The Rise of Conservatism: Crash Course US History #41


Episode 41: Rise of Conservatism Hi, I’m John Green, this is CrashCourse
U.S. history and today we’re going to–Nixon?–we’re going to talk about the rise of conservatism.
So Alabama, where I went to high school, is a pretty conservative state and reliably sends
Republicans to Washington. Like, both of its Senators, Jeff Sessions and Richard Shelby,
are Republicans. But did you know that Richard Shelby used to be a Democrat, just like basically
all of Alabama’s Senators since reconstruction? And this shift from Democrat to Republican
throughout the South is the result of the rise in conservative politics in the 1960s
and 1970s that we are going to talk about today. And along the way, we get to put Richard
Nixon’s head in a jar. Stan just informed me that we don’t actually
get to put Richard Nixon’s head in a jar. It’s just a Futurama joke. And now I’m
sad. So, you’ll remember from our last episode
that we learned that not everyone in the 1960s was a psychedelic rock-listening, war-protesting
hippie. In fact, there was a strong undercurrent of conservative thinking that ran throughout
the 1960s, even among young people. And one aspect of this was the rise of free
market ideology and libertarianism. Like, since the 1950s, a majority of Americans had
broadly agreed that “free enterprise” was a good thing and should be encouraged
both in the U.S. and abroad. Mr. Green, Mr. Green, and also in deep space
where no man has gone before? No, MFTP. You’re thinking of the Starship
Enterprise, not free enterprise. And anyway, Me From The Past, have you ever
seen a more aggressively communist television program than “The Neutral Zone” from Star
Trek: The Next Generation’s first season? I don’t think so.
intro Alright so, in the 1950s a growing number
of libertarians argued that unregulated capitalism and individual autonomy were the essence of
American freedom. And although they were staunchly anti-communist, their real target was the
regulatory state that had been created by the New Deal. You know, social security, and
not being allowed to, you know, choose how many pigs you kill, etc.
Other conservatives weren’t libertarians at all but moral conservatives who were okay
with the rules that enforced traditional notions of family and morality. Even if that seemed
like, you know, an oppressive government. For them virtue was the essence of America.
But both of these strands of conservatism were very hostile toward communism and also
to the idea of “big government.” And it’s worth noting that since World War
I, the size and scope of the federal government had increased dramatically.
And hostility toward the idea of “big government” remains the signal feature of contemporary
conservatism. Although very few people actually argue for shrinking the government. Because,
you know, that would be very unpopular. People like Medicare.
But it was faith in the free market that infused the ideology of the most vocal young conservatives
in the 1960s. They didn’t receive nearly as much press
as their liberal counterparts but these young conservatives played a pivotal role in reshaping
the Republican Party, especially in the election of 1964.
The 1964 presidential election was important in American history precisely because it was
so incredibly uncompetitive. I mean, Lyndon Johnson was carrying the torch
of a wildly popular American president who had been assassinated a few months before.
He was never going to lose. And indeed he didn’t. The republican candidate,
Arizona senator Barry Goldwater, was demolished by LBJ.
But the mere fact of Goldwater’s nomination was a huge conservative victory. I mean, he
beat out liberal Republican New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller. And yes, there were liberal
Republicans. Goldwater demanded a harder line in the Cold
War, even suggesting that nuclear war might be an option in the fight against communism.
And he lambasted the New Deal liberal welfare state for destroying American initiative and
individual liberty. I mean, why bother working when you could just enjoy life on the dole?
I mean, unemployment insurance allowed anyone in America to become a hundredaire.
But it was his stance on the Cold War that doomed his candidacy. In his acceptance speech,
Goldwater famously declared, “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.”
Which made it really easy for Johnson to paint Goldwater as an extremist.
In the famous “Daisy” advertisement, Johnson’s supporters countered Goldwater’s campaign
slogan of “in your heart, you know he’s right” with “but in your guts you know
he’s nuts.” So in the end, Goldwater received a paltry
27 million votes to Johnson’s 43 million, and Democrats racked up huge majorities in
both houses of Congress. This hides, however, the significance of the election. Five of
the six states that Goldwater carried were in the Deep South, which had been reliably
democratic, known as the “Solid South,” in fact.
Now, it’s too simple to say that race alone led to the shift from Democratic to the Republican
party in the South because Goldwater didn’t really talk much about race.
But the Democrats, especially under LBJ, became the party associated with defending civil
rights and ending segregation, and that definitely played a role in white southerners’ abandoning
the Democrats, as was demonstrated even more clearly in the 1968 election.
The election of 1968 was a real cluster-Calhoun, I mean, there were riots and there was also
the nomination of Hubert Humphrey, who was very unpopular with the anti-war movement,
and also was named Hubert Humphrey, and that’s just what happened with the Democrats.
But, lost in that picture was the Republican nominee, Richard Milhous Nixon, who was one
of the few candidates in American history to come back and win the presidency after
losing in a previous election. How’d he do it?
Well, it probably wasn’t his charm, but it might have been his patience. Nixon was
famous for his ability to sit and wait in poker games. It made him very successful during
his tour of duty in the South Pacific. In fact, he earned the nickname “Old Iron Butt.”
Plus, he was anti-communist, but didn’t talk a lot about nuking people. And the clincher
was probably that he was from California, which by the late 1960s was becoming the most
populous state in the nation. Nixon won the election, campaigning as the
candidate of the “silent majority” of Americans who weren’t anti-war protesters,
and who didn’t admire free love or the communal ideals of hippies.
And who were alarmed at the rights that the Supreme Court seemed to be expanding, especially
for criminals. This silent majority felt that the rights
revolution had gone too far. I mean, they were concerned about the breakdown in traditional
values and in law and order. Stop me if any of this sounds familiar.
Nixon also promised to be tough on crime, which was coded language to whites in the
south that he wouldn’t support civil rights protests. The equation of crime with African
Americans has a long and sordid history in the United States, and Nixon played it up
following a “Southern strategy” to further draw white Democrats who favored segregation
into the Republican ranks. Now, Nixon only won 43% of the vote, but if
you’ve paid attention to American history, you know that you ain’t gotta win a majority
to be the president. He was denied that majority primarily by Alabama
Governor George Wallace, who was running on a pro-segregation ticket and won 13% of the
vote. So 56% of American voters chose candidates
who were either explicitly or quietly against civil rights.
Conservatives who voted for Nixon hoping he would roll back the New Deal were disappointed.
I mean, in some ways the Nixon domestic agenda was just a continuation of LBJ’s Great Society.
This was partly because Congress was still in the hands of Democrats, but also Nixon
didn’t push for conservative programs and he didn’t veto new initiatives. Because
they were popular. And he liked to be popular. So in fact, a number of big government “liberal”
programs began under Nixon. I mean, the environmental movement achieved success with the enactment
of the Clean Air Act, and the Clean Water Act, and the Endangered Species Act.
The Occupational Health and Safety Administration and the National Transportation Safety Board
were created to make new regulations that would protect worker safety and make cars
safer. That’s not government getting out of our
lives, that’s government getting into our cars.
Now, Nixon did abolish the Office of Economic Opportunity, but he also indexed social security
benefits to inflation and he proposed the Family Assistance Plan that would guarantee
a minimum income for all Americans. And, the Nixon years saw some of the most
aggressive affirmative action in American history. LBJ had begun the process by requiring
recipients of federal contracts to have specific numbers of minority employees and timetables
for increasing those numbers. But Nixon expanded this with the Philadelphia
plan, which required federal construction projects to have minority employees. He ended
up attacking this plan after realising that it was wildly unpopular with trade unions,
which had very few black members, but he had proposed it.
And when Nixon had the opportunity to nominate a new Chief Justice to the Supreme Court after
Earl Warren retired in 1969, his choice, Warren Burger was supposed to be a supporter of small
government and conservative ideals, but, just like Nixon, he proved a disappointment in
that regard. Like, in Swan v. Charlotte-Mecklenbug Board
of Education, the court upheld a lower court ruling that required busing of students to
achieve integration in Charlotte’s schools. And then the Burger court made it easier for
minorities to sue for employment discrimination, especially with its ruling in Regents of the
University of California v. Bakke. This upheld affirmative action as a valid governmental
interest, although it did strike down the use of strict quotas in university admissions.
Now, many conservatives didn’t like these affirmative action decisions, but one case
above all others had a profound effect on American politics: Roe v. Wade.
Roe v. Wade established a woman’s right to have an abortion in the first trimester
of a pregnancy as well as a more limited right as the pregnancy progressed. And that decision
galvanized first Catholics and then Evangelical Protestants.
And that ties in nicely with another strand in American conservatism that developed in
the 1960s and 1970s. Let’s go to the ThoughtBubble. Many Americans felt that traditional family
values were deteriorating and looked to conservative republican candidates to stop that slide.
They were particularly alarmed by the continuing success of the sexual revolution, as symbolized
by Roe v. Wade and the increasing availability of birth control.
Statistics tend to back up the claims that traditional family values were in decline
in the 1970s. Like, the number of divorces soared to over one million in 1975 exceeding
the number of first time marriages. The birthrate declined with women bearing 1.7 children during
their lifetimes by 1976, less than half the figure in 1957. Now, of course, many people
would argue that the decline of these traditional values allowed more freedom for women and
for a lot of terrible marriages to end, but that’s neither here nor there.
Some conservatives also complained about the passage in 1972 of Title IX, which banned
gender discrimination in higher education, but many more expressed concern about the
increasing number of women in the workforce. Like, by 1980 40% of women with young children
had been in the workforce, up from 20% in 1960.
The backlash against increased opportunity for women is most obviously seen in the defeat
of the Equal Rights Amendment in 1974, although it passed Congress easily in 1972. Opponents
of the ERA, which rather innocuously declared that equality of rights under the law could
not be abridged on account of sex, argued that the ERA would let men off the hook for
providing for their wives and children, and that working women would lead to the further
breakdown of the family. Again, all the ERA stated was that women and men would have equal
rights under the laws of the United States. But, anyway, some anti-ERA supporters, like
Phyllis Schlafly claimed that free enterprise was the greatest liberator of women because
the purchase of new labor saving devices would offer them genuine freedom in their traditional
roles of wife and mother. Essentially, the vacuum cleaner shall make you free. And those
arguments were persuasive to enough people that the ERA was not ratified in the required
¾ of the United States. Thanks, ThoughtBubble. Sorry if I let my personal
feelings get in the way on that one. Anyway, Nixon didn’t have much to do with the continuing
sexual revolution; it would have continued without him because, you know, skoodilypooping
is popular. But, he was successfully reelected in 1972,
partly because his opponent was the democratic Barry Goldwater, George McGovern.
McGovern only carried one state and it wasn’t even his home state. It was Massachusetts.
Of course. But even though they couldn’t possibly lose,
Nixon’s campaign decided to cheat. In June of 1972, people from Nixon’s campaign broke
into McGovern’s campaign office, possibly to plant bugs. No, Stan, not those kinds of
bugs. Yes. Those. Now, we don’t know if Nixon actually knew
about the activities of the former employees of the amazingly acronym-ed CREEP, that is
the Committee for the Reelection of the President. But this break in at the Watergate hotel eventually
led to Nixon being the first and so far only American president to resign.
What we do know is this: Nixon was really paranoid about his opponents, even the ones
who appealed to 12% of American voters, especially after Daniel Ellsberg leaked the Pentagon
Papers to the New York Times in 1971. So, he drew up an enemies list and created
a special investigative unit called the plumbers whose job was to fix toilets. No, it was to
stop leaks. That makes more sense. I’m sorry, Stan, it’s just by then the
toilets in the White House were over 100 years old, I figured they might need some fixing,
but apparently no. Leaking. Nixon also taped all of the conversations
in the Oval Office and these tapes caused a minor constitutional crisis.
So, during the congressional investigation of Watergate, it became known that these tapes
existed, so the special prosecutor demanded copies.
Nixon refused, claiming executive privilege, and the case went all the way to the Supreme
Court, which ruled in U.S. v. Nixon that he had to turn them over. And this is important
because it means that the president is not above the law.
So, what ultimately doomed Nixon was not the break in itself, but the revelations that
he covered it up by authorizing hush money payments to keep the burglars silent and also
instructing the FBI not to investigate the crime.
In August of 1974, the House Judiciary Committee recommended that articles of impeachment be
drawn up against Nixon for conspiracy and obstruction of justice. But the real crime,
ultimately, was abuse of power, and there’s really no question about whether he was guilty
of that. So, Nixon resigned. Aw man, I was thinking I was going to get
away without a Mystery Document today. The rules here are simple.
I guess the author of the Mystery Document, and lately I’m never wrong.
Alright. Today I am an inquisitor. I believe hyperbole
would not be fictional and would not overstate the solemnness that I feel right now. My faith
in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. I am not going to sit here and
be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution.”
Aw. I’m going to get shocked today. Is it Sam Ervin? Aw dang it! Gah!
Apparently it was African American congresswoman from Texas, Barbara Jordan. Stan, that is
much too hard. I think you were getting tired of me not being
shocked, Stan, because it’s pretty strange to end an episode on conservatism with a quote
from Barbara Jordan, whose election to Congress has to be seen as a huge victory for liberalism.
But I guess it is symbolic of the very things that many conservatives found unsettling in
the 1970s, including political and economic success for African Americans and women, and
the legislation that helped the marginalized. I know that sounds very judgmental, but on
the other hand, the federal government had become a huge part of every American’s life,
maybe too huge. And certainly conservatives weren’t wrong
when they said that the founding fathers of the U.S. would hardly recognize the nation
that we had become by the 1970s. In fact, Watergate was followed by a Senate
investigation by the Church Committee, which revealed that Nixon was hardly the first president
to abuse his power. The government had spied on Americans throughout
the Cold War and tried to disrupt the Civil Rights movement. And the Church Commission,
Watergate, the Pentagon Papers, Vietnam all of these things revealed a government that
truly was out of control and this undermined a fundamental liberal belief that government
is a good institution that is supposed to solve problems and promote freedom.
And for many Conservatives these scandals sent a clear signal that government couldn’t
promote freedom and couldn’t solve problems and that the liberal government of the New
Deal and the Great Society had to be stopped. Thanks for watching, I’ll see you next week.
