Pompeo on disaster relief in Bahamas, peace talks with the Taliban


>>Chris: DAVID SPUN REPORTING FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, THANK YOU. JOINING US NOT TO DISCUSS ALL OF THIS AND MORE, SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO. WELCOME BACK TO FOX OR SUNDAY.>>Secretary Pompeo: IT’S GREAT TO BE BACK ON, THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON THE SHOW THIS MORNING.>>Chris: LET’S START WITH THE PRESIDENT ‘S TWEET LATE LAST NIGHT THAT HE HAS CALLED OFF THE MEETING, CANCELED THE MEETING WITH THE TALIBAN THAT WAS TO BE HELD AT CAMP DAVID TODAY, A SECRET MEETING, THAT HE HAS CALLED OFF ALL PEACE TALKS, NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE TALIBAN. WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THE PLAN TO BEGIN TO PULL U.S. TROOPS OUT OF AFGHANISTAN?>>Secretary Pompeo: CHRIS, REMEMBER THE PRINCIPLES, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS MADE CLEAR HE WANTS TO REDUCE RISKS TO AMERICANS. IF YOU SHOW THE PICTURES LAST NIGHT FROM THE DIGNIFIED TRANSFER, THE REMAINS OF SERGEANT FIRST CLASS, I WAS OUT THERE WITH HIS FAMILY. IT’S A REMINDER TO ALL OF US THE ENORMOUS COST AND SACRIFICE THESE HEROES MAKE FOR US EACH AND EVERY DAY. PRESIDENT TRUMP IS TRYING TO REDUCE THAT RISK. AT THE SAME TIME, IS COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE WE REDUCE THE RISK THAT TERROR SHOULD EVER STRIKE THE UNITED STATES FROM AFGHANISTAN AGAIN SO WE’VE BEEN WORKING FOR MONTHS FOR PEACE AND RECONCILIATION DEAL. WE’VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT, WORKING WITH OTHER AFGHAN LEADERS, WORKING WITH THE TALIBAN TO TRY AND REDUCE THE LEVEL OF VIOLENCE TO COMMENCE — YOU WOULD KNOW THIS WELL, TRYING TO GET THE AFGHANS TO TALK TO EACH OTHER, BASIC IDEA FOR ALMOST TWO DECADES NOW AND WE HAVE THE TALIBAN’S COMMITMENT TO DO THAT. WE HAVE A COMMITMENT BREAK FROM AL QAEDA PUBLICLY AND THEY WOULD HONESTLY HAVE TO DELIVER ON THAT COMMITMENT. SO WE’VE MADE REAL PROGRESS, BUT IN THE END, THE TALIBAN OVERREACHED. THEY FORGOT THAT AMERICA IS ALWAYS GOING TO PROTECT — THE COMMANDER RESOLUTE SUPPORT AND THE NATO FORCES THERE ARE STILL AT THIS HEART. KILLED OVER A THOUSAND TALIBAN JUST IN THE LAST TEN DAYS. WHILE THIS ISN’T A WAR OF ATTRITION, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW WHO WILL CONTINUE TO APPLY THE APPROPRIATE PRESSURE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NEVER STRUCK WITH TERROR AGAIN FROM AFGHANISTAN.>>Chris: ARE THE TALKS AND ARE DEAD AND WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO RESTART THEM?>>Secretary Pompeo: FOR THE TIME BEING THEY ARE. WE’VE RECALLED THE AMBASSADOR TO COME BACK TO WASHINGTON SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN TO THINK THROUGH HOW WE WOULD CHART THE PATH FORWARD AND I THINK — ALTHOUGH THE PRESIDENT HASN’T MADE A FINAL DECISION, WHAT THEY DID HERE WAS THEY TRIED TO USE TERROR TO IMPROVE THEIR NEGOTIATING POSITION AND I THINK ANYONE WHO WAS OBSERVED PRESIDENT TRUMP KNOWS WHETHER IT WAS IN HANOI WITH NORTH KOREA OR WHETHER IT’S BEEN AND HOW WE RESPONDED WHEN THE CHINESE RENEGED ON THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE TRADE DEAL, IN THE COURSE OF CONVERSATION BUT WE ARE TRYING TO IMPROVE BOTH TEAM’S OUTCOMES THROUGH A NEGOTIATED SOLUTION. IF THE OTHER TEAM COMMITS AN ACT THAT’S INCONSISTENT, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT GOING TO TAKE THAT DEAL. HE’S NOT GOING TO TAKE A BAD DEAL. WE’RE LOOKING FOR MORE THAN WORDS ON PAPER. WERE LOOKING FOR REAL COMMITMENT AND THE TALIBAN DEMONSTRATED THAT EITHER THEY WEREN’T WILLING TO WORK COULDN’T LIVE UP TO THE COMMITMENT THEY NEEDED TO MAKE TO REDUCE VIOLENCE THERE.