2019 State Of The Union: Trump’s Address And Stacey Abrams’ Response | NBC News

absorbing the ovation of the Congress assembled there and see now gets ready to deliver his second State of the Union [Applause] thank you very much madam Speaker mr. vice president members of Congress the first lady of the United States and my fellow Americans we meet tonight at a moment of unlimited potential as we begin a new Congress I stand here ready to work with you to achieve historic breakthroughs for all Americans millions of our fellow citizens are watching us now gathered in this great chamber hoping that we will govern not as two parties but as one nation the agenda I will lay out this evening is not a Republican agenda or a Democrat agenda it's the agenda of the American people many of us have campaigned on the same core promises to defend American jobs and demand fair trade for American workers to rebuild and revitalize our nation's infrastructure to reduce the price of health care and prescription drugs to create an immigration system that is safe lawful modern and secure and to pursue a foreign policy that puts America's interest first there is a new opportunity in American politics if only we have the courage together to seize it victory is not winning for our party victory is winning for our country this year America will recognize two important anniversaries that show us the majesty of America's mission and the power of American pride in June we mark 75 years since the start of what General Dwight D Eisenhower called the Great Crusade the Allied liberation of Europe in World War two on d-day June 6 1944 15,000 young American men jumped from the sky and 60,000 more stormed in from the sea to save our civilization from tyranny here with us tonight are three of those incredible heroes private first class Joseph Reilly Staff Sergeant Irving Locker and Sergeant Herman zhichen gentlemen we salute you in 2019 we also celebrate 50 years since brave young pilots flew a quarter of a million miles through space to plant the American flag on the face of the moon half a century later we are joined by one of the Apollo 11 astronauts who planted that flag Buzz Aldrin Thank You buzz this year American astronauts will go back to space on American Rockets twentieth century America saved freedom transform science redefined the middle-class and when you get down to it there's nothing anywhere in the world that can compete with America now we must step boldly and bravely into the next chapter of this great American adventure and we must create a new standard of living for the 21st century an amazing quality of life for all of our citizens is within reach we can make our community safer our family stronger our culture richer our faith deeper and our middle-class bigger and more prosperous than ever before but we must reject the politics of revenge resistance and retribution and embrace the boundless potential of cooperation compromise and the common good together we can break decades of political stalemate we can bridge all divisions heal old wounds build new coalition's forge new solutions and unlock the extraordinary promise of America's future the decision is ours to make we must choose between greatness or gridlock results or resistance vision or vengeance incredible progress or pointless destruction tonight I ask you to choose greatness over the last two years my administration has moved with urgency and historic speed to confront problems neglected by leaders of both parties over many decades in just over two years since the election we have launched an unprecedented economic boom a boom that has rarely been seen before there's been nothing like it we have created 5.3 million new jobs and importantly added 600,000 new manufacturing jobs something which almost everyone said was impossible to do but the fact is we are just getting started wages are rising at the fastest pace in decades and growing for blue-collar workers who I promised to fight for they're growing faster than anyone else thought possible nearly 5 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps the US economy is growing almost twice as fast today as when I took office and we are considered far and away the hottest economy anywhere in the world not even close unemployment has reached the lowest rate in over half a century african-american Hispanic American and Asian American unemployment have all reached their lowest levels ever recorded unemployment for Americans with disabilities has also reached an all-time low are working now than at any time in the history of our country 157 million people at work we passed a massive tax cut for working families and doubled the child tax credit we virtually ended the estate tax or death tax as it is often called on small businesses for ranches and also for family farms we eliminated the very unpopular Obamacare individual mandate penalty and you give critically ill patients access to life-saving cures we passed very importantly right to try my administration has cut more regulations in a short period of time than any other administration during its entire tenure companies are coming back to our country in large numbers thanks to our historic reductions in taxes and regulations and we have unleashed a revolution in American energy the United States is now the number one producer of oil and natural gas anywhere in the world and now for the first time in 65 years we are a net exporter of energy after 24 months of rapid progress our economy is the envy of the world our military is the most powerful on earth by far and America America is again winning each and every day members of Congress the state of our union is strong [Applause] that sounds so good our country is vibrant and our economy is thriving like never before when Friday it was announced that we added another three hundred and four thousand jobs last month alone almost double the number expected an economic miracle is taking place in the United States and the only thing that can stop it are foolish Wars politics or ridiculous partisan investigations if there is going to be peace and legislation there cannot be war and investigation it just doesn't work that way we must be united at home to defeat our adversaries abroad this new era of cooperation can start with finally confirming the more than 300 highly qualified nominees who are still stuck in the Senate in some cases years and years waiting not right the Senators failed to act on these nominations which is unfair to the nominees and very unfair to our country now is the time for bipartisan action believe it or not we have already proven that that's possible in the last Congress both parties came together to pass unprecedented legislation to confront the opioid crisis a sweeping new farm bill historic VA reforms and after four decades of rejection we passed VA accountability so that we can finally terminate those who mistreat our wonderful veterans and just weeks ago both parties united for groundbreaking criminal justice reform they said it couldn't be done last year I heard through friends the story of Alice Johnson I was deeply moved in 1997 Alice was sentenced to life in prison as a first-time nonviolent drug offender over the next 22 years she became a prison minister inspiring others to choose a better path she had a big impact on that prison population and far beyond Alice's story underscores the disparities and unfairness that can exist in criminal sentencing and the need to remedy this total injustice she served almost that 22 years and had expected to be in prison for the remainder of her life in June I commuted Alice's sense when I saw Alice's beautiful family greet her at the prison gates hugging and kissing and crying and laughing I knew I did something right Alice is with us tonight and she is a terrific woman terrific Alice please Alice thank you for reminding us that we always have the power to shape our own destiny thank you very much Alice thank you very much inspired by stories like Alice's my administration worked closely with members of both parties to sign the first-step Act into law big deal this legislation reformed sentencing laws that have wrongly and disproportionately harmed the african-american community the first-step Act gives nonviolent offenders the chance to reenter society as productive law-abiding citizens now states across the country are following our lead America is a nation that believes in Redemption we are also joined tonight by matthew charles from tennessee in 1996 at the age of 30 matthew was sentenced to 35 years for selling drugs and related offenses over the next two decades he completed more than 30 Bible studies became a law clerk and mentored many of his fellow inmates now Matthew is the very first person to be released from prison under the first-step Act Thank You Matthew welcome home now Republicans and Democrats must join forces again to confront an urgent national crisis Congress has in days left to pass a bill that will fund our government protect our homeland and secure our very dangerous southern border now is the time for Congress to show the world that America is committed to ending illegal immigration and putting the ruthless coyotes cartels drug dealers and human traffickers out of business as we speak large organized caravans are on the march to the United States we have just heard that Mexican cities in order to remove the illegal immigrants from their communities are getting trucks and buses to bring them up to our country in areas where there is little border protection I have ordered another three thousand seven hundred and fifty troops to our southern border to prepare for this tremendous onslaught this is a moral issue the lawless state of our southern border is a threat to the safety security and financial well-being of all America we have a moral duty to create an immigration system that protects the lives and jobs of our citizens this includes our obligation to the millions of immigrants living here today who followed the rules and respected our laws legal immigrants enrich our nation and strengthen our society in countless ways I want people to come into our country in the largest numbers ever but they have to come in Legally tonight I am asking you to defend our very dangerous southern border out of love and devotion to our fellow citizens and to our country no issue better illustrates to divide between America's working class and America's political class than illegal immigration wealthy politicians and donors push for open borders while living their lives behind walls and gates and guards meanwhile working-class Americans are left to pay the price for mass illegal immigration reduce jobs lower wages overburdened schools hospitals that are so crowded you can't get in increased crime and a depleted social safety net tolerance for illegal immigration is not compassionate it is actually very cruel one in three women is sexually assaulted on the long journey north smugglers use migrant children as human pawns to exploit our laws and gain access to our country human traffickers and sex traffickers take advantage of the wide open areas between our ports of entry to smuggle thousands of young girls and women into the United States and to sell them into prostitution and modern-day slavery tens of thousands of innocent Americans are killed by lethal drugs that cross our border and flood into our cities including meth heroin cocaine and fentanyl the savage gang ms-13 now operates in at least 20 different American states and they almost all come through our southern border just yesterday an ms-13 gang member was taken into custody for a fatal shooting on a subway platform in New York City we are removing these gang members by the thousands but until we secure our border they're going to keep streaming right back in year after year countless Americans are murdered by criminal illegal aliens I've gotten to know many wonderful angel moms and dads and families no one should ever have to suffer the horrible heartache that they have had to endure here tonight is Debra Bissell just three weeks ago Debra's parents Gerald and Sharon were burglarized and shot to death in their Reno Nevada home by an illegal alien they were in their 80s and are survived by four children 11 grandchildren and 20 great-grandchildren also here tonight are Gerald and Sharon's granddaughter Heather and great-granddaughter Madison – Debra had their Madison please stand few can understand your pain thank you and thank you for being here thank you very much I will never forget and I will fight for the memory of Gerald and share that it should never happen again not one more American life should be lost because our nation failed to control it's very dangerous border in the last two years our brave ice officers made two hundred and sixty-six thousand arrests of criminal aliens including those charged or convicted of nearly 100,000 assaults thirty thousand sex crimes and four thousand killings or murders we are joined tonight by one of those law enforcement heroes ice Special Agent Elvin Hernandez when Elvin when Elvan was a boy he and his family legally immigrated to the United States from the Dominican Republic at the age of eight Elvin told his dad he wanted to become a special agent today he leads investigations into the scourge of international sex trafficking Elvin says that if I can make sure these young girls get their justice I've really done my job thanks to his work and that of his incredible colleagues more than 300 women and girls have been rescued from the horror of this terrible situation and more than 1500 sadistic traffickers have been put behind bars we will always support the brave men and women of law enforcement and I pledge to you tonight that I will never abolish our heroes from ice thank you my administration has sent to Congress a common-sense proposal to end the crisis on the southern border it includes humanitarian assistance more law enforcement drug detection at our ports closing loopholes that enable child smuggling and plans for a new physical barrier or wall to secure the vast areas between our ports of entry in the past most of the people in this room voted for a wall but the proper wall never got built I will get it built this is a smart strategic see-through steel barrier not just a simple concrete wall it will be deployed in the areas identified by the border agents as having the greatest need and these agents will tell you where walls go up illegal crossings go way way down San Diego used to have the most illegal border crossings in our country in response a strong security wall was put in place this powerful barrier almost completely ended illegal crossings the border city of El Paso Texas used to have extremely high rates of violent crime one of the highest in the entire country and considered one of our nation's most dangerous cities now immediately upon its building with a powerful barrier in place El Paso is one of the safest cities in our country simply put walls work and walls save lives so let's work together compromise and reach a deal that will truly make America safe as we work to defend our people safety we must also ensure our economic resurgence continues at a rapid pace no one has benefited more from our thriving economy than women who have filled 58% of the newly created jobs last year [Applause] you weren't supposed to do that thank you very much thank you very much all Americans can be proud that we have more women in the workforce than ever before don't sit yet you know like this and exactly one century after Congress passed the constitutional amendment giving women the right to vote we also have more women serving in Congress than at any time before that's great [Applause] and congratulations that's great as part of our commitment to improving opportunity for women everywhere this Thursday we are launching the first-ever government-wide initiative focused on economic empowerment for women in developing countries to build on building our incredible economic success one priority is parama reversing decades of calamitous trade policies so bad we are now making it clear to China that after years of targeting our industries and stealing our intellectual property the theft of American jobs and wealth has come to an end therefore we recently imposed tariffs on two hundred and fifty billion dollars of Chinese goods and now our Treasury is receiving billions and billions of dollars but I don't blame China for taking advantage of us I blame our leaders and representatives for allowing this travesty to happen I have great respect for President Xi and we are now working on a new trade deal with China but it must include real structural change to end unfair trade practices reduce our chronic trade deficit and protect American jobs another historic trade blunder was the catastrophe known as NAFTA I have met the men and women of Michigan Ohio Pennsylvania Indiana New Hampshire and many other states whose dreams were shattered by the signing of NAFTA for years politicians promised them they would renegotiate for a better deal but no one ever tried until now our new US Mexico Canada Agreement the u.s. MCA will replace NAFTA and deliver for American workers like they haven't had delivered to for a long time I hope you can pass the u.s. MCA into law so that we can bring back our manufacturing jobs and even greater numbers expand American agriculture protect intellectual property and ensure that more cars are proudly stamped with our four beautiful words made in the USA tonight I am also asking you to pass the United States reciprocal trade act so that if another country places and unfair tariffs on an American product we can charge them the exact same tariff on the exact same product that they sell to us party should be able to unite for a great rebuilding of America's crumbling infrastructure I know that Congress is eager to pass an infrastructure bill and I am eager to work with you or legislation to deliver new and important infrastructure investment including investments in the cutting edge industries of the future this is not an option this is a necessity the next major priority for me and for all of us should be to lower the cost of health care and prescription drugs and to protect patients with pre-existing conditions already as a result of my administration's efforts in 2018 drug prices experienced their single largest decline in 46 years but we must do more it's unacceptable that Americans pay vastly more than people in other countries for the exact same drugs often made in the exact same place this is wrong this is unfair and together we will stop it and we'll stop it fast I'm asking Congress to pass legislation that finally takes on the problem of global freeloading and delivers fairness and price transparency for American patients finally we should also require drug companies insurance companies and hospitals to disclose real prices to foster competition and bring costs way down no force in history has done more to advance the human condition than American freedom in recent years in recent years we have made remarkable progress in the fight against HIV and AIDS scientific breakthroughs have brought a once distant dream Within Reach my budget will ask Democrats and Republicans to make the needed commitment to eliminate the HIV epidemic in the United States within ten years we have made incredible strides incredible together we will defeat age in America and beyond tonight I am also asking you to join me in another fight that all Americans can get behind the fight against childhood cancer joining Melania in the gallery this evening is a very brave 10 year old girl Gracie line every birthday [Applause] hi grace every birthday since she was four grace asked her friends to donate to st. Jude's Children's Hospital she did not know that one day she might be a patient herself that's what happened last year grace was diagnosed with brain cancer immediately she began radiation treatment at the same time she rallied her community and raised more than 40 thousand dollars for the fight against cancer when grace completed treatment last fall her doctors and nurses cheered they loved her they still loved her with tears in their eyes as she hung up a poster that read last day of chemo [Applause] thank you very much grace you are a great inspiration to everyone in this room thank you very much many childhood cancers have not seen new therapies in decades my budget will ask Congress for 500 million dollars over the next ten years to fund this critical life-saving research to help support working parents the time has come to pass school choice for Americans children I'm also proud to be the first president to include of my budget a plan for nationwide paid family leave so that every new parent has the chance to bond with their newborn child there could be no greater contrast to the beautiful image of a mother holding her infant child then the chilling displays our nation saw in recent days lawmakers in New York cheered with delight upon the passage of legislation that would allow a baby to be ripped from the mother's womb moments from birth these are living feeling beautiful babies who will never get the chance to share their love and their dreams with the world and then we had the case of the governor of Virginia where he stated he would execute a baby after birth to defend the dignity of every person I am asking Congress to pass legislation to prohibit the late term abortion of children let us work together to build a culture that cherishes innocent life and let us reaffirm a fundamental truth all children born and unborn are made in the holy image of God the final part of my agenda is to protect American security over the last two years we have begun to fully rebuild the United States military with 700 billion dollars last year and 716 billion dollars this year we are also getting other nations to pay their fair share for years the United States was being treated very unfairly by friends of ours members of NATO but now we have secured over the last couple of years more than 100 billion dollars of increase in defense spending from our NATO allies they set a career day very build up the United States is developing a state-of-the-art missile defense system under my administration we will never apologize for advancing America's interests for example decades ago the United States entered into a treaty with Russia in which we agreed to limit and reduce our missile capability well we followed the agreement and the rules to the letter Russia repeatedly violated its terms it's been going on for many years that is why I announced that the United States is officially withdrawing from the intermediate-range nuclear forces treaty or INF treaty perhaps we really have no choice perhaps we can negotiate a different agreement adding China and others or perhaps we can't in which case we will out spend and out-innovate all others by far as part of a bold new diplomacy we continue our historic push for peace on the Korean Peninsula our hostages have come home nuclear testing has stopped and there has not been a missile launch in more than 15 months if I had not been elected president of the United States we would right now in my opinion be in a major war with North Korea much work remains to be done but my relationship with Kim jong-un is a good one chairman Kim and I will meet again on February 27th and 28th in Vietnam two weeks ago the United States officially recognized the legitimate government of Venezuela and its new president we stand with the Venezuelan people in their noble quest for freedom and we condemned the brutality of the Maduro regime who socialist policies have turned that nation from being the wealthiest in South America into a state of abject poverty and despair here in the United States we are alarmed by the new calls to adopt socialism in our country America was founded on liberty and independence and not government coercion domination and control we are born free and we will stay tonight we renew our resolve that America will never be a socialist country [Applause] one of the most complex set of challenges we face and have for many years is in the Middle East our approach is based on principle realism not discredited theories that have failed for decades to yield progress for this reason my administration recognized the true capital of Israel and proudly opened the American Embassy injuries our brave troops have now been fighting in the Middle East for almost 19 years in Afghanistan and Iraq nearly 7,000 American heroes have given their lives more than 52,000 Americans have been badly wounded we have spent more than seven trillion dollars in fighting wars in the Middle East as a candidate for president I loudly pledged a new approach great nations do not fight endless wars when I took office Isis controlled more than 20,000 square miles in Iraq and Syria just two years ago today we have liberated virtually all of the territory from the grip of these blood thirsty monsters now as we work with our allies to destroy the remnants of Isis it is time to give up brave warriors in Syria a warm welcome home I have also accelerated our negotiations to reach if possible a political settlement in Afghanistan the opposing side is also very happy to be negotiating our troops have fought with unmatched valor and thanks to their bravery we are now able to pursue a possible political solution to this long and bloody conflict in Afghanistan my administration is holding constructive talks with a number of Afghan groups including the Taliban as we make progress in these negotiations we will be able to reduce our troops presence and focus on counter terrorism and we will indeed focus on counter terrorism we do not know whether we'll achieve an agreement but we do know that after two decades of war the hour has come to at least try for peace and the other side would like to do the same thing it's time above all friend and foe alike was never doubt this nation's power and will to defend our people eighteen years ago violent terrorists attacked the USS Cole and last month American forces killed one of the leaders of that attack we are honored to be joined tonight by Tom Whibley whose son Navy Seaman Craig dribbling was one of the 17 sailors we tragically lost Tom we vow to always remember the heroes of the USS Cole thank you my administration has acted decisively to confront the world's leading state sponsor of Terror the radical regime in Iran it is a radical regime they do bad bad things to ensure this corrupt dictatorship never acquires nuclear weapons I withdrew the United States from the disastrous Iran nuclear deal we put in place the toughest sanctions ever imposed by us on a country we will not avert our eyes from a regime that chants death to America and threatens genocide against the Jewish people we must never ignore the vile poison of anti-semitism or those who spread its venomous Creed with one voice we must confront this hatred anywhere and everywhere it occurs just months ago eleven Jewish Americans were viciously murdered in an anti-semitic attack on the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh SWAT officer Timothy Matson raced into the gunfire and was shot seven times chasing down the killer and he was very successful Timothy has just had his 12th surgery and he's going in for many more but he made the trip to be here with us tonight officer Matson please [Applause] thank you we are forever grateful thank you very much tonight we are also joined by Pittsburgh survivor Judah salmon he arrived at the synagogue as the massacre began but not only did Judah narrowly escaped death last fall more than seven decades ago he narrowly survived the Nazi concentration camps today is Judas 81st birthday [Applause] [Applause] [Applause] they wouldn't do that for me Judah juda says he can still remember the exact moment nearly 75 years ago after 10 months in a concentration camp when he and his family were put on a train and told they were going to another camp suddenly the train screeched to a very strong halt a soldier appeared Judah's family braced for the absolute worse than his father cried out with joy it's the Americans it's the Americans thank you a second Holocaust survivor who was here tonight Joshua Kaufman was a prisoner at Dachau he remembers watching through a hole in the wall of a cattle car as American soldiers rolled in with tanks to me Joshua recalls the American soldiers were proof that God exists and they came down from the sky they came down from heaven I began this evening by honoring three soldiers who fought on d-day in the Second World War one of them was Herman zhichen but there is more to Herman story a year after he stormed the beaches of Normandy Herman was one of the American soldiers who helped liberate Dachau he was one of the Americans who helped rescue Joshua from that hell on earth almost 75 years later Herrmann and Joshua are both together in the gallery tonight seated side by side here in the home of American freedom Herrmann and Joshua your presence this evening is very much appreciated thank you very much [Applause] thank you when American soldiers said that beneath the dark skies over the English Channel in the early hours of d-day 1944 they were just young men of eighteen and nineteen hurtling on fragile landing craft toward the most momentous battle in the history of war they did not know if they would survive the hour they did not know if they would grow old but they knew that America had to prevail their cause was this nation and generations yet unborn why did they do it they did it for America they did it for us everything that has come since our triumph over communism our giant leaps of science and discovery our unrivaled progress towards equality and justice all of it is possible thanks to the blood and tears and courage and vision of the Americans who came before think of this Capitol think of this very chamber where lawmakers before you voted to end slavery to build the railroads and the highways and defeat fascism to secure civil rights and to face down evil empires here tonight we have legislators from across this magnificent Republic you have come from the rocky shores of Maine and the volcanic Peaks of Hawaii from the snowy woods of Wisconsin and the red deserts of Arizona from the green farms of Kentucky and the golden beaches of California together we represent the most extraordinary nation in all of history what will we do with this moment how will we be remembered I asked the men and women of this Congress looked at the opportunities before us our most thrilling achievements are still ahead our most exciting journeys still await our biggest victories are still to come we have not yet begun to dream we must choose whether we are defined by our differences or whether we dare to transcend them we must use whether we squander our great inheritance or whether we proudly declare that we are Americans we do the incredible we defy the impossible we conquer the unknown this is the time to reignite the American imagination this is the time to search for the tallest summit and set our sights on the brightest star this is the time to rekindle the bonds of love and loyalty and memory that link us together as citizens as neighbors as Patriots this is our future our fate and our choice to make I am asking you to choose greatness no matter the trials