY TRUMP. I IMAGINE YOU’RE NOT SURPRISED I IMAGINE YOU’RE NOT SURPRISED THAT HE TOOK THIS ROUTE AS A THAT HE TOOK THIS ROUTE AS A SITTING PRESIDENT OF ROPING HIS SITTING PRESIDENT OF ROPING HIS KIDS IN, SURPRISE SURPRISE, AND KIDS IN, SURPRISE SURPRISE, AND SUING THE BANKS SO THEY CAN’T SUING THE BANKS SO THEY CAN’T COMPLY. COMPLY.>>ALSO IRONICALLY ONE OF THE>>ALSO IRONICALLY ONE OF THE PLAINTIFFS IN THIS CASE IS THE PLAINTIFFS IN THIS CASE IS THE TRUST HE SET UP TO OSTENSIBLY TRUST HE SET UP TO OSTENSIBLY KEEP HIM FROM CONFLICTS OF KEEP HIM FROM CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. INTEREST. THAT ENTITY IS SUING ABOUT THAT ENTITY IS SUING ABOUT DISCLOSURES. DISCLOSURES. TRUMP HAS BEEN DOING THIS SINCE TRUMP HAS BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 1973. 1973. ROY CONE TAUGHT HIM HOW TO ROY CONE TAUGHT HIM HOW TO WEAPON SIZE THE LEGAL SYSTEM. WEAPON SIZE THE LEGAL SYSTEM. AFTER RACIAL DISCRIMINATION IN AFTER RACIAL DISCRIMINATION IN HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IN THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IN THE OUTER BOROUGHS OF NEW YORK. OUTER BOROUGHS OF NEW YORK. TYPICALLY MOST OF THOSE TYPICALLY MOST OF THOSE DEVELOPERS WHEN THE FEDERAL DEVELOPERS WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAME AFTER THEM, THEY GOVERNMENT CAME AFTER THEM, THEY PAID THEIR FINE AND SHUT UP AND PAID THEIR FINE AND SHUT UP AND MOVED ON. MOVED ON. THEY SUED THE JUSTICE THEY SUED THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, COUNTER-SUED, SAYING DEPARTMENT, COUNTER-SUED, SAYING IT WAS A BOGUS SUIT. IT WAS A BOGUS SUIT. DESPITE EVIDENCE THEY WERE DESPITE EVIDENCE THEY WERE DISCRIMINATING, ET CETERA, ET DISCRIMINATING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. CETERA. I THINK A LIGHT BULB WENT ON IN I THINK A LIGHT BULB WENT ON IN HIS HEAD THAT YEAR, 1973, DONALD HIS HEAD THAT YEAR, 1973, DONALD TRUMP IS 27 YEARS OLD. TRUMP IS 27 YEARS OLD. HE REALIZES IF YOU DON’T REALLY HE REALIZES IF YOU DON’T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT IN CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH YOU SAY THINGS, CIVILITY WHICH YOU SAY THINGS, CIVILITY OR THE LAW YOU CAN WAGE WAR ANY OR THE LAW YOU CAN WAGE WAR ANY TIME YOU FEEL LIKE IT. TIME YOU FEEL LIKE IT.>>A LIGHT BULB WENT OFF, NOT>>A LIGHT BULB WENT OFF, NOT CLEAR IF IT’S LIT. CLEAR IF IT’S LIT. FRANKIE FIGLIUZZI, I HAVE A FRANKIE FIGLIUZZI, I HAVE A 7-YEAR-OLD, DON’T LOOK HERE, 7-YEAR-OLD, DON’T LOOK HERE, DON’T LOOK HERE. DON’T LOOK HERE. I’M GOING TO DO EVERYTHING BUT I’M GOING TO DO EVERYTHING BUT DON’T LOOK HERE. DON’T LOOK HERE. THE FIRST THING I DO WHEN I THE FIRST THING I DO WHEN I LEAVE THE ROOM IS LOOK WHERE HE LEAVE THE ROOM IS LOOK WHERE HE TELLS ME NOT TO LOOKEN A HE’S TELLS ME NOT TO LOOKEN A HE’S BUSTED. BUSTED. DONALD TRUMP TAKING THIS STEP AS DONALD TRUMP TAKING THIS STEP AS PRESIDENT, DON’T LOOK HERE, PRESIDENT, DON’T LOOK HERE, DON’T LOOK HERE, DEUTSCHE BANK DON’T LOOK HERE, DEUTSCHE BANK AND CAPITAL ONE, DEUTSCHE BANK A AND CAPITAL ONE, DEUTSCHE BANK A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ROLE LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ROLE THEY PLAYED IN FINANCING HIS THEY PLAYED IN FINANCING HIS GOLF COURSES AND BUSINESSES. GOLF COURSES AND BUSINESSES. CAPITAL ONE, I BELIEVE THAT’S CAPITAL ONE, I BELIEVE THAT’S THE CHECKING ACCOUNT ON WHICH HE THE CHECKING ACCOUNT ON WHICH HE WROTE THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS WROTE THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS WHERE HE IS IMPLICATED AS WHERE HE IS IMPLICATED AS UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR ILLEGAL HUSH MONEY. ILLEGAL HUSH MONEY. IT WOULD SEEM IMPORTANT BY LMPLT IT WOULD SEEM IMPORTANT BY LMPLT OR CONGRESS TO HAVE ACCESS TO OR CONGRESS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE BANK RECORDS, NO? THOSE BANK RECORDS, NO?>>SOMEONE WHO HAS NOTHING TO>>SOMEONE WHO HAS NOTHING TO HIDE DOESN’T WANT TO SIT IN THE HIDE DOESN’T WANT TO SIT IN THE DARK. DARK. THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO STAY THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO STAY IN THE DARK AND KEEP US IN THE IN THE DARK AND KEEP US IN THE DARK. DARK. WHAT I’M SEEING, NICOLLE, IS A WHAT I’M SEEING, NICOLLE, IS A LINK BETWEEN CORRUPTION AND LINK BETWEEN CORRUPTION AND COMPROMISE. COMPROMISE. HE’S COMPROMISED BY HIS OWN HE’S COMPROMISED BY HIS OWN CORRUPTION. CORRUPTION. HE DOESN’T WANT THIS TO GET OUT. HE DOESN’T WANT THIS TO GET OUT. BY THE WAY, I SEE THE LINK TO BY THE WAY, I SEE THE LINK TO COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATION THAT STARTED THIS INVESTIGATION THAT STARTED THIS WHOLE THING. WHOLE THING. IF YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT COMPROMISE AND FINANCES, A COMPROMISE AND FINANCES, A PORTION OF THAT MAY LIKELY HAVE PORTION OF THAT MAY LIKELY HAVE BEEN RESERVED TORE THE BEEN RESERVED TORE THE COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATORS AT THE FBI. INVESTIGATORS AT THE FBI. BECAUSE IT’S CLEARLY NOT BECAUSE IT’S CLEARLY NOT ADDRESSED IN THE MUELLER CASE. ADDRESSED IN THE MUELLER CASE. MORE EVIDENCE THAT THERE’S A MORE EVIDENCE THAT THERE’S A COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE COMPROMISE COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE COMPROMISE ANGLE HERE, NICOLLE, IS THAT ANGLE HERE, NICOLLE, IS THAT IT’S BEEN REPORTED TODAY THAT IT’S BEEN REPORTED TODAY THAT ADAM SCHIFF AND THE HOUSE ADAM SCHIFF AND THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HAVE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HAVE HIRED THE FORMER CHIEF OF THE HIRED THE FORMER CHIEF OF THE FINANCIAL CRIME SECTION FOR THE FINANCIAL CRIME SECTION FOR THE FBI. FBI. THAT’S A MAJOR ACQUISITION AND THAT’S A MAJOR ACQUISITION AND TELLS ME THAT IT’S THE TELLS ME THAT IT’S THE INTELLIGENCE FOLKS ON THE HILL INTELLIGENCE FOLKS ON THE HILL THAT ARE LOOKING AT THE THAT ARE LOOKING AT THE FINANCES. FINANCES. WE NEED TO WATCH THAT CLOSELY. WE NEED TO WATCH THAT CLOSELY.>>YOU KNOW WHAT, FRANK, LET ME>>YOU KNOW WHAT, FRANK, LET ME STAY WITH YOU. STAY WITH YOU. LET’S DIG IN ON THIS A LITTLE LET’S DIG IN ON THIS A LITTLE BIT. BIT. WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND THE CONDUCT CIRCUMSTANCES AND THE CONDUCT THAT DONALD TRUMP ENGAGED IN THAT DONALD TRUMP ENGAGED IN THAT LED THEN ACTING FBI THAT LED THEN ACTING FBI DIRECTOR ANDY McCABE TO OPEN DIRECTOR ANDY McCABE TO OPEN FULL FIELD INVESTIGATION, FULL FIELD INVESTIGATION, COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATION INTO THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. YOU AND TIM ARE BOTH RIGHT. YOU AND TIM ARE BOTH RIGHT. THAT WAS NOT THE INVESTIGATIVE THAT WAS NOT THE INVESTIGATIVE THREAD THAT WE KNOW OF THAT THREAD THAT WE KNOW OF THAT MUELLER PURSUED, BUT IT WAS MUELLER PURSUED, BUT IT WAS BEHAVIOR LIKE THE LIFTING OF BEHAVIOR LIKE THE LIFTING OF SANCTIONS THAT MIKE FLYNN SANCTIONS THAT MIKE FLYNN PLEADED GUILTY TO LYING ABOUT PLEADED GUILTY TO LYING ABOUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS. THOSE CONVERSATIONS. THE MUELLER REPORT IS OUT. THE MUELLER REPORT IS OUT. WE STILL DON’T KNOW WHY THAT WE STILL DON’T KNOW WHY THAT HAPPENED, THE BACK CHANNEL. HAPPENED, THE BACK CHANNEL. THE FIRST SECTION OF THE MUELLER THE FIRST SECTION OF THE MUELLER REPORT THAT JARED KUSHNER WANTED REPORT THAT JARED KUSHNER WANTED TO SET UP WITH THE RUSSIANS IN TO SET UP WITH THE RUSSIANS IN THE TRANSITION, WE STILL DON’T THE TRANSITION, WE STILL DON’T HAVE THE ANSWER AS TO WHY THAT HAVE THE ANSWER AS TO WHY THAT CHANNEL NEEDED TO BE OPEN. CHANNEL NEEDED TO BE OPEN. AND DONALD TRUMP’S BIZARRE AND DONALD TRUMP’S BIZARRE CONDUCT. CONDUCT. HIS FLATTERY OF VLADIMIR PUTIN. HIS FLATTERY OF VLADIMIR PUTIN. HIS PRACTICE OF RIPPING UP NOTES HIS PRACTICE OF RIPPING UP NOTES FROM THE MEETINGS WITH VLADIMIR FROM THE MEETINGS WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN. PUTIN. HIS INSISTENCE ON MEETING ALONE HIS INSISTENCE ON MEETING ALONE WITH JUST A RUSSIAN INTERPRETER, WITH JUST A RUSSIAN INTERPRETER, NOT EVEN AN AMERICAN INTERPRETER NOT EVEN AN AMERICAN INTERPRETER WHEN HE MET WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN WHEN HE MET WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN ON THE SIDELINES OF NATO. ON THE SIDELINES OF NATO. THOSE ARE STILL KNOWN UNKNOWNS THOSE ARE STILL KNOWN UNKNOWNS IN TERMS OF DONALD TRUMP’S IN TERMS OF DONALD TRUMP’S CONTACTS WITH THE RUSSIANS. CONTACTS WITH THE RUSSIANS. DO YOU THINK THOSE ARE ACTIVE DO YOU THINK THOSE ARE ACTIVE LINES OF INVESTIGATION IN LINES OF INVESTIGATION IN WHATEVER REMAINS IN THAT WHATEVER REMAINS IN THAT COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE PROBE AND COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE PROBE AND IN WHAT CONGRESSMAN SCHIFF WANTS IN WHAT CONGRESSMAN SCHIFF WANTS TO DO WITH THE INTEL COMMITTEE? TO DO WITH THE INTEL COMMITTEE?