. .>>>DONALD TRUMP’S FORMER PRESS>>>DONALD TRUMP’S FORMER PRESS SECRETARY SEAN SPICER IS TRYING SECRETARY SEAN SPICER IS TRYING TO STEP BACK INTO THE SPOTLINE. TO STEP BACK INTO THE SPOTLINE. HE IS KNOWN FOR DEFENDING HE IS KNOWN FOR DEFENDING TRUMP’S CONSPIRACY THEORIES. TRUMP’S CONSPIRACY THEORIES.>>THIS WAS THE LARGEST AUDIENCE>>THIS WAS THE LARGEST AUDIENCE TO EVER WITNESS AN INAUGURATION TO EVER WITNESS AN INAUGURATION PERIOD. PERIOD. BOTH IN PERSON AND AROUND THE BOTH IN PERSON AND AROUND THE GLOBE. GLOBE.>>YOU WANT TO OVERWHELMING WENT>>YOU WANT TO OVERWHELMING WENT THROUGH 360 ELECTORAL VOTES, THE THROUGH 360 ELECTORAL VOTES, THE MOST SINCE ENREPUBLICAN SINCE MOST SINCE ENREPUBLICAN SINCE REAGAN. REAGAN. FIRST OF ALL IT’S NOT A TRAVEL FIRST OF ALL IT’S NOT A TRAVEL BAN. BAN. HE IS USING THE WORDS THE MEDIA HE IS USING THE WORDS THE MEDIA IS USING. IS USING. WE TALKED ABOUT WIRETAPPING. WE TALKED ABOUT WIRETAPPING. HE MEANT UNDER SURVEILLANCE. HE MEANT UNDER SURVEILLANCE.>>WOW, SOME OF THOSE WORDS>>WOW, SOME OF THOSE WORDS DON’T MEAN WHAT YOU THOUGHT THEY DON’T MEAN WHAT YOU THOUGHT THEY DID. DID. IS INSURANCE THAT PERFORMANCE, IS INSURANCE THAT PERFORMANCE, HE HAS KEPT A PRETTY LOW HE HAS KEPT A PRETTY LOW PROFILE, GONE ON FOX NEWS A PROFILE, GONE ON FOX NEWS A COUPLE TIMES, NOW HE’S GONE FOR COUPLE TIMES, NOW HE’S GONE FOR AN EARLY CASTOFF ON TRUMP’S AN EARLY CASTOFF ON TRUMP’S REALITY POST TO THE CAST OF REALITY POST TO THE CAST OF DANCING WITH THE STARS. DANCING WITH THE STARS. YOU SHOULD NOTE. YOU SHOULD NOTE. HE DID TURN DOWN THE SAME OFFER HE DID TURN DOWN THE SAME OFFER TWO YEARS AGO SAYING HE WOULD BE TWO YEARS AGO SAYING HE WOULD BE TO TOO BUSY, THEY SAY IT TO TOO BUSY, THEY SAY IT WHITEWASHES AND HE IS NOT THE WHITEWASHES AND HE IS NOT THE FIRST TRUMP SUPPORTER TO HIT THE FIRST TRUMP SUPPORTER TO HIT THE DANCE FLOOR. DANCE FLOOR.>>NEW YORK IS WHERE I WANT TO>>NEW YORK IS WHERE I WANT TO STAY. STAY. I GET TO SMELL THE HEY. I GET TO SMELL THE HEY. ♪ AS LONG AS ARE YOU THERE. ♪ AS LONG AS ARE YOU THERE. SO EXAMINE. SO EXAMINE.>>♪ I CAN SEE BARELY.>>♪ I CAN SEE BARELY. ♪ ♪>>YOU KNOW, SEAN SPICER DID A
LATER WE’RE JOINED BY THE IOWA TEACHER MAKING HEADLINES FOR TEACHER MAKING HEADLINES FOR CONFRONTING HER REPUBLICAN CONFRONTING HER REPUBLICAN SENATOR ABOUT GUN CONTROL. SENATOR ABOUT GUN CONTROL. WE BEGIN TONIGHT WITH DONALD WE BEGIN TONIGHT WITH DONALD TRUMP LASHING OUT INSISTING THAT TRUMP LASHING OUT INSISTING THAT WARNINGS OF A POTENTIAL WARNINGS OF A POTENTIAL RECESSION ARE PART OF SOME SORT RECESSION ARE PART OF SOME SORT OF CONSPIRACY TO HURT HIM OF CONSPIRACY TO HURT HIM PERSONALLY. PERSONALLY. NOW, WE KNOW TRUMP STRUGGLES TO NOW, WE KNOW TRUMP STRUGGLES TO TELL THE TRUTH. TELL THE TRUTH. THIS STORY SHOWS HOW HE MAY THIS STORY SHOWS HOW HE MAY ASSUME OTHERS ARE AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME OTHERS ARE AUTOMATICALLY TAKING THE SAME TACK. TAKING THE SAME TACK. HE TREATS EVERYTHING AS A KIND HE TREATS EVERYTHING AS A KIND OF GAME OR CON RATHER THAN OF GAME OR CON RATHER THAN ACKNOWLEDGING SOME OBJECTIVE ACKNOWLEDGING SOME OBJECTIVE REALITY. REALITY. AND THAT HELPS UNDERSTAND THESE AND THAT HELPS UNDERSTAND THESE HEADLINES. HEADLINES. TRUMP NOW AGITATED ABOUT TRUMP NOW AGITATED ABOUT ANYTHING GOING ON WHEN HE ANYTHING GOING ON WHEN HE DISCUSSES THE ECONOMY AND DARKLY DISCUSSES THE ECONOMY AND DARKLY SUGGESTING WARNINGS ABOUT A SUGGESTING WARNINGS ABOUT A POSSIBLE RECESSION STEM FROM POSSIBLE RECESSION STEM FROM CRITICS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY WHAT CRITICS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY WHAT HE SEES AS HIS CALLING CARD FOR HE SEES AS HIS CALLING CARD FOR REELECTION, ACCORDING TO “THE REELECTION, ACCORDING TO “THE NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTING. NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTING. SO WHO ARE THESE CRITICS? SO WHO ARE THESE CRITICS? IT’S A CONSPIRACY THEORY SO, IT’S A CONSPIRACY THEORY SO, REMEMBER, IT DOESN’T HAVE TO REMEMBER, IT DOESN’T HAVE TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. DONALD TRUMP BLAMING PEOPLE HE DONALD TRUMP BLAMING PEOPLE HE HIRED. HIRED. LIKE HIS OWN HAND PICKED FED LIKE HIS OWN HAND PICKED FED CHAIR, INTENTIONALLY ACTING CHAIR, INTENTIONALLY ACTING AGAINST HIM. AGAINST HIM. AND U.S. ALLIES. AND U.S. ALLIES. A WEIRD ARGUMENT SINCE MANY HAVE A WEIRD ARGUMENT SINCE MANY HAVE THEIR FORTUNATES PINNED TO OUR THEIR FORTUNATES PINNED TO OUR ECONOMY. ECONOMY. AND THERE IS THE IDEA THE MEDIA AND THERE IS THE IDEA THE MEDIA IS TRYING TO CREATE A RECESSION. IS TRYING TO CREATE A RECESSION. ALL OF THIS IS THE BACKDROP FOR ALL OF THIS IS THE BACKDROP FOR THESE COMMENTS. THESE COMMENTS.>>ARE YOU DOING ANY PLANNING OR>>ARE YOU DOING ANY PLANNING OR ARE YOU GOING TO BE DIRECTING ARE YOU GOING TO BE DIRECTING YOUR ADMINISTRATION TO PLAN FOR YOUR ADMINISTRATION TO PLAN FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF A RECESSION? THE POSSIBILITY OF A RECESSION?>>I DON’T SEE A RECESSION.>>I DON’T SEE A RECESSION.>>BUT A LOT OF ECONOMISTS SAY>>BUT A LOT OF ECONOMISTS SAY YOU SHOULD BE REPAIRING FOR A YOU SHOULD BE REPAIRING FOR A RECESSION. RECESSION. NO PRESIDENT IS IMMUNE TO A NO PRESIDENT IS IMMUNE TO A RECESSION AND THAT IS NOW — FOR RECESSION AND THAT IS NOW — FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO BE DOING THE GOVERNMENT TO BE DOING SOMETHING — SOMETHING –>>HONESTLY I’M PREPARED FOR>>HONESTLY I’M PREPARED FOR EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. I DON’T THINK WE’RE HAVING A I DON’T THINK WE’RE HAVING A RECESSION. RECESSION. WE’RE DOING TREMENDOUSLY WELL. WE’RE DOING TREMENDOUSLY WELL. MOST ECONOMISTS, PHIL, SAY WE’RE MOST ECONOMISTS, PHIL, SAY WE’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A RECESSION. NOT GOING TO HAVE A RECESSION.>>NO RECESSION, NO PLANNING FOR>>NO RECESSION, NO PLANNING FOR RECESSION, DON’T EVEN TALK ABOUT RECESSION, DON’T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT. IT. YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS TODAY, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS TODAY, THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN LIFE THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN LIFE THAT ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN THAT ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN IF YOU DO TALK AND THINK ABOUT IF YOU DO TALK AND THINK ABOUT THEM TOO MUCH. THEM TOO MUCH. LIKE GOING TO A KITCHEN, GOING LIKE GOING TO A KITCHEN, GOING TO MAYBE YOUR KITCHEN TO GET A TO MAYBE YOUR KITCHEN TO GET A SNACK RIGHT NOW. SNACK RIGHT NOW. I BET IF YOU KEEP THINKING ABOUT I BET IF YOU KEEP THINKING ABOUT IT AND IMAGINING IT OR TALKING IT AND IMAGINING IT OR TALKING ABOUT IT, YOU MIGHT FIND ABOUT IT, YOU MIGHT FIND YOURSELF GETTING UP, LETTING THE YOURSELF GETTING UP, LETTING THE NEWSCAST PLAY IN THE BACKGROUND, NEWSCAST PLAY IN THE BACKGROUND, AND GRABBING THAT SNACK THAT AND GRABBING THAT SNACK THAT YOU’VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT. YOU’VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT. BUT A MACROECONOMIC RECESSION IS BUT A MACROECONOMIC RECESSION IS NOT LIKE GETTING A SNACK. NOT LIKE GETTING A SNACK. NO SINGLE PERSON INCREASES ITS NO SINGLE PERSON INCREASES ITS LIKELIHOOD BY TALKING ABOUT IT. LIKELIHOOD BY TALKING ABOUT IT. NOT EVEN THE PRESIDENT. NOT EVEN THE PRESIDENT. SO AVOIDING TALKING ABOUT IT IN SO AVOIDING TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE HOPES THAT IT WILL GO AWAY, THE HOPES THAT IT WILL GO AWAY, AND THEN AVOIDING ANY PLANNING AND THEN AVOIDING ANY PLANNING ABOUT IT, THAT’S INEFFECTIVE AND ABOUT IT, THAT’S INEFFECTIVE AND PRETTY SHORT SIGHTED FOR THE PRETTY SHORT SIGHTED FOR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT. U.S. GOVERNMENT. AS FOR TRUMP’S CLAIM THAT YOU AS FOR TRUMP’S CLAIM THAT YOU JUST HEARD THERE, THAT JUST HEARD THERE, THAT ECONOMISTS DON’T EXPECT A ECONOMISTS DON’T EXPECT A RECESSION? RECESSION? WELL, ONE OUT OF FOUR DON’T. WELL, ONE OUT OF FOUR DON’T. THE OTHER 74% OF ECONOMISTS ARE THE OTHER 74% OF ECONOMISTS ARE NOW EXPECTING A RECESSION BY THE NOW EXPECTING A RECESSION BY THE END OF 2021 IN A NEW SURVEY OUT END OF 2021 IN A NEW SURVEY OUT TODAY. TODAY. TRUMP ALSO IN DENIAL ABOUT OTHER TRUMP ALSO IN DENIAL ABOUT OTHER DATA, THIS TIME A FOX NEWS POLL DATA, THIS TIME A FOX NEWS POLL THAT SHOWED HIM TRAILING HIS THAT SHOWED HIM TRAILING HIS CHALLENGERS. CHALLENGERS.>>FOX HAS CHANGED, AND MY WORST>>FOX HAS CHANGED, AND MY WORST POLLS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FROM FOX. POLLS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FROM FOX. THERE’S SOMETHING GOING ON AT THERE’S SOMETHING GOING ON AT FOX, I’LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, FOX, I’LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, AND I’M NOT HAPPY WITH IT. AND I’M NOT HAPPY WITH IT.>>THE FOX POLL, THEY HAVE YOU>>THE FOX POLL, THEY HAVE YOU UNDER WARREN — UNDER WARREN –>>I DON’T BELIEVE IT.>>I DON’T BELIEVE IT. I DON’T BELIEVE IT. I DON’T BELIEVE IT.>>OKAY, HE DOESN’T BELIEVE IT.>>OKAY, HE DOESN’T BELIEVE IT. YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW DONALD TRUMP BEST DESCRIBE HIM DONALD TRUMP BEST DESCRIBE HIM AS A CON MAN. AS A CON MAN. THAT INCLUDES EVERYONE RANGING THAT INCLUDES EVERYONE RANGING FROM THE CURRENTLY INCARCERATED FROM THE CURRENTLY INCARCERATED FORMER LAWYER, MICHAEL COHEN, TO FORMER LAWYER, MICHAEL COHEN, TO HIS FORMER REALITY SHOW HIS FORMER REALITY SHOW COLLEAGUE WHICH HE BROUGHT COLLEAGUE WHICH HE BROUGHT FAMOUSLY TO THE WHITE HOUSE, FAMOUSLY TO THE WHITE HOUSE, OMAROSA, TO HIS FORMER OMAROSA, TO HIS FORMER COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR ANTHONY COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI WITH MORE ON TRUMP’S SCARAMUCCI WITH MORE ON TRUMP’S DEFEAT. DEFEAT. I HAVE MORE ON THAT SHORTLY. I HAVE MORE ON THAT SHORTLY. HE’S DENYING HIS OWN TEAMMATES. HE’S DENYING HIS OWN TEAMMATES. HE’S USED TO MAKING EVERYTHING HE’S USED TO MAKING EVERYTHING UP. UP. WHEN YOU SEE IT TAKEN TOGETHER, WHEN YOU SEE IT TAKEN TOGETHER, HE MAY NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT HE MAY NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE, THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE, INCLUDING IN HIS OWN GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING IN HIS OWN GOVERNMENT, WHO ACTUALLY WORK OFF THE WHO ACTUALLY WORK OFF THE EVIDENCE. EVIDENCE. JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING LOOKS BAD JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING LOOKS BAD FOR HIM DOESN’T AMOEBA IT’SMEAN FOR HIM DOESN’T AMOEBA IT’SMEAN A FAKE. A FAKE. JUST BECAUSE IT LOOKS GOOD FOR JUST BECAUSE IT LOOKS GOOD FOR HIM DOESN’T MEAN IT’S TRUE. HIM DOESN’T MEAN IT’S TRUE. TAKE THAT ALLEGEDLY LARGE UNION TAKE THAT ALLEGEDLY LARGE UNION CROWD AT TRUMP’S SPEECH IN CROWD AT TRUMP’S SPEECH IN PENNSYLVANIA. PENNSYLVANIA. IT LOOKED GOOD, IT WAS TOUTED. IT LOOKED GOOD, IT WAS TOUTED. NEW REPORTS SHOWING THOSE NEW REPORTS SHOWING THOSE WORKERS WERE EFFECTIVELY PAID TO WORKERS WERE EFFECTIVELY PAID TO BE THERE. BE THERE. THEY HAD TO GO TO THE SPEECH OR THEY HAD TO GO TO THE SPEECH OR THEY WOULD HAVE LOST PART OF THEY WOULD HAVE LOST PART OF THEIR PAYCHECK, WHICH IS THEIR PAYCHECK, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AN ECHO OF THE WAY ACTUALLY AN ECHO OF THE WAY TRUMP BUILT HIS VERY FIRST CROWD TRUMP BUILT HIS VERY FIRST CROWD AT TRUMP TOWER FOR THE CAMPAIGN, AT TRUMP TOWER FOR THE CAMPAIGN, PAYING ACTORS TO CHEER AND PAYING ACTORS TO CHEER AND IMPERSONATE SUPPORTERS. IMPERSONATE SUPPORTERS.>>>NOW, LET’S BE CLEAR.>>>NOW, LET’S BE CLEAR. PAYING ACTORS AT THAT FIRST PAYING ACTORS AT THAT FIRST RALLY WAS NOT A LONG-TERM PLAN. RALLY WAS NOT A LONG-TERM PLAN. IT WAS A CLASSIC FAKE IT TILL IT WAS A CLASSIC FAKE IT TILL YOU MAKE IT. YOU MAKE IT. AND TRUMP DID MAKE IT FOR A AND TRUMP DID MAKE IT FOR A WHILE. WHILE. THERE WERE BIG CROWDS THAT THERE WERE BIG CROWDS THAT OBVIOUSLY WERE NOT PAID. OBVIOUSLY WERE NOT PAID. THERE WAS AN ELECTORAL COLLEGE THERE WAS AN ELECTORAL COLLEGE VICTORY EVEN THOUGH HE DREW LESS VICTORY EVEN THOUGH HE DREW LESS VOTES THAN CLINTON. VOTES THAN CLINTON. NOW TRUMP DENIES FACTUAL BAD NOW TRUMP DENIES FACTUAL BAD NEWS IS AND LEANS INTO FAKING NEWS IS AND LEANS INTO FAKING GOOD NEWS. GOOD NEWS. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER TIME IS THE QUESTION IS WHETHER TIME IS RUNNING OUT ON THIS STRATEGY AND RUNNING OUT ON THIS STRATEGY AND HOW A RECESSION COULD UPEND WHAT HOW A RECESSION COULD UPEND WHAT LOOKS TO BE HIS PRECARIOUS LOOKS TO BE HIS PRECARIOUS POLITICAL FOOTING. POLITICAL FOOTING. I’M JOINED TONIGHT BY DANIELLE I’M JOINED TONIGHT BY DANIELLE MOODY MILLS HOST OF SIRIUS XM MOODY MILLS HOST OF SIRIUS XM SHOW. SHOW. EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF NPR’S EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF NPR’S LATINO USA, AND RICK STING L, LATINO USA, AND RICK STING L, MANAGING EDITOR OF TIME MANAGING EDITOR OF TIME MAGAZINE. MAGAZINE. NICE TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE IN NEW NICE TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE IN NEW YORK TOGETHER ON A SUMMER NIGHT. YORK TOGETHER ON A SUMMER NIGHT.>>IT’S GREAT TO BE HERE.>>IT’S GREAT TO BE HERE.>>WONDERFUL.>>WONDERFUL.>>IT IS A PARTY.>>IT IS A PARTY. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE WAY WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE WAY DONALD TRUMP IS COPING? DONALD TRUMP IS COPING?>>HE’S COPING LIKE THE>>HE’S COPING LIKE THE COMPULSIVE LIAR THAT HE IS, COMPULSIVE LIAR THAT HE IS, WHICH IS DENY, DENY, DENY, WHICH IS DENY, DENY, DENY, ADVERTISE TORT, DISTORT, ADVERTISE TORT, DISTORT, DISTORT. DISTORT. THAT’S WHAT HE DOES. THAT’S WHAT HE DOES. SO HE SETS IT UP SO IF SOMETHING SO HE SETS IT UP SO IF SOMETHING DOES GO WRONG WITH THE ECONOMY, DOES GO WRONG WITH THE ECONOMY, IF WE DO GO INTO A RECESSION, IF WE DO GO INTO A RECESSION, HE’S GOING TO HAVE BLAMED CHINA. HE’S GOING TO HAVE BLAMED CHINA. HE WILL HAVE BLAMED HIS HE WILL HAVE BLAMED HIS HAND-PICKED FEDERAL RESERVE HAND-PICKED FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN. CHAIRMAN. IT WILL BE EVERYONE ELSE’S FAULT IT WILL BE EVERYONE ELSE’S FAULT BUT DONALD TRUMP’S. BUT DONALD TRUMP’S. THIS IS WHAT HE DID WITH THE THIS IS WHAT HE DID WITH THE ELECTION IN 2016. ELECTION IN 2016. HE TOLD US THAT THE ELECTION WAS HE TOLD US THAT THE ELECTION WAS GOING TO BE RIGGED IF HE DIDN’T GOING TO BE RIGGED IF HE DIDN’T WIN. WIN. HE SAID THAT THERE WERE MILLIONS HE SAID THAT THERE WERE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE VOTING THAT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE VOTING THAT WERE NOT CITIZENS OF THE UNITED WERE NOT CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES, SO HE WAS LITERALLY STATES, SO HE WAS LITERALLY SETTING UP THE STAGE SO THAT IF, SETTING UP THE STAGE SO THAT IF, IN FACT, HE FAILED, THAT IT WAS IN FACT, HE FAILED, THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT EVERYTHING GOING TO BE ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT ELSE OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP IS ACTUALLY A DONALD TRUMP IS ACTUALLY A FAILURE. FAILURE.>>YOU MENTION THAT WHOLE>>YOU MENTION THAT WHOLE ATTEMPT TO NOT ONLY UNDERMINE ATTEMPT TO NOT ONLY UNDERMINE THE ECONOMIC REALITY, BUT THE THE ECONOMIC REALITY, BUT THE ACTUAL VOTING. ACTUAL VOTING. HE WAS BACK AT THAT. HE WAS BACK AT THAT. TAKE A LOOK. TAKE A LOOK.>>YOU HAVE A LOT OF VOTER>>YOU HAVE A LOT OF VOTER FRAUD. FRAUD. MANY, MANY PEOPLE VOTED THAT MANY, MANY PEOPLE VOTED THAT SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN VOTED. SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN VOTED. SOME PEOPLE VOTED MANY TIMES. SOME PEOPLE VOTED MANY TIMES. WHAT I’M SAYING IS WE NEED VOTER WHAT I’M SAYING IS WE NEED VOTER IDENTIFICATION. IDENTIFICATION. WE NEED VOTER I.D. WE NEED VOTER I.D.>>NOW, QUICK FACT CHECK BECAUSE>>NOW, QUICK FACT CHECK BECAUSE WE DON’T PLAY THAT STUFF WITHOUT WE DON’T PLAY THAT STUFF WITHOUT CONTEXT. CONTEXT. WE’LL SHOW YOU HERE. WE’LL SHOW YOU HERE. THE ACTUAL PERSON WHO RUNS THE THE ACTUAL PERSON WHO RUNS THE FEDERAL ELECTION COMMITTEE CHAIR FEDERAL ELECTION COMMITTEE CHAIR SAYS ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE SAYS ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER. WHATSOEVER. AND WE KNOW THAT. AND WE KNOW THAT. SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO SEE THIS SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO SEE THIS AND THIS PERIOD WHERE DONALD AND THIS PERIOD WHERE DONALD TRUMP IS SORT OF — AS FAR AS TRUMP IS SORT OF — AS FAR AS HE’S CONCERNED, HE’S POST HE’S CONCERNED, HE’S POST MUELLER. MUELLER. HE’S UNBRIDLED IN A CERTAIN WAY. HE’S UNBRIDLED IN A CERTAIN WAY. AND WHAT WE’RE SEEING IN THESE AND WHAT WE’RE SEEING IN THESE SORT OF MONTHS IS ANTI-REALITY SORT OF MONTHS IS ANTI-REALITY OR ANTI-MINORITY IN THE WAY HE’S OR ANTI-MINORITY IN THE WAY HE’S BEEN ORGANIZING POLITICALLY. BEEN ORGANIZING POLITICALLY.>>AND ALSO THE IDEA THAT WE SET>>AND ALSO THE IDEA THAT WE SET UP A COMPLETE AND TOTAL UP A COMPLETE AND TOTAL GASLIGHT, RIGHT? GASLIGHT, RIGHT? ONE OF THE PEOPLE — ONE OF THE ONE OF THE PEOPLE — ONE OF THE SHOOTERS, HIS MANIFESTO IN EL SHOOTERS, HIS MANIFESTO IN EL PASO SAID, INVASION, INVASION, PASO SAID, INVASION, INVASION, INVASION OVER AND OVER AGAIN. INVASION OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO DONALD TRUMP FEEDS THIS SO DONALD TRUMP FEEDS THIS NARRATIVE. NARRATIVE. AND HE’S TELLING PEOPLE, THEY’RE AND HE’S TELLING PEOPLE, THEY’RE COMING TO VOTE ILLEGALLY. COMING TO VOTE ILLEGALLY. SO WHEN WE SEE LINES WRAPPED SO WHEN WE SEE LINES WRAPPED AROUND POLLING STATIONS OF BLACK AROUND POLLING STATIONS OF BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE, OH, THEY MUST AND BROWN PEOPLE, OH, THEY MUST BE UP TO SOMETHING NEFARIOUS, BE UP TO SOMETHING NEFARIOUS, RIGHT? RIGHT? AND SO IT’S THIS IDEA THAT AS AND SO IT’S THIS IDEA THAT AS LONG AS HE CAN SET THE STAGE LONG AS HE CAN SET THE STAGE LIKE HE DID AT SHELL, THE LIKE HE DID AT SHELL, THE PICTURE LOOKS GOOD. PICTURE LOOKS GOOD. WE THEN ARE LEFT ON THE DEFENSE WE THEN ARE LEFT ON THE DEFENSE TO TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT TO TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THE PICTURE IS A LIE, BUT THE THE PICTURE IS A LIE, BUT THE PICTURE IS ALREADY SNAPPED. PICTURE IS ALREADY SNAPPED.>>SO WHAT’S REALLY CRAZY –>>SO WHAT’S REALLY CRAZY — BECAUSE I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BECAUSE I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE UNION THING AS BIT ABOUT THE UNION THING AS WELL AS THIS NOTION THAT PEOPLE WELL AS THIS NOTION THAT PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO ARE NOT BORN IN THIS LIKE ME WHO ARE NOT BORN IN THIS COUNTRY AND WHO MAY BE NOT HERE COUNTRY AND WHO MAY BE NOT HERE WITH PAPERS, OR WITH A GREEN WITH PAPERS, OR WITH A GREEN CARD, WOULD BE RUSHING TO GO CARD, WOULD BE RUSHING TO GO VOTE. VOTE. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IF YOU TALK YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IF YOU TALK TO ANY IMMIGRANT RIGHT NOW, WHAT TO ANY IMMIGRANT RIGHT NOW, WHAT THEY’RE NOT THINKING ABOUT IS THEY’RE NOT THINKING ABOUT IS OUTWARDLY DOING ANYTHING THAT OUTWARDLY DOING ANYTHING THAT COULD BE PERCEIVED TO BE IN ANY COULD BE PERCEIVED TO BE IN ANY WAY ILLEGAL. WAY ILLEGAL. SO THERE’S JUST THIS NOTION — SO THERE’S JUST THIS NOTION — AGAIN, HE HAS PAINTED US NOW AS AGAIN, HE HAS PAINTED US NOW AS IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE COMING HERE IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE COMING HERE CROSSING ILLEGALLY, THAT WE’RE CROSSING ILLEGALLY, THAT WE’RE TAKING OVER, AND NOW WE’RE GOING TAKING OVER, AND NOW WE’RE GOING TO TAKE OVER THE POLLS. TO TAKE OVER THE POLLS. AND THE POLLING BOOTH. AND THE POLLING BOOTH. SO NOW WE’RE GOING TO BE SHOT SO NOW WE’RE GOING TO BE SHOT BECAUSE WE’RE ATTEMPTING TO VOTE BECAUSE WE’RE ATTEMPTING TO VOTE AND THEY’RE GOING TO SEE US AS AND THEY’RE GOING TO SEE US AS INVADERS. INVADERS. AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT’S AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT’S REALLY CRAZY, ARI, TALKING ABOUT REALLY CRAZY, ARI, TALKING ABOUT THE UNION WORKERS WHO WERE PAID THE UNION WORKERS WHO WERE PAID TO SHOW UP, THIS WAS LIKE — TO SHOW UP, THIS WAS LIKE — WHEN I WAS GROWING UP AND WE WHEN I WAS GROWING UP AND WE WOULD GO TO MEXICO, THIS IS WHAT WOULD GO TO MEXICO, THIS IS WHAT WE HEARD WAS HAPPENING DURING WE HEARD WAS HAPPENING DURING THE — WHICH WAS IN POWER FOR 70 THE — WHICH WAS IN POWER FOR 70 SOMETHING YEARS IN MEXICO. SOMETHING YEARS IN MEXICO. IT WAS LIKE AN AUTOCRATIC IT WAS LIKE AN AUTOCRATIC CORRUPT RE JEAN. CORRUPT RE JEAN. WE WOULD HEAR, NO, WHAT THEY DO WE WOULD HEAR, NO, WHAT THEY DO IS PAY ALL THE PEOPLE TO COME IS PAY ALL THE PEOPLE TO COME OUT. OUT. I GREW UP HEARING THIS. I GREW UP HEARING THIS. AND JUST THINKING, LIKE, THAT AND JUST THINKING, LIKE, THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN THE UNITED WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN THE UNITED STATES. STATES. AND AT THIS POINT WHAT WE KNOW AND AT THIS POINT WHAT WE KNOW NOW IS THAT THOSE WORKERS NOW IS THAT THOSE WORKERS BASICALLY HAD TO SHOW UP IN BASICALLY HAD TO SHOW UP IN ORDER TO GET PAID TO MAKE THEIR ORDER TO GET PAID TO MAKE THEIR BILLS WHETHER OR NOT THEY LIKED BILLS WHETHER OR NOT THEY LIKED TRUMP OR NOT. TRUMP OR NOT. WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR COUNTRY WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR COUNTRY THAT SOMEHOW THIS IS LIKE — AND THAT SOMEHOW THIS IS LIKE — AND IT’S OKAY, YOU KNOW. IT’S OKAY, YOU KNOW.>>YOU SAY THAT AND YOU SAY,>>YOU SAY THAT AND YOU SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, CAN IT HAPPEN WELL, YOU KNOW, CAN IT HAPPEN HERE? HERE? WHICH IS AN OLD ECHO ON A NUMBER WHICH IS AN OLD ECHO ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT OF LEVELS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT WE DEAL WITH, LARGE AND WHAT WE DEAL WITH, LARGE AND SMALL. SMALL. I WANT TO READ FROM THIS I WANT TO READ FROM THIS REPORTING BECAUSE THIS IS NOT REPORTING BECAUSE THIS IS NOT NORMAL. NORMAL. THIS SHOULD NOT BECOME A PART OF THIS SHOULD NOT BECOME A PART OF OUR CIVIC AND POLITICAL LIFE. OUR CIVIC AND POLITICAL LIFE. HEADLINE, SHELL WORKERS WOULD HEADLINE, SHELL WORKERS WOULD HAVE MISSED PAY IF THEY HAD HAVE MISSED PAY IF THEY HAD MISSED TRUMP SPEECH. MISSED TRUMP SPEECH. ONE WORKER SAID THEY DIDN’T WANT ONE WORKER SAID THEY DIDN’T WANT TO COME BUT THOUGHT IT WOULD TO COME BUT THOUGHT IT WOULD LOOK BAD TO MISS THIS DAY OF LOOK BAD TO MISS THIS DAY OF WORK AND FULL PAY. WORK AND FULL PAY. DOZENS TRIED TO LEAVE EARLY DOZENS TRIED TO LEAVE EARLY BEFORE HE FINISHED THE 3:00 P.M. BEFORE HE FINISHED THE 3:00 P.M. APPROACH. APPROACH. THEY WERE TOLD SECRET SERVICE THEY WERE TOLD SECRET SERVICE WOULDN’T LET THEM OUT OF THE WOULDN’T LET THEM OUT OF THE WAREHOUSE UNTIL TRUMP HAD LEFT WAREHOUSE UNTIL TRUMP HAD LEFT THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY.>>YIKES.>>YIKES. YIKES. YIKES. I DON’T KNOW, BECAUSE TO ME THE I DON’T KNOW, BECAUSE TO ME THE BICKER QUESTION IS THE GAME BICKER QUESTION IS THE GAME THAT’S BEING PLAYED WITH OUR THAT’S BEING PLAYED WITH OUR DEMOCRACY. DEMOCRACY.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>THE GAME THAT’S BEING PLAYED>>THE GAME THAT’S BEING PLAYED WITH OUR DEMOCRACY. WITH OUR DEMOCRACY. AND JUST KIND OF LIKE THE AND JUST KIND OF LIKE THE REPORTING ON IT, THE REPORTING ON IT, THE NORMALIZATION OF IT WHICH WE’RE NORMALIZATION OF IT WHICH WE’RE CONSTANTLY SEEING, GUYS, THIS IS CONSTANTLY SEEING, GUYS, THIS IS NOT GOING TO LEAD US ANYPLACE NOT GOING TO LEAD US ANYPLACE POSITIVE ON ELECTION NIGHT. POSITIVE ON ELECTION NIGHT. JUST NOT GOING TO LEAD US TO JUST NOT GOING TO LEAD US TO ANYPLACE POSITIVE. ANYPLACE POSITIVE.>>IT’S A LITTLE LIKE THE OLD>>IT’S A LITTLE LIKE THE OLD SOVIET UNION WHERE YOU HAD TO SOVIET UNION WHERE YOU HAD TO SHOW UP WHEN THE LEADER OF THE SHOW UP WHEN THE LEADER OF THE SOVIET UNION WAS THERE OR YOU SOVIET UNION WAS THERE OR YOU WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN PAID. WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN PAID. THE THEME OF EVERYTHING — I’M THE THEME OF EVERYTHING — I’M TRYING TO UNITE EVERYTHING THAT TRYING TO UNITE EVERYTHING THAT WE’VE BEEN DISCUSSING, ARI. WE’VE BEEN DISCUSSING, ARI. THE THEME IS DATA, AND THE DATA THE THEME IS DATA, AND THE DATA THAT IS IGNORED BY PRESIDENT THAT IS IGNORED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP. TRUMP. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A RECESSION, WHAT POSSIBILITY OF A RECESSION, WHAT IS A RECESSION? IS A RECESSION? A RECESSION IS TWO CONSECUTIVE A RECESSION IS TWO CONSECUTIVE QUARTERS OF KROTING ECONOMY. QUARTERS OF KROTING ECONOMY. WE SAW THAT IN GERMANY WHICH IS WE SAW THAT IN GERMANY WHICH IS A MUCH HEALTHIER ECONOMY. A MUCH HEALTHIER ECONOMY. WE SAW FACTORY STARTS AT A WE SAW FACTORY STARTS AT A THREE-YEAR LOW. THREE-YEAR LOW. CONSUMER SPENDING PURCHASING CONSUMER SPENDING PURCHASING POWER AT A THREE-YEAR LOW. POWER AT A THREE-YEAR LOW. s ECONOMISTS DON’T PUT A FINGER s ECONOMISTS DON’T PUT A FINGER IN THE WIND, MAYBE IT’S GOING TO IN THE WIND, MAYBE IT’S GOING TO BE A RECESSION, MAYBE IT’S NOT. BE A RECESSION, MAYBE IT’S NOT. THEY’RE LOOKING AT DATA, WHAT THEY’RE LOOKING AT DATA, WHAT DONALD TRUMP IGNORES. DONALD TRUMP IGNORES. HIS PHILOSOPHY WITH DATA, THE HIS PHILOSOPHY WITH DATA, THE CHICO MARKS DATA. CHICO MARKS DATA. WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE, ME WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE, ME OR YOUR LYING EYES? OR YOUR LYING EYES? [ LAUGHTER ] [ LAUGHTER ]>>THE MARX BROTHERS?>>THE MARX BROTHERS?>>WHAT HE DOES, LIKE WHAT>>WHAT HE DOES, LIKE WHAT AUTOCRATS DO, THEY SAY IGNORE AUTOCRATS DO, THEY SAY IGNORE THE DATA, IGNORE EMPIRICAL THE DATA, IGNORE EMPIRICAL REALITY, PAY ATTENTION TO ME. REALITY, PAY ATTENTION TO ME. DON’T PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. DON’T PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. THAT’S WHAT HE’S DOING OVERS AND THAT’S WHAT HE’S DOING OVERS AND OVER. OVER.>>WHAT IS FOX NEWS GOING TO DO>>WHAT IS FOX NEWS GOING TO DO NOW? NOW? I MEAN, HE’S TAKING ON FOX NEWS. I MEAN, HE’S TAKING ON FOX NEWS. SO IS — FOX NEWS, THE SHOE IS SO IS — FOX NEWS, THE SHOE IS GOING TO BE REVERSED RIGHT NOW. GOING TO BE REVERSED RIGHT NOW. HE’S STARTING TO CRITICIZE FOX HE’S STARTING TO CRITICIZE FOX NEWS. NEWS. ARE THEY GOING TO DO A PRIMETIME ARE THEY GOING TO DO A PRIMETIME SPECIAL THAT’S LIKE, THE SPECIAL THAT’S LIKE, THE AMERICAN ECONOMY, GROWING AND AMERICAN ECONOMY, GROWING AND GROWING, JUST BECAUSE — GROWING, JUST BECAUSE –>>THAT’S — BUT THAT’S EXACTLY>>THAT’S — BUT THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT ALL OF THE ANCHORS THERE WHAT ALL OF THE ANCHORS THERE HAVE BEEN DOING. HAVE BEEN DOING. THEY’RE TELLING THE AMERICAN THEY’RE TELLING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT IT IS — I MEAN, I PEOPLE THAT IT IS — I MEAN, I TRY NOT TO, BUT THEY TELL THE TRY NOT TO, BUT THEY TELL THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT EVERYTHING AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT EVERYTHING IS OKAY, THE ECONOMY IS STRONG, IS OKAY, THE ECONOMY IS STRONG, IT’S THE MEDIA WHO IS AT FAULT. IT’S THE MEDIA WHO IS AT FAULT. IT’S THE LIBERAL MEDIA THAT IS IT’S THE LIBERAL MEDIA THAT IS TRYING TO MAKE THE ECONOMY WEAK TRYING TO MAKE THE ECONOMY WEAK SO THAT DONALD TRUMP DOESN’T WIN SO THAT DONALD TRUMP DOESN’T WIN REELECTION. REELECTION. AS IF A WEAK ECONOMY WOULD BE AS IF A WEAK ECONOMY WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. GOOD FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. NO. NO. BUT IT’S THIS IDEA THAT THEY BUT IT’S THIS IDEA THAT THEY JUST CONTINUE TO REVERBERATE JUST CONTINUE TO REVERBERATE THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND IT’S LIKE THEY ARE IN THIS IT’S LIKE THEY ARE IN THIS CLOSED LOOP. CLOSED LOOP.