Operation Innocence – Political Hot Potato – Shabbat Night Live – 9/13/19


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a political hot potato. A terrible situation no one
in government wants to touch. So, our guest tonight took
matters into his own hands. Over the last several years he has served as a lead tactics instructor and conducted several child
trafficking rescue missions around the world. Ex-Navy SEAL David
Lopez joins us this week because it’s the end of the
sixth day, the sun has set and this is Shabbat Night Live. (upbeat music) – As they take this
message out into the world. (applause) – Hey Shabbat shalom Torah fans. Welcome to Shabbat Night
Live with Michael Rood. Tonight we welcome back David Lopez, he’s a former United States Navy SEAL who became disillusioned
with political wars. He is a true warrior and
a believer who is looking for a righteous fight, man he found one rescuing children from the
nightmare of sex trafficking. You will soon witness episode three of Operation Innocence
in just a few minutes. But first we are on the second Shabbat of the biblical month of Elul. This is the sixth
biblical month of the year which means the Fall Feast of the Lord are just around the corner. The Fall Feasts of the
Lord are pretty much all over the seventh month
and we have something special that you can get this month in preparation for the Fall Feasts. We’ll get into that in just a minute. But in the meantime if
you’d like to keep track of the Fall Feasts, what
they mean and what day they happen according to the
biblical reckoning of time which is not the modern Jewish way, which does not line up
with scripture, by the way, you can get the astronomically and agriculturally corrected
biblical Hebrew calendar at aroodawakening.tv/calendar. Now speaking of Fall Feasts, we have a very special love
gift to talk about this month and I wanna bring on someone
who helps answer your questions on the phone about the Fall Feasts and what it means to explore
the Hebrew roots of your faith. Maybe you’ve even spoken to
her personally on the phone. Please welcome the
Partner Services Liaison for A Rood Awakening
International, Tiffany Marmol Welcome.
– Shabbat shalom, Scott. – Shabbat shalom.
– How are you? – Well, very well, thank you. You know we’re getting
to that time of year there’s just a few weeks
before the Fall Feasts begin, begin with Yom Teruah which is what we’ll talk about a little bit later with our love gift. But do folks call you and
ask you what the Fall Feasts are all about? – All the time and it’s so amazing, I’m so excited for the Fall Feasts because I think prior to
coming into Hebrew roots, I would try to extend
summer as long as possible and now the summer’s like,
okay, I’m ready for fall. I’m ready for the feasts and
it’s just such an exciting time and when people call and ask questions we’re excited to share with them, what they mean and just
go through the process of yeah, we kind of have to
wait ’till we sight the moon and that whole thing. – And that’s so exciting when people begin to understand the correlation
that when Yeshua said no man knows the day or the hour but you will know the season. That’s exactly what Yom Teruah’s about ’cause we don’t know until
we sight the new moon because if you don’t know
that’s what we do here to well not just here but that’s what they did in biblical times, right? – Exactly. – To start the new moon, or
start the new month, rather, they would have to wait until they actually see the first
sliver of the new moon and only then could they declare, okay this month has officially started. And Yom Teruah is the
first of the Fall Feasts, it’s the only holy day
that appears on a first day of a month like that. So you literally have to wait to see, no man knows the day or the hour but you will know the
season and you’re supposed to be ready and watchful and waiting and that’s what we’re
supposed to do as believers. – Exactly, exactly and it
makes you depend on the father. It’s like, okay you can’t
make plans until it’s his time and it’s so encouraging,
every single month to wait for the sliver of the new moon but more so when Yom
Teruah’s coming I feel like, that changed my faith completely learning of that.
– Speaking of changing your faith, so I think
you’d mentioned to me before the camera’s came
on that David Lopez, why so many people love David Lopez is because he is taking the excitement of a newfound chapter of his faith, not a new faith, this is not a new faith other than when you grew up knowing Yeshua or Jesus.
– The practicing, yeah, the practice of it. – Yeah, as messiah, he’s still messiah but it’s so much deeper,
there’s so much more that you’re missing out
on when you discover that that’s what’s so exciting
about this ministry that Michael brings out. – Exactly. – And David is now
taking that and literally taking it into the battlefield. He will actually recite
the Aaronic blessing before they go into a raid. Is that exciting? – That’s amazing. He was wonderful when
he came in you can tell that the spirit absolutely goes before him wherever he goes and
it’s just amazing to see how people are standing up for their faith and sharing it with
others and taking charge of this world the father created. – When David came in here,
he’s a giant of a man, I mean, you can’t really
see that when he’s sitting here on the stage but when he was walking around the office, this
is a warrior’s warrior, I mean, it’s no– Like a modern day superhero. – He is, he’s a modern day superhero and it’s no wonder that he was a Navy SEAL because this guy, you just wow, you wouldn’t wanna come
across him in a dark alley. And it’s amazing to me
’cause I think about well, what with his long
hair, he’s currently doing a Nazarite vow, that’s
what the hair is about, so he’s growing his hair
out and he’s literally taking a Nazarite vow. And if you wonder what that’s about you can look at it in the Bible. That’s what Paul was doing
when he went to sacrifice, yes Paul did sacrifices
because he was helping those who were coming
out of the Nazarite vow to do their sacrifices after which and he did it to prove,
yes, he’s not preaching against the Torah and that type of thing, so that’s the background
behind that story. But getting back to David,
he’s doing this right now and he reminds me of Samson. – Yes, exactly, that’s
exactly what I was gonna say, he really is, I mean, obviously Samson had his own issues but David
is practicing his faith, he’s taking, the father
obviously has a mission for him in mind and we’re
all called to do something and it’s just amazing,
it really empowers us. I feel like Michael’s message empowers us because it’s like, okay
stop being pew warmers, get up and do something
and David’s doing that. – Yes and a way that you
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those burning questions. Jesus broke the Sabbath,
how can that be possible if he’s the messiah? Three days and three nights doesn’t add up with Good Friday
– Exactly, the traditional, and Easter Sunday.
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more, what do we have here? – We have this shofar
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were just talking about and it is just beautiful
and I know that these come out of Israel.
– Yes they do. They do and that is a ram’s horn shofar, it literally is a ram’s horn,
this is not a plastic piece of any kind, this is a
literally a ram’s horn. – My kids have some plastic ones. (laughs) And I believe this is
also comes with a shofar. – Yes, that’s with $100 or more and then for $300 or
more we’ll get all that plus these two books, one
of which is in your hand. – Yes, this one when I saw
it, I was just so excited because again physical
for me that’s gonna bring this faith to life is just a
great way to share with others and it’s exciting for me. So these are all replicas
of I guess temple time or throughout history, just Bible coins and coins that are mentioned in the Bible so the widow’s mite is in there. It’s just wonderful to
see and it’s something that I think for younger
people or children for me, like this would be exciting
to share with my children ’cause then they’d tie the
Bible and make it real for them. – Yes, especially since
you can take the coins out. – And we’re also supposed
to be like children so I feel like, it’s exciting for anyone. – Absolutely, all right. And you also get another
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that in just a second here but thank you for joining
us today, Tiffany, I really appreciate it and
coming up, David Lopez. He’s a former United States Navy SEAL. He became disillusioned
with political wars, true warrior, believer, he was looking for a righteous fight, he got it, rescuing kids from the
nightmare of sex trafficking. This is the third episode
in our four episode series coming up with Operation Innocence. And we have you to think for it because you bring this
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inherited from Babylon through Constantine have us occasionally with a little plastic cup
and a little round wafer in a church service having
what is called communion. But Yeshua was not having
communion with his disciples, it was the last meal
before his crucifixion which happened at the
times the Passover lands were being sacrificed
the following morning. Yeshua took this opportunity
to explain something that had been embedded
in the Israelite culture for then over a thousand years. Melchizedek brought forth
bread and wine to Abraham and he blessed the most high saying (speaks in foreign language). Blessed are you, Yehovah, our
Elohim, king of the universe who brings forth bread from the earth. Yeshua said this represents my body which will be broken for you. As often as you do it, you
do it in remembrance of me. And so we break this bread and we do it in remembrance of him. Likewise, Yeshua took the cup
and he blessed the most high with that blessing, that
Melchizedek blessed the most high. (speaks in foreign language) Blessed our you, Yehovah, our Elohim, the king of the universe, the creator of the fruit of the vine. Yeshua said this represents my shed blood which will be poured out
for the remission of sin. I will not drink another drop
of the fruit of the vine. You take my cup and
divide it among yourselves because I won’t drink it until
I drink it again with you in my father’s kingdom. The marriage supper of the
lamb, Yeshua will lift this cup and he will say, (speaks
in foreign language) to life everlasting and until then we remember what he’s done and remember that marriage
supper of the lamb, get ready. (rock music) – We are back this week
with my special guest, former Navy SEAL, Dave Lopez. David Lopez began his
journey as a preacher’s son and finally ends up in Baghdad
when he has a rood awakening. David take us back to
Baghdad and then back into the United States as
things to continue to happen, as the awakening continues
to happen in your life. – Well, again Baghdad was
an eye opening time for me where I was piecing
together a lot of things, there was a lot of depression
I was going through during that time. I loved the mission I was
doing, I loved the men that I was with but the more you start to understand the politics
behind the more difficult it can be become from a moral standpoint. And so that was a big challenge for me but also I was just really hungry, I was really searching,
I found your videos and it was definitely,
it connected so many dots so quickly that I just had
never felt a sense of connection with the scriptures. I had never, it was always for me, Bible stories as you’re
growing up as a kid you hear a few Bible
stories about King David slaying Goliath. – As a preacher’s son you
heard endless Bible stories. – Yes, yes. – And stories, a lot of them they were. – Stories, it’s like all of
us in the Christian world, we get all of the child’s stories but we don’t get anything concrete, there’s no, the moral
teachings, all of those things, I was largely ignorant
to but wanting to learn. And so that was really what it was, I was drinking through the fire hose, just at that point, I
was soaking it all in. I head back and the next
two years of my life, I was in Virginia Beach and that’s where I joined
the messianic synagogue and I felt to myself I don’t know anyone with this belief structure around me. And so I wanted community and I did, I met some amazing people in this messianic Jewish
congregation, phenomenal people. I got to connect with them
and we had a common interest in the Torah and for me this was just an amazing opportunity. But the more I was there, I started to realize these concepts that were being taught,
’cause I started out with the, I started looking
at the different examples of Yeshua disagreeing
with Pharisees and Rabbis and all of a sudden the story was kinda changing a little bit, the story was more, no he really was a rabbi and he, well of course, he was a
rabbi but they’re saying he was a Pharisee and really he was just like the other Pharisees of his day and this is why we need
to do this tradition and we need to pray the prayer this way and this has to be done in this way so again.
– And then there’s a common misconception, there’s a book Jesus the Pharisees, and it’s like how clueless is that concept but this is the world that you’re in, this is kinda the basis of it, Jesus was a Pharisee and. – And it’s like he, a lot of
times they would highlight, I think is it Matthew 23
where they’re talking about do as they do, do as the Pharisees do and I would see that
one verse and of course if you read the whole chapter, it’s probably the most
damning verse for a Pharisees, I mean the entire Bible but yet they pull this
one little part out of it do whatever they say they do and of course after your studies I realize
it’s not what they do, it’s clearly what
– What they say. he says, what he says. – Which is Moses, referring to Moses. – Referring to Moses’
seed so not the connection to doing what they say
but doing what he says. So I realize that but even
if that wasn’t the case, nobody can read that one
verse and think in one hand, he’s saying do what the Pharisees do but they’re all hypocrites,
do what the Pharisees say but they’re all hypocrites
and they’re awful. I was like, none of that
context makes sense anyway. So, to me I was just using my own logic in a lot of your teachings
and I was listening to these people propping up this idea and I was like there’s no,
this is the exact same concept just the reverse. In Christianity we were not
practicing a lot of these laws because of replacement theology but now we were adding all
these extra things to it and the one thing that I
gleamed from your teachings is and this is what is
concrete in my mind, only God can create
laws, plain and simple. No one else has that right. So if you add to it, you subtract to it, you’re already out, it’s
just that simple in my mind. So that was eventually what
kinda started to lead me out of it in a very, not in a negative way towards the people,
again, wonderful people but I was just, to me I was just like, this is the same issue and this is the same religious problem that I experienced in Christianity. – A lot of people when they
find all of the paganism that is embedded in modern churchianity, Christianity and they see
that they wanna reject that and it’s right because this is what the almighty calls abominations, don’t learn the way of the heathen, don’t learn how they
worship and serve their gods and say you’re doing the
same thing and do it for me. Don’t even let the names
of pagan gods like Easter, the bare breasted fertility
goddess of Babylon, don’t even let it come out of your mouth. And so a lot of times, it’s
like okay, I’ve been lied to my whole life, I’ve been
given a lot of traditions so they go right over
into rabbinic Judaism or the sort of the
messianic version of that which is messianic Judaism
but it’s Phariseeism again. – It’s the same exact issue,
I mean, that’s at hand and the frustrating thing with it is it’s repeating we want
a home, that’s the thing, we want a family and we want a home. And so we jump into something and we have one connection
point which is the feast, I love that they kept the
feast in some fashion, that was new to me having people around me that do the same thing that created a great sense of community. – Not a lot of Feasts of
Tabernacles in Baghdad, I take it. – Not so many, not so many
being celebrated right now. But it was, this was a time in my life, I look back on it and I’m not
trying to be overly critical, it was an amazing time
in my life in many ways but it also let me know there’s
one thing to have fellowship and desire for fellowship is a good thing but there’s no need in my mind, I have fellowship with
all kinds of people now so I don’t feel the need to
join a particular organization or religion in order to have fellowship, I just choose to have it with
whoever, whoever’s out there. – [Michael] Whoever’s. – Yeah, so that was a new thing. – Whoever you come across on the street, I mean there’s a opportunity.
– Exactly, exactly. – Yeah, so let’s go
back and rehearse that. It is Matthew 23 which
this is the two days before the crucifixion and so I call this Yeshua’s
last sermon on the mount, it was the Temple Mount at that time. He said the scribes and
Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. They report to have Moses’
authority, therefore whatsoever they say it says in King James, they say, they bid you a command to do, that do and observe. – Right. – But do not after the works because they say and they do not. But we find that in the
ancient Hebrew Matthew it clarifies this very thing that works with the entire context. The scribes and Pharisees
sit in Moses’ seat. There is a Moses seat in every synagogue. When they sit in that seat they can make (speaks in foreign language) they can make laws which
change biblical law and it has the same
authority as what Moses spoke from Mount Sinai, that’s the premise. So Yeshua said the scribes and pharisees sit in Moses’ seat, whatsoever he says do but do not follow their
(speaks in foreign language) their laws which change biblical law and their (speaks in foreign language), their actions which serve
as a legal precedent for proper behavior because they say, they say they follow
Moses but they don’t do what Moses says to do. And then he goes on
just a few verses later he says they cross these Pharisees, cross land and sea to make one convert and then turn in two
fold into the son of hell then themselves. It doesn’t sound like a tacit endorsement of everything they say
to do and command to do. – Yeah, you should still do
what they say though, right, that’s the thing that makes no sense. – Right, right. – The context makes
zero sense if Jesus is, if Yeshua is telling us not
to do what these hypocrites are doing, I mean. – That’s right and
that’s why we clarify it because from the Hebrew Matthew,
we’ve got the manuscripts of the ancient Hebrew Matthew
and it says specifically do what Moses, what he says to do and do not follow the
(speaks in foreign language), these manmade rules and
regulations of the Pharisees, so this is a revelation
that is coming to you that it’s really making sense, so how does that play out
– This stuff. as far as your Christian upbringing and now you’re saying a different Yeshua, the real Yeshua, I would say. – It is the first time in my life that I had a deep, deep
connection with Yeshua because my whole life was
one thing after another was leading me down this
path of seeing how false and how pretentious a lot of religion was and how most of it in essence is just how can we convince the
surrounding people around us that we’re spiritual. Most of it is very much, very much a show.
– A show. – And so regardless of
whether it’s Phariseeism or Christianity whatever it is, in any organized religion
I would go so far as to say a lot of people care
a lot about their perception from their peers. And that usually is what
comes first for most people and the one thing that I
connected with Yeshua on he wanted to make it directly
about your relationship with the father and the
organizations of his day were trying to keep the
people running around, doing as many things as they could, I would see it’s a power grab, right and that’s a control factor,
keep people within your. – Put a ring in their
nose, follow these rules and you’re okay. – It’s not unique to Jews at all, it goes on in every single
religion, so this is not. – No we’re both Baptist,
we can relate to that. – Yeah, it happens the same
way in every single religion and I think this is the
most impactful message of what Yeshua stood
for that he even said. So it’s like when people,
when I thought of Jesus growing up, the idea was really he just did everything for me and
I don’t have to do anything, that was the feeling I had,
I’m so thankful for that. But I never saw the revolutionary, I never saw the one upending the system strategically from within
using miracles to show how bogus these concepts are. – Okay, well, expound
on that, the miracles and really what caught your attention as you’re watching
Yeshua’s ministry unfold, the gospel of the kingdom
is both what he did in word, what he said in word and what he did. Everything he did is the
gospel of the kingdom, every confrontation with the Pharisees, every slug out that he had with them, this is the gospel of the kingdom, this isn’t the mamby-pamby
sweet baby Jesus. – He was very pointed
and I never noticed it, actually most of his miracles
when I saw him telling a man to take up his bed and walk, you know how I interpreted that, okay that’s Jesus because we’re
not the Sabbath’s no longer. That’s why he did that to show them. – On the Sabbath day that he told this man to take up his bed and walk. – In my interpretation
was that’s because Jesus is above the law and he
doesn’t need the law anymore. Didn’t realize that was never God’s law. (laughs) – Right, right.
– So. – And most people don’t,
they do not realize that this is a law
enacted by the Pharisees and that there are ways to circumvent it but this man couldn’t
circumvent these laws. – Exactly. – Because he couldn’t
walk the previous day. They could have picked,
they could have carried anything that they needed to but he couldn’t because he couldn’t run around their laws the day before because he couldn’t walk. And so Yeshua, he’s not
breaking the Sabbath, he’s not telling this man
to break the Sabbath is he? – No not at all, he’s very
much wanting to make a point with his miracle because
can you imagine the amount of people talking about this
miracle once it’s happening and then he says. – Oh yeah, this is the day
before Shavuot Pentecost. – That’s right, yeah. – It’s a the Sabbath
before, the seventh Sabbath of the counting of the omer and Jerusalem is full of hundreds of
thousands of people. Pharisees are all over this
area and they know the rules. And so when Yeshua tells him to pick up your bed and walk. – Walk right past those
Pharisees over there, see what they say. (laughs) – He’s telling them to
deliberately break Pharisee law right in front of these people. – Yes and that puts the
Pharisees in a difficult spot. Do they criticize a
miracle that just happened in order to protect the institution? – No, the next day it says
he’s up on the Temple Mount and they’re already making
plans how to kill Yeshua. – Exactly, exactly. – That’s the miracle that it was done in front of so many people, it’s like, we’ve gotta kill them,
we’ve gotta kill them. This is it. And Yeshua refers to this
when he comes up later at the Feast of Tabernacles,
I do one miracle, for that one miracle
you’re trying to kill me. – And they knew the
signals he was sending, they knew he was signaling the end of their religious structure and so they were like, we
need to get out ahead of this, we cannot let the people swell around this and he just kept doing. The other example I
was thinking of earlier was the man born blind. Of course there’s a very, very interesting messianic prophecy about the man who will
restore sight to the blind but the more pointed thing
that you highlighted for me was that he mixed mud and
saliva to heal the man and I never.
– He put it on his eyes. – I always thought growing
up it seemed a little bit like a magic trick I was
like why would he have, I mean, anyone else he
just puts a hand on. – It’s great to hear from your perspective because okay here’s a Baptist pastor, it sounds like a magic
trick and it’s like, oh no, this is so much greater
than a magic trick. – Well, it makes it sound, honestly when you’re being critical it
makes it sound a little hokey, it’s like why he put this on
and it doesn’t make any sense. – Okay, explain to people
because there’s a lot of people out there that don’t know this. They look at it’s the same thing. What is this magic trick that he’s doing, what is he doing when he does this? What miracle that proves
that he’s the messiah according to the prophet Isaiah? – He’s showing them, he’s
fulfilling a key messianic passage but he’s breaking three
separate traditions at the same time. – Now traditions, these are actually (speaks in foreign language),
these are laws of Pharisees put in place,
– Not the law, yeah. that if you deliberately break these laws according to the Pharisee
law, you will have no part in the world to come. And so what does he do? – He mixes saliva, again
illegal on Sabbath to do, he mixes mud, illegal, one
of the primitive actions that was ruled against
and then he tells the man to take his. (laughs) – [Michael] And then
he puts it on his eyes. – That’s he puts it– – The saliva on his eyes. – And so if anyone was watching
this from their perspective to do those two things and then heal a man and that healing to be the one prophecy that they were looking, a
very significant prophecy of being able to restore
sight to the blind, that blew the lid, I believe wide open and I think that was
and then on top, I think for the sugar on top,
I think he asked them to take his bed, didn’t he ask him to. – No, no, no, no.
– No he didn’t that was a separate one. – No he sent him down to the pool of Siloam
– That’s right, which is more
that’s what it was. than a Sabbath day’s journey.
– That’s what he did, that’s what he did. – So, first of all he
makes mud on the Sabbath which is creating something,
prohibited by Pharisee law. He then, he uses spit to do it and it is absolutely expressly forbidden in the Talmud, documented in
The Chronological Gospels, it is forbidden to put
saliva in one’s eyes on the Sabbath. So what does he do, he
puts saliva on his eyes and then tells him to walk more
than a Sabbath day’s journey to wash when there are, there’s
a two million gallon cistern up on top of the Temple Mount. It’s right underneath. There is plenty of water,
at least two million gallons in this one cistern and yet he sends them more than Sabbath day’s journey to wash. Is Yeshua violating the Sabbath, no, he’s showing that their
rules and regulations have no authority and almighty
God is endorsing Yeshua in what he’s doing. – And that is, this is the most clever way of undoing a system that you could ever, I mean, obviously it’s
supernatural, right, but I mean, but it’s
very, instead of him being this lovey-dovey figure that
just hands out blessings to everyone willy nilly, he is this, he is attacking people
suddenly with miracles and he’s attacking the institution, the institution he’s
attacking them with miracles. They’re not just these random acts of, he wanted of course to help the person but every time he used
that as an opportunity to expose what was going on,
sending the people a message and the people knew that
message and the people were starting to have that
ground swell around him and I believe it’s the
same mission we have today. I believe this is really what the point of if you’re going to follow Yeshua and everything he believed in
was upending religious systems that add or take away
from the commandments if that’s what he believe in, if that’s what he died for, right, then what on earth are
we doing in his name? – Right, he said you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. – That’s right, set us free
from what, manmade religion. That is his message, that’s his life, that is the gospel of the kingdom. And that is what, ladies and gentlemen, that is what Yeshua said. Go out into all the
world and make disciples and teach them what I taught you. Most of the Christian
world doesn’t even know what Yeshua taught. They don’t understand that he’s
never violating the Sabbath he is violating the manmade
rules and regulations of men. We are doing what Yeshua said to do. Get the gospel of the
kingdom that he taught out to the world, deliver
the people from the prisons of religion and from
slavery, deliver them, set them free, you know
why, the day of vengeance of our God is about upon us. We are proclaiming the day
of vengeance of our God because the almighty judge will return to rule the earth and we either
get our act together now, do what we are supposed to do now or you can kiss it all goodbye. Stand with us as we get
the gospel of the kingdom out to the world, we’re gonna
keep teaching the truth, preaching the truth, setting people free and if you want to be part
of what almighty God is doing in this day and time, I
would ask you to join us. Support this ministry with your tithes, with your offerings, with
your special offerings because we are only able
to get out to the world because of the faithful support
of those who stand with us, who go out of their way, again there’s no offering
plate being passed around your living rooms or in the internet cafes where you’re sitting. You’ve got to go out
of your way to find us but there is a reward for those who give because it will be then given unto them. Good measure, shaken
together, pushed down, running over shall men
give unto their bosoms. You as a provision for
people in this time, the almighty will be a provision for you when the brooms stone hits the fan. You’ve got two minutes,
we’ll see you back here then. (inspirational music) We are back with former
Navy SEAL, David Lopez exploring the gospel of the kingdom as it is unfolding to
him while he is still a SEAL teammate in the
United States military. David, take us, continue
on this journey here. – Well, I’m realizing all
of these provocative things that Yeshua’s doing and how he’s upending really the religious system of his day and I just can’t as I reflect back on all these different things
that were blowing me away ’cause each time I found out
something new about Yeshua it expelled a myth that I
used to believe about him and I’ll give you an example. The Sabbath, as a Christian
I believed that Jesus was above the Sabbath and he
is sometimes I would say things like he is our Sabbath now but however I phrased it, it
was always no more Sabbath, ’cause of Jesus. That was what I thought, I still– – Do you have an example
of that very thing? – I do and the one
example from the gospels that I always that I thought
was the linchpin argument for this was when his
disciples were sent out to pluck heads of grain
and then he purposely had them do it and the rabbis
immediately accused him of having his disciples break the Sabbath. And every time I heard this passage– – [Michael] May they
say, they’re doing that which is unlawful on the Sabbath.