>>I DO, INDEED.>>I DO, INDEED. ALL THE SMOKE IS THERE BUT WE ALL THE SMOKE IS THERE BUT WE CAN’T FIND THE SOURCE OF THE CAN’T FIND THE SOURCE OF THE FIRE. FIRE. I THINK THE SOURCE OF THE FIRE I THINK THE SOURCE OF THE FIRE IS INVESTIGATED STILL BY IS INVESTIGATED STILL BY COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE DIVISION. COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE DIVISION. AND WITH THE HIRE ANNOUNCED AND WITH THE HIRE ANNOUNCED TODAY, FORMER FINANCIAL CRIMES TODAY, FORMER FINANCIAL CRIMES SECTION CHIEF, SCHIFF AND HIS SECTION CHIEF, SCHIFF AND HIS TEAM, I HAVE TO WONDER WHETHER, TEAM, I HAVE TO WONDER WHETHER, INDEED, THERE’S BEEN A SHARING INDEED, THERE’S BEEN A SHARING OF INFORMATION FROM THE FBI’S OF INFORMATION FROM THE FBI’S COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE DIVISION COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE DIVISION WITH THEIR OVERSEERS ON SCHIFF’S WITH THEIR OVERSEERS ON SCHIFF’S HOUSE AND SENATE INTELLIGENCE HOUSE AND SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES AND WHETHER THAT’S COMMITTEES AND WHETHER THAT’S HELPING SHAPE THE DIRECTION HELPING SHAPE THE DIRECTION THOSE COMMITTEES WILL GO IN. THOSE COMMITTEES WILL GO IN. THAT’S LIKELY TO HAVE HAPPENED. THAT’S LIKELY TO HAVE HAPPENED. THAT’S THE NORM FOR THE THAT’S THE NORM FOR THE COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE DIVISION TO COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE DIVISION TO BRIEF THE HILL ON SIGNIFICANT BRIEF THE HILL ON SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENTS IN CI CASES. DEVELOPMENTS IN CI CASES. I THINK THAT A PARTNERSHIP MAY I THINK THAT A PARTNERSHIP MAY BE DEVELOPING THERE. BE DEVELOPING THERE.>>WHAT WOULD — FRANK HAS NOW>>WHAT WOULD — FRANK HAS NOW MENTIONED TWICE THIS HIRE. MENTIONED TWICE THIS HIRE. IT DOES SEEM SIGNIFICANT. IT DOES SEEM SIGNIFICANT. HELP US UNDERSTAND AS A FORMER HELP US UNDERSTAND AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR WHAT THAT PERSON’S PROSECUTOR WHAT THAT PERSON’S SKILL SET IS AND WHAT THAT ADDS SKILL SET IS AND WHAT THAT ADDS TO THE COMMITTEE. TO THE COMMITTEE.>>WHAT YOU’RE LOOKING FOR ON A>>WHAT YOU’RE LOOKING FOR ON A COMMITTEE IS SOMEONE WHO WORKED COMMITTEE IS SOMEONE WHO WORKED IN THE FIELD. IN THE FIELD. WHETHER IT’S HAVING PROSECUTORS WHETHER IT’S HAVING PROSECUTORS TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND OR FORMER TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND OR FORMER PROSECUTORS TO HELP YOU PROSECUTORS TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND LEGAL THEORIES,S UNDERSTAND LEGAL THEORIES,S WHETHER IT’S PEOPLE THAT WORKED WHETHER IT’S PEOPLE THAT WORKED IN THE FBI THAT ACTUALLY IN THE FBI THAT ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NATURE OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NATURE OF THE THREAT IS, WHO THE ACTORS THE THREAT IS, WHO THE ACTORS ARE THAT ARE TRYING TO THREATEN ARE THAT ARE TRYING TO THREATEN US, AND WHERE OUR US, AND WHERE OUR VULNERABILITIES ARE. VULNERABILITIES ARE. SO I THINK THAT’S REALLY THE SO I THINK THAT’S REALLY THE SKILL SET THAT SOMEBODY LIKE SKILL SET THAT SOMEBODY LIKE THAT WOULD BRING TO THE THAT WOULD BRING TO THE COMMITTEE. COMMITTEE.>>SO ASHLEY, I SAW YOU ON THE>>SO ASHLEY, I SAW YOU ON THE 11, I’M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND 11, I’M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT’S IN TRUMP’S HEAD, WHETHER WHAT’S IN TRUMP’S HEAD, WHETHER HE’S DOING A KABUKI DANCE, HE’S DOING A KABUKI DANCE, WHETHER CLINTON HAD AN APPROVAL WHETHER CLINTON HAD AN APPROVAL RATING WHEN HE WAS IMPEACHED, GO RATING WHEN HE WAS IMPEACHED, GO FOR IT. FOR IT. OR A RED LINE HE DESCRIBES IN OR A RED LINE HE DESCRIBES IN PRESS INTERVIEWS AROUND PRESS INTERVIEWS AROUND FINANCES. FINANCES. WHAT’S YOUR SENSE ABOUT TRUMP’S WHAT’S YOUR SENSE ABOUT TRUMP’S STATE OF MIND AND THESE TACTICS, STATE OF MIND AND THESE TACTICS, THESE EXTRAORDINARY LEGAL THESE EXTRAORDINARY LEGAL MEASURES TO KEEP HIS FINANCES, MEASURES TO KEEP HIS FINANCES, HIS BANK RECORDS SECRET. HIS BANK RECORDS SECRET.>>THE ANSWER IS BOTH.>>THE ANSWER IS BOTH. THE VIN DIAGRAM THAT OVERLAPS THE VIN DIAGRAM THAT OVERLAPS AND WORK OUT FOR THE PRESIDENT. AND WORK OUT FOR THE PRESIDENT. HE HAS LONG SAID AND BELIEVED HE HAS LONG SAID AND BELIEVED IMPEACHMENT IS A POLITICAL IMPEACHMENT IS A POLITICAL WINNER FOR HIM. WINNER FOR HIM. IT’S A HEADACHE BUT BELIEVES IT’S A HEADACHE BUT BELIEVES IT’S A WINNER. IT’S A WINNER. IT FORCES THE DEMOCRATS INTO A IT FORCES THE DEMOCRATS INTO A BOX ALREADY. BOX ALREADY. YOU’RE SEEING LEADER PELOSI YOU’RE SEEING LEADER PELOSI HAVING TROUBLE WITH HER CAUCUS, HAVING TROUBLE WITH HER CAUCUS, SOME ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THEY SOME ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THEY SHOULD MOVE ON ON IMPEACHMENT SHOULD MOVE ON ON IMPEACHMENT AND OTHERS SHOULDN’T, SMOO MOVE AND OTHERS SHOULDN’T, SMOO MOVE INTO LEGISLATING. INTO LEGISLATING. IN 2020 IF HE CAN PAINT THE IN 2020 IF HE CAN PAINT THE DEMOCRATS AS OVERZEALOUS, THAT DEMOCRATS AS OVERZEALOUS, THAT WILL BE A HUGE WIN FOR HIM. WILL BE A HUGE WIN FOR HIM. AT THE SAME TIME HE ACTUALLY AT THE SAME TIME HE ACTUALLY TRULY DOESN’T WANT THESE TRULY DOESN’T WANT THESE COMMITTEES TO LOOK INTO HIS COMMITTEES TO LOOK INTO HIS FINANCES AND LOOK INTO HIS FINANCES AND LOOK INTO HIS BUSINESSES. BUSINESSES. HE’S SAID THAT WAS A RED LINE. HE’S SAID THAT WAS A RED LINE. HE MEANS IT. HE MEANS IT. THERE’S A FEW THINGS THAT HE THERE’S A FEW THINGS THAT HE REALLY CARES ABOUT. REALLY CARES ABOUT. ONE IS HIS FINANCES AND HIS ONE IS HIS FINANCES AND HIS BUSINESSES, THE OTHER IS HIS BUSINESSES, THE OTHER IS HIS FAMILY AND HIS CHILDREN. FAMILY AND HIS CHILDREN. SO HERE HE’S TRYING TO SO HERE HE’S TRYING TO PREVENT — HE’S NOT GOING TO WAR PREVENT — HE’S NOT GOING TO WAR WITH THE DEMOCRATS SIMPLY WITH THE DEMOCRATS SIMPLY BECAUSE HE THINKS IT’S A BECAUSE HE THINKS IT’S A POLITICAL WINNER, HE’S GOING TO POLITICAL WINNER, HE’S GOING TO WAR BECAUSE HE DOES NOT WANT WAR BECAUSE HE DOES NOT WANT THESE DOCUMENTS AND FORMS TURNED THESE DOCUMENTS AND FORMS TURNED OVER. OVER. THE ADDED BENEFIT, HE FEELS THE ADDED BENEFIT, HE FEELS EMBOLDENED AFTER THE MUELLER EMBOLDENED AFTER THE MUELLER REPORT AND THINKS HE CAN STICK REPORT AND THINKS HE CAN STICK IT TO THE DEMS IN THE PROCESS. IT TO THE DEMS IN THE PROCESS.>>LET ME PUT UP PAST HEADLINES>>LET ME PUT UP PAST HEADLINES ABOUT HIS FINANCES. ABOUT HIS FINANCES. HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO WOMEN, HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO WOMEN, EXTRAORDINARY REPORTING ABOUT EXTRAORDINARY REPORTING ABOUT WHAT HE WAS DOING AND ALL THE WHAT HE WAS DOING AND ALL THE DAYS HE WROTE THOSE CHECKS TO DAYS HE WROTE THOSE CHECKS TO COVER UP ALLEGED SEXUAL COVER UP ALLEGED SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH A PORN STAR. RELATIONSHIP WITH A PORN STAR. BUSINESS DEALS WITH RUSSIA AT BUSINESS DEALS WITH RUSSIA AT TRUMP TOWER, WHICH TIM STARTED TRUMP TOWER, WHICH TIM STARTED TALKING ABOUT. TALKING ABOUT. HIS HISTORY OF LYING ABOUT THE HIS HISTORY OF LYING ABOUT THE SIZE OF HIS WORTH AND SUSPICIOUS SIZE OF HIS WORTH AND SUSPICIOUS TAX SCHEMES AS REPORTED IN A NEW TAX SCHEMES AS REPORTED IN A NEW PULITZER PRIZE WINNING ACCOUNT PULITZER PRIZE WINNING ACCOUNT IN THE “NEW YORK TIMES.” IN THE “NEW YORK TIMES.”>>YEAH.