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World’s Most Dangerous Cities: Port Moresby (PNG) BBC Stories


This scene’s a little bit tense. Tell me a bit about this man. He was punching me with his fist
and he broke my ears. The green house, we’ll go in. How many times do you
think he raped you? Almost all my life. What type of people do you
usually target? Go! INDISTINCT I’d arrived in Port Moresby, the capital of Papua New Guinea, 100
miles off Australia’s northern tip. This place is regularly voted the
worst place in the world to live. With one of the highest rape and
sexual violence rates in the world, perpetrators are rarely prosecuted. But some victims are taking a stand. Leah, can we go? HE SPEAKS OWN LANGUAGE Leah has taken action to put a
restraining order against her
husband. He’s basically been abusing her
for seven or so years. Hopefully, this is the end for you. Yeah, to end violence. Tell me a bit about this man. Two weeks before I went
into my labour, he beat me at my workplace. How badly? I had black eyes. He was punching me with his fist and
it broke my ears. I had bleed…er, with my eyes there
was a blood clot formed on this side of my eye. Now it’s time to show him that this
is not OK, and today is the day. I don’t want my children to grow
in this violent life. I’ve got to end the violence now. And I’ve got to tell my son and
daughter that violence against women is not acceptable. The green house, we’ll go in.
That’s the uncle’s house. Does he know we’re coming? It’s going to be a surprise. There’s a lot of his family around
here, and I’m guessing they’re not going to be very happy, so I don’t
know where this is going to go. That’s his mum? Yeah. Hello, come. Leah’s husband isn’t at home. But his mother can legally sign the
restraining order on his behalf. It must be very difficult to have
to do this. Yes, it is. But I’ve
got to do it. I… Yeah. Well done.
Well done for being strong. I have tears in my eyes. It shows you how difficult it is to
do something like this. You know, this is this lady’s
family. She’s got kids with this guy. And you have to basically go up
against people you’ve known for
years. What do you think of her bringing
the police here? As a female, I think it’s good. It’s good that she’s…?
Yeah, it’s good. The majority of the men,
they have this mentality where they think women must be just right
underneath their feet. Like Leah, two out of three women
here will suffer abuse or violence in
their lifetime. How big is the problem? How many cases have you
seen this year? From January to May,
we had about 6,000. And those cases are the ones
that are reported. And…and unreported, try and
imagine. Why are so many women being abused? How can I put it?
It’s a normal thing. To any man in Papua New Guinea,
it’s a normal. To hit your girlfriend, your
partner, your girlfriend, your wife? Yes. I’ve been told that some of the
worst perpetrators are the
Raskols here. That’s the local name for
criminals or gangs. And I’ve been told that quite often,
they use rape as gang initiation for new members. They’ve agreed to meet me,
hopefully. There’s about seven guys there,
all considerably larger than me. Let’s meet the Raskols. These are the leaders of
the 13 Casino Raskol gang. They’re notorious for
robbing and raping, and amazingly, they don’t care about
showing their faces on camera. So is this where we’re…we’re
speaking inside? Yes, yes. OK. This is the way. We’re going to
wait there. To win their trust,
I have to try betel nut, a psychoactive drug used all over
Papua New Guinea. Chew the whole thing? Yeah. It doesn’t necessarily taste very
nice. As you chew, you just spit it out.
Oh, it’s red. It’s red. I’ve just got to say, I am most
definitely feeling different. Sweating quite a lot.Yes.Yes.Yes. What is that? It’s um…yeah, yeah,
yeah. It’s quite… First time. How long does it usually last for? That is the cutest gun pouch
I’ve ever seen. That is very small. So is this literally, just a…it’s
a piece of pipe? Yes. It’s just a
piece of pipe. Has everyone here taken a life? With the betel nut coursing
through me, I was feeling brave enough to ask some tricky questions. I heard that some gangs in
Papua New Guinea, as an initiation thing, you… Some young men have to have sex
with a woman, kind of, like, rape a woman.
Have you heard of this?Yeah, yeah.How normal is that? Yes. Is that necessary?
Do you have to do that? It’s quite hard to get my
head around. I’ve been told that in
Papua New Guinea it’s reasonably common to
occasionally belt your wife to make
sure she’s… Have you belted your wife before? What is a belting? Like punch? Have you actually shot her
in the leg? Really? I mean, do you, do you, do you love
your wives? You mustn’t love her. If you kind of love your wife,
why would you belt her? Do you feel like you’re bad people? Carjacking is their biggest
money-maker. What type of people do you
usually target? Hello. I’m Ben. Very nice
to meet you. Are you the victim today?
Are you the car driver? Yeah. All right. Fantastic.
Are you excited? I’ll try! All right. Shall we…? I’ll follow you guys, follow
your lead. So they’re demonstrating to me
how they rob women, who they consider very easy
targets, of their cars. We have a gunman, we have a machete
wielder and then we have a driver. I mean, it’s all fun and games now, but it’s absolutely terrifying
if you’re involved in something like this, and it could end up with
you losing your life very easily. Is this the car?Yes.
The car’s coming. That’s the car. Go, go, go, go, go! Come on, out, out!Shock!That is quite… OK, I’m really shocked. Are you OK? It’s really shocking, honestly.
It’s really shocking. Quite scared?
Yeah, it’s really, like, real. They said that they target women,
like, exclusively. Have you had something like
this happen to you? Yeah. Yeah, I did,
before, once when I was driving. Is it scary being a lady in
Papua New Guinea, cos things like this happen?
Yes. Yes, it is. That was pretty terrifying.
Yeah, yeah, that was so fast. Yeah. When we get a
vehicle, we don’t waste time. Come here, Alex. Come here, Alex. Yeah, I mean, that was quite
the experience. You know, it’s all about being
strong, being in control. If your wife doesn’t listen to you,
you punch her in the face, otherwise you’re not a man,
and that is depressing. In the face of so much
male violence, it felt like women in Port Moresby
were constantly under threat. But there is help. Safe houses have
been set up around the city, where women can seek refuge
from abuse. I was meeting Susan. She’s been staying at this safe
house for the last two months. Does it make you sad, so many
women go through the same thing? Yeah, so many. Most all of the
Papua New Guinea women. You honestly think it’s
nearly all women? Yeah, because most of them,
you know, just staying there. They don’t come out,
they just stay there. How long was he abusive for? Er, we’ve been married since 2000 and then, all these years through
to 2018, he’s been abusing me. What exactly was he doing to you? He just cut my hand, see here. Really? Yeah. 35 stitch. So he slashed it? Yeah. One time he chased me, and I ran.
I jump off the window. This leg has been broken,
this one came at the back, and the heel went through the front. Like it’s turning around,
full revolution. How many times do you
think he raped you? Almost all my life. Almost all my life.
Since we’ve got married. Did his family ever say
anything to him, to stop him? No, they are afraid of him. Everyone’s afraid of him. If they want to say something,
he would just get up and say, “Shut up, don’t talk!
That’s my property!” He’d actually say,
“That’s my property,” about you?
Yeah, as if he owns it, yeah. He sounds like a devil. Yeah. And it seems that one of the
problems is that it’s culture, because people use it as an excuse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you’re
talking about culture and customs, most of the women are
hurting themself. Like they are in a cage, you see.
There’s nobody to help them out. What are you planning to do
now that you’re at the safe house? Going back to my village.
Stay with my parents. Find a decent job,
look after my kids and just live a normal life
like everybody. A free life, free from violence,
and abuse and all these things. I really hope…
Yeah, I really hope that you get it. I hope so. This is one of our clients.
She is 69 years old. Very nice to meet you. Yeah, so she’s Marissa. Because she’s 69 years old –
safe house, we don’t keep women over that age.
It’s not a nursing home. It’s not an old people’s home.
So we can’t keep her. And so I’ve explained all of that
to her, Marissa, so she’s leaving today. She had her son-in-law.
Her son-in-law was really violent, just physically abusing her. Beating her up, so…yeah. Do you know why?
Why was he doing it? He wanted to have sex with you?
Yeah. Not only having sex with her – he’s abusing her every day,
belting her up, yeah. Are you scared? Is he looking for you now? Yeah. Were you saying that
he was abusive not just to you but to other members of the family? And he was abusive to everyone? Thank you so much for talking to us.
Really helpful. They’re taking her to
a safe place today. All right. Yeah, I don’t really know how to
react to this. It feels like they’re kind of
sending this old woman to her death. She’s terrified of this guy,
who’s not only been torturing her, but he’s been torturing the rest
of her family, as well. And here lies the problem, is that
these safe houses can protect women for so long, but there is
always a point that they are going to have to go back and in this case,
she is literally going back to hell. It was only five years ago that
Papua New Guinea passed the Family Protection Act,
making family violence a crime, punishable by up to two years in
prison or a fine of US2,000. It’s given hope to women like Janet. Her husband allegedly beat her three
days ago, giving her a black eye, so she fled her home. Hello, nice to meet you. I’m Ben.
I’m Janet.Er, Janet. This is one of our
complainants.
Yeah. Men is always the head of
everything, he makes the decisions, he takes,
you know… He’s in control of the economy of the family, and
everything else. So he decides for the family. So this is the culture that we have
in Papua New Guinea. It’s very strong. It’s been inherited from generation
to generation to generation. Quite shocking, you know,
isn’t it? It says, “My husband was punching my head so
many times.” How often was he doing this? It’s been four years now. Every day, we never rest. Hearing the police were after him,
Janet’s husband arrives. So this guy behind me
is Janet’s husband. He’s turned up to the
police station. I was speaking with Janet,
and she was saying you’ve been quite physical to her.
Violent. Because she has a black eye. When you say attitude problem, do you just mean she doesn’t do
entirely what you want her to do? Er…yeah. That’s how you treat, like, a dog,
if you’re a bad owner. She’s, like, a human being,
isn’t she, you know what I mean? Cos maybe she doesn’t want do what
you say. That’s what I don’t get. I understand you’re a man.Yeah.
Does it really matter? OK. I’m giving him an
opportunity to talk. What are you angriest about? INDISTINCT No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no! I didn’t assault her. Janet’s husband is charged with
domestic violence and is facing a weekend in the city jail,
until he can make bail on Monday. The horrible thing is that Janet
still has kids with this guy. He’s going to have to be in her
life to some degree. That’s clearly what she’s worried
about, and I can understand it. He is potentially going to
face justice, but a lot of the damage is
already done. She’s already been beaten up.
Her kids have already saw it. And it’s just sad that there
are so many people like this in
Papua New Guinea. Janet later dropped all charges,
when she was reunited with her kids. My time in Port Moresby was coming
to an end, but I still didn’t fully understand how so many men
could treat women like this. My final stop was the biggest jail
in the country – Bomana Prison, on the outskirts of the city. I feel like they’ve let us in to the
most beautiful prison in PNG. It’s pretty well kept. Well, that’s nice! I’m not going to lie – this is not
what I expected when I thought of a prison in Port Moresby. It looks
like a summer camp as opposed to a correctional facility. Very nice to meet you.My name is
John.
My name is Benjamin. This is the minimum security and
most presentable side of the prison where juveniles are held. I arrive during the weekly
yoga class, aimed at teaching the
inmates new skills. Where does the yoga take place? Is
those guys…? Over there. That’s a lot of people, isn’t it? As most of them are under 18, we weren’t allowed to show their
faces on camera, but I wanted to know what they were
in for. So you’ve got sodomy, suspected
of rape, suspected of rape, suspected of rape. That’s right. Murder. Rape. Stealing. Murder.
Stealing. Rape. Rape. Penetration. Marijuana. Rape. Wow, that’s quite a lot of people,
isn’t it? Yep. Do you know the ages of the people
convicted of rape? Oh, yes. How old are they? 13? 13, yes. That’s so depressing. How long can you actually get in
jail for raping somebody? Two years? OK.Two years.
That’s really short, isn’t it? If you’re wondering how common
rape is here, out of the 27 juveniles that they’ve got in
this correctional facility, 12 of them are being accused of some
form of rape and the youngest one is
13 years old. And that is just insane. It seemed like the culture of abuse
and violence against women was getting handed down from
generation to generation. On the other side of the prison was
the maximum security section. The guards had an inmate they
wanted me to meet. I imagine it’s going to be a not
very nice conversation. How you doing? I’m Ben. This is Ruben, and he’s been
sentenced to 12 years in jail. Can you tell me are you here for? So she was ten. How old were you? That is definitely rape, isn’t it? You know, she can’t consent if she’s
ten years old. Yeah. It… Yeah. You are a rapist. What do you think rape is? Um, I mean, it is rape, because
she’s 10. You’re 40 years old. She’s a child, you’re an adult. She doesn’t even know what
she’s doing. You’ve done something very wrong. You’ve probably ruined a
ten-year-old girl’s life. I’ve been here for a few days
at this point, and I am massively overwhelmed. Pretty much every single woman I’ve
spoken to has got a story of being beaten or raped. I’ve spoken to so many men who think
that raping women is OK, beating women is OK, and this just
takes it to another level. It just seems that there needs
to be education on what is acceptable and how to treat women. And more people like that need to be
sent down for a very long time.