>>TO PICK UP ON RICHARD’S POINT>>TO PICK UP ON RICHARD’S POINT THAT CONNECTS WITH WHAT YOU’RE THAT CONNECTS WITH WHAT YOU’RE SAYING, THERE IS, ON THE ONE SAYING, THERE IS, ON THE ONE HAND, DATA AND HOW MUCH CAN YOU HAND, DATA AND HOW MUCH CAN YOU FIGHT THE NUMBERS AND THE FACTS FIGHT THE NUMBERS AND THE FACTS AND THE EVIDENCE. AND THE EVIDENCE. AND THEN THERE ARE THESE BUBBLE AND THEN THERE ARE THESE BUBBLE EVENTS. EVENTS. I MEAN, GEORGE SOROS WHO KNOWS I MEAN, GEORGE SOROS WHO KNOWS HIS WAY AROUND THE MARKETS HIS WAY AROUND THE MARKETS TALKED ABOUT THE FACT BUBBLES DO TALKED ABOUT THE FACT BUBBLES DO EXIST, AND A VERY POWERFUL EXIST, AND A VERY POWERFUL AMPLIFIED CON MAN CAN CONTRIBUTE AMPLIFIED CON MAN CAN CONTRIBUTE AS THE RATING AGENCIES CAN. AS THE RATING AGENCIES CAN. BUT THEY POP WHEN THERE ARE BUT THEY POP WHEN THERE ARE REALITY-INDUCING EVENTS. REALITY-INDUCING EVENTS. THAT IS WHY THE RECESSION BEYOND THAT IS WHY THE RECESSION BEYOND THE POLITICAL REASONS SCARES THE POLITICAL REASONS SCARES TRUMP BECAUSE YOU CAN’T BE A CON TRUMP BECAUSE YOU CAN’T BE A CON MAN IF YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TO MAN IF YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TO TRICK PEOPLE. TRICK PEOPLE. AND IT’S MUCH HARDER TO TRICK AND IT’S MUCH HARDER TO TRICK PEOPLE ABOUT, SAY, THE PEOPLE ABOUT, SAY, THE TEMPERATURE IN THIS ROOM, RIGHT, TEMPERATURE IN THIS ROOM, RIGHT, THAN IT IS ABOUT SOMETHING GOING THAN IT IS ABOUT SOMETHING GOING ON OVER THERE BECAUSE THERE ARE ON OVER THERE BECAUSE THERE ARE LIMITS TO THAT. LIMITS TO THAT. AND SO IT IS INTERESTING WHEN AND SO IT IS INTERESTING WHEN YOU SEE HIS OBSESSION WITH YOU SEE HIS OBSESSION WITH BRINGING ON PEOPLE WHO ARE BRINGING ON PEOPLE WHO ARE EFFECTIVELY — I DON’T MEAN TO EFFECTIVELY — I DON’T MEAN TO REDUCE THEM TO ONLY THIS, BUT AT REDUCE THEM TO ONLY THIS, BUT AT LEAST AS A MINIMUM ARE REALLY LEAST AS A MINIMUM ARE REALLY GOOD AT TELEVISION. GOOD AT TELEVISION. SO LARRY KUDLOW WHO WE ARE ABOUT SO LARRY KUDLOW WHO WE ARE ABOUT TO HEAR FROM INVOLVED IN THE TO HEAR FROM INVOLVED IN THE ECONOMICS, WHO HAS BEEN ON THIS ECONOMICS, WHO HAS BEEN ON THIS SHOW, WHO I THINK KNOWS SHOW, WHO I THINK KNOWS ECONOMICS AND IS GOOD ON ECONOMICS AND IS GOOD ON TELEVISION, BUT ALSO HAS A TRACK TELEVISION, BUT ALSO HAS A TRACK RECORD BOTH IN AND OUT OF RECORD BOTH IN AND OUT OF GOVERNMENT OF BOOSTERING THE GOVERNMENT OF BOOSTERING THE ECONOMY REGARDLESS OF THE DATA ECONOMY REGARDLESS OF THE DATA AND THE RECESSION, WHICH WORKED AND THE RECESSION, WHICH WORKED FOR HIM. FOR HIM. AND HE WAS CALLED OUT ON THIS A AND HE WAS CALLED OUT ON THIS A LAEL LAEL LITTLE BIT HERE. LITTLE BIT HERE. HE CURRENTLY WORKS FOR TRUMP. HE CURRENTLY WORKS FOR TRUMP. TAKE A LOOK. TAKE A LOOK.>>I TELL YOU WHAT, I SURE DON’T>>I TELL YOU WHAT, I SURE DON’T SEE A RECESSION. SEE A RECESSION. WE’RE DOING PRETTY DARN WELL IN WE’RE DOING PRETTY DARN WELL IN MY JUDGMENT. MY JUDGMENT. LET’S NOT BE AFRAID OF OPTIMISM. LET’S NOT BE AFRAID OF OPTIMISM. LET’S NOT BE AFRAID OF OPTIMISM. LET’S NOT BE AFRAID OF OPTIMISM.>>BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU ACTUALLY>>BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU ACTUALLY SAID THAT IN 2007 RIGHT BEFORE SAID THAT IN 2007 RIGHT BEFORE THE SECOND WORST DOWNTURN IN THE SECOND WORST DOWNTURN IN AMERICAN HISTORY. AMERICAN HISTORY. THIS IS WHAT YOU WROTE. THIS IS WHAT YOU WROTE. THERE’S NO RECESSION COMING. THERE’S NO RECESSION COMING. THIS IS IN DECEMBER OF ’07. THIS IS IN DECEMBER OF ’07. THE PESSIMISTAS WERE WRONG. THE PESSIMISTAS WERE WRONG.>>I HAVE TO ASK YOU.>>I HAVE TO ASK YOU. WERE THE PESSIMISTAS WRONG? WERE THE PESSIMISTAS WRONG? NO. NO. TRUMP CLEARLY SAYS WHO DO I WANT TRUMP CLEARLY SAYS WHO DO I WANT IN THIS ECONOMIC ROLE? IN THIS ECONOMIC ROLE? AT LEAST SOMEONE WHO CAN GO ON AT LEAST SOMEONE WHO CAN GO ON TV AND SMOOTH THIS ALL OUT. TV AND SMOOTH THIS ALL OUT.>>WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR BUT>>WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITSELF. FEAR ITSELF. THAT’S WHAT MR. KUDLOW IS THAT’S WHAT MR. KUDLOW IS SAYING. SAYING. OF COURSE, CONSUMER CONFIDENCE OF COURSE, CONSUMER CONFIDENCE IS PART OF THE ECONOMY AND THERE IS PART OF THE ECONOMY AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BOOSTING IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BOOSTING THE ECONOMY TO TRY TO INSTILL THE ECONOMY TO TRY TO INSTILL MORE CONSUMER CONFIDENCE. MORE CONSUMER CONFIDENCE. BUT LET’S PULL BACK FOR A BUT LET’S PULL BACK FOR A SECOND, ARI. SECOND, ARI. WE’RE IN THE 8th — THERE’S BEEN WE’RE IN THE 8th — THERE’S BEEN A TEN-YEAR ECONOMIC EXPANSION. A TEN-YEAR ECONOMIC EXPANSION. EIGHT YEARS OF THAT UNDER EIGHT YEARS OF THAT UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA. PRESIDENT OBAMA. CAN THAT CONTINUE FOREVER? CAN THAT CONTINUE FOREVER? I GUESS IT COULD, BUT ALL I GUESS IT COULD, BUT ALL EXPANSIONS ALWAYS COME TO AN EXPANSIONS ALWAYS COME TO AN END. END. THE MUSIC BEGINS TO STOP. THE MUSIC BEGINS TO STOP. SO THAT’S WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING SO THAT’S WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING NOW. NOW. NOBODY IS ROOTING FOR IT. NOBODY IS ROOTING FOR IT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE DATA BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE DATA I WAS TALKING ABOUT, CHINA IS I WAS TALKING ABOUT, CHINA IS SLOWING DOWN, GERMANY IS SLOWING SLOWING DOWN, GERMANY IS SLOWING DOWN, THE U.K. IS SLOWING DOWN, DOWN, THE U.K. IS SLOWING DOWN, THIS IS A GLOBAL PHENOMENON. THIS IS A GLOBAL PHENOMENON. NOT JUST A U.S. PHENOMENON. NOT JUST A U.S. PHENOMENON. IT’S BENEFITED PEOPLE A LONG IT’S BENEFITED PEOPLE A LONG TIME. TIME.>>I’M ALMOST OUT OF TIME.>>I’M ALMOST OUT OF TIME. I’LL CLOSE WITH A ONE WORD I’LL CLOSE WITH A ONE WORD ANSWER WHEN IT COMES TO THE ANSWER WHEN IT COMES TO THE ECONOMY AND FUTURE OF AMERICAN ECONOMY AND FUTURE OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY SI DEMOCRACY SI DEMOCRACY. DEMOCRACY. ONE WORD EACH. ONE WORD EACH. ARE YOU A PESSIMIST OR OPTIMIST? ARE YOU A PESSIMIST OR OPTIMIST?>>PESSIMISTA.>>PESSIMISTA.>>I’M AN IMMIGRANT.>>I’M AN IMMIGRANT. IF THE ECONOMY TURNS BAD HE’S IF THE ECONOMY TURNS BAD HE’S GOING TO COME AFTER PEOPLE LIKE GOING TO COME AFTER PEOPLE LIKE ME IN REELECTION. ME IN REELECTION.>>SO YOU’RE A PESSIMISTA.>>SO YOU’RE A PESSIMISTA.>>I TRY TO BE AN OPTIMISTA>>I TRY TO BE AN OPTIMISTA EVERY DAY. EVERY DAY.>>YOU PRONOUNCE IT BETTER THAN>>YOU PRONOUNCE IT BETTER THAN ME AND LARRY KUDLOW. ME AND LARRY KUDLOW.>>I’M A PESSIMISTA.>>I’M A PESSIMISTA. 74% OF ECONOMISTS ARE SAYING
ADMINISTRATION RAN WHERE JEFFREY EP SPEEN DIED. EP SPEEN DIED. AN ACTIVIST DEMANDING GUN AN ACTIVIST DEMANDING GUN CONTROL FROM MITCH McCONNELL. CONTROL FROM MITCH McCONNELL. ALL OF THAT TONIGHT. ALL OF THAT TONIGHT. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION DEFENDING ITS PLAN TARGETING LOW DEFENDING ITS PLAN TARGETING LOW INCOME LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. INCOME LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. IT’S BASICALLY BECOME A NEW IT’S BASICALLY BECOME A NEW FLASH POINT, A FULL DEFENSE OF FLASH POINT, A FULL DEFENSE OF THIS RATHER UNUSUAL CHANGE TO THIS RATHER UNUSUAL CHANGE TO IMMIGRATION POLICY, AN ATTEMPT IMMIGRATION POLICY, AN ATTEMPT TO PUNISH LEGAL IMMIGRANTS IF TO PUNISH LEGAL IMMIGRANTS IF THEY PARTICIPATE IN LEGAL THEY PARTICIPATE IN LEGAL PROGRAMS LIKE GETTING FOOD PROGRAMS LIKE GETTING FOOD ASSISTANCE OR PARTICIPATING IN ASSISTANCE OR PARTICIPATING IN MEDICAID. MEDICAID. DONALD TRUMP’S TOP IMMIGRATION DONALD TRUMP’S TOP IMMIGRATION OFFICIAL KEN CUCHE ANY LITTLE OFFICIAL KEN CUCHE ANY LITTLE TODAY SAYING THE STATUTE OF TODAY SAYING THE STATUTE OF LIBERTY POEM SHOULD BASICALLY BE LIBERTY POEM SHOULD BASICALLY BE REWRITTEN BASED ON THIS NEW REWRITTEN BASED ON THIS NEW TRUMP POLICY REQUIRING TRUMP POLICY REQUIRING IMMIGRANTS TO PROVE THEY’RE IMMIGRANTS TO PROVE THEY’RE UNLIKELY TO NEED NED PUBLIC UNLIKELY TO NEED NED PUBLIC ASSISTANCE. ASSISTANCE.>>>WOULD YOU ALSO AGREE THAT>>>WOULD YOU ALSO AGREE THAT EMMA LAZARUS’S WORDS ETCHED ON EMMA LAZARUS’S WORDS ETCHED ON THE STATUTE OF LIBERTY, GIVE ME THE STATUTE OF LIBERTY, GIVE ME YOUR POOR ARE PART OF THE YOUR POOR ARE PART OF THE AMERICAN ETHOS. AMERICAN ETHOS.>>HAD THEY CERTAINLY ARE.>>HAD THEY CERTAINLY ARE.>>IT’S KIND OF A TROLLING.>>IT’S KIND OF A TROLLING. TRUMP’S IMMIGRATION CHIEF TRUMP’S IMMIGRATION CHIEF RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE REAL RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE REAL POWERS SAYING SURE, GIVE ME YOUR POWERS SAYING SURE, GIVE ME YOUR TIRED AND YOUR POOR BUT AND TIRED AND YOUR POOR BUT AND ENDING HIS OWN EDITION, STAND ON ENDING HIS OWN EDITION, STAND ON THEIR TONE FEET. THEIR TONE FEET. A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL A LOT OF A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL A LOT OF SEN MENTALITY FOR AT LEAST THE SEN MENTALITY FOR AT LEAST THE RHETORIC IF NOT THE REALITY OF RHETORIC IF NOT THE REALITY OF THE STATUE OF LIBERTY’S GOALS. THE STATUE OF LIBERTY’S GOALS. BUT IT’S ALSO VERY DIFFERENT BUT IT’S ALSO VERY DIFFERENT FROM JUST HOURS BEFORE WHEN HE FROM JUST HOURS BEFORE WHEN HE COMMENTED ON THE VERY SAME COMMENTED ON THE VERY SAME TOPIC. TOPIC. TAKE A LISTEN. TAKE A LISTEN.>>YOU WERE COMPLEMENTING A>>YOU WERE COMPLEMENTING A PUBLIC CHARGE RULE FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC CHARGE RULE FOR THE FIRST TIME. TIME. ISN’T THAT SEPTEMBERMENT, GIVE ISN’T THAT SEPTEMBERMENT, GIVE US YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR, STILL US YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR, STILL OPERATIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OPERATIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OR SHOULD THOSE WORDS COME DOWN OR SHOULD THOSE WORDS COME DOWN OFF THE STATUE? OFF THE STATUE?>>I’M NOT PREPARED TO TAKE>>I’M NOT PREPARED TO TAKE ANYTHING DOWN OFF THE STATUE OF ANYTHING DOWN OFF THE STATUE OF LITTLE BIT. LITTLE BIT.>>IVE GIVE ME YOUR TIRED AND>>IVE GIVE ME YOUR TIRED AND YOUR POOR WHO CAN STAND ON THEIR YOUR POOR WHO CAN STAND ON THEIR OWN TWO FEET AND WILL NOT BECOME OWN TWO FEET AND WILL NOT BECOME A PUBLIC CHARGE. A PUBLIC CHARGE.>>MR. CUCCINELLI SAYING HE’S>>MR. CUCCINELLI SAYING HE’S NOT GOING TO TAKE IT DOWN AND NOT GOING TO TAKE IT DOWN AND NOW PUTTING UP HIS OWN NOW PUTTING UP HIS OWN REVISIONS. REVISIONS. THIS IS NOT JUST OBVIOUSLY A THIS IS NOT JUST OBVIOUSLY A RHETORICAL DISCUSSION. RHETORICAL DISCUSSION. THAT’S NOT WHY IT’S LEADING THE THAT’S NOT WHY IT’S LEADING THE NEWS TONIGHT. NEWS TONIGHT. THIS IS VERY, VERY REAL. THIS IS VERY, VERY REAL. AND THIS ATTEMPT TO THE SORT OF AND THIS ATTEMPT TO THE SORT OF DEFEND THE TARGETING OF LOW DEFEND THE TARGETING OF LOW INCOME LEGAL IMMIGRANTS COMES INCOME LEGAL IMMIGRANTS COMES WITH A CONTEXT. WITH A CONTEXT. IT COMES OF COURSE, AFTER THESE IT COMES OF COURSE, AFTER THESE HEART BREAKING ACCOUNTS THAT HEART BREAKING ACCOUNTS THAT EMERGED FROM THE FALLOUT OF THE EMERGED FROM THE FALLOUT OF THE MASTIFF I.C.E. RAID THAT LEFT MASTIFF I.C.E. RAID THAT LEFT MANY FAMILIES SEPARATED AND LEFT MANY FAMILIES SEPARATED AND LEFT UP THIS PUBLIC CRY, CALL IT UP THIS PUBLIC CRY, CALL IT TESTIMONY, IF YOU WANT, THAT TESTIMONY, IF YOU WANT, THAT WE’VE ALL HEARD NOW AND THAT’S WE’VE ALL HEARD NOW AND THAT’S WORTH HEARING AGAIN FROM AN WORTH HEARING AGAIN FROM AN 11-YEAR-OLD GIRL IN TEARS. 11-YEAR-OLD GIRL IN TEARS.>>I NEED MY DAD.>>I NEED MY DAD. MY DAD DID NOTHING. MY DAD DID NOTHING. HE’S NOT A CRIMINAL. HE’S NOT A CRIMINAL.>>TODAY NBC’S GABE GUTIERREZ>>TODAY NBC’S GABE GUTIERREZ INTERVIEWED ACTING I.C.E. INTERVIEWED ACTING I.C.E. DIRECTOR ASKS FOR REACTION TO DIRECTOR ASKS FOR REACTION TO THAT VERY VIDEO. THAT VERY VIDEO.>>WE CONDUCT OUR OPERATIONS>>WE CONDUCT OUR OPERATIONS WITH PROFESSIONALALISM, WITH PROFESSIONALALISM, COMPASSION AND HUMANITY AND TRY COMPASSION AND HUMANITY AND TRY TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THE TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THE INNOCENT PEOPLE OF THE INNOCENT PEOPLE OF THE SITUATION. SITUATION. HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO ENFORCE THE HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO ENFORCE THE LAW. LAW. THE PARENTS OR THE INDIVIDUALS THE PARENTS OR THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE BREAKING THE LAW ARE THAT ARE BREAKING THE LAW ARE ULTIMATELY THE ONES THAT ARE ULTIMATELY THE ONES THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PLACING THEIR RESPONSIBLE FOR PLACING THEIR CHILDREN IN THIS SITUATION. CHILDREN IN THIS SITUATION.>>YOU SEE THE VERY DIFFERENT>>YOU SEE THE VERY DIFFERENT WAYS TO DEFEND THESE POLICIES. WAYS TO DEFEND THESE POLICIES. CUCCINELLI PICKING A FIGHT WITH CUCCINELLI PICKING A FIGHT WITH POETRY, THE ACTING I.C.E. POETRY, THE ACTING I.C.E. DIRECTOR TALK UP COMPASSION DIRECTOR TALK UP COMPASSION BLAMING THE PARENTS. BLAMING THE PARENTS. THINK FOR A SECOND. THINK FOR A SECOND. COULD COMPASSION AND COULD COMPASSION AND PROFESSIONALISM INVOLVE A PROFESSIONALISM INVOLVE A PROCESS WHERE THERE WAS PROCESS WHERE THERE WAS COMMUNICATION WHEN YOU HAVE A COMMUNICATION WHEN YOU HAVE A MINOR WHO IS NOW SEPARATED FROM MINOR WHO IS NOW SEPARATED FROM HER PARENTS? HER PARENTS? I PUT THAT QUESTION TO YOU WITH I PUT THAT QUESTION TO YOU WITH THIS REPORTING. THIS REPORTING. FIVE DAYS LATER SHE DOESN’T KNOW FIVE DAYS LATER SHE DOESN’T KNOW WHERE HER FATHER IS. WHERE HER FATHER IS. THIS IMMIGRATION POLICY IS THE THIS IMMIGRATION POLICY IS THE REALITY RIGHT NOW. REALITY RIGHT NOW. RAIDS THAT LEAVE THESE CHILDREN RAIDS THAT LEAVE THESE CHILDREN IN TEARS IN THE WAKE OF A MASS IN TEARS IN THE WAKE OF A MASS SHOOTING TARGETING LATINOS, NO SHOOTING TARGETING LATINOS, NO EFFORT TO THE COMMUNICATE WITH EFFORT TO THE COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE ABOUT THE REALITIES OF PEOPLE ABOUT THE REALITIES OF THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE NOW THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE NOW SEPARATED. SEPARATED. RIPPING CHILDREN AWAY FROM THEIR RIPPING CHILDREN AWAY FROM THEIR PARENTS AT THE BORDER. PARENTS AT THE BORDER. THERE’S A NEW COURT FILING FROM THERE’S A NEW COURT FILING FROM THE ACLU THAT SAYS THAT FAMILY THE ACLU THAT SAYS THAT FAMILY SEPARATION POLICY IS STILL VERY SEPARATION POLICY IS STILL VERY MUCH ON WHILE THE TRUMP MUCH ON WHILE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION CLAIMED IT’S NOT. ADMINISTRATION CLAIMED IT’S NOT. SPEAKER HE WILL PEL IS SPEAKING SPEAKER HE WILL PEL IS SPEAKING OUT ON THIS EFFORT AND SAYS IT OUT ON THIS EFFORT AND SAYS IT IS TO DEMONIZE AND TERRORIZE IS TO DEMONIZE AND TERRORIZE IMMIGRANTS AND CALLS THE NEW IMMIGRANTS AND CALLS THE NEW POLICY THAT HAVE COME OUT WHILE POLICY THAT HAVE COME OUT WHILE CONGRESS IS ON RECESS HATEFUL CONGRESS IS ON RECESS HATEFUL AND BIGOTED. AND BIGOTED. KEN CUCCINELLI WE PROFILED ON KEN CUCCINELLI WE PROFILED ON THE SHOW FOR HIS EXTREMELY THE SHOW FOR HIS EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE RECORD IS PUSHING CONSERVATIVE RECORD IS PUSHING BACK HIMSELF. BACK HIMSELF. HE SAYS AS YOU HEARD, IT’S NOT HE SAYS AS YOU HEARD, IT’S NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK MIGRANTS TO BE TOO MUCH TO ASK MIGRANTS TO BE “SELF-SUFFICIENT.” “SELF-SUFFICIENT.” BEFORE I TURN TO THE PANEL, I BEFORE I TURN TO THE PANEL, I WANT TO LEAVE ONE FINAL THOUGHT WANT TO LEAVE ONE FINAL THOUGHT ON ALL OF THIS NEWS YOU’VE JUST ON ALL OF THIS NEWS YOU’VE JUST HEARD AS IT JUMBLES TOOTH. HEARD AS IT JUMBLES TOOTH. MR. CUCHE ANY LITTLE IS CARRYING MR. CUCHE ANY LITTLE IS CARRYING OUT THE TRUMP PLAN, THE TRUMP OUT THE TRUMP PLAN, THE TRUMP AGENDA. AGENDA. AND THAT IDEA THAT EVERYONE MUST AND THAT IDEA THAT EVERYONE MUST BE SELF-SUFFICIENT MISREADS BE SELF-SUFFICIENT MISREADS AMERICA IN WAYS. AMERICA IN WAYS. FIRST, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG FIRST, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH PEOPLE WHO HAPPEN TO WITH PEOPLE WHO HAPPEN TO RECEIVE FEDERAL BENEFITS RECEIVE FEDERAL BENEFITS SOMETIMES. SOMETIMES. WHETHER THEY’RE SENIORS ON WHETHER THEY’RE SENIORS ON SOCIAL SECURITY OR VETERANS WHO SOCIAL SECURITY OR VETERANS WHO GET HEALTH INSURANCE OR WORKERS GET HEALTH INSURANCE OR WORKERS WHO GET UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE WHO GET UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BECAUSE THEY’VE LOST A JOB BY NO BECAUSE THEY’VE LOST A JOB BY NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN IN A FAULT OF THEIR OWN IN A RECESSION OR CORPORATE DECISION RECESSION OR CORPORATE DECISION OR CHILDREN WHO GET FOOD OR CHILDREN WHO GET FOOD ASSISTANCE. ASSISTANCE. LET’S REMEMBER THERE IS NO LET’S REMEMBER THERE IS NO INSULT, NO FAILING IN INSULT, NO FAILING IN PARTICIPATING IN THOSE PROGRAMS PARTICIPATING IN THOSE PROGRAMS AT SOME POINT IN YOUR LIFE. AT SOME POINT IN YOUR LIFE. IT’S PART OF OUR SOCIAL SAFETY IT’S PART OF OUR SOCIAL SAFETY NET. NET. LONG FUNDED AND OPERATED IF YOU LONG FUNDED AND OPERATED IF YOU WANT TO GET POLITICAL BY YES, WANT TO GET POLITICAL BY YES, ADMINISTRATIONS IN BOTH PARTIES. ADMINISTRATIONS IN BOTH PARTIES. THEN THERE’S THE IMMIGRATION THEN THERE’S THE IMMIGRATION PIECE OF THIS, SECOND. PIECE OF THIS, SECOND. AMERICA’S ETHIC HAS STRIPED TO AMERICA’S ETHIC HAS STRIPED TO WELCOME PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF WELCOME PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE OR WHAT THEY WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE OR WHAT THEY MAKE. MAKE. IN FACT, WHEN IT DOES COME TO IN FACT, WHEN IT DOES COME TO STRUGGLE WHEN THAT IS A PART OF STRUGGLE WHEN THAT IS A PART OF THE ANALYSIS OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE THE ANALYSIS OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM AND WHAT THEY WENT COMING FROM AND WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH, OUR RHETORIC AND OUR THROUGH, OUR RHETORIC AND OUR ASYLUM POLICIES HAVE LONG NOTED ASYLUM POLICIES HAVE LONG NOTED SOMETIMES IT’S THE PEOPLE IN THE SOMETIMES IT’S THE PEOPLE IN THE MOST TROUBLE WHO NEED AMERICA. MOST TROUBLE WHO NEED AMERICA. AND WHILE WE DON’T LET THEM ALL AND WHILE WE DON’T LET THEM ALL IN, THAT’S NOT THE RULE, WE IN, THAT’S NOT THE RULE, WE CAN’T LET THEM ALL IN, SAY MANY CAN’T LET THEM ALL IN, SAY MANY POLITICIANS AND WHILE WE HAVEN’T POLITICIANS AND WHILE WE HAVEN’T ALWAYS LIVED UP AS A COUNTRY TO ALWAYS LIVED UP AS A COUNTRY TO THAT GOAL, WE’VE CERTAINLY THAT GOAL, WE’VE CERTAINLY STRIVED FOR IT AND TALKED ABOUT STRIVED FOR IT AND TALKED ABOUT IT. IT. THAT’S WHY WE ALL KNOW THE THAT’S WHY WE ALL KNOW THE RHETORIC IN THE STATUE OF RHETORIC IN THE STATUE OF LIBERTY POEM THAT EVERYONE IS LIBERTY POEM THAT EVERYONE IS FIGHTING ABOUT, GIVE ME YOUR FIGHTING ABOUT, GIVE ME YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR, YOUR HUDDLED TIRED, YOUR POOR, YOUR HUDDLED MASSES YEARNING TO BE FREE. MASSES YEARNING TO BE FREE. THE IDEA IS PRETTY SIMPLE. THE IDEA IS PRETTY SIMPLE. AMERICA IS WHERE SOME OF THEM AMERICA IS WHERE SOME OF THEM MIGHT GET TO COP FOR A BETTER MIGHT GET TO COP FOR A BETTER LIFE. LIFE. NOT THAT THE DOOR TO AMERICA SK NOT THAT THE DOOR TO AMERICA SK COMPLETELY SHUT UNLESS YOU COMPLETELY SHUT UNLESS YOU ALREADY HAVE ONE. ALREADY HAVE ONE. WITH THAT WE TURN TO OUR EXPERT WITH THAT WE TURN TO OUR EXPERT PANEL IT, LEAH RIGORE, MARY PANEL IT, LEAH RIGORE, MARY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NATIONAL IMMIGRATION LAW CENTER NATIONAL IMMIGRATION LAW CENTER AND WASHINGTON ANCHOR CATTY KAY. AND WASHINGTON ANCHOR CATTY KAY. MARIEL ELAINA, YOUR THOUGHTS? MARIEL ELAINA, YOUR THOUGHTS?>>THANK YOU, ARI.>>THANK YOU, ARI. AS AN IMMIGRANT FROM COLOMBIA AS AN IMMIGRANT FROM COLOMBIA AND A LAWYER, IT IS DEEPLY AND A LAWYER, IT IS DEEPLY OFFENSIVE TO SEAR ACTING OFFENSIVE TO SEAR ACTING DIRECTOR CUCCINELLI TALK ABOUT DIRECTOR CUCCINELLI TALK ABOUT THIS AS SELF-SUFFICIENCY. THIS AS SELF-SUFFICIENCY. THE FACT IS THAT THIS IS THE THE FACT IS THAT THIS IS THE COUNTRY, THE LAND OF COUNTRY, THE LAND OF OPPORTUNITY. OPPORTUNITY. THAT IS THE STORY WE HAVE TOLD THAT IS THE STORY WE HAVE TOLD OURSELVES FOR SEVERAL CENTURIES OURSELVES FOR SEVERAL CENTURIES NOW. NOW. AND WE KNOW THAT IN FACT, THE AND WE KNOW THAT IN FACT, THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS AT SOME MAJORITY OF AMERICANS AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIFETIME ARE POINT IN THEIR LIFETIME ARE GOING TO NEED TO RELY ON CERTAIN GOING TO NEED TO RELY ON CERTAIN TYPES OF SAFETY NET PROGRAMS TYPES OF SAFETY NET PROGRAMS WHETHER IT’S UNEMPLOYMENT, WHETHER IT’S UNEMPLOYMENT, WHETHER IT’S NUTRITION WHETHER IT’S NUTRITION ASSISTANCE, HEALTH CARE, ASSISTANCE, HEALTH CARE, WHATEVER IT IS. WHATEVER IT IS. THESE ARE ANTI-POVERTY PROGRAMS THESE ARE ANTI-POVERTY PROGRAMS FOR THAT VERY REASON. FOR THAT VERY REASON. THEY’RE ANTI-POVERTY. THEY’RE ANTI-POVERTY. THEY’RE MEANT TO HELP PEOPLE THEY’RE MEANT TO HELP PEOPLE MAKE ENDS MEET WHEN THEY’RE MAKE ENDS MEET WHEN THEY’RE FACING A HARD TIME WHICH WAS MY FACING A HARD TIME WHICH WAS MY OWN FAMILY’S EXPERIENCE WHEN WE OWN FAMILY’S EXPERIENCE WHEN WE FIRST ARRIVED IN THIS COUNTRY IN FIRST ARRIVED IN THIS COUNTRY IN THE 1970s FROM COLOMBIA. THE 1970s FROM COLOMBIA.>>LEAH, LISTEN TO THE PRESIDENT>>LEAH, LISTEN TO THE PRESIDENT ON ALL THIS TODAY. ON ALL THIS TODAY.>>MAYBE THERE OUGHT TO BE A>>MAYBE THERE OUGHT TO BE A DIFFERENT POEM ON THE STATUTE OF DIFFERENT POEM ON THE STATUTE OF LIBERTY. LIBERTY. DO YOU THINK THAT SHOULD BE DO YOU THINK THAT SHOULD BE SAVED? SAVED?>>I DON’T THINK IT’S FAIR TO>>I DON’T THINK IT’S FAIR TO HAVE THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER, YOU HAVE THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER, YOU KNOW, IT’S ABOUT AMERICA FIRST. KNOW, IT’S ABOUT AMERICA FIRST. I DON’T THINK IT’S FAIR TO HAVE I DON’T THINK IT’S FAIR TO HAVE THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER PAY FOR THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER PAY FOR PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE UNITED PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE UNITED STATES. STATES.>>LEAH?>>LEAH?>>WELL, YOU KNOW, ARI, I THINK>>WELL, YOU KNOW, ARI, I THINK CRUELTY IS THE POINT. CRUELTY IS THE POINT. THAT MUCH IS AN APPARENT. THAT MUCH IS AN APPARENT. THE PRESIDENT IS BEING EXPLICIT THE PRESIDENT IS BEING EXPLICIT ABOUT IT NOW. ABOUT IT NOW. THIS ISN’T ABOUT THE LAW. THIS ISN’T ABOUT THE LAW. IF IT WAS ABOUT THE LAW AND IF IF IT WAS ABOUT THE LAW AND IF IT WAS ABOUT TAXPAYERS AND IT WAS ABOUT TAXPAYERS AND THIN THAT, WE’D ACTUALLY THIN THAT, WE’D ACTUALLY SEE THAT THE CORPORATIONS SEE THAT THE CORPORATIONS INVOLVED IN BRINGING PEOPLE OVER INVOLVED IN BRINGING PEOPLE OVER OR WHO BREAK THESE RULES AND OR WHO BREAK THESE RULES AND PROFIT FROM THESE RULES THAT THE PROFIT FROM THESE RULES THAT THE GOVERNMENT WOULD BE PAYING GOVERNMENT WOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THEM. ATTENTION TO THEM. THEY’RE NOT. THEY’RE NOT. WE SEE THAT ALL THE TIME. WE SEE THAT ALL THE TIME. INSTEAD, WHAT WE SEE IS THAT INSTEAD, WHAT WE SEE IS THAT THIS IS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S YOU THIS IS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP’S YOU KNOW QUEST TO MAKE AMERICA LOOK KNOW QUEST TO MAKE AMERICA LOOK A VERY PARTICULAR WAY. A VERY PARTICULAR WAY. HE WAS VERY HONEST ABOUT THAT IN HE WAS VERY HONEST ABOUT THAT IN THAT STATEMENT HE JUST GAVE TO THAT STATEMENT HE JUST GAVE TO THE PRESS. THE PRESS. THIS ISN’T ABOUT BRINGING THIS ISN’T ABOUT BRINGING AMERICA BACK TO SAY THE 1960s OR AMERICA BACK TO SAY THE 1960s OR 1970s. 1970s. THIS IS LOOKING MORE AND MORE THIS IS LOOKING MORE AND MORE LIKE BRINGING ARE AMERICA BACK LIKE BRINGING ARE AMERICA BACK TO THE 1924 AND JAUND REED ACT, TO THE 1924 AND JAUND REED ACT, ABOUT MAKING A CERTAIN KIND OF ABOUT MAKING A CERTAIN KIND OF AMERICA, ONE IN WHICH IT’S NOT AMERICA, ONE IN WHICH IT’S NOT JUST UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS JUST UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS TARGETED BUT ALSO LEGAL TARGETED BUT ALSO LEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE FROM IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE FROM PARTICULAR BACKGROUNDS WHO ARE PARTICULAR BACKGROUNDS WHO ARE OF CERTAIN AGES FROM CERTAIN OF CERTAIN AGES FROM CERTAIN COUNTRIES. COUNTRIES. THAT MUCH IS CLEAR. THAT MUCH IS CLEAR.>>I DIDN’T KNOW YOU WANTED TO>>I DIDN’T KNOW YOU WANTED TO GO THERE, GET INTO THE JOHNSON GO THERE, GET INTO THE JOHNSON REED ACT. REED ACT. WE CAN DO THAT, PROFESSOR. WE CAN DO THAT, PROFESSOR. YOU’RE REFERRING TO THE LAST YOU’RE REFERRING TO THE LAST TIME THAT THE FEDERAL LAW TIME THAT THE FEDERAL LAW EXPLICITLIAGE KNOCKED THAT WILL EXPLICITLIAGE KNOCKED THAT WILL KIND OF DISCRIMINATION, WHICH KIND OF DISCRIMINATION, WHICH WAS LATER REVISED IN ’65, NOT WAS LATER REVISED IN ’65, NOT PERFECTED BY ANY MEANS BUT AT PERFECTED BY ANY MEANS BUT AT LEAST THE GOVERNMENT WAS NO LEAST THE GOVERNMENT WAS NO LONGER ON RECORD ADMITTING THAT LONGER ON RECORD ADMITTING THAT IT WAS GOING TO BAN PEOPLE BASED IT WAS GOING TO BAN PEOPLE BASED ON FOR EXAMPLE, NATIONAL ORIGIN ON FOR EXAMPLE, NATIONAL ORIGIN FROM ASIA OR IN RELIGION WITH FROM ASIA OR IN RELIGION WITH QUOTAS AGAINST JEWS. QUOTAS AGAINST JEWS. WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE WAY WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE WAY THEY’RE KIND OF GIVING THE GAME THEY’RE KIND OF GIVING THE GAME AWAY AND HOW FAR BACK THEY WANT AWAY AND HOW FAR BACK THEY WANT TO GO IN THESE POLICIES? TO GO IN THESE POLICIES?>>IMMIGRATION REFORM IN THIS>>IMMIGRATION REFORM IN THIS COUNTRY HAS BEEN FAR FROM COUNTRY HAS BEEN FAR FROM PERFECT PARTICULARLY IN THE LAST PERFECT PARTICULARLY IN THE LAST 20 YEARS. 20 YEARS. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS STRIKING, REALLY STRIKING ABOUT STRIKING, REALLY STRIKING ABOUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS THE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS THE RHETORIC AND THE LANGUAGE THAT RHETORIC AND THE LANGUAGE THAT AROUND IMMIGRATION AND HOW THAT AROUND IMMIGRATION AND HOW THAT IS TIED EXPLICITLY TO POLICY. IS TIED EXPLICITLY TO POLICY. SO DONALD TRUMP SAYING THAT SO DONALD TRUMP SAYING THAT MEXICO IS SENDING ITS WORST, MEXICO IS SENDING ITS WORST, SENDING RAPISTS AND DRUG DEGREE SENDING RAPISTS AND DRUG DEGREE DEALERS, SAYING THAT MEXICAN DEALERS, SAYING THAT MEXICAN DRUGS ARE DISCRIMINATORY, MAKING DRUGS ARE DISCRIMINATORY, MAKING RACIST STATEMENTS AROUND THAT RACIST STATEMENTS AROUND THAT USING LANGUAGE ABOUT INVASION USING LANGUAGE ABOUT INVASION ABOUT A COMING HOARD, ABOUT THE ABOUT A COMING HOARD, ABOUT THE DANGERS OF MIGRANTS, THAT AND DANGERS OF MIGRANTS, THAT AND EXPLICITLY TIEING IT TO POLICY EXPLICITLY TIEING IT TO POLICY THAT FOR ALL PURPOSES REALLY IS THAT FOR ALL PURPOSES REALLY IS ABOUT EXCLUDING PEOPLE FROM THIS ABOUT EXCLUDING PEOPLE FROM THIS COUNTRY AND ABOUT CREATING A COUNTRY AND ABOUT CREATING A SYSTEM THAT SINCE IT CAN’T BE SYSTEM THAT SINCE IT CAN’T BE DONE THROUGH CONGRESS AND HASN’T DONE THROUGH CONGRESS AND HASN’T BEEN DONE THROUGH CONGRESS, BEEN DONE THROUGH CONGRESS, REALLY KILLS LEGAL AND UN REALLY KILLS LEGAL AND UN UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRATION. UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRATION. LEGAL IMMIGRATION THROUGH A LEGAL IMMIGRATION THROUGH A THOUSAND BACKDOOR CUTS. THOUSAND BACKDOOR CUTS. THAT PART IS IMPORTANT AND THAT THAT PART IS IMPORTANT AND THAT PART IS DIFFERENT. PART IS DIFFERENT.>>APPRECIATE BOTH YOUR ERUD>>APPRECIATE BOTH YOUR ERUD IT/IO N. IT/IO N. I’M TURNING TO KATTY KAY. I’M TURNING TO KATTY KAY. I DON’T THINK IT’S A SECRET TO I DON’T THINK IT’S A SECRET TO THE REGULAR VIEWERS THAT YOU THE REGULAR VIEWERS THAT YOU HAPPEN TO BE EVERYBODY SOMEWHERE HAPPEN TO BE EVERYBODY SOMEWHERE ELSE. ELSE.>>I’M AN IMMIGRANT IN THIS>>I’M AN IMMIGRANT IN THIS COUNTRY, FIRST GENERATION COUNTRY, FIRST GENERATION IMMIGRANT. IMMIGRANT. I PAY TAXES AND AM EFFECTIVELY A I PAY TAXES AND AM EFFECTIVELY A TAXPAYER IN THIS COUNTRY. TAXPAYER IN THIS COUNTRY. A LOT OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ALSO A LOT OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ALSO PAY TAXES IN THIS COUNTRY. PAY TAXES IN THIS COUNTRY. I THINK THE IDEA THAT THIS IS I THINK THE IDEA THAT THIS IS SOMETHING TO DO WITH TAXES OR SOMETHING TO DO WITH TAXES OR WELFARE IS A TOTAL RED HERRING. WELFARE IS A TOTAL RED HERRING.>>THAT’S WHAT I WANT TO DRILL>>THAT’S WHAT I WANT TO DRILL DOWN WITH YOU ON. DOWN WITH YOU ON. WHICH IS WHO IS BEING TARGETED. WHICH IS WHO IS BEING TARGETED. AND LET ME HAVE FOR YOUR AND LET ME HAVE FOR YOUR ANALYSIS KEN CUCCINELLI PRESSED ANALYSIS KEN CUCCINELLI PRESSED WITH THAT QUESTION, WAIT A WITH THAT QUESTION, WAIT A MINUTE, IT IS NOW BECOME MINUTE, IT IS NOW BECOME DIAGNOSE QUITE CLEAR THAT DIAGNOSE QUITE CLEAR THAT CERTAIN GROUPS ARE BEING CERTAIN GROUPS ARE BEING TARGETED, TARGETING THE POOR HAS TARGETED, TARGETING THE POOR HAS LEAST SINCE ’65 IF NOT BEFORE LEAST SINCE ’65 IF NOT BEFORE BEEN DISFAVORED AND WHAT WHERE BEEN DISFAVORED AND WHAT WHERE THEY ARE FROM AND WHAT THEY LOOK THEY ARE FROM AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE IS SUPPOSED TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. UNCONSTITUTIONAL. TAKE A LISTEN. TAKE A LISTEN.>>WHY SHOULDN’T THE LATINO>>WHY SHOULDN’T THE LATINO COMMUNITY FEEL TARGETED? COMMUNITY FEEL TARGETED?>>THIS IS NOT NEW.>>THIS IS NOT NEW. THIS SAME QUESTION MIGHT HAVE THIS SAME QUESTION MIGHT HAVE BEEN ASKED WHEN IMMIGRANT BEEN ASKED WHEN IMMIGRANT ANCESTORS WERE COMING ALL ANCESTORS WERE COMING ALL THROUGH THE 140 YEARS. THROUGH THE 140 YEARS. THIS APPLY ACROSS THE WORLD. THIS APPLY ACROSS THE WORLD.>>THIS APPLY TO MORE LATINOS?>>THIS APPLY TO MORE LATINOS?>>IF WE HAD BEEN HAVING THIS>>IF WE HAD BEEN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION A COUPLE HUNDRED CONVERSATION A COUPLE HUNDRED YEARS AGO, IT WOULD HAVE APPLIED YEARS AGO, IT WOULD HAVE APPLIED TO MORE ITALIANS. TO MORE ITALIANS.