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. .>>>TIME NOW FOR “MONEY, POWER,>>>TIME NOW FOR “MONEY, POWER, POLITICS.” POLITICS.” IN THE 2018 ELECTION CYCLE IN THE 2018 ELECTION CYCLE CONSERVATIVE BILLIONAIRES CONSERVATIVE BILLIONAIRES CHARLES AND DAVID KOCH SPENT CHARLES AND DAVID KOCH SPENT ALMOST $400 MILLION BUCKS WITH ALMOST $400 MILLION BUCKS WITH $20 MILLION DEDICATED TO MAKING $20 MILLION DEDICATED TO MAKING SURE THE TAX CUTS PASSED. SURE THE TAX CUTS PASSED. THERE ARE FEW INDIVIDUALS WITH THERE ARE FEW INDIVIDUALS WITH MORE INFLUENCE IN BUSINESS AND MORE INFLUENCE IN BUSINESS AND POLITICS THAN THESE TWO BROTHERS POLITICS THAN THESE TWO BROTHERS ON YOUR SCREEN. ON YOUR SCREEN. THEY OWN ROUGHLY 80% OF KOCH THEY OWN ROUGHLY 80% OF KOCH INDUSTRIES. INDUSTRIES. NOW, WE HEAR ABOUT THEIR NOW, WE HEAR ABOUT THEIR POLITICAL DONATIONS AND THEIR POLITICAL DONATIONS AND THEIR LOBBYING EFFORTS AGAINST CLIMATE LOBBYING EFFORTS AGAINST CLIMATE CHANGE INITIATIVES BUT RARELY CHANGE INITIATIVES BUT RARELY HEAR ABOUT HOW THIS FAMILY GOT HEAR ABOUT HOW THIS FAMILY GOT SO POWERFUL. SO POWERFUL. IN THE NEW BOOK “KOCHLAND” IN THE NEW BOOK “KOCHLAND” KRISTOFFER LEONARD DESCRIBES HOW KRISTOFFER LEONARD DESCRIBES HOW CHARLES KOCH TURNED THIS COMPANY CHARLES KOCH TURNED THIS COMPANY INTO A $110 BILLION EMPIRE AND INTO A $110 BILLION EMPIRE AND HAVE INFILTRATED JUST ABOUT HAVE INFILTRATED JUST ABOUT EVERY THREAD OF AMERICAN LIFE. EVERY THREAD OF AMERICAN LIFE. I’LL SHARE THIS QUOTE. I’LL SHARE THIS QUOTE. THE COMPANY IS EMBEDDED IN THE THE COMPANY IS EMBEDDED IN THE HIDDEN INFRASTRUCTURE OF EVERY HIDDEN INFRASTRUCTURE OF EVERY DAY LIFE. DAY LIFE. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE USE KOCH MILLIONS OF PEOPLE USE KOCH PRODUCTS WITHOUT EVER SEEING PRODUCTS WITHOUT EVER SEEING KOCH’S NAME ATTACHED. KOCH’S NAME ATTACHED. JOINING ME NOW THE AUTHOR JOINING ME NOW THE AUTHOR OF “KOCHLAND THE SECRET STORY OF OF “KOCHLAND THE SECRET STORY OF KOCH INDUSTRIES AND CORPORATE KOCH INDUSTRIES AND CORPORATE POWER IN AMERICA.” POWER IN AMERICA.” CHRISTOPHER, YOU NOTE WE USE CHRISTOPHER, YOU NOTE WE USE KOCH PRODUCTS EVERY DAY AND KOCH PRODUCTS EVERY DAY AND ALMOST NEVER SEE THEIR NAME. ALMOST NEVER SEE THEIR NAME. WHAT ARE THE PRODUCTS? WHAT ARE THE PRODUCTS? HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?>>WELL, THIS COMPANY>>WELL, THIS COMPANY SPECIALIZES IN THE KINDS OF SPECIALIZES IN THE KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT UNDERPIN BUSINESSES THAT UNDERPIN CIVILIZATION. CIVILIZATION. KOCH MAKES FUEL, FERTILIZER, KOCH MAKES FUEL, FERTILIZER, BUILDING MATERIALS, CLOTHING BUILDING MATERIALS, CLOTHING MATERIALS, THE SENSORS IN YOUR MATERIALS, THE SENSORS IN YOUR CELL PHONES. CELL PHONES. THE KIND OF STUFF YOU USE EVERY THE KIND OF STUFF YOU USE EVERY DAY BUT NEVER DIRECTLY PURCHASE DAY BUT NEVER DIRECTLY PURCHASE IF YOU WILL. IF YOU WILL. AND THE PROFITS FROM THIS HAVE AND THE PROFITS FROM THIS HAVE BEEN STUNNING. BEEN STUNNING. KOCH’S ANNUAL SALES FOR EXAMPLE KOCH’S ANNUAL SALES FOR EXAMPLE ARE LARGER THAN THAT OF ARE LARGER THAN THAT OF FACEBOOK, GOLDMAN SACHS, AND FACEBOOK, GOLDMAN SACHS, AND U.S. STEEL COMBINED. U.S. STEEL COMBINED. THIS IS A MASSIVE COMPANY THAT THIS IS A MASSIVE COMPANY THAT AFFECTS MILLIONS OF AMERICANS. AFFECTS MILLIONS OF AMERICANS.>>THEN HOW ON EARTH DO WE>>THEN HOW ON EARTH DO WE BARELY KNOW ABOUT THEM? BARELY KNOW ABOUT THEM? I WANT TO SHARE A QUOTE FROM THE I WANT TO SHARE A QUOTE FROM THE BOOK. BOOK. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE SECRECY. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE SECRECY. YOU WRITE, SECRECY WAS A YOU WRITE, SECRECY WAS A STRATEGIC NECESSITY FOR KOCH STRATEGIC NECESSITY FOR KOCH INDUSTRIES. INDUSTRIES. CHARLES KOCH DID NOT WANT TO CHARLES KOCH DID NOT WANT TO SURRENDER IT. SURRENDER IT. HE ALSO DIDN’T WANT TO SURRENDER HE ALSO DIDN’T WANT TO SURRENDER CONTROL. CONTROL. HE HAD A SPECIFIC, CLEAR VISION HE HAD A SPECIFIC, CLEAR VISION OF HOW TO RUN HIS COMPANY AND HE OF HOW TO RUN HIS COMPANY AND HE DIDN’T NEED WALL STREET DIDN’T NEED WALL STREET INVESTORS TO INTERFERE. INVESTORS TO INTERFERE. SO WAS THE MAGIC OF ALL THIS TO SO WAS THE MAGIC OF ALL THIS TO KEEP THE COMPANY PRIVATE? KEEP THE COMPANY PRIVATE?>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>THAT’S RIGHT. WHAT IS SO INTERESTING TO ME IS WHAT IS SO INTERESTING TO ME IS THE SECRECY AROUND THIS THE SECRECY AROUND THIS CORPORATION. CORPORATION. WE KNOW KOCH, FOR EXAMPLE, VERY WE KNOW KOCH, FOR EXAMPLE, VERY INTENTIONALLY DISGUISES ITS INTENTIONALLY DISGUISES ITS POLITICAL DONATIONS. POLITICAL DONATIONS. WELL, THAT COMES FROM THE WELL, THAT COMES FROM THE BUSINESS ITSELF. BUSINESS ITSELF. AND WHAT I REALIZED IS THAT AND WHAT I REALIZED IS THAT SECRECY IS STRATEGIC FOR KOCH SECRECY IS STRATEGIC FOR KOCH INDUSTRIES. INDUSTRIES. FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A COMPANY FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A COMPANY THAT IS REALLY DEEPLY INVOLVED THAT IS REALLY DEEPLY INVOLVED IN WHAT WE WOULD CALL TRADING, IN WHAT WE WOULD CALL TRADING, BUYING AND SELLING, ENERGY, BUYING AND SELLING, ENERGY, SUPPLIES, EVEN BUYING AND SUPPLIES, EVEN BUYING AND SELLING OTHER COMPANIES. SELLING OTHER COMPANIES. WHEN THAT’S YOUR LINE OF WORK WHEN THAT’S YOUR LINE OF WORK YOU REALLY DON’T WANT OTHER YOU REALLY DON’T WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW AND PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW AND TO KNOW WHAT YOU’RE BE TO DO. TO KNOW WHAT YOU’RE BE TO DO. THAT’S WHY SECRECY IS SO THAT’S WHY SECRECY IS SO FUNDAMENTAL TO THIS COMPANY. FUNDAMENTAL TO THIS COMPANY.>>CHARLIE, YOU HAVE SEEN THIS>>CHARLIE, YOU HAVE SEEN THIS PLAY OUT IN WISCONSIN, WISCONSIN PLAY OUT IN WISCONSIN, WISCONSIN POLITICS. POLITICS. PUT IT INTO CONTEXT. PUT IT INTO CONTEXT.>>WELL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY>>WELL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE BEEN MAJOR PLAYERS IN THE HAVE BEEN MAJOR PLAYERS IN THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT AND THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT AND THE RISE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BUT RISE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BUT WHAT IS INTERESTING TO ME, ALSO, WHAT IS INTERESTING TO ME, ALSO, IS THE WAY THAT — IS THE RULE IS THE WAY THAT — IS THE RULE THEY’RE GOING TO PLAY IN THE ERA THEY’RE GOING TO PLAY IN THE ERA OF TRUMP. OF TRUMP. THEY NEVER REALLY GOT ON BOARD THEY NEVER REALLY GOT ON BOARD WITH DONALD TRUMP AND THE THING WITH DONALD TRUMP AND THE THING ABOUT THE KOCHS AND I’M TALKING ABOUT THE KOCHS AND I’M TALKING ABOUT POLITICS, IN CONTRAST TO ABOUT POLITICS, IN CONTRAST TO SOME OF THE OTHER PLAYERS LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER PLAYERS LIKE THE MERCERS, THEY DO THINK THEY THE MERCERS, THEY DO THINK THEY ACTUALLY CARED ABOUT IDEAS. ACTUALLY CARED ABOUT IDEAS. AND I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN AND I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN WILLING TO STAY ARMS LENGTH. WILLING TO STAY ARMS LENGTH.>>AND –>>AND –>>THEY BOUGHT INTO THE WHOLE>>THEY BOUGHT INTO THE WHOLE STEVE BANNON, YOU KNOW, TRUMP STEVE BANNON, YOU KNOW, TRUMP SORT OF WORLD VIEW. SORT OF WORLD VIEW. AND I THINK THAT IT’S AND I THINK THAT IT’S INTERESTING TO ME TO NOTE WHAT INTERESTING TO ME TO NOTE WHAT ROLE THE KOCHS WILL PLAY OR THE ROLE THE KOCHS WILL PLAY OR THE KOCH — THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL KOCH — THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL PLAY IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND PLAY IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT POST THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT POST DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP. THESE GUYS ARE HARD TO KIND OF, THESE GUYS ARE HARD TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IS JUST PUT INTO A BOX YOU KNOW, IS JUST PUT INTO A BOX BECAUSE THEY’RE QUITE BECAUSE THEY’RE QUITE LIBERTARIAN. LIBERTARIAN. THEY ARE INTERESTED IN A WHOLE THEY ARE INTERESTED IN A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS. LOT OF THINGS.>>KRISTOFFER,CHRISTOPHER YOU GO>>KRISTOFFER,CHRISTOPHER YOU GO GREATER DETAIL AROUND HOW DONALD GREATER DETAIL AROUND HOW DONALD TRUMP WAS CERTAINLY NOT THE KOCH TRUMP WAS CERTAINLY NOT THE KOCH BROTHERS’ BOY. BROTHERS’ BOY. THEY CONSIDERED FIVE DIFFERENT THEY CONSIDERED FIVE DIFFERENT REPUBLICANS IN 2016. REPUBLICANS IN 2016. NONE OF THEM WERE THE PRESIDENT. NONE OF THEM WERE THE PRESIDENT. YOU WROTE THIS. YOU WROTE THIS. IN MANY WAYS, DONALD TRUMP POSED IN MANY WAYS, DONALD TRUMP POSED A GREATER POLITICAL THREAT TO A GREATER POLITICAL THREAT TO CHARLES KOCH’S POLITICAL AGENDA CHARLES KOCH’S POLITICAL AGENDA THAN BARACK OBAMA. THAN BARACK OBAMA. THAT IS A BIG STATEMENT. THAT IS A BIG STATEMENT. HOW? HOW?>>WELL, CHARLES KOCH HAS BEEN>>WELL, CHARLES KOCH HAS BEEN PATIENTLY WORKING TO RESHAPE THE PATIENTLY WORKING TO RESHAPE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR 40 YEARS. REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR 40 YEARS. HIS GOAL AS CHARLIE JUST SAID IS HIS GOAL AS CHARLIE JUST SAID IS TO MAKE THE REPUBLICANS MORE TO MAKE THE REPUBLICANS MORE LIBERTARIAN WITH THIS POINT OF LIBERTARIAN WITH THIS POINT OF VIEW THAT GOVERNMENT MUST BE VIEW THAT GOVERNMENT MUST BE LIMITED AND MUST NEVER INTERVENE LIMITED AND MUST NEVER INTERVENE IN MARKETS. IN MARKETS. WHEN DONALD TRUMP CAME ALONG IN WHEN DONALD TRUMP CAME ALONG IN 2016, HE UP ENDED THAT 2016, HE UP ENDED THAT PHILOSOPHY. PHILOSOPHY. DONALD TRUMP CLEARLY BELIEVES DONALD TRUMP CLEARLY BELIEVES THAT GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION IS THAT GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION IS NOT ONLY APPROPRIATE BUT NOT ONLY APPROPRIATE BUT DESIRABLE. DESIRABLE. JUST LOOK AT THE TARIFFS. JUST LOOK AT THE TARIFFS. LOOK AT THE TRADE WAR. LOOK AT THE TRADE WAR. DONALD TRUMP IS SEEKING TO DONALD TRUMP IS SEEKING TO RESHAPE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NOW RESHAPE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NOW IN HIS OWN IMAGE, WHICH IS THIS IN HIS OWN IMAGE, WHICH IS THIS SO-CALLED AMERICA FIRST AGENDA. SO-CALLED AMERICA FIRST AGENDA. IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE AMERICA FIRST AGENDA IS ANATHEMA AMERICA FIRST AGENDA IS ANATHEMA TO THE KOCH NETWORK. TO THE KOCH NETWORK. THERE IS A STRUGGLE AND A FIGHT THERE IS A STRUGGLE AND A FIGHT FOR CONTROL FOR THE FUTURE OF FOR CONTROL FOR THE FUTURE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND I THINK

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>>>THIS MORNING WE’RE LEARNING>>>THIS MORNING WE’RE LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE TRUMP MORE ABOUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION’S LATEST ATTEMPT ADMINISTRATION’S LATEST ATTEMPT TO DETER IMMIGRANTS FROM PASSING TO DETER IMMIGRANTS FROM PASSING THE BORDER, BLOOMBERG REPORTING THE BORDER, BLOOMBERG REPORTING FOR MONTHS THE WHITE HOUSE HAS FOR MONTHS THE WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO BEEN TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO BLOCK UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT BLOCK UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT CHILDREN FROM ENROLLING IN CHILDREN FROM ENROLLING IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS AS CALIFORNIA PUBLIC SCHOOLS AS CALIFORNIA BECOMES THE LATEST STATE TO BECOMES THE LATEST STATE TO CHALLENGE THE ADMINISTRATION’S CHALLENGE THE ADMINISTRATION’S PUBLIC CHARGE RULE WHICH AIMS TO PUBLIC CHARGE RULE WHICH AIMS TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR POOR MAKE IT HARDER FOR POOR IMMIGRANTS TO BECOME LEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO BECOME LEGAL RESIDENTS. RESIDENTS. THE MASTERMIND BEHIND BOTH THE MASTERMIND BEHIND BOTH POLICIES, TRUMP AIDE STEPHEN POLICIES, TRUMP AIDE STEPHEN MILLER WHOSE PATH TO POWER MADE MILLER WHOSE PATH TO POWER MADE IT TO TWO FRONT PAGES THIS IT TO TWO FRONT PAGES THIS WEEKEND. WEEKEND. “THE TIMES” WRITING THIS. “THE TIMES” WRITING THIS. MR. MILLER NOW OCCUPIES A LARGE MR. MILLER NOW OCCUPIES A LARGE WEST WING OFFICE AND HAS WEST WING OFFICE AND HAS INFLUENCE ON VIRTUALLY EVERY INFLUENCE ON VIRTUALLY EVERY ELEMENT OF IMMIGRATION POLICY ELEMENT OF IMMIGRATION POLICY FROM THE WORDS THE PRESIDENT FROM THE WORDS THE PRESIDENT USES TO THE REGULATIONS. USES TO THE REGULATIONS. MR. MILLER IS A SPEECHWRITER, MR. MILLER IS A SPEECHWRITER, POLICY ARCHITECT, PERSONNEL POLICY ARCHITECT, PERSONNEL DIRECTOR, LEGISLATIVE AIDE, DIRECTOR, LEGISLATIVE AIDE, SPOKESMAN, AND STRATEGIST. SPOKESMAN, AND STRATEGIST. AT EVERY STEP, HE HAS PUSHED FOR AT EVERY STEP, HE HAS PUSHED FOR THE HARDEST LINE POSSIBLE. THE HARDEST LINE POSSIBLE. JOINING ME NOW THE REPORTER JOINING ME NOW THE REPORTER BEHIND THAT PIECE WITH THE “NEW BEHIND THAT PIECE WITH THE “NEW YORK TIMES” ALSO THE AUTHOR OF YORK TIMES” ALSO THE AUTHOR OF THE NEW BOOK OUT TOMORROW “A THE NEW BOOK OUT TOMORROW “A GOOD PROVIDER IS ONE WHO LEAVES GOOD PROVIDER IS ONE WHO LEAVES ONE’S FAMILY AND MIGRATION IN ONE’S FAMILY AND MIGRATION IN THE 21st CENTURY.” THE 21st CENTURY.” JOYCE VANCE FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY JOYCE VANCE FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY AND PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY AND PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA LAW SCHOOL AND OF ALABAMA LAW SCHOOL AND CONGRESSWOMAN SHERRILL BACK WITH CONGRESSWOMAN SHERRILL BACK WITH ME. ME. JOYCE, I WANT TO START FIRST JOYCE, I WANT TO START FIRST WITH THE REPORT THAT THE TRUMP WITH THE REPORT THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO BLOCK IMMIGRANT CHILDREN FROM BLOCK IMMIGRANT CHILDREN FROM ATTENDING PUBLIC SCHOOL. ATTENDING PUBLIC SCHOOL. I KNOW YOU DEALT WITH SOMETHING I KNOW YOU DEALT WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN ALABAMA. LIKE THIS IN ALABAMA. WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT HAPPENED?>>THIS IS CLEARLY>>THIS IS CLEARLY UN-CONSTITUTIONAL AND STEMS FROM UN-CONSTITUTIONAL AND STEMS FROM A SUPREME COURT CASE BACK IN THE A SUPREME COURT CASE BACK IN THE 1980s. 1980s. IN THE ALABAMA CASE, ALABAMA’S IN THE ALABAMA CASE, ALABAMA’S EFFORTS BY STATE LAW TO FORCE EFFORTS BY STATE LAW TO FORCE KIDS TO REVEAL THEIR PARENTS’ KIDS TO REVEAL THEIR PARENTS’ IMMIGRATION STATUS SO THEY COULD IMMIGRATION STATUS SO THEY COULD REGISTER FOR SCHOOL, A MEASURE REGISTER FOR SCHOOL, A MEASURE CLEARLY AN EFFORT TO FORCE CLEARLY AN EFFORT TO FORCE PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE WITHOUT PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE WITHOUT LEGAL IMMIGRATION STATUS TO LEGAL IMMIGRATION STATUS TO REVEAL THEMSELVES, WAS REVEAL THEMSELVES, WAS ULTIMATELY HELD ULTIMATELY HELD UN-CONSTITUTIONAL BY THE 11th UN-CONSTITUTIONAL BY THE 11th CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS AND THE CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS AND THE SUPREME COURT DECLINED TO SUPREME COURT DECLINED TO REVERSE THAT RULING. REVERSE THAT RULING. THIS IS A REALLY COMMON SENSE THIS IS A REALLY COMMON SENSE REASONING WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT REASONING WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT. IT. IT SAYS, FIRST, IF THESE KIDS IT SAYS, FIRST, IF THESE KIDS CAN’T GET AN EDUCATION, THEY’LL CAN’T GET AN EDUCATION, THEY’LL NEVER BE ABLE TO MAKE A NEVER BE ABLE TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION. CONTRIBUTION. THAT WE SHOULDN’T PENALIZE THEM THAT WE SHOULDN’T PENALIZE THEM AT THAT YOUNG AGE. AT THAT YOUNG AGE. SECONDARILY, IT SAYS, WE AREN’T SECONDARILY, IT SAYS, WE AREN’T A COUNTRY THAT PUNISHES INNOCENT A COUNTRY THAT PUNISHES INNOCENT CHILDREN FOR DECISIONS THAT CHILDREN FOR DECISIONS THAT THEIR PARENTS MAKE. THEIR PARENTS MAKE. TWO, THREE, 4-YEAR-OLD KIDS TWO, THREE, 4-YEAR-OLD KIDS DON’T CHOOSE TO COME TO THIS DON’T CHOOSE TO COME TO THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. EVEN OLDER CHILDREN ARE DIRECTED EVEN OLDER CHILDREN ARE DIRECTED BY THEIR PARENTS. BY THEIR PARENTS. THEY SHOULD STILL GET AN THEY SHOULD STILL GET AN EDUCATION. EDUCATION. THAT’S BEEN VERY CLEAR LAW IN THAT’S BEEN VERY CLEAR LAW IN THIS COUNTRY SINCE AT LEAST THE THIS COUNTRY SINCE AT LEAST THE 1980s. 1980s. SO THIS EFFORT TO GO AROUND SUCH SO THIS EFFORT TO GO AROUND SUCH A CLEAR RULE OF LAW IN SUCH A A CLEAR RULE OF LAW IN SUCH A MEAN SPIRITED WAY IS I THINK A MEAN SPIRITED WAY IS I THINK A VERY DANGEROUS DEVELOPMENT IN VERY DANGEROUS DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. THIS AREA.