>>YEAH. YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST TALKING YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IMPEACHMENT FOR A SECOND. ABOUT IMPEACHMENT FOR A SECOND. I DO BELIEVE DONALD TRUMP IS I DO BELIEVE DONALD TRUMP IS PLAYING A GAME OF CHICKEN WITH PLAYING A GAME OF CHICKEN WITH DEMOCRATS WHEN IT COMES TO DEMOCRATS WHEN IT COMES TO IMPEACHMENT. IMPEACHMENT. I THINK HE REALLY IS. I THINK HE REALLY IS. REGARDLESS IF DEMOCRATS IMPEACH REGARDLESS IF DEMOCRATS IMPEACH HIM OR NOT, HE’S GOING TO RUN ON HIM OR NOT, HE’S GOING TO RUN ON IMPEACHMENT. IMPEACHMENT. HE’S BEEN DOING THAT FOR A YEAR. HE’S BEEN DOING THAT FOR A YEAR. I DO BELIEVE DEMOCRATS SHOULD I DO BELIEVE DEMOCRATS SHOULD CALL HIS BLUFF. CALL HIS BLUFF. THEY SHOULD HAVE DONALD TRUMP THEY SHOULD HAVE DONALD TRUMP PLAY ON THEIR TURF, NOT HIS PLAY ON THEIR TURF, NOT HIS TURF. TURF.>>WHAT’S THAT LOOK LIKE.>>WHAT’S THAT LOOK LIKE.>>I THINK EITHERIT’S STARTING>>I THINK EITHERIT’S STARTING IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS, THEY IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS, THEY HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE. HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE. WHAT THEY ARE DOING, IT’S ON HIS WHAT THEY ARE DOING, IT’S ON HIS TURF. TURF. HE’S SAYING NO TO EVERYTHING. HE’S SAYING NO TO EVERYTHING. WE’RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE. WE’RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE. IT’S ALMOST LIKE THEY ARE IT’S ALMOST LIKE THEY ARE CHASING EACH OTHER AROUND. CHASING EACH OTHER AROUND. I DO BELIEVE THEY NEED — YOU I DO BELIEVE THEY NEED — YOU KNOW WHAT HE’S DOING AS WELL, KNOW WHAT HE’S DOING AS WELL, HE’S TESTING THE GUARDRAILS OF HE’S TESTING THE GUARDRAILS OF DEMOCRACY WHICH HE DOES ALL THE DEMOCRACY WHICH HE DOES ALL THE TIME. TIME. THIS THE SPACE HE’S OPERATING THIS THE SPACE HE’S OPERATING IN. IN. THEY HAVE TO JUST STEP ON THAT THEY HAVE TO JUST STEP ON THAT AND SAY NO MORE. AND SAY NO MORE.>>SO LET ME MAKE THAT TURN WITH>>SO LET ME MAKE THAT TURN WITH YOU. YOU. THESE ARE THE DEMOCRATS, THE THESE ARE THE DEMOCRATS, THE 2020 CANDIDATES, JOE BIDEN, THE 2020 CANDIDATES, JOE BIDEN, THE FRONT-RUNNER, KAMALA HARRIS, FRONT-RUNNER, KAMALA HARRIS, ELIZABETH WARREN, JULIAN CASTRO ELIZABETH WARREN, JULIAN CASTRO ALL CALLED FOR THE COMMENCEMENT ALL CALLED FOR THE COMMENCEMENT OF IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS. OF IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS. I BELIEVE MAYOR PETE BUTTIGIEG I BELIEVE MAYOR PETE BUTTIGIEG SAYS HE DESERVES TO BE IMPEACHED SAYS HE DESERVES TO BE IMPEACHED BUT NOT IN CONGRESS. BUT NOT IN CONGRESS. DO YOU THINK THOSE ARE SOME OF DO YOU THINK THOSE ARE SOME OF THE FORCES WITHIN THIS THE FORCES WITHIN THIS DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY? DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY? DO YOU THINK THE REST WILL DO YOU THINK THE REST WILL FOLLOW SUIT? FOLLOW SUIT?>>I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO>>I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO. HAVE TO. WHAT WE’RE SEEING WITH DONALD WHAT WE’RE SEEING WITH DONALD TRUMP ALMOST EVERY DAY, RIGHT, TRUMP ALMOST EVERY DAY, RIGHT, EVERY DAY WE’RE HEARING WHAT EVERY DAY WE’RE HEARING WHAT HE’S STOPPING, WHAT HE’S NOT HE’S STOPPING, WHAT HE’S NOT GOING TO DO, THE SUBPOENAS HE’S GOING TO DO, THE SUBPOENAS HE’S NOT GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO. NOT GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO. THE PEOPLE HE’S NOT GOING TO THE PEOPLE HE’S NOT GOING TO ALLOW TO SPEAK TO CONGRESS. ALLOW TO SPEAK TO CONGRESS. IT’S ALMOST AS IF HE’S FORCING IT’S ALMOST AS IF HE’S FORCING THE HAND OF NANCY PELOSI. THE HAND OF NANCY PELOSI. IF THAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN, I IF THAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN, I THINK DEMOCRATS IN PARTICULAR IN THINK DEMOCRATS IN PARTICULAR IN THE HOUSE ARE GOING TO BE IN THE THE HOUSE ARE GOING TO BE IN THE PLACE WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO PLACE WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT. HAVE TO DO IT. THAT’S WHY I THINK IT’S THIS THAT’S WHY I THINK IT’S THIS WEIRD GAME OF CHICKEN. WEIRD GAME OF CHICKEN. HE’S ALMOST DARING THEM TO DO HE’S ALMOST DARING THEM TO DO IT. IT. SO DON’T PLAY ON HIS TURF, JUST SO DON’T PLAY ON HIS TURF, JUST DON’T DO IT. DON’T DO IT.>>I TOTALLY AGREE WITH ASHLEY’S>>I TOTALLY AGREE WITH ASHLEY’S ANALYSIS LIKE A RIGHT BRAIN, ANALYSIS LIKE A RIGHT BRAIN, LEFT BRAIN THING. LEFT BRAIN THING. THE LEFT BRAIN WANTS IT. THE LEFT BRAIN WANTS IT. IN THE ABSTRACT, YEAH, MAN, IN THE ABSTRACT, YEAH, MAN, IMPEACH ME. IMPEACH ME. THE RIGHT BRAIN IS, WHAT? THE RIGHT BRAIN IS, WHAT? WAIT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AGAIN? WAIT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AGAIN? WHAT’S THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT’S THAT LOOK LIKE? HE DOESN’T SEEM LIKE THE KIND OF HE DOESN’T SEEM LIKE THE KIND OF GUY WHO IS CONSTITUTIONALLY GUY WHO IS CONSTITUTIONALLY SUITED FOR THE INTENSITY OF AN SUITED FOR THE INTENSITY OF AN IMPEACHMENT. IMPEACHMENT.>>HE IS NOT CONSTITUTIONALLY –>>HE IS NOT CONSTITUTIONALLY –>>I DON’T MEAN THE>>I DON’T MEAN THE CONSTITUTION. CONSTITUTION.>>AS A HUMAN BEING.>>AS A HUMAN BEING.>>YES.>>YES.>>HE’S NOT CAPABLE OF>>HE’S NOT CAPABLE OF WITHSTANDING SCRUTINY OR BEING WITHSTANDING SCRUTINY OR BEING PATIENT WITH PROCESS PERIOD. PATIENT WITH PROCESS PERIOD. NONE OF THIS IS ABOUT STRATEGY. NONE OF THIS IS ABOUT STRATEGY. IT’S A MUD FIGHT WITH CONGRESS IT’S A MUD FIGHT WITH CONGRESS OVER WHAT HE BELIEVES HIS OVER WHAT HE BELIEVES HIS PREROGATIVE SHOULD BE. PREROGATIVE SHOULD BE. I’M FIRMLY WITH FRANK ON THIS I’M FIRMLY WITH FRANK ON THIS THAT THE BIG MOTIVATING FACTOR THAT THE BIG MOTIVATING FACTOR HERE IS HE WANTS TO REMAIN IN HERE IS HE WANTS TO REMAIN IN THE DARK. THE DARK. I THINK THAT’S WHY WE HAVE TO I THINK THAT’S WHY WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS PROCESS AS THINK ABOUT THIS PROCESS AS SOMETHING OTHER THAN TYPICAL SOMETHING OTHER THAN TYPICAL WASHINGTON MUD WRESTLING EVENT. WASHINGTON MUD WRESTLING EVENT. THERE ARE PRINCIPLES AT STAKE THERE ARE PRINCIPLES AT STAKE ABOUT CONGRESS’S PREROGATIVES IN ABOUT CONGRESS’S PREROGATIVES IN TERMS OF OVERSIGHT OF THE TERMS OF OVERSIGHT OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND WHAT WE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND WHAT WE THINK THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THINK THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH SHOULD BE CONSTITUTED. SHOULD BE CONSTITUTED. TRUMP IS TRAMPLING OVER CORE TRUMP IS TRAMPLING OVER CORE VALUES. VALUES. IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT REPUBLICANS IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT REPUBLICANS VERSUS DEMOCRATS, IT’S ABOUT VERSUS DEMOCRATS, IT’S ABOUT CORRUPTION. CORRUPTION. HE’S CORRUPTING EVERYONE AROUND HE’S CORRUPTING EVERYONE AROUND HIM THAT PLAYS THIS GAME WITH HIM THAT PLAYS THIS GAME WITH HIM. HIM. I THINK PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE A I THINK PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE A STANCE. STANCE.>>I GROWAGREE WITH YOU.>>I GROWAGREE WITH YOU. WE’LL GET TO THIS. WE’LL GET TO THIS. HE REMOVED ROD ROSENSTEIN WHO HE REMOVED ROD ROSENSTEIN WHO WAS THE TARGET OF THAT IRE. WAS THE TARGET OF THAT IRE.>>LOOK AT ROD ROSENSTEIN.>>LOOK AT ROD ROSENSTEIN.>>HE LEFT WITH A LOVE LETTER.>>HE LEFT WITH A LOVE LETTER. DO YOU AS A FORMER FBI OFFICIAL, DO YOU AS A FORMER FBI OFFICIAL, DO YOU THINK THAT SOMEONE LIKE DO YOU THINK THAT SOMEONE LIKE CONGRESSMAN SCHIFF, THE CONGRESSMAN SCHIFF, THE DEMOCRATS WHO SEE THE WORLD AND DEMOCRATS WHO SEE THE WORLD AND SEE THESE PRINCIPLES AS SEE THESE PRINCIPLES AS WORTHWHILE OF PROTECTING, DO YOU WORTHWHILE OF PROTECTING, DO YOU THINK THEY CAN MOVE PUBLIC THINK THEY CAN MOVE PUBLIC OPINION ALONG IN THEIR WAY? OPINION ALONG IN THEIR WAY?