>>I’M NOT SURE HE IS THE BEST>>I’M NOT SURE HE IS THE BEST ADVOCATE AND MOST CONVINCING ADVOCATE AND MOST CONVINCING PRESENTER OF THESE IDEAS. PRESENTER OF THESE IDEAS. IT SEEMS THAT IS EVERY TIME IT SEEMS THAT IS EVERY TIME WE’VE THROWN TO A CLIP, HE’S WE’VE THROWN TO A CLIP, HE’S PUTTING HIS FOOT IN HIS MOUTH PUTTING HIS FOOT IN HIS MOUTH CLAIMING HE, NOT SENATE CLAIMING HE, NOT SENATE CONFIRMED, HE SHOULD BE CONFIRMED, HE SHOULD BE RE-WRIGHT THE STATUTE OF LIBERTY RE-WRIGHT THE STATUTE OF LIBERTY POEM AND MAKING THE LATINO, POEM AND MAKING THE LATINO, ITALIAN COMPARE RESPONDS I LEAVE ITALIAN COMPARE RESPONDS I LEAVE THAT TO HIM. THAT TO HIM. I ASK YOU IS THIS ACCURATE AND I ASK YOU IS THIS ACCURATE AND WHAT IS HE MISSING? WHAT IS HE MISSING?>>SO THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW>>SO THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW IMMIGRANTS ARE GOING TO TAKE IMMIGRANTS ARE GOING TO TAKE WELFARE BASED ON THE COLOR OF WELFARE BASED ON THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN IS A COMPLETE THEIR SKIN IS A COMPLETE MISNOMER. MISNOMER. AS WE KNOW, THE VAST MAJORITY OF AS WE KNOW, THE VAST MAJORITY OF RECIPIENTS OF FOOD STAMPS IN RECIPIENTS OF FOOD STAMPS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE LIGHTWEIGHT, THIS COUNTRY ARE LIGHTWEIGHT, NOT AFRICAN-AMERICAN, NOT NOT AFRICAN-AMERICAN, NOT HISPANIC. HISPANIC. I THINK THERE’S ONLY ABOUT 10% I THINK THERE’S ONLY ABOUT 10% OF RECIPIENTS WHO ARE HISPANIC. OF RECIPIENTS WHO ARE HISPANIC. LET’S PUT THAT TO ONE SIDE. LET’S PUT THAT TO ONE SIDE. THE PROFESSOR TOOK US BACK IN THE PROFESSOR TOOK US BACK IN SIDE. SIDE. LET’S JUMP TOWARD. LET’S JUMP TOWARD. THIS IS ALL ABOUT 2044 WHEN THIS IS ALL ABOUT 2044 WHEN AMERICA BECOMES A MINORITY WHITE AMERICA BECOMES A MINORITY WHITE COUNTRY. COUNTRY. A BIT LIKE KING KNUTE, THE TRUMP A BIT LIKE KING KNUTE, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS DESPERATELY ADMINISTRATION IS DESPERATELY TRYING TO STOP THE TIDE OF THAT. TRYING TO STOP THE TIDE OF THAT. STEVEN MILLER CAME INTO THE STEVEN MILLER CAME INTO THE WHITE HOUSE WANTING TO TARGET WHITE HOUSE WANTING TO TARGET ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION YES, BUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION YES, BUT WANTING ALSO RIGHT FROM THE WANTING ALSO RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS ADMINISTRATION BEGINNING OF THIS ADMINISTRATION TO TARGET LEGAL IMMIGRATION TO TO TARGET LEGAL IMMIGRATION TO TRY TO MAKE AMERICA IN THE IMAGE TRY TO MAKE AMERICA IN THE IMAGE THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT WHICH IS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT WHICH IS MAJORITY WHITE. MAJORITY WHITE. WE KNOW THEY HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT WE KNOW THEY HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT TAKING NORWEGIANS AND SMOT TAKING NORWEGIANS AND SMOT PEOPLE FROM AFRICAN OR HISPANIC PEOPLE FROM AFRICAN OR HISPANIC COUNTRIES. COUNTRIES. THIS IS ABOUT RACE AND KEEPING THIS IS ABOUT RACE AND KEEPING WHERK WHITE. WHERK WHITE. IT’S NOT ABOUT THE WELFARE, IT’S NOT ABOUT THE WELFARE, TAXES OR ECONOMICS. TAXES OR ECONOMICS.>>MARIE ELENA.>>MARIE ELENA.>>COMPLETELY GO AGREE.>>COMPLETELY GO AGREE. WHAT THIS RACIALLY MOTIVATED WHAT THIS RACIALLY MOTIVATED RULE DOES NOT DO IS CHANGE THE RULE DOES NOT DO IS CHANGE THE ELIGIBILITY RULES ABOUT ELIGIBILITY RULES ABOUT IMMIGRANT ACCESS TO NUTRITION OR IMMIGRANT ACCESS TO NUTRITION OR HEALTH CARE BUT WHAT IT DOES DO HEALTH CARE BUT WHAT IT DOES DO IS ACTUALLY CHANGE THE POLITICAL IS ACTUALLY CHANGE THE POLITICAL POWER DYNAMICS. POWER DYNAMICS. WHAT THEY’RE TRYING TO DO IS WHAT THEY’RE TRYING TO DO IS HAVE MILLIONS OF IMMIGRANTS NOT HAVE MILLIONS OF IMMIGRANTS NOT BE ABLE TO BECOME PERMANENT BE ABLE TO BECOME PERMANENT RESIDENTS AND EVENTUAL VOTERS. RESIDENTS AND EVENTUAL VOTERS. THERE IS THEIR WAY TO EVENTUALLY THERE IS THEIR WAY TO EVENTUALLY HAVE MINORITY RULE, A COUNTRY A HAVE MINORITY RULE, A COUNTRY A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE OF COLOR IN MAJORITY OF PEOPLE OF COLOR IN THE FUTURE. THE FUTURE.>>THIS TRACTION PERFECTLY WITH>>THIS TRACTION PERFECTLY WITH THE NEXT QUESTION I WANTED TO THE NEXT QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK THE PROFESSOR WHICH IS ASK THE PROFESSOR WHICH IS YOU’VE ALSO DONE A LOT OF THE YOU’VE ALSO DONE A LOT OF THE POLITICS ON THIS. POLITICS ON THIS. I WONDER WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT I WONDER WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE POLITICS HERE AFTER THE THE POLITICS HERE AFTER THE PRESIDENT HAS HAD LET’S BE PRESIDENT HAS HAD LET’S BE CLEAR, ROUGH TIMES EVEN BY HIS CLEAR, ROUGH TIMES EVEN BY HIS STANDARDS YOU KNOW, THIS STANDARDS YOU KNOW, THIS CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER THAT THE CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WAS AN US TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WAS AN US COULD OF HAVING STAFF TOO LOOENT COULD OF HAVING STAFF TOO LOOENT LENIENT ON, THEN MYSTERIOUSLY LENIENT ON, THEN MYSTERIOUSLY DIES IN JAIL, THE TRUMP DIES IN JAIL, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OVERSEEING THAT, ADMINISTRATION OVERSEEING THAT, A SERIES OF REPORTS ABOUT HIS A SERIES OF REPORTS ABOUT HIS HANDLING OF THESE MASSACHUSETTS HANDLING OF THESE MASSACHUSETTS SHOOTINGS WHILE NOT CAUSAL SHOOTINGS WHILE NOT CAUSAL CERTAINLY HAD THE SHOOTER CERTAINLY HAD THE SHOOTER ECHOING LANGUAGE OF THE ECHOING LANGUAGE OF THE PRESIDENT AND ALL THE OTHER PRESIDENT AND ALL THE OTHER PROBLEMS. PROBLEMS. HERE ARE THE POLITICS, LEAH, HERE ARE THE POLITICS, LEAH, HERE WE GO AGAIN. HERE WE GO AGAIN. WHAT I MENTIONED AT THE TOP WHAT I MENTIONED AT THE TOP WHICH IS THE INSINUATION THAT WHICH IS THE INSINUATION THAT PARTICIPATING IN ANY PUBLIC PARTICIPATING IN ANY PUBLIC PROGRAM MAKES YOU SOMEHOW PROGRAM MAKES YOU SOMEHOW SUSPECT AND REAGAN QUO DO THAT SUSPECT AND REAGAN QUO DO THAT IN A DOMESTIC CONTEXT WITH IN A DOMESTIC CONTEXT WITH AFRICAN-AMERICANS. AFRICAN-AMERICANS. WE’RE SEEING IT IN THE WE’RE SEEING IT IN THE IMMIGRATION CONTEXT. IMMIGRATION CONTEXT. WALK US THROUGH YOUR VIEW OF THE WALK US THROUGH YOUR VIEW OF THE POLITICAL PLAYBOOK HERE. POLITICAL PLAYBOOK HERE.>>YOU KNOW IN, TIMES OF CRISIS>>YOU KNOW IN, TIMES OF CRISIS FOR DONALD TRUMP, HE VERY FOR DONALD TRUMP, HE VERY QUICKLY FALLS BACK ON THE — ON QUICKLY FALLS BACK ON THE — ON YOU KNOW, THE CULTURE WARS AND YOU KNOW, THE CULTURE WARS AND WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO THE RACE WARS WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO THE RACE WARS AND IMMIGRATION WARS. AND IMMIGRATION WARS. SO THIS IS HIS FAVORITE AND SO THIS IS HIS FAVORITE AND PERHAPS THE EASIEST PUNCHING BAG PERHAPS THE EASIEST PUNCHING BAG FOR HIM. FOR HIM. THIS IS HOW HE STARTED HIS THIS IS HOW HE STARTED HIS CAMPAIGN. CAMPAIGN. THIS IS HOW YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS HOW YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW HE RAN HIS CAMPAIGN. HOW HE RAN HIS CAMPAIGN. THIS IS WHAT HE DID, WHAT HE THIS IS WHAT HE DID, WHAT HE FOCUSED ON IN THE 2016 SPECIAL FOCUSED ON IN THE 2016 SPECIAL ELECTIONS AND ESPECIALLY THE 201 ELECTIONS AND ESPECIALLY THE 201 ELECTIONS AND PULLING IT OUT ELECTIONS AND PULLING IT OUT AGAIN TO APPEAL TO HIS BASE. AGAIN TO APPEAL TO HIS BASE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT GROWING HIS THIS IS NOT ABOUT GROWING HIS BASE. BASE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT. ONE THING I WOULD PUSH BACK ON ONE THING I WOULD PUSH BACK ON AND REALLY THINK ABOUT IS, HOW AND REALLY THINK ABOUT IS, HOW OFTEN HAS THIS BEEN SUCCESSFUL OFTEN HAS THIS BEEN SUCCESSFUL FOR DONALD TRUMP? FOR DONALD TRUMP? WE MAY POINT TO 2016 BUT WE CAN WE MAY POINT TO 2016 BUT WE CAN LOOK AT 2018 AND SEE THAT THIS LOOK AT 2018 AND SEE THAT THIS IDEA OF THE SO-CALLED HOARD, IDEA OF THE SO-CALLED HOARD, THIS MYTH OF THE HOARD, THE FEAR THIS MYTH OF THE HOARD, THE FEAR OF THE HOARD DIDN’T PAN OUT. OF THE HOARD DIDN’T PAN OUT. THE CARAVAN DIDN’T PLAY OUT IN THE CARAVAN DIDN’T PLAY OUT IN HIS FAVOR AT THE BALLOT BOX. HIS FAVOR AT THE BALLOT BOX. WHAT IT ENDED UP DOING IS WHAT IT ENDED UP DOING IS CREATING, YOU KNOW, PLAYING A CREATING, YOU KNOW, PLAYING A ROLE IN THE INCREASED FRENZY AND ROLE IN THE INCREASED FRENZY AND RHETORIC AROUND RACE THAT HAD RHETORIC AROUND RACE THAT HAD DEVASTATING CONSEQUENCES BUT DEVASTATING CONSEQUENCES BUT POLITICALLY, DIDN’T SEEM TO — POLITICALLY, DIDN’T SEEM TO — DIDN’T PAYOFF FOR HIM. DIDN’T PAYOFF FOR HIM.>>LEAH AND MARIE ELAINA, THANK>>LEAH AND MARIE ELAINA, THANK YOU BOTH. YOU BOTH. HAVE I ONE MORE THING IN NEW HAVE I ONE MORE THING IN NEW YORK FOR KATTY KAY. YORK FOR KATTY KAY. THAT IS STEVEN MILLER. THAT IS STEVEN MILLER. STEVEN MILLER HAS MAINTAINED A STEVEN MILLER HAS MAINTAINED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INFLUENCE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INFLUENCE OVER IMMIGRATION POLICY. OVER IMMIGRATION POLICY. HE WORKED FOR JEFF SESSIONS. HE WORKED FOR JEFF SESSIONS. HE’S NOW JOUST LASTED JEFF HE’S NOW JOUST LASTED JEFF SESSIONS AND VIEWERS MAY KNOW SESSIONS AND VIEWERS MAY KNOW HIM AS SOMEONE HOB ISN’T ON HIM AS SOMEONE HOB ISN’T ON CAMERA ALL THAT MUCH AND YET CAMERA ALL THAT MUCH AND YET SOMETIMES SEEMS TO AS I SOMETIMES SEEMS TO AS I MENTIONED OUTLAST AND OUT RANK MENTIONED OUTLAST AND OUT RANK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE BORDER THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE BORDER CZARS, DHS. CZARS, DHS. IT IS REMARKABLE. IT IS REMARKABLE. SOME PEOPLE SAY I WISH WE DIDN’T SOME PEOPLE SAY I WISH WE DIDN’T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS OR THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS OR THAT PERSON. PERSON. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT’S OUT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT’S OUT THERE, WHETHER YOU WANT TO THERE, WHETHER YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO MR. MILLER OR NOT. LISTEN TO MR. MILLER OR NOT. I SAY THAT AS A KIND OF I SAY THAT AS A KIND OF DISCLAIMER FOR SPRURPZ HERE HE DISCLAIMER FOR SPRURPZ HERE HE IS ON THE VERY ISSUE THAT HAS IS ON THE VERY ISSUE THAT HAS BECOME FRONT AND CENTER ABOUT BECOME FRONT AND CENTER ABOUT THE STATUE OF LIBERTY. THE STATUE OF LIBERTY. TAKE A LOOK. TAKE A LOOK.>>THE STATUE OF LIBERTY SAYS>>THE STATUE OF LIBERTY SAYS GIVE ME YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR, GIVE ME YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR, YOUR HUDDLED MASSES YEARNING TO YOUR HUDDLED MASSES YEARNING TO BE FREE. BE FREE. IT DOESN’T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT DOESN’T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SPEAKING ENGLISH OR BEING ABLE SPEAKING ENGLISH OR BEING ABLE TO BE A COMPUTER PROGRAM SNIR TO BE A COMPUTER PROGRAM SNIR THE POEM THAT YOU’RE REFERRING THE POEM THAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO WAS ADDED LATE SER NOT PART TO WAS ADDED LATE SER NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL STATUE OF OF THE ORIGINAL STATUE OF LIBERTY. LIBERTY. MORE FUNDAMENTALLY, MORE MORE FUNDAMENTALLY, MORE FUNDAMENTALLY. FUNDAMENTALLY.>>YOU’RE SAYING THAT DOES NOT>>YOU’RE SAYING THAT DOES NOT REPRESENT WHAT THE COUNTRY HAS REPRESENT WHAT THE COUNTRY HAS ALWAYS THOUGHT OF. ALWAYS THOUGHT OF.>>I’M SAYING THE NOTION.>>I’M SAYING THE NOTION.>>STEVEN, I’M SORRY.>>STEVEN, I’M SORRY. THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOME NATIONAL THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOME NATIONAL PARK REVISIONISM. PARK REVISIONISM.>>2017 AND THAT WAS SOMETHING>>2017 AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THEY BACKED OFF OF BECAUSE THEY THEY BACKED OFF OF BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T WANT TO GO TO WAR WITH DIDN’T WANT TO GO TO WAR WITH THE STATUE OF LIBERTY. THE STATUE OF LIBERTY. IS THIS NOW THE IN THE PLAYBOOK? IS THIS NOW THE IN THE PLAYBOOK? IS THIS NOT SOMETHING THEY’RE IS THIS NOT SOMETHING THEY’RE BACKING OFF? BACKING OFF? THIS IS FROM WHAT 2017 IS NOW THIS IS FROM WHAT 2017 IS NOW TOO EXTREME IS BEING NORMALIZED TOO EXTREME IS BEING NORMALIZED IN 2019. IN 2019.>>IS HE GOES ON TO SAY GIVE US>>IS HE GOES ON TO SAY GIVE US YOUR WRETCHED AND HOMELESS. YOUR WRETCHED AND HOMELESS. IT’S VERY HARD IN STEVEN MILL IT’S VERY HARD IN STEVEN MILL AREA’S IDEAL AMERICA TO IMAGINE AREA’S IDEAL AMERICA TO IMAGINE THIS WHITE HOUSE EMBRACING THE THIS WHITE HOUSE EMBRACING THE WRETCHED REFUSE AND THE HOMELESS WRETCHED REFUSE AND THE HOMELESS OF THE WORLD. OF THE WORLD. THEY HAVE NORMALIZED A LOT. THEY HAVE NORMALIZED A LOT. THIS IS THIS BATTLE GOING ON THIS IS THIS BATTLE GOING ON CONTINUALLY OVER THE WALL. CONTINUALLY OVER THE WALL. THEY HAVEN’T MANAGED TO BUILD THEY HAVEN’T MANAGED TO BUILD THE WALL. THE WALL. THEY ARE TRYING THROUGH OTHER THEY ARE TRYING THROUGH OTHER MEANS TO SATISFY THE BASE ON MEANS TO SATISFY THE BASE ON IMMIGRATION POLICY. IMMIGRATION POLICY. BUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT’S NEW HERE BUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT’S NEW HERE IS THIS IDEA OF TARGETING LEGAL IS THIS IDEA OF TARGETING LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. IMMIGRANTS. THAT IS STEVEN MILLER. THAT IS STEVEN MILLER. THAT’S SOMETHING HE HAS WANTED THAT’S SOMETHING HE HAS WANTED TO DO. TO DO. I’VE HEARD HIM SAY IT FROM THE I’VE HEARD HIM SAY IT FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS ADMINISTRATION BEGINNING OF THIS ADMINISTRATION AND NOW HE FEELS WITH THIS ORDER AND NOW HE FEELS WITH THIS ORDER HE CAN DO IT. HE CAN DO IT. IT WILLING BE CHALLENGED IN THE IT WILLING BE CHALLENGED IN THE COURTS. COURTS.>>YOU JUST PUT YOUR FINGER ON>>YOU JUST PUT YOUR FINGER ON IT, THEY HAVE SLOWLY BUT FINALLY IT, THEY HAVE SLOWLY BUT FINALLY MOVED FROM TALKING ABOUT THE MOVED FROM TALKING ABOUT THE UNDOCUMENTED WHERE THERE’S A UNDOCUMENTED WHERE THERE’S A LEGAL LINE TO ADMIT NO, THEY LEGAL LINE TO ADMIT NO, THEY DON’T LIKE, AND I SAY THIS IF DON’T LIKE, AND I SAY THIS IF YOU DON’T MIND, THEY DON’T WANT YOU DON’T MIND, THEY DON’T WANT CERTAIN PEOPLE HAVE YOUR STATUS, CERTAIN PEOPLE HAVE YOUR STATUS, WHO ARE JUST LEGALLY HERE WHO ARE JUST LEGALLY HERE PARTICIPATING IN OUR ECONOMY. PARTICIPATING IN OUR ECONOMY. WE LEARN FROM, WE LISTEN TO, WE LEARN FROM, WE LISTEN TO, PAYING TAXES. PAYING TAXES. NOW THEY’RE SAYING THE FACT THAT NOW THEY’RE SAYING THE FACT THAT YOU CAME HERE ITSELF SHOULD BE YOU CAME HERE ITSELF SHOULD BE TARGETED. TARGETED.>>YEAH, I HAVE FOUR AMERICAN>>YEAH, I HAVE FOUR AMERICAN KIDS, I HAVE AN AMERICAN BRITISH KIDS, I HAVE AN AMERICAN BRITISH HUSBAND. HUSBAND. I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT I I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT I WILL BE CHUCKED OUT BUT I’M VERY WILL BE CHUCKED OUT BUT I’M VERY CONSCIOUS OF THE FACT THAT CONSCIOUS OF THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WHO DON’T LOOK LIKE ME PEOPLE WHO DON’T LOOK LIKE ME WHO COME WITH MORE DIFFICULT WHO COME WITH MORE DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES THAN ME TO THIS CIRCUMSTANCES THAN ME TO THIS COUNTRY WHERE YOU HAVE ALWAYS COUNTRY WHERE YOU HAVE ALWAYS WELCOMED MIGRANTS IT HAS BEEN WELCOMED MIGRANTS IT HAS BEEN THE VALUE OF AMERICA, IT IS THE THE VALUE OF AMERICA, IT IS THE THING THAT DISTINGUISHES THIS THING THAT DISTINGUISHES THIS COUNTRY FROM OTHER COUNTRIES AND COUNTRY FROM OTHER COUNTRIES AND I FEAR THAT’S GOING. I FEAR THAT’S GOING.>>WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR
AND FIND ME ON SOCIAL MEDIA, FACEBOOK, TWITTER, SNAPCHAT, FACEBOOK, TWITTER, SNAPCHAT, INSTAGRAM. INSTAGRAM. “DEADLINE: WHITE HOUSE” WITH “DEADLINE: WHITE HOUSE” WITH NICOLLE WALLACE STARTS RIGHT NICOLLE WALLACE STARTS RIGHT NOW. NOW.>>>HI, EVERYONE.>>>HI, EVERYONE. IT’S 4:00 IN NEW YORK AND TODAY IT’S 4:00 IN NEW YORK AND TODAY IT’S OFFICIAL, HIS BRAND IS IT’S OFFICIAL, HIS BRAND IS RACISM. RACISM. AND ALL BUT FOUR REPUBLICANS AND ALL BUT FOUR REPUBLICANS SIGNED ON TO THE DECISION TO SIGNED ON TO THE DECISION TO ALIGN THEMSELVES WITH DONALD ALIGN THEMSELVES WITH DONALD TRUMP’S HATEFUL CREEDS WITH TRUMP’S HATEFUL CREEDS WITH COMMENTS AGAINST FOUR DEMOCRATS COMMENTS AGAINST FOUR DEMOCRATS TO CONDEMN THEIR ATTACKS ON TO CONDEMN THEIR ATTACKS ON THEM. THEM. QUOTE, WITH THREE DAYS OF QUOTE, WITH THREE DAYS OF ATTACKS ON FOUR LIBERAL MINORITY ATTACKS ON FOUR LIBERAL MINORITY FIRST-TERM CONGRESSWOMEN, FIRST-TERM CONGRESSWOMEN, PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE SENT THE REPUBLICANS HAVE SENT THE BIGGEST SIGN YET THAT 2020 WILL BIGGEST SIGN YET THAT 2020 WILL BE A RACIALLY DIVISIVE REPRISE BE A RACIALLY DIVISIVE REPRISE OF THE STRATEGY THAT MR. TRUMP OF THE STRATEGY THAT MR. TRUMP NARROWED CAPTURED THE WHITE NARROWED CAPTURED THE WHITE HOUSE IN 2016. HOUSE IN 2016. HE MIGHT BE THE ONLY PERSON IN HE MIGHT BE THE ONLY PERSON IN THE POLITICAL ARENA NOW AND EVER THE POLITICAL ARENA NOW AND EVER FOR WHOM A WEEK-LONG RACE FOR WHOM A WEEK-LONG RACE SCANDAL THAT ENDS IN A SCANDAL THAT ENDS IN A CONGRESSIONAL REBUKE IS BETTER CONGRESSIONAL REBUKE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER HEADLINES OUT THAN THE OTHER HEADLINES OUT THERE ABOUT HIM. THERE ABOUT HIM. HEADLINES LIKE THIS ONE ON HIS HEADLINES LIKE THIS ONE ON HIS CHUMMY RELATIONSHIP ACCUSED CHUMMY RELATIONSHIP ACCUSED CHILD SEX TRAFFICKER JEFFREY CHILD SEX TRAFFICKER JEFFREY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN. NBC ENURGED FOOTAGE OF DONALD NBC ENURGED FOOTAGE OF DONALD TRUMP WELCOMING EPSTEIN IN HIS TRUMP WELCOMING EPSTEIN IN HIS MAR-A-LAGO ESTATE IN 1992. MAR-A-LAGO ESTATE IN 1992. DONALD TRUMP KNEW THE CAMERAS DONALD TRUMP KNEW THE CAMERAS WERE THERE. WERE THERE. IN THE VIDEO HE MAKES A POINT TO IN THE VIDEO HE MAKES A POINT TO DRAW EPSTEIN’S ATTENTION TO DRAW EPSTEIN’S ATTENTION TO THEM. THEM. THE VIDEO CAPTURES DONALD TRUMP THE VIDEO CAPTURES DONALD TRUMP AND EPSTEIN CHATTING WHILE AND EPSTEIN CHATTING WHILE WATCHING A GROUP OF WOMEN AT THE WATCHING A GROUP OF WOMEN AT THE PARTY DANCE. PARTY DANCE. IT’S NOT AN IMAGE THAT MATCHES IT’S NOT AN IMAGE THAT MATCHES TRUMP’S DECLARATION THAT HE WAS TRUMP’S DECLARATION THAT HE WAS NOT A FAN OF EPSTEIN’S. NOT A FAN OF EPSTEIN’S. THE OTHER POTENTIAL DILEMMA FROM THE OTHER POTENTIAL DILEMMA FROM THE PRESIDENT, NEWS EARLIER THE PRESIDENT, NEWS EARLIER TODAY THAT THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE TODAY THAT THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE INVESTIGATION OUT OF THE INVESTIGATION OUT OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, THE ONE THAT HELPED SEND TRUMP’S THE ONE THAT HELPED SEND TRUMP’S ONE-TIME PERSONAL TORE MICHAEL ONE-TIME PERSONAL TORE MICHAEL COHEN TO JAIL IS DONE. COHEN TO JAIL IS DONE. YOU WILL RECALL COHEN’S YOU WILL RECALL COHEN’S SENTENCING DOCUMENTS FROM THAT SENTENCING DOCUMENTS FROM THAT INVESTIGATION THAT DESCRIBED INVESTIGATION THAT DESCRIBED DONALD TRUMP AS, QUOTE, DONALD TRUMP AS, QUOTE, INDIVIDUAL ONE AND IMPLICATED INDIVIDUAL ONE AND IMPLICATED HIM AS A CO-CONSPIRATOR IN AN HIM AS A CO-CONSPIRATOR IN AN ILLEGAL HUSH MONEY OPERATION. ILLEGAL HUSH MONEY OPERATION. A JUDGE IN THAT CASE ANNOUNCING A JUDGE IN THAT CASE ANNOUNCING TODAY THAT CRITICAL EVIDENCE TODAY THAT CRITICAL EVIDENCE WILL BE UNSEALED TOMORROW. WILL BE UNSEALED TOMORROW. EVIDENCE RELATED TO THE RAID OF EVIDENCE RELATED TO THE RAID OF COHEN’S HOME AND OFFICES LAST COHEN’S HOME AND OFFICES LAST YEAR THAT SO INFURIATED TRUMP, YEAR THAT SO INFURIATED TRUMP, HE WOULD DESCRIBE THEM AS AN HE WOULD DESCRIBE THEM AS AN ATTACK ON OUR COUNTRY. ATTACK ON OUR COUNTRY. IT’S EVIDENCE THE GOVERNMENT IT’S EVIDENCE THE GOVERNMENT WANTED KEPT UNDER SEAL BUT WANTED KEPT UNDER SEAL BUT DENIED IT SAYING, QUOTE, THE DENIED IT SAYING, QUOTE, THE WEIGHTY PUBLIC RAMIFICATIONS OF WEIGHTY PUBLIC RAMIFICATIONS OF THE CONDUCT DESCRIBED WARRANT THE CONDUCT DESCRIBED WARRANT DISCLOSURE, ADDING, QUOTE, THE DISCLOSURE, ADDING, QUOTE, THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS DISCUSSED IN THE MATERIALS ARE DISCUSSED IN THE MATERIALS ARE NOW A MATTER OF NATIONAL NOW A MATTER OF NATIONAL IMPORTANCE. IMPORTANCE. IT IS TIME EVERY AMERICAN HAS AN IT IS TIME EVERY AMERICAN HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SCRUTINIZE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SCRUTINIZE THE MATERIALS. MATERIALS. AND THAT IS WHERE WE START TODAY AND THAT IS WHERE WE START TODAY WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. JEREMY BASH IS THE FORMER CHIEF JEREMY BASH IS THE FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF AT THE CIA AND DEFENSE OF STAFF AT THE CIA AND DEFENSE DEPARTMENT. DEPARTMENT. FRANK FIGLIUZZI, FORMER FRANK FIGLIUZZI, FORMER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR COUNTERINTELLIGENCE AT THE FBI, COUNTERINTELLIGENCE AT THE FBI, PLUS FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR PLUS FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR GLENN KIRSCHNER IS HERE. GLENN KIRSCHNER IS HERE. “THE WASHINGTON POST” NATIONAL “THE WASHINGTON POST” NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER ROFTIA COSTA POLITICAL REPORTER ROFTIA COSTA IS BACK BE WITH US ON SET, THE IS BACK BE WITH US ON SET, THE HOST OF “SATURDAY NIGHT HOST OF “SATURDAY NIGHT POLITICS” HERE ON MSNBC DONNY POLITICS” HERE ON MSNBC DONNY DEUTSCHE. DEUTSCHE. FRANK FIGLIUZZI, I HAVE TO START FRANK FIGLIUZZI, I HAVE TO START WITH YOU. WITH YOU. WE’VE ALL HAD COUNTLESS WE’VE ALL HAD COUNTLESS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS SDNY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS SDNY CASE, WHAT THEY MIGHT BE DOING, CASE, WHAT THEY MIGHT BE DOING, WHAT THEY MIGHT BE BUILDING. WHAT THEY MIGHT BE BUILDING. AND WHEN EVERYONE CAME OUT AND AND WHEN EVERYONE CAME OUT AND TRIED TO ASSERT THERE WASN’T AN TRIED TO ASSERT THERE WASN’T AN UNDERLYING CRIME FOR ROBERT UNDERLYING CRIME FOR ROBERT MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION, YOU AND MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION, YOU AND JEREMY AND OTHERS POINTED BACK JEREMY AND OTHERS POINTED BACK TO THIS INVESTIGATION OUT OF TO THIS INVESTIGATION OUT OF SDNY WHERE DONALD TRUMP IS NAMED SDNY WHERE DONALD TRUMP IS NAMED AS AN UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR AS AN UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR IN THE COHEN SENTENCING IN THE COHEN SENTENCING DOCUMENTS. DOCUMENTS. TALK ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF TALK ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF TODAY’S DEVELOPMENT. TODAY’S DEVELOPMENT.>>WELL, IN CASE WE WITHNEEDED M>>WELL, IN CASE WE WITHNEEDED M DRAMIA ATTACHED TO THIS, WE HAVE DRAMIA ATTACHED TO THIS, WE HAVE A FEDERAL JUDGE SAYING THIS IS A FEDERAL JUDGE SAYING THIS IS OF NATIONAL IMPORTANCE. OF NATIONAL IMPORTANCE. LET’S LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY WHAT LET’S LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT. HE’S TALKING ABOUT. THE PROBABLE CAUSE THAT WENT THE PROBABLE CAUSE THAT WENT INTO THE AFFIDAVIT AND SEARCH OF INTO THE AFFIDAVIT AND SEARCH OF COHEN’S HOME AND OFFICES. COHEN’S HOME AND OFFICES. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHEN YOU WRITE THAT AFFIDAVIT WHEN YOU WRITE THAT AFFIDAVIT YOU’RE CONVINCING A JUDGE THAT YOU’RE CONVINCING A JUDGE THAT LOCATION OR THOSE MULTIPLE LOCATION OR THOSE MULTIPLE LOCATIONS ARE LIKELY TO CONTAIN LOCATIONS ARE LIKELY TO CONTAIN EVIDENCE OF THE CRIME THAT EVIDENCE OF THE CRIME THAT YOU’RE INVESTIGATING. YOU’RE INVESTIGATING. SO WHAT CAN WE FIND OUT WHEN SO WHAT CAN WE FIND OUT WHEN THIS MATERIAL IS RELEASED. THIS MATERIAL IS RELEASED. WE KNOW THERE WILL BE SOME WE KNOW THERE WILL BE SOME REDACTIONS. REDACTIONS. USUALLY THAT INVOLVES SOURCES USUALLY THAT INVOLVES SOURCES AND METHODS. AND METHODS. WHAT I WILL BE FOCUSING IN LIKE WHAT I WILL BE FOCUSING IN LIKE A LASER IS THE EVIDENCE OF WHO, A LASER IS THE EVIDENCE OF WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHEN AND WHY. WHAT, WHERE, WHEN AND WHY. WHO WAS IT DIRECTING THESE WHO WAS IT DIRECTING THESE VIOLATIONS, DIRECTING HUSH MONEY VIOLATIONS, DIRECTING HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS? PAYMENTS? HOW MUCH DID THE PRESIDENT KNOW HOW MUCH DID THE PRESIDENT KNOW AND WHEN? AND WHEN? AND REALLY WHAT ARE THE ORIGINS AND REALLY WHAT ARE THE ORIGINS OF ANY MONEY PA THAT CAME OUT OF OF ANY MONEY PA THAT CAME OUT OF THIS? THIS? WHAT ARE CONVERSATIONS LIKE IF WHAT ARE CONVERSATIONS LIKE IF THEY’RE TAPE RECORDED? THEY’RE TAPE RECORDED? ARE THERE FOREIGN CONNECTIONS TO ARE THERE FOREIGN CONNECTIONS TO THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS? THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS? THE WORLD IS OUR OYSTER TOMORROW THE WORLD IS OUR OYSTER TOMORROW AND IT’S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME. AND IT’S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME.>>LET ME JUST UNPACK SOME OF>>LET ME JUST UNPACK SOME OF THE THAT, FRANK. THE THAT, FRANK. THERE WAS SO MUCH GOOD THERE WAS SO MUCH GOOD INFORMATION THERE. INFORMATION THERE. AND LET’S SLOW THIS DOWN. AND LET’S SLOW THIS DOWN. THE WHO IS DONALD TRUMP. THE WHO IS DONALD TRUMP. WHO SIGNED THE WHAT, WHICH IS WHO SIGNED THE WHAT, WHICH IS THE CHECKS, FROM INSIDE THE OVAL THE CHECKS, FROM INSIDE THE OVAL OFFICE, RIGHT? OFFICE, RIGHT? WE SAW SOME OF THOSE CHECKS WE SAW SOME OF THOSE CHECKS REPRINTED IN “THE NEW YORK REPRINTED IN “THE NEW YORK TIMES.” TIMES.” AND THEY’VE BEEN REPORTED ON BY AND THEY’VE BEEN REPORTED ON BY OTHER NEWS ORGANIZATIONS. OTHER NEWS ORGANIZATIONS.>>WE SAW AT LEAST ONE WHILE HE>>WE SAW AT LEAST ONE WHILE HE WAS IN THE OVAL OFFICE HE WAS IN THE OVAL OFFICE HE SIGNED. SIGNED. NOW WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE NOW WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE OTHERS. OTHERS. BUT ALSO AS AN INVESTIGATOR, I BUT ALSO AS AN INVESTIGATOR, I WANT TO KNOW DID HE FULLY WANT TO KNOW DID HE FULLY DIRECT, UNDERSTAND, CONCUR WITH DIRECT, UNDERSTAND, CONCUR WITH THESE PAYMENTS EACH AND EVERY THESE PAYMENTS EACH AND EVERY TIME? TIME? DID HE UNDERSTAND THE LEVEL TO DID HE UNDERSTAND THE LEVEL TO WHICH THEY MIGHT POSE A WHICH THEY MIGHT POSE A VIOLATION OF LAW? VIOLATION OF LAW? THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO COME THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO COME OUT IF I THINK THIS IS WHERE THE OUT IF I THINK THIS IS WHERE THE JUDGE IS GOING. JUDGE IS GOING. WHEN HE SAYS THERE’S NATIONAL WHEN HE SAYS THERE’S NATIONAL IMPORTANCE TO RELEASING THIS IMPORTANCE TO RELEASING THIS MATERIAL, THAT WE NEED TO SEE MATERIAL, THAT WE NEED TO SEE IT, WE NEED TO KNOW, THAT’S WHAT IT, WE NEED TO KNOW, THAT’S WHAT I’M THINKING WE’RE GOING TO SEE, I’M THINKING WE’RE GOING TO SEE, CONNECTIONS TO THIS PRESIDENT CONNECTIONS TO THIS PRESIDENT AND POSSIBLY EVEN FROM THE MONEY AND POSSIBLY EVEN FROM THE MONEY COMING FROM SOME FOREIGN ENTITY COMING FROM SOME FOREIGN ENTITY THAT ACTUALLY IS SUPPORTING THE THAT ACTUALLY IS SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT.>>GLENN KIRSCHNER, YOUR>>GLENN KIRSCHNER, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THESE DEVELOPMENTS THOUGHTS ON THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND WHAT WE MIGHT EXPECT AND WHAT WE MIGHT EXPECT TOMORROW. TOMORROW.