>>CONGRESSWOMAN, WHILE IT MIGHT>>CONGRESSWOMAN, WHILE IT MIGHT BE UN-CONSTITUTIONAL, DOES THE BE UN-CONSTITUTIONAL, DOES THE SPIRIT OF IT REFLECT HOW AMERICA SPIRIT OF IT REFLECT HOW AMERICA CURRENTLY FEELS? CURRENTLY FEELS? WE KNOW OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION WE KNOW OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM IS FAILING. SYSTEM IS FAILING. ARE THERE AMERICANS WHO MIGHT ARE THERE AMERICANS WHO MIGHT NOT BE HARD LINE ANTI-IMMIGRANT NOT BE HARD LINE ANTI-IMMIGRANT AMERICANS WHO CERTAINLY DON’T AMERICANS WHO CERTAINLY DON’T SUPPORT CHILD SEPARATION POLICY SUPPORT CHILD SEPARATION POLICY BUT WHO DO SUPPORT THE IDEA THAT BUT WHO DO SUPPORT THE IDEA THAT UNTIL EVERY AMERICAN CHILD IS UNTIL EVERY AMERICAN CHILD IS GETTING A GOOD EDUCATION WE GETTING A GOOD EDUCATION WE SHOULDN’T OFFER AN EDUCATION TO SHOULDN’T OFFER AN EDUCATION TO OTHERS AND, YES, IT MAY BE OTHERS AND, YES, IT MAY BE UN-CONSTITUTIONAL, BUT I’M JUST UN-CONSTITUTIONAL, BUT I’M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SPIRIT. TALKING ABOUT THE SPIRIT.>>I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME>>I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME AMERICANS. AMERICANS. BUT THAT CERTAINLY IS BUT THAT CERTAINLY IS SHORT-SIGHTED. SHORT-SIGHTED. WHEN WE’RE NOT EDUCATING YOUNG WHEN WE’RE NOT EDUCATING YOUNG PEOPLE, NOT DOING THE MOST WE PEOPLE, NOT DOING THE MOST WE CAN FOR OUR ECONOMY. CAN FOR OUR ECONOMY. YES, DO WE NEED TO DO A BETTER YES, DO WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB EDUCATING AMERICAN CITIZENS? JOB EDUCATING AMERICAN CITIZENS? CERTAINLY. CERTAINLY. I AM PROUD TO SAY NEW JERSEY HAS I AM PROUD TO SAY NEW JERSEY HAS ONE OF THE BEST PUBLIC SCHOOL ONE OF THE BEST PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATION SYSTEMS IN THE COUNTRY EDUCATION SYSTEMS IN THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW. HOWEVER, WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE HOWEVER, WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE HAVE YOUNG SURE THAT AS WE HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN HERE WHO WERE BROUGHT CHILDREN HERE WHO WERE BROUGHT HERE THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR HERE THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN THAT WE’RE GIVING THEM A OWN THAT WE’RE GIVING THEM A GOOD ECONOMIC FUTURE BECAUSE YOU GOOD ECONOMIC FUTURE BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHEN WE’VE JUST HAD KNOW WHEN WE’VE JUST HAD D.A.C.A. REFORM PASSED IN THE D.A.C.A. REFORM PASSED IN THE HOUSE WHEN WE SEE THIS CHANCES HOUSE WHEN WE SEE THIS CHANCES ARE MANY OF THESE CHILDREN ARE ARE MANY OF THESE CHILDREN ARE GOING TO BE CONTRIBUTORS TO OUR GOING TO BE CONTRIBUTORS TO OUR ECONOMY IN THE FUTURE. ECONOMY IN THE FUTURE. THEY CAN’T DO THAT IF THEY DON’T THEY CAN’T DO THAT IF THEY DON’T HAVE AN EDUCATION. HAVE AN EDUCATION.>>GREAT POINT.>>GREAT POINT. JASON, IN YOUR PIECE ABOUT JASON, IN YOUR PIECE ABOUT STEPHEN MILLER YOU QUOTE SOME OF STEPHEN MILLER YOU QUOTE SOME OF HIS EARLY COLUMNS AND TV HIS EARLY COLUMNS AND TV APPEARANCES AND A COUPLE STUCK APPEARANCES AND A COUPLE STUCK OUT TO ME. OUT TO ME. THE QUOTE FROM THEODORE THE QUOTE FROM THEODORE ROOSEVELT INCLUDED IN HIS HIGH ROOSEVELT INCLUDED IN HIS HIGH SCHOOL YEARBOOK. SCHOOL YEARBOOK. THERE CAN BE NO 50/50 THERE CAN BE NO 50/50 AMERICANISM IN THIS COUNTRY. AMERICANISM IN THIS COUNTRY. THERE IS ROOM HERE FOR ONLY 100% THERE IS ROOM HERE FOR ONLY 100% AMERICANISM. AMERICANISM. ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE AMERICANS ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE AMERICANS AND NOTHING ELSE. AND NOTHING ELSE. AND THEN IN HIS FIRST JOB AS AN AND THEN IN HIS FIRST JOB AS AN AIDE TO A REPUBLICAN AIDE TO A REPUBLICAN CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELLE BACKMAN, CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELLE BACKMAN, ARGUING UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRANTS ARGUING UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRANTS WERE BRINGING IN DISEASES, WERE BRINGING IN DISEASES, BRINGING IN DRUGS, BRINGING IN BRINGING IN DRUGS, BRINGING IN VIOLENCE. VIOLENCE. WE HAVE HEARD VERY SIMILAR WE HAVE HEARD VERY SIMILAR LANGUAGE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE LANGUAGE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE AND IT SEEMS LIKE MILLER FORMED AND IT SEEMS LIKE MILLER FORMED THESE OPINIONS AT A YOUNG AGE THESE OPINIONS AT A YOUNG AGE YET WHEN HE JOINED THIS YET WHEN HE JOINED THIS ADMINISTRATION FORMER AIDES TO ADMINISTRATION FORMER AIDES TO THE PRESIDENT SAID HE’S JUST A THE PRESIDENT SAID HE’S JUST A SPEECHWRITER. SPEECHWRITER. A SPEECHWRITER WHO IS REALLY A SPEECHWRITER WHO IS REALLY SMART AND GETS THE PRESIDENT’S SMART AND GETS THE PRESIDENT’S VOICE. VOICE. HE IS NOT JUST A SPEECHWRITER HE IS NOT JUST A SPEECHWRITER ANYMORE. ANYMORE. HE’S HAD THESE VALUES FOR QUITE HE’S HAD THESE VALUES FOR QUITE SOMETIME AND NOW THOSE VALUES SOMETIME AND NOW THOSE VALUES AND VIEWS ARE BEING ENACTED IN AND VIEWS ARE BEING ENACTED IN POLICY. POLICY.>>NO, HE’S NOT JUST A>>NO, HE’S NOT JUST A SPEECHWRITER. SPEECHWRITER. HE IS THE MOST PROMINENT FACE OF HE IS THE MOST PROMINENT FACE OF A VERY INFLUENTIAL MOVEMENT THAT A VERY INFLUENTIAL MOVEMENT THAT HAS I THINK OVERTAKEN THE HAS I THINK OVERTAKEN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. REPUBLICAN PARTY. THE MOVEMENT TO RESTRICT THE MOVEMENT TO RESTRICT IMMIGRATION. IMMIGRATION. AND I THINK THERE’S AN ELEMENT AND I THINK THERE’S AN ELEMENT OF POTENTIAL SELF-FULFILLING OF POTENTIAL SELF-FULFILLING PROPHESY IN THIS. PROPHESY IN THIS. CRITICS OF IMMIGRATION WORRY CRITICS OF IMMIGRATION WORRY THAT IMMIGRANTS WON’T THAT IMMIGRANTS WON’T ASSIMILATE, BUT IF YOU CONTINUE ASSIMILATE, BUT IF YOU CONTINUE TO TELL THEM THAT THEY’RE NOT TO TELL THEM THAT THEY’RE NOT WELCOME AND IF YOU DENY THEIR WELCOME AND IF YOU DENY THEIR CHILDREN ACCESS TO PUBLIC CHILDREN ACCESS TO PUBLIC EDUCATION, YOU’RE ALMOST EDUCATION, YOU’RE ALMOST ENSURING THE OUTCOME THAT YOU ENSURING THE OUTCOME THAT YOU FEAR. FEAR.>>JOYCE, THE LATEST IMMIGRATION>>JOYCE, THE LATEST IMMIGRATION MOVE OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE IS MOVE OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE IS THIS PUBLIC CHARGE RULE MAKING THIS PUBLIC CHARGE RULE MAKING IT HARDER FOR IMMIGRANTS WHO IT HARDER FOR IMMIGRANTS WHO REQUIRE GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE TO REQUIRE GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE TO GET LEGAL STATUS. GET LEGAL STATUS. I KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL I KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL LAWSUITS AROUND THAT THAT I WANT LAWSUITS AROUND THAT THAT I WANT YOU TO HELP US UNDERSTAND BUT AT YOU TO HELP US UNDERSTAND BUT AT THE SAME TIME THE PRESIDENT IS THE SAME TIME THE PRESIDENT IS SAYING HE IS SICK AND TIRED OF SAYING HE IS SICK AND TIRED OF IMMIGRANTS COMING TO THIS IMMIGRANTS COMING TO THIS COUNTRY AND IMMEDIATELY GOING ON COUNTRY AND IMMEDIATELY GOING ON WELFARE, LEAVING OUT THE FACT WELFARE, LEAVING OUT THE FACT THAT THE MAJORITY OF IMMIGRANTS THAT THE MAJORITY OF IMMIGRANTS COMING INTO THIS COUNTRY AREN’T COMING INTO THIS COUNTRY AREN’T CURRENTLY ELIGIBLE FOR WELFARE. CURRENTLY ELIGIBLE FOR WELFARE. I’M TALKING DREAMERS, I’M TALKING DREAMERS, UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS, UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS, TEMPORARY WORKERS, SEASONAL TEMPORARY WORKERS, SEASONAL WORKERS, H1B VISA HOLDERS. WORKERS, H1B VISA HOLDERS. NONE OF THESE PEOPLE GET NONE OF THESE PEOPLE GET WELFARE. WELFARE. WHEN YOU’RE TALKING THE DAYS OF WHEN YOU’RE TALKING THE DAYS OF THE STATUE OF LIBERTY WE DIDN’T THE STATUE OF LIBERTY WE DIDN’T HAVE A WELFARE STATE. HAVE A WELFARE STATE.>>YOU KNOW, THIS CHANGE TO THE>>YOU KNOW, THIS CHANGE TO THE PUBLIC CHARGE RULE IS VERY MUCH PUBLIC CHARGE RULE IS VERY MUCH IN KEEPING WITH THE MEAN IN KEEPING WITH THE MEAN SPIRITEDNESS THAT REALLY SPIRITEDNESS THAT REALLY PERMEATES ALL OF THE PRESIDENT’S PERMEATES ALL OF THE PRESIDENT’S POLICY ON IMMIGRATION. POLICY ON IMMIGRATION. AND AS YOU POINT OUT IN THIS AND AS YOU POINT OUT IN THIS AREA, IT’S NOT REALLY A PROBLEM. AREA, IT’S NOT REALLY A PROBLEM. THIS IS PART OF AN IDEOLOGICAL THIS IS PART OF AN IDEOLOGICAL SHIFT. SHIFT. WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT MILLER WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT MILLER DOESN’T COME TO IMMIGRATION WITH DOESN’T COME TO IMMIGRATION WITH ENORMOUS PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE OR ENORMOUS PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE OR POLICY WORK IN THE AREA. POLICY WORK IN THE AREA. HE IS PRIMARILY AN IDEOLOGUE SO HE IS PRIMARILY AN IDEOLOGUE SO THIS IS PART OF THE TREND OF THIS IS PART OF THE TREND OF CONTINUING TO RESTRICT NOT JUST CONTINUING TO RESTRICT NOT JUST IMMIGRANTS WHO COME WITHOUT IMMIGRANTS WHO COME WITHOUT LEGAL STATUS BUT ALSO LEGAL LEGAL STATUS BUT ALSO LEGAL IMMIGRATION. IMMIGRATION. IT IS DANGEROUS AND SURPRISINGLY IT IS DANGEROUS AND SURPRISINGLY SHORT-SIGHTED. SHORT-SIGHTED. YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT SCHOOLS IN YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT SCHOOLS IN ALABAMA WHICH IS A HEAD COUNT ALABAMA WHICH IS A HEAD COUNT STATE. STATE. THAT MEANS IT’S FEDERAL FUNDING THAT MEANS IT’S FEDERAL FUNDING FOR EDUCATION BASED ON THE COUNT FOR EDUCATION BASED ON THE COUNT OF KIDS IN THE CLASSROOM WHEN OF KIDS IN THE CLASSROOM WHEN IMMIGRANT KIDS AND THE CHILDREN IMMIGRANT KIDS AND THE CHILDREN OF MIGRANTS DIDN’T GO TO SCHOOL OF MIGRANTS DIDN’T GO TO SCHOOL IN ALABAMA BECAUSE OF ITS BILL, IN ALABAMA BECAUSE OF ITS BILL, FUNDING DROPPED DRAMATICALLY AND FUNDING DROPPED DRAMATICALLY AND IT WAS SORT OF A WAY OF, YOU IT WAS SORT OF A WAY OF, YOU KNOW, CUTTING OFF YOUR NOSE TO KNOW, CUTTING OFF YOUR NOSE TO SPITE YOUR OWN FACE. SPITE YOUR OWN FACE. WE SEE MANY BAD ECONOMIC FALL WE SEE MANY BAD ECONOMIC FALL JOUTS JOUTS OUTS WHEN WE DON’T APPRECIATE OUTS WHEN WE DON’T APPRECIATE THE IMPETUS THE IMMIGRANTS BRING THE IMPETUS THE IMMIGRANTS BRING TO OUR ECONOMIC ENGINES. TO OUR ECONOMIC ENGINES.>>JASON, WE KNOW STEPHEN>>JASON, WE KNOW STEPHEN MILLER’S ANTI-IMMIGRANT IDEOLOGY MILLER’S ANTI-IMMIGRANT IDEOLOGY IS IN LINE WITH THE PRESIDENT’S IS IN LINE WITH THE PRESIDENT’S VIEWS. VIEWS. A LOT OF THEM HAVE MADE MAJOR A LOT OF THEM HAVE MADE MAJOR HEADLINES AND CAUSED HUGE HEADLINES AND CAUSED HUGE BACKLASH, TALKING THE MUSLIM BACKLASH, TALKING THE MUSLIM BAN, CHILD SEPARATION POLICY, BAN, CHILD SEPARATION POLICY, BUT YOU NOTE IN YOUR PIECE THAT BUT YOU NOTE IN YOUR PIECE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF POLICIES THERE ARE A NUMBER OF POLICIES NOT JUST IDEOLOGIES BUT POLICIES NOT JUST IDEOLOGIES BUT POLICIES THAT HAVEN’T GOENT THE SAME THAT HAVEN’T GOENT THE SAME ATTENTION BUT MAYBE THEY SHOULD. ATTENTION BUT MAYBE THEY SHOULD. WALK US THROUGH WHAT THEY ARE. WALK US THROUGH WHAT THEY ARE.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS INSTINCTS. INSTINCTS. I THINK STEPHEN MILLER HAS I THINK STEPHEN MILLER HAS POLICY KNOWLEDGE AND HAS AN POLICY KNOWLEDGE AND HAS AN ABILITY TO OPERATIONALIZE AS ONE ABILITY TO OPERATIONALIZE AS ONE OF HIS ALLIES PUT IT THE OF HIS ALLIES PUT IT THE PRESIDENT’S PHILOSOPHY. PRESIDENT’S PHILOSOPHY. STEPHEN MILLER KNOWS THE HUNDRED STEPHEN MILLER KNOWS THE HUNDRED RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT CAN RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT CAN SLOW DOWN THE APPLICATION FOR SLOW DOWN THE APPLICATION FOR VISAS THAT CAN MAKE IT HARDER VISAS THAT CAN MAKE IT HARDER FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE A LEGAL FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO BE IN THE COUNTRY TO RIGHT TO BE IN THE COUNTRY TO GET THEIR PAPERS THROUGH AND GET THEIR PAPERS THROUGH AND HE’S DONE THAT VERY HE’S DONE THAT VERY SUCCESSFULLY, QUITE OUT OF THE SUCCESSFULLY, QUITE OUT OF THE PUBLIC EYE. PUBLIC EYE.>>SO HE IS QUIETLY SLOW PLAYING>>SO HE IS QUIETLY SLOW PLAYING THESE MEASURES THAT ARE LEGAL THESE MEASURES THAT ARE LEGAL MEASURES FOR PEOPLE TO GAIN — MEASURES FOR PEOPLE TO GAIN –>>CRITICS CALL IT THE INVISIBLE>>CRITICS CALL IT THE INVISIBLE WALL. WALL.>>CONGRESSWOMAN, WHAT DO YOU DO>>CONGRESSWOMAN, WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THAT? ABOUT THAT? WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU ARE WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU ARE PUBLICLY FIGHTING A PRESIDENT PUBLICLY FIGHTING A PRESIDENT GETTING FUNDING FOR A WALL GETTING FUNDING FOR A WALL BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND MEXICO AND BEING SUCCESSFUL? MEXICO AND BEING SUCCESSFUL? WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THE WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THE INVISIBLE WALL? INVISIBLE WALL?>>WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE IS>>WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE IS COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM. REFORM. WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR IMMIGRATION WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR IMMIGRATION POLICIES, THERE ARE MANY POLICIES, THERE ARE MANY IMMIGRATION POLICIES THAT I IMMIGRATION POLICIES THAT I THINK ARE IMMORAL LIKE CHILD THINK ARE IMMORAL LIKE CHILD SEPARATION. SEPARATION. THERE’S ALSO THE IMMIGRATION THERE’S ALSO THE IMMIGRATION POLICIES THAT ARE JUST HURTING POLICIES THAT ARE JUST HURTING OUR ECONOMY. OUR ECONOMY. AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE REVERBERATING THROUGHOUT REVERBERATING THROUGHOUT AGRICULTURE, THROUGHOUT OUR AGRICULTURE, THROUGHOUT OUR SEASONAL WORKER PROGRAMS, EVEN SEASONAL WORKER PROGRAMS, EVEN INTO SOME OF OUR COLLEGES AND INTO SOME OF OUR COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES WHICH ARE THE BEST UNIVERSITIES WHICH ARE THE BEST IN THE WORLD NOW HAVING TROUBLE IN THE WORLD NOW HAVING TROUBLE RECRUITING SOME OF THE TOP MINDS RECRUITING SOME OF THE TOP MINDS IN THE GLOBE. IN THE GLOBE. THESE ARE REALLY GOING TO IMPACT THESE ARE REALLY GOING TO IMPACT OUR ABILITY TO GROW OUR ECONOMY OUR ABILITY TO GROW OUR ECONOMY IN THE FUTURE. IN THE FUTURE.>>REMIND OUR AUDIENCE, ILLEGAL>>REMIND OUR AUDIENCE, ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSINGS WERE AT A BORDER CROSSINGS WERE AT A 50-YEAR LOW WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA 50-YEAR LOW WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA LEFT OFFICE. LEFT OFFICE. IN TERMS OF COMPREHENSIVE