– Unlawful, right and I remember every
time I heard this passage from the pulpit the story was
of Jesus being our Sabbath and this is why we need to
accept him because we never could keep the Sabbath the way
the father wanted us. That was kind of the logic. – It really is comedic as you say it but I can relate to that,
I know that mindset. I was raised with it. – So it was but it turns
out after I studied what he was actually
doing it’s the opposite and you find out once again
there’s a manmade tradition that he was exposing and this
one was the sifting command so again, he’s purposely
sending his disciples out in front of the Pharisees
to sift heads of grain knowing exactly what those
Pharisees were saying. – To explain, those who
are not that familiar with the Talmud is that
the Pharisees made a law which really made it
impossible for the poor to eat on the Sabbath. – Right. – Because the Torah says that the poor could go through your grain fields, they can go into your orchards and all and they can eat a meal. They can’t harvest, they
can’t take their apron full of apples and take it to
market or take it home with them but no, they can
eat a meal in your garden, in your vineyard anywhere at any time and so they made a law
which prohibited the poor from being able to eat on the Sabbath day, that’s what this is all about. And so what they said
and the prohibition was and what they were violating is that when they plucked the
grains they were harvesting, when they rubbed the grain in their hands and blew the chaff away they are winnowing and then when they chewed
the grain they were grinding. So with those three things
they are violating Pharisee law but their law was meant incarcerate people and so they had to depend on them. They had to depend upon the government, the governing agencies
in order to even eat. – I’m sure they were quick
to step in with the solution to that problem too. (laughs) – Oh, right, right, right,
I’m sure they had a soup line that all they had to do was
get the mark of the beast and they get right in the soup line and go from there, okay. (laughs) But there is it’s that
without understanding first century Phariseeism
you can’t really can’t understand the gospels. – No, I was reading a
completely different story. I was honestly reading
something through a lens that just, and it’s funny because
I never saw it at the time and I was never taught to
see it or it was innocent, I wasn’t innocent, I wasn’t
trying to be negative towards the Sabbath, I just thought this is what he represented. – And now you go to a
messianic congregation and most messianic Jews,
they are like Christians, they show up to church three times a year, they don’t know anything about the Bible, they really have never read the Talmud so they have no idea what
Yeshua is actually breaking. They haven’t even studied their own books. They wanna call the head guy rabbi but most of the messianic congregations, the rabbi which Yeshua said
don’t call anyone that, they’re basically, from (mumbles), they’re Baptists who went to
a messianic conference once and they have no background in this and that’s why it’s so important
to understand the history of the culture in which Yeshua was sent. He arrived in a culture
that for 300 years, we’ve got the raise the
rabbis that go back 300 years. Their rules and regulations
were well documented and we know exactly what he was breaking with every miracle he did because he was breaking Pharisee law, that’s why I keep the
Talmud here in the office, I have a searchable Talmud on my computer because we need to know these things, we need to know that we are not bound by the rules and regulations of men. If anyone is added to the Torah or subtracted from the Torah,
they are a false prophet. It is a false religious system. That’s what Phariseeism is and unfortunately our Jewish brothers who become messianic
believers just a lot of times just don’t get it but that’s
why we’re here to help them. – But you know the underlying, the real, the heart of this issue is
about individual free thought. That’s what at stake and
individual free thought is the key to relationship, the inability to have that thought is
what’s keeping everyone away and the institutions in their
own ways are teaching everyone to conform to their thought, surrender your ability to reason and use your logic yourself. And that’s the true
heart of mental slavery that this is imposing. And this is the same fear that I had. Early on I was afraid
to bring the stuff up, I literally thought my
salvation was gonna be lost by bringing it up. So it snares your mind into the pretext of the theology itself
to where you’re afraid to even ask a question
and then you’re thinking to yourself now like
why would any good being that’s up there, someone’s up there, wouldn’t they want us to
think and truly choose them for own personal reasons as opposed to being coerced into it? – Right, free will you
would think that that is like the foundation of
the creation, free will. – Wouldn’t that be the point, I mean. – At whatever cost, free will
is protected by the almighty. – Right and so that’s
what’s really at stake, it’s people’s minds that are for sale and this isn’t for me it’s like, I don’t care anymore about,
you hear a lot of bickering in the Hebrew roots movement. There’s people that go online and they get a Hebrew degree in two months and then they go teaching
all the Christians, I’m the new Hebrew scholar, everyone follows them ’cause
they don’t know any better. It’s like and there’s all this,
we keep the Torah this way, well we keep Sabbath this way,
this is how we say the name, well this is how we say the name and everyone’s divided
on all these issues. They’re playing the same game
which is what they’re using is whatever belief, even
if it’s the correct belief, even if they have the truth, what they’re using it
for is to coral people into their corner to
surrender their thought, this is what we believe when you should be telling everyone, what do you actually believe? What is your, here’s evidence, like, it’s fine to show evidence but there’s people that create this idea that the people outside
of them are somehow in a lesser state or
somehow less connected or somehow and again we
start playing this game who can be on the inner, who’s the– – And that is a most accurate
definition of a cult. – Yes. – A cult is generally defined as anyone who doesn’t belong to our organization. They’re in a cult, okay.
– That’s a cult, those are cults, yeah. – But that, you really
defined a cult there. – Yeah, the Kool-aid is everywhere and people are drinking it. – Scott Laird informed
me of a new redefinition of the word university as
his daughter’s in university. And how they’re using it. Unit unified verse, we’re
all saying the same thing. Universe, university and this is actually what is said at the
orientation of this university. One verse, all saying the
same thing, wow is right. – My goodness. – Talk about a brain washing of America in that one verse is that there is no God, we’re just the result of
advert chance mutations appearing in a mechanical
universe without a God, with no creator, there are
no creator given rights there are only government given rights and what the government
giveth, the government freely taketh away. – It’s a cult within itself
and you can clearly see people subscribe to it and
they champion that idea without even understanding or
searching the idea themselves. You ever notice someone
that’s a very staunch atheist, the same way as a religious person, they will champion the concepts, they feel like they have top cover, they feel like it’s all
been well researched whoever they’re trusting
in, they don’t know, they haven’t researched it,
they’re just kind of lazy, they’re approach has been lazy. They’re saying, I’m just gonna
let my mind surrender it all to this person up here but I’m
trusting that they’re right and they go around saying look
we have science on our side. The same concept is what
we’re doing with religion. I think of my pastor but none of us know it’s why we get called,
it’s why when I got called in this stuff people would beat at me and my good friend was
beating me up and down with verses that I was
taking out of context to prove my point as a Christian, I was trying to say not
the law is done away with and here’s why and he would
say hey read the whole context every time, every time I went
back to read it I was like, oh man, just beat me,
just straight up beat me. – That’s it, that is the
awakening that a lot of people are having, it’s like,
not one verse answers, we’re not trying to justify our position, we’re not trying to build a theology by constructing one verse answers, the Roman road or whatever
you wanna call it. – I learned from this road. – Okay, we all know that, okay, we’re just gonna sing the verse
just as I am one more time. And with every head bowed
and every eye closed with no one looking around
and I see that hand brother. And we’re used to all these things that are compacted into
our religious system and we’re not reading into context. And I say the context
goes from Revelation one, excuse me Genesis One, Revelation 22:21, that’s the context, that’s
the whole revelation and it all fits together. If it doesn’t fit together,
apparent contradictions are usually in our
understanding, sometimes in our translation but we
can get by these things as we continue to think
and release ourself from manmade religion. – It’s amazing and I
just the scare tactics, the scare tactics were the
thing that were the hardest for me and so being able to break out, once I broke out of it, I was free, once I took one step out, I was
jumping completely out of it because I took that one
step out thinking I was gonna get struck by lightning and I didn’t and I was like, oh the father likes this, he wants me to ask these questions. – I am saying as we started just before we started the cameras rolling we were going out for like
45 minutes, it’s like, well why don’t we just
turn the cameras on then and record this whole thing
because we got so many things to cover but I’m seeing the
ark of the story of your life and this awakening that’s happening, you’re being called by the
almighty and from there you end up in Johannesburg South Africa and then something profound happens that actually leads you
out of SEAL Team Eight into the civilian world
as a civilian warrior. – Yes, remarkable experience
that I still don’t believe in and I can imagine some people not believing my story right now ’cause it sounds a little wild but a guy came up to me in
the Johannesburg airport, I was wearing normal
clothes, not military clothes and he said God told me to speak to you and he started explaining
his whole life to me and he asked me what I
believed and I was explaining my perceptions on the Hebrew roots and the Bible, I wasn’t going
into all this crazy detail but I was just letting
him know I believe the Old and the New Testament are
gonna come back together and you know people are
gonna be rejoined and Jews and Christians are gonna be rejoined and I believe in that
and I kinda referred to as Judah and Efrem as well, parallels to that kind of same story. I was telling him about this kind of stuff and he was very moved, I
got to meet his family, he invited me to come to Namibia with him and I found out that this
man’s a multi-billionaire, a very successful man throughout Africa, owns multiple gold mines, diamond mines, but he’s a very humble man, a praying man and it was something where I met with him and then one of his friends said something very remarkable to me and it was I needed to leave the military
because God was wanting to use me outside of it for his army. So I was, I didn’t know
exactly, I still don’t really know what that means but it was confirmed by two other people that
never met these people in other countries, they
said the same thing to me, so the first time I
was a little skeptical, I’m gonna be frank with
you, I’m very skeptical when people say things. – Like the Lord told me to tell you, okay, take yourself back and okay, let’s hear the divine revelation to see if you really have information
that only the almighty knows that you can impart so I
know that you’re authentic. This is a very tricky thing
in the Christian world, a lot of people will have words for you and it’s just right out of their own soul. This is what they wanna say
to make an impact on you. – And that’s honestly the
first time I heard it, actually the first time I
heard it in South Africa, I thought that was BS, I’m
gonna be frank with you, I was like, okay, then
another person said it in another country. Then another person said
it back in the U.S., then I started to listen,
okay and I still don’t know exactly what it means
but I believe, I believe there is a hole that
needs to be healed inside, not just the Christian world
and the Hebrew roots world but it’s the masculine side that the Torah is meant to be for men. Religion has stripped men of
the ability to be masculine and I don’t know how that infused in all the different sectors of religious but regardless, even in
the Hebrew roots movement, the Torah is simply about
warriors, plain and simple, citizen warriors, all the
heroes that we talk about, Elijah, Abraham, Moses,
we kind of distance this from their stories but
they were all warriors. Not at all times but they were all, the one thing that we
don’t resonate with them in our current life is they
were willing to be physical and men were meant to have
this calling be warriors and to uphold justice and
we don’t have that role, we’re not seeing that role so we’re bored. – Well, it’s really been
legislated away from men. – Yes. – Now the government has taken
over these God given rights of life, liberty and
the pursuit of happiness and now they’re constructing
to where they have really emasculated men, so the we can’t do what we’re supposed to do. – This is why all over Africa,
I’ve been all over Africa in my travels and right now
in certain parts of Africa, Islam is spreading so
quickly and not just Islam but a violent version
in some areas of Islam and what they’re doing is they’re using the warrior
component to draw men, men wanna be warriors,
they’re bringing out something inside men’s nature, right and it’s this warrior
calling and it’s working, it’s working, it doesn’t
matter how you phrase it, men all have this desire,
they all wanna be to stand up for things and have this backbone. It’s all apart of our nature
but we’re not getting it and this is why in our churches, this is why in our communities, what’s the percentage it’s
what 80% women in most cases, I mean, the men if they’re there
they’re sitting in the back not really when are we leaving, honey, I’m coming here for you and the kids. But there’s no engagement there. – Most of the commandments
in the Torah are for men. Some are just for children,
honor your parents. Some are just for women. Some are just for men, some
are just for Levites among men and some just for (mumbles) and some are just for the
high priest on one day a year, the commandment is concerning him. People think oh the Torah is
so hard, no, it’s not hard. – Not at all. – I mean, the very first
chapter in the gospels in Luke, both as Zechariah and
Elesheva they were blameless in all the commandments of God, in all the commandments
that they had to keep as sons and daughters of Aaron this was voluminous compared
to the average Israelite. But every Israelite was
responsible for him, for his family, for his
children, for their protection of his children, for
maintaining decency and justice, this was part of what was done. – Justice was meant to be
upheld by all of us collectively and we never, today, we
don’t get to experience that because we subcontract
that out to other people, they focus on that. – Right, right. – And now so we start. – Oh yeah, the police are gonna say that, we hired the police to save
us and they’re half hour away from a guy that’s busting
down a door with a gun. It’s like, okay, so we’re gonna, oh okay, we’ll just die in peace because we haven’t learned
a lesson of the right that have to keep and bear arms to protect our women and children. – Exactly, we don’t have that, I mean, that’s why the #metoo
movement has run so far, men do not protect women
anymore, there isn’t a culture of men that want to protect women. If there was a culture of men standing up there would be no room for this. – Okay, now you’re
getting my blood boiling. Ladies and gentlemen, you’ve
gotta next week come back, we’ve gotta continue on with this. We’ve got a fight to
fight, ladies and gentlemen and this is where the
gauntlet is being thrown down. This is not mambi-pampi Christianity, this is not whatever. We’re going back there,
if we’re gonna go back, if the Torah is really
written on our hearts, the Torah demands that men
stand up and do something and that is what we’re
going to tackle with. We have just had some great
news coming out of Washington and this next week, we’re
going to discuss it. So be back with us because righteousness is going to prevail or they’re gonna pry our cold, dead fingers off the Bible. I’d like to pray. As a matter of fact, Dave would you pray the Aaronic Blessing? – Yes, I would, be honored. (prays in foreign language) May Jehovah bless you and protect you. May Jehovah let his face shine upon you and be gracious to you, may he lift up his countenance upon you and give you shalom. – Shabbat shalom Torah fans. (speaks in foreign language) Have a good week and we’ll
see you right back here for the rest of the
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Operation Innocence – The Politics of War – Shabbat Night Live – 9/6/2019


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and we are on the first Shabbat of a new month on the astronomically and agriculturally corrected
Biblical Hebrew calender. We are on the first Shabbat
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sent out the 12 disciples, in pairs, and told them not
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read the famous phrase, I am sending you forth
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– Welcome, Tedd. How are ya?
– Thank you for letting me be here to talk about such a wonderful love gift this month. – Yes, and it’s all about Israel. I love the fact you’ve worn Israel colors. – That’s right.
– The tie and everything. – There they are.
– It’s great. It’s almost like it was planned. (laughing) But yeah, so the greater gift
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– This is something we’ve continued. You’ve encouraged us to
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– This is what everybody jumps on the bandwagon
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– Yes. – And what this is all
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radically conflicting social doctrines and increasing hostility toward Biblical truth, don’t we know that. – Yes indeed. – How do we patiently
endure in a world gone mad? This is, you know, the
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– And the bigger, the longer one’s called the, they call them the Yemenite shofar– – Yes.
– Those are from an African kudu.
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– That is just incredible. What else though, Scott? – Well, we’ve got a book of Israel. Some of the most famous sites in Israel, all kinds of wonderful information and we’re gonna have
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thank you for joining us today, Tedd.
– Appreciate it. – Thank you.
– All right, well, coming up, a man with
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was with His disciples, the last supper before the
Passover was sacrificed, He took bread and He took wine. He said before that Abraham
saw his day and rejoiced, but what does that mean, he
saw his day and rejoiced? Well, it was the Melchizedek,
the king of righteousness that brought forth bread
and wine to Abraham. He blessed the most high with a blessing that Abraham taught Yitzhak,
Yitzhak taught Yaakov, and is still spoken today
whenever bread and wine is served at a Jewish table, whenever it is Sabbath, especially around the world, the bread and the wine are brought forth with this blessing. (speaking in foreign language) Blessed are you, Jehovah El Elohim, king of the universe, the
creator of the fruit of the vine. And Yeshua then said, “Blessed
are you, Jehovah El Elohim, king of the universe who brings
forth bread from the earth. He said, “This represents my body, “which will be broken for you. “This represents my shed blood
that pays the sin penalty “because of the broken covenant.” As often as we do this,
as often as we do this, we do this in remembrance of Him. Break the bread, share the wine, and we do this in remembrance
of Him, until He comes. (dramatic music) (radio chatter) (dramatic music) (audience applauding) – Last week on Shabbat Night Live, I introduced David Lopez,
who is a former Navy SEAL, SEAL Team 8, and now is
engaged in delivering women and children from the sex trafficking that is going on in America
and especially in Haiti and engaging with groups around the world to deliver people from the oppressors. To deliver the oppressed
is really the byline of what David does, and
David’s story starts out as a preacher’s kid. David, from a preacher’s kid,
you finally end up in England, as we touched on last week, under the ministry of Derek Prince, one of my personal heroes– – Great man.
– And probably the only preacher that I really listen to. I listen to him hour by hour. You got to actually be with
the man to be in England and it was a life changing experience, your awakening for Israel in his ministry. – Yeah, I devoured Derek
Prince’s teachings, his books. All I was doing is reading and one time, one of my jobs that I had
was putting the labels on the little tapes
and the video cassettes that we going out.
– Oh my goodness. – I took all these little
jobs, and all the things going out in the world,
I was putting labels, and as I was doing these
little tedious tasks on my side time, all that would
be playing is his teachings, over and over and over again. It was a phenomenal,
phenomenal opportunity to just soak in some
amazing Biblical teaching. I never had it before. – That’s a way to brainwash yourself. – That’s right.
– As the scripture says, renewing your mind–
– Right, right. – That’s what it takes.
– Yeah. – We really have to wash our
brain from the religion– – Right.
– And the filth that we collected. This really led you
onto the mission field, down in Guatemala, which–
– That’s right. – I notice as you walked
around our office, you greeted so many people,
just speaking Spanish to them, because we have such a
large Spanish contingency. This is where you ended
up in your ministry. – Yeah, I was, I wanted to get involved. I wanted to get engaged with
the world and I went down and worked with a number of churches. You get to see a lot of the good things, but a lot of the very negative things that happen on the mission field, which is a lot of showiness,
a lot of people wanting to get accolades and get
people to raise support for things that very little support goes to a lot of those things that happen. I just saw team after team come down and this was actually a really,
really tough time for me. Because, I really thought that’s
where I was gonna find it. I was working in the
mountains with Mayans. – [Michael] The real poor, the real needy. – Mayan people, true ancient Mayan people that were receiving eye and ear clinics from the Peace Corps. These were people that
had need and everything, the majority of what I
saw was people wanting to have a story to tell back
home, look how well we did, but there wasn’t a lot actually happening on the ground for the people. And the people kind of
saw that and they played the game a little bit religiously. They made, they acted like
they were getting converted to things because they knew
that’s what Americans liked and they knew that would get more money. – Yeah.
– It’s something I saw that, for me, in such a moment in my life where I was looking so
hard for something real. I thought, if you’re gonna find it, it’s gonna be in some third world country somewhere, right. You’re gonna find real living. And I just saw this
horrible game that really, just put me in a very negative
place, for a number of years. – A lot of people forget about, you know, what they call them
in India, rice Christians. – Yeah.
– Wherever the food came from, that’s what they– – That’s right.
– That’s what they embraced, for the moment in time. But as far as really teaching
them, changing their heart, just didn’t happen. – No, it wasn’t really about that. It was about the constant
need to get more dollars to come down and I get that. Everyone needs finances
to make things work. But the way people do it and
the way that they’re selling, oh, look at this poor child and that’s the newsletter back home. But are they really the child? (laughing) That whole kind of game became just a very frustrating thing to see. It made me just, it also
made me ask more questions about my faith and say what is really, why are so many people
embracing this system, this model of pretensions
help that’s being given out. – Really, that was the onset
of, from wanting to work, and really working with one of the premier teaching
ministries of the world, now the disillusionment sets in to where, in the real world, what’s going on. How did that affect you? What turned in your heart? Where did you go from there? – This is right around the time where two things were happening. I was turning away from what I saw and the next thing I saw on
the horizon was the Navy. The Navy is where, years ago, I thought about becoming a Navy SEAL and this is where I made this decision, right around this time. I’m gonna become a Navy SEAL. I was out of shape, I
was a little bit fat, I smoked, and I had to completely change my entire life for one
year and become Iron Man. – Right, right.
– Within one year, to be able to complete to go after that. – That really is incredible. Going from the athletic
background for, perhaps, a professional football
player, to being overweight, giving up, basically– – Yes.
– Giving up on life. – Very depressed.
– And then, deciding to turn it around and
become a SEAL after all that. – That’s right. I chose to–
– You’re not a young man, at this point.
– No, when I joined the Navy, I was around 24 years old. – Oh my goodness.
– Yeah. – The recovery just isn’t
as fast at 24 years old– – No.
– As it was at 17, 18. – Most of the guys were the young bucks, were the 18 years old
and there was a few guys even older than me. They had a hard time, as well. – Yeah.
– But it was a tough decision, but, one thing, I was a
little bit disillusioned with my religion, but I
knew I needed to do this. With the SEAL time, I knew it
was something I needed to do. I had this sense of direction, but from a personal religious standpoint, I was pretty disillusioned. – Okay, so tell us, the
Navy, going into the SEALs, what’s it like? A lot of people don’t have any idea what the SEAL training is–
– Yeah. – What BUD/S is. So give us some background on that. Take us into the surf and
the sand, if you please. – BUD/S is a very, BUD/S is Basic Underwater
Demolition SEAL training. We call it BUD/S.
– So first of all, you enlisted in the Navy.
– That’s right. Went to boot camp. – That’s a four-year enlistment. – That’s right.
– Okay, at that point– – With a two-year
extension that was required if I go to SEAL training. They send me, if I meet the criteria, they promised me to send me
directly to SEAL training. And that’s really where your life changes, because you get thrown
into this environment where all these men, 300 men classed up with our initial group, to go through this course. And we ended up graduating, I think, somewhere around 35 guys.
– Okay, so now I have to, to tell people that
these 300 men, like you, spent a year in conditioning and– – Yeah.
– Most of their life, these are the Eagle Scouts.
– Yeah. – These are the guys that, all their life, they wanted to be a warrior. They were raised with a gun in their hand. – That’s right. – I remember–
– In the middle of Alabama. – Sixth grade, went to
a one room school house. John Eppi, Ivan Woodard and I, we got to take our rifles to school. We were always shooting, always hunting. We were trained to be warriors. This is the category,
the class of people that, their whole life were disciplined,
that wanted to do this. Perhaps, for a professional
football player. – Yeah.
– And so, out of the 300 that went
in, absolutely gung ho, we are gonna change the world, we are gonna fight for
righteousness and how many graduate from that first–
– Yeah. – Weeding out?
– Yeah, about 35. And a lot of that happens
in a week that’s typically around the fourth or fifth week. It’s called hell week. Hell week is designed
to be the place where you just level the students and you make them wish they had never come there. You don’t sleep for five days, you don’t, even if you wanna use
the restroom, you go, just standing where you are. You don’t go indoors. You are beaten, you’re wet
and sandy the entire time. – Yeah.
– At night, you’re in the ocean.
– And beaten, this is not a figure of speech. – Yeah. (laughing)
– No, no, it is physically to break you.
– Yeah. – If you can be broken,
they are going to do it. That’s their job, to break
you, because they don’t want, they don’t want innocent
bystanders in there. They want only the people
that wanna do this or die. – Everywhere you run during hell week, you have a boat on your head. This is why everyone’s
bald after hell week, ’cause that boats just
bouncing on your head. A lot of guys come out with neck injuries. And the other thing we have is logs. We carry these logs
around, these big logs. And I still have the scars on my hands from picking up those
logs with all the sand, every single time,
rubbing those same areas. It’s the little things, the
things that people don’t see when they look into hell week. The things that really bother guys, the first day of hell week,
they have you low crawl through the sand for
hours and you’re like, what’s going on here? This is so easy. What they’re doing is getting that sand into every single crevice that you have and they’re about to run you up and down, and they’re creating these
massive, massive chaffing spots– – Welts.
– Day one, everything is very, very scientifically, they have a structure. There’s a method to their
madness and it’s all the little things that they get you with. So they’re just testing you. It was tough for me because
I contracted pneumonia about three days before hell week. – Before hell week.
– Yes, yes. – So you’ve been in training for awhile. Now you contract pneumonia.
– Yeah. – Well, what’s that like? – It was very tough. When I first realized that’s what I had, I was, I showed up one day. This was a few weeks before hell week and I showed up for a Monday morning run, which starts at 3:00 a.m. Now, medical opens at six. So in order to get to medical, I had to do my early morning 3:00 a.m run, which I already knew I had pneumonia. Hardest run of my life. I finished with one second to spare. Had I not made it, I wouldn’t
have been in the program. So it was a due or die
run that I needed to do. So then, I finally
realize I have pneumonia. They say, well, we’re gonna let you start, but every single medical check, ’cause every day in hell week, you have three medical
checks that you go through. And they make sure that
we’re taken care of ’cause they’re really pushing us hard. And every time, the mental
thing for me is I thought, every single time, they
were gonna pull me out. The doc kept saying, “Dave, I
can’t let you go any further. “There’s too much fluid in your lungs.” Every time he listened, I begged him, let me go
another three or four hours. It really had me mentally thinking I was gonna be done any way. So it was a challenge. – So not to give up when
you had a medical condition of that severity–
– Yeah. – Where they’re almost
pulling you out by the hour. – That’s right. And guys, every guy has
his story for hell week. My story was that. I know guys that went through
with stress fractures, guys that went through with
fractures in their neck that made it all the way through. There’s guys that went
through a whole lot, and there’s really good
guys that were injured beyond repair–
– Yep. – To be able to continue training– – Right.
– That would legitimately injured, that really
could’ve been just as good of a SEAL as me or anyone else. – What people don’t understand,
that when that happens, these men pay for it at
the end of their lives. When they’re 50, they’re 60–
– Oh, yes. – They’re 70 years old.
– That’s right. – You don’t pay for it when you’re young. You can heal up from that.
– That’s right. – But you pay for it
at the far end of that. That is a lifetime, a
lifetime that goes into that, into the service of the country
to be your absolute best. That’s why the SEALs have my absolute, utmost respect as far as warriors, because getting just a glimpse
of what you went through, that’s just the beginning. That’s just hell week. – There’s another nine
more months after that, nine and 10 more months
of training to be done before you become a SEAL, after hell week. But it is one of those moments where they really whittle us
down, but I must say, also, I have tons of
respect for the Marine Corps and serve with a lot of amazing Marines. We have tons of mutual respect and synergy with the SEAL teams and the Marine Corps. – Amen, amen. Well, Semper Fi. – (laughing) Always, always faithful. – Let’s go. Okay, hell week, and
now we’re, we’re after, so tell us about the graduation, the duration of time. This nine month thing,
this seems incredible. – So yeah.
– Boot camp is only three months. This is nine months of absolute hell. – There’s a period where they have one more difficult wicket,
which is called pool comp, and I struggle with this one. It’s where they thrown you under water and they put this twin
80 tanks on your back and they let instructors
just maul you down there. They rip everything, all
your regulator comes out, everything’s flying around everywhere. And your job is to maintain
composure, hold your breath, wait for them to stop beating you up, and then put all of your gear back on while you’re holding your
breath, in a meticulous fashion. You have to do everything
in the right sequence, or else you fail. The moment that regulator
gets back into your mouth, they hit you again. And someone else…so it’s
a wild time under water. So you’re breathing
compressed air in a pool. If you shoot to the surface, you can get an arterial gas embolism, so it’s a very, very dangerous drill. It’s a very psycholgical
drill and this is probably the last real wicket. If you make it through pool competency, you’re gonna be a SEAL. That’s what everyone knows. After that, we do all the fun stuff. We learn how to shoot,
we learn to be snipers, we learn how to jump out of planes, we learn all the diving. We do all the cool, fun
stuff after we’ve proven that we can actually make it mentally. That’s what it’s really all about. – Wow, yeah, that is incredible. Now, now you’re actually
attached to a SEAL team. – That’s right.
– At this. So SEAL team eight.
– That’s right. – Okay, and so now, tell us about this, because now, bonding as a SEAL team, these are the guys that you’re gonna go into combat with. You’re not all going to live through this, through your experiences,
and there’s a real bonding, a real camaraderie. Not only that, but a love, a brotherhood to where
you’re going to willingly put your life in the line of fire. You’re gonna end up jumping on the grenade to save the other guy’s. – That’s absolutely right.
– And you know that. – Yep, that’s right. – How does this affect,
what’s your lifestyle? What is it like as a
member of SEAL team eight? – It’s fraternity like. The bond that we have,
we travel together all around the country, all around the world. We do training trips and
there’s a lot of fun to be had. The guys like to go out and be crazy and that environment was
very much what it was. There was some times when
people wanted to have group meetings, team
meetings in strip clubs. And that was, you know,
this is just the normal way. It’s not always like that for every team or every single platoon, but there’s this definitely
a pretty, you know… We’re living life thinking
the next deployment, this could be the end in some way. So you have this, kind of
have this let’s live now, while we can, feeling. It also is tied to our
brotherhood as well, where we’re all together. It’s kind of our form of bonding, too. – All right. Now this is kind of hard to maintain the Derek Prince–
(laughing) You know, that spiritual–
– Derek would not have approved.
– Excellence. So what’s going on with you
spiritually, at this point? – Derek would not have approved
for these couple years. The first two years, I was very depressed. Partially because I’m
seeing the politics of war, the way things are being fought. It’s not quite what you think
when you set off going in. That was a big part of it,
but the other part of it, was my own spiritual journey, which had, I was very, very distraught
at the things I’d seen. I didn’t really know what I believed. I had that moment of Derek showing me all these amazing things about Israel, but still something was,
something big was missing. It was actually in Baghdad, this is crazy, but in Baghdad, when we were on a, it was about my second
year in the SEAL teams. I stumbled upon one of your videos. – In Baghdad?