Forest Governance: Gender Equity in Forest and Land-use Policymaking



okay welcome so my name's penny Davis I work with the Ford Foundation and the Ford Foundation is a private philanthropy and we're concerned about the issues which we feel are invisible marginalized as well as the communities and the peoples that do not have usually or voice in policy processes so I'm very happy to be here I did a head count before lunch and was very pleased to see that they were about ah there was an audience of 150 and in that audience there were about 40 women so I'm happy to see that I thought actually maybe it would drop to half I think we're still you know almost a hundred probably more women than men and the reason I say this is I was invited to chair a gender session at a meeting in San Jose outside San Francisco and I went into it and we all sat down there had been a previous session and half the room got out and left only women in the audience and we all sort of sat there felt really embarrassed so good on you guys who've stayed and of course we're hugely critical of Chatham House that they put this as the last and not the first session why and of course I will be welcoming our three plus four presenters fourth colleague is remote in Peru but we did have a question just as there is as I'm sure you aware a lot of men who've taken the pledge not to sit on all-male panels some of us as women would also be asking why we're sitting on an all-woman panel although of course we realized why I have been told to tell you that there are evaluation forms in English and Spanish that you are filling out or will be asked to fill out but what some of you don't realize and colleagues who have don't realize is that there will be a lottery and a draw and someone will win a fantastic very luxury Fortnum and Mason is a very luxury British company a luxury hamper with some surprising things inside for you to take back to your home and if you leave but your evaluation form is called and you are the your evaluation form wins the prize but you are not present bad luck someone else will get the prize okay so the aim of this session is about gender equity in forests and land use policy making and in particular we want to focus on the indigenous peoples and local communities the women from those communities that manage and use and owned more than half the world's lands their communities owned more than half the world's lands they have customary management over more than half the world's lands and many of those communities increasingly as men migrate out etc women play an increasing role and there's increasing feminization of the management and the decision-making around those resources and 80% of the world's foods I've been told is actually produced by women and communities are producing about a quarter of the world are protecting about a quarter of the world's tropical forests carbon and amongst those communities many of them are women so basically women are on the frontlines of Environment and land-use policy as well as the conflicts around those resources and so we're interested about how women are participating in decision-making processes in policymaking processes and what does that mean the flag tea world does it make a difference if you have women participating in the formation of rules and norms and in their implementation and to have some concrete examples of that and we had a bit of a joke about you know is this a special woman session like you know where when you you know I used to work down at community level and you go to the community and then to find the women you would have to go off to the river if you really wanted a conversation with women you'll go off to the river because that's where all the women at doing the laundry so this is not a laundry making forum you know this is a formal space it is Chatham House and we are concerned about in this session how is it that women and in particular young women diverse women from different backgrounds are participating in formal decision-making processes and are they being empowered through the flag tea process and our donors in the room like Dafydd are they actively and being proactive in promoting that and we as me as the next government official in our own government systems are we actively promoting that in whatever we do so I would like to welcome the first presenter here this is Claire beer song she's French she's director of the coalition and networks program of the international rights and resources initiative and before joining rri the rights and resources in it initiative she worked at the Academic Council on the UN system at the Stimson Center and she's a specialist in international relations and political science Thank You Claire if you later on by the way it's going to be channel zero if you need translation to Spanish or in the future to English Thank You penny so just to say a few words about our I wear a glue global coalition dedicated to advance the forests and resource rights of indigenous people in local communities and we're known for doing a lot of analysis tenure and land distribution and we were also looking at women's right so that's what brings me today and I'll focus on be enabling conditions to strengthen indigenous and community women's governance rights so as penny mentioned there's still up to 2.5 billion people that use and relies on the words community all territories which cover 50% of the world's land and more than half of them are women so there is now broad evidence showing that indigenous and community and women play a unique role in combating rural poverty maintaining community livelihoods and strengthening climate change mitigation and adaptation action legal recognition of their tenure rights is associated with positive economic and food security health and education outcomes for women their families and this is crucial for the realization of the sustainable development goals however they are often left locked out of decision-making processes in their communities which has a negative impact on their livelihood their family and their communities so what makes us say that is that we released in 2017 an analysis called power and potential and in that one we examine if and our national laws recognize the rights of indigenous and community women to community forests in 30 low and middle-income countries across Asia Africa and Latin America and the 30 countries represent 80% of the forests in the global South all the countries that we looked at ratified cedar the Convention on the elimination of all forms of discrimination against women and yet what we found was that none met the minimum standards established in the treaty so mass law failed to adequately acknowledge and protects the membership avoiding leadership inheritance and dispute resolution rights of indigenous and community women we found that the rights to women's participation in community level governance which are voting and leadership well least frequently protected so what we did was looked at the AG community based tenure regimes which refer to national laws and regulation governing although situation under which the right to use and manage terrestrial Natural Resources is held at the community level and of those eighty legal frameworks we found that only 3% adequately protected women's community level voting rights so what adequate means that it required that a quorum of women be present in order for a General Assembly to vote and also of those eighty only five adequately protected women's community level leadership rights by requiring both a minimum quota of women to all seats in the community in in the community executive body and a quorum of exactly of women executive members to be present for the assembly to to vote so this is particularly worrisome because it shows that women cannot meaningfully participate in community level governance parties making major decision about community forests that may have an impact on the status of those community territories for generations to come because this is within those bodies that are voted any private land acquisition or learning resource agreements cetera so without secured government's rights their priorities their unique learning knowledge and rights to free prior and informed consents is unlikely to be respected so that's very important for us to know because you can apply due diligence in those conditions so importantly also the analysis found that legal advanced advanced menteur communities and women are positively associated so legal framework frameworks that him to recognize community ownership of forests or community based rights providing stronger legal protection for women's forest rights when compared to laws that were passed to further conservation of land and natural resources or to regulate the use or exploitation of land and natural resources so it is critical to improve the situation as a result of male at migration to see these conflict external stressed communities women are increasingly the managers of their households and as such of the community of the collectively home land held lands and forests but their communities rely on their voice each account so what can we do what can be done well there's inspiring initiatives that are taking place all over the world and we are Norma yesterday from Honduras and we'll hear today from my fellow panelists here and we we just recently published a brief that aggregates learning from 18 organizations from 10 countries and identify contributing factors and relying successful initiatives that strengthened women governance rights regarding community lands so those can be applied to different geographies and political landscapes so while I'm going through those quickly I'm gonna encourage all of you to reflect on the approach approach is that you're using in your work and now you could provide rather supports for the advancements of forests governance rights for both women and their communities so those contributing factors go under streaming buckets the first one is to maintain a community-wide focus so the successful projects that we looked at relied on inclusive collaborative processes involving the entire community so both men and women they also gained support and engaged community leaders as they are often viewed at the authority on customary law they're also developed alongside communities to ensure that they are culturally appropriate so what best practices have been to have facilitating community meetings that are conducted in the local language and also done by trained community members that's key to earn the trust and respect from other community members it's also important to allow enough time to transform patriarchal attitudes towards gender roles and for normative change to take place so if we look at some initiatives that were really looking at the local level taking a year or two is common so one example of that was when the work done by Ana mati and the community self-reliance centers that took two years and over hate hundred meetings to review and document customary bylaws it was in one municipal municipality in Nepal but they also issued new bylaw strengthening women's land governance rights in the process and of course if we took efforts and initiative that we're at the national level it can take decades the second bucket is to use information and learning to further empower women and their communities the first point is that is to make visible the positive impact of women's work to their communities during documentation then dissemination through awareness-raising campaigns and informational workshop and we'll hear from Melania in an app that will talk about that and demonstrate community-wide advantages of securing their government governance rights so for example in Uganda they should they conducted a community mapping exercise so which men realized that women knew of a very variety of resources they were less aware of it's also important to leverage the information that was gathered to empower women as leaders and decision-makers and the last point is to establish strategic networks and alliances at all levels by not only supporting exchanges in connection between women because it's important also to have some pieces of activities that only engage women to create that safe space and also to have kind of mentoring programs so they can train other women and it has a long lasting effect and also it is key to build relationship with external actors so multi-stakeholder dialogues was at the national level and then with international actors so to conclude we in the development community have a key role to play by promoting the enabling conditions in the projects that we either support or fund and by fostering a solutions based culture of information sharing and transparent reflection concerning indigenous and community women's 10 your rights this will be essential to replicate successful initiatives in other contexts and your teammate really secure community lands at scale so we really welcome opportunities like this to talk about best practices and share positive examples and of course men from all of you so I'm very grateful to be here thank you [Applause] that's food for thought so I'd like to welcome Doreen assuming yeah ba from Ghana she is the coordinator of the national forestry forum of Ghana she's an expert advocacy expert at crop and bas in Ghana and she's been involved in community rights activism and research and a trainer for some years afternoon and thank you very much for giving me this opportunity to share with the rest of the world what we are doing in Ghana with respect to mainstreaming agenda into the VPI process implementation I will start by saying that we have a constitution in Ghana which mandates all citizens to safeguard the environment and the same Constitution prohibits discrimination against gender for discrimination based on gender and so Ghana has been part of the global discussion on gender and has therefore been a signatory and parts of the conventions on gender and just to mention a few of them we can talk about the Sadao that is the UN Convention for elimination of all forms of discrimination against women will be in parts of the UN Convention on Environment and development Convention on Biological Diversity does the CBD UN convention of women in developments and thus adopts new protocol which is the recent one in 1999 and based on the scanner at the local level established a ministry for women and children survey and subsequently this ministry came up with a gender policy to champion the affairs of women and children and so since 2004 that is gender policy came in sabine gender has been a priority in all programs plans and projects implementation in the country won't talk about gender is not just about women it's about the roles and responsibilities of both men and women in the society that we find ourselves and so based on this definite we believe the vpa flex process in Ghana is gender blind or gender neutral in the sense that there is no mention of gender in the projects documents aside that and so just a couple of weeks ago the MSA which is the advisory technical wing in charge of the VP implementation and Ghana had no female on board then when we talk about the technical stuff of that CVD like that symbol validation Department which is the units within the first Commission in charge of VP implementation there was no female staff and again within the same units we have in China or the test inside of monitoring their process thus also had no female member on board and so we all know that females have a key role to play when it comes to forest management and looking at the Convention on Biological Diversity it states clearly that women have a role in the management and preservation of our forest resources so we believe that when the discussions is just tilted towards Mills there is a missing link because the perspective of women are not brought on the discussion and this is a gap that was identified and so based on this gap there was an intervention by clients as and partners in Ghana to address the Challenger has been addressed bus has been identified within the VP implementation forces so what has been done is that stakeholders in the country are being there capacities are being strengthened so when ensured agenda has been mainstreamed in the process that we are already implementing and specifically there is a training session for women who are active in the freshest sector and these women are drawn from the first Commission from civil societies and NGOs from the media as well as industry so that they will identify their roles in the VP a process to allow them implements better and be part of the process again there is this general session that has been introduced within the liga working good session yesterday clemens mentioned the legal working group and it was a mission of civil societies within the natural resource space in ghana so we meet periodically to be equipped with skills to be able to identify the nigga issues around match our resources and address it appropriately so this group also has a legal session the husband integrated in switch to address the legal issues around gender in the states of our developmental process I said that there is a gender support facility that has been introduced and those facilities to enable women who I Nestle or maternity was to participate in meetings because we believe that when a woman puts to bed her biological role shouldn't prevented from participating in meetings so this project sector of a nanny who comes together to the meeting with the mother to take care of the baby walls destination mother is actively participating in the meeting and so far dynamic remarkable achievement from their projects and thus included interest among the civil society organizations who are part of the legal working group meetings about gender issues and so now we have gender disaggregated data so that whilst we are implementing our programs projects and activities we are good to find out how many women were there that is representation and based on the representations we find out if they are adequately participating if not what are the challenges that is hampering their participation then these are challenges are addressed appropriately apart from that there was a resolution at one of the Liga Joaquin would made sense that based on the understanding of gender and what gender brings on board if there is any position to be occupied by society gender considerations are to be made and I'm proud to say that because of this resolution the civil society representative of the cocoa forest initiative in Ghana is a female in the person of my soft standing here aside that this gender facility has also supported a number of women to participate who previously would have been staying at home taking care of their babies but because of this support they can't come from the god Kingu made sense their babies are comfortably sleeping or resting with Yun – while this sits in their meetings taking care of all the issues that we need to take care of at the natural resource level to conclude I would say that women have a very important role to play in natural resource management but this rules can not be adequately as acute said if they are not brought on board there is therefore the need for gender representation participation as well as inclusion of the views that we bring on board the VIP here in Ghana has started well and we need to tweak in a lots of men gender mainstreaming to make it the best for others to take a cue from because we know that the VP in Ghana which seems to promote sustainable forest management improve livelihood equity and enhance good governance has direct relations with some of the SDGs talk about SDG one two three five and 15 but this cannot be achieved when women are not brought on board so what we are saying is that in your program in your plans in your projects mainstream gender in suet and with the women on board will justify I inclusion thank you very much [Applause] they're very nice I was always to remember when I used to work in British governments the joke was once you mainstreamed gender you know the whole thing disappears and no wonder and it doesn't make a difference so I'm happy to see that mainstreaming in this case is actually a very proactive and very specific process in Ghana wonderful so I now welcome Loretta pokai who is from Liberia she is the program director at the foundation for community initiatives in Liberia and she's also the national president and the West Africa regional vice president for the young women network of ECOWAS that's the Economic Community of West African states thank you and I'm Homo to present my article on lands power how their rights can enfranchise like their women so I did this article this year and it was published on March 8 International Women's Day and as we all know International Women's Day is a day set aside where we may come together to talk on achievements and challenges overcome so in 2018 our president George Maney we are passed the newly rights act that gives supports to women's rights so our going to say a little bit about my institution and how we've been working to promote women's rights around forests and land so the foundation for community initiatives was established in 2004 and our key interest is to integrate women's leadership in community driven initiatives