>>I THINK SUNSHINE IS THE BEST>>I THINK SUNSHINE IS THE BEST DISINFECTANT TO USE A CLICHE. DISINFECTANT TO USE A CLICHE. I THINK IF WE BEGIN HEARINGS AND I THINK IF WE BEGIN HEARINGS AND WE AIR OUT THE KEY WITNESSES AND WE AIR OUT THE KEY WITNESSES AND WE CAN GET THEM TO THE TABLE WE CAN GET THEM TO THE TABLE WITHOUT GOING TO THE SUPREME WITHOUT GOING TO THE SUPREME COURT EACH AND EVERY TIME, I COURT EACH AND EVERY TIME, I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL BEGIN TO SEE AND IT WILL BEGIN TO SEE AND IT WILL RESONATE WITH MANY THAT THIS IS RESONATE WITH MANY THAT THIS IS A KRUMT PRESIDENT. A KRUMT PRESIDENT. IRONICALLY IMPEACHMENT MAY BE IRONICALLY IMPEACHMENT MAY BE THE WAY NOT ONLY TO TARGET A THE WAY NOT ONLY TO TARGET A CORRUPT PRESIDENT, BUT AS IT’S CORRUPT PRESIDENT, BUT AS IT’S BEEN SAID, TO ACTUALLY ENSURE BEEN SAID, TO ACTUALLY ENSURE WE’RE NOT REDEFINING THE WE’RE NOT REDEFINING THE PRESIDENCY. PRESIDENCY. THAT’S WHAT’S HAPPENING HERE. THAT’S WHAT’S HAPPENING HERE. LIKE IT OR NOT OR UNDER IT OR LIKE IT OR NOT OR UNDER IT OR NOT, THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO NOT, THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO REDEFINE WHAT BEING PRESIDENT REDEFINE WHAT BEING PRESIDENT MEANS. MEANS. TRYING TO HAVE THREE BRANCHES OF TRYING TO HAVE THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT WHERE ONE IS MORE GOVERNMENT WHERE ONE IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE OTHER. POWERFUL THAN THE OTHER. IF THE ONLY WAY TO SAFEGUARD IF THE ONLY WAY TO SAFEGUARD THAT AND PRESERVE OUR EQUAL THAT AND PRESERVE OUR EQUAL BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT AND THE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT AND THE WAY OUR SYSTEMS OF CHECKS AND WAY OUR SYSTEMS OF CHECKS AND BALANCES WORK IS IMPEACHMENT, BALANCES WORK IS IMPEACHMENT, THAT’S MORE REASON TO GO FORWARD THAT’S MORE REASON TO GO FORWARD WITH IT. WITH IT.>>ASHLEY, I WANT TO SPEND TIME>>ASHLEY, I WANT TO SPEND TIME WITH YOU ON THIS IDEA THAT WITH YOU ON THIS IDEA THAT IMPEACHMENT IS THIS JUMP BALL. IMPEACHMENT IS THIS JUMP BALL. ROBERT MUELLER RELEASED A REPORT ROBERT MUELLER RELEASED A REPORT WHERE HE EXPLICITLY SAYS HE WHERE HE EXPLICITLY SAYS HE CANNOT SAY THE PRESIDENT DIDN’T CANNOT SAY THE PRESIDENT DIDN’T COMMIT CRIMES. COMMIT CRIMES. EVERYONE IS LIKE, I DON’T KNOW, EVERYONE IS LIKE, I DON’T KNOW, THAT’S CLOSE, SO CLOSE. THAT’S CLOSE, SO CLOSE. NOW YOU’VE GOT THE BANKS. NOW YOU’VE GOT THE BANKS. MICHAEL COHEN, NO ANGEL, MICHAEL COHEN, NO ANGEL, TESTIFIED IN AN OPEN SESSION TESTIFIED IN AN OPEN SESSION THAT HE FAKED THE BOOKS, COOKED THAT HE FAKED THE BOOKS, COOKED THE BOOKS WITH DEUTSCHE BANK TO THE BOOKS WITH DEUTSCHE BANK TO HELP THE PRESIDENT BUY A HELP THE PRESIDENT BUY A FOOTBALL TEAM THAT DIDN’T WANT FOOTBALL TEAM THAT DIDN’T WANT HIM. HIM. THE EVIDENCE — IT’S ALMOST HOW THE EVIDENCE — IT’S ALMOST HOW HE GOT OFF IN THE MUELLER HE GOT OFF IN THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION. EVERYTHING I DID WRONG, I DID IT EVERYTHING I DID WRONG, I DID IT ON TWITTER. ON TWITTER. YOU CAN’T CATCH ME FOR THAT. YOU CAN’T CATCH ME FOR THAT. WHAT IS THE STRATEGY MOVING WHAT IS THE STRATEGY MOVING FORWARD? FORWARD? HE IS CONTINUING TO OBSTRUCT HE IS CONTINUING TO OBSTRUCT INVESTIGATIONS INTO HIMSELF WITH INVESTIGATIONS INTO HIMSELF WITH THESE TACTICS OF CONGRESSIONAL THESE TACTICS OF CONGRESSIONAL ATTEMPTS AT OVERSIGHT. ATTEMPTS AT OVERSIGHT.>>THAT’S WHAT THE DEMOCRATS>>THAT’S WHAT THE DEMOCRATS FRANKLY HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH, FRANKLY HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH, EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF THEM SAY EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF THEM SAY THAT’S NOT WHERE PUBLIC THAT’S NOT WHERE PUBLIC SENTIMENT IS NECESSARILY AND SENTIMENT IS NECESSARILY AND POLITICALLY UNPOPULAR, AS POLITICALLY UNPOPULAR, AS FRUSTRATED AS THEY WERE WITH FRUSTRATED AS THEY WERE WITH WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE MUELLER WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION, YOU HAVE AN INVESTIGATION, YOU HAVE AN INCREASING NUMBER, INCLUDING INCREASING NUMBER, INCLUDING COMMITTEE CHAIRS SORT OF SAYING COMMITTEE CHAIRS SORT OF SAYING HE’S CONTINUING TO OBSTRUCT, HE’S CONTINUING TO OBSTRUCT, HE’S CONTINUING TO ABUSE HIS HE’S CONTINUING TO ABUSE HIS POWER. POWER. EVEN IF WE DON’T HAVE THE PUBLIC EVEN IF WE DON’T HAVE THE PUBLIC ON OUR SIDE, EVEN IF WE DON’T ON OUR SIDE, EVEN IF WE DON’T HAVE ANY REPUBLICANS IN THE HAVE ANY REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE JOINING US, WE HAVE A SENATE JOINING US, WE HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO MOVE CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO MOVE FORWARD. FORWARD. YOU HAVE THE MUELLER REPORT, YOU HAVE THE MUELLER REPORT, WHICH DEMOCRATS VIEWED AS WHICH DEMOCRATS VIEWED AS USING — REGARDLESS OF WHAT USING — REGARDLESS OF WHAT CONCLUSION HE CAME TO AND CONCLUSION HE CAME TO AND ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR CAME TO, ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR CAME TO, DEMOCRATS WHO WANTED TO USE THAT DEMOCRATS WHO WANTED TO USE THAT AS A ROADMAP, AS A TEMPLATE TO AS A ROADMAP, AS A TEMPLATE TO EVEN IF THEY DIDN’T MOVE FORWARD EVEN IF THEY DIDN’T MOVE FORWARD ON IMPEACHMENT, CALL WITNESSES ON IMPEACHMENT, CALL WITNESSES BEFORE THE COMMITTEE AND SAY, BEFORE THE COMMITTEE AND SAY, HEY, WE KNOW FROM THE MUELLER HEY, WE KNOW FROM THE MUELLER REPORT, YOU TOOK COPIOUS REPORT, YOU TOOK COPIOUS DETAILED NOTES. DETAILED NOTES. WE WANT TO SEE THOSE MEMOS, WE WANT TO SEE THOSE MEMOS, THOSE NOTES, TO SUBPOENA THOSE NOTES, TO SUBPOENA DOCUMENTS. DOCUMENTS. NOW THE PRESIDENT IS PREVENTING NOW THE PRESIDENT IS PREVENTING THEM FROM DOING THAT. THEM FROM DOING THAT. SO THAT’S ACTUALLY A REAL SO THAT’S ACTUALLY A REAL TANGIBLE CHALLENGE OF WHERE TANGIBLE CHALLENGE OF WHERE THREE GO FROM HERE. THREE GO FROM HERE. FROM THE PRESIDENT’S POINT OF FROM THE PRESIDENT’S POINT OF VIEW, OF COURSE, AS I SAID VIEW, OF COURSE, AS I SAID BEFORE, HE DOESN’T ACTUALLY WANT BEFORE, HE DOESN’T ACTUALLY WANT THEM LOOKING INTO AUTUMN THIS THEM LOOKING INTO AUTUMN THIS STUFF BUT HE ALSO BELIEVED TO A STUFF BUT HE ALSO BELIEVED TO A CERTAIN EXTENT THAT A BIT OF CERTAIN EXTENT THAT A BIT OF THIS IS A PUBLIC RELATIONS WAR. THIS IS A PUBLIC RELATIONS WAR. BECAUSE THE MUELLER REPORT, 448 BECAUSE THE MUELLER REPORT, 448 PAINLESS, NOT ALL OF IT BUT A PAINLESS, NOT ALL OF IT BUT A LOT OF IT WAS LITIGATED IN THE LOT OF IT WAS LITIGATED IN THE PRESS BEFORE. PRESS BEFORE. THERE WAS GREAT REPORTING IN A THERE WAS GREAT REPORTING IN A NUMBER OF PUBLICATIONS. NUMBER OF PUBLICATIONS. SO THEY SORT OF FEEL LIKE IT’S SO THEY SORT OF FEEL LIKE IT’S NOT AS BIG A DEAL AS IT WOULD NOT AS BIG A DEAL AS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WERE IT NEW HAVE BEEN WERE IT NEW INFORMATION. INFORMATION. THERE’S A BIT OF FATIGUE ON THE THERE’S A BIT OF FATIGUE ON THE PART OF THE PUBLIC, WHICH, PART OF THE PUBLIC, WHICH, AGAIN, IS WHY THEY FEEL AGAIN, IS WHY THEY FEEL EMBOLDENED TO STYMIE THE EMBOLDENED TO STYMIE THE DEMOCRATS AT EVERY TURN. DEMOCRATS AT EVERY TURN.>>ONE LAST QUESTION, WHEN IS>>ONE LAST QUESTION, WHEN IS THE PRESIDENT MOST DETRIMENTAL THE PRESIDENT MOST DETRIMENTAL TO HIMSELF WHEN HE FEELS TO HIMSELF WHEN HE FEELS EMBOLDENED OR EXONERATED OR WHEN EMBOLDENED OR EXONERATED OR WHEN HE FEELS LIKE HE’S BEEN CAUGHT HE FEELS LIKE HE’S BEEN CAUGHT DOING SOMETHING EXTRA NAUGHTY, DOING SOMETHING EXTRA NAUGHTY, EVEN FOR HIM? EVEN FOR HIM?>>THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION.>>THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION. I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER. I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER. I THINK IT’S A BIT OF BOTH. I THINK IT’S A BIT OF BOTH. YOU SAW THE MUELLER YOU SAW THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION IS A CLASSIC INVESTIGATION IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE. EXAMPLE. HE SORT OF FELT UNDER ATTACK HE SORT OF FELT UNDER ATTACK JUST TO HAVE RUSSIAN JUST TO HAVE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE LOOKED AT. INTERFERENCE LOOKED AT.>>WHY WOULD WE WANT TO DO THAT?>>WHY WOULD WE WANT TO DO THAT? WHY WOULD WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT WHY WOULD WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT OUR ADVERSARY DID. OUR ADVERSARY DID.>>THEREFORE HE FELT UNDER>>THEREFORE HE FELT UNDER ATTACK, SO HE BEGAN BEHAVING IN ATTACK, SO HE BEGAN BEHAVING IN A WAY THAT THEN ADDED THIS WHOLE A WAY THAT THEN ADDED THIS WHOLE EXTRA BUCKET OF OBSTRUCTION OF EXTRA BUCKET OF OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE TO THE INVESTIGATION. JUSTICE TO THE INVESTIGATION. SO THAT’S HIM BEHAVING SORT OF SO THAT’S HIM BEHAVING SORT OF POORLY WHEN HE FEELS VULNERABLE POORLY WHEN HE FEELS VULNERABLE AND UNDER ATTACK.