>>Chris: ‘S OF THE TALKS ARE OFTEN DEFINITELY?>>Secretary Pompeo: I HOPE WE GET THEM STARTED BACK. IT WILL ULTIMATELY BE UP TO THE TALIBAN BURIED THEY HAVE GOT TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY ARE PREPARED TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE ASK THEM TO DO IN THE COURSE OF THE NEGOTIATION.>>Chris: BUT THE TALIBAN, AS DAVID JUST REPORTED, HAS JUST COME OUT OF OUT OF THE ST COME OUT OF OUT OF THE SM COME OUT OF OUT OF THE S->>Secretary Pompeo: A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE — THOSE WORDS — COOLER HEADS I HOPE WILL PREVAIL. I DIDN’T SEE THE FULL STATEMENT, I DON’T KNOW ITS CONTEXT, I DON’T KNOW PRECISELY ISSUED IT. THE TALIBAN IS NOT MONOLITHIC.>>Chris: LET ME JUST — THEY SAID AMERICANS WILL SUFFER MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE AND THAT THIS WILL RESULT IN THE DEATH OF MORE AMERICAN TROOPS.>>Secretary Pompeo: I HOPE THAT’S NOT THE CASE. WE DON’T WANT ANY LOSS OF AMERICAN LIFE. KNOW THIS, KNOW THAT OUR DEPARTMENT DEFENDS — GENERAL MILLER HAVE THE FULL AUTHORITY TO DO WITH A NEED TO DO TO PROTECT AMERICAN SOLDIERS, SAILORS, AIR FORCE FOLKS WORKING THE AREA AND DO EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO DO TO PREVENT A TERROR ATTACK FROM EVER COMING BACK TO THE UNITED STATES AS IT DID NOW ALMOST 18 YEARS AGO.>>Chris: I WANT TO GET TO THE BIGGER QUESTION. WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES — YOU HAD AN AGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE ALREADY, YOU’RE ON FIVE WITH TALIBAN LEADERS, FINE, WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO MEET WITH TALIBAN LEADERS WHO HAVE THE BLOOD OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS ON THEIR HANDS JUST THREE DAYS BEFORE 9/11?>>Secretary Pompeo: WE KNOW THE HISTORY OF CAMP DAVID. WE REFLECTED ON THAT AS WE WERE THINKING ABOUT HOW TO DELIVER FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. SO AS WE CONSIDER THE RIGHT PATH FORWARD — YOUR POINT ABOUT AN AGREEMENT IMPOSSIBLE, I THINK THAT’S TRUE. STILL LOTS OF IMPLEMENTATION ISSUES, LOTS OF TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT NEEDED TO BE WORKED ON EVEN THOUGH WE’VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR MONTHS, PRESIDENT TRUMP ULTIMATELY MADE THE DECISION — HE SAID I WANT TO TALK TO THE PRESIDENT. I WANT TO TALK TO THE TALIBAN NEGOTIATORS. I WANT TO LOOK THEM IN THE EYE, I WANT TO SEE IF WE CAN GET TO THE FINAL OUTCOME THAT WE NEEDED SO THAT WE COULD SIGNOFF A DEAL, SO WE FOUND THAT ARRANGEMENT ACCEPTABLE, THAT THE VERIFICATION WAS ADEQUATE AND WE CONCLUDED THIS WAS A PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE PLACE. YOU KNOW THE HISTORY OF CAMP DAVID. LOTS OF BAD FOLKS HAVE COME THROUGH THAT PLACE, THERE HAVE BEEN LOTS OF PEACE NEGOTIATIONS TAKING PLACE. IT’S ALL MOST ALWAYS THE CASE, CHRIS, THAT YOU DON’T GET TO NEGOTIATE WITH GOOD GUYS. THE REASON YOU’RE IN NEGOTIATIONS, TO END WARS, TO END CONFLICTS, TO END VIOLENCE, TO REDUCE RISK TO THE IRAQI PEOPLE, IS ALMOST ALWAYS BECAUSE THE PERSON ACROSS THE TABLE ISN’T EXACTLY THE FINEST.