>>NICOLLE, I WENT BACK TO THE>>NICOLLE, I WENT BACK TO THE JUDGE’S ORDERS OF TODAY TO SEE JUDGE’S ORDERS OF TODAY TO SEE PRECISELY WHAT IT WAS THE PRECISELY WHAT IT WAS THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK PROSECUTORS REPRESENTED TO HIM PROSECUTORS REPRESENTED TO HIM ON THIS ISSUE OF WHETHER THESE ON THIS ISSUE OF WHETHER THESE MATERIALS SHOULD BE UNSEALED OR MATERIALS SHOULD BE UNSEALED OR REMAIN SEALED. REMAIN SEALED. HERE’S WHAT HE SAID THAT REALLY HERE’S WHAT HE SAID THAT REALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. HE SAID, THE GOVERNMENT NOW HE SAID, THE GOVERNMENT NOW REPRESENTS THAT IT HAS CONCLUDED REPRESENTS THAT IT HAS CONCLUDED THE ASPECTS OF ITS INVESTIGATION THE ASPECTS OF ITS INVESTIGATION THAT JUSTIFIES THE CONTINUED THAT JUSTIFIES THE CONTINUED SEALING OF THE PORTIONS OF THE SEALING OF THE PORTIONS OF THE MATERIALS RELATELING TO COHEN’S MATERIALS RELATELING TO COHEN’S CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS. CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS. NOW, I THINK EVERYBODY READS NOW, I THINK EVERYBODY READS THAT AND HEARS THAT BECAUSE THE THAT AND HEARS THAT BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATION IS CONCLUDED, INVESTIGATION IS CONCLUDED, THERE WILL NEVER BE FUTURE THERE WILL NEVER BE FUTURE CHARGES BROUGHT. CHARGES BROUGHT. I THINK WE NEED TO PULL THOSE I THINK WE NEED TO PULL THOSE TWO THINGS APART. TWO THINGS APART. MIND YOU, I’M NOT SAYING THIS IS MIND YOU, I’M NOT SAYING THIS IS AN INDICATION THAT THERE WILL BE AN INDICATION THAT THERE WILL BE CHARGES BROUGHT BUT HERE’S WHAT CHARGES BROUGHT BUT HERE’S WHAT I CAN TELL YOU, NICOLLE, WHEN I CAN TELL YOU, NICOLLE, WHEN PROSECUTORS LOOK AT A CASE THAT PROSECUTORS LOOK AT A CASE THAT POTENTIALLY INVOLVES MULTIPLE POTENTIALLY INVOLVES MULTIPLE CONSPIRATORS, WE HAVE ONE CONSPIRATORS, WE HAVE ONE OVERARCHING GOAL. OVERARCHING GOAL. WE WANT TO TRY TO BRING A CASE WE WANT TO TRY TO BRING A CASE THAT CHARGES ALL OF THOSE THAT CHARGES ALL OF THOSE CONSPIRATORS IN ONE CASE TO BE CONSPIRATORS IN ONE CASE TO BE TRIED IN ONE TRIAL. TRIED IN ONE TRIAL. WHY? WHY? BECAUSE YOU DON’T WANT TO BREAK BECAUSE YOU DON’T WANT TO BREAK IT UP, TRY TWO, THREE IT UP, TRY TWO, THREE CO-CONSPIRATORS WHILE THE OTHERS CO-CONSPIRATORS WHILE THE OTHERS WAIT IN THE WINGS AND GET A WAIT IN THE WINGS AND GET A COMPLETE PREVIEW OF YOUR CASE COMPLETE PREVIEW OF YOUR CASE AND YOUR EVIDENCE DURING THE AND YOUR EVIDENCE DURING THE FIRST TRIAL. FIRST TRIAL. SO WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT MICHAEL SO WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT MICHAEL COHEN IS GUILTY OF CAMPAIGN COHEN IS GUILTY OF CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS. FINANCE VIOLATIONS. HE DID IT AT THE URGING AND WITH HE DID IT AT THE URGING AND WITH THE ASSISTANCE AND FOR THE THE ASSISTANCE AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF DONALD TRUMP. BENEFIT OF DONALD TRUMP. WE HAVE SOME INDICATION THERE WE HAVE SOME INDICATION THERE MAY BE EXPOSURE BY DON JR. AND MAY BE EXPOSURE BY DON JR. AND ALLEN WIESEL BERG ON THE MONEY ALLEN WIESEL BERG ON THE MONEY SIDE AND CHECK-WRITING SIDE. SIDE AND CHECK-WRITING SIDE. LET ME HYPOTHETICALLY COMPOSE IF LET ME HYPOTHETICALLY COMPOSE IF THERE’S A CONSPIRACY WITH ALL THERE’S A CONSPIRACY WITH ALL FOUR OF THESE PEOPLE AND WE KNOW FOUR OF THESE PEOPLE AND WE KNOW THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT CANNOT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT CANNOT CHARGE THE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW CHARGE THE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE OFFICE OF LEGAL BECAUSE THE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL MEMO SAYS YOU CAN’T COUNSEL MEMO SAYS YOU CAN’T INDICT A SITTING PRESIDENT, THEN INDICT A SITTING PRESIDENT, THEN IT COULD BE THE SOUTHERN IT COULD BE THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK HAS AN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK HAS AN INTEREST IN BRINGING ONE UNIFIED INTEREST IN BRINGING ONE UNIFIED CONSPIRACY CASE AGAINST ALL FOUR CONSPIRACY CASE AGAINST ALL FOUR POSSIBLE CO-CONSPIRATORS THE DAY POSSIBLE CO-CONSPIRATORS THE DAY PRESIDENT TRUMP LEAVES OFFICE. PRESIDENT TRUMP LEAVES OFFICE. I’M NOT SAYING THAT’S GOING TO I’M NOT SAYING THAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN. HAPPEN. I’M SAYING I DON’T THINK WE CAN I’M SAYING I DON’T THINK WE CAN JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION BASED ON JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION BASED ON JUDGE PAULEY’S ORDER TODAY THERE JUDGE PAULEY’S ORDER TODAY THERE WILL NEVER BE CHARGES BROUGHT. WILL NEVER BE CHARGES BROUGHT.>>JEREMY BASH, LET ME JUST PLAY>>JEREMY BASH, LET ME JUST PLAY ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAS ESSENTIALLY PLEADED GUILTY TO ESSENTIALLY PLEADED GUILTY TO HIS ROLE IN THIS CONSPIRACY HIS ROLE IN THIS CONSPIRACY TESTIFYING TO THE ROLE AND TESTIFYING TO THE ROLE AND PARTICIPATION OF SOME OF THE PARTICIPATION OF SOME OF THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS JUST NOW NAMED OTHER INDIVIDUALS JUST NOW NAMED BY GLENN KIRSCHNER. BY GLENN KIRSCHNER. LET’S LISTEN TO MICHAEL COHEN. LET’S LISTEN TO MICHAEL COHEN.>>THIS $35,000 CHECK WAS ONE OF>>THIS $35,000 CHECK WAS ONE OF 11 CHECK I STALLMENTSNSTALLMENTS 11 CHECK I STALLMENTSNSTALLMENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHILE HE WAS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. OTHER CHECKS TO REIMBURSE ME FOR OTHER CHECKS TO REIMBURSE ME FOR THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS WERE THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS WERE SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP JR. AND SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP JR. AND ALLEN WEISSELBERG. ALLEN WEISSELBERG. SEE FOR THAT EXAMPLE 5B. SEE FOR THAT EXAMPLE 5B. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THUS WROTE A PERSONAL STATES THUS WROTE A PERSONAL CHECK FOR THE PAYMENT OF HUSH CHECK FOR THE PAYMENT OF HUSH MONEY AS PART OF A CRIMINAL MONEY AS PART OF A CRIMINAL SCHEME TO VIOLATE CAMPAIGN SCHEME TO VIOLATE CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS. FINANCE LAWS.>>JEREMY?>>JEREMY?>>NICOLLE, I THINK WHAT’S>>NICOLLE, I THINK WHAT’S IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT WHEN THE IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT WHEN THE JUDGE GRANTS THE AUTHORITY SFT JUDGE GRANTS THE AUTHORITY SFT PROSECUTORS AND FEDERAL PROSECUTORS AND FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS ACCESS TO DONALD INVESTIGATORS ACCESS TO DONALD TRUMP’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY, THEY TRUMP’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY, THEY HAD TO SATISFY THEMSELVES THAT HAD TO SATISFY THEMSELVES THAT THAT MATERIAL WOULD NOT BE THAT MATERIAL WOULD NOT BE PROTECTED BY THE ATTORNEY/CLIENT PROTECTED BY THE ATTORNEY/CLIENT PRIVILEGE. PRIVILEGE. THEY HAD TO SATISFY THEMSELVES THEY HAD TO SATISFY THEMSELVES THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS IN THE THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS IN THE CUSTODY OF MICHAEL COHEN, HIS CUSTODY OF MICHAEL COHEN, HIS PLACE OF RESIDENCE, HIS OFFICE, PLACE OF RESIDENCE, HIS OFFICE, WAS SO IMPORTANT TO GET AT THE WAS SO IMPORTANT TO GET AT THE UNDERLYING CRIMINAL CASE AND UNDERLYING CRIMINAL CASE AND CLEARLY THE JUDGE SATISFIED CLEARLY THE JUDGE SATISFIED HIMSELF IN THAT MANNER. HIMSELF IN THAT MANNER. AND NOW WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS AND NOW WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS THAT ASPECT, THAT JUSTIFICATION THAT ASPECT, THAT JUSTIFICATION IS COMPLETE, AND NOW THE IS COMPLETE, AND NOW THE INFORMATION CAN BE REVEALED INFORMATION CAN BE REVEALED PUBLICLY. PUBLICLY. I EXPECT WHAT THAT LIKELY MEANS I EXPECT WHAT THAT LIKELY MEANS IS THAT THE INITIAL INFORMATION IS THAT THE INITIAL INFORMATION THAT FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS AND THAT FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS AND PROSECUTORS PUT FORWARD WAS A PROSECUTORS PUT FORWARD WAS A CLEAR TIE BETWEEN MICHAEL COHEN CLEAR TIE BETWEEN MICHAEL COHEN AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND THAT BEARS ON THE STATES, AND THAT BEARS ON THE PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PRESIDENT’S ILLEGAL EXPOSURE. PRESIDENT’S ILLEGAL EXPOSURE. IT BEARS ON ISSUES THAT CONGRESS IT BEARS ON ISSUES THAT CONGRESS MIGHT CONSIDER IN ANALYZING HIGH MIGHT CONSIDER IN ANALYZING HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS. CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS. IT COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY MEAN IT COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY MEAN ASPECTS OF WHETHER OR NOT THE ASPECTS OF WHETHER OR NOT THE PRESIDENT COULD BE CHARGED IN PRESIDENT COULD BE CHARGED IN THE FUTURE AND WHETHER OR NOT THE FUTURE AND WHETHER OR NOT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT RELIED ON THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT RELIED ON EXISTING JUSTICE DEPARTMENT EXISTING JUSTICE DEPARTMENT POLICY. POLICY. BUT I THINK IT’S A VERY BUT I THINK IT’S A VERY SIGNIFICANT STECH,P AND TOMORROW SIGNIFICANT STECH,P AND TOMORROW WILL KNOW A LOT MORE. WILL KNOW A LOT MORE.>>ROBERT COSTA, PEOPLE CLOSE TO>>ROBERT COSTA, PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT ALWAYS DESCRIBE THE PRESIDENT ALWAYS DESCRIBE THE ANXIETY AROUND SDNY AND THE ANXIETY AROUND SDNY AND MICHAEL COHEN AND THESE RAIDS AS MICHAEL COHEN AND THESE RAIDS AS A FAR GRAVER EMBARRASSMENT TO A FAR GRAVER EMBARRASSMENT TO DONALD TRUMP IN TERMS OF DONALD TRUMP IN TERMS OF REVEALING SOME OF HIS LEAST REVEALING SOME OF HIS LEAST ELEGANT PERSONAL CONDUCT IF YOU ELEGANT PERSONAL CONDUCT IF YOU WILL AND FAR GREATER LEGAL RISK WILL AND FAR GREATER LEGAL RISK TO THE PRESIDENT IN TERMS OF HIS TO THE PRESIDENT IN TERMS OF HIS ROLE HERE AS UNINDICTED ROLE HERE AS UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR IN THE HUSH MONEY CO-CONSPIRATOR IN THE HUSH MONEY SCHEME. SCHEME. AND IF SOME SORT OF CONSPIRACY AND IF SOME SORT OF CONSPIRACY IS CHARGED WHEN HE LEAVES THE IS CHARGED WHEN HE LEAVES THE OFFICE. OFFICE. YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS TODAY. YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS TODAY.>>IT DOES LOOM OVER HIM IN>>IT DOES LOOM OVER HIM IN TERMS OF SOMETHING THAT CAN COME TERMS OF SOMETHING THAT CAN COME DOWN THE HORIZON. DOWN THE HORIZON. BUT WHEN YOU TALK TO WHITE HOUSE BUT WHEN YOU TALK TO WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS AND TRUMP POLITICAL OFFICIALS AND TRUMP POLITICAL ADVISERS, THEY SAY THIS IS ADVISERS, THEY SAY THIS IS PERHAPS 10 TO 20 ITEMS ON THE PERHAPS 10 TO 20 ITEMS ON THE LIST CONGRESS AND HOUSE LIST CONGRESS AND HOUSE DEMOCRATS ARE LOOKING OVER IN DEMOCRATS ARE LOOKING OVER IN TERMS OF THE PRESIDENT’S CONDUCT TERMS OF THE PRESIDENT’S CONDUCT THAT COULD BE USED TO BRING THAT COULD BE USED TO BRING IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS AGAINST IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS AGAINST HIM IN THE COMING MONTHS. HIM IN THE COMING MONTHS. AND THEY ALSO BELIEVE A JUSTICE AND THEY ALSO BELIEVE A JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY WITH DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY WITH ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BARR AT ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BARR AT THE HELM, IS NOT GOING TO IN ANY THE HELM, IS NOT GOING TO IN ANY WAY GO AGAINST THE OFFICE OF WAY GO AGAINST THE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL GUIDELINES. LEGAL COUNSEL GUIDELINES. SO THEY FEEL IT IS A THREAT SO THEY FEEL IT IS A THREAT POTENTIALLY BUT THEY ARE POTENTIALLY BUT THEY ARE INSULATED POLITICALLY. INSULATED POLITICALLY.>>THEY’RE INSULATED LEGALLY>>THEY’RE INSULATED LEGALLY LIKELY AS WELL, AS ROBERT COSTA LIKELY AS WELL, AS ROBERT COSTA IS EXACTLY RIGHT. IS EXACTLY RIGHT. BUT WHAT SO ENRAGED THE BUT WHAT SO ENRAGED THE PRESIDENT, I REMEMBER WHETHER PRESIDENT, I REMEMBER WHETHER THE RAIDS HAPPENED, HE WAS AT A THE RAIDS HAPPENED, HE WAS AT A NATIONAL SECURITY MEETING SITE. NATIONAL SECURITY MEETING SITE. I BELIEVE THERE WERE GENERALS IN I BELIEVE THERE WERE GENERALS IN THE ROOSEVELT ROOM OR CABINET THE ROOSEVELT ROOM OR CABINET ROOM AND DESCRIBED IT AS AN ROOM AND DESCRIBED IT AS AN ATTACK ON OUR NATION. ATTACK ON OUR NATION. WE DON’T NEED TO GUESS HOW THE WE DON’T NEED TO GUESS HOW THE PRESIDENT FEELS ABOUT THE COHEN PRESIDENT FEELS ABOUT THE COHEN INVESTIGATION, COHEN PROSECUTION INVESTIGATION, COHEN PROSECUTION AND THIS EVIDENCE. AND THIS EVIDENCE.>>LET’S WRAP IT UP INTO>>LET’S WRAP IT UP INTO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIGGER AND SOMETHING A LITTLE BIGGER AND BRING BILL BARR INTO THIS. BRING BILL BARR INTO THIS. RIGHT BEFORE HE WAS APPOINTED, RIGHT BEFORE HE WAS APPOINTED, THE SDNY WAS ALREADY LOOKING THE SDNY WAS ALREADY LOOKING INTO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. INTO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. THERE WERE MEETINGS ABOUT TO BE THERE WERE MEETINGS ABOUT TO BE SET UP WITH THE TRUMP AND SET UP WITH THE TRUMP AND SUDDENLY THE MEETINGS NEVER SUDDENLY THE MEETINGS NEVER HAPPENED. HAPPENED. ONCE BARR CAME IN, NOTHING WENT ONCE BARR CAME IN, NOTHING WENT FORWARD. FORWARD. BILL BARR HAS TO ANSWER TO THAT. BILL BARR HAS TO ANSWER TO THAT.>>TO WHOM?>>TO WHOM?>>THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.>>THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.>>HE’S ABOUT TO BE HELD IN>>HE’S ABOUT TO BE HELD IN CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS. CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS. HE ANSWERS FOR A PRESIDENT. HE ANSWERS FOR A PRESIDENT. TO WHOM? TO WHOM?>>THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION.>>THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION. BUT THE REALITY IS RIGHT NOW AS BUT THE REALITY IS RIGHT NOW AS LONG AS BILL BAR IS IN THAT LONG AS BILL BAR IS IN THAT SEAT, IT’S LIMITED WHAT WE CAN SEAT, IT’S LIMITED WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH. ACCOMPLISH. MY FRIEND IS SITTING IN JAIL FOR MY FRIEND IS SITTING IN JAIL FOR A CRIME HE COMMITTED ON THE A CRIME HE COMMITTED ON THE DIRECTION AND BENEFIT OF THE DIRECTION AND BENEFIT OF THE PRESIDENT AND HOPEFULLY ONE DAY PRESIDENT AND HOPEFULLY ONE DAY THE PRESIDENT WILL HAVE TO THE PRESIDENT WILL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THAT. ANSWER FOR THAT. BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A HEAD OF BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A HEAD OF THE DOJ, APPOINTED BY THE THE DOJ, APPOINTED BY THE PRESIDENT, HIS IN-HOUSE PRESIDENT, HIS IN-HOUSE ATTORNEY, WHO BASICALLY WILL ATTORNEY, WHO BASICALLY WILL CONTINUE TO RUN INTERFERENCE FOR CONTINUE TO RUN INTERFERENCE FOR ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THE ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. TRUMP ORGANIZATION.>>IT’S MORE THAN INTERFERENCE.>>IT’S MORE THAN INTERFERENCE. HE’S INVESTIGATING THE CIA. HE’S INVESTIGATING THE CIA.>>LET ME ASK ONE MORE QUESTION,>>LET ME ASK ONE MORE QUESTION, WHERE IS WEISSELBERG? WHERE IS WEISSELBERG? WHY IS IT HE DOESN’T FALL UNDER WHY IS IT HE DOESN’T FALL UNDER EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE? EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE? WHY ISN’T WEISSELBERG BEING WHY ISN’T WEISSELBERG BEING CALLED TO CONGRESS TO ASK ABOUT CALLED TO CONGRESS TO ASK ABOUT OTHER THINGS? OTHER THINGS? THIS CAN’T STOP HERE. THIS CAN’T STOP HERE.>>YOU’RE ALL GETTING A>>YOU’RE ALL GETTING A DOUBLEHEADER. DOUBLEHEADER. I WANT ALL OF YOUR THOUGHTS ON I WANT ALL OF YOUR THOUGHTS ON BARR AND ISSUES DONNY RAISES. BARR AND ISSUES DONNY RAISES. BUT I WANT TO PUT OUT THESE TWO BUT I WANT TO PUT OUT THESE TWO OTHER TOXIC NARRATIVES THAT OTHER TOXIC NARRATIVES THAT COULD MAKE A PLAY ON RACISM MAKE COULD MAKE A PLAY ON RACISM MAKE SENSE FOR DONALD TRUMP. SENSE FOR DONALD TRUMP. JEFFREY EPSTEIN SEEN RUBBING JEFFREY EPSTEIN SEEN RUBBING SHOULDERS WITH DONALD TRUMP SHOULDERS WITH DONALD TRUMP WHILE GIRLS ARE DANCING AT WHILE GIRLS ARE DANCING AT MAR-A-LAGO. MAR-A-LAGO. OUR COLLEAGUE MIKA BRZEZINSKI OUR COLLEAGUE MIKA BRZEZINSKI NARRATED SOME OF THAT. NARRATED SOME OF THAT. I THINK WE HAVE THAT. I THINK WE HAVE THAT. LET’S WATCH. LET’S WATCH.>>TRUMP IS SURROUNDED BY WOMEN>>TRUMP IS SURROUNDED BY WOMEN AS MUSIC BURGLARIES IN THELAIRS AS MUSIC BURGLARIES IN THELAIRS BACKGROUND. BACKGROUND. THEN HE MEETS GUESTS, AMONG THEM THEN HE MEETS GUESTS, AMONG THEM FINANCIER JEFFREY EPSTEIN, MORE FINANCIER JEFFREY EPSTEIN, MORE THAN A DECADE BEFORE THE GUILTY THAN A DECADE BEFORE THE GUILTY PLEA. PLEA. AND THEN TRUMP IS TALKING TO AND THEN TRUMP IS TALKING TO EPSTEIN AND ANOTHER MAN AS WOMEN EPSTEIN AND ANOTHER MAN AS WOMEN ARE DANCING IN FRONT OF HIM. ARE DANCING IN FRONT OF HIM. TRUMP GOES BETWEEN DANCING AND TRUMP GOES BETWEEN DANCING AND POINTING TO WOMEN AND TELLING POINTING TO WOMEN AND TELLING EPSTEIN ABOUT THE CAMERAS. EPSTEIN ABOUT THE CAMERAS. THOUGH EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAY, THOUGH EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAY, IT’S DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND AS IT’S DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND AS THEY DISCUSS THE WOMEN AND THEIR THEY DISCUSS THE WOMEN AND THEIR APPEARANCES. APPEARANCES. TRUMP GESTURES TO ONE AND TRUMP GESTURES TO ONE AND APPEARS TO SAY TO EPSTEIN, LOOK APPEARS TO SAY TO EPSTEIN, LOOK AT HER BACK THERE. AT HER BACK THERE. SHE’S HOT. SHE’S HOT. AND THEN TRUMP SAYS SOMETHING AND THEN TRUMP SAYS SOMETHING ELSE INTO EPSTEIN’S EAR THAT ELSE INTO EPSTEIN’S EAR THAT MAKES HIM DOUBLE OVER WITH MAKES HIM DOUBLE OVER WITH LAUGHTER. LAUGHTER.>>ROBERT COSTA, YOU WERE THE>>ROBERT COSTA, YOU WERE THE ONE WHO STOPPED ME IN MY TRACKS ONE WHO STOPPED ME IN MY TRACKS WHEN YOU SAID ON THIS SHOW ABOUT WHEN YOU SAID ON THIS SHOW ABOUT A WEEK AGO THAT EVERY JOURNALIST A WEEK AGO THAT EVERY JOURNALIST WHO COVERS THIS WHITE HOUSE HAS WHO COVERS THIS WHITE HOUSE HAS TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT TRUMP’S KNOWLEDGE WAS OF THE TRUMP’S KNOWLEDGE WAS OF THE NATURE OF EPSTEIN’S CONDUCT AND NATURE OF EPSTEIN’S CONDUCT AND WHEN THEY BECAME — WHEN HE WHEN THEY BECAME — WHEN HE BECAME AWARE OF WHAT IS CLEARLY BECAME AWARE OF WHAT IS CLEARLY NOW CRIMINALITY AND REAL SEXUAL NOW CRIMINALITY AND REAL SEXUAL DEVIANCE. DEVIANCE. WHAT DO YOU THINK WHEN YOU SEE WHAT DO YOU THINK WHEN YOU SEE THAT TAPE? THAT TAPE? DO YOU THINK ANYONE AT THE WHITE DO YOU THINK ANYONE AT THE WHITE HOUSE IS CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE HOUSE IS CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE IMAGES? IMAGES?>>THEY ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE>>THEY ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE IT’S A RELATIONSHIP THE IT’S A RELATIONSHIP THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT WANT TO TALK PRESIDENT DOES NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT AT ALL PUBLICLY OR ABOUT AT ALL PUBLICLY OR PRIVATELY. PRIVATELY. WHENEVER HE’S ASKED ABOUT IT, IN WHENEVER HE’S ASKED ABOUT IT, IN EITHER CIRCUMSTANCE, MY SOURCES EITHER CIRCUMSTANCE, MY SOURCES SAY HE DISMISSES IT AND SAYS HE SAY HE DISMISSES IT AND SAYS HE HAD A FALLING OUT WITH EPSTEIN HAD A FALLING OUT WITH EPSTEIN AND LEAVES IT AT THAT. AND LEAVES IT AT THAT. BUT THE FOOTAGE REVEALS DID HE BUT THE FOOTAGE REVEALS DID HE HAVE SOME KIND OF RELATIONSHIP HAVE SOME KIND OF RELATIONSHIP WITHIN THE CULTURE OF PALM BEACH WITHIN THE CULTURE OF PALM BEACH BACK IN 1992 AND THROUGHOUT THE BACK IN 1992 AND THROUGHOUT THE MID-AND EARLY 1990s. MID-AND EARLY 1990s. THERE ARE JUST SO MANY QUESTIONS THERE ARE JUST SO MANY QUESTIONS THAT HANG OUT THERE THAT WHY WAS THAT HANG OUT THERE THAT WHY WAS HE STEEP AT MAR-A-LAGO. HE STEEP AT MAR-A-LAGO. WHAT WAS THE EXTENT OF THE WHAT WAS THE EXTENT OF THE RELATIONSHIP? RELATIONSHIP? AND AS REPORTERS ALWAYS SAY, ARE AND AS REPORTERS ALWAYS SAY, ARE THERE OTHER DOCUMENTS? THERE OTHER DOCUMENTS? THIS VIDEO TELLS US A LITTLE THIS VIDEO TELLS US A LITTLE BIT. BIT. WHAT WAS THE EXTENT OF THIS WHAT WAS THE EXTENT OF THIS FINANCIAL RELATIONSHIP THAT FELL FINANCIAL RELATIONSHIP THAT FELL APART ABOUT A DECADE AGO APART ABOUT A DECADE AGO ACCORDING TO THE PRESIDENT? ACCORDING TO THE PRESIDENT? IT WAS A BIG REPORTING TARGET. IT WAS A BIG REPORTING TARGET. EVERYBODY IS WORKING HARD WHO’S EVERYBODY IS WORKING HARD WHO’S A NONPARTISAN REPORTER TRYING TO A NONPARTISAN REPORTER TRYING TO FIND THE FACTS. FIND THE FACTS. BUT A LOT OF FACTS STILL REMAIN BUT A LOT OF FACTS STILL REMAIN TO BE UNCOVERED. TO BE UNCOVERED.>>AND I THINK THAT PURSUIT OF>>AND I THINK THAT PURSUIT OF THE TRUTH, AS BOB’S COLLEAGUE THE TRUTH, AS BOB’S COLLEAGUE BOB WOODWARD SAYS, THE TRUTH BOB WOODWARD SAYS, THE TRUTH WILL EMERGE ABOUT THE NATURE OF WILL EMERGE ABOUT THE NATURE OF THAT RELATIONSHIP. THAT RELATIONSHIP.>>I THINK BOB AND ALL OF HIS>>I THINK BOB AND ALL OF HIS COLLEAGUES EVERY DAY FROM HERE COLLEAGUES EVERY DAY FROM HERE TO 2020, EVERY PRESSER, I DON’T TO 2020, EVERY PRESSER, I DON’T CARE WHAT IT’S ABOUT, IT’S NOT CARE WHAT IT’S ABOUT, IT’S NOT GOOD ENOUGH WHEN HE SAYS I BROKE GOOD ENOUGH WHEN HE SAYS I BROKE OFF MY RELATIONSHIP. OFF MY RELATIONSHIP. BY THE WAY, THIS WAS A MAN WHO BY THE WAY, THIS WAS A MAN WHO SAID I WAS FRIENDS WITH HIM FOR SAID I WAS FRIENDS WITH HIM FOR 15 YEARS. 15 YEARS.>>LET’S PUT IT UP.>>LET’S PUT IT UP. QUOTE, HE’S A LOT OF FUN TO BE QUOTE, HE’S A LOT OF FUN TO BE WITH. WITH. IT’S EVEN SAID HE LIKES IT’S EVEN SAID HE LIKES BEAUTIFUL WOMEN AS MUCH AS I DO. BEAUTIFUL WOMEN AS MUCH AS I DO. AND MANY OF THEM ARE ON THE AND MANY OF THEM ARE ON THE YOUNGER SIDE. YOUNGER SIDE. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, JEFFREY NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, JEFFREY ENJOYS THE SOCIAL LIFE. ENJOYS THE SOCIAL LIFE. EVEN THAT TO BOB COSTA’S POINT, EVEN THAT TO BOB COSTA’S POINT, 2002, TRUMP HAD KNOWLEDGE THAT 2002, TRUMP HAD KNOWLEDGE THAT EPSTEIN LIKED WOMEN WHO WERE, EPSTEIN LIKED WOMEN WHO WERE, QUOTE, ON THE YOUNGER SIDE. QUOTE, ON THE YOUNGER SIDE.>>HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU SEE>>HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU SEE HIM? HIM? WAS IT ONE? WAS IT ONE? WAS IT 100? WAS IT 100? WAS HE AT YOUR HOUSE? WAS HE AT YOUR HOUSE? MAKE HIM LIE. MAKE HIM LIE. I CAN TELL YOU ONE THING RIGHT I CAN TELL YOU ONE THING RIGHT NOW AS WE’RE SITTING HERE, MR. NOW AS WE’RE SITTING HERE, MR. EPSTEIN IS IN A LITTLE BOX EPSTEIN IS IN A LITTLE BOX SOMEWHERE SITTING, AND JOYCE SOMEWHERE SITTING, AND JOYCE VANCE TWEETED ABOUT THIS, WITH VANCE TWEETED ABOUT THIS, WITH THE SDNY AND THEY ARE SAYING WE THE SDNY AND THEY ARE SAYING WE WANT A COMPLETE OPERATION WANT A COMPLETE OPERATION AGREEMENT. AGREEMENT. ANYTHING YOU KNOW DID EVERYTHING ANYTHING YOU KNOW DID EVERYTHING ILLEGAL. ILLEGAL. THERE ARE A LOT OF POWERFUL MEN THERE ARE A LOT OF POWERFUL MEN I THINK HAVING SLEEPNESSLESS RIG I THINK HAVING SLEEPNESSLESS RIG BUT LET HIM GET ANGRY AND STOMP BUT LET HIM GET ANGRY AND STOMP OUT, WHATEVER. OUT, WHATEVER. KEEP PUTTING HIM AGAINST THE KEEP PUTTING HIM AGAINST THE WALL ON THIS. WALL ON THIS. BASED ON THAT ALONE, WE’RE NOT BASED ON THAT ALONE, WE’RE NOT ACCUSING MR. TRUMP OF EVERYTHING ACCUSING MR. TRUMP OF EVERYTHING BUT HIS ANSWER OF I BROKE OFF MY BUT HIS ANSWER OF I BROKE OFF MY FRIENDSHIP WITH HIM WAS NOT GOOD FRIENDSHIP WITH HIM WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. ENOUGH. WHAT WAS THAT FRIENDSHIP? WHAT WAS THAT FRIENDSHIP?>>FRANK FIGLIUZZI, YOU AGREE>>FRANK FIGLIUZZI, YOU AGREE WITH THAT? WITH THAT?>>OH, YEAH.>>OH, YEAH. HERE’S WHY PEOPLE ARE SWEATING HERE’S WHY PEOPLE ARE SWEATING THE ELECTRONIC DEVICE FORENSICS THE ELECTRONIC DEVICE FORENSICS THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW COMING OUT OF THE MOST RECENT COMING OUT OF THE MOST RECENT SEARCH OF EPSTEIN’S HOUSE IN NEW SEARCH OF EPSTEIN’S HOUSE IN NEW YORK AND PALM BEACH ARE GOING TO YORK AND PALM BEACH ARE GOING TO BE SCARY. BE SCARY. THEY’RE GOING TO FIND EVIDENCE THEY’RE GOING TO FIND EVIDENCE AND IT MIGHT BE OLD, IT MIGHT BE AND IT MIGHT BE OLD, IT MIGHT BE MORE CURRENT. MORE CURRENT. BUT THEY WILL FIND EVIDENCE BUT THEY WILL FIND EVIDENCE OTHERS WERE INVOLVED AND THE OTHERS WERE INVOLVED AND THE FULLER EXCEPT TO WHICH– EXTENT FULLER EXCEPT TO WHICH– EXTENT WHICH CHILDREN ARE BEING WHICH CHILDREN ARE BEING EXPLOITED. EXPLOITED. I ASK YOUR VIEWERS OF ANY VIDEO I ASK YOUR VIEWERS OF ANY VIDEO YOU PLAYED AND ASK YOURSELF S. YOU PLAYED AND ASK YOURSELF S. WITH THE UNDERSTANDING WITH THE UNDERSTANDING APPEARANCES COUNT, IS THIS THE APPEARANCES COUNT, IS THIS THE BEHAVIOR OF SOMEBODY ON THIS BEHAVIOR OF SOMEBODY ON THIS VIDEO WHO IS DISTANT, BARELY VIDEO WHO IS DISTANT, BARELY KNOWS THIS ACQUAINTANCE, OR IS KNOWS THIS ACQUAINTANCE, OR IS IT SOMEONE WHO FEELS QUITE IT SOMEONE WHO FEELS QUITE COMFORTABLE INTERACTING WITH COMFORTABLE INTERACTING WITH EPSTEIN, JOKING. EPSTEIN, JOKING. WHEN YOU’RE SEEING VIDEO — AND WHEN YOU’RE SEEING VIDEO — AND I HAVE SEEN THIS ON I HAVE SEEN THIS ON SURVEILLANCES, PEOPLE JOKING SURVEILLANCES, PEOPLE JOKING TOGETHER, LAUGHING IT UP, THOSE TOGETHER, LAUGHING IT UP, THOSE ARE PEOPLE WHO KNOW EACH OTHER ARE PEOPLE WHO KNOW EACH OTHER AND KNOW EACH OTHER WELL. AND KNOW EACH OTHER WELL. COMBINE IT WITH THE QUOTE YOU COMBINE IT WITH THE QUOTE YOU PUT UP, YEAH, HE LIKES THEM ON PUT UP, YEAH, HE LIKES THEM ON THE YOUNG SIDE, YOU HAVE TO ASK THE YOUNG SIDE, YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF, IS THIS PRESIDENT YOURSELF, IS THIS PRESIDENT KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT EPSTEIN’S KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT EPSTEIN’S ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR WITH CHILDREN? ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR WITH CHILDREN?>>I WANT TO ASK YOU A CULTURE>>I WANT TO ASK YOU A CULTURE QUESTION. QUESTION. BECAUSE I THINK THE CULTURE ON BECAUSE I THINK THE CULTURE ON DONALD TRUMP’S VIEWS ON WOMEN. DONALD TRUMP’S VIEWS ON WOMEN. PEOPLE SAY “ACCESS HOLLYWOOD” PEOPLE SAY “ACCESS HOLLYWOOD” HAPPENED BEFORE THE ELECTION. HAPPENED BEFORE THE ELECTION. PEOPLE KNEW WHAT THEY WERE PEOPLE KNEW WHAT THEY WERE GETTING. GETTING. THEY KNEW THEY WERE GETTING THEY KNEW THEY WERE GETTING SOMEONE WHO BELIEVED IF YOU’RE SOMEONE WHO BELIEVED IF YOU’RE FAMOUS, WOMEN CAN LET YOU DO FAMOUS, WOMEN CAN LET YOU DO EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. YOU CAN GRAB THEM IN THE BLEEP. YOU CAN GRAB THEM IN THE BLEEP. NOW WE KNOW AS RECENTLY AS THREE NOW WE KNOW AS RECENTLY AS THREE WEEKS AGO MEGHAN TULI FROM “THE WEEKS AGO MEGHAN TULI FROM “THE NEW YORK TIMES” SAT ON OUR SET NEW YORK TIMES” SAT ON OUR SET AND DESCRIBED A CREDIBLE RAPE AND DESCRIBED A CREDIBLE RAPE ACCUSATION FROM E. JEAN CARROLL ACCUSATION FROM E. JEAN CARROLL IN A DRESSING ROOM. IN A DRESSING ROOM. THIS IS A MAN ACCUSED OF SEXUAL THIS IS A MAN ACCUSED OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT, SEXUAL MISCONDUCT HARASSMENT, SEXUAL MISCONDUCT AND NOW RAPE BY MORE THAN A AND NOW RAPE BY MORE THAN A DOZEN WOMEN AND THIS IS AN DOZEN WOMEN AND THIS IS AN ASSOCIATION WITH AN ADMITTED ASSOCIATION WITH AN ADMITTED SELF-UL PREDATOR AND NOW SOMEONE SELF-UL PREDATOR AND NOW SOMEONE WHO’S ACCUSED OF SEX TRAFFICKING WHO’S ACCUSED OF SEX TRAFFICKING OF MINOR GIRLS. OF MINOR GIRLS. WHAT DOES THE CULTURE LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES THE CULTURE LOOK LIKE? HOW DO DEMOCRATS BEGIN TO TELL A HOW DO DEMOCRATS BEGIN TO TELL A POLITICAL STORY ABOUT THAT? POLITICAL STORY ABOUT THAT?>>I THINK IT’S CONNECTED IN>>I THINK IT’S CONNECTED IN IMPORTANT WAYS TO THE TWO OTHER IMPORTANT WAYS TO THE TWO OTHER BIG HEADLINES OF THE DAY, BIG HEADLINES OF THE DAY, NICOLLE. NICOLLE. THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK PROSECUTION OF MICHAEL YORK PROSECUTION OF MICHAEL COHEN AND INDIVIDUAL ONE WAS COHEN AND INDIVIDUAL ONE WAS FUNDAMENTALLY ABOUT HUSH MONEY FUNDAMENTALLY ABOUT HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO WOMEN, TO PAYMENTS TO WOMEN, TO PORNOGRAPHY STARS, TO ADULT FILM PORNOGRAPHY STARS, TO ADULT FILM ACTRESSES, TO COVER UP THE ACTRESSES, TO COVER UP THE RELATIONSHIP THEM HAD WITH RELATIONSHIP THEM HAD WITH DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE HE FEARED DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE HE FEARED IT WOULD HURT HIS ELECTION IT WOULD HURT HIS ELECTION CHANCES AND THOSE WERE ELECTION CHANCES AND THOSE WERE ELECTION LAW VIOLATIONS. LAW VIOLATIONS. AND SECOND, OF COURSE, THE WAY AND SECOND, OF COURSE, THE WAY HE TREATS WOMEN, MEMBERS OF HE TREATS WOMEN, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, ELECTED OFFICIALS, THE CONGRESS, ELECTED OFFICIALS, THE WAY HE SINGLES THEM OUT OR WAY HE SINGLES THEM OUT OR CRITICISM FOR RACIST TWEETS FOR CRITICISM FOR RACIST TWEETS FOR HIS OWN BRAND OF WHITE HIS OWN BRAND OF WHITE NATIONALISM. NATIONALISM. HERE WE HAVE A MAN ACROSS THE HERE WE HAVE A MAN ACROSS THE BOARD WHO IS NOT ONLY A BOARD WHO IS NOT ONLY A WOMANIZER, NOT ONLY A SERIAL WOMANIZER, NOT ONLY A SERIAL ABUSER OF WOMEN, HE’S ACCUSED ABUSER OF WOMEN, HE’S ACCUSED CREDIBLY OF ASSAULT, RAPE, CREDIBLY OF ASSAULT, RAPE, CRIMINALITY INVOLVING HIMSELF CRIMINALITY INVOLVING HIMSELF WITH SEX TRAFFICKING. WITH SEX TRAFFICKING. WHAT MORE DO WE NEED TO WHAT MORE DO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THIS UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THIS MAN’S CHARACTER? MAN’S CHARACTER?>>GLENN KIRSCHNER, I WILL GIVE>>GLENN KIRSCHNER, I WILL GIVE YOU THE LAST WORD. YOU THE LAST WORD.>>SO HERE’S THE GREAT UNKNOWN>>SO HERE’S THE GREAT UNKNOWN WHEN IT COMES TO HOW THE EPSTEIN WHEN IT COMES TO HOW THE EPSTEIN MATTER WILL PLAY OUT. MATTER WILL PLAY OUT. IT’S BILL BARR. IT’S BILL BARR. EPSTEIN HAS ALREADY BEEN THE EPSTEIN HAS ALREADY BEEN THE DOWNFALL OF SECRETARY OF LABOR DOWNFALL OF SECRETARY OF LABOR ACOSTA WHEN IT WAS EXPOSED THAT ACOSTA WHEN IT WAS EXPOSED THAT WHEN HE WAS U.S. ATTORNEY, HE WHEN HE WAS U.S. ATTORNEY, HE CUT THIS UGLY, UNPRECEDENTED CUT THIS UGLY, UNPRECEDENTED NON-PROSECUTION AGREEMENT ON NON-PROSECUTION AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF EPSTEIN. BEHALF OF EPSTEIN. IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS DRAFTED BY IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS DRAFTED BY AN EPSTEIN PUBLIC RELATIONS AN EPSTEIN PUBLIC RELATIONS FLAK, TO GOODNESS SAKE. FLAK, TO GOODNESS SAKE. SO IN THE NORMAL PROSECUTORIAL SO IN THE NORMAL PROSECUTORIAL WORLD, WE WOULD NOW BE LOOKING WORLD, WE WOULD NOW BE LOOKING AT THE EPSTEIN PROSECUTION BEING AT THE EPSTEIN PROSECUTION BEING RUN OUT OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT RUN OUT OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AND THINK OKAY, OF NEW YORK AND THINK OKAY, THEY’VE GOT THE GOODS. THEY’VE GOT THE GOODS. THEY’RE GOING TO DETAIN HIM. THEY’RE GOING TO DETAIN HIM. THEY’RE GOING TO GO AT HIM HARD. THEY’RE GOING TO GO AT HIM HARD. MAYBE CONSIDER BRINGING HIM ON MAYBE CONSIDER BRINGING HIM ON AS A COOPERATOR SO HE CAN EXPOSE AS A COOPERATOR SO HE CAN EXPOSE EVERYBODY ELSE WHO WAS INVOLVED EVERYBODY ELSE WHO WAS INVOLVED IN HIS UGLY, UNSEEMLY SEX RING. IN HIS UGLY, UNSEEMLY SEX RING. BUT BILL BARR IS OVER THE TOP OF BUT BILL BARR IS OVER THE TOP OF AND HAS COMMAND AND CONTROL OVER AND HAS COMMAND AND CONTROL OVER THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, AND THAT INJECTS SO MUCH YORK, AND THAT INJECTS SO MUCH UNCERTAINTY AND SO MUCH