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ALTHOUGH SHE WAS NOT ON HIS PAYROLL, HE HELPED ORGANIZING PAYROLL, HE HELPED ORGANIZING HIS LIFE AND CALLING HER “HIS HIS LIFE AND CALLING HER “HIS BEST FRIEND.” BEST FRIEND.”>>LET’S BRING IN TOM WINTER AND>>LET’S BRING IN TOM WINTER AND OUR STEVE EATON. OUR STEVE EATON. TOM, TO YOU FIRST. TOM, TO YOU FIRST. REVELATIONS IN EACH COURT REVELATIONS IN EACH COURT DOCUMENTS OF MAXWELL, WHAT DID DOCUMENTS OF MAXWELL, WHAT DID THEY CONFIRM THAT WE DID NOT THEY CONFIRM THAT WE DID NOT KNOW ALREADY? KNOW ALREADY? THIS IS THE DAUGHTER O F A THIS IS THE DAUGHTER O F A SWINDLER AND A CON MAN WHEN HER SWINDLER AND A CON MAN WHEN HER FATHER ROBERT MAXWELL DIED FATHER ROBERT MAXWELL DIED MYSTERIOUSLY MYSTERIOUSLY MYSTERIOUSLY FOUND NAKED ALL OF MYSTERIOUSLY FOUND NAKED ALL OF HIS YACHT. HIS YACHT. HE OWNED OVER 40 BANKS. HE OWNED OVER 40 BANKS. $4 BILLION. $4 BILLION. HOW DID HESHE ROLL WITH SOME OF HOW DID HESHE ROLL WITH SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN THE THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD AND NOW NO ONE KNOWS WHERE WORLD AND NOW NO ONE KNOWS WHERE SHE IS. SHE IS. HOW CAN SHE AFFORD LIVING OFF HOW CAN SHE AFFORD LIVING OFF THE GRID? THE GRID? I CAN’T. I CAN’T.>>GETTING INTO THE MAXWELL’S>>GETTING INTO THE MAXWELL’S FINANCES AND GETTING INTO THE FINANCES AND GETTING INTO THE EXACT QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED, EXACT QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED, HOW IS SHE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO HOW IS SHE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO THIS OR AFFORD TO LIVE IN THIS THIS OR AFFORD TO LIVE IN THIS WORLD. WORLD. WE KNOW FROM SOME OF THE WE KNOW FROM SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT JEFFERY EPSTEIN DOCUMENTS THAT JEFFERY EPSTEIN BOUGHT HER A HELICOPTER AND SHE BOUGHT HER A HELICOPTER AND SHE FLEW THAT HELICOPTER AND SO WHEN FLEW THAT HELICOPTER AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS. YOU LOOK AT THIS. YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, HOW DID SHE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN HOW DID SHE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THIS LIFESTYLE AND HOW MUCH OF THIS LIFESTYLE AND HOW MUCH OF THAT AND HOW MUCH OF THOSE MEANS THAT AND HOW MUCH OF THOSE MEANS CAME FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN AND CAME FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN AND HOW MUCH WAS MONEY SHE MAY HAVE HOW MUCH WAS MONEY SHE MAY HAVE HAD THAT COULD HAVE BEEN HAD THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SEPARATE FROM HER FATHER. SEPARATE FROM HER FATHER. THE WHOLE THING IS A MYSTERY. THE WHOLE THING IS A MYSTERY. IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE GETS IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE GETS INTO EPSTEIN’S WORLD. INTO EPSTEIN’S WORLD. IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE STAYED IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE STAYED THIS IN WORLD. THIS IN WORLD. SHE HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT OF SHE HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT OF CHELSEA CLINTON’S WEDDING. CHELSEA CLINTON’S WEDDING. HOW DID SHE STAY IN THIS MIX AND HOW DID SHE STAY IN THIS MIX AND TRAVEL IN THESE CIRCLES AND TRAVEL IN THESE CIRCLES AND WHERE DID THINGS GO NEXT FOR WHERE DID THINGS GO NEXT FOR HER? HER?>>NO AUTHORITIES KNOW AND THEY>>NO AUTHORITIES KNOW AND THEY HAVE NOT TOLD US? HAVE NOT TOLD US?>>IT IS NOT A QUESTION THEY>>IT IS NOT A QUESTION THEY WOULD DIVLULGE TO US. WOULD DIVLULGE TO US. NOBODY HAVE SEEN HER OR HEARD NOBODY HAVE SEEN HER OR HEARD FROM HER FOR A LONG TIME. FROM HER FOR A LONG TIME. WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HER WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HER ATTORNEYS NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. ATTORNEYS NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. WHEN WE DO THIS STORY AND WE WHEN WE DO THIS STORY AND WE TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY IN THEIR ACTIONS, IT IS THEIR IN THEIR ACTIONS, IT IS THEIR POLICIES HERE AND WE TRY TO POLICIES HERE AND WE TRY TO REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON AND REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON AND THAT PARTY BECAUSE THAT’S THE THAT PARTY BECAUSE THAT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. RIGHT THING TO DO. WE WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. WE WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. IF MAXWELL IS STILL SOLICITING, IF MAXWELL IS STILL SOLICITING, WE KNOW OUR NUMBERS AND WE HAVE WE KNOW OUR NUMBERS AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO REACH YOU AND WE BEEN TRYING TO REACH YOU AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THOSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU REFERENCED ON DOCUMENTS THAT YOU REFERENCED ON FRIDAY. FRIDAY.>>STEVE, NOW WHAT HE’S DEAD,>>STEVE, NOW WHAT HE’S DEAD, ALL THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING ALL THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO WHETHER IT IS GHISLAINE INTO WHETHER IT IS GHISLAINE MAXWELL’S MONEY OR TO DEUTSCHE MAXWELL’S MONEY OR TO DEUTSCHE BANK, WHERE DO THOSE BANK, WHERE DO THOSE INVESTIGATIONS GO? INVESTIGATIONS GO? DO THEY DIE AWAY WITH HIM? DO THEY DIE AWAY WITH HIM?>>THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT>>THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE. HERE. THERE IS MONEY MOVING LEFT AND THERE IS MONEY MOVING LEFT AND RIGHT AND TRANSACTIONS DATING RIGHT AND TRANSACTIONS DATING BACK MANY YEARS. BACK MANY YEARS. THESE ARE MANY MILLIONS OF THESE ARE MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MOVING AROUND. DOLLARS MOVING AROUND. THE BANKS ARE SERPTCERTAINLY LOO THE BANKS ARE SERPTCERTAINLY LOO AT THEIR OWN RECORDS AND THERE AT THEIR OWN RECORDS AND THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE AS IT IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE AS IT RELATE TO THE MONEY. RELATE TO THE MONEY.>>IT WAS JUST REPORTED MOMENTS>>IT WAS JUST REPORTED MOMENTS AGO. AGO. WEXNER WAS THE ONLY SOURCE FOR WEXNER WAS THE ONLY SOURCE FOR EPSTEIN TO GET AS WEALTHY AS HE EPSTEIN TO GET AS WEALTHY AS HE DID. DID. WEXNER GAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY WEXNER GAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY WHICH WAS UNHEARD OF OVER HIS WHICH WAS UNHEARD OF OVER HIS BILLION DOLLARS FORTUNE. BILLION DOLLARS FORTUNE. WEXNER IS NOW IN THE LAST FEW WEXNER IS NOW IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS WORKING WITH AUTHORITIES. MONTHS WORKING WITH AUTHORITIES. WHY DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WHY DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IF YOU ARE LES WEXNER AND IF YOU ARE LES WEXNER AND EPSTEIN STOLE TENS OF MILLIONS EPSTEIN STOLE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM YOU OVER A OF DOLLARS FROM YOU OVER A DECADE AGO, WHY WOULD YOU WORK DECADE AGO, WHY WOULD YOU WORK WITH AUTHORITIES THEN. WITH AUTHORITIES THEN.>>MR. WEXNER REVEALED HE’S BEEN>>MR. WEXNER REVEALED HE’S BEEN A VICTIM OF FINANCIAL. A VICTIM OF FINANCIAL. MR. EPSTEIN HAD THIS AFFILIATION MR. EPSTEIN HAD THIS AFFILIATION WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS. WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS. SO THAT RAISES QUESTION. SO THAT RAISES QUESTION. WHY AUTHORITIES WERE NOT CALLED WHY AUTHORITIES WERE NOT CALLED IN BACK IN 2007, AT THE TIME IT IN BACK IN 2007, AT THE TIME IT WAS DISCOVERED. WAS DISCOVERED.>>HAD WEXNER GIVEN AN ANSWER TO>>HAD WEXNER GIVEN AN ANSWER TO THAT? THAT?>>IF I WALK INTO VICTORIA’S>>IF I WALK INTO VICTORIA’S SECRET RIGHT NOW AND STOLE A SECRET RIGHT NOW AND STOLE A BRA, I WOULD GET ARRESTED. BRA, I WOULD GET ARRESTED.>>WHY WOULD WEXNER NOT CALL>>WHY WOULD WEXNER NOT CALL AUTHORITIES WHEN EPSTEIN STOLE 6 AUTHORITIES WHEN EPSTEIN STOLE 6 BILLION BUCKS FROM HIM AT LEAST. BILLION BUCKS FROM HIM AT LEAST.>>WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME>>WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY, ROUGHLY A AMOUNT OF MONEY, ROUGHLY A $100 MILLION RECRUITED BACK AS $100 MILLION RECRUITED BACK AS PART OF THIS BUT THERE HAS NOT PART OF THIS BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN A FULL AREA ON THAT ASPECT. BEEN A FULL AREA ON THAT ASPECT.>>WILL THERE BE A LEGAL REASON>>WILL THERE BE A LEGAL REASON TO GET THESE ANSWERS FROM THE TO GET THESE ANSWERS FROM THE LIKES OF WEXNER. LIKES OF WEXNER. OBVIOUSLY REPORTERS ARE OBVIOUSLY REPORTERS ARE INTERESTED. INTERESTED. LES WEXNER DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE LES WEXNER DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE OUR CALLS. OUR CALLS. ARE THERE GOING TO BE DEMANDS OR ARE THERE GOING TO BE DEMANDS OR INCREASES FROM THE GOVERNMENT INCREASES FROM THE GOVERNMENT NOW THAT EPSTEIN IS DEAD. NOW THAT EPSTEIN IS DEAD.