we face no matter the challenges to come we must go forward together we must keep America first in our hearts we must keep freedom alive in our souls and we must always keep faith in America's destiny that one nation under God must be the hope and the promise and the light and the glory among all the nations of the world thank you god bless you and God bless america thank you president united states completing his State of the Union speech longer than last year over a hundred an hour in 21 minutes some five thousand words a speech that covered the gamut from immigration to AIDS and cancer research and then patriotic themes as we wound down the last couple of days states of the union always have a little something for everybody in this case there was a lot of immigration I think that was the topic the president spoke on more than any other he talked about the economy in this country shorter time on foreign policy one line on education as far as I can tell very interesting Chuck that he did actually mention the Russia investigated not by name but he did talk about investigations and how a investigation that goes on was ultimately contrary to the work of the American people he was trying to do which is something I remember in the Bill Clinton era Nixon did it at one of his state of the unions to try to make the investigations seem like they're getting away of the agenda and and you don't want that because it was all done American that that he was going there that that's right that it was gonna stand in the way on that front but well this speech was if they're the only coherent like moment when I say coherent meaning murder there was a thematic push where you felt like they had a point to make was on immigration and the standoff with Congress everything else felt like it was all meant to be just additive to the basic point that he wanted to make about his wall and immigration like that was the most well thought off part of the speech and well argue part of the speech may not agree with it everything else felt like additive to just stay focused let me bring in Andrea what stood out to you on that point the walls make a safe line reinforced that he wants that wall he says he wants to compromise they're only ten days left but he was standing by the wall he didn't revert to what he said earlier in a tweet today which is that people can be walls so he wasn't offering any semantic cover story there on foreign policy he misstates the situation on Iran again in contrast to what his own intelligence officials said to Congress to this very Congress just days ago misstates what the reality is about the INF treaty in Russia so a lot of a lot of fact-checking and of course announces this second summit with Kim Jong on February 27th and 28th in Vietnam but he doesn't disclose that there has been no duty nuclearization does give them credit for not testing here's the president leaving the hall and of course doing a lot of flat handing on the way Casey hunt is in the building had a different view than we did a couple of things Casey first of all some eagle-eyed viewers noticed that we didn't get that moment at the beginning of this speech where the speaker of the house traditionally introduces the president which then unleashes another round of applause we didn't see that and then there was a big moment where the president referred to the women now elected to Congress and I guess the crowd went wild that's right Savannah this was really remarkable in how many moments stood out throughout the course of this speech that's not often the case in these addresses and it started right at the beginning when the protocol was that Nancy Pelosi in something of an honor to the president was supposed to introduce him to members of Congress and frankly President Trump just blew right through that it had been on all of the official schedules and planning that she was going to do that and he just started right in without her definitely a breach of protocol there and of course everyone paying close attention to their relationship you know the moment where there was the most applause in the chamber was actually when the president started talking about the unemployment rate among women and at the number of women who have gotten jobs this year of course all of the women here in the chamber immediately took that as him talking about them and in many cases they defeated Republican men to win their seats and ultimately it ended in a chant that was chamber wide of USA USA it was a major contrast even Republicans joined in on that chant the other two times that that happened here it was Republicans who were doing that and of course another startling moment not of course to do with the women in the chamber but when the entire crowd sang happy birthday to the 81 year old Holocaust survivor who also was a survivor of that terrible shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue in some way ease was a lot otherwise a lot of attention on that attention a lot of partisanship well I think that the president should be happy about that those will at least dominate what I think is going to be a more as you said in a very poorly received speech among them and the president has made his way out of the House chambers now we will take a short break and come back with Stacey Abrams delivering the Democratic response as our live coverage of the State of the Union continues on NBC News we're back with our state of the union coverage on NBC and we are just moments away from the Democratic response to the President's speech somewhat unconventional choice this year at stacey abrams who of course drew national attention during her campaign for Georgia's governor last year lost narrowly but earned a reputation as someone to watch a rising political star we will check in on her address in a moment but while we have a couple of minutes let's go to NBC's chief White House correspondent Hallie Jackson who watched the speech and Hallie what did you hear that surprised you in this speech there was no declaration of a national emergency Savannah which wasn't surprising in and of itself we had heard that from White House sources that we'd talked to that the president was not likely to bypass Congress to be able to find the money that he wanted for that border wall that he wants by doing so but what was interesting is it took him about 25 minutes to tee up to immigration once he hit it though he hit it hard and Democrats in the room as you have been talking about were not pleased about this there were audible groans in the chamber when you heard the president reference a migrant caravan at one point for example the president tried to build the case for why he wanted a wall saying it would prevent bad actors drugs for example from coming across the border keep in mind though that the majority of both foreigners with criminal records and illegal drugs coming over the border are captured product legal ports of entry places where a wall wouldn't stop that you also had the president dealing with semantics a bit he talked about wanting a smart strategic see-through barrier in other words perhaps enhanced fencing which you could call it that is something that Democrats may be able to ultimately get on board with but with 10 days to go until this second shutdown looms there's still a question of whether they'll be able to find common ground on that and the president clearly put a lot of things out there that there might be common ground AIDS cancer research so there's a lot to choose from potentially yeah and listen he started his speech the big a big chunk of it they're talking about criminal justice reform in the first-step Act which to date has been one of the biggest pieces of policy that his administration has come out with that has had bipartisan support so I think it was a notable choice we'd been told before the speech that he was going to talk about criminal who's reformed more than expected I think it's notable that he led with that that Alice Johnson moment was another special one Lester all right Hallie thank you it's in here now from Atlanta Georgia is Stacey Abrams she will have a Democratic response this is only the second time we've seen someone do the response who does not currently hold elected office let's go to Georgia now and Stacey Abrams good evening my fellow Americans and happy Lunar New Year I'm Stacey Abrams and I'm honored to join the conversation about the state of our union growing up my family went back and forth between lower middle-class and working-class yet even when they came home weary and boned tired my parents found a way to show us all who we could be my librarian mother taught us to love learning my father a shipyard worker put in overtime in extra shifts and they made sure we volunteered to help others later they both became United Methodist ministers an expression of the faith that guides us these were our family values faith service education and responsibility now we only had one car so sometimes my dad had to hitchhike and walk long stretches during the 30 mile trip home from the shipyards one rainy night my mom got worried we piled in the car and went out looking for him and we eventually found my dad making his way along the road soaked and shivering and his shirtsleeves when he got in the car my mom asked if he'd left his coat at work he explained that he'd given it to a homeless man he'd met on the highway when we asked why he'd given away his only jacket my dad turned to us and said I knew when I left that man he'd still be alone but I could give him my coat because I knew you were coming for me our power and strength as Americans lives in our hard work and our belief in more my family understood firsthand that while success is not guaranteed we live in a nation where opportunity is possible but we do not succeed loan in these United States when times are tough we can persevere because our friends and neighbors will come for us our first responders will come for us it is this mantra this uncommon grace of community that has driven me to become an attorney a small business owner a writer and most recently the Democratic nominee for governor of Georgia my reason for running was simple I love our country and its promise of opportunity for all and I stand here tonight because I hold fast to my father's credo together we are coming for America for a better America just a few weeks ago I joined volunteers to distribute meals to furloughed federal workers they waited in line for a box of food and a sliver of hope since they hadn't received paychecks in weeks making livelihoods of our federal workers upon four political games is a disgrace the shutdown was a stunt engineered by the President of the United States one that defied every tenet of fairness and abandoned not just our people but our values for seven years I led the Democratic Party in the Georgia House of Representatives I didn't always agree with the Republican speaker or governor but I understood that our constituents didn't care about our political parties they cared about their lives so when we had to negotiate criminal justice reform or transportation or foster care improvements the leaders of our state didn't shut down we came together and we kept our word it should be no different in our nation's capital we may come from different sides of the political aisle but our joint commitment to the ideals of this nation cannot be negotiable our most urgent work is to realize Americans dreams of today and tomorrow to carve a path to independence and prosperity that can last a lifetime children deserve an excellent education from krei – career we owe them safe schools and the highest standards regardless of zip code yet this White House responds timidly while first graders practice active shooter drills and the price of higher education grows ever steeper from now on our leaders must be willing to tackle gun safety measures and face the crippling effect of educational loans to support educators and invest what is necessary to unleash the power of America's greatest minds in Georgia and around the country people are striving for a middle class where a salary truly equals economic security but instead family's hopes are being crushed by Republican leadership that ignores real life or just doesn't understand it under the current administration far too many hardworking Americans are falling behind living paycheck to paycheck most without labor unions to protect them from even worse harm the Republican tax bill rigged the system against working people rather than bringing back jobs plants are closing layoffs are looming and wages struggle to keep pace with the actual cost of living we owe more to the millions of everyday folks who keep our economy running like truck drivers forced to buy their own rigs farmers caught in a trade war small business owners in search of capital and domestic workers serving without labor protections women and men who could thrive if only they had the support and freedom to do so we know bipartisanship could craft a 21st century immigration plan but this administration chooses to cage children and tear families apart compassionate treatment at the border is not the same as open borders President Reagan understood this President Obama understood this Americans understand this and Democrats stand ready to effectively secure our ports and borders but we must all embrace that from agriculture to health care entrepreneurship America is made stronger by the presence of immigrants not walls and rather than suing to dismantle the Affordable Care Act as a Republican attorneys general have our leaders must protect the progress we've made and commit to expanding health care and lowering cost for everyone my father has battled prostate cancer for years to help cover the cost I found myself sinking deeper into debt because while you can defer some payments you can't defer cancer treatment in this great nation Americans are skipping blood pressure pills forced to choose between buying medicine or paying rent maternal mortality rates show that mothers especially black mothers risk death to give birth and in 14 states including my home state where a majority wanted our leaders refused to expand Medicaid which could save rural hospitals save economies and save lives we can do so much more take action on climate change defend individual liberties with fair-minded judges but none of these ambitions are possible without the bedrock guarantee of our right to vote let's be clear voter suppression is real from making it harder to register and stay on the rolls to moving and closing polling places to rejecting lawful ballots we can no longer ignore these threats to democracy well I acknowledge the results of the 2018 election here in Georgia I did not and we cannot accept efforts to undermine our right to vote that's why I started a nonpartisan organization called fair fight to advocate for voting rights this is the next battle for our democracy when we're all eligible citizens can have their say about the vision we want for our country we must reject the cynicism that says allowing every eligible vote to be cast and counted is a power grab Americans understand that these are the values our brave men and women in uniform and our veterans risk their lives to defend the foundation of our moral leadership around the globe is free and fair elections where voters pick their leaders not where politicians pick their voters in this time of division and crisis we must come together and stand for and with one another America has stumbled time and again on its quest towards justice and equality but with each generation we have revisited our fundamental truths and where we falter we make amends we fought Jim Crow with the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act yet who we continue to confront racism from our past and in our present which is why we must hold everyone from the highest offices to our own families accountable for racist words and deeds and call racism what it is wrong America achieves a measure of reproductive justice in roe v– wade but we must never forget it is immoral to allow politicians to harm women and families to advance a political agenda we affirmed marriage equality and yet the LGBTQ community remains under attack so even as I am very disappointed by the president's approach to our problems I still don't want him to fail but we need him to tell the truth and to respect his duties and respect the extraordinary diversity that defines America our progress has always been found in the refuge in the Basic Instinct of the American experiment to do right by our people and with a renewed commitment to social and economic justice we will create a stronger America together because America wins by fighting for our shared values against all enemies foreign and domestic that is who we are and when we do so never wavering the state of our union will always be strong thank you and may God bless the United States of America we've been listening to Stacey Abrams who of course came very close to winning the Georgia governor's race but did not she's a Democrat she was the Minority Leader of the Georgia House for some time and that is not an easy thing to do there are lots of lots of tails of people who've done the opposition party's response and it's not gone so well she didn't take the President on directly but it was clear who she was talking she had ten minutes one thing she didn't do is let the Republicans get away with the shutdown that was something that was not mentioned whatsoever during the State of the Union but she let him have it she did she scolded the president she said that it was a stunt it was a stunt engineered by the President of the United States she said making their livelihoods a pawn for political games is a disgrace that was a really important statement a very effective speaker and also denouncing voter fraud she says that is real and racism this was a strong speech but also at the end saying we don't want the president to fail we want him to see succeed we want him to tell the truth I thought that she had a lot of strong points she's gonna be on the ballot in 2020 she's probably running for the United States Senate in Georgia in 2020 Democrats are what you will and she did nothing tonight to dissuade them from wanting to recruit her well Alexandria Ocasio Cortes was elected to the House from New York last November just weeks after her 29th birthday she's a progressive Democrat a favorite target of conservatives and already so well known she can go by just her initials AOC and she joins us from Capitol Hill congresswoman good evening thank you for joining us good evening thank you so much for having me the president laid out a lot there but in the early part of his speech he talked about governing not as two parties but one nation the sense of embracing compromise did you hear things you didn't expect to hear that might make you think there's room to work with this president and the rest of this Congress well I I will say most of the speech was pretty disappointing but there were moments I do think that the nod to criminal justice for is one one avenue where we can really come together in advance our common our common cause I also think that there is a great possibility for us to build and create jobs with mass infrastructure investments how we make that investment I think is obviously up for a debate and it's a major point of debate but I think those two issues are very strong ones for us to come together on he also made points about investigations and suggesting that some of the I think he called a partisan investigations get in the way of growing our economy how did you react to that well I thought it was frankly kind of bizarre I don't think that investigations into federal misconduct have anything to do with our economy and I mean the fact of the matter is 3,000 Americans died in a dysfunctional and irresponsible response to Hurricane Maria we have had children die in in DHS custody we have had the you know mass violation of Human Rights and separating children from their parents and I think that the desire to not investigate that is a partisan request in in any administration no matter what party the president is from if such dysfunction happened Congress would have a requirement to to really investigate those things and without doing so we'd be abdicating our responsibility congressman before I let you go there was a moment a couple of moments in the speech actually where the president talked about socialism he started talking about what's happening of course in Venezuela but then he said here in the United States we are alarmed by new calls to adopt socialism in our country you of course have identified yourself as a democratic socialist do you think he was talking to you I mean I think that there's a there's certainly a major coincidence if not you know if that's not the least of it with me and several others coming in in this Congress and him choosing to send that message in this state of the union but I think ultimately what we see is that the vast vast majority of Americans believe that you should be able to feed your family on 40 hours a week and we believe that health care is a right we believe that work should be dignified and we believe that all people should be accepted regardless of their race gender or ethnic socialism would be a winning message or a winning position in 2020 for Democrats well I think at the end of the day it's not about anism and I think that that's what exactly the president is trying to do he's trying to mischaracterize frame associate because our policies are so popular because we advance and fight for improved and expanded Medicare for all which has a seventy percent approval rating in the American public it's because we believe in that least a $15 minimum wage it's because we believe in the labor movement we believe in the unionization of workers we believe in we believe in the end of an agenda including a 70 percent marginal tax rate which now even a very large percentage of Republicans have been have been approving us and so I think what he's seeing is that he's losing the war on the issues and so he's gonna try to go ad hominem he's gonna try to call names he's gonna try to distract and we're not gonna let him do it we're gonna stay focused on our message and our cause congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio cortes freshman congressman from New York thank you for your time we really appreciate it of course thank you so much and when the border wall deadlocked led to a government shutdown last month hundreds of thousands of federal workers were stuck without a paycheck for more than a month that shutdown edit just over a week ago but the threat of another one remains so how do workers themselves feel about all this NBC's Ron Mott is with many of them tonight in Kansas City Ron describe the reaction what you're hearing there hey there Lester well we're at JJ's restaurant here in Kansas City and I guess the best place to start is Stacey Abrams and the rebuttal said that this was a shutdown engineered by the president how many of you a show of hands believe that so we've got it looks like four out of six here mark you didn't believe that the president engineered this shutdown no no so do you have any confidence that we won't be here again in ten days I'm not sure I hope not I hope we can come to an agreement you know I'm kind of tired of all the Washington politics or the arguing back and forth I'd like to see some partisan agreement come to a conclusion on what needs to be done to solve this problem what about you Logan if we'd be back here well if he declares the state of emergency we probably won't be back here they wouldn't need the Congress and he didn't mention that tonight no he didn't so I'm hoping he doesn't yes Stephanie do you have any confidence that you won't be back here in ten days looking for a paycheck I think the president has pretty good gut instincts and he doesn't think antenna groom is gonna come and I don't agree with him I think that he's probably correct Tandy you guys were thrust into this you didn't get to raise your hand to say yes I'll go home and not take a paycheck for five weeks was this worth it is this issue about a wall on the southern border worth it to you as a government worker no I didn't believe so I believe that the American worker is should be more valued than that law and lastly just a thumbs-up thumbs-down on the President's speech tonight back to you imagine that divisor division in there you know I think the question is now what's the headline tomorrow what changes tomorrow but is based on this speech done I think it's there's real doubt about whether they're gonna get a deal I think you there's serious question needs to be asked it's either gonna be a shutdown turn a tional emergency that didn't sound like a president ready to cut a deal so in that near-term and you ask what the sort of the fallout from the speech is I think it I think it's that 15 minutes in that speech was on the issue of immigration is he is he resting the rest of his presidency on this it felt to me and I thought about this as I was thinking about this speech the more time he spent on the wall and immigration the more to me it was a 2020 speech he seemed to be more worried about his political standing as he heads into 2020 as he heads into fights maybe for his own political future everything was about reinforcing that base even messages to evangelicals messages to to the pro-israel community he needs to keep close everything in the speech was designed to do that there was a lot of talk of bipartisanship and unity but do you feel it was a persuasive speech not on bipartisanship not on compromise I think there it will also be remembered for suggesting that investigations are in contrast to war and you know if you have investigations and war then you won't have economic growth and peace that is a false choice and it seems to be a very stark new twist in his I know that did hit a huge applause that was the one thing it did not get huge applause Republicans didn't even stand up for that for what it's worth well there always are that said you know you've got the White House and you have Congress and occasionally Congress says hey we are a co-equal branch and that has nothing to do with being a Republican or Democrat so perhaps that's the dynamic we were seeing there well that couldn't could there's gonna be a lot to talk about as we go forward but that concludes our coverage all right now the 2019 State of the Union a big night Savannah continues with you and Jimmy Phillip Allen's guest tonight so on The Tonight Show I'll try to be funny and we'll see you tomorrow morning bright and early for today you you

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How Fear Is Redrawing Our Maps and Infecting Our Politics w/ Ruben Andersson – MR Live – 6/11/19