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ALTHOUGH SHE WAS NOT ON HIS PAYROLL, HE HELPED ORGANIZING PAYROLL, HE HELPED ORGANIZING HIS LIFE AND CALLING HER “HIS HIS LIFE AND CALLING HER “HIS BEST FRIEND.” BEST FRIEND.”>>LET’S BRING IN TOM WINTER AND>>LET’S BRING IN TOM WINTER AND OUR STEVE EATON. OUR STEVE EATON. TOM, TO YOU FIRST. TOM, TO YOU FIRST. REVELATIONS IN EACH COURT REVELATIONS IN EACH COURT DOCUMENTS OF MAXWELL, WHAT DID DOCUMENTS OF MAXWELL, WHAT DID THEY CONFIRM THAT WE DID NOT THEY CONFIRM THAT WE DID NOT KNOW ALREADY? KNOW ALREADY? THIS IS THE DAUGHTER O F A THIS IS THE DAUGHTER O F A SWINDLER AND A CON MAN WHEN HER SWINDLER AND A CON MAN WHEN HER FATHER ROBERT MAXWELL DIED FATHER ROBERT MAXWELL DIED MYSTERIOUSLY MYSTERIOUSLY MYSTERIOUSLY FOUND NAKED ALL OF MYSTERIOUSLY FOUND NAKED ALL OF HIS YACHT. HIS YACHT. HE OWNED OVER 40 BANKS. HE OWNED OVER 40 BANKS. $4 BILLION. $4 BILLION. HOW DID HESHE ROLL WITH SOME OF HOW DID HESHE ROLL WITH SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN THE THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD AND NOW NO ONE KNOWS WHERE WORLD AND NOW NO ONE KNOWS WHERE SHE IS. SHE IS. HOW CAN SHE AFFORD LIVING OFF HOW CAN SHE AFFORD LIVING OFF THE GRID? THE GRID? I CAN’T. I CAN’T.>>GETTING INTO THE MAXWELL’S>>GETTING INTO THE MAXWELL’S FINANCES AND GETTING INTO THE FINANCES AND GETTING INTO THE EXACT QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED, EXACT QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED, HOW IS SHE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO HOW IS SHE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO THIS OR AFFORD TO LIVE IN THIS THIS OR AFFORD TO LIVE IN THIS WORLD. WORLD. WE KNOW FROM SOME OF THE WE KNOW FROM SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT JEFFERY EPSTEIN DOCUMENTS THAT JEFFERY EPSTEIN BOUGHT HER A HELICOPTER AND SHE BOUGHT HER A HELICOPTER AND SHE FLEW THAT HELICOPTER AND SO WHEN FLEW THAT HELICOPTER AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS. YOU LOOK AT THIS. YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, HOW DID SHE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN HOW DID SHE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THIS LIFESTYLE AND HOW MUCH OF THIS LIFESTYLE AND HOW MUCH OF THAT AND HOW MUCH OF THOSE MEANS THAT AND HOW MUCH OF THOSE MEANS CAME FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN AND CAME FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN AND HOW MUCH WAS MONEY SHE MAY HAVE HOW MUCH WAS MONEY SHE MAY HAVE HAD THAT COULD HAVE BEEN HAD THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SEPARATE FROM HER FATHER. SEPARATE FROM HER FATHER. THE WHOLE THING IS A MYSTERY. THE WHOLE THING IS A MYSTERY. IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE GETS IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE GETS INTO EPSTEIN’S WORLD. INTO EPSTEIN’S WORLD. IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE STAYED IT IS A MYSTERY HOW SHE STAYED THIS IN WORLD. THIS IN WORLD. SHE HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT OF SHE HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT OF CHELSEA CLINTON’S WEDDING. CHELSEA CLINTON’S WEDDING. HOW DID SHE STAY IN THIS MIX AND HOW DID SHE STAY IN THIS MIX AND TRAVEL IN THESE CIRCLES AND TRAVEL IN THESE CIRCLES AND WHERE DID THINGS GO NEXT FOR WHERE DID THINGS GO NEXT FOR HER? HER?>>NO AUTHORITIES KNOW AND THEY>>NO AUTHORITIES KNOW AND THEY HAVE NOT TOLD US? HAVE NOT TOLD US?>>IT IS NOT A QUESTION THEY>>IT IS NOT A QUESTION THEY WOULD DIVLULGE TO US. WOULD DIVLULGE TO US. NOBODY HAVE SEEN HER OR HEARD NOBODY HAVE SEEN HER OR HEARD FROM HER FOR A LONG TIME. FROM HER FOR A LONG TIME. WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HER WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HER ATTORNEYS NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. ATTORNEYS NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. WHEN WE DO THIS STORY AND WE WHEN WE DO THIS STORY AND WE TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY IN THEIR ACTIONS, IT IS THEIR IN THEIR ACTIONS, IT IS THEIR POLICIES HERE AND WE TRY TO POLICIES HERE AND WE TRY TO REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON AND REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON AND THAT PARTY BECAUSE THAT’S THE THAT PARTY BECAUSE THAT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. RIGHT THING TO DO. WE WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. WE WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. IF MAXWELL IS STILL SOLICITING, IF MAXWELL IS STILL SOLICITING, WE KNOW OUR NUMBERS AND WE HAVE WE KNOW OUR NUMBERS AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO REACH YOU AND WE BEEN TRYING TO REACH YOU AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THOSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU REFERENCED ON DOCUMENTS THAT YOU REFERENCED ON FRIDAY. FRIDAY.>>STEVE, NOW WHAT HE’S DEAD,>>STEVE, NOW WHAT HE’S DEAD, ALL THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING ALL THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO WHETHER IT IS GHISLAINE INTO WHETHER IT IS GHISLAINE MAXWELL’S MONEY OR TO DEUTSCHE MAXWELL’S MONEY OR TO DEUTSCHE BANK, WHERE DO THOSE BANK, WHERE DO THOSE INVESTIGATIONS GO? INVESTIGATIONS GO? DO THEY DIE AWAY WITH HIM? DO THEY DIE AWAY WITH HIM?>>THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT>>THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE. HERE. THERE IS MONEY MOVING LEFT AND THERE IS MONEY MOVING LEFT AND RIGHT AND TRANSACTIONS DATING RIGHT AND TRANSACTIONS DATING BACK MANY YEARS. BACK MANY YEARS. THESE ARE MANY MILLIONS OF THESE ARE MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MOVING AROUND. DOLLARS MOVING AROUND. THE BANKS ARE SERPTCERTAINLY LOO THE BANKS ARE SERPTCERTAINLY LOO AT THEIR OWN RECORDS AND THERE AT THEIR OWN RECORDS AND THERE IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE AS IT IS A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE AS IT RELATE TO THE MONEY. RELATE TO THE MONEY.>>IT WAS JUST REPORTED MOMENTS>>IT WAS JUST REPORTED MOMENTS AGO. AGO. WEXNER WAS THE ONLY SOURCE FOR WEXNER WAS THE ONLY SOURCE FOR EPSTEIN TO GET AS WEALTHY AS HE EPSTEIN TO GET AS WEALTHY AS HE DID. DID. WEXNER GAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY WEXNER GAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY WHICH WAS UNHEARD OF OVER HIS WHICH WAS UNHEARD OF OVER HIS BILLION DOLLARS FORTUNE. BILLION DOLLARS FORTUNE. WEXNER IS NOW IN THE LAST FEW WEXNER IS NOW IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS WORKING WITH AUTHORITIES. MONTHS WORKING WITH AUTHORITIES. WHY DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WHY DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IF YOU ARE LES WEXNER AND IF YOU ARE LES WEXNER AND EPSTEIN STOLE TENS OF MILLIONS EPSTEIN STOLE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM YOU OVER A OF DOLLARS FROM YOU OVER A DECADE AGO, WHY WOULD YOU WORK DECADE AGO, WHY WOULD YOU WORK WITH AUTHORITIES THEN. WITH AUTHORITIES THEN.>>MR. WEXNER REVEALED HE’S BEEN>>MR. WEXNER REVEALED HE’S BEEN A VICTIM OF FINANCIAL. A VICTIM OF FINANCIAL. MR. EPSTEIN HAD THIS AFFILIATION MR. EPSTEIN HAD THIS AFFILIATION WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS. WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS. SO THAT RAISES QUESTION. SO THAT RAISES QUESTION. WHY AUTHORITIES WERE NOT CALLED WHY AUTHORITIES WERE NOT CALLED IN BACK IN 2007, AT THE TIME IT IN BACK IN 2007, AT THE TIME IT WAS DISCOVERED. WAS DISCOVERED.>>HAD WEXNER GIVEN AN ANSWER TO>>HAD WEXNER GIVEN AN ANSWER TO THAT? THAT?>>IF I WALK INTO VICTORIA’S>>IF I WALK INTO VICTORIA’S SECRET RIGHT NOW AND STOLE A SECRET RIGHT NOW AND STOLE A BRA, I WOULD GET ARRESTED. BRA, I WOULD GET ARRESTED.>>WHY WOULD WEXNER NOT CALL>>WHY WOULD WEXNER NOT CALL AUTHORITIES WHEN EPSTEIN STOLE 6 AUTHORITIES WHEN EPSTEIN STOLE 6 BILLION BUCKS FROM HIM AT LEAST. BILLION BUCKS FROM HIM AT LEAST.>>WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME>>WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY, ROUGHLY A AMOUNT OF MONEY, ROUGHLY A $100 MILLION RECRUITED BACK AS $100 MILLION RECRUITED BACK AS PART OF THIS BUT THERE HAS NOT PART OF THIS BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN A FULL AREA ON THAT ASPECT. BEEN A FULL AREA ON THAT ASPECT.>>WILL THERE BE A LEGAL REASON>>WILL THERE BE A LEGAL REASON TO GET THESE ANSWERS FROM THE TO GET THESE ANSWERS FROM THE LIKES OF WEXNER. LIKES OF WEXNER. OBVIOUSLY REPORTERS ARE OBVIOUSLY REPORTERS ARE INTERESTED. INTERESTED. LES WEXNER DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE LES WEXNER DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE OUR CALLS. OUR CALLS. ARE THERE GOING TO BE DEMANDS OR ARE THERE GOING TO BE DEMANDS OR INCREASES FROM THE GOVERNMENT INCREASES FROM THE GOVERNMENT NOW THAT EPSTEIN IS DEAD. NOW THAT EPSTEIN IS DEAD.>>ONE IS FROM A CIVIL>>ONE IS FROM A CIVIL STANDPOINT FOR THE VICTIMS WHEN STANDPOINT FOR THE VICTIMS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THEM GETTING WE TALK ABOUT THEM GETTING JUSTICE. JUSTICE. SOME OF THESE FIGURES MAY HAVE SOME OF THESE FIGURES MAY HAVE FUNDED EPSTEIN AND IF THAT MONEY FUNDED EPSTEIN AND IF THAT MONEY AND ANY MONEY THAT WENT TO AND ANY MONEY THAT WENT TO EPSTEIN TO FUND THIS CONSPIRACY EPSTEIN TO FUND THIS CONSPIRACY THAT IT WAS BEING CHARGED WITH, THAT IT WAS BEING CHARGED WITH, THAT’S SOMETHING THAT THAT’S SOMETHING THAT PROSECUTORS COULD BE INTEREST PROSECUTORS COULD BE INTEREST IN. IN. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY CAME IN AND KEEP AN EYE MONEY CAME IN AND KEEP AN EYE ON. ON. FOR THE LAST FOOIIVE YEARS, THEY FOR THE LAST FOOIIVE YEARS, THEY HAD BANKING RECORDS. HAD BANKING RECORDS. IF EARNINGS DISCLOSE THAT IN IF EARNINGS DISCLOSE THAT IN PUBLIC FILINGS. PUBLIC FILINGS.>>WOULD IT BE EASIER TO GET>>WOULD IT BE EASIER TO GET SOME OF THIS INFORMATION NOW SOME OF THIS INFORMATION NOW THAT HE’S DEAD? THAT HE’S DEAD?>>IF I AM EPSTEIN’S LAWYER, I>>IF I AM EPSTEIN’S LAWYER, I AM NOT GELTTTING PAID BY HIM AS AM NOT GELTTTING PAID BY HIM AS SATURDAYS. SATURDAYS.>>SOME OF THOSE ATTORNEYS MAY>>SOME OF THOSE ATTORNEYS MAY BE MANAGING HIS ESTATE. BE MANAGING HIS ESTATE. FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THE BORA FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THE BORA KIMABLES KIMABLES BILLABLES KEEP GOING BECAUSE BILLABLES KEEP GOING BECAUSE THEY ARE MANAGING ON STATE. THEY ARE MANAGING ON STATE. WE ARE REPORTING HERE — WE ARE REPORTING HERE –>>EPSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS?>>EPSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS?>>IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT THE>>IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT THE ESTATE WOULD SUE MCC. ESTATE WOULD SUE MCC. DANNY DANNY DANNY CEVALLOS BROUGHT UP A DANNY CEVALLOS BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT BEFORE. GREAT POINT BEFORE. IRREGULARITYIES OF THIS FACILITY IRREGULARITYIES OF THIS FACILITY>>HOLD ON, IRREGULARITIES THAT>>HOLD ON, IRREGULARITIES THAT ALLOWED HIM TO HAVE THE ALLOWED HIM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KILL HIMSELF. OPPORTUNITY TO KILL HIMSELF.>>THE POSSIBILITY DOES EXIST.>>THE POSSIBILITY DOES EXIST. IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. TO CONSIDER. I DON’T THINK THE IDEA THAT WE I DON’T THINK THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE THIS BUTTON UP BY THE END HAVE THIS BUTTON UP BY THE END OF THE WEEK AND HOW IT IS OF THE WEEK AND HOW IT IS EXECUTED IN THE STATE. EXECUTED IN THE STATE. IT IS COMPLICATED AND DEFINITELY IT IS COMPLICATED AND DEFINITELY GOING TO BE KEEP TRACK OF. GOING TO BE KEEP TRACK OF. THE CIVIL ATTORNEYS DEFINITELY THE CIVIL ATTORNEYS DEFINITELY HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS. HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS. THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO GET THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO GET FINANCIAL JUSTICE FROM JEFFERY FINANCIAL JUSTICE FROM JEFFERY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN.>>STEVE, IF I AM DEUTSCHE BANK>>STEVE, IF I AM DEUTSCHE BANK OR JP MORGAN AND IP AM WATCHING OR JP MORGAN AND IP AM WATCHING THE CLOCK, THIS GUY IS GOING TO THE CLOCK, THIS GUY IS GOING TO HAVE A TRIAL DATE A YEAR FROM HAVE A TRIAL DATE A YEAR FROM NOW, I AM GOING TO CALL TO BE NOW, I AM GOING TO CALL TO BE TESTIFY, ARE ALL THOSE PARTIES

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>>>THIS MORNING THERE ARE MORE>>>THIS MORNING THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. A WHOLE LOT MORE IN THE CASE A WHOLE LOT MORE IN THE CASE AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS APPARENT SUICIDE IN A MANHATTAN APPARENT SUICIDE IN A MANHATTAN JAIL OVER THE WEEKEND. JAIL OVER THE WEEKEND. HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THE REPORTER WHO BROKE QUESTIONS THE REPORTER WHO BROKE THIS STORY WIDE OPEN AND PUT THIS STORY WIDE OPEN AND PUT EPSTEIN BACK INTO THE EPSTEIN BACK INTO THE SPOTLIGHT, “MIAMI HERALD’S” SPOTLIGHT, “MIAMI HERALD’S” JULIE K. BROWN, FORMER FEDERAL JULIE K. BROWN, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR AND PROFESSOR AT PROSECUTOR AND PROFESSOR AT GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL PAUL GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL PAUL BUTLER AND CAMERON LINDSAY WHO BUTLER AND CAMERON LINDSAY WHO SERVED AS A FEDERAL PRISON SERVED AS A FEDERAL PRISON WARDEN AND SPECIFICALLY WORKED WARDEN AND SPECIFICALLY WORKED AT MULTIPLE FACILITIES INCLUDING AT MULTIPLE FACILITIES INCLUDING THE SISTER FACILITY OF WHERE THE SISTER FACILITY OF WHERE EPSTEIN WAS. EPSTEIN WAS. CAMERON, YOU KNOW I NEED ANSWERS CAMERON, YOU KNOW I NEED ANSWERS TO HOW THIS JAIL WORKS. TO HOW THIS JAIL WORKS. BUT JULIE, I HAVE TO GO TO YOU BUT JULIE, I HAVE TO GO TO YOU FIRST. FIRST. WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUT HIS DEATH? HEARD ABOUT HIS DEATH?>>I JUST COULDN’T BELIEVE IT.>>I JUST COULDN’T BELIEVE IT. I MEAN, I GOT A PHONE CALL AND I I MEAN, I GOT A PHONE CALL AND I SAID, NO. SAID, NO. YOU KNOW, THAT CAN’T BE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THAT CAN’T BE RIGHT. I THINK EVERYBODY HAD THE SAME I THINK EVERYBODY HAD THE SAME REACTION. REACTION. HOW COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? HOW COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? GIVEN THE FACT THAT HE ALLEGEDLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT HE ALLEGEDLY TRIED SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TWO TRIED SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THIS? WEEKS PRIOR TO THIS? EVERYBODY THOUGHT THE SAME EVERYBODY THOUGHT THE SAME THING. THING. WASN’T HE UNDER SUICIDE WATCH? WASN’T HE UNDER SUICIDE WATCH? HOW COULD SOMEBODY ON SUICIDE HOW COULD SOMEBODY ON SUICIDE WATCH COMMIT SUICIDE? WATCH COMMIT SUICIDE? WE NOW KNOW THAT HE SOMEHOW WE NOW KNOW THAT HE SOMEHOW MANIPULATED THINGS SO THAT HE MANIPULATED THINGS SO THAT HE GOT OFF OF SUICIDE WATCH SO EVEN GOT OFF OF SUICIDE WATCH SO EVEN SO — SO –>>DO YOU THINK HE MANIPULATED>>DO YOU THINK HE MANIPULATED THINGS TO GET OFF SUICIDE WATCH? THINGS TO GET OFF SUICIDE WATCH?>>YES, I DO.>>YES, I DO. I DO. I DO. BECAUSE OF HIS HISTORY. BECAUSE OF HIS HISTORY. REMEMBER THE WAY HE WAS REMEMBER THE WAY HE WAS INCARCERATED IN FLORIDA, I MEAN, INCARCERATED IN FLORIDA, I MEAN, HE HAD GUARDS WHO WERE LEAVING HE HAD GUARDS WHO WERE LEAVING HIS DOOR OPEN, GUARDS WHO WERE HIS DOOR OPEN, GUARDS WHO WERE BRINGING HIM STEW, YOU KNOW, BRINGING HIM STEW, YOU KNOW, GUARDS THAT WERE CUTTING HIS GUARDS THAT WERE CUTTING HIS HAIR. HAIR. HE WAS ALLOWED TO LEAVE EVERY HE WAS ALLOWED TO LEAVE EVERY DAY WITH HIS OWN VALET AND GO TO DAY WITH HIS OWN VALET AND GO TO AN OFFICE. AN OFFICE. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME YOU KNOW, IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME AT ALL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT ALL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMEHOW BEEN ABLE TO MANIPULATE SOMEHOW BEEN ABLE TO MANIPULATE THEM INTO GIVING HIM SOME TIME THEM INTO GIVING HIM SOME TIME TO HIMSELF. TO HIMSELF.>>I KNOW YOU’VE SPOKEN TO SOME>>I KNOW YOU’VE SPOKEN TO SOME OF THE VICTIMS SINCE SATURDAY. OF THE VICTIMS SINCE SATURDAY. HOW ARE THEY PROCESSING THIS? HOW ARE THEY PROCESSING THIS?>>I THINK THEY ARE ALL STILL IN>>I THINK THEY ARE ALL STILL IN SHOCK. SHOCK. YOU KNOW, IT’S A RANGE OF YOU KNOW, IT’S A RANGE OF EMOTIONS. EMOTIONS. IT’S SHOCK, IT’S GRIEF. IT’S SHOCK, IT’S GRIEF. IT’S ANGER REALLY. IT’S ANGER REALLY. THIS IS, REPRESENTS ANOTHER THIS IS, REPRESENTS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CRIMINAL EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, IN PARTICULAR TO JUSTICE SYSTEM, IN PARTICULAR TO WEALTHY MEN WHO SEEM TO BE ABLE WEALTHY MEN WHO SEEM TO BE ABLE TO GET A DIFFERENT KIND OF TO GET A DIFFERENT KIND OF JUSTICE THAN OTHER REGULAR JUSTICE THAN OTHER REGULAR PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY. PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY.>>HOW RELIEVED ARE THEY?>>HOW RELIEVED ARE THEY? WHERE DO ALL OF THESE WHERE DO ALL OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS OR EVEN THE INVESTIGATIONS OR EVEN THE REPORTING GO? REPORTING GO? LET’S SAY MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN LET’S SAY MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN HIS CIRCLE WERE NOT CRIMINALS HIS CIRCLE WERE NOT CRIMINALS AND SEX OFFENDERS LIKE HE WAS. AND SEX OFFENDERS LIKE HE WAS. BUT WHAT IF THEY WERE JUST BUT WHAT IF THEY WERE JUST ABSOLUTE VILE SLEAZE BAGS WHO ABSOLUTE VILE SLEAZE BAGS WHO DIDN’T WANT THE PILOTS TO SAY, DIDN’T WANT THE PILOTS TO SAY, HERE’S WHO’S BEEN ON THE PLANE HERE’S WHO’S BEEN ON THE PLANE TEN TIMES, 15 TIMES? TEN TIMES, 15 TIMES? ARE THOSE PEOPLE DANCING IN THE ARE THOSE PEOPLE DANCING IN THE STREETS? STREETS?>>NO.>>NO. I DON’T THINK SO AT ALL. I DON’T THINK SO AT ALL.>>WHY?>>WHY?>>I THINK THE U.S. PROSECUTOR>>I THINK THE U.S. PROSECUTOR IS GOING TO — THERE ARE A LOT IS GOING TO — THERE ARE A LOT OF DOCUMENTS OUT THERE. OF DOCUMENTS OUT THERE. WE DON’T KNOW COMPLETELY WHAT WE DON’T KNOW COMPLETELY WHAT THE U.S. ATTORNEY HAS BUT HE HAS THE U.S. ATTORNEY HAS BUT HE HAS A BIG PAPER TRAIL. A BIG PAPER TRAIL.>>WILL WE SEE THOSE DOCUMENTS>>WILL WE SEE THOSE DOCUMENTS NOW? NOW?>>I THINK IN TIME.>>I THINK IN TIME. YOU KNOW, WHEN HE BRINGS YOU KNOW, WHEN HE BRINGS INDICTMENTS AND THE CASE GOES TO INDICTMENTS AND THE CASE GOES TO TRIAL. TRIAL. HE WILL PROSECUTE OTHER PEOPLE HE WILL PROSECUTE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS I FEEL CERTAIN INVOLVED IN THIS I FEEL CERTAIN BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE OUT THERE, SOME OF IT, AND IT IS OUT THERE, SOME OF IT, AND IT IS VERY STRONG. VERY STRONG.>>PAUL, WITHIN MINUTES OF>>PAUL, WITHIN MINUTES OF LEARNING OF EPSTEIN’S DEATH THE LEARNING OF EPSTEIN’S DEATH THE INTERNET WAS FLOODED WITH INTERNET WAS FLOODED WITH CONSPIRACY THEORIES. CONSPIRACY THEORIES. THE PRESIDENT EVEN RETWEETING A THE PRESIDENT EVEN RETWEETING A CONSPIRACY THEORY TYING THE CONSPIRACY THEORY TYING THE CLINTONS TO THIS. CLINTONS TO THIS. IT IS NOT JUST — THERE ARE IT IS NOT JUST — THERE ARE CONSPIRACY THEORIES ALL OVER THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES ALL OVER THE PLACE. PLACE. HOW MUCH DOES THAT COMPLICATE HOW MUCH DOES THAT COMPLICATE THINGS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY THINGS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY GETTING JUSTICE HERE? GETTING JUSTICE HERE?>>HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW.>>HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW. WE KNOW MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WE KNOW MR. EPSTEIN’S SUICIDE WAS ENABLED BY THE FEDERAL WAS ENABLED BY THE FEDERAL PRISONS. PRISONS. HE WAS UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. HE WAS UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER SUICIDE WATCH. SUICIDE WATCH. HE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOMEONE ELSE HE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOMEONE ELSE IN THE CELL WITH HIM. IN THE CELL WITH HIM. THAT PERSON WAS MYSTERIOUSLY THAT PERSON WAS MYSTERIOUSLY REMOVED ON FRIDAY. REMOVED ON FRIDAY. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKED HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKED EVERY 30 MINUTES AND APPARENTLY EVERY 30 MINUTES AND APPARENTLY WAS NOT CHECKED FOR HOURS. WAS NOT CHECKED FOR HOURS. SOMETHING BIZARRE WAS GOING ON. SOMETHING BIZARRE WAS GOING ON.>>OKAY.>>OKAY. BESIDES THE MOMENTARY OUTRAGE BESIDES THE MOMENTARY OUTRAGE THAT WE’RE EXPERIENCING TODAY, THAT WE’RE EXPERIENCING TODAY, WHAT — WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT — WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT? THAT?>>SO THE COCONSPIRATORS, MR.>>SO THE COCONSPIRATORS, MR. EPSTEIN’S VAST, CRIMINAL EPSTEIN’S VAST, CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY WAS ENABLED BY OTHER CONSPIRACY WAS ENABLED BY OTHER PEOPLE. PEOPLE. SOMEBODY HAD TO RECRUIT THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO RECRUIT THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. SOMEBODY HAD TO TRAIN THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO TRAIN THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. SOMEBODY HAD TO COERCE THOSE SOMEBODY HAD TO COERCE THOSE GIRLS. GIRLS. REMEMBER, THE BIZARRE TRAVESTY REMEMBER, THE BIZARRE TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE THAT THE FLORIDA PLEA OF JUSTICE THAT THE FLORIDA PLEA DEAL REPRESENTED SAID THAT THOSE DEAL REPRESENTED SAID THAT THOSE COCONSPIRATORS COULD NOT BE COCONSPIRATORS COULD NOT BE PROSECUTED. PROSECUTED. THANKFULLY THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THANKFULLY THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR NEW YORK, MR. BERMAN, DOES NOT NEW YORK, MR. BERMAN, DOES NOT AGREE WITH THAT. AGREE WITH THAT. HE SHOULD GO AFTER THOSE FOUR HE SHOULD GO AFTER THOSE FOUR COCONSPIRATORS VERY QUICKLY. COCONSPIRATORS VERY QUICKLY.>>HOW ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY?>>HOW ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY? DELAIN MAXWELL HAS BEEN WRITTEN DELAIN MAXWELL HAS BEEN WRITTEN UP OVER AND OVER AS THE UP OVER AND OVER AS THE COCONSPIRATOR, RECRUITER, OFTEN COCONSPIRATOR, RECRUITER, OFTEN THE TRAINER OF MANY OF THESE THE TRAINER OF MANY OF THESE YOUNG GIRLS. YOUNG GIRLS. IT IS REPORTED THEY DON’T EVEN IT IS REPORTED THEY DON’T EVEN KNOW WHERE SHE IS. KNOW WHERE SHE IS. THIS IS A WOMAN WHOSE FATHER THIS IS A WOMAN WHOSE FATHER DIED A SWINDLER, CON MAN, OWING DIED A SWINDLER, CON MAN, OWING OVER 43 BANKS $4 BILLION. OVER 43 BANKS $4 BILLION. A, HOW DID THIS WOMAN MAINTAIN A, HOW DID THIS WOMAN MAINTAIN HER SOCIALITE STATUS AND, B, WHY HER SOCIALITE STATUS AND, B, WHY IS IT THAT PEOPLE STILL DON’T IS IT THAT PEOPLE STILL DON’T KNOW WHERE SHE IS? KNOW WHERE SHE IS? I COULDN’T LIVE OFF THE GRID. I COULDN’T LIVE OFF THE GRID. I DON’T THINK YOU COULD EITHER. I DON’T THINK YOU COULD EITHER.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. I CAN’T REALLY ANSWER THAT I CAN’T REALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. QUESTION. I WOULD HOPE THEY ARE KEEPING I WOULD HOPE THEY ARE KEEPING TRACK OF HER AND THEY SHOULD TRACK OF HER AND THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING WHERE SHE IS HAVE BEEN LOOKING WHERE SHE IS EVERY SECOND. EVERY SECOND. SHE DOES HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP I SHE DOES HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP I UNDERSTAND WITH THE UK AND IS UNDERSTAND WITH THE UK AND IS ALSO ASSOCIATED IN RECENT YEARS ALSO ASSOCIATED IN RECENT YEARS WITH A LOT OF OCEANOGRAPHERS. WITH A LOT OF OCEANOGRAPHERS. SHE HAD A NONPROFIT SHE HAD A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. ORGANIZATION. SO THERE’S ALSO BEEN SOME SO THERE’S ALSO BEEN SOME SPECULATION THAT SHE COULD EVEN SPECULATION THAT SHE COULD EVEN BE ON A SUBMARINE SOMEWHERE IN BE ON A SUBMARINE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN. THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN. WHO KNOWS? WHO KNOWS? I MEAN, SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS I MEAN, SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS PRETTY SHARP THAT SHE WAS ABLE PRETTY SHARP THAT SHE WAS ABLE TO EVADE IT THIS LONG. TO EVADE IT THIS LONG.>>IF BILL BARR WANTS THEM TO>>IF BILL BARR WANTS THEM TO THE FBI CAN FIND THIS WOMAN. THE FBI CAN FIND THIS WOMAN. THE QUESTION IS DOES HE? THE QUESTION IS DOES HE?>>BILL BARR HAS SAID HE IS>>BILL BARR HAS SAID HE IS OUTRAGED. OUTRAGED. CAMERON, TAKE ME INSIDE OF THIS CAMERON, TAKE ME INSIDE OF THIS PRISON. PRISON. IS THERE ANY WAY SOMEONE OTHER IS THERE ANY WAY SOMEONE OTHER THAN EPSTEIN COULD HAVE THAN EPSTEIN COULD HAVE ORCHESTRATED HIS DEATH OR HAD A ORCHESTRATED HIS DEATH OR HAD A HAND IN IT? HAND IN IT? BECAUSE FOR THOSE OF US SITTING BECAUSE FOR THOSE OF US SITTING HERE, IT SIMPLY MAKES NO SENSE. HERE, IT SIMPLY MAKES NO SENSE.>>WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME>>WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS IS JUST A TERRIBLE JUST SAY THIS IS JUST A TERRIBLE EVENT THAT’S HAPPENED. EVENT THAT’S HAPPENED. I THINK IT IS A BLACK EYE ON OUR I THINK IT IS A BLACK EYE ON OUR ENTIRE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM ENTIRE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM FOR THE SAKE OF THE VICTIMS AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE VICTIMS AND UPHOLDING OUR SYSTEMS OF UPHOLDING OUR SYSTEMS OF JUSTICE. JUSTICE. THESE KINDS OF THINGS — THESE KINDS OF THINGS –>>WHAT IF A BLACK GUY IS THE>>WHAT IF A BLACK GUY IS THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS AND THOSE LESSER OF TWO EVILS AND THOSE ARE SAYING, YEP. ARE SAYING, YEP. THIS WILL BE HUMILIATING BUT AT THIS WILL BE HUMILIATING BUT AT LEAST WE’LL GET THIS GUY OUT OF LEAST WE’LL GET THIS GUY OUT OF THE PICTURE BECAUSE HE COULD THE PICTURE BECAUSE HE COULD HURT US WAY MORE THAN A BLACK HURT US WAY MORE THAN A BLACK EYE? EYE?>>THIS IS CERTAINLY GOING TO>>THIS IS CERTAINLY GOING TO FUEL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES. FUEL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES. VERY FRANKLY, IT’S GOING TO BE VERY FRANKLY, IT’S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS UNFOLDS. UNFOLDS. BUT I PREDICT WHAT WE’RE GOING BUT I PREDICT WHAT WE’RE GOING TO SEE IN THE END IS THAT TO SEE IN THE END IS THAT EPSTEIN WAS PROBABLY ABLE TO EPSTEIN WAS PROBABLY ABLE TO CHARM OR MANIPULATE A MENTAL CHARM OR MANIPULATE A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL INTO HEALTH PROFESSIONAL INTO BELIEVING THAT HE WAS NO LONGER BELIEVING THAT HE WAS NO LONGER A THREAT TO HIMSELF AND WAS A THREAT TO HIMSELF AND WAS THEREFORE PULLED OFF THE SUICIDE THEREFORE PULLED OFF THE SUICIDE WATCH. WATCH. PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EPSTEIN PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EPSTEIN SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN A CELL WITH SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN A CELL WITH ANOTHER INMATE TO HELP, PERHAPS, ANOTHER INMATE TO HELP, PERHAPS, KEEP HIM FROM KILLING HIMSELF. KEEP HIM FROM KILLING HIMSELF. I SEE THAT VERY DIFFERENTLY. I SEE THAT VERY DIFFERENTLY. FROM A CORRECTIONAL FROM A CORRECTIONAL ADMINISTRATOR PERSPECTIVE WHEN ADMINISTRATOR PERSPECTIVE WHEN YOU TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE YOU TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHO IS A JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHO IS A CONVICTED PEDOPHILE, WHO IS CONVICTED PEDOPHILE, WHO IS EXTREMELY HIGH PROFILE, A EXTREMELY HIGH PROFILE, A BILLIONAIRE CONNECTED TO BILLIONAIRE CONNECTED TO VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY, TO KILL VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY, TO KILL SOMEBODY, FOR AN INMATE TO KILL SOMEBODY, FOR AN INMATE TO KILL SOMEBODY LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN SOMEBODY LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN VERY FRANKLY WOULD BE A BADGE OF VERY FRANKLY WOULD BE A BADGE OF HONOR. HONOR. IN THE SUB CULTURE OF JAILS AND IN THE SUB CULTURE OF JAILS AND PRISONS THIS IS THE KIND OF GUY PRISONS THIS IS THE KIND OF GUY THAT IS GOING TO BE RIPE TO BE THAT IS GOING TO BE RIPE TO BE TAKEN OUT. TAKEN OUT. I BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN I BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SINGLE CELLED THE ENTIRE TIME. SINGLE CELLED THE ENTIRE TIME. ONCE HE HAD HIS SUICIDE ATTEMPT ONCE HE HAD HIS SUICIDE ATTEMPT IF THIS IS PROVEN, THEN FROM MY IF THIS IS PROVEN, THEN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE HE SHOULD HAVE PERSPECTIVE HE SHOULD HAVE REMAINED ON SUICIDE WATCH THE REMAINED ON SUICIDE WATCH THE ENTIRE TIME HE WAS IN THAT ENTIRE TIME HE WAS IN THAT FACILITY. FACILITY. HE WAS A PRETRIAL, PRESENTENCE HE WAS A PRETRIAL, PRESENTENCE FACILITY. FACILITY. HE THEREFORE WOULD NOT BE ON HE THEREFORE WOULD NOT BE ON SUICIDE WATCH INDEFINITELY. SUICIDE WATCH INDEFINITELY. AS SOON AS HIS CASE WERE TO BE AS SOON AS HIS CASE WERE TO BE ADJUDICATED THE BUREAU OF ADJUDICATED THE BUREAU OF PRISONS WOULD HAVE DESIGNATED PRISONS WOULD HAVE DESIGNATED HIM VERY QUICKLY TO THE HIM VERY QUICKLY TO THE INSTITUTION OF SERVICE OF INSTITUTION OF SERVICE OF SENTENCE MUCH LIKE THEY DID WITH SENTENCE MUCH LIKE THEY DID WITH GUZMAN, SHORTY GUZMAN. GUZMAN, SHORTY GUZMAN. AS SOON AS HIS CASE WAS AS SOON AS HIS CASE WAS ADJUDICATED OFF HE WENT TO THE ADJUDICATED OFF HE WENT TO THE ADX. ADX. THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I SEE THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I SEE WHERE THE AGENCY WENT WRONG VERY WHERE THE AGENCY WENT WRONG VERY FRANKLY. FRANKLY.>>JULIE, WHERE DOES YOUR>>JULIE, WHERE DOES YOUR REPORTING GO FROM HERE? REPORTING GO FROM HERE?>>I’M GOING TO KEEP FOLLOWING>>I’M GOING TO KEEP FOLLOWING THE TRAIL OF EVIDENCE THAT WE’VE THE TRAIL OF EVIDENCE THAT WE’VE DUG UP SO FAR WITH THESE DUG UP SO FAR WITH THESE DOCUMENTS THAT CAME OUT THE DOCUMENTS THAT CAME OUT THE OTHER DAY. OTHER DAY. THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, A LOT OF THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, A LOT OF THREADS TO FOLLOW. THREADS TO FOLLOW. THERE ARE NEW NAMES AS WE KNOW THERE ARE NEW NAMES AS WE KNOW OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLEGED TO OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE WAY OR HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER SO WE’LL START LOOKING I ANOTHER SO WE’LL START LOOKING I THINK CLOSER AT ALL OF THOSE THINK CLOSER AT ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS AND ALSO I THINK DOCUMENTS AND ALSO I THINK EVERYBODY IS HOPING THAT PERHAPS EVERYBODY IS HOPING THAT PERHAPS MORE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THIS MORE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THIS WILL COME FORWARD, MEANING — WILL COME FORWARD, MEANING –>>YOU THINK THEY WILL?>>YOU THINK THEY WILL?>>I DON’T KNOW.>>I DON’T KNOW. YOU KNOW, FIRST I THOUGHT THEY YOU KNOW, FIRST I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH HIM WOULD BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH HIM BEING GONE, MOST OF THEM TOLD ME BEING GONE, MOST OF THEM TOLD ME THEY DIDN’T WANT TO SPEAK THEY DIDN’T WANT TO SPEAK BECAUSE EITHER THEY HAD A BECAUSE EITHER THEY HAD A NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT WITH HIM NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT WITH HIM IF THEY WORKED FOR HIM OR THEY IF THEY WORKED FOR HIM OR THEY WERE AFRAID. WERE AFRAID. NOW WITH HIM GONE I THOUGHT, NOW WITH HIM GONE I THOUGHT, WELL MAYBE NOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WELL MAYBE NOW, YOU KNOW, HOW EFFECTIVE IS THE NONDISCLOSURE EFFECTIVE IS THE NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT GOING TO REALLY BE? AGREEMENT GOING TO REALLY BE? NOW WITH ALL THESE CONSPIRACY NOW WITH ALL THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES FLOATING OUT THERE, THEORIES FLOATING OUT THERE, THEY COULD VERY WELL BE AFRAID