>>ONE IS FROM A CIVIL>>ONE IS FROM A CIVIL STANDPOINT FOR THE VICTIMS WHEN STANDPOINT FOR THE VICTIMS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THEM GETTING WE TALK ABOUT THEM GETTING JUSTICE. JUSTICE. SOME OF THESE FIGURES MAY HAVE SOME OF THESE FIGURES MAY HAVE FUNDED EPSTEIN AND IF THAT MONEY FUNDED EPSTEIN AND IF THAT MONEY AND ANY MONEY THAT WENT TO AND ANY MONEY THAT WENT TO EPSTEIN TO FUND THIS CONSPIRACY EPSTEIN TO FUND THIS CONSPIRACY THAT IT WAS BEING CHARGED WITH, THAT IT WAS BEING CHARGED WITH, THAT’S SOMETHING THAT THAT’S SOMETHING THAT PROSECUTORS COULD BE INTEREST PROSECUTORS COULD BE INTEREST IN. IN. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY CAME IN AND KEEP AN EYE MONEY CAME IN AND KEEP AN EYE ON. ON. FOR THE LAST FOOIIVE YEARS, THEY FOR THE LAST FOOIIVE YEARS, THEY HAD BANKING RECORDS. HAD BANKING RECORDS. IF EARNINGS DISCLOSE THAT IN IF EARNINGS DISCLOSE THAT IN PUBLIC FILINGS. PUBLIC FILINGS.>>WOULD IT BE EASIER TO GET>>WOULD IT BE EASIER TO GET SOME OF THIS INFORMATION NOW SOME OF THIS INFORMATION NOW THAT HE’S DEAD? THAT HE’S DEAD?>>IF I AM EPSTEIN’S LAWYER, I>>IF I AM EPSTEIN’S LAWYER, I AM NOT GELTTTING PAID BY HIM AS AM NOT GELTTTING PAID BY HIM AS SATURDAYS. SATURDAYS.>>SOME OF THOSE ATTORNEYS MAY>>SOME OF THOSE ATTORNEYS MAY BE MANAGING HIS ESTATE. BE MANAGING HIS ESTATE. FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THE BORA FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THE BORA KIMABLES KIMABLES BILLABLES KEEP GOING BECAUSE BILLABLES KEEP GOING BECAUSE THEY ARE MANAGING ON STATE. THEY ARE MANAGING ON STATE. WE ARE REPORTING HERE — WE ARE REPORTING HERE –>>EPSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS?>>EPSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS?>>IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT THE>>IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT THE ESTATE WOULD SUE MCC. ESTATE WOULD SUE MCC. DANNY DANNY DANNY CEVALLOS BROUGHT UP A DANNY CEVALLOS BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT BEFORE. GREAT POINT BEFORE. IRREGULARITYIES OF THIS FACILITY IRREGULARITYIES OF THIS FACILITY>>HOLD ON, IRREGULARITIES THAT>>HOLD ON, IRREGULARITIES THAT ALLOWED HIM TO HAVE THE ALLOWED HIM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KILL HIMSELF. OPPORTUNITY TO KILL HIMSELF.>>THE POSSIBILITY DOES EXIST.>>THE POSSIBILITY DOES EXIST. IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. TO CONSIDER. I DON’T THINK THE IDEA THAT WE I DON’T THINK THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE THIS BUTTON UP BY THE END HAVE THIS BUTTON UP BY THE END OF THE WEEK AND HOW IT IS OF THE WEEK AND HOW IT IS EXECUTED IN THE STATE. EXECUTED IN THE STATE. IT IS COMPLICATED AND DEFINITELY IT IS COMPLICATED AND DEFINITELY GOING TO BE KEEP TRACK OF. GOING TO BE KEEP TRACK OF. THE CIVIL ATTORNEYS DEFINITELY THE CIVIL ATTORNEYS DEFINITELY HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS. HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS. THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO GET THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO GET FINANCIAL JUSTICE FROM JEFFERY FINANCIAL JUSTICE FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN.>>STEVE, IF I AM DEUTSCHE BANK>>STEVE, IF I AM DEUTSCHE BANK OR JP MORGAN AND IP AM WATCHING OR JP MORGAN AND IP AM WATCHING THE CLOCK, THIS GUY IS GOING TO THE CLOCK, THIS GUY IS GOING TO HAVE A TRIAL DATE A YEAR FROM HAVE A TRIAL DATE A YEAR FROM NOW, I AM GOING TO CALL TO BE NOW, I AM GOING TO CALL TO BE TESTIFY, ARE ALL THOSE PARTIES

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>>>THIS MORNING THERE ARE MORE>>>THIS MORNING THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. A WHOLE LOT MORE IN THE CASE A WHOLE LOT MORE IN THE CASE AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS APPARENT SUICIDE IN A MANHATTAN APPARENT SUICIDE IN A MANHATTAN JAIL OVER THE WEEKEND. JAIL OVER THE WEEKEND. HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THE REPORTER WHO BROKE QUESTIONS THE REPORTER WHO BROKE THIS STORY WIDE OPEN AND PUT THIS STORY WIDE OPEN AND PUT EPSTEIN BACK INTO THE EPSTEIN BACK INTO THE SPOTLIGHT, “MIAMI HERALD’S” SPOTLIGHT, “MIAMI HERALD’S” JULIE K. BROWN, FORMER FEDERAL JULIE K. BROWN, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR AND PROFESSOR AT PROSECUTOR AND PROFESSOR AT GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL PAUL GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL PAUL BUTLER AND CAMERON LINDSAY WHO BUTLER AND CAMERON LINDSAY WHO SERVED AS A FEDERAL PRISON SERVED AS A FEDERAL PRISON WARDEN AND SPECIFICALLY WORKED WARDEN AND SPECIFICALLY WORKED AT MULTIPLE FACILITIES INCLUDING AT MULTIPLE FACILITIES INCLUDING THE SISTER FACILITY OF WHERE THE SISTER FACILITY OF WHERE EPSTEIN WAS. EPSTEIN WAS. CAMERON, YOU KNOW I NEED ANSWERS CAMERON, YOU KNOW I NEED ANSWERS TO HOW THIS JAIL WORKS. TO HOW THIS JAIL WORKS. BUT JULIE, I HAVE TO GO TO YOU BUT JULIE, I HAVE TO GO TO YOU FIRST. FIRST. WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUT HIS DEATH? HEARD ABOUT HIS DEATH?>>I JUST COULDN’T BELIEVE IT.>>I JUST COULDN’T BELIEVE IT. I MEAN, I GOT A PHONE CALL AND I I MEAN, I GOT A PHONE CALL AND I SAID, NO. SAID, NO. YOU KNOW, THAT CAN’T BE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THAT CAN’T BE RIGHT. I THINK EVERYBODY HAD THE SAME I THINK EVERYBODY HAD THE SAME REACTION. REACTION. HOW COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? HOW COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? GIVEN THE FACT THAT HE ALLEGEDLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT HE ALLEGEDLY TRIED SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TWO TRIED SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THIS? WEEKS PRIOR TO THIS? EVERYBODY THOUGHT THE SAME EVERYBODY THOUGHT THE SAME THING. THING. WASN’T HE UNDER SUICIDE WATCH? WASN’T HE UNDER SUICIDE WATCH? HOW COULD SOMEBODY ON SUICIDE HOW COULD SOMEBODY ON SUICIDE WATCH COMMIT SUICIDE? WATCH COMMIT SUICIDE? WE NOW KNOW THAT HE SOMEHOW WE NOW KNOW THAT HE SOMEHOW MANIPULATED THINGS SO THAT HE MANIPULATED THINGS SO THAT HE GOT OFF OF SUICIDE WATCH SO EVEN GOT OFF OF SUICIDE WATCH SO EVEN SO — SO –>>DO YOU THINK HE MANIPULATED>>DO YOU THINK HE MANIPULATED THINGS TO GET OFF SUICIDE WATCH? THINGS TO GET OFF SUICIDE WATCH?>>YES, I DO.>>YES, I DO. I DO. I DO. BECAUSE OF HIS HISTORY. BECAUSE OF HIS HISTORY. REMEMBER THE WAY HE WAS REMEMBER THE WAY HE WAS INCARCERATED IN FLORIDA, I MEAN, INCARCERATED IN FLORIDA, I MEAN, HE HAD GUARDS WHO WERE LEAVING HE HAD GUARDS WHO WERE LEAVING HIS DOOR OPEN, GUARDS WHO WERE HIS DOOR OPEN, GUARDS WHO WERE BRINGING HIM STEW, YOU KNOW, BRINGING HIM STEW, YOU KNOW, GUARDS THAT WERE CUTTING HIS GUARDS THAT WERE CUTTING HIS HAIR. HAIR. HE WAS ALLOWED TO LEAVE EVERY HE WAS ALLOWED TO LEAVE EVERY DAY WITH HIS OWN VALET AND GO TO DAY WITH HIS OWN VALET AND GO TO AN OFFICE. AN OFFICE. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME YOU KNOW, IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME AT ALL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT ALL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMEHOW BEEN ABLE TO MANIPULATE SOMEHOW BEEN ABLE TO MANIPULATE THEM INTO GIVING HIM SOME TIME THEM INTO GIVING HIM SOME TIME TO HIMSELF. TO HIMSELF.>>I KNOW YOU’VE SPOKEN TO SOME>>I KNOW YOU’VE SPOKEN TO SOME OF THE VICTIMS SINCE SATURDAY. OF THE VICTIMS SINCE SATURDAY. HOW ARE THEY PROCESSING THIS? HOW ARE THEY PROCESSING THIS?>>I THINK THEY ARE ALL STILL IN>>I THINK THEY ARE ALL STILL IN SHOCK. SHOCK. YOU KNOW, IT’S A RANGE OF YOU KNOW, IT’S A RANGE OF EMOTIONS. EMOTIONS. IT’S SHOCK, IT’S GRIEF. IT’S SHOCK, IT’S GRIEF. IT’S ANGER REALLY. IT’S ANGER REALLY. THIS IS, REPRESENTS ANOTHER THIS IS, REPRESENTS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CRIMINAL EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, IN PARTICULAR TO JUSTICE SYSTEM, IN PARTICULAR TO WEALTHY MEN WHO SEEM TO BE ABLE WEALTHY MEN WHO SEEM TO BE ABLE TO GET A DIFFERENT KIND OF TO GET A DIFFERENT KIND OF JUSTICE THAN OTHER REGULAR JUSTICE THAN OTHER REGULAR PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY. PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY.>>HOW RELIEVED ARE THEY?>>HOW RELIEVED ARE THEY? WHERE DO ALL OF THESE WHERE DO ALL OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS OR EVEN THE INVESTIGATIONS OR EVEN THE REPORTING GO? REPORTING GO? LET’S SAY MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN LET’S SAY MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN HIS CIRCLE WERE NOT CRIMINALS HIS CIRCLE WERE NOT CRIMINALS AND SEX OFFENDERS LIKE HE WAS. AND SEX OFFENDERS LIKE HE WAS. BUT WHAT IF THEY WERE JUST BUT WHAT IF THEY WERE JUST ABSOLUTE VILE SLEAZE BAGS WHO ABSOLUTE VILE SLEAZE BAGS WHO DIDN’T WANT THE PILOTS TO SAY, DIDN’T WANT THE PILOTS TO SAY, HERE’S WHO’S BEEN ON THE PLANE HERE’S WHO’S BEEN ON THE PLANE TEN TIMES, 15 TIMES? TEN TIMES, 15 TIMES? ARE THOSE PEOPLE DANCING IN THE ARE THOSE PEOPLE DANCING IN THE STREETS? STREETS?