with Sam's Sita the destiny of America is always safer in the hands of the people than in the conference rooms of any Elise they are unanimous we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence whether sought or unsought by the military-industrial complex so much our day report with sam cedar it is Tuesday June 11th 2019 my name is Sam cedar this the five-time award-winning majority report we are broadcasting live steps from the industrial era ravaged Gowanus Canal and the heartland of America downtown Brooklyn USA on the program today so shi'ite profession professor of anthropology at Oxford University Reuben Anderson on no go world how fear is redrawing our maps and infecting our politics also on the program today federal judge orders the last abortion clinic in Missouri open for at least two more weeks House passes IRS reform bill killing the so-called free file program which was a giveaway to tax preparation services meanwhile Warren Buddha judge on the move in Iowa Bernie marches with workers and Joe Biden still thinks the fever will break they know better Jared Kushner's business got ninety million dollars over the past two years from unknown offshore investors just that folks it's working and it's very exciting it's getting really good Wow New York may be the first state in the country to decriminalize sex work and South Carolina wants to add work requirements for Medicaid Democrats pull a congressional pay raise bill because of pushback and Reince Priebus joined the Navy all this and more on today's program yes that's not a huge story Reince Priebus you all remember Reince Priebus he was the former chair of the Republican National Party then the became chief of staff the first chief of staff for the Trump administration and I don't know it doesn't say in this thing I haven't seen any thing any elaboration on this but I'm going to do a very ad hoc place by thinking great now Sean Spicer tweeted out an image of Reince Priebus in his naval uniform getting sworn in by Mike Pence so preyus age 47 he joined the Navy he joined the Navy and apparently he was commissioned after a process and where a former defense secretary Jim mattis recommended him and a board of officers selected him as a reserve officer and he says you know I remembered my sister serve as a navy doctor and my father taught at the Naval Station and he felt called to serve after the an oval office meeting in which Trump met with his wife and children of senior chief petty officer William Ryan Owens a Navy SEAL officer who was killed in a Special Operations raid in Yemen so he was professionally recommended by a board and with four others to join the service through a competitive direct Commission program for Human Resources offices officer I I'm for the life of me I don't know exactly what's behind this I just hope that it is an indication that if you work for the Trump administration no one will hire you in the civilian world I wanted to lobby bear to make it easier to put toxins in the waterways they would give you a damn thing the whole thing is garbage wants to see the world emit away from his surprisingly hot wife I've always wanted to see the Orient what the hell is surprising about it I thought that story is complete garbage but that's I hope that's what it is but I don't think that it's only that there may be other things involved in this I mean while on the hill yesterday the House Judiciary Committee heard testimony from former White House Counsel John Dean was obviously Richard Nixon's White House Counsel went on to write extensively about Nixon and about authoritarians in our government that was 10 15 years ago he saw that the Republican Party was actually turning authoritarian saw the indications of that happening and he's been you know brought on various capacities as a as a commentator I'm not sure I fully get why I understand the sort of the thinking but it really is one-dimensional thinking and clever too clever by half I think by the Democrats to do this but it may be the best that they could do with Nancy Pelosi and we will talk about Nancy Pelosi we have that clip of her the Petersons god anyways so in lieu of of impeachment hearings we're getting this which is apparently just to set the table now of course it did create some attention and wherever there's attention there is milk shake Mac gets Matt gets loves a slushie on a hot floor today he is from the Florida Panhandle and here he is questioning John Dean he doesn't do a terribly good job but he does get humiliated and how do we know that Matt Gaetz felt he got humiliated I will tell you after the clip do you have personal knowledge regarding the truth or falsity of a single material fact in the Moller report I think if you recall the first thing I said I'm not here as a fact witness you're here to provide historical context exactly and throughout history you accused presidents of acting like Richard Nixon and you make money off of it right not all presidents now but a few more those who do act like him I pointed out let me ask you this question how do Democrats plan to pay for Medicare for all I'm sorry how do well I figured if we were gonna ask you about stuff you don't know about we'd start with the big stuff so do you know how they plan to pay for Medicare for all who the Democrats or which candidate or will be more specific let's get specific to Nixon since that appears to be why you're here duplicate Nixon did have a health care plan good yeah well do you believe if we if we turned the lights off here and maybe lit some candles got out a Ouija board we could potentially raise the specter of Richard Nixon I doubt that well it so now sounded much better from the mirror Matt right Matt Gaetz thought he was and basically he tried like three or four different tacks so I'm gonna go to this Oh John Dean actually may actually know how these candidates are gonna pay for their health care and I certainly don't want that to happen so let's talk about Nixon Oh Nixon had a health care and they all laughed at Matt Gaetz and what's even more important than my assessment that they all laughed at Matt's Gates his math Gates's assessment that they laughed at Matt Gaetz and how do I know that Matt Gaetz felt they all laughed at him because there is no intern in Matt's gaits office who would have made the decision on their own to edit that video and release it and hide the fact that John Dean owned Matt Gaetz in this exchange here is the video that has been put out by Matt Gaetz this is eerie folks eerie 50,000 people have watched this and they're missing the part where Matt Gaetz gets metaphorically slushied how they plan to pay for Medicare for all who the Democrats or which candidate or more specific let's get specific to Nixon since that appears to be why you're here if we turn the lights off here and maybe lit some candles got out a Ouija board we could potentially raise the specter of Richard Nixon there you go they cut out that whole moment the minutes sound as if people were chuckling at his weak joke yeah exactly yeah they because they got the tail end of the laughter here's the part again appears to be why you're here if we turn the lights off here so hey let's get specific to Nixon since that appears to be why you're here if we turn the lights off or well let's get specific – skipping me humiliating myself in a spectacular fashion calling Vick burger I'm well forget Vick bigger this should be all over the news in Florida I mean that is pretty stunning that he would edit it that way doctor in the public record yeah it really is and there's 50,000 people who watched his version already 50,000 people and you can bet a lot of those are his constituents folks one of today's sponsor is Skillshare anyone who goes to sk l dot s h slash majority report for is going to get two whole months totally free access to scale shares entire library of super quality online courses and tutorials Skillshare 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going to be talking to Professor Ruben Anderson on a no go world how fear is redrawing our maps and infecting our politics you we are back Sam cedar on the majority report on the phone it is a pleasure to welcome to the program anthropologist and associate professor at Oxford University author of or his latest I should say is no go world how fear is redrawing our maps and infecting our politics Reuben Anderson welcome to the program thank you very much now this is a follow-up to Italy illegality Inc clandestine migration and the business of bordering Europe which was largely an ethnography of of migrants and what just how did that book lead to this one right so I was working as an anthropologist on undocumented migration towards Europe from West Africa for many years that was what my first book was about this is obviously a huge story in the news right now border security fighting irregular migration that kind of thing we're seeing that at both the us-mexico border and in Europe and that's the story of my first book so I was following border guards and their attempts to crack down on migration build fences launch patrols including on African territory and I was following migrants in the border trying to cross these these borders so the new book no girl is about the same part of the world some extent about West Africa and the conflict insecurity instability that's hitting this part of the world right now and I guess one thing that ties the two together is really this issue migration and the politics of fear surrounding what's seen as uncontrolled migration from poorer countries towards the West the way in which is ties into particular mapping of the world into zones that are seen as sources of dangers of threats coming towards western borders so I look at this both in the case of the us-mexico border in the book and in the case of your but we're seeing more and more investments in border security more and more wall building and similar types of controls rolled out to hold this kind of movement you you talk about you know sir red red zones and green zones just I mean for the just so that we are all on the same page like what does that mean literally you may recall the old Baghdad green zone during the Iraq invasion there they were bunker top part of the city that set apart from local society were it's very difficult center for any locals I think in a way we're seeing a globalization of this idea of the Green Zone today on a global scale including at our borders where we gating up or borders trying to keep Outsiders away anything that scene is dangerous to our territories outside then lies the red zone and we see that depicted very clearly on various kind of risk advisories if you go to the State Department or if you go to any foreign ministry website in Europe you'll see maps of the world that are covered in red blotches of danger huge part of Africa apart from Mexico Central America the large chunks of Central Asia are now no-go zones out of our reach as it were part of the world we shouldn't coach so we're seeing increasingly this division of the world a peculiar mapping of the world into zones of safety and danger in this sense red and green zones and I think this says something about our moments is anxiety and fear that we see in our domestic politics in Western countries and we also see I think hear an echo of earlier times you know colonial times pre-colonial times in the ways in which certain parts of the world's were imagined back then and part of what I do in this new book is to head back into history and see what we can learn from those earlier times yeah what I mean give us a sense of those of those maps like how so there was I mean I feels like the the maps in the pre-colonial times would not be they would not be red or green there would just be maybe a question mark right as opposed to I mean is that I mean how would you characterize if you were to to oversee the I mean I guess to generalize the the evolution of these maps and these are obviously done from the perspective of largely of the West what what would that evolution mean what would it look like both literally but also what was the the subtext behind that yeah the first two to discuss the subtext they're important to point out that the mapping of the world which I talked about central in this book it's not simply about the picking the world around us is a way of narrating or place in the world of leaving out certain things emphasizing others telling a story about our place whether we are in that in that world and it's also a way of justifying certain kinds of interventions in that world and we see that going back all the way to medieval times and what I look at in the book is the history of Western mapping to some extent maps of the world in medieval Christendom that situated Jerusalem at the center's and far away on the margins you saw this monstrous figures adorning the edges of the known world in a way the blank spaces you refer into that they were imagined as inhabited by these strange monstrous creatures here be dragons is that old phrase we often hear often the maps didn't say that but they had all these beastly traces as a written into the margins and that persisted into colonial times we see how in the early colonial period those blank spaces become spaces to conquer spaces to understand spaces to go out there and define and remap as it were and and it's ironic that in the high colonial era we see not to the British Empire for instance were all the red zones indicate zones of colonial control those were the part of Empire the Empire painted itself red as George always said well today the red films on our map indicate danger in any Cadillac of control and the indicator finger retreat as well a retreat and a selective withdrawal or Western powers away from part of the world where they have long sought to assert their dominance tell us what about the the timbuktu syndrome because you know much of what you're talking about at least in the context of when we I guess in Africa anyways is around Mali yes yeah I spent some time in Mali for research for this book where we seen conflict I'm going in the past years and sadly violence is not spreading across the country and across the whole West African region into neighboring countries as well this was a conflict of started in 2012 with a separatist uprising in the desert north of the country around the the ancient town of Timbuktu of course that's so well known as pizza me of remoteness in the Western imagination one of those blank spaces on the maps that in the 19th century European explorers as out you to visit and map and eventually through colonialism to conquer we're seeing in this part of the world the insecurity danger threats of various can kinds mapped out to different kinds of interventions we have counted terror interventions your border security operations peacekeeping mission is so on and what I talk about I'm sorry can you can you just for the sake of our audience where those types of interventions can you just flesh them out just a little bit so that people have an understanding of of what typically had been you know what those interventions took form because they're not simply they're not simply military and they're all not I guess I mean arguably but they're all they're not necessarily imperialistic although for the large you know to a large extent I guess maybe they are but we did we just outlined those for us hmm in the one hand since the Bush era we've seen the war on terror extended into this horrible the Sahel Sahara Belt in Africa to counter terror initiatives starting already around the time of the Iraq invasion that's that's an old thicknesses going on for a long time and since that time the early two-thousands we've seen an emergence is the privation of jihadist groups and other militias and armed insurgent groups in the region so that's one part of the story and we then also have the French former colonial power in the region coming in with its own counter terror mission in this part of the world that overlaps as well quite uneasily one can say will concerns about migration in Europe even when this counter terror mission is motivated officially in France is said to be about controlling a dangerous zone where all types of smuggling taking place is partly to do with stabilizing this part of the world to ensure that migrants and displaced people don't remove onwards some extent we then have border security and this was also that I wrote about in my first book more and more European Union funding different European states investing in this part of the world sending troops to some extent but also police forces into the region a lot of money going into the coffers of government often with little Democratic oversight and directly into funding things like border post vehicles all sorts of security equipment in countries such as Mali a neighbor in the air that is risking real escalation of the problem if the security apparatus of the state just keeps on being strengthened with XI Democratic controls besides over she have a UN peacekeeping mission which clearly has more benevolent objectives attached church but I've seen in certain huge trouble in this part of the world with record fatalities taken mainly by African troops are out there patrolling the frontlines in the desert north of the country the very little protections in a mission of uncertain end and facing increasing attacks but year history certain groups it's a very unstable part of the world right now where all sorts of security operations are converging in a very uneasy way and that's partly what I get at when I talk about is timbuktu syndrome in this part of the world a way of intervening that's concerned with controlling various kinds of transnational danger in this far-flung remote places of the globe but are often our premise or not actually fully entering these zones of operating in them as a remove through the remote controls from the inside walls of bunkers and headquarters and via drones and proxy forces and so on so obviously in this part of the world is not quite working out well alright so the the the what you're what you're describing to us is this notion of a sort of a and we're seeing actually I mean you can draw maybe more of a straight line arguably with what Donald Trump purportedly was trying to get out of Mexico which is to stop immigrants coming not not necessarily from across the Mexican American border but the Mexican and Guatemalan border and to stop the flow of immigrants and basically to leverage stuff that was happening and internally there and I and I want to turn our focus to that more specifically in a moment but this this syndrome you're describing is a fear that's on the margins on some level but in some way our interventions are done in a more are done in such a remote way that it makes these things more marginal and also more dangerous that's probably a good summary of eight yeah it's a bit of an echo the Vietnam syndrome if we if we'll bring that term in as the idea that the United States didn't want to risk its soldiers lives in military escapades abroad after the large fatality sustained in Vietnam and we clearly see an echo that today and that's partly why I talk about a syndrome here in that we're seeing a reluctance a political reluctance or risk aversion to put large numbers of boots on the ground to put in place a large scale say military civilian mission in these far-flung parts of the world instead the idea that we are now using these new capabilities to intervene remotely through technology through drone surveillance but also through collaborations with partner regimes partner States as we've seen in the case of migration in Mexico and Central America and as we see in the case of both migration and counter terror in the Sahel and the Sahara this is an old technique but also they're already in colonial times I should say and it's not quite working out we're rather seeing often uncontrolled unchecked resources spreading into often very unaccountable regimes and they're often risk escalating the problem over the long term there's less and less of a sense of control over what's happening on the ground and the powerful in Terenas in their headquarters military helicopters policing headquarters in the West or in bunkers in the sealed-off another very limited view was going on there and that separation that we draw all that distancing that I think should concern us deeply I mean I understand the dynamic you're describing which is you know we're trying to intervene but we're on some level it's sort of like a one size fits all it's not done as a as a sort of like an experience that is that is shaped by an understanding of what's actually happening there by interacting with people but I'm unclear as to like what is what is it that we're doing I mean what what is the central problem is it that is it the intervention is it the mode of intervention is it that you're suggesting here or is it that we have done things that have have created problems on the margins because it's also possible and I'm not sure you know like of the the perspective on how this is problematic because there have been those you know back in the early 90s in this country the neocons the project for a new American Century you know proposed to a large extent a lot of what we're seeing now it didn't necessarily work out in the way that they thought it would that it would create this sort of like American hyper power hegemony by you know unchallenged to Germany because you know in in envisioning a series of low-level conflicts all around the world that were low-level enough that it kept people busy we're but you know it created some busy work for people in terms of but it never nobody ever amassed power to challenge the United States I don't know that second part actually worked out from the perspective of those people but certainly the first part seems to be there right I mean if you pour enough guns you start selling enough guns and you're willing to sort of like you know drop with drones or you know packets of money or whatever you can create some instability and you know you still control it you know have a certain amount of controlled chaos yes control chaos is a good word for it and I do go back in the book actually to the early post Cold War moment when the neocons came out in force force and said we need to go abroad in search for monsters to destroy in a way what we've seen since last time that search for a post Cold War enemy to take the place of the Soviet so he has come to pass as you say and we've seen this active conjuring of monsters on the margins of our map in a way that serves a certain kind of project here so I think part of the problems come back to what he's saying is with the way in which Western powers have intervened in this part of the world for long and fundamentally imbricated in the problems in the dangers in the challenges that we're seeing here through as you say arms sales in the zones of conflict you see that now in the case of Yemen for or through for instance a kind of remote intervention we saw by NATO in Libya deposing Qadhafi with no plan for the aftermath which in turn led to a whole escalation of series of events not just in Libya itself engulfed in chaos and factionalism grows across the whole Sahel Sahara Belt of states which are long been patrons or sort of dependent on the patron of Qaddafi patronage of Qaddafi to a reg Malians from from the north of Mali it had been in Libya coming south into Mali and setting the spark for the rebellion there that and led to the conflict in Mali and so on and when I was out there in Mali speaking to people speaking to the military as well in this country they would point the singer directly at the West and saying that it is done to you that we're facing this problem and there comes the other side of the equation which she said interventions that have been put in place have not tended to improve things rather they were imposing the distance that does benefit to some extent the external powers it keeps the problem out of sight and out of mind for a time it pushes the problems and risks elsewhere it dumps them as it were in the Global Borderlands in the blank spaces far away from our shores but at the same time instability keeps growing and we see the constant risk of blowback of larger risks coming back to hit the fortified borders of the West as it were and I think we saw that in 2015 in their so-called refugee crisis for instance and some extent in the the chaos is now spreading across the region to what extent is the creation of the of these sort of like marginal boogeyman if you will and you know and both both imaginary and real we've either created them out of whole cloth or we've created them by destabilizing things and/or we've created certain problems like I'm thinking in terms of US intervention in Central and Latin America over the past I don't know six seven decades which has created instability which has you know in a large part added to the desire for people to migrate out of those countries and into the US and then of course they're demonized for domestic political purposes of of a specific you know a party or president but I mean to what extent is this also being used as a way of like sort of anticipating future problems like we're also you know maybe not so coincidentally we're seeing these this instability in places which largely are also going to be implicated and are implicated now with climate change and it's almost as if like well we might as well get this party started now and start to build the walls because you know summer is coming I guess and and we should build the walls now and the way that we get the walls built is by creating you know maybe ginning up a fear because frankly there's gonna be a an even greater crisis down the road yeah yeah true just to start off there I should just clarify that I'm not saying that is simply a case of creating our own monsters or certainly many other actors with a responsibility here in the mix it includes local actors in some of these countries that have a stake in the game that includes of course insurgent the edges groups themselves and so on criminal networks who all have their own violent means and tibs for for doing what they do so let's also remember that it's a complex mix of factors thrown in here but we're often with future projection of a doomsday that we saw already in the 1990s has tended to in a way make things worse in the short run and setting us up for a bigger a bigger problem in future I think let's just take the example of rolling for instance when the first wolves emerged around western borders both in the United States in Europe in the 1990s the pro migration was taking quite different shapes it was not nearly as dramatic as what we then started to see I remember speaking to European border guards reflected on this error and said look until the wall was up it was in in in Spain the people just came walking across now suddenly we had this situation were now a large number of people just to run at this wall all at once having to be fought back by border guards and it's really chaotic scenes invoking an emergency and we saw similar thing at the us-mexico border be the so called kamikaze runs at the same time so that suddenly we had a crisis and the crisis was in part created by the very wall there was lyric is supposed to stop the future crisis from happening and I think there's a risk with that sort of doomsday thinking actually helping to create a doomsday coming into play when we talk about climate related migration in academia we have a much more complex perspective on how climate change is going to impact on future population movements it's not necessarily the case you're going to see millions upon millions of people setting out on long journeys towards the west the evidence is more complex than that but I think this is a big risk that this gets simplified and turned again into a story of these encroaching dangers so we need to build a wall against that in fact will then lead to a worsening of the problem do you do you think from a certain extent I mean that that may be part of what is driving this policy you know broadly to the extent that there's an a policy or these policies that are leading to this sort of dynamic now those are short sightedness to it and you hinted at that in terms of the domestic politics here is quite easy to rally the vote if you can reassure a certain part of the electorate you're going to build that wall or what-have-you and we see that in Europe as well the most blatant example being perhaps the case of Hungary were posters were put up to deal with with migration and what migrants couldn't couldn't do in the country but they were all in Hungarian which meant any migrants of refugees in the country could not read these posters it was clearly a message meant for the domestic audience similarly walls sentences patrols that kind of measure the principal purpose of those tends to be to send a domestic political signal rather than halting migration and absolute sense in fact evidence suggests in the United states-mexico case that the huge investments in border security in the nineteen nineties have led to larger undocumented population in land in the United States as people have stayed on over the long term mister of circulating back in Mexico fitted in earlier yes because they know that they can come back in for seasonal work and then go back go back home easily they don't feel the same pressure in fact there's the theory right now is that the reason why we are seeing greater numbers of refugee seekers right now is because there is a sense that the door is is starting to shot totally and people need to get there now so what what what is the what is is there a specific phenomena that's happening is around the world that there seems to be a trend in this way or is it just that well one leader looks and sees what another leaders doing and seeing that it may be successful there or is there a sentiment or just you know is this a contagion mm-hmm I talked about it in innocence in the book as a form of contagion when we're seeing this ramping up of fear and threat scenarios and emergencies around borders often involving quite small numbers we should recall most immigrants in the United States don't enter are not the ones who are now being sort of broadcast on television as this major entry similarly in in in the European case over land migrants towards Europe certainly if we take the Euro 2015 out of the equation or US or a relatively small minority of overall migration but we've seen here again and again is a ramping up of emergency rhetoric that's that's very easily spread through both social media and traditional media and that certain politicians as well a very adept at using and sometimes copying one from the other from one context to the other but I think we need to look in as part of our during the book look at both the political gains to be had from this and the economic logics underlying it on the one hand there are clear short-sighted political gains from from engaging in these sort of emergency politics rather than taking the longer view and of ramps or dampening down the rhetoric and trying to find a more humane sustainable way of approaching these large-scale structural phenomena such as migration violence displacement and so on but there are also economic gains and there are gains in terms of how as I said core Western powers intervenors may be able to through their operations may be may be they are creating a larger problem in the long run but in the short run they can push the problem somewhere else they can contain it in border regions on the other side of these divides it's in that sense quite an efficient way so in a very cynical short-sighted sense of dealing with it through a politics of risk and fear and we also see a lot of economic interest coming into that both on the side of the defense constructors providing the equipment the border and security analysis and militaries who are engaging in these fights as well on the other side of the board with a partner to see higher and higher stakes in this and in fact time and again can ramp up the rhetoric around emergencies and face to to ask for more favors as it were from the western thunders of the operations and we've seen that across Africa in recent years in terms of migration for instance is the I guess lastly to is the is this is the solution to this is it a question of just simply there has to be a different political will because it seems like you know we've certainly had eras where the execution of of policies which would dampen the the danger to the extent that it's real or that would I mean is we've we've had policies in the past right or there or have we I guess is it just a question of political will is it a question I mean how does this because it feels like we're in sort of a feedback loop to a certain extent and and so how do how do we what what is it that takes us out of that feedback loop yes a bit what I described in the book is a negative spiral where we keep escalating the sort of emergency in a sense the sense of CA the sense of threat and anxiety that keeps worsening situation and pulling in more and more access into this way of seeing the world based on security and danger and so on and certainly I think part of what we introduced to go back into history and see is a pretty recent moment when these sales are being mapped on to the world in this particular way certainly when it comes to migration the post-war EA's in the United States and Europe so larger scale legal circular migration labor programs they were not perfect but it was certainly better than the kind of violent dangerous routes and sense of emergency we seen at the borders ever since his legal pathway started closing were replaced by census and barriers similarly the collaboration with neighboring states where is the case of Mexico Central America around human migration and Traylor whether it's a case of Europe and Africa is now increasingly focused on containing migration at any cost providing funding for of an unchecked security outfits and regimes that can be framed in a completely different way and again not so many years ago we saw a more positive narrative around modernization Development Economic Opportunity that again wasn't perfect but it can certainly be revived we still there to some extent but it can certainly gets back and get the upper hand and perhaps be retool for a new era and for this to happen I think part of what needs to go on is a different narrative a different political narrative and in a way our remapping of our over a world away from these divided maps that we're seeing were projecting all these fears and dangers outside of our territories and instead trying to assume more of a responsibility for us fundamentally structural systemic challenges these are not place bound people bomb threats are somehow far away not belonging to us we are fundamentally implicated in finding a solution to questions of human mobility displacement violence and conflict and part of that is to do with finding another narrative a more positive narrative for these collaborations with poorer countries in crisis hit parts of the world no-go world how fear is redrawing our maps and infecting our politics Ruben Anderson thanks so much for your time today we'll put the book link to the book at majority dot F M again thanks for your time thank you so much all right felt there you have it I'm gonna take a quick break headed to the fun half of the program we're in we will have fun we have Nancy Pelosi at the Pete Peterson foundation today super fun saying those words makes me nauseous she's always been a big Pete Peterson fan but the idea that you would go and promote deficit Hawk or at this time really any a time but at this time in particular is shocking political malpractice even if you I don't