– In Baghdad. – Okay.
– We’re chasing down terrorists every night,
and in between that, when we had some down time, the only things to do were
play poker or play video game, Call Of Duty or look up different videos. What I was still trying to figure out and Derek Prince is the
one that planted the seed, what is this about Israel? What does all this mean? I was Googling different
things and I found a teaching, I believe one
of the first teachings I saw from you was about,
it was the one about the, the ark of the covenant. – Oh, yeah.
– I believe that was one of the first.
– The great secret of Solomon’s temple.
– That’s right. The great, that was one, you were going into some serious history. At first, I was like, what’s this guy? He’s dressed up and doing all these, what’s he doing? I was like, what is this. But I just listened to you and I said, “Oh my goodness, this man is
piecing some things together.” It was really the
changing point in my life. It was in Baghdad when I started to really devour your teachings. It was one after another and I was like, light bulbs were going
off all over the place. And all these things. I kept reading The Old Testament,
kept reading the Tanakh, going why doesn’t this line up with this, and why am I taught this. So you were just blasting
those out of the water as you like to do in your typical fashion, in a very flagrant way. I was like, well, look at this guy. I can’t believe somebody
is actually bold enough. ‘Cause in my mind, I felt like this was my own
secret journey, at this point. I felt like there was
no one else out there. I think a lot of people feel this way. I felt like no one else is
thinking like I’m thinking. In The Old Testament,
trying to make it more, trying to make it fit more into the new, and here you are, with
this whole blueprint for how it all fits together. For me, that was the beginning
of my spiritual healing. – David, we have to take a break before the flagrancy continues
on Shabbat Night Live. But we’re gonna be back right after this. Ladies and gentlemen, see, this is why we are doing what we do. This is why we put, after broadcast, we put all of our stuff, free
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at great expense to us, free to the world, because
one man in Baghdad, looking for truth, disillusioned
with the Christian world that he was raised with,
seeing the fraud that is going on in the name
of the God of heaven. And yet, we’re able to reach him. We’re able to reach our
service men around the world, because that is what we do. That’s what Yeshua said to do. And we can only do it
because you, out there, contribute to this ministry. A lot of you have grown up giving your 10% in the offering plate. We don’t have an offering plate to pass by and make you feel guilty. There’s nothing there. You can only contribute to this ministry by going out of your way,
by pressing the button and making a phone call. You’re the ones that can make a difference to people around the world, people like David, like
the SEAL team eight. You can make a difference, but
you have to take the action. Nobody’s gonna do it for you. You’ve gotta do it and now,
you’ve got two minutes, and that’s all you’re gonna get. If you don’t do it in these two minutes, this may be the last time that you get to see anything
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where we met David Lopez. A member of SEAL team
eight as he is in Baghdad, and the questions that
he had his entire life, growing up as a preacher’s kid, now are getting answered. I say to people, the video that he saw, The Great Secret of Solomon’s Temple, is the most important
video that I will ever do. I will never be as young,
I will never talk as fast, or say anything as important as what I do in that two and a half hour video concerning the hiding of
the ark of the covenant and the revealing of
the ark of the covenant and the confirmation of the covenant, spoken by the prophet, Daniel, Amos and James in the book of Acts that will transpire in the last days. And so, now, things
are all coming together and David has already been apprised of these things by Derek Prince in Israel’s part in end time prophecy. Now it’s all coming together for you. I’m so proud to be a part of that, of that awakening, that I can continue on with what Derek Prince has set in the hearts of people around the world. – I’m honored to be here and I never even thought, when I first started seeing these videos, I would ever be sitting here beside you and it is a complete honor because it was Derek Prince and you that had a massive, massive transformation on my life, on my thought process, helped me to connect
dots that I was already, I was already on the track. I knew something was wrong, but everyone in their life, at times, needs somebody to help them connect those dots when they need it. And that’s really what it was at a very, very crucial time. I’ll be frank, I was, I was at a very dark
time when I found this. – Can you tell us about that dark time, because the politics, the politics of war is really what began wearing on you. The rules of engagement, which– – That’s right.
– You know, everything, everyone from the, what
happened in Vietnam to what’s happening in Afghanistan today, it’s the political rules of engagement that tear the heart of the warrior out, that cause the innocent to be destroyed and killed on the battlefield because of what politicians do. Tell us about that. I want you to be honest. – Let me be honest about that. It is, this is the number one issue that plagues the special
operations community and the military at large, is the feeling of not
having a true mission in what they’re doing as well as they’re being scrutinized
for the war effort that they’re making by people that have never seen war. That is the hardest thing
from a morale standpoint. People always talk about PTSD and the problems that are
happening with veterans. Let’s start with, let’s
stop putting veterans under this intense microscope by people who have no idea what they’re discussing or what they’re talking about. Rules of engagement
have become so crippling for many of our guys that we can’t even be effective in certain regions. There’s place where our enemies know our rules of engagement and they will knowingly use them against us. They will fire at us, drop their weapon, they become a non-combatant the moment they drop their weapon and then they run back to a fall back position. – So they’re firing at you. They’re killing, wounding, they’re, and now, they see okay,
now they drop their weapon. – Knowing we can’t fire. – Because they’re non-combatant now. – Right, they’re not an active threat. They’re technically could be a combatant, but they’re not an active threat to us and we’re technically not supposed to engage there.
– Okay. – One example, one small example of, and they run back to a fall back position where a weapon is already placed. – Okay, all right.
– And this is built in to their tactics.
– Right, okay. That’s the tactic. They know the rules.
– Right. – So if a United States
Senator was out there and they were firing
at him and they dropped their weapon, then you think that the rules of engagement would be the same if the Senator–
– I think. – And the Senator’s son is out there, if the fortunate sons were out there. – I think the Senator
would be the first one yelling, “Shoot that guy in the back.” – Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Yep.
– Get that, because the hard thing with warfare is, it’s not an easy thing to see. The problem in our day is everyone is seeing war. Can you imagine, in World War II, the beaches of Normandy
if we had had cameras actually seeing what was happening in real time and being reporting that back to the US in real time, like war is being reported today? – Yeah.
– We would have pulled out within a few hours of that engagement. Civilians were not meant to see war. And so now they are and
there’s this problem with how do we do this,
what’s the moral way, and there’s people who have no idea what they’re talking about. The disillusionment comes from issues like these. When I was still in, there were three guys in the SEAL teams that were accused of giving a terrorist, a known terrorist, a bloodly lip. And this is a terrorist that hung four Blackwater contractors in Baghdad, that ended up getting caught and somewhere along the way, this guy
got punched in the mouth by one of the Iraqis and it got blamed on three different SEALS and they almost went to Levinworth. This is how serious this is. I mean, they didn’t
even do it, number one. – [Michael] They didn’t
put a bullet in his head. – No, and let’s be honest. – Somebody else gave him a bloodly lip and they, he blamed it on them because he knew he could get away with it. – That’s exactly right. This is also going on right now with a guy named Eddie
Gallagher, in the SEAL team. – Okay, tell us about Gallagher. – Amazing guy; he’s being accused of completely, fraudulently, what they’re saying is, they
called in an air strike, and that there was a guy who survived the air strike and instead
of offering medical aid, he executed him. That’s what they’re saying. Well, too bad, his helmet cam tells a whole different story
and there’s a whole process of scrutanizing him. He’s been arrested. He’s been held without trial
for a long period of time. He was finally, actually,
recently released after months. He was arrested while he was in, I believe, Portsmouth Naval Hospital, being treated for a head wound. After NCIS knew that he
was already arrested, they then sent a tactical
unit to his house to bring in his kids with
a tactical entry team to get his kids.
– Okay, so these, this is basically a SWAT team. – Yes.
– They’ve got the flack jackets on–
– Yes. – Full automatic weapons and they go in to arrest his teenage children while he is in the hospital. – That’s right. – Where’s his wife, at this point? – His wife, I believe, was at work. I’m not 100% sure, but I believe his wife was at work. She wasn’t in the house, I don’t believe, when that happened.
– Right. – But I could be wrong about that. – And with their intelligence, you’d expect them to know
exactly where she was when they made the raid–
– Yeah. – On his house to arrest his children and drag ’em out. – They definitely knew he wasn’t there ’cause they already had him. – Right, right. – But they still sent
the tactical unit in. I mean, that’s a telling– – Well, I hear there is some talk about Trump pardoning him because he is aware of what is going on, this aversion that’s happening. – That’s exactly right, we’re hoping that. I know Andrea and Eddie, that’s what they’re
praying and hoping for, and his family and his kids. That whole community is rallying around him and supporting him. That’s what we’re hoping. We’re hoping to see the right thing, but also, we’re hoping that we change this narrative that’s going on about veterans and the way that we’re being scrutanized for the kind of things that these politicians
are asking us to go do. – Okay.
– That’s the problem. – Now, we heard about this, this plays into this as well. This Iraqi that was, had a, I think a chained child that he was sexually abusing and Special Forces went in there and kind of thrashed him, I understand. – Yeah, I think it was Afghanistan. It might have been Afghanistan, if we’re talking about the Green Berets – Oh, that’s right.
– Yeah. – Afghanistan.
– Yes. So that’s a big problem. – The dancing–
– The dancing boys of Afghanistan.
– Dancing boys of Afghanistan. – It’s a common thing, in
certain parts of Afghanistan, for there to be these dancing boys that dance before tribal elders and then they’re raped repeatedly. I believe it was a Green Beret that stood up and did something about it, and he’s being, he’s on the hook now. There’s this, I don’t know, I think we just don’t
understand war, simply. I think, partly, we
feel shame about having to do it, as a society. But we ask these men to go do it and we don’t know how to register that with our belief system. And so, we interject into how they should do it, without having any clue what it is or what it’s like. That’s I think, that
feeling is a difficult thing for a lot of veterans. A lot of veterans struggle with that and I think it makes certain veterans question what they’re doing. And you better believe that plays into the psychological well being of a lot of guys,
especially when they’re in, and also when they get out. I do. We can’t change everything. We can’t cahnge the
problems that guys face from real trauma that they experience, but what we can change is the way people are treating them on the outside. I’m hoping that’s one thing that we can see change. It was also that and the
inability to say what the mission really is.
– Yeah. – I remember I went to
a very high up officer in my community and I was getting out, so I knew I had the freedom to ask him whatever I want at this point. I didn’t care, you
know, I was getting out. And I said, “Who are we at war with?” I just wanted to know his direct answer. Who are we at war, ’cause we’re at war. – Okay, I’m, with baited breath, I’m waiting to hear
who are we at war with. This was a SEAL team commander. – Is that right?
– That’s right. – Okay.
– That’s right. And even in our own community, at times, there’s people that can’t
answer that question. And he really couldn’t. He would say, “Well, with
multiple different people “we’re at war with and
we don’t wanna isolate “one people over the other people.” It as a very, very long
winded, very political answer, but that is the underling problem is if you’re in a war
that you can’t define, you’re not gonna win it. And that’s the perpetual nature of the war on terror and what it’s become. There’s no–
– This is Vietnam again. – There’s no winning this war and it’s a perpetual state of readiness where a lot of people make money and this is, this is a big problem. – This, being in for six years, I am sure that you’re
one of the last people that they want to release from active duty after six years. They’ve got an investment. I know, it’s gotta be millions, millions– – Yes.
– That have been invested in you–
– Yeah. – As a warrior and they don’t
wan you just out on the street just, contracting–
– No. – To rescue people from pedophile rings. – No, they work hard on ya. They try, they offer you plenty of money, tax free, for that reenlistment bonus. That’s what they, you
know, they’re hoping. If they can get you to reenlist, to get you to 10 years,
then you’ll stay in, and that’s really the crucial moment. Most guys stay in after they’ve
been there fro 10 years. So I was at a place where I had to decide, am I gonna stay in. – And you’ve already had a rude awakening on a couple fronts, spiritually and also you’re seeing the seedy underbelly of
the political environment. – That’s correct. – And that you are forced to do combat in. – That’s right. It really, the hardest thing about leaving was our guys, our community. Amazing community, amazing friendships. The guys in, our community is
definitely not the problem. The war fighters, that’s not the problem. It’s the people that are handcuffing them, giving them illogical missions or missions that are not clearly defined and then asking them to go fight and die or be scrutinized for that fighting. That is a perpetual problem and I believe it’s destroying the
morale and just the state of mind of our active
duty military right now. – You decide to make your move. You’re gonna go out into
the civilian world again and so, where do you go? What’s happening now? You’ve had your awakening
on a couple of fronts. – Yeah.
– Where are we going? – I am, now I get out and the first thing I do is I go back home to my
hometown of Roanoke, Virginia. I start dabbling in a business that my father started, insurance sales. I started trying to sell insurance and I really thought
I could make it happen and I realized really
quickly that I could not. Nothing against the trade,
nothing against the profession, I just, I needed something else. Again, I was looking for something. – Yeah, you don’t seem to
be an insurance salesman kind of guy, to me. – Yeah, coerce people
into buying insurance in different ways and different… But, what really, what
really I started doing, I segued into using my
skill sets to do good. I started with SWAT teams. I realized police around the country needed help and wanted more training. This was pretty common for most of the departments I work with. They wanted more effective training. I started working with multiple different police departments and agencies, training their tactical units and using my skill sets to enable our law enforcement partners, around the country, the people that protect the homeland. That what was really passionate to me. And then, I started to realize how big of a problem that sex slavery, sex trafficking was, and
that’s what really grabbed me. When I was talking
about when I was looking for the next war, I thought I had found it in the military. I got to see some of it, but what I really wanted was to fight for the right idea. You know what I mean? And this was an idea that transcended all politics, transcended all
the geopolitical strategies out there and made things very clear. Are we gonna help these
kids or are we not? – So then, that’s the next war. That’s what you’re
going to be involved in. This is what we opened
the entire series with, that war, and I wanna also go back as your third year in the Navy, as a SEAL, but there’s already a shift. You’re already keeping kosher.
– Yeah. – Only eating clean and so–
– Yeah. – There was, something was going on. Did this cause any kind of confict among your comrades? – A lot of jokes. My guys would make all kinds of jokes. They knew I didn’t eat pork or shellfish and they, actually, some
of them knew me beforehand. So they’re like, what are
you, why are you changing for? It was just weird. So guys would give me,
guys would give me a little bit of flack for it, but all in all, my friends were really good to me and they understood. – Some people say, oh, he’s trying to earn his salvation or whatever. – Yes.
– You ever run into that? – Oh yes, yes.
– With fellow believers because I know.
– Family, too. – Among SEALs, among the real warriors, a lot of ’em are believers. They’re Christians.
– That’s true. – Some of the greatest
warriors of all times have been Christians.
– Yeah. – I know…
– Friends and family even. – Yeah.
– There were people that the perception of doing
anything that looked, in their minds, Jewish,
which they have associated with legalism, there’s
not that differentiation between the laws of the Rabbis, the manmade laws and enactments and the Father’s laws, which clearly, He wants us to do. That should go without saying that if He said something ever, in history, He wants us to keep doing it. And why would He change that? That was a sticking point, though. And there was a lot of people, actually, I remember, a lot of resistance. I didn’t have much community either. I didn’t have a lot of people, besides YouTube videos
and my own personal study, it was really my community. The first thing I did when I was, I joined a Messianic synagogue. Made some really great friends and a traditional
Messianic Jewish synagogue which I had started with your teachings, so I had kind of started to delve into the different things that Yeshua was doing to expose those manmade traditions, particularly of the Pharisees at the time. I was seeing a lot of these things being brought back out
with the combination of Christian beliefs, so a
lot of Pharisaic beliefs. – Kind of a mixture. – I wanted a community. – Messianic Judaism.
– Yeah. – Kind of a mixture.
– I wanted the community, I think, and it was nice to see people, and it was honestly a lot
of really good hearted, awesome people there as well that would just love the Torah. And so, I really look back on it as a fond, fond time
and a really good time of establishing community. But yes, it was definitely, I found myself looking around going, I just came in, I just
thought I left this, and here is the same, some of the rituals and things were exactly
identical in nature to a lot of the same manmade things I was doing previously in Christianity. The whole thing, for me, that resonated, that I was tracking for is only God has the right to make a law. It’s that simple. And anyone else, and the rest of the world is trying to convince us which other laws we should keep, and therein lies religion. – Right.
– And all the different perceptions and it’s all
about choralling people to a certain point of view and then, usually, monetizing it somehow. But it’s all about how do you lead people by the nose and nope, that’s, you can’t just do what God wants. You also have to do this. And that’s really the thing that I became very attuned to listening to. I can’t say that anyone
had a greater impact than your teachings on that. – Well, that is really the foundation of all the commandments in the Torah is thou shall not add to the commandments I give you, thou shalt
not diminish there of, that you may keep all the commandments of Jehovah. Once we add to or subtract from, we no longer have the commandments of God. We have manmade religion. This is what Yeshua is
vehemently opposed to. Dramatically, with every
miracle that He does, He is violating established
rules of Rubinic Judaism back in the first century and most people don’t even understand that. Thank you for continuing
the fight on this. We’ve got a lot more to cover. I want you to come back. – I’d love to.
– Come back next week, because we really need to, we need to farret some of these truths out because a lot of people
are finding themselves on this path. They have become disillusioned with the Christianity or as I say, the churchianity of their youth and they’re starting, by the
time they hit 50 years old, they’re starting to ask the questions, wait, this doesn’t honestly make sense. There are things that, I come down to the second grade question. Pastor, how do you get
three days and three nights between Good Friday and Easter Sunday? Einstein couldn’t get three days and three nights in that–
– That’s right. – And yet, this is the one and only sign of Yeshua’s authenticity. We’ve gotta get back
and we’re gonna explore these things together. – I look forward to it.
– You started exploring this in Baghdad, on the battlefield. And both of us have met on common ground. That common ground was really
Derek Prince’s teaching to awaken the prophetic, the direction of Israel in what is going to
happen in the last days. Because, I believe that we’re called to be warriors now. As Timothy was told by Paul, war or good warfare, you
were ordained as a warrior. Now I wanna see commendation, I wanna see medals pinned on your chest. And that’s what it’s all about. – Yeah.
– We are to be warriors in this day and time. We are to establish a righteousness and justice upon the Earth because there are some things that have been laid into our hands. I want you back with us to explore some of these things of truth,
justice and righteousness, because we’re gonna appeal
to the almighty judge for Him to render His verdict so that the righteous are liberated. – Amen.
– And the oppressor– – Love to be back.
– Are destroyed. – I cannot wait, Michael. – Okay.
– Thank you so much for having me.
– I’m gonna close in prayer. (speaking in foreign language) Jehovah bless you and keep you. Jehovah lift His face upon you and be gracious unto you. Jehovah lift up His countenance upon you and give you His peace. In name of Yeshua, our Messiah, the Prince of Peace. Amen, amen. Shabbat shalom Torah fans.
– Bye now. – Shavuot and have a good week. We’ll see you right back here for the rest of the story with Dave Lopez, Shabbat Night Live. Lead you through it. Bye, bye. (gentle music)