>>Chris: I UNDERSTAND — I DON’T WANT TO PRESS THE POINT TOO MUCH, BUT YASSER ARAFAT WAS THERE AND OBVIOUSLY HE WAS RESPONSIBLE THE PALESTINIAN LIBERALIZATION, THE DEATH OF MANY PEOPLE.>>Secretary Pompeo: MANY AMERICANS.>>Chris: BUT THE TALIBAN HAS THE DEATHS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS JUST THREE DAYS BEFORE 9/11. NO CONCERNS ABOUT THAT? AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS — YOU KNOW, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE ENVOY TALKING, WHAT IS THE PRESIDENT HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT STATUS ON THEM?>>Secretary Pompeo: PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS VERY CLEAR. HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT TO THE RIGHT PLACE. HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN SOMEONE — I’VE OBSERVED IS NOT FOR MY ENTIRE TIME WERE CONFIRM AS CIA DIRECTOR AND NOW SECRETARY OF STATE, HE IS WILLING TO TAKE RISKS. IF HE BELIEVES HE CAN DELIVER AN OUTCOME FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, HE WAS HOPEFUL THAT THIS CONVERSATION WOULD LEAD — WE’VE BEEN AT THIS NOW ALMOST TWO DECADES. $30 BILLION A YEAR AND WE’VE GOT TERROR RISKS ALL ACROSS THE WORLD, NOT JUST IN AFGHANISTAN. WE’VE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE FORCES POSTURED RIGHT ALL ACROSS THE WORLD. WE SOMETIMES SINGULARLY FOCUSED ON AFGHANISTAN BECAUSE OF ITS DEEP HISTORY AND DEEP CONNECTION WHAT THEY DID ON 9/11 THAT STILL ANGERS ME TO THIS VERY MOMENT, WITH GOT TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT AND OUR EFFORTS OVER THE LAST MONTH HAVE BEEN TO DO THAT. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT OUR MISSION SET AND I HOPE WE WILL GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO HAVE DOWN THAT PATH SO WE CAN GET THE REDUCTION IN VIOLENCE AND WE CAN GET THE TALIBAN TO MAKE A COMMITMENT AND THEN LIVE UP WITH HER TO BREAK WITH AL QAEDA AND WE CAN GET THEM BACK AT THE NEGOTIATING TABLE WITH THEIR AFGHAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS TO REDUCE THE LEVEL OF VIOLENCE THERE.>>Chris: IRAN JUST ANNOUNCED THAT IT IS GOING TO USE ADVANCED CENTRIFUGES THAT WILL ALLOW IT TO ENRICH URANIUM FASTER. THIS IS AT LEAST THE THIRD — I DON’T HAVE TO TELL YOU, THE THIRD VIOLATION OF THE NUCLEAR DEAL THAT THEY HAVE MADE IN RECENT MONTHS. ALL OF THESE ARE SHORTENING THE TIME THAT IRAN WOULD NEED TO BUILD AN ATOMIC — NUCLEAR WEAPON TO LESS THAN A YEAR. IS THE THREAT OF A NUCLEAR IRAN INCREASING, AND GIVEN THE FACT U.S. SANCTIONS HAVE HAMMERED THE ECONOMY BUT THEY ARE NOT STOPPING IRAN IN THIS AREA, WHAT’S THE U.S. GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?