know even if you really thought like your entire objective in government was to close the deficit it still would be just the dumbest thing in the world to do right now talk about rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic it's not it's worse than that it is not rearranging the deckchairs because at least you'd be rearranging the deckchairs this is literally like blowing another hole in the Titanic Opie Buddha judge was on Jesus and mirrors Showtime show and he talked about that thing and it wasn't a good interview it's kind of embarrassing for everybody but he is talking about that thing about where you can say certain things to certain audiences but then it eventually gets around to everybody right and Pelosi things like oh I'm at with Manu Raja at the P Peterson foundation people that know that this deficit stuff is BS won't ever find out what I'm saying you know I don't think so I don't think frankly I think that's part of the problem like I just don't i i i i think that she thinks that she doesn't think that there are people who would have that much of a problem with it i well we'll get into it in a moment cuz it's so nuts he Pierce him as a great man what the hell do you know that Susan Collins basically well it's it's a distorted tape drunk Nancy Pelosi which is which is in college we're gonna take a quick break headed to the fun half just a reminder your support makes this show possible you can become a member at join the majority report com also just coffee dot co-op Fairtrade coffee tea or chocolate use the coupon code majority get ten juicy percent off your coffee tea or chocolate okay I say the same thing every day I've said no the same thing innovation is good what show would would number show we on 2020 do we even mark our 2000 show no we blew past it and then like somebody reminded us what I care hey we're not sentimental when we get to the 10,000th show oh okay you know it's amazing by the 10,000 so I feel like many like China will have like a naval presence like across the Caribbean and somehow Nancy Pelosi will still be in charge of the Democrats in Congress right we're did if we did 2000 shows in the course of it's been nine yeah about not quite eight and a half years so to get ten thousand five forty forty years total so thirty years from now oh no no I'll still be 82 I'll be Nancy Pelosi SH I will literally be her age Nancy Pelosi was wrong don't give that to say it her honey I was dirty explaining a that we should cut so she's the impression grits are gonna be so convoluted by that oh yeah when you start when you start adding timelines Jesus Christ hey Collin on the teleporter line listen uh well the port is really bad but what do you what do you keep referencing this thing from the four years ago how about some new material this show will be totally in comprehensive Volta anyone who's been listening for less than 50 years right exactly I'm sorry you're not part of the fifty year I was excited like this on another minute I was explained to Brandon that like how how easily you could lose touch if you were Nancy Pelosi where I was saying like because so much of your political and I think it's true with everything to a large extent for most people not all people so much of your knowledge base that you operate on are formed in you know formative years for that for her politically probably happened I mean you know Ryan grim was talking about this yesterday you know thirty forty years ago and she's still operating under those same assumptions and whatnot and I was trying to use an analogy it was like Matt understands that I like you know 90s music the kind of music and you find like you can you could extrapolate that to music that exists today but I'm like when I'm 80 we have some buddies Matt's age is gonna be sitting at the board is gonna have no idea yeah about that music Pelosi talks about d-day like I talked about the 72 and 10 Chicago Bulls right I mean it's it's a little bit way off it's also really where you draw the analogy like you're RH to same it is weird to sort of like assess perturbation having a conniption right now like when and I look at like my daughter and I think that like I can't remember like the distance between her and Kurt Cobain my daughter is like twice as large as it was for me at her age between me and the Beatles and I'm like what because the Beatles seemed like forever ago when I was 14 and you know the idea that Kurt Cobain is twice the distance from my daughter at age 14 and the Beatles were from me at age 14 is pretty stunning time I mean even even for like us like I don't you were like an adult when he committed suicide yeah yeah wild you know there are people being born today who are younger than anyone ever before yes dude think about it it's like my daughter doesn't even know who I was reading an actuarial report I was getting really high I will say my daughter I will Kurt Cobain when I was when I was tending the Foo Fighters won't even be remembered but when I was when I was 10 the distance between World War 2 and was 30 years earlier and we've almost doubled that time since then like in what I can tell you World War two seemed like a long time ago when I was 10 and like iran-contra yeah exactly all right I gotta hope for generations eve i gotta say they're a lot more I mean they scare me a little bit in some ways they're just like feral children of the internet but they a lot of them are really into Marx and I think they might save us hope springs eternal yeah speaking of generations II tonight's Tuesday what's up Michael is it because you're contemplating your mortality that you were so I'm tired yeah okay I get it go go just drift off tonight before the main show we're doing a live stream with Kyle kolinsky and we're gonna be talking 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to my repertoire all I have is the dip in the swirl fine we can double dip yes this is a perfect moment no all right a quick break I want to take a moment to talk to some of the libertarians out there dick whatever vehicle you want to drive to the library what you're talking about is jibber jabber lassic I'm feeling more chill already Donald Trump can kiss all of our asses it's a free speech issue if you don't like me thank you for calling in to the majority report them we'll be with you shortly we are back it's the fun half ladies and gentlemen it is the fun half so much fun too much fun let's play this clip Nancy Pelosi I you know I want to be no I don't really necessarily want to be generous but I mean I just want to be fair as far as that I could see an argument why one wouldn't impeach I can see various ones and I but I can see the validity of an argument that says like oh this is going to hurt the re-election chances of members of my caucus in purple states and that's why I'm not doing you know going to do it that argument though needs to be backed up particularly if you're the Speaker of the House with an actual plan to do something in between now and the election because if you leave a vacuum for someone like Donald Trump he will fill it if you leave a vacuum for someone like Bill bar he will fill it they will fill it with their own investigations and they will fill it with their own Republicans who go out who are lately shameless in pursuing these things and the only plan that I could see there I don't know what it would be maybe another sort of like a type of Investigations or my understanding is they've passed all the bills that they had really basically set up they've passed a bunch of them it hasn't it hasn't particularly worked I mean there's a bunch of votes that they've taken but those votes aren't gonna go away if you need votes to run on they have them the idea that you would be in any way contemplating at this moment what Nancy Pelosi is expressing at the Peterson foundation Pete Peterson was Nixon's Commerce Secretary billionaire from I think it was Blackrock investments or something like that he recently died Nancy Pelosi was was very crazy praiseful upon his death they are basically looking to raid Social Security and Medicare long-term and they do it through deficit Hawk eree and they have purchased there are so many of these summits and so many Peterson foundation grants and whatnot that you it's very hard to find journalists particularly over a certain age who have not been in some way funded in some endeavor or another by pete peterson then they all haven't been corrupted by it necessarily but it certainly dominated the discourse this is stunning she's at a fiscal summit 2019 building America's future being interviewed by Maharajah I do before we get into the issues of the conference I do want to talk about some of the issues that have been in the news over the past week you were traveling abroad and you were Normandy the president wasn't Normandy to in he made some comments about she was sitting in the American Cemetery in Normandy and rather probably the most aggressive remarks I've heard from the president make about a speaker of the house he said that you were nervous he called you a disaster he also called you a nasty vindictive horrible person this is not me there's a president saying this he later went on to tweet that you were disgraced to yourself and your family so how do you react to the press of the United States calling this calling you the speaker the house insulting you like that well what bothers me more is that we're talking about that instead of how to reduce the national debt now look I can understand the the idea to make it look like you're talking about business and if you don't want to talk about him say well he's a bit of a child let's move on to something else what does she understand that in success what she's setting up with this there are a million other things a million other places she could have been yesterday or today rather to do that same pivot he's a child I don't want to talk about him I want to talk about infrastructure he's a child I don't want to talk about him I want to talk about monopolies in our health care industry I want to talk about monopolies in our tech industry I want to talk about health care for Americans I want to talk about what's happening in terms of a woman's right to choose I want to talk about the judiciary I want to talk about getting wage growth up after a month where wage growth was stagnant in jobs fell I want to talk about dealing with wealth inequality I want to talk about dealing with women's health issues I want to talk about the opioid crisis there are a million things that she could have brought up in that instance I want to talk about what's going on with the destabilization in the Middle East I want to talk about what's happening with the dreamers I want to talk about what's happening where we're trying to leverage our trade to force Mexico to to have draconian policies towards people who are escaping violence a million things she could have talked about and she's choosing to talk about the one thing that in the event her strategy works and gets more democrats elected that they will be faced with having to impose austerity policies because she has already laid the premise that the real problem we have is a debt crisis it is beyond unconscionable it's unconscionable from a policy standpoint because we have no more of a debt we like we don't have a debt crisis and it's unconscionable from a political standpoint because everybody everybody who pays an ounce of attention to this has seen what the Republicans do they have done this since the Reagan era they drive up the deficits in the debt when Democrats get into office they force Democrats to cut and to build towards a surplus and then when the Democrats are out of power they drive up the deficit and the debt rinse repeat rinse repeat rinse repeat specifically how many times we went from Republican to Democrat to Republican to Democrat to Republican to Democrat and did those same things and we now know that all of the supposed literature and academic research that suggested that we were in a debt crisis was BS like literally a spreadsheet that hadn't been double-checked Rogoff Reinhart and Rogoff right are in row goth and identified by a grad student at UMass just to underline how radical a mistake that was yes and everybody had adopted it and you know Pete Peterson had to enshrine these guys I don't even know if they can walk what was the book called I used to remember that i don't i don't remember either so there you uh there there you have it i just would like to add briefly i mean i think that though that this is where and i I was reading bosch Cara's book in preparation he does a good job of explaining like the elements of understanding the Third Way globally going back to the 80s and 90s and how you know it does fit in with what even that that Nancy Pelosi sound and in some ways if you there's like the personal failings of politicians there's the fact that they're all compromised by corporate campaign contributions and then there is the balancing act between basically having the political conflicts between one party that's there to purely indulge capital interests they have absolutely nothing else to do which are the Republicans obviously and then a democratic party that sort of like has to triangulate between preserving remnants and then helping facilitate the next rounds of basically austerity and you know there was definitely in the 80s and 90s structural reasons for that and so it's like a question of escaping that ideologically and in terms of your donor base but also hopefully reconfiguring how people understand the economy as well let's take a call here a lot of people got on right at the beginning call from a to10 area code whose this where you come from good afternoon today I'm miss Johnson San Antonio John from San Antonio are you calling about the Iowa poll John actually I am yeah on Saturday night I was top pollster and Seltzer released her latest poll had Bernie in second place at 16% Warren at fifteen Budaj at fourteen this increased to focus on who's gonna get the live I've met Biden at twenty four right yeah yeah he's there Bernie supporters it's ok John it's not that bad yeah well let's put in contact the border let's put this in context for a second there was another poll I believe the last one was in March correct Biden's down four or five points Bernie's down about eight points Warren is up by four five or six and Buddha judge is up by about twelve or thirteen yeah it's more or less right okay okay so so the increased focus on who's going to get the less vote Bernie supporters seems split on how how the day's activists and how Bernie himself should deal with Warren now pointing out policy differences yet being civil and critiques is my preferred method of distinguishing candidates to me Bernie is far superior in reining in military intervention and spending his commitment to core issues from 2016 campaign and Medicare for all $15 an hour minimum wage free college and the combatting climate change are still some of the top priorities for the country Bernie will be given a speech tomorrow on how democratic socialism is the only way to defeat oligarchy and authoritarianism he's going to be relating this to the FDR's for freedom speech from 1941 Warren made a smart move when she decided to put out 19 policy proposals starting with us the wealth tax on January 24th in the last two policies were the economic patriotism and green manufacturing on in just recently I doubt it Bernie will criticize Warren because he has too much respect for her he called called her his favorite senator invited her to his inequality in America Town Hall in March of 2018 if Bernie does win the nomination Warren will very likely be his top pick for Vice President I know that some people may scoff at this idea as being conspiratorial but do you think that they formed a pack or maybe it's already formed not to criticize each other and to release their delegates to the candidates who has the best chance of winning the nomination this will increase the odds that that one of them will win the nomination what do you think of this idea and how would you analyze the Sanders warren relationship as it relates to the nomination right now I mean I think it would have been political malpractice or either one of them to make that type of pact I you know in terms of like the delegates I think both of them and I don't know that they needed to make a pact to not attack each other I just don't think that they're they're going to do that I am not convinced that they are I think the the the the firt you I think it's a little bit counterintuitive but I'm not convinced that they're necessarily going after the same voters like I don't think that the the question is is you know between Bernie and Warren really is that there are many voters who are saying who has better policies I think if you're with Bernie or with Warren you're not there because you think one has better policies per se than the other particularly if you're with Warren I think it's just really more I think there are other factors I think you know Warren has now set her up herself up as someone who is like a you know who's by generating these plans has has set herself up and in the way that she has late you know sort of doled them out and and sort of branded herself is as sort of a workhorse in some way I don't think it's a competition of plans I really think actually where Bernie's votes lie are with Biden and with Buddha judge and if I were Bernie I would at this point I think it's smart for him to pivot to – you know beating Trump in the general election I think Buddha judge is going to have problems after the debates in some way because I think he isn't he's you know he's not as rooted as these guys but I think it's really just mine Biden four more votes at this point that's what I would be doing if I was if I was by Bernie I would be going after Biden's votes right now because if you are voting you got to remember right like we see this on the plane of policy in ideology but there are a lot of other voters out there who don't see it that way they see it there's other planes in which they see it they could see it as anti-establishment on some level which isn't the same thing because Buddha judge then sort of seems like a little bit like he's coming out of nowhere he's outside of the system that's what Beddoes both supposedly had some of that and Buddha judge sort of stole that from bateau or you could just see it of like I feel safe with an old white guy I wish I think you know some people that's I gotta be part of Biden support part of Biden support is also the idea that he can win so I think you go I think Bernie goes after those I think to try and get into an argument that his policies are fundamentally better than Warren's I think is like you're fishing in the wrong pond at that point can I just add two quick things I won the part I totally agree with Sam on and I'll just make a plug again that I think is the intersection of making the case that Bernie is stronger against Trump than Biden and will relate to people in the key in key areas is hammering the hell out of him on trade and I don't think and I think that that is grounded and relevant enough for people that that isn't a particularly abstract policy area I think that that's a very lived and breathed thing for people that exemplify that you know Biden might have a glass jaw when it comes down to it particularly his sort of brand as a blue-collar guy and and I think that you you know I agree that it isn't about partially just because like clearly that's not even what Bernie wants to do and I don't think Sanders and I agree that they're swimming in different ponds to some extent but I I do think that if you're a Sanders supporter and obviously I am it's gonna start to be increasingly important particularly in much more narrow areas of conversation but parts that John's obviously part of because he's an important part of this show as an example – you know I think there are some people actually do care about our footprint in the world and there's a huge difference there that matters to millions of people's lives and then the huge and then the second is I think at some point you know we're gonna have to really sit back and say like okay it's very nice but everybody can get a bunch of smart people in a room and come up with plans how you actually win political battles is basically a very different thing and those are a fundamental different approach to politics so I think as supporters and a surrogates those are important yeah that's exactly what I was going to say like it doesn't matter how detailed and how good your policy proposals are if you can't get them passed right and Bernie is a movement candidate who understands that in order to get any of the stuff passed you need a real grassroots movement you need labor and you need to sustain it through way past the election and build an infrastructure for that and I think he's the only one who really understands that so for the people who do care about not just what the policy is but getting the policies through that's something that he could probably harp on definitely I yeah I mean I think there's there's some some value to that I still you know I think you want to fish where there's the most fish and I think I think the the argument in which i think is probably largely true although i think it's you know it's not a slam dunk argument to make because elizabeth warren can also point to like i created the most durable agency perhaps in the history of the united states but then it flips back to you know how broad is as that sort of well I don't think it's broad at all but I'm just saying exactly cemented by the Trump administration no they can't okay they voted no she's a very smart bureaucratic player and she would make like a great Treasury secretary the the point is is that I think all of that is small-bore that is exactly my point and I think like it's much I think there's a lot more I think the trade stuff makes a lot of sense because it goes right at Biden but that's my point is you go where the fish are and the fish are all in Biden's pond right now because all Bernie needs do is take ten percentage points of Biden's away and then it creates a cascading effect 90/10 rule and really my recommendations cuz I do think they're relevant but I think the critique I outlined is one that he shouldn't even be making it should be people like me and it talks to a fraction of the vote I think the vast foreign policy and and an argument about yes foreign policy but also more broadly military spending I mean I do think you know ultimately there does that there is gonna be some conflict at some point between never-ending imperial engagement and having the types of reforms we want our own society not to mention I do have to say I'm gonna hope that at least 2% of people and particularly people that fancy themselves as informed and care about issues will in fact care about the fact that we input you know impact every single life on this planet is something that can't just be shoved you know I'm sorry at least point seven five percent of the electorate it's rape if that point seven five is an Iowa caucus-goers that you know turns up in a marginal way that's great and they're already with Bernie yeah yeah well they're already with Bernie no not necessarily I mean this is another reason frankly I'll just say it strategically I mean there's another reason like why do you think I did so much content on Tulsi Gabbard early I never think and this will piss a lot of people off I'll always give her credit where credit is due but I never thought she's more than a to three percent candidate tops but I don't worry I know where that to three percent is likely coming from so I wanted to make pretty clear that I don't even necessarily buy the idea that she is like what is she she's at one or two percent yeah ideologically motivated left liberals who consider this helps progressives might not be as large group as people who vote based on personality or whatever but they are an extremely engaged group and they do attend things like caucuses right they're shaping Eric I agree and I you know I think that's another thing that I don't accept I apparently you know no one said in that poll Bill DeBlasio Oh like he didn't just get our policy you didn't just get 0% he got zero would it be really funny if Bill DeBlasio though like really went and he was just like I want building off what I have for New York it's a national plan where you just cut deals at real estate developers and then you do some good things you're there uh John thanks for the call all right thank you Ken he literally got I think um there was one that came out in New Hampshire and I feel like it was actually like Seth Moulton somebody else got a zero point zero and one of these there's one other there's one other person yeah calling from a 6:08 area code who's this where you come from hi it's will calling from West Virginia will from West Virginia what's on your mind uh yeah so my question is for everyone and I definitely want to hear what Michael and Jamie have to say about this I think if you're on the left and interested in history it can be pretty demoralizing to look at all like the past failures of our movements I'm thinking about things like the decline of the labor movement Social Democratic or labor party is turning neoliberal or the pink tide like fizzling out so my question is how do we learn about these things and take lessons from them without falling into demoralisation and depression and I'll take my answer off here well can I just answer before the two people that he wanted to hear answer answer I would say that his people you cannot over extrapolate certain historical case studies to be sort of eternal truths about how these things go because the say the in economic environment the media environment all these sorts of things change so I don't get that from history at all I feel history and people like struggling for social and economic justice throughout history as very inspiring so I think you just got to reframe it that way I agree and I would just add that and I am NOT saying things aren't very bleak but you can just as easily you know if you have a reactionary perspective you could say man there keeps being these countervailing forces and breakthroughs and we think we have them crushed and have all the power on there our side but then they come into power and they do these things so some extent you have to just adopt a broader frame and you know not be Pollyanna at pollyannaish but cynicism is its own form of inverse Pollyanna you know it's all true yeah I mean I've been thinking about this a lot listening to our own series history is a weapon because Sean and Matt Chrisman they just know too much and it has made them a little bit cynical I think Sean has kind of ramped down his activism at least partly as a result of how much he knows and also he's just getting old and tired but um I don't know I think it's actually kind of optimistic in some ways to look at the grand sweep of history because yes we've had some past failures and those are depressing but it just means we have more data for the next time that we have a new cycle of struggle a new cycle of anti-capitalist struggle and we can retailer our approach to shifting conditions of today like I don't think you should trust anyone who says ok there's a revolution it's gonna happen you just have to listen to me and do a B and C like no that's ridiculous nobody could possibly know that but but looking at the grand sweep of history like Shawn got into some world-systems theory on the last episode sumeragi know mode of production has ever lasted forever that includes you know the one that came before capitalism feudalism that was the first and the shift from feudalism to capitalism took hundreds of years right which is about as long as capitalism itself has existed and there were a ton of false starts so if you look at it that way we're really just getting started and I think that we should have some hope Hayes talked about this dynamic just a little bit on that thing that we put out what was it I can't remember what day we did a couple of weeks ago maybe it was just remember did we put I think we just remembers but he cited the German Democratic Socialist I can't remember his name who had told that that proverb about the the peasant farmer was dying and he he wanted to make sure that he was taking care of his sons but he had nothing so he told them that he had buried a bag of gold in the fields and the sons went and tilled and tilled and tilled the field turned up the field looking for that gold they never found the gold but what they did do is they turn the soil enough so that it ended up being bumper crop time and they ended up all getting fed even if you don't make it to the Olympics if you train for it you'll be in great shape it kind of reminds me two more things there's like a very poetic metaphor that Shawn put forth on one of our episodes we're like he compared building communism to like building a cathedral like right medieval peasants or the workers would build a cathedral and you probably would never get to see it completed but you know you'd work your whole life knowing that it was in service of something something great something greater than yourself in other words so they would go on to have problems and with kids and sorry yeah maybe maybe your kids Cathedral there's a George Sand quote that says our revenge will be the laughter of our children too right very optimistic and very maybe the Pollyannish hope I mean it's sort of like the reason you have to become a patron of all of our shows well it's also the Cathedral it's also why people plant trees right I mean it's trees totally oh god one more thing I'm sorry just like the idea that we were living at the end of history right in the 90s that was so much more depressing in a way than what you thought was what we have right now is leftists at least because like really that I mean the 90s were good in some ways but like I wouldn't want to live in a world where I thought that that was going to continue forever and now at the Linea liberal consensus is clearly breaking down and it's terrifying and we don't know what's gonna come after it but we know that history has definitely not ended the market was just on fire though in the late 90s the late nineties Carl fun gamma my sitcoms come from a six one zero area code who's this where he come from hello Sam Mike from Pennsylvania Mike from Pennsylvania how are you sir I am outstanding so do tell i sat down with I sat down with a fellow show regular fry comrade and we spoke to he'd Butare who was the who is primary and Nancy Pelosi her district in San Francisco in the upcoming year and discussed a lot of the issues and why it's so necessary for him to do as well as possible because she lives in the bluest district in the country and she's going to Pete Peterson events I know it my you should have heard me at the beginning of the you should at like when when Brandon was I was like where where is she doing that at the P Peterson and I was just like you gotta be he's one of the prime bands of this whole show universe I you know I don't want to overindulge like this sympathy that I have for Harry Reid I mean obviously we're light-years apart on politics but having Schumer and Pelosi there and