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GOING TO FIND YOURSELVES IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS ONE, IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS ONE, IN AGREEMENT WITH DONALD TRUMP FOR AGREEMENT WITH DONALD TRUMP FOR THIS ONE TIME. THIS ONE TIME. BUT WE BEGIN TONIGHT WITH THE BUT WE BEGIN TONIGHT WITH THE DEATH IN PRISON OF A FORMER DEATH IN PRISON OF A FORMER FRIEND OF DONALD TRUMP’S, A MAN FRIEND OF DONALD TRUMP’S, A MAN WHO DONALD TRUMP CALLED A WHO DONALD TRUMP CALLED A TERRIFIC GUY, WHO WITH DONALD TERRIFIC GUY, WHO WITH DONALD TRUMP’S FULL APPROVAL LIKED TRUMP’S FULL APPROVAL LIKED GIRLS WHO IN DONALD TRUMP’S GIRLS WHO IN DONALD TRUMP’S WORDS WERE “ON THE YOUNGER WORDS WERE “ON THE YOUNGER SIDE.” SIDE.” IT TOOK THE DEATH OF AN ACCUSED IT TOOK THE DEATH OF AN ACCUSED CHILD RAPIST AND SEX TRAFFICKER CHILD RAPIST AND SEX TRAFFICKER AND FRIEND OF PRESIDENTS TRUMP AND FRIEND OF PRESIDENTS TRUMP AND CLINTON TO UNITE THE AND CLINTON TO UNITE THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ON THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ON THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IN THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IN THE SEARCH FOR INFORMATION FROM SEARCH FOR INFORMATION FROM DONALD TRUMP AND WILLIAM BARR’S DONALD TRUMP AND WILLIAM BARR’S JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER AND THE CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER AND THE RANKING MEMBER OF THE HOUSE RANKING MEMBER OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE DOUG COLLINS JUDICIARY COMMITTEE DOUG COLLINS CO-SIGNED A LETTER TONIGHT TO CO-SIGNED A LETTER TONIGHT TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WITH 23 THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WITH 23 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEATH OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEATH OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN. JEFFREY EPSTEIN. “FROM AN APPARENT SUICIDE ON THE “FROM AN APPARENT SUICIDE ON THE MORNING OF AUGUST 10th, 2019 MORNING OF AUGUST 10th, 2019 WHILE IN YOUR CUSTODY AT THE WHILE IN YOUR CUSTODY AT THE METROPOLITAN CORRECTIONAL CENTER METROPOLITAN CORRECTIONAL CENTER IN NEW YORK.” IN NEW YORK.” THE LETTER IS ADDRESSED TO HUGH THE LETTER IS ADDRESSED TO HUGH HURWITZ, THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF HURWITZ, THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF THE BUREAU OF PRISONS, WHICH IS THE BUREAU OF PRISONS, WHICH IS AN AGENCY IN THE JUSTICE AN AGENCY IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT UNDER ATTORNEY DEPARTMENT UNDER ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR’S CONTROL. GENERAL WILLIAM BARR’S CONTROL. HUGH HURWITTS IS A LIFETIME HUGH HURWITTS IS A LIFETIME GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRAT WHOSE GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRAT WHOSE CAREER BEGAN IN REPUBLICAN CAREER BEGAN IN REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATIONS BUT AS ALSO ADMINISTRATIONS BUT AS ALSO INCLUDED DEMOCRATIC INCLUDED DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATIONS. ADMINISTRATIONS. HE STARTED AS A LOW-LEVEL HE STARTED AS A LOW-LEVEL ASSISTANT IN THE BUREAU OF ASSISTANT IN THE BUREAU OF PRISONS THE YEAR AFTER HE PRISONS THE YEAR AFTER HE GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE. GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE. HE EVENTUALLY BECAME A LAWYER, HE EVENTUALLY BECAME A LAWYER, SPENT SOME TIME IN PRIVATE LAW SPENT SOME TIME IN PRIVATE LAW PRACTICE, RURNLD TO THE BURE O. PRACTICE, RURNLD TO THE BURE O. OF PRISONS IN 1997 IN A OF PRISONS IN 1997 IN A TECHNICAL CAPACITY AS AN TECHNICAL CAPACITY AS AN ASSISTANT CHIEF FOR ASSISTANT CHIEF FOR CONSTRUCTION. CONSTRUCTION. DURING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION DURING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION HE WORKED IN A TECHNICAL JOB IN HE WORKED IN A TECHNICAL JOB IN THE FOOD AND DRUG THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION, LATER BECAME THE ADMINISTRATION, LATER BECAME THE FDA’S I.T. GUY. FDA’S I.T. GUY. MOVED ON TO ANOTHER TECHNICAL MOVED ON TO ANOTHER TECHNICAL JOB HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH JOB HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH POLICY AND THE DEPARTMENT OF POLICY AND THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION DURING THE OBAMA EDUCATION DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION HE JOINED NASA ADMINISTRATION HE JOINED NASA AND THE INSPECTOR GENERAL’S AND THE INSPECTOR GENERAL’S OFFICE. OFFICE. AND RETURNED TO THE BUREAU OF AND RETURNED TO THE BUREAU OF PRISONS IN 2015 AS AN ASSISTANT PRISONS IN 2015 AS AN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. DIRECTOR. MAY 18th OF 2018 ATTORNEY MAY 18th OF 2018 ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS APPOINTED GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS APPOINTED HUGH HURWITZ THE ACTING DIRECTOR HUGH HURWITZ THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF THE BUREAU OF PRISONS. OF THE BUREAU OF PRISONS. AND BECAUSE THIS IS THE TRUMP AND BECAUSE THIS IS THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HE IS STILL THE ADMINISTRATION HE IS STILL THE ACTING DIRECTOR. ACTING DIRECTOR. OVER A YEAR LATER. OVER A YEAR LATER. WHEN YOU SEE HUGH HURWITZ WHEN YOU SEE HUGH HURWITZ TESTIFY TO THE HOUSE JUDICIARY TESTIFY TO THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE BOTH UNDER OATH AND COMMITTEE BOTH UNDER OATH AND UNDER PRESSURE AS HE MOST SURELY UNDER PRESSURE AS HE MOST SURELY WILL, YOU WILL BE SEEING THE WILL, YOU WILL BE SEEING THE LASSIC GOVERNMENT TECHNOCRAT. LASSIC GOVERNMENT TECHNOCRAT. YOU WILL NOT BE SEEING ANYONE YOU WILL NOT BE SEEING ANYONE WHO HAS EVER RUN A PRISON OR A WHO HAS EVER RUN A PRISON OR A JAIL HIMSELF. JAIL HIMSELF. HE HAS NEVER HAD ONE DAY OF HE HAS NEVER HAD ONE DAY OF EXPERIENCE WORKING IN A PRISON EXPERIENCE WORKING IN A PRISON OR A JAIL. OR A JAIL. IT IS POSSIBLE HE HAS NEVER MET IT IS POSSIBLE HE HAS NEVER MET AN INMATE. AN INMATE. BUT IT WAS HIS JOB TO KEEP BUT IT WAS HIS JOB TO KEEP JEFFREY EPSTEIN ALIVE. JEFFREY EPSTEIN ALIVE. IT WAS ALSO WILLIAM BARR’S JOB IT WAS ALSO WILLIAM BARR’S JOB TO KEEP JEFFREY EPSTEIN ALIVE. TO KEEP JEFFREY EPSTEIN ALIVE. AND ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR SAID AND ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR SAID TODAY IN EFFECT DON’T BLAME ME. TODAY IN EFFECT DON’T BLAME ME. ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR CLAIMED TO ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR CLAIMED TO BE “APPALLED AND ANGRY.” BE “APPALLED AND ANGRY.” THOSE WERE HIS WORDS. THOSE WERE HIS WORDS. ABOUT THE DEATH OF JEFFREY ABOUT THE DEATH OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN. AND HE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT AND HE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT HUGH HURWITZ IS IN LINE TO TAKE HUGH HURWITZ IS IN LINE TO TAKE THE FALL FOR THIS ONE. THE FALL FOR THIS ONE.>>WE ARE NOW LEARNING OF>>WE ARE NOW LEARNING OF SERIOUS IRREGULARITIES AT THIS SERIOUS IRREGULARITIES AT THIS FACILITY THAT ARE DEEPLY FACILITY THAT ARE DEEPLY CONCERNING AND DEMAND A THOROUGH CONCERNING AND DEMAND A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION.>>SO WILLIAM BARR IS CLEARLY>>SO WILLIAM BARR IS CLEARLY GOING POINT DOWNWARD AND BLAME GOING POINT DOWNWARD AND BLAME HUGH HURWITZ OR SOMEONE LOWER HUGH HURWITZ OR SOMEONE LOWER DOWN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AT THE DOWN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AT THE FEDERAL CORRECTION CENTER IN NEW FEDERAL CORRECTION CENTER IN NEW YORK WHERE JEFFREY EPSTEIN DIED. YORK WHERE JEFFREY EPSTEIN DIED. MAYBE THE BARR INVESTIGATION MAYBE THE BARR INVESTIGATION WILL ULTIMATELY POINT THE FINGER WILL ULTIMATELY POINT THE FINGER AT THE UNIONIZED GUARDS WHO AT THE UNIONIZED GUARDS WHO FAILED TO KEEP JEFFREY EPSTEIN FAILED TO KEEP JEFFREY EPSTEIN ALIVE. ALIVE. OR THE CHIEF PSYCHOLOGIST OF THE OR THE CHIEF PSYCHOLOGIST OF THE CORRECTIONAL CENTER WHO WAS CORRECTIONAL CENTER WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN CHARGE OF THE SUPPOSED TO BE IN CHARGE OF THE SUICIDE WATCH OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN SUICIDE WATCH OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND THE AFTERMATH OF THE SUICIDE AND THE AFTERMATH OF THE SUICIDE WATCH OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN. WATCH OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN. AFTER JEFFREY EPSTEIN REPORTEDLY AFTER JEFFREY EPSTEIN REPORTEDLY TRIED TO KILL HIMSELF LAST MONTH TRIED TO KILL HIMSELF LAST MONTH HE WAS PLACED ON SUICIDE WATCH HE WAS PLACED ON SUICIDE WATCH FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME AND THEN FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME AND THEN REPORTEDLY TAKEN OFF SUICIDE REPORTEDLY TAKEN OFF SUICIDE WATCH. WATCH. THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS RULES FOR SUICIDE WATCHES WERE RULES FOR SUICIDE WATCHES WERE WRITTEN IN 2007 WHEN HUGH WRITTEN IN 2007 WHEN HUGH HURWITZ WAS WORKING AT THE HURWITZ WAS WORKING AT THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. IT’S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE HUGH IT’S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE HUGH HURWITZ HAD NO IDEA WHAT THOSE HURWITZ HAD NO IDEA WHAT THOSE RULES WERE UNTIL HE GOT THE RULES WERE UNTIL HE GOT THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE’S LETTER JUDICIARY COMMITTEE’S LETTER TONIGHT. TONIGHT. ONE OF THE RULES SAYS ONCE AN ONE OF THE RULES SAYS ONCE AN INMATE HAS BEEN PLACED ON WATCH INMATE HAS BEEN PLACED ON WATCH “THE WATCH MAY NOT BE TERMINATED “THE WATCH MAY NOT BE TERMINATED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE WITHOUT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE WITHOUT THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR OR THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR OR DESIGNEE PERFORMING A DESIGNEE PERFORMING A FACE-TO-FACE EVALUATION. FACE-TO-FACE EVALUATION. ONLY THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR ONLY THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR WILL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO WILL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REMOVE AN INMATE FROM SUICIDE REMOVE AN INMATE FROM SUICIDE WATCH. WATCH. THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR IS THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR IS USUALLY THE PRISON’S CHIEF USUALLY THE PRISON’S CHIEF PSYCHOLOGIST.” PSYCHOLOGIST.” QUESTION 12 OF THE JUDICIARY QUESTION 12 OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE’S LETTER TO THE BUREAU COMMITTEE’S LETTER TO THE BUREAU OF PRISONSIZE, “DOES MCC NEW OF PRISONSIZE, “DOES MCC NEW YORK HAVE SUCH A PROGRAM YORK HAVE SUCH A PROGRAM COORDINATOR? COORDINATOR? DID HE OR SHE AUTHORIZE THE DID HE OR SHE AUTHORIZE THE REMOVAL OF MR. EPSTEIN FROM REMOVAL OF MR. EPSTEIN FROM SUICIDE WATCH? SUICIDE WATCH? IF NOT WHO DID?” IF NOT WHO DID?” QUESTION 13, DID THE PROGRAM QUESTION 13, DID THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR CONSULT WITH ANYONE COORDINATOR CONSULT WITH ANYONE ELSE IN MAKING THIS ELSE IN MAKING THIS DETERMINATION? DETERMINATION? IF SO, WHO? IF SO, WHO? QUESTION 14. QUESTION 14. “WAS THE TERMINATION OF MR. “WAS THE TERMINATION OF MR. EMSTEIN’S SUICIDE WATCH BY OUGHT EMSTEIN’S SUICIDE WATCH BY OUGHT FISHEL WHO MADE SUCH FISHEL WHO MADE SUCH DETERMINATION DISCUSSED WITH OR DETERMINATION DISCUSSED WITH OR DIRECTED BY ANY SUPERVISORY DIRECTED BY ANY SUPERVISORY PERSONNEL OR LEADERSHIP OF THE PERSONNEL OR LEADERSHIP OF THE BUREAU OF PRISONS OR ANY BUREAU OF PRISONS OR ANY DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PERSONNEL OR EXECUTIVE BRANCH PERSONNEL OR EXECUTIVE BRANCH PERSONNEL OUTSIDE OF THE BUREAU OF OUTSIDE OF THE BUREAU OF PRISONS?” PRISONS?” QUESTION 15, “WHO AT THE BUREAU QUESTION 15, “WHO AT THE BUREAU OF PRISONS DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OF PRISONS DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND ELSEWHERE IN THE EXECUTIVE AND ELSEWHERE IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WAS NOTIFIED OF THE BRANCH WAS NOTIFIED OF THE TERMINATION OF MR. EPSTEIN’S TERMINATION OF MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WATCH AND WHEN?” SUICIDE WATCH AND WHEN?” THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE IS THE THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE IS THE CRAZIEST WHITE HOUSE IN HISTORY. CRAZIEST WHITE HOUSE IN HISTORY. IT IS THE MOST RECKLESS GROUP OF IT IS THE MOST RECKLESS GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE EVER WORKED IN A PEOPLE WHO HAVE EVER WORKED IN A WHITE HOUSE. WHITE HOUSE. AND THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF IS THE AND THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF IS THE MOST RECKLESS OF THEM ALL. MOST RECKLESS OF THEM ALL. THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE’S LETTER THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE’S LETTER SIGNED BY THE TOP DEMOCRAT AND SIGNED BY THE TOP DEMOCRAT AND THE TOP REPUBLICAN ON THE THE TOP REPUBLICAN ON THE COMMITTEE, IS ASKING IF ANYONE COMMITTEE, IS ASKING IF ANYONE IN THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE WAS IN THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE WAS INVOLVED OR AWARE OF THE REMOVAL INVOLVED OR AWARE OF THE REMOVAL STEIN. STEIN. THAT’S WHAT’S IN QUESTION NUMBER THAT’S WHAT’S IN QUESTION NUMBER 14. 14. WAS THE TERMINATION OF MR. WAS THE TERMINATION OF MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WATCH EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WATCH DISCUSSED WITH OR DIRECTED BY DISCUSSED WITH OR DIRECTED BY ANY SUPERVISORY PERSONNEL OR ANY SUPERVISORY PERSONNEL OR LEADERSHIP OF THE BUREAU OF LEADERSHIP OF THE BUREAU OF PRISONS OR ANY DEPARTMENT OF PRISONS OR ANY DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PERSONNEL OR EXECUTIVE JUSTICE PERSONNEL OR EXECUTIVE BRANCH PERSONNEL? BRANCH PERSONNEL? WAS WILLIAM BARR INVOLVED? WAS WILLIAM BARR INVOLVED? WAS DONALD TRUMP INVOLVED? WAS DONALD TRUMP INVOLVED? THAT’S WHAT IS IN QUESTION THAT’S WHAT IS IN QUESTION NUMBER 14. NUMBER 14. AND THE HOUSE JUDICIARY AND THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IS GOING TO GET COMMITTEE IS GOING TO GET ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS, TO ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS, TO ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS, ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS, INCLUDING PLEASE PROVIDE INCLUDING PLEASE PROVIDE INFORMATION PERTAINING TO THE INFORMATION PERTAINING TO THE INDIVIDUAL CORRECTION OFFICERS INDIVIDUAL CORRECTION OFFICERS WHO WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHO WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR MONITORING MR. EPSTEIN ON AUGUST MONITORING MR. EPSTEIN ON AUGUST 9th AND AUGUST 10th SPECIFICALLY 9th AND AUGUST 10th SPECIFICALLY WITH RESPECT TO HOW LONG THEY WITH RESPECT TO HOW LONG THEY HAD BEEN ON THEIR SHIFTS AT THE HAD BEEN ON THEIR SHIFTS AT THE TIME MR. EPSTEIN HAD BEEN FOUND TIME MR. EPSTEIN HAD BEEN FOUND NON-RESPONSIVE IN HIS CELL. NON-RESPONSIVE IN HIS CELL. QUESTION 17, “IF MR. EPSTEIN WAS QUESTION 17, “IF MR. EPSTEIN WAS REMOVED FROM SUICIDE WATCH, WHAT REMOVED FROM SUICIDE WATCH, WHAT PRECAUTIONS WERE PUT IN PLACE TO PRECAUTIONS WERE PUT IN PLACE TO HELP PREVENT THE POSSIBILITY OF HELP PREVENT THE POSSIBILITY OF SELF-INJURY FROM MR. EPSTEIN SELF-INJURY FROM MR. EPSTEIN GIVEN THAT HE WAS TRANSITIONING GIVEN THAT HE WAS TRANSITIONING FROM SUICIDE WATCH? FROM SUICIDE WATCH? WERE THERE ANY STEPS TAKEN TO WERE THERE ANY STEPS TAKEN TO REMOVE POSSIBLE IMPLEMENTS OF REMOVE POSSIBLE IMPLEMENTS OF SELF-INJURY?” SELF-INJURY?” QUESTION 20, “WERE ANY VIDEO QUESTION 20, “WERE ANY VIDEO SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS PLACED IN SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS PLACED IN OR NEAR MR. EPSTEIN’S CELL? OR NEAR MR. EPSTEIN’S CELL? DO RECORDINGS SHOW THE DO RECORDINGS SHOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT LED TO MR. CIRCUMSTANCES THAT LED TO MR. EPSTEIN’S DEATH OR THE PRESENCE EPSTEIN’S DEATH OR THE PRESENCE OF ANY OTHER PERSON DURING THIS OF ANY OTHER PERSON DURING THIS TIME PERIOD?” TIME PERIOD?” THE BIPARTISAN LETTER SENT BY THE BIPARTISAN LETTER SENT BY THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TO THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TO THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF THE THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF THE BUREAU OF PRISONS SAYS, “THE BUREAU OF PRISONS SAYS, “THE APPARENT SUICIDE OF THIS APPARENT SUICIDE OF THIS HIGH-PROFILE AND IF ALLEGATIONS HIGH-PROFILE AND IF ALLEGATIONS ARE PROVEN TO BE ACCURATE ARE PROVEN TO BE ACCURATE PARTICULARLY REPREHENSIBLE PARTICULARLY REPREHENSIBLE INDIVIDUAL WHILE IN THE FEDERAL INDIVIDUAL WHILE IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT’S CUSTODY GOVERNMENT’S CUSTODY DEMONSTRATES SEVERE MISCARRIAGES DEMONSTRATES SEVERE MISCARRIAGES OF AND DEFICIENCIES IN INMATE OF AND DEFICIENCIES IN INMATE PROTOCOL AND HAS ALLOWED THE PROTOCOL AND HAS ALLOWED THE DECEASED TO ULTIMATELY EVADE DECEASED TO ULTIMATELY EVADE FACING JUSTICE. FACING JUSTICE. ANY VICTIMS OF MR. EPSTEIN’S ANY VICTIMS OF MR. EPSTEIN’S ACTIONS WILL FOREVER BE DENIED ACTIONS WILL FOREVER BE DENIED PROPER RECOURSE. PROPER RECOURSE. THE COMPETENCY AND RIGOR OF OUR THE COMPETENCY AND RIGOR OF OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM HAS BEEN CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM HAS BEEN MARRED BY THIS APPARENT MARRED BY THIS APPARENT OVERSIGHT.” OVERSIGHT.” LEADING OFF OUR DISCUSSION LEADING OFF OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT MIMI ROCAH, FORMER TONIGHT MIMI ROCAH, FORMER ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY IN THE ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. SHE’S AN MSNBC LEGAL KRIRKT. SHE’S AN MSNBC LEGAL KRIRKT. AND JOHN HEILEMANN, NATIONAL AND JOHN HEILEMANN, NATIONAL AFFAIRS ANALYST FOR MSNBC NEWS AFFAIRS ANALYST FOR MSNBC NEWS AND MSNBC. AND MSNBC. HE IS CO-HOST AND EXECUTIVE HE IS CO-HOST AND EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF SHOWTIME’S “THE PRODUCER OF SHOWTIME’S “THE CIRCUS.” CIRCUS.” MIMI, YOU KNOW THESE FACILITIES MIMI, YOU KNOW THESE FACILITIES DOWN THERE IN LOWER MANHATTAN. DOWN THERE IN LOWER MANHATTAN. FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY TWEETED FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY TWEETED OVER THE WEEKEND THAT SURELY OVER THE WEEKEND THAT SURELY THERE IS VIDEO THAT WILL TELL US THERE IS VIDEO THAT WILL TELL US SOMETHING IF NOT EVERYTHING SOMETHING IF NOT EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS. ABOUT THIS.>>THERE WILL BE VIDEO THAT WILL>>THERE WILL BE VIDEO THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PUZZLE THAT BE PART OF THE PUZZLE THAT THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TO PIECE THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TO PIECE TOGETHER. TOGETHER. THERE WON’T BE VIDEO IN THE SELL THERE WON’T BE VIDEO IN THE SELL BECAUSE OF PRIVACY RIGHTS. BECAUSE OF PRIVACY RIGHTS. BUT THERE WILL BE VIDEO FROM THE BUT THERE WILL BE VIDEO FROM THE HALLWAYS. HALLWAYS. IN WILL BE — THERE WILL BE — IN WILL BE — THERE WILL BE — I’M SURE THEY’RE ALREADY I’M SURE THEY’RE ALREADY LOOKING — SOMEBODY IS GOING LOOKING — SOMEBODY IS GOING THROUGH WHATEVER VIDEO CAN BE THROUGH WHATEVER VIDEO CAN BE GONE THROUGH. GONE THROUGH. THEY’RE LOOK AT WHO DID EPSTEIN THEY’RE LOOK AT WHO DID EPSTEIN SPEAK TO. SPEAK TO. WHO DID HE HAVE PHONE CALLS WHO DID HE HAVE PHONE CALLS WITH? WITH? WHO DID HE HAVE CONTACT WITH IN WHO DID HE HAVE CONTACT WITH IN THE TIME BETWEEN WHEN HE WAS THE TIME BETWEEN WHEN HE WAS TAKEN OFF SUICIDE WATCH AND TAKEN OFF SUICIDE WATCH AND KILLED HIMSELF PRESUMABLY? KILLED HIMSELF PRESUMABLY? YOU KNOW, EVERY PERSONNEL, YOU KNOW, EVERY PERSONNEL, EVERYONE WHO WORKS THERE IS EVERYONE WHO WORKS THERE IS GOING TO BE INTERVIEWED AND GOING TO BE INTERVIEWED AND QUESTIONED SEPARATELY AND QUESTIONED SEPARATELY AND CAREFULLY. CAREFULLY. BUT THE REAL PROBLEM HERE IN MY BUT THE REAL PROBLEM HERE IN MY MIND IS WE NEED ANSWERS AND WE MIND IS WE NEED ANSWERS AND WE NEED BOTH THE PUBLIC AND THE NEED BOTH THE PUBLIC AND THE VICTIMS TO TRUST THE ANSWERS VICTIMS TO TRUST THE ANSWERS THAT WE GET. THAT WE GET. AND WITH BILL BARR AT THE HELM AND WITH BILL BARR AT THE HELM AND DOING WHAT HE’S ALREADY AND DOING WHAT HE’S ALREADY DOING, WHICH IS SPINNING THIS, DOING, WHICH IS SPINNING THIS, LIKE HE DID WITH THE MUELLER LIKE HE DID WITH THE MUELLER REPORT, HOW CAN ANYBODY TRUST REPORT, HOW CAN ANYBODY TRUST IT? IT? HE HAD BEEN RECUSED. HE HAD BEEN RECUSED. HE UNRECUSED HIMSELF TO TAKE HE UNRECUSED HIMSELF TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY OVER THE SOUTHERN RESPONSIBILITY OVER THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT INVESTIGATION. DISTRICT INVESTIGATION. AND NOW HE’S ALREADY DISCLAIMING AND NOW HE’S ALREADY DISCLAIMING RESPONSIBILITY AS YOU SAID. RESPONSIBILITY AS YOU SAID. AND I THINK FOR ANYONE TO HAVE AND I THINK FOR ANYONE TO HAVE FAITH IN WHAT THE FINDINGS ARE, FAITH IN WHAT THE FINDINGS ARE, WHICH ARE SO IMPORTANT TO THE WHICH ARE SO IMPORTANT TO THE VICTIMS AND THE JUSTICE SYSTEM VICTIMS AND THE JUSTICE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE, BILL BARR MUST AS A WHOLE, BILL BARR MUST RECUSE HIMSELF. RECUSE HIMSELF.>>JOHN, THERE IS AN ESTABLISHED>>JOHN, THERE IS AN ESTABLISHED REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL VIEW OF REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL VIEW OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR DEPARTMENT RESPONSIBILITY FOR DEPARTMENT HEADS IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, HEADS IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY IF IT’S THE HEAD OF ESPECIALLY IF IT’S THE HEAD OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE DEATH OCCURS IN BENGHAZI. DEATH OCCURS IN BENGHAZI. ALL OF THAT WAS BLAMED ON ALL OF THAT WAS BLAMED ON HILLARY CLINTON BY HOUSE HILLARY CLINTON BY HOUSE REPUBLICANS. REPUBLICANS. HERE’S WILLIAM BARR AT THE TOP HERE’S WILLIAM BARR AT THE TOP OF HIS DEPARTMENT. OF HIS DEPARTMENT. BUT THIS LETTER TONIGHT BUT THIS LETTER TONIGHT CO-SIGNED BY THE LEADING CO-SIGNED BY THE LEADING REPUBLICAN ON THE HOUSE REPUBLICAN ON THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IS ASKING JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IS ASKING ALL THE RIGHT QUESTIONS. ALL THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.>>YES.>>YES. DOES THE WORD HYPOCRISY MEAN DOES THE WORD HYPOCRISY MEAN ANYTHING? ANYTHING? THAT’S NOT A NEW THING FOR THIS THAT’S NOT A NEW THING FOR THIS REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THIS AGE OF REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THIS AGE OF DONALD TRUMP TO CAST ASIDE ALL DONALD TRUMP TO CAST ASIDE ALL PRIOR ALLEGED CONVICTIONS OR PRIOR ALLEGED CONVICTIONS OR COMMITMENTS TO HOW COMMITMENTS TO HOW RESPONSIBILITY WORKS, WHERE THE RESPONSIBILITY WORKS, WHERE THE BUCK STOPS IN SITUATIONS LIKE BUCK STOPS IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS. THIS. I THINK IT’S, YOU KNOW — YOU’VE I THINK IT’S, YOU KNOW — YOU’VE SEEN THE COGNITIVE DISSONANCE AS SEEN THE COGNITIVE DISSONANCE AS YOU WATCHED BEFORE THE EPSTEIN YOU WATCHED BEFORE THE EPSTEIN EVENT, YOU KNOW, ON FRIDAY YOU EVENT, YOU KNOW, ON FRIDAY YOU HAD THE NAMES OF SOME PROMINENT HAD THE NAMES OF SOME PROMINENT PEOPLE WHO WERE IMPLICATED IN PEOPLE WHO WERE IMPLICATED IN THE EPSTEIN THING. THE EPSTEIN THING. YOU SAW BILL RICHLDSON’S NAME. YOU SAW BILL RICHLDSON’S NAME. YOU SAW GEORGE MITCHELL’S NAME YOU SAW GEORGE MITCHELL’S NAME COME OUT. COME OUT. YOU SAW DONALD TRUMP’S NAME. YOU SAW DONALD TRUMP’S NAME. AND YOU SAW BILL CLINTON’S NAME. AND YOU SAW BILL CLINTON’S NAME. AND YET OVERT WEEKEND YOU HAVE AND YET OVERT WEEKEND YOU HAVE PEOPLE AROUND DONALD TRUMP PEOPLE AROUND DONALD TRUMP BASICALLY POINTING TO BILL BASICALLY POINTING TO BILL CLINTON AS THE PRESIDENT STOKED CLINTON AS THE PRESIDENT STOKED THIS CONSPIRACY THEORY BY THIS CONSPIRACY THEORY BY RETWEETING SOMEONE WHO CLAIMED RETWEETING SOMEONE WHO CLAIMED THAT THIS IS PART OF THE CLINTON THAT THIS IS PART OF THE CLINTON BODY COUNT. BODY COUNT. YET IT IS THE CASE THAT BOTH OF YET IT IS THE CASE THAT BOTH OF THEM ARE — WERE KNOWN THEM ARE — WERE KNOWN HISTORICAL CONSORTS OF JEFFREY HISTORICAL CONSORTS OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND ONLY ONE OF THEM IS EPSTEIN AND ONLY ONE OF THEM IS THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHOSE JUSTICE UNITED STATES WHOSE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT RUNS THE FEDERAL DEPARTMENT RUNS THE FEDERAL PRISON SYSTEM. PRISON SYSTEM. SO I’M NOT ENDPAJING IN ANY SO I’M NOT ENDPAJING IN ANY CONSPIRACY THEORIES JUST TO SAY CONSPIRACY THEORIES JUST TO SAY IF YOU’RE GOING TO START ASKING IF YOU’RE GOING TO START ASKING ABOUT CULPABILITY AND YOU’RE ABOUT CULPABILITY AND YOU’RE GOING TO START POINT FINGERS THE GOING TO START POINT FINGERS THE PLACE TO START LOOKING IS WITH PLACE TO START LOOKING IS WITH THE GOVERNMENT THAT RUNS THAT THE GOVERNMENT THAT RUNS THAT FACILITY. FACILITY. AND THIS GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO AND THIS GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THIS ATTORNEY GENERAL, THIS THIS ATTORNEY GENERAL, THIS ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO HAS SHOWN ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO HAS SHOWN OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT HE’S IN OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT HE’S IN THIS GAME FIRST AND FOREMOST TO THIS GAME FIRST AND FOREMOST TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP ABOVE ALL. PROTECT DONALD TRUMP ABOVE ALL.>>MIMI, TO GO BACK TO YOUR>>MIMI, TO GO BACK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE BARR POINT ABOUT THE BARR NON-RECUSAL. NON-RECUSAL. BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATIONS IN BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATIONS IN THE SOUTHERN ZRINGT DO CROSS THE SOUTHERN ZRINGT DO CROSS LINES WITH DONALD TRUMP HERE AND LINES WITH DONALD TRUMP HERE AND THERE AND HERE IS SOMEONE WHO IS THERE AND HERE IS SOMEONE WHO IS A FORMER FRIEND OF DONALD TRUMP A FORMER FRIEND OF DONALD TRUMP TRUMP’S. TRUMP’S. IRONICALLY, ODDLY, GIVEN HIS IRONICALLY, ODDLY, GIVEN HIS JOB, HIS FIRST JOB IN NEW YORK JOB, HIS FIRST JOB IN NEW YORK AT A PRIVATE HIGH SCHOOL IN NEW AT A PRIVATE HIGH SCHOOL IN NEW YORK BY WILLIAM BARR’S FATHER, YORK BY WILLIAM BARR’S FATHER, WILLIAM BARR’S FATHER AS THE WILLIAM BARR’S FATHER AS THE HEADMASTER OF SCHOOL ACTUALLY HEADMASTER OF SCHOOL ACTUALLY HIRED THIS GUY, THAT’S PLENTY OF HIRED THIS GUY, THAT’S PLENTY OF GROUNDS RIGHT THERE FOR BARR TO GROUNDS RIGHT THERE FOR BARR TO RECUSE HIMSELF. RECUSE HIMSELF. BUT YOU DIDN’T, AS YOU POINTED BUT YOU DIDN’T, AS YOU POINTED OUT IN THIS CASE. OUT IN THIS CASE. WHICH MEANS HE LEFT HIMSELF IN WHICH MEANS HE LEFT HIMSELF IN CHARGE FULLY OF THE CHARGE FULLY OF THE INCARCERATION OF JEFFREY INCARCERATION OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN. WHAT EFFORTS DID HE MAKE TO XLNT WHAT EFFORTS DID HE MAKE TO XLNT IMPORTANCE OF THIS PRISONER? IMPORTANCE OF THIS PRISONER?