PLAN B READY AND WAITING.>>HAVE A GOOD SHOW.>>>THANKS TO YOU AT HOME FOR JOINING US THIS HOUR. OKAY. IF YOU DRIVE NORTH FROM SAN FRANCISCO YOU CROSS THE GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE YOU WILL FIND YOURSELF ON HIGHWAY 101 HEADED INTO THE NORTHERN PART OF CALIFORNIA. AND IF YOU KEEP GOING STRAIGHT UP THE HIGHWAY, 120 MILES UP HIGHWAY 101 FROM SAN FRANCISCO YOU GET TO A PLACE CALLED UKIAH. 33 YEARS AGO ON HIGHWAY 101 JUST OUTSIDE UKIAH, THERE WAS AN A ARMORED TRUCK TRAVELING UP THAT HIGHWAY IN BROAD DAYLIGHT AND THE TRUCK GOT AMBUSHED. IT WAS A PORTION OF THE HIGHWAY ON AN UPHILL CLIMB. IT WAS FULLY LOADED, HAD TO SLOW DOWN AS IT WAS CHUGGING UP THE INCLINE AND THAT’S WHEN THE ROBBERS STRUCK. THERE WERE OTHER DRIVERS WHO SAW IT HAPPEN. THAT WAS IN BROAD DAYLIGHT AND THEY DESCRIBED A PROFESSIONAL OPERATION. TWO PICKUP TRUCKS WERE INVOLVED. ONCE THE ARMORED CAR STARTED TO SLOW DOWN ON THE UPHILL CLIMB, ONE OF THE PICKUP TRUCKS PULLED IN RIGHT BEHIND IT AND ANOTHER PICKUP TRUCK PULLED RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT. ONE RIGHT BEHIND AND ONE RIGHT IN FRONT BOXING IN THE ARMORED CAR. AND THEN IN WHAT APPEARED TO BE A WELL-COORDINATED ACTION, GUYS WITH GUNS LEANED OUT OF THE TWO PICKUP TRUCKS AND THEY SHOT OUT THE TIRES OF THE ARMORED CAR. AND THAT FORCED THE ARMORED CAR TO A STOP. THERE WERE REPORTEDLY SIX AGAIN MEN ALL TOGETHER. ALL OF THEM HAD THEIR FACES COVERED. WITH BANDANAS OR SKI MASKS. THREE GUYS IN EACH OF THE TWO PICKUP TRUCKS. AAFTER THEY BROUGHT THE CAR TO A HALT, THEY USED HIGH POWERED GUNS TO SHOOT OUT THE REINFORCED GLASS ON THE ARMORED VEHICLE AND THAT’S HOW THEY GOT INSIDE OF IT. THEY GOT THE DOORS OPEN AND THEY TOOK OFF WITH 10 TO 15 HEAVY BAGS FULL OF LOOT. IT WAS ALL WITNESSED BY OTHER PEOPLE ON THE HIGHWAY. BROAD DAYLIGHT. THEY DROVE UP 101 IN THESE TWO PICKUP TRUCKS, DUMPED THEM NEARBY AND GOT IN ANOTHER VEHICLE AND SPED OFF. IT WAS FAST, IT WAS PROFESSIONAL. I WAS A VERY HEAVILY ARMED OPERATION. AND IT TURNS OUT THEY GOT A HUGE HAUL FROM THAT ONE ARMORED CAR HEIST. $3.6 MILLION IN CASH FROM THAT ONE ARMORED CAR. AND SOME OF THE MONEY DISAPPEARED, WAS NEVER ACCOUNTED FOR AGAIN. BUT WHEN THE GOVERNMENT FILED ITS INDICTMENT THE FOLLOWING YEAR AFTER THE GANG THAT HAD PULLED OFF THAT HEIST ON HIGHWAY 101 IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA, THE GOVERNMENT IN ITS FILINGS SAID THAT THEY HAD BEEN ABLE TO TRACE SOME OF THE CASH THAT WAS STOLEN FROM THAT ARMORED CAR IN UKIAH. AND THE LIST OF WHERE THAT MONEY WENT CHANGED EVERYTHING. $300,000 WENT TO A PARTICULARLY VEER LENT AND VIOLENT CHAPTER OF THE KU KLUX KLAN IN NORTH CAROLINA, ANOTHER CLAN LEADER IN CALIFORNIA GOT $250,000, THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE, A NAZI GROUPED BASED IN WASHINGTON, D.C., THEY GOT $50,000, THE ARIAN NATIONS UP IN NORTHERN IDAHO, THEY GOT $40,000. THAT ONE HEIST, THAT UKIAH ARMORED CAR HEIST, IT WASN’T JUST A HUGE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR ROBBERY. IT WAS ALSO SUPPOSED TO FUND THE START OF THE NEXT CIVIL WAR IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THE GUYS WHO ROBBED THAT ARMORED CAR ON HIGHWAY 101 BACK IN 1984, THEY WERE PART OF A NEO-NAZI GANG THAT CALLED ITSELF THE ORDER. AND THE ORDER IS BEST REMEMBERED NOW FOR HAVING ASSASSINATED THIS MAN, A JEWISH TALK RADIO HOST IN 1984, A MAN NAMED ALAN BERG. BUT MOST OF THE CRIMES COMMITTED BY THE ORDER WEREN’T JUST MURDER ANASSASSINATION WHICH WE REMEMBER THEM FOR NOW. MOST OF THEIR CRIMES WERE ABOUT MONEY. WHEN THEY ROBBED ARMORED CARS AND VIDEO STORES AND ROBBED BANKS, ALL OF THESE ROBBERIES THAT THEY COMMITTED ALL UP AND DOWN THE WEST COAST, THEY WERE ALL DESIGNED TO COLLECT CASH TO ARM AND FUND A VIOLENT MOVEMENT THAT WAS GOING TO WAGE A RACE WAR IN AMERICA, CREATING A WHITE’S ONLY HOMELAND IN THE UNITED STATES. AND THESE GUYS IN THIS GANG, THE ORDER, THEY WEREN’T THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAD THAT IDEA AT THE TIME. A YEAR AFTER THE ORDER WAS INDICTED AND THE WHOLE GANG WENT ON TRIAL, IT WAS A MARRIED COUPLE IN WYOMING, A MARRIED COUPLEED THIS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND TOOK HOSTAGES. THEY TOOK 150 KIDS AND TEACHERS HOSTAGE. IN EXCHANGE FOR THE LIVES OF ALL OF THOSE KIDS AND TEACHERS, THE COUPLE DEMANDED A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR RANSOM THAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD USE TO FINANCE A WHITE SUPREMACIST REF REVOLUTION. THE COUPLE THAT TOOK ALL OF THE KIDS AND TEACHERS HOSTAGE, THEY BROUGHT IN BOMBS, HOMEMADE GASOLINE BOMBS. A BUNCH OF THE KIDS THAT THEY TOOK HOSTAGE ENDED UP GETTING BURNED. BUT THE ONLY TWO WHO DIED THAT DAY WERE THE TWO HOSTAGE TAKERS. THROUGHOUT THE 1980s INTO THE 1990s IS THERE WERE REGULAR WHITE SUPREMACIST MEETINGS, THE ARIAN NATIONS CONGRESSING UP IN NORTHERN IDAHO. THEY HELD A BIG PIECE OF LAND UP THERE UNTIL THINGS STARTED TO FALL APART FOR THEM IN 1988. A BUNCH OF THE ARIAN NATIONS SECURITY GUARDS WERE OUT PATROLLING WHILE DRUNK ONE NIGHT. THEY ENDED UP BEATING UP AND SHOOTING AT A NAY TIFF AMERICAN MOM AND HER SON WHO HAD THE MISFORTUNE TO PASS BY WHILE THE DRUNK NAZI GUARDS WERE OUT PATROLLING THE PERIMETER OF THAT ARIAN NATIONS LAND. THE LAWSUIT WAS BOUGHT ON BHOOF OF THE WOMAN AND HER SON AND IN THAT LEGAL STRATEGY THEY BASICALLY CAME UP WITH A WAY TOO BANKRUPT THE NAZIS INTO LOSING THAT LAND IN NORTHERN IDAHO. THEY WERE FORCED TO VACATE AND THE TOWN’S FIRE DEPARTMENT GOT PRACTICE AND SATISFACTION ON BURNING DOWN ALL OF THE SENATE ZI’S BUILDINGS ONE BY ONE AFTER THEY HAD BEEN EVICTED VIA THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS A STUBBORN PROBLEM WITH NEO-NAZIISM AND OVERT VIOLENT WHITE SUPREMACY. IT ALWAYS SEEMS AMAZING WHEN IT SURFACES BUT WE’VE ALWAYS HAD IT. AND OVER I’M THEY GO THROUGH RIDICULOUS AND SELF IMPORTANT NAMES AND ITERATIONS AND PATTERNS OF SYMBOLIC BEHAVIOR, RIGHT. BUT OVER TIME IT’S ALL THE SAME BASIC IDEA AND AT ITS CORE IT’S ALWAYS VIOLENT. IT’S THE ORDER. IT’S THE CLAN. IT’S THE ARIAN NATIONS. THE CHRISTIAN IDENTITY MOVEMENT. NOW THEY WANT TO BE CALLED THE ALT-RIGHT. OKAY, WHATEVER. THEIR IDEAS ARE NOT NEW. THEIR VIOLENCE IS NOT NEW. AS A COUNTRY WE’VE WEATHERED EXTREME INCIDENTS OF THEIR VIOLENCE. THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING IN 1985 KILLED 168 PEOPLE, INCLUDING DOZENS OF KIDS, BROUGHT DOWN A FEDERAL BUILDING. TODAY A 23-YEAR-OLD EXTREMIST FROM OKLAHOMA HAS BEEN ARRAIGNED FROM TRYING TO BLOW UP A BANK IN NEW YORK CITY TO FOLLOW IN TIM THINK MCVEIGH’S FOOTSTEPS. IN 2012 A KNEE NEO-NAZI, IN WISCONSIN, SHOT AND KILLED SIX PEOPLE IN THE TRUMP L. IN 2015 ANOTHER WHITE SUPREMACIST SHOT AND KILLED NINE PEOPLE, SHOT AND WOUNDED THREE OTHERS AT AN LANDMARK AFRICAN-AMERICAN CHURCH IN SOUTH CAROLINA. HE SAID HIS MOTIVE WAS THEY WERE HOPING TO START A RACE WAR. THEY’RE ALL HOPING TO START A RACE WAR. THEY’RE ALWAYS TRYING TO DO THAT. THIS IS A PERSISTENT INFECTION IN WHITE AMERICAN CULTURE AND IT CAN BE QUITE FATAL. AND WHAT I’VE LEARNED OVER THE COURSE OF MY 44 YEARS IS THAT THIS INFECTION IN MODERN AMERICAN WHITE CULTURE DOESN’T GET BETTER OVER TIME. AND APPARENTLY IT NEVER GOES AWAY. WE ARE HAVING A PARTICULARLY BAD OUTBREAK OF IT RIGHT NOW, THIS YEAR. FEBRUARY, KANSAS, TWO INDIAN ENGINEERS SHOT IN A BARBIE A GUY WHO WAS SCREAMING RACIAL AND RELIGIOUS SLURS AT THEM. ONE OF THE ENGINEERS WAS KILLED, ANOTHER WAS WOUNDED AS WAS A BYSTANDER WHO TRIED TO TO SAVE THEM, IN FEBRUARY. THEN IN MARCH, MANHATTAN, A 66-YEAR-OLD AFRICAN-AMERICAN MAN MINDING HIS OWN BUSINESS, WALKING DOWN THE STREET, ATTACKED AND STABBED TO DEATH BY A WHITE MAN WITH A SWORD WHO DROVE TO NEW YORK CITY FROM MARYLAND SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THAT’S WHERE HE THOUGHT HI COULD GET THE MOST MEDIA ATTENTION FOR HIS PLOT TO KILL RAD COME BLACK MEN ON THE STREET. IN MAY, PORTLAND, OREGON O, TWO GIRLS ON A COMMUTER TRAINED SUBJECTED TO ABUSE BY A GUY SCREAMING AT THEM AND THREATENING THEM, PASSERS BY INTERVENE ON BEHALF OF THE GIRLS, ONE OF THEM GET KILLED. THAT HAPPENED AT THE SAME WEEK THAT THIS YOUNG MAN WAS STABBED AND KILLED THREE DAYS BEFORE HE WAS DUE TO GRADUATE JUST AFTER HE HADS BEEN COMMISSIONED AS A SECOND LIEUTENANT IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY. THE YOUNG WHITE STUDENT WHO KILLED HIM WAS A MEMBER OF HARD CORE RIGHT WING ONLINE GROUPS. AND THIS WEEKEND, CHARLOTTESVILLE, VIRGINIA, A WHITE SUPREMACIST MARCH AND RALLY IS FOLLOWED THE NEXT MAN BY DESCRIBED AS A NAZI SYMPATHIZER, DRIVING HIS CAR INTO A CROWD KILLING ONE, INJURING 19 OTHERS. WE ARE EXPERIENCING SOMETHING RIGHT NEW THAT IS NOT NEW BUT WE ARE HAVING A PARTICULARLY BAD OUTBREAK OF IT THIS YEAR. IF YOU’RE COGNIZANT AND HISTORY OF THE STUFF WE’VE GOT TO CONTEND WITH IN THIS COUNTRY WITH THIS AMERICAN CULTURE AND POLITICS, THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT I THINK ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN THIS PARTICULAR OUTBREAK WE’RE HAVING OF VIOLENT WHITE SO SPREM SCHISM. WE’VE GOT TWO THINGS GOING ON THAT ARE UNUSUAL AND UNPRECEDENTED. THAT JUST MEANS IT’S HARD TO PREDICT WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT. EVEN WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS HAS PROCEEDED IN THIS PAST, THERE ARE TWO THINGS IN WHAT’S GOING ON RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE DIFFERENT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT’S DIFFERENT IS VERY PRACTICAL AND ONE OF THEM ISS POLITICAL. THE PRACTICAL DIFFERENCE IS IT’S A VERY VERY GRANULAR THING BUT IT MAY END UP BEING IMPORTANT. IT’S THE PUBLIC IDENTIFYABILITY OF THE PARTICIPANTS. ROBBING A BRINGS TRUCK IN 1984, THOSE GUYS WAR SKI MASKS. IN HAYDEN LAKE, IDAHO, THAT WAS SO FAR OFF THE GRID THAT THEY FELT COMFORTABLE MAKING THEIR HOMELAND OND OFF THE GRID BECAU NOBODY COULD FIND THEM. IN WHITE POWER CULTURE AND MUSIC AND GANGS, THERE’S ALWAYS AN ELEMENT OF COVERT ORGANIZING. RIGHT? THAT’S WHAT THE HOODS ARE ALL ABOUT. BUT WHEN THESE GUYS ALL TURNED UP AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA ON FRIDAY NIGHT, YES, IT WAS THE DIAGRAM OVERLAP BETWEEN STUPID AND THREATENING THAT THEY’RE ALL STAND TLG IN TORCHLIGHT. THEY’RE ALL STANDING THERE HOLDING HARDWARE STORE TEE KEY TORCHES WHILE YELLING THEIR NAZI SLOGANS. HOWEVER YOU FELT ABOUT THAT EMOTIONALLY SEEING IT, THOSE TORCHES ALWAYS MADE FOR SOME REALLY GOOD LIGHTING IN TERMS OF SEEING WHAT THOSE GUYS ALL LOOK LIKE. AND THERE WAS, HONESTLY, WITH CELL PHONE TECHNOLOGY AND THE WAY WE COVE OUR INTERACTIONS, THERE WAS ONE CAMERA THERE FOR EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING ON SIGHT YELLING NAZI SLOGANS AND CARRYING A TORCH. AND BECAUSE OF ALL OF THOSE RECOGNIZABLE FACES, THERE HAS AN BEEN INTERESTING SIDE BAR OF NEWS WHERE THE NEO-NAZISAZIS AN WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND SEPARATISTS WHO SHOWED UP ON TAP AT THE RALLY, THERE’S AN INTERESTING IN SIDE BAR IN THE NEWS WHERE YOU SEE THEM ALL PLUZING THEIR JOBS TODAY OR BEING DENOUNCED FROM THEIR FAMILIES OR HAVING TO EXPLAIN TO THEIR COLLEGE CAMPUSES WHO THEY ARE, WHAT THEY REALLY THINK AND WHAT THEY’RE DOING THERE. THAT’S A PRAK DAL SOMEWHAT SMALL GRANULAR THING BUT THAT WILL BECOME AN ONGOING WILD CARD FOR THIS MOVEMENT AND FOR THIS ONGOING VIOLENT SCOURGE IN THE UNITED STATES THAT WE FACED FOR SO LONG. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO SHOWED UP AT THAT TORCH LITERALLY FRIDAY NIGHT WILL BE FOREVER IDENTIFIABLE AS SOMEONE WHO SHOWED UP. THEY WERE ALL VERY WELL LIT. THEY WERE ALL VERY VERY WELL PHOTOGRAPHED. ANYBODY WHO WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, FLIRTING WITH WHITE SUPREMACY, BECAUSE IT’S THE HOT NEW THING IN CONSERVATIVE POLITICS IN THE TRUMP ERA, ANYBODY WHO WAS THERE ON A WHIM WHO IS FINDING THEMSELVES AND WONDERING IF THEY’RE MAYBE A NAZI, THEY WILL FIND FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE THAT THEY’RE IDENTIFIED AS A NEOSENATE ZI OR A WHITE SUPREMACIST FOR HAVING BEEN AT THAT EVENT. NONE OF THEM WILL BE ABLE TO CHANGE THAT. YOU THINK HAVING AN EMBARRASSING FACEBOOK FEED IS GOING TO AFFECT YOUR ABILITY TO GET JOBS AFTER GRAD SCHOOL. IMAGINE WHAT IT’S GOING TO DO FOR TO YOU FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE IF YOU’RE WELL LIT ON CAMERA, WELL DEFINED, IDENTIFIABLE AND NAMED AS HAVING BEEN ONE OF THE NAMES SCREAMING NAZI SALUTES AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA 2017. AND THAT ORGANIZED STRATEGY TO HAVE BEEN DONE IT BY TORCHLIGHT, IT MAY HAVE BEEN GENIUS ON PART OF THE ORGANIZER TO LOCK IN A LIFELONG COMMITMENT TO QUIT LITERALLY SHOW THEIR FACES AT THAT EVENT ON FRIDAY NIGHT. THEY’RE NOW IN IT FOR LIFE. SO THAT’S ONE WILD CARD. THAT IS EGITIMATELY NEW IN TERMS OF HOW THE MOVEMENTS HAVE OPERATED IN MODERN HISTORY. THAT’S THE PRACTICAL THING. THE POLITICAL THING, THE OTHER THING THAT’S NEW HERE IS OF COURSE FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER IN MODERN AMERICAN HISTORY THESE GUYS THINK THEY HAVE A CHAMPION NOT JUST IN POLITICS BUT IN MAINSTREAM POLITICS. DAVID DUKE RAN FOR GOVERNOR IN LOUISIANA AND THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A HOUSE MEMBER HER OAR THERE WHO WAS WILLING TO ASSOCIATE HIMSELF OR HERSELF WITH THE MALITIA MOVEMENT OR FLIRT WITH EXTREMES. BUT WE’VE NEVER HAD THE VIOLENT RIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY ASSOCIATE THEMSELVES SO OPENLY AND SO LOVINGLY WITH A SERVING PRESIDENT. AND THERE’S BEEN A LOT OF TALK TODAY AND OVER THE WEEKEND ABOUT WHAT THAT ASSOCIATION MEANS FOR THIS PRESIDENT AND HOW THIS PRESIDENT TALKS ABOUT THAT MOVEMENT. BUT IT’S WORTH LOOKING AT WHAT THAT CONNECTION TO A PRESIDENCY MEANS FOR THESE NEO-NAZIS. WHAT IT MEANS FOR THIS THING WE CAN’T GET RID OF, THIS PERSISTENT SOURCE OF VIOLENCE AND EXTREMISM AND TERRORISM IN AMERICAN CULTURE. WE’VE SEEN THAT SUBCULTURE WREAK SHAF ROCK EVERY DECADE WE’VE EXISTED AS A COUNTRY. WE’VE NEVER SEEN ONE ALIGN WITH A SITTING U.S. PR
♪ ♪>>Kat: HE DID VOWED TO CHANGE WASHINGTON AND DRAIN THE SWAMP, SO HOW MUCH HAS PRESIDENT TRUMP CHANGED THE OFFICE AND POLITICAL CULTURE IN OUR CAPITAL TWO USIN USING? “TRUMP HAS CHANGED IN WAYS BOTH SUBTLE AND PROFOUND HOW WASHINGTON WORKS AND HOW IT IS VIEWED BY THE REST OF THE NATION AND WORLD.” THE NEXT PRESIDENT WILL NOT MODEL HIMSELF IN THE STYLE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. WHAT DO YOU THINK? HAS TRUMP CHANGED THE GAME FOREVER OR NO?>>Tyrus: HE’S TURNED IT INTO ENTERTAINMENT, THE NUMBER ONE TV SHOW IS POLITICS. IT’S WHY WE ARE SITTING HERE AND PEOPLE WATCH. IT’S NO LONGER MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL, IT’S MONDAY MORNING TWEETS. HE’S CHANGED THE GAMES IN TERMS OF GOOD, BAD, OR INDIFFERENT. SOMEBODY WILL COME UP TO ME AND WANT TO START TALKING POLITICS. THE NEXT PRESIDENT, WE ARE GOING TO BE VERY BORED.>>Julie: WE HAVE KEPT VERY BUSY AND IT IS VERY ENTERTAINING TO DO OUR JOBS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. THERE’S NEVER A DAY, YOU ARE VERY RIGHT WITH THAT. IT WOULD BE VERY BORING, YOU HAVE TO ADMIT. I THINK IT HAS CHANGED ACCESSIBILITY FOREVER.>>Rachel: THERE IS A LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY AND ACCESSIBILITY WE’VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. I COME FROM REALITY TV SO IT’S KIND OF FASCINATING, HE WAS A PRODUCER. I THINK HE BRINGS THAT SKILL SET TO THE JOB, I HAVE FRIENDS WHO ARE PRO-TRUMP BAND OF FRIENDS WHO ARE REPUBLICANS I DON’T LIKE HIM. IT’S NOT THE POLICY, BUT THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO REALLY LIKE DECORUM, THEY LIKE THAT MYSTIQUE THAT CAME WITH THE OFFICE. DONALD TRUMP IS AN OPEN BOOK. IN THAT REGARD I THINK IN THE NEXT ELECTION, WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON HAD THAT SENSE OF DECORUM OR NOT, THEY’RE GOING TO BE EXPECTED TO BE TRANSPARENT. I DON’T THINK TALKING POINTS FROM THE RNC AND DNC ARE GOING TO WORK ANYMORE, PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEIR LEADERS ARE THINKING.>>Jessica: ONE OF THE POSITIVES I THINK OUT OF THIS IS PEOPLE ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE THAT THEY THOUGHT COULD NOT BEFORE. IF YOU THINK ABOUT — THERE IS THIS MOVIE COMING OUT ABOUT GARY HART, FOR INSTANCE. THAT IS CERTAINLY AN INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL MAYBE BRING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE FOLD WHO HAVE SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO SAY AND BE GREAT REPRESENTATIVES. YOU ALSO MENTIONED DRAINING THE SWAMP WHICH CURRENTLY IS NOT HAPPENED. THERE ARE MORE CABINETS SECRETARIES BEING ACCUSED OF DRIFTING, EMPLOYING THEIR FAMILIES AND STEALING FROM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. HE BROUGHT IN A CREW OF HIS BUDDIES, IN THE SENSE OF HIM GOING IN THERE AND TAKING OUT THE ELITE, HE DIDN’T, HE JUST PUT IN BUSINESS ELITES, WALL STREET ELITES.>>Tyrus: WHENEVER YOU BRING YOUR HOMIES INTO ANYTHING, WE HAD A RULE IN WRESTLING –>>Jessica: I DON’T KNOW A PAST ADMINISTRATION HAS THIS MANY MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATION THAT WERE FAMILY MEMBERS.>>Rachel: THE LOBBYIST CLASS DOES NOT OF THE SAME ACCESS AND
STEPH.>>ALL RIGHT.>>ALL RIGHT. JEFF BENNETT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. JEFF BENNETT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET’S BE CLEAR ABOUT ONE POINT. LET’S BE CLEAR ABOUT ONE POINT. THERE ARE REAL REASONS TO BE THERE ARE REAL REASONS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT A POSSIBLE CONCERNED ABOUT A POSSIBLE RECESSION. RECESSION. REMEMBER, A RECESSION IS NOT A REMEMBER, A RECESSION IS NOT A CRISIS. CRISIS. A RECESSION IS NORMAL. A RECESSION IS NORMAL. BUT A SITTING PRESIDENT DOESN’T BUT A SITTING PRESIDENT DOESN’T NECESSARILY WANT TO BE RUNNING NECESSARILY WANT TO BE RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION DURING A FOR RE-ELECTION DURING A RECESSION. RECESSION. SO LET’S LOOK AT ONE OF THOSE SO LET’S LOOK AT ONE OF THOSE REASONS. REASONS. MORE THAN 30 CENTRAL BANKS MORE THAN 30 CENTRAL BANKS AROUND THE WORLD HAVE CUT AROUND THE WORLD HAVE CUT INTEREST RATES THIS YEAR. INTEREST RATES THIS YEAR. WHY DOES THAT MATTER? WHY DOES THAT MATTER? THE LAST TIME WE SAW THAT MANY THE LAST TIME WE SAW THAT MANY RATE CUTS WORLDWIDE, WAS DURING RATE CUTS WORLDWIDE, WAS DURING THE FINANCIAL CRISIS OF 2008. THE FINANCIAL CRISIS OF 2008. WE CURRENTLY HAVE NINE COUNTRIES WE CURRENTLY HAVE NINE COUNTRIES POTENTIALLY FACING RECESSION POTENTIALLY FACING RECESSION RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW. IN A GLOBAL ECONOMY THAT’S AN IN A GLOBAL ECONOMY THAT’S AN ISSUE. ISSUE. OUR OWN FEDERAL RESERVE LOWERED OUR OWN FEDERAL RESERVE LOWERED ITS RATE BY .25% LAST MONTH TO ITS RATE BY .25% LAST MONTH TO TRY AND EXTEND ECONOMIC GROWTH TRY AND EXTEND ECONOMIC GROWTH HERE AT HOME DESPITE THE SLOW HERE AT HOME DESPITE THE SLOW GROWTH WORLDWIDE AND THE HARM GROWTH WORLDWIDE AND THE HARM DONE BY THE PRESIDENT’S TRADE DONE BY THE PRESIDENT’S TRADE WAR. WAR. BUT TYPICALLY THE FED CUTS RATES BUT TYPICALLY THE FED CUTS RATES AS A LAST RESORT WHEN THE AS A LAST RESORT WHEN THE ECONOMY IS IN MUCH WORSE SHAPE ECONOMY IS IN MUCH WORSE SHAPE THAN IT APPEARS TO BE RIGHT NOW. THAN IT APPEARS TO BE RIGHT NOW. AND USING RATE CUTS NOW COULD AND USING RATE CUTS NOW COULD MEAN THAT THEY’RE NOT AVAILABLE MEAN THAT THEY’RE NOT AVAILABLE WHEN WE REALLY NEED THEM. WHEN WE REALLY NEED THEM. IT COULD ALSO MEAN THAT THE IT COULD ALSO MEAN THAT THE ECONOMY WILL BE SIMPLY IMMUNE TO ECONOMY WILL BE SIMPLY IMMUNE TO THEIR IMPACT. THEIR IMPACT. AND, YET, THE WHITE HOUSE AND, YET, THE WHITE HOUSE CONTINUES TO CALL FOR THE FED TO CONTINUES TO CALL FOR THE FED TO LOWER RATES EVEN FURTHER. LOWER RATES EVEN FURTHER. BUT THAT MESSAGE COULD BE DOING BUT THAT MESSAGE COULD BE DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD. MORE HARM THAN GOOD. U.S. CONSUMER SENTIMENT ACTUALLY U.S. CONSUMER SENTIMENT ACTUALLY FELL IN AUGUST AND ACCORDING TO FELL IN AUGUST AND ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTOR OF THE SURVEY THE THE DIRECTOR OF THE SURVEY THE CUT ACTUALLY MADE PEOPLE MORE CUT ACTUALLY MADE PEOPLE MORE WORRIED ABOUT A POSSIBLE WORRIED ABOUT A POSSIBLE RECESSION. RECESSION. PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED. PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED. I HAVE A GREAT GROUP HERE WITH I HAVE A GREAT GROUP HERE WITH ME TO HELP CLEAR SOME OF THE ME TO HELP CLEAR SOME OF THE CONFUSION UP. CONFUSION UP. PHIL RUCKER WHITE HOUSE BUREAU PHIL RUCKER WHITE HOUSE BUREAU CHIEF FOR “THE WASHINGTON POST,” CHIEF FOR “THE WASHINGTON POST,” NEIL IRWIN SENIOR ECONOMICS NEIL IRWIN SENIOR ECONOMICS CORRESPONDENT FOR THE “NEW YORK CORRESPONDENT FOR THE “NEW YORK TIMES” AND DEMOCRATIC TIMES” AND DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSWOMAN FROM MY HOME STATE CONGRESSWOMAN FROM MY HOME STATE OF NEW JERSEY. OF NEW JERSEY. CONGRESSWOMAN, I TURN TO YOU CONGRESSWOMAN, I TURN TO YOU FIRST. FIRST. THE PRESIDENT KNOWS THE ECONOMY THE PRESIDENT KNOWS THE ECONOMY IS HIS TICKET TO RE-ELECTION. IS HIS TICKET TO RE-ELECTION. IS THERE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE IS THERE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE HE IS GOING TO GIVE AMERICANS A HE IS GOING TO GIVE AMERICANS A MORE ACCURATE PICTURE OF THE MORE ACCURATE PICTURE OF THE ECONOMY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT ECONOMY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? IT? IF YOU ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, IF YOU ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, IF YOU ARE A PRIVATE CITIZEN IF YOU ARE A PRIVATE CITIZEN WHICH HE WAS LAST TIME AROUND, WHICH HE WAS LAST TIME AROUND, YOU CAN PAINT WHATEVER PICTURE YOU CAN PAINT WHATEVER PICTURE YOU WANT TO HELP YOURSELF GET YOU WANT TO HELP YOURSELF GET RE-ELECTED BUT HE IS CURRENTLY RE-ELECTED BUT HE IS CURRENTLY GOVERNING OUR NATION INTERFACING GOVERNING OUR NATION INTERFACING WITH WORLD LEADERS EVERY DAY. WITH WORLD LEADERS EVERY DAY. IF HE’S NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT IF HE’S NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT THE STATE THAT WE’RE IN WHAT THE STATE THAT WE’RE IN WHAT DOES THAT DO TO US? DOES THAT DO TO US?>>I THINK MANY AMERICANS KNOW>>I THINK MANY AMERICANS KNOW WHAT STATE WE’RE IN. WHAT STATE WE’RE IN. IN MY HOME STATE NEW JERSEY AS IN MY HOME STATE NEW JERSEY AS YOU WELL KNOW MANY OF THE YOU WELL KNOW MANY OF THE ECONOMIC MOVES BY THIS ECONOMIC MOVES BY THIS ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY HARMFUL TO US. INCREDIBLY HARMFUL TO US. NEW JERSEY WAS WORST HIT BY THE NEW JERSEY WAS WORST HIT BY THE TAX REFORM THAN ANY OTHER STATE TAX REFORM THAN ANY OTHER STATE IN THE NATION. IN THE NATION. THE STATE AND LOCAL TAX THE STATE AND LOCAL TAX DEDUCTION CAP HAS BEEN HURTING DEDUCTION CAP HAS BEEN HURTING TEACHERS AND COPS THROUGHOUT MY TEACHERS AND COPS THROUGHOUT MY DISTRICT. DISTRICT. WE SEE THE FAILURE TO INVEST IN WE SEE THE FAILURE TO INVEST IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE FURTHER OUR INFRASTRUCTURE FURTHER HARMING OUR DISTRICT AND OUR HARMING OUR DISTRICT AND OUR STATE, A STATE THAT BY THE WAY STATE, A STATE THAT BY THE WAY IS PART OF THE 20% OF THE IS PART OF THE 20% OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY. AMERICAN ECONOMY. SO, YOU KNOW, THESE HITS, THESE SO, YOU KNOW, THESE HITS, THESE WERE SELF-INFLICTED WOUNDS. WERE SELF-INFLICTED WOUNDS. AND THE PRESIDENT FURTHERMORE AND THE PRESIDENT FURTHERMORE CONTINUES TO DO THAT IN THE CONTINUES TO DO THAT IN THE GLOBAL ECONOMY. GLOBAL ECONOMY. I DON’T THINK PEOPLE QUITE I DON’T THINK PEOPLE QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THESE CHINESE TARIFFS. THESE CHINESE TARIFFS. THIS TARIFF WAR HAS BEEN REALLY THIS TARIFF WAR HAS BEEN REALLY HARD FOR CORPORATIONS IN MY HARD FOR CORPORATIONS IN MY DISTRICT WHO ARE TRYING HARD TO DISTRICT WHO ARE TRYING HARD TO PLAN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, PLAN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THE NEXT TEN YEARS, THE NEXT 15 THE NEXT TEN YEARS, THE NEXT 15 YEARS, AND ARE FINDING YEARS, AND ARE FINDING THEMSELVES UNABLE TO DO SO AND THEMSELVES UNABLE TO DO SO AND THE PRESIDENT SAYS, WELL, HE’S THE PRESIDENT SAYS, WELL, HE’S NOT GOING TO DO THE TARIFF WAR NOT GOING TO DO THE TARIFF WAR UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS BECAUSE HE UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS BECAUSE HE KNOWS IT’S ANOTHER TAX ON KNOWS IT’S ANOTHER TAX ON CONSUMERS. CONSUMERS. AND SO WE SEE HIM HOLDING OFF AND SO WE SEE HIM HOLDING OFF UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS FOR SOME UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS FOR SOME OF THIS TRADE WAR WHICH MAKES IT OF THIS TRADE WAR WHICH MAKES IT SEEM LIKE IT’S JUST SOME SEEM LIKE IT’S JUST SOME PARTISAN MANEUVERING AND NOT PARTISAN MANEUVERING AND NOT REALLY HELPFUL TO OUR ECONOMY. REALLY HELPFUL TO OUR ECONOMY.>>PHIL, I WANT TO PLAY PART OF>>PHIL, I WANT TO PLAY PART OF YOUR EXCHANGE WITH THE PRESIDENT YOUR EXCHANGE WITH THE PRESIDENT YESTERDAY WHILE HE WAS IN NEW YESTERDAY WHILE HE WAS IN NEW JERSEY TALKING ABOUT HOW THE JERSEY TALKING ABOUT HOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SO HAPPY AND AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SO HAPPY AND SPENDING WHEN WE KNOW FROM THE SPENDING WHEN WE KNOW FROM THE CONGRESSWOMAN PEOPLE IN NEW CONGRESSWOMAN PEOPLE IN NEW JERSEY DID NOT BENEFIT. JERSEY DID NOT BENEFIT. TAKE A LOOK. TAKE A LOOK.>>A LOT OF ECONOMISTS SAY YOU>>A LOT OF ECONOMISTS SAY YOU SHOULD BE PREPARING FOR A SHOULD BE PREPARING FOR A RECESSION, THAT NO PRESIDENT IS RECESSION, THAT NO PRESIDENT IS IMMUNE TO RECESSION AND IT IS IMMUNE TO RECESSION AND IT IS NOW — NOW –>>PHIL, HONESTLY I’M PREPARED>>PHIL, HONESTLY I’M PREPARED FOR EVERYTHING. FOR EVERYTHING. I DON’T THINK WE’RE HAVING A I DON’T THINK WE’RE HAVING A RECESSION. RECESSION. WE ARE DOING TREMENDOUSLY WELL. WE ARE DOING TREMENDOUSLY WELL. OUR CONSUMERS ARE RICH. OUR CONSUMERS ARE RICH. I GAVE A TREMENDOUS TAX CUT AND I GAVE A TREMENDOUS TAX CUT AND THEY’RE LOADED UP WITH MONEY. THEY’RE LOADED UP WITH MONEY. THEY’RE BUYING. THEY’RE BUYING. I SAW THE WALMART NUMBERS. I SAW THE WALMART NUMBERS. THEY WERE THROUGH THE ROOF JUST THEY WERE THROUGH THE ROOF JUST TWO DAYS AGO. TWO DAYS AGO. THAT’S BETTER THAN ANY POLL, THAT’S BETTER THAN ANY POLL, BETTER THAN ANY ECONOMIST. BETTER THAN ANY ECONOMIST. AND MOST ECONOMISTS ACTUALLY AND MOST ECONOMISTS ACTUALLY SAY, PHIL, THAT WE’RE NOT GOING SAY, PHIL, THAT WE’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A RECESSION. TO HAVE A RECESSION. MOST OF THEM ARE SAYING WE’RE MOST OF THEM ARE SAYING WE’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A RECESSION. NOT GOING TO HAVE A RECESSION.>>SO THE PRESIDENT SAID WALMART>>SO THE PRESIDENT SAID WALMART NUMBERS WERE THROUGH THE ROOF. NUMBERS WERE THROUGH THE ROOF. HE DIDN’T SAY THE DAY BEFORE HE DIDN’T SAY THE DAY BEFORE THAT MACY’S NUMBERS WERE IN THE THAT MACY’S NUMBERS WERE IN THE TOILET. TOILET. WHEN HE SAYS CONSUMERS ARE FLUSH WHEN HE SAYS CONSUMERS ARE FLUSH WITH CASH AND SPENDING, IT WITH CASH AND SPENDING, IT WASN’T A TAX CUT FOR THE AVERAGE WASN’T A TAX CUT FOR THE AVERAGE AMERICAN. AMERICAN. TWA IS A TWA IS A IT WAS A CORPORATE TAX CUT. IT WAS A CORPORATE TAX CUT. WHAT IS YOUR TAKEAWAY FROM WHAT WHAT IS YOUR TAKEAWAY FROM WHAT HE SAID? HE SAID?>>WHAT JUST SAID IS EXACTLY>>WHAT JUST SAID IS EXACTLY RIGHT. RIGHT. WHAT TRUMP IS TRYING TO DO IS WHAT TRUMP IS TRYING TO DO IS PROJECT CONFIDENCE TO THE PROJECT CONFIDENCE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THERE’S NOT AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THERE’S NOT GOING TO BE A RECESSION AND THAT GOING TO BE A RECESSION AND THAT HE A ESGOT EVERYTHING UNDER HE A ESGOT EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL. CONTROL. BUT THAT FLIES IN THE FACE OF BUT THAT FLIES IN THE FACE OF THE DATA WE’RE SEEING AND THE THE DATA WE’RE SEEING AND THE INDICATORS AND THE BIG YELLOW INDICATORS AND THE BIG YELLOW FLAGS ESPECIALLY LAST WEEK. FLAGS ESPECIALLY LAST WEEK. YOU KNOW, NO PRESIDENT IS IMMUNE YOU KNOW, NO PRESIDENT IS IMMUNE FROM A RECESSION. FROM A RECESSION. PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT IMMUNE PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT IMMUNE FROM A RECESSION. FROM A RECESSION. YOU KNOW, TALKING TO ECONOMISTS YOU KNOW, TALKING TO ECONOMISTS I INTERVIEWED LARRY SUMMERS LAST I INTERVIEWED LARRY SUMMERS LAST WEEK THE FORMER TREASURY WEEK THE FORMER TREASURY SECRETARY AND ECONOMIC ADVISER SECRETARY AND ECONOMIC ADVISER WHO HELPED GUIDE THE OBAMA WHO HELPED GUIDE THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION OUT OF THE GREAT ADMINISTRATION OUT OF THE GREAT RECESSION AND HE SAID AIT WAS RECESSION AND HE SAID AIT WAS EFFECTIVELY MALPRACTICE FOR THIS EFFECTIVELY MALPRACTICE FOR THIS GOVERNMENT NOT TO BE GETTING GOVERNMENT NOT TO BE GETTING READY FOR A RECESSION IF ONE READY FOR A RECESSION IF ONE WERE TO COME. WERE TO COME.