2020 Dems Say Donald Trump’s Rhetoric Shares Blame For Shootings | Velshi & Ruhle | MSNBC


>>>PRESIDENT TRUMP TOOK TO>>>PRESIDENT TRUMP TOOK TO TWITTER THIS MORNING TRYING TO TWITTER THIS MORNING TRYING TO DEFLECT A LOT OF THE CRITICISM DEFLECT A LOT OF THE CRITICISM HE IS GETTING THIS MORNING, HE IS GETTING THIS MORNING, BLAMING THE MEDIA FOR THE ANGER BLAMING THE MEDIA FOR THE ANGER AND RAGE THAT LED TO THIS DEADLY AND RAGE THAT LED TO THIS DEADLY WEEKEND. WEEKEND. THIS COMES AS MANY PEOPLE ARE THIS COMES AS MANY PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY POINTING TOWARD THE ACTUALLY POINTING TOWARD THE PRESIDENT’S OWN PAST WORDS, PRESIDENT’S OWN PAST WORDS, SPECIFICALLY AT SOME OF HIS SPECIFICALLY AT SOME OF HIS RALLIES WHERE HE WOULD USE RALLIES WHERE HE WOULD USE RHETORIC LIKE THIS. RHETORIC LIKE THIS.>>THE COUNTRY PUTS THE NAME IN>>THE COUNTRY PUTS THE NAME IN THE BASKET AND YOU PICK PEOPLE THE BASKET AND YOU PICK PEOPLE OUT OF THE LOTTERY. OUT OF THE LOTTERY. WELL, LET’S SEE. WELL, LET’S SEE. THIS ONE IS A MURDERER. THIS ONE IS A MURDERER. THIS ONE ROBBED FOUR BANKS. THIS ONE ROBBED FOUR BANKS. THIS ONE I BETTER NOT SAY. THIS ONE I BETTER NOT SAY. THIS ONE, ANOTHER MURDERER. THIS ONE, ANOTHER MURDERER. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ANOTHER LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ANOTHER MURDERER. MURDERER. THINK OF THIS. THINK OF THIS. DO YOU THINK THEY’RE GOING TO DO YOU THINK THEY’RE GOING TO PUT THEIR GREAT CITIZENS — THEY PUT THEIR GREAT CITIZENS — THEY HAVE GREAT CITIZENS, GREAT HAVE GREAT CITIZENS, GREAT PEOPLE LIKE WE HAVE GREAT PEOPLE LIKE WE HAVE GREAT PEOPLE — DO YOU THINK THOSE PEOPLE — DO YOU THINK THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING INTO A LOTTERY? PEOPLE ARE GOING INTO A LOTTERY? NO. NO. THIS IS AN INVASION. THIS IS AN INVASION. WHEN YOU SEE THESE CARAVANS WHEN YOU SEE THESE CARAVANS STARTING OUT WITH 20,000 PEOPLE, STARTING OUT WITH 20,000 PEOPLE, THAT’S AN INVASION. THAT’S AN INVASION. I WAS BADLY CRITICIZED FOR USING I WAS BADLY CRITICIZED FOR USING THE WORD “INVASION.” THE WORD “INVASION.” IT’S AN INVASION. IT’S AN INVASION. BUT HOW DO YOU STOP THESE BUT HOW DO YOU STOP THESE PEOPLE? PEOPLE? YOU CAN’T. YOU CAN’T. THERE’S NOT — THAT’S ONLY IN THERE’S NOT — THAT’S ONLY IN THE PANHANDLE YOU CAN GET AWAY THE PANHANDLE YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH THAT STATEMENT. WITH THAT STATEMENT. ONLY IN THE PANHANDLE. ONLY IN THE PANHANDLE. SO IT’S A TOUGH SITUATION. SO IT’S A TOUGH SITUATION. BUT IF THEY CHANGE THE LOOPHOLES BUT IF THEY CHANGE THE LOOPHOLES WE’LL HAVE IT PERFECTLY. WE’LL HAVE IT PERFECTLY. WHEN THE WALL IS FINISHED IT’S WHEN THE WALL IS FINISHED IT’S GOING TO BE GREAT. GOING TO BE GREAT.>>IF YOU COULDN’T HEAR THAT>>IF YOU COULDN’T HEAR THAT RESPONSE, THAT WAS SOMEONE IN RESPONSE, THAT WAS SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE SAYING, SHOOT THEM, THE AUDIENCE SAYING, SHOOT THEM, TO WHICH THE PRESIDENT SAID, TO WHICH THE PRESIDENT SAID, ONLY IN THE PANHANDLE. ONLY IN THE PANHANDLE. JOINING ME NOW, PHILLIP RUCKER JOINING ME NOW, PHILLIP RUCKER WHITE HOUSE BUREAU CHIEF FOR WHITE HOUSE BUREAU CHIEF FOR “THE WASHINGTON POST,” ALSO THE “THE WASHINGTON POST,” ALSO THE NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT FOR PBS NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT FOR PBS NEWSHOUR, THE FORMER ASSISTANT NEWSHOUR, THE FORMER ASSISTANT TO PRESIDENT OBAMA, JOURNALIST TO PRESIDENT OBAMA, JOURNALIST FOR THE “STORM LAKE TIMES” IN FOR THE “STORM LAKE TIMES” IN IOWA, AND JOURNALIST AND IOWA, AND JOURNALIST AND PRESIDENT OF COMMUNICATIONS FIRM PRESIDENT OF COMMUNICATIONS FIRM TRUST ROSSMAN AND MY FRIEND TRUST ROSSMAN AND MY FRIEND BRETT STEVENS FOR THE “NEW YORK BRETT STEVENS FOR THE “NEW YORK TIMES.” TIMES.” I TURN TO YOU FIRST AND THIS I TURN TO YOU FIRST AND THIS QUOTE THAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO QUOTE THAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME. ME. YOU WROTE THESE WORDS. YOU WROTE THESE WORDS. AFTER YET ANOTHER MASS SLAYING, AFTER YET ANOTHER MASS SLAYING, THE QUESTIONS SURROUNDING THE THE QUESTIONS SURROUNDING THE PRESIDENT IS NO LONGER WHETHER PRESIDENT IS NO LONGER WHETHER HE WILL RESPOND AS OTHER HE WILL RESPOND AS OTHER PRESIDENTS ONCE DID BUT WHETHER PRESIDENTS ONCE DID BUT WHETHER HIS WORDS CONTRIBUTED TO THE HIS WORDS CONTRIBUTED TO THE CARNAGE. CARNAGE. WHY IS THIS SO DIFFERENT FOR WHY IS THIS SO DIFFERENT FOR TRUMP VERSUS PAST PRESIDENTS? TRUMP VERSUS PAST PRESIDENTS? GIVE US A HISTORY LESSON. GIVE US A HISTORY LESSON.>>IT’S DIFFERENT, STEPH,>>IT’S DIFFERENT, STEPH, BECAUSE FROM THE MOMENT DONALD BECAUSE FROM THE MOMENT DONALD TRUMP WALKED DOWN THE ESCALATOR TRUMP WALKED DOWN THE ESCALATOR AT TRUMP TOWER TO LAUNCH HIS AT TRUMP TOWER TO LAUNCH HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN FOUR YEARS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN FOUR YEARS AGO, ANTI-IMMIGRANT RHETORIC, AGO, ANTI-IMMIGRANT RHETORIC, RACIST RHETORIC HAS BEEN A RACIST RHETORIC HAS BEEN A HALLMARK AND FEATURE OF HIS HALLMARK AND FEATURE OF HIS CAMPAIGN, OF HIS PRESIDENCY, AND CAMPAIGN, OF HIS PRESIDENCY, AND ACCORDING TO EXPERTS IN THE ACCORDING TO EXPERTS IN THE FIELD, IT HAS INSPIRED THE WHITE FIELD, IT HAS INSPIRED THE WHITE NATIONALIST MOVEMENT. NATIONALIST MOVEMENT. THAT’S WHY THE MANIFESTO THAT IS THAT’S WHY THE MANIFESTO THAT IS AT THE CENTER OF THE AT THE CENTER OF THE INVESTIGATION IN EL PASO BORROWS INVESTIGATION IN EL PASO BORROWS SO MUCH OF THE LANGUAGE THAT SO MUCH OF THE LANGUAGE THAT DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT TRUMP DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS USED AT HIS RALLIES, IN HIS HAS USED AT HIS RALLIES, IN HIS TWEETS. TWEETS. AND TRUMP IS UNAPOLOGETIC ABOUT AND TRUMP IS UNAPOLOGETIC ABOUT THIS. THIS. IT IS NONETHELESS A FEATURE OF IT IS NONETHELESS A FEATURE OF HIS PRESIDENCY AND THAT’S WHY A HIS PRESIDENCY AND THAT’S WHY A LOT OF DEMOCRATS AND OTHERS ARE LOT OF DEMOCRATS AND OTHERS ARE SAYING, HIS WORDS, THROUGH HIS SAYING, HIS WORDS, THROUGH HIS WORDS HE IS CULPABLE IN THIS WORDS HE IS CULPABLE IN THIS SORT OF CARNAGE. SORT OF CARNAGE.>>IT’S NOT A BUG.>>IT’S NOT A BUG. IT’S A FEATURE. IT’S A FEATURE. WE’VE HEARD THAT OVER AND OVER. WE’VE HEARD THAT OVER AND OVER. ARE A NUMBER OF THE 2020 ARE A NUMBER OF THE 2020 CANDIDATES THIS WEEKEND SAID IT CANDIDATES THIS WEEKEND SAID IT IS THE PRESIDENT’S COMMENTS THAT IS THE PRESIDENT’S COMMENTS THAT HAVE FANNED THE FLAMES OF HATRED HAVE FANNED THE FLAMES OF HATRED IN THIS COUNTRY AND, IN THIS COUNTRY AND, SPECIFICALLY, THESE SHOOTINGS. SPECIFICALLY, THESE SHOOTINGS. BUT BETO O’ROURKE WHO YOU RARELY BUT BETO O’ROURKE WHO YOU RARELY HEAR SPEAK LIKE THIS, TOOK IT A HEAR SPEAK LIKE THIS, TOOK IT A STEP FURTH OTHER. STEP FURTH OTHER.>>JUST ASK, IS THERE ANYTHING>>JUST ASK, IS THERE ANYTHING IN YOUR MIND THAT THE PRESIDENT IN YOUR MIND THAT THE PRESIDENT CAN DO NOW TO MAKE THIS ANY CAN DO NOW TO MAKE THIS ANY BETTER? BETTER?>>WHAT DO YOU THINK?>>WHAT DO YOU THINK? YOU KNOW THE — SAYING. YOU KNOW THE — SAYING. HE’S BEEN CALLING MEXICAN HE’S BEEN CALLING MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS RAPISTS AND IMMIGRANTS RAPISTS AND CRIMINALS. CRIMINALS. LIKE MEMBERS OF THE PRESS, WHAT LIKE MEMBERS OF THE PRESS, WHAT THE — HOLD ON A SECOND. THE — HOLD ON A SECOND. YOU KNOW, IT’S THESE QUESTIONS YOU KNOW, IT’S THESE QUESTIONS THAT YOU KNOW THE ANSWERS TO. THAT YOU KNOW THE ANSWERS TO. CONNECT THE DOTS ABOUT WHAT HE’S CONNECT THE DOTS ABOUT WHAT HE’S BEEN DOING IN THIS COUNTRY. BEEN DOING IN THIS COUNTRY. HE’S NOT TOLERATING RACISM. HE’S NOT TOLERATING RACISM. HE IS PROMOTING RACISM. HE IS PROMOTING RACISM. HE’S NOT TOLERATING VIOLENCE. HE’S NOT TOLERATING VIOLENCE. HE IS INCITING RACISM AND HE IS INCITING RACISM AND VIOLENCE IN THIS COUNTRY. VIOLENCE IN THIS COUNTRY. SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST — I DON’T SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST — I DON’T KNOW WHAT KIND OF QUESTION THAT KNOW WHAT KIND OF QUESTION THAT IS. IS.>>ART, NOT DEMOCRATS OR>>ART, NOT DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS OR GOVERNMENT REPUBLICANS OR GOVERNMENT LEADERS, DO AMERICANS SEE IT LEADERS, DO AMERICANS SEE IT THAT WAY? THAT WAY?>>YES, I THINK AMERICANS DO SEE>>YES, I THINK AMERICANS DO SEE IT THAT WAY, AT LEAST PEOPLE IT THAT WAY, AT LEAST PEOPLE WHERE I LIVE IN STORM LAKE, WHERE I LIVE IN STORM LAKE, IOWA, SMALL TOWN OUT HERE ON THE IOWA, SMALL TOWN OUT HERE ON THE PRAIRIE THAT’S ABOUT HALF PRAIRIE THAT’S ABOUT HALF IMMIGRANT, INCLUDING MAINLY IMMIGRANT, INCLUDING MAINLY LATINO. LATINO. AND EVERYBODY IN THIS TOWN IS AND EVERYBODY IN THIS TOWN IS LOCKED DOWN IN FEAR OF LOCKED DOWN IN FEAR OF DEPORTATION, FEAR OF BEING DEPORTATION, FEAR OF BEING ROUNDED UP, FEAR OF BEING ROUNDED UP, FEAR OF BEING ARRESTED AND FOR NO GOOD REASON ARRESTED AND FOR NO GOOD REASON AND SO, YEAH. AND SO, YEAH. IT DOES CONTRIBUTE TO A PALPABLE IT DOES CONTRIBUTE TO A PALPABLE SENSE OF FEAR AND I’M SURE RAGE SENSE OF FEAR AND I’M SURE RAGE IN OTHER PEOPLE. IN OTHER PEOPLE.>>RAGE IN OTHER PEOPLE.>>RAGE IN OTHER PEOPLE. YOU’VE BEEN REPORTING ON THE YOU’VE BEEN REPORTING ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER, SO TAKE US TO SOUTHERN BORDER, SO TAKE US TO THE PEOPLE THERE. THE PEOPLE THERE. HAVE YOU SEEN THIS HATEFUL HAVE YOU SEEN THIS HATEFUL RESPONSE TO THE INFLUX OF RESPONSE TO THE INFLUX OF MIGRANTS FIRST HAND? MIGRANTS FIRST HAND? BECAUSE IT’S A COMMUNITY OF BECAUSE IT’S A COMMUNITY OF MIGRANTS. MIGRANTS.>>THAT’S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT,>>THAT’S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, STEPHANIE. STEPHANIE. ONE OF THE SURPRISING THINGS TO ONE OF THE SURPRISING THINGS TO ME IN COVERING THE BORDER HAS ME IN COVERING THE BORDER HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT FOR ALL OF THE ALWAYS BEEN THAT FOR ALL OF THE HEATED RHETORIC IN THE CAPITAL HEATED RHETORIC IN THE CAPITAL AND AROUND THE REST OF THE AND AROUND THE REST OF THE COUNTRY, WHAT HAPPENS IN CITIES COUNTRY, WHAT HAPPENS IN CITIES LIKE EL PASO, AND I’VE BEEN TO LIKE EL PASO, AND I’VE BEEN TO EL PASO A NUMBER OF TIMES AND EL PASO A NUMBER OF TIMES AND ACROSS THE BORDER TO JAUREZ AS ACROSS THE BORDER TO JAUREZ AS WELL, THE TWO SISTER CITIES WELL, THE TWO SISTER CITIES BASICALLY CREATE ONE, LARGE BASICALLY CREATE ONE, LARGE COMMUNITY. COMMUNITY. YOU HAVE PEOPLE GOING BACK AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE GOING BACK AND FORTH EVERY DAY TO SHOP, AS THE FORTH EVERY DAY TO SHOP, AS THE PEOPLE WERE IN THE WALMART THAT PEOPLE WERE IN THE WALMART THAT DAY. DAY. YOU HAVE PEOPLE GOING BACK AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE GOING BACK AND FORTH TO GO TO SCHOOL. FORTH TO GO TO SCHOOL. YOU HAVE PEOPLE GOING BACK AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE GOING BACK AND FORTH TO WORK. FORTH TO WORK. THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE EVERY DAY. PEOPLE EVERY DAY. THEY DO NOT SEE THE SAME THEY DO NOT SEE THE SAME DISCONNECT THAT SEEMS TO INFORM DISCONNECT THAT SEEMS TO INFORM A LOT OF OUR POLITICAL RHETORIC. A LOT OF OUR POLITICAL RHETORIC. AND THAT IS WHY I THINK WE HAVE AND THAT IS WHY I THINK WE HAVE TO NOTE AS WELL THAT THE PERSON TO NOTE AS WELL THAT THE PERSON WHO WENT THERE, WHO ALLEGEDLY WHO WENT THERE, WHO ALLEGEDLY WENT THERE TO CARRY OUT THIS WENT THERE TO CARRY OUT THIS MASS ATTACK, DID NOT COME FROM MASS ATTACK, DID NOT COME FROM THAT COMMUNITY. THAT COMMUNITY. THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM IN THOSE THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM IN THOSE COMMUNITIES. COMMUNITIES. THIS IS A PROBLEM BROUGHT IN THIS IS A PROBLEM BROUGHT IN FROM OUTSIDE. FROM OUTSIDE. IT’S A PROBLEM ACROSS THE REST IT’S A PROBLEM ACROSS THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. OF THE COUNTRY. AND I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT AND I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS. THIS. THIS IDEA OF WHITE SUPREMACY IS THIS IDEA OF WHITE SUPREMACY IS NOTHING NEW TO THIS COUNTRY. NOTHING NEW TO THIS COUNTRY. AS WE SIT HERE TODAY AND TALK, AS WE SIT HERE TODAY AND TALK, STEPHANIE, IT IS THE SEVEN-YEAR STEPHANIE, IT IS THE SEVEN-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE WHITE ANNIVERSARY OF THE WHITE SUPREMACIST MASS SHOOTING AT OAK SUPREMACIST MASS SHOOTING AT OAK CREEK, WISCONSIN, THAT TARGETED CREEK, WISCONSIN, THAT TARGETED MEMBERS OF THE SIKH COMMUNITY MEMBERS OF THE SIKH COMMUNITY THERE IN THEIR TEMPLE AND THAT THERE IN THEIR TEMPLE AND THAT WAS UNDER THE OBAMA WAS UNDER THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. ADMINISTRATION. THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE, HOWEVER, THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE, HOWEVER, IN THE WAY THAT ADMINISTRATION IN THE WAY THAT ADMINISTRATION HANDLED THESE ATTACKS AND HANDLED THESE ATTACKS AND RESPONDED TO THESE ATTACKS, AND RESPONDED TO THESE ATTACKS, AND ACTUALLY PUT RESOURCES TO THE ACTUALLY PUT RESOURCES TO THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WOULD TAMP KINDS OF THINGS THAT WOULD TAMP DOWN ON FURTHER ATTACKS. DOWN ON FURTHER ATTACKS. THAT HAS NOT BEEN HAPPENING THAT HAS NOT BEEN HAPPENING UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION AT UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION AT ALL. ALL.>>MOSQUES, SYNAGOGUES, BLACK>>MOSQUES, SYNAGOGUES, BLACK CHURCHES, SCHOOLS. CHURCHES, SCHOOLS. CHRIS, “THE WASHINGTON POST” CHRIS, “THE WASHINGTON POST” REPORTS THAT COUNTIES THAT REPORTS THAT COUNTIES THAT HOSTED TRUMP RALLIES IN 2016 SAW HOSTED TRUMP RALLIES IN 2016 SAW A 226% INCREASE IN HATE CRIMES. A 226% INCREASE IN HATE CRIMES. IS 226% EVIDENCE THAT WORDS DO IS 226% EVIDENCE THAT WORDS DO ACTUALLY MATTER? ACTUALLY MATTER?>>STEPHANIE, YOU ONLY NEED TO>>STEPHANIE, YOU ONLY NEED TO COMPARE WHAT’S HAPPENING HERE IN COMPARE WHAT’S HAPPENING HERE IN THE UNITED STATES WITH WHAT THE UNITED STATES WITH WHAT HAPPENS IN OTHER COUNTRIES. HAPPENS IN OTHER COUNTRIES. OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE HATE OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE HATE GROUPS. GROUPS. THEY HAVE THE INTERNET FOR THEY HAVE THE INTERNET FOR SPREADING HATE GROUPS. SPREADING HATE GROUPS. THEY HAVE MENTAL HEALTH THEY HAVE MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGES AND VIDEO GAMES AS CHALLENGES AND VIDEO GAMES AS WELL. WELL. IN NO OTHER COUNTRY DO YOU SEE IN NO OTHER COUNTRY DO YOU SEE THE KIND OF VIOLENCE WE HAVE IN THE KIND OF VIOLENCE WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY. THIS COUNTRY. IT IS NOT JUST THE EASY IT IS NOT JUST THE EASY ACCESSIBILITY OF GUNS. ACCESSIBILITY OF GUNS. YOU HAVE A PRESIDENT WHOSE YOU HAVE A PRESIDENT WHOSE RHETORIC IS PROVIDING ROCKET RHETORIC IS PROVIDING ROCKET FUEL TO THE IDEOLOGY THAT FUEL TO THE IDEOLOGY THAT INCITES THIS VIOLENCE AND HE IS INCITES THIS VIOLENCE AND HE IS PROVIDING LEGITIMACY TO THE PROVIDING LEGITIMACY TO THE GRIEVANCES OF THESE PEOPLE. GRIEVANCES OF THESE PEOPLE. AND SO, LOOK. AND SO, LOOK. HE CAN GET ON TWITTER THIS HE CAN GET ON TWITTER THIS MORNING AND TALK ABOUT MORNING AND TALK ABOUT BACKGROUND CHECKS. BACKGROUND CHECKS. HE CAN TALK ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH HE CAN TALK ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGES, BUT THESE ARE JUST CHALLENGES, BUT THESE ARE JUST MORE EMPTY WORDS UNTIL HE SPEAKS MORE EMPTY WORDS UNTIL HE SPEAKS DECISIVELY WITH MORAL CHARACTER DECISIVELY WITH MORAL CHARACTER IN THE WAY THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA IN THE WAY THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA DID AFTER THE SANDY HOOK DID AFTER THE SANDY HOOK SHOOTING AND PUT HIS ENTIRE SHOOTING AND PUT HIS ENTIRE WEIGHT OF HIS ADMINISTRATION WEIGHT OF HIS ADMINISTRATION BEHIND PASSING GUN LEGISLATION, BEHIND PASSING GUN LEGISLATION, IT’S JUST MORE EMPTY WORDS FROM IT’S JUST MORE EMPTY WORDS FROM THIS PRESIDENT. THIS PRESIDENT.