>>NO.>>NO. I DON’T THINK SO AT ALL. I DON’T THINK SO AT ALL.>>WHY?>>WHY?>>I THINK THE U.S. PROSECUTOR>>I THINK THE U.S. PROSECUTOR IS GOING TO — THERE ARE A LOT IS GOING TO — THERE ARE A LOT OF DOCUMENTS OUT THERE. OF DOCUMENTS OUT THERE. WE DON’T KNOW COMPLETELY WHAT WE DON’T KNOW COMPLETELY WHAT THE U.S. ATTORNEY HAS BUT HE HAS THE U.S. ATTORNEY HAS BUT HE HAS A BIG PAPER TRAIL. A BIG PAPER TRAIL.>>WILL WE SEE THOSE DOCUMENTS>>WILL WE SEE THOSE DOCUMENTS NOW? NOW?>>I THINK IN TIME.>>I THINK IN TIME. YOU KNOW, WHEN HE BRINGS YOU KNOW, WHEN HE BRINGS INDICTMENTS AND THE CASE GOES TO INDICTMENTS AND THE CASE GOES TO TRIAL. TRIAL. HE WILL PROSECUTE OTHER PEOPLE HE WILL PROSECUTE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS I FEEL CERTAIN INVOLVED IN THIS I FEEL CERTAIN BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE OUT THERE, SOME OF IT, AND IT IS OUT THERE, SOME OF IT, AND IT IS VERY STRONG. VERY STRONG.>>PAUL, WITHIN MINUTES OF>>PAUL, WITHIN MINUTES OF LEARNING OF EPSTEIN’S DEATH THE LEARNING OF EPSTEIN’S DEATH THE INTERNET WAS FLOODED WITH INTERNET WAS FLOODED WITH CONSPIRACY THEORIES. CONSPIRACY THEORIES. THE PRESIDENT EVEN RETWEETING A THE PRESIDENT EVEN RETWEETING A CONSPIRACY THEORY TYING THE CONSPIRACY THEORY TYING THE CLINTONS TO THIS. CLINTONS TO THIS. IT IS NOT JUST — THERE ARE IT IS NOT JUST — THERE ARE CONSPIRACY THEORIES ALL OVER THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES ALL OVER THE PLACE. PLACE. HOW MUCH DOES THAT COMPLICATE HOW MUCH DOES THAT COMPLICATE THINGS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY THINGS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY GETTING JUSTICE HERE? GETTING JUSTICE HERE?>>HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW.>>HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW. WE KNOW MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WE KNOW MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WAS ENABLED BY THE FEDERAL WAS ENABLED BY THE FEDERAL PRISONS. PRISONS. HE WAS UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. HE WAS UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. SUICIDE WATCH. HE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOMEONE ELSE HE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOMEONE ELSE IN THE CELL WITH HIM. IN THE CELL WITH HIM. THAT PERSON WAS MYSTERIOUSLY THAT PERSON WAS MYSTERIOUSLY REMOVED ON FRIDAY. REMOVED ON FRIDAY. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKED HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKED EVERY 30 MINUTES AND APPARENTLY EVERY 30 MINUTES AND APPARENTLY WAS NOT CHECKED FOR HOURS. WAS NOT CHECKED FOR HOURS. SOMETHING BIZARRE WAS GOING ON. SOMETHING BIZARRE WAS GOING ON.>>OKAY.>>OKAY. BESIDES THE MOMENTARY OUTRAGE BESIDES THE MOMENTARY OUTRAGE THAT WE’RE EXPERIENCING TODAY, THAT WE’RE EXPERIENCING TODAY, WHAT — WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT — WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT? THAT?>>SO THE COCONSPIRATORS, MR.>>SO THE COCONSPIRATORS, MR. EPSTEIN’S VAST, CRIMINAL EPSTEIN’S VAST, CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY WAS ENABLED BY OTHER CONSPIRACY WAS ENABLED BY OTHER PEOPLE. PEOPLE. SOMEBODY HAD TO RECRUIT THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO RECRUIT THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. SOMEBODY HAD TO TRAIN THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO TRAIN THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. SOMEBODY HAD TO COERCE THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO COERCE THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. REMEMBER, THE BIZARRE TRAVESTY REMEMBER, THE BIZARRE TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE THAT THE FLORIDA PLEA OF JUSTICE THAT THE FLORIDA PLEA DEAL REPRESENTED SAID THAT THOSE DEAL REPRESENTED SAID THAT THOSE COCONSPIRATORS COULD NOT BE COCONSPIRATORS COULD NOT BE PROSECUTED. PROSECUTED. THANKFULLY THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THANKFULLY THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR NEW YORK, MR. BERMAN, DOES NOT NEW YORK, MR. BERMAN, DOES NOT AGREE WITH THAT. AGREE WITH THAT. HE SHOULD GO AFTER THOSE FOUR HE SHOULD GO AFTER THOSE FOUR COCONSPIRATORS VERY QUICKLY. COCONSPIRATORS VERY QUICKLY.>>HOW ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY?>>HOW ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY? DELAIN MAXWELL HAS BEEN WRITTEN DELAIN MAXWELL HAS BEEN WRITTEN UP OVER AND OVER AS THE UP OVER AND OVER AS THE COCONSPIRATOR, RECRUITER, OFTEN COCONSPIRATOR, RECRUITER, OFTEN THE TRAINER OF MANY OF THESE THE TRAINER OF MANY OF THESE YOUNG GIRLS. YOUNG GIRLS. IT IS REPORTED THEY DON’T EVEN IT IS REPORTED THEY DON’T EVEN KNOW WHERE SHE IS. KNOW WHERE SHE IS. THIS IS A WOMAN WHOSE FATHER THIS IS A WOMAN WHOSE FATHER DIED A SWINDLER, CON MAN, OWING DIED A SWINDLER, CON MAN, OWING OVER 43 BANKS $4 BILLION. OVER 43 BANKS $4 BILLION. A, HOW DID THIS WOMAN MAINTAIN A, HOW DID THIS WOMAN MAINTAIN HER SOCIALITE STATUS AND, B, WHY HER SOCIALITE STATUS AND, B, WHY IS IT THAT PEOPLE STILL DON’T IS IT THAT PEOPLE STILL DON’T KNOW WHERE SHE IS? KNOW WHERE SHE IS? I COULDN’T LIVE OFF THE GRID. I COULDN’T LIVE OFF THE GRID. I DON’T THINK YOU COULD EITHER. I DON’T THINK YOU COULD EITHER.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. I CAN’T REALLY ANSWER THAT I CAN’T REALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. QUESTION. I WOULD HOPE THEY ARE KEEPING I WOULD HOPE THEY ARE KEEPING TRACK OF HER AND THEY SHOULD TRACK OF HER AND THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING WHERE SHE IS HAVE BEEN LOOKING WHERE SHE IS EVERY SECOND. EVERY SECOND. SHE DOES HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP I SHE DOES HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP I UNDERSTAND WITH THE UK AND IS UNDERSTAND WITH THE UK AND IS ALSO ASSOCIATED IN RECENT YEARS ALSO ASSOCIATED IN RECENT YEARS WITH A LOT OF OCEANOGRAPHERS. WITH A LOT OF OCEANOGRAPHERS. SHE HAD A NONPROFIT SHE HAD A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. ORGANIZATION. SO THERE’S ALSO BEEN SOME SO THERE’S ALSO BEEN SOME SPECULATION THAT SHE COULD EVEN SPECULATION THAT SHE COULD EVEN BE ON A SUBMARINE SOMEWHERE IN BE ON A SUBMARINE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN. THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN. WHO KNOWS? WHO KNOWS? I MEAN, SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS I MEAN, SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS PRETTY SHARP THAT SHE WAS ABLE PRETTY SHARP THAT SHE WAS ABLE TO EVADE IT THIS LONG. TO EVADE IT THIS LONG.>>IF BILL BARR WANTS THEM TO>>IF BILL BARR WANTS THEM TO THE FBI CAN FIND THIS WOMAN. THE FBI CAN FIND THIS WOMAN. THE QUESTION IS DOES HE? THE QUESTION IS DOES HE?>>BILL BARR HAS SAID HE IS>>BILL BARR HAS SAID HE IS OUTRAGED. OUTRAGED. CAMERON, TAKE ME INSIDE OF THIS CAMERON, TAKE ME INSIDE OF THIS PRISON. PRISON. IS THERE ANY WAY SOMEONE OTHER IS THERE ANY WAY SOMEONE OTHER THAN EPSTEIN COULD HAVE THAN EPSTEIN COULD HAVE ORCHESTRATED HIS DEATH OR HAD A ORCHESTRATED HIS DEATH OR HAD A HAND IN IT? HAND IN IT? BECAUSE FOR THOSE OF US SITTING BECAUSE FOR THOSE OF US SITTING HERE, IT SIMPLY MAKES NO SENSE. HERE, IT SIMPLY MAKES NO SENSE.>>WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME>>WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS IS JUST A TERRIBLE JUST SAY THIS IS JUST A TERRIBLE EVENT THAT’S HAPPENED. EVENT THAT’S HAPPENED. I THINK IT IS A BLACK EYE ON OUR I THINK IT IS A BLACK EYE ON OUR ENTIRE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM ENTIRE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM FOR THE SAKE OF THE VICTIMS AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE VICTIMS AND UPHOLDING OUR SYSTEMS OF UPHOLDING OUR SYSTEMS OF JUSTICE. JUSTICE. THESE KINDS OF THINGS — THESE KINDS OF THINGS –>>WHAT IF A BLACK GUY IS THE>>WHAT IF A BLACK GUY IS THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS AND THOSE LESSER OF TWO EVILS AND THOSE ARE SAYING, YEP. ARE SAYING, YEP. THIS WILL BE HUMILIATING BUT AT THIS WILL BE HUMILIATING BUT AT LEAST WE’LL GET THIS GUY OUT OF LEAST WE’LL GET THIS GUY OUT OF THE PICTURE BECAUSE HE COULD THE PICTURE BECAUSE HE COULD HURT US WAY MORE THAN A BLACK HURT US WAY MORE THAN A BLACK EYE? EYE?