>>EXACTLY.>>EXACTLY. HE’S NOW SAYING IN HIS STATEMENT HE’S NOW SAYING IN HIS STATEMENT TODAY THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT TODAY THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT CASE. CASE. IF IT WERE THAT IMPORTANT OF A IF IT WERE THAT IMPORTANT OF A CASE, A CASE YOU SAID I’M SO CASE, A CASE YOU SAID I’M SO INVESTED IN THIS CASE AND I’M INVESTED IN THIS CASE AND I’M GOING TO PUT ASIDE THOSE MAYBE GOING TO PUT ASIDE THOSE MAYBE APPARENT CONFLICTS THAT PEOPLE APPARENT CONFLICTS THAT PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE ISSUE WITH BECAUSE I MIGHT HAVE ISSUE WITH BECAUSE I WANT TO OVERSEE, IT I WANT TO WANT TO OVERSEE, IT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT’S DONE RIGHT THIS MAKE SURE IT’S DONE RIGHT THIS TIME AROUND, WELL, THEN YOU TIME AROUND, WELL, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID FROM THE TOP SHOULD HAVE SAID FROM THE TOP DOWN WHATEVER RESOURCES YOU NEED DOWN WHATEVER RESOURCES YOU NEED TO PROTECT THIS MAN, THE SAME TO PROTECT THIS MAN, THE SAME WAY THEY DID WITH EL CHAPO, WAY THEY DID WITH EL CHAPO, RIGHT? RIGHT? IT’S NOT LIKE THEY AREN’T IT’S NOT LIKE THEY AREN’T CAPABLE OF DOING IT. CAPABLE OF DOING IT. WHATEVER RESOURCES YOU NEED I WHATEVER RESOURCES YOU NEED I WILL GET YOU. WILL GET YOU. I’M NOT SAYING THERE AREN’T I’M NOT SAYING THERE AREN’T SYSTEMATIC PROBLEMS ON A SYSTEMATIC PROBLEMS ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS IN THE MCC, DAY-TO-DAY BASIS IN THE MCC, OTHER PRISON THAT’S MAYBE WILL OTHER PRISON THAT’S MAYBE WILL COME TO LIGHT AS A RESULT OF COME TO LIGHT AS A RESULT OF THIS AND BE ADDRESSED BUT HE THIS AND BE ADDRESSED BUT HE COULD HAVE REACHED OUT, HE COULD HAVE REACHED OUT, HE SHOULD HAVE REACHED OUT, SHOULD HAVE REACHED OUT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN HIS POSITION, ESPECIALLY GIVEN HIS POSITION, AND SAID I AM GIVING YOU THE AND SAID I AM GIVING YOU THE RESOURCES YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE RESOURCES YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE JEFFREY EPSTEIN GOES TO TRIAL JEFFREY EPSTEIN GOES TO TRIAL AND SEES THAT DAY OF TRIAL. AND SEES THAT DAY OF TRIAL.>>AND SO JOHN, AS MIMI SAID IN>>AND SO JOHN, AS MIMI SAID IN HER FIRST STATEMENT TONIGHT, HER FIRST STATEMENT TONIGHT, WILLIAM BARR IS ALREADY SPINNING WILLIAM BARR IS ALREADY SPINNING THIS. THIS. HE GOES OUT THERE TODAY AND GOES HE GOES OUT THERE TODAY AND GOES WAY BEYOND ANYTHING WE KNOW IN WAY BEYOND ANYTHING WE KNOW IN THE NEWS REPORTS AND SAYS THE NEWS REPORTS AND SAYS SERIOUS IRREGULARITIES IN THIS SERIOUS IRREGULARITIES IN THIS FACILITY WHICH HE SUPERVISES, FACILITY WHICH HE SUPERVISES, WHICH IS UNDER HIS JURISDICTION. WHICH IS UNDER HIS JURISDICTION. AND THAT AGAIN IS WILLIAM BARR AND THAT AGAIN IS WILLIAM BARR STEPPING OUT AHEAD OF WHAT WE STEPPING OUT AHEAD OF WHAT WE KNOW BEFORE WE’RE ALLOWED TO KNOW BEFORE WE’RE ALLOWED TO KNOW. KNOW. AND THEN NOT GIVING US ANY HINT AND THEN NOT GIVING US ANY HINT OF WHAT AN IRREGULARITY IS. OF WHAT AN IRREGULARITY IS.>>WE’VE SEEN BILL BARR DO THIS>>WE’VE SEEN BILL BARR DO THIS BEFORE, STEP OUT AHEAD OF BEFORE, STEP OUT AHEAD OF EVERYTHING WE KNOW AND CAST EVERYTHING WE KNOW AND CAST EVENTS IN A CERTAIN WAY. EVENTS IN A CERTAIN WAY. SPIN THEM IN A CERTAIN WAY. SPIN THEM IN A CERTAIN WAY. IT’S PART OF THE TROUBLING IT’S PART OF THE TROUBLING PATTERN I THINK ON THE PART FRT PATTERN I THINK ON THE PART FRT ATTORNEY GENERAL. ATTORNEY GENERAL. AND I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, WE AND I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, WE DON’T KNOW WHEN HE SAYS THERE DON’T KNOW WHEN HE SAYS THERE ARE TROUBLING IRREGULARITIES, WE ARE TROUBLING IRREGULARITIES, WE DO NOT KNOW IF HE’S TALKING DO NOT KNOW IF HE’S TALKING HIFSHLTH HIFSHLTH HISTORICALLY. HISTORICALLY. WE DON’T KNOW IF HE’S TROEFRG WE DON’T KNOW IF HE’S TROEFRG THIS CASE. THIS CASE. THERE CLEARLY ARE IRREGULARITIES THERE CLEARLY ARE IRREGULARITIES WITH RESPECT TO THIS CASE. WITH RESPECT TO THIS CASE. THE QUESTION IS IF HE’S CASTING THE QUESTION IS IF HE’S CASTING AN ASPERSION THAT HE’S TRYING TO AN ASPERSION THAT HE’S TRYING TO CLAIM THESE PROBLEMS ARE CLAIM THESE PROBLEMS ARE SYSTEMIC AND HAVE GONE ON FOR SYSTEMIC AND HAVE GONE ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND SO TALTH YEARS AND YEARS AND SO TALTH HAPPENED ON MY WATCH I CAN’T BE HAPPENED ON MY WATCH I CAN’T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROBLEMS THAT RESPONSIBLE FOR PROBLEMS THAT HAVE BEEN FESTERING IN THIS HAVE BEEN FESTERING IN THIS PRISON FOR MANY DECADES. PRISON FOR MANY DECADES. WE’LL SEE IF THAT’S WHERE HE GO WE’LL SEE IF THAT’S WHERE HE GO BUT DON’T BE SURPRISEED IF THAT BUT DON’T BE SURPRISEED IF THAT IS WHERE WE GO. IS WHERE WE GO.>>MIMI, “NEW YORK TIMES”>>MIMI, “NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTING THAT THIS MEANS THAT REPORTING THAT THIS MEANS THAT PROSECUTORS WILL PROBABLY START PROSECUTORS WILL PROBABLY START CONCENTRATING MORE HEAVILY ON CONCENTRATING MORE HEAVILY ON THE FINANCIAL LIFE OF JEFFREY THE FINANCIAL LIFE OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN SINCE THEY CAN’T EPSTEIN SINCE THEY CAN’T PROSECUTE ANY OF THESE CRIMINAL PROSECUTE ANY OF THESE CRIMINAL CASES AGAINST HIM. CASES AGAINST HIM. WE HAVE ANOTHER REPORT IN THE WE HAVE ANOTHER REPORT IN THE “NEW YORK TIMES” TONIGHT FROM “NEW YORK TIMES” TONIGHT FROM JAMES STEWART. JAMES STEWART. HE REPORTS OF AN INTERVIEW HE HE REPORTS OF AN INTERVIEW HE HAD WITH EPSTEIN LAST YEAR WHERE HAD WITH EPSTEIN LAST YEAR WHERE EPSTEIN POINTS TO A PICTURE EPSTEIN POINTS TO A PICTURE SAYING THAT’S MBS, REFERRING TO SAYING THAT’S MBS, REFERRING TO MOHAMMAD BIN SALMAN, THE CROWN MOHAMMAD BIN SALMAN, THE CROWN PRINCE OF SAUDI ARABIA. PRINCE OF SAUDI ARABIA. THE CROWN PRINCE HAD VISITED HIM THE CROWN PRINCE HAD VISITED HIM MANY TIMES AND THEY SPOKE OFTEN, MANY TIMES AND THEY SPOKE OFTEN, MR. EPSTEIN SAID. MR. EPSTEIN SAID. MIMI, IF THAT’S TRUE, THAT’S MIMI, IF THAT’S TRUE, THAT’S JUST ONE INDICATOR OF THE KINDS JUST ONE INDICATOR OF THE KINDS OF PEOPLE WHO MAY BE EXPOSED IN OF PEOPLE WHO MAY BE EXPOSED IN THE CONTINUING OF THIS THE CONTINUING OF THIS INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. LOOK, THE FACT THAT JOFFREY LOOK, THE FACT THAT JOFFREY BERMAN PUT OUT A STATEMENT ON BERMAN PUT OUT A STATEMENT ON SATURDAY, THAT’S UNUSUAL FOR SATURDAY, THAT’S UNUSUAL FOR THEM TO PUT OUT A STATEMENT AT THEM TO PUT OUT A STATEMENT AT ALL ABOUT A CASE SO QUICKLY OVER ALL ABOUT A CASE SO QUICKLY OVER A WEEKEND, AND THE FACT THAT HE A WEEKEND, AND THE FACT THAT HE MADE THAT POINT ABOUT THERE MADE THAT POINT ABOUT THERE BEING A CONSPIRACY AND WE’RE BEING A CONSPIRACY AND WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE INVESTIGATING GOING TO CONTINUE INVESTIGATING AND WE WANT VICTIMS TO COME AND WE WANT VICTIMS TO COME FORWARD, I DON’T THINK HE WOULD FORWARD, I DON’T THINK HE WOULD HAVE DONE THAT IF THERE WERE HAVE DONE THAT IF THERE WERE JUST SORT OF LET’S THROW IT UP JUST SORT OF LET’S THROW IT UP AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. THAT WOULD BE PRETTY RISKY ON THAT WOULD BE PRETTY RISKY ON HIS PART. HIS PART. THEY CLEARLY HAVE ALREADY I THEY CLEARLY HAVE ALREADY I THINK SOME IDEA WHERE THIS IS THINK SOME IDEA WHERE THIS IS GOING IN TERMS OF GOING IN TERMS OF CO-CONSPIRATORS. CO-CONSPIRATORS. WHETHER THAT TURNS OUT TO BE WHETHER THAT TURNS OUT TO BE GHISLAINE — I CAN’T PRONOUNCE GHISLAINE — I CAN’T PRONOUNCE HER NAME. HER NAME. MAXWELL MAXWELL MAXWELL MAXWELL MAXWELL. MAXWELL. AND OTHER MORE HIGH-PROFILE AND OTHER MORE HIGH-PROFILE PEOPLE I DON’T KNOW. PEOPLE I DON’T KNOW. BUT THEY ARE GOING TO KEEP BUT THEY ARE GOING TO KEEP PURSUING THIS I THINK CRIMINALLY PURSUING THIS I THINK CRIMINALLY AND CIVILLY IN TERMS OF AND CIVILLY IN TERMS OF FORFEITURE OF HIS ASSETS. FORFEITURE OF HIS ASSETS.>>THE U.S. ATTORNEY SAID TO>>THE U.S. ATTORNEY SAID TO MIMI’S POINT ON SATURDAY O’”TO MIMI’S POINT ON SATURDAY O’”TO THOSE BRAVE YOUNG WOMEN WHO HAVE THOSE BRAVE YOUNG WOMEN WHO HAVE ALREADY COME FORWARD AND TO THE ALREADY COME FORWARD AND TO THE MANY OTHERS WHO HAVE YET TO DO MANY OTHERS WHO HAVE YET TO DO SO, LET ME REITERATE THAT WE SO, LET ME REITERATE THAT WE REMAIN COMMITTED TO STANDING FOR REMAIN COMMITTED TO STANDING FOR YOU IN OUR INVESTIGATION OF THE YOU IN OUR INVESTIGATION OF THE INVESTIGATION OF THE CONDUCT INVESTIGATION OF THE CONDUCT CHARGED IN THE INDICTMENT, WHICH CHARGED IN THE INDICTMENT, WHICH INCLUDED A CONSPIRACY COUNT, INCLUDED A CONSPIRACY COUNT, REMAINS ONGOING.” REMAINS ONGOING.” SO JOHN, THAT’S THE ESSENCE OF SO JOHN, THAT’S THE ESSENCE OF WHAT WE KNOW CONTINUES. WHAT WE KNOW CONTINUES.>>CONSPIRACIES ARE RARELY>>CONSPIRACIES ARE RARELY CONDUCT ADD LOAN. CONDUCT ADD LOAN. CONSPIRACIES USUALLY INVOLVE CONSPIRACIES USUALLY INVOLVE CO-CONSPIRATORS, AND WE HAVE CO-CONSPIRATORS, AND WE HAVE SOME IDEA ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO SOME IDEA ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE CLOSE TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN. WERE CLOSE TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN. MISS MAXWELL IS ONE OF THE MISS MAXWELL IS ONE OF THE PEOPLE POINTED TO FREQUENTLY. PEOPLE POINTED TO FREQUENTLY. IT IS THE CASE NOT BEING A IT IS THE CASE NOT BEING A LAWYER BUT HAVING LISTENED TO A LAWYER BUT HAVING LISTENED TO A LOT OF SMART LAWYERS OVER THE LOT OF SMART LAWYERS OVER THE WEEKEND THAT THE ONE POSITIVE WEEKEND THAT THE ONE POSITIVE ELEMENT OF THEN TIRE THING AND ELEMENT OF THEN TIRE THING AND THERE ARE REALLY — IT’S THERE ARE REALLY — IT’S OBVIOUSLY A REALLY DARK FURNISH OBVIOUSLY A REALLY DARK FURNISH OF EVENTS. OF EVENTS. BUT THE NOTION THAT THERE WILL BUT THE NOTION THAT THERE WILL NO LONGER BE STANDING OR THE NO LONGER BE STANDING OR THE ABILITY TO CHALLENGE THE ABILITY TO CHALLENGE THE SEARCHES OF ALL OF GEOFFREY SEARCHES OF ALL OF GEOFFREY EPSTEIN’S PROPERTIES, OF ALL OF EPSTEIN’S PROPERTIES, OF ALL OF HIS BANK RECORDS, THAT HE WON’T HIS BANK RECORDS, THAT HE WON’T HAVE LAWYERS WHO HAVE STABBEDING HAVE LAWYERS WHO HAVE STABBEDING ING ING STANDING TO FIGHT, SO IF THERE STANDING TO FIGHT, SO IF THERE ARE CASES THAT WILL BE BROUGHT ARE CASES THAT WILL BE BROUGHT AGAINST CO-CONSPIRATORS IT AGAINST CO-CONSPIRATORS IT SHOULD BE FOR A COMMITTED SET OF SHOULD BE FOR A COMMITTED SET OF PROSECUTORS EASIER TO GET PROSECUTORS EASIER TO GET EVIDENCE OF THAT CONSPIRACY THAN EVIDENCE OF THAT CONSPIRACY THAN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S LAWYERS WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S LAWYERS FIGHTING AT EVERY TURN. FIGHTING AT EVERY TURN. AND THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE AND THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE TESTS OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS TESTS OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS INVESTIGATION IS SERIOUS OR NOT. INVESTIGATION IS SERIOUS OR NOT. ARE WE NOW GOING TO SEE ARE WE NOW GOING TO SEE PROSECUTORS OR INVESTIGATORS PROSECUTORS OR INVESTIGATORS JUST RANSACKING EVERY L JEFFREY JUST RANSACKING EVERY L JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S LIFE IN ORDER TO TRY EPSTEIN’S LIFE IN ORDER TO TRY TO FIND WHATEVER EVIDENCE EXISTS TO FIND WHATEVER EVIDENCE EXISTS OF ANYONE WHO IS COMPLICIT OF ANYONE WHO IS COMPLICIT WHETHER THEY’RE A CO-CONSPIRATOR WHETHER THEY’RE A CO-CONSPIRATOR OR JUST COMPLICIT IN THIS OR JUST COMPLICIT IN THIS BEHAVIOR BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT BEHAVIOR BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE VICTIMS ARE OWED. THE VICTIMS ARE OWED.>>MIMI, ARE WE GOING TO KNOW>>MIMI, ARE WE GOING TO KNOW HOW JEFFREY EPSTEIN DIED AND WHY HOW JEFFREY EPSTEIN DIED AND WHY HE DIED AND WHO’S RESPONSIBLE? HE DIED AND WHO’S RESPONSIBLE?>>WELL, LOOK, THE INSPECTOR>>WELL, LOOK, THE INSPECTOR GENERAL’S REPORT I THINK THEY GENERAL’S REPORT I THINK THEY GENERALLY MAKE THEIR FINDINGS GENERALLY MAKE THEIR FINDINGS PUBLIC. PUBLIC. AND HER REASONABLY INDEPENDENT AND HER REASONABLY INDEPENDENT FROM BILL BARR ALTHOUGH PART OF FROM BILL BARR ALTHOUGH PART OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF KNOWING THAT. KNOWING THAT. THE FBI INVESTIGATION — AND BY THE FBI INVESTIGATION — AND BY THE WAY, I’M NOT CASTING THE WAY, I’M NOT CASTING ASPERSIONS ON THE FBI AGENTS ASPERSIONS ON THE FBI AGENTS THEMSELVES. THEMSELVES. THIS IS ABOUT BARR OVERSEEING THIS IS ABOUT BARR OVERSEEING IT. IT. THAT IF IT’S A CRIMINAL THAT IF IT’S A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION WE WOULD ONLY KNOW INVESTIGATION WE WOULD ONLY KNOW ABOUT IF THEY BROUGHT CRIMINAL ABOUT IF THEY BROUGHT CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST SOMEONE. CHARGES AGAINST SOMEONE. AND I THINK IT’S JUST TOO EARLY AND I THINK IT’S JUST TOO EARLY TO SAY THAT. TO SAY THAT. I THINK ALSO THROUGH HOUSE I THINK ALSO THROUGH HOUSE OVERSIGHT WE WILL GET SOME OVERSIGHT WE WILL GET SOME ANSWERS. ANSWERS. SO YES, I THINK WE WILL GET THE SO YES, I THINK WE WILL GET THE ANSWERS. ANSWERS. I THINK IT’S PROBABLY GOING TO I THINK IT’S PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE LONGER THAN PEOPLE WANT, TAKE LONGER THAN PEOPLE WANT, WHICH IS WHY BILL BARR SHOULD WHICH IS WHY BILL BARR SHOULD NOT BE DOING WHAT HE’S DOING NOT BE DOING WHAT HE’S DOING ALREADY, WHICH IS PUTTING OUT A ALREADY, WHICH IS PUTTING OUT A FEW LITTLE SELECT CRYPTIC FACTS FEW LITTLE SELECT CRYPTIC FACTS WITH HIS SPIN ON IT.

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AMNA NAWAZ, PBS NEWSHOUR ANCHOR: Good evening. I’m Amna Nawaz. Judy Woodruff is away. On the “NewsHour” tonight: Protestors in Hong Kong bring one of the world’s
busiest airports to a standstill, as fears grow over a Chinese military crackdown. Then, new threats of extinction as the Trump
administration changes the rules of the Endangered Species Act. And on the ground at the Iowa state fair,
where butter sculptures and 2020 presidential hopefuls vie for voters’ attention. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I agree with what Biden
has to say, but I also agree with Warren and what Sanders has to say. So I’m right now, I’m kind of conflicted. (END VIDEO CLIP) AMNA NAWAZ: All that and more on tonight’s
“PBS NewsHour”. (BREAK) AMNA NAWAZ: Air traffic in Hong Kong was brought
to a ground stop after a fourth day of protests inside the international airport. More than 150 flights were canceled. Thousands of anti-government demonstrators
occupied the terminal, holding signs and chanting calls for democratic reforms. They’re demanding the resignation of the territory’s
chief executive Carrie Lam, and an investigation into police use of force. We’ll have more on this after the news summary. The Trump administration finalized rollbacks
on the Nixon-era Endangered Species Act today. The changes end automatic end automatic endangered
specifies protections for those classified as threatened. They’ll also allow economic cost to factor
into whether or not a species should be protected. Conservation groups and at least 10 attorneys
general have warned the move could put more wildlife at risk for extinction. We’ll take a closer look at the impact of
today’s rollback later in the program. In economic news: a sell-off in the banking
and technology sectors caused stocks to plunge on Wall Street today. The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost 391
points to close at 25,896. The Nasdaq fell more than 95 points, and the
S&P 500 slid 36. In Eastern China, meanwhile, the death toll
from a weekend typhoon has now risen to at least 45 people. Rescue workers are still evacuating residents
stranded in buildings after their streets were submerged by floodwaters. Crews have been working to clean up debris
left behind. Meanwhile, in southern India, days of torrential
rain and mudslides have now killed nearly 100 people and displaced 400,000 others. In the worst-hit state of Kerala, muddy water
filled the roads as rescue workers in boats helped people evacuate. At least one crocodile found refuge on the
roof of a submerged home. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) AJEET PATTANKUDI, RESCUED LOCAL (through translator):
It has been at least five to six days. Everybody is stuck in flooded villages. Animals and others all are stuck there. People are facing a lot of problems. Water has come from all directions. Water has entered all the houses. (END VIDEO CLIP) AMNA NAWAZ: Local officials in the state of
Karnataka said the flooding was the worst they’ve seen in 45 years. In Congo, two experimental drugs are showing
promise in the fight against Ebola. They’re part of a clinical trial that began
last November. The therapies are the first of their kind
to treat patients who’ve already contracted the highly contagious disease. People who received the drugs shortly after
becoming infected had a 90 percent survival rate. The Ebola outbreak in Congo killed more than
1,800 people over the past year. Back in this country, a friend of a gunman
who killed nine people outside of bar in Dayton, Ohio, told investigators he purchased the
body armor and ammunition that were used in the rampage. Federal prosecutors unsealed charges against
Ethan Kollie today. But they emphasized there was no evidence
Kollie knew about the shooter’s plans. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BENJAMIN GLASSMAN, U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THE SOUTHERN
DISTRICT OF OHIO: In the course of this ongoing investigation into the August 4th shooting,
anyone who is discovered to have any criminal culpability for any act that is ultimately
discovered through the investigation or contributed in any way to the events on August 4 is going
to be held criminally responsible. (END VIDEO CLIP) AMNA NAWAZ: Kollie was charged today with
lying on a federal firearms form used for an unrelated gun purchase. Also today, lawyers for comedian Bill Cosby
appeared before a Pennsylvania appeals court today, in a bid to overturn his sexual assault
conviction. They argued a judge denied Cosby a fair trial
by letting additional accusers testify in a case that concerned only one allegation. The 82-year-old Cosby is now serving a prison
sentence of three to 10 years for drugging and assaulting a woman in 2004. A decision on the appeal is not expected for
several months. Still to come on the “NewsHour”: how will
the Chinese government respond to protestors in Hong Kong shutting down a major airport;
questions and conspiracy theories in the wake of billionaire sex offender Jeffrey Epstein’s
death; the Trump administration moves to radically reduce the amount of legal immigration to
the U.S.; Democratic hopefuls head to the storied Iowa state fair and our politics Monday
team examines the state of the race. Plus much more. (BREAK) AMNA NAWAZ: Hong Kong’s airport was shut down
today, occupied by thousands of protesters. The authorities in Beijing again struck an
ominous note, comparing the mass protests to terrorism, and, as thousands of Chinese
security personnel mustered on Hong Kong’s border, Beijing declared there should be,
quote, no leniency or mercy for the protesters. Jonathan Miller of Independent Television
News reports. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) JONATHAN MILLER, INDEPENDENT TELEVISION NEWS
REPORTER: In air thick with tear gas, inside an underground station, Hong Kong police last
night resorting to ever harsher tactics. These protestors had been attempting to flee. Across the harbor, outside a Kowloon police
station, a protester was shot in the eye with a (INAUDIBLE) from a police shot gun. Despite wearing protective goggles, her eyeball
was ruptured and there are fears she could lose her eye. Earlier in the same location, police fried
tear gas from inside the station. A battle ensued, as protestors laid siege. Then this. A policeman inside suffered burns to his legs. Today, an infuriated Beijing lashed out, branding
this terrorism. The state council, Chinas cabinet, ratcheting
up the ruthlessness of the rhetoric, leaving no room now to back down. These were serious and sinister crimes, it
said, protestors reckless. Things had reached what the spokesman called
a critical juncture. YANG GUANG, SPOKESMAN, HONG KONG AND MACAU
AFFAIRS OFFICE (through translator): Such violent crimes must be resolutely cracked
down on, in accordance with the law. No leniency, no mercy, we strongly support
the Hong Kong police as they enforce the law strictly to bring the criminals to justice
as soon as possible. JONATHAN MILLER: There’s been mounting alarm
in Hong Kong, over whether China might order military onto the streets. But today, communist party papers released
footage complete with sinister soundtrack, showing convoy of people’s armed police
heading to Shenzhen on Hong Kong’s northern border. These paramilitary under command of central
military council headed by President Xi Jinping himself have been used to put down protest,
often brutally, in other regions. Growing outrage over police brutality led
to thousands of demonstrators converging today on Hong Kong International Airport, one of
the busiest in the world, forcing the total cancellation of all flights in and out. It’s the protestors that were brutal today,
the police said, exhibiting weapons they said were confiscated. Most Hong Kongers won’t buy that now, the
trust is broken. There are 28 years still to go before China
can take full control of Hong Kong. But Beijing looks impatient to bring the territory
under its authoritarian aegis. Among Hong Kongers, banks and businesses,
a quiet but rising panic. (END VIDEOTAPE) (BREAK) AMNA NAWAZ: Attorney General William Barr
today sharply criticized the management of the Manhattan federal jail where wealthy financier
Jeffrey Epstein was found dead in his cell this weekend. As John Yang reports, Epstein’s death does
not mean the end to the federal sex-trafficking investigation that led to his indictment. JOHN YANG, PBS NEWSHOUR CORRESPONDENT: Amna,
in his remarks today, the attorney general also pledged that any co-conspirators should
not rest easy. The victims, he said, deserve justice and
they will get it. So where does the case go now? Jessica Roth is a professor at Yeshiva University’s
Cardozo School of Law, and joins us from New York. Jessica Roth, thanks. What do prosecutors in the case of the United
States versus Jeffrey Epstein do now that Jeffrey Epstein is dead? JESSICA ROTH, YESHIVA UNIVERSITY: Well, the
case against Jeffrey Epstein himself will be dismissed because he’s now deceased and
you can’t proceed with a criminal case against a person who’s dead, but the overall criminal
investigation will continue. Over the weekend, U.S. attorney for the southern
district of New York, Geoff Berman issued a statement in which he made clear that the
criminal investigation would continue and he said that his office would continue to
stand for the victims, stand up for the victims, and, in particular, he pointed to the fact
that Jeffrey Epstein had been charged in one count of the indictment with conspiring with
others to engage in sex trafficking and that’s significant because the law of conspiracy
requires proof that two or more persons agreed to commit a crime. And what that means is that Mr. Berman was
prepared to prove in court that at least one other person and possibly others were engaged
in a criminal conspiracy with Jeffrey Epstein. JOHN YANG: Well, we know that in the Flor
— that highly criticized Florida non-prosecution agreement, there are named — were named four
potential co-conspirators who were not charged, and in this New York indictment, there were
three people cited though not named who also participated in this. Do you think we’re likely to see indictments
against those folks coming up in the coming days? JESSICA ROTH: I don’t know about the timeline,
but certainly from everything that’s been indicated by the U.S. attorney’s office and
what’s been publicly reported, it would seem that they have significant evidence against
other people. As you mentioned in the indictment, there
are people identified not by name but in terms of the role that they played. So, clearly, the U.S. attorney’s office has
evidence against those other people and they will be pursuing that investigation and looking
also at the evidence that was collected during the search of Jeffrey Epstein’s home that
was done on the day of his arrest to see what that yields at the involvement of co-conspirators
and accomplices. It’s been reported that his pilots have been
subpoenaed for their testimony, and they would have significant information about who was
else may have been involved in arranging the travel for the sex trafficking. So I think we need to be patient as the investigators
reorient to a case in which Jeffrey Epstein will not sit at the table, but Mr. Berman
made clear that the investigation is ongoing. JOHN YANG: And even without a conviction,
can prosecutors go after his assets or in this case, I guess, his estate? JESSICA ROTH: Yes. So there’s still a process in which the U.S.