around forests LM the leverage act is the most progressive landlord in Liberia that supports women's land rights unlike before the passage of the lyrics Act we had a women inheritance law that supports on a Myra women and know very well that just the two percent of women in Liberia who not only because they were unmarried women and looking at the UNDP report like we were stand or when the woman where is the safe country over one sister when it comes to general equality so in practice this means that on Myra women who represents as the two percent of Liberia women Kuni Elaine or have their own houses and often they were afraid to ask squatters within a foreign land this women are often on pay laborers within their families having to turn on a lane and take care of relatives at the same time yet they can't own land or make decisions of those veralyn that distain honor so with the passage of this act women are defined as part of their community able to participate in land governance decisions and management bodies and all women whether you married or not you can only privately jointly and collectively so 73% looking at some of the challenges 72% of Liberia women are illiterate so it's a huge challenge that we need to work around and we need to simplify most of these laws so that women themselves can understand which is causing stigma and it prevent them from being a community leader because they are illiterate so the profession of the law says that article 5 specifically speaks to ensuring community land management of customary rights with equal representation of milk female and youth and we make an Olin single jointly and collectively so as a way of confidence-building looking at the picture displayed I work with rural communities in conducting trainings conducting dialogues to build the self-esteem of women to come up to speak because the Lord supports you it's one thing of crafting the law the challenge around that is the implementation so in order for women to participate they have to be aware of the information so at my institution I conduct dialogue I talk with women and I educate women on the different laws thank you [Applause] simplification and communication very good so now I'm hoping that Melania is speaking to us from Peru she's online so bien Bonita welcome AHA we can see you for they were barely present I real English entonces in Tafoya indycar cuando Devon Arrancar ok ok your headsets channel 0 so Melania canal is Palmer from Peru speaking from Peru she is president of the national organizations of Andean and Amazonian women in Peru onami up she is a leader of the Quechua peoples indigenous peoples originally from the Lokanath community and district in Yakutia region she's been involved in community activism since a young woman and between for about in 2011 she was also mayor of Luke honest entonces bienvenido own audience here de mas o menos una CN personas ecj adelante y cuando llegó she passes Diez minutos yo La Hoya indycar conv Salta see guarantee hello everyone good morning I think I'll say catch HIV Nutella coconut when we greet people in my native language indigenous women's network our individual and collective rights as indigenous women it hasn't been an easy task faced a lot of opposition from organizations even from the state itself we have continued to work I would write these process several with regards to dissipation participation when it comes to decision making one inward towards escape inward among our own indigenous communities organizations mixed organizations we have things he said modifying the statutes the national statute for us indigenous women's to have a voice in our own communities in the region of the end is considered since you're not considered equal they no can no they don't have a voice they cannot actively take part in the management of the land and the territory we have been working within our own communities to modify to include at least 30 percent requirement for inclusion at the gender ratio management this hasn't been easy community having been willing to go to push for this amendment and they have even told us well how do you dare come here to try to change the way in which we do live our lives and we listen we as part of a community in the communities we have ancestral patriarchy with this colonial touch became even more of a discrimination towards women especially indigenous women we have worked a community level but also pushing for the amendment indigenous or peasant communities where we have achieved a challenge or what we asked for now all we're waiting for the signature of the President of the Republic because it has been approved in Parliament an important achievement for us indigenous women in this way we have also participated actively and when it comes to register of rural lungs and it's on the third phase but we have tried to do these two procedures to get information do you have a presentation that on the screen no no I haven't got a presentation because the thing is we can see you but I don't know if you would like to make sure as well the PowerPoint presentation or some data I'll try to share this with you here we go entonces we finish women organized Espada on a map we have been active participation gathering in this case of the collaboration from the Ministry of Agriculture integrate they can mainstream gender in their procedures we made the provision of titles plan titles in conflict resolution no simi enters the lack of recognition from the state we have also participated in the National Coalition for climate change national guidelines I believe this is another space we have been able to work in an active manner for the safeguards in implementation of reckless consultation prior consultation because issue of climate change specifically indigenous peoples territories lost of by the the state often its own alliances we taken care of taking care of the mortgage to increase the visibility especially of these proposals when well-being advances right I'm not sure maybe I'm talking too fast or for too long enough it'll anything it's it's sometimes what I want to say women we still have a lot of work today part of this working towards our communities but then also work outward towards the state in our communities women we also suffer discrimination we are also ignored we have been working to increase our visibility inward because sometimes the state doesn't want us first doesn't want first to have any visibility I'm in expertise we're very discriminated against ill see any media still seen there's no rules or regulations that support women though and in this regard we're still working and being organized as part of an amiable many thanks Melania it was very interesting we've heard something about work inside and outside and also the importance of prior consultation welcome to you all Tanya Melania and Peru Loretta Doreen and Claire so before we open the discussion to all of you I have some oh okay great yes some some some sort of questions cuz and my question to you so I'll start with with Claire you talked about this very low number very few of the laws regulations linked to land and forests actually protect women's international rights to vote to lead within local up to national level in in in in local level as well as national level governance bodies and I just wondered whether you had any concrete examples of where by changing things that local level you actually also increase women's democratic participation at national level which then has implicate or or sub-national level in local governments that then has implications for the whole of how forests might be perceived nationally yeah a great example of that is comes from Nepal with fake ofyn which is a Federation of community users and it's it's very large organization in Nepal representing 90,000 members but so they do they advocate for community forests and they did a lot of those so those initiatives to raise awareness and increase women's participation at the local level and also at the national level they they did a campaign that had to change to revise their constitution the constitution of the Kofun and that took 15 years of advocacy and at the end they achieved to get 50% of executive leaders that were women and that really ended this new generation of women in the last local election in 2017 there were 2,000 community members that were supporting by fickle fund that one and out those 2006 hundreds over 600 people women were elected so that's we're getting broader participation of women in local level elections and broader elections just to say I was very shocked when I went to the u.s. to discover how many you know what percentage of women are actually in the US Congress it's not doesn't look good so it's not just you know in even in a very powerful country women's participation is not so good I have a sort of question for you Doreen and in Ghana you talked about how Ghana in the vpa has really may been very proactive and trying to get women in there and the concrete example of having nannies and and and so that women can come with their children and to participate what other barriers do you see at local level for women to be able to be active and do you think it's going to make any difference actually to the regulations if women come in and to the rules which govern the way forests are used and managed how do you see that in sort of concretely in the BPA why should we be worried about this in the BPA process okay thank you very much for that question and like I said women have different roles to play in the VPI process but other community level women are virtually pushed away because the first section gana it seems to be more of a man's world and so it's reserved for the men even in the government sector the former sex away we have Alex educate said women they day numbers are not suing Kuragin for instance mustard some statistic that would fit around 2015 2016 we had 7% of women and the management's level at the first Commission which is a government sector yes and bends our women folk within the Commission I saw was about just a lot of the things and the same trend is seen when you go to the community level and sometimes it's even worse recently I was conducting a research on how women have been involved in community forest monitoring and I realized that these women were not coming on board because of number one education the women are that level are not well educated most of them haven't been to school at all so they think they wouldn't want to come up and embarrass them so on by not knowing what to do so that's push them and without the first thing then the game does social cultural and religious issues you go down there and we're discussing at the South children that has believed that the man is the head of the home and so when the man participates in the mid sanam means then sir house one has been part of the meeting so the woman you stood out home and let me go and listen what is happening then I'll come back and save you forget Santa when the man comes in there he comes as a man and may not be able to bring out a perspective of the human on board so these are some of the things that we are trained to let them know that a lot of the women also to participate and sometimes there III met one lady in a community and said the man wouldn't allow us to come why one day I do stay at home this is a man's field and it's for the men but I believe if we allow them to come home what is way to change things because that's not the few who are on board one man told me particularly madam now that I know it is good to be part of this thing our let's my child go to school there are friend lies because I didn't go to school it was a it was a hindrance to me but I believe she'll be better off if she's in school so educate for the girl child it's one way of getting people involved in the decision-making process right from the community level to the national level and by sowed where they can be assertive they can participate effectively and change the dynamics around the forest sector and when they are informed and better equipped with a skill they can all come on board supports the men who are ready they to money the forest better for us all very interesting I mean I was thinking that I went out to visit a community in Mexico last year and so we stood in the forest and I mean it's quite a quite valuable kind forest there so we were talking about the timber and there were only two women there and I was talking to her about her clothes and asking her and we suddenly discovered and then we discussed it that actually the most valuable product in that forest was not the timber there was lichen on the bark of the trees which was used to die they woolen clothes and that those wooden clothes were more valuable than the timber and what was being exported down to the site to the city right or you know so it has all kinds of implications lack of participation and and I felt bad in that group that I hadn't actually made an effort to say you know stop talking let's have a discussion about what women are getting out of this forest I should have been proactive and more sensitive to the reason why she would she and I were having a side conversation well the main group was having some other conversation which was the important one so that was my you know even as a woman I was not sensitive gender is you so that's very interesting what you're saying Loretta I'm very interested to hear in in Liberia I mean this is obviously quite a complex situation and you know you talk about illiteracy and and that Liberia is quite low down on the gender scorecard and listening to Melania who Danya Melania who talked about the 30% quorum I mean has Liberia put in place any laws which mandate participation of women in assemblies local level government structures or in the forest sector specifically I mean how Howard how do you see that thank you so currently we have a bill the gender parity bill we should stay with our legislators and women are advocating for the passage of that bill and because of the strong patriarchal system that we have men don't want to support that bill that bill is calling for 50/50 participation of women and men into political social and economic activities and even Coverley we also have a bill for political parties not less than thirty or seventy percent on your party should be women so we still have that bill with the National Election Commission and we staged only so that it can become a law okay so when it comes to the forestry sector we have laws we have the national or forestry reform laws and we also have regulations that around the community rights law looking at the regulations the regulation call for inclusive participation but because of the liquor terminology is affecting the participation of women at the community level for example looking at the governess culture the governess culture is called for at least one woman participation so that liquor terminology at least is affecting women's participation so if you look at on the governance culture around community forestry bodies you have found one woman on each of these bodies that is the law say at least one woman not knowing very well that at least can be more than one so and look at some of the roles these when we are playing in these different cultures there are chaplains there are treasures they don't have meaningful participation even though we have to know what the interpretation of those laws are affecting our rural communities that's why we need legal interpretation Coverley also we are working with a client earth in Liberia and also the Heritage Partners associates my institution is working with all them to bring women from around the forestry communities so that we can educate them around the laws the laws are dead but an interpretation of those laws are affecting women's participation so we need our liquor aspects to come an adequate are women even the men on eight application because their men are the one interpreting those laws for the women so if you tell the woman at least one participation okay they will send one participation how are they participating so they are part of the governance culture and so what what are they bringing to the table so wanting the interpretation of the law limits the participation and who are interpreting those laws are men so we are working with our liquor petitioners to explain those laws and give clearly those liquor laws the meaning to increase women's participation in forest and land governance last week I was actually or some of us were in the EITI the extractive industries transparency initiative and there's a big discussion about you know the the revenue transparency and disclosure of data so it's all around open data or in this case improving laws and those laws being open but one thing is how they are understood and how they're interpreted and how they're framed down at citizen level and what citizens and women citizens need to know to be able to participate I think the other thing I was interested is and I I'd like to ask Tonya Melania right entonces for pregnant are in espanol may I'm going to ask these questions unlike in Liberia where the law says at least one woman should take part in the assemblies and the governance meetings and you were talking about these law that has been approved by the Parliament that you should have at least a 30% we know when it comes to implementing this this is an obstacle and that in many parts of Latin America communities and rural communities are very far away from each other and from the center where the communities would meet near the football ground the communal house and many times I have to work for a long long time to take part and I have also seen that in many communities in Latin America only men have mobile phones that sometimes the mobile phones don't work we turned the obstacles in practice stop women from participating examples on how women have been able to implement access to the information and in this way it can raise their voice and to say stop or can be afraid because our rights are more important than anything and I think this has been enough Seocho the Lima information so we know that our our little poll for them they're in her hot sister education many sisters are not able to read or write and even if you know in some communities and we organize workshops really rather than workshops that are linked with the realities so we ask them to draw in so organized James this is something that we've done trying to teach there is another barrier is the world imagine our sister she has to be this is not an easy task ditalion brothers need your support because beyond your help and support now is your responsibility to share the load with housework children this is a responsibility it's been hard work is going to be a long road in this regard to make others understand but we have been working on Mondays this is another carry as well towards a state whether we're talking about local regional to introduce policy agenda the mainstreaming of gender fewer than 3% women in the community organizations so it always tends to be many organizations so we public policies that regulate women's participation and allow us to be more I'm Jeff Odell goona and we'll have four more very very important first to get organized we work with a collective approach rather than an individual level is at a collective level and so with that I think I will open to the floor I mean I'm very interested and we also have donors here as a donor ourselves we actually have we ask all the organizations that we give grants to to consider proactively in their proposals how they're going to promote leadership of women through in fact young women through to old so I think sort of being very proactive given some of the barriers that we have to overcome so I can see my colleague yes so the gentleman over there at the back and then the gentleman is right and then another gentleman and yes so starting here yeah Kevin curry from the climate and land use Alliance a question for Loretta I mean we we often hear people discussing gender and youth as you know kind of one broad category but I'm curious how you see the intersection of those two issues and you know one thing that I've always thought is that the faster we can help accelerate the transition to a kind of next generation of younger leadership the better off we'll be from the perspective of having you know people in positions of power who are more gender sensitive whether that's women or men but I'm curious how you see that how you see the attitudes of the kind of next emerging generation of leaders on gender issues various questions so that's the first question yes next Steve REE and I work with Kevin at Ford Foundation and Kluwer and I'm older than Kevin but I won't take that comment personally Kevin just kidding no but I'm just looking at this sort of description of this session and it says in it that we'll discuss the role of the international community in advancing women's rights so I really appreciated all of your presentations and it would be great to hear from you you know specifically based on your individual experiences how the international community and if you could be specific about you know who in that big giant bucket could actually support your individual efforts and it could be that the international community its bet it's the best for your struggle