>>BRETT, YOU WONDER WHAT KIND>>BRETT, YOU WONDER WHAT KIND OF TRAGEDY WOULD BRING THE OF TRAGEDY WOULD BRING THE COUNTRY TOGETHER. COUNTRY TOGETHER. THE PRESIDENT AMONG OTHER IS THE PRESIDENT AMONG OTHER IS BLAMING THE MEDIA FOR BLAMING THE MEDIA FOR CONTRIBUTING TO THE HATE AND CONTRIBUTING TO THE HATE AND RAGE IN THIS COUNTRY. RAGE IN THIS COUNTRY. THAT’S NOT NEW. THAT’S NOT NEW. IT IS PART OF HIS PLAYBOOK. IT IS PART OF HIS PLAYBOOK.>>OF COURSE IT IS.>>OF COURSE IT IS. BY THE WAY, IT’S IMPORTANT TO BY THE WAY, IT’S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSCORE THAT THIS IS A — UNDERSCORE THAT THIS IS A — WHAT AN HISTORIC BREAK THIS IS WHAT AN HISTORIC BREAK THIS IS IN THE AMERICAN POLITICS. IN THE AMERICAN POLITICS. REMEMBER, GEORGE W. BUSH, REMEMBER, GEORGE W. BUSH, WHATEVER ELSE YOU THOUGHT OF WHATEVER ELSE YOU THOUGHT OF HIM, HE USED TO SAY THAT HIM, HE USED TO SAY THAT COMPASSION, FAMILY VALUES NEVER COMPASSION, FAMILY VALUES NEVER STOPPED AT THE RIO GRANDE. STOPPED AT THE RIO GRANDE. BUSH’S FATHER, RONALD REAGAN, BUSH’S FATHER, RONALD REAGAN, ALSO SPOKE COMPASSIONATELY ABOUT ALSO SPOKE COMPASSIONATELY ABOUT LATIN AMERICAN IMMIGRANTS, LATIN AMERICAN IMMIGRANTS, INCLUSIVELY ABOUT THEM. INCLUSIVELY ABOUT THEM. TRUMP IS SOMETHING ELSE. TRUMP IS SOMETHING ELSE. YOU KNOW, I REPORTED FOR THE YOU KNOW, I REPORTED FOR THE MIDDLE EAST FOR MANY YEARS. MIDDLE EAST FOR MANY YEARS. I WAS THE EDITOR OF “THE I WAS THE EDITOR OF “THE JERUSALEM POST” AND THE ISRAELIS JERUSALEM POST” AND THE ISRAELIS HAVE A WORD FOR WHAT TRUMP IS HAVE A WORD FOR WHAT TRUMP IS DOING. DOING. IT IS CALLED INCITEMENT. IT IS CALLED INCITEMENT. WHICH IS WHEN YOU CONVEY WHICH IS WHEN YOU CONVEY CONSTANTLY STEREOTYPICALLY, CONSTANTLY STEREOTYPICALLY, DIABOLICALLY AGAINST AN ENEMY, DIABOLICALLY AGAINST AN ENEMY, IT IS NOT A SURPRISE THIS PERSON IT IS NOT A SURPRISE THIS PERSON OR THAT DECIDES TO TAKE A GUN IN OR THAT DECIDES TO TAKE A GUN IN HIS HAND AND KILL PEOPLE. HIS HAND AND KILL PEOPLE. THE ISRAELIS USED TO ACCUSE THE ISRAELIS USED TO ACCUSE YASSER ARAFAT OF INCITEMENT. YASSER ARAFAT OF INCITEMENT. BY THE WAY, THEY WERE ABSOLUTELY BY THE WAY, THEY WERE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT IT. RIGHT ABOUT IT. HE LAID THE RHETORICAL HE LAID THE RHETORICAL GROUNDWORK IF YOU WILL FOR ACTS GROUNDWORK IF YOU WILL FOR ACTS OF TERRORISM TO BE PERPETRATED OF TERRORISM TO BE PERPETRATED AGAINST ISRAELIS. AGAINST ISRAELIS. WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN DOING NOW AMOUNTS TO A FORM OF DOING NOW AMOUNTS TO A FORM OF INCITEMENT. INCITEMENT. BY THE WAY, LET’S CONNECT THE BY THE WAY, LET’S CONNECT THE DOTS HERE. DOTS HERE. THIS IS ALSO NOT THAT DIFFERENT THIS IS ALSO NOT THAT DIFFERENT FROM THE ANTI-IMMIGRANT LUNATIC FROM THE ANTI-IMMIGRANT LUNATIC WHO TOOK A GUN TO THE SYNAGOGUE WHO TOOK A GUN TO THE SYNAGOGUE IN PITTSBURGH AND KILLED 11 IN PITTSBURGH AND KILLED 11 PEOPLE BECAUSE HE, TOO, WAS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE, TOO, WAS CONVINCED THAT THE UNITED STATES CONVINCED THAT THE UNITED STATES WAS EXPERIENCING A, WAS EXPERIENCING A, QUOTE-UNQUOTE, INVASION FROM QUOTE-UNQUOTE, INVASION FROM LATIN AMERICAN IMMIGRANTS. LATIN AMERICAN IMMIGRANTS. THERE IS A THREAT HERE AND THIS THERE IS A THREAT HERE AND THIS WILL HAPPEN AGAIN SO LONG AS THE WILL HAPPEN AGAIN SO LONG AS THE PRESIDENT CONTINUES TO USE THE PRESIDENT CONTINUES TO USE THE KIND OF IMMIGRANT BASHING KIND OF IMMIGRANT BASHING RHETORIC THAT HAS BEEN THE RHETORIC THAT HAS BEEN THE HALLMARK OF HIS CANDIDACY AND OF HALLMARK OF HIS CANDIDACY AND OF HIS PRESIDENCY FROM THE DAY HE HIS PRESIDENCY FROM THE DAY HE WALKED OUT OF THAT ESCALATOR AT WALKED OUT OF THAT ESCALATOR AT TRUMP TOWER. TRUMP TOWER.>>AND REPUBLICANS ARE OKAY WITH>>AND REPUBLICANS ARE OKAY WITH THAT? THAT?>>WELL, THIS IS WHAT IS SO>>WELL, THIS IS WHAT IS SO DISGRACEFUL ABOUT IT, WHICH IS DISGRACEFUL ABOUT IT, WHICH IS THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE DEM THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE DEM GOGARY THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE GOGARY THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE ESSENTIALLY CAPITULATED TO A ESSENTIALLY CAPITULATED TO A CULTIVE PERSONALITY FIGURE WHO CULTIVE PERSONALITY FIGURE WHO IS ELICITING A KIND OF A IS ELICITING A KIND OF A SOCIAL — A PARTY MANIA OR SOCIAL — A PARTY MANIA OR IDEOLOGICAL MANIA THAT HAS NO IDEOLOGICAL MANIA THAT HAS NO BASIS IN REALITY, THE SUGGESTION BASIS IN REALITY, THE SUGGESTION THAT THERE IS AN INVASION TAKING THAT THERE IS AN INVASION TAKING PLACE AT OUR SOUTHERN BORDER. PLACE AT OUR SOUTHERN BORDER. NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH.>>RON, YOU HAVE BEEN COVERING>>RON, YOU HAVE BEEN COVERING THESE SHOOTINGS, UNFORTUNATELY, THESE SHOOTINGS, UNFORTUNATELY, FOR YEARS. FOR YEARS. HOW CAN WE HAVE A HEALTHY SECOND HOW CAN WE HAVE A HEALTHY SECOND AMENDMENT? AMENDMENT? MANY PEOPLE THINK GUN CULTURE IS MANY PEOPLE THINK GUN CULTURE IS PART OF AMERICAN CULTURE. PART OF AMERICAN CULTURE. BUT CAN YOU HAVE HEALTHY, BUT CAN YOU HAVE HEALTHY, AMERICAN GUN CULTURE AND AT THE AMERICAN GUN CULTURE AND AT THE SAME TIME SENSIBLE GUN SAME TIME SENSIBLE GUN LEGISLATION? LEGISLATION?>>OF COURSE YOU CAN.>>OF COURSE YOU CAN. I’M TALKING TO YOU FROM I’M TALKING TO YOU FROM MICHIGAN. MICHIGAN. I SPENT THE WEEKEND LIKE I DO I SPENT THE WEEKEND LIKE I DO EVERY WEEKEND IN NORTHERN EVERY WEEKEND IN NORTHERN MICHIGAN, THE HEART OF HUNTING MICHIGAN, THE HEART OF HUNTING CULTURE IN THIS COUNTRY. CULTURE IN THIS COUNTRY. THERE IS NO NEED FOR A MILITARY THERE IS NO NEED FOR A MILITARY ASSAULT RIFLE AND A BANANA CLIP ASSAULT RIFLE AND A BANANA CLIP TO TAKE DOWN A DEER. TO TAKE DOWN A DEER. THE ONLY REASON SOME OF THESE THE ONLY REASON SOME OF THESE WEAPONS ARE MADE, THE ONLY WEAPONS ARE MADE, THE ONLY REASON THEY ARE USED, ARE TO REASON THEY ARE USED, ARE TO KILL HUMAN BEINGS. KILL HUMAN BEINGS. THE SECOND AMENDMENT PROTECTS THE SECOND AMENDMENT PROTECTS THE RIGHT, GIVES US THE RIGHT TO THE RIGHT, GIVES US THE RIGHT TO PROTECT OURSELVES. PROTECT OURSELVES. THE SUPREME COURT INCLUDING A THE SUPREME COURT INCLUDING A RIGHT LEANING SUPREME COURT HAS RIGHT LEANING SUPREME COURT HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT WE CAN PUT MADE IT CLEAR THAT WE CAN PUT LIMITS ON OUR RIGHT TO BEAR LIMITS ON OUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, SO WE CAN HAVE SENSIBLE ARMS, SO WE CAN HAVE SENSIBLE GUN CONTROL. GUN CONTROL. WE MUST HAVE SENSIBLE GUN WE MUST HAVE SENSIBLE GUN CONTROL. CONTROL. WE ARE A COUNTRY THAT RIGHT NOW WE ARE A COUNTRY THAT RIGHT NOW HAS NEARLY 300 MASS SHOOTINGS HAS NEARLY 300 MASS SHOOTINGS THIS YEAR ALONE. THIS YEAR ALONE. 1300 CASUALTIES. 1300 CASUALTIES. THIS YEAR ALONE. THIS YEAR ALONE. NO OTHER COUNTRY COMES EVEN NO OTHER COUNTRY COMES EVEN CLOSE. CLOSE. THE CLOSEST COUNTRY HAS LESS THE CLOSEST COUNTRY HAS LESS THAN TEN MASS SHOOTINGS SO FAR THAN TEN MASS SHOOTINGS SO FAR THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR. SO IT’S NOT JUST CAN WE. SO IT’S NOT JUST CAN WE. WE MUST HAVE SENSIBLE GUN WE MUST HAVE SENSIBLE GUN CONTROL. CONTROL. WHILE WE PROTECT THE SECOND WHILE WE PROTECT THE SECOND AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT.>>BUT HAVEN’T WE SAID THAT FOR>>BUT HAVEN’T WE SAID THAT FOR YEARS? YEARS? DIDN’T WE SAY MUST AFTER MASS DIDN’T WE SAY MUST AFTER MASS SHOOTING AFTER MASS SHOOTING? SHOOTING AFTER MASS SHOOTING? SANDY HOOK WAS SEVEN YEARS AGO. SANDY HOOK WAS SEVEN YEARS AGO. THOSE WERE KINDERGARTENERS. THOSE WERE KINDERGARTENERS.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND THE GUN LOBBY LED BY THE AND THE GUN LOBBY LED BY THE NRA, THE GUN MANUFACTURERS, NRA, THE GUN MANUFACTURERS, STOOD IN THE WAY OF EFFORTS TO STOOD IN THE WAY OF EFFORTS TO TRY TO SATISFY 80% TO 90% OF THE TRY TO SATISFY 80% TO 90% OF THE PUBLIC THAT WANT SENSIBLE GUN PUBLIC THAT WANT SENSIBLE GUN CONTROL. CONTROL. WE AS A PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO WE AS A PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO INSIST ON BETTER FROM OUR INSIST ON BETTER FROM OUR POLITICIANS ESPECIALLY FROM THE POLITICIANS ESPECIALLY FROM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT IS REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT IS ALLOWING ITSELF TO BE ALLOWING ITSELF TO BE CAPITULATED FROM ORGANIZATIONS CAPITULATED FROM ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE NRA. LIKE THE NRA. THIS CAN HAPPEN. THIS CAN HAPPEN. THIS HAS TO HAPPEN. THIS HAS TO HAPPEN. EVERY TIME WE HAVE BLOOD IN THE EVERY TIME WE HAVE BLOOD IN THE STREETS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT’S STREETS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT’S AMERICAN VERSUS AMERICAN, WE AMERICAN VERSUS AMERICAN, WE HAVE A CRISIS IN THIS COUNTRY OF HAVE A CRISIS IN THIS COUNTRY OF WHITE NATIONALISM. WHITE NATIONALISM. WHEN YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF HATE, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF HATE, COUPLED WITH GUNS AT THE READY, COUPLED WITH GUNS AT THE READY, WE CAN’T BE SURPRISED THAT WHEN WE CAN’T BE SURPRISED THAT WHEN WE’RE FACING THIS KIND OF WE’RE FACING THIS KIND OF EPIDEMIC OF BLOODSHED ON OUR EPIDEMIC OF BLOODSHED ON OUR STREETS. STREETS.>>ART, THE LAST TIME YOU SPOKE>>ART, THE LAST TIME YOU SPOKE TO US ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF OHIO, TO US ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF OHIO, YOU TOOK US BACK TO, EXCUSE ME, YOU TOOK US BACK TO, EXCUSE ME, OF IOWA, YOU TOOK US BACK TO OF IOWA, YOU TOOK US BACK TO KITCHEN TABLE ISSUES. KITCHEN TABLE ISSUES. THAT’S WHAT MATTERED TO PEOPLE THAT’S WHAT MATTERED TO PEOPLE THERE MOST. THERE MOST. DO THESE SHOOTINGS, WHILE DO THESE SHOOTINGS, WHILE THEY’RE NOT IN THE BACK YARD OR THEY’RE NOT IN THE BACK YARD OR EVEN IN THE HOME STATE OF IOWA, EVEN IN THE HOME STATE OF IOWA, DOES IT AFFECT PEOPLE WHEN IT DOES IT AFFECT PEOPLE WHEN IT COMES TO HOW THEY’RE GOING TO COMES TO HOW THEY’RE GOING TO VOTE? VOTE?>>YEAH.>>YEAH. I THINK IT DOES. I THINK IT DOES. ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE CONTEXT OF ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE CONTEXT OF THE IOWA CAUCUSES, WHERE THIS THE IOWA CAUCUSES, WHERE THIS HAS BEEN A MATTER OF DISCUSSION HAS BEEN A MATTER OF DISCUSSION FOR SOME TIME AND, LIKE PEOPLE FOR SOME TIME AND, LIKE PEOPLE IN MICHIGAN, THERE IS A STRONG IN MICHIGAN, THERE IS A STRONG GUN CULTURE IN IOWA AND GUN CULTURE IN IOWA AND EVERYBODY HERE HUNTS PHEASANTS. EVERYBODY HERE HUNTS PHEASANTS. AND SHOOTS COYOTES. AND SHOOTS COYOTES. AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. BUT EVERYBODY HERE ALSO, YOU BUT EVERYBODY HERE ALSO, YOU KNOW, 80% TO 90%, AS RON STATED, KNOW, 80% TO 90%, AS RON STATED, FAVOR REASONABLE RESTRICTIONS ON FAVOR REASONABLE RESTRICTIONS ON GUNS, WHETHER IT’S, YOU KNOW, GUNS, WHETHER IT’S, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO BUY A FLAK JACKET, BEING ABLE TO BUY A FLAK JACKET, THE GUY IN OHIO WAS WEARING A THE GUY IN OHIO WAS WEARING A FLAK JACKET, A KEVLAR VEST. FLAK JACKET, A KEVLAR VEST. WE DON’T NEED COP KILLER WE DON’T NEED COP KILLER BULLETS. BULLETS. WE DON’T NEED HIGH CAPACITY WE DON’T NEED HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES. MAGAZINES. AND I THINK ALMOST EVERYBODY AND I THINK ALMOST EVERYBODY AGREES ON THAT. AGREES ON THAT. AND I THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE AND I THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE LISTENING RIGHT NOW AND I THINK LISTENING RIGHT NOW AND I THINK THAT BETO O’ROURKE ACTUALLY MADE THAT BETO O’ROURKE ACTUALLY MADE A PRETTY STRONG CALL YESTERDAY A PRETTY STRONG CALL YESTERDAY FOR A KIND OF A MORAL RENEWAL IN FOR A KIND OF A MORAL RENEWAL IN AMERICA AND I THINK THAT THAT AMERICA AND I THINK THAT THAT DEFINITELY HAS RESONANCE IN THE DEFINITELY HAS RESONANCE IN THE MIDWEST. MIDWEST.>>BRETT, IF THE NRA HAS HAD ONE>>BRETT, IF THE NRA HAS HAD ONE STANCE, IF GOVERNMENT HAS DONE STANCE, IF GOVERNMENT HAS DONE NOTHING, IS THE ANSWER BIG NOTHING, IS THE ANSWER BIG BUSINESS, TO SAY ENOUGH IS BUSINESS, TO SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH? ENOUGH? IS IT RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS TO IS IT RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS TO SAY, THIS DOESN’T NEED TO BE OUR SAY, THIS DOESN’T NEED TO BE OUR GUN CULTURE? GUN CULTURE? WALMART IS THE BIGGEST EMPLOYER WALMART IS THE BIGGEST EMPLOYER IN AMERICA. IN AMERICA. THEY DON’T NEED TO SELL THESE THEY DON’T NEED TO SELL THESE TYPE OF ASSAULT RIFLES. TYPE OF ASSAULT RIFLES.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. AND WALMART DOES NOT NEED TO AND WALMART DOES NOT NEED TO ACCEPT THE SUPREME COURT’S ACCEPT THE SUPREME COURT’S DEFINITION OF WHAT’S DEFINITION OF WHAT’S PERMISSIBLE. PERMISSIBLE. IT’S A PRIVATE BUSINESS. IT’S A PRIVATE BUSINESS. IT CAN SET STRINGENT IT CAN SET STRINGENT RESTRICTIONS ON WHO IT CHOOSES RESTRICTIONS ON WHO IT CHOOSES TO SELL WHAT SORTS OF THINGS TO. TO SELL WHAT SORTS OF THINGS TO. I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE TO GO TO A I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE TO GO TO A PHARMACIST TO BUY SUDAFED OR PHARMACIST TO BUY SUDAFED OR WHATEVER IT IS AT A PHARMACY, WHATEVER IT IS AT A PHARMACY, THOSE SENSIBLE RULES SHOULD ALSO THOSE SENSIBLE RULES SHOULD ALSO APPLY TO BUYING AR-15s OR BUYING APPLY TO BUYING AR-15s OR BUYING LARGE MAGAZINE CLIPS. LARGE MAGAZINE CLIPS. SO I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT WE SO I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT WE HAVE TO FIND WORK-AROUNDS AROUND HAVE TO FIND WORK-AROUNDS AROUND THE GOVERNMENT, AROUND THE NRA, THE GOVERNMENT, AROUND THE NRA, AND IF BUSINESS ISN’T GOING TO AND IF BUSINESS ISN’T GOING TO TAKE THE LEAD, I DON’T THINK TAKE THE LEAD, I DON’T THINK ANYONE ELSE WILL. ANYONE ELSE WILL. I MEAN, THESE ARE CHOICES THAT I MEAN, THESE ARE CHOICES THAT INDIVIDUAL — BUSINESSMEN LIKE INDIVIDUAL — BUSINESSMEN LIKE PEOPLE LIKE THE HEAD OF DICK’S PEOPLE LIKE THE HEAD OF DICK’S SPORTING GOODS, CAN MAKE. SPORTING GOODS, CAN MAKE. IF THEY DO SO, THEY CAN CREATE A IF THEY DO SO, THEY CAN CREATE A CLIMATE IN WHICH WE SAY, WE ARE CLIMATE IN WHICH WE SAY, WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW GUNS TO GET NOT GOING TO ALLOW GUNS TO GET IN THE HANDS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE IN THE HANDS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES OR COULD MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES OR COULD HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES OR HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES OR COULD BE PRONE TO VIOLENCE. COULD BE PRONE TO VIOLENCE. THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT 98% OF AMERICANS MINUS WAYNE 98% OF AMERICANS MINUS WAYNE LAPIERRE SHOULD BE ABLE TO AGREE LAPIERRE SHOULD BE ABLE TO AGREE ON. ON.