>>YOU WROTE AN EXCELLENT PIECE>>YOU WROTE AN EXCELLENT PIECE ABOUT HOW A RECESSION COULD ABOUT HOW A RECESSION COULD HAPPEN AND, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE HAPPEN AND, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE NORMAL. NORMAL. WE HAVE BEEN IN A TEN-YEAR WE HAVE BEEN IN A TEN-YEAR ECONOMIC EXPANSION, SO A ECONOMIC EXPANSION, SO A RECESSION IS PAR FOR THE COURSE. RECESSION IS PAR FOR THE COURSE. AND THE PRESIDENT HAS ALREADY AND THE PRESIDENT HAS ALREADY GIVEN A MASSIVE CORPORATE TAX GIVEN A MASSIVE CORPORATE TAX CUT AND, STILL, WITH GDP ONLY CUT AND, STILL, WITH GDP ONLY 2.1% THAT IS FAR BELOW HIS 3% 2.1% THAT IS FAR BELOW HIS 3% PROJECTION THOUGH HE PROJECTED PROJECTION THOUGH HE PROJECTED 4%, 5%, 6%. 4%, 5%, 6%. AFTER HEARING THE PRESIDENT AND AFTER HEARING THE PRESIDENT AND HIS ADVISERS SAYING, I DON’T SEE HIS ADVISERS SAYING, I DON’T SEE A RECESSION ANYWHERE, DO YOU A RECESSION ANYWHERE, DO YOU BELIEVE THEY’RE RECOGNIZING THE BELIEVE THEY’RE RECOGNIZING THE RISKS THAT AT LEAST YOU AND MANY RISKS THAT AT LEAST YOU AND MANY OTHERS HAVE LAID OUT? OTHERS HAVE LAID OUT?>>NO.>>NO. THEY SEEM TO BE KIND OF STICKING THEY SEEM TO BE KIND OF STICKING THEIR FINGERS IN THEIR EARS AND THEIR FINGERS IN THEIR EARS AND PRETENDING THESE SIGNS AREN’T PRETENDING THESE SIGNS AREN’T OUT THERE. OUT THERE. WE’VE SEEN THIS BEFORE. WE’VE SEEN THIS BEFORE. IT DOESN’T HAVE TO BE A IT DOESN’T HAVE TO BE A RECESSION FOR THIS TO BE A VERY RECESSION FOR THIS TO BE A VERY DANGEROUS MOMENT FOR THE DANGEROUS MOMENT FOR THE ECONOMY. ECONOMY. IN LATE 2015 EARLY 2016 THERE IN LATE 2015 EARLY 2016 THERE WAS SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO WAS SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THIS, AN INDUSTRIAL SLOWDOWN THIS, AN INDUSTRIAL SLOWDOWN CAUSED BY OVERSEAS FORCES CAUSED BY OVERSEAS FORCES ESPECIALLY CHINA AND MAY HAVE ESPECIALLY CHINA AND MAY HAVE HELPED TRUMP GET ELECTED AND HELPED TRUMP GET ELECTED AND COST HILLARY CLINTON THE WHITE COST HILLARY CLINTON THE WHITE HOUSE. HOUSE. YOU COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT DOESN’T BECOME A TECHNICAL DOESN’T BECOME A TECHNICAL RECESSION BUT DOES A LOT OF RECESSION BUT DOES A LOT OF DAMAGE IN THE HEARTLAND OF THE DAMAGE IN THE HEARTLAND OF THE U.S. U.S.>>CAN DEMOCRATS, CONGRESSWOMAN>>CAN DEMOCRATS, CONGRESSWOMAN ACTUALLY CAPITALIZE ON THIS? ACTUALLY CAPITALIZE ON THIS? I WANT TO SHARE WHAT THE I WANT TO SHARE WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID AT A RALLY LAST PRESIDENT SAID AT A RALLY LAST WEEK. WEEK.>>THE BOTTOM LINE IS I KNOW YOU>>THE BOTTOM LINE IS I KNOW YOU LIKE ME AND THIS ROOM IS A LOVE LIKE ME AND THIS ROOM IS A LOVE FEST. FEST. I KNOW THAT. I KNOW THAT. BUT YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO BUT YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO VOTE FOR ME BECAUSE YOUR 401(K)s VOTE FOR ME BECAUSE YOUR 401(K)s DOWN THE TUBES, EVERYTHING DOWN DOWN THE TUBES, EVERYTHING DOWN THE TUBES, SO WHETHER YOU LOVE THE TUBES, SO WHETHER YOU LOVE ME OR HATE ME YOU GOT TO VOTE ME OR HATE ME YOU GOT TO VOTE FOR ME. FOR ME.>>THIS THE ARGUMENT HE KEEPS>>THIS THE ARGUMENT HE KEEPS MAKING. MAKING. THE NEW “WALL STREET JOURNAL” THE NEW “WALL STREET JOURNAL” POLL SAYS 49% OF AMERICANS STILL POLL SAYS 49% OF AMERICANS STILL APPROVE OF HIS HANDLING OF THE APPROVE OF HIS HANDLING OF THE ECONOMY. ECONOMY. YOU JUST WALKED US THROUGH HOW YOU JUST WALKED US THROUGH HOW THERE’S BEEN MISHANDLING OF THE THERE’S BEEN MISHANDLING OF THE ECONOMY. ECONOMY. WHY AREN’T DEMOCRATS SEIZING ON WHY AREN’T DEMOCRATS SEIZING ON THIS WHEN JOE BIDEN TALKS ABOUT THIS WHEN JOE BIDEN TALKS ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORAL LEADERSHIP THE NEED FOR MORAL LEADERSHIP THE PRESIDENT RESPONDS BY SAYING THE PRESIDENT RESPONDS BY SAYING YOU WANT MORALITY OR YOU WANT YOU WANT MORALITY OR YOU WANT YOUR MONEY? YOUR MONEY? AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT SAY IT AT DINNER PARTIES BUT NOT SAY IT AT DINNER PARTIES BUT WHEN THEY GO HOME THEY START TO WHEN THEY GO HOME THEY START TO SAY, I NEED TO PROTECT MY SAY, I NEED TO PROTECT MY 401(K). 401(K). AND THEY BELIEVE IT. AND THEY BELIEVE IT.>>I THINK IF YOU WANT MORALITY>>I THINK IF YOU WANT MORALITY AND GOOD FISCAL LEADERSHIP YOU AND GOOD FISCAL LEADERSHIP YOU WANT A DEMOCRAT IN THE WHITE WANT A DEMOCRAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE BECAUSE WHAT WE’RE SEEING HOUSE BECAUSE WHAT WE’RE SEEING IN NEW JERSEY AND IT IS IN NEW JERSEY AND IT IS INTERESTING YOU JUST PLAYED THAT INTERESTING YOU JUST PLAYED THAT CLIP FROM MORRISTOWN. CLIP FROM MORRISTOWN. THAT IS IN MY DISTRICT. THAT IS IN MY DISTRICT. I WISH THE PRESIDENT HAD LEFT I WISH THE PRESIDENT HAD LEFT THE AIR STRIP AND GONE TO TALK THE AIR STRIP AND GONE TO TALK TO PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT BECAUSE TO PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT BECAUSE HE WOULD REALIZE THE ECONOMIC HE WOULD REALIZE THE ECONOMIC HARM HE IS DOING ACROSS THE HARM HE IS DOING ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY, YOU COUNTRY TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DO HAVE JOBS. KNOW, THEY DO HAVE JOBS. WE DO HAVE EMPLOYMENT. WE DO HAVE EMPLOYMENT. BUT PEOPLE AREN’T RECEIVING THE BUT PEOPLE AREN’T RECEIVING THE PAYCHECKS THEY WERE SEVERAL PAYCHECKS THEY WERE SEVERAL YEARS AGO. YEARS AGO.>>THEN WHY DOES HE HAVE SUCH A>>THEN WHY DOES HE HAVE SUCH A HIGH APPROVAL RATING WHEN IT HIGH APPROVAL RATING WHEN IT COMES TO HOW HE IS HANDLING THE COMES TO HOW HE IS HANDLING THE ECONOMY? ECONOMY?>>I THINK WE ARE STARTING TO>>I THINK WE ARE STARTING TO SEE THE CRACKS IN THAT. SEE THE CRACKS IN THAT. THIS IS WHERE THE RUBBER IS THIS IS WHERE THE RUBBER IS MEETING THE ROAD. MEETING THE ROAD. IT’S TAKEN A WHILE. IT’S TAKEN A WHILE. IT TAKES A WHILE AS I THINK A IT TAKES A WHILE AS I THINK A COMMENTATOR SAID EARLIER THIS COMMENTATOR SAID EARLIER THIS MORNING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU’RE MORNING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU’RE MOVING A SHIP, IT TAKES A LITTLE MOVING A SHIP, IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOR THE RESULTS TO BIT OF TIME FOR THE RESULTS TO BE FELT. BE FELT. WE’RE STARTING TO FEEL THE WE’RE STARTING TO FEEL THE RESULTS OF HIS POLICIES NOW. RESULTS OF HIS POLICIES NOW.>>PHIL, LET’S GO WITH A LITTLE>>PHIL, LET’S GO WITH A LITTLE PALACE INTRIGUE. PALACE INTRIGUE. YOU AND I BOTH KNOW FROM OUR OWN YOU AND I BOTH KNOW FROM OUR OWN REPORTING THAT THE PRESIDENT’S REPORTING THAT THE PRESIDENT’S ADVISERS LOOK TO GO TO GREAT ADVISERS LOOK TO GO TO GREAT LENGTHS TO FIND ARTICLES AND LENGTHS TO FIND ARTICLES AND DATA TO PLEASE THE PRESIDENT, TO DATA TO PLEASE THE PRESIDENT, TO SUPPORT HIS POINT OF VIEW. SUPPORT HIS POINT OF VIEW. HOW DANGEROUS IS IT RIGHT NOW HOW DANGEROUS IS IT RIGHT NOW THAT THAT IS CONTINUING TO BE THAT THAT IS CONTINUING TO BE THE CASE? THE CASE? AND WHEN THE PRESIDENT LOOKS AT AND WHEN THE PRESIDENT LOOKS AT DATA THAT HE DOESN’T LIKE, HE IS DATA THAT HE DOESN’T LIKE, HE IS NOW CLAIMING IT’S BEING NOW CLAIMING IT’S BEING MANIPULATED. MANIPULATED.>>YEAH, WELL THAT IS SPOT ON,>>YEAH, WELL THAT IS SPOT ON, STEPH. STEPH. MY REPORTING LAST WEEK SHOWS MY REPORTING LAST WEEK SHOWS THAT LARRY KUDLOW, THE ECONOMIC THAT LARRY KUDLOW, THE ECONOMIC ADVISER IN THE WHITE HOUSE, HAS ADVISER IN THE WHITE HOUSE, HAS BEEN PRESENTING A FAIRLY SUNNY BEEN PRESENTING A FAIRLY SUNNY OUTLOOK ABOUT THE ECONOMY TO THE OUTLOOK ABOUT THE ECONOMY TO THE PRESIDENT, SHOWING HIM GOOD PRESIDENT, SHOWING HIM GOOD DATA, TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO HIM DATA, TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO HIM WHY HE DOESN’T THINK A RECESSION WHY HE DOESN’T THINK A RECESSION IS IN THE OFFING. IS IN THE OFFING. AND IT CONFLICTS WITH OF COURSE AND IT CONFLICTS WITH OF COURSE WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS CONSUMING WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS CONSUMING ON TELEVISION AND WHAT HE’S ON TELEVISION AND WHAT HE’S READING IN NEWSPAPERS. READING IN NEWSPAPERS. AND THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN AND THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN TELLING FRIENDS THAT HE THINKS TELLING FRIENDS THAT HE THINKS THERE’S A CONSPIRACY AT PLAY THERE’S A CONSPIRACY AT PLAY HERE. HERE. THAT HE THINKS THE NEWS MEDIA IS THAT HE THINKS THE NEWS MEDIA IS PUMPING UP THE IDEA OF A PUMPING UP THE IDEA OF A RECESSION USING FAULTY DATA AND, RECESSION USING FAULTY DATA AND, IMPORTANTLY, HE DOESN’T BELIEVE IMPORTANTLY, HE DOESN’T BELIEVE ALL OF THE ECONOMIC STATISTICS ALL OF THE ECONOMIC STATISTICS HE SEES BECAUSE HE THINKS HE SEES BECAUSE HE THINKS ECONOMISTS ARE ELITES AND OUT TO ECONOMISTS ARE ELITES AND OUT TO GET HIM AND ARE USING AN GET HIM AND ARE USING AN ANTI-TRUMP BIAS WITH THEIR ANTI-TRUMP BIAS WITH THEIR NUMBERS TO TRY TO DERAIL HIS NUMBERS TO TRY TO DERAIL HIS RE-ELECTION HOPES. RE-ELECTION HOPES.>>PAUL SINGER, MASSIVE>>PAUL SINGER, MASSIVE REPUBLICAN WHO RUNS ELLIOTT REPUBLICAN WHO RUNS ELLIOTT MANAGEMENT JUST LAST WEEK MANAGEMENT JUST LAST WEEK WARNING OF A HUGE ECONOMIC WARNING OF A HUGE ECONOMIC SLOWDOWN. SLOWDOWN. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TEAM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TEAM SURROUNDING THE PRESIDENT. SURROUNDING THE PRESIDENT. PETER NAVARRO, LARRY KUDLOW, PETER NAVARRO, LARRY KUDLOW, STEVE MNUCHIN. STEVE MNUCHIN. “THE WASHINGTON POST” RAN “THE WASHINGTON POST” RAN MULTIPLE OP EDS THIS WEEKEND MULTIPLE OP EDS THIS WEEKEND CALLING THEM MEN WITHOUT A PLAN. CALLING THEM MEN WITHOUT A PLAN. GIVE US A BIT OF HISTORICAL GIVE US A BIT OF HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE. PERSPECTIVE. I HAD A GUEST LAST WEEK WHO SAID I HAD A GUEST LAST WEEK WHO SAID PRESIDENTS OBAMA AND BUSH IN PRESIDENTS OBAMA AND BUSH IN TIMES OF CRISIS WERE SURROUNDED TIMES OF CRISIS WERE SURROUNDED BY NBA ALL STAR TEAMS AND BY NBA ALL STAR TEAMS AND PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS THE HARLEM PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS THE HARLEM GLOBETROTTERS. GLOBETROTTERS.>>YOU HAVE AN UNUSUAL MOMENT>>YOU HAVE AN UNUSUAL MOMENT WHERE IT IS NOT JUST THAT THOSE WHERE IT IS NOT JUST THAT THOSE THREE LEADERS ARE NOT AS TESTED THREE LEADERS ARE NOT AS TESTED AND EXPERIENCED WITH KIND OF THE AND EXPERIENCED WITH KIND OF THE MECHANISMS OF GOVERNMENT AND HOW MECHANISMS OF GOVERNMENT AND HOW YOU USE THOSE TO TRY AND DEAL YOU USE THOSE TO TRY AND DEAL WITH ECONOMIC CHALLENGES BUT WITH ECONOMIC CHALLENGES BUT ALSO THE LEVEL UNDER THEM IS ALSO THE LEVEL UNDER THEM IS UNDER STAFFED. UNDER STAFFED. IF YOU GO TO TREASURY, GO TO THE IF YOU GO TO TREASURY, GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE, A LOT OF THE MID WHITE HOUSE, A LOT OF THE MID LEVEL JOBS ARE NOT AS STAFFED AS LEVEL JOBS ARE NOT AS STAFFED AS IN THE PAST. IN THE PAST. WHATEVER YOU THINK OF THE BUSH WHATEVER YOU THINK OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION WHEN THE CRISIS ADMINISTRATION WHEN THE CRISIS HAPPENED IN 2007, 2008, THEY HAPPENED IN 2007, 2008, THEY KIND OF CAST IDEOLOGY ASIDE, DID KIND OF CAST IDEOLOGY ASIDE, DID SOME BAIL OUTS THAT THEY DIDN’T SOME BAIL OUTS THAT THEY DIDN’T LIKE DOING. LIKE DOING. THEY DID SOME FISCAL STIMULUS THEY DID SOME FISCAL STIMULUS THEY DIDN’T LIKE DOING BUT THEY THEY DIDN’T LIKE DOING BUT THEY SAW DAMAGE AND RISK TO THE SAW DAMAGE AND RISK TO THE ECONOMY AND PULLED THE TRIGGERS ECONOMY AND PULLED THE TRIGGERS AND DID THOSE THINGS. AND DID THOSE THINGS. THE QUESTION IS, IF THINGS TAKE
DEADLINE WITH NICOLE WALLACE STARTS RIGHT NOW. STARTS RIGHT NOW.>>>HI, EVERYONE, IT’S 4:00 IN>>>HI, EVERYONE, IT’S 4:00 IN WASHINGTON, D.C. WHERE TODAY TWO WASHINGTON, D.C. WHERE TODAY TWO MEN ARE IN DAMAGE CONTROL MODE MEN ARE IN DAMAGE CONTROL MODE OVER THEIR TIES TO JEFFREY OVER THEIR TIES TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN. THE BILLIONAIRE WHO IS INDICTED THE BILLIONAIRE WHO IS INDICTED YESTERDAY ON SEX TRAFFICKING YESTERDAY ON SEX TRAFFICKING CHARGES. CHARGES. DONALD TRUMP DOUBLING DOWN TODAY DONALD TRUMP DOUBLING DOWN TODAY IN SUCH HIS SECRETARY OF LABOR. IN SUCH HIS SECRETARY OF LABOR.>>I CAN TELL YOU THAT FOR 2 1/2>>I CAN TELL YOU THAT FOR 2 1/2 YEARS HE’S BEEN JUST AN YEARS HE’S BEEN JUST AN EXCELLENT SECRETARY OF LABOR. EXCELLENT SECRETARY OF LABOR. HE’S DONE A FANTASTIC JOB. HE’S DONE A FANTASTIC JOB. WHAT HAPPENED 12 OR 15 YEARS AGO WHAT HAPPENED 12 OR 15 YEARS AGO WITH RESPECT TO WHEN HE WAS A WITH RESPECT TO WHEN HE WAS A U.S. ATTORNEY I THINK MANY U.S. ATTORNEY I THINK MANY MIAMI — IS IT MIAMI? MIAMI — IS IT MIAMI?>>YES.>>YES.>>YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO BACK AND>>YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT EVERYBODY ELSE’S LOOK AT EVERYBODY ELSE’S DECISIONS, WHETHER IT’S A U.S. DECISIONS, WHETHER IT’S A U.S. ATTORNEY OR AN ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY OR AN ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY OR A JUDGE, YOU GO BACK ATTORNEY OR A JUDGE, YOU GO BACK 12 OR 15 YEARS AGO OR 20 YEARS 12 OR 15 YEARS AGO OR 20 YEARS AGO AND LOOK AT THEIR PAST AGO AND LOOK AT THEIR PAST DECISIONS, I WOULD THINK YOU’D DECISIONS, I WOULD THINK YOU’D PROBABLY FIND THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY FIND THAT THEY WOULD WISH THEY MAYBE DID IT A WISH THEY MAYBE DID IT A DIFFERENT WAY. DIFFERENT WAY. I DO HEAR THAT THERE WERE A LOT I DO HEAR THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THAT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THAT DECISION, NOT JUST HIM. DECISION, NOT JUST HIM.>>DEMOCRATS, INCLUDING THE TOP>>DEMOCRATS, INCLUDING THE TOP DEMOCRAT IN THE SENATE, CHUCK DEMOCRAT IN THE SENATE, CHUCK SCHUMER, SENDING A VERY SCHUMER, SENDING A VERY DIFFERENT TUNE OR ACOSTA CALLING DIFFERENT TUNE OR ACOSTA CALLING FOR HIS RESIGNATION OR FIRING. FOR HIS RESIGNATION OR FIRING.>>I AM CALLING ON SECRETARY>>I AM CALLING ON SECRETARY ACOSTA TO RESIGN. ACOSTA TO RESIGN. IT IS NOW IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYONE IT IS NOW IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN SECRETARY TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN SECRETARY ACOSTA’S ABILITY TO LEAD THE ACOSTA’S ABILITY TO LEAD THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR. DEPARTMENT OF LABOR. IF HE REFUSES TO RESIGN, IF HE REFUSES TO RESIGN, PRESIDENT TRUMP SHOULD FIRE HIM. PRESIDENT TRUMP SHOULD FIRE HIM.>>FOR HIS PART, ACOSTA IS>>FOR HIS PART, ACOSTA IS SPINNING FOR HIS REPUTATION AND SPINNING FOR HIS REPUTATION AND QUITE POSSIBLY FOR HIS JOB. QUITE POSSIBLY FOR HIS JOB. FOR A PRESIDENT WHO LOOKS DOWN FOR A PRESIDENT WHO LOOKS DOWN UPON BAD PRESS FROM ANY MEMBER UPON BAD PRESS FROM ANY MEMBER OF HIS CABINET. OF HIS CABINET. ACOSTA THIS MORNING TWEETING A ACOSTA THIS MORNING TWEETING A DEFENSE OF THE DEAL HE STRUCK DEFENSE OF THE DEAL HE STRUCK WITH EPSTEIN IN 2008. WITH EPSTEIN IN 2008. HE WROTE THIS, QUOTE, THE CRIMES HE WROTE THIS, QUOTE, THE CRIMES COMMITTED BY EPSTEIN ARE COMMITTED BY EPSTEIN ARE HORRIFIC AND I’M PLEASED THAT HORRIFIC AND I’M PLEASED THAT NEW YORK PROSECUTORS ARE MOVING NEW YORK PROSECUTORS ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CASE BASED ON FORWARD WITH THE CASE BASED ON NEW EVIDENCE. NEW EVIDENCE. BUT THE EVIDENCE AVAILABLE MORE BUT THE EVIDENCE AVAILABLE MORE THAN A DECADE AGO, FEDERAL THAN A DECADE AGO, FEDERAL PROSECUTORS INSISTED THAT PROSECUTORS INSISTED THAT EPSTEIN GO TO JAIL, REGISTER AS EPSTEIN GO TO JAIL, REGISTER AS A SEX OFFENDER, PUT THE WORLD ON A SEX OFFENDER, PUT THE WORLD ON NOTICE THAT HE WAS A SEXUAL NOTICE THAT HE WAS A SEXUAL PREDATOR. PREDATOR. NOW, THE NEW EVIDENCE AND NOW, THE NEW EVIDENCE AND ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY IS ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY IS AVAILABLE, THE NEW YORK AVAILABLE, THE NEW YORK PROSECUTION OFFERS AN IMPORTANT PROSECUTION OFFERS AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY TO MORE FULLY BRING OPPORTUNITY TO MORE FULLY BRING HIM TO JUSTICE. HIM TO JUSTICE. ACOSTA OFFERING NO SPECIFICS ACOSTA OFFERING NO SPECIFICS ABOUT WHAT EVIDENCE WOULD HAVE ABOUT WHAT EVIDENCE WOULD HAVE CHANGED HIS DECISION 11 YEARS CHANGED HIS DECISION 11 YEARS AGO TO GRANT EPSTEIN A DEAL THAT AGO TO GRANT EPSTEIN A DEAL THAT IS DESCRIBED THIS WAY IN THE IS DESCRIBED THIS WAY IN THE MIAMI HERALD. MIAMI HERALD. QUOTE, FACING A 53-PAGE FEDERAL QUOTE, FACING A 53-PAGE FEDERAL INDICTMENT, EPSTEIN COULD HAVE INDICTMENT, EPSTEIN COULD HAVE ENDED UP IN FEDERAL PRISON FOR ENDED UP IN FEDERAL PRISON FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. THE REST OF HIS LIFE. BUT ON THE MORNING OF A BUT ON THE MORNING OF A BREAKFAST MEETING, A DEAL WAS BREAKFAST MEETING, A DEAL WAS STRUCK. STRUCK. AN EXTRAORDINARY PLEA AGREEMENT AN EXTRAORDINARY PLEA AGREEMENT THAT WOULD CONCEAL THE FULL THAT WOULD CONCEAL THE FULL EXTENT OF EPSTEIN’S CRIMES. EXTENT OF EPSTEIN’S CRIMES. AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE INVOLVED. INVOLVED. NOT ONLY WOULD EPSTEIN SERVE NOT ONLY WOULD EPSTEIN SERVE JUST 13 MONTHS IN THE COUNTY JUST 13 MONTHS IN THE COUNTY JAIL, BUT THE DEAL CALLED A JAIL, BUT THE DEAL CALLED A NONPROSECUTION AGREEMENT, NONPROSECUTION AGREEMENT, ESSENTIALLY SHUTDOWN AN ON GOING ESSENTIALLY SHUTDOWN AN ON GOING FBI PROBE INTO WHETHER THERE FBI PROBE INTO WHETHER THERE WERE MORE VICTIMS AND OTHER WERE MORE VICTIMS AND OTHER POWERFUL PEOPLE WHO TOOK PART IN POWERFUL PEOPLE WHO TOOK PART IN EPSTEIN’S SEX CRIMES. EPSTEIN’S SEX CRIMES. NOW THAT IS WHAT ACOSTA IS TODAY NOW THAT IS WHAT ACOSTA IS TODAY TRYING TO DEFEND. TRYING TO DEFEND. THAT IS WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS NOW THAT IS WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS NOW ASSOCIATED WITH. ASSOCIATED WITH. AS WELL AS HEADLINES LIKE THIS AS WELL AS HEADLINES LIKE THIS ONE FROM TODAY’S “WASHINGTON ONE FROM TODAY’S “WASHINGTON POST.” POST.” QUOTE. QUOTE. TRUMP CALLED EPSTEIN A TERRIFIC TRUMP CALLED EPSTEIN A TERRIFIC GUY WHO ENJOYED YOUNGER WOMEN GUY WHO ENJOYED YOUNGER WOMEN BEFORE DENYING A RELATIONSHIP BEFORE DENYING A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. WITH HIM. THAT MAY EXPLAIN TRUMP’S EFFORTS THAT MAY EXPLAIN TRUMP’S EFFORTS TO PUT TIME AND DISTANCE BETWEEN TO PUT TIME AND DISTANCE BETWEEN HIMSELF AND EPSTEIN. HIMSELF AND EPSTEIN.>>WELL, I KNEW HIM LIKE>>WELL, I KNEW HIM LIKE EVERYBODY IN PALM BEACH KNEW EVERYBODY IN PALM BEACH KNEW HIM. HIM. HE WAS A FIXTURE IN PALM BEACH. HE WAS A FIXTURE IN PALM BEACH. I HAD A FALLING OUT WITH HIM A I HAD A FALLING OUT WITH HIM A LONG TIME AGO. LONG TIME AGO. I DON’T THINK I SPOKE TO HIM IN I DON’T THINK I SPOKE TO HIM IN 15 YEARS. 15 YEARS. I WASN’T A FAN. I WASN’T A FAN.>>HA IS WHERE WE START TODAY>>HA IS WHERE WE START TODAY WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. JOINING US FROM THE WASHINGTON JOINING US FROM THE WASHINGTON POST, ASHLEY PARKER. POST, ASHLEY PARKER. WITH US AT THE TABLE, FORMER WITH US AT THE TABLE, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY AND SENIOR FBI U.S. ATTORNEY AND SENIOR FBI OFFICIAL CHUCK ROSENBERG. OFFICIAL CHUCK ROSENBERG. HEIDI, AND FORTHER DEMOCRATIC HEIDI, AND FORTHER DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSWOMAN DONNA EDWARDS AND CONGRESSWOMAN DONNA EDWARDS AND FORMER SENIOR ADVISER TO FORMER SENIOR ADVISER TO PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH, AND PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH, AND THE AUTHOR OF THE NEW BOOK “THE THE AUTHOR OF THE NEW BOOK “THE DEATH OF POLITICS” PETE WENGER DEATH OF POLITICS” PETE WENGER IS HERE. IS HERE. CHUCK, I WANT TO START WITH YOU. CHUCK, I WANT TO START WITH YOU. I DON’T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN TO I DON’T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN TO ANYONE HOW ALL OF THE ANYONE HOW ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS AVAILABLE INFORMATION THAT WAS AVAILABLE IN THAT 53-PAGE INDICTMENT IN THAT 53-PAGE INDICTMENT THAT’S DESCRIBED IN THE MIAMI THAT’S DESCRIBED IN THE MIAMI HERALD’S FANTASTIC BODY OF HERALD’S FANTASTIC BODY OF REPORTING REPRESENTS SOME SHARP REPORTING REPRESENTS SOME SHARP DEPARTURE FROM WHAT THEY WOULD DEPARTURE FROM WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE FOUND OUT IN THE SOUTHERN HAVE FOUND OUT IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SOUTHERN SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK INDICTMENT, DISTRICT OF NEW YORK INDICTMENT, THE CHARGED CONDUCT PLAYS THE CHARGED CONDUCT PLAYS BETWEEN 2002 AND 2005. BETWEEN 2002 AND 2005. THE NONPROSECUTION AGREEMENT IN THE NONPROSECUTION AGREEMENT IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, NICOLE, THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, NICOLE, THAT WAS IN 2007. THAT WAS IN 2007. SO ON THE SURFACE, ON THE FACE SO ON THE SURFACE, ON THE FACE OF IT IT SEEMS REALLY ODD TO ME OF IT IT SEEMS REALLY ODD TO ME BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT MOST OF BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT MOST OF THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO NEW THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO NEW YORK TOOK PLACE LONG BEFORE THE YORK TOOK PLACE LONG BEFORE THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA RESOLVED THE CASE. RESOLVED THE CASE. AND THEY RESOLVED IT IN A REALLY AND THEY RESOLVED IT IN A REALLY ODD WAY. ODD WAY. FEDERAL PROSECUTORS ARE NOT SHY FEDERAL PROSECUTORS ARE NOT SHY ABOUT BRINGING CHARGES AGAINST ABOUT BRINGING CHARGES AGAINST PEDESTRIAN FILES, WHICH WHAT PEDESTRIAN FILES, WHICH WHAT EPSTEIN IS. EPSTEIN IS. AND NOT JUST ALLEGEDLY. AND NOT JUST ALLEGEDLY. HE EDPLED GUILTY IN FLORIDA TO HE EDPLED GUILTY IN FLORIDA TO CHARGES. CHARGES.>>HE’S AN ADMITTED CONVICTED>>HE’S AN ADMITTED CONVICTED PEDOPHILE. PEDOPHILE.>>YOU’D HAVE TO THINK THAT THE>>YOU’D HAVE TO THINK THAT THE FBI DIDN’T KNOW EVERYTHING IT FBI DIDN’T KNOW EVERYTHING IT KNOWS NOW THEN. KNOWS NOW THEN. SURE, NEW STUFF COMES IN, MORE SURE, NEW STUFF COMES IN, MORE WITNESSES COME FORWARD, THAT WITNESSES COME FORWARD, THAT HAPPENS. HAPPENS. BUT THE HEART OF THE CASE WAS — BUT THE HEART OF THE CASE WAS — THE HEART OF THE CASE, WHAT THE THE HEART OF THE CASE, WHAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA HAD SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA HAD BEFORE THEY AGREED TO THAT BEFORE THEY AGREED TO THAT NONPROSECUTION AGREEMENT WAS NONPROSECUTION AGREEMENT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE. ALREADY IN PLACE.>>WHY WOULD THIS CASE BE>>WHY WOULD THIS CASE BE REOPENED BY THE SOUTHERN REOPENED BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IF NOT SOME DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IF NOT SOME ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THE JOB ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THE JOB THAT NOW SECRETARY ACOSTA DID THAT NOW SECRETARY ACOSTA DID WAS INADEQUATE? WAS INADEQUATE?>>SO SOME CONTEXT.>>SO SOME CONTEXT. FOR ANOTHER FEDERAL DISTRICT TO FOR ANOTHER FEDERAL DISTRICT TO OPEN A CHASE KASE THAT’S BEEN OPEN A CHASE KASE THAT’S BEEN RESOLVED ELSEWHERE IS HIGHLY RESOLVED ELSEWHERE IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL. UNUSUAL. NOT UNHEARD OF, BUT HIGHLY NOT UNHEARD OF, BUT HIGHLY UNUSUAL. UNUSUAL. THERE’S A DEGREE OR KOTY. THERE’S A DEGREE OR KOTY. AND WHERE A CASE IS RESOLVED AND WHERE A CASE IS RESOLVED APPROPRIATELY, YOU WOULD NOT SEE APPROPRIATELY, YOU WOULD NOT SEE ANOTHER PROSECUTOR’S OFFICE ANOTHER PROSECUTOR’S OFFICE PICKING IT UP. PICKING IT UP. WHAT HAPPENED HERE WAS THAT THE WHAT HAPPENED HERE WAS THAT THE CASE WAS NOT APPROPRIATELY CASE WAS NOT APPROPRIATELY RESOLVED. RESOLVED. AND GOT BLESS THE PROSECUTORS IN AND GOT BLESS THE PROSECUTORS IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. YORK. THEY HAVE AN ENTREPRENEURIAL THEY HAVE AN ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT. SPIRIT.>>THANK GOD.>>THANK GOD.>>BECAUSE THEY SAW THAT JUSTICE>>BECAUSE THEY SAW THAT JUSTICE WAS NOT DONE AND THEY’RE GOING WAS NOT DONE AND THEY’RE GOING TO DO IT. TO DO IT. SO IT’S NOT TYPICAL, IT’S HIGHLY SO IT’S NOT TYPICAL, IT’S HIGHLY UNUSUAL. UNUSUAL. THERE IS THAT COMITY THAT I THERE IS THAT COMITY THAT I MENTIONED BETWEEN VARIOUS MENTIONED BETWEEN VARIOUS DISTRICTS WHERE SOMETHING BROKE, DISTRICTS WHERE SOMETHING BROKE, JUSTICE WASN’T DUB, ANOTHER U.S. JUSTICE WASN’T DUB, ANOTHER U.S. ATTORNEY STEPPED IN AND IS GOING ATTORNEY STEPPED IN AND IS GOING TO SEE HA IT’S DONE PROPERLY TO SEE HA IT’S DONE PROPERLY HAVE SOME NOW THIS EXTRAORDINARY HAVE SOME NOW THIS EXTRAORDINARY PLEA AGREEMENT, HE WAS CONVICTED PLEA AGREEMENT, HE WAS CONVICTED OF SOLICITING PROSTITUTION. OF SOLICITING PROSTITUTION. YOU DESCRIBED HIM AS A YOU DESCRIBED HIM AS A PEDOPHILE. PEDOPHILE. DO YOU THINK HE’LL BE CHARGED DO YOU THINK HE’LL BE CHARGED WITH THE SEX ACTS OF UNDERAGE WITH THE SEX ACTS OF UNDERAGE WOMEN BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT WOMEN BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK? OF NEW YORK?>>THE PLEA AGREEMENT WAS IN>>THE PLEA AGREEMENT WAS IN STATE COURT. STATE COURT. THE RESOLUTION IN FLORIDA WAS A THE RESOLUTION IN FLORIDA WAS A NONFEDERAL AGREEMENT. NONFEDERAL AGREEMENT. THEY SAID WE’RE NOT TOUCHING THEY SAID WE’RE NOT TOUCHING THIS. THIS. WHAT HE HAS BEEN CHARGED IN THE WHAT HE HAS BEEN CHARGED IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IS SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IS SEX TRAFFICKING AND CONSPIRACY SEX TRAFFICKING AND CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT SEX TRAFFICKING. TO COMMIT SEX TRAFFICKING.>>WITH MINORS.>>WITH MINORS.>>WITH WOMEN BETWEEN THE AGES>>WITH WOMEN BETWEEN THE AGES OF 14 AND 16, SO, YEAH, WITH OF 14 AND 16, SO, YEAH, WITH MINORS, YOU BET. MINORS, YOU BET. VERY SERIOUS CHARGES WHICH WILL, VERY SERIOUS CHARGES WHICH WILL, IF CONVICTED, PUT HIM IN JAIL IF CONVICTED, PUT HIM IN JAIL FOR THE REST HIS LIFE. FOR THE REST HIS LIFE.>>WE HAD A TWEET YESTERDAY>>WE HAD A TWEET YESTERDAY SAYING TONIGHT DONALD TRUMP HAS SAYING TONIGHT DONALD TRUMP HAS THREE FRIENDS IN JAIL. THREE FRIENDS IN JAIL. I NOTICED THE PRESIDENT’S I NOTICED THE PRESIDENT’S EFFORTS DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM EFFORTS DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM EPSTEIN BUT NOT THE CONDUCT. EPSTEIN BUT NOT THE CONDUCT. HE DESCRIBED A FALLINGOUT 15 HE DESCRIBED A FALLINGOUT 15 YEARS AGO. YEARS AGO. WHAT IS THE WHITE HOUSE FRAME OF WHAT IS THE WHITE HOUSE FRAME OF MIND TODAY ABOUT ACOSTA’S MIND TODAY ABOUT ACOSTA’S HANDLING OF THE CASE AS CHUCK HANDLING OF THE CASE AS CHUCK ROSENBERG WAS JUST DESCRIBING ROSENBERG WAS JUST DESCRIBING HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE AND HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE AND JUSTIFIABLY RECEIVING RENEWED JUSTIFIABLY RECEIVING RENEWED SCRUTINY, INCLUDING FROM SCRUTINY, INCLUDING FROM PROSECUTORS IN THE SOUTHERN PROSECUTORS IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AS WELL AS DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AS WELL AS HIS OWN ASSOCIATIONS ABND PHOTOS HIS OWN ASSOCIATIONS ABND PHOTOS ALONGSIDE JEFFREY EPSTEIN? ALONGSIDE JEFFREY EPSTEIN?>>AS OF NOW OUR UNDERSTANDING>>AS OF NOW OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PRESIDENT REMAINS IS THAT THE PRESIDENT REMAINS LOYAL TO ACOSTA. LOYAL TO ACOSTA. BUT, PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE BUT, PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE WARN THAT AS WITH MOST THINGS WARN THAT AS WITH MOST THINGS WITH THIS PRESIDENT THAT CAN WITH THIS PRESIDENT THAT CAN SWITCH ON A MOMENT’S NOTICE. SWITCH ON A MOMENT’S NOTICE. AS YOU POINTED OUT, THE AS YOU POINTED OUT, THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT LIKE BAD PRESIDENT DOES NOT LIKE BAD PRESS. PRESS. AND SO THERE IS A SENSE THAT AND SO THERE IS A SENSE THAT THERE MAY BE A FINITE PERIOD THERE MAY BE A FINITE PERIOD WHERE HE IS WILLING TO TOLERATE WHERE HE IS WILLING TO TOLERATE THESE BAD HEADLINES THAT HAVE THESE BAD HEADLINES THAT HAVE DOMINATED CABLE NEWS, WHICH IS DOMINATED CABLE NEWS, WHICH IS THE VENUE IS HE MOST FASCINATED THE VENUE IS HE MOST FASCINATED IN BY, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL DAY IN BY, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL DAY TODAY, IT LOOKS LIKE INTO TODAY, IT LOOKS LIKE INTO TOMORROW AT VERY LEAST. TOMORROW AT VERY LEAST. ALTHOUGH THE FLIP SIDE IS THERE ALTHOUGH THE FLIP SIDE IS THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER EMBATTLED HAVE BEEN OTHER EMBATTLED CABINET MEMBERS FOR DIFFERENT CABINET MEMBERS FOR DIFFERENT REASONS WHO IF HE HAS A REAL REASONS WHO IF HE HAS A REAL PERSONAL CONNECTION WITH PEOPLE, PERSONAL CONNECTION WITH PEOPLE, SCOTT PRUITT IS AN EXAMPLE, HE SCOTT PRUITT IS AN EXAMPLE, HE WILL SORT OF TOLERATE MONTHS OF WILL SORT OF TOLERATE MONTHS OF BAD HEADLINES BEFORE HE PULLS BAD HEADLINES BEFORE HE PULLS THE PLUG. THE PLUG. THERE’S A LITTLE BIT OF THERE’S A LITTLE BIT OF UNCERTAINTY. UNCERTAINTY. I WILL SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT’S I WILL SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT’S CHIEF OF STAFF MICK MULVANEY IS CHIEF OF STAFF MICK MULVANEY IS CLASHING WITH ACOSTA FOR REASONS CLASHING WITH ACOSTA FOR REASONS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. THIS. HE BELIEVES THAT ACOSTA HAS NOT HE BELIEVES THAT ACOSTA HAS NOT BEEN FORCEFULLY OR EFFICIENTLY BEEN FORCEFULLY OR EFFICIENTLY ENOUGH PRESSING THE PRESIDENT’S ENOUGH PRESSING THE PRESIDENT’S DEREGULATION AGENDA, UNDOING DEREGULATION AGENDA, UNDOING SOME OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SOME OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION POLICIES. POLICIES. AND SO IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO’S AND SO IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO’S A LITTLE TENUOUS THIS MIGHT IN A LITTLE TENUOUS THIS MIGHT IN TERMS OF THE PALACE INTRIGUE AND TERMS OF THE PALACE INTRIGUE AND INFIGHTING GIVE MULVANEY OR INFIGHTING GIVE MULVANEY OR THOSE WHO AREN’T HUGE FANS OF THOSE WHO AREN’T HUGE FANS OF HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUSH HIM HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUSH HIM OUT. OUT. IT’S WORTH NOTING THE PRESIDENT IT’S WORTH NOTING THE PRESIDENT IS LOYAL NOW BUT HE COULD GO IS LOYAL NOW BUT HE COULD GO EITHER WAY. EITHER WAY. SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE ARE SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE ARE TELLING HIM TO DO SOMETHING, YOU TELLING HIM TO DO SOMETHING, YOU HAVE 0 TO FIRE HIM, WILL DOUBLE HAVE 0 TO FIRE HIM, WILL DOUBLE DOWN AND ENTRENCH HIMSELF AND DOWN AND ENTRENCH HIMSELF AND THAT WILL GIVE HIP REASON TO THAT WILL GIVE HIP REASON TO KEEP HIM. KEEP HIM. OR HE MIGHT GET FED UP AND OR HE MIGHT GET FED UP AND BECOME DISGUSTED WITH WHAT HE BECOME DISGUSTED WITH WHAT HE LEARNS ABOUT THE CASE AND LET LEARNS ABOUT THE CASE AND LET HIM GO AT SOME POINT. HIM GO AT SOME POINT.