and for what you're doing for the international community not be involved at all because sometimes they create more problems than anything else so just be good to hear about that okay gentlemen yes that's right and then the lady at the front than the lady at the back hi I'm Chris Chapman from Amnesty International I had a question for Danya Melania I I just wanted to ask a question about the power relationships the gender relationships within indigenous communities I think well for a start the one important thing is to not fall not allow governments to use that as a means of denying indigenous peoples their right to self-determination and sovereignty obviously what what is needed is working with indigenous peoples if those gender imbalances exist to to empower indigenous women within those communities but I had a specific question to Danya Melania if she had specific concrete suggestions for how external actors could help with free prior and informed consent processes because sometimes those those processes as they are as you know the government is meant to being or whichever third party it is is meant to be engaging with the indigenous people's own decision-making structures sometimes those gender power relationships are part of those structures what what can external actors do to try to make sure that women's voices and and other sectors of the community young people older people LGBTI people are able to participate in those free prior and informed consent processes okay thank you I'll be translating that question to Milania because she actually can't hear the translation back so just to be aware if you're asking Melania keep it quite tight and remind me if I translate to her incorrectly so we're taking one and then another and then we'll come back to Thank You pinion I want to thanks and congratulate all the presenter for the quality of the information the rich and diverse experience yet here my question now is to Doreen you do a very great job with CSO at the best basis but I want to know what is done with policymaker to enhance gender mainstreaming envy PA process and one more at the back here yes in the dark room red yeah thank you very much and thank you for the presentations Adam for the Rena and we are all coming from Ghana so I think that when we get back there's a lot of learning that the flick TVPA process can learn from the read process on how we have mainstreamed and incorporates agenda into implementation processes but I've just been thinking and this is something that goes a long way back as I was also involved in gender work some time ago about how we change really the narrative what we don't change by the compliment and narrative in promoting the gender works so if anybody walks in here and sees an all-male panel or if ten people walk in here probably two of them might raise eyebrows but when they see an all-female panel I'm sure that almost all of them might raise eyebrows so my thinking is in the work that you have been doing him to all of you anybody can answer this have you really assess the power of using male Champions to propagate the gender message because it's not really about seeing a woman there all the time and I go back to Penny's situation that she gave she was that a woman but she was not even in her own was sensitive to what it really was that the woman wanted from the forest so I think that we should be able to empower the men to understand why we should have the women in these discussions and we can have a man there who can truly represent the views of the woman even if the woman is not there because I think that there's going to be a long time for us to really see this convergence coming into play and having really that equal representation that we want while we deem that space can we have mill champions who also propagate this message and what are your reflections on this thank you thank you I'm going to give you each the questions I'll remind you what the question is and forgive me I think I will translate each question so Melania can hear them in DOS Estonia Melania Este will translate each question but don't start answering because we'll let the ladies here answer first there was a question to you about next generation and youth so not just young women but also young men really are is it true that by working with youth you might get a new generation that is more gender sensitive Danya Melania estoy diciendo Loretta una pregunta a Loretta era sera que la nueva the question to Loretta was it is it the new generation the new the younger ones whether they're men or women as they are growing and becoming leaders will they be more sensitive when it when it comes to gender issues or not please Jenna you and how we see the next generation we are separating Jenna and youth because we mean and you are the most marginalized group so all of our work that we do focus on women and youth even amongst the youth we are focused on young women and young men so they are unique to our work because they are being marginalized look at the gap there why I got when it comes to youth participation when it comes to women or representation so our walk we promote we work with men what our key interest is for men to promote women's rights because we know men have the information men have the access to the information but women don't have the access to information the youth don't have the access to information so even our work with men we still have our objectives that men will promote the interests of women and then coming from my individual experience on international support and I can see myself on a national sample set it down here are being supported by friend Judy fit and we can also recognize the work of client F working with us as the direct beneficiaries from the communities because we work with the communities we are able to translate the different laws while client EFT walk through civil society so that civil society can be able to work with the communities framework to civil society so that civil society can be able to work with the communities so working with the communities looking at a different gap when it comes to forest governance when it comes to laying governance women are just sitting on a table and so they are sitting on a table and so what we are looking for meaningful participation so in order for women and youth to participate meaningfully they need the information so how do we get an information age2 simplification because you need to take your time so that they will be able to understand the different laws and the benefits it brings so we work with women work with youth who also work with men but working with men our key interest is for men to work before me so that they can support women's when it comes to forest governance and amusing men as our male champions yes we have mil champions in the communities they are there for Katie and pushing for women meaningful participation and they are also working with the different traditional leaders because we know in the communities we have barriers of our traditional leaders that affects women's representation in our community women are set among our traditional leaders to discuss they have the fear that sitting amongst them I know they won't be able to speak the way they should speak so we work with men separately we work with women separately and at the end of the day the two of them would be able to sit together to have the issues discussed together I'm now going to interpret the question to millennia and then I'm gonna go back to the question – dorri millennia there's a question from the gentleman from Amnesty International and the question is is the government or the state using base discrimination within communities discrimination of indigenous men against indigenous women is there a risk that this is used in order to inhibit wider self-determination and Wrekin of summation recognition of Rights efforts the question is do you have specific examples where the right to consent to free previous and informed consent has worked well for indigenous women being primitive into women's rights first of all I'm gonna start with you asking the government itself whether allies comes to religion yes one women to be when it comes to new new generations are more gentle and there is hard work I'm sure it happens they know the country's religious fundamentalism generation religious fundamentalist is conservatively mean that is discriminatory this is what we see in communities affecting no eeprom Oviedo lat promoting equality between the genders I think this is an issue that we should start debating our knowledge way of looking at the world they say no that's the same that's the devil and I think these like they're sort of things we should start debating too I mean I think it's very interesting the rainforest into the Interfaith Initiative has been mobilizing itself to try and have discussions about what it means for forests what what different faith organizations at local as well as international level how they engage with forests and forest peoples and some of the kind of pros and cons of different faith organizations out in some of these remote forest areas before moving to Doreen I just wanted to ask Claire whether you had any comments on the question about F pick you know free prior and informed consent which seems to me at the heart of getting infant you know it's not just about information about information that you get it sufficiently in advance and in the right form and that there's no coercion involved in the way you engage with that information do you have any views on this our research really shows and with what we just heard from from the other panelists is that it's very hard for women because of their low governance rights to fully participate in the decision and be informed because they're not in those governance making bodies and also they're it's even worse than that they're not necessarily recognized as members of their communities so what our research show is that of the ad community-based Anna regimes that we looked at only 29% recognized women as equal members so in that situation they can there's not that there's nothing for me clearly they're not part of the discussions but just to say that they're what we looked at in our study really is what's in the law and that it might be different from what is from actual practices in the community so we do see positive examples in a few but with communities that especially in Asia that that would ask for all adults to to either to consent and to have a consensus base when the law would just require a majority 14 for example so Doreen there was a question yes and then in particular about policy how really are policymakers in the BPA process changing and taking things on board I mean obviously there's male champions use and the international community all right thank you very much our start with the international community most of the projects that we are implementing back at whom talk of the freshest secretary health sector and what have you supported with funds from development Putney's so right now we could talk off defeat support in this process I think I left my last slide out but that was actually an acknowledgement to defeat for supporting the process or the intervention that I spoke and so we have differed supporting some of our interventions we have the EU also supporting some of the projects back in Ghana and we also have interruption was for instance we have them the Dutch Minister of Foreign Affairs also supporting some of our activities and all these activities have been brought down to us and there are international legal framework that had been set for gender mainstreaming and so it is up to us down there who I implement and activities to make sure that whatever template has been given to us is put into action because they would not force you to say put just there or that stay and it's up to you to translate whatever has been given to you and make it fits into the concepts that we are working in and so for instance the projects under the Minister of Foreign Affairs the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs they've also been linking up with other partners and a us who are also in gender focused and so now we are looking are not just gender but youth as well so now the data that we are picking from the floor for meetings and others have special emphasis on gender and youth want to see how many people are participates and who are females and how many who are within the youth brackets and based on that we able to see the trends analyze them and said we have a future at all in terms of whatever pride that we are implements and so that has been catered for in one way or the other then on the issue of policy makers just like the development hotness we have the agenda policy the national agenda Peninsula has been there since 2004 and it was even reviewed in 2015 to incorporate other issues of save gas and so these documents are they but the question is what has fence are we implementing those documents there are policies are just statement of insaints it's up to you too much realize it so if the document is there and you do not put it into action is just sitting there on the cabinet or on your desktop as a soft copy nation you have to set it into motion and such to us the practitioners to really see what is in there and how we commercialize that in our contest so I would say that has been adequately catered for we have to make its way then on the use of meals as champions yes we are doing that and I remember when it was time for the votes and so does coke well Forrest initiating it was actually the men who championed my green day because they understood why there is a need for humans to be up there and they they went out campaigning because their conscience was for a number of people and i dint of it so I was would say it was led by the men because they understand the concept another community level master the research that Amanda taken I asked some of the men what is the added value of having women on the community monitoring committee and I had a couple of them from different communities giving very interesting revelation that I had no even thought of one of them said you know excuse my language please he said you know women are gossips and by that they can spread information very well so when women are able to gather information and understand enough about the Flex implementation process the concern and lots more than the men can do and for me those are good attributes that women can be used for that is a very key role that women complete in the vpa process and that was being given by a man so means they have understood why women need to be on board I say that they said women can really persuade and influence decisions and behavioral change without confrontation I'm concerned as this dimension is in a local on Ibarra this what it means so it's like when people are doing their own thing when there are illegal it's us and their community and you wanted to stop it's better to let the woman champion X and this is something that the men have realized and so they are pushing their women to lead so it is not that women who are saying given the space feel free it's rather the men who have seen their roles that the women can play and supporting them to lead the process to call that behavior arching that they are looking for and so I remember in one of our communities some time ago well looking at this illegalities and there were a number of women led by one particular older woman elderly women in went back into their community and said okay we've learnt about illegal activities because of a training on repair processes so there were a number of illegal for them chainsaw operators in their community he went she went there and saw them look which learns what you are doing is illegal you are the trainer for it so wants you to leave this our community for us just like that simple persuasion not final confrontation and truly this guy's left the forest is there for them and based on this achievement there's been some do not support to some of these communities and the communities not becoming a tourist attraction it's called Rinku album called Claire has been there before and she access to this fast I said that they said women are always at home by virtue of the activities and so they can really see who comes into the community what is happening around and can be very good in four months and all these things that I'm bringing outside the views and opinions that the men are bringing on board it's because they've understood the road that women currently and they are rather championed they are rather pushing the women because of this and are competences they have come on board and we can support a process so I believe even at the community level we have men champions who and even the vpf forces and it's a very good thing that is happening of a day and there was one lots a I think it's an add up from Rosalyn yes we we really appreciate what the red plastic etiquette is doing with respect to gender mainstreaming but on the lighter loads I believe they are just you're not gonna B's so when you go back home just said a good news with them and let them take it up thank you very much so yeah we've got a question in an ironic question here and then Tanya Norma and a question over there okay starting here yeah microphone and say who you are Madison freelance thank you all for really interesting talks and I wanted to flag up an issue we've the focus of this meeting has been very much on the value of timber and also a little bit on wildlife this morning but in your talks and in the discussions there have been other values associated with forests that have been flagged up which are particularly important for women so not what I was used to be referred to as non-timber forest products so things to do with medicine dyes food but also more fundamental things like water and I wondered whether the panel here could make any suggestions of how you as women but also as people in general we can flag up these very important values of forests that seem to often be forgotten and flag them up to policy makers because I believe this is an extremely important role to play now thank you many congratulations congratulations colleagues for the great work that you're doing in your organization's I make some comments but some of the comments worry me when you say it's men who are working and they're providing our voice I feel identified when I went to the assembly what I was elected it was a man who pushed forward my proposal because he thought – II thought it was good to use me and he thought she's gonna be the face but I will be the one in charge when I was trained took away the power that he had through the knowledge and now he's my worst enemy who are we gonna delegate representation of our word what do we want how do you see yourselves as women defending those spaces looking for those spaces for those decision-making spaces it's for us to still occupy those spaces so we can be you can still be vigilant we can still provide this information we I think we still have to have some ideas about how to support our women so we can reach those decision-making spaces like things like what do we want to do with our resources we are currently working with indigenous people in the nominative will be which you are aware of penny we are there working with the pest people and it's hard work what you have to do that because the leaders there are land the ones who are producing other women but they have he the men are the ones were deciding when to sell the products how we can pay why when if the women were producing I think we've got to be careful here I need to have a very clear vision of how where we want to be as women where do we want how do we want our daughters to be in the future and how are we going to take them with that knowledge in order to be able to take those power spaces so I'd like to hear what your initiatives or suggestions are to apply in your respect in your places I would also like to say as a cooperative sector we have had some achievements we have the co-operative Act which mandates 30 percent participation and we've also had some influence in the committee in the Constitution but we also become invisible in that space we don't 30 percent of women to go there with a one limb to be used we want we want them to have the knowledge you know the talk occupy that space this is a problem because men want to still to use them possibly not all of them but some still think I can dominate her and I can speak on her behalf so be careful good afternoon my name is Mahmoud Qabbani climate international from Sierra Leone I have a question for Dalian what's a pooch of you be using in terms of advocacy within the rural women of course you and I know this the Africa setting we're coming from before you you meet the people you have to go through some structures like the traditional religious leaders et al how informed the the traditional leaders about the the VP and the gender mainstreaming advocacy how inform our day because we know in terms of advocacy at that level it's difficult for for communication to be channeled like for example our organization we are doing a lot of advocacy and so when we normally go goes to those communities if we go directly to the paid to the people and starts talking engaging them in discussion it will be