Schumer of course and Pelosi both with Silicon Valley and Wall Street are going to be compromised because their geography but on the level of like blue state representation and still bending over backwards for the stuff when you had a guy you know representing an actual battleground state who really at least on core things like New Deal policies was you know mostly willing to fight its debt ads to at least I don't know it I am well what are the things that's interesting is like people like Nancy Pelosi Chuck Schumer because they're so far from actually running in competitive elections they don't have to engage with what really plays they can do them the mass you know the mental gymnastics of just saying like oh well this is good us more money and that will help us run more campaigns will fund more campaign so they do whatever gets them more money and gets them more power because if you help steer funds towards a candidate they feel obligated to vote for you in leadership etcetera and so it creates this feedback loop where they are continually taking political things that are not popular in amongst the voters but which get them more personal power which is why it's so vital that you have a OCS and and people like show hit who are primary them and forcing them to to face electoral equities in their district and I can tell you if you if you look at the voters of San Francisco even now all the Silicon Valley rot they are not in favor of Peterson cutting social security and getting rid of these programs and having balanced budgets that's insane and when and Shahid is not just some sort of like weird kook he is he's been on the the Electronic Frontier Foundation which is one of the major civil liberties organizations online leading the fight for net neutrality he has been he is an activist but he's also an accomplished lawyer you know he's been on the front lines for example I think he helped sound buzz looms for Ferguson so this is somebody who has true blue cred and really our discussion was really interesting you know covering so many range of issues we talked about robert muller in his past fighting with you know creating others entrapment schemes Muslims around the country the surveillance of mosques that happened to my local mosque even though they have absolutely no extremist rhetoric at all it's insane and how you know liberals like Nancy Pelosi attended on someone who is a right-wing Republican to do something against the Republican Party and how it fails even the most basic basic logic test so I'm calling with Shahid Butare is an attorney running against Nancy Pelosi in her house district the most blue in America he's a great candidate and I'm highly concerned that a loser imposer named Mike from Pennsylvania is calling in on his behalf my concern is that his weak-kneed surrogacy will undermine Shahid's efforts and I just like to know what you think about that Mike well we'll put a link to the podcast in our podcast description today can we do we have a link we'll find some you link guys but if you're listening the easiest way to find it is to search into deep patreon so there you go alright Mike something interesting thanks guys Mike alright let's take one more quick phone call gets more scum from a 703 area code who's this where you come from hi this is Clara from Virginia Claire from Virginia how are you Claire I'm good how are you good what's on your mind um so I was calling to remind everyone in Virginia that today is primary day and we have a lot of great progressives running and primary against a lot of really bad demographic Democrats including my district Barbara Savola who takes a ton of money from Dominion and actually promised to no longer take money from Dominion and then like two weeks later it came out that she was still taking money so just wanted to remind everyone to vote that's unbelievable it's a great call that's a great clean liar right there okay sure I won't do it she's really horrible oh I'm sorry did I say I wouldn't take money I misheard oh okay I wouldn't oh oh okay yeah no I meant to say I would take money that's what I meant to say unbelievable yeah well get out yeah so she'll think I'm the person primary her is Nicole Marlene and she's a great young progressive Democrat and so I really recommend everyone go look up what their their primary is going on right now because it's really important we're so close to turning Virginia blue so really excited about that yep all right good luck with it Claire appreciate the call I feel like working with the state of local news you could just get away if you're at like that level you could just get away with lies like that all the time well for all you know I guess what you can also do that on a national level apparently yeah that's basically where you know learning to a large extent right I mean that dude in the the district with all the sinclair media got away with body slamming and a journalist and there was no GM or tech barely any yeah you mean like the state of Montana isn't he the only rep from Muncie I think the only F that's the entire state this is a little bit strange well this Tom Holman I haven't quite figured out exactly what the heck is going on here so he's calling on a bluff right and it was Trump the bluff was to the American public right like I'm going to I'm gonna threaten Mexico with tariffs then they're gonna come to the White House and we're going to basically pretend that we're negotiating a new deal even though the deal that we're making is one that they already agreed to a month and a half ago at two months taking credit for things that are gonna happen already is a plus move totally people do that in politics I've heard a couple of stories that I don't know them for sure but I've heard a couple of stories but I mean everybody understands the dynamic here right it's like basically like I'm gonna meet with Matt after the show today and yeah I'm gonna tell him with in no uncertain terms tomorrow better be Wednesday because if it's not there's gonna be hell to pay around here and then we meet Matt comes out says tomorrow I agree and we'll be Wednesday and there it is that's what I thought and here is this guy the former was he the former ice director of the former acting ice director a former ice director Tom Holman if it wasn't for this terrorist if it wasn't for the terror threat they wouldn't be taking aliens off the train they wouldn't be sending troops to the southern border they won't be expanding the migrant protection protocol they won't be talking about a third country safe third country agreement the tariffs worked his bluff worked so I think once again he shows a really black part of me said his bluff worked was it really Bluff or you think he was willing to do it no I think I think it was a threat I'd use it more bluff I think there's a threat and I think he would have followed through and I'll tell you something else if they don't follow through on this agreement he will impose tariffs wait a second he that is like oh shoot maybe Trump is watching he never wants to maybe exposed as if he was bluffing you think I'm bluffing what you think I'm bluffing let's just go back let's just watch this is pretty amazing and I love the the look on the face of trish regan the she's the journalist over there right at fox business you just said bluff – she couldn't bring herself to say that guy protection protocol they won't be talking about a third country safe third country agreement the terrorist works his bluff work so i think once again what else could he have said there his bluff work it sounded like to me could he have been saying his blob like the terror it's hard for me to say tariffs and when he says tariff threat it sounds like he says terrorist threat right right but bluff is fairly yeah go back just one more time let's just hear it just the one more time just to make sure that we're getting it a third country safe third country agreement the tariffs works his bluff work so i think once again he said his bluff worked was it really bluff or you think he was willing to do it no i think i think it was a threat and use her more bluff I think there's that's right and I think they don't follow through on this agreement he will impose tariffs I love the idea that he's sort of like drifts off and he's like he's doing the calculation in his head like oh no a dad no Donald Trump's not gonna be happy with that you know I didn't use the word bluff just usually have to wait for your intern to cut the video for you do well that's the point yeah that was like Jesus Christ I think Chris Hayes made this point on Twitter which is that if the tariffs was greatest Trump made them sound why did we trade them for just a few hundred more police officers in Chiapas right because I think you're supposed to save us supposed to be so good for the economy but trade it away guess what guys we got a thousand cops in southern Mexico instead I also just say that if that b-roll footage scares you you have issues I mean Jesus Christ like this is what's so terrifying some people on the top of some flatbed trucks well we'll never asylum come your summer home in upstate Minnesota Emma no I don't want to stay in Minneapolis like I'm in a deeper into the state oh you didn't support Trump's tariffs now I have your house now listen when it came out when there was a story yesterday that the New York Times reported that Donald Trump made a deal that had already been made and his bluff no bluff worked Donald Trump had to make up that there was a special part of the deal that nobody knew about and he's still got to go on with that special part of the deal that nobody knew about here he is clip number four saying that yeah I know Mexico is saying that there is no special part of the deal but there is a special part of the deal and I'll tell you in about two weeks that's why it's a secret something that they will announce versus if it's all done and they have to get approval and they will get a problem if they don't get approval after think in terms of tariffs or whatever but it's just another aspect of what we've done it was all done because of the tariffs and because of the relationship that we have with Mex enough exercise book with the president yesterday and by the way I was with the president of France here the day too he's a great guy he manuals he's a great guy so we had a great conversation the other day and I think you're gonna see some real action said that when you think of it Mexico is doing more for the United States as of now than Congress and then that specifically the Democrats they have to get their act together they have to work and get something done because tremendous problem at the border if people pouring in and it means crime it means drugs have been so many other things we're building the wall we're gonna have close to 500 miles of wall built by the end of next year that's a lot and we're moving along very rapidly we won the big court cases you know the other day and that was a big victory for us so a lot of good things are happening but I want to thank Mexico and we do have one other thing that will be announced at the appropriate time but they have to get approval from their legislative body what is it why are the Mexican it's a secret thing that they don't want to tell any of the legislators about you know they want the pass but they'll be doing it soon it's one of those things it's just is such a little baby I'm reading a review of Michael Wolf's new book a siege I think we're under siege on Trumpton and when it comes the Trump I'm totally Pro Michael wolf and totally support gossip and totally supported all of his journalistic methods and apparently this new book is just even even more unflattering in the last one if that was possible and in this reviewer says at this point the books genres switches to sci-fi what if this quote-unquote strange organism speaking of Trump with its uncanny ability to survive every threat is some kind of unkillable force like the alien and alien wounded multiple times Trump has never quote-unquote bled out even Bannon filiz and his quote unquote magical properties about skipping ahead that whatever the scenario a new bankruptcy ultimatum dolefully given by Ivanka or or charges banned and predicts whatever the scenario Trump won't go out classy well that's what Trump said the other day about Nixon he goes you know they're talking about Nixon left I don't I'm not gonna leave this week so you know we live in this very strange world where we have a Mad King who is running the country and 50% not quite 50 percent but 40 some odd percent that control and at least in the Senate more than fifty percent of the seats pretend like he's not insane and there are moments like this one the Mexico has a secret provision to the deal that we made that really validates the whole deal I made that they're not telling anybody about they're denying it of course but they're not gonna deny it for long because it's true cuz they gotta get passed by their legislature they keep asking this question because they can know that he's lying and everybody just wants to watch him squirm and they even ask it of Sarah Sanders even at friendly venues but she knows she doesn't have to give a real answer here is Fox and Friends asking White House press secretary Sarah Sanders what's this whole secret part of the deal and on this the deal there's more troops at the border we know there's going to be money to give these would be illegals that are trying for asylum in our country some type of a job opportunity they're supposed to get health care and supposed to get shelter in Mexico I get it now there's some talk about this there now the idea just a day ago this guy was railing on the fact that immigrant children who have been living in this country are gonna get health care or gonna get a chance to go get schooling or get to play baseball as some type of massive injustice but the idea that we would threaten another country to provide that stuff for the same people that's a good deal it's unbelievable how there's no semblance of shame or just recognition as those words are coming oh I remember yesterday I was complaining this was horribly offensive but whatever I digress Eagles that are trying for asylum in our country some type of a job opportunity they're supposed to get health care and supposed to get shelter in Mexico I get it now there's some talk about this third country deal that could be in the works the Mexico has to pass through their legislature and that the president indicated it's there nobody else says it's really there can you tell us with this what other side deal could be coming our way look I'm not gonna get ahead of President Trump or the President of Mexico and making further announcements but we have had discussions and you can see even in the joint statement that they released where they said that within the next 90 days further action could be announced and that we will continue those discussions that's exactly what we're doing that's exactly what we're talking about and we've already got agreements on the way for other action that will help again solidify Mexico's commitment to stop illegal immigrants for coming across our southern border okay I have a question in the budget is send em all back to Africa Public Enemy in the Bush administration would they have felt in the Bush era would they have felt the need if Killman was doing the same equivalent of that reversal within 24 hours what do you felt a need or someone like him felt a need to say now I know that may sound different from yesterday but here's some BS to papered over is part of that extremism a product of Trump just normalizing lying to a new I think that's I think that's part of it but I also think part of it is like under the Bush administration they were much more adept at this stuff it wasn't just you know George Bush wasn't just like making up stuff in the moment they would have meetings and they would fashion a lie and then they would all be on the same page and they would all know how they were gonna present the lie and then they would tell the lie and they had people like we're in charge of this it was like I heard Maureen Dowd drinks totally we had our ties as opposed to mass producer who said this but like Bush was their idiot and Trump is his own idiot yes I think that's true I think that's true and I would say that short of bill Barr everyone around him they are are pretty much idiots in the new wolf book apparently uh Trump is also really upset that Bear is having a growth spurt because he's very salad dude I feel seriously if there is anybody know people are constantly looking for people to sympathize with in the Trump world I have never made any sense to me if you're an adult that's on you but yeah it's tons of solidarity with Baron Trump yeah right until until it all takes hold until he's twenty jewel adult Trump Barron on Twitch here is the right-wing talk-show host Tammy Bruce who is really really upset that undocumented immigrants between the ages of 18 to 25 will be receiving health care as part of California's Medicaid program this same program is also going to be or at least in the same bill it's going to be expanding subsidies for people who are middle class upper middle class will be getting subsidies for their health insurance not subsidized enough should be full subsidy but we're getting there but she is just outraged at the idea that we would be giving health care insurance coverage to people who would otherwise get treated at an emergency room and cost all of us more money in the end they're going to put another attacks on people who don't have insurance to fund health insurance for illegal aliens but let's remember – in this country everybody does get access to health care you can go into an emergency room and you are cared for so already California is dealing with that with ohan zooming apposite this is like she does not realize she is delivering the best argument to provide health insurance to these people like you know it's you change your oil every 3,000 miles your engine's gonna be in pretty good shape you do not change your oil every 3,000 miles maybe you get away with 9,000 miles but then one day it seizes up and you go to the emergency room and it costs a lot more well she's cornered because she can't say what she really thinks would just like let them go without health care right but she makes the exact same argument that you would if you thought this is a good policy he does get access to health care you can go into an emergency room and you are cared for right so already California is dealing with that with overwhelming emergency rooms and hospitals so nobody's not getting health care this is an official taxing of people who don't have again insurance to distribute it they argue a 98 million I think that's going to be a little higher you know this is just after by the way they refused they they did not pass a bill that would have given health care to seniors to sit mericans who are over the age of 65 they said it's too expensive you see it's too expensive it's so interesting because the older ones are not getting it and they're the ones that would need it more that is for adults low-income adults that are illegal here illegally in California between the ages of wait a second wait a second they're not giving it to senior undocumented immigrants seniors who are citizens are eligible for Medicare they are not giving it to older undocumented immigrants because right wingers have a bigger problem with that the 18 to 25 year old have brought here without they're more often than not without their having made that decision good 5 you would think it would be cheaper for those individuals because most of those are not going to get sick to go into the emergency room and just get there why it's so dumb I'm sorry is that inappropriate of me to say that she's not bright for some reason the idea that if you're if you get sick less that it's cheaper for you to go into the emergency room is not very bright unbelievable sometimes got a water cooler in there to come from a four seven eight area code who's this where you come from today Jeff from Georgia how are you sir I'm doing just fast Bank down here in the whole crew group exactly with you I appreciate what you had to say about him and about the about why exactly you find it so uh Orson problematic and and I you know I don't disagree really but I kinda have a different take on and I was talking to some of your your supporters and fans a couple days ago but a little Kurt Vonnegut quote I once read it's real sort we are where we pretend to be but we must be careful that will be pretend to be but I can't tell you or anyone else exactly how stupid a proofing is I don't know I'm not even frankly equipped define intelligence II sort of like rigorous testable way look but I can't tell you this when he opens his mouth he sounds dumb he'll say she says dumb as hell the questions that he asked of dumb as hell to his guests he does nothing but give a platform the idea is that uh in law cases don't deserve to be heard at all I'd say and in other cases deserve to be heard only on the most rigorous scrutiny the most you know / – / – since Dave's not cut out for that he's a baseball player without any arm saying and I'm sorry that baseball player out there are three trying hard and now I want to look down on having no arms but he should find another line of work that's what I think's team well fair enough Jeff I mean that is your opinion maybe you should get a million subs yeah maybe I should be a great idea manager report but where is this didn't even get his sound Wow there we go let's go to the IMS Matt's sick friend Sam can you please say to two phrases for the track I'm working on have fun with it y'all ready drop the bass oh it's gonna be good there you go very sincerely thank you you're welcome y'all ready drop the bass how's that Gregory from Oklahoma I gave you two options I'm a Genji kid and I don't have much hope for my generation most of us don't even know who limp is guitar and the ones who who know who they are I think they're an awful band also most of us think the future rat the rapper future makes good music don't put all your hope in our generation I'm basically one of the coolest people who actually gets it oh my god futures are I mean I think gen Z is right about both of those things but I really appreciate his constant standing of new metal and I respect it JB Sam can I use your Pelosi Pete Peterson rant in a Facebook post of course Michael Greenwald is nothing more than a long-winded cut rare Ian who contributes nothing good to any discussion well that is well I mean that's just a kind of shockingly stupid comment to make in light of these revelations that they just did and so it's that please don't be so unbelievably myopic and take seriously this reporting myopic gee again you if anything I'm learning to mispronounce things through exposure to you don't be so much you dad yeah I learned it for you dad well now it's a god damn thing protecting my turf don't don't you get in on can't say things yeah exactly K so my hook very myopic this is the fifth largest country in the world it's an unbelievably important story Glenn as part of it is a main player in it and so I actually do find that very stupid and very offensive I will say because there you know this is what we're discussing and this is what the interview is about tonight and I know some people have raised some things not that point but such I mean you know which but maybe in another couple of weeks Glenn might return the TMB s and will take on some of the other areas but maybe read the report and think a little bit about it particularly a country that your own government has played a role in subverting their democracy before you know being so oblivious is such an important thing it's actually quite disgusting possible to criticize someone on some things without saying that they're just trash across the board when that's clearly not true one night lemonade stand I suppose one ought to be surprised by a sensible contempt for public health inspectors coming from the libertarian primary frontrunner Sam cedar name's Darwin Sam two facts to blow your mind first there was more time that passed between the building of the Great Pyramid and the reign of Cleopatra then between her reign and today Wow okay second when all the pyramids were being constructed there were still woolly mammoths alive in the world is that right whoa hmm is that right I'm I'm a sceptic about that one oh but do you think House Judiciary Committee is willing to fight for testimony from fact witnesses named in the mall report the majority of whom are Trump administration members and goons bringing in MSNBC contributors no offense seems like a step backward in the Trump mediary III I couldn't agree more it is that I mean look the situation is I think there is a fight between Nadler and Pelosi and I think that they are the Nadler forces are trying to bring in whatever they can to push the ball forward and as a way of putting more pressure on Pelosi but I don't know I thinks in some ways that that lets the air out of the tire but I don't know who you get in there I'm not sure anti-fire mind-set haver ever I'm habit mindset haver Sean from the ante father said some of the most hopeful and profound things in the show and has inspired me so much listen to it that's really nice HDX far more good afternoon mr crew do you think Nancy Pelosi might be protecting someone or something by discouraging impeachment proceedings yes her members from purple states and her own house majority status DMBS fan to all the em our listeners and queens vote Tiffany Caban for Queens District Attorney on June 25th really important vote right there hell yeah and if you're local you can also come out to canvass for her rube David please promote viewers to go to Dave Reubens upcoming shows in Rocklin California on the 22nd in Cleveland Ohio on the 24th no I'm not gonna do that I'm not gonna tell people to go to some show in Rocklin California or Cleveland Ohio know what it's the month of June okay yeah don't do that don't do that seriously we show pity we know what's not question showing pity it's just I'm not me it is I'm not listen I don't want to be in a position for encouraging people to do this look what you're doing is not that bad it's not like you know going going and heckling a comedian is the oldest thing in the book Shakespeare during shape Shakespeare time they would throw tomatoes and onions at the performers as part of the theater-going experience am i saying you should do that of course not of course I'm not I'm telling you history that's all I'm doing and but I think that Dave is he takes questions at these things and so he wants questions and and if I know Dave I know he wants questions that are challenging because he likes an exchange of ideas oh I think I mean you're literally quoting the man right there yeah I mean I just wanted to say getting off of Dave for a second it is fascinating and quite a testament that we still have Shakespeare's work when you consider how often he was silenced so many audiences I mean you can't even read a fellow these days Kenny these days I mean I'm also assuming that there were people contemporaneously who were alive is this at the I don't like that play they silenced 50th anniversary the romantic manifesto by Anne Ryan is this is he who that's a another cookb really related fund that's another great way maybe you can upgrade that underwear from H&M to you new clothes new partners and Rand Institute thanks guys that would be really you know what no no here here though I will publicly advocate this if somebody is a creative person who would like to do a reworking of one of Iran's dreary horribly written and philosophically depressing and delusional books but instead of some type of like brilliant alpha architect if you could rewrite the character as it just as an example say a dim-witted YouTube post I think that could be very funny idea I don't know it just just came to me it's just in the flow it's a whole week God look oh boy more is there to learn I almost feel like be an asshole done I think we are not far away maybe a year away maybe a little bit more maybe after the 2020 election where whenever this stuff comes up I'm gonna go folks I'm gonna go for a couple of days and maybe I'll broadcast into it I'm just that's all I'm gonna do I think I'm gonna take a year where I go to every single one of these events imagine how that's gonna work and we're just doing a normal show and then all of a sudden it's like no it's me tip line I'm here for the I dread conference where Dave Rubin I have just made cry I have added to my life expectancy as we speak it is the greatest accomplishment of my life I look proudly at my children Michael can you hear me that is I feel like a direct quote I don't know whether he's from Confucius super gonzo with me we can both take acid no no I don't want to do that I want to be completely completely aware of what's going on this is a sock you want to precise you need to my future Dave where are you going we're alive we're live from the show Dave all right well to each their own yeah Nick the liberal oh my god Nick the liberal with yet another insufferable transactional ISM screed this time pointing out how Sam was making the case for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker and now lamenting her tone-deaf leadership I I was making the case and I still like do you hear me saying that we should have Tim Ryan to be Speaker of the House I mean let me I have to say not in the because I don't like ped in im's like that whatever point they're making but and I made the same I have the same position you did I'm and every I'm not convinced from reading about Tim Ryan and I'm not excited about him running for president he might be a little bit better on that than Pelosi he was never did the same type of that level of debt hawk nonsense that I think even those of us who did not like Pelosi but made the obvious calculation if you had told me that in a couple of months in the future and in suppose he was gonna do that I maybe I probably would have just totally sat it out to be honest with you I would have just said whatever they do they do if that makes sense yes that does make sense that's called being afraid to take a position there it's I mean it would say like nobody I mean is really sometimes makes is it worth it's not even it's like how much energy would you expect no cuz well I wasn't out campaigning for I mean I was we didn't know I think there was value it's I'm not ducking what we did there was value at the time in explaining how this situation actually was working and getting away from a just a dumb one-dimensional just get rid of Pelosi with whoever that's still the wrong position but that being said if you knew with that in addition to all of her in build massive limitations that it was gonna go up to being at the Peterson conference well I'll tell you I I would have a different position all on that I don't know about you I don't know Brock from VA the gerrymandering page and the data for progress lists a lot of good of Virginia Dems yes we talked about that with Sean McElwee on this program several weeks ago Smoot court for some reason people can't seem to come up with an example of Joe Rogan's right-wing ISM so here's one he