>>Secretary Pompeo: WE HOPE THE WHOLE WORLD WILL JOIN US. PRESIDENT TRUMP IS BEEN VERY CLEAR, IRAN WON’T HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON ON OUR WATCH. WE WILL STOP IT. HE’S MADE CLEAR WE ARE PREPARED TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO ENSURE THAT THAT’S THE CASE. THE CHALLENGE IS OF COURSE WE CAME IN AFTER THE PREVISIT ADMINISTRATION HAD GIVEN THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC — AYATOLLAH, GIVEN HIM BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN ECONOMIC WEALTH WITH WHICH TO BUILD THESE VERY PROGRAMS AND AS YOU SEE, CHRIS, THEY CAN TURN THEM BACK ON LIKE THAT. ONE OF THE CENTRAL FAILURES OF THE JCPOA IS WHATEVER IT LIMITS THEIR WORK COULD BE TURNED BACK ON IN A MINUTE. WE SEE THIS. THEY MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW THEY ARE SPENDING CENTRIFUGES, HIGHER AND HIGHER ENRICHMENT RATES. THIS IS A CRAZY’S FAILED DEAL. OUR APPROACH IS BEEN VERY DIFFERENT, BUILD OUT ALLIANCES WITH THE GULF STATES, WITH ISRAEL, WITH ALL THE PARTNERS ON THE WORLD WHO UNDERSTAND THE THREAT OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS INSIDE OF THE MIDDLE EAST, INSIDE OF THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN AND TO REDUCE THE CAPACITY TO EXECUTE THAT, AND WE’VE DONE IT. IF WE CAN SEE IT WITH HEZBOLLAH. THEY HAVE FEWER RESOURCES. WE CAN SEE IT WITH THE MILITIAS IN IRAQ, THEY ARE SCRAMBLING FOR RESOURCES. WE THINK THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT WILL SHRINK, THEIR GDP WILL SHRINK BY AS MUCH AS 12 OR 14% THIS YEAR. THIS WILL REDUCE THEIR CAPACITY TO PURCHASE THE THINGS THEY NEED, THE EQUIPMENT THEY NEED, THE MATERIALS THEY NEED TO INFLICT TERROR AROUND THE WORLD. IF THAT’S PRESIDENT TRUMP’S APPROACH. I THINK WE’VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL SO FAR. TO BE ONE PRESIDENT TRUMP TALKS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF MEETING WITH IRANIAN PRESIDENT, POSSIBLY AT THE U.N. GENERAL ASSEMBLY LATER THIS MONTH, HERE HE IS.>>THERE INFLATION IS AT A NUMBER THAT FEW PEOPLE HAVE EVER SEEN INFLATION AT. AND IT’S A VERY SAD SITUATION. THEY COULD SOLVE IT VERY QUICKLY, WE COULD SOLVE IT IN 24 HOURS, BUT WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.>>Chris: BUT HE SAYS NO MEETING UNTIL ALL U.S. SANCTIONS ARE LIFTED FIRST AND PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS THERE’S NO WAY THAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT DO YOU PUT THE ODDS OF ERIC TRUMP SUMMIT THIS MONTH AT THE U.N.?>>Secretary Pompeo: I WILL LEAVE THAT TO THE FOLKS IN VEGAS. HERE’S HOW I KNOW WE WILL THINK ABOUT IT. PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL THINK ABOUT WHETHER IT’S APPROPRIATE TO MEET BASED ON WHETHER HE THINKS WE CAN GET AN IMPROVED OUTCOME FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. HE HAS SAID HE WOULD MEET WITH HIM WITH NO PRECEDING P HIM WITH NO PRECEDING E HIM WITH NO PRECEDING O HIM WITH NO PRECEDING D HIM WITH NO PRECEDING T HIM WITH NO PRECEDING O HIM WITH NO PRECEDING S HIM WITH NO PRECEDING . END OF THE TUBES AND FROZE INSIDE THE GOVERNMENT. THERE ARE THOSE WHO THINK IT’S WIDE TO MEET, THOSE WHO CAN THINK IT WAS JUST KILL PEOPLE ON THE WORLD. MAKING SURE WE DO ALL WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THOSE THAT UNDERSTAND OF THE REVOLUTIONARY NATURE OF THE REGIME IS ON ACCEPTABLE AND THEY CUT OR CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR AND