fruitful mmm fruitless understand so there is a structure in the individual setting so how involve is the traditional religious leaders and also take into consideration that's it in Africa set in women almost doing everything in our homes from farming and charcoal mining illegal logging for for their housing construction and what have you so how what are the strategies do you think we can able to educate this rumor we know lots say you mention percentage that this woman I listed what are the strategy do you think we can use in terms of informing and educating this woman okay so are there any one more question and then we're coming back for a last round before we go to the lottery to see the prize winner okay one more question here afternoon this struck me that the conversation has been a bit essentialist about gender and women particularly for example with the Liberia Sirleaf Johnson really didn't respect women in communities with some of her initiatives to expand plantations for palm oil and I think we you know there needs to be a recognition that there's a differences between women there's conflicts between women power inequities between women and these are played out every single day and they're very much part of the they have to be part of the discourse and it's important not to to simply go men and women and in a very essentialist manner and I just throw that out yeah and you can respond okay so we'll go one more round if I perhaps start and then I'll end up with Dona Melania so we I'll just give the question so we had one question which was about in this process are women and/or can we working with a gender lens flag the non-timber values of forests for example medicines and women – and water – policymakers that's one question the other question was are male champions really champions and to what extent are there you know male women politics put up your woman leader and then I kind of control her and how to handle that and also there was a question about what happens when women produce and it's actually then men who control the prices the sales so actually an economic not just a rights-based issue about imbalance another question about really how aware a traditional and religious leaders about the importance of gender and indeed about the vpa itself and then finally is this a sort of slightly naive essentialist discussion you know do women like margaret sorry no sorry not margaret thatcher Sirleaf Johnson sorry that's an ultra but you know when women get into power or become professional or whatever do we actually lose our gender sensitivity and also become gender blind and this isn't just about gender politics it's actually about power structures regardless of whether you're male and female right so those are complicated questions so I'll give you each of you kind of like one sort of minute you don't have to answer all of that and I will start with Loretta then Doreen then Clair entosis Loretta Dorian Clair luego I'll state on the Milania Milania you will finish this round of your name before Milania you cannot win the game because you're not here the question of women using different non-timber forest product the impact looking at the community rights law it calls for three C's commercial community a conservation so women are interested in community but men are interested in commercial and conservation women are also interested in conservation so we may promote community ownership around forestry because they go into the forest for non-timber forest product that we're talking about medicine or plants we're talking about a tie and dye and we're also talking about women using the forest in a sustainable way we have some women in our community that is now doing honey bee keeping and now they are non processing in two different materials we sup Mickey from the honey we have juices and we also have different materials that women want to news from the forest but unlike men I'm not against men but I want to provide the space for women especially to be elevated to the highest decision level that we cannot stand on our own to make decision an informed decision so men will quickly go into commercial quick money so if you look at most of our comedy forests or that we have now the commodification management bodies they are now being affected from their party's agreements and who go into those agreements are men with all the consent of women Winnie and eyewear when those meetings are held with me and I affirm because I want to make what decision about how to manage the forest so women would be interested in community and conservation to save some of our primary forests so that it can have enough and TFP for future purposes and we also want to save some for the community so that women themselves can manage and control the forest and then I also speak to the last question on our former president manna Ellen Johnson Sirleaf she promoted women's leadership she promoted women's empowerment and she also opened a corridor that women could speak and be represented and be heard but based on the patriarchal system that we had limits us from doing what our former president wanted for women to do any level in which she wanted women to reach so currently we have loss with our legislators now brought forth by our former president and now is still stuck up in there amongst men who are making decision whether to pass those laws or not and even before she could leave or transition her power to the current president she had to come up with a bill for one year as a get a order on the domestic violence bill to eliminate all forms of violence against women and one of those sections in the bill were calling against zero-tolerance against female genital mutilation or cutting so when Josh we our when president Josh we are came to power the one the one year our executive order expires this year February and now he has not renew that as active order currently the bill has been passed in essence of section 16 which talks about female genital mutilation and because they feel that the traditional people have the power so they don't want to affect something that will enable these men from gaining power again because there are men being elected into the house so they don't want to pass the FGM bill that will cause the traditional people to hit them so our former president she gave of rights to women and because of those rights we are one of the beneficiaries of those rights today and because of who we are we can speak anywhere we are not limited to participate from that is that if you're worried about palm oil or you know other action activities and you need to generate you need to generate alliances with those who are moving an are in power and so you may have you know champions on one issue women's issues who maybe find it Levin less easy to handle how will palm oil plantations actually benefit women or not so you know that's a I think a lesson to us of how we play again across alliances and environment movement needs to link up with the sort of women's movements in many different levels I'll start with a question on how women up with sex under space yes sometimes it's quite tricky when the man wants a champion and push you in there there could be something behind the mind of going to put you there your face has been seen but they are really the power behind it and so what I always say is that get yourself there and build yourself up it's about competency if you are standing or sitting in there and you don't know what you about that is where do you see us at dummy and be pushing you around but if you are there and you know what you are made of and what you can't do and you build yourself up then you are there as yourself and represents the constituents that has puts you there to represent you become competent enough you fill the space adequately and by so doing nobody can sit around because you've already occupy the space that's is it then on the community level yes our approach has been diverse we use different strategies where it is applicable for instance in trying to reach a community in many comedies that we go to the first go through the traditional leaders because they are the constants of the police and sometimes to some of the political not political participation but the local level governance structures we have the assembly members and unit committee people that we go through to lead us into the communities and when we start or when we met them know whatever we are bringing on board we get a people involved and we explain to them what we actually wants to do for instance its vp a process in order for the community to accept and bring women on board so a lot female participation we need to do a gender analysis with a community you need to let them understand and the simple to that we use was they're not pre analysis that is their needs access participation resource and impacts not free will so you go through their their will were the people what are the needs of women would respect to the resource the first resource and what are the needs of men so clearly is established that women have different needs from the men while the men are looking for that same but we take to that symbol market the women are looking for the ncf piece they are looking for the food they are looking for the hips they are looking for the honey and their smallest thing that they produce to take care of the homes women have different access to the resource can they adequately go in and pick what they want you just like their male counterparts are they allowed to participate or do this the participation of women just like the Mills do they have resources to assess whatever they need to do and other impacted on or do they impact on the forest resource just like the Mills do when able to sit down both with a simple analysis with them they realize yes we are all human beings and the community but we are different people and so we all need to be on board we all need to come on board and help ourselves to be able to protect the resource very well and all of us who are chief what the resource has for us to achieve so I think when we were able to explain it to them this way there are subsets and supporters who achieve the purposes of the various implementations and initiative that we think down to the community level so I was there in San just building on that what we what we're seeing that women usually have on the FTA and GFP question they have usually used in access rights but they don't control they don't own so that's a that's a major barrier that you have there then there's some also good example I think in Burkina Faso on anti FPS so that would be also and maybe some civilized the government and making sure that they remove regulatory barriers and encourage and promote community enterprises yeah I left that components of women being uneducated and how we reach out to them yes so on the components you use a lot of illustrations and sometimes I go with other projects with WWF enrich and also Committee on how they could monitor the forest and most of our educational materials were illustrations in the form of pictures on cards so I give it to them when we see an illegality prompted the district official so in that case we draw illegality happening you draw the district official then you draw a community person calling the district official so right away they see that picture and they can relate to the picture and appropriate so these are some of the channels that we used to get to them sorry you're not being translated so speak into the microphone and then we're going to Tonya Milani and closing how informed these traditional leaders like not just to allow you to talk to the people but after you left what they will continue to do a follow up and training or information to them to the people so out informed is there any training strategy for the traditional leaders or you just allow you to talk to the people so it depends on the contest you know we have different levels of traditional leadership there are some communities together and you get a local chief who is actively involved in whatever you are doing so in that case there could be your presenter tips and even educating the people in your absence but there are some communities we were there and the Chiefs are let me put in code bigger Chiefs deriving reside in the community so some of these Chiefs you can not always get their participation but those that are really interested that the processing gets involved they can get evolved very well and they themselves are agents of change at the committee level Dona Melania cracka you know Ultima reveille palabra para que aqui I own a discussion millenia your last intervention once you have representation or participation of women to what extent is that woman representing the interests of the communities that manage the resource of the land it could be that it's a woman that once she's in power similar to other men she moves away from the community interests of the place she was born which comments do you have about that we have been working on organized kumano to strengthen capacity of women in this case you have to be careful because it's not necessarily in the mind of man it's also in anything to do with imposition with violence authoritarianism it's all aggression cases of women that go down that line so I think it's an issue between us we are also discussing we are reflecting on that in order to change these ways of thinking another issue that we also have to see any mixed organization so women where on the side were the power voice the decision-making but it is often just appearances for example in the women is Secretariat just to collect and so on but there isn't necessarily a negative representation or an effective presentation of indigenous women another thing that was there was a question that was to do with support the previous consultation to make sure that women have voiced in vote you have to take into account that the previous consultation is between the indigenous people and the external actors what they should support is in strengthening the capacity having the information so that women are prepared so that when it comes to the consultation defending their rights this is this is it in that sense all the participants here is it's not just about participation it's about meaningful participation it is about information bottom-up top-down that is also of in the forum and useful so that you can actually make decisions in a way that will improve the conditions of the community members and so just now I have to say thank you very stimulating panel I was very worried about just you know sitting here and no one would turn up and so this is very very positive I hope you've enjoyed it I hand over now to the lottery and to Chatham House who will be [Applause]

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the video has passed thank you ladies in general if I wasn't a Christian and if I didn't believe the things that I believed I would be pro-choice I would have gone to any length medically overseen or not to end my pregnancy what you ended was a unique genetic code that had eye color hair color how tall would be how much it would weigh its personality when you put between event abortion performed you eliminated all of that that's a scientific fact is Hollywood using its power to influence your political views find out on this episode of LED lives exposing darkness hello everyone you're watching LED live the show we used the light of Christ to expose darkness found in media and our culture today and today we're talking about Hollywood in politics all right so I'm excited let's get started okay so question for Scottie you used to work in Hollywood in California right I did yes um did your productions ever bring you out to the East Coast they did I worked on a couple shows that I actually worked in in New York for about a month or two so I got a chance to experience the East Coast and then in that sense nice do you guys know which city on the East Coast is considered the Hollywood of the south yes and that's because I mean Hollywood and and Georgia as a state actually have a pretty tight relationship I mean Hollywood dumps billions of dollars into Georgia's economy every single year films and shows have been produced such as to see the walking dead you have Hunger Games Black Panther currently has a box office over 1.3 billion dollars and Tyler Perry one of the most successful he is the most successful african-american in film history his production studio is based in Atlanta and then we have Marvel superhero franchise guardians of the galaxy you have ant-man spider-man all of these were made in Atlanta right now George is in the dog house last week Georgia's legislature approved the living infants fairness and equality Act also known as the House bill for 8:1 it's also called the heartbeat bill now hearing all those terms what comes to mind heartbeat bill abortion exactly exactly so basically it abandons abortions after a fetal heartbeat is detected do you know how far into a pregnancy you can hear the fetuses heartbeat isn't it like a month it starts to have a heartbeat or give or take six six weeks okay it's over a month right okay but before all of this was happening jort it was legal for a woman enjoyed it to abort her child 20 weeks into her pregnancy that's about five months so you don't get five months versus six weeks it's a pretty big gap and it's interesting the the controversy that's going on not only in Georgia but Hollywood as well so I want to pause here though for a while and ask each of you what your stance on abortion is as an individual I'll go first I believe in pro-life I believe that that there is a miraculous thing with that baby's life is conceived if you look at some of the scientific research that's been done on when the sperm enters the egg there's actually a flash of light that happens right at that time and it is a to me it's like it's a life at that point and you know maybe there will be a struggle maybe someone will have a harder hardship but you know God can see some of those children through and and they can be a wonderful blessing to society yeah I guess I'll go next yeah I'm pro-life as well is preserve as much life as possible you know and and sometimes there's very sad situations where that becomes very difficult you know there are complications and the mother's gonna die or the baby's gonna die or both are gonna die but I just believe that we should try to preserve as much life as possible you know even in those hard situations okay so question when you say preserving as much life the life of the mother of what we're left with the child base of things that's I mean that's I I don't know how to answer that question I mean to me it's a it's not my decision I don't know what I would do in that case I mean that's that's really challenging and so for me I would just take this stance I'd you know whatever you choose that's between you and God and and I can't answer that question you know whether you choose that you know the the wife that you love or the child that you love that's that's on its way I mean how can you choose that you know I don't know how anybody can really choose that but sometimes people have to make those choices and that's really are you rare and specific they are that you kind of have to cross that bridge windows those things come to basically make a rule or a law off of that really kind of obscure one thing is I think where we get a lot of our ideas for abortion and skewed exactly I even from high school up till 2012 I was saying I'm I probably wouldn't do it but I think everybody has the right to choose and then I saw a documentary called 180 there's a 180 and it made a parallel between like how Hitler kind of brainwashed everybody into thinking well certain races aren't even really technically human so it's okay to exterminate them that's what we're being told about fetuses well they're not really human yeah they're like a fish I got the cells you can look at the you can look at photographs from abortion clinics and see that they have fingernails features they're not a glob of cells so I think there's a lot of disinformation on this subject like Scotty was saying they take it they take a sort of a a rare case in an exact like theory around that yes so whenever you bring up abortion it's always life for them another and all this but when you look at the statistics that's 1% I'll warn you right right the majority is convenience and you know in the rare case yeah in the rare case that the baby or the mother's gonna die I think that should be something that's case-by-case the doctor makes a decision you don't open some kind of drive-through abortion clinic like come on in like why would you make a whole thing for 1% yeah so interesting that Mikey said at one point you know he was pro-choice were you ever approached choice at any point I was actually I think in my earlier years I would have definitely thought you know hey there's there's cases and times when that person is gonna have a harder life if the child's brought into it but now that I have children and I've experienced that and I've seen that from a different set of eyes I look at life at a whole different way and and I mean I definitely am pro-life at this point but my earlier 20s I would have been pro-choice I was too and that's because I had a somebody in my family who has gone