attorney’s office, through its U.S. attorneys office, can go after assets that were used
to facilitate the crimes that have been alleged here. So, for example, his Manhattan town house,
allegedly, was involved — was used as a place where some of the unlawful activity occurred. If his properties in the Virgin Island were
involved. Those also could be sought through what’s
called a civil asset forfeiture proceeding. The advantage of that, first, is that it can
be handled by the U.S. attorney’s office, and any assets that were recovered distributed
to victims for restitution through the federal government. It also allows a proof by preponderance of
evidence standard which is a civil standard of proof rather than the criminal beyond a
reasonable doubt standard. It allows offers an advantage frankly, of
allowing the narrative of what unfolded in his crimes to be told, because much of the
same proof would be offered that would have been offered in a criminal trial against Jeffrey
Epstein. JOHN YANG: And, of course, this doesn’t do
anything to the civil lawsuits that might be coming from accusers? JESSICA ROTH: No, those can proceed as well. So, the accusers have multiple avenues through
which they can seek some measure of justice. None will be the same, of course, as actually
confronting Jeffrey Epstein in a criminal case. But through the civil lawsuits, they can pursue
his estate. As I mentioned, the civil asset forfeiture
proceedings against specific assets that were used to facilitate his crimes is another avenue
of potential relief, and then, of course, as we discussed a moment ago, there’s a possibility
of criminal proceedings against others who were his accomplices and co-conspirators. JOHN YANG: Jessica Roth of the Cardozo School
of Law, thank you very much. ROTH: Thank you. (BREAK) AMNA NAWAZ: The Trump administration announced
today that it plans to implement new immigration rules. As Yamiche Alcindor explains, it’s one of
the most aggressive steps yet to limit legal immigration. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) YAMICHE ALCINDOR, PBS WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT:
Today’s new rule from the Trump administration limits who will be eligible for a green card
in the United States. Under current law, immigrants are already
required to prove that they are not what the government deems a, quote, public charge. Today, Ken Cuccinelli, the acting head of
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, announced the plans. He said any immigrants who use– or who have
deemed likely to use a number of public benefits may not be eligible for legal status. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) KEN CUCCINELLI, ACTING DIRECTOR, U.S. CITIZENSHIP
AND IMMIGRATION SERVICES: The benefit to taxpayers is a long term benefit of seeking to ensure
that our immigration system is bringing people to join us as American citizens as legal permanent
residents first who can stand on their own two feet, who will not be reliant on the welfare
system, especially in the age of the modern welfare state which is so expansive and expensive
frankly. (END VIDEO CLIP) YAMICHE ALCINDOR: The new rule includes services
afforded to legal immigrants under current law, such as housing assistance, Medicaid
and food stamps. To break it all down, I’m joined by Theresa
Cardinal Brown. She is the director of immigration and cross
border policy at the Bipartisan Policy Center in Washington. Thanks so much, Theresa, for being here. Talk to me about how this will impact immigrants
and the legal immigration process in the United States and who will be most impacted by this
new rule. THERESA CARDINAL BROWN, BIPARTISAN POLICY
CENTER: Sure. So, the rule applies to those who are applying
to get green cards in the United States. And, so, one of the long-standing issues in
immigration laws as you mentioned is whether or not someone would become a public charge. That has been broadly defined as somebody
who has been mostly dependent on the government. It’s a criteria that has been, I’d say, used
sparingly, especially over the last couple of decades but has been a priority of this
administration to implement. So, it would look whether or not people who
are applying to be green cardholders have used public benefits that they might be eligible
for. It would apply to current immigrants or citizens
who are looking to sponsor others to come on green cards, and it would apply to some
non-immigrants who are looking to extend or change their status as well. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: What can you tell us about
how much immigrants use public benefits in comparison to native born Americans. THERESA CARDINAL BROWN: So, we did a literature
review a couple of years about who uses public benefits, and what we found is, in general,
individual immigrants use benefits less often and at lower rates than U.S. citizens do,
but some immigrant-headed households, particularly those with U.S. citizen children may use more
because the children are eligible for benefits that maybe the immigrant parents are not. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Critics of the new rule
say this is the Trump administration again unfairly targeting immigrants. There are talks there are going to be swift
legal challenges to this. How does this new rule really factor into
how the Trump administration has overall used its immigration agenda to target different
groups? THERESA CARDINAL BROWN: Well, particularly
its regulatory agenda has been about legal immigrants, and one of the things that we
have seen is that a lot of the regulatory changes that have been implemented have been
about reducing eligibility for legal immigration, reducing the number of people who can qualified
for legal immigration or slowing down the legal immigration process. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: You said the term public
charge had been kind of implemented and enforced sparingly. Tell us a little bit about the history of
the term public charge and how certain immigrant groups have been subject to that term and
what it’s meant overall and in the years coming. THERESA CARDINAL BROWN: Well, the idea of
preventing the poor or paupers from immigrating has been around basically since the beginning
of the republic. Initially when the United States was created,
states had control over who could immigrant and would look for people who they thought
might not be eligible to — able to work or support themselves. In the 1800s, Congress passed the sort of
uniform immigration rules, the Chinese Escalation Act that included this public charge rule. But, over the years, it has been very subjectively
enforced. So, for example, during the Ellis Island days,
they would look whether or not they thought somebody was physically able of performing
work, did they have family members already here, sponsors, did they bring any money with
them. So it was sort of on the fly. This has been a priority of this administration
to get a public charge rule published since the administration came in. An executive order was issued very early in
the presidency asking for this to be done. So, it’s new in that we don’t know exactly
how it’s going to be implemented. It’s still a relatively subjected standard,
especially that prospective looking part, is an immigrant likely to be become a public
charge? That’s where it’s a little more iffy because
they’re looking at things like, does the immigrant have a work history? What’s their education level? Do they have any health issues that might
affect whether or not they would become a public charge? We have to kind of see how that would be implemented,
but we’ve already seen some of these because consulates overseas have been implementing
some of this through the visa review process over the last year, already. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Now, I want to turn to a
major story from last week. Some 680 immigrants were arrested during immigration
raids at food processing centers in Mississippi. What goes into such raids and what legal consequences
if any might employers face? THERESA CARDINAL BROWN: So, a raid like that
is — that size and scope has probably been in process for many, many months. It probably was based on some information
that Immigration and Customs Enforcement received that those employers are employing undocumented
immigrants, then they also collaterally arrested undocumented immigrants they found on the
premises. Now, ICE will go through all that documents
that they found during those search warrants to see if they have enough evidence to proceed
with prosecutions of those employers. So, we may see some prosecutions, but historically,
it’s been much more difficult to prosecute employers for knowingly hiring undocumented
immigrants than it has been to arrest the undocumented immigrants themselves and see
them deported. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Well, lots of immigration
news. Thanks so much for joining us, Theresa Cardinal
Brown of the Bipartisan Policy Center. THERESA CARDINAL BROWN: Thank you. (END VIDEOTAPE) AMNA NAWAZ: With six months before the first-in-the-nation
Iowa caucuses, more than 20 presidential hopefuls descended on the Hawkeye State this weekend. As Lisa Desjardins reports, voters were navigating
crowds of people and the crowded candidate field. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) LISA DESJARDINS, PBS NEWSHOUR CORRESPONDENT:
Welcome to the Iowa state fair, a mix of high political stakes and high blood sugar all
on a stick, or on a soapbox. JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hello,
Iowa! JOHN DELANEY (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:
You have a very important choice to make. SEN. CORY BOOKER (D-NJ), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:
It’s going to be a test for all of us. SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:
This is the moment we bring our people together. REP. TULSI GABBARD (D-HI), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:
That’s why I’m here asking for your support. LISA DESJARDINS: The soapbox, where candidates
each get 20 minutes, has never held more presidential weight. Twenty-three contenders, including one GOP
challenger to President Trump, will come and go throughout the fair. And with each one comes a walking mosh pit
of press attention. None more so than former Vice President Joe
Biden, who barely had room at his own press conference. Biden has been here before, in failed runs
in 1988 and 2008. But he’s never had the lead in Iowa until
now. And it’s a large, nearly ten-point lead. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Go Joe! LISA DESJARDINS: His supporters feel they
know him. They trust him. LASHA ROBERTS: I like Joe Biden. I enjoyed him when he was with Obama and stuff,
and so I think he would definitely be a good candidate for sure. LISA DESJARDINS: But opponents question if
Biden sparks enough passion. How do you do that? JOE BIDEN: Look at the polls. So far, so good. I do it by being me. Look, no one’s ever including reporters cover
me all the time. No one’s ever doubted I mean what I say. The problem is sometimes I say all that I
mean. MATT PAUL, IOWA DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: It’s
everything. LISA DESJARDINS: Matt Paul has deep roots
with the Democratic Party in Iowa. He ran Hillary Clinton’s winning Iowa campaign
in 2016. Despite Biden’s early lead, Paul says the
state is still up for grabs. MATT PAUL: He’s popular here, but he has work
to do. He’s got to be here more. I think he’s got to talk about the future. LISA DESJARDINS: Some voters are more blunt
about Biden. TAYLOR WYSS: If he was the primary candidate,
I would still vote for him. But I don’t want him to be the candidate. I want someone new and fresh. SEN. KAMALA HARRIS (D-CA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:
Good morning, good morning. LISA DESJARDINS: Among those angling as new
and fresh is California Senator Kamala Harris, third in Iowa polls. Her staff is energetic and her fair crowd
was large, but she dipped in the last poll here, and admits she’s still building. KAMALA HARRIS: We have over 65 staff in Iowa. And, you know, there are people in this race
who have had national profiles for many years. I’m still introducing myself to people. SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:
2020 is our big chance. LISA DESJARDINS: Quickly surging here is Massachusetts
Senator Elizabeth Warren, now second in the Iowa polls, and captain of what many see as
the best organized ground game in the state, with fired-up volunteers like Joie Otting. JOIE OTTING: I think it’s important that we
just take a new, almost radical — not to call Elizabeth Warren radical — but take
a big change in direction. LISA DESJARDINS: This is a problem for Bernie
Sanders. BERNIE SANDERS: Let me make a major announcement:
pretty good. LISA DESJARDINS: The Vermont senator is still
popular in Iowa, but losing the most ground to Warren. Over one million people will come to the Iowa
state fair. And that is a prime political audience, especially
for the many Democrats trying to break into the top tier. The problem: there are just so many candidates. And they’re seemingly everywhere — flipping
pork, pouring beer, and counting corn kernels. Voters are overwhelmed. MISSY PRICE: I’m a registered Democrat. I’m an open-ticket voter, but I have no
clue what I’m going to do. UNIDENTIFIED MAE: Buttigieg. Biden. GRANT WALLER: Biden. I like Beto, but we’ll see how it goes with
that. KEVIN CAVALLIN: I agree with what Biden has
to say. But I also agree with Warren and what Sanders
has to say. So, I’m right now, I’m kind of conflicted. LISA DESJARDINS: And thus, candidates are
self-separating in groups. The Midwesterners. How do you break out? SEN. AMY KLOBUCHAR (D-MN), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:
I think you do it the old fashioned way. You just keep reaching out to people and you
meet people. REP. TIM RYAN (D-OH), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: When
people hear what I have to say, especially coming from Ohio and being in Iowa, it’s very
similar culturally. LISA DESJARDINS: Those focused on personal
contact. SEN. KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND (D-NY), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:
I’ve had a lot of town halls, lots of events at breweries, and it makes a difference because
people can get to know me, I can get to know them, make sure I’m lifting up their voices. TULSI GABBARD: I’m really focused on is
do what we’re doing out here today really getting down into communities here in Iowa
and New Hampshire and other parts of the country. JULIAN CASTRO (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:
I believe that as the race gets smaller and smaller, people pay more attention to the
candidates. LISA DESJARDINS: And the I-can-get-it-done
policy folks. ANDREW YANG (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The
way we break out is by just keep hammering the message the American people that we need
solutions not sound bites, and that it’s not their imagination. JOHN DELANEY: When the field shrinks, they’re
going to start focusing on ideas, who’s got the best ideas, who’s the best person to beat
Trump. And that’s when I think I can break through. JOHN HICKENLOOPER (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:
I’ve just got to keep finding fresh ways to talk about what we did in Colorado, and
most importantly, how we brought people together. LISA DESJARDINS: And then there’s New Jersey
Senator Cory Booker, who says he’s already rising in less-noticed metrics like endorsements
and staff. CORY BOOKER: The people that have gone on
are people more like me, the people like Jimmy Carter or Barack Obama or Bill Clinton, are
people who were considered long shots this far out. But what were they were doing was they were
building incredible organizations here in Iowa. LISA DESJARDINS: There’s another issue for
Democrats in Iowa, beating President Trump in a state he won by nine points. DAN PUTNEY: I like Trump. I like Trump. He’s just… He’s just a guy. He’s not a politician. He’s just a guy like — like me. LISA DESJARDINS: Here, the move by Democrats
to the left for the primary is pushing some away. PATRICIA PUTNEY: They’re so liberal. They just don’t even want to move on in this
world. They want everything to be socialism. They want everything to be calm and nice and
everybody loves everybody. But you know sometimes you got to get out
and get a little aggressive. LISA DESJARDINS: At the Iowa state fair this
week, scenes of whirling Americana, rows of fried foods and some 40,000 prize ribbons. But, for candidates — far less reward. Traditionally, just the top three finishers
in Iowa are thought to have a real shot at the nomination. The fair marks the end of summer for the state,
but it’s the beginning of the real heat in the race for president. For the “PBS NewsHour”, I’m Lisa Desjardins
at the Iowa state fair in Des Moines. (END VIDEOTAPE) AMNA NAWAZ: Of course, the Iowa state fair
stretches on until next Sunday (AUDIO GAP). We’re here now for our “Politics Monday”
segment. I’m joined by Shawna Thomas and Tamara Keith. Thanks to you both for being here. (CROSSTALK) SHAWNA THOMAS, VICE NEWS: Good with you. AMNA NAWAZ: So, no fried food, no butter sculptures,
but a lot of politics to talk about. SHAWNA THOMAS: Yes. AMNA NAWAZ: The Iowa state fair, Tam, is supposed
to be an opportunity for the candidates to break away from the pack, take a chance to
shine if they can or kind of continue in the middle and fight for air. Did anyone stand out to you over the last
few days? TAMARA KEITH, NPR: So, I was there. I was technically on vacation. I did eat fried foods but also — I can’t
turn off — SHAWNA THOMAS: You played political tourist. TAMARA KEITH: I played political tourist. You can’t turn it off. SHAWNA THOMAS: And so, what I saw is that
candidates like Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren who are not at the very top in the
polls drew very large crowds of very interested people who came early and stayed late and
watched their speeches. In fact, for Warren, when she was speaking
at the soap box, you actually couldn’t walk past the entire grand passageway or whatever
it’s called. The big road in the middle of the fairgrounds
was just completely congested with people who had stopped to watch her speak. And so, that — and that sort of reflects
what you’ve seen in the polls, which is that Elizabeth Warren, you know, taking as many
selfies as she has to take at every event, has begun to sort of notch things up in Iowa,
I believe, in the latest Iowa poll. She’s in seconds behind Joe Biden. AMNA NAWAZ: Shawna, every selfie matters at
this stage but it’s worth reminding people still over six months away before anyone in
Iowa casts a vote. How much does this matter, this cycle? SHAWNA THOMAS: I mean, how much does the Iowa
state fair matter in any cycle? AMNA NAWAZ: Ever, yes. SHAWNA THOMAS: The thing is, what our correspondent
on Vice News was telling me and she was out there as well was there was so much media
there that she was confused as to whether the candidates were actually able to speak
to Iowans one on one. And so, yes, you have “The Des Moines Register”
soapbox. We all enjoy seeing that. It’s a good way to get for a candidate to
get their stump speech out there. But also, the point of the Iowa state fair
in visiting sort of historically has been to try to have those one-on-one interactions
with Iowans. AMNA NAWAZ: Right. SHAWNA THOMAS: And the sort of like, and the
thing is, you know, what one guy told us was like, all Iowans are here. It’s not just a Democratic Party event. It’s not some special interest event. You could run into anyone, but it’s also kind
of hard apparently to do with the amount of media that’s there. But hopefully, some of them took advantage
of having conversations with people who would not necessarily be able to see them or want
them to see them like at a general Democratic event or something like that. AMNA NAWAZ: So, they want to get as much as
attention as they can. SHAWNA THOMAS: Yes. AMNA NAWAZ: Not all attention is good attention,
though. One of the story lines we’ve been talking
about is how former Vice President Joe Biden has done so far in some of these events. I want to play for you, guys, just a couple
of quick sound bytes. They’re from two different events. One from Thursday, one from Saturday, but
these are the kinds of comments from Mr. Biden that are getting attention right now. Take a listen. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JOE BIDEN: Poor kids are just as bright and
just as talented as white kids, wealthy kids, black kids, Asian kids. (APPLAUSE) JOE BIDEN: I watched what happened to those
kids from Parkland came up to see me when I was vice president. (END VIDEO CLIP) AMNA NAWAZ: So, you know, Tam, we’re calling
these as gaffes in this conversation, right? He misspeaks. He corrects himself. Sometimes he has to come back and correct
himself a little later. Is it fair criticism of him right now? TAMARA KEITH: It is Joe Biden. Joe Biden has called himself a gaffe machine. He — this is sort of a trademark. He does this. He’s done this his entire political career. When he announced that he was going to run
for president, that he was running for president, you knew that this was going to happen and
it has continued to happen all along. One thing that’s been sort of puzzling to
me is why this weekend is the weekend that everyone started to talk about, well, will
Joe Biden’s gaffes matter? And I think that the way they could matter
is if voters decide that it’s an indicator of something larger, if it taps into a concern
that voters have perhaps about his age or some other thing like that. But that Joe Biden would say the wrong words
or stumble is not new. SHAWNA THOMAS: Yes. AMNA NAWAZ: What do you think, Shawna? SHAWNA THOMAS: But I think the thing is, when
he said the wrong words and stumbled historically when we both covered him before, it’s Uncle
Joe. It’s, like, OK, it’s Joe Biden, he’s great,
look, whatever. Much like in some ways the awkward touching
and that kind of thing. But when you are the frontrunner for — to
be president and everyone thinks you may actually have a shot at getting the Democratic nomination,
everyone is going to pay even more attention to every little stumble, and I do think that
is going to get worse. Now, some of why this has been highlighted
is Trump’s team is the one who sort of pushed this narrative event. I am interested to see if like a lower tier
presidential candidate goes along this narrative, like a one who’s actually on the Democratic
side, because, of course, President Trump is going to push this. He wants to beat Biden. He thinks Biden is the guy to beat. But does — do the Cory Bookers of the world
or does someone else start trying to talk about Joe Biden’s age and play these gaffes
or anything like that, does it cause Democratic infighting? And I think that’s something to be more worried
more about at this stage with Biden. AMNA NAWAZ: You mentioned President Trump,
but I want to ask you about something else. Over the weekend, he retweeted a post from
a comedian linking the Clintons to the death of Jeffrey Epstein, the accused sex trafficker
in jail this weekend. We’re not showing it here because it is a
conspiracy theory. It’s baseless. It traces back years, just some far right
conspiracy theories. Shawna, of all the things the president could
have been tweeting about this weekend, why this? SHAWNA THOMAS: Because he — I mean, I can’t
get into the president’s head and I can’t pretend to be in the president’s head, but
he saw something, it attacked the Clintons, he is still attacking the Clintons, people
still cheer “lock her up” at his events, at his campaign events. And, you know what? He pressed retweet. And this is just what he does. He has spread other conspiracy theories. We can go all the way back to Barack Obama’s
birth certificate. Now, yes, he could have been tweetings about
other things like, hey, does the Bureau of Prisons have staffing problems? What is going on there? There are some real issues with Epstein and
will his victims be able to be able to see justice, and that kind of thing. But, you know, this is what the president
likes to do and now we’re talking about it. AMNA NAWAZ: Tammy, with 63 million Twitter
followers, there’s — you know, I have been in countries where conspiracy theories and
misinformation campaigns are very active, it has an impact. Do you worry about that here? Is there concern? TAMARA KEITH: We are also in a country where
conspiracy theories have been very active especially in recent years, especially with
social media, and President Trump has at times retweeted or otherwise trafficked in conspiracy
theories. So, that he’s doing this now is not really
out of character. It’s something that he does. And I think that we are in a time in this
country where conspiracy theories, for whatever reason, are particularly sticky, and especially
on the right but not entirely on the right, also very much on the left conspiracy theories
have taken hold. And so, this is — this is sort of — this
is where we are. SHAWNA THOMAS: And the question really — I
mean, the larger question that comes out of this conspiracy thing is what do we do about
social media? And are we going to hold social media companies
accountable for the spread of things that are not true? And this is something that Congress has been
talking about and they have been trying to tackle it, but they haven’t done anything
yet. I think this reiterates that that conversation
is really important. AMNA NAWAZ: Another conversation to have at
another time. SHAWNA THOMAS: There will be so many. AMNA NAWAZ: Shawna Thomas of “Vice News”,
Tamara Keith of NPR, thanks to you both. TAMARA KEITH: You’re welcome. SHAWNA THOMAS: Thanks. (BREAK) AMNA NAWAZ: The Trump administration is making
some of the broadest changes in years to the Endangered Species Act, the landmark law signed
by President Richard Nixon that’s been credited with saving iconic species like the bald eagle
and the grizzly bear. William Brangham explores what today’s changes
could mean. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) WILLIAM BRANGHAM, PBS NEWSHOUR CORRESPONDENT:
That’s right, Amna. The Endangered Species Act currently protects
about 1,600 species in the U.S. by limiting the activities that could harm those species. And it’s been overwhelmingly successful in
protecting those plants and animals. But the act has been a target for Republican
lawmakers and industry groups for years. They argue these protections cost too many
jobs and too much money. Now, the Trump administration is proposing
changes that one Democratic lawmaker referred to as taking a wrecking ball to the act. Joining me now is “New York Times” environmental
reporter Lisa Friedman. Lisa Friedman, welcome back to the “NewsHour”. LISA FRIEDMAN, ENVIRONMENTAL REPORTER, THE
NEW YORK TIMES: Thanks so much for having me. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Before we get to the administration’s
proposed changes, what can we say — what species can we credit are alive today because
of the Endangered Species Act? LISA FRIEDMAN: The Endangered Species Act
has helped to save from extinction some of the most well-known plant and animal species
in the country, the bald eagle, the grizzly bear, the humpback whale, are all species
that owe a tremendous amount to the protection of the Endangered Species Act. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: As I mentioned before, the
Republican lawmakers for decades have hated this law, wanted to dial it back. Industry groups said the same, saying it’s
too costly, it’s not really helping as much as it is hurting our industries. What is the Trump administration proposing
with these new changes? LISA FRIEDMAN: There are a number of changes
in the final rules that were issued today. A number of them are ones that environmental
groups fear will severely weaken protections for plant and animal species. I list just two of the big ones for now. One of them is a measure that would weaken
the ability of scientists to protect species against the threats of climate change. Another is a phrase that would introduce the
ability of the federal government to include economic analysis. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: An analysis, meaning if
we’re going to protect X species that might cost us Y amount of money. LISA FRIEDMAN: Absolutely right. Currently, the way the law reads, scientists
can only consider one thing when they’re deciding whether or not to list species as
threatened or endangered, the science. Is it threatened? Should it be listed? That language is going to be eliminated, and
what replaces it will give the federal government the ability to conduct analyses just as you
described to find out whether listing a species will cost money, will cost money and perhaps
lost development. The Interior Department has insisted that
this won’t change anything, that decisions will still be made purely on the basis of
science. They just want to have the information and