>>YOU COVER WHITE NATIONALISM.>>YOU COVER WHITE NATIONALISM. IT IS PART OF YOUR BEAT. IT IS PART OF YOUR BEAT. WHETHER IT’S THE PRESIDENT’S WHETHER IT’S THE PRESIDENT’S RHETORIC, WHITE NATIONALISM IS RHETORIC, WHITE NATIONALISM IS ON THE RISE. ON THE RISE. WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN SINCE THE WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN SINCE THE PRESIDENT TOOK OFFICE? PRESIDENT TOOK OFFICE?>>YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU FLAT>>YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU FLAT OUT, STEPHANIE, WHAT PRIETWHITE OUT, STEPHANIE, WHAT PRIETWHITE SUPREMACISTS HAVE TOLL ME SUPREMACISTS HAVE TOLL ME THEMSELVES WHICH IS WHEN THEY THEMSELVES WHICH IS WHEN THEY HEAR THE PRESIDENT USE SOME OF HEAR THE PRESIDENT USE SOME OF THE WORDS THEY REGULARLY USE THE WORDS THEY REGULARLY USE THAT IMMIGRATION SHOULD BE SEEN THAT IMMIGRATION SHOULD BE SEEN AS AN INVASION, WHEN THEY HEAR AS AN INVASION, WHEN THEY HEAR THE PRESIDENT SELF-IDENTIFY AS A THE PRESIDENT SELF-IDENTIFY AS A NATIONALIST, WHEN THEY HEAR THE NATIONALIST, WHEN THEY HEAR THE PRESIDENT SMIRK AND CRACK A JOKE PRESIDENT SMIRK AND CRACK A JOKE AFTER SOMEONE SAYS THAT AFTER SOMEONE SAYS THAT IMMIGRANTS CROSSING THE BORDER IMMIGRANTS CROSSING THE BORDER SHOULD BE SHOT TO PREVENT THEM SHOULD BE SHOT TO PREVENT THEM FROM COMING HERE, THEY SEE FROM COMING HERE, THEY SEE SOMEONE WHO, TO THEM, IS, AND SOMEONE WHO, TO THEM, IS, AND I’M GOING TO QUOTE ONE OF THEM I’M GOING TO QUOTE ONE OF THEM HERE, A RISING SYMBOL OF WHITE HERE, A RISING SYMBOL OF WHITE CONSCIOUSNESS. CONSCIOUSNESS. IT’S NOT NECESSARILY THEY AGREE IT’S NOT NECESSARILY THEY AGREE WITH HIS POLICIES. WITH HIS POLICIES. IN FACT, SOMETIMES THEY THINK HE IN FACT, SOMETIMES THEY THINK HE DOES NOT GO STRONG ENOUGH. DOES NOT GO STRONG ENOUGH. BUT THEY LOOK AT HIM AND THEY BUT THEY LOOK AT HIM AND THEY SEE SOMEONE WHO REFLECTS SOME OF SEE SOMEONE WHO REFLECTS SOME OF THEIR VALUES BACK TO THEM. THEIR VALUES BACK TO THEM. WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN OTHER WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN OTHER GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE WORLD GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE WORLD WHEN I’VE COVERED TERRORISM AND WHEN I’VE COVERED TERRORISM AND EXTREMISM AROUND THE COUNTRY IS EXTREMISM AROUND THE COUNTRY IS THAT IT TAKES UNEQUIVOCAL THAT IT TAKES UNEQUIVOCAL LANGUAGE TO STOP THAT. LANGUAGE TO STOP THAT. UNFORTUNATELY THIS PRESIDENT UNFORTUNATELY THIS PRESIDENT HASN’T BEEN ABLE TO DELIVER HASN’T BEEN ABLE TO DELIVER THAT. THAT.>>A RISING SYMBOL OF WHITE>>A RISING SYMBOL OF WHITE CONSCIOUSNESS. CONSCIOUSNESS. PHIL, LAST QUESTION TO YOU. PHIL, LAST QUESTION TO YOU. HOW DO YOU STOP WHITE HOW DO YOU STOP WHITE NATIONALISTS WHEN THE PRESIDENT NATIONALISTS WHEN THE PRESIDENT IS CLEARLY SPEAKING THEIR IS CLEARLY SPEAKING THEIR LANGUAGE? LANGUAGE?>>YEAH.>>YEAH. WELL, STEPH, IT’S COMPLICATED WELL, STEPH, IT’S COMPLICATED AND I’M NO EXPERT IN THIS BUT I AND I’M NO EXPERT IN THIS BUT I THINK THE FIRST STEP WOULD HAVE THINK THE FIRST STEP WOULD HAVE TO BE THE PRESIDENT CONFRONTING TO BE THE PRESIDENT CONFRONTING IT DIRECTLY, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT IT DIRECTLY, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THIS IS A THREAT TO THE COUNTRY, THIS IS A THREAT TO THE COUNTRY, AND CONDEMNING IT, REPUDIATING AND CONDEMNING IT, REPUDIATING IT AT EVERY TURN. IT AT EVERY TURN. HE HAS DONE NONE OF THAT. HE HAS DONE NONE OF THAT. THE FBI HAS DOCUMENTED AN THE FBI HAS DOCUMENTED AN INCREASE IN WHITE NATIONALISM INCREASE IN WHITE NATIONALISM EACH YEAR SINCE PRESIDENT TRUMP EACH YEAR SINCE PRESIDENT TRUMP TOOK OFFICE AND, YET, WHEN TOOK OFFICE AND, YET, WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ASKED A FEW PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ASKED A FEW MONTHS AGO ABOUT THE THREAT OF MONTHS AGO ABOUT THE THREAT OF WHITE NATIONALISM, HE SORT OF WHITE NATIONALISM, HE SORT OF POO-POO’d IT AND SAID IT IS JUST POO-POO’d IT AND SAID IT IS JUST A FEW SMALL, CRAZY PEOPLE. A FEW SMALL, CRAZY PEOPLE. HE HAS NOT YET, NOW 48 HOURS HE HAS NOT YET, NOW 48 HOURS AFTER THE EL PASO SHOOTING, HE AFTER THE EL PASO SHOOTING, HE HAS NOT YET CONDEMNED WHITE HAS NOT YET CONDEMNED WHITE NATIONALISM. NATIONALISM. WE’LL SEE IF HE DOES SO DIRECTLY WE’LL SEE IF HE DOES SO DIRECTLY IN HIS REMARKS AT 10:00 A.M. IN HIS REMARKS AT 10:00 A.M. BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE A REAL SEA BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE A REAL SEA CHANGE IN THE KIND OF LEADERSHIP

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MAKE.>>I HOPE THIS ENDS UP BEING A>>I HOPE THIS ENDS UP BEING A FRUITFUL CONVERSATION. FRUITFUL CONVERSATION.>>>SOME SOLUTIONS HAVE FINDING>>>SOME SOLUTIONS HAVE FINDING CONSENSUS WHILE OTHERS ARE CONSENSUS WHILE OTHERS ARE DEFINITELY NOT. DEFINITELY NOT. PRESIDENT TRUMP AS WELL AS MANY PRESIDENT TRUMP AS WELL AS MANY REPUBLICANS ARE NOW ADVOCATING REPUBLICANS ARE NOW ADVOCATING FOR STRONGER BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR STRONGER BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR GUN PURCHASES. FOR GUN PURCHASES. A BILL STRENGTHENING BACKGROUND A BILL STRENGTHENING BACKGROUND CHECKS PASSED THE HOUSE BUT HAS CHECKS PASSED THE HOUSE BUT HAS BEEN WAITING FOR ACTION IN THE BEEN WAITING FOR ACTION IN THE SENATE SINCE FEBRUARY. SENATE SINCE FEBRUARY. THE PRESIDENT CALLING FOR RED THE PRESIDENT CALLING FOR RED FLAG LAWS SUPPORTING BY SENATEOR FLAG LAWS SUPPORTING BY SENATEOR SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM. SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM. DON JR. PUSHED BACK ON THE IDEA. DON JR. PUSHED BACK ON THE IDEA. GUN CONTROL ADVOCATES AND MANY GUN CONTROL ADVOCATES AND MANY DEMOCRATS CALLING TO REINSTATE DEMOCRATS CALLING TO REINSTATE THE BAN. THE BAN. REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE OPPOSED THAT IDEA. OPPOSED THAT IDEA. HERE WAS THE PRESIDENT TODAY HERE WAS THE PRESIDENT TODAY WHEN ASKED ABOUT HIS POSITION. WHEN ASKED ABOUT HIS POSITION.>>IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU CAN SPEAK>>IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU CAN SPEAK AND DO YOUR OWN POLLING. AND DO YOUR OWN POLLING.>>JOINING ME NOW IS OUR>>JOINING ME NOW IS OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, THANK YOU EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. FOR JOINING US.>>NO POLITICAL APPETITE.>>NO POLITICAL APPETITE. THESE ARE THESE MOMENTS IN THESE ARE THESE MOMENTS IN HISTORY WHERE LEADERSHIP IS HISTORY WHERE LEADERSHIP IS IMPORTANT. IMPORTANT. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT POLL THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT POLL WELL AND SOMETHING THAT DON’T. WELL AND SOMETHING THAT DON’T. IN THE FACE OF THESE MASS IN THE FACE OF THESE MASS KILLINGS AND THE TIES NOW OF KILLINGS AND THE TIES NOW OF WHITE NATIONALISM IN SOME CASES. WHITE NATIONALISM IN SOME CASES. I AM NOT SURE A POLITICAL I AM NOT SURE A POLITICAL APPETITE SHOULD BE OUR GUNS AND APPETITE SHOULD BE OUR GUNS AND PRINCIPLES. PRINCIPLES.>>ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAD SO>>ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAD SO MANY YEARS OF THE NRA AND GUN MANY YEARS OF THE NRA AND GUN LAWS. LAWS. WE HAVE SEEN POLITICIANS HAVE WE HAVE SEEN POLITICIANS HAVE NOT BEEN REPRESENTING THE WILL NOT BEEN REPRESENTING THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHEN IT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHEN IT COMES TO THE NEED OF GUN SAFETY. COMES TO THE NEED OF GUN SAFETY. SO YOU KNOW THERE IS NO SO YOU KNOW THERE IS NO POLITICAL WILL, THAT COULD BE POLITICAL WILL, THAT COULD BE BECAUSE REPUBLICANS ARE FILLING BECAUSE REPUBLICANS ARE FILLING THE POCKET OF THE NRA. THE POCKET OF THE NRA. WE KNOW MAJORITY OF THE WE KNOW MAJORITY OF THE AMERICANS SUPPORT RESTRICTIONS AMERICANS SUPPORT RESTRICTIONS ON LARGE CAPACITY AND AMMUNITION ON LARGE CAPACITY AND AMMUNITION MAGAZINES AND ASSAULT WEAPONS. MAGAZINES AND ASSAULT WEAPONS. THAT’S THE MAJORITY OF GUN THAT’S THE MAJORITY OF GUN OWNERS. OWNERS. THERE IS NO POLITICAL APPETITE THERE IS NO POLITICAL APPETITE BECAUSE THESE POLITICIANS DO NOT BECAUSE THESE POLITICIANS DO NOT GET REALIZE DSD THAT THE AMERICA GET REALIZE DSD THAT THE AMERICA PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO PUT UP PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO PUT UP WITH THIS. WITH THIS. WE SAW A COMPLETE CHANGE. WE SAW A COMPLETE CHANGE. WHAT USED TO BE A THIRD RAIL WHAT USED TO BE A THIRD RAIL ISSUE IS AN ABSOLUTE CENTRAL ISSUE IS AN ABSOLUTE CENTRAL ISSUE TO VOTERS. ISSUE TO VOTERS. WHEN WE SAW THE LAST WHEN WE SAW THE LAST CONGRESSIONAL ELECTION, IT WAS CONGRESSIONAL ELECTION, IT WAS NOT A HUGE TRANSITION IN NOT A HUGE TRANSITION IN CONGRESS. CONGRESS. WE SAW DOZENS AND DOZENS OF WE SAW DOZENS AND DOZENS OF THESE CANDIDATES RUNNING ON A THESE CANDIDATES RUNNING ON A GUN SAFETY PLATFORM AND WINNING GUN SAFETY PLATFORM AND WINNING AND EVEN IN STATES LIKE TEXAS AND EVEN IN STATES LIKE TEXAS AND GEORGIA AND COLORADO, THIS AND GEORGIA AND COLORADO, THIS IS NO LONGER A THIRD RAIL ISSUE. IS NO LONGER A THIRD RAIL ISSUE. THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT THE THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE DEMANDING AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE DEMANDING ON. ON.>>DONALD TRUMP JR. SAYS IT GOES>>DONALD TRUMP JR. SAYS IT GOES AROUND DUE PROCESS. AROUND DUE PROCESS. RED FLAG LAWS TO BE ADJUDICATED RED FLAG LAWS TO BE ADJUDICATED OR SOMEONE DETERMINED TO BE A OR SOMEONE DETERMINED TO BE A THREAT, THEY CAN BE DELAYED IN THREAT, THEY CAN BE DELAYED IN ACQUIRING A GUN. ACQUIRING A GUN.>>THE WAY IT WORKS IS SIMPLY>>THE WAY IT WORKS IS SIMPLY SIMILAR TO A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SIMILAR TO A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PROTECTION. PROTECTION. YOU CAN GO IN AND SOMEBODY YOU CAN GO IN AND SOMEBODY SHOWING REAL SIGNS OF BEING A SHOWING REAL SIGNS OF BEING A DANGER TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS. DANGER TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS. THERE IS A TEMPORARY REMOVAL OF THERE IS A TEMPORARY REMOVAL OF THAT PERSON’S GUN TO BY GUNS THAT PERSON’S GUN TO BY GUNS PENDING A FULL HEARING WITHIN 14 PENDING A FULL HEARING WITHIN 14 DAYS. DAYS.>>BY DEFINITION DUE PROCESS.>>BY DEFINITION DUE PROCESS.>>YOU CAN’T GO OUT AND TAKE>>YOU CAN’T GO OUT AND TAKE SOMEBODY’S GUN AWAY. SOMEBODY’S GUN AWAY.>>EVEN JUST TO DO THE INITIAL>>EVEN JUST TO DO THE INITIAL REMOVAL, THERE HAS TO BE REMOVAL, THERE HAS TO BE CREDIBLE EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO A CREDIBLE EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO A JUDGE IN ORDER TO TEMPORARILY JUDGE IN ORDER TO TEMPORARILY REMOVE WEAPONS. REMOVE WEAPONS. THERE WAS A LOT OF CARE TAKEN IN THERE WAS A LOT OF CARE TAKEN IN WRITING THESE LAWS TO MAKE SURE WRITING THESE LAWS TO MAKE SURE TO PROVIDE IT. TO PROVIDE IT.>>INCLUDING PEOPLE WHO — IN>>INCLUDING PEOPLE WHO — IN SOME CASES THESE ARE COMPROMISE SOME CASES THESE ARE COMPROMISE ARRANGEMENTS. ARRANGEMENTS.>>THE DRAFTING WAS DONE>>THE DRAFTING WAS DONE CAREFULLY TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT CAREFULLY TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT OF PROCESS AND SECOND AMENDMENT, OF PROCESS AND SECOND AMENDMENT, TO ENSURE THIS IS A CRISIS TO ENSURE THIS IS A CRISIS TEMPORARY MEASURE WHEN WE HAVE TEMPORARY MEASURE WHEN WE HAVE SIGNS. SIGNS. YOU LOOK AT PARKLAND, THIS WAS A YOU LOOK AT PARKLAND, THIS WAS A SITUATION WHERE THERE WAS SO SITUATION WHERE THERE WAS SO MUCH EVIDENCE OF THE THREAT AND MUCH EVIDENCE OF THE THREAT AND RISK OF THAT INDIVIDUAL RISK OF THAT INDIVIDUAL PRESENTED IN THE COMMUNITY. PRESENTED IN THE COMMUNITY. THERE WAS NOTHING IN PLACE TO THERE WAS NOTHING IN PLACE TO TEMPORARILY REMOVE THOSE GUNS. TEMPORARILY REMOVE THOSE GUNS. THESE LAWS, I GET ASKED THESE LAWS, I GET ASKED QUESTIONS WHAT LAWS WILL PRESENT QUESTIONS WHAT LAWS WILL PRESENT IT? IT? I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT BEFORE I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT BEFORE WE LOOK AT PASSING FEDERAL RED WE LOOK AT PASSING FEDERAL RED FLAG LAWS OR THE LEGISLATION FLAG LAWS OR THE LEGISLATION THAT IS, WE MUST PASS A THAT IS, WE MUST PASS A UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK LAWS. UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK LAWS. THEY CAN’T ACTUALLY BE PROPERLY THEY CAN’T ACTUALLY BE PROPERLY IMPLEMENTED WITHOUT UNIVERSAL IMPLEMENTED WITHOUT UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS EVEN IF YOU BACKGROUND CHECKS EVEN IF YOU HAVE A RESTRICTION, IF YOU CAN HAVE A RESTRICTION, IF YOU CAN JUST GO TO A GUN SHOW OR ONLINE. JUST GO TO A GUN SHOW OR ONLINE. THOSE LAWS WON’T BE EFFECTIVE. THOSE LAWS WON’T BE EFFECTIVE.>>YOU DEAL WITH IT ALL THE>>YOU DEAL WITH IT ALL THE TIME. TIME. DO YOU SENSE THE MOMENTUM. DO YOU SENSE THE MOMENTUM. DOES THE PRESIDENT SAY WE SHOULD DOES THE PRESIDENT SAY WE SHOULD DO THIS? DO THIS? WILL THAT TIP THE BALANCE OF WILL THAT TIP THE BALANCE OF ANYTHING? ANYTHING? WILL IT GET US A VOTE IN THE WILL IT GET US A VOTE IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE? UNITED STATES SENATE?>>IT SHOULD FOR SURE.>>IT SHOULD FOR SURE.>>RIGHT NOW THE OBSTACLE IS>>RIGHT NOW THE OBSTACLE IS MITCH McCONNELL. MITCH McCONNELL. HE HAS NOT BROUGHT IT, HE NEEDS HE HAS NOT BROUGHT IT, HE NEEDS TO CALL THE SENATE BACK IN. TO CALL THE SENATE BACK IN. THEY NEED TO VOTE ON THIS. THEY NEED TO VOTE ON THIS. THE PRESIDENT IS BEHIND THIS. THE PRESIDENT IS BEHIND THIS. WE KNOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE WE KNOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE DEMANDING IT. DEMANDING IT. CONGRESS ARE BEHIND IT. CONGRESS ARE BEHIND IT. MITCH McCONNELL WHO ARE IN THE MITCH McCONNELL WHO ARE IN THE POCKET OF THE NRA TAKING MILLION POCKET OF THE NRA TAKING MILLION OF DOLLARS OF CONTRIBUTIONS AND OF DOLLARS OF CONTRIBUTIONS AND REFUSING TO CALL IT FOR A VOTE. REFUSING TO CALL IT FOR A VOTE. WHEN 90% OF AMERICANS LAUNCH WHEN 90% OF AMERICANS LAUNCH THIS. THIS. HE REFUSED TO CALL IT FOR A HE REFUSED TO CALL IT FOR A VOTE. VOTE. WHO DOES HE REPRESENT? WHO DOES HE REPRESENT? HE DOES NOT REPRESENT THE