>>IT WOULD BE A FUNNY TIME TO>>IT WOULD BE A FUNNY TIME TO COME UP WITH A DEREGULATION COME UP WITH A DEREGULATION CRISIS. CRISIS. LET ME READ YOU SOME OF THE LET ME READ YOU SOME OF THE REPORTING FROM YOUR GREAT REPORTING FROM YOUR GREAT COLLEAGUES. COLLEAGUES. YOUR PAPER TODAY UNDER THE YOUR PAPER TODAY UNDER THE HEADLINE TRUMP CALLED EPSTEIN A HEADLINE TRUMP CALLED EPSTEIN A TERRIFIC GUY WHO ENJOYED YOUNGER TERRIFIC GUY WHO ENJOYED YOUNGER GIRLS BEFORE DENYING GIRLS BEFORE DENYING RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM REPORTS RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM REPORTS THIS, QUOTE, OUTSIDE OF TRUMP’S THIS, QUOTE, OUTSIDE OF TRUMP’S OWN WORDS, THERE’S CLEAR OWN WORDS, THERE’S CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT THE TWO MEN, EVIDENCE THAT THE TWO MEN, EPSTEIN AND TRUMP, BOTH MEMBERS EPSTEIN AND TRUMP, BOTH MEMBERS OF THE SAME HIGH-FLYING OF THE SAME HIGH-FLYING SOCIETIES IN MANHATTAN AND PALM SOCIETIES IN MANHATTAN AND PALM BEACH, SOCIALIZED TOGETHER IN BEACH, SOCIALIZED TOGETHER IN THE PAST. THE PAST. EPSTEIN VISITED TRUMP’S EPSTEIN VISITED TRUMP’S MAR-A-LAGO CLUB IN PALM BEACH MAR-A-LAGO CLUB IN PALM BEACH AND POISED FOR POSED FOR PHOTOS AND POISED FOR POSED FOR PHOTOS THERE. THERE. THE EPSTEIN’S ADDRESS BOOK THE EPSTEIN’S ADDRESS BOOK LEAKED BY AN EMPLOYEE IN 1999. LEAKED BY AN EMPLOYEE IN 1999. WHAT’S THE RESPONSE TO THAT. WHAT’S THE RESPONSE TO THAT.>>.>>.>>WELL, THE RELATIONSHIP DOES>>WELL, THE RELATIONSHIP DOES SEEM TO HAVE COOLED SLIGHTLY IN SEEM TO HAVE COOLED SLIGHTLY IN RECENT YEARS. RECENT YEARS. BUT THE TRUTH IS THIS IS KIND OF BUT THE TRUTH IS THIS IS KIND OF STANDARD BEHAVIOR FOR THIS STANDARD BEHAVIOR FOR THIS PRESIDENT, WHICH IS — WE DON’T PRESIDENT, WHICH IS — WE DON’T HAVE TIME TO LIST ALL OF THE HAVE TIME TO LIST ALL OF THE PEOPLE WITH WHOM THE PRESIDENT PEOPLE WITH WHOM THE PRESIDENT CLAIMS NOT TO KNOW. CLAIMS NOT TO KNOW. INCLUDING, FOR INTANSSTANCE, YOU INCLUDING, FOR INTANSSTANCE, YOU MENTIONED PAUL MANAFORT. MENTIONED PAUL MANAFORT. THE WAY THE PRESIDENT TALKS THE WAY THE PRESIDENT TALKS ABOUT HIM YOU WOULD THINK THEY ABOUT HIM YOU WOULD THINK THEY WERE CASUAL ACQUAINTANCES WHO WERE CASUAL ACQUAINTANCES WHO PASSED IN A RESTAURANT NOT THE PASSED IN A RESTAURANT NOT THE SECOND MANAGER OF HIS 2016 SECOND MANAGER OF HIS 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. HE SPEAKS THIS WAY OF MICHAEL HE SPEAKS THIS WAY OF MICHAEL WOLF WHO SPENT SIX MONTHS WOLF WHO SPENT SIX MONTHS SITTING IN THE WEST WING IN THE SITTING IN THE WEST WING IN THE EARLY DAYS OF HIS EARLY DAYS OF HIS ADMINISTRATION. ADMINISTRATION. HE’S SAID THIS ABOUT A NUMBER OF HE’S SAID THIS ABOUT A NUMBER OF WOMEN WHO HAVE ACCUSED HIM OF WOMEN WHO HAVE ACCUSED HIM OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT THAT BE HE’S SEXUAL MISCONDUCT THAT BE HE’S NEVER MET THEM OR SEEN THEM NEVER MET THEM OR SEEN THEM BEFORE AND THEN A PHOTO SURFACES BEFORE AND THEN A PHOTO SURFACES WITH HIM RIGHT NEXT TO THEM. WITH HIM RIGHT NEXT TO THEM. SO THE PRESIDENT DENYING A TLAP SO THE PRESIDENT DENYING A TLAP SEEMS TO CLEARLY EXIST AND SEEMS TO CLEARLY EXIST AND PHOTOS AND PAST STATEMENTS AND PHOTOS AND PAST STATEMENTS AND BEHAVIOR AND SOCIAL SITUATIONS BEHAVIOR AND SOCIAL SITUATIONS IS SORT OF WHAT HE DOES WHEN IT IS SORT OF WHAT HE DOES WHEN IT BECOMES CLEAR THAT NOW MIGHT BE BECOMES CLEAR THAT NOW MIGHT BE THE MOMENT TO KIND OF TRY TO THE MOMENT TO KIND OF TRY TO PUBLICLY CUT TIES. PUBLICLY CUT TIES. BUT IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT THAT BUT IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT THAT RELATIONSHIP NEVER EXISTED. RELATIONSHIP NEVER EXISTED.>>OKAY.>>OKAY. SO ASHLEY PARKER, THIS IS DONALD SO ASHLEY PARKER, THIS IS DONALD TRUMP IN THE I HARDLY KNEW HIM TRUMP IN THE I HARDLY KNEW HIM DEFENSE. DEFENSE.>>IT’S LIKE MANAFORT HAS>>IT’S LIKE MANAFORT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR CAMPAIGN. NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR CAMPAIGN. BUT I TELL YA, I FEEL A LITTLE BUT I TELL YA, I FEEL A LITTLE BADLY ABOUT IT. BADLY ABOUT IT.>>WHY DID YOU HIRE COMEY?>>WHY DID YOU HIRE COMEY?>>HE DID LOW LEVEL WORK.>>HE DID LOW LEVEL WORK. HE DID MORE PUBLIC RELATIONS HE DID MORE PUBLIC RELATIONS THAN HE DID LAW. THAN HE DID LAW. SEE PAPADOPOULOS TODAY. SEE PAPADOPOULOS TODAY. I DON’T KNOW HIM. I DON’T KNOW HIM. I DON’T KNOW HIM. I DON’T KNOW HIM. I SAW HIM SITTING IN ONE PICTURE I SAW HIM SITTING IN ONE PICTURE AT A TABLE WITH ME. AT A TABLE WITH ME. I DON’T KNOW HIM. I DON’T KNOW HIM. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WIKILEAKS, I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WIKILEAKS, IT’S NOT MY THING. IT’S NOT MY THING. IT’S NOT MY DEAL IN LIFE. IT’S NOT MY DEAL IN LIFE.>>IT’S NOT MY DEAL, IT’S NOT MY>>IT’S NOT MY DEAL, IT’S NOT MY THING, I HARDLY KNEW HIM? THING, I HARDLY KNEW HIM? WHO? WHO? JEFFREY WHO? JEFFREY WHO?>>I HARDLY KNEW YOU, HONEY.>>I HARDLY KNEW YOU, HONEY. TODAY IF YOU FOLLOW SOCIAL TODAY IF YOU FOLLOW SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU WILL FIND SO MANY MEDIA, YOU WILL FIND SO MANY PHOTOGRAPHS OF EPSTEIN AND TRUMP PHOTOGRAPHS OF EPSTEIN AND TRUMP TOGETHER IN VARIOUS KINDS OF TOGETHER IN VARIOUS KINDS OF SOCIAL SETTINGS. SOCIAL SETTINGS. BUT, AGAIN THERE ARE SORT OF BUT, AGAIN THERE ARE SORT OF MIRRORS WHAT TRUMP DOES. MIRRORS WHAT TRUMP DOES. HE COMPLETELY DISTANCES HIMSELF. HE COMPLETELY DISTANCES HIMSELF. IT’S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH ACOSTA IT’S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH ACOSTA AS WELL, IT’S JUST A MATTER OF AS WELL, IT’S JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THAT HAPPENS WHERE TIME BEFORE THAT HAPPENS WHERE HE SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT? HE SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT? IF I JUST KEEP SAYING I DON’T IF I JUST KEEP SAYING I DON’T KNOW YOU, THEN AT LEAST MY KNOW YOU, THEN AT LEAST MY PUBLIC WILL BELIEVE THAT I DON’T PUBLIC WILL BELIEVE THAT I DON’T KNOW YOU. KNOW YOU. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS FOLLOWS A AND, YOU KNOW, THIS FOLLOWS A PATTERN FOR DONALD TRUMP. PATTERN FOR DONALD TRUMP. AND I THINK THAT FOR THE HILL, AND I THINK THAT FOR THE HILL, FOR MEMBERS TO BE CALLING FOR FOR MEMBERS TO BE CALLING FOR ACOSTA’S REMOVAL IS APPROPRIATE, ACOSTA’S REMOVAL IS APPROPRIATE, BUT I’M WONDERING WHERE ARE ALL BUT I’M WONDERING WHERE ARE ALL THE REPUBLICANS WHO REPEATEDLY THE REPUBLICANS WHO REPEATEDLY STOOD UP IN THE FACE OF STOOD UP IN THE FACE OF INTERNATIONAL SEX TRAFFICKING INTERNATIONAL SEX TRAFFICKING VOTE ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY AROUND VOTE ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY AROUND LEGISLATION THERE AND ARE LEGISLATION THERE AND ARE ABSOLUTELY SILENT WHEN IT COMES ABSOLUTELY SILENT WHEN IT COMES TO ALEX ACOSTA? TO ALEX ACOSTA?>>THAT’S A PERFECT QUESTION FOR>>THAT’S A PERFECT QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU. WHERE ARE THEY? WHERE ARE THEY?>>WELL, THEY’RE NOWHERE TO BE>>WELL, THEY’RE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. FOUND. BUT THEY HAVEN’T BEEN ANYWHERE BUT THEY HAVEN’T BEEN ANYWHERE TO BE FOUND WITH DONALD TRUMP. TO BE FOUND WITH DONALD TRUMP. REMEMBER THE CONTEXT OF THIS REMEMBER THE CONTEXT OF THIS SECRETARY ACCOST IS IS ACCUSED SECRETARY ACCOST IS IS ACCUSED OF NO, SIR PROSECUTING A SEXUAL OF NO, SIR PROSECUTING A SEXUAL PREDATOR. PREDATOR. THE PRESIDENT IS A SEXUAL THE PRESIDENT IS A SEXUAL PREDATOR. PREDATOR. SHOWS YOU THE MORAL WORLD IN SHOWS YOU THE MORAL WORLD IN WHICH WE LIVE IN. WHICH WE LIVE IN. JUST HE WAS CREDIBLE ACCUSED OF JUST HE WAS CREDIBLE ACCUSED OF RAPE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND IT’S RAPE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND IT’S FALLEN OFF THE RADAR SCREEN. FALLEN OFF THE RADAR SCREEN. THERE ARE TWO DOZEN WOMEN WHO THERE ARE TWO DOZEN WOMEN WHO HAVE ACCUSE DOLLARS HIM OF HAVE ACCUSE DOLLARS HIM OF SEXUAL ASSAULT. SEXUAL ASSAULT. WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO SAY WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO SAY SEXUAL PREDATOR. SEXUAL PREDATOR. THE IDEA THAT HE WOULD BE THE IDEA THAT HE WOULD BE OFFENDED, MORALLY OR ETHICALLY OFFENDED, MORALLY OR ETHICALLY TROUBLED BY ANYTHING THAT ACOSTA TROUBLED BY ANYTHING THAT ACOSTA DID IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. DID IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. AND IT IS EXTRAORDINARY BOTH THE AND IT IS EXTRAORDINARY BOTH THE SILENCE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, SILENCE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, I MEAN, THIS HAPPENED A WHILE I MEAN, THIS HAPPENED A WHILE AGO. AGO. WHEN THEY DECIDED TO HITCH THEIR WHEN THEY DECIDED TO HITCH THEIR WAGON TO DONALD TRUMP AND SAID WAGON TO DONALD TRUMP AND SAID THAT THERE WAS NOTHING THAT HE THAT THERE WAS NOTHING THAT HE WAS GOING TO DO OR SAY THIS THEY WAS GOING TO DO OR SAY THIS THEY WERE GOING TO OBJECT TO, THEY WERE GOING TO OBJECT TO, THEY WROTE THEIR FATE. WROTE THEIR FATE. AND THERE’S NO BOTTOM WITH HIM AND THERE’S NO BOTTOM WITH HIM AND SO THERE’S NO BOTTOM WITH AND SO THERE’S NO BOTTOM WITH THEM. THEM. AND ONCE UPON A TIME THIS WAS A AND ONCE UPON A TIME THIS WAS A PARTY THAT APPOINTED ITSELF AS A PARTY THAT APPOINTED ITSELF AS A PARTY OF FAMILY VALUES. PARTY OF FAMILY VALUES.>>WHAT A JOKE.>>WHAT A JOKE.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. A JOKE AND HYPOCRISY AND JUST AN A JOKE AND HYPOCRISY AND JUST AN EXTRAORDINARY OFFENSE. EXTRAORDINARY OFFENSE. I MEAN, THESE ARE YOUNG GIRLS I MEAN, THESE ARE YOUNG GIRLS WHO ARE BEING SEXUALLY ASSAULTED WHO ARE BEING SEXUALLY ASSAULTED AND THEY DON’T CARE. AND THEY DON’T CARE. AND THEY’RE SIDING WITH RICH, AND THEY’RE SIDING WITH RICH, POWERFUL MEN AGAINST THESE KIDS. POWERFUL MEN AGAINST THESE KIDS. AND THE FACT THAT THEY’RE NOT AND THE FACT THAT THEY’RE NOT BLINKING TWICE IS SUCH AN BLINKING TWICE IS SUCH AN INDICTMENT. INDICTMENT.>>WE JUMPED RIGHT TO THE>>WE JUMPED RIGHT TO THE POLITICS, BUT LET ME SAY POLITICS, BUT LET ME SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE VICTIMS. SOMETHING ABOUT THE VICTIMS. THIS IS FROM THE MIAMI HERALD. THIS IS FROM THE MIAMI HERALD. THIS IS FROM MORE OF JULIE K. THIS IS FROM MORE OF JULIE K. BROWN’S REPORTING. BROWN’S REPORTING. SHE WAS WITH US YESTERDAY. SHE WAS WITH US YESTERDAY. SHE’S A REPORTER WHO FELLOW SHE’S A REPORTER WHO FELLOW PROSECUTORS GRACIOUSLY CREDITED PROSECUTORS GRACIOUSLY CREDITED WITH BLING SOME OF THESE WITH BLING SOME OF THESE ALLEGATIONS TO THEIR ATTENTION. ALLEGATIONS TO THEIR ATTENTION. JULIA REPORTED THIS WAS NOT A HE JULIA REPORTED THIS WAS NOT A HE SAID/SHE SAID SITUATION, THIS SAID/SHE SAID SITUATION, THIS WAS 50 SOMETHING SHES AND ONE WAS 50 SOMETHING SHES AND ONE HE. HE. ALL THE SHES BASICALLY TOLD THE ALL THE SHES BASICALLY TOLD THE SAME STORY. SAME STORY. RETIRED PALM BEACH POLICE CHIEF RETIRED PALM BEACH POLICE CHIEF MICHAEL RYDER WHO SUPERVISED THE MICHAEL RYDER WHO SUPERVISED THE PROBE. PROBE. JULIA ALSO REPORTING THAT THE JULIA ALSO REPORTING THAT THE DAMAGE THAT HAPPENS IN THIS CASE DAMAGE THAT HAPPENS IN THIS CASE IS UNCONSCIONABLE, A FORMER IS UNCONSCIONABLE, A FORMER PROSECUTOR. PROSECUTOR. HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU, THE HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU, THE U.S. ATTORNEY, ENGAGE IN A U.S. ATTORNEY, ENGAGE IN A NEGOTIATION WITH A CRIMINAL NEGOTIATION WITH A CRIMINAL DEFENDANT BASICALLY ALLOWING THE DEFENDANT BASICALLY ALLOWING THE CRIMINAL DEFENDANT TO WRITE UP CRIMINAL DEFENDANT TO WRITE UP THE AGREEMENT? THE AGREEMENT? SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU, HEIDI, SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU, HEIDI, DO YOU EXPECT THE DEMOCRATS TO DO YOU EXPECT THE DEMOCRATS TO CALL PALM BEACH PLEAS POLICE CALL PALM BEACH PLEAS POLICE CHIEF MICHAEL RYDER AND THE CHIEF MICHAEL RYDER AND THE LAWYERS FOR THE VICTIMS, BRADLEY LAWYERS FOR THE VICTIMS, BRADLEY EDWARDS IS ANOTHER NAME, TO EDWARDS IS ANOTHER NAME, TO TESTIFY? TESTIFY? DO YOU EXPECT CONGRESSIONAL DO YOU EXPECT CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS IN THIS CASE. HEARINGS IN THIS CASE.>>THEY’RE LOOKING INTO THAT>>THEY’RE LOOKING INTO THAT LITERALLY AS WE SPEAK. LITERALLY AS WE SPEAK. THE MOST OBVIOUS PLACES THIS THE MOST OBVIOUS PLACES THIS WOULD COME FROM IS THE HOUSE AND WOULD COME FROM IS THE HOUSE AND THE OVERSIGHT JUDICIAL THE OVERSIGHT JUDICIAL COMMITTEES, WHICH THEY HAVE COMMITTEES, WHICH THEY HAVE THEIR HANDS FULL RIGHT NOW. THEIR HANDS FULL RIGHT NOW. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING I’VE BEEN BUT THIS IS SOMETHING I’VE BEEN TALKING TO THEM ABOUT REALLY FOR TALKING TO THEM ABOUT REALLY FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS. A COUPLE OF MONTHS. THEY HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN, FOR THEY HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN, FOR INSTANCE, ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT INSTANCE, ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE’S INVESTIGATION INTO OF JUSTICE’S INVESTIGATION INTO ACOSTA’S BEHAVIOR BECAUSE WHO’S ACOSTA’S BEHAVIOR BECAUSE WHO’S IN CHARGE OF TRANSPARENCY AROUND IN CHARGE OF TRANSPARENCY AROUND THAT? THAT? WELL, IT’S WILLIAM BARR. WELL, IT’S WILLIAM BARR. AND SO I COULD FORESEE A AND SO I COULD FORESEE A SITUATION WHERE THEY BRING IN SITUATION WHERE THEY BRING IN NOT ONLY THE INDIVIDUALS THAT NOT ONLY THE INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU MENTIONED, BUT MAYBE EVEN YOU MENTIONED, BUT MAYBE EVEN SOME OF THE WOMEN. SOME OF THE WOMEN.>>THE VICTIMS.>>THE VICTIMS.>>WHO HAVEN’T BEEN HEARD FROM.>>WHO HAVEN’T BEEN HEARD FROM. VICTIMS. VICTIMS. BECAUSE, LOOK, THE HORRIBLE BECAUSE, LOOK, THE HORRIBLE INSIDIOUS THING ABOUT THIS WAS INSIDIOUS THING ABOUT THIS WAS NOT JUST THE SENTENCING THAT YOU NOT JUST THE SENTENCING THAT YOU REALLY CAN’T EXPLAIN HOW YOU GET REALLY CAN’T EXPLAIN HOW YOU GET FROM LIFE IN PRISON TO SOME KIND FROM LIFE IN PRISON TO SOME KIND OF A WORK STUDY PROGRAM, BUT HOW OF A WORK STUDY PROGRAM, BUT HOW THE WOMEN WERE HUSHED UP. THE WOMEN WERE HUSHED UP. HOW THEY WERE NOT EVEN MADE HOW THEY WERE NOT EVEN MADE AWARE OF THE NONPROSECUTION AWARE OF THE NONPROSECUTION AGREEMENT SUCH THAT THEY WERE AGREEMENT SUCH THAT THEY WERE COMPLETELY SILENCED IN THIS. COMPLETELY SILENCED IN THIS. AND SO THEY HAVE NOT EVEN HAD A AND SO THEY HAVE NOT EVEN HAD A CHANCE OVER ALL THESE YEARS TO CHANCE OVER ALL THESE YEARS TO TELL THEIR STORY. TELL THEIR STORY. SO IF THIS HAPPENS, NICOLE, I SO IF THIS HAPPENS, NICOLE, I DON’T HAVE A DA FINTIVEEFINITIVE DON’T HAVE A DA FINTIVEEFINITIVE TO THAT, I WOULD LOOK TO SOME OF TO THAT, I WOULD LOOK TO SOME OF THE WOMEN BEING CALLED FORWARD. THE WOMEN BEING CALLED FORWARD. THAT’S WHEN IT’S GOING TO PUT THAT’S WHEN IT’S GOING TO PUT PRESSURE ON TRUMP. PRESSURE ON TRUMP. ALL THOSE PICTURES YOU TALKED ALL THOSE PICTURES YOU TALKED ABOUT AND THE HISTORY THERE WILL ABOUT AND THE HISTORY THERE WILL ALSO COME OUT AS WELL. ALSO COME OUT AS WELL.>>WHERE DOES IT HAPPEN IN THE>>WHERE DOES IT HAPPEN IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT THAT ACOSTA’S JUSTICE DEPARTMENT THAT ACOSTA’S CONDUCT WILL BE INVESTIGATED AND CONDUCT WILL BE INVESTIGATED AND SCRUTINIZED? SCRUTINIZED? WHAT IS — HEIDI MAKES AN WHAT IS — HEIDI MAKES AN EXCELLENT POINT, THAT IF WILLIAM EXCELLENT POINT, THAT IF WILLIAM BARR WHO HAD THE AUDACITY AND BARR WHO HAD THE AUDACITY AND THE YOU KNOW WHAT’S TO LIE ABOUT THE YOU KNOW WHAT’S TO LIE ABOUT ROBERT MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION, ROBERT MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION, WHAT HOPE DO WE THE PEOPLE HAVE WHAT HOPE DO WE THE PEOPLE HAVE TO SEEING ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT TO SEEING ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THEY LEARN ABOUT AKOOFTA’SCOSTA’ THEY LEARN ABOUT AKOOFTA’SCOSTA’ DISPOSITION IN THIS CASE? DISPOSITION IN THIS CASE?>>THERE’S TWO PLACES.>>THERE’S TWO PLACES. THE FIRST IS THE OFFICE OF THE FIRST IS THE OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. IF IT’S ATTORNEY MISCONDUCT, IF IF IT’S ATTORNEY MISCONDUCT, IF AN ATTORNEY DID SOMETHING WRONG AN ATTORNEY DID SOMETHING WRONG IN HIS OR HER PRESENTATION TO IN HIS OR HER PRESENTATION TO THE COURT, MISREPRESENTED THE COURT, MISREPRESENTED SOMETHING TO A DEFENSE ATTORNEY, SOMETHING TO A DEFENSE ATTORNEY, VIOLATED SOME ETHICAL RULE, THE VIOLATED SOME ETHICAL RULE, THE OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY WOULD AND SHOULD RESPONSIBILITY WOULD AND SHOULD LOOK AT IT. LOOK AT IT. AND IT’S A BUSY PLACE. AND IT’S A BUSY PLACE. BECAUSE THEY GET LOTS OF BECAUSE THEY GET LOTS OF REFERRALS. REFERRALS. SOME OF WHICH TURN OUT TO BE SOME OF WHICH TURN OUT TO BE NOTHING AT ALL AND SOME OF WHICH NOTHING AT ALL AND SOME OF WHICH TURN OUT TO BE QUITE SERIOUS. TURN OUT TO BE QUITE SERIOUS. THE OTHER PLACE WOULD BE THE THE OTHER PLACE WOULD BE THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL. OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL. IF A CRIME HAD BEEN COMMITTED. IF A CRIME HAD BEEN COMMITTED. OR THERE WAS SOME OTHER SORT OF OR THERE WAS SOME OTHER SORT OF SIGNIFICANT MISCONDUCT. SIGNIFICANT MISCONDUCT. NOW, THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR NOW, THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL ALMOST ALWAYS MAKES ITS GENERAL ALMOST ALWAYS MAKES ITS REPORTS PUBLIC. REPORTS PUBLIC. THE OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL THE OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY SELDOM DOES. RESPONSIBILITY SELDOM DOES.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>AND THAT’S BECAUSE MANY TIMES>>AND THAT’S BECAUSE MANY TIMES ATTORNEYS WHO DO SOMETHING WRONG ATTORNEYS WHO DO SOMETHING WRONG HAVEN’T VIOLATED THE LAW. HAVEN’T VIOLATED THE LAW. THEY NEED TO BE REPRESENT THEY NEED TO BE REPRESENT MANNED, THEY NEED TO BE MANNED, THEY NEED TO BE COUNSELED, RETRAINED, BUT WE COUNSELED, RETRAINED, BUT WE DON’T NECESSARILY WANT TO TELL DON’T NECESSARILY WANT TO TELL THE ENTIRE STORY TO THE PUBLIC THE ENTIRE STORY TO THE PUBLIC IF SOMEONE’S GOING TO REMAIN IF SOMEONE’S GOING TO REMAIN EMPLOYED. EMPLOYED. IT’S A SENSITIVE BALANCE. IT’S A SENSITIVE BALANCE.>>IT’S SENSITIVE, BUT WHAT>>IT’S SENSITIVE, BUT WHAT SEEMS — I MEAN, THE PEOPLE SEEMS — I MEAN, THE PEOPLE AROUND WHOM WE SHOULD BE AROUND WHOM WE SHOULD BE CONDUCTING OURSELVES WITH CONDUCTING OURSELVES WITH SENSITIVITY WOULD APPEAR TO ME SENSITIVITY WOULD APPEAR TO ME TO BE THE 50 TO 60 KNOWN VICTIMS TO BE THE 50 TO 60 KNOWN VICTIMS OF SEXUAL — ALLEGED SEXUAL OF SEXUAL — ALLEGED SEXUAL ASSAULT. ASSAULT. I JUST WONDER, CAN YOU THINK OF I JUST WONDER, CAN YOU THINK OF A SINGLE OTHER CASE WHERE SEXUAL A SINGLE OTHER CASE WHERE SEXUAL PREDATOR WITH 60 ALLEGED VICTIMS PREDATOR WITH 60 ALLEGED VICTIMS HAD ONE DAY A WEEK IN COUNTY HAD ONE DAY A WEEK IN COUNTY JAIL? JAIL?>>ABSOLUTELY NOT.>>ABSOLUTELY NOT. AND I — AND I –>>I DON’T EVEN THINK SVUs EVER>>I DON’T EVEN THINK SVUs EVER TOUCHED THAT. TOUCHED THAT. THAT DOESN’T EXIST IN FICTION. THAT DOESN’T EXIST IN FICTION.>>THE LEGAL WORD FOR IT IS>>THE LEGAL WORD FOR IT IS INSANE. INSANE. YOU JUST DON’T SEE THIS. YOU JUST DON’T SEE THIS. BUT HERE’S THE THING ABOUT THE BUT HERE’S THE THING ABOUT THE VICTIMS. VICTIMS. TO HEIDI’S POINT, INCREDIBLY TO HEIDI’S POINT, INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THEM P&L. IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THEM P&L. BUT ALSO INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO BUT ALSO INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO THEM. BE SENSITIVE TO THEM. TESTIFYING AT A TRIAL IS A VERY TESTIFYING AT A TRIAL IS A VERY HARD THING FOR SOME VICTIMS TO HARD THING FOR SOME VICTIMS TO DO. DO.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT. IT RETRAUMATIZES VICTIMS. IT RETRAUMATIZES VICTIMS.>>MANY IN SOME CASES.>>MANY IN SOME CASES. SOME OF FINE, BUT OFTEN SOME SOME OF FINE, BUT OFTEN SOME NOT. NOT. YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT CALLING THEM TO TESTIFY PUBLICLY CALLING THEM TO TESTIFY PUBLICLY ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS AND YOU ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS AND YOU WOULD WANT TO HANDLE IT WOULD WANT TO HANDLE IT SENSITIVELY. SENSITIVELY. U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE ALSO ALL U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE ALSO ALL HAVE VICTIM/WITNESS HAVE VICTIM/WITNESS COORDINATORS, COUNSELORS, PEOPLE COORDINATORS, COUNSELORS, PEOPLE HOR TRAINED IN WORKING WITH HOR TRAINED IN WORKING WITH VICTIMS HELPING THEM TO PREPARE. VICTIMS HELPING THEM TO PREPARE. AND IF THESE WOMEN ARE GOING AND IF THESE WOMEN ARE GOING TESTIFY AND THEY MIGHT HAVE TO, TESTIFY AND THEY MIGHT HAVE TO, I WOULD WANT TO SEE IT DONE VERY I WOULD WANT TO SEE IT DONE VERY CAREFULLY AND AS LIMITED AS CAREFULLY AND AS LIMITED AS POSSIBLE. POSSIBLE.>>JUDICIALLY.>>JUDICIALLY.>>JUDICIALLY.>>JUDICIALLY.>>ASHLEY PARKER, I CAN’T HELP>>ASHLEY PARKER, I CAN’T HELP BUT JUST REFLECT UPON FOR A BUT JUST REFLECT UPON FOR A SECOND AND I WANT TO DO THIS SECOND AND I WANT TO DO THIS WITH YOU, OF ALL THAT TRUMP WITH YOU, OF ALL THAT TRUMP USHERED IN. USHERED IN. JEFFREY EPSTEIN IS THE VILLAIN JEFFREY EPSTEIN IS THE VILLAIN ACCUSED OF UNTHINKABLE AND ACCUSED OF UNTHINKABLE AND UNCONSCIONABLE CONDUCT I THINK UNCONSCIONABLE CONDUCT I THINK JEFF BERMAN IN THE SOUTHERN JEFF BERMAN IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK DESCRIBED DISTRICT OF NEW YORK DESCRIBED IT APTLY WHEN HE CALLED IT IT APTLY WHEN HE CALLED IT HORRIFIC AND UNIMAGINABLE CRIMES HORRIFIC AND UNIMAGINABLE CRIMES ALLEGED AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN. ALLEGED AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN. BUT, AGAIN, WE ARE LEADING OUR BUT, AGAIN, WE ARE LEADING OUR PROGRAM WITH A STORY ABOUT A MAN PROGRAM WITH A STORY ABOUT A MAN WHO RAN IN DONALD TRUMP’S WHO RAN IN DONALD TRUMP’S CIRCLES. CIRCLES. IS THERE ANY SHAME? IS THERE ANY SHAME? IS THERE ANY ACKNOWLEDGEMENT IS THERE ANY ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT HE RAN AROUND WAY LOT OF THAT HE RAN AROUND WAY LOT OF LOW LOW LOW LIFEs. LOW LIFEs.>>KEEP IN MIND THIS IS A>>KEEP IN MIND THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO BOASTED THAT HE PRESIDENT WHO BOASTED THAT HE ONLY SURROUNDS HIMSELF WITH THE ONLY SURROUNDS HIMSELF WITH THE BEST PEOPLE. BEST PEOPLE. I THINK IT’S BECOME QUITE CLEAR I THINK IT’S BECOME QUITE CLEAR THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE. THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE. YOU DID LOOK AT THE PEOPLE IN YOU DID LOOK AT THE PEOPLE IN PRESIDENT’S ORBIT WHO ARE IN PRESIDENT’S ORBIT WHO ARE IN JAIL. JAIL. YOU CAN LOOK AT PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAN LOOK AT PEOPLE LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN IN THE IS NOT JEFFREY EPSTEIN IN THE IS NOT THE CASE WITH THE PRESIDENT YET, THE CASE WITH THE PRESIDENT YET, HE HASN’T REALLY WEIGHED IN OPEN HE HASN’T REALLY WEIGHED IN OPEN THIS SPECIFICALLY, BUT THIS SPECIFICALLY, BUT OFTENTIMES WHEN WE SEE SOMEONE OFTENTIMES WHEN WE SEE SOMEONE IN THE PRESIDENT’S ORBIT, A IN THE PRESIDENT’S ORBIT, A POWERFUL MAN WHO HAS BEEN POWERFUL MAN WHO HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT, ACCUSED OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT, RAPE, SEXUAL MISBEHAVIOR, RAPE, SEXUAL MISBEHAVIOR, WHATEVER IT IS BY WOMEN, THE WHATEVER IT IS BY WOMEN, THE PRESIDENT’S IMPULSE GENERALLY IS PRESIDENT’S IMPULSE GENERALLY IS TO BELIEVE THE MAN’S CLAIMS OF TO BELIEVE THE MAN’S CLAIMS OF INNOCENCE. INNOCENCE. PEOPLE SAY THAT COMES FROM THE PEOPLE SAY THAT COMES FROM THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF BEING ACCUSED PRESIDENT HIMSELF BEING ACCUSED BY OVER A DOZEN WOMEN OF SEXUAL BY OVER A DOZEN WOMEN OF SEXUAL MISBEHAVIOR AND MOST RECENTLY MISBEHAVIOR AND MOST RECENTLY RAPE. RAPE. AND, AGAIN, HE HASN’T SAID THAT AND, AGAIN, HE HASN’T SAID THAT ABOUT JEFFREY EPSTEIN BUT IT IS ABOUT JEFFREY EPSTEIN BUT IT IS ONE THING THAT’S STRIKING TO ONE THING THAT’S STRIKING TO YOUR BROADER QUESTION, IT’S WHO YOUR BROADER QUESTION, IT’S WHO IS IN THE PRESIDENT’S ORBIT AND IS IN THE PRESIDENT’S ORBIT AND THEN WHEN THERE IS A THEN WHEN THERE IS A CONTROVERSY, WHO THE PRESIDENT CONTROVERSY, WHO THE PRESIDENT MOST FREQUENTLY CHOOSES TO MOST FREQUENTLY CHOOSES TO BELIEF. BELIEF.>>IT’S A GREAT POINT AND I WAS>>IT’S A GREAT POINT AND I WAS THINKING YESTERDAY ABOUT ROB THINKING YESTERDAY ABOUT ROB PORTER. PORTER. I REMEMBER HIM IN THE SAME I REMEMBER HIM IN THE SAME SETTING WE SHOWED IN THE OVAL SETTING WE SHOWED IN THE OVAL OFFICE SAYING OH, GOD, YOU’RE OFFICE SAYING OH, GOD, YOU’RE GOING RESCUE THIN POOR MAN’S GOING RESCUE THIN POOR MAN’S LIFE. LIFE. NEVER A PUBLIC COMMENT. NEVER A PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING IF WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING IF THERE WAS ANY PRIVATE CONCERN THERE WAS ANY PRIVATE CONCERN FOR THE ALLEGED VICTIMS OF FOR THE ALLEGED VICTIMS OF PORTER’S PHYSICAL ASSAULT PORTER’S PHYSICAL ASSAULT AGAINST HIS TWO EX-WIVES. AGAINST HIS TWO EX-WIVES. ROY MOORE TALKED ABOUT HOW IT ROY MOORE TALKED ABOUT HOW IT WAS SO LONG AGO AND ON AND OPEN WAS SO LONG AGO AND ON AND OPEN AND ON AND ON. AND ON AND ON. DO YOU FEEL ANY PRESSURE DO YOU FEEL ANY PRESSURE BUILDING INSIDE THAT WHITE HOUSE BUILDING INSIDE THAT WHITE HOUSE TO SAY SOMETHING TO CONDEMN TO SAY SOMETHING TO CONDEMN JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S CONDUCT? JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S CONDUCT?>>THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION.>>THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION. WE SORT OF DON’T KNOW YET WE SORT OF DON’T KNOW YET BECAUSE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN FACED THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN FACED WITH HAVE BEEN TOWARDS ACOSTA. WITH HAVE BEEN TOWARDS ACOSTA. WHAT HAPPENED WITH YOUR LABOR WHAT HAPPENED WITH YOUR LABOR SECRETARY? SECRETARY? IS HOW THAT GOING TO BE HANDLED? IS HOW THAT GOING TO BE HANDLED? BUT I DO THINK IN THIS WORLD BUT I DO THINK IN THIS WORLD THERE IS A CHANCE THAT THE THERE IS A CHANCE THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN PRETTY CLEAR PRESIDENT HAS BEEN PRETTY CLEAR AT LEAST HIS ATTORNEY TO THE AT LEAST HIS ATTORNEY TO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION TO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION TO THE “WASHINGTON POST” KIND OF SAID “WASHINGTON POST” KIND OF SAID THE PRESIDENT REALLY SEVERED THE PRESIDENT REALLY SEVERED TIES WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN DATING TIES WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN DATING BACK OVER A DECADE. BACK OVER A DECADE. I HAVEN’T HAD ANYTHING TO DO I HAVEN’T HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIM IN 15 YEARS. WITH HIM IN 15 YEARS. I DON’T KNOW IF THAT’S TRUE. I DON’T KNOW IF THAT’S TRUE. BUT IT DOES SEEM THAT THE BUT IT DOES SEEM THAT THE PRESIDENT IS WILLING AND EAGER PRESIDENT IS WILLING AND EAGER TO DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM JEFFREY TO DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM JEFFREY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN. SO THERE MIGHT BE A WORLD IN SO THERE MIGHT BE A WORLD IN WHICH A CONDEMNATION OF HIM AND WHICH A CONDEMNATION OF HIM AND HIS BEHAVIOR WITH NOT JUST THESE HIS BEHAVIOR WITH NOT JUST THESE YOUNG WOMEN, BUT THESE TEENAGERS YOUNG WOMEN, BUT THESE TEENAGERS AND PRETEENS. AND PRETEENS. ONE OF THE VICTIMS SAID SHE WAS ONE OF THE VICTIMS SAID SHE WAS STILL IN BRACES WHEN THIS WAS STILL IN BRACES WHEN THIS WAS HAPPENING. HAPPENING. THERE IS A CHANCE THAT THE WHITE THERE IS A CHANCE THAT THE WHITE HOUSE WOULD SEECOULD SEE THAT’S HOUSE WOULD SEECOULD SEE THAT’S HIM TO ISSUE A STRONG PUBLIC