peddles anti-trans bigotry he reduces their lives and rights and challenges all down to a single concern over trans women in the UFC it's the narrowest possible issue and return to it over and over again that his audience learns to associate with trans people Don Julio how do we get all aspects of the online left to talk to each other and have worthwhile discourse I want to see Sam cedar talking to Bill Maher I want GenCon pod save America I want Jamie and Michael on the weeds I don't really what is the O's that the Vox show excuse me well I well first of all the way you're not gonna do it is by putting us in the least desirable format what are you talking about it why don't we get Bill Maher or pod say for God's sake the weeds Jesus Christ and he's got how is the Mexican legislature gonna pass and approve and a plan if it's secret well I can't tell you I'd have to yeah we got time for one more call come from a four to three area code who's this where you come from four four two three four two three hey can you hear me now sir hello can you hear me now yes we can who's this there we go that was odd this is probably from Tennessee how are you doing Bobby from Tennessee what's on your mind hey well the other weekend you posted something about ben shapiro talking about west as best and all this other horse and he brought up aristotle and it kind of pissed me off because I happen to be an original example so when he talks about doing science for love of science what he's forgetting is that that was actually Thomas Aquinas who was attempting to reconcile Aristotelian metaphysics anonymous and that Thomas Aquinas was heavily influenced by an Islamic philosopher named avi Sinha that was his latinized name I I don't pretend like I can pronounce this proper Arabic name and always gonna ever rose al farabi were several prominent Islamic philosophers that contributed to Western society in particular Augie Senna was was one of the first major natural philosophers which of the real scientists before modern science suggested that medical ailments might have a natural cause rather than some sort of supernatural cause like you know evil spirit or whatever and he used having too many digits polydactyly as the example and also he had a trees on medical treatments that we happen to have used in the Western world up until like I don't know if they like the 18th century but now in other words what ben shapiro swoosh well that may be true but bobby isn't it practical to do medicine i think that was his point this there was a lot of like practical use he's talking about practical things it's one thing to come up with ideas of human biology and physiology but it's the judeo-christians who come up with the stuff just for the heck of it like you know did you know that you couldn't yeah stand an egg on its side or something Bobby I just have to say I have to say this is it's music I mean this examples you're using I don't know if they'll make the final edit but they are literally in the Shapiro chapter of my book so I this is music to my oh and there's knit well now they are no this is a fundamental building block of the idea of there's no that the West is a fiction I mean like as is the East it's it's a really luta it's a it's an actually ludicrous construct and not from some like PC perspective it's just literally not how history works so that's awesome and I love how you look at the boundary what'd you say liberal here's brewing history liberal history folks I like how you broke it down so eloquently and then said yeah so basically he's full of which also does track very closely with the tone of the book well hey sir if you want a good resource for the interaction between Islam and metaphysics and modern Christian metaphysics the Stanford encyclopedia of philosophy if you look at something like probably Arabic influences on the West something like that there's an extensive article about all the interactions between the different metaphysical constructs that were built underneath the theological constructs at the times and how they were influenced one another which inevitably led to you know quarter times awesome Bobby appreciate the phone call recovery there hey you guys have a good one new to you guys in recovery mode after taking on so many high level important ideas call for a single show that has ever existed that's a call-in show that has this caliber of collars no honestly like I don't know like Bob grant Howard Stern well Howard Stern actually did pretty good we're out of time Oh hiking the Mad Dog this is uh Susan Wojcicki is that I already pronounced her name she is the YouTube CEO and she is answering a question at the recode code con I don't know what that is about the having to respond broadly I don't know if it's directly a question about crowder but the idea that like look you you supposedly support the LGBTQ community but in your operations of your business it's a little bit harder to tell that your marketing department seems pretty good at it but and here is the here's the question and the answer do you started off with an apology to the LGBTQ community but then you also said that you were involved in that you think YouTube made the right call a lot of people don't really feel like that's an apology and are concerned that YouTube Flags lgbtq+ content just for being LGBT as sometimes you know sensitive and yet slurs are allowed and I'm curious are you really sorry for anything to the LGBTQ community or are you just sorry that they were offended Sobers up I'm really personally very sorry and I it was not our intent our goal was YouTube has always been a home of so many LGBTQ creators and that's why it was it was so emotional and that's why I think this really that's why even though it was a hard decision it was made harder than it came from us because we've been such an important home and and even though like we made this hurt this decision which I'm gonna get into a little bit more with your question but saying we've really liked YouTube we have so many people from YouTube from that from the LGBTQ community and we've always wanted to support the community openly in spite of this hard issue that we've had right now so I'm just saying people have gotten a lot of criticism like why are you still you know why did you change your logo to rainbows even though you made this hard decision and it's because it's a company we really want to support this community it's just that from a policy standpoint we need to be consistent because if we look if we took down that content there would be so many other so much other content that we would need to take down and we are not we don't want to just be knee jerk we need to think about it in a very thoughtful way be able to speak with with everyone will speak to people from the LGBTQ community make sure that we're incorporating that going forward in terms of how we think about harassment and then make sure that we are implementing that in a fair and consistent way going forward and you know I think that it was it was a hard week and across the board and I am truly truly sorry for the hurt that we caused that community it was it was not our intention at all and I do want to like not that I want to take away in any way from the hurt or the challenge of what happened this week but I do want to let you know that many changes that we made in the hate policy which again is a different set of policies we think will be really beneficial for the LGBTQ community and there are a lot of videos there and a lot of ways that that community is attacked where we will be taking down those video going forward and we will be very consistent if we see that we will take it down so again thank you for your question and I really I really do apologize for the for the hurt that we caused now I know that YouTube is a division of Google I guess it's ABC is actually the company alphabet is there a way to short Google I mean YouTube in particular like is there a way that I can invest money on YouTube having some type of other massive problem because wow did she not think she was gonna get that question was she trying to say we do support LGBTQ folks and everything that we can as a company that is not associated with this policy we are working on it but the policy thing is extremely complicated because we need to thread a needle where we're not censoring people where we're not allowing this I mean the bottom line is they're hiding the ball and the ball is this they want to do everything based on algorithm they want to have as little people and evolved in this as possible this is a business model and they cannot say that because it's indefensible in many respects they make a ton of money like literally a ton like it would weigh a ton yes even if you had it in like a thousand dollar bills it would probably weigh a ton and they could go out and hire people to do this job but they want to make it algorithmic and so they're constantly tweaking the algorithm to figure it out I mean I can see it with our videos the things that get demonetised and I don't I don't get on Twitter and complain about it it's not a very high percentage but it's strange there are certain words in a title that will trigger it but then there are in the ones that you cannot figure out why why why was the ben shapiro when he got on BBC that one got to monetized we have video saying ben shapiro is a moron or something like that not the monetized and i think a lot of it again has to do well the reason why is because the algorithm can't see it and then they come and they say we've manually inspected it but i suspect what they actually are manually inspecting is some they're checking that the data in the data around the algorithm is correct i think i just want to add to excellent and i think you know of course the bigger thing is break these up and and they're monopolies and that's fundamentally dangerous to the economy and democracy but that's a great opportunity to start asking them when are you gonna hire teams of actual human beings journalists fact checkers opportunity ask a question regular gonna start oh no I'm no know I'm talking to the clip though Oh next wave of being able to ask oh right right effective questions in a public fora as some would say not me and then the other thing just to add to that and this is you know this is really disturbing but like they do hire human beings to do one of the most disturbing jobs imaginable a very good friend of Mines wife works at Google watching basically some of the most disturbing videos in human existence because they need actual human beings to make sure that you know I won't even describe it I think we all know really hideous videos are not uploaded because they can't outsource that to algorithms because there's criminal liabilities and things like that they hire human beings to do that they hire therapists to treat those human beings buzz so in other words they can do this they can it's that they're trying to expend as little money as possible and they could come up with policies that a human being could follow that could interpret like hey what is the context in which these words are said or why is this audience that maybe just watch something that was hateful coming to watch this – because I'm quite convinced when they do a manual review what they're doing is they're coming in and they're looking at the inputs and I don't know what the inputs are but I suspect that you know part of it is the content but it's really more the tags and the the the titling and it is maybe a certain amount of the comments but I'm convinced it's also what videos have been watched by this audience the last ten videos that they watched and I think when they come in and they do a manual review my guess is that they're saying like if the inputs there's a threshold right that triggers the algorithm if the inputs are within let's say 10 to 12 percent or within some margin of error that they have established then they say the algorithm could have made a mistake here it's too close we're gonna let if we're gonna let it be monetized whatever I mean I tell you this not because I we don't get D monetized that often I tell you about it just because I think from the perspective of what I've seen this must be what's going on because certainly there are words that we can put in a title I can assure you that we will get D monetized but then there are times where there's no outward reason why this thing should be demonetised if the other thing is monetized absolutely and just to add really briefly and those words that we know include words that you could understand that bias likely even descriptively would indicate being like an anti bigotry position so a way in which they're drawing false equivalency by the by the algorithm right like I did a video I don't even remember on which show it was but it was something like the global rise of Islamophobia gone immediately right because even and my point being is like that's a good example of how you know it isn't a question of what is this video actually saying about Muslims whether or not it's a reactionary tract or a left wing you know sort of defense or even somewhere in the middle of having a discussion around issues related to this it's just that is a problem word zone so regardless of what it's doing it's gone let's go to this to this is Bernie Sanders was with Harry Smith on CBS I mean it's sort of amazing because the the media that Bernie Sanders has gotten over the years now relative to where where he was able to get on five years ago ten years ago but here is NBC Nightly News with my big idea Bernie Sanders talking about Medicare what's your big idea Medicare for all me does that mean all that's all I mean you know let's be clear this is not a radical idea perhaps because Bernie Sanders has been delivering much the same message for more than thirty years we're going up not down here's Sanders then mayor of Burlington Vermont on The Today Show in 1981 you have maybe two percent of the population that owns one third of the entire wealth of America we met the senator on Capitol Hill in a tiny DC campaign office bottom line is Medicare is the most popular health insurance program in America far more popular than private health insurance policies and we think if we expand Medicare over four year period to all people you're gonna see a lot of people being very satisfied Americans would pay nothing at the doctor's office no co-pays at the ER he's even throwing in dental and vision care companies would no longer offer private health care to employees the cost in the trillions with a T if I want to can I opt out know the word that will come from Republicans is socialism well that may or may not be but it happened this is not a socialist program you know what is a socialist program it's the Veterans Administration you know what's a socialist program your Police Department your fire department those are government-run programs Medicare for all that's Bernie Sanders big idea there you go pretty amazing to lay it out like that he's not trying to like he's even throwing in dental care and in the thasians dental are pretty important the cost again you know this is really important to say it cost trillions is accurate but you also to get a notion of whether we can afford it you also have to put in there what it saves and so it it cost billions but it's trillions but it saves slightly more and so the net effect is actually a negative effect that's it that's according anyways to the Cato Institute numbers so I you know I don't I can't totally vouch for their numbers but certainly there been other breakdowns that that show a similar dynamic but that's specifically I'm citing the Cato Institute all right let's do six more Iams and then we are out of here Shawn seeing Sarah okay it's 35 so awkward on the other side of that when you're just sitting there do you start reading it out loud and there's old dirty five thirty what are some good responses when libertarians pose that Dems are the ones who are really in favor of slavery walk away well what I would do is I would say could you site where a Democrat has called for slavery in the past let's say 25 years when I call for the reinstituting of slavery we're not talking about the old slavery we're talking about something that fits with the modern demands of the economy meets people's dates watch sorry to bother you oh I think Oh are they talking about slavery like medicare-for-all or something like that taxes taxes welfare slavery do you mean like slavery slavery or are you using that word and an incredibly insane historically illiterate way right that would be the response Christo did anyone read a non Giada's – cover story in Time magazine about senator Sanders he makes the case that while it's contrary to what he wants to Bernie may need to share his story more to win the nomination and furthers political revolution does he is sharing his story he's certainly been you know there's been an attempt to get him to do that time might not be anywhere is in fluid shows once but the author is pretty good at what he does and sympathetic take on Ted yeah well uh we've had on on this program he's I would read him anywhere Chuck towed Fox is using the language of fascism's other ring to set up the punch down from the social dominance that group dynamic in order to let the bougie wuzzy get get idiots to vote for their policies because they are granted tacit consent to punch down on who they've been conditioned to see as others that is all that is over and over literally or fascism Sam it really is fascism it's insane but it's not the best part of best even give it any platform actually producer Lauren do you know if Mary Cheney ever had a dumb sub relationship with Tammy Bruce considering they're both angry right-wing I don't know Jay cool do you think that on the five thousand Sabbath Oda a majority report you'll be breaking down an interview on the view with Megan McCain and Baron Trump discussing the first signs of Donald having Alzheimer's congressional baseball fan if you haven't got a chance to check out Bernie scouting report footage you should he looked good out there in the ball field for being supposedly too old to run definitely a solid hitter with good legs Rando speaking of time being weird some people born in the 21st century can vote bee-boop after I listened to your debates with him on my way to work I got a book proposal from Walter block in my inbox I work for a publishing company I don't want to give too much away the topic of the book prompted me to look up his theory of eviction ISM which he says is the only justifiable position on abortion it essentially applies Lockean homesteading theory to pry of private property rights to abortion from Wikipedia Wikipedia building on the libertarian stand against trespass and murder blocks supports a right the first act eviction within the first six months but not the second act murder within the final three months he makes it out to sound so revolutionary but it just seems to uphold the roe v wade decision and repackage it through libertarian lens anyway weird coincidence in my partner was really urging me to I am you about it that's hilarious thank you be Boop and the final I am of the day are you going to play the tape of Crowder on Reubens show in which he comforts Reuben by telling him he's not a lisping queer see you tomorrow to get to where I want no sir I was I just got feel any better yeah take it I guess somewhere the choice is made so the option when you don't get paid laughs we tried takes you Wow

LIVE: President Trump speaks from the Rose Garden — Friday, Jan. 4, 2019

much we had a very very productive meeting and I think we've come a long way I'll discuss that in a second but first I imagine you've all seen the incredible job growth three hundred and twelve thousand jobs which took everybody by surprise estimates range from 160 to 180,000 and this really took people by surprise this is a great number I think it has a lot to do with the factories and with the companies that are moving back into the United States who have left and now they're coming back to us instead of being in other countries I can't tell you what that does to other countries but I'm the president of this country so three hundred and twelve thousand jobs was a tremendous number and obviously having a big impact on the stock market today and I do want people to remember that we've had a tremendous success despite the fact that I'm in the midst of negotiating incredible trade deals for our country that should have been negotiated many years ago by both parties to be honest but many years ago we are doing very well in a negotiation with China we pretty much concluded our negotiation with Canada with Mexico we have done the deal and signed the deal with South Korea which a lot of people said was not going to happen would be impossible it's a good deal it was a horrible deal it's a good deal I think a lot of this has to do with the fact though that already companies are moving back into our country that have left our country in some cases in some cases they're moving back because they want to be here but in many cases these are automobile companies that have left and gone to other countries and now they're coming back to the United States so it's nice to see one of the things that's so beautiful to watch is 3.2 percent wage growth that hasn't happened in so long for our country that's an incredible thing that means people are actually getting more money taking home more money and that's something that's really nice to see a lot of you have been following me when we were on a thing called the campaign I was an exciting campaign a great campaign and I used to talk about wages going down not going up but going down four years nineteen years and now they just went up 3.2 percent and yet there's no inflation because other things are going down like the price of your gasoline had to tank it's low and that doesn't happen by luck I work hard on that that's like a tax cut for people so a lot of good things are happening labor participation rate increase to sixty three point one that's an incredible number also so I just want to bring that out the economy is very good and remember from the time of my election the stock market's gone up very close to thirty percent and that's with all of the things that are happening and there are a lot of things happening we have a massive trade negotiation going on with China president she's very much involved so am i we're dealing at the highest levels that we're doing very well we're we're doing very well in the meantime we've taken in billions and billions of dollars in tariffs from China and from others our steel industries come roaring back and that makes me very happy I think we'll have to build a steel wall as opposed to a concrete wall because we have steel companies again there's something awfully nice about that sound so we had a productive meeting today with speaker Pelosi and Senator Schumer I thought it was really a very very good meeting we're all on the same path in terms of wanting to get government open we're going to be meeting I've designated a group and we're going to be meeting over the weekend that group to determine what we're going to do about the border really I want to thank a lot of the Border Patrol people and nice people who came up yesterday they had a tremendous impact on I think a lot of Democrats frankly but a lot of people because they were able to lay out exactly what the problem is and one of the problems described to me as an example your ports of entry we're going to agree with Chuck and Nancy and steady and dick durbin was there we're going to agree that and we want to make the ports bigger more powerful able to handle more traffic have very very powerful drug equipment there so they make very good stuff now we don't have it because of budgets and other reasons but we're going to make our ports of entry very powerful very strong we're gonna have the best drug finding equipment anywhere in the world they make it much better today than they made it even two years ago and I explained to him the problem is though we can have a wonderful port of entry but you have two thousand miles of border between the United States and Mexico and if you take a look and you see like we do through certain technology including cameras in airplanes not just drones you'll see vast numbers of vehicles driving through the desert and entering where you don't have a very powerful fence or a wall that happened this week where a wonderful young police officer I spoke to his wife yesterday where he was shot viciously shot for simply stopping a person that came over the border illegally that shot killed and took the most beautiful picture just hours before a Christmas picture we don't want that happening but I was explained to and I explained to people because it's really common sense so you have ports of entry we have great security at the ports of entry and then you may have fencing or walls up and down left and right east and west but they stopped because we don't have proper border security these people have vehicles and they drive to the right they're not going through where we have great Border Patrol officers and ice officers and military now I tell you the military's done a fantastic job they don't stop they go right to the easiest part and the weakest part sometimes out in desert but you have miles and miles and miles of unprotected area and you can see where they drive over you even have people walking that Trek that's a very dangerous Trek and they bring children or even worse they use children you know children are the biggest beneficiaries of what we want to do children are hurt more than anybody else these coyotes what they do with children all because we have open borders because I think they can get away with it they don't come in through the port where we have a lot of protection they come in through empty areas vast spaces empty areas just like this terrible person came in when he shot officer Singh they come in through these vast open areas you don't even have a sign saying mexico-us is no sign designating you have just entered the United States just open space and I explained that to the meeting today with Nancy Pelosi Chuck Schumer and a lot of other people at the meeting and I said one of the things that happens there is human traffickers maybe that's the worst of all where you'll have traffickers having three and four women with tape on their mouths and tied up sitting in the back of a van or a car and they'll drive that van or the car not through a port of entry where we have very talented people that look for every little morsel of drugs or even people or whatever they're looking for not going to go there if they get off the road and they drive out into the desert and they come on they make a left turn usually it's a left not a right most of them come out because in San Diego and in areas of California we just finished brand-new walls beautiful walls steel walls and they wanted him badly they were asking us that's why we did it there I said let's not do it in California California always complains through their great governor's they're always complaining I said let's not do it let the governor ask us but we did it anyway because they really needed it they were having tremendous problems so we built a brand new wall in San Diego and it's working really well you should go and look at it it's amazing it's incredible how well it works but these coyotes and these human traffickers they make a right turn before they get to the port of entry they go as far as the wall is or as far as the barricade is and then they make it left welcome to the United States and what they do with usually the women sometimes children that they're trafficking with and in you don't want to know about so the only way you're going to stop that is by having a solid steel structure or concrete structure whether it's a wall or some form of very powerful steel now the steel is actually more expensive than the concrete but I think we're probably talking about steel because I really feel the other side feels better about it and I can understand what they're saying it is more expensive we mentioned the price that we want five point six billion dollars very strongly because numbers are thrown around one point six two point one two point five this is national security we're talking about we're not talking about games we're talking about national security they should have been done by all of the presidents that preceded me and they all know it some of them have told me that we should have done it so we're not playing games we have to do it and just remember human traffickers remember drugs the drugs are pouring into this country they don't go through the ports of entry when they do they sometimes get caught when finish and the Democrats do want this they want ports of entry strengthened and I want to do that too in fact we have it down it's about four hundred million dollars and we can have the best equipment in the world now what's they'll do if we have the protection and we have strong ports of entry with this incredible drug finding equipment I don't know what they're gonna do because they're not coming in through past the steel gates or the steel walls or the concrete walls depending on what's happening because we are meeting this weekend we have a group I've set up a group they are going to tell us who they are a group of experts and probably people in the Senate and congressmen and women are going to come and we have three I said give us three that I said you know what send over nine or six or three or two doesn't matter send over whoever you want but it's common sense so now when they make that turn they make it and now all of a sudden they can't go any further and they have to go back and that's going to stop the caravans for two reasons number one they're not going to be able to get through but when they realize they can't get through what's going to happen they're not going to form and they're not going to try and come up and they can apply for asylum and they can most importantly they can apply for citizenship because the companies that I told you that created these great job numbers they're incredible job numbers beyond anybody's expectations I don't think there was one wall street genius of which I know many of them but they're not geniuses there's not one that predicted anywhere close to these job numbers I thought they were gonna be good but there wasn't one that I saw so now we have everything so beautifully handled we need to have however we need border security and all of this security if we do what I think what the Democrats want all of the border things that we'll be building will be done right here in the good old USA by steel companies that were practically out of business when I came into office as president and now they are thriving you call up the heads of US Steel and I could name ten companies you look at what's going on in the steel industry it's almost a miracle it was a dead industry we need steel for defense we need steel for a lot of things steel and aluminum but those industries were in deep trouble the steel industry was almost dead and now it's a very vibrant vibrant industry so what I'm going to do is ask first of all Mike Pence vice president to say a couple of words because Mike is we put together a team of