be able to know the information when these listing possibilities come up. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: These changes are coming
amidst a lot of news about endangered species. We saw the U.N. a few months ago put out this
report indicating that upwards of a million plant and animal species globally could be
threatened if we don’t change our ways. LISA FRIEDMAN: Yes. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Help me understand what
the administration is arguing here. Are they saying, here in the U.S., we are
doing endangered species just fine or are they saying we can do it in a better way? What are they arguing? LISA FRIEDMAN: Yes. I think, you know, what we heard from the
administration is it’s possible to both be stewards of the environment while also cutting
red tape, and their argument is that that is what they’re doing with this regulation
today. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Is there a sense that if
these changes go through, any particular species that might be impacted? LISA FRIEDMAN: You know, one of the ones we
hear about a lot are species that are affected by climate change and, you know, one that
comes to mind easily is the polar bear. The polar bear habitat is going to be affected
dramatically by climate change. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Their sea ice and their
habitat disappears year after year. LISA FRIEDMAN: Exactly. Some of these changes are far into the future. Whether this new regulation hamstrings scientists’
ability to take action to protect these species is something that the environmental groups
are very worried about. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: We know these are proposed
rules, probably going to be some lawsuits, right? What’s the future look like? LISA FRIEDMAN: Today, we heard from the attorneys
general of Massachusetts and California, they have vowed to sue. Senator Udall, who you mentioned, said that
he’s going to be looking at legislative measures to block this in Congress. It seems with the makeup of this Congress,
it’s going to be very hard to pass anything that would block this legislatively. So, I think the — some of these questions
about whether this regulation will stand the test of time are going to be answered in the
courts. WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Lisa Friedman of “The New
York Times,” thank you. LISA FRIEDMAN: Thank you. (END VIDEOTAPE) AMNA NAWAZ: Nancy Armour is a sports columnist
for “USA Today”. In her latest piece, Armour said, quote: Simone
Biles isn’t just best gymnast of her time, she’s an athlete for the ages. She joins me now from Chicago. Nancy, thanks for being with us. So, the triple-double is two flips with three
twists. Just how big a deal is this move? NANCY ARMOUR, SPORTS COLUMNIST, USA TODAY:
It is huge. It’s the — the physics of it alone are really
unbelievable, almost. I mean, consider the fact that she is turning
herself end over end twice, but at the same time, she is twisting her body around three
times. You have to have the physics of that exactly
right or you basically will stop in the air and kind of plop to the ground. And she also has to know exactly where she
is in the air, otherwise, she could do real damage if she’s off at all. The power and the strength that it takes to
do this is really nothing short of amazing, and, obviously, this is why it’s taken so
long for a woman to even try it, let alone land it like she did. AMNA NAWAZ: You wrote in your column, she
got so much height that if there was an SUV parked on the floor, she would have cleared
it. And it’s worth noting it’s one of two
record-breaking moves she made, right? NANCY ARMOUR: Yes, she also did a double-double
off, dismount off a balance beam, which is a double-twisting double summersault, and
what makes that so amazing is she’s basically at a complete standstill before she does it. So, imagine that you are trying to dunk a
basketball from flat feet. It’s not exactly comparable but pretty close. So, what she’s doing, the power and the strength
that she has to get these moves, it’s unmatched, and not just in her sport, I would say in
pretty much any sport. AMNA NAWAZ: And it’s worth noting, that
little interview piece we just heard from her which was just days prior to her giving
this performance. I mean, the fact that she is out there, still
competing for USA Gymnastics, speaking out so bravely about the abuse she said she suffered,
and then giving performances like this, what does that say to you about Simone Biles? NANCY ARMOUS: She’s not only an amazing athlete,
she’s an amazing person. And Simone recognizes the power that she has
and influence she has. She’s the best thing that USA gymnastics has
going and has had going for the last couple of years. And she picks her spots and she picks what
she wants to say and how she wants to say it, but she recognizes that she has an influence
and that she can hold USA Gymnastics’ feet to the fire and USOC and even Congress, because
she is the best gymnast in the history for sport and she’s been failed, and somebody
has to answer that, and she continues to point that out and demand that they do right not
just by her but the other hundreds of women who were abused by Larry Nassar. AMNA NAWAZ: Nancy, there’s a reason the move
from this weekend has gone viral. People know that they are watching greatness
when they see it go by. You wrote about this in your column. You compared it to Mohammed Ali’s Rumble
in the Jungle, Serena Williams winning the Australian Open when she was pregnant. You mentioned Simone Biles being one of the
best gymnasts of all time. Is it fair to say she’s one of the best athletes
of all time? NANCY ARMOUR: I think so. I was struck last night that this is going
to be one of these things — and I’ve seen her do many spectacular things, many of them. But this is one of those things that a decade
from now, two decades from now, I’ll be able to picture it in my mind, if somebody
says Simone Biles’ triple-double, or what was the best move you ever saw Simone Biles
do, this will immediately come to mind. And I think that is the mark of an athlete
who has transcended not just in their own sports but across sports. And if she doesn’t qualify, then I don’t know
who does. AMNA NAWAZ: We’re all lucky to watch that
greatness in action. Nancy Armour of “USA Today”, thank you
so much. NANCY ARMOUR: Thanks for having me. (BREAK) AMNA NAWAZ: “Star Wars” creator George
Lucas and “Game of Thrones” author George R.R. Martin have cited him as an influence
on their work, helping them imagine what an adventure story might look like. Now, N.C. Wyeth, who led a family of American art royalty,
gets a new look in an exhibition of his illustrations and paintings. Jeffrey Brown reports for our ongoing arts
and culture series, “Canvas.” (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) JEFFREY BROWN, PBS NEWSHOUR CORRESPONDENT:
The beautiful Brandywine River Valley in Pennsylvania: inspiration and home to Newell Convers better
known as N.C. Wyeth. Today, it’s also home to the Brandywine River
Museum of Art, in Chadds Ford, which is giving Wyeth a new look. It was Robert Louis Stevenson who wrote the
beloved adventure tale, “Treasure Island.” But for millions of American, beginning in
the early 20th century, it was Wyeth who created the lasting images of pirates and much more. CHRISTINE PODMANICZKY, CO-CURATOR, “N.C. WYETH: NEW PERSPECTIVES”: The personal paintings,
the illustrations, he did mural work, he did advertising work. So, his reach into the different aspects of
visual culture is so broad. JEFFREY BROWN: Christine Podmaniczky is co-curator
of the exhibition, “N.C. Wyeth: New Perspectives.” The goal here: to present a more well-rounded
portrait of an artist who painted scenes of rural life here and in coastal Maine, where
he had a residence, but who remains best known for his book illustrations, the smaller reproductions
of his large-scale paintings for such classic children’s stories as “Robin Hood”, “Last
of the Mohicans”, “King Arthur”. Wyeth’s genius, says Podmaniczky, was to find
just the right moment in the story to bring to life. As when young Jim Hawkins first leaves home
in treasure island. CHRISTINE PODMANICZKY: I said goodbye to mother
and the cove. That’s all Stevenson writes — JEFFREY BROWN: That’s it? CHRISTINE PODMANICZKY: That’s it. JEFFREY BROWN: One line? CHRISTINE PODMANICKZY: That’s it. All he writes about Jim Hawkins leaving home,
going off on this exploit where he’s to search for treasure. But when you look at the painting, you see
how much N.C. Wyeth has brought here in the form of emotion. First of all, the characters themselves, the
look on Jim Hawkins face. But his use of shadow, the sharp lines, the
sort of cloud over the mother, posture, all sorts of things heighten the sense of what’s
going on. JEFFREY BROWN: Wyeth’s first breakthrough,
in 1902, was a cover for the “Saturday Evening Post,” imagery of an already past and mythic
American west. He created magazine advertisements, including
for “Cream of Wheat”. It was a time before television and our own
screen-saturated lives, the golden age of illustration, and Wyeth was at its forefront. The commissions allowed him to buy property
here in Pennsylvania and to support the other part of his life for which he became best
known: as patriarch of an American art family dynasty, father of five children, three of
them painters, most famously the youngest, Andrew. Andrew Wyeth would become one of the biggest
names in 20th century American art, also focusing on his hometown of Chadds Ford and summer
home in Maine, including the celebrated Christina’s World from 1948. Andrew’s son, N.C.’s grandson, is Jamie
Wyeth. This is the grounds of your childhood, huh? JAMIE WYETH, PAINTER/GRANDSON, N.C. WYETH: Yes, my grandfather’s orchard and
whatnot, and then my aunt used this and studio. JEFFREY BROWN: Jamie now 73 and also a prominent
painter, first learned to draw in the grand studio N.C. built here. Jamie never knew his grandfather, who died
in 1945, age 62, in a car accident at a railroad crossing. The studio is owned by the Brandywine Museum. This is pretty much the way it was when you
were a kid? JAMIE WYETH: Totally, it hasn’t been changed
at all. It’s as if he walked out of it yesterday. JEFFREY BROWN: He painted this giant mural
for a Wilmington bank. JAMIE WYETH: My father told me that he would
watch his father walk up, put a brush stroke on, and walk back to see the visual effect. JEFFREY BROWN: So, he’d go up and back and
up and back. JAMIE WYETH: Back and forth, yes, putting
them in — I mean, it’s pretty loosely and thinly done when you get up to it, but to
do this expression and then get back knowing this thing would be 50 feet from the viewers,
and whatnot. JEFFREY BROWN: All around, the collection
of items he gathered for his book illustrations. JAMIE WYETH: Coming to this studio was magical
to me because here, it was full of costumes and cutlasses and flintlocks, and a lot of
his illustrations were still in the back room here. So I’d go through them for hours. JEFFREY BROWN: This was like the amusement
park in a way. JAMIE WYETH: Oh, my God, it was just magical. My father, of course, I would pump him and
ask him about N.C. Wyeth and he said, he wanted the paintings
to leap out of the page as you read them, to grab you by the neck. And they sure do. JEFFREY BROWN: As the show makes clear, though,
N.C. also had larger ambitions: to be taken seriously as a fine artist, rather than just
a successful commercial illustrator. Much of the exhibition’s second floor displays
the more personal paintings Wyeth created largely for himself, as well as two from his
late-in-life, first solo exhibition in a New York gallery. Among those: island funeral, which uses paint
Wyeth made from dyes he received from the nearby DuPont Company CHRISTINE PODMANICZKY: Ands that’s how he
gets these beautiful, deep, sort of jewel-like tones here. There’s a lot of tension going on here between
the old-fashioned bird’s eye view, the new cutting-edge dyes, the death of an island
patriarch. Well, N.C. Wyeth is in his late 50’s at this point, he
is already been publicized, if you will, as the patriarch of his own family. So there are thoughts, I think, of mortality
here. JEFFREY BROWN: There are also signs of Wyeth,
a traditional artist, flicking at some of the more modern painting techniques of his
time. CHRISTINE PODMANICZKY: This is one of the
most fascinating paintings as far as technique goes because you have him here trying to capture
the light on this chain mail or armor, and it’s just a magnificent piece of painting. JEFFREY BROWN: And grandson Jamie goes so
far to see in this exhibition an unusual kind of group show all by one painter. JAMIE WYETH: He tried so many different techniques,
so many different approaches. Some are very Cezanne-like, broken color,
impressionistic, tried them all, which is wonderful, I guess, you know? There’s a wonderful little self- portrait
of him looking. It’s just teeny and just very delicately done. JEFFREY BROWN: Painting, Jamie says, has been
the family passion. JAMIE WYETH: It was sort of like another world,
the comparing the three generations and so forth. And I happen to adore their work. I mean, these two individuals, very different
individuals, very different approaches to painting — I mean, what a thing to build
on. JEFFREY BROWN: The elder Wyeth himself, though,
never achieved the recognition he craved. JAMIE WYETH: He looked at it and thought his
life had just been doing these children’s books. It was hard for me to conceive that, though. I mean, he had to have looked at — I remember
my mother, she said when she first met him, she was very young and said, oh, Mr. Wyeth,
I love your illustrations, your “Treasure Island”, and he said, you’ll grow out of
that. JEFFREY BROWN: Really? JAMIE WYETH: Uh-huh. And he was wrong. JEFFREY BROWN: “N.C. Wyeth: New Perspectives” is at the Brandywine
River Museum of Art through September 15th. For the “PBS NewsHour”, I’m Jeffrey
Brown in Chadds Ford, Pennsylvania. (END VIDEOTAPE) AMNA NAWAZ: The exhibit moves next to the
Portland Museum of Art in Maine and, in 2020, the Taft Museum of Art in Cincinnati. And that’s the “NewsHour” for tonight. I’m Amna Nawaz. Join us online and again here tomorrow evening. For all of us here at the “PBS NewsHour”,
thank you. We’ll see you soon. END

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YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, HOW DID SHE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN HOW DID SHE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THIS LIFESTYLE AND HOW MUCH OF THIS LIFESTYLE AND HOW MUCH OF THAT AND HOW MUCH OF THOSE MEANS THAT AND HOW MUCH OF THOSE MEANS CAME FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN AND CAME FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN AND HOW MUCH WAS MONEY SHE MAY HAVE HOW MUCH WAS MONEY SHE MAY HAVE HAD THAT COULD HAVE BEEN HAD THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SEPARATE FROM HER FATHER. SEPARATE FROM HER FATHER. THE WHOLE THING IS A MYSTERY. THE WHOLE THING IS A MYSTERY. IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE GETS IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE GETS INTO EPSTEIN’S WORLD. INTO EPSTEIN’S WORLD. IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE STAYED IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE STAYED THIS IN WORLD. THIS IN WORLD. SHE HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT OF SHE HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT OF CHELSEA CLINTON’S WEDDING. CHELSEA CLINTON’S WEDDING. HOW DID SHE STAY IN THIS MIX AND HOW DID SHE STAY IN THIS MIX AND TRAVEL IN THESE CIRCLES AND TRAVEL IN THESE CIRCLES AND WHERE DID THINGS GO NEXT FOR WHERE DID THINGS GO NEXT FOR HER? HER?>>NO AUTHORITIES KNOW AND THEY>>NO AUTHORITIES KNOW AND THEY HAVE NOT TOLD US? HAVE NOT TOLD US?>>IT IS NOT A QUESTION THEY>>IT IS NOT A QUESTION THEY WOULD DIVLULGE TO US. WOULD DIVLULGE TO US. NOBODY HAVE SEEN HER OR HEARD NOBODY HAVE SEEN HER OR HEARD FROM HER FOR A LONG TIME. FROM HER FOR A LONG TIME. WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HER WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HER ATTORNEYS NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. ATTORNEYS NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. WHEN WE DO THIS STORY AND WE WHEN WE DO THIS STORY AND WE TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY IN THEIR ACTIONS, IT IS THEIR IN THEIR ACTIONS, IT IS THEIR POLICIES HERE AND WE TRY TO POLICIES HERE AND WE TRY TO REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON AND REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON AND THAT PARTY BECAUSE THAT’S THE THAT PARTY BECAUSE THAT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. RIGHT THING TO DO. WE WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. WE WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. IF MAXWELL IS STILL SOLICITING, IF MAXWELL IS STILL SOLICITING, WE KNOW OUR NUMBERS AND WE HAVE WE KNOW OUR NUMBERS AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO REACH YOU AND WE BEEN TRYING TO REACH YOU AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THOSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU REFERENCED ON DOCUMENTS THAT YOU REFERENCED ON FRIDAY. FRIDAY.>>STEVE, NOW WHAT HE’S DEAD,>>STEVE, NOW WHAT HE’S DEAD, ALL THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING ALL THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO WHETHER IT IS GHISLAINE INTO WHETHER IT IS GHISLAINE MAXWELL’S MONEY OR TO DEUTSCHE MAXWELL’S MONEY OR TO DEUTSCHE BANK, WHERE DO THOSE BANK, WHERE DO THOSE INVESTIGATIONS GO? INVESTIGATIONS GO? DO THEY DIE AWAY WITH HIM? DO THEY DIE AWAY WITH HIM?>>THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT>>THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE. HERE. THERE IS MONEY MOVING LEFT AND THERE IS MONEY MOVING LEFT AND RIGHT AND TRANSACTIONS DATING RIGHT AND TRANSACTIONS DATING BACK MANY YEARS. BACK MANY YEARS. THESE ARE MANY MILLIONS OF THESE ARE MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MOVING AROUND. DOLLARS MOVING AROUND. THE BANKS ARE SERPTCERTAINLY LOO THE BANKS ARE SERPTCERTAINLY LOO AT THEIR OWN RECORDS AND THERE AT THEIR OWN RECORDS AND THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE AS IT IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE AS IT RELATE TO THE MONEY. RELATE TO THE MONEY.>>IT WAS JUST REPORTED MOMENTS>>IT WAS JUST REPORTED MOMENTS AGO. AGO. WEXNER WAS THE ONLY SOURCE FOR WEXNER WAS THE ONLY SOURCE FOR EPSTEIN TO GET AS WEALTHY AS HE EPSTEIN TO GET AS WEALTHY AS HE DID. DID. WEXNER GAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY WEXNER GAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY WHICH WAS UNHEARD OF OVER HIS WHICH WAS UNHEARD OF OVER HIS BILLION DOLLARS FORTUNE. BILLION DOLLARS FORTUNE. WEXNER IS NOW IN THE LAST FEW WEXNER IS NOW IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS WORKING WITH AUTHORITIES. MONTHS WORKING WITH AUTHORITIES. WHY DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WHY DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IF YOU ARE LES WEXNER AND IF YOU ARE LES WEXNER AND EPSTEIN STOLE TENS OF MILLIONS EPSTEIN STOLE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM YOU OVER A OF DOLLARS FROM YOU OVER A DECADE AGO, WHY WOULD YOU WORK DECADE AGO, WHY WOULD YOU WORK WITH AUTHORITIES THEN. WITH AUTHORITIES THEN.>>MR. WEXNER REVEALED HE’S BEEN>>MR. WEXNER REVEALED HE’S BEEN A VICTIM OF FINANCIAL. A VICTIM OF FINANCIAL. MR. EPSTEIN HAD THIS AFFILIATION MR. EPSTEIN HAD THIS AFFILIATION WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS. WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS. SO THAT RAISES QUESTION. SO THAT RAISES QUESTION. WHY AUTHORITIES WERE NOT CALLED WHY AUTHORITIES WERE NOT CALLED IN BACK IN 2007, AT THE TIME IT IN BACK IN 2007, AT THE TIME IT WAS DISCOVERED. WAS DISCOVERED.>>HAD WEXNER GIVEN AN ANSWER TO>>HAD WEXNER GIVEN AN ANSWER TO THAT? THAT?>>IF I WALK INTO VICTORIA’S>>IF I WALK INTO VICTORIA’S SECRET RIGHT NOW AND STOLE A SECRET RIGHT NOW AND STOLE A BRA, I WOULD GET ARRESTED. BRA, I WOULD GET ARRESTED.>>WHY WOULD WEXNER NOT CALL>>WHY WOULD WEXNER NOT CALL AUTHORITIES WHEN EPSTEIN STOLE 6 AUTHORITIES WHEN EPSTEIN STOLE 6 BILLION BUCKS FROM HIM AT LEAST. BILLION BUCKS FROM HIM AT LEAST.>>WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME>>WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY, ROUGHLY A AMOUNT OF MONEY, ROUGHLY A $100 MILLION RECRUITED BACK AS $100 MILLION RECRUITED BACK AS PART OF THIS BUT THERE HAS NOT PART OF THIS BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN A FULL AREA ON THAT ASPECT. BEEN A FULL AREA ON THAT ASPECT.>>WILL THERE BE A LEGAL REASON>>WILL THERE BE A LEGAL REASON TO GET THESE ANSWERS FROM THE TO GET THESE ANSWERS FROM THE LIKES OF WEXNER. LIKES OF WEXNER. OBVIOUSLY REPORTERS ARE OBVIOUSLY REPORTERS ARE INTERESTED. INTERESTED. LES WEXNER DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE LES WEXNER DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE OUR CALLS. OUR CALLS. ARE THERE GOING TO BE DEMANDS OR ARE THERE GOING TO BE DEMANDS OR INCREASES FROM THE GOVERNMENT INCREASES FROM THE GOVERNMENT NOW THAT EPSTEIN IS DEAD. NOW THAT EPSTEIN IS DEAD.>>ONE IS FROM A CIVIL>>ONE IS FROM A CIVIL STANDPOINT FOR THE VICTIMS WHEN STANDPOINT FOR THE VICTIMS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THEM GETTING WE TALK ABOUT THEM GETTING JUSTICE. JUSTICE. SOME OF THESE FIGURES MAY HAVE SOME OF THESE FIGURES MAY HAVE FUNDED EPSTEIN AND IF THAT MONEY FUNDED EPSTEIN AND IF THAT MONEY AND ANY MONEY THAT WENT TO AND ANY MONEY THAT WENT TO EPSTEIN TO FUND THIS CONSPIRACY EPSTEIN TO FUND THIS CONSPIRACY THAT IT WAS BEING CHARGED WITH, THAT IT WAS BEING CHARGED WITH, THAT’S SOMETHING THAT THAT’S SOMETHING THAT PROSECUTORS COULD BE INTEREST PROSECUTORS COULD BE INTEREST IN. IN. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY CAME IN AND KEEP AN EYE MONEY CAME IN AND KEEP AN EYE ON. ON. FOR THE LAST FOOIIVE YEARS, THEY FOR THE LAST FOOIIVE YEARS, THEY HAD BANKING RECORDS. HAD BANKING RECORDS. IF EARNINGS DISCLOSE THAT IN IF EARNINGS DISCLOSE THAT IN PUBLIC FILINGS. PUBLIC FILINGS.>>WOULD IT BE EASIER TO GET>>WOULD IT BE EASIER TO GET SOME OF THIS INFORMATION NOW SOME OF THIS INFORMATION NOW THAT HE’S DEAD? THAT HE’S DEAD?>>IF I AM EPSTEIN’S LAWYER, I>>IF I AM EPSTEIN’S LAWYER, I AM NOT GELTTTING PAID BY HIM AS AM NOT GELTTTING PAID BY HIM AS SATURDAYS. SATURDAYS.>>SOME OF THOSE ATTORNEYS MAY>>SOME OF THOSE ATTORNEYS MAY BE MANAGING HIS ESTATE. BE MANAGING HIS ESTATE. FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THE BORA FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THE BORA KIMABLES KIMABLES BILLABLES KEEP GOING BECAUSE BILLABLES KEEP GOING BECAUSE THEY ARE MANAGING ON STATE. THEY ARE MANAGING ON STATE. WE ARE REPORTING HERE — WE ARE REPORTING HERE –>>EPSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS?>>EPSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS?>>IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT THE>>IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT THE ESTATE WOULD SUE MCC. ESTATE WOULD SUE MCC. DANNY DANNY DANNY CEVALLOS BROUGHT UP A DANNY CEVALLOS BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT BEFORE. GREAT POINT BEFORE. IRREGULARITYIES OF THIS FACILITY IRREGULARITYIES OF THIS FACILITY>>HOLD ON, IRREGULARITIES THAT>>HOLD ON, IRREGULARITIES THAT ALLOWED HIM TO HAVE THE ALLOWED HIM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KILL HIMSELF. OPPORTUNITY TO KILL HIMSELF.>>THE POSSIBILITY DOES EXIST.>>THE POSSIBILITY DOES EXIST. IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. TO CONSIDER. I DON’T THINK THE IDEA THAT WE I DON’T THINK THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE THIS BUTTON UP BY THE END HAVE THIS BUTTON UP BY THE END OF THE WEEK AND HOW IT IS OF THE WEEK AND HOW IT IS EXECUTED IN THE STATE. EXECUTED IN THE STATE. IT IS COMPLICATED AND DEFINITELY IT IS COMPLICATED AND DEFINITELY GOING TO BE KEEP TRACK OF. GOING TO BE KEEP TRACK OF. THE CIVIL ATTORNEYS DEFINITELY THE CIVIL ATTORNEYS DEFINITELY HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS. HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS. THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO GET THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO GET FINANCIAL JUSTICE FROM JEFFERY FINANCIAL JUSTICE FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN.>>STEVE, IF I AM DEUTSCHE BANK>>STEVE, IF I AM DEUTSCHE BANK OR JP MORGAN AND IP AM WATCHING OR JP MORGAN AND IP AM WATCHING THE CLOCK, THIS GUY IS GOING TO THE CLOCK, THIS GUY IS GOING TO HAVE A TRIAL DATE A YEAR FROM HAVE A TRIAL DATE A YEAR FROM NOW, I AM GOING TO CALL TO BE NOW, I AM GOING TO CALL TO BE TESTIFY, ARE ALL THOSE PARTIES