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>>>THIS MORNING A SERIES OF NEW>>>THIS MORNING A SERIES OF NEW REPORTS HAVE FOCUSED ON REPORTS HAVE FOCUSED ON ANSWERING ONE LINGERING QUESTION ANSWERING ONE LINGERING QUESTION IN THE CASE AGAINST JEFFREY IN THE CASE AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN. THE FINANCEER WHO PLED NOT THE FINANCEER WHO PLED NOT GUILTY TO CHARGES OF SEX GUILTY TO CHARGES OF SEX TRAFFICKING OF TEENAGE GIRLS. TRAFFICKING OF TEENAGE GIRLS. HOW ON EARTH DID EPSTEIN MAKE HOW ON EARTH DID EPSTEIN MAKE ALL OF HIS MONEY? ALL OF HIS MONEY? ACCORDING TO THE “NEW YORK ACCORDING TO THE “NEW YORK TIMES” HE HAD DEEP TIES TO SOME TIMES” HE HAD DEEP TIES TO SOME OF WALL STREET’S TOP FIGURES. OF WALL STREET’S TOP FIGURES. “THE TIMES” DETAILS EPSTEIN, “THE TIMES” DETAILS EPSTEIN, QUOTE, LIKED TO PORTRAY HIMSELF QUOTE, LIKED TO PORTRAY HIMSELF AS A FINANCIAL WIZARD, SOMEONE AS A FINANCIAL WIZARD, SOMEONE WHOSE BUSINESS AND INVESTING WHOSE BUSINESS AND INVESTING ACUMEN MADE HIM INDISPENSABLE TO ACUMEN MADE HIM INDISPENSABLE TO CORPORATE EXECUTIVES AND OTHER CORPORATE EXECUTIVES AND OTHER LEADERS BUT THERE IS VERY LITTLE LEADERS BUT THERE IS VERY LITTLE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT NOTION. EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT NOTION. MR. EPSTEIN NONETHELESS MANAGED MR. EPSTEIN NONETHELESS MANAGED TO AFFIX HIMSELF TO A HANDFUL OF TO AFFIX HIMSELF TO A HANDFUL OF PROMINENT WALL STREET VETERANS. PROMINENT WALL STREET VETERANS. MEANWHILE AN ARTICLE IN “VANITY MEANWHILE AN ARTICLE IN “VANITY FAIR” DIVES INTO EPSTEIN’S FAIR” DIVES INTO EPSTEIN’S RELATIONSHIP WITH BILLIONAIRE RELATIONSHIP WITH BILLIONAIRE HEDGE FUND MANAGER GLEN DUBIN HEDGE FUND MANAGER GLEN DUBIN AND HOW EPSTEIN TURNED PERSONAL AND HOW EPSTEIN TURNED PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS INTO MULTIMILLION RELATIONSHIPS INTO MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DEALS FOR HIMSELF. DOLLAR DEALS FOR HIMSELF. WHY EXACTLY THESE WALL STREET WHY EXACTLY THESE WALL STREET VETERANS STAYED BY HIS SIDE FOR VETERANS STAYED BY HIS SIDE FOR SO MANY YEARS. SO MANY YEARS. JOINING ME NOW BILL COEN WHO JOINING ME NOW BILL COEN WHO ALSO DUG INTO EPSTEIN’S WALL ALSO DUG INTO EPSTEIN’S WALL STREET NETWORK. STREET NETWORK. IN HIS MUST READ “VANITY FAIR” IN HIS MUST READ “VANITY FAIR” PIECE AND THE EDITOR BEHIND THE PIECE AND THE EDITOR BEHIND THE STUNNING “NEW YORK TIMES” STUNNING “NEW YORK TIMES” REPORT. REPORT. KATE, WALK US THROUGH THE KATE, WALK US THROUGH THE NETWORK THAT EPSTEIN BUILT. NETWORK THAT EPSTEIN BUILT. THE FACT THAT THE HEAD OF THE FACT THAT THE HEAD OF JPMORGAN’S PRIVATE BANK VISITED JPMORGAN’S PRIVATE BANK VISITED EPSTEIN NOT IN HIS MANSION, NOT EPSTEIN NOT IN HIS MANSION, NOT AT HIS ISLAND, BUT IN HIS WORK AT HIS ISLAND, BUT IN HIS WORK RELEASE PRISON OFFICE. RELEASE PRISON OFFICE.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT. IT’S PRETTY PHENOMENAL. IT’S PRETTY PHENOMENAL. LET’S TALK ABOUT STALEY FIRST. LET’S TALK ABOUT STALEY FIRST. AT THE TIME A SENIOR EXECUTIVE AT THE TIME A SENIOR EXECUTIVE AT JPMORGAN RUNNING THE ASSET AT JPMORGAN RUNNING THE ASSET MANAGEMENT DIVISION. MANAGEMENT DIVISION. WHEN HE STARTED IN THE JPMORGAN WHEN HE STARTED IN THE JPMORGAN ROLE HE WAS TOLD HE NEEDED TO ROLE HE WAS TOLD HE NEEDED TO KNOW JEFFREY EPSTEIN BECAUSE HE KNOW JEFFREY EPSTEIN BECAUSE HE WAS A RAINMAKER OF SORTS WHO WAS A RAINMAKER OF SORTS WHO BROUGHT CLIENTS TO JPMORGAN AND BROUGHT CLIENTS TO JPMORGAN AND WAS A CLIENT HIMSELF IN THE WAS A CLIENT HIMSELF IN THE PRIVATE BANK. PRIVATE BANK. SO HE DID MEET HIM. SO HE DID MEET HIM. EPSTEIN APPARENTLY DID STEER EPSTEIN APPARENTLY DID STEER CLIENTS TO STALEY AND JPMORGAN. CLIENTS TO STALEY AND JPMORGAN. DOZENS OF THEM. DOZENS OF THEM.>>BEING A CONNECTOR ISN’T THAT>>BEING A CONNECTOR ISN’T THAT ODD. ODD. YOU GET PAID TO BE THE MIDDLE YOU GET PAID TO BE THE MIDDLE GUY. GUY.>>SURE.>>SURE.>>BUT WHEN HE WAS IN PRISON?>>BUT WHEN HE WAS IN PRISON?>>SO STALEY, ANOTHER IMPORTANT>>SO STALEY, ANOTHER IMPORTANT PIECE TOUCHING ON GLEN DUBIN AS PIECE TOUCHING ON GLEN DUBIN AS WELL. WELL. STALEY MEETS GLEN DUBIN WHO RUNS STALEY MEETS GLEN DUBIN WHO RUNS HIBRIDGE CAPITAL MANAGEMENT HIBRIDGE CAPITAL MANAGEMENT THROUGH EPSTEIN AND MAKES THIS THROUGH EPSTEIN AND MAKES THIS CONNECTION AND THEN BUYS THE CONNECTION AND THEN BUYS THE WHOLE THING A NUMBER OF YEARS WHOLE THING A NUMBER OF YEARS LATER. LATER. IT REALLY HELPS INCREASE THE IT REALLY HELPS INCREASE THE SUCCESS OF THAT BUSINESS. SUCCESS OF THAT BUSINESS. IT GROWS THE AUM BY A WIDE IT GROWS THE AUM BY A WIDE MARGIN AND MAKES STALEY AND MARGIN AND MAKES STALEY AND DUBIN BOTH SORT OF BUSINESS DUBIN BOTH SORT OF BUSINESS HEROES. HEROES. STALEY IS SO GRATEFUL FOR THIS STALEY IS SO GRATEFUL FOR THIS HELP THAT HE ACTUALLY VISITS HELP THAT HE ACTUALLY VISITS EPSTEIN DURING 2008 OR 2009 AT EPSTEIN DURING 2008 OR 2009 AT THIS TIME AS YOU SAID WHEN HE IS THIS TIME AS YOU SAID WHEN HE IS INCARCERATED AND HE’S WORKING INCARCERATED AND HE’S WORKING OUT OF AN OFFICE IN PALM BEACH. OUT OF AN OFFICE IN PALM BEACH.>>AMAZING.>>AMAZING. BILL, IN YOUR PIECE YOU DESCRIBE BILL, IN YOUR PIECE YOU DESCRIBE AN INTERACTION BETWEEN EPSTEIN AN INTERACTION BETWEEN EPSTEIN AND A PORTFOLIO MANAGER AT HIGH AND A PORTFOLIO MANAGER AT HIGH BRIDGE. BRIDGE. I WANT TO READ IT BECAUSE THE I WANT TO READ IT BECAUSE THE DESCRIPTION IS SO OUT OF THE DESCRIPTION IS SO OUT OF THE ORDINARY. ORDINARY. THIS IS ACCORDING TO SOMEONE WHO THIS IS ACCORDING TO SOMEONE WHO HEARD THE STORY. HEARD THE STORY. KUSNAN WENT TO EPSTEIN’S KUSNAN WENT TO EPSTEIN’S TOWNHOUSE AND WAS USHERED INTO A TOWNHOUSE AND WAS USHERED INTO A LITTLE ROOM BY A BUTLER. LITTLE ROOM BY A BUTLER. THERE HE SAW EPSTEIN SITTING THERE HE SAW EPSTEIN SITTING ATOP A RAISED PLATFORM LIKE A ATOP A RAISED PLATFORM LIKE A THRONE WITH TWO STRIKINGLY THRONE WITH TWO STRIKINGLY GORGEOUS YOUNG EASTERN EUROPEAN GORGEOUS YOUNG EASTERN EUROPEAN WOMEN STANDING BESIDE THE CHAIR. WOMEN STANDING BESIDE THE CHAIR. EPSTEIN ASKED KUSNAN A FEW EPSTEIN ASKED KUSNAN A FEW QUESTIONS AND THEN QUICKLY QUESTIONS AND THEN QUICKLY DECLARED THAT HE WAS DISMISSED. DECLARED THAT HE WAS DISMISSED. THE BUTLER ESCORTED KUSNAN OUT THE BUTLER ESCORTED KUSNAN OUT OF THE MANSION. OF THE MANSION. HE WALKED BACK TO HIS OFFICE AND HE WALKED BACK TO HIS OFFICE AND SITTING ON THE FAX MACHINE WAS SITTING ON THE FAX MACHINE WAS THE SIGNED PAPERWORK FROM THE SIGNED PAPERWORK FROM EPSTEIN AGREEING TO MAKE A EPSTEIN AGREEING TO MAKE A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT MULTIMILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT IN KUSNAN’S FUND. IN KUSNAN’S FUND. THIS IS NOT A NORMAL THIS IS NOT A NORMAL INTERACTION. INTERACTION. A HEDGE FUND MANAGER DOESN’T GO A HEDGE FUND MANAGER DOESN’T GO TO A WEALTHY GUY’S HOUSE AND TO A WEALTHY GUY’S HOUSE AND GREET HIM ON A THRONE SURROUNDED GREET HIM ON A THRONE SURROUNDED BY BEAUTIFUL WOMEN AND THEN BY BEAUTIFUL WOMEN AND THEN YEARS LATER WHEN THE FUND MAY YEARS LATER WHEN THE FUND MAY LOSE SOME MONEY AN INVESTOR LOSE SOME MONEY AN INVESTOR DOESN’T GET TO THEN GET ALL THE DOESN’T GET TO THEN GET ALL THE ORIGINAL INVESTMENT OUT. ORIGINAL INVESTMENT OUT. WHY ON EARTH WOULD THIS SCENE WHY ON EARTH WOULD THIS SCENE HAPPEN? HAPPEN?>>I THINK IT HAPPENED,>>I THINK IT HAPPENED, STEPHANIE, BECAUSE OF GLEN DUBIN STEPHANIE, BECAUSE OF GLEN DUBIN WANTING IT TO HAPPEN. WANTING IT TO HAPPEN. BOTH JOSEPH KUSNAN WHO DID SPEND BOTH JOSEPH KUSNAN WHO DID SPEND TIME AS A PORTFOLIO MANAGER AT TIME AS A PORTFOLIO MANAGER AT HIGH BRIDGE AND DAN ZWORN WERE HIGH BRIDGE AND DAN ZWORN WERE SETTING UP THEIR OWN FUNDS SORT SETTING UP THEIR OWN FUNDS SORT OF LIKE TIGER CUB KIND OF CUBS OF LIKE TIGER CUB KIND OF CUBS FUNDS UNDER THE AUSPICES OF GLEN FUNDS UNDER THE AUSPICES OF GLEN DUBIN AND GLEN HAVING THIS DUBIN AND GLEN HAVING THIS BIG-TIME RELATIONSHIP WITH BIG-TIME RELATIONSHIP WITH JEFFREY DUBIN, DIRECTED THEIR — JEFFREY DUBIN, DIRECTED THEIR — HIS AFFILIATES TO ESSENTIALLY HIS AFFILIATES TO ESSENTIALLY ACCEPT THIS MONEY FROM JEFFREY ACCEPT THIS MONEY FROM JEFFREY EPSTEIN NO QUESTIONS ASKED. EPSTEIN NO QUESTIONS ASKED. AND OF COURSE IN TYPICAL AND OF COURSE IN TYPICAL NOUVEAU, HEDGE FUND MANAGER WAY NOUVEAU, HEDGE FUND MANAGER WAY THEY DIDN’T ASK MANY QUESTIONS THEY DIDN’T ASK MANY QUESTIONS EVEN THOUGH THEY WEREN’T ALLOWED EVEN THOUGH THEY WEREN’T ALLOWED TO AND OF COURSE THEY ACCEPTED TO AND OF COURSE THEY ACCEPTED THE MONEY BECAUSE IT WAS A LOT THE MONEY BECAUSE IT WAS A LOT OF MONEY. OF MONEY.>>BUT WHAT WAS JEFFREY>>BUT WHAT WAS JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S SPECIAL TALENT? EPSTEIN’S SPECIAL TALENT? THIS IS WHAT I DON’T GET. THIS IS WHAT I DON’T GET. RIGHT? RIGHT? WHY WOULD THEY ALL STAND BY HIM WHY WOULD THEY ALL STAND BY HIM AND FOR SO LONG, KATE? AND FOR SO LONG, KATE? WE GO BACK AND WE THINK BERNIE WE GO BACK AND WE THINK BERNIE MADDOFF. MADDOFF. ALL THOSE PEOPLE FLOCKED TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE FLOCKED TO MADOFF BECAUSE OF OUT SIZED MADOFF BECAUSE OF OUT SIZED RETURNS. RETURNS. TALKING ABOUT AN AMAZING TALKING ABOUT AN AMAZING INVESTOR, LOOK AT HIS RETURNS, A INVESTOR, LOOK AT HIS RETURNS, A JOHN PAULSON DURING THE SUB JOHN PAULSON DURING THE SUB PRIME. PRIME. YOU’D SAY, AH. YOU’D SAY, AH. THIS WAS THE MAGIC. THIS WAS THE MAGIC. WHERE WAS JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S WHERE WAS JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S MAGIC THAT HAD SOME OF THE MAGIC THAT HAD SOME OF THE BIGGEST GUYS, LEON BLACK THE BIGGEST GUYS, LEON BLACK THE FOUNDER OF APOLLO, WHAT IN THE FOUNDER OF APOLLO, WHAT IN THE WORLD DOES HE NEED OR GET FROM WORLD DOES HE NEED OR GET FROM EPSTEIN? EPSTEIN?>>I THINK THERE WERE TWO>>I THINK THERE WERE TWO NARRATIVES SURROUNDING JEFFREY NARRATIVES SURROUNDING JEFFREY EPSTEIN AT LEAST UNTIL HE BECAME EPSTEIN AT LEAST UNTIL HE BECAME INFAMOUS FOR THESE OTHER INFAMOUS FOR THESE OTHER REASONS. REASONS. HE MANAGED LESLIE WEXNER’S HE MANAGED LESLIE WEXNER’S FORTUNE, FOUNDER OF L BRANDS, A FORTUNE, FOUNDER OF L BRANDS, A BILLIONAIRE DECADES AGO AT A BILLIONAIRE DECADES AGO AT A TIME WHEN THERE WERE LESS TIME WHEN THERE WERE LESS BILLIONAIRES AND HAD A FAR BILLIONAIRES AND HAD A FAR REACHING ALL ENCOMPASSING ROLE REACHING ALL ENCOMPASSING ROLE MANAGING HIS INVESTMENT MONEY, MANAGING HIS INVESTMENT MONEY, HIS PHILANTHROPY, DOING FAMILY HIS PHILANTHROPY, DOING FAMILY OFFICE TYPE DUTIES. OFFICE TYPE DUTIES. I DON’T THINK WE EVEN KNOW THE I DON’T THINK WE EVEN KNOW THE FULL EXTENT YET BUT IT WAS WIDE FULL EXTENT YET BUT IT WAS WIDE RANGING. RANGING. HE WAS KNOWN FOR THAT AND HE GOT HE WAS KNOWN FOR THAT AND HE GOT WEALTH EIGHT LEAST LARGELY IN WEALTH EIGHT LEAST LARGELY IN PART BECAUSE OF THAT. PART BECAUSE OF THAT. PEOPLE KNEW THAT. PEOPLE KNEW THAT. HE ALSO HAD A REPUTATION FOR HE ALSO HAD A REPUTATION FOR BEING SAVVY WHEN IT CAME TO TAX BEING SAVVY WHEN IT CAME TO TAX STRATEGIES AND ESTATE PLANNING. STRATEGIES AND ESTATE PLANNING. NOW, WHERE HE GOT THAT NOW, WHERE HE GOT THAT REPUTATION BEYOND WEXNER I’M NOT REPUTATION BEYOND WEXNER I’M NOT SURE BUT IT WAS ENOUGH THAT LEON SURE BUT IT WAS ENOUGH THAT LEON BLACK HIRED HIM OVER A COURSE OF BLACK HIRED HIM OVER A COURSE OF 15 OR SO YEARS ON AND OFF TO DO 15 OR SO YEARS ON AND OFF TO DO THIS WORK FOR HIM. THIS WORK FOR HIM.>>SO LEON BLACK WHO RUNS>>SO LEON BLACK WHO RUNS APOLLO, HAS DOZENS OF TAX APOLLO, HAS DOZENS OF TAX SPECIALISTS WHO WORK FOR HIM. SPECIALISTS WHO WORK FOR HIM.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>HE NEEDS JEFFREY EPSTEIN>>HE NEEDS JEFFREY EPSTEIN FORMER MATH TEACHER FROM DALTON? FORMER MATH TEACHER FROM DALTON?>>APPARENTLY.>>APPARENTLY. WHO DOES NOT HAVE A BACHELOR’S WHO DOES NOT HAVE A BACHELOR’S DEGREE. DEGREE. WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE TO WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE TO ESTABLISH THAT RELATIONSHIP, ESTABLISH THAT RELATIONSHIP, BLACK TRUSTED HIM ENOUGH THAT HE BLACK TRUSTED HIM ENOUGH THAT HE KEPT HIM ON AND OFF FOR MORE KEPT HIM ON AND OFF FOR MORE THAN A DECADE AND HE ALSO ADDED THAN A DECADE AND HE ALSO ADDED HIM AS A DIRECTOR, WHICH IS WELL HIM AS A DIRECTOR, WHICH IS WELL KNOWN AT THIS POINT, TO LEON’S KNOWN AT THIS POINT, TO LEON’S OWN FAMILY FOUNDATION BOARD OWN FAMILY FOUNDATION BOARD AROUND THE YEAR 2000. AROUND THE YEAR 2000.>>MANY OF THESE RELATIONSHIPS>>MANY OF THESE RELATIONSHIPS STAYED WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN STAYED WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN THROUGH HIS PRISON SENTENCE AND THROUGH HIS PRISON SENTENCE AND AFTER. AFTER. GLEN DUBIN IS ONE OF THEM. GLEN DUBIN IS ONE OF THEM. COULD IT POSSIBLY BE THESE COULD IT POSSIBLY BE THESE PEOPLE DIDN’T ACTUALLY KNOW THE PEOPLE DIDN’T ACTUALLY KNOW THE EXTENT OF WHAT HE HAD DONE? EXTENT OF WHAT HE HAD DONE? IF HE WENT TO JAIL FOR IF HE WENT TO JAIL FOR SOLICITING A PROSTITUTE THAT SOLICITING A PROSTITUTE THAT COULD BE SOMETHING PEOPLE WOULD COULD BE SOMETHING PEOPLE WOULD SAY, LISTEN. SAY, LISTEN. THIS ISN’T GOOD. THIS ISN’T GOOD. IT’S NOT GREAT BUT I FORGIVE IT’S NOT GREAT BUT I FORGIVE YOU. YOU. IS THERE A CHANCE THEY DID NOT IS THERE A CHANCE THEY DID NOT KNOW THE EXTENT TO THE POSSIBLE KNOW THE EXTENT TO THE POSSIBLE WRONGDOING OR WHAT HE IS ACCUSED WRONGDOING OR WHAT HE IS ACCUSED OF NOW? OF NOW?>>LOOK, STEPHANIE, KATE, KELLY>>LOOK, STEPHANIE, KATE, KELLY IS A FABULOUS REPORTER AND I IS A FABULOUS REPORTER AND I RESPECT EVERYTHING SHE DOES. RESPECT EVERYTHING SHE DOES. I’M REALLY WONDERING FRANKLY I’M REALLY WONDERING FRANKLY WHETHER THERE’S JUST A LOT OF WHETHER THERE’S JUST A LOT OF MYTH MAKING GOING ON NOW ABOUT MYTH MAKING GOING ON NOW ABOUT JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS, YOU JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND HIS, YOU KNOW, TAX AND ACCOUNTING KNOW, TAX AND ACCOUNTING PROWESS, HIS MONEY MANAGEMENT PROWESS, HIS MONEY MANAGEMENT PROWESS. PROWESS. I THINK THIS IS ALL A NARRATIVE I THINK THIS IS ALL A NARRATIVE BEING CREATED TO COVER UP BEING CREATED TO COVER UP SOMETHING MUCH DEEPER AND DARKER SOMETHING MUCH DEEPER AND DARKER THAT WE DON’T KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT WE DON’T KNOW WHAT IT IS YET, BECAUSE I’M SORRY YOU DON’T YET, BECAUSE I’M SORRY YOU DON’T GIVE SOMEBODY A MANSION ON EAST GIVE SOMEBODY A MANSION ON EAST 71st STREET THAT’S NOW 71st STREET THAT’S NOW APPARENTLY WORTH $77 MILLION APPARENTLY WORTH $77 MILLION JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE MANAGING HIS JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE MANAGING HIS MONEY. MONEY.>>WE DON’T HAVE EVIDENCE OF>>WE DON’T HAVE EVIDENCE OF THAT THOUGH. THAT THOUGH. AT THIS POINT, GIFTING A MANSION AT THIS POINT, GIFTING A MANSION TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN AT THIS POINT TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN AT THIS POINT IS URBAN LEGEND. IS URBAN LEGEND. IT MAY BE TRUE BUT WE DON’T KNOW IT MAY BE TRUE BUT WE DON’T KNOW FOR SURE. FOR SURE.>>I THINK BILL MAKES A GOOD>>I THINK BILL MAKES A GOOD POINT THOUGH. POINT THOUGH. I THINK THERE WAS BLUSTER AND I THINK THERE WAS BLUSTER AND WHITE LIES PROBABLY ALSO WHITE LIES PROBABLY ALSO OUTRIGHT LIES IN TERMS OF OUTRIGHT LIES IN TERMS OF EPSTEIN AND THE WAY HE DESCRIBED EPSTEIN AND THE WAY HE DESCRIBED HIS RELATIONSHIPS WITH THESE HIS RELATIONSHIPS WITH THESE BUSINESS FIGURES. BUSINESS FIGURES. I THINK A LOT OF IT WAS BS OR I THINK A LOT OF IT WAS BS OR GREATLY EXAGGERATED. GREATLY EXAGGERATED. HE DID ENTERTAIN AND HAVE PEOPLE HE DID ENTERTAIN AND HAVE PEOPLE OVER AND DID MEET PEOPLE IN OVER AND DID MEET PEOPLE IN OFFICES AND AT FUNCTIONS. OFFICES AND AT FUNCTIONS. THE INTERESTING THING WE FOUND THE INTERESTING THING WE FOUND THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT AND WE THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT AND WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE BLUSTER IN OUR STORY, THERE WERE BLUSTER IN OUR STORY, THERE WERE THESE REAL CONNECTIONS. THESE REAL CONNECTIONS. THEY MAY HAVE BEEN ONLY A FEW THEY MAY HAVE BEEN ONLY A FEW BUT IT WAS ENOUGH THAT HE SORT BUT IT WAS ENOUGH THAT HE SORT OF LEVERAGED THAT INTO ACCESS TO OF LEVERAGED THAT INTO ACCESS TO PEOPLE AND BUILDING THIS PEOPLE AND BUILDING THIS REPUTATION, EVEN IF IT WAS REPUTATION, EVEN IF IT WAS LARGELY HOT AIR. LARGELY HOT AIR.>>MY GOODNESS.>>MY GOODNESS.>>I AGREE WITH KATE COMPLETELY>>I AGREE WITH KATE COMPLETELY ON THAT. ON THAT. THE QUESTION IS, WHY WAS HE ABLE THE QUESTION IS, WHY WAS HE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THESE RELATIONSHIPS TO LEVERAGE THESE RELATIONSHIPS AND FOR SO LONG AS YOU ASK,