people that will work over the weekend and they'll be negotiating on the border on the look on different things having to do with border security including at the ports of entry and I think they're going to be very successful because I found that Democrats really want to do something so we're at five point six if you look at it five point six billion dollars but we are able to also in addition to that because what we want to do has to be done properly and we're negotiating very tough prices very very tough because you heard much higher numbers those higher numbers were very much a misnomer you heard 20 and 25 billion andhaka what happened is when a judge incredibly because it was an incredibly I will say wrong decision in fact what President Obama when he signed the daca with the executive order made a statement to the effect this isn't going to work and some judge from the ninth circuit here we go again upheld it and that it was upheld by the Ninth Circuit appellate and now it's going before the United States Supreme Court and hopefully that will be properly adjudicated because if it is talks will begin on larger immigration matters having to do with dock having to do with other things so that is taking place we may add a few things on to our discussions over the weekend but I'm gonna ask Mike Pence and then I'll have leader McCarthy say a few words and we'll take a couple of questions but we're very proud of the jobs and the job numbers that was incredible and I think I'll be even more proud if we can have great border security for the first time in really the history of our country the southern border is a dangerous horrible disaster we've done a great job but you can't really do the kind of job we have to do unless you have a major powerful barrier and that's what we're going to have to have so first we start with Mike Pence Thank You mr. president we are nearly two weeks into a government shutdown but our nation is also in the midst of a crisis on our southern border and today President Trump convened for the second time this week Republican and Democrat leaders from the Congress to address both issues and we are truly grateful for the candid and constructive dialogue that took place today here at the White House with Speaker Pelosi and leader Schumer with with our Republican Senate leadership as well and we look forward to continued dialogue over the course of this weekend make no mistake about it we are in the midst of a crisis at our southern border every day nearly 2,000 people are apprehended or stopped attempting to come into our country that have no lawful claim to be here last year alone 17,000 individuals with previous criminal records were apprehended attempting to come across our southern border every day all across this country in a single week 300 Americans lose their lives to the scourge of heroin addiction 90% of the heroin in this country flows through our southern border and the human trafficking that the president just described so compellingly last month alone 20,000 miners were brought alone across our border were interdicted by Border Patrol personnel you heard the president's passion today here at the podium and we all leader McCarthy and all the leaders gathered in the Situation Room today heard the president's passion for the better part of two hours not just to address the government shutdown but to address border security and this crisis at our southern border and today President Trump provided the kind of leadership that the American people expect in such a moment he made it clear that we are committed to achieving border security as we resolve this budget impasse he made it clear that we are going to build a wall on our southern border as I said the conversations were constructive and substantive and at the close of the meeting the president had directed me and Jared Kushner and secretary Nielsen to meet with top level staff of Democrat and Republican leadership in the House and Senate over the course of this weekend and see if we could build on the common ground that we identified in the discussions today our aim will be to find a solution not just simply to end the government shutdown to provide funding to end the crisis at our southern border to achieve real border security and to build a wall on our southern border and mr. president I promise I promise you as you promised the Republican and Democrat leadership today that we will work earnestly over the weekend we will work in good faith and the American people deserve nothing less and we we enter this weekend and these discussions hopeful again not simply that we will end a budget shutdown but that we will make finally meaningful progress on securing our southern border to prevent the flow of narcotics human trafficking illegal immigration that is so beset our country now for more than a generation and with the president's leadership and direction will hope to accomplish just that I came down for the second time this week basing on the meeting that we had earlier in the week I didn't expect the meeting to last very long there's two hours this was much more productive than we've had in any other time I think there's places that we can find common ground the president was very strong what he needs to have happen here we need border security we want the government to open but I found in our discussion sometimes were tough but there is areas that we can find agreement on that's when the president interjected that he actually thought what would be best that he would designate three individuals with the vice president being the lead that worked through the weekend build on this progress and that each leader would also sit the president's very kind to the speaker I think you said she can bring twice as many right if need be five times I know Mitch McConnell the leader McConnell standing down I'm sending members down staffers there he can work throughout the weekend I know the president said he will call us back next week invite us back as well we want to solve this problem there is a great need to do it and we can get it done it just has to have the will but I see the will from this administration I will promise you this I will work with anybody who wants to move America forward secure our border and put this government back open and I'm making that pledge here and I hope every other leader will make that pledge as well if that means we're staying in the room to get it done we will stay in the room and get this job done and there was progress today I look forward to solving it Thank You mr. president and I thought we had a very important productive meeting today and what this has always been about is securing the border and keeping America safe I want to thank the president for the commitment that he's made for over two years now to achieve what many presidents promised and we've seen the promises but it was never followed through with actual law that gets this job done secretary Neilson has gone over the numbers and the numbers are alarming you know one of the numbers that jumps out is last year in 2017 actually over 3,700 known or suspected terrorists tried to enter into this country these are serious numbers when you see the human trafficking and 2017 our ice agents saved over 900 kids one year alone saved over 900 kids from sexual assault and human trafficking things that are happening at the southern border because there's no wall there's no physical barrier there's no way to actually control ports of entry if somebody wants to seek asylum there's a way to do that there are legal ways to come to this country and legal immigration has made this country great we by the way America let in over a million people every single year by far the most generous nation in the world and yet we have laws that need to be followed to keep Americans safe and to protect the integrity of a system where right now there are millions of people who are waiting in line to come to America to seek the American Dream like officer Singh did when he sought his chance at the American dream that dream was taken it was taken because we don't have a secure border we can't let this continue as we work to open the government let's always keep the focus on what this is about it's about secure in this country the Secretary of Homeland Security has made it clear what it's going to take to secure our border president Trump is following through on that commitment to keep America safe and hopefully as we work through the weekend we can get a resolution that achieves all of those objectives Thank You major mr. president Senator Schumer came out and said that the meeting from his point of view and speaker Pelosi's was contentious he also said you said in the meeting this is him quoting you I just want to check that the shutdown could go on for months or even a year or longer did you say that and yeah sure I did is that we are absolutely I said that I don't think it will but I am prepared and I think I can speak for Republicans in the House and Republicans in the Senate they feel very strongly about having a safe country having a border that makes sense without borders I've said it many times we don't have a country I hope it doesn't go on even beyond a few more days it really could open very quickly I told them that bring who you want we have three people you can ideally bring three but you can bring six you can bring nine you can bring 12 and they're gonna be working over the weekend I think it may have been somewhat contentious but I think it was very productive I have to say that and I think he said that to a productive part from your point of view mr. president did the Democrats move at all in your direction on funding of a border into that because I don't want to put them in a position where they have to justify anything to a lot of the people that they have to make happy we want to save lives we want children to be safe the children are being decimated and I'm not talking about necessarily children in our country I'm talking about wonderful children that are coming up from other places whether it's Honduras or Guatemala or El Salvador or Mexico or other places and we have to take care of those children also we can't let them die on the way up what's happening to women on those caravans you're not talking about it but it's horrible what's happening if they know it's not going to take place because they can't get through because we have a great border wall or fence or barrier they're not going to come up and you're not going to have the problem at the same time they can apply to come into our country legally like so many people have done and we need people major we have to have people because we have all these companies coming in we need great people but we want them to come in on a merit basis and they have to come in on a merit basis they can't come in the way they've been coming in for years I get calls from the great tech companies and they're saying we don't allow people at the top of their class at the best schools in the country we don't allow them to stay in our country so they end up going back to China and Japan and so many other countries all over the world and we don't keep them they get educated at our finest schools and then we don't allow them through a various set of circumstances to have any guarantees of staying so we lose out on on great minds we can't do that we have companies that if we don't change that and we're working on that and we discussed that with the Democrats and I think they agree well working on that but we don't want to lose our great companies because we have a ridiculous policy that we won't accept smart people so call it politically correct or not but we have to let these great brilliant companies have the smartest people in the world yes ma'am well at one at a time please go ahead mr. president why not reopen the government to create more space to have that broader conversation well we think it could go very quickly no we won't be opening until it's solved we think this is a much bigger problem the border is a much more dangerous problem it's a much bigger problem it's a problem of national security it's a problem of terrorists you know I talk about human traffickers I talk about drugs I talk about gangs but a lot of people don't say we have terrorists coming through the southern border because they find that's probably the easiest place to come through they drive right in and they make a left not gonna happen he's not gonna happen so so we're not going to do that we won't be doing pieces we won't be doing it in drips and drabs and I'll tell you what I've seen a lot of people over the last week and a half I've been right in this magnificent structure right behind you it's called the White House and I was here on Christmas and I was here my family was in Florida I said go to Florida and I didn't even find it to be a lonely place there's something very special about the white house but I was here Christmas I was here on New Year's Eve and I will tell you the people that I've spoken with and I've gotten to meet a lot of people that I wouldn't have met a lot of people have been coming through the white house and explaining different things and different attitudes a lot of people that you think are upset and certainly they're not thrilled but they say sir do the right thing we need border security and these are people that won't be getting paid Border Patrol yesterday we're saying sir we're affected by it do what's right it's time this is after many many decades many many decades this should have taken place a long time ago we're gonna get it done yes ma'am thank you questions for you was daca part of the discussions today and also why did it take this many days for a working group to come together why didn't you just hash the details out sometimes that's what happens in a negotiation it does take longer than it should and sometimes you agree to things that could have been agreed to two weeks ago but that's just the way a negotiation is I mean we we set out a number five point six billion we're very firm on a number we also explained that as you probably understand the military is very affected we may use the military for parts of it Homeland Security obviously is very affected we may in addition to the five point six we will use Homeland Security funds so we have things happening in addition to the five point six but we have to get a structure built Thank You mr. president to follow up on that question whenever we respected the daca program were you discussing that in terms of a pathway to citizenship being included an end to the partial government shutdown well we discussed it a long time ago as you remember that was when they had this mythical number of 25 billion but actually it was 25 billion but only 1 billion up front and we talked two billion one and a half billion the rest of it the government couldn't guarantee because it's not set up to guarantee remember those discussions but where it really ended was when the judge ruled against and it was I I said as soon as that happened because I was a shocking decision it was shocking to the Democrats and it was more shocking to the Republicans it was a incorrect decision it was a political decision made by a judge and I know a lot of people don't like when I say it but try going there sometime to the Ninth Circuit and try winning the case not easy everyone files right in the Ninth Circuit the fact is it was a terrible decision and an incorrect decision when that decision came down when that judge ruled the way he ruled I said as soon as I heard it I said you know what's gonna happen we're never gonna hear from them again and that's exactly that's what broke up the daca deal yes we had a pathway we had many things that was getting close to being a deal the problem was that the money was a very small amount of money wasn't really the 25 it was 25 and then come back every year well we don't want to go through that every year but we were getting close and I said as soon as that decision came down that incorrect and horrible decision I mean there's been a number of them made lately but as soon as that decision came down I said you'll never hear from him again and I called up I said hi it's President Trump what's going on they say President Trump we don't know who that is it was over the deal was over that's what killed the docket there was nothing else it was the judge's decision and if the Supreme Court does what really everyone thinks from a legal standpoint it should be doing if they don't allow the President of the United States which is me also because if President Obama is allowed to do that I'm allowed to do it also can you imagine if the supreme court overrules that wrong executive order we'll have a deal very quickly on daca and other things and the Democrats want that and so do we but once he ruled that way it was something you couldn't really negotiate yes Haley the president two questions for you are you still proud to own this shutdown well you know I appreciate the way you say that but once I'm very proud of doing what I'm doing I don't go order shutdown I call it doing what you have to do for the benefit and for the safety of our country but when Nancy Pelosi said you don't have the votes in Congress I will tell you what I was proud of I was never more proud of my Republican Party and those Congress men and women when they saw that and they got together and they voted 217 to 185 and it wasn't even close that was an incredible day I'm very proud of that when she said you couldn't get the vote and I'm not holding that against her because despite the fact that I'm not saying it was an easy meeting or even a kind meeting or a nice meeting but in the end I think we've come a long way and we're gonna be working very hard over the weekend and we'll see if we can do something so you can call it whatever you want you can call it the Schumer or the Pelosi or the Trump shut down doesn't make any difference to me just words yeah just one second just one second place to place Thank You mr. president two questions just to follow up on daca are you open to a path to citizenship in theory for daca recipients and then can you explain to federal employees of the agencies that are closed which are not homeland security why those agencies should stay closed Homeland Security is significant and of itself if it stay closed because we want to do what's right and we want to do it all at one time we don't want to take it in pieces we just don't want to do that and doc is gonna be a great subject I look forward to discussing it we'll discuss it at another time but there are a lot of great things that can happen with daca if the Democrats want to do that I think what we're all waiting for to be honest is the Supreme Court judge judges the Supreme Court justices ruling in a not very long period of time you know as you know it's up now hopefully they we'll be making a ruling maybe sometime in the summer so I think before we discuss too much Dhaka I would like to see what happens I think it's a very important decision because frankly if they rule the way it is it gives the president too much power can you imagine me saying that but I would be entitled to the same power it's it's not a correct thing that took place and President Obama never felt it was going to hold up and it held up but I don't think it's gonna hold up at the Supreme Court if it doesn't hold up you're gonna see a lot of good things happening because you'll be having daca and you'll be putting other things with daca hopefully by that time the wall will be well under construction and just a little statement on that we've already built a lot of the wall we've been working very very hard we've renovated a tremendous amount of wall I just told you we did a lot of wall in San Diego where we needed it very badly where they wanted it very badly so we haven't been sitting still for the first believe it or not less than two years we've been we've been working very very hard the wall is we've done a lot of miles of wall already so we're not just starting off fresh but we have large numbers of miles that we have to do and we can't let gaps because if you have gaps those people are going to turn their vehicles or the gangs if they're going to be coming in through those gaps and we cannot let that happen Kevin Kevin Kevin Thank You mr. president appreciate that question about government employees what is your personal message to those who are impacted by the shutdown and if you wouldn't mind if you could comment on the remarks made by a freshman Congress person about impeachment involving a bit of a penalty last night well you can't impeach somebody that's doing the great job that's the way I view it I've probably done more in the first two years than any president any administration in the history of our country you look at tax cuts you look at regulations you look at what we've done for the vets you look at the rebuilding of the military and the numbers that we're talking about and and many other things I could give you a list it's pages long so I think it's very hard to impeach somebody who's done a great job that's and and we even talked about that today I said why don't you use this for impeachment and Nancy said we're not looking to impeach you I said that's good Nancy that's good but you know what you don't impeach people when they're doing a good job and you don't appease people when there was no collusion because there was no collusion you know Russians better than I do Kevin okay there was no coalition I didn't need Russians to help me win Iowa I didn't need Russians to help me win the great state of Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania I won them because I went there and I campaigned hard and my opponent didn't go there enough and she lost a lot of good states a lot of states that for many many years for decades have gone Democrat they went Republican that's why I won not because of not because of Russia your comment about the freshman Congress person's comments specifically well I thought her comments were disgraceful this is a person that I don't know I assume she's new I think she dishonored herself and I think she dishonored her family using language like that in front of her son and whoever else was there I thought that was a great dishonor to her and to her family I thought it was highly disrespectful to the United States of America yes go ahead Thank You mr. president earlier this week you repeated your claim that through the USMC a Mexico will be parents right well can you describe in detail the specific mechanisms in the trade deal that were you gonna be seeing it very soon well we made a new deal a new trade deal nafta's what been one of the great disasters of all time probably the worst trade deal ever made maybe we lost millions of jobs thousands and thousands of companies NAFTA left our country dry NAFTA was a disaster I campaigned on either terminating or renegotiating NAFTA and bobwhite hyzer and Jared Kushner and a whole group of people did an incredible job they did an incredible job and now we have a deal that's great for our country and by the way good for Mexico good for Canada also as you know it's the three countries we will be taking in billions and billions of dollars more money for the United States including jobs including companies that won't be leaving us anymore and going to Mexico and in some cases Canada to a lesser extent but we lost 25 percent of our car business because of NAFTA NAFTA was a disaster now we have the u.s. MCA to United States Mexico and Canada Trade Agreement it's brand-new it's totally different it makes it very difficult for companies to incentive wise move to other countries and we will be making billions and billions of dollars a year more money and that is the thing excuse me because I didn't have to that is paying for the wall many many times over in fact what we save on the u.s. MCA the new trade deal we have with Mexico and Canada what we save on that just with Mexico will pay for the wall many times over just in a period of a year two years and three years so I view that as absolutely Mexico is paying for the wall and that's fine would you be pressuring yes yes ma'am god you ran your campaign promising supporters that Mexico is going to pay for the wall was going to be made of concrete you just said earlier that the wall could be made of steel and right now our government is shut down over a demand from your administration that the American taxpayer pay for the wall so how can you say you're not failing on that promise to your supporters a very nice question so beautifully asked even though just answered let me just excuse me excuse me you ready are you ready I just told you that we just made a trade deal and we will take in billions and billions of dollars for more than the cost of the wall the wall is peanuts compared to what the value of this trade deal is to the United States as far as concrete I said I was going to build a wall I never said I'm gonna build a concrete I said I've got to build a wall just so you know cuz I know you're not into the construction business you don't understand we now have a great steel business that's rebuilt in the United States Steel is stronger than concrete if I build this wall or fence or anything that Democrats need to call it because I'm not into names I'm into production I'm into something that works if I build a steel wall rather than a concrete wall it will actually be stronger than a conquerer steel is stronger than concrete okay in case you could check it out listen if I build a wall and the wall is made out of steel instead of concrete I think people will like that and here's the other good thing I'll have it done by the United States Steel Corporation by companies in our country that are now powerful great companies again and they become powerful over the last two years because of me and because of our trade policies so if I have a steel wall or you could call it a steel fence but it'll be more powerful than any of the concrete walls that we're talking about it's possible that it will look better and one of the things I think you have seen this that's very important for us very very important in speaking of border patrol ice and actually local law enforcement and even military they want to be able to see through it you can't really see through a concrete wall they want to be able to see who's on the other side of the wall because if they're here and you have about a 12 inch concrete wall and you have people on the other side but you can't see what's over there it's very dangerous they want to be able to see through the wall a see-through wall made out of steel is far stronger than a concrete wall so I'm very happy with it I think I think I'm not sure but I think that's what the Democrats prefer and if it can get them there I'm ok it actually will be a more powerful wall and it will be a more beautiful wall than having a concrete wall so it's a new trade deal mr. president Jeff Jeff go ahead you go ahead Jeff you mentioned China sir in your remarks are you concerned about the words and the actions of Apple this week with regard to revenue and can you tell us what sort of progress you meant when you were referring to trade talks with China well I think we're doing very well China's paying us tremendous tariffs we're getting billions and billions of dollars of money pouring into the Treasury of the United States which in history we've never gotten from China as you know it's been very unfair I had a fantastic meeting with President Xi who I both like and respect one of the things that came out of that meeting was spent at all as you know almost all of it comes from China and he's going to now criminalize the making effect at all and unlike our country they have unbelievably strong prohibitions about drugs that was not on their list they view it as a I guess as some kind of a commercial product now they view it as something that's very dangerous they're going to be changing their laws to make to make fentanyl a criminal a criminal process if you're making fentanyl if they do that you know what their ultimate is it's called the death penalty I think that could have a tremendous presence she very much the first question I said to him before we started the trade talks in Argentina this was a meeting that was supposed to last for about 45 minutes and it ended up being almost four hours some of you were there it was a great meeting we'll see what happens you never know with a deal but I will tell you China is not doing well now and it puts us in a very strong position we are doing very well but we're taking in billions and billions of dollars and I hope we're going to make a deal with China and if we don't they're paying us tens of billions of dollars worth of tariffs it's not the worst thing in the world but I think we will I think we will make a deal with China I really think they want to I think they sort of have to and I think we're going to have a great relationship I think that President Xi and myself have a great relationship also North Korea we're doing very well with North Korea and that's based on relationship also yeah can you just mr. Pres I go ahead one more quickly or Apple rather issued a revenue warning this week which led its stock to go down and the rest of the stock market to go down as well are you concerned about that no I'm not I mean look they've gone up a lot you know they've gone up hundreds of percent since I'm president Apple was at a number that was incredible and they're gonna be fine Apple is a great company but that's not my look I have to worry about our country don't forget don't forget this Apple makes their product in China I told Tim Cook who's a friend of mine who I like a lot make you product in the United States build those big beautiful plants that go on for miles it seems build those plants in the United States I like that even better Apple makes its product in China China is the biggest beneficiary of Apple more than us because they build their product mostly in China but now he's investing three hundred and fifty billion dollars because of what we did with Texas and the incentives that we created in the United States is going to build a campus and lots of other places so my my focus is the United States I want to get those companies to come back like so many are doing into the United States I want Apple to make their iPhones and all of the great things that they make in the United States and that'll take place thank you miss go ahead Thank You mr. president I want to ask you two questions one as you talked about the wall eminent domain many of those who own property on the southern border will lose their property because of this and once this happens they say that they could go to court with you for years it could take years then also what is the safety net for federal workers you're saying months and possibly a year for this shutdown do you have in mind a safety net for those who need their checks those who need s-s-i those who need Medicaid what have you well the safety net is going to be having a strong border because we're gonna be safe I'm not talking about economically but ultimately economically I really believe that these people many of the people that we're talking about many of the people you're discussing I really believe that they agree with what we're doing and could have this April we can have this