>>THIS IS CERTAINLY GOING TO>>THIS IS CERTAINLY GOING TO FUEL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES. FUEL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES. VERY FRANKLY, IT’S GOING TO BE VERY FRANKLY, IT’S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS UNFOLDS. UNFOLDS. BUT I PREDICT WHAT WE’RE GOING BUT I PREDICT WHAT WE’RE GOING TO SEE IN THE END IS THAT TO SEE IN THE END IS THAT EPSTEIN WAS PROBABLY ABLE TO EPSTEIN WAS PROBABLY ABLE TO CHARM OR MANIPULATE A MENTAL CHARM OR MANIPULATE A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL INTO HEALTH PROFESSIONAL INTO BELIEVING THAT HE WAS NO LONGER BELIEVING THAT HE WAS NO LONGER A THREAT TO HIMSELF AND WAS A THREAT TO HIMSELF AND WAS THEREFORE PULLED OFF THE SUICIDE THEREFORE PULLED OFF THE SUICIDE WATCH. WATCH. PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EPSTEIN PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EPSTEIN SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN A CELL WITH SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN A CELL WITH ANOTHER INMATE TO HELP, PERHAPS, ANOTHER INMATE TO HELP, PERHAPS, KEEP HIM FROM KILLING HIMSELF. KEEP HIM FROM KILLING HIMSELF. I SEE THAT VERY DIFFERENTLY. I SEE THAT VERY DIFFERENTLY. FROM A CORRECTIONAL FROM A CORRECTIONAL ADMINISTRATOR PERSPECTIVE WHEN ADMINISTRATOR PERSPECTIVE WHEN YOU TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE YOU TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHO IS A JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHO IS A CONVICTED PEDOPHILE, WHO IS CONVICTED PEDOPHILE, WHO IS EXTREMELY HIGH PROFILE, A EXTREMELY HIGH PROFILE, A BILLIONAIRE CONNECTED TO BILLIONAIRE CONNECTED TO VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY, TO KILL VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY, TO KILL SOMEBODY, FOR AN INMATE TO KILL SOMEBODY, FOR AN INMATE TO KILL SOMEBODY LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN SOMEBODY LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN VERY FRANKLY WOULD BE A BADGE OF VERY FRANKLY WOULD BE A BADGE OF HONOR. HONOR. IN THE SUB CULTURE OF JAILS AND IN THE SUB CULTURE OF JAILS AND PRISONS THIS IS THE KIND OF GUY PRISONS THIS IS THE KIND OF GUY THAT IS GOING TO BE RIPE TO BE THAT IS GOING TO BE RIPE TO BE TAKEN OUT. TAKEN OUT. I BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN I BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SINGLE CELLED THE ENTIRE TIME. SINGLE CELLED THE ENTIRE TIME. ONCE HE HAD HIS SUICIDE ATTEMPT ONCE HE HAD HIS SUICIDE ATTEMPT IF THIS IS PROVEN, THEN FROM MY IF THIS IS PROVEN, THEN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE HE SHOULD HAVE PERSPECTIVE HE SHOULD HAVE REMAINED ON SUICIDE WATCH THE REMAINED ON SUICIDE WATCH THE ENTIRE TIME HE WAS IN THAT ENTIRE TIME HE WAS IN THAT FACILITY. FACILITY. HE WAS A PRETRIAL, PRESENTENCE HE WAS A PRETRIAL, PRESENTENCE FACILITY. FACILITY. HE THEREFORE WOULD NOT BE ON HE THEREFORE WOULD NOT BE ON SUICIDE WATCH INDEFINITELY. SUICIDE WATCH INDEFINITELY. AS SOON AS HIS CASE WERE TO BE AS SOON AS HIS CASE WERE TO BE ADJUDICATED THE BUREAU OF ADJUDICATED THE BUREAU OF PRISONS WOULD HAVE DESIGNATED PRISONS WOULD HAVE DESIGNATED HIM VERY QUICKLY TO THE HIM VERY QUICKLY TO THE INSTITUTION OF SERVICE OF INSTITUTION OF SERVICE OF SENTENCE MUCH LIKE THEY DID WITH SENTENCE MUCH LIKE THEY DID WITH GUZMAN, SHORTY GUZMAN. GUZMAN, SHORTY GUZMAN. AS SOON AS HIS CASE WAS AS SOON AS HIS CASE WAS ADJUDICATED OFF HE WENT TO THE ADJUDICATED OFF HE WENT TO THE ADX. ADX. THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I SEE THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I SEE WHERE THE AGENCY WENT WRONG VERY WHERE THE AGENCY WENT WRONG VERY FRANKLY. FRANKLY.>>JULIE, WHERE DOES YOUR>>JULIE, WHERE DOES YOUR REPORTING GO FROM HERE? REPORTING GO FROM HERE?>>I’M GOING TO KEEP FOLLOWING>>I’M GOING TO KEEP FOLLOWING THE TRAIL OF EVIDENCE THAT WE’VE THE TRAIL OF EVIDENCE THAT WE’VE DUG UP SO FAR WITH THESE DUG UP SO FAR WITH THESE DOCUMENTS THAT CAME OUT THE DOCUMENTS THAT CAME OUT THE OTHER DAY. OTHER DAY. THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, A LOT OF THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, A LOT OF THREADS TO FOLLOW. THREADS TO FOLLOW. THERE ARE NEW NAMES AS WE KNOW THERE ARE NEW NAMES AS WE KNOW OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLEGED TO OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE WAY OR HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER SO WE’LL START LOOKING I ANOTHER SO WE’LL START LOOKING I THINK CLOSER AT ALL OF THOSE THINK CLOSER AT ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS AND ALSO I THINK DOCUMENTS AND ALSO I THINK EVERYBODY IS HOPING THAT PERHAPS EVERYBODY IS HOPING THAT PERHAPS MORE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THIS MORE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THIS WILL COME FORWARD, MEANING — WILL COME FORWARD, MEANING –>>YOU THINK THEY WILL?>>YOU THINK THEY WILL?>>I DON’T KNOW.>>I DON’T KNOW. YOU KNOW, FIRST I THOUGHT THEY YOU KNOW, FIRST I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH HIM WOULD BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH HIM BEING GONE, MOST OF THEM TOLD ME BEING GONE, MOST OF THEM TOLD ME THEY DIDN’T WANT TO SPEAK THEY DIDN’T WANT TO SPEAK BECAUSE EITHER THEY HAD A BECAUSE EITHER THEY HAD A NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT WITH HIM NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT WITH HIM IF THEY WORKED FOR HIM OR THEY IF THEY WORKED FOR HIM OR THEY WERE AFRAID. WERE AFRAID. NOW WITH HIM GONE I THOUGHT, NOW WITH HIM GONE I THOUGHT, WELL MAYBE NOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WELL MAYBE NOW, YOU KNOW, HOW EFFECTIVE IS THE NONDISCLOSURE EFFECTIVE IS THE NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT GOING TO REALLY BE? AGREEMENT GOING TO REALLY BE? NOW WITH ALL THESE CONSPIRACY NOW WITH ALL THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES FLOATING OUT THERE, THEORIES FLOATING OUT THERE, THEY COULD VERY WELL BE AFRAID

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>>>GOOD SUNDAY MORNING.>>>GOOD SUNDAY MORNING.
AS THE COUNTRY STRUGGLES TO AS THE COUNTRY STRUGGLES TO
PROCESS THE EVENTS OF THE LAST PROCESS THE EVENTS OF THE LAST
WEEKEND, AS WE GRAPPLE ONCE WEEKEND, AS WE GRAPPLE ONCE
AGAIN WITH OUR GUN CULTURE, THIS AGAIN WITH OUR GUN CULTURE, THIS
WOUND FEELS DEEPER AND A BIT WOUND FEELS DEEPER AND A BIT
RAWER. RAWER. IT WAS A WEEK THAT THE COUNTRY
NEEDED A PRESIDENT TO DO WHATY NEEDED A PRESIDENT TO DO WHAT
PRESIDENTS HAVE DONE IN THE PRESIDENTS HAVE DONE IN THE
PAST, TO PROVIDE SOLACE AND PAST, TO PROVIDE SOLACE AND
HEALING, AND TO REMIND US ALL HEALING, AND TO REMIND US ALL
THAT THE AMERICAN STORY TRAVELS THAT THE AMERICAN STORY TRAVELS
ON THAT ARC OF HISTORY THAT ON THAT ARC OF HISTORY THAT
BENDS TOWARD JUSTICE. BENDS TOWARD JUSTICE.
INSTEAD, PRESIDENT TRUMP INSTEAD, PRESIDENT TRUMP
DELIVERED A TELEPROMPTER MESSAGE DELIVERED A TELEPROMPTER MESSAGE
OF UNITY ON MONDAY AND SPENT OF UNITY ON MONDAY AND SPENT
MOST OF THE REST OF THE WEEK MOST OF THE REST OF THE WEEK
ATTACKING HIS PERCEIVED ATTACKING HIS PERCEIVED
POLITICAL FOES, CALLING THE POLITICAL FOES, CALLING THE
DAYTON MAYORS NEWS CONFERENCE A DAYTON MAYORS NEWS CONFERENCE A
FRAUD, SAYING JOAQUIN CASTRO FRAUD, SAYING JOAQUIN CASTRO
MAKES A FOOL OF HIMSELF EVERY MAKES A FOOL OF HIMSELF EVERY
TIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH, AND TIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH, AND
TELLING BETO OROURKE OF EL TELLING BETO OROURKE OF EL
PASO, TEXAS, TO SHUT HIS MOUTH. PASO, TEXAS, TO SHUT HIS MOUTH.
DEMOCRATS IN TURN RAMPED UP DEMOCRATS IN TURN RAMPED UP
THEIR RHETORIC, BLAMING THE THEIR RHETORIC, BLAMING THE
PRESIDENT AND MANY CALLING HIM A PRESIDENT AND MANY CALLING HIM A
WHITE SUPREMACIST. WHITE SUPREMACIST.
6 1/2 YEARS AFTER NEWTOWN AND 2 6 1/2 YEARS AFTER NEWTOWN AND 2
YEARS AFTER CHARLOTTESVILLE, YEARS AFTER CHARLOTTESVILLE,
WHAT DOES HAPPEN NOW? WHAT DOES HAPPEN NOW?
WILL A BUILT STRENGTHENING WILL A BUILT STRENGTHENING
BACKGROUND CHECKS GAIN MOMENTUM, BACKGROUND CHECKS GAIN MOMENTUM,
OR WILL WE SEE THE PREDICTABLE OR WILL WE SEE THE PREDICTABLE
WASH, RINSE, REPEAT ACTION OF WASH, RINSE, REPEAT ACTION OF
GRIDLOCK ON GUNS PLAY OUT AGAIN? GRIDLOCK ON GUNS PLAY OUT AGAIN?
WILL THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WILL THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
SURPRISE ITS CRITICS AND FULLY SURPRISE ITS CRITICS AND FULLY
ENGAGE IN ADDRESSING DOMESTIC ENGAGE IN ADDRESSING DOMESTIC
TERRORISM, PARTICULARLY ITS TERRORISM, PARTICULARLY ITS
LINKS TO WHITE SUPREMACIST LINKS TO WHITE SUPREMACIST
IDEOLOGY? IDEOLOGY? OR WILL THAT PROBLEM CONTINUE TO
FESTER? THAT PROBLEM CONTINUE TO FESTER? JUST THIS WEEK FROM LAS VEGAS TO JUST THIS WEEK FROM LAS VEGAS TO TOLEDO, OHIO, TO FLORIDA,
ARRESTS WERE MADE AFTER DOMESTIC