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>>>THIS MORNING THERE ARE MORE>>>THIS MORNING THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. A WHOLE LOT MORE IN THE CASE A WHOLE LOT MORE IN THE CASE AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS APPARENT SUICIDE IN A MANHATTAN APPARENT SUICIDE IN A MANHATTAN JAIL OVER THE WEEKEND. JAIL OVER THE WEEKEND. HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THE REPORTER WHO BROKE QUESTIONS THE REPORTER WHO BROKE THIS STORY WIDE OPEN AND PUT THIS STORY WIDE OPEN AND PUT EPSTEIN BACK INTO THE EPSTEIN BACK INTO THE SPOTLIGHT, “MIAMI HERALD’S” SPOTLIGHT, “MIAMI HERALD’S” JULIE K. BROWN, FORMER FEDERAL JULIE K. BROWN, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR AND PROFESSOR AT PROSECUTOR AND PROFESSOR AT GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL PAUL GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL PAUL BUTLER AND CAMERON LINDSAY WHO BUTLER AND CAMERON LINDSAY WHO SERVED AS A FEDERAL PRISON SERVED AS A FEDERAL PRISON WARDEN AND SPECIFICALLY WORKED WARDEN AND SPECIFICALLY WORKED AT MULTIPLE FACILITIES INCLUDING AT MULTIPLE FACILITIES INCLUDING THE SISTER FACILITY OF WHERE THE SISTER FACILITY OF WHERE EPSTEIN WAS. EPSTEIN WAS. CAMERON, YOU KNOW I NEED ANSWERS CAMERON, YOU KNOW I NEED ANSWERS TO HOW THIS JAIL WORKS. TO HOW THIS JAIL WORKS. BUT JULIE, I HAVE TO GO TO YOU BUT JULIE, I HAVE TO GO TO YOU FIRST. FIRST. WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUT HIS DEATH? HEARD ABOUT HIS DEATH?>>I JUST COULDN’T BELIEVE IT.>>I JUST COULDN’T BELIEVE IT. I MEAN, I GOT A PHONE CALL AND I I MEAN, I GOT A PHONE CALL AND I SAID, NO. SAID, NO. YOU KNOW, THAT CAN’T BE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THAT CAN’T BE RIGHT. I THINK EVERYBODY HAD THE SAME I THINK EVERYBODY HAD THE SAME REACTION. REACTION. HOW COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? HOW COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? GIVEN THE FACT THAT HE ALLEGEDLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT HE ALLEGEDLY TRIED SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TWO TRIED SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THIS? WEEKS PRIOR TO THIS? EVERYBODY THOUGHT THE SAME EVERYBODY THOUGHT THE SAME THING. THING. WASN’T HE UNDER SUICIDE WATCH? WASN’T HE UNDER SUICIDE WATCH? HOW COULD SOMEBODY ON SUICIDE HOW COULD SOMEBODY ON SUICIDE WATCH COMMIT SUICIDE? WATCH COMMIT SUICIDE? WE NOW KNOW THAT HE SOMEHOW WE NOW KNOW THAT HE SOMEHOW MANIPULATED THINGS SO THAT HE MANIPULATED THINGS SO THAT HE GOT OFF OF SUICIDE WATCH SO EVEN GOT OFF OF SUICIDE WATCH SO EVEN SO — SO –>>DO YOU THINK HE MANIPULATED>>DO YOU THINK HE MANIPULATED THINGS TO GET OFF SUICIDE WATCH? THINGS TO GET OFF SUICIDE WATCH?>>YES, I DO.>>YES, I DO. I DO. I DO. BECAUSE OF HIS HISTORY. BECAUSE OF HIS HISTORY. REMEMBER THE WAY HE WAS REMEMBER THE WAY HE WAS INCARCERATED IN FLORIDA, I MEAN, INCARCERATED IN FLORIDA, I MEAN, HE HAD GUARDS WHO WERE LEAVING HE HAD GUARDS WHO WERE LEAVING HIS DOOR OPEN, GUARDS WHO WERE HIS DOOR OPEN, GUARDS WHO WERE BRINGING HIM STEW, YOU KNOW, BRINGING HIM STEW, YOU KNOW, GUARDS THAT WERE CUTTING HIS GUARDS THAT WERE CUTTING HIS HAIR. HAIR. HE WAS ALLOWED TO LEAVE EVERY HE WAS ALLOWED TO LEAVE EVERY DAY WITH HIS OWN VALET AND GO TO DAY WITH HIS OWN VALET AND GO TO AN OFFICE. AN OFFICE. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME YOU KNOW, IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME AT ALL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT ALL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMEHOW BEEN ABLE TO MANIPULATE SOMEHOW BEEN ABLE TO MANIPULATE THEM INTO GIVING HIM SOME TIME THEM INTO GIVING HIM SOME TIME TO HIMSELF. TO HIMSELF.>>I KNOW YOU’VE SPOKEN TO SOME>>I KNOW YOU’VE SPOKEN TO SOME OF THE VICTIMS SINCE SATURDAY. OF THE VICTIMS SINCE SATURDAY. HOW ARE THEY PROCESSING THIS? HOW ARE THEY PROCESSING THIS?>>I THINK THEY ARE ALL STILL IN>>I THINK THEY ARE ALL STILL IN SHOCK. SHOCK. YOU KNOW, IT’S A RANGE OF YOU KNOW, IT’S A RANGE OF EMOTIONS. EMOTIONS. IT’S SHOCK, IT’S GRIEF. IT’S SHOCK, IT’S GRIEF. IT’S ANGER REALLY. IT’S ANGER REALLY. THIS IS, REPRESENTS ANOTHER THIS IS, REPRESENTS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CRIMINAL EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, IN PARTICULAR TO JUSTICE SYSTEM, IN PARTICULAR TO WEALTHY MEN WHO SEEM TO BE ABLE WEALTHY MEN WHO SEEM TO BE ABLE TO GET A DIFFERENT KIND OF TO GET A DIFFERENT KIND OF JUSTICE THAN OTHER REGULAR JUSTICE THAN OTHER REGULAR PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY. PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY.>>HOW RELIEVED ARE THEY?>>HOW RELIEVED ARE THEY? WHERE DO ALL OF THESE WHERE DO ALL OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS OR EVEN THE INVESTIGATIONS OR EVEN THE REPORTING GO? REPORTING GO? LET’S SAY MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN LET’S SAY MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN HIS CIRCLE WERE NOT CRIMINALS HIS CIRCLE WERE NOT CRIMINALS AND SEX OFFENDERS LIKE HE WAS. AND SEX OFFENDERS LIKE HE WAS. BUT WHAT IF THEY WERE JUST BUT WHAT IF THEY WERE JUST ABSOLUTE VILE SLEAZE BAGS WHO ABSOLUTE VILE SLEAZE BAGS WHO DIDN’T WANT THE PILOTS TO SAY, DIDN’T WANT THE PILOTS TO SAY, HERE’S WHO’S BEEN ON THE PLANE HERE’S WHO’S BEEN ON THE PLANE TEN TIMES, 15 TIMES? TEN TIMES, 15 TIMES? ARE THOSE PEOPLE DANCING IN THE ARE THOSE PEOPLE DANCING IN THE STREETS? STREETS?>>NO.>>NO. I DON’T THINK SO AT ALL. I DON’T THINK SO AT ALL.>>WHY?>>WHY?>>I THINK THE U.S. PROSECUTOR>>I THINK THE U.S. PROSECUTOR IS GOING TO — THERE ARE A LOT IS GOING TO — THERE ARE A LOT OF DOCUMENTS OUT THERE. OF DOCUMENTS OUT THERE. WE DON’T KNOW COMPLETELY WHAT WE DON’T KNOW COMPLETELY WHAT THE U.S. ATTORNEY HAS BUT HE HAS THE U.S. ATTORNEY HAS BUT HE HAS A BIG PAPER TRAIL. A BIG PAPER TRAIL.>>WILL WE SEE THOSE DOCUMENTS>>WILL WE SEE THOSE DOCUMENTS NOW? NOW?>>I THINK IN TIME.>>I THINK IN TIME. YOU KNOW, WHEN HE BRINGS YOU KNOW, WHEN HE BRINGS INDICTMENTS AND THE CASE GOES TO INDICTMENTS AND THE CASE GOES TO TRIAL. TRIAL. HE WILL PROSECUTE OTHER PEOPLE HE WILL PROSECUTE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS I FEEL CERTAIN INVOLVED IN THIS I FEEL CERTAIN BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE OUT THERE, SOME OF IT, AND IT IS OUT THERE, SOME OF IT, AND IT IS VERY STRONG. VERY STRONG.>>PAUL, WITHIN MINUTES OF>>PAUL, WITHIN MINUTES OF LEARNING OF EPSTEIN’S DEATH THE LEARNING OF EPSTEIN’S DEATH THE INTERNET WAS FLOODED WITH INTERNET WAS FLOODED WITH CONSPIRACY THEORIES. CONSPIRACY THEORIES. THE PRESIDENT EVEN RETWEETING A THE PRESIDENT EVEN RETWEETING A CONSPIRACY THEORY TYING THE CONSPIRACY THEORY TYING THE CLINTONS TO THIS. CLINTONS TO THIS. IT IS NOT JUST — THERE ARE IT IS NOT JUST — THERE ARE CONSPIRACY THEORIES ALL OVER THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES ALL OVER THE PLACE. PLACE. HOW MUCH DOES THAT COMPLICATE HOW MUCH DOES THAT COMPLICATE THINGS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY THINGS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY GETTING JUSTICE HERE? GETTING JUSTICE HERE?>>HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW.>>HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW. WE KNOW MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WE KNOW MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WAS ENABLED BY THE FEDERAL WAS ENABLED BY THE FEDERAL PRISONS. PRISONS. HE WAS UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. HE WAS UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. SUICIDE WATCH. HE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOMEONE ELSE HE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOMEONE ELSE IN THE CELL WITH HIM. IN THE CELL WITH HIM. THAT PERSON WAS MYSTERIOUSLY THAT PERSON WAS MYSTERIOUSLY REMOVED ON FRIDAY. REMOVED ON FRIDAY. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKED HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKED EVERY 30 MINUTES AND APPARENTLY EVERY 30 MINUTES AND APPARENTLY WAS NOT CHECKED FOR HOURS. WAS NOT CHECKED FOR HOURS. SOMETHING BIZARRE WAS GOING ON. SOMETHING BIZARRE WAS GOING ON.>>OKAY.>>OKAY. BESIDES THE MOMENTARY OUTRAGE BESIDES THE MOMENTARY OUTRAGE THAT WE’RE EXPERIENCING TODAY, THAT WE’RE EXPERIENCING TODAY, WHAT — WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT — WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT? THAT?>>SO THE COCONSPIRATORS, MR.>>SO THE COCONSPIRATORS, MR. EPSTEIN’S VAST, CRIMINAL EPSTEIN’S VAST, CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY WAS ENABLED BY OTHER CONSPIRACY WAS ENABLED BY OTHER PEOPLE. PEOPLE. SOMEBODY HAD TO RECRUIT THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO RECRUIT THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. SOMEBODY HAD TO TRAIN THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO TRAIN THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. SOMEBODY HAD TO COERCE THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO COERCE THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. REMEMBER, THE BIZARRE TRAVESTY REMEMBER, THE BIZARRE TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE THAT THE FLORIDA PLEA OF JUSTICE THAT THE FLORIDA PLEA DEAL REPRESENTED SAID THAT THOSE DEAL REPRESENTED SAID THAT THOSE COCONSPIRATORS COULD NOT BE COCONSPIRATORS COULD NOT BE PROSECUTED. PROSECUTED. THANKFULLY THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THANKFULLY THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR NEW YORK, MR. BERMAN, DOES NOT NEW YORK, MR. BERMAN, DOES NOT AGREE WITH THAT. AGREE WITH THAT. HE SHOULD GO AFTER THOSE FOUR HE SHOULD GO AFTER THOSE FOUR COCONSPIRATORS VERY QUICKLY. COCONSPIRATORS VERY QUICKLY.>>HOW ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY?>>HOW ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY? DELAIN MAXWELL HAS BEEN WRITTEN DELAIN MAXWELL HAS BEEN WRITTEN UP OVER AND OVER AS THE UP OVER AND OVER AS THE COCONSPIRATOR, RECRUITER, OFTEN COCONSPIRATOR, RECRUITER, OFTEN THE TRAINER OF MANY OF THESE THE TRAINER OF MANY OF THESE YOUNG GIRLS. YOUNG GIRLS. IT IS REPORTED THEY DON’T EVEN IT IS REPORTED THEY DON’T EVEN KNOW WHERE SHE IS. KNOW WHERE SHE IS. THIS IS A WOMAN WHOSE FATHER THIS IS A WOMAN WHOSE FATHER DIED A SWINDLER, CON MAN, OWING DIED A SWINDLER, CON MAN, OWING OVER 43 BANKS $4 BILLION. OVER 43 BANKS $4 BILLION. A, HOW DID THIS WOMAN MAINTAIN A, HOW DID THIS WOMAN MAINTAIN HER SOCIALITE STATUS AND, B, WHY HER SOCIALITE STATUS AND, B, WHY IS IT THAT PEOPLE STILL DON’T IS IT THAT PEOPLE STILL DON’T KNOW WHERE SHE IS? KNOW WHERE SHE IS? I COULDN’T LIVE OFF THE GRID. I COULDN’T LIVE OFF THE GRID. I DON’T THINK YOU COULD EITHER. I DON’T THINK YOU COULD EITHER.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. I CAN’T REALLY ANSWER THAT I CAN’T REALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. QUESTION. I WOULD HOPE THEY ARE KEEPING I WOULD HOPE THEY ARE KEEPING TRACK OF HER AND THEY SHOULD TRACK OF HER AND THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING WHERE SHE IS HAVE BEEN LOOKING WHERE SHE IS EVERY SECOND. EVERY SECOND. SHE DOES HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP I SHE DOES HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP I UNDERSTAND WITH THE UK AND IS UNDERSTAND WITH THE UK AND IS ALSO ASSOCIATED IN RECENT YEARS ALSO ASSOCIATED IN RECENT YEARS WITH A LOT OF OCEANOGRAPHERS. WITH A LOT OF OCEANOGRAPHERS. SHE HAD A NONPROFIT SHE HAD A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. ORGANIZATION. SO THERE’S ALSO BEEN SOME SO THERE’S ALSO BEEN SOME SPECULATION THAT SHE COULD EVEN SPECULATION THAT SHE COULD EVEN BE ON A SUBMARINE SOMEWHERE IN BE ON A SUBMARINE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN. THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN. WHO KNOWS? WHO KNOWS? I MEAN, SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS I MEAN, SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS PRETTY SHARP THAT SHE WAS ABLE PRETTY SHARP THAT SHE WAS ABLE TO EVADE IT THIS LONG. TO EVADE IT THIS LONG.>>IF BILL BARR WANTS THEM TO>>IF BILL BARR WANTS THEM TO THE FBI CAN FIND THIS WOMAN. THE FBI CAN FIND THIS WOMAN. THE QUESTION IS DOES HE? THE QUESTION IS DOES HE?>>BILL BARR HAS SAID HE IS>>BILL BARR HAS SAID HE IS OUTRAGED. OUTRAGED. CAMERON, TAKE ME INSIDE OF THIS CAMERON, TAKE ME INSIDE OF THIS PRISON. PRISON. IS THERE ANY WAY SOMEONE OTHER IS THERE ANY WAY SOMEONE OTHER THAN EPSTEIN COULD HAVE THAN EPSTEIN COULD HAVE ORCHESTRATED HIS DEATH OR HAD A ORCHESTRATED HIS DEATH OR HAD A HAND IN IT? HAND IN IT? BECAUSE FOR THOSE OF US SITTING BECAUSE FOR THOSE OF US SITTING HERE, IT SIMPLY MAKES NO SENSE. HERE, IT SIMPLY MAKES NO SENSE.>>WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME>>WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS IS JUST A TERRIBLE JUST SAY THIS IS JUST A TERRIBLE EVENT THAT’S HAPPENED. EVENT THAT’S HAPPENED. I THINK IT IS A BLACK EYE ON OUR I THINK IT IS A BLACK EYE ON OUR ENTIRE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM ENTIRE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM FOR THE SAKE OF THE VICTIMS AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE VICTIMS AND UPHOLDING OUR SYSTEMS OF UPHOLDING OUR SYSTEMS OF JUSTICE. JUSTICE. THESE KINDS OF THINGS — THESE KINDS OF THINGS –>>WHAT IF A BLACK GUY IS THE>>WHAT IF A BLACK GUY IS THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS AND THOSE LESSER OF TWO EVILS AND THOSE ARE SAYING, YEP. ARE SAYING, YEP. THIS WILL BE HUMILIATING BUT AT THIS WILL BE HUMILIATING BUT AT LEAST WE’LL GET THIS GUY OUT OF LEAST WE’LL GET THIS GUY OUT OF THE PICTURE BECAUSE HE COULD THE PICTURE BECAUSE HE COULD HURT US WAY MORE THAN A BLACK HURT US WAY MORE THAN A BLACK EYE? EYE?>>THIS IS CERTAINLY GOING TO>>THIS IS CERTAINLY GOING TO FUEL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES. FUEL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES. VERY FRANKLY, IT’S GOING TO BE VERY FRANKLY, IT’S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS UNFOLDS. UNFOLDS. BUT I PREDICT WHAT WE’RE GOING BUT I PREDICT WHAT WE’RE GOING TO SEE IN THE END IS THAT TO SEE IN THE END IS THAT EPSTEIN WAS PROBABLY ABLE TO EPSTEIN WAS PROBABLY ABLE TO CHARM OR MANIPULATE A MENTAL CHARM OR MANIPULATE A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL INTO HEALTH PROFESSIONAL INTO BELIEVING THAT HE WAS NO LONGER BELIEVING THAT HE WAS NO LONGER A THREAT TO HIMSELF AND WAS A THREAT TO HIMSELF AND WAS THEREFORE PULLED OFF THE SUICIDE THEREFORE PULLED OFF THE SUICIDE WATCH. WATCH. PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EPSTEIN PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EPSTEIN SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN A CELL WITH SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN A CELL WITH ANOTHER INMATE TO HELP, PERHAPS, ANOTHER INMATE TO HELP, PERHAPS, KEEP HIM FROM KILLING HIMSELF. KEEP HIM FROM KILLING HIMSELF. I SEE THAT VERY DIFFERENTLY. I SEE THAT VERY DIFFERENTLY. FROM A CORRECTIONAL FROM A CORRECTIONAL ADMINISTRATOR PERSPECTIVE WHEN ADMINISTRATOR PERSPECTIVE WHEN YOU TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE YOU TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHO IS A JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHO IS A CONVICTED PEDOPHILE, WHO IS CONVICTED PEDOPHILE, WHO IS EXTREMELY HIGH PROFILE, A EXTREMELY HIGH PROFILE, A BILLIONAIRE CONNECTED TO BILLIONAIRE CONNECTED TO VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY, TO KILL VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY, TO KILL SOMEBODY, FOR AN INMATE TO KILL SOMEBODY, FOR AN INMATE TO KILL SOMEBODY LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN SOMEBODY LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN VERY FRANKLY WOULD BE A BADGE OF VERY FRANKLY WOULD BE A BADGE OF HONOR. HONOR. IN THE SUB CULTURE OF JAILS AND IN THE SUB CULTURE OF JAILS AND PRISONS THIS IS THE KIND OF GUY PRISONS THIS IS THE KIND OF GUY THAT IS GOING TO BE RIPE TO BE THAT IS GOING TO BE RIPE TO BE TAKEN OUT. TAKEN OUT. I BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN I BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SINGLE CELLED THE ENTIRE TIME. SINGLE CELLED THE ENTIRE TIME. ONCE HE HAD HIS SUICIDE ATTEMPT ONCE HE HAD HIS SUICIDE ATTEMPT IF THIS IS PROVEN, THEN FROM MY IF THIS IS PROVEN, THEN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE HE SHOULD HAVE PERSPECTIVE HE SHOULD HAVE REMAINED ON SUICIDE WATCH THE REMAINED ON SUICIDE WATCH THE ENTIRE TIME HE WAS IN THAT ENTIRE TIME HE WAS IN THAT FACILITY. FACILITY. HE WAS A PRETRIAL, PRESENTENCE HE WAS A PRETRIAL, PRESENTENCE FACILITY. FACILITY. HE THEREFORE WOULD NOT BE ON HE THEREFORE WOULD NOT BE ON SUICIDE WATCH INDEFINITELY. SUICIDE WATCH INDEFINITELY. AS SOON AS HIS CASE WERE TO BE AS SOON AS HIS CASE WERE TO BE ADJUDICATED THE BUREAU OF ADJUDICATED THE BUREAU OF PRISONS WOULD HAVE DESIGNATED PRISONS WOULD HAVE DESIGNATED HIM VERY QUICKLY TO THE HIM VERY QUICKLY TO THE INSTITUTION OF SERVICE OF INSTITUTION OF SERVICE OF SENTENCE MUCH LIKE THEY DID WITH SENTENCE MUCH LIKE THEY DID WITH GUZMAN, SHORTY GUZMAN. GUZMAN, SHORTY GUZMAN. AS SOON AS HIS CASE WAS AS SOON AS HIS CASE WAS ADJUDICATED OFF HE WENT TO THE ADJUDICATED OFF HE WENT TO THE ADX. ADX. THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I SEE THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I SEE WHERE THE AGENCY WENT WRONG VERY WHERE THE AGENCY WENT WRONG VERY FRANKLY. FRANKLY.>>JULIE, WHERE DOES YOUR>>JULIE, WHERE DOES YOUR REPORTING GO FROM HERE? REPORTING GO FROM HERE?>>I’M GOING TO KEEP FOLLOWING>>I’M GOING TO KEEP FOLLOWING THE TRAIL OF EVIDENCE THAT WE’VE THE TRAIL OF EVIDENCE THAT WE’VE DUG UP SO FAR WITH THESE DUG UP SO FAR WITH THESE DOCUMENTS THAT CAME OUT THE DOCUMENTS THAT CAME OUT THE OTHER DAY. OTHER DAY. THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, A LOT OF THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, A LOT OF THREADS TO FOLLOW. THREADS TO FOLLOW. THERE ARE NEW NAMES AS WE KNOW THERE ARE NEW NAMES AS WE KNOW OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLEGED TO OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE WAY OR HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER SO WE’LL START LOOKING I ANOTHER SO WE’LL START LOOKING I THINK CLOSER AT ALL OF THOSE THINK CLOSER AT ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS AND ALSO I THINK DOCUMENTS AND ALSO I THINK EVERYBODY IS HOPING THAT PERHAPS EVERYBODY IS HOPING THAT PERHAPS MORE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THIS MORE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THIS WILL COME FORWARD, MEANING — WILL COME FORWARD, MEANING –>>YOU THINK THEY WILL?>>YOU THINK THEY WILL?>>I DON’T KNOW.>>I DON’T KNOW. YOU KNOW, FIRST I THOUGHT THEY YOU KNOW, FIRST I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH HIM WOULD BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH HIM BEING GONE, MOST OF THEM TOLD ME BEING GONE, MOST OF THEM TOLD ME THEY DIDN’T WANT TO SPEAK THEY DIDN’T WANT TO SPEAK BECAUSE EITHER THEY HAD A BECAUSE EITHER THEY HAD A NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT WITH HIM NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT WITH HIM IF THEY WORKED FOR HIM OR THEY IF THEY WORKED FOR HIM OR THEY WERE AFRAID. WERE AFRAID. NOW WITH HIM GONE I THOUGHT, NOW WITH HIM GONE I THOUGHT, WELL MAYBE NOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WELL MAYBE NOW, YOU KNOW, HOW EFFECTIVE IS THE NONDISCLOSURE EFFECTIVE IS THE NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT GOING TO REALLY BE? AGREEMENT GOING TO REALLY BE? NOW WITH ALL THESE CONSPIRACY NOW WITH ALL THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES FLOATING OUT THERE, THEORIES FLOATING OUT THERE, THEY COULD VERY WELL BE AFRAID

Jeffrey Epstein's connection to President Trump and Alex Acosta, explained | Just The FAQs



well-known philanthropist and crony of celebrities Nobel laureates and presidents alike Jeffrey Epstein has been charged with sex trafficking girls as young as 14 according to the indictment the hedge fund manager intentionally sought out minors for sexual exploitation and knew that many of his victims were under the age of 18 but this is not the first encounter Jeffrey Epstein has had with the sex crimes unit in 2005 the Palm Beach Police Department later joined by the FBI investigated Epstein after a woman claimed her stepdaughter was paid $300 to strip and massage Epstein at the time Epstein's legal team included Kenneth Starr who was the special counsel on the four-year investigation that led to Bill Clinton's impeachment and Alan Dershowitz who served on a Jay Simpsons defense team in 1995 the legal team negotiated with the US Attorney of southern Florida Alex Acosta granting a non-prosecution agreement for Epstein and others involved in exchange Epstein registered as a sex offender and was convicted of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution which resulted in a 13 month jail sentence where Epstein spent 16 hours a day outside of prison at his nearby office Acosta who has since gone on to become US Secretary of Labor under President Trump has come under intense scrutiny for the non-prosecution deal which has been called the deal of a lifetime Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein have a history together as well having known each other since the early 1990s the New York Times reports that Trump hosted Epstein for a private party in 1992 that included dozens of women brought in tomorrow Lago to entertain just Trump and Epstein Trump claims that he and Epstein had a falling out and haven't spoken in 15 years federal prosecutors are now urging other possible victims to contact the FBI

Jeffrey Epstein Arrest Has DC’s Powerful Leaders Shaking In Fear



A lot of powerful people in America are shaking
with fear after billionaire Jeffrey Epstein was arrested this past weekend. The convicted pedophile has already served
an insulting lenient prison sentence. But his latest arrest could land him behind
bars forever, we hope. Joining me to talk about this and why so many
of DC's most powerful people are terrified is Farron Cousins from the Trial Lawyer Magazine. Farron, let me start off by saying this, you
were covering this story when nobody else was. The, the, our, our journalist was to cover
the story. We were talking about the story before anybody
would talk about it and what did we find out? We found out they wouldn't talk about it because
Bill Clinton's name was all over it. Just along with a bunch of insiders. Trump's name now comes up. Interesting. Interesting. I gotta, I gotta ask you this. The Trump message now is, well look, I was
so, this is Trump, I was so offended by Epstein that we don't allow him at Mar-a-lago anymore. I mean, you, did you follow that part of the
story? I did see that. He said, was apparently a decade ago. You can't come here. Is that true? Look, it's it, it's not. We know it's not, I mean, obviously and Epstein
actually recruited one of the girls, a 15 year old who was working at Mar-a-lago at
the time. Trump has always up until now, had wonderful
things to say about Epstein. You know, remarked one time he likes to party
with younger girls. He's a fun guy. But Bill Clinton also 26 trips on this guy's
plane over the years. I mean, they, this, this story. And of course Alex Acosta, labor secretary
was the prosecutor. Worked out that sweetheart deal. This touches everybody. This is not a left or right issue. This is a corrupt people. No, well how about Christine Pelosi saying
today. Hey Democrats, you better hold on because
you're going to have a lot of people who you really love being brought into this mess. Number One, Bill Clinton 20, is it 26 trips
that he made. 26 trips. To Lolita Island, I guess they call it, where
all the girls would be taken. Oh, and, and other places. Other continents on this jet. Yeah. Yes. France. Africa. Africa. Okay. So let's talk about what happened here. What happened is the Fed's again, dropped
the ball. Now we, here's what we see time and time again. Unless it's low hanging fruit and it's a slam
dunk case, the Fed's don't get involved. It's almost as if their prosecutors don't
have the ability to do what a trial lawyer should do, so they pass on the case. In this situation, it was more than that. In this situation the Fed's absolutely knew
that the names at the top of the list were people like Bill Clinton and they had been
told that. They had been given these names. They understood exactly who was involved. They didn't want to take the political heat,
so they took a pass on it. Did I get that right? Absolutely. And, and listen, that's the part of the story
that I think most of the media has completely ignored. Not just that he got the sweetheart deal,
but why? Because none of that makes any sense. Just looking from the outside. What was it, 13 months in prison he got for
sex with underage girls. Got to leave every day for 10 to 12 hours. Basically they said your sentence is stay
in this crappy hotel for 13 months. Yeah. Well, it was a, it was a private wing of the
jail. Right. Where he would come in for six hours a day. He had telephone, fax machines, telephone,
a television. Had, It was just like an apartment that they
gave Epstein. Now let me run this by you because you covered
it a little bit, I think early on. You were, I remember when you came up with,
with the, the list, it was the, the air, the pilot has to keep a manifest of who flies
and when they fly. So you did a show, what was it five years
ago on that manifest. You showed the names of the people that were
on and it was almost as if the rest of the media was sound asleep on this. Why? Because Bill Clinton is their darling and
Hillary Clinton is their darling and they knew what kind of impact that would have on
the election. Talk about that. What you had early on, the information that
you got from, by the way, the lawyer who broke this was Brad Edwards. It wasn't David Boies. You're seeing David Boies. David Boies did not break this story. Brad Edwards, a law, a lawyer down in South
Florida, along with Miami Herald, he did a superb job. But Brad Edwards is the guy that got this
all started. Again, the guys a brilliant trial lawyer down
in Miami. He's not getting any credit for what he's
done here. Right. He was representing victims several years
ago, you know, trying to get this reopened, trying to get some justice for these women
that Epstein had abused over the years and allowed other people to abuse. But as far as these flight logs go, we saw
there was a one flight in particular was Bill Clinton, another individual and then two girls. That's it. Yeah. And… In other words, two girls on the plane, on
the plane with Bill Clinton and another person and Epstein going to what I call Lolita Island,
where they have sex with underage children. And they made the special stop to pick up
those two girls. The person who was traveling with Bill Clinton
left the plane, brought the two girls, got them on the plane, plane takes off. We don't know what happens. We don't know who these girls are there. They're essentially, I, I don't mean this
derogatory, but, but they're nobodies and nobody's don't get on private jets with Bill
Clinton. Well, here's the way it's characterized. They had parents that weren't keeping up with
their kids. Okay? The kids leave school, by the way, in their
school uniforms, I mean dressed up. Some of them were actually in school uniforms. And, and so here's what, here's what they
have to overcome to defend themselves. It's not just one person that's saying this
went on. It's five, six, seven people who were eye
witnesses to the what was going. Dershowitz. Let's talk about Dershowitz just a little
bit. Dershowitz acts like, well I want all this
unsealed and as, as if he was carrying the sword for unsealing. No that doesn't sell cause he's the one that
got it sealed. He's the one that talked a judge who sealed
this from the American public. Like so many of these federal judges do, the
state judges do. It's a huge mistake. That, the American public has a right to understand
what happens when a pharmaceutical company is killing somebody with dead, with a deadly
pharmaceutical. When a corporation is killing an environment
with, with their toxins or when a criminal like Epstein commits the kind of awful kind
of conduct he does. We have a right to know. But judges are this idea of, no, we're going
to be the gatekeeper with what we allow and don't allow. This judge sealed this because Dershowitz
asked him to. Well and Dershowitz has taken a lot of heat
over the last few years for, for some reason defending Donald Trump at every turn. And Dershowitz the past has not been a conservative
by any stretch of the imagination. But for him to come out and always defend
Trump. And now it makes a little more sense when
you consider the fact that Dershowitz himself by some of these women has been accused of
engaging, you know, in these activities. He is also somebody, they have said, this
guy, I walked in on him with this underage girl. There's been no charges against him right
now. It's just accusations. Okay. So what did, what do the feds know? The feds know and what they knew way back,
a decade ago. They knew that there wasn't just one person
making these. The feds knew. The federal prosecutors knew it wasn't just
one person. It was five, six and seven people. They had evidence that was very clear evidence,
pictures of these girls in other countries with Epstein, with all of these folks that
are going to be uncovered here. They understood exactly what they were up
against and they didn't have the guts. They didn't have the courage to do what they
were supposed to do. Acosta, who now is a Trump appointee. Acosta was the guy who made the decision to
make all this go away, didn't he? Yes. He was the prosecutor in this case. He worked out the sweetheart deal, gave Epstein,
you know, the 13 month, you know, sort of prison sentence I guess you'd call it. Because if you leave most of the day, you're
not really in jail. But when we look at the, the new charges right
now that New York came up with, you know, thankfully just in the last few days, the
amount of news that has come out has been astounding. What's out there? Let's talk about it. One of the latest things we discover is that
Epstein in a locked safe in his New York penthouse had cd’s with the, they had it said young
and then the girl's name plus another name. Now, right now we don't know who those other
names are, but these are in a locked safe. They contain naked images of these girls and
we're… With somebody. Yeah, we're going to find out who these people
are. That's one of the reasons this is so important. Okay. So… Not just getting them off the street. So Epstein, Epstein basically had this for
black male. He says, if you push me too far, I'm going
to release this. We're going to see who the release of these
people are going to be. I gotta tell ya, a federal judge understands
now, do not seal this or if you do, you do it at your own peril. Because this idea of a federal judge sua sponte
making a decision that, oh, I can't let this out. It's going to harm somebody. You realize that the Fed's, in this situation,
the federal prosecutors argued to the judge, don't unseal this old information because
if you do, somebody is going to be hurt by it. Really, really? Well they knew who was going to be hurt by
it. Epstein knew who was going to be hurt by it. Epstein has this in recordings now. He has it in recordings. Those recordings are going to tell us a lot. Where, you know, where does this case go? I, I mean I see it going in different ways. I see Epstein's business being looked into
whether or not he was legitimate, you know, whether he was legitimate even about how he
was handling all of his investment business. I think that's going to open up a whole new
can of worms. Where else do you see this going? Well, right now what we're looking at is,
this is obviously and he's been charged with at this point, conspiracy. There is no way this man could have carried
all of this out by himself. We know some others were definitely involved. Maxwell, for example. Yeah, Maxwell who acted as his madam. Went out, recruited the girls, basically turned
it into this horrid pyramid scheme where those girls would then have to recruit other girls
to be his sex slaves, is what he called them. But this is going to stretch far and wide
and we are going to find out whose names are on those cd's. Let, let, let me tell you… Somebody's gotta leak it, even if they try
to seal it. Oh, it's going to be. We've got to know, we have to know. It's going to be leaked, even if the Fed's
don't allow it, even if a judge says no, it's going to be leaked. Okay, so here, here's what we know. Here's what the Fed's new. Farmer, a woman by the name of Farmer had
been basically held captive on their property. Maxwell, this, madam Maxwell and Epstein were
accused of raping the woman and holding her prisoner. She goes to, she tells the story. It's like a big yawn. The prosecutors down in, the state prosecutors
choose to do nothing. The sheriff's department does nothing. Later the, the, the, the, the sheriff himself
comes out and says, look, this whole thing's wired. It's wired to protect Epstein. We can't even do an investigation that we
knew that we needed to do because of the political conflict. Farron we've got to cover this story. I hope you'll go to New York. Let's, let's do it on, let's do it on site. Cover what's going on day to day. Thank you for joining me. Absolutely.