fixed very quickly we can this can happen by early next week we're gonna be working over the weekend we could have a solution to this but I wanted to keep it all at one point and I think a lot of the people that you're referring to April Argo are really wanting that to happen – I really believe a lot of them want to see border security and they're willing to give it up I had when I had the people in yesterday they represent most of the Border Patrol the people that you had yesterday that were at the news conference they represent most supportive Patrol every one of them said don't even think about us get this fixed that is doing the great thing for a country as far as eminent domain you're right a hundred percent eminent domain is very interesting but without eminent domain you wouldn't have any high highways you wouldn't have any schools you wouldn't have any roadways what we're doing with them in a domain is in many cases we'll make a deal upfront and we've already done that the Secretary has done a lot of that and if we can't make a deal we take the land and we pay them through a court process which goes actually fairly quickly and we're generous but we take the land otherwise you could never build anything if you didn't use them in a domain you wouldn't have one highway in this country you have to use eminent domain it's actually something you don't want to use it but if you're going to do a stretch as an example of pipelines and other things that go you have to use eminent domain otherwise you'd never be able to buy the land if we had one person that wouldn't sell us out of hundreds just one it only takes one that we wouldn't be able to build proper border security because we'd have that big opening that I was talking about so what happens is some are paid upfront you make a deal upfront and we're willing to do that in all cases and when they're unwilling to make a deal which also happens then you go to court but in the meantime we're able to build the border security so I think it's a fair process I think it's a process that's very necessary but I think it's fair that hold up your wall no it's not gonna hold it up because under the military version of eminent domain and under actually homeland security we can do it before we even start now a lot of times we'll make a deal and I would say a good percentage of the time we're making deals we have already purchased a lot of it a lot of the money that we've been given has already been spent on purchasing the land the right-of-way it's essentially a right-of-way so we are very very far along on that but eminent domain is something that has to be used usually you would say for anything that's long like a road like a pipeline or like a wall or a fence okay thank you good question it's a good question please please go ahead thank you two questions first mr. president have you considered using emergency power if we keep this going or not folks sure I just don't want to say always stood out there you know you have so many questions I'm just looking at Mike and Steve and Kevin I'm saying should we and most importantly the Madam Secretary I'm just oh you are you called yeah take take mine you know I'm just saying you want sure we keep this going away yes go ahead so first let me know when you get tired have you considered using emergency powers to grant yourself authorities to build this wall without congressional approval and second yes I have to go you have yes I have and I can do it if I want so you don't need congressional approval to build no we can use them absolutely we can call a national emergency because of the security of our country absolutely no we can do it I haven't done it I may do it I may do it but we could call a national emergency and build it very quickly and it's another way of doing it but if we can do it through a negotiated process we're giving that a shot so is that a threat hanging over the Democrats I never threatened anybody but I am allowed to do that yes second question called a national emergency on Mexico the benefits from that trade deal are going to go to private companies private citizens so you're talking about tax revenues they're gonna pay tremendous tax so it's American taxpayer I'll give you an example when a company was going to leave for Mexico or Canada but for Mexico because we lost tremendous amounts of our car business like 25 percent to Mexico if they stay all of those says that they have been paying real estate taxes sales taxes employee employer taxes tremendous taxes that nobody even understands they pay a tremendous income taxes federal income taxes state income taxes in some cases all of those taxes stay with us the wall is you know it's it's great but the u.s. MCA which gives a disincentive for companies to leave it's a tremendous disincentive anybody that leaves after this deal is done look it's one of the primary reasons that I like it cuz I can live pre NAFTA – the only thing I can't live with is NAFTA I can live pre NAFTA before NAFTA before everybody left New England and left all of the different places Ohio Pennsylvania I mean you still have empty steel factories all over the place and other factories I can live pre NAFTA very easily but the only thing I'm not living with is NAFTA that was one of the worst trade deals ever made so those are American taxpayer dollars which you consider essentially Mexico paying for the wall well many many times over look the u.s. MCA will make in the form that we right now are losing approximately a hundred hard to believe and this doesn't include the drugs pouring in which is probably a much higher number than anybody would even know in addition to destroying lives and families so horribly we are losing close to a hundred billion dollars a year on trade with Mexico for many years not only that they have a tax of seventeen percent we don't have a tax so they have a value-added tax of seventeen percent we don't have a tax of seventeen percent that deal was bad today was made because they charged the tax before the deal was made it we didn't it was an obsolete deal when it was made like thirty years ago whatever it was no no all of this stuff is changing now this is a fair deal this is a good deal for Mexico frankly oil companies and other companies have an incentive now to go to Mexico and take oil out and that's why we're keeping gasoline prices so low you look at what's going on with gasoline prices I mean it's rather incredible if you look back four months ago oil hit 83 dollars a barrel 83 it was heading to a hundred and then it could have gone to a hundred and twenty-five you want to see problems let that happen after I made some phone calls to OPEC and the OPEC nations which is essentially a monopoly all of a sudden it started coming down I'm very happy with what's happened and I'm very happy that people are paying a lot less in many cases than $2 a gallon for gasoline you look at what's happening everyone's talking about didn't happen by luck it happened through talent go ahead go ahead since you said you'd come back for the second question months or years I want to understand how you expect federal workers to last that long without getting a paycheck specifically since you're I don't think it will vary how many members are set to get real tomorrow I will have to talk to the cabinet members in okay I'm sure they don't even know that let me just tell you this it's very important that we have great border security I think it's going to be over with sooner than people think but I will do whatever we have to do if we have to stay out for a very long period of time we're going to do that and many of those people maybe even most of those people that really have not been and will not be getting their money in at this moment those people in many cases are the biggest fan of what we're doing how do you know that's all right major go ahead $10,000 raise that your cabinet members and senior administration officials are due to receive starting tomorrow will you ask them not to accept that at least during the shutdown it I might consider that you know that's something I may consider that's a very good question okay who else is out there my kudiye see out there that's are you committing to that mr. president mr. president are you committing to that go ahead yeah good go ahead go ahead No Thank You mr. vice president my flight you thank you Mike highly recommended you watch this will be the killer of them all well two questions if that's all right first one is kind of a fault for that for you're a landlord for people that are worried about paying their rent checks government employees right now people that are worried about bill collectors would you ask those companies though landlords to kind of go easy I think they will I think what you want to do I'm sorry would you I think that happens you know hey I've been a landlord for a long time I've been in the real estate business for a long time when you see their problems out their difficulties out there you know the people are all good for the money they work with people they work with you would encourage landlord sure I would encourage them to be nice and easy we have a bigger subject that we're doing it's called the security of our nation including terrorism please okay if you don't want more questions all right but if you don't mind okay thanks sir oh come on okay sir excuse me thank you mr. president thank you I had a question about the terrorism I wanted to ask who are these individuals on who are being captured terrorists are they people on the watchlist are they from travel ban countries a second question I wanted to ask why is senator Mitch McConnell not here why was he not involved he's been great he's been really Fenton Mitch McConnell first of all he was here he was with us for hours at the meeting why is he not here at the running the Senate I mean rich McConnell has been fantastic he has been really great he's right at the top of everything that we're doing and he's really been fantastic Kirsten do you want to answer that question about the terrorism sure obviously I can't get into classified information but what we do know is we've stopped CBP has stopped over 3,000 what we call special interest aliens trying to come into the country on the southern border those are aliens who the Intel community has identified are of concern they either have travel patterns that are identified as terrorist travel patterns or they have or suspected ties to terrorism so we have 3,000 that we know about I think what the president continues to make clear is it's our sovereign do you need to know who comes into our country without any kind of a structure and without changing the laws we have no way to know the identity of every person that walks across the unsecured border so the ones we know about we can give you 3,000 but I'm sure we can give you we'll look to see what else we can give you on class obviously there's ongoing investigations that I can't get into so I think that we can say with surety I think it was a great meeting we'll see what happens it may get solved it may not get solved you now know the number you now know what we're willing to do and if we have to do it we'll do it and again we're going to be I believe very productive over the weekend we have a very talented group they have a very talented group of people so I understand and I think some tremendous things will happen and I really believe the biggest beneficiaries of what we're doing or children or women are workers and a lot of these people that really do benefit are not only the people in our country but the people that travel up trying to get into a country that they think they're going to get into and they can't and they get sick and there's tremendous damage done to them and their families these are all tremendous beneficiaries of what we're doing so this really does have a higher purpose than next week's pay and the people that won't get next week's pay or the following weeks pay I think if you ever really looked at those people I think they'd say mr. president keep going this is far more important I want to thank you all and we'll see you soon they'll be working very hard over the weekend thank you very much yes got you go

Why Are Politicians Doubling Down On Their Offensive Comments? | Velshi & Ruhle | MSNBC

this just in cNN has just filed a lawsuit against the White House the network is demanding the return of the White House press credentials for their reporter Jim Acosta and they're also accusing the White House officials of violating CNN and Acosta's First Amendment rights and if you think that's not normal now Mississippi Senator Cindy hyde-smith she's doubling down defending her comments after joking about attending a public hanging video of the Republican making remarks first surfaced over the weekend the senator then released this statement quote in a comment on November 2nd I referred to accepting an invitation to a speaking engagement in referencing the one who invited me I used an exaggerated expression of regard and any attempt to turn this into a negative connotation is ridiculous reporters surprise surprise pressed her on this yesterday I put out a statement yesterday and we stand by the statement and that's all I'm going to say about it hyde-smith faces they run off on November 27th with Democrat Mike SB who is african-american joining me now MSNBC contributor and Princeton University professor Eddie Glaude and back with me former senator bob torricelli Eddie there's a lot to go through here every day we're trying to figure out do we follow the the most recent this is unheard of this is unprecedented this is crazy because when we do many people say oh you're just chasing the most recent shiny distraction but in not covering them and not talking about these issues the risk we run Eddie is that our norms are being pushed out of whack and our democracy the foundation of this nation was built on those norms yeah what we've experienced since 2016 and actually but a little bit before that Stephanie is Normie Rosen that the kind of basic common sense agreements that we've had that we've held that kind of stabilize our democracy have been tossed out of the window and here what we see I think is really interesting is the effects of the discussion of discourse around political correctness that somehow to apologize to engage in a kind of decent to demonstrate decency with regards to people who are different from you if somehow a sign of weakness when in fact what it becomes is justification for violin harmful and hurtful remarks and what's interesting about synthesis via hyde-smith here there's a tendency Stephanie for people to play fast and loose with my our dead with black people's dead it's not like lynching is an ancient practice their folks are walking in Mississippi right now who have relatives who were lynched who have people who have dead people because of that violent ritual of American of the American South that Mississippi was excellent at so it was real was crude it wasn't just simply an exaggerated expression of public regard it was crude insensitivity it was harmful it was ugly and and I think she needs to go down to Bryan Stevens's Museum over in Birmingham and get a sense of the depth of violence and violence of that of that practice it's also not an expression senator translating this idea of hyper political correctness and what is common decency and what concerns me is she didn't really apologize she said don't turn this into something negative and and she brushed it aside attempt to what does it say that she doesn't believe she will pay a political or ethical price it's as though there's no shame well first of all she's either as just suggested incredibly insensitive where she's an idiot my kids would be thrown out of school but my son would be expelled from school if he suggested something I've noted my caste all my adult life I served in the house with them first of all Mike I am so sorry that you and your family have to be part of a discussion where someone would have the audacity to raise lynching I get upset even saying this while you're trying to serve your country it it is beyond the pale and I've tried to think it's an italian-american what someone could have said to me that would have been as offensive to me and my family there isn't anything there is anything it would like being in a race as a Jewish American and having a Holocaust denial if the history of this there's a wonderful new book out the warmth of another Sun if you if there's anyone left in America who doesn't know the history of lynching hard though it is to believe the public spectacles the thousands of people the people not not to not grown men lynch whole families thousands of people who gather to celebrate the deaths you grew up in Mississippi you want to serving the United States Senate and you didn't know this history it is impossible anyway Mike I'm sorry if I'm sorry you have to endure it Cindy I may feel no shame but I've shame you ma'am I got to ask you about this Eddie this story I didn't want to believe it it is making headlines and it is yet another example of the deterioration of norms please look at this picture a Wisconsin School District is investigating after a photo of what appears to be a group of mostly white male students holding up a Nazi salute this image went viral this is 2018 Eddie when I saw this for the first time last night I'm a fool I'm naive I didn't want to believe it was true my husband I looked at it I looked at it upside down I looked at it backwards I looked at pictures of my sons dabbing with their friends saying maybe I'm confused but I'm not this is 2018 there were parents of these kids taking that picture how concerned are you that this is where we are Stephanie there's so much ugliness in our country right now so much disregard for the humanity of others it begins at the top but it doesn't start there it he's just an exaggerated indication of the ugliness that's in us those those are those are children young men engaging in the Nazis by the way let's remember those are children who are not so hating and so part of what we're standing at the precipice this is a crisis moment a unique inflection point the nation will have to decide whether or not it's going to be racist or not these aren't these aren't outlier Stephanie these aren't you know individual monsters these are our children this is us we have to decide whether or not we're going to be racist or not and that's not going to we can't hide anymore it's all out in the open you can't put this genie back in the bottle and so we're gonna have to decide who we're going to be who do we take ourselves to be and that decision is going to say that this has to be rooted in that is no longer acceptable and it must be banished once and for all from our body politic and until we do that we will see even more we will see even uglier things in the immediate future in even uglier even more vile things Stephanie on the immediate horizon because this is where we are right now mind you that politics is the ultimate consumer business it's the last great competitive industry in America it is consumer led when people do this and candidates say these things and they behave this way they're doing it because they have a market it isn't simply the candidates they know what they are doing people will respond to it that's the greater danger I'm gonna respond to it with love for all those boys in those pictures in that picture you're teenagers you have a chance to be better today be better tomorrow and we're gonna teach you to do that and I'm so sorry that your parents or your community and your school didn't but you have the chance to be great tomorrow and I believe in you hey there I'm Chris Hayes from MSNBC thanks for watching MSNBC on YouTube if you want to keep up to date with the videos we're putting out you can click subscribe just below me or click over on this list to see lots of other great videos

The Queen welcomes President Trump to Buckingham Palace


House Democrats Begin Public Hearings On Mueller Report | Velshi & Ruhle | MSNBC

welcome back I'm Stephanie ruhle House Democrats are not committing to impeachment proceedings but short of that they are doing everything they can to keep the President and Robert Muller's report in public eye this week that includes two congressional hearings and a full house vote on whether to hold Attorney General William Bar and former White House Counsel Don Magan it's civil contempt first up a hearing in the Judiciary Committee that will feature testimony from John Dean President Nixon's White House Counsel who testified against his former boss during the Watergate hearings back in 1973 Joyce maths is a former US attorney and professor at the University of Alabama law school and she will also be testifying in this afternoon's hearing also joining the conversation Matt Miller a former chief spokesperson for the Justice Department Joyce obviously we should note you are an MSNBC contributor but you are testifying on your own today as a former US Attorney with a whole lot of expertise what can you tell us about your testimony and why you think this hearing is going to be so valuable it's an interesting hearing Stephanie because today when we testify and I'll be there with my former colleague barb McQuaid who is the US attorney in Detroit Michigan when I was the US Attorney in Alabama and we're there not because we have personal political views but we're there to lend our expertise as prosecutors and talk with the committee about how prosecutors evaluate evidence in an investigation and how they compare that and analyze it in light of the legal standards the elements you have to prove in order to establish a crime and and how we would make charging decisions given the the body of evidence that the Moller report has compiled Matt John Dean is going to testify today yes he's an expert on what happened to Richard Nixon 40 years ago but what does he bring to the table because many people are saying it's odd he has nothing to do with this and Republicans of course are saying this is just political theater ignore it you know it's a fair question I don't know if you're a fan of all country music and know that old Charlie Robinson song you're not the best but you're the best that I can do but I think that's a little bit how I think of this hearing today which is not a slide against Joyce obvious she's the best in my book and this hearing is important but look the committee wanted to have a bunch of other witnesses by now they wanted to have Bob Muller before the committee they wanted to have Don began before the committee but they've been unable to get that done so I think what you see now is a two-track strategy so while they go to court to try to compel testimony from witnesses like Don McGann they're going to bring other witnesses like Joyce and John Dean and barb McQuaid who can come in and speak to what the Moller report shows which is pretty clear evidence that the cook the president committed obstruction of justice and a number of occasions most Americans don't know that I think the point of today's hearing is to bring experts in to explain that while the committee separately goes to court to try to get the witnesses from the Muller report compelled to appear then to that point Joyce these hearings are not fact-finding missions John Dean Barbara and yourself were not involved in this administration it seems more that they're simply trying to shine a spotlight and explain more to the American people most of whom have not read the report I think that's right Stephanie this is table setting this is helping people understand the context in which the events that the Moller report examined occurred and and Matt makes an important point and all acknowledge being the best that they can do because the real shame here is that folks who should have complied with subpoenas to appear in front of this committee because Congress has an article one oversight function to comply with the fact that those subpoenas have been essentially ignored is shameful it's a violation of the norms I know people get tired of hearing us talk about norms being violated but these are so essential to the functioning of our government hopefully the American people will begin to see that but here's the issue it's setting a table for those who are already at the table who believe that there is obstruction of justice who are going to be watching this saying hell yes but does it move the needle in any way Matt tomorrow you've got this houseboat does the vote make any difference because even if they agreed to hold bar and begin in contempt here's what gets me does any of it matter when is it going to happen in my little mind I would think subpoenas and being held in contempt would actually cost you something well look I think you're seeing the committee there they're always kind of two things in congressional oversight one is try to move the needle needle on public opinion and I don't know that a contempt vote does that and I think that could the house may actually not hold the two of them in contempt but the other thing that's going to happen on the floor is a very separate second piece of it which is authorize the committees to go to court so while moving that you that may in itself not move the needle on public opinion it gives the committee's the ability to go to court and try to enforce these subpoenas you know I think you've seen as Joyce said a bunch of witnesses just kind of flagrantly thumb their nose at the committee's lawful exercise of their constitutional authority and so what they're what Congress is being forced to do what the house is being forced to do is go to court and what what that vote in the house did we'll do tomorrow is give the committee's a chance to be able to do that more quick so it gives not just the G okay but Intel and banking and all the others who are seeing witnesses from inside out the and outside administration's just completely Stonewall the chance to try to break down that wall hey there I'm Chris Hayes from MSNBC thanks for watching MSNBC on YouTube if you want to keep up to date with the videos we're putting out you can click subscribe just below me or click over on this list to see lots of other great videos

Beto Accidentally Proves He Should STOP Running For President

here's someone else who I think is having just a little bit of trouble of dealing with certain realities and there are now it appears to be greater calls not quite institutional but greater calls within the Democratic Party for various candidates who clearly have not caught fire and don't look to be catching fire in the presidential elections to maybe go back to their home states and at the very least run in the Senate and the very least poll resources why whether it's Colorado or Texas a couple other states the idea of a formidable candidate jumping into the race now is going to pull a lot of resources from Republicans and capturing the Senate is hugely important it's going to be very difficult to do it's unlikely but it's not impossible but here's Beto trying to respond and we're in 2.0 now territory right or are we in two point five territory we're past 2.0 where it could be a two point five we could be a 3.0 soon beto 3.0 where he is talking about why it it appears he hasn't caught fire but sometimes appearances can be deceptive it's just he used the wrong example look there is a lot of time before the Iowa caucus we've never been guided by a poll before if you were to look at the Texas Senate race the first couple months after we were in no poll was going to say that we were to win that when I first ran for for Congress in 2012 against an incumbent and against some very long odds no poll at any point said that we were going to win and yep yet we did and if I well here's the problem with that of course he didn't win the Senate race so those polls were accurate but he also entered into the Senate race two years before the election right I mean the general election and he's only now what are we six six months out less from the Iowa caucus here is better O'Rourke in Knoxville Iowa being introduced by a local Democrat from Dave Wagle calls him quote a blank slate waiting to be filled by our hopes and dreams man we solved text you know I really try to keep it together here this has been very humiliating it is not gone according to my delusions of grandeur and when you say what is subtext and make it text it has a tendency to look make certain people look very badly oh the further this goes the more I want to just eat bait oh if you want to come over and cry a little bit and listen to the cure with me my door is always open I'm saying I can't get over the fact that this is a mixed metaphor a blank slate waiting to be filled you don't feel it's going to like it it's just gonna drip on the sides you shouldn t be like a bucket waiting to be filled by our hopes and dreams or a blank slate willing to be drawn upon or projected or you know and if we can just use placeholder text for the actual text that we use in our introductions we can save a lot of time we could have we don't give Dave Weigel the opportunity to humiliate me that way which would be great this wasn't what I envy when I was on vanity fair a couple of months ago here's what I want to say no introduction you do it you do it in your head think of what you want that's the way my introduction goes in your head okay so Who am I you tell me in fact that's how we're gonna get everyone involved in this what a call on you and you're gonna tell me who I am I was never that I did not think this was gonna happen I go to the Senate running the Senate buddy running the Senate can't don't like him better than people judge run in the Senate yeah run for the Senate bro sorry I honestly like I read a week oh I read that Vanity Fair piece I was like I really want to like this guy but when you get to the issue part it was always sort of like whoa we're still working on that I read that Vanity Fair piece and I thought wow what an asshole he's gonna be crying like a baby in my arms in no time I was born to do this to nationally humiliate myself and then be comforted by a left-wing podcast host that was the purpose of this campaign joke mama knows California has

Vice President Mike Pence On Pride Flag At Embassies: I Support ‘One Flag Should Fly’ | NBC News

it is Pride Month did the administration direct US embassies not to fly the pride flag I'm aware of that the State Department indicated that on the flagpole of our American embassies that one flag should fly and that's the American flag and I support that to the LGBTQ community who feels as though that runs counter to the president celebrating Pride Month in his tweet well as the president said on the night we were elected we're proud to be able to serve every American and and we both feel that way very passionately but when it comes to the American flag pole at American embassies in capitals around the world having the one American flag fly I think is the right decision and we put no restrictions on displaying any other flags or any other any other displays at our embassies beyond that hae-in see news viewers thanks for checking out our YouTube channel subscribe by clicking on that button down here and click on any of the videos over here to watch the latest interviews show highlights and digital exclusives thanks for watching