THAT AMERICA WILL NEVER PERMIT THEM TO HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON. THOSE INSIDE OF IRAN THAT UNDERSTAND THAT AND I THINK THE MAJORITY OF IRANIAN PEOPLE AS WELL. THOSE OF THE FOLKS THAT WE WANT TO TALK TO SO WE ULTIMATELY GET THE RIGHT OUTCOME. WE WANT A SUCCESSFUL IRAN. WE WANT THEM TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY OF NATIONS. YOU CAN’T DO THAT WHEN YOU’RE BUILDING MUSCLES THAT THREATEN EUROPE, THREATEN ISRAEL, AND BUILDING UP SYSTEMS THAT COULD ULTIMATELY CREATE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.>>Chris: FINALLY, YOU SPOKE AT KANSAS STATE UNIVERSITY ON FRIDAY, WHICH DID NOT EXACTLY DAMPEN SPECULATION THAT YOU MIGHT RUN FOR THE SENATE NEXT YEAR. WHICH IS BEEN OBVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT. IN FACT, JERRY MORAN, THE OTHER SENATOR, NOT THE SEAT THAT YOU WOULD BE GOING FOR POTENTIALLY, HAD TALKED ABOUT THE PROSPECTS OF YOU RUNNING THE OTHER DAY. HERE HE IS.>>WOULDN’T BE SURPRISED THAT HE WOULD ENTER THAT RACE AND I THINK YOU WOULD BE A GOOD, SOLID CANDIDATE THAT WOULD HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT IN KANSAS.>>Chris: ‘S TO HAVE MORAN’S ENDORSEMENT. SOMEONE SAID THE OTHER DAY THAT YOU HAVE GONE RECENTLY FROM NO TO NO COMMENT. YOU CERTAINLY ARE NOT SHUTTING THE DOOR.>>Secretary Pompeo: THAT WAS VERY KIND OF THE SENATOR. I APPRECIATE THE VOTE OF CONFIDENCE AND I KNOW HE WAS TRYING TO BE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL, AS WAS SENATOR McCONNELL VARIED>>Chris: HE SAYS ARE HIS NUMBER ONE CHOICE.>>Secretary Pompeo: LET’S BE CLEAR, I’VE GIVEN US A MESSAGE FOR THE ENTIRE TIME UP AND ASK ABOUT THIS. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKING ABOUT THIS OR FOLKS LIKE YOU, AND THAT’S JUST FINE. I’M FOCUSED ON WHAT I’M DOING EVERYDAY, SO LONG AS PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTS ME TO BE HIS SECRETARY, THAT’S WHAT I’M INTENT UPON. I’VE GIVEN IT A LOT LESS THOUGHT THAN IT SOUNDS LIKE OTHERS MAY HAVE.>>Chris: ONE LAST QUESTION IN THIS REGARD AND I WILL LET HER GO BECAUSE I KNOW IT’S WHAT YOU WILL SAY, I WANT TO DO IT PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTS ME TO DO. WHAT IF PRESIDENT TRUMP COMES TO YOU BECAUSE OF JERRY MORAN, BECAUSE OF MITCH McCONNELL EARLY NEXT SPRING AND SAYS YOU KNOW WHAT, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU COULD DO FOR ME IS TO RUN FOR THE SENATE TO HOLD THE SENATE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY, THEN WHAT WOULD YOU DO?>>Secretary Pompeo: GOODNESS KNOWS. THESE ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO ANSWER BECAUSE I SPEND, AS YOU CAN SEE, I SPEND EVERY WAKING MOMENT TRYING TO DELIVER AMERICAN DIPLOMAS AROUND THE WORLD. GOING TO KEEP DOING THAT SO LONG AS I’M DOING THIS WE WILL SEE WHAT LIFE BRINGS ON THE NEXT THING IN LIFE APPROACHES.>>Chris: AND WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR HONORING THE SERVICE OF SERGEANT BARRETO. WE ALL HOLD HIM IN OUR HEARTS, WE ALL HOLD THE HEARTS OF HIS FAMILY, YOU TELL ME HIS DAD WAS IN THE MILITARY, OTHER RELATIVES IN THE MILITARY, TERRIBLE LOSS.>>Secretary Pompeo: THANK YOU, IT WAS A TERRIBLE LOSS. THANK YOU FOR HONORING HIM BY BRINGING THIS BACK UP, A TRUE