through that and somebody I really loved and and identified with and so for me it was hard for me to to put that condemnation on that person so to speak in my own mind and and say that well you know that's that's a wrong thing to do I didn't know I didn't want to place them in that that you know box if you will and I and I and I probably still wouldn't you know because I'm not there haven't been there but at some point you know it shifted right it's interesting I'm in my twenties and I'm if I had to label myself I would say pro-choice so I wonder hmm interest at a time I'm at that stage of life if it'll change and then I wonder too if the people that are out there picketing are they more you know I like if you just look at this this photo here it seems like a bunch of older ladies that are like hey I regret this decision I regret my abortion but then you see some younger 20 year old right there going oh keep it safe that's true all the way across the board yeah that's that's something to think about it definitely I'll say also a very controversial ad or something when I was a woman wearing a t-shirt that was like I had an abortion and she was like celebrating at home I was just like I just don't understand that I mean I could see I was in this situation I had to make a very tough decision I made it but to like celebrate almost just seems demented her okay so it really took time for me to discuss it with friends and really hash out this whole topic of abortion but I came to this conclusion right what is abortion abortion is killing of a child or a fetus inside a mother's womb it's killing so killing is against the sixth commandment which is thou shalt not kill and we know that equals sin sin is a transgression of the law therefore me as a Christian should be against abortion however that's my religious belief so what I had to come to terms with is just like with God I should not force obedience or before in the forcing of obedience really when it comes to true worship which involves the way we live our lives it's all about choice right so when when when it comes between a woman and what she decides to do with her body that really should be but a decision made that she makes between her and God and it shouldn't really have the involvement of let's just say the government we've heard all of your positions and you mixed kind of your religious beliefs with actual science backings but overall is your position more because of your faith or because of your belief of civil rights whether it is towards the mom or the fetus I would definitely say I'm looking at this through faith based eyes I mean my relationship with God has really opened up my my mind to a whole mess of other things I'm I'm probably gonna come at it from a faith-based point of view and this maybe not quite in the exact context this was written but in Deuteronomy it talks about God and he's saying I've put before you this day you know life and death and he gives him the answer he says choose life and not not trying to take that out of context for this situation but I have a tendency to apply that you know towards other things and say what does God want us to choose I think he wants us to choose life when you thinking of government there's really two sides or politics rather you have the pro-lifers which are more of the far-right evangelicals who are extremists in that they really want to abolish abortion but then you have the far left the the Liberals who are all for choice to the extent that we know in New York the reproductive health act just passed for people who don't know I think the bill actually broads this this if I'm not mistaken a health exception for abortions up to as you just mentioned 24 weeks that's that's up to nine months of pregnancy for age economic social there's a list on the website do I have that about right so you can have an abortion for any reason up until 24 weeks which is 6 months of pregnancy and then after 24 weeks so from 25 to 40 weeks so you know the date of birth right you could have an abortion for basically anything because they quantify it as health of the mother which can literally be anything so right if I'm feeling stressed that is impeding my health right if I'm feeling anxious that's a reason if my boyfriend ran out on me certainly that's causing the emotional distress so that's a reason so you can now kill a baby through the date of birth in this stage of music you can do that right so you're looking at two extremes so when I'm thinking about government should there be absolutes in government pro-life versus pro-choice so that's why I said earlier if I had to choose yeah would be pro-life but I don't like the extremism found on both sides and there really doesn't seem to be any middle ground I I would have to agree with you I I think that there is an extreme outer edge there that's a scary territory because even though they may be utilizing their law or their power in a certain way today you wait till you get someone super evil in that seat and all of a sudden you can see it can go the other way real fast I think a lot of our laws are written because some crazy example happens you know somebody goes into a church and shoots of a bunch of people let's just change all the gun laws then and and then now of a sudden it's like you're probably not gonna take the guns away from the criminals and they're the only ones with the guns now and you know does that solve anything so III think that there is definitely a boundary where we should allow our government to make those choices but then I also go you know as a pro-choice ER with God then society really needs to sit down and think about that and when society gets to the place where it's like you know not thinking on any sort of like religious mindset then we either have a choice to leave or isolate yourself or you know I'm thinking about wife and Jesus makes you know several statements says I come that they may have life and have it more abundantly you know in other words he wants to save as many people as possible and just where you draw those lines I mean Bible says there's a wisdom and a multitude of counselors and I'm glad that at least in this country we are set up with some checks and balances and a lot of people that are hopefully doing their job and looking at those those laws when they make those decisions and saying this is you know maybe the the parameters that we should do it around and not trying to go to extremes in one way or the other it's unfortunate that those things happen but to just say that I don't know that it's the answer that we should just not protect life okay it's interesting you say that let's go back to the government's involvement you know okay this law is passed but what does it accomplish okay less abortions and now you have babies being born but at what point does the government's involvement stop because if you're gonna force someone to have a child wouldn't it be right to say you should force I mean you should help them in the development of the child and I'm talking about health care education housing so there's there's multiple scenarios there and multiple options there's a lot of people to have children and realize I'm not capable of handling this and they like everybody this is like every panelist and and there are other options where there are people you cannot have children mmm I just can't like it's biologically not possible for them to have children but they have the means and resources to take care of a child and so this idea that it's like you know again I think we're taking extreme viewpoints and saying well if you're forcing somebody in that situation it's gonna be a strain on the system it doesn't have to be you know there are many options available out there where people who would love to have a child and care for that child and love for that child and provide for their education and provide for the health care and all kinds of things so maybe we as a society instead of looking at it like well it's just gonna drain think of it on the other side of the fence if we have this large group of unwanted children coming into society what can we do with them how can we then plug them in give them you know a better situation how could we make the system work for them to have a better existence and and give them the means I don't know maybe yeah I think it's a little bit too challenging to adopt I mean we know people that adopt and it's cost tons of money and all these funny hoops everything I'm almost sympathizing with the politicians because it's like maybe we should make it easier but then you make it easier and you got psychos adopting children it's like wow there's a lot to think about well there's a difference between screening people and expense upfront you know definitely we should screen people just like you should screen people who are getting guns you know you don't want to just hand over our gun to anybody but no need to necessarily make it so expensive exact people who are screened can can do that and not burn a whole bunch of funds that they could use in taking care of the child I think a really good way to to deal with a situation like this is with information I appreciate these kind of conversations I think we need to have these kind of conversations just to basically cut it off and everybody gets up in arms well you know this is my side of the thinking or this is my side of the thinking this is how we as a society come to grappling with these kind of topics and come to some conclusion to it and and we need to discuss them more you know the countries that have a war on drugs if you've ever seen any kind of like documentation on how effective act actually is that war on drugs there's some countries that just say you know what we're gonna embrace it and we are going to instead of war against it we're gonna we're gonna allow the drugs to come into the country and we're gonna just use information to teach people the dangers of drugs and stuff and they are actually much more effective than than the countries that just say if you do drugs we're gonna throw you in jail so David chose to attack that problem with information I think we can do the same as well we can we can choose to dump and flood our society with information look if you have children or you're sleeping around you know that a child can come out of that and you know we can give information on what to do from that point out and try to attack it from that at the end of the day it seems like you're getting that is can we force people to make decisions or choices and you know is that God's model it's certainly not God's model but it seems like any model that God set up whenever you made that choice and he allowed you to make it there's always been consequences to that and for society to say well we're not living a theocracy anymore and there's consequences but you know we're not going to help provide the environment where those consequences can can happen because people learn through consequence you know it's like your child if they lie to you and there's no consequence what's the idea they're gonna keep lying to you you know so I think there should be consequences that are a lot of have a lot of eyes on it and a lot of people come together and agree without infringing on other people's rights you know privacy safety but certainly there should be consequences and at the end of the day yeah you can make that choice I'm all for people making whatever choice but they need to think through it and say what is the consequence what is the long-term situation gonna be if I make that choice you know hopefully that's what we're teaching our children to do is look you're gonna go out into the world you're gonna have choices to make if you want to be lazy you can make that choice but you're gonna struggle because you're not gonna be able to get a very good job being lazy you know okay well we're talking about Hollywood in politics and I say we're all trapped really really interesting Alyssa Milano so she's an actress in Hollywood and she's now leading the charge in Hollywood against this legislation we're talking about the bill that was passed in Georgia about abortion she and 49 other actresses talking about Amy Schumer Alec Baldwin Gabrielle Union Sean Penn these are big names signed this letter against the bill saying and I'll read it quote as actors our work often brings us giorgia we've always found your state to be populated with friendly and caring people however this dangerous and deeply flawed bill mimics many others which have already been deemed unconstitutional listen carefully as men who identify as small government conservatives and now we're seeing the extremes again we remind you that the government is never bigger than when it is inside a woman's body or in her doctor's office I want you to pay attention to the language in this last piece we want to stay in Georgia we want to continue to support the wonderful people businesses and communities we have come to love in the Peach State but we will not do so silently and we will do everything in our power to move our industry to a safer State for a woman if HB 481 which is the bill becomes law now notice the language she's she's saying that if this bill becomes law they will be forced to move to a safer state now my question is what about this bill is unsafe yeah going back to talking about how the government is really trying to protect society and the people living in it when you think about it just looking at the science no the longer a woman is pregnant but actually progresses through the trimesters if she decides to go through with the procedure of abortion she is more at risk than early on so saying the cutoff time is six weeks is actually helping the woman wouldn't you agree yeah I think it's interesting how Hollywood tries to really muscle their weight around you know not even discussing the the implications of that it's just there like if you don't do what we say then we're just going to you know pull out somewhere else how many of them actually go through with this stuff how many celebrities are like if Trump gets elected I'm moving out of the country and they're still here I mean it's still the best country I mean that's true they they're gonna they're gonna throw their popularity around as a as a commodity but so are they really gonna say from here on like oh this blockbuster movie you're gonna get millions of dollars I've become the Georgia no we're not gonna go see them yeah I think this happens a lot in Georgia actually because Georgia probably has a lot of people that are more you know conservatively minded maybe and so these bills make their way you know up through the chain and then when it gets to the top then these bigger industries take notice I mean Delta's in Georgia Coca Cola's and Georgia you got some big businesses in Georgia and if they're trying to please the loudest voice maybe not even you know the right voice or the voice of the representative people but the loudest voice then they're gonna you know take their their concerns to the people at the top and use the almighty dollar – yes weigh their votes I think the celebrity is gonna take the hit harder than Georgia itself and all that they have going for them I mean they're gonna be the one missing out on the opportunity to act in a sort of movie or whatever okay well in summary this letter which was posted on Twitter surprise surprise threatened a boycott if the bill becomes state law but actors are not the only ones against the bill we have the Writers Guild of America East and West which are label unions that represent TV and film writers so they also took to Twitter and posted a letter in opposition to Georgia's abortion ban legislation calling this band quote a blatant attack on every woman's right to control her own body in their post they said this draconian anti choice law would discourage people in our industry from working in Georgia and could harm the state's vibrant film and television industry now they continue in the letter saying it is entirely possible that many of those in our industry will either want to leave the state or decide not to bring productions here now let's think of the magnitude of this we have three to five thousand jobs scheduled to be opened in 2021 you have billions of dollars that Hollywood is dumping into Georgia's economy it's thriving off of what Hollywood is doing and now Hollywood is saying we're going to with the draw from you if you put this bill into law now do you think what do you think about this situation where it is literally stepping outside of the bounds of just producing entertainment and to using its power to to sway government's decision-making I think art is meant to affect the viewer they're in the business of affecting society in fact a lot of our ideals are shaped because of these productions that they're putting out there the the dialogue that's put into movies the way that those characters interact with each other the storyline between the people that you know they're making movies about that are okay with abortion and stuff those are having an impact in society so it doesn't it doesn't shock me that they're using their influence to you know get what they want in in politics I mean they're in the business of shaping people's minds ultimately I think you're you're saying you know well I'm okay with the fact that if I was that child and that mother I would not exist you know you have to be okay with that decision the child doesn't get any say you know everybody's making the decision for them and it's like you have all these people that are that it's already had a hard enough time to get where it's at and then before it's even born it's got like all these people that are like against that child you know coming to full tournament and being born and it's like I don't know just place yourself in that child's shoes you know everybody's making the decisions for you you don't get to choose you know it's a it's really a miracle that it's gotten this far and it's in its lifespan and and it could be snuffed out so quickly okay well let's let's go back to Scott I remember you talking about information you know how information should be put out there to kind of do the problem and people should be able to choose and also the dialogue in Hollywood can really influence a lot of people it's interesting because a movie was released last week March 29 called unplanned so it's a Christian film by the same producer of God's not dead it's a movie about Abby Johnson who becomes the youngest clinic director in history of Planned Parenthood then a life changing changing experience turns her into an anti-abortion activist happy Johnson is in the other room here our first order of business is to present Planned Parenthood's Employee of the Year award Abby Johnson this is Abby she's our newest volunteer escort Abby this is Cheryl Alessandra I'd be the youngest director in Planned Parenthood history you'll actually be in charge of the abortions at your clinic I have a chance to make a real difference the only thing that's changed is you Abby you even hear yourself talk right now about these procedures these are little babies I'm not going to apologize for doing a job that helps women in crisis they're still part of me that isn't sure but the one thing that all experts agree on is that at this stage the fetus can't feel anything sorry to bother you but they need an extra person in the back room are you free I saw it was like twisting and fighting for its life we commend the souls of these hundreds of children and Lord we pray to end abortion I really appreciate what you've done for us I'll not forget it 22 even covered rough day at the office your dad and me you are our baby from the moment of conception we are paying you to be a perfect instrument of corporate policy we are an abortion provider I can't be part of this anymore everything that they've told us is a lie don't underestimate the repercussions of this you got to be careful let me tell you what's gonna happen if you bail through that door congratulations you can make an enemy of one of the most powerful organizations on the planet this film is is a really honest look as to what happens in abortion clinics so it's an attempt to make the idea of abortion more tangible so someone can make a more educated decision but I want to talk about Hollywood's response to this film because it's not really what do you think pro-lifers were really shocked and confused when the motion picture associative Association of America MPAA gave this movie an r-rating part of the issue has been that this movie got an R rating which a lot of people thought was ironic that young women who in most states could go have an abortion without their parents involvement couldn't go watch the movie hmm another interesting they don't want kids to see it basically mm-hmm were you anticipating that were you surprised what's your response to that Hollywood is about politics it's not about making movies it said it's about propaganda with Hollywood and you know we are pro-life guys in a pro-choice town and so we are not like and the movie is not gonna be like so to expect that they would give us a fair reading okay not gonna happen so we kind of knew that we wished for the best understood that the worst could possibly happen and that when we got the are didn't surprise us I live in a country where my daughter can go