YOU’VE BEEN THERE DONE IT, YOU KNOW HIM AND GIVE US EXTRA KNOW HIM AND GIVE US EXTRA INSIGHTS. INSIGHTS. THANK YOU FOR COMING THROUGH. THANK YOU FOR COMING THROUGH.>>MY PLEASURE.>>MY PLEASURE.>>I WANT TO GET INTO SOMETHING>>I WANT TO GET INTO SOMETHING WITH ANOTHER SPECIAL GUEST. WITH ANOTHER SPECIAL GUEST. YOU’VE HEARD ALL ABOUT THE YOU’VE HEARD ALL ABOUT THE JIRTS, MARKETS, TRUMP RECESSION JIRTS, MARKETS, TRUMP RECESSION TALK. TALK. THERE’S NO STABLE LEADERSHIP THERE’S NO STABLE LEADERSHIP FROM THE WHITE HOUSE WITH FROM THE WHITE HOUSE WITH GROWING SIGNS OF POTENTIAL GROWING SIGNS OF POTENTIAL RECESSION AND TRUMP IS FLIP RECESSION AND TRUMP IS FLIP FLOPPING ON HIS OWN PLANS WHAT FLOPPING ON HIS OWN PLANS WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT. TO DO ABOUT IT.>>PAYROLL TAXES, I’VE BEEN>>PAYROLL TAXES, I’VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT PAYROLL TAXES FOR THINKING ABOUT PAYROLL TAXES FOR A LONG TIME. A LONG TIME. WHETHER OR NOT WE DO IT NOW OR WHETHER OR NOT WE DO IT NOW OR NOT IS — IT’S NOT BEING DONE NOT IS — IT’S NOT BEING DONE BECAUSE OF RECESSION. BECAUSE OF RECESSION.>>PAYROLL TAX CUT WHICH IS>>PAYROLL TAX CUT WHICH IS AIMED. AIMED.>>I’M NOT LOOKING AT A TAX CUT>>I’M NOT LOOKING AT A TAX CUT NOW. NOW. WE DON’T NEED IT. WE DON’T NEED IT.>>OKAY.>>OKAY. TUESDAY YES, WEDNESDAY NO. TUESDAY YES, WEDNESDAY NO. HE DID THE SAME THING ON AN HE DID THE SAME THING ON AN ISSUE THAT WOULD BENEFIT MOSTLY ISSUE THAT WOULD BENEFIT MOSTLY NO ONE OTHER THAN THE VERY RICH. NO ONE OTHER THAN THE VERY RICH. WHICH IS SOMETHING THEY CALL WHICH IS SOMETHING THEY CALL INDEXING OF THE CAPITAL GAINS INDEXING OF THE CAPITAL GAINS TAX. TAX.>>SO WE’RE TALKING ABOUT>>SO WE’RE TALKING ABOUT INDEXING AND WE’RE ALWAYS INDEXING AND WE’RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE CAPITAL GAINS LOOKING AT THE CAPITAL GAINS TAX. TAX.>>HAVE THE EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY>>HAVE THE EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY TO INDEX CAPITAL GAINS? TO INDEX CAPITAL GAINS?>>I’M NOT LOOKING TO DO>>I’M NOT LOOKING TO DO INDEXING. INDEXING. I DON’T WANT TO DO THAT. I DON’T WANT TO DO THAT.>>WHY SO MUCH CONTRADICTION IN>>WHY SO MUCH CONTRADICTION IN THE OPEN? THE OPEN? THERE ARE REPORTS RECENT TRUMP THERE ARE REPORTS RECENT TRUMP IS PRIVATELY TELLING PEOPLE HE’S IS PRIVATELY TELLING PEOPLE HE’S RATTLED ABOUT THIS POTENTIAL RATTLED ABOUT THIS POTENTIAL RECESSION WHICH MIGHT AFFECT HIS RECESSION WHICH MIGHT AFFECT HIS THINKING AS HE JUMPS BACK AND THINKING AS HE JUMPS BACK AND FORTH WHAT HE MIGHT DO AND FORTH WHAT HE MIGHT DO AND WORRIED THAT HE COULD LOSE THE WORRIED THAT HE COULD LOSE THE ELECTION OVER IT, BUT THEN IN ELECTION OVER IT, BUT THEN IN PUBLIC HE DENIES IT ALL. PUBLIC HE DENIES IT ALL.>>THE FAKE NEWS OF WHICH MANY>>THE FAKE NEWS OF WHICH MANY OF YOU ARE MEMBERS, HAS TRIED TO OF YOU ARE MEMBERS, HAS TRIED TO CONVINCE THE PUBLICING TO HAVE A CONVINCE THE PUBLICING TO HAVE A RECESSION. RECESSION. LET’S HAVE A RECESSION. LET’S HAVE A RECESSION. THE UNITED STATES IS DOING THE UNITED STATES IS DOING PHENOMENONALLY WELL. PHENOMENONALLY WELL.>>WE ALWAYS LOOK FOR NEW AND>>WE ALWAYS LOOK FOR NEW AND INTERESTING VOICES. INTERESTING VOICES. FIRST TIME GUEST IS SOMEONE YOU FIRST TIME GUEST IS SOMEONE YOU HAVE CERTAINLY HEARD OF, A HAVE CERTAINLY HEARD OF, A BUSINESSMAN AND ENTREPRENEUR, A BUSINESSMAN AND ENTREPRENEUR, A FASHION DESIGNER STEVE MADDEN FASHION DESIGNER STEVE MADDEN FOUNDER AND FORMER CEO OF THE FOUNDER AND FORMER CEO OF THE COMPANY THAT BEARS HIS NAME. COMPANY THAT BEARS HIS NAME. NICE TO SEE YOU. NICE TO SEE YOU.>>IT’S GOOD TO BE HERE.>>IT’S GOOD TO BE HERE.>>YOU ARE FOLLOWING ONE OF THE>>YOU ARE FOLLOWING ONE OF THE RULES IN TECH WHICH IS THE MORE RULES IN TECH WHICH IS THE MORE SUCCESSFUL YOU ARE, THE LESS YOU SUCCESSFUL YOU ARE, THE LESS YOU HAVE TO DRESS UP. HAVE TO DRESS UP.>>I LIKE IT.>>I LIKE IT. IF TRUMP WOULD GIVE ME A JOB IN IF TRUMP WOULD GIVE ME A JOB IN HIS ADMINISTRATION, I WOULD WORK HIS ADMINISTRATION, I WOULD WORK IN THE ECONOMICS DEPARTMENT, I IN THE ECONOMICS DEPARTMENT, I MIGHT TAKE OFF MY HAT. MIGHT TAKE OFF MY HAT.>>YOU WOULD TAKE OFF YOUR HAT>>YOU WOULD TAKE OFF YOUR HAT FOR THAT PUBLIC SERVICE. FOR THAT PUBLIC SERVICE.>>NEEDS A LITTLE HELP.>>NEEDS A LITTLE HELP.>>CLAIMS TO BE A DEALMAKER.>>CLAIMS TO BE A DEALMAKER.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>YOU ARE ACTUALLY KNOWN TO BE>>YOU ARE ACTUALLY KNOWN TO BE A DEALMAKER. A DEALMAKER.>>YES.>>YES.>>ASSESS HIM ON WHAT WE JUST>>ASSESS HIM ON WHAT WE JUST SAW. SAW. DOES THAT BACK AND FORTH MATTER DOES THAT BACK AND FORTH MATTER TO THE ECONOMY? TO THE ECONOMY? DOES IT HURT ANYTHING? DOES IT HURT ANYTHING? DOES IT HELP WHEN HE GOES WE DOES IT HELP WHEN HE GOES WE NIGHT DO THIS OR THAT? NIGHT DO THIS OR THAT?>>I THINK THAT HE GOT HIMSELF>>I THINK THAT HE GOT HIMSELF IN OVER HIS HEAD WITH CHINA. IN OVER HIS HEAD WITH CHINA. AND YOU KNOW, HE’S NEGOTIATING AND YOU KNOW, HE’S NEGOTIATING AGAINST A GUY THAT’S PRESIDENT AGAINST A GUY THAT’S PRESIDENT FOR LIFE. FOR LIFE. AND TRUMP IS ONLY PRESIDENT FOR AND TRUMP IS ONLY PRESIDENT FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS. ANOTHER TWO YEARS. SO HE’S GOT NOT AS MUCH LEVER SO HE’S GOT NOT AS MUCH LEVER AND AS THE OTHER GUY. AND AS THE OTHER GUY. I THINK THE CHINESE THING IS I THINK THE CHINESE THING IS HURTING THE ECONOMY. HURTING THE ECONOMY. THE TARIFFS ARE HURTING THE THE TARIFFS ARE HURTING THE ECONOMY. ECONOMY. THEY’RE FORCING PRICES UP. THEY’RE FORCING PRICES UP. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR JOBS. JOBS. IT’S JUST TERRIBLE FOR THE IT’S JUST TERRIBLE FOR THE ECONOMY. ECONOMY.>>IS ALL KNOW, WHAT’S WHERE THE>>IS ALL KNOW, WHAT’S WHERE THE ECONOMICS MEET THE POLITICS. ECONOMICS MEET THE POLITICS. WHAT ARE THE TWO THINGS KNOW WHAT ARE THE TWO THINGS KNOW THAT TRUMP DID? THAT TRUMP DID? I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TWEETS. TWEETS. WHAT HAS HE DONE REGARDING THE WHAT HAS HE DONE REGARDING THE ECONOMY? ECONOMY? EVERYBODY KNOWS THERE WAS A BIG EVERYBODY KNOWS THERE WAS A BIG TAX CUT MOSTLY TO THE TOP AND TAX CUT MOSTLY TO THE TOP AND THERE’S A TRADE WAR ON. THERE’S A TRADE WAR ON.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>YOU’RE SAYING THE TRADE WAR>>YOU’RE SAYING THE TRADE WAR DOESN’T HELP AMERICANS. DOESN’T HELP AMERICANS.>>THE TRADE WAR IS HURTING>>THE TRADE WAR IS HURTING AMERICANS. AMERICANS. IT REALLY IS. IT REALLY IS. SO MUCH OF WHAT WE HAVE FROM OUR SO MUCH OF WHAT WE HAVE FROM OUR iPHONE TO OUR STEVE MADDEN SHOES iPHONE TO OUR STEVE MADDEN SHOES COMES FROM CHINA. COMES FROM CHINA. NOT ALL MY GOODS COME FROM CHINA NOT ALL MY GOODS COME FROM CHINA BUT IT’S JUST GOING TO FORCE BUT IT’S JUST GOING TO FORCE PRICES UP. PRICES UP. IT’S GOING TO SQUEEZE MARGINS, IT’S GOING TO SQUEEZE MARGINS, COST JOBS. COST JOBS. IT’S A TERRIBLE THING. IT’S A TERRIBLE THING. DISRUPT SUPPLY CHAINS. DISRUPT SUPPLY CHAINS.>>WE NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU>>WE NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU MENTION YOUR NAME WHETHER YOU’RE MENTION YOUR NAME WHETHER YOU’RE SELF-PROMOTING OR PLUGGING YOUR SELF-PROMOTING OR PLUGGING YOUR BUSINESS. BUSINESS. WE CAN’T TELL THE DIFFERENCE. WE CAN’T TELL THE DIFFERENCE.>>YOU KNOW, I’M DOING ALL OF>>YOU KNOW, I’M DOING ALL OF IT. IT.>>IT’S ALL ONE AND THE SAME.>>IT’S ALL ONE AND THE SAME.>>WHAT ABOUT THE PUSHBACK>>WHAT ABOUT THE PUSHBACK SOMEONE WOULD SAY, ARI’S TALKING SOMEONE WOULD SAY, ARI’S TALKING TO RICH STEVE MADDEN WHO HAS A TO RICH STEVE MADDEN WHO HAS A BUSINESS INTEREST IN CHINA AND BUSINESS INTEREST IN CHINA AND COUGH YOURS HE DOESN’T LIKE THE COUGH YOURS HE DOESN’T LIKE THE TARIFF WAR. TARIFF WAR. IF WE BEAT CHINA, IF TRUMP WINS IF WE BEAT CHINA, IF TRUMP WINS HIS AIDES AND HIS ECONOMICS AIDS HIS AIDES AND HIS ECONOMICS AIDS WOULD SAY WE’RE GOING TO BEAT WOULD SAY WE’RE GOING TO BEAT CHINA AND IN THE LONG RUN WE’RE CHINA AND IN THE LONG RUN WE’RE GOING TO GET MORE SHOES MADE GOING TO GET MORE SHOES MADE HERE INSTEAD OF ELSEWHERE. HERE INSTEAD OF ELSEWHERE.>>WE’RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY>>WE’RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY SHOES IN AMERICA BUT WE HAVE SHOES IN AMERICA BUT WE HAVE OTHER JOBS IN AMERICA. OTHER JOBS IN AMERICA. WE HAVE DESIGN JOBS, MARKETING WE HAVE DESIGN JOBS, MARKETING JOBS. JOBS. WE HAVE RETAIL JOBS. WE HAVE RETAIL JOBS. CREATIVE JOBS. CREATIVE JOBS. IT’S SHIFTED. IT’S SHIFTED. WE JUST DON’T HAVE THE HANDS WE JUST DON’T HAVE THE HANDS THAT MAKE THE SHOES NOW. THAT MAKE THE SHOES NOW. THEY’RE MADE OFFSHORE. THEY’RE MADE OFFSHORE.>>AND YOU’RE SAYING I WANT TO>>AND YOU’RE SAYING I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR. BE VERY CLEAR. EVEN IF YOU ENVISION A FAN EVEN IF YOU ENVISION A FAN FICTION VIDEO GAME MAGA UNIVERSE FICTION VIDEO GAME MAGA UNIVERSE WHERE TRUMP BEAT KLEIN, YOU’RE WHERE TRUMP BEAT KLEIN, YOU’RE SAYING THOSE SHOES WOULDN’T COME SAYING THOSE SHOES WOULDN’T COME BACK TO AMERICA. BACK TO AMERICA.>>NO, WE’RE GOING TO MOVE>>NO, WE’RE GOING TO MOVE PRODUCTION TO MEXICO OR VIETNAM PRODUCTION TO MEXICO OR VIETNAM OR TO AFRICA. OR TO AFRICA. THINGS LIKE THAT. THINGS LIKE THAT.>>YOU’RE A BOSS.>>YOU’RE A BOSS. YOU’RE FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM YOU’RE FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM BOSS. BOSS.>>YES, YES.>>YES, YES.>>YOU KNOW.>>YOU KNOW.>>SOMETIMES.>>SOMETIMES. YES. YES.>>YOU KNOW.>>YOU KNOW.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>BOSSES HAVE TO BE HELD>>BOSSES HAVE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE SOMETIMES. ACCOUNTABLE SOMETIMES.>>YES, YES.>>YES, YES.>>WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POLLING>>WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POLLING ON SOME OF THIS STUFF, IT’S ON SOME OF THIS STUFF, IT’S ALWAYS POLARIZED AND RED AND ALWAYS POLARIZED AND RED AND BLUE. BLUE. THERE IS AN OVERWHELMING THERE IS AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT SAY IF MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT SAY IF THERE IS A RECESSION AND TRUMP’S THERE IS A RECESSION AND TRUMP’S WORRIED ABOUT IT, 69% OF PEOPLE WORRIED ABOUT IT, 69% OF PEOPLE SAY THEY WOULD HOLD TRUMP SAY THEY WOULD HOLD TRUMP ACCOUNTABLE. ACCOUNTABLE. IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK WOULD IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN? HAPPEN?>>OF COURSE.>>OF COURSE. HE’S IN CHARGE. HE’S IN CHARGE. SO HE’S GOING TO BE HELD SO HE’S GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. ACCOUNTABLE. I THINK IT WILL HURT HIM. I THINK IT WILL HURT HIM. IF HE’S WATCHING, I IMPLORE HIM IF HE’S WATCHING, I IMPLORE HIM TO END THESE TARIFFS. TO END THESE TARIFFS. IT’S JUST — IT’S REALLY HURTFUL IT’S JUST — IT’S REALLY HURTFUL AND IT’S CAUSING SO MUCH CHAOS, AND IT’S CAUSING SO MUCH CHAOS, DISRUPTING SUPPLY COMANZ. DISRUPTING SUPPLY COMANZ. IT’S GOING TO CAUSE RECESSION. IT’S GOING TO CAUSE RECESSION.>>IS CHINA OUTSMARTING HIM OR>>IS CHINA OUTSMARTING HIM OR THEY JUST HAVE MORE MORE RUNWAY? THEY JUST HAVE MORE MORE RUNWAY? THEY HAVE MORE TIME. THEY HAVE MORE TIME. WE ARE ON A POLITICAL CALENDAR. WE ARE ON A POLITICAL CALENDAR.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>YOU’RE DEALING WITH WHATEVER>>YOU’RE DEALING WITH WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, AN YOU WANT TO CALL IT, AN AUTOCRATIC COUNTRY. AUTOCRATIC COUNTRY.>>IT’S DIFFERENT.>>IT’S DIFFERENT.>>THEY DON’T HAVE A TIME LIMIT>>THEY DON’T HAVE A TIME LIMIT TO FIGHT HIM OUT. TO FIGHT HIM OUT.>>YES, HE’S TRYING TO DO>>YES, HE’S TRYING TO DO SOMETHING, HE’S TRYING TO HELP SOMETHING, HE’S TRYING TO HELP THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO DO THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING. SOMETHING. OKAY? OKAY? BUT HE NEGOTIATING WITH THE BUT HE NEGOTIATING WITH THE CHINESE LIKE HE’S NEGOTIATING CHINESE LIKE HE’S NEGOTIATING WITH SOMEONE FROM BROOKLYN IS WITH SOMEONE FROM BROOKLYN IS NOT GOING TO WORK. NOT GOING TO WORK. IT’S JUST NOT GOING TO WORK. IT’S JUST NOT GOING TO WORK.>>BARBARA REZ SOUNDS LIKE>>BARBARA REZ SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE FROM BROOKLYN. SOMEONE FROM BROOKLYN.>>MAYBE.>>MAYBE.>>NOW WE’LL TALK ABOUT THE>>NOW WE’LL TALK ABOUT THE PREDICTIONS. PREDICTIONS. YOU KNOW BETTER THAN SOME, THE YOU KNOW BETTER THAN SOME, THE MARKETS ALL OVER THE PLACE. MARKETS ALL OVER THE PLACE. MICK MULVANEY IS PRIVATELY MICK MULVANEY IS PRIVATELY TELLING IT THE SORT OF TELLING IT THE SORT OF REPUBLICAN DONOR CLASS, LOOK, BE REPUBLICAN DONOR CLASS, LOOK, BE READY FOR A QUOTE MODERATE AND READY FOR A QUOTE MODERATE AND SHORT RECESSION. SHORT RECESSION. IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE BRACING FOR? IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE BRACING FOR?>>I’M GOOD AT PREDICTING HEEL>>I’M GOOD AT PREDICTING HEEL HEIGHTS. HEIGHTS. I JUST HOPE THERE’S NOT A I JUST HOPE THERE’S NOT A RECESSION. RECESSION. YOU KNOW, AND I DON’T WANT TO YOU KNOW, AND I DON’T WANT TO SEE A RECESSION JUST BECAUSE IT SEE A RECESSION JUST BECAUSE IT HURTS THE PRESIDENT. HURTS THE PRESIDENT. WE DON’T WANT THAT. WE DON’T WANT THAT. BUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE’S BUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE’S DOING COULD BE CREATING A DOING COULD BE CREATING A RECESSION. RECESSION.>>LIKE THE OTHER THAN THE TRADE>>LIKE THE OTHER THAN THE TRADE WAR. WAR.>>LIKE THE TARIFFS LIKE THE>>LIKE THE TARIFFS LIKE THE DEFICIT IS OUT OF CONTROL. DEFICIT IS OUT OF CONTROL. IT’S CRAZY. IT’S CRAZY. AND THE TWEETS. AND THE TWEETS. THE TWEETS ARE HURTING. THE TWEETS ARE HURTING. THE FLIP-FLOPPING AND THE TWEETS THE FLIP-FLOPPING AND THE TWEETS ARE HURT TOO. ARE HURT TOO. THE TWEETS ARE REALLY HURTING THE TWEETS ARE REALLY HURTING BECAUSE IT UNDERMINES SORT OF BECAUSE IT UNDERMINES SORT OF CONFIDENCE AND THINGS. CONFIDENCE AND THINGS. I KNOW HE KNOWS BETTER AND I I KNOW HE KNOWS BETTER AND I HOPE HE STOPS DOING IT. HOPE HE STOPS DOING IT.>>YOU SAY YOU HOPE HE’S>>YOU SAY YOU HOPE HE’S WATCHING. WATCHING. WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HIM. WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HIM.>>I HAVE HIM A COUPLE OF TIMES.>>I HAVE HIM A COUPLE OF TIMES. I HAVEN’T MET HIM. I HAVEN’T MET HIM. I WAS A JUDGE ON THE BEAUTY I WAS A JUDGE ON THE BEAUTY PAGEANT LIKE TEN YEARS AGO OR PAGEANT LIKE TEN YEARS AGO OR SOMETHING. SOMETHING. I THINK HE MEANS WELL. I THINK HE MEANS WELL. I JUST THINK HE’S MISGUIDED AND I JUST THINK HE’S MISGUIDED AND HE REALLY NEEDS HELP. HE REALLY NEEDS HELP. HE NEEDS TO GET SOME SMART GUYS HE NEEDS TO GET SOME SMART GUYS AROUND HIM. AROUND HIM.>>HE MEANS WELL ON WHAT?>>HE MEANS WELL ON WHAT? A LOT OF PEOPLE DON’T FEEL LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON’T FEEL LIKE HE MEANS WELL ON CHARLOTTESVILLE HE MEANS WELL ON CHARLOTTESVILLE OR CHILDREN IN CAGES. OR CHILDREN IN CAGES.>>HE’S MADE SOME MISTAKES.>>HE’S MADE SOME MISTAKES. I’M NOT DEFENDING HIM. I’M NOT DEFENDING HIM. I THINK WHEN HE WAKES UP, HE I THINK WHEN HE WAKES UP, HE MEANS TO DO WELL BUT I THINK MEANS TO DO WELL BUT I THINK HE’S MISGUIDED. HE’S MISGUIDED. AND I THINK THAT HE JUST NEEDS AND I THINK THAT HE JUST NEEDS SMART PEOPLE AROUND HIM. SMART PEOPLE AROUND HIM.>>YOU KNOW HOW YOU TALK?>>YOU KNOW HOW YOU TALK? YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT HIM THE WAY YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT HIM THE WAY A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HIM A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HIM IN WASHINGTON, D.C. INCLUDING IN WASHINGTON, D.C. INCLUDING REPUBLICANS. REPUBLICANS. THEY TALK ABOUT HIM LIKE HE’S THEY TALK ABOUT HIM LIKE HE’S 12, LIKE MEANS WELL BUT NEEDS 12, LIKE MEANS WELL BUT NEEDS GUIDANCE. GUIDANCE. HE’S THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED HE’S THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. STATES.>>WE HAVE THE SMARTEST PEOPLE>>WE HAVE THE SMARTEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD IN AMERICA. IN THE WORLD IN AMERICA. THE HEAD OF GOLDMAN SACHS. THE HEAD OF GOLDMAN SACHS. GET SOME OF THOSE FINANCIAL GUYS GET SOME OF THOSE FINANCIAL GUYS AND SURROUND YOURSELF WITH THEM AND SURROUND YOURSELF WITH THEM AND TRY TO MAKE A GOOD DEAL. AND TRY TO MAKE A GOOD DEAL.>>I GOT A FINAL QUESTION FOR>>I GOT A FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU OFF POLITICS. YOU OFF POLITICS. LAST QUESTION, WHAT’S THE LAST QUESTION, WHAT’S THE BIGGEST ADVICE YOU GIVE SOMEONE BIGGEST ADVICE YOU GIVE SOMEONE WATCHING ABOUT PERSONAL FINANCE, WATCHING ABOUT PERSONAL FINANCE, PERSONAL PLANNING HOW TO LIVE PERSONAL PLANNING HOW TO LIVE YOUR LIFE RESPONSIBLY. YOUR LIFE RESPONSIBLY.>>SO YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THE>>SO YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I WOULD SAY MOST IMPORTANT THING I WOULD SAY JUST NOT AN ANSWER TO YOUR JUST NOT AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS. QUESTION IS.>>I LOVE THAT.>>I LOVE THAT.>>TO YOUNG PEOPLE, I WANT TO>>TO YOUNG PEOPLE, I WANT TO SAY, WHEN YOU GO TO WORK, TRY TO SAY, WHEN YOU GO TO WORK, TRY TO DO SOMETHING YOU LOVE DOING. DO SOMETHING YOU LOVE DOING. DON’T DO IT FOR THE MONEY. DON’T DO IT FOR THE MONEY. DO IT BECAUSE YOU LOVE DOING IT. DO IT BECAUSE YOU LOVE DOING IT.>>DON’T DO IT FOR THE PAPER.>>DON’T DO IT FOR THE PAPER.>>DON’T DO IT FOR THE MONEY.>>DON’T DO IT FOR THE MONEY. DO IT BECAUSE YOU LOVE DOING IT DO IT BECAUSE YOU LOVE DOING IT AND THE MONEY WILL FOLLOW
WE START EATING LUNCH AT 7:00 IN THE MORNING. STEVE: I LOVE THE BRISKET: WE GOT UP EARLY. FOUNDER OF GINGRICH 360.COM AND HOST OF THE PODCAST NEWT’S WORLD. GOOD MORNING TO YOU. AINSLEY: GOOD MORNING.>>IT’S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU GUYS. STEVE: MR. SPEAKER WE HAVE BREAKING NEWS THIS MORNING ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF AGO IT WAS ANNOUNCED BY THE FOREIGN MINISTER OF ISRAEL THAT THEY WERE GOING TO ALLOW RASHIDA TLAIB TO GET INTO ISRAEL AFTER SHE WROTE A LETTER TO THE INTERIOR MINISTER AND THEY GRANTED HER ACCESS TO THE COUNTRY ON HUMANITARIAN GROUNDS. AINSLEY: THIS IS WHAT SHE SAID IN THE LETTER. I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST ADMITTED TO ISRAEL IN ORDER TO VISIT MY RELATIVES AND SPECIFICALLY MY GRANDMOTHER WHO IS IN HER 90’S AND LIVES IN A CERTAIN AREA THERE ON THE WEST BANK. THIS COULD BE MY LAST OPPORTUNITY TO SEE HER. I WILL RESPECT ANY RESTRICTIONS AND WILL NOT PROMOTE BOYCOTTS AGAINST ISRAEL DURING MY VISIT. WHAT’S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?>>LOOK, I THINK SHE MADE THE RIGHT HUMANITARIAN REQUEST. I THINK THE ISRAELIS HAD THE RIGHT INSTINCTS BECAUSE SHE IS IN A UNIQUE POSITION, HAVING RELATIVES THERE. AND FRANKLY I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HEARTLESS TO SAY YOU CAN’T VISIT YOUR GRANDMOTHER IN HER 90’S. SO I THINK PROBABLY SHE DID THE RIGHT THING. SHE RECOGNIZED THAT THE ISRAELIS HAD A LEGITIMATE GRIEVANCE AND SHE AGREED TO ABIDE BY THEIR GROUND RULES AND THE ISRAELIS SAID LOOK AS LONG AS YOU ARE GOING TO PLAY FAIR WE DON’T WANT TO KEEP YOU FROM YOUR GRANDMOTHER, STROIX ME THAT’S A PRETTY WIN-WIN PSYCHOLOGICAL POSITION.>>WHAT DOES THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT DO ABOUT ILHAN OMAR WHO WAS DENIED ACCESS AFTER THE PRESIDENT TWEETED OUT IF ISRAEL LETTING THEM IN, IT’S GOING TO SHOW WEAKNESS AND THEN NETANYAHU CAME OUT AND SAY WE ARE GOING TO BAR BOTH OF THEM. NOW TLAIB GETS TO GO BUT WE DON’T KNOW WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH ILHAN OMAR.>>WELL, I DON’T KNOW THAT ILHAN OMAR, WHO I BELIEVE IS SOMALIAN, NOT PALESTINIAN HAS ANY FAMILY RELATIVES LIVING IN THE AREA THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES AND FRANKLY I THINK IT’S A BIT MUCH TO SAY TO THE ISRAELIS SOMEBODY GETS TO SAY HATEFUL THINGS, GETS TO FOLLOW A POLICY DESIGNED TO DESTROY YOUR POLICY, GET TO DEFAME YOU, GETS TO LIE ABOUT YOUR HISTORY BUT YOU OWE THEM ADMISSION? I THINK THAT’S BOLOGNA. SO THE ISRAELI DECISION NOT TO LET HER IN IS PERFECTLY REASONABLE TLAIB DOES NOT HAVE A HUMANITARIAN REASON FOR THE ISRAELIS TO ALLOW HER IN. STEVE: ALL RIGHT. AINSLEY: SO LAST NIGHT THERE WAS A TRUMP RALLY AND THE PRESIDENT SAID — WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING?>>BECAUSE IT’S AUGUST. HE COULD SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT. STEVE: ON VACATION.>>WANDERING HIS IDEA OF A VACATION IS 12,000 PEOPLE CHEERING FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF. WHAT CAN I SAY? AINSLEY: HERE IS SOUND BITES FROM THE RALLY LAST NIGHT. LISTEN TO THIS.>>LET ME TELL YOU, IF FOR SOME REASONABLE I WOULDN’T HAVE WON THE ELECTION, THESE MARKETS WOULD HAVE CRASHED. THE BOTTOM LINE IS, I KNOW YOU LIKE ME AND THIS ROOM IS A LOVE FEST, I KNOW THAT BUT YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO VOTE FOR ME BECAUSE YOUR 401(K)s DOWN THE TUBES. EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE DOWN THE TUBES. SO, WHETHER YOU LOVE ME OR HATE ME, YOU GOT TO VOTE FOR ME. YOU HAVE THE BEST UNEMPLOYMENT, YOU HAVE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL STATE IN THE HISTORY OF YOUR STATE. AND IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. AND THEN YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE? OH, GREAT.>>NO. LET’S VOTE FOR ELIZABETH POCAHONTAS WARREN. [BOOS]>>DAN: MR. SPEAKER, YOU ARE THE PERFECT PERSON TO ASK THIS QUESTION. WHEN YOU HAD A RUN THE HOUSE BIPARTISAN INITIATIVES WITH THE CLINTON PRESIDENCY AND THE ECONOMY DID QUITE WELL. YOU COULD TAKE CREDIT FOR AS REPUBLICANS AND THE PRESIDENT WOULD AS WELL. THAT’S NOT THE CASE WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP, TAX FORM WAS UNILATERAL, THERE WERE NO DEMOCRATS ON BOARD. HE IS SMART, IS HE NOT, TO FOCUS ON THE ECONOMY KNOWING DEMOCRATS HAVE NOTHING TO SAY OTHER THAN TO TALK DOWN AND OBVIOUSLY FLOURISHING ECONOMY RIGHT NOW.>>SURE. LOOK. I THINK PART OF WHY YOU SAW THE CONSUMER PURCHASES UP IS PEOPLE HAVE HAD A VERY SUBSTANTIAL PAY RAISE. INTERESTINGLY, FROM A STANDPOINT OF DEMOCRATS, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD THE BIGGEST PERCENTAGE OF PAY RAISES HAVE BEEN IN THE BOTTOM FOURTH OF THE COUNTRY. PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE MONEY. IN ADDITION, THE PRESIDENT IS VERY PRO-OIL AND GAS POLICY HAS LOWERED THE COST — I ONCE WROTE A BOOK CALLED GASOLINE AT 2.50 A GALLON AND OBAMA ATTACKED ME PERSONALLY BECAUSE IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE. EVERY TIME YOU BRING DOWN THE PRICE OF GASOLINE AND NATURAL GAS, IT’S THE EQUIVALENT OF A TAX CUT. AND PEOPLE HAVE MORE CASH TO SPEND ON OTHER THINGS. SO, I THINK RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN A WIN-WIN ECONOMY. NOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE — AGAIN, FREE ENTERPRISE, THINGS HAPPEN AND PEOPLE HAVE TO CHURN AND THEY HAVE TO INVENT. OVER TIME, THEY ARE REMARKABLE ENGINES FOR CREATING PROSPERITY. AND THIS PRESIDENT IS A BUSINESSMAN WHO UNDERSTANDS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE ECONOMY. STEVE: WELL, HE ALSO UNDERSTANDS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE CALL CAR OF THE CALENCAR OF THE CALENDAR. AND THE REASON HE WAS IN NEW HAMPSHIRE BECAUSE NEW HAMPSHIRE IS THE FIRST IN THE COUNTRY STATE TO HAVE A PRIMARY. JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN THERE. HE HAS BEEN CAMPAIGNING. THE PROBLEM WITH JOE BIDEN. AND SOME OF HIS ADVISORS HAVE SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW, HE HAS MADE SO MANY GAFFES, SO MANY MISTAKES. MAYBE HE SHOULD SCALE BACK, IN FACT, THIS IS THE HEADLINE OUT AT THE HILL, BIDEN’S ALLIES FLOAT SCALING BACK EVENTS TO LIMIT GAFFES. AND THEN DAVID AXELROD TWEETED. THIS THIS IS BAD ADVICE. YOU CAN’T CLOISTER THE CANDIDATE AND WIN. HE CAN EITHER CUT IT OR HE CAN’T. AND THE ONLY WAY HE CAN PROVE HE CAN IS TO BE AN ACTIVE AND VIGOROUS CANDIDATE. IS HE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, FOR GOD’S SAKE. THAT ACCORDING TO DAVID AXELROD, MR. SPEAKER.>>YOU KNOW, DAVID, WHO RUNS A GREAT POLITICAL SCIENCE INSTITUTED OUT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO IS, I THINK, ONE OF THE GREAT MASTERS OF MODERN POLITICS. AND I READ THE ARTICLE AND HE IS EXACTLY RIGHT. I MEAN, EITHER BIDEN CAN PLAY IN THE ARENA OR HE CAN’T PLAY IN THE ARENA. I THINK HE IS A GRADUALLY DECAYING CANDIDACY. I THINK HE GETS A LITTLE WEAKER EVERY WEEK. I THINK THE MOST INTERESTING THING AND I CONFESS I WAS WRONG ABOUT THIS. I THOUGHT KAMALA HARRIS WOULD COME ON STRONG. BUT THE GAP — HER FAILURE TO PERFORM HAS CREATED A GAP FOR ELIZABETH WARREN WHO NOW IS DOING SURPRISINGLY WELL. AND I JUST HAVE A HUNCH THAT BIDEN WILL CONTINUE TO DECAY. I THINK THAT SENATOR SANDERS WILL CONTINUE TO DECAY. AND I SUSPECT YOU WILL SEE BY THE TIME WE GET TO IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE TOTALLY DIFFERENT DEMOCRATIC RACE. AINSLEY: IT’S INTERESTING THAT YOU BRING UP THAT ELIZABETH WARREN IS DOING BETTER BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT FOX NEWS POLL, JOE BIDEN IN MARCH, GOT 31%. NOW, HE IS STILL GETTING 31%. ELIZABETH WARREN IN MARCH, NEWT, WAS GETTING 4%. AND TODAY, NOW, 20%. THAT’S A HUGE JUMP RIGHT BEHIND HER IS — WELL, BERNIE SANDERS, HE WAS 23 IN MARCH. NOW HE IS 10. KAMALA HARRIS, SHE IS STILL AT 8% AND SHE WAS AT 8% IN MARCH.>>YEAH, AND I THINK SANDERS IS THE ONE WHO HAS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN HE WAS THE NOT HILLARY, HE WAS FRESH, HE WAS INTERESTING. ALL THE COLLEGE STUDENTS COULD GET EXCITED BY HIM. NOW HE IS JUST BERNIE. AND BEING ANGRY AND YELLING AT PEOPLE DOESN’T ACTUALLY WORK VERY OFTEN IN AMERICAN POLITICS. AND WE ARE WATCHING SANDERS SORT OF SELF-DESTRUCT PARTLY JUST BASED ON STYLE. AND PARTLY ON BOREDOM. THEY HAVE ALREADY HEARD EVERYTHING HE HAS TO SAY AND HE HASN’T GOT ANYTHING NEW. AS I SAID, I WAS WRONG. THE BIG SURPRISE TO ME HAS BEEN THE KAMALA HARRIS HAS BEEN SUCH A WEAK PERFORMER. AND ELIZABETH WARREN IS VERY, VERY SMART. SHE IS A LITTLE BIT LIKE YOUR HIGH SCHOOL CHEMISTRY TEACHER. YOU KNOW, SHE IS A LITTLE COLD. IS A LITTLE ALOOF. YOU KNOW SHE IS REALLY, REALLY SMART. YOU ARE NOT EXACTLY SURE YOU WANT HER TO BE IN CHARGE OF YOUR LIFE. AND I THINK SHE IS GOING TO COME ON STRONG. AND I JUST THINK THAT BIDEN’S PROBLEM IS IN THE END THERE IS NOT MUCH THERE. I MEAN, JOE IS A NICE, PLEASANT GUY. BUT IF YOU WATCH HIM OVER, AS I HAVE, FOR MOST OF HIS CAREER, HE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DUFUS. I MEAN, HE DOESN’T QUITE GET THINGS RIGHT AND HE CAN’T QUITE DO THINGS RIGHT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I’M JUST OH JOE, YOU OUGHT TO LIKE ME BECAUSE I’M JOE AND LET’S GO HAVE A BEER TOGETHER. WELL, THAT PROBABLY DOESN’T GET YOU TO THE PRESIDENCY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT GOT HIM TO THE SENATOR OF A VERY SMALL STATE BUT I DON’T THINK IT’S GOING TO GET HIM TO THE PRESIDENCY. DAN: MR. SPEAKER, YOUR THOUGHTS ON MR. TRUMP PAY BE EYEING HIS BIGGEST REAL ESTATE ACQUISITION YET, GREEN LAND. DID YOU READ THIS STORY YESTERDAY? IT’S TERRIFIC.>>LOOK, FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU ELECT A DEVELOPER PRESIDENT, GUESS WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT. STEVE: REAL ESTATE. DAN: PROPERTY, REAL ESTATE, RIGHT.>>LOOK, THE ONLY SURPRISE TO ME IF HE IS GOING TO LOOK AROUND I THINK WANT A PLACE TO PUT FOUR OR FIVE GOLF COURSES. I SOMEHOW DON’T THINK THAT WINTER GOLF IN GREENLAND IS GOING TO BE A BIG WINNER. AGAIN, TRUMP IS A MUCH BETTER MARKETEER THAN I AM. I DON’T KNOW THAT I WANT TO GO OUT AND TRY TO SELL THE MARKET ON YOU TOO HAVE A CHANCE TO PLAY ON A CHANCE TO PLAY ON GLACIER. STEVE: APPARENTLY IN THE 1860s WE WERE LOOKING INTO ACQUIRING THAT AREA AND THEN I THINK DURING THE TRUMAN YEARS THERE WAS SOME SUGGESTION WELL, COULD WE GET OUR HANDS ON GREENLAND? SO THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A NEW IDEA.>>FIRST OF ALL, IT’S ALWAYS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF AN ANOMALY. IT’S ACTUALLY OWNED BIDEN MARK. AND YOU HAD PERIODS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN THE NASA IS IS OCCUPIED DENMARK AND ACTUALLY GREENLAND PLAYED A HUGE ROLE IN THE INVASION IN NORMANDY BECAUSE THE ALLIED WEATHER STATION IN GREENLAND ENABLED US TO KNOW THAT THERE WOULD BE A BREAK IN THE STORM. AND EISENHOWER MADE THE DECISION THAT WE WOULD LAND DURING THIS BREAK. THE GERMANS WHO DID NOT HAVE ANY WEATHER STATIONS TO THE WEST DIDN’T KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING. AND THEY THOUGHT THE STORM WAS GOING TO CONTINUE. TO GREENLAND, IN A WAY, PLAYED A REMARKABLY CENTRAL ROLE AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE PUT THE HUGE AIR BASE UP THERE WHEN WE WERE COMPETING WITH THE SOVIET UNION. I HAVE A HUNCH THAT THE DEIGNS DAIGNS DAINNS DAINSS DAINS MAY NOT SELL US GREENLAND. YOU MAY END UP WITH A TRADE AGREEMENT AT SOME POINT. THE GREENLANDS WILL CONTINUE TO HOLD ONTO THE RIGHTS THERE. STEVE: THAT COULD BE THE
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