out at 13 she can get an abortion without parental consent but she can't go to see this movie okay wait wait so this into my mind for a second they gave it an r-rating why oh yeah we're gonna get into that because of the violence so not only did they give it a our rating Hollywood blocked advertisements so you wouldn't see this on TV except if you're watching what is it Christian Broadcasting Network you see it on there but not on the regular Channel well another interesting thing is they had a Twitter page this movie had a Twitter page with thousands of followers and it got shut down and reopened a new one yes dan this is just one of the most recent examples of censorship bias on Twitter what's your thoughts well I mean the Twitter is consistently the worst of all the social media outlets there is no pretense so I mean you know this is not the treatment that liberals receive Planned Parenthood move or abortion movies don't get shut down their accounts don't get shut down on their opening weekend you don't have people who try to follow the account and it automatically unfollowed you yeah I mean there's a huge uproar on Twitter and Twitter's response is always the immunity oh yeah okay and they move on if imagine the media outrage if this happened to some sort of left-wing account it's simply the way it is Twitter is no way shape or form a neutral platform the Conservatives see you know that tells me they own the machine right they're blocking the information you say something gags you say something against what they believe then they're gonna just cut it off and and that that channel is not gonna be able to to be open to this type so I believe in freedom of speech and these people try to claim that's what they believe and we won't accept as we want a voice with we want representation but yet we don't get to have that side we're always silent pro-choice we want you to be able to choose anything but choose something that's different than us data that's crazy so um what's quite comical about this r-rating you guys remember the movie venom yeah you know that was rated pg-13 of course right it's crazy because he's totally demonically possessed anyway that's that's that's way less than killing babies was there any violence in that they were killing people but you didn't see any actual blood it was black it was real cartooning something like that every Marvel movie pretty much every Marvel movie in comparison in terms of contents to this movie is worse yet almost all their movies is rated pg-13 while this one is rated R let's look at some examples last year it contains instances of torture and impale a black panther very popular movie contains stabbings gunfights and UFC type fistfights came out last year contains more than 70 course words and I say course instead of curse because you know there's different words that are not considered really curse words but you wouldn't want your like seven-year-old son action film live free or die hard about 100 course words in Titanic remember 1997 movie had cursed a wait were you born then curse words sexuality and nudity all of these phones are rated pg-13 PG I knew it was and we haven't even started on broadcast television regular shows Abby Johnson in response to the MPAA rating of unplanned what you know his rated R she released an open letter addressed to parents making it clear that this film contained no profanity no nudity no sex assuring them that the film's tone runs a full range of laughter and tears and a detailed she details the specific scenes that basically triggered this rating in particular so I'm gonna share it with you two and then yes that's it out of our two-hour movie Wow so this is another instance where you don't need to see the movie in order to make an educated decision whether you should watch it or not so this is what she says one scene shows what I saw on the ultrasound screen when I assisted in the abortion procedure that convinced me of the humanity of the unborn you will see what I saw a baby on an ultrasound screen in black-and-white 2d you will see the abortion instrument which looks like a big straw in real life and like a dark line on the ultrasound introduced onto the screen you will see the baby struggle against it you will see the baby first slowly then quickly disappear into the instrument as it does what it is to do Johnson stresses the footage is not of an actual abortion and it was necessary to keep it in the film because it tells the truth of what our culture keeps trying to insist is a right and a freedom the second scene recreates my awful experience with the abortion pill including some blood in real life I hemorrhaged so badly I thought I was going to die Johnson writes adding that the film captures her experience without being gratuitous or gory Johnson concludes that she cannot make the decision for parents themselves but shares that her own twelve-year-old daughter will see it and other friends who have seen it plan to do the same our children are of the generation who is being lost to abortion this is personal for them too she writes yes it's a movie about abortion but even more so it's a movie about the truth of forgiveness repentance and redemption because that is what the story of my life is really about we were just looking up the statistics on the age of people of woman who go through abortions and you see that it's 15 to 19 that's 10% and over 20% is ages 20 to 24 these are the people who should be exposed to this information and know exactly what's going on in the clinics any comments on this yeah I've heard a lot about I think it might be the company or the organization choices but they go around with a truck and they're fully licensed and everything and they just want to give women ultrasounds before they have a an abortion that's all they want to do we just want to show you the baby and they get run off all the time by the abortion clinic people like we don't want you here and so why aren't they wanting the women to see the baby and it's really ironic that this got an r-rating probably by people who are pro-choice but we okay so what we say is okay we don't want to see on-screen why would you stand for something that you don't even want to see I think it's also a testament to the power that media has because they would not react in this type of way if it wasn't going to influence and obviously put it in our rating he's gonna put that decision-making that is able to view this early enough to like before there's an actual abortion or a problem they'll make a decision I think those decisions are made at 13 14 15 so if they put those numbers you know that you can't go see this until this high I mean it really minimizes that I think that's a testament to how powerful media can be I mean it can influence because a huge discrepancy here you know because we're saying this is rated R for two scenes and you're basically putting it on the same level as something like Deadpool it's rated R you know which Deadpool by the way had a curse word literally I think every minute yeah or half a minute out of the thing there was a hundred and something curse words in the entire production weight and sexuality right and and and yeah and and not to mention the the gore and violence in it you know so you know there's a huge discrepancy and then and you take some of these pg-13 films and we say well this is not as bad as that I mean it's fine for your kid to see something like that but right I mean well despite Hollywood's efforts to block this from the public view unplan unplanned as of now has a box office of seven million dollars so the word is getting out there people are going to see it on traverse it can be a good thing sometimes exactly exactly yeah if they go you know they won't let them play it here or they're not promoting it in any way shape or form in the public so only Christian radio stations and things you know that should make a lot of people curious yeah I'm curious I didn't know like what did they say in this thing well don't really go Hollywood knows me to my next question as Christians in regards to this biographical film because it is about her life she'll be watching should we encourage other people to watch it you know I think I think there is a place for film I really do and I think in such an important conversation piece like this there's there's a lot of different varieties of how we can share information we can share information with a book we can share information with a documentary some people maybe aren't going to go and read a book or be exposed to you know digging around on the Internet but they will sit down and watch a film so I think God is in the business of saving people and III think he's using whatever means he can and these guys are using the tools that they have at their hands they've they've clearly gotten very good at it and you know this is potentially a film that that I will actually sit down and watch yeah I think that they are thinking of the same way we do what we do it's a information war we're trying to it's like a spiritual war we're trying to show you the reasons why you should watch certain things so I think they're doing the same thing well if people are gonna watch movies anyway let's see them something that's good and informative yeah you know III think for any of our listeners out there if you guys know of anybody that is you know in this age range where they potentially have gotten pregnant accidentally and are really contemplating this I mean I think everything begins with prayer sit down ask God what is it that you want me to do and show me the information convict my heart and those things I believe will lead you God will lead you he's not gonna ignore you to the right pieces of information so that you can make a good and well educated choice but you know if you if you give that choice to God God what do you want me to do I guarantee you he will keep knocking on your heart that little small voice will be loud and clear in your mind and you know I think he'll help you out I'm gonna say at the end of the day I'm with Mikey here you know if you're gonna say that you're pro-choice does that spill into other parts of your life I mean shouldn't you be pro-choice that people see something like this you know information you know let people make their own decision you don't have to shut something down necessarily because you don't agree with it you know do I do I believe there are certain things we shouldn't watch or do absolutely but you know at the end of the day you know you have to let people make those decisions for good or for bad we'll do our best to influence people you know for the right way and I might say yeah you know there's this you shouldn't watch it Deadpool and here's the reasons why but at the end of the day it's your choice and you know I'm not gonna necessarily go out and pick it at Deadpool and you know and try to shut down their twitter account and all that and you know it's like you have to choose you're the one that's accountable to god so I say if you're pro-choice you know let people choose don't thank you guys so much for discussing this topic with me and thank you for watching LED live we really appreciate your support don't forget to Like comment and definitely subscribe share this video with as many people as possible to get the word out that LED live is here or something bye

Rachel Maddow Wants Democrats to Stop Overthinking Trump’s Impeachment



-Another thing
that seems to, uh… seems to be splitting
the way Democrats think, not just
the idea of electability but also the idea
of impeachment — is this a fool's errand? I think you have many
in the party who think this is a man who's done
plenty of things that are why we have
impeachment as an option and others who are saying, "No, we need to focus on the
ballot box as a way of removal." What do you think? -I think this is another one
of those things where Democrats are sort of
outthinking themselves, like in the same way
with the electability thing. Like, you may really want
to beat Donald Trump. You can't personally work out who's the most electable
candidate to win the primary. In the same way, impeachment — you sort of
can't really game out what the political impact
of impeachment is going to be. That's not the kind of process
impeachment is. If a president commits crimes, commits high crimes
and misdemeanors, the way the Congress is supposed
to hold him accountable is by opening
an impeachment inquiry, doing an investigation,
and then voting on whether or not they think
that it rises to that level. Whether or not that hurts the
President, helps the President, hurts the Democrats,
helps the Democrats, A, is unknowable, and, B,
should be beside the point. And if you're doing it
for the right reasons, I think you are more likely
to persuade the country that you've done it
for the right reasons rather than you having tried to
think everybody around a corner, in terms of how
this is supposed to work out. I just think just be —
Approach these things simply. Pick the best candidate who you think would make
the best president. Approach impeachment in terms of the Constitutional
imperative here. Who cares who it's good for? -It does strike me, as well, whether he is impeached or not,
he'll act like he was impeached. -Yes.
Yes, yes. -And, you know, he's gonna —
he's not gonna — if he doesn't get impeached,
say, "You know what? That was a real fair shake
I got from the Democrats. I tip my hat."
-Yeah, exactly! -"I may have been wrong
about those bozos." -It's true.
They're gonna run campaign ads. He's gonna give speeches
talking about them being socialists
who want to impeach him. There's nothing you can do to make him
not call you a socialist. -Right.
-Just do what you think is right.
He's gonna call you names. If you're really lucky, he'll
give you a diminutive Nickname. -Yeah.
-Congratulations. -Yeah, that'd be a winner. -There's no way that you can
get around that stuff. And he will —
And the Republicans will all campaign
as if the Democrats are just "impeachment-mad
socialists," so just
do what you think is right. Don't worry about
what people say about you. -We both talked about
Trump's adventures in Europe, and that was just — in general, I just found a peace
with him being there just because it shifted by five
hours when things could happen. [ Laughter ] You know, at like 9:00,
if I was at dinner, I had a thought of, like, "If I haven't
heard anything now, he's probably asleep,"
you know? [ Laughter ] But you —
-You were so good, though. When you described him as, like,
every American tourist thing that anybody has ever done wrong
anywhere in the world, he's doing them all at once.
-Yeah. -Like,
that's exactly what he was. When you described him that way, I was like,
"That's what he's doing!" He's embodying all of
the worst stereotypes that everybody in the world
has about dumb Americans, and he's living them large!
[ Laughter ] Like, with their leaders.
It was just… -Yeah. Well, you can tell
they look at him, and they're not saying, "Oh, I've met a guy
like this before." They're like, "I've met
a guy like this before, but it was 100 different guys."
-Yes. [ Laughter ]
-Like, this — He's like a Voltron
of all of it. -Yeah.
-You had a wonderful — I had not seen this photo
that you called out on your show last night,
which is, here's the Trump family
in a picture. And I will say, they all look
lovely, beautiful gowns. -The Trump adult children.
-Trump adult children. -Why are they there? They don't work
for the government. -Who pointed this out to you?
Did you find this on your own? -So, I was reading
the Irish press because, as you talked about
on your show, as well, Trump goes over to Ireland
and is like, "Yeah, about your border wall
with Northern Ireland…" It's like,
"Dude, there's no border wall with Northern Ireland." And that's
a really sensitive subject! please don't go there.
Ugh! So, I was looking at
the Irish press to see how they covered
that disaster by the President, and what I found
was they were like, "Hey, look at this picture
of the Trump adult children. Isn't that lovely, how they're
posing for that photo?" -That's great but we're gonna
zoom in on something over here. Right there.
"No photos." -"No photographs."
[ Laughter ] -They literally —
They literally are like, "Let's take a picture,"
and they're like, "Well, not over there, 'cause
it says 'no photographs.'" And they're like,
"No, let's do it there." Yeah.
[ Laughter ] -The President's whole family
poses in front of the "No Photos" picture. Yep, that's pretty much
our lives now. -That's their style.
That is their style. [ Laughter ]
-Yeah. -I want to be serious
here for a second, because you've done
a really good job of covering a very scary situation right now
with all the abortion laws that are being passed
at the state level. -Yeah.
-And, obviously, there was a lot of talk
about what Alabama did, but there's also a lot happening
in Missouri right now where there are basically
efforts being made to close the last
abortion provider in the state. -Yeah.
-Can you talk a little bit about, like, what actually
is happening there and how punitive it is, these laws
that they're talking about? -The thing that's different
about what's happening in Missouri right now
is that they are the closest any state has ever been
to completely ending legal abortion access
in the entire state. No state has been able
to do that since Roe vs. Wade was passed
by the Supreme Court in 1973. But for the first time,
Missouri's state government, the Republican-controlled
state government, is trying to shut down the last
abortion provider in the state. So they're trying to take
the last clinic's license away. And as they are doing that, the
state government has come in, and they have told the doctors
at that clinic that while they're still open
and while women are still able to get abortions there,
the doctors at that clinic must now start giving medically
unnecessary pelvic examinations, like vaginal examinations,
to women, specifically — basically, as the cost of them
asking for an abortion. So, it's medically unnecessary. The doctors don't want to do it.
There's no reason to do it. The women who are getting
abortions do not want this done, and the state government
has come in and mandated that they get this extra
internal exam while they're trying
to shut down that last clinic. And so, we've been reporting
on that for the past week or so. The state government in Missouri
got very mad at us about reporting on it,
but it's freaking true. And we went to the clinic
and talked to the staff there about how they are being forced
to do this to their patients now on orders of the state. And it's just — I think it's upsetting, I think,
to a lot of people, both the state of abortion
rights around the country and what's going on in Missouri, but the fact that they're
doing that to these women on order
of that state government is just sort of
horror-movie disturbing. -Well, we certainly appreciate
you guys actually getting on the ground there
and going and talking to those people 'cause that
is incredibly informative and necessary
at times like these. [ Cheers and applause ]
Last thing I want to ask. -Yeah.
-You are, in the middle of all this —
moderating debates, hosting your own show —
you are writing a book, as well. Just to like relax and unplug,
you're writing a book. Is it a fun —
It's a fun romantic-comedy romp? Is that a safe way
to describe it? -Yeah, it's a romantic
little ditty about the geopolitics
of the oil and gas industry. [ Laughter ]
-Rachel! Rachel, no! -No, I do that.
You know, I do some vaping. It's, like, pretty much, like,
It's my kicking downtime. -"Blowout."
It's called "Blowout." -It's called "Blowout."
It comes out October 1st. Yeah, I'll come back
and talk to you about it. -Okay, great.
I look forward to it. It's always great to see you.
That's Rachel Maddow, everybody.

Democratic Presidential Hopefuls Speak Out About Anti-Abortion Laws | NBC Nightly News



tonight could the culture wars now make a comeback as a top issue in 2020 Alabama's new law making virtually every abortion a crime even in cases of rape and incest sparked an intense debate there why are you putting yourself in God's shoes it's not our place as humans to extinguish that life now the measure is becoming a rallying cry nationally for 2020 Democrats alarmed by a growing number of state laws restricting abortion it's nothing short of an attack on women's basic human rights and civil rights Alabama lawmakers have acknowledged their goal is to get the Supreme Court to overturn Roe versus Wade it's something candidate Trump predicted that'll happen automatically in my opinion because I am putting pro-life and justices on the court the president's anti-abortion agenda has energized his conservative supporters but there are critics of the Alabama law one top Republican Kevin McCarthy telling NBC's KC hunt it's too restrictive do you think that law goes too far it goes further than I believe yes while the Alabama measure is a political flashpoint legal experts say it's almost certain the law would be struck down by lower courts and the Supreme Court could choose not to weigh in hey NBC News fans thanks for checking out our YouTube channel subscribe by clicking on that button down here and click on any of